April 10, 2025 • 45 mins
Jason and Rosie break out of prison to recap the penultimate episode of Daredevil: Born Again season one. Matt Murdock is up to his usual shenanigans, and Kingpin makes a triumphant return as things get heated on the dance floor.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Warning.
Speaker 2 (00:00):
Today's episode contained spoilers for episode eight of Daredevil Born
in on Disney plus The Isle of Joy.
Speaker 1 (00:06):
Be warned.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
Hello, it was Jesson's and I am Kissden.
Speaker 4 (00:27):
No, I'm Rosy, I'm Rosey Nights, I'm Rothy And.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Welcome back to Extra Vision of the podcast where we
dive deep to your favorite shows, movies, comics and pop culture.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
Coming from my Art podcast where we'll.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Bringing you three huge episodes week Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday plus News.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
And in today's episode, Matt Scott had a professionally concerned
which honestly she should have been earlier.
Speaker 4 (00:49):
Bos I escapes by the skin of his tooth.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
And and Vanessa and Wilson got some saucy splaining to do.
Speaker 4 (00:58):
Wow, what an episode, Rosie.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
This show continues to be very comic bookie and silly
in the way of comic bookie and soapy the way
a comic book story is. And this was a very
fun episode that continues with a lot of the themes
and kind of tone and feel of the previous episode.
And I can't wait to talk about it. So we
open in Rikers, where the secure wing of Rikers, where
(01:25):
Bullseye is pensively a lot of staring out of windows
from the bad guys, and this sho we.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
Should do an X ray vision super cut where it's
just people staring out of windows, staring out at he
loves to look out of a window.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
He can't even he can't.
Speaker 4 (01:43):
I don't believe it.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
So you know, Bullseye's out there, he's looking out the
window of his isolation cell at an inmate out there,
like smelling a blue flower. And then the guards arrive
and Bullseye is shackled and told you know when he's like,
where am I going? You're going to general population aka
gen pop or lots of inmates want to kill you.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
Okay, but why this is why I want to know.
Why do they want to kill him?
Speaker 1 (02:12):
Because like he because it's like a it's like a trophy.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
It's like I don't know, I feel like because he's
not like an ex cop or something, he would be
much lower.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
Down on the or like fed.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
He okay, he was actually a fed back in the day. Yeah,
they want to kill him. I understanding, Pops bad.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
We go to we go to Red Hook where the
Fisks are strolling through the through the Fisks upcoming project
Red Hook project construction site.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
He loves the ports.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
He's thinking, Nassawa, I never got the opportunity to thank
you for everything you did for the organization where I was.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
Away, and all of this is because of you.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
All the funding that I was able to get was
because of your ideas.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
And your plans.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
And she's like, well, you know, why'd you throw it
all away to become mayor And he's like, no, you
don't understand. I'm combining the office of mayor with what
we were doing before to make this whole new like legal, illegal,
organized crime government thing. Like it's gonna be great, and
(03:25):
the Red Hook Project is a part of that.
Speaker 4 (03:27):
I also like the way that he's like, these are.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
Two of the most top criminals in New York and
he has to explain to how, like, Babe, there's a
lot of corruption in the New York Mayor's office, Like
we can really be doing something. Yeah, like this is
an opportunity for us.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
They then talk about Luca, and it is clear that
Vanessa did, in fact, not that Fisk knew that Luca
was coming to kill him, but she essentially seemed like
set Luca up to die by sending him to where
Fisk was knowing that there was no way that he
would ever vibe that, Luca, I mean.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
And then Fiskus like, well, you know, thank you, I
have something to show you.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
And so we wonder what that might. Then we go
to uh, Heather and Matt at the apartment. Heather is
obviously still struggling with the emotions from the attack and
from her having to gun down Muse, and she's also like,
and by the way, this is what we were right,
because here is that conversation that we knew it was
(04:27):
coming at some point where she's like, you know, the
thing with these masked guys, first of all, they don't
even do anything. Daredevil didn't even do it. I killed mus.
Daredevil was just there running about in his little onesie
pgs like a little boy. Him and Muse like a
little little little boys pretending to be the superheroes or
(04:49):
something grown men. But the acting like little boys. That's
all these masked figures are. And Matt is like, yeah,
but Daredevil's cool.
Speaker 4 (04:56):
He came in, you didn't he And She's like, I
joll he.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
Came in, I killeds.
Speaker 4 (05:02):
What did he do?
Speaker 2 (05:04):
Then Buck shows up at the door and is like,
speak to Heather please, and that gives her a letter
which is congratulates her on killing must get from there,
and then invites her, along with a guest plus one
(05:26):
the inaugural Yeah to to Wilson fiskes mayor Fisk's inaugural
Black and White Ball. And Matt is like, wait, how
do you know Fisk? And He's like, wait a second,
are you Fisk's therapist?
Speaker 3 (05:40):
What?
Speaker 4 (05:42):
Dude?
Speaker 3 (05:42):
They used two I just have to say, they gotta
have a theyve got to have a more honest relationship
between the two of them.
Speaker 4 (05:48):
This is she's keeping he's keeping secrets. It's bad time.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
Yeah, but that's she has to do that, you know. Yeah, Ethically,
she can't just talk about who her clients.
Speaker 4 (05:59):
If he had told her.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
What Fisk really was and that he was their devil,
she would have been able to go into that with
more context. But he kept it from her. So now
she is Wilson Fist married therapist, which is incredible.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
You ever run into your therapist in the wild, it's
the worst.
Speaker 4 (06:16):
You don't want to see it.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
You're like, it's the worst.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
It's just like it's happened a couple of times, and
I literally just freeze up, like, oh my god. So
the thing that Wilson wants to show Vanessa is Adam.
Apparently Wilson at some point transported Adam to Red Hook.
Speaker 4 (06:34):
Is that what happened the basement?
Speaker 3 (06:36):
I claim back in the basement because he was, But
it does feel like he's like, I got something to
show you, and they're just strolling around.
Speaker 4 (06:44):
So I think it's wherever the basement is.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
I think Adam is in the basement and he's got
a bid. He's looking very cast away, very Tom Hanks's
looking very tough.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
It's very sang well for him.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
Yeah, it's uh, it's really really it's very count of
Monte Cristo.
Speaker 4 (07:01):
But before the escape.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
Ye, escape never happens.
Speaker 4 (07:04):
The escape never happens for this man.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
I'm sorry to tell you so.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
Fiscus talking about how he's like, you know, every time
I look at at him, his hands, his artist's hands.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
Oh, I becoming rang. He just starts going.
Speaker 4 (07:25):
He's like like, She's like, I kept my promise, Vanessa.
I never killed him. I will never kill him.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
It's like, okay, bro, but you did keep him as
a Let's roll back the tape. I think there's a
significant amount of space between what you promised and like.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
The spirit of the promise regardless. Yes, He then says,
I mean this is Fisk channeling Shakespeare's Sonnets. He then says,
if I can't be with you, Vanessa, I cannot.
Speaker 4 (07:54):
Be Wow Wow top ten MCU relationship.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
Meanwhile, Adam is like, of course, begging for his life.
You know, if you let me go, I'll never tell
anybody about this. Just let me out, YadA, YadA YadA.
Matt and Heather, meanwhile, are continuing to argue. Matt is like, listen,
I can't tell you how I know this, but Fisk
is using you to get to me, which must sound
insane at this point.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
Heaven must be so sick of this man, like he
is so fuck he seems so self centered.
Speaker 4 (08:29):
If you don't what kind.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
Of main character bullshit is this? He wants me to
get to you why?
Speaker 3 (08:34):
He's like, what do you mean the mayor? Who is
my marriage therapy client? He wants to get to you.
A random Moyer like what do you two have against
each other?
Speaker 4 (08:43):
Oh? I feel like you should let her know, Matthew, yes.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
And then she's like, well, how is me treating the
mayor like anything but a great career? Move for me,
and then she's like, and if you're so worried about it,
why don't you come to the ball with me?
Speaker 1 (08:58):
And he's like, fine, Okay, you know what, Fine, I'll go. Okay.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
Like she's like, she's like, please, don't come just to
like fuck with the me though, and.
Speaker 4 (09:07):
He's like, no, I'll just come. Don't worry will happen.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
Back at the cage, gunshots ring out, Vanessa guns down Adam,
and then Wilson Fisk bricks up. Vanessa looks at him
like hearts pounding out of.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
Her eyes and no.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
For the next three hours they are engaged in the
most heated coitus in front of the cage containing Adam's corpse.
Speaker 4 (09:36):
Dude, they were hot.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
These were they freaks, but you know what, they match
each other's freak and I.
Speaker 4 (09:44):
Love as the few are. I thought this was a
great twist.
Speaker 3 (09:49):
I wasn't one hundred percent sure where they were going
to go with the reveal and whether it would break
things between Vanessa and Fisk or whether it would become
part of the kind of weird, flirtatious, grotesque dance.
Speaker 4 (10:03):
That they play.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
But I think it's really fun and I also love
the way that this episode, like so many of the
best episodes of the show, are about the reflections between
Fisk and yeah, Matt and now Matt's relationship with Heather
and Fisk's relationship with Vanessa, and I like that, Like
Matt and Heather are still in the withholding phase, but
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there is like, yes this, you know we're gonna go
to this ball together. You can keep an eye on me,
like we can see what's going to happen. But Fisk
and Minessa is so far ahead that they're at They're
like murdering their enemies and fucking in the blood stage,
and you're just like, you know what, Matt and Heather,
you're doing okay? In the grand scheam of things, Like
in the Grand Schemer.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
Matt is late to the office as usual. I mean,
just be happy this guy went to work today.
Speaker 4 (10:47):
Has he ever gone to work? I bus said, how
much has he clocked in? I'm like, get Charlie Cox
on the phone.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
We need to know he's gotta go. He's gotta be
there three hours a week max.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
He is no work, like just like help one client, bro,
like one client please please?
Speaker 1 (11:05):
He goes in.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
Kirsten is like, where the fuck have you been. Why
are you all beat up? What's going on? She then
like updates him on a case that's going on there.
The other the law firm that they're arguing against is
withholding discovery evidence and financial statements. Doesn't want them to
look at them. Christen then is like, listen, I also
(11:26):
have some other news and I don't want you to
fucking flip out, but you're going to flip out. He's
like what Bullseye is moved to gen Pop. He's like, wait,
why would they do that? And then she drops the
hammer because Wilson Fisk apparently the mayor demanded that he
go to gen Pop.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
Oh, no, one knows.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
Let's go to a quick ad break and then we'll
be right back to can you Discovery?
Speaker 1 (12:09):
And we're back.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
So man Is Matt is upset about the fact that
Bulls has been moved to jen Pop, but what does
it mean? Meanwhile, Fisk is in his office, he meets
with his team. Sheila is like, Mayor Fisk, it's time
to start getting the money together. I need you at
some campaign events today. But Fisk is, this is a
(12:30):
crazy move from Fisk. He then goes down. He's not
cancel all by cancel all by campaign boy butts today
we celebrate our successes.
Speaker 3 (12:40):
What he's just done that he's gotten the glow, the
off the glow. He's like feeling yeah right, He's like,
I want to have a party where I can dance
with my wife who killed her boyfriend just for me.
Speaker 4 (12:53):
That's what we're doing today, guys.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
Yeah, that's that is so true. That's got to be.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
I mean, Daniel must be like, hey, boss, you're really
glowing today. Boss, you're looking good about you. You look good,
you look look you were fifteen pounds today.
Speaker 4 (13:09):
He claims. He's like Vigili Lanty crime is down thirty percent.
What does that even mean?
Speaker 3 (13:15):
I will say, look, if I have one critique show, yeah,
just like the out of the three fucking vigilantes they
have on this show, I will say I think that
is the only thing that I would say this show.
Speaker 4 (13:29):
You can sense his missing from whatever the recuts. I
love most of this show.
Speaker 3 (13:33):
I think for me, it has been just a step
above what I was expecting. And the writing is fantastic
that obviously the acting is incredible, but I do think
the vigilante crime but like we're barely seeing any vigilantes
is quite hilarious.
Speaker 4 (13:48):
So I like that. Yeah, I like that.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
Read He's like Vigilanti crimes down, muses dead White, Tiger's dead,
only like one more to.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
Go, let's party. This is a successful quarter for us.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
Then he shocks everyone by naming Daniel Deputy Mayor of Communications. Sheila,
who's been in politics like thirty years or whatever, is
like what this is and she does the move where
she's like, Daniel, no offense and turns to physically like
and it's like Daniel can't do.
Speaker 4 (14:17):
This, eating alive.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
But the city council burke like, come on, but this
is also again I think we were talking on our
Prestige TV episode and what is Prestige TV?
Speaker 4 (14:28):
And what era are we in.
Speaker 3 (14:29):
About how there is this kind of delayed response to
real life situations like the pit being a response to
COVID and it coming out now. But this show with
the Daniel character managed to presciently look at what it's
like when a high power politician just fills his ranks
(14:51):
with a bunch of people who have never done a
job before.
Speaker 4 (14:53):
And guess what it actually is?
Speaker 3 (14:55):
This easy, It is this easy to just put a
siven and be like, hey, this guy likes me.
Speaker 4 (15:00):
He's in charge now.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
He's the In fact, Daniel isn't just a young and
eager lieutenant, he.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
Is he's the future of the city. What the fuck
does that means?
Speaker 3 (15:11):
Like some creepy I guess his dream is like white
Mafiosa esque Maga kids are gonna be the next big thing, sure, bro.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
Daniel then like drops to his knees and kissing the
boot ring and yeah, boot kissing the boot pledging everlasting
loyalty to Wilson, which we've heard that before.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
We got it, Daniel, I'll burn festival.
Speaker 3 (15:33):
Is that some kind of foreshadowing that he's gonna get
burnt alive?
Speaker 4 (15:36):
I think his season comes to the end.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
I feel like I like him getting killed or or
or you know, hideously burned.
Speaker 3 (15:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
We go back to Eminem and Matt hates his client.
He's Matt's.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
This client that they have that paid them good money
is a piece of shit, apparently, and Matt just doesn't
take He's been sitting in on this deposition or meeting
or whatever it is for like ten minutes and he's already.
Speaker 3 (16:06):
That Kirston's obviously done prepping this guy.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
He's getting very frustrated at having to be at his
job for like close to thirty minutes, and he's starting
to like get really annoyed. He can tell the guy
is lying about like defrauding New York City teachers.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
So matt flips.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
Out and he's like, well, I'll have you know that,
according to Law Code two oh five dash A, lawyers
can't knowingly perjure themselves.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
And he's like, what are you talking about? It's like
you're lying.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
And if I know you're lying, how can I go
up there in court and argue what I know to
be lies?
Speaker 1 (16:41):
And Christ is like, no, what are you talking about?
Speaker 4 (16:44):
Not on law?
Speaker 3 (16:45):
Like this weird idea that there's some kind of law
that a lawyer like can't represent ala. No, then all,
like all court cases would be stopped because one side
is not telling the truth, Matthew. And also, I don't
think it's like a MISSI ballink caught that. He's like, well,
I could hear with my super his heartbeat.
Speaker 4 (17:04):
Maybe you just stressed him out because you look, I'm
not gonna lie. This guy clearly did steal the money.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
And he also then mentions that his mom is a teacher,
his sister is a teacher. His wife's a teacher, so
he stole it because he knew how to steal it.
He is a scumbag, But Matthew, just generally you can't
walk into a room and start yelling at someone and no,
I expect that you don't know what's going on.
Speaker 4 (17:28):
Why was he Maybe he was defording it for a
good reason. Why don't you ask him?
Speaker 2 (17:32):
All I know is, Matt, you don't come to work,
and when you come into work, you shit on our
paying clients and then walk away. So Christian is like,
what are you talking about? I'm worried about your acting
fucking crazy, and then Matt says some overwrought shit like
this is also feudle, like fighting for law and.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
Justice, and then he leaves and he's probably been at
work for forty.
Speaker 3 (17:55):
Five mates Max Max before leaving. I look, I am
a kissed in mcduffy fan. I like this character. I
want to see her in more. I don't think she's
just a Karen replacement. I think she's a or a
Foggy replacement. I think she's an interesting character I want
to know more about. But also guys like, let me
know more about her and also have her just tell
(18:17):
Matt to go fuck himself, like she's running this law
firm by herself. She doesn't need him or Cherry. He
needs to just go on to I mean, with the
spoiler earmuffs if you don't like tear about leaks, but
with the suit leaks that we have seen coming up,
we can assume that this season is gonna end with
Matt being out on the outs by himself, maybe faked
(18:40):
his own death, maybe something like that, or at least
that's where season two will find him because he's wearing
the black suit. So I would be interested to see
if she interest does boot him out, but we'll see
she should because he is annoying as hell when it
comes to his job.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
Matt then goes to a neighborhood favorite, Josie's Bar, which
has not reopened since Bull's Eye violent.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
Killed Foggy and yes inside the bar, but.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
Josie is there just hanging out, just drinking, and so
Matt is like day drinking with Josie.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
Cherry arrives.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
Kirsten sent him to keep track of Matt because she
was probably like Cherry, Matt's acting like a wild man,
you gotta go.
Speaker 4 (19:20):
And he's like he's probably day drinking instead of being.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
A US, which is true, and.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
Matt starts to think, you know, there's something else going
on because the you know, with Bullseye being moved and
Foggy's death not really making sense, it's all connected somehow.
And then it all comes together when Josie comes out
with this specific bottle of Irish whiskey, Oh Melvinies and
says that Foggy, this is what Foggy was drinking on
(19:48):
the night he was killed, and this makes Matt realize
that Foggy was celebrating something, some kind of break in
his case that he had, and that must have been
why he was killed, because he was about to win
some huge case. Matt then goes to see Bullseye and
writers asks bullsey if did you kill Foggy because Fisk
(20:11):
hired you? Poindexter is just being super weird, making like
various philosophical statements and saying, you know, I have questions
too about like what happened, And then Matt again is like,
did you kill Foggy because Fitsk hired you to?
Speaker 1 (20:26):
And Bullsay is like, I'll tell you, but I.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
Need to get out first, and then Matt's like, okay, whatever,
it bashes his head into the table and leaves.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
We go to the Black and White Ball. Daniel is riding.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
High at the Black and White Ball. He sees Bebe,
which continues to be one of the craziest relationships in
this show.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
He sees Bbe, who.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
He clearly like, I think that there's on one level,
he sees Bebe as like, we're these two young New
Yorkers on the come up.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
You know, we're we're ascendant right now, And isn't this awesome?
Isn't this cool? Like look at us?
Speaker 3 (21:06):
And I think in his mind he definitely imagines like, oh,
she could be my Vanessa, Like look at us, We've
got this connector is also he likes her.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
He likes you definitely, So he apologizes for pushing her
to like report lies in the BB report regarding the
muse in the task Force.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
He then tells her and by the hey.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
And but I'm now you're talking as a Deputy may
As the coms now, it's not crazy, baby, and the
kind of he's like flexing and he's like, look at
us well on the way to the top, BB Yerika
BB Report, I'm the Deputy may As.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
The power couple, look at us.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
Meanwhile, across the across the ballroom, Jack Duquane, the Swordsman,
he is talking to Artemis Sledge, the you know her
and Arthur Sledge or this socialite New York, very very
wealthy couple met previously, and they both supposedly hate Fisks.
So Jack is like, look at us here, two people
(22:06):
that hate fisk, Why are we here? But Artemis is
like weirdly preoccupied about something. She's like clearly has a
lot of stuff on her mind. She kind of wanders off,
and this raises Jack's suspicions a little bit.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
Something's off.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
Heather is there looking around waiting for Matt, looking great,
her hair looking great, looking wonderfully done up for this
ball and she's clearly like frustrated and fuming because Matt
said he would be there and he's not there. And
then all of a sudden, like the lights drop and
you hear like the Chicago Bulls theme music, and the
(22:40):
voice gets on that na Mare and first lady, what's
that that Vanessa Fisk?
Speaker 1 (22:45):
And they play this crazy like.
Speaker 4 (22:49):
The most evil milling song of old.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
Yeah, like sounds like it truly sounds like you're riding
into Mordor with this fucking music.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
And let's take a quick break and come.
Speaker 3 (23:03):
Back in second.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
And we're back.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
Meanwhile, of course, guess what Bullseye breaks out of prison?
Speaker 4 (23:24):
How does he do it? Though?
Speaker 3 (23:25):
Jay thinks this is straight from the coll mix and
I love it.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
It is really great.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
So apparently when Matt bashed his head, he loosened a tooth, yes,
which which Bullseye then goes to the dentist to like,
uh world, to the doctor to have like stitches done
in his head from when he's his head bashed, But
that tooth is loose, and so while he's sitting there
manacled to the chair, he sucks the tooth out of
(23:50):
his out of his h gum, I guess the gum
hole which crazy suction from Ben Point Dexter didn't know
he had that kind of talent as well. Then he
spits the tooth into the guard's eye, blinding him and
then immediately escapes, gets all like the little like scalpels
(24:13):
and shit and just starts killing everybody.
Speaker 4 (24:15):
Yeah, he's done it, he's out. He's done it in
the comics.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
Like in some really crazy times, like he did it
in a Captain America book.
Speaker 4 (24:22):
He killed someone with his tooth.
Speaker 3 (24:24):
He's done it obviously in dat evil like this man,
he loves to do a crazy killing. In fact, I
was thinking today about one of the wildest parts of
the law is that he.
Speaker 4 (24:36):
In prison, like they would have to like.
Speaker 3 (24:38):
Give him stool softeners so he didn't kill people with
his poop, so he didn't just be pooping out bullets.
Speaker 4 (24:43):
Like come on, man, like this guy is a crazy guy.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
This is he the most overpowered guy in the Marvel
universe with this tooth bullet that, by the way, killed
multiple people. Okay, I do have to bring this up,
big conversation in the discord.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
Yeah, I think that.
Speaker 4 (24:59):
I agree with you and Joel on this now.
Speaker 3 (25:00):
But the disc or conversation was, did Matt Murdock know
that by smashing Bullseye's face on.
Speaker 4 (25:09):
The table he was going to end up escaping and
trying to kill fist?
Speaker 1 (25:12):
No way, no way he did that out of pure aim.
Speaker 3 (25:15):
I don't think so, simply because of the nature of
how many people bulls I killed when he got out
of prison, and Matt could not make that good with himself.
Speaker 4 (25:26):
I don't believe.
Speaker 3 (25:27):
But I understand why it feels ambiguous when you know
bulls eye immediately says thank you, counselor, and doesn't make
any you know, argument that he didn't just randomly smash
his face against the table, which is what Matt.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
And this is just Matt out of control.
Speaker 3 (25:43):
Yeah, this is just classic like a violence against imprison people.
Matt is not new in doing this, but I do
like out. I do think you make a great statement.
I think Matt is out of control at this point.
His session with Wilson and the death of Foggy is
making him lose any kind of moral center that he had,
which has always been kind of blarry for him. And
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I actually think it makes a very very interesting dad
devil kind of interpretation. Then what we often see with
the kind of guilt ridden Matt, like he will be
guilty about this at some point, but right now he's
just on that quest for revenge.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
We go back to the ball.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
Vanessa comes up to Heather and he's like, thank you
for all your help with me and Wilson, and that
was great, and they have some small talk and then
she goes off, and then we look over and the music,
the carmina burana like choral music starts up again, and
who is it? But Matt entering the black and white ball,
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He's got his keen to complete the look, and he's like,
apparently can he's heading right for Wilson. I don't know
what Heather thinks is like is he going by smell
directly towards Wilson?
Speaker 1 (26:58):
Like how is he doing?
Speaker 4 (27:00):
I just think this guy's putting it on.
Speaker 3 (27:01):
Like he's like navigating a dance floor with a question,
is Matt Madow blind? Like does the through the powers
you have mean that he isn't blind? Like it's very controversial,
and yeah, I am intrigued to see what happens next.
But come on, Matthew, you are not doing a good
job a pretending anymore.
Speaker 2 (27:23):
Then this is the guy who said, yeah, I just
bump into stuff all the time to the point that
I'm like bleeding and bruised. And then you watch him
like navigate a dance floor at a at a party. Anyway,
Heather like intercepts him and she's steamed.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
Where were you? Why didn't you tell I thought you
were coming?
Speaker 2 (27:44):
And then you don't show up And then he's like,
well I was I was just yeah, I'm here now.
And by the way, I was just randomly visiting Bullseye
at Rikers.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
She's like, what what? What's what? Why do you you
don't call?
Speaker 2 (27:59):
You show up whenever you want, and then when you
show up you have the craziest stories about what's been
going on.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
Matt.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
Then hears Dukane chatting with Fisk, and as he's supposed
to be having this like very serious, really serious conversation
with Heather about their relationship, he starts listening into that conversation.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
So she's like, you're not even listening to me.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
This infuriates her, which, by the way, she's gonna be
used to it at this point because this man is
always snooping on someone with his superhering like you know, yes,
that'll be He's like eating her out in the New
York offist and then he's hearing like an old lady
get mugged and he's like.
Speaker 4 (28:35):
Oh, I gotta go outside. I got through this, like ah.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
Fisk and Ducane then go off and they discuss Red
Hook and Fisk basically shakes Ducane down for money.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
It was like, you know, uh need money for that project,
and it'd be a shame if it was to come out.
The doctor Kaine was.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
The swordsman like he basically says, like, I know you're
the swordsman, and the task force will come after you
unless you like write a chat.
Speaker 3 (29:01):
I love this, but like in the context of what
we've seen of the swordsman, like he's just like a
good step dad who's also like helping out with some swordwright.
Speaker 4 (29:10):
This man is not like a well known vigilante wilst
the face.
Speaker 3 (29:12):
But I love that in the context of you know,
his wife being arrested as like mirror mask or whatever,
like now he is like he would be worried about that,
So I like this. I also like this is a
great example of what I think this show does well.
Even in the silliest kind of big swing moments or
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the wild kind of set pieces like the Black and
White Ball, it shows that Wilson is not a moral person,
which a lot of times he claims that there is
this moral quest against vigilantes, but really that's just the
oppressed class that he is choosing to oppress to make
it seem like he's doing something. And it's funny because
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here we see that actually, if you're a rich vigilante,
he'll just ask you for money. He's not gonna put
you in prison. And you're gonna try to kill He'll
just extaught you.
Speaker 4 (30:02):
So that's different. Last to it, like he doesn't.
Speaker 3 (30:04):
Really care if Swordsman isn't a bit gilante. He just
has if he's getting money from Swordsman.
Speaker 1 (30:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
Meanwhile, Task Force guys are all over the place, all
over this ball. They are like basically Wilson's pretorian guard.
Speaker 3 (30:17):
At this point, they are acting up too, like really
crazy shit.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
Dirty Cop Powell sees a waiter take a phone pick
of the ball and so they snatch him off the
floor and they're getting ready to maybe kill this guy.
Speaker 4 (30:35):
Like yeah, he's just having fun.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
At this point, when Chief Gallow comes down, it is
like you stop that.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
I'm gonna have you prosecuted for assault.
Speaker 2 (30:44):
And Pal's like, wait, that's we didn't even do anything
this you want to see assault and then puts this
guy's hand in the fry like what the fuck?
Speaker 1 (30:51):
Like no, and Gallo is like holy shit, like did
you just do that in front of me?
Speaker 2 (30:58):
And then next thing you know, there's like a the
other Task Force guys in the hall and Gallo realizes
like he has to back down, like this is they're
out of control and this is actually unsafe for me
right now.
Speaker 4 (31:09):
They say Tim as well, like we don't work for you,
like it's done, like in.
Speaker 3 (31:14):
Case you are we are not like cops under the
guys of the NYPD anymore.
Speaker 4 (31:20):
We are you know, Wilson fisks m YPD.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
That's right.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
Daniel and BB are still having their conversation. BIB is wondering,
you know, which I think is like an important thing
to think about for BB if she's lost her journalistic
perspective because of the proximity to power that Daniel provides, Like,
am I getting too close to them?
Speaker 4 (31:43):
We?
Speaker 2 (31:44):
You know, it's it's certainly good to think about, considering
what the conversation she's about to have with Gallo. She
sees Gallo and she starts grilling him about the Task Force.
He calls her out for going with Dan's version of
the MEWS story.
Speaker 1 (31:59):
Apparently she went.
Speaker 2 (31:59):
To print she published that the task Force took out
news and he's like, everybody knows that was dared, Well,
it was actually Heathery. Yeah, but it's but it's interesting
that Biebe actually did succumb to the pressure from Daniel,
and then Gallo calls her basically Fisk's propaganda, Like when
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did you become fisk propaganda minister? And she's like, oh, yeah,
when did you become the chief of the s S,
comparing Gallo to Himmler, which I think is a little Bobe,
that's a little fucking.
Speaker 3 (32:30):
St But he did come out uncle a minister of
propaganda off the one book post, so I think that
kind of that trading, that trading Bob's And.
Speaker 4 (32:40):
Also she she does know.
Speaker 3 (32:42):
That he agreed to be the head of this vigilanti
task force for most even though he didn't know.
Speaker 2 (32:47):
He's only yeah, he's the nominal heat. Certainly they don't
listen to him. But I think it's an important conversation
about like, can you if you were working for a
corrupt leader, is or any benefit to society as a
moral person to work for them and change trying them
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in order to try and keep them from going too far.
And I think that's how Gallo probably sees himself, like
I'm a check on Wilson just being crazy.
Speaker 3 (33:16):
But he's also the other hand realized after seeing someone
get their hand French Fried, he doesn't have that control anymore.
Speaker 2 (33:22):
He doesn't have the juice that's not working, and certainly
Bebe is coming to that realization now with Daniel's ascendency
and the fact that she's already crossed the journalistic line
in printing that mute stuff. Then uh, you know, they
start talking a little bit and Gallo's like, do you
know that Wilson Fisk killed your uncle? Shockingly, BB is
like yeah, I know that, which.
Speaker 3 (33:44):
I'm like, what no, no, no, no, no, I think this
Actually I love this twist because she's like, yeah, that's
why I'm here. And you see this difference between how
talking to Gallo and she's like, not everything I print
as under my real name. She's like, sure, I printed
that one story to make Daniel think I was on
his side, but like, if you ever want to print
something real like this is the you know, probably encryptied
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email that is not straight to BB.
Speaker 4 (34:07):
And we see that.
Speaker 3 (34:08):
Then I think BB is using Daniel to get closer
to Fisk to find out what happened to her uncle.
Speaker 4 (34:15):
And we get this great moment where after they.
Speaker 3 (34:17):
Agree to kind of team up in some vague way
that I'm sure we will find out, she puts on
this like huge smile and kind of bounces back to Daniel,
and I think that version of BB we've been seeing
is a mask to follow this revenge quest for her uncle.
Speaker 2 (34:35):
So they're teaming up. Meanwhile, Matt and Heather are still arguing.
He tells Heather that Fisk again. He's like, he hired
you to get to me, and she's like what.
Speaker 4 (34:46):
She's like, me, what you're talking about?
Speaker 1 (34:49):
They are? You know?
Speaker 2 (34:50):
The argument is getting more heated. Matt's like, I'm gonna
go talk to them. I'm not gonna confront him, and
Heather's like, I'm coming with you. But before they can
get there, the spotlight hits the Fisks and it's time
for the couples dance.
Speaker 1 (35:04):
This is an incredible moment. So Heather, who has been.
Speaker 2 (35:09):
Like furious rightfully with Matt, arguing heatedly with him, watches
as Matt goes, Okay, here goes the dance.
Speaker 1 (35:19):
We're gonna have.
Speaker 2 (35:20):
This is how we have to get close to them.
As we're gonna have to hit the dance floor, She's
like what.
Speaker 1 (35:24):
He folds up in a very like cool guy like way.
Speaker 2 (35:29):
Folds up his cane, drops it on a waiter's tray,
crazy as the waiter is like what, and then goes,
you're gonna have to lead And then proceeds to lead
her in a ballroom dance. And it's crazy because and
this is again comic accurate Matt, because Heather, who was
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just a second ago really furious at Matt, is all
of a sudden like the flush is coming back her vase.
She's just like, oh, yeah, I remember why I'm attracted
to you. Why does this work? Like why wnnoying?
Speaker 3 (36:03):
But it works on me, baby, And he's that dancing
and that kind of like it's very silly, kind of
I don't know about dancing all music guys like in
this sense, so apologies if it's wrong, but it's very
like passionate kind of salsa, like they're doing a classical
dance but there's a little flat to it, and they're
getting close.
Speaker 1 (36:22):
Yes and yeah, and.
Speaker 3 (36:23):
Then and then something something happens that will change the
way that Matt.
Speaker 4 (36:29):
Sees this situation.
Speaker 1 (36:31):
Meanwhile, Kingpin is like talking trash from the other side
of the room. It's like, fuck you man, and.
Speaker 4 (36:36):
He knows he can hear him.
Speaker 1 (36:37):
He's like, you fucking you could hear me. I know
you could hear me.
Speaker 2 (36:41):
I've your girlfriend is my therapist, Like I know you're
dressing up his Darnevil again, like, look at you chasing
me here. Just then, Buck Cashman gets a call telling
him that Bulls I escaped. He immediately informs Fisk. Matt
hears Vanessa tell Wilson that she is tell him something,
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and he realizes in that moment that it was Vanessa
who ordered to hit on Foggy.
Speaker 1 (37:10):
What a twist.
Speaker 4 (37:11):
What twist.
Speaker 3 (37:11):
But if you are of the mindset that Foggy's death
is not real, which I know many of you are hoping.
Speaker 1 (37:18):
I think it might not I do actually think it
might not be real.
Speaker 3 (37:22):
It is Vanessa fakes Foggy's death so that Matt cal Wilson.
Speaker 4 (37:29):
That's like her scheme.
Speaker 3 (37:31):
And I'm saying now that Vanessa is the one that
little easter egg that you call of the number of
the office being the same number of the episode where
you know, the issue where Matt kind of does where
this is revealed, And yeah, it's gonna be interesting because that.
Speaker 2 (37:47):
I truly cannot believe that we really might be going there,
and I was firmly against it until this and now
I'm like, you know what I might.
Speaker 1 (37:58):
See?
Speaker 3 (38:00):
This is a very this is comics. Uh yeah, Dead
of a Volume two ninety two. That's when you're kind
of seeing that Wilson, that Vanessa stees and uh yeah,
crazy crazy situation here that they revealed that.
Speaker 4 (38:13):
But I'm not surprised.
Speaker 3 (38:15):
She was the big boss at the time. It makes
sense she But why did she do it?
Speaker 2 (38:20):
That's what That's what I want to That's the question
we don't know. So Matt cuts in with Vanessa. He
asks hers straight out, why did you order Foggy's death?
And but before she can really answer, he hears like
the clacking of like the bolt of a sniper rifle.
He realizes someone's taking aim, and then Matt does the
most Matt fucking thing ever.
Speaker 1 (38:39):
This guy jumps in front.
Speaker 2 (38:41):
Of Wilson Fisk, takes the bullet in the shoulder, sets
the floor and is bleeding out as the weather like
you know, kneels over him, and then we go to
the credit.
Speaker 4 (38:51):
You know what. She is like so hot for him
in that moment.
Speaker 3 (38:54):
She's like, oh he did even though he's obsessed with
this guy, he saved his life.
Speaker 4 (38:58):
Like why is Matt like this?
Speaker 3 (39:01):
Like I think the true reason for me is like
this is a story just like Batman and the Joker
and every great villain and their you know, heroic counterpart.
This is really about the relationship between Wilson, Fisk and
Matt and I understand that also Matt is supposed to
not want to kill people and save people's lives because
he's a Catholic. But this man has absolutely just like
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beat the shit out of multiple people this season and
definitely giving people like severit CTE or like head traumas.
Speaker 4 (39:32):
So I don't know if I'm buying that.
Speaker 3 (39:34):
I think this is like in the moment he just
he would have potentially let Wilson get shot if he
hadn't just found out that Vanessa was the one who
killed Foggy, right, But also then he has this complex
moment where he's thinking, like, shit, I can stop the
man who killed my best friend from killing another person,
(39:55):
so I want to stop him, and he just, dude,
when he took that bullet, I was screaming at the TV,
like on multiple rewatches too.
Speaker 4 (40:02):
It just gets me every time. Such a good moment.
Speaker 2 (40:05):
I also love that Matt. Here's the thing about Matthew
Murdoch Daredevil. This guy never misses a game. He's not
like Joel Embiid or some of these other guys. He's
getting concussed, he's falling off of buildings, he's getting shot,
he's getting stabbed. He's like fighting Bullseye with eight knives
sticking out of his body.
Speaker 1 (40:25):
And I guarantee you.
Speaker 2 (40:27):
Tomorrow night he will be out there again somehow with
a bullet in his chest. Bett Murdock will be suiting
up as Daredbil. This guy just plays when it's game time.
He's yeah, he's getting up, he's doing it. We got
to find out about why how these.
Speaker 1 (40:48):
Why did she? Why is she? Why did Vanessa do this?
Speaker 3 (40:51):
Okayeah, biggest question because I either I think Bullseye is
I think Bullseye it took the shot at Wilson because
he feels like Wilson set him up.
Speaker 4 (41:02):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3 (41:03):
So like biggest questions going into the finale, why did
Vanessa do this? Is I am distinctly getting the flavor
that Matt is going to like team up with Gallo
and maybe bebe in some kind of like good I
don't like good cops, like at the end of The
Batman where it's like there are good cops too, So
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I feel like that could definitely happen because that hinting
that Gallo is going to be this kind of better
reflection of the police than the anti Vigilanti task Force.
Will Wilson feel like he owes Matt and the thing
for saving his life? Will that change their relationship?
Speaker 1 (41:43):
No way, I think of anything, he'll have less respect
for Matt.
Speaker 4 (41:49):
Yeah, like why didn't you just let him kill me?
Speaker 1 (41:51):
Like, why didn't you want to have had the chance?
That was it?
Speaker 2 (41:53):
You could have been got rid of me, And here
you are because you're absolutely stupid moral code. You saved
my life after everything that I've done, Like you are weak?
Speaker 1 (42:07):
Yeah, I think he loses complete respectful.
Speaker 5 (42:09):
Also, does Wilson and the season still as Maya or
do we see him make that transition to set up
season two.
Speaker 2 (42:22):
I don't know what it would take right now for
him to get torn down as Mayor. He's he's almost
doing everything out in the open.
Speaker 4 (42:32):
Yeah you know what I mean. Would he want to
step away from it and just be the kingpin?
Speaker 3 (42:36):
Or maybe the finale is him saying I am both,
like both exist, like I'm Kingpin Mayor of New York
or whatever.
Speaker 1 (42:46):
You know.
Speaker 2 (42:46):
I've been thinking about a lot about the born again element,
and I do think that this season is it's it
matches the overall kind of shape of the first two
acts of Born Again in that I think what it's
about is driving Matt over the edge, making him cross lines,
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making him think that it's all for nothing. Daredevil doesn't
do anything, you know, arguing the law doesn't do anything.
So that I think that next season as I think
Fisk will continue to be Mayor and be more powerful
than ever, and I think Matt will. Next season's Matt
is going to be the Daredevil kingpin of crime, where
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Matt is like, you know what, I'm gonna go and
take over the gangs. I'm going to bring them to
heal and then I'm gonna I'm gonna be like the
hyper violent Daredevil that I need to be to really
make a difference. I'm gonna cross lines, I'm gonna go
completely underground. And I think that's maybe what is going
to happen. I think maybe Matt he might fake his
(43:52):
death after.
Speaker 3 (43:52):
This, yeah exactly, because we got to see Yeah, I'm
interested to see where it goes next. It feels like
it's going to be oddo wrap it up in one episode,
but I will be very excused.
Speaker 2 (44:03):
A punisher must come back right, So how does he
get involved?
Speaker 3 (44:06):
I think that Matt is going to have to call
in some kind of crew to stop to help stop
Bullseye now he's out and about that's my guess. But
I don't think he's going to team up with Wilson.
That's not that's not really in the cards for them.
But I do think that maybe maybe Frank comes back
because he hears Matt got shot. Yeah, which could also
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mean we could get a Karen return as well, because
she might be worried about him for.
Speaker 1 (44:35):
A Foggy return. They didn't do that.
Speaker 4 (44:39):
That would be so crazy.
Speaker 1 (44:41):
If he do that, I will lose it.
Speaker 2 (44:47):
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Speaker 4 (00:49):
Bos I escapes by the skin of his tooth.
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And and Vanessa and Wilson got some saucy splaining to do.
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Wow, what an episode, Rosie.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
This show continues to be very comic bookie and silly
in the way of comic bookie and soapy the way
a comic book story is. And this was a very
fun episode that continues with a lot of the themes
and kind of tone and feel of the previous episode.
And I can't wait to talk about it. So we
open in Rikers, where the secure wing of Rikers, where
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Bullseye is pensively a lot of staring out of windows
from the bad guys, and this sho we.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
Should do an X ray vision super cut where it's
just people staring out of windows, staring out at he
loves to look out of a window.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
He can't even he can't.
Speaker 4 (01:43):
I don't believe it.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
So you know, Bullseye's out there, he's looking out the
window of his isolation cell at an inmate out there,
like smelling a blue flower. And then the guards arrive
and Bullseye is shackled and told you know when he's like,
where am I going? You're going to general population aka
gen pop or lots of inmates want to kill you.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
Okay, but why this is why I want to know.
Why do they want to kill him?
Speaker 1 (02:12):
Because like he because it's like a it's like a trophy.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
It's like I don't know, I feel like because he's
not like an ex cop or something, he would be
much lower.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
Down on the or like fed.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
He okay, he was actually a fed back in the day. Yeah,
they want to kill him. I understanding, Pops bad.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
We go to we go to Red Hook where the
Fisks are strolling through the through the Fisks upcoming project
Red Hook project construction site.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
He loves the ports.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
He's thinking, Nassawa, I never got the opportunity to thank
you for everything you did for the organization where I was.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
Away, and all of this is because of you.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
All the funding that I was able to get was
because of your ideas.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
And your plans.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
And she's like, well, you know, why'd you throw it
all away to become mayor And he's like, no, you
don't understand. I'm combining the office of mayor with what
we were doing before to make this whole new like legal, illegal,
organized crime government thing. Like it's gonna be great, and
(03:25):
the Red Hook Project is a part of that.
Speaker 4 (03:27):
I also like the way that he's like, these are.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
Two of the most top criminals in New York and
he has to explain to how, like, Babe, there's a
lot of corruption in the New York Mayor's office, Like
we can really be doing something. Yeah, like this is
an opportunity for us.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
They then talk about Luca, and it is clear that
Vanessa did, in fact, not that Fisk knew that Luca
was coming to kill him, but she essentially seemed like
set Luca up to die by sending him to where
Fisk was knowing that there was no way that he
would ever vibe that, Luca, I mean.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
And then Fiskus like, well, you know, thank you, I
have something to show you.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
And so we wonder what that might. Then we go
to uh, Heather and Matt at the apartment. Heather is
obviously still struggling with the emotions from the attack and
from her having to gun down Muse, and she's also like,
and by the way, this is what we were right,
because here is that conversation that we knew it was
(04:27):
coming at some point where she's like, you know, the
thing with these masked guys, first of all, they don't
even do anything. Daredevil didn't even do it. I killed mus.
Daredevil was just there running about in his little onesie
pgs like a little boy. Him and Muse like a
little little little boys pretending to be the superheroes or
(04:49):
something grown men. But the acting like little boys. That's
all these masked figures are. And Matt is like, yeah,
but Daredevil's cool.
Speaker 4 (04:56):
He came in, you didn't he And She's like, I
joll he.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
Came in, I killeds.
Speaker 4 (05:02):
What did he do?
Speaker 2 (05:04):
Then Buck shows up at the door and is like,
speak to Heather please, and that gives her a letter
which is congratulates her on killing must get from there,
and then invites her, along with a guest plus one
(05:26):
the inaugural Yeah to to Wilson fiskes mayor Fisk's inaugural
Black and White Ball. And Matt is like, wait, how
do you know Fisk? And He's like, wait a second,
are you Fisk's therapist?
Speaker 3 (05:40):
What?
Speaker 4 (05:42):
Dude?
Speaker 3 (05:42):
They used two I just have to say, they gotta
have a theyve got to have a more honest relationship
between the two of them.
Speaker 4 (05:48):
This is she's keeping he's keeping secrets. It's bad time.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
Yeah, but that's she has to do that, you know. Yeah, Ethically,
she can't just talk about who her clients.
Speaker 4 (05:59):
If he had told her.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
What Fisk really was and that he was their devil,
she would have been able to go into that with
more context. But he kept it from her. So now
she is Wilson Fist married therapist, which is incredible.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
You ever run into your therapist in the wild, it's
the worst.
Speaker 4 (06:16):
You don't want to see it.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
You're like, it's the worst.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
It's just like it's happened a couple of times, and
I literally just freeze up, like, oh my god. So
the thing that Wilson wants to show Vanessa is Adam.
Apparently Wilson at some point transported Adam to Red Hook.
Speaker 4 (06:34):
Is that what happened the basement?
Speaker 3 (06:36):
I claim back in the basement because he was, But
it does feel like he's like, I got something to
show you, and they're just strolling around.
Speaker 4 (06:44):
So I think it's wherever the basement is.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
I think Adam is in the basement and he's got
a bid. He's looking very cast away, very Tom Hanks's
looking very tough.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
It's very sang well for him.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
Yeah, it's uh, it's really really it's very count of
Monte Cristo.
Speaker 4 (07:01):
But before the escape.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
Ye, escape never happens.
Speaker 4 (07:04):
The escape never happens for this man.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
I'm sorry to tell you so.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
Fiscus talking about how he's like, you know, every time
I look at at him, his hands, his artist's hands.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
Oh, I becoming rang. He just starts going.
Speaker 4 (07:25):
He's like like, She's like, I kept my promise, Vanessa.
I never killed him. I will never kill him.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
It's like, okay, bro, but you did keep him as
a Let's roll back the tape. I think there's a
significant amount of space between what you promised and like.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
The spirit of the promise regardless. Yes, He then says,
I mean this is Fisk channeling Shakespeare's Sonnets. He then says,
if I can't be with you, Vanessa, I cannot.
Speaker 4 (07:54):
Be Wow Wow top ten MCU relationship.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
Meanwhile, Adam is like, of course, begging for his life.
You know, if you let me go, I'll never tell
anybody about this. Just let me out, YadA, YadA YadA.
Matt and Heather, meanwhile, are continuing to argue. Matt is like, listen,
I can't tell you how I know this, but Fisk
is using you to get to me, which must sound
insane at this point.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
Heaven must be so sick of this man, like he
is so fuck he seems so self centered.
Speaker 4 (08:29):
If you don't what kind.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
Of main character bullshit is this? He wants me to
get to you why?
Speaker 3 (08:34):
He's like, what do you mean the mayor? Who is
my marriage therapy client? He wants to get to you.
A random Moyer like what do you two have against
each other?
Speaker 4 (08:43):
Oh? I feel like you should let her know, Matthew, yes.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
And then she's like, well, how is me treating the
mayor like anything but a great career? Move for me,
and then she's like, and if you're so worried about it,
why don't you come to the ball with me?
Speaker 1 (08:58):
And he's like, fine, Okay, you know what, Fine, I'll go. Okay.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
Like she's like, she's like, please, don't come just to
like fuck with the me though, and.
Speaker 4 (09:07):
He's like, no, I'll just come. Don't worry will happen.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
Back at the cage, gunshots ring out, Vanessa guns down Adam,
and then Wilson Fisk bricks up. Vanessa looks at him
like hearts pounding out of.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
Her eyes and no.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
For the next three hours they are engaged in the
most heated coitus in front of the cage containing Adam's corpse.
Speaker 4 (09:36):
Dude, they were hot.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
These were they freaks, but you know what, they match
each other's freak and I.
Speaker 4 (09:44):
Love as the few are. I thought this was a
great twist.
Speaker 3 (09:49):
I wasn't one hundred percent sure where they were going
to go with the reveal and whether it would break
things between Vanessa and Fisk or whether it would become
part of the kind of weird, flirtatious, grotesque dance.
Speaker 4 (10:03):
That they play.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
But I think it's really fun and I also love
the way that this episode, like so many of the
best episodes of the show, are about the reflections between
Fisk and yeah, Matt and now Matt's relationship with Heather
and Fisk's relationship with Vanessa, and I like that, Like
Matt and Heather are still in the withholding phase, but
(10:25):
there is like, yes this, you know we're gonna go
to this ball together. You can keep an eye on me,
like we can see what's going to happen. But Fisk
and Minessa is so far ahead that they're at They're
like murdering their enemies and fucking in the blood stage,
and you're just like, you know what, Matt and Heather,
you're doing okay? In the grand scheam of things, Like
in the Grand Schemer.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
Matt is late to the office as usual. I mean,
just be happy this guy went to work today.
Speaker 4 (10:47):
Has he ever gone to work? I bus said, how
much has he clocked in? I'm like, get Charlie Cox
on the phone.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
We need to know he's gotta go. He's gotta be
there three hours a week max.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
He is no work, like just like help one client, bro,
like one client please please?
Speaker 1 (11:05):
He goes in.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
Kirsten is like, where the fuck have you been. Why
are you all beat up? What's going on? She then
like updates him on a case that's going on there.
The other the law firm that they're arguing against is
withholding discovery evidence and financial statements. Doesn't want them to
look at them. Christen then is like, listen, I also
(11:26):
have some other news and I don't want you to
fucking flip out, but you're going to flip out. He's
like what Bullseye is moved to gen Pop. He's like, wait,
why would they do that? And then she drops the
hammer because Wilson Fisk apparently the mayor demanded that he
go to gen Pop.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
Oh, no, one knows.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
Let's go to a quick ad break and then we'll
be right back to can you Discovery?
Speaker 1 (12:09):
And we're back.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
So man Is Matt is upset about the fact that
Bulls has been moved to jen Pop, but what does
it mean? Meanwhile, Fisk is in his office, he meets
with his team. Sheila is like, Mayor Fisk, it's time
to start getting the money together. I need you at
some campaign events today. But Fisk is, this is a
(12:30):
crazy move from Fisk. He then goes down. He's not
cancel all by cancel all by campaign boy butts today
we celebrate our successes.
Speaker 3 (12:40):
What he's just done that he's gotten the glow, the
off the glow. He's like feeling yeah right, He's like,
I want to have a party where I can dance
with my wife who killed her boyfriend just for me.
Speaker 4 (12:53):
That's what we're doing today, guys.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
Yeah, that's that is so true. That's got to be.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
I mean, Daniel must be like, hey, boss, you're really
glowing today. Boss, you're looking good about you. You look good,
you look look you were fifteen pounds today.
Speaker 4 (13:09):
He claims. He's like Vigili Lanty crime is down thirty percent.
What does that even mean?
Speaker 3 (13:15):
I will say, look, if I have one critique show, yeah,
just like the out of the three fucking vigilantes they
have on this show, I will say I think that
is the only thing that I would say this show.
Speaker 4 (13:29):
You can sense his missing from whatever the recuts. I
love most of this show.
Speaker 3 (13:33):
I think for me, it has been just a step
above what I was expecting. And the writing is fantastic
that obviously the acting is incredible, but I do think
the vigilante crime but like we're barely seeing any vigilantes
is quite hilarious.
Speaker 4 (13:48):
So I like that. Yeah, I like that.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
Read He's like Vigilanti crimes down, muses dead White, Tiger's dead,
only like one more to.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
Go, let's party. This is a successful quarter for us.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
Then he shocks everyone by naming Daniel Deputy Mayor of Communications. Sheila,
who's been in politics like thirty years or whatever, is
like what this is and she does the move where
she's like, Daniel, no offense and turns to physically like
and it's like Daniel can't do.
Speaker 4 (14:17):
This, eating alive.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
But the city council burke like, come on, but this
is also again I think we were talking on our
Prestige TV episode and what is Prestige TV?
Speaker 4 (14:28):
And what era are we in.
Speaker 3 (14:29):
About how there is this kind of delayed response to
real life situations like the pit being a response to
COVID and it coming out now. But this show with
the Daniel character managed to presciently look at what it's
like when a high power politician just fills his ranks
(14:51):
with a bunch of people who have never done a
job before.
Speaker 4 (14:53):
And guess what it actually is?
Speaker 3 (14:55):
This easy, It is this easy to just put a
siven and be like, hey, this guy likes me.
Speaker 4 (15:00):
He's in charge now.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
He's the In fact, Daniel isn't just a young and
eager lieutenant, he.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
Is he's the future of the city. What the fuck
does that means?
Speaker 3 (15:11):
Like some creepy I guess his dream is like white
Mafiosa esque Maga kids are gonna be the next big thing, sure, bro.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
Daniel then like drops to his knees and kissing the
boot ring and yeah, boot kissing the boot pledging everlasting
loyalty to Wilson, which we've heard that before.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
We got it, Daniel, I'll burn festival.
Speaker 3 (15:33):
Is that some kind of foreshadowing that he's gonna get
burnt alive?
Speaker 4 (15:36):
I think his season comes to the end.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
I feel like I like him getting killed or or
or you know, hideously burned.
Speaker 3 (15:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
We go back to Eminem and Matt hates his client.
He's Matt's.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
This client that they have that paid them good money
is a piece of shit, apparently, and Matt just doesn't
take He's been sitting in on this deposition or meeting
or whatever it is for like ten minutes and he's already.
Speaker 3 (16:06):
That Kirston's obviously done prepping this guy.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
He's getting very frustrated at having to be at his
job for like close to thirty minutes, and he's starting
to like get really annoyed. He can tell the guy
is lying about like defrauding New York City teachers.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
So matt flips.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
Out and he's like, well, I'll have you know that,
according to Law Code two oh five dash A, lawyers
can't knowingly perjure themselves.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
And he's like, what are you talking about? It's like
you're lying.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
And if I know you're lying, how can I go
up there in court and argue what I know to
be lies?
Speaker 1 (16:41):
And Christ is like, no, what are you talking about?
Speaker 4 (16:44):
Not on law?
Speaker 3 (16:45):
Like this weird idea that there's some kind of law
that a lawyer like can't represent ala. No, then all,
like all court cases would be stopped because one side
is not telling the truth, Matthew. And also, I don't
think it's like a MISSI ballink caught that. He's like, well,
I could hear with my super his heartbeat.
Speaker 4 (17:04):
Maybe you just stressed him out because you look, I'm
not gonna lie. This guy clearly did steal the money.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
And he also then mentions that his mom is a teacher,
his sister is a teacher. His wife's a teacher, so
he stole it because he knew how to steal it.
He is a scumbag, But Matthew, just generally you can't
walk into a room and start yelling at someone and no,
I expect that you don't know what's going on.
Speaker 4 (17:28):
Why was he Maybe he was defording it for a
good reason. Why don't you ask him?
Speaker 2 (17:32):
All I know is, Matt, you don't come to work,
and when you come into work, you shit on our
paying clients and then walk away. So Christian is like,
what are you talking about? I'm worried about your acting
fucking crazy, and then Matt says some overwrought shit like
this is also feudle, like fighting for law and.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
Justice, and then he leaves and he's probably been at
work for forty.
Speaker 3 (17:55):
Five mates Max Max before leaving. I look, I am
a kissed in mcduffy fan. I like this character. I
want to see her in more. I don't think she's
just a Karen replacement. I think she's a or a
Foggy replacement. I think she's an interesting character I want
to know more about. But also guys like, let me
know more about her and also have her just tell
(18:17):
Matt to go fuck himself, like she's running this law
firm by herself. She doesn't need him or Cherry. He
needs to just go on to I mean, with the
spoiler earmuffs if you don't like tear about leaks, but
with the suit leaks that we have seen coming up,
we can assume that this season is gonna end with
Matt being out on the outs by himself, maybe faked
(18:40):
his own death, maybe something like that, or at least
that's where season two will find him because he's wearing
the black suit. So I would be interested to see
if she interest does boot him out, but we'll see
she should because he is annoying as hell when it
comes to his job.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
Matt then goes to a neighborhood favorite, Josie's Bar, which
has not reopened since Bull's Eye violent.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
Killed Foggy and yes inside the bar, but.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
Josie is there just hanging out, just drinking, and so
Matt is like day drinking with Josie.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
Cherry arrives.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
Kirsten sent him to keep track of Matt because she
was probably like Cherry, Matt's acting like a wild man,
you gotta go.
Speaker 4 (19:20):
And he's like he's probably day drinking instead of being.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
A US, which is true, and.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
Matt starts to think, you know, there's something else going
on because the you know, with Bullseye being moved and
Foggy's death not really making sense, it's all connected somehow.
And then it all comes together when Josie comes out
with this specific bottle of Irish whiskey, Oh Melvinies and
says that Foggy, this is what Foggy was drinking on
(19:48):
the night he was killed, and this makes Matt realize
that Foggy was celebrating something, some kind of break in
his case that he had, and that must have been
why he was killed, because he was about to win
some huge case. Matt then goes to see Bullseye and
writers asks bullsey if did you kill Foggy because Fisk
(20:11):
hired you? Poindexter is just being super weird, making like
various philosophical statements and saying, you know, I have questions
too about like what happened, And then Matt again is like,
did you kill Foggy because Fitsk hired you to?
Speaker 1 (20:26):
And Bullsay is like, I'll tell you, but I.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
Need to get out first, and then Matt's like, okay, whatever,
it bashes his head into the table and leaves.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
We go to the Black and White Ball. Daniel is riding.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
High at the Black and White Ball. He sees Bebe,
which continues to be one of the craziest relationships in
this show.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
He sees Bbe, who.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
He clearly like, I think that there's on one level,
he sees Bebe as like, we're these two young New
Yorkers on the come up.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
You know, we're we're ascendant right now, And isn't this awesome?
Isn't this cool? Like look at us?
Speaker 3 (21:06):
And I think in his mind he definitely imagines like, oh,
she could be my Vanessa, Like look at us, We've
got this connector is also he likes her.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
He likes you definitely, So he apologizes for pushing her
to like report lies in the BB report regarding the
muse in the task Force.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
He then tells her and by the hey.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
And but I'm now you're talking as a Deputy may
As the coms now, it's not crazy, baby, and the
kind of he's like flexing and he's like, look at
us well on the way to the top, BB Yerika
BB Report, I'm the Deputy may As.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
The power couple, look at us.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
Meanwhile, across the across the ballroom, Jack Duquane, the Swordsman,
he is talking to Artemis Sledge, the you know her
and Arthur Sledge or this socialite New York, very very
wealthy couple met previously, and they both supposedly hate Fisks.
So Jack is like, look at us here, two people
(22:06):
that hate fisk, Why are we here? But Artemis is
like weirdly preoccupied about something. She's like clearly has a
lot of stuff on her mind. She kind of wanders off,
and this raises Jack's suspicions a little bit.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
Something's off.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
Heather is there looking around waiting for Matt, looking great,
her hair looking great, looking wonderfully done up for this
ball and she's clearly like frustrated and fuming because Matt
said he would be there and he's not there. And
then all of a sudden, like the lights drop and
you hear like the Chicago Bulls theme music, and the
(22:40):
voice gets on that na Mare and first lady, what's
that that Vanessa Fisk?
Speaker 1 (22:45):
And they play this crazy like.
Speaker 4 (22:49):
The most evil milling song of old.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
Yeah, like sounds like it truly sounds like you're riding
into Mordor with this fucking music.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
And let's take a quick break and come.
Speaker 3 (23:03):
Back in second.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
And we're back.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
Meanwhile, of course, guess what Bullseye breaks out of prison?
Speaker 4 (23:24):
How does he do it? Though?
Speaker 3 (23:25):
Jay thinks this is straight from the coll mix and
I love it.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
It is really great.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
So apparently when Matt bashed his head, he loosened a tooth, yes,
which which Bullseye then goes to the dentist to like,
uh world, to the doctor to have like stitches done
in his head from when he's his head bashed, But
that tooth is loose, and so while he's sitting there
manacled to the chair, he sucks the tooth out of
(23:50):
his out of his h gum, I guess the gum
hole which crazy suction from Ben Point Dexter didn't know
he had that kind of talent as well. Then he
spits the tooth into the guard's eye, blinding him and
then immediately escapes, gets all like the little like scalpels
(24:13):
and shit and just starts killing everybody.
Speaker 4 (24:15):
Yeah, he's done it, he's out. He's done it in
the comics.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
Like in some really crazy times, like he did it
in a Captain America book.
Speaker 4 (24:22):
He killed someone with his tooth.
Speaker 3 (24:24):
He's done it obviously in dat evil like this man,
he loves to do a crazy killing. In fact, I
was thinking today about one of the wildest parts of
the law is that he.
Speaker 4 (24:36):
In prison, like they would have to like.
Speaker 3 (24:38):
Give him stool softeners so he didn't kill people with
his poop, so he didn't just be pooping out bullets.
Speaker 4 (24:43):
Like come on, man, like this guy is a crazy guy.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
This is he the most overpowered guy in the Marvel
universe with this tooth bullet that, by the way, killed
multiple people. Okay, I do have to bring this up,
big conversation in the discord.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
Yeah, I think that.
Speaker 4 (24:59):
I agree with you and Joel on this now.
Speaker 3 (25:00):
But the disc or conversation was, did Matt Murdock know
that by smashing Bullseye's face on.
Speaker 4 (25:09):
The table he was going to end up escaping and
trying to kill fist?
Speaker 1 (25:12):
No way, no way he did that out of pure aim.
Speaker 3 (25:15):
I don't think so, simply because of the nature of
how many people bulls I killed when he got out
of prison, and Matt could not make that good with himself.
Speaker 4 (25:26):
I don't believe.
Speaker 3 (25:27):
But I understand why it feels ambiguous when you know
bulls eye immediately says thank you, counselor, and doesn't make
any you know, argument that he didn't just randomly smash
his face against the table, which is what Matt.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
And this is just Matt out of control.
Speaker 3 (25:43):
Yeah, this is just classic like a violence against imprison people.
Matt is not new in doing this, but I do
like out. I do think you make a great statement.
I think Matt is out of control at this point.
His session with Wilson and the death of Foggy is
making him lose any kind of moral center that he had,
which has always been kind of blarry for him. And
(26:04):
I actually think it makes a very very interesting dad
devil kind of interpretation. Then what we often see with
the kind of guilt ridden Matt, like he will be
guilty about this at some point, but right now he's
just on that quest for revenge.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
We go back to the ball.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
Vanessa comes up to Heather and he's like, thank you
for all your help with me and Wilson, and that
was great, and they have some small talk and then
she goes off, and then we look over and the music,
the carmina burana like choral music starts up again, and
who is it? But Matt entering the black and white ball,
(26:42):
He's got his keen to complete the look, and he's like,
apparently can he's heading right for Wilson. I don't know
what Heather thinks is like is he going by smell
directly towards Wilson?
Speaker 1 (26:58):
Like how is he doing?
Speaker 4 (27:00):
I just think this guy's putting it on.
Speaker 3 (27:01):
Like he's like navigating a dance floor with a question,
is Matt Madow blind? Like does the through the powers
you have mean that he isn't blind? Like it's very controversial,
and yeah, I am intrigued to see what happens next.
But come on, Matthew, you are not doing a good
job a pretending anymore.
Speaker 2 (27:23):
Then this is the guy who said, yeah, I just
bump into stuff all the time to the point that
I'm like bleeding and bruised. And then you watch him
like navigate a dance floor at a at a party. Anyway,
Heather like intercepts him and she's steamed.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
Where were you? Why didn't you tell I thought you
were coming?
Speaker 2 (27:44):
And then you don't show up And then he's like,
well I was I was just yeah, I'm here now.
And by the way, I was just randomly visiting Bullseye
at Rikers.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
She's like, what what? What's what? Why do you you
don't call?
Speaker 2 (27:59):
You show up whenever you want, and then when you
show up you have the craziest stories about what's been
going on.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
Matt.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
Then hears Dukane chatting with Fisk, and as he's supposed
to be having this like very serious, really serious conversation
with Heather about their relationship, he starts listening into that conversation.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
So she's like, you're not even listening to me.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
This infuriates her, which, by the way, she's gonna be
used to it at this point because this man is
always snooping on someone with his superhering like you know, yes,
that'll be He's like eating her out in the New
York offist and then he's hearing like an old lady
get mugged and he's like.
Speaker 4 (28:35):
Oh, I gotta go outside. I got through this, like ah.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
Fisk and Ducane then go off and they discuss Red
Hook and Fisk basically shakes Ducane down for money.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
It was like, you know, uh need money for that project,
and it'd be a shame if it was to come out.
The doctor Kaine was.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
The swordsman like he basically says, like, I know you're
the swordsman, and the task force will come after you
unless you like write a chat.
Speaker 3 (29:01):
I love this, but like in the context of what
we've seen of the swordsman, like he's just like a
good step dad who's also like helping out with some swordwright.
Speaker 4 (29:10):
This man is not like a well known vigilante wilst
the face.
Speaker 3 (29:12):
But I love that in the context of you know,
his wife being arrested as like mirror mask or whatever,
like now he is like he would be worried about that,
So I like this. I also like this is a
great example of what I think this show does well.
Even in the silliest kind of big swing moments or
(29:32):
the wild kind of set pieces like the Black and
White Ball, it shows that Wilson is not a moral person,
which a lot of times he claims that there is
this moral quest against vigilantes, but really that's just the
oppressed class that he is choosing to oppress to make
it seem like he's doing something. And it's funny because
(29:53):
here we see that actually, if you're a rich vigilante,
he'll just ask you for money. He's not gonna put
you in prison. And you're gonna try to kill He'll
just extaught you.
Speaker 4 (30:02):
So that's different. Last to it, like he doesn't.
Speaker 3 (30:04):
Really care if Swordsman isn't a bit gilante. He just
has if he's getting money from Swordsman.
Speaker 1 (30:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
Meanwhile, Task Force guys are all over the place, all
over this ball. They are like basically Wilson's pretorian guard.
Speaker 3 (30:17):
At this point, they are acting up too, like really
crazy shit.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
Dirty Cop Powell sees a waiter take a phone pick
of the ball and so they snatch him off the
floor and they're getting ready to maybe kill this guy.
Speaker 4 (30:35):
Like yeah, he's just having fun.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
At this point, when Chief Gallow comes down, it is
like you stop that.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
I'm gonna have you prosecuted for assault.
Speaker 2 (30:44):
And Pal's like, wait, that's we didn't even do anything
this you want to see assault and then puts this
guy's hand in the fry like what the fuck?
Speaker 1 (30:51):
Like no, and Gallo is like holy shit, like did
you just do that in front of me?
Speaker 2 (30:58):
And then next thing you know, there's like a the
other Task Force guys in the hall and Gallo realizes
like he has to back down, like this is they're
out of control and this is actually unsafe for me
right now.
Speaker 4 (31:09):
They say Tim as well, like we don't work for you,
like it's done, like in.
Speaker 3 (31:14):
Case you are we are not like cops under the
guys of the NYPD anymore.
Speaker 4 (31:20):
We are you know, Wilson fisks m YPD.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
That's right.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
Daniel and BB are still having their conversation. BIB is wondering,
you know, which I think is like an important thing
to think about for BB if she's lost her journalistic
perspective because of the proximity to power that Daniel provides, Like,
am I getting too close to them?
Speaker 4 (31:43):
We?
Speaker 2 (31:44):
You know, it's it's certainly good to think about, considering
what the conversation she's about to have with Gallo. She
sees Gallo and she starts grilling him about the Task Force.
He calls her out for going with Dan's version of
the MEWS story.
Speaker 1 (31:59):
Apparently she went.
Speaker 2 (31:59):
To print she published that the task Force took out
news and he's like, everybody knows that was dared, Well,
it was actually Heathery. Yeah, but it's but it's interesting
that Biebe actually did succumb to the pressure from Daniel,
and then Gallo calls her basically Fisk's propaganda, Like when
(32:21):
did you become fisk propaganda minister? And she's like, oh, yeah,
when did you become the chief of the s S,
comparing Gallo to Himmler, which I think is a little Bobe,
that's a little fucking.
Speaker 3 (32:30):
St But he did come out uncle a minister of
propaganda off the one book post, so I think that
kind of that trading, that trading Bob's And.
Speaker 4 (32:40):
Also she she does know.
Speaker 3 (32:42):
That he agreed to be the head of this vigilanti
task force for most even though he didn't know.
Speaker 2 (32:47):
He's only yeah, he's the nominal heat. Certainly they don't
listen to him. But I think it's an important conversation
about like, can you if you were working for a
corrupt leader, is or any benefit to society as a
moral person to work for them and change trying them
(33:07):
in order to try and keep them from going too far.
And I think that's how Gallo probably sees himself, like
I'm a check on Wilson just being crazy.
Speaker 3 (33:16):
But he's also the other hand realized after seeing someone
get their hand French Fried, he doesn't have that control anymore.
Speaker 2 (33:22):
He doesn't have the juice that's not working, and certainly
Bebe is coming to that realization now with Daniel's ascendency
and the fact that she's already crossed the journalistic line
in printing that mute stuff. Then uh, you know, they
start talking a little bit and Gallo's like, do you
know that Wilson Fisk killed your uncle? Shockingly, BB is
like yeah, I know that, which.
Speaker 3 (33:44):
I'm like, what no, no, no, no, no, I think this
Actually I love this twist because she's like, yeah, that's
why I'm here. And you see this difference between how
talking to Gallo and she's like, not everything I print
as under my real name. She's like, sure, I printed
that one story to make Daniel think I was on
his side, but like, if you ever want to print
something real like this is the you know, probably encryptied
(34:05):
email that is not straight to BB.
Speaker 4 (34:07):
And we see that.
Speaker 3 (34:08):
Then I think BB is using Daniel to get closer
to Fisk to find out what happened to her uncle.
Speaker 4 (34:15):
And we get this great moment where after they.
Speaker 3 (34:17):
Agree to kind of team up in some vague way
that I'm sure we will find out, she puts on
this like huge smile and kind of bounces back to Daniel,
and I think that version of BB we've been seeing
is a mask to follow this revenge quest for her uncle.
Speaker 2 (34:35):
So they're teaming up. Meanwhile, Matt and Heather are still arguing.
He tells Heather that Fisk again. He's like, he hired
you to get to me, and she's like what.
Speaker 4 (34:46):
She's like, me, what you're talking about?
Speaker 1 (34:49):
They are? You know?
Speaker 2 (34:50):
The argument is getting more heated. Matt's like, I'm gonna
go talk to them. I'm not gonna confront him, and
Heather's like, I'm coming with you. But before they can
get there, the spotlight hits the Fisks and it's time
for the couples dance.
Speaker 1 (35:04):
This is an incredible moment. So Heather, who has been.
Speaker 2 (35:09):
Like furious rightfully with Matt, arguing heatedly with him, watches
as Matt goes, Okay, here goes the dance.
Speaker 1 (35:19):
We're gonna have.
Speaker 2 (35:20):
This is how we have to get close to them.
As we're gonna have to hit the dance floor, She's
like what.
Speaker 1 (35:24):
He folds up in a very like cool guy like way.
Speaker 2 (35:29):
Folds up his cane, drops it on a waiter's tray,
crazy as the waiter is like what, and then goes,
you're gonna have to lead And then proceeds to lead
her in a ballroom dance. And it's crazy because and
this is again comic accurate Matt, because Heather, who was
(35:51):
just a second ago really furious at Matt, is all
of a sudden like the flush is coming back her vase.
She's just like, oh, yeah, I remember why I'm attracted
to you. Why does this work? Like why wnnoying?
Speaker 3 (36:03):
But it works on me, baby, And he's that dancing
and that kind of like it's very silly, kind of
I don't know about dancing all music guys like in
this sense, so apologies if it's wrong, but it's very
like passionate kind of salsa, like they're doing a classical
dance but there's a little flat to it, and they're
getting close.
Speaker 1 (36:22):
Yes and yeah, and.
Speaker 3 (36:23):
Then and then something something happens that will change the
way that Matt.
Speaker 4 (36:29):
Sees this situation.
Speaker 1 (36:31):
Meanwhile, Kingpin is like talking trash from the other side
of the room. It's like, fuck you man, and.
Speaker 4 (36:36):
He knows he can hear him.
Speaker 1 (36:37):
He's like, you fucking you could hear me. I know
you could hear me.
Speaker 2 (36:41):
I've your girlfriend is my therapist, Like I know you're
dressing up his Darnevil again, like, look at you chasing
me here. Just then, Buck Cashman gets a call telling
him that Bulls I escaped. He immediately informs Fisk. Matt
hears Vanessa tell Wilson that she is tell him something,
(37:01):
and he realizes in that moment that it was Vanessa
who ordered to hit on Foggy.
Speaker 1 (37:10):
What a twist.
Speaker 4 (37:11):
What twist.
Speaker 3 (37:11):
But if you are of the mindset that Foggy's death
is not real, which I know many of you are hoping.
Speaker 1 (37:18):
I think it might not I do actually think it
might not be real.
Speaker 3 (37:22):
It is Vanessa fakes Foggy's death so that Matt cal Wilson.
Speaker 4 (37:29):
That's like her scheme.
Speaker 3 (37:31):
And I'm saying now that Vanessa is the one that
little easter egg that you call of the number of
the office being the same number of the episode where
you know, the issue where Matt kind of does where
this is revealed, And yeah, it's gonna be interesting because that.
Speaker 2 (37:47):
I truly cannot believe that we really might be going there,
and I was firmly against it until this and now
I'm like, you know what I might.
Speaker 1 (37:58):
See?
Speaker 3 (38:00):
This is a very this is comics. Uh yeah, Dead
of a Volume two ninety two. That's when you're kind
of seeing that Wilson, that Vanessa stees and uh yeah,
crazy crazy situation here that they revealed that.
Speaker 4 (38:13):
But I'm not surprised.
Speaker 3 (38:15):
She was the big boss at the time. It makes
sense she But why did she do it?
Speaker 2 (38:20):
That's what That's what I want to That's the question
we don't know. So Matt cuts in with Vanessa. He
asks hers straight out, why did you order Foggy's death?
And but before she can really answer, he hears like
the clacking of like the bolt of a sniper rifle.
He realizes someone's taking aim, and then Matt does the
most Matt fucking thing ever.
Speaker 1 (38:39):
This guy jumps in front.
Speaker 2 (38:41):
Of Wilson Fisk, takes the bullet in the shoulder, sets
the floor and is bleeding out as the weather like
you know, kneels over him, and then we go to
the credit.
Speaker 4 (38:51):
You know what. She is like so hot for him
in that moment.
Speaker 3 (38:54):
She's like, oh he did even though he's obsessed with
this guy, he saved his life.
Speaker 4 (38:58):
Like why is Matt like this?
Speaker 3 (39:01):
Like I think the true reason for me is like
this is a story just like Batman and the Joker
and every great villain and their you know, heroic counterpart.
This is really about the relationship between Wilson, Fisk and
Matt and I understand that also Matt is supposed to
not want to kill people and save people's lives because
he's a Catholic. But this man has absolutely just like
(39:24):
beat the shit out of multiple people this season and
definitely giving people like severit CTE or like head traumas.
Speaker 4 (39:32):
So I don't know if I'm buying that.
Speaker 3 (39:34):
I think this is like in the moment he just
he would have potentially let Wilson get shot if he
hadn't just found out that Vanessa was the one who
killed Foggy, right, But also then he has this complex
moment where he's thinking, like, shit, I can stop the
man who killed my best friend from killing another person,
(39:55):
so I want to stop him, and he just, dude,
when he took that bullet, I was screaming at the TV,
like on multiple rewatches too.
Speaker 4 (40:02):
It just gets me every time. Such a good moment.
Speaker 2 (40:05):
I also love that Matt. Here's the thing about Matthew
Murdoch Daredevil. This guy never misses a game. He's not
like Joel Embiid or some of these other guys. He's
getting concussed, he's falling off of buildings, he's getting shot,
he's getting stabbed. He's like fighting Bullseye with eight knives
sticking out of his body.
Speaker 1 (40:25):
And I guarantee you.
Speaker 2 (40:27):
Tomorrow night he will be out there again somehow with
a bullet in his chest. Bett Murdock will be suiting
up as Daredbil. This guy just plays when it's game time.
He's yeah, he's getting up, he's doing it. We got
to find out about why how these.
Speaker 1 (40:48):
Why did she? Why is she? Why did Vanessa do this?
Speaker 3 (40:51):
Okayeah, biggest question because I either I think Bullseye is
I think Bullseye it took the shot at Wilson because
he feels like Wilson set him up.
Speaker 4 (41:02):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3 (41:03):
So like biggest questions going into the finale, why did
Vanessa do this? Is I am distinctly getting the flavor
that Matt is going to like team up with Gallo
and maybe bebe in some kind of like good I
don't like good cops, like at the end of The
Batman where it's like there are good cops too, So
(41:24):
I feel like that could definitely happen because that hinting
that Gallo is going to be this kind of better
reflection of the police than the anti Vigilanti task Force.
Will Wilson feel like he owes Matt and the thing
for saving his life? Will that change their relationship?
Speaker 1 (41:43):
No way, I think of anything, he'll have less respect
for Matt.
Speaker 4 (41:49):
Yeah, like why didn't you just let him kill me?
Speaker 1 (41:51):
Like, why didn't you want to have had the chance?
That was it?
Speaker 2 (41:53):
You could have been got rid of me, And here
you are because you're absolutely stupid moral code. You saved
my life after everything that I've done, Like you are weak?
Speaker 1 (42:07):
Yeah, I think he loses complete respectful.
Speaker 5 (42:09):
Also, does Wilson and the season still as Maya or
do we see him make that transition to set up
season two.
Speaker 2 (42:22):
I don't know what it would take right now for
him to get torn down as Mayor. He's he's almost
doing everything out in the open.
Speaker 4 (42:32):
Yeah you know what I mean. Would he want to
step away from it and just be the kingpin?
Speaker 3 (42:36):
Or maybe the finale is him saying I am both,
like both exist, like I'm Kingpin Mayor of New York
or whatever.
Speaker 1 (42:46):
You know.
Speaker 2 (42:46):
I've been thinking about a lot about the born again element,
and I do think that this season is it's it
matches the overall kind of shape of the first two
acts of Born Again in that I think what it's
about is driving Matt over the edge, making him cross lines,
(43:06):
making him think that it's all for nothing. Daredevil doesn't
do anything, you know, arguing the law doesn't do anything.
So that I think that next season as I think
Fisk will continue to be Mayor and be more powerful
than ever, and I think Matt will. Next season's Matt
is going to be the Daredevil kingpin of crime, where
(43:30):
Matt is like, you know what, I'm gonna go and
take over the gangs. I'm going to bring them to
heal and then I'm gonna I'm gonna be like the
hyper violent Daredevil that I need to be to really
make a difference. I'm gonna cross lines, I'm gonna go
completely underground. And I think that's maybe what is going
to happen. I think maybe Matt he might fake his
(43:52):
death after.
Speaker 3 (43:52):
This, yeah exactly, because we got to see Yeah, I'm
interested to see where it goes next. It feels like
it's going to be oddo wrap it up in one episode,
but I will be very excused.
Speaker 2 (44:03):
A punisher must come back right, So how does he
get involved?
Speaker 3 (44:06):
I think that Matt is going to have to call
in some kind of crew to stop to help stop
Bullseye now he's out and about that's my guess. But
I don't think he's going to team up with Wilson.
That's not that's not really in the cards for them.
But I do think that maybe maybe Frank comes back
because he hears Matt got shot. Yeah, which could also
(44:30):
mean we could get a Karen return as well, because
she might be worried about him for.
Speaker 1 (44:35):
A Foggy return. They didn't do that.
Speaker 4 (44:39):
That would be so crazy.
Speaker 1 (44:41):
If he do that, I will lose it.
Speaker 2 (44:47):
Tomorrow and Extra Vision, we're recapping season one of the
Last of Us and then Monday we're getting ready for
and Or, as we debate is Rogue one a good film?
Our Last of Us season to coverage will begin Tuesday
and on Thursday, recovering the inclusion of Dared Devil Born
Again season one. That's it for this episode. Thanks for listening,
Bye x ray Vision is hosted by Jason Concepcion and
(45:12):
Rosie Knight and is a production of iHeart Podcasts.
Speaker 3 (45:15):
Our executive producers are Joel Monique and Aaron Kaufman.
Speaker 1 (45:19):
Our supervising producer is Abuza par.
Speaker 3 (45:21):
Our producers are Common, Laurent Dean, Jonathan and Bay wag.
Speaker 2 (45:25):
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