March 6, 2025 • 53 mins
We love a podcast that rises above its nature! Jason and Rosie dive into the excellent first two episodes of Daredevil: Born Again, exploring the shocking death of a beloved character and the accurate portrayal of New York City.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Warning. Today's episode canad spoilers for the first two episodes
of Daredevil Born Again be warned.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Hello and nam is Jason Tepsi.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
Owed he I'm Mosey Night and welcome back to X Revision,
the podcast where we dive into your favorite shows, movies,
comics of pop culture. Coming from IRAW podcast where we'll
bring you three episodes a week Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, plus
news on Saturday.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
And in today's episode, we've been waiting for it. We've
been prepping for it.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
It's the first two episodes of Dad Evil Born Again,
Episodes one and two, and oh my goodness, what episodes
they are.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
What's Wilson Fisk been up to? What's Matt doing? How's
Old folk Worth, How's Old Foggy folk Worth? How's Karen?
Who's Hector Ryalla.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
We're gonna be on all these questions and more and
generally freaking out.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
And before we get to that, thank you so much
for the great response to our first book club episode.
It was wonderful to see everyone reading along and get
such great feedback. Our next book club title is a
short story from the Ted Chang Excellations collection, and it's
called The Magicians and the Alchemist's Gate and it is
(01:24):
just absolutely wonderful. And as one of our discord members
pointed out, there is a lover a Lovar Burton podcast.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
Where you can listen to him reading the story.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
So if you want to experience it that way, go
for it, and make sure to read and join our
discord so you can join in with a book club chat.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
But next episodes one and two of Daredevil Board Again. Okay,
episode one of Daredevil Born Again. We open in Hell's kitchen.
It's been some years since we last saw our friends,
and they look great. They look out, they look.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
They are leaving Nelson Murdock and Page Fogg. He's got
a great new haircut.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
He looks finally good.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
Finally they're discussing all the changes.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
That have been going on in the neighborhood.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
We discover that there's kind of a crisis of personnel
power over at the NYPD. We're a large percentage of
the forces set to retire soon and they are currently
heading to a retirement party for Detective Cherry at a
local bar where we meet some other casts cast some
of the other caster characters from the show, Detective Kim etc.
(02:37):
Matt's future law partner Kristen McDuffie changes generally in the air.
We also learned that vigilantes are very hot at the moment,
White Tiger is out in the streets, and of course
Spider Man and others. We see that Matt and Karen
have big chemistry at this particular party.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
But Matt's trying to be like, we should keep it friends.
Speaker 4 (02:58):
I don't know, but there's definitely but it's that it
literally says to him, let's get out of here, and
he's like, oh, that might break the friend code, like
but that basically things are going great, and immediately the
show kind of warms you into this like fun, celebratory
space where it really does feel like changes on the
(03:20):
edge for New York, and it seems like Nelson, Murdock
and Page are a big part of it.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
Foggy is flirting with McDuffie when he gets a call,
which of course Matt fucking listens to.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
And this, I swear to god, this man has never, ever, ever,
ever allowed somebody to have privacy in that entire life.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
It was it worked out kind of but still.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
Because actually a little bit late this time, so it's
tense and maybe that's what draws Matt's attention. Something has
happened in Red Hook. This that Foggy is talking to Benny.
People are outside of his apartment and they're they're coming
for him, and Foggy is telling him, Okay, you know,
(04:09):
wait there, I'm gonna come over. Foggy apparently kept this
from Matt. He tells him to keep him from getting
involved in basically becoming garrettevil all again. Matt whatever overhearing this, goes,
puts on the suit and rushes to, you know, back
to the bar. He hears the sound of like a rifle.
(04:31):
He hears a rifle somewhere. It is Bullseye. Bullseye shoots
Foggy outside of the bar and all hell breaks. He's
shooting other people outside of the bar. He swings down,
he throws smoke grenades into the bar. He's about to
kill Karen, who's pulling out a gun. She's got a
concealed carry permit apparently in New York City, which just
(04:51):
getting hurt again by the way, And just as she
is about to you know, engage with Bullseye, Matt swings
in and we get a huge fight scene in the bar,
people running back and forth, Cherry and Kim call the
police and they're helping people evacuate. All this is happening while.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
Just lots of people and also.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
Killing, stabbing, like throwing knives into people's necks.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
I say, if you are.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
An injured Matt Murdoch lover, and I know you're out
there girls. I know you're out there boys. I know
that people love to see Matt Murdoch fighting his way
through a dangerous injury and looking.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
Very sad about it. He is riddled with blades.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
Here, I think is pretty good. It doesn't all the
way through, but yeah, it looks bad.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
It's a great comic book moment where you kind of
realize again, like this man is just human. It's just
his willpower and a great armor and of course his
secret superheroic blindness non blindness.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
But I love this fight with Bullseye.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
It immediately just throws you straight back into the best
of what Dad Evil was.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
And they do not.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
It is such a great opening to this episode. But
Matt is really concerned with fighting Bullseye and not necessarily
concerned with like his best friend being shot.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
Well, he's got to get give this guy's a psychopathic killer.
He's got to get him off the streets, and the
fight goes to the roof. They basically limp to the roof.
Both guys are absolutely spent by the time they get
up there.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
Love the Matt.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
Beats Bullseye and then is hanging him off the roof
as he hears Foggy basically take his last breaths. Bullseye
laughs about it, thinks it's hilarious. So Matt drops him
off the roof onto his face. And yet the guy,
and yet, much to Rosie's delight, he lives.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
My sweet assassin son. Never know. He's a terrible, terrible, terrible,
terribly murderer. But I think that the season three representation
of him, as you can, it's for the best talk
about it.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
He's so engaging and interesting and intriguing and such a
great foil for Matt that I felt like, Okay, if
we lose Foggy and Ben in the first like five minutes,
then are they just doing these people coming back? Was
that just stunt casting? Is it actually going to play
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into the rest of the series. But he somehow survives
being thrown onto his face, insane because it was like
a really gnary like ten story fall. Yes, I am
happy he survived for the story. Sadly, Foggy did not.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
Foggy Shockingly, Foggy is gone. He's gone the first eight
minutes of the show. He got a nice trim too,
he looked great track game. Matt drops the Daredevil mask
and we go right and see the opening credits.
Speaker 3 (07:54):
Fast new opening credits, new marble kind of characters.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
They're made out of stone rather.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
Than the famous kind of blood wax motif from the
first season. Gets see all your favor characters Wilson, etc.
And then boom, time jump.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
One year later, New York City is in the midst
of a mayoral election. There's been a recalling. Now it's
just like an open run to the Mayor's office. Man
is getting ready for work at his new firm, McDuffie
and Murdoch. Meanwhile, Wilson Fisk the Kingpin, is eating a healthy,
healthy portion breakfast in his mansion. Elsewhere at a meeting
(08:35):
of the various mobs, presided over by Vanessa, who is
wearing all Kingpin white. And you see that Vanessa is
basically like the referee, kind of like the CEO of
the Mafia families, making sure that everybody is getting paid,
and that territory disputes are being adjudicated without violence. The room.
(09:00):
By the way, there's the famous painting by Ilia Repin
of Ivan the terrible cradling son who he had just murdered.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
Love that.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
I love that moment because it really also evokes just
what we've seen with the Devil and Bullseye. There's a
lot to it. I love them bringing the art side
of Vanessa in. Also, I love that this rumor was true.
I love that what she's that she really is running
these gangs like and I also love like you said,
she's running them like a CEO, and that is going
(09:30):
to become very important as the series goes on.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
For sure.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
Wilson arrives, the gangsters are like, let's give them some privacy.
Wilson is like, I'm very impressed with your management of
the gangs. By the way, I love you still. I'm
the biggest wife guy around. I will stick around, you know,
as long as you want me around.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
But he also has been she hasn't really seen him
for a while. It sounds she.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
Hasn't seen him in a couple of years and know
what he was doing when he was out with Echo.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
She didn't know what he was doing when he was
recovering from the last time face.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
The last time she really saw him was when he
was in the hospital, and it was either four when
Echo shot him in the face or when he got
his ass thoroughly beat at the end of Hawkeye. One
of those times, she was at his hospital bed and
he's like, you know, I love you so much and
I really believe that together, like we can change New
(10:28):
York City for the better.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
We can make your grade again.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
And he's like, by the way, I'm.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
Running for mayor.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
I think I I think I can win. We do
some research into I think.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
But he's also like he he also says very importantly
because I think this is a huge choice that they made.
That moves this away from the comics a little bit
is he immediately says that you can keep.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
Doing the crosses, you do the crime, I'll do it proof.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
That's right. So it has to be a complete Chinese
wall between the two, like no, no barrier. The barrier
must be very.
Speaker 3 (10:58):
Strong between the two. And he said, hey, I've made
it bulletproof. There's nothing they can catch me out on.
But this is a huge deal because we were kind
of wondering if it would be more of a mystery
whether Wilson had really changed, or if they'd try and
play into that idea that he had. I think it's
really smart to do this because we know who Wilson
Fisk is. And also I think it sets up a
potential conflict for Wilson and Vanessa in the future if
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he does start to really believe his own rehetoric about,
you know, making New York great again and Fisk can
fix it.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
We see some video footage from the bb Report, which
is a video news series kind of like a street
level view of New Yorker's takes on various topics, and
it's produced by Ben's daughter, excuse me, Ben's niece, bb Urick.
(11:46):
And these are intercut all throughout the series. And are these,
you know, really cool like chapter dividers where you kind
of get the feel for what New York is feeling.
And I think this is one of the smartest storytelling
devices that they put into the show to really ground
this in New York and make you feel like, oh,
I understand, like what what the temperature of the city is,
(12:10):
because this is a city. Listen Chaitari Invasion, Fanos invasion
that was upstate, but still you know, the Hope destoring
Harlem people getting snapped, the Infinity Hawkey running around, the
Infinity War fight. Like shit is going like haywire in
(12:31):
New York City like all the time. So it's no
surprise that the citizens of the city are kind of like, hey,
what's going on, Like we can stop this.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
Matt meets with his partner, ex assistant Da Kristin McDuffie
at their law offices. He is getting ready to testify
at Bullseye sentencing, and of course Christen is worried that
like it's very traumatic and you can be okay, and
he's like, yeah, I'm fine, totally, he says. He goes
to the sentencing and at the sentencing he basically says, listen,
(13:03):
whatever you whatever you throw at dex it is not
enough because of what he has taken from the world,
my good friend, you know, my law partner of the
wonderful human being known as Foggy. We see Karen enter
the courtroom from the back. Oh, she's just standing and
she looks fiss. She looks furious. It's clear that they
(13:25):
haven't seen each other in a while. He asks Matt
asks the court to throw the book at Decks, and
Dex does indeed get multiple life sentences.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
I got to ask your question here, though, does he
go to get out? Does he want? Does does New
York have the death penalty? No? Okay, that I was
interested in Matt's reaction because even.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
When Dex gets the life sentences, Matt looks like angry,
and I wonder if that's because he just can't fulfill,
like it's still not going to ff fill the whole
that Foggy leaps.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
Because I was like, did he want him to get
the death sentence? Doesn't seem very catholic of him? Does
New York have it? There was something like a loss
that he felt.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
Well, I will say that I think that I agree
with you that there was a conflict there in Matt.
But I think what's so wonderful about Daredevil, the show,
and what they're really blowing out here, at least to
me thus far, is the catholicness, which is that conflict.
Matt wants to do the right thing, but he also
wants to fucking kill this guy, and he wants to
(14:29):
see him by, and he wants to fight crime, but
he wants to do it legally, but he does it
illegally every night, like, so he's got these incredible conflicts
going on inside of him. Karen and Matt catch up
and obviously very tough day. She's living in San Francisco
now she has been avoiding Matt's calls.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
This is a great scene, really really good, and also.
Speaker 3 (14:53):
It tells us so much about how Foggy was the
glue that helped them together because he died. Karen says, Matt,
you just ignored me for like months, so I had
to leave.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
There was nothing I could do.
Speaker 3 (15:07):
And it's just such a good scene without really any exposition.
It's much more of an emotional scene that tells you
where these characters are at.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
And it's very interesting because Matt.
Speaker 3 (15:18):
Has almost like it feels like he's left Karen behind
and now he's this super really successful lawyer.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
His law office is a fancy as far really nice.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
He's with Krista McDuffie, who seems great like as a
law partner, and you know, yeah he's not on the street,
but at what costs because Karen is probably the only
person who really understands him and what he lost with Foggy.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
So he is he basically tells Karen, listen, I'm not
that guy anymore. I'm not Daredevil anymore. I'm not ever
doing that again. And she leaves. He doesn't want her
to leave, but she leaves, and she leaves him like
a little broken off piece of his like devil horn mask.
That night, as Matt is making dinner, he hears just
on TVs and radios around the neighborhood that Fisk has
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announced as Kennedy's for mayor. At Fisk headquarters, the energy
is amazing. The slogan is Fisk can fix it. We
meet his staff, Buck Cashman aka Bullet from the comics,
which is not how I expected to get this.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
I'm saying this whole thing is so funny because they
could go the MCU route of these are just names
that don't mean anything, but it's so fun to see
who they chose and whatnot.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
They chose all comics people. Yeah, Sheila Rivera, who is
his campaign manager, and an energetic and very dedicated young
staffer named Dan Blake.
Speaker 3 (16:40):
Who is in the comics like uh an Astronaut slash Martian,
which were obviously not getting here, but a big deal
that I also visit Alien though, how cool would that be.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
I just want to say, like, maybe it could happen. Yeah, possible,
It's possible.
Speaker 3 (16:53):
But also I want to say, I think this is
very brave choice of them to not go the obvious route,
which everyone thought my called Gandefini would be playing young
Wilson Fisk, and I love that they instead went to
make him the kind of social media kind of young
right wing drinking an energy Jed liked it really hits.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
Rogan listening, Sean Ryan, that podcast listening kind of guy.
Speaker 3 (17:22):
And I think that they they couldn't have seen just
how prescient that would feel right now in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
But it was like a gut punch.
Speaker 3 (17:30):
I was like, oh, okay, this feels like a good
character yesterday.
Speaker 2 (17:33):
It's a great.
Speaker 3 (17:33):
Character, and it's much more interesting than the kind of
idea that people he was just going to play young
Wilson Facer. So I'm very happy with this, very interested
to see where that character goes.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
Matt gets set up with a prospective client by Kristin McDuffie,
a woman by the name of Heather Glenn, and he
meets her at a coffee shop. But then we realized
that actually Kirstin had set Matt up and Heather up,
like as a matchmaker, and the Heather is a therapist,
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not a potential client. And Kirsten definitely thinks the two
would hit it off and that they should date, and
both of them are like, I can't believe she did
this. This is fucking terrible, how annoying, Like I'm sorry, I'll
pick up your coffee, like I'm sorry to waste sure, and
then like immediately after that they began hitting it off,
like immediately after that.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
Because what's one truth about dad evil that they get
right in this show, Jason, The ladies love Matt.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
The ladies absolutely fall for Matt Murdoch. And not only that,
Matt he knows when that post quickens, like, oh baby,
all the time, everything I got him, got him. He's
like she said to me back at the office, Matt
(18:54):
is like, what are you doing to Kirsten, Like, don't
do that, but also, yeah, we hit it off.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
Then give me a number.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
He meets with a detective former Detective Cherry, who is
now working as an investigator for McDuffie and Murdoch.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
Cherry says he had.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
Apparently been looking into the Fisk campaign. For Matt and
probably for his own interest, and he says, like, no,
it's completely clean on the up and up, like money
is all accounted for. There's nothing there, Okay, so let
it go. They both decide, Okay, we're gonna let it go,
and like this is when fighting Wilson Fisk is not
what we do anymore. And he's running. It's clean, it's clean.
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It's up to the it's up to the citizens of
New York now to decide whether they want to vote
for this guy. At night, Matt listens as the city
watches Fisk in the mayoral debate. Fisk is running on
in part of a platform that says, we're going to
bring law back to law and order back to New
York City, and that means no more vigilantes, vigil antes.
(19:57):
We're going to crack down on the White Tigers and
the daredevils on this spider man.
Speaker 2 (20:01):
I gotta say, that's what we were right. You can
ring that we were right, Bell.
Speaker 3 (20:05):
Because that is exactly what you predicted when we were
watching Dad.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
Obviously, when we were doing our recaps, and I think.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
That I was surprised by how much I could feel
the impact. It was already having like, Yeah, when Wilson
Fisk says it, you start to believe, Okay, this is
a world where by the end of this season, vigilantes
are not something that is normal, he says, or superheroes
are not something that's normal.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
He says something that I think is very I thought
was really cutting and could be important for the MC
going forward, which is, you know, we've we've tried registration.
I'm not doing registration. I'm doing like solutions or whatever.
It is, like, I'm not looking for I'm not looking
to register vigilantes. He's basically looking to stop wipe them out.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
Yeah, and he's he can do it because he's like,
I had an incident with a vigilante. Yeah, you're right,
I was shot assassin.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
Okayitch Like, come on, give me a fucking break, give
me a bucket break. Matt basically goes to Fisk's headquarters
and meets him outside, is like, let's go have a chat.
They're like, okay, Kingpin. It's actually quite warm. Considering the
history of the past interactions between the two. Kingpin mentions,
(21:23):
you know, I tried to mentor someone but it didn't
work out.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
It's Echo who shot him in the face. She shot
in the face. Is that right?
Speaker 3 (21:31):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (21:31):
Like, and Fisk's like, oh, you've been keeping tabs on me, Like, yeah,
you know, like I read the news.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
I also love He goes, he goes the younger generation,
what are you gonna do with them?
Speaker 2 (21:41):
Yeah? What are you gonna do? Correct?
Speaker 1 (21:43):
Kingpin notes that they've both come up in the world.
Matt is dressing really well. He's got this nice law office. Now.
Matt is like, yeah, I'm done with my Daredevil days.
Just to let you know, Fisk lets Matt know, like
the stuff with Bullseye and Foggy, I had not thing
to do with that. And then Matt issues a warning listen,
good luck on your mayor one. Uh, good luck on
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basically becoming You're going to become mayor. It seems like,
don't step out of line though, don't go back to
your old stuff, or I'll be there.
Speaker 2 (22:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
So great line, because he's like, I believe in the
second chances because that's how I was raised.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
And then he's like, and I also believe attribution.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
It's okay, Like.
Speaker 3 (22:24):
Matt, you're such a drama queen, just like chill out, no,
And that's why we love.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
Him, and Fisk is like, okay, is that mad or
Daredevil who's talking to me? And Fisk says, okay, well,
here's my warning to you. Stay in your lane, do
the lawyer shit. That's great, but don't put the suit
back on, because I promise I will crack down on you,
as I have promised to do publicly, most recently.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
At this debate.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
And Matt's like, yeah, I'm not going to do that,
and Fisk makes a what I think is basically the ideological.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
Croux of this series.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
He says, I love a man who rises above his
nature about Matt, but yeah, I think this is also
about himself. Clearly, Ken Fisk goes straight and can Matt
not put on the suit? Like that is the question
of this entire series.
Speaker 3 (23:14):
I also love that the way Dinofrio, who we all
know I'm a huge Dinofrio stan.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
I love him. I watch Criminal Intent all the time.
He's amazing, the.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
Only person to play both Thour and Kingpin in his
well not great adventures, and Baby saying yeah, well I'm
not really Thor, but they you know, he.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
Kind of thought I thought he was Thord.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
I was a kid, but yeah, Like I love the
way he delivers this line, because there is so much
in it where you can tell he means it, like
he does love a man who rises, but who can
rise above his nature. But he also doesn't you can
tell he doesn't believe that either for them can do it.
There's like a cynicism and a sarcasm to the delivery
that's so powerful.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
But you're absolutely right.
Speaker 3 (23:54):
That is the crux of this series and will come
into the first two episodes.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
I think he always do. I think he thinks he's
doing it right now.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
He's like, yeah, I'm I'm rising above. See if you
can do it. So madd and Heather go on a date,
and on the date, Matt hears that Fisk has has won.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
Yeah, and he feels like you can see people celebrating
in the street.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
Yeah, people are. People are celebrating. Which is the which
is the one nobody celebrates the mayor electric New.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
York anyway, I think. But I think what they're trying
to I think they're trying.
Speaker 3 (24:23):
To let you know, how in day of New York
right now, this populist idea of like we we can
blame everything on superheroes and this guy was a crook.
But now isn't like he is going to take over
and people just want to celebrate about anything. And there's
a great moment here because Matt, by the way, I'm sorry,
you're not doing a good job at hiding this ship
from Heather because he here's in the middle of the street.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
The fisk won just and then he's like, oh, I
heard a TV in a bar. I heard believe She's like, wait,
he does this. There's this really great moment that does
sum up why ladies love Matt Murdock.
Speaker 3 (24:58):
Where there's a huge rush of a crowd and he
thinks that there's something wrong, so he just lifts her
onto a step like immediately, and it's very like romantic
and protective. But he's not doing a good job at
hiding this from Heather. And if you've read the comics,
we talked about the Glen in the lead up to this.
So let's hope that her fate changes from from the comics.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
I hope. So at HQ, it's a party, Vanessa is
very proud of Wilson. They go to the roof to talk.
He tells her that he knows that she had messed
around with a guy named Adam.
Speaker 3 (25:36):
That's the guest, right, it's like unless My other question
was like did they secretly have a kid, which I
was like, but I don't think so, because she says,
don't kill him and he says, I promise I won't.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
I think it was an affair. Yeah, I think so too.
I mean he was gone, yes, she's just had a relationship. Yeah,
give me a break.
Speaker 1 (25:59):
So, uh, Vanessa does ask Fisk, like, don't kill him,
and then Fisk is like, I'm not that guy anymore.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
The same thing Dad Evil said to Karen. I love
this duality. Great, great writing on this first episode.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
Matt and Heather kiss is a major chemistry again, which
I love. The streets are celebrating and we watch someone
probably Muse, painting a mural of Fisk as both Kingpin
and Mayor, which is interesting. Muse probably the villain that
we're gonna see later.
Speaker 3 (26:33):
Yeah, and they had been talking about how these murals
had been popping up. I also will say I had
been worried because in the Dead of a Born Again
trailer that was kind of this weird It was like
a Punisher logo where it's a triggered and.
Speaker 2 (26:45):
I was like, Okay, I don't know if they've got
the chops for this.
Speaker 3 (26:48):
But if they're bringing mus in and that's going to
be part of a villain a storyline, that is going
to be so interesting.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
I'll say this, I think they have the chops.
Speaker 2 (26:57):
I think they have the chops.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
I like what they're doing with with the Punisher logo
and the different kind of resonance it's taken on in
the world all that stuff. As that Matt is walking home,
he hears like a crime taking place and assault and
will he suit up? He doesn't, He just he.
Speaker 3 (27:17):
Just stabs there as a red light flashes on his
face and Wilson Fisk is getting this kind of bright
white I have to say I was impressed as well.
We complained about how the first you know, three seasons
of Dead Levil they have a little bit of fat
to them. I didn't feel like this episode, how do
they fat? But what I loved about the end of
this episode was like they have like that's like a
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minute long silent sequence where it's Wilson Fisk and there's
this white light on him, kind of reminding you of
his Kingpin suit and Matt with this red light flashing
on and off his face and just these two men
on the cusp of making a decision about the rest
of their lives and kind of how it will shape
New York.
Speaker 2 (27:58):
What like what a first episode? Just I agree, so
so good.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
It's like they both want to stay out of each
other's way, and they both want to not be in
conflict with each other.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
But it's also so very clear.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
That, like like magnets, they are just going to end
up on a collision course and there's almost nothing they
can do about it because of the natures of these
two men. And let's take a quick break and come
back and recap episode.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
Two, and we're back.
Speaker 1 (28:43):
Episode two, Mayor Fisk makes his first address to the city.
Matt is listening at home. Fisk, you know, basically goes
off about vigilantes, the Punisher, Spider Man, White Tiger, everybody.
He promises, rule of law. We're cracking down on these
vigil antes. In the subway later that night, we see
a man named Hector Ayala who's carrying some flowers for
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his partner. He is the White Tiger, but this is
in street clothes. Yes, he sees a mugging taking place.
He goes and breaks it up. One of the muggers
gets run over by a train, and that's when the
other mugger pulls a gun and a badge on Hector.
That's when we learned that these guys mugging this guy
were cumps.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
We victim, am I doing something bad? Illegal? I can't
believe that.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
The victim, by the way, has ran away and Hector
is under arrest. Fisk's first day on the job, Sheila,
his campaign manager's laying out his schedule. Now chief of
staff is laying out his schedule. Fisk has this wonderful
little monologue about the desk that he's sitting at. Did
fear did Mayor Laguaria sit at this?
Speaker 2 (29:53):
Ask?
Speaker 1 (29:53):
Who else sat at this desk? We also see that
his knuckles have been bruised, so he's been punching something.
Sheila keeps Fisk on track about all the meetings he
has to do, which he kind of doesn't want to do,
but she's like, this is important because a lot of
your constituents hate and distrust you, so you have to
go and shake hands right now and make people feel
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like this is all normal.
Speaker 3 (30:16):
I also felt this was when I started to realize
that they have the chops right, because there are just
little I love the first episode, great first episode of
the Devil, but there are little choices here, like this
acknowledgement that really what matters when you're a politician is
like the first hundred days.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
Yeah, you have to be serious about this.
Speaker 3 (30:39):
And otherwise, like you can probably just coast, but you're
Wilson Fisk and you need to go and shake hands
and like kiss babies.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
And let people know you're not a bad guy.
Speaker 3 (30:49):
And I just think there's something so honest about it,
and especially obviously feels very resonant right now. But yeah,
I just I started to realize, like there's great writing
on this show.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
Yeah, but there is a great understanding.
Speaker 3 (31:02):
And I have to say Benson and moorehead just absolutely
came through because this feels so timely, even though this
is a show that has been in production for years,
and that is a skill.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
Shila tells Wilson mayor Fisk that listen, the fact that
your wife is not like at your side at some
of these events is kind of hurting you with the
more traditional voters in New York and so like, can
we figure out how to include Vanessa Moore and physical
is like, well, we're working through some stuff right now.
So I'll get back to you on that. Matt is
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at a police is at a police station, like I guess, working,
you know, looking into some prospective clients cases or whatever,
and he hears the cops beating up a suspect and
trying to get him to confess. So Matt wanders into
that interview room and finds Hector, and Matt's like, I'm
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going to take your case. He asks him, like what happened,
and Hector tells him what happened, and Matt senses that
Hector's telling the truth, but also that Hector's like hiding something,
which is that he's the fucking white tiger. Fisk is
very I love this detail because this is very New
York accurate. Fisk is apparently very popular in Brooklyn and
Staten Island, which are the most conservative and right wing
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areas of New York. Very Italian, any of the Italian
strongholds are very very much like conservative bastions.
Speaker 3 (32:31):
They did a great job with like contemporary segregation in
New York, and you're right anywhere with Italians. Also shocking
to people outside of New York and America because obviously
Wu Tan comes from Staten Island, so you would just
never write, but a.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
Very particular area of Staten Island. Yeah, Fisk's like, suv
is stuck in traffic because of like a hole in
the street. So Fisk turns this into a whole like
press moment where he gets out and he's like.
Speaker 2 (33:02):
What's going on?
Speaker 1 (33:03):
Fill this hole in the construction workers like we're waiting
for the whatever, the city permit people or whatever. He
is like, just fucking do it. I'm saying it's okay,
and just do it. And everybody's like.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
Wow, may Or Fisk, he's getting stuffne mad and that
he can fix it. Whats it?
Speaker 3 (33:17):
And that is so crazy to me because we are
currently in a situation in LA where there are council
members trying to push through unregulated builds for the new Olympics,
and I when this moment happened, I was just like, Wow,
they just had the finger on the pulse of like
how politicians perceive getting things done. It's so good, such
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a good moment.
Speaker 1 (33:41):
When Matt comes back to the office, his law partner
McDuffie is like, what the fuck you were supposed to do?
Like a dui and you come back with a murderer
and cherry is like, this guy's story is bullshit. He
killed a cop, like one hundred percent he did it.
Man is like, well, I think he's telling the truth.
And Cherry, you know why you know that. I know
that he is telling the truth. Wink wink wink, because
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you know about me. And everybody's like, well, the n
webs is going to turn against you because like this
is a cop killer case and you're going to defend
this guy. And Matt tells Cherry, well, listen, here's what
we do. Find the guy who ran away, find the
mugging victim, and maybe he's the key to all this.
And then also looking to Hector's he's not telling me
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because he's hiding something.
Speaker 3 (34:27):
Matt knows because he's been playing Human Light Attected listening
to his little heart beating.
Speaker 2 (34:32):
But obviously he's hiding something.
Speaker 3 (34:33):
We know what it is because we read the comics,
but Matt currently doesn't.
Speaker 1 (34:39):
Bbe Urick meets with Dan Blake, Blake gets the BB meeting.
Blake gets BB A meeting with Fisk, and Fisk is like, oh,
your uncle Ben, Yeah, I knew him. I killed him.
He died at my right hands, great giant murdered. He
was a great journalist who I murdered myself personally. I
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killed that man at the end of season one of
Netflix's Daredevil.
Speaker 2 (35:05):
Sooner and Karen Page played a big part in that.
Speaker 1 (35:08):
Yeah, Bibi wants to know why Commissioner Gallo, a very
popular commissioner of the NYPD, refuses to talk about Fisk.
Commissioner Gallo is set to leave the job. He is
again very popular with the rank and file. Fisk needs
the NYPD on his side, which is why he is
so interested in the hector Iala case. He wants to
make the cops happy. And Bibi also wants to know why,
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you know, Vanessa is not around, Like what's going on
with Vanessa? And that's when Fisk is like end of interview.
Speaker 2 (35:37):
That's it.
Speaker 1 (35:38):
Heather is apparently has is writing a book called has
written a book called Live Without Fear, And so she
is at her book event and where she announces that
her next book is going to be about vigilantes and
people wire masks. A fan comes up and asks for help,
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who's seems very insistent in a weird way.
Speaker 3 (36:04):
Yes, put a note on that, like a major player coming.
Speaker 1 (36:08):
Up, and then she gives him her card and then
Fisk's assistant, Buck Cashman aka Bullet, comes up to get
his book signed. Fisk goes to the wake of the
officer who died in the Hector Ayala fight, and he
goes when it's over, basically to meet with Commissioner Gallo.
Gallo fucking hates Fisk, knows Fisk is a criminal, doesn't
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believe that his intentions as mayor or benign, and basically
is like, I'm going to make sure that you're the
shortest you have the shortest run as mayor ever in
the history of New York. Like I want you out. Okay,
that's a strong opening statement. Kristen and Cherry meet with
Hector's wife, Sola Dad. She thinks Hector has no shot
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at ever getting out of prison. Cherry is like, let
me go get Hector's suit from the bedroom and then
swoops around and then finds the white tiger suit in
the mystical amulet. That's what Hector is hiding at the jail.
Matt is like, mystical Ambula, very happy that that's coming
into play. I love that it's in it.
Speaker 2 (37:16):
At the jail.
Speaker 1 (37:16):
Matt's like, why don't you tell me you're fucking white tiger,
and Hector's like, well, that was my secret and that's it.
Speaker 3 (37:23):
Like, and also, I wasn't white tiger when I beat
this guy up.
Speaker 2 (37:26):
I was just a guy. I Ala, yeah, I was
just a guy.
Speaker 1 (37:32):
Matt is like, from now and you have to tell
me everything. And also we learned that Hector has been
going through like he's clearly fighting for his life in right.
Speaker 2 (37:39):
Here and right a little bit, he's beat up a
little bit.
Speaker 1 (37:42):
Gallo comes to see the mare and he's like, I'm resigning.
And also, you're gonna have problem with the cops because
a lot of cops are going to take early retirement
because they don't want to work for you, and so
you've got a problem. Fisk then threatens Gallo by showing
him under which he is hidden under a Hogy sandwich.
Speaker 2 (37:59):
I was gonna say to talk about the fact that
this is like the way.
Speaker 3 (38:02):
Fisk does this is he's eating a cheese steak in
New York. He's talking about the only good cheese steaks
are obviously in Philly, and he's talking about who's our
favorite cheese steak, and Buck is like Ginos and then
he's like, well, actually I like this one by King
of Prussia called DeAngelo's. And as soon as he says that,
you realize that he's threatening, Gallows saying, I know you
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have something that So he shows him a picture and
he shows him of his little secret son.
Speaker 2 (38:30):
Probably what I get.
Speaker 1 (38:32):
The way he was talking about it was like, this
is a secret son, I guess with his mistress. Well,
I think generally they threatening their lives.
Speaker 2 (38:38):
Yeah, he was basically just like, I'm going to kill
this person.
Speaker 1 (38:42):
Yeah, so don't don't even try it, and so Fisk says,
so here's your options. You can leave, and then I'm
threatening your family. And also no, here's what happens to
the cops. They get no pay rises, they get no
additional overtime, and no expanded cadet class unless you stay on.
Speaker 2 (39:03):
Do we have an agreement? And Galla decides okay, I'll
stay on.
Speaker 1 (39:06):
Matt and Ben Hockberg, the Hawk who is the prosecutor
in the Iola case, discuss the case with Matt, where
Matt basically says, listen, my client is white tiger, but
he wasn't wearing a mystical amulet and he wasn't in
his suit. Therefore, yeah, no, we cannot disclose the information
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that he was white tiger because it would prejudice the jury.
It's not involved in this. And the judge is like, okay, fine,
no mention a way, say.
Speaker 3 (39:34):
Rag good lawyering for Mattam By the way, guys, we rally,
we rally get to see him doing some good lawyering.
But this is actually good lawyering. And the judge agrees,
he's correct to agree. Yeah, and you're like, wow, maybe
Matt really is going to make a difference as a
lawyer in this town.
Speaker 2 (39:50):
Maybe he is. Maybe he was never need to be
that of all.
Speaker 1 (39:53):
Again, Cherry tells Matt that he can't find the witness
and also that he thinks Matt is too close to
this case because it's a case of out of vigilante
and you know Matt what's going.
Speaker 3 (40:05):
Cherry knows because he saw him take off his mosque
after he tried to kill Benjamin poindex The aka Bullseye.
Speaker 2 (40:14):
That's right.
Speaker 1 (40:15):
Matt uh follows one of the cops who is beating
up Hector and follows him to his house. And we
also see during this kind of like intercut series of
scenes that Buck Cashman has is at Heather's office to
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introduce her to her new clients, mister Fisk mat full
right to start working with Wilson and Vanessa because they
need to go through their issues. Meanwhile, Matt hears from
the street, here's the the dirty cop planning to kill
this witness, the the mugging victim who fled, and they
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know where he's at and they're heading there now. Matt
calls Cherry to tell him what's going on. He arrives
at the apartment telling the guy Nikki that listen, the
cops are coming right now to kill you. They want
to rub you out for because of whatever you're involved in.
He's like, go flee down the fire escape because he
can hear that. He can hear them rushing up, and
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the cops come to the door. Matt lets them in
and he's like, Hi, I know you were trying to
see Nikki, but guess what, I'm here.
Speaker 2 (41:23):
I'm his lawyer, and he's not here. The cops have
punish your tattoos, which is.
Speaker 1 (41:29):
Very in a lot of ways, and they're like, oh, yeah, well,
well watch this and they start beating the ship out
of Matt. And then one of the cops is like,
let's fucking just kill this guy. And the other one
is like, yeah, but he's a lawyer. He's like, nah,
just do it.
Speaker 2 (41:46):
I don't please the dove do this because you don't
want to.
Speaker 1 (41:49):
And then Matt goes absolutely fucking nuclear and absolutely murks
these fucking yeah, like, I'm guys are knapping arms in souallyes.
This guy in the kitchens, these guys have traumatic brain injury.
Like sorry to Nicky, but when you come back to
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your apartment, you're gonna find a crying Catholic man and
two fucked up.
Speaker 2 (42:15):
Cops and it's gonna be good for you. I'm like,
these men, I would be survived. I would be surprised
if they survived. I also found the Punisher Tato's thing
really interesting because I feel like, even though this is
more of a from what we know about, this is
more of an LA problem, but like it feels like
the show is gonna touch on like police gangs or
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sheriff gangs.
Speaker 3 (42:36):
Like we have had, you know, exposed recently in the
well in the last decade in LA. But obviously with
this twist of the Punisher, which we know that logo
in real life has been taken and repurposed as an
image for cops and I just thought that this scene
was like so so good, and then of course the
end of the scene, which really sells it.
Speaker 2 (42:59):
It. Matt It's just so fucking.
Speaker 3 (43:01):
Angry that he had to do this, Like he doesn't
want to be Daredevil. He's made this promise we get
what Aaron normal, you know, basically predicted correctly. It was
almost like an Anakin no, and we are probably going
to get one of those in this series. I mean, wow,
what what a first couple of episodes.
Speaker 1 (43:22):
Let's sick a break and then come back for our
quick thoughts on the first two episodes of Dared obil
Bourne and we are back. I think two very strong episodes,
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and it's clear that what the idea is is to
take the stuff that worked, the violence, the action, the
wonderful work of of Charlie Cox as Matthew Murdoch, Vincent
Genofrio as Wilson Fisk, and then give them the dramatic scenes,
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the writing, the character development around that to really almost
elevate this to to attempt to elevate it almost to
like a prestige drama, like like what we've seen with
the Penguin. Essentially, this is like answer to the Pengin.
Speaker 2 (44:27):
A feeling like that.
Speaker 3 (44:29):
I think that it is more akin to the Penguin
because of the surprising choices they're making and the interesting
no plot armor for certain characters.
Speaker 2 (44:40):
This show is letting you know anything.
Speaker 1 (44:41):
I couldn't I mean, I couldn't believe it when they.
Speaker 2 (44:46):
Have to say, guys, look, I was actually kind of
like no. I was just enjoying his aircut.
Speaker 3 (44:51):
And and also everybody you know was happy to see
the trio brought back together. But I gotta say, guys,
it was Karen or Foggy, and they need to fix
Karen from the first three seasons, so you know what.
It's occasionally a man must die, a man must be fridged,
and this time it was Foggy ipe.
Speaker 2 (45:08):
To that man.
Speaker 3 (45:09):
But I love that they are not afraid to just
absolutely shake things up. I also am very interested because
I think the courtroom aspect and the potential of that
as it is in the comics is some of my
favorite stuff.
Speaker 2 (45:27):
So I was kind of worried when they said, well.
Speaker 3 (45:29):
The first show had too much courtroom and not enough
dared Evil. And actually, I feel like the this blend
of the two is working really well. I'm excited, you know,
We were talking Jason before about you know you you
keenly spotted that the Hector Ayala stuff is very Brian
Michael bendis like they're deftly taking that stuff from the comics.
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Obviously we have like Kristin McDuffie, she is from the
Mark Wade Palla Rivera stuff like they're taking from.
Speaker 2 (45:58):
There's obviously some Charles saul In here as well.
Speaker 3 (46:01):
They're really taken from the best of Dead level and
in the thanks there are thanks to many many creators,
including Annie Nascenti in the second episode. We get so
many polls from the comics here in a way that
doesn't feel distracting or you know, as somebody who I
know guys, I'm aware of my role in the Easter eggification.
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I love to find an Easter egg. It was my
job for many years to find an Easter egg. But
these don't feel like random Easter eggs. This is a
show that, like you said, is response. It feels like
a response to the penguin of Oh, we see that
you can make an Emmy winning show. And we know
Disney has you know, Disney has been in the awards
contention occasionally for Wonder Vision, for and Or. They're obviously
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going big for and Or this year to get it
into awards contention. But this feels like a really great
blend of what macOS does well. And I have to say,
I love you know, I love wonder vision that's up
there for me. But I will say those first three
episodes of Division that they dropped if you were not
an emcuviewer, they were quite inexplicable until you got further
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in and understood a little bit more about what.
Speaker 2 (47:09):
Was going on.
Speaker 3 (47:11):
And I did have even though there was a lot
of great TV references and kind of it was quite abstract.
I think that this might be the best, or is
up there with the best of the first two episodes
of an MCU show.
Speaker 1 (47:24):
I think the reason that the courtroom stuff felt like
it dragged in the Daredevil Netflix series is because it
was I'm not saying the writing was bad on the
Daredevil Netflix series, but through two episodes, the average writing
level is better. Like they've really taken their time to
make stuff feel both real world and possible in the
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comic context as well. They've grappled, I think really well
with the idea that New York is a real place
with real people who live in it, who are dealing with, uh,
crazy things happening, chaotic things happening all the time, Vigilantes
fighting in the streets, superhero battles, destroying buildings, alien invasions.
Speaker 2 (48:10):
Et cetera.
Speaker 1 (48:10):
Like there's a moment where, uh, Matt, when Matt is
arguing that the White Tiger evidence should be kept out
of the trial, and he says, listen, he wasn't wearing
his mystical amulet, and Hackburg like rolls his eyes and
makes like this gesture like his fucking mystic Are you
serious with the mystical Amulya?
Speaker 2 (48:30):
And I loved that because because they're like, I'm sick of.
Speaker 1 (48:34):
This ship, Like I'm sick of this ship, and they're
just playing, and they're playing it so straight, like to
just have a regular lawyer be like, well, he wasn't
wearing his mystical amulet, judge. That's the kind of stuff
that the previous the Netflix stuff didn't deal with. It
was very, very separate, very you knew that this was
a post Battle of New York World, but like none
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of that's other than knowing that it happened and seeing
like some pressings of the fact that it happened. You
didn't get the sense that it it impacted people or
the people felt a type of way about it, whereas
now with the BB Report intercuts and like that little
moment with the Hawk where he's like rolling his eyes
at Mistglama, like all of that stuff is letting is
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like that classic Marvel Comics thing of real people dealing
with insane, wild sci fi fantasy circumstances. And I think
elevating that to basically like Prestige TV is what the
show is trying to do. And I think through two episodes,
has done successfully.
Speaker 2 (49:35):
Yeah, I think so too.
Speaker 3 (49:37):
And I also think that now there is a non
zero chance that we actually will get shee Halt or
maybe more likely Jen, because I have to say I
did not expect references to Echo. I did not think that.
I thought they were going to use this not to
soft recon. I love Echo, we all know that. I
think she's fantastic. I love the actress who brings that
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to life. I love it disabled superhero, that's my jam.
But I wasn't one hundred percent sure if they were
gonna kind of even reference it. And I loved how
casually they did it. I loved how much fun there
was in that kind.
Speaker 2 (50:08):
Of like kids, what do you do with them? I
thought that was hilarious.
Speaker 3 (50:11):
I also liked how it kind of leaned into the
acknowledgement that there is a younger class of heroes coming up,
both heroes and anti heroes. And I think that the
mention of the Mystical Amulet is very sheehowk Like we
are in a world where Shee Hulk was introducing mutants
and like completely random deep cup characters. She's breaking the
fourth wall. I love how this is kind of comboing
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all of this. Also, I did find it very interesting
that they, you know, red Hook is such a key
location here obviously like a real New York location, but
it does have like after people found out Steve Rodgers
was Captain America when he revealed that his civilian identity,
like that's where he went to live, Like there are
big Marvel connotations in Red Hook too, So I feel
(50:59):
it they're doing a good job again of balancing the reality,
but also the kind of moments like X Men ninety
six from the bloom In seventy five, that's the first
place that they ever mentioned Red Hook in the MCU.
Speaker 2 (51:13):
Hydra had a base in Red Hook.
Speaker 3 (51:15):
During like that, and I just think it's cool that
they're kind of they're managing to balance again the reality
of New York, but along with the hints of what
could come from.
Speaker 1 (51:27):
Maybe we'll do I'll do an omnibus. If they continue
to be Red Hook stuff in here, we'll do it.
Speaker 2 (51:33):
That would be about brilliant.
Speaker 1 (51:34):
Because it's a It is an interesting area of New
York that is always kind of like left out of
People have been trying to develop it. Cruise ships do
dock there now, but because of the geography and the
way it kind of spits out into the into the bay,
it's not serviced easily by mass transit, and so it
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is this kind of like out of the way, different
place where a diverse crew of people live there, including artists,
including just regular working class folks. So it's an interesting place.
We'll talk about it maybe later.
Speaker 2 (52:14):
Yeah. I love that. Also.
Speaker 3 (52:15):
Okay, I'm going to ask you as if I am
to be Eric as a New Yorker, how did you
feel about the New York representation within this show.
Speaker 1 (52:24):
I thought it was good. I thought it felt you know,
the BB Report is like something that you would see
on a screen in the back of a cab or
like on New York One, which is like the local
cable news channel, and it felt very real to me,
Like I thought that was one of the strongest storytelling
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choices that they made here, So I'm excited. We're going
to continue to cover dared Evil Born Again on a
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Warning. Today's episode canad spoilers for the first two episodes
of Daredevil Born Again be warned.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Hello and nam is Jason Tepsi.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
Owed he I'm Mosey Night and welcome back to X Revision,
the podcast where we dive into your favorite shows, movies,
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news on Saturday.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
And in today's episode, we've been waiting for it. We've
been prepping for it.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
It's the first two episodes of Dad Evil Born Again,
Episodes one and two, and oh my goodness, what episodes
they are.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
What's Wilson Fisk been up to? What's Matt doing? How's
Old folk Worth, How's Old Foggy folk Worth? How's Karen?
Who's Hector Ryalla.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
We're gonna be on all these questions and more and
generally freaking out.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
And before we get to that, thank you so much
for the great response to our first book club episode.
It was wonderful to see everyone reading along and get
such great feedback. Our next book club title is a
short story from the Ted Chang Excellations collection, and it's
called The Magicians and the Alchemist's Gate and it is
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just absolutely wonderful. And as one of our discord members
pointed out, there is a lover a Lovar Burton podcast.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
Where you can listen to him reading the story.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
So if you want to experience it that way, go
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discord so you can join in with a book club chat.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
But next episodes one and two of Daredevil Board Again. Okay,
episode one of Daredevil Born Again. We open in Hell's kitchen.
It's been some years since we last saw our friends,
and they look great. They look out, they look.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
They are leaving Nelson Murdock and Page Fogg. He's got
a great new haircut.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
He looks finally good.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
Finally they're discussing all the changes.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
That have been going on in the neighborhood.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
We discover that there's kind of a crisis of personnel
power over at the NYPD. We're a large percentage of
the forces set to retire soon and they are currently
heading to a retirement party for Detective Cherry at a
local bar where we meet some other casts cast some
of the other caster characters from the show, Detective Kim etc.
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Matt's future law partner Kristen McDuffie changes generally in the air.
We also learned that vigilantes are very hot at the moment,
White Tiger is out in the streets, and of course
Spider Man and others. We see that Matt and Karen
have big chemistry at this particular party.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
But Matt's trying to be like, we should keep it friends.
Speaker 4 (02:58):
I don't know, but there's definitely but it's that it
literally says to him, let's get out of here, and
he's like, oh, that might break the friend code, like
but that basically things are going great, and immediately the
show kind of warms you into this like fun, celebratory
space where it really does feel like changes on the
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edge for New York, and it seems like Nelson, Murdock
and Page are a big part of it.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
Foggy is flirting with McDuffie when he gets a call,
which of course Matt fucking listens to.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
And this, I swear to god, this man has never, ever, ever,
ever allowed somebody to have privacy in that entire life.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
It was it worked out kind of but still.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
Because actually a little bit late this time, so it's
tense and maybe that's what draws Matt's attention. Something has
happened in Red Hook. This that Foggy is talking to Benny.
People are outside of his apartment and they're they're coming
for him, and Foggy is telling him, Okay, you know,
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wait there, I'm gonna come over. Foggy apparently kept this
from Matt. He tells him to keep him from getting
involved in basically becoming garrettevil all again. Matt whatever overhearing this, goes,
puts on the suit and rushes to, you know, back
to the bar. He hears the sound of like a rifle.
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He hears a rifle somewhere. It is Bullseye. Bullseye shoots
Foggy outside of the bar and all hell breaks. He's
shooting other people outside of the bar. He swings down,
he throws smoke grenades into the bar. He's about to
kill Karen, who's pulling out a gun. She's got a
concealed carry permit apparently in New York City, which just
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getting hurt again by the way, And just as she
is about to you know, engage with Bullseye, Matt swings
in and we get a huge fight scene in the bar,
people running back and forth, Cherry and Kim call the
police and they're helping people evacuate. All this is happening while.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
Just lots of people and also.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
Killing, stabbing, like throwing knives into people's necks.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
I say, if you are.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
An injured Matt Murdoch lover, and I know you're out
there girls. I know you're out there boys. I know
that people love to see Matt Murdoch fighting his way
through a dangerous injury and looking.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
Very sad about it. He is riddled with blades.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
Here, I think is pretty good. It doesn't all the
way through, but yeah, it looks bad.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
It's a great comic book moment where you kind of
realize again, like this man is just human. It's just
his willpower and a great armor and of course his
secret superheroic blindness non blindness.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
But I love this fight with Bullseye.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
It immediately just throws you straight back into the best
of what Dad Evil was.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
And they do not.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
It is such a great opening to this episode. But
Matt is really concerned with fighting Bullseye and not necessarily
concerned with like his best friend being shot.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
Well, he's got to get give this guy's a psychopathic killer.
He's got to get him off the streets, and the
fight goes to the roof. They basically limp to the roof.
Both guys are absolutely spent by the time they get
up there.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
Love the Matt.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
Beats Bullseye and then is hanging him off the roof
as he hears Foggy basically take his last breaths. Bullseye
laughs about it, thinks it's hilarious. So Matt drops him
off the roof onto his face. And yet the guy,
and yet, much to Rosie's delight, he lives.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
My sweet assassin son. Never know. He's a terrible, terrible, terrible,
terribly murderer. But I think that the season three representation
of him, as you can, it's for the best talk
about it.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
He's so engaging and interesting and intriguing and such a
great foil for Matt that I felt like, Okay, if
we lose Foggy and Ben in the first like five minutes,
then are they just doing these people coming back? Was
that just stunt casting? Is it actually going to play
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into the rest of the series. But he somehow survives
being thrown onto his face, insane because it was like
a really gnary like ten story fall. Yes, I am
happy he survived for the story. Sadly, Foggy did not.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
Foggy Shockingly, Foggy is gone. He's gone the first eight
minutes of the show. He got a nice trim too,
he looked great track game. Matt drops the Daredevil mask
and we go right and see the opening credits.
Speaker 3 (07:54):
Fast new opening credits, new marble kind of characters.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
They're made out of stone rather.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
Than the famous kind of blood wax motif from the
first season. Gets see all your favor characters Wilson, etc.
And then boom, time jump.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
One year later, New York City is in the midst
of a mayoral election. There's been a recalling. Now it's
just like an open run to the Mayor's office. Man
is getting ready for work at his new firm, McDuffie
and Murdoch. Meanwhile, Wilson Fisk the Kingpin, is eating a healthy,
healthy portion breakfast in his mansion. Elsewhere at a meeting
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of the various mobs, presided over by Vanessa, who is
wearing all Kingpin white. And you see that Vanessa is
basically like the referee, kind of like the CEO of
the Mafia families, making sure that everybody is getting paid,
and that territory disputes are being adjudicated without violence. The room.
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By the way, there's the famous painting by Ilia Repin
of Ivan the terrible cradling son who he had just murdered.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
Love that.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
I love that moment because it really also evokes just
what we've seen with the Devil and Bullseye. There's a
lot to it. I love them bringing the art side
of Vanessa in. Also, I love that this rumor was true.
I love that what she's that she really is running
these gangs like and I also love like you said,
she's running them like a CEO, and that is going
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to become very important as the series goes on.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
For sure.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
Wilson arrives, the gangsters are like, let's give them some privacy.
Wilson is like, I'm very impressed with your management of
the gangs. By the way, I love you still. I'm
the biggest wife guy around. I will stick around, you know,
as long as you want me around.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
But he also has been she hasn't really seen him
for a while. It sounds she.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
Hasn't seen him in a couple of years and know
what he was doing when he was out with Echo.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
She didn't know what he was doing when he was
recovering from the last time face.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
The last time she really saw him was when he
was in the hospital, and it was either four when
Echo shot him in the face or when he got
his ass thoroughly beat at the end of Hawkeye. One
of those times, she was at his hospital bed and
he's like, you know, I love you so much and
I really believe that together, like we can change New
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York City for the better.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
We can make your grade again.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
And he's like, by the way, I'm.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
Running for mayor.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
I think I I think I can win. We do
some research into I think.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
But he's also like he he also says very importantly
because I think this is a huge choice that they made.
That moves this away from the comics a little bit
is he immediately says that you can keep.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
Doing the crosses, you do the crime, I'll do it proof.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
That's right. So it has to be a complete Chinese
wall between the two, like no, no barrier. The barrier
must be very.
Speaker 3 (10:58):
Strong between the two. And he said, hey, I've made
it bulletproof. There's nothing they can catch me out on.
But this is a huge deal because we were kind
of wondering if it would be more of a mystery
whether Wilson had really changed, or if they'd try and
play into that idea that he had. I think it's
really smart to do this because we know who Wilson
Fisk is. And also I think it sets up a
potential conflict for Wilson and Vanessa in the future if
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he does start to really believe his own rehetoric about,
you know, making New York great again and Fisk can
fix it.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
We see some video footage from the bb Report, which
is a video news series kind of like a street
level view of New Yorker's takes on various topics, and
it's produced by Ben's daughter, excuse me, Ben's niece, bb Urick.
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And these are intercut all throughout the series. And are these,
you know, really cool like chapter dividers where you kind
of get the feel for what New York is feeling.
And I think this is one of the smartest storytelling
devices that they put into the show to really ground
this in New York and make you feel like, oh,
I understand, like what what the temperature of the city is,
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because this is a city. Listen Chaitari Invasion, Fanos invasion
that was upstate, but still you know, the Hope destoring
Harlem people getting snapped, the Infinity Hawkey running around, the
Infinity War fight. Like shit is going like haywire in
(12:31):
New York City like all the time. So it's no
surprise that the citizens of the city are kind of like, hey,
what's going on, Like we can stop this.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
Matt meets with his partner, ex assistant Da Kristin McDuffie
at their law offices. He is getting ready to testify
at Bullseye sentencing, and of course Christen is worried that
like it's very traumatic and you can be okay, and
he's like, yeah, I'm fine, totally, he says. He goes
to the sentencing and at the sentencing he basically says, listen,
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whatever you whatever you throw at dex it is not
enough because of what he has taken from the world,
my good friend, you know, my law partner of the
wonderful human being known as Foggy. We see Karen enter
the courtroom from the back. Oh, she's just standing and
she looks fiss. She looks furious. It's clear that they
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haven't seen each other in a while. He asks Matt
asks the court to throw the book at Decks, and
Dex does indeed get multiple life sentences.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
I got to ask your question here, though, does he
go to get out? Does he want? Does does New
York have the death penalty? No? Okay, that I was
interested in Matt's reaction because even.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
When Dex gets the life sentences, Matt looks like angry,
and I wonder if that's because he just can't fulfill,
like it's still not going to ff fill the whole
that Foggy leaps.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
Because I was like, did he want him to get
the death sentence? Doesn't seem very catholic of him? Does
New York have it? There was something like a loss
that he felt.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
Well, I will say that I think that I agree
with you that there was a conflict there in Matt.
But I think what's so wonderful about Daredevil, the show,
and what they're really blowing out here, at least to
me thus far, is the catholicness, which is that conflict.
Matt wants to do the right thing, but he also
wants to fucking kill this guy, and he wants to
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see him by, and he wants to fight crime, but
he wants to do it legally, but he does it
illegally every night, like, so he's got these incredible conflicts
going on inside of him. Karen and Matt catch up
and obviously very tough day. She's living in San Francisco
now she has been avoiding Matt's calls.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
This is a great scene, really really good, and also.
Speaker 3 (14:53):
It tells us so much about how Foggy was the
glue that helped them together because he died. Karen says, Matt,
you just ignored me for like months, so I had
to leave.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
There was nothing I could do.
Speaker 3 (15:07):
And it's just such a good scene without really any exposition.
It's much more of an emotional scene that tells you
where these characters are at.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
And it's very interesting because Matt.
Speaker 3 (15:18):
Has almost like it feels like he's left Karen behind
and now he's this super really successful lawyer.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
His law office is a fancy as far really nice.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
He's with Krista McDuffie, who seems great like as a
law partner, and you know, yeah he's not on the street,
but at what costs because Karen is probably the only
person who really understands him and what he lost with Foggy.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
So he is he basically tells Karen, listen, I'm not
that guy anymore. I'm not Daredevil anymore. I'm not ever
doing that again. And she leaves. He doesn't want her
to leave, but she leaves, and she leaves him like
a little broken off piece of his like devil horn mask.
That night, as Matt is making dinner, he hears just
on TVs and radios around the neighborhood that Fisk has
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announced as Kennedy's for mayor. At Fisk headquarters, the energy
is amazing. The slogan is Fisk can fix it. We
meet his staff, Buck Cashman aka Bullet from the comics,
which is not how I expected to get this.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
I'm saying this whole thing is so funny because they
could go the MCU route of these are just names
that don't mean anything, but it's so fun to see
who they chose and whatnot.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
They chose all comics people. Yeah, Sheila Rivera, who is
his campaign manager, and an energetic and very dedicated young
staffer named Dan Blake.
Speaker 3 (16:40):
Who is in the comics like uh an Astronaut slash Martian,
which were obviously not getting here, but a big deal
that I also visit Alien though, how cool would that be.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
I just want to say, like, maybe it could happen. Yeah, possible,
It's possible.
Speaker 3 (16:53):
But also I want to say, I think this is
very brave choice of them to not go the obvious route,
which everyone thought my called Gandefini would be playing young
Wilson Fisk, and I love that they instead went to
make him the kind of social media kind of young
right wing drinking an energy Jed liked it really hits.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
Rogan listening, Sean Ryan, that podcast listening kind of guy.
Speaker 3 (17:22):
And I think that they they couldn't have seen just
how prescient that would feel right now in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
But it was like a gut punch.
Speaker 3 (17:30):
I was like, oh, okay, this feels like a good
character yesterday.
Speaker 2 (17:33):
It's a great.
Speaker 3 (17:33):
Character, and it's much more interesting than the kind of
idea that people he was just going to play young
Wilson Facer. So I'm very happy with this, very interested
to see where that character goes.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
Matt gets set up with a prospective client by Kristin McDuffie,
a woman by the name of Heather Glenn, and he
meets her at a coffee shop. But then we realized
that actually Kirstin had set Matt up and Heather up,
like as a matchmaker, and the Heather is a therapist,
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not a potential client. And Kirsten definitely thinks the two
would hit it off and that they should date, and
both of them are like, I can't believe she did
this. This is fucking terrible, how annoying, Like I'm sorry, I'll
pick up your coffee, like I'm sorry to waste sure, and
then like immediately after that they began hitting it off,
like immediately after that.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
Because what's one truth about dad evil that they get
right in this show, Jason, The ladies love Matt.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
The ladies absolutely fall for Matt Murdoch. And not only that,
Matt he knows when that post quickens, like, oh baby,
all the time, everything I got him, got him. He's
like she said to me back at the office, Matt
(18:54):
is like, what are you doing to Kirsten, Like, don't
do that, but also, yeah, we hit it off.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
Then give me a number.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
He meets with a detective former Detective Cherry, who is
now working as an investigator for McDuffie and Murdoch.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
Cherry says he had.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
Apparently been looking into the Fisk campaign. For Matt and
probably for his own interest, and he says, like, no,
it's completely clean on the up and up, like money
is all accounted for. There's nothing there, Okay, so let
it go. They both decide, Okay, we're gonna let it go,
and like this is when fighting Wilson Fisk is not
what we do anymore. And he's running. It's clean, it's clean.
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It's up to the it's up to the citizens of
New York now to decide whether they want to vote
for this guy. At night, Matt listens as the city
watches Fisk in the mayoral debate. Fisk is running on
in part of a platform that says, we're going to
bring law back to law and order back to New
York City, and that means no more vigilantes, vigil antes.
(19:57):
We're going to crack down on the White Tigers and
the daredevils on this spider man.
Speaker 2 (20:01):
I gotta say, that's what we were right. You can
ring that we were right, Bell.
Speaker 3 (20:05):
Because that is exactly what you predicted when we were
watching Dad.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
Obviously, when we were doing our recaps, and I think.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
That I was surprised by how much I could feel
the impact. It was already having like, Yeah, when Wilson
Fisk says it, you start to believe, Okay, this is
a world where by the end of this season, vigilantes
are not something that is normal, he says, or superheroes
are not something that's normal.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
He says something that I think is very I thought
was really cutting and could be important for the MC
going forward, which is, you know, we've we've tried registration.
I'm not doing registration. I'm doing like solutions or whatever.
It is, like, I'm not looking for I'm not looking
to register vigilantes. He's basically looking to stop wipe them out.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
Yeah, and he's he can do it because he's like,
I had an incident with a vigilante. Yeah, you're right,
I was shot assassin.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
Okayitch Like, come on, give me a fucking break, give
me a bucket break. Matt basically goes to Fisk's headquarters
and meets him outside, is like, let's go have a chat.
They're like, okay, Kingpin. It's actually quite warm. Considering the
history of the past interactions between the two. Kingpin mentions,
(21:23):
you know, I tried to mentor someone but it didn't
work out.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
It's Echo who shot him in the face. She shot
in the face. Is that right?
Speaker 3 (21:31):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (21:31):
Like, and Fisk's like, oh, you've been keeping tabs on me, Like, yeah,
you know, like I read the news.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
I also love He goes, he goes the younger generation,
what are you gonna do with them?
Speaker 2 (21:41):
Yeah? What are you gonna do? Correct?
Speaker 1 (21:43):
Kingpin notes that they've both come up in the world.
Matt is dressing really well. He's got this nice law office. Now.
Matt is like, yeah, I'm done with my Daredevil days.
Just to let you know, Fisk lets Matt know, like
the stuff with Bullseye and Foggy, I had not thing
to do with that. And then Matt issues a warning listen,
good luck on your mayor one. Uh, good luck on
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basically becoming You're going to become mayor. It seems like,
don't step out of line though, don't go back to
your old stuff, or I'll be there.
Speaker 2 (22:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
So great line, because he's like, I believe in the
second chances because that's how I was raised.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
And then he's like, and I also believe attribution.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
It's okay, Like.
Speaker 3 (22:24):
Matt, you're such a drama queen, just like chill out, no,
And that's why we love.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
Him, and Fisk is like, okay, is that mad or
Daredevil who's talking to me? And Fisk says, okay, well,
here's my warning to you. Stay in your lane, do
the lawyer shit. That's great, but don't put the suit
back on, because I promise I will crack down on you,
as I have promised to do publicly, most recently.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
At this debate.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
And Matt's like, yeah, I'm not going to do that,
and Fisk makes a what I think is basically the ideological.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
Croux of this series.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
He says, I love a man who rises above his
nature about Matt, but yeah, I think this is also
about himself. Clearly, Ken Fisk goes straight and can Matt
not put on the suit? Like that is the question
of this entire series.
Speaker 3 (23:14):
I also love that the way Dinofrio, who we all
know I'm a huge Dinofrio stan.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
I love him. I watch Criminal Intent all the time.
He's amazing, the.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
Only person to play both Thour and Kingpin in his
well not great adventures, and Baby saying yeah, well I'm
not really Thor, but they you know, he.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
Kind of thought I thought he was Thord.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
I was a kid, but yeah, Like I love the
way he delivers this line, because there is so much
in it where you can tell he means it, like
he does love a man who rises, but who can
rise above his nature. But he also doesn't you can
tell he doesn't believe that either for them can do it.
There's like a cynicism and a sarcasm to the delivery
that's so powerful.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
But you're absolutely right.
Speaker 3 (23:54):
That is the crux of this series and will come
into the first two episodes.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
I think he always do. I think he thinks he's
doing it right now.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
He's like, yeah, I'm I'm rising above. See if you
can do it. So madd and Heather go on a date,
and on the date, Matt hears that Fisk has has won.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
Yeah, and he feels like you can see people celebrating
in the street.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
Yeah, people are. People are celebrating. Which is the which
is the one nobody celebrates the mayor electric New.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
York anyway, I think. But I think what they're trying
to I think they're trying.
Speaker 3 (24:23):
To let you know, how in day of New York
right now, this populist idea of like we we can
blame everything on superheroes and this guy was a crook.
But now isn't like he is going to take over
and people just want to celebrate about anything. And there's
a great moment here because Matt, by the way, I'm sorry,
you're not doing a good job at hiding this ship
from Heather because he here's in the middle of the street.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
The fisk won just and then he's like, oh, I
heard a TV in a bar. I heard believe She's like, wait,
he does this. There's this really great moment that does
sum up why ladies love Matt Murdock.
Speaker 3 (24:58):
Where there's a huge rush of a crowd and he
thinks that there's something wrong, so he just lifts her
onto a step like immediately, and it's very like romantic
and protective. But he's not doing a good job at
hiding this from Heather. And if you've read the comics,
we talked about the Glen in the lead up to this.
So let's hope that her fate changes from from the comics.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
I hope. So at HQ, it's a party, Vanessa is
very proud of Wilson. They go to the roof to talk.
He tells her that he knows that she had messed
around with a guy named Adam.
Speaker 3 (25:36):
That's the guest, right, it's like unless My other question
was like did they secretly have a kid, which I
was like, but I don't think so, because she says,
don't kill him and he says, I promise I won't.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
I think it was an affair. Yeah, I think so too.
I mean he was gone, yes, she's just had a relationship. Yeah,
give me a break.
Speaker 1 (25:59):
So, uh, Vanessa does ask Fisk, like, don't kill him,
and then Fisk is like, I'm not that guy anymore.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
The same thing Dad Evil said to Karen. I love
this duality. Great, great writing on this first episode.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
Matt and Heather kiss is a major chemistry again, which
I love. The streets are celebrating and we watch someone
probably Muse, painting a mural of Fisk as both Kingpin
and Mayor, which is interesting. Muse probably the villain that
we're gonna see later.
Speaker 3 (26:33):
Yeah, and they had been talking about how these murals
had been popping up. I also will say I had
been worried because in the Dead of a Born Again
trailer that was kind of this weird It was like
a Punisher logo where it's a triggered and.
Speaker 2 (26:45):
I was like, Okay, I don't know if they've got
the chops for this.
Speaker 3 (26:48):
But if they're bringing mus in and that's going to
be part of a villain a storyline, that is going
to be so interesting.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
I'll say this, I think they have the chops.
Speaker 2 (26:57):
I think they have the chops.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
I like what they're doing with with the Punisher logo
and the different kind of resonance it's taken on in
the world all that stuff. As that Matt is walking home,
he hears like a crime taking place and assault and
will he suit up? He doesn't, He just he.
Speaker 3 (27:17):
Just stabs there as a red light flashes on his
face and Wilson Fisk is getting this kind of bright
white I have to say I was impressed as well.
We complained about how the first you know, three seasons
of Dead Levil they have a little bit of fat
to them. I didn't feel like this episode, how do
they fat? But what I loved about the end of
this episode was like they have like that's like a
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minute long silent sequence where it's Wilson Fisk and there's
this white light on him, kind of reminding you of
his Kingpin suit and Matt with this red light flashing
on and off his face and just these two men
on the cusp of making a decision about the rest
of their lives and kind of how it will shape
New York.
Speaker 2 (27:58):
What like what a first episode? Just I agree, so
so good.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
It's like they both want to stay out of each
other's way, and they both want to not be in
conflict with each other.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
But it's also so very clear.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
That, like like magnets, they are just going to end
up on a collision course and there's almost nothing they
can do about it because of the natures of these
two men. And let's take a quick break and come
back and recap episode.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
Two, and we're back.
Speaker 1 (28:43):
Episode two, Mayor Fisk makes his first address to the city.
Matt is listening at home. Fisk, you know, basically goes
off about vigilantes, the Punisher, Spider Man, White Tiger, everybody.
He promises, rule of law. We're cracking down on these
vigil antes. In the subway later that night, we see
a man named Hector Ayala who's carrying some flowers for
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his partner. He is the White Tiger, but this is
in street clothes. Yes, he sees a mugging taking place.
He goes and breaks it up. One of the muggers
gets run over by a train, and that's when the
other mugger pulls a gun and a badge on Hector.
That's when we learned that these guys mugging this guy
were cumps.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
We victim, am I doing something bad? Illegal? I can't
believe that.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
The victim, by the way, has ran away and Hector
is under arrest. Fisk's first day on the job, Sheila,
his campaign manager's laying out his schedule. Now chief of
staff is laying out his schedule. Fisk has this wonderful
little monologue about the desk that he's sitting at. Did
fear did Mayor Laguaria sit at this?
Speaker 2 (29:53):
Ask?
Speaker 1 (29:53):
Who else sat at this desk? We also see that
his knuckles have been bruised, so he's been punching something.
Sheila keeps Fisk on track about all the meetings he
has to do, which he kind of doesn't want to do,
but she's like, this is important because a lot of
your constituents hate and distrust you, so you have to
go and shake hands right now and make people feel
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like this is all normal.
Speaker 3 (30:16):
I also felt this was when I started to realize
that they have the chops right, because there are just
little I love the first episode, great first episode of
the Devil, but there are little choices here, like this
acknowledgement that really what matters when you're a politician is
like the first hundred days.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
Yeah, you have to be serious about this.
Speaker 3 (30:39):
And otherwise, like you can probably just coast, but you're
Wilson Fisk and you need to go and shake hands
and like kiss babies.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
And let people know you're not a bad guy.
Speaker 3 (30:49):
And I just think there's something so honest about it,
and especially obviously feels very resonant right now. But yeah,
I just I started to realize, like there's great writing
on this show.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
Yeah, but there is a great understanding.
Speaker 3 (31:02):
And I have to say Benson and moorehead just absolutely
came through because this feels so timely, even though this
is a show that has been in production for years,
and that is a skill.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
Shila tells Wilson mayor Fisk that listen, the fact that
your wife is not like at your side at some
of these events is kind of hurting you with the
more traditional voters in New York and so like, can
we figure out how to include Vanessa Moore and physical
is like, well, we're working through some stuff right now.
So I'll get back to you on that. Matt is
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at a police is at a police station, like I guess, working,
you know, looking into some prospective clients cases or whatever,
and he hears the cops beating up a suspect and
trying to get him to confess. So Matt wanders into
that interview room and finds Hector, and Matt's like, I'm
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going to take your case. He asks him, like what happened,
and Hector tells him what happened, and Matt senses that
Hector's telling the truth, but also that Hector's like hiding something,
which is that he's the fucking white tiger. Fisk is
very I love this detail because this is very New
York accurate. Fisk is apparently very popular in Brooklyn and
Staten Island, which are the most conservative and right wing
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areas of New York. Very Italian, any of the Italian
strongholds are very very much like conservative bastions.
Speaker 3 (32:31):
They did a great job with like contemporary segregation in
New York, and you're right anywhere with Italians. Also shocking
to people outside of New York and America because obviously
Wu Tan comes from Staten Island, so you would just
never write, but a.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
Very particular area of Staten Island. Yeah, Fisk's like, suv
is stuck in traffic because of like a hole in
the street. So Fisk turns this into a whole like
press moment where he gets out and he's like.
Speaker 2 (33:02):
What's going on?
Speaker 1 (33:03):
Fill this hole in the construction workers like we're waiting
for the whatever, the city permit people or whatever. He
is like, just fucking do it. I'm saying it's okay,
and just do it. And everybody's like.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
Wow, may Or Fisk, he's getting stuffne mad and that
he can fix it. Whats it?
Speaker 3 (33:17):
And that is so crazy to me because we are
currently in a situation in LA where there are council
members trying to push through unregulated builds for the new Olympics,
and I when this moment happened, I was just like, Wow,
they just had the finger on the pulse of like
how politicians perceive getting things done. It's so good, such
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a good moment.
Speaker 1 (33:41):
When Matt comes back to the office, his law partner
McDuffie is like, what the fuck you were supposed to do?
Like a dui and you come back with a murderer
and cherry is like, this guy's story is bullshit. He
killed a cop, like one hundred percent he did it.
Man is like, well, I think he's telling the truth.
And Cherry, you know why you know that. I know
that he is telling the truth. Wink wink wink, because
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you know about me. And everybody's like, well, the n
webs is going to turn against you because like this
is a cop killer case and you're going to defend
this guy. And Matt tells Cherry, well, listen, here's what
we do. Find the guy who ran away, find the
mugging victim, and maybe he's the key to all this.
And then also looking to Hector's he's not telling me
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because he's hiding something.
Speaker 3 (34:27):
Matt knows because he's been playing Human Light Attected listening
to his little heart beating.
Speaker 2 (34:32):
But obviously he's hiding something.
Speaker 3 (34:33):
We know what it is because we read the comics,
but Matt currently doesn't.
Speaker 1 (34:39):
Bbe Urick meets with Dan Blake, Blake gets the BB meeting.
Blake gets BB A meeting with Fisk, and Fisk is like, oh,
your uncle Ben, Yeah, I knew him. I killed him.
He died at my right hands, great giant murdered. He
was a great journalist who I murdered myself personally. I
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killed that man at the end of season one of
Netflix's Daredevil.
Speaker 2 (35:05):
Sooner and Karen Page played a big part in that.
Speaker 1 (35:08):
Yeah, Bibi wants to know why Commissioner Gallo, a very
popular commissioner of the NYPD, refuses to talk about Fisk.
Commissioner Gallo is set to leave the job. He is
again very popular with the rank and file. Fisk needs
the NYPD on his side, which is why he is
so interested in the hector Iala case. He wants to
make the cops happy. And Bibi also wants to know why,
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you know, Vanessa is not around, Like what's going on
with Vanessa? And that's when Fisk is like end of interview.
Speaker 2 (35:37):
That's it.
Speaker 1 (35:38):
Heather is apparently has is writing a book called has
written a book called Live Without Fear, And so she
is at her book event and where she announces that
her next book is going to be about vigilantes and
people wire masks. A fan comes up and asks for help,
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who's seems very insistent in a weird way.
Speaker 3 (36:04):
Yes, put a note on that, like a major player coming.
Speaker 1 (36:08):
Up, and then she gives him her card and then
Fisk's assistant, Buck Cashman aka Bullet, comes up to get
his book signed. Fisk goes to the wake of the
officer who died in the Hector Ayala fight, and he
goes when it's over, basically to meet with Commissioner Gallo.
Gallo fucking hates Fisk, knows Fisk is a criminal, doesn't
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believe that his intentions as mayor or benign, and basically
is like, I'm going to make sure that you're the
shortest you have the shortest run as mayor ever in
the history of New York. Like I want you out. Okay,
that's a strong opening statement. Kristen and Cherry meet with
Hector's wife, Sola Dad. She thinks Hector has no shot
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at ever getting out of prison. Cherry is like, let
me go get Hector's suit from the bedroom and then
swoops around and then finds the white tiger suit in
the mystical amulet. That's what Hector is hiding at the jail.
Matt is like, mystical Ambula, very happy that that's coming
into play. I love that it's in it.
Speaker 2 (37:16):
At the jail.
Speaker 1 (37:16):
Matt's like, why don't you tell me you're fucking white tiger,
and Hector's like, well, that was my secret and that's it.
Speaker 3 (37:23):
Like, and also, I wasn't white tiger when I beat
this guy up.
Speaker 2 (37:26):
I was just a guy. I Ala, yeah, I was
just a guy.
Speaker 1 (37:32):
Matt is like, from now and you have to tell
me everything. And also we learned that Hector has been
going through like he's clearly fighting for his life in right.
Speaker 2 (37:39):
Here and right a little bit, he's beat up a
little bit.
Speaker 1 (37:42):
Gallo comes to see the mare and he's like, I'm resigning.
And also, you're gonna have problem with the cops because
a lot of cops are going to take early retirement
because they don't want to work for you, and so
you've got a problem. Fisk then threatens Gallo by showing
him under which he is hidden under a Hogy sandwich.
Speaker 2 (37:59):
I was gonna say to talk about the fact that
this is like the way.
Speaker 3 (38:02):
Fisk does this is he's eating a cheese steak in
New York. He's talking about the only good cheese steaks
are obviously in Philly, and he's talking about who's our
favorite cheese steak, and Buck is like Ginos and then
he's like, well, actually I like this one by King
of Prussia called DeAngelo's. And as soon as he says that,
you realize that he's threatening, Gallows saying, I know you
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have something that So he shows him a picture and
he shows him of his little secret son.
Speaker 2 (38:30):
Probably what I get.
Speaker 1 (38:32):
The way he was talking about it was like, this
is a secret son, I guess with his mistress. Well,
I think generally they threatening their lives.
Speaker 2 (38:38):
Yeah, he was basically just like, I'm going to kill
this person.
Speaker 1 (38:42):
Yeah, so don't don't even try it, and so Fisk says,
so here's your options. You can leave, and then I'm
threatening your family. And also no, here's what happens to
the cops. They get no pay rises, they get no
additional overtime, and no expanded cadet class unless you stay on.
Speaker 2 (39:03):
Do we have an agreement? And Galla decides okay, I'll
stay on.
Speaker 1 (39:06):
Matt and Ben Hockberg, the Hawk who is the prosecutor
in the Iola case, discuss the case with Matt, where
Matt basically says, listen, my client is white tiger, but
he wasn't wearing a mystical amulet and he wasn't in
his suit. Therefore, yeah, no, we cannot disclose the information
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that he was white tiger because it would prejudice the jury.
It's not involved in this. And the judge is like, okay, fine,
no mention a way, say.
Speaker 3 (39:34):
Rag good lawyering for Mattam By the way, guys, we rally,
we rally get to see him doing some good lawyering.
But this is actually good lawyering. And the judge agrees,
he's correct to agree. Yeah, and you're like, wow, maybe
Matt really is going to make a difference as a
lawyer in this town.
Speaker 2 (39:50):
Maybe he is. Maybe he was never need to be
that of all.
Speaker 1 (39:53):
Again, Cherry tells Matt that he can't find the witness
and also that he thinks Matt is too close to
this case because it's a case of out of vigilante
and you know Matt what's going.
Speaker 3 (40:05):
Cherry knows because he saw him take off his mosque
after he tried to kill Benjamin poindex The aka Bullseye.
Speaker 2 (40:14):
That's right.
Speaker 1 (40:15):
Matt uh follows one of the cops who is beating
up Hector and follows him to his house. And we
also see during this kind of like intercut series of
scenes that Buck Cashman has is at Heather's office to
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introduce her to her new clients, mister Fisk mat full
right to start working with Wilson and Vanessa because they
need to go through their issues. Meanwhile, Matt hears from
the street, here's the the dirty cop planning to kill
this witness, the the mugging victim who fled, and they
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know where he's at and they're heading there now. Matt
calls Cherry to tell him what's going on. He arrives
at the apartment telling the guy Nikki that listen, the
cops are coming right now to kill you. They want
to rub you out for because of whatever you're involved in.
He's like, go flee down the fire escape because he
can hear that. He can hear them rushing up, and
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the cops come to the door. Matt lets them in
and he's like, Hi, I know you were trying to
see Nikki, but guess what, I'm here.
Speaker 2 (41:23):
I'm his lawyer, and he's not here. The cops have
punish your tattoos, which is.
Speaker 1 (41:29):
Very in a lot of ways, and they're like, oh, yeah, well,
well watch this and they start beating the ship out
of Matt. And then one of the cops is like,
let's fucking just kill this guy. And the other one
is like, yeah, but he's a lawyer. He's like, nah,
just do it.
Speaker 2 (41:46):
I don't please the dove do this because you don't
want to.
Speaker 1 (41:49):
And then Matt goes absolutely fucking nuclear and absolutely murks
these fucking yeah, like, I'm guys are knapping arms in souallyes.
This guy in the kitchens, these guys have traumatic brain injury.
Like sorry to Nicky, but when you come back to
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your apartment, you're gonna find a crying Catholic man and
two fucked up.
Speaker 2 (42:15):
Cops and it's gonna be good for you. I'm like,
these men, I would be survived. I would be surprised
if they survived. I also found the Punisher Tato's thing
really interesting because I feel like, even though this is
more of a from what we know about, this is
more of an LA problem, but like it feels like
the show is gonna touch on like police gangs or
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sheriff gangs.
Speaker 3 (42:36):
Like we have had, you know, exposed recently in the
well in the last decade in LA. But obviously with
this twist of the Punisher, which we know that logo
in real life has been taken and repurposed as an
image for cops and I just thought that this scene
was like so so good, and then of course the
end of the scene, which really sells it.
Speaker 2 (42:59):
It. Matt It's just so fucking.
Speaker 3 (43:01):
Angry that he had to do this, Like he doesn't
want to be Daredevil. He's made this promise we get
what Aaron normal, you know, basically predicted correctly. It was
almost like an Anakin no, and we are probably going
to get one of those in this series. I mean, wow,
what what a first couple of episodes.
Speaker 1 (43:22):
Let's sick a break and then come back for our
quick thoughts on the first two episodes of Dared obil
Bourne and we are back. I think two very strong episodes,
(43:50):
and it's clear that what the idea is is to
take the stuff that worked, the violence, the action, the
wonderful work of of Charlie Cox as Matthew Murdoch, Vincent
Genofrio as Wilson Fisk, and then give them the dramatic scenes,
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the writing, the character development around that to really almost
elevate this to to attempt to elevate it almost to
like a prestige drama, like like what we've seen with
the Penguin. Essentially, this is like answer to the Pengin.
Speaker 2 (44:27):
A feeling like that.
Speaker 3 (44:29):
I think that it is more akin to the Penguin
because of the surprising choices they're making and the interesting
no plot armor for certain characters.
Speaker 2 (44:40):
This show is letting you know anything.
Speaker 1 (44:41):
I couldn't I mean, I couldn't believe it when they.
Speaker 2 (44:46):
Have to say, guys, look, I was actually kind of
like no. I was just enjoying his aircut.
Speaker 3 (44:51):
And and also everybody you know was happy to see
the trio brought back together. But I gotta say, guys,
it was Karen or Foggy, and they need to fix
Karen from the first three seasons, so you know what.
It's occasionally a man must die, a man must be fridged,
and this time it was Foggy ipe.
Speaker 2 (45:08):
To that man.
Speaker 3 (45:09):
But I love that they are not afraid to just
absolutely shake things up. I also am very interested because
I think the courtroom aspect and the potential of that
as it is in the comics is some of my
favorite stuff.
Speaker 2 (45:27):
So I was kind of worried when they said, well.
Speaker 3 (45:29):
The first show had too much courtroom and not enough
dared Evil. And actually, I feel like the this blend
of the two is working really well. I'm excited, you know,
We were talking Jason before about you know you you
keenly spotted that the Hector Ayala stuff is very Brian
Michael bendis like they're deftly taking that stuff from the comics.
(45:50):
Obviously we have like Kristin McDuffie, she is from the
Mark Wade Palla Rivera stuff like they're taking from.
Speaker 2 (45:58):
There's obviously some Charles saul In here as well.
Speaker 3 (46:01):
They're really taken from the best of Dead level and
in the thanks there are thanks to many many creators,
including Annie Nascenti in the second episode. We get so
many polls from the comics here in a way that
doesn't feel distracting or you know, as somebody who I
know guys, I'm aware of my role in the Easter eggification.
(46:22):
I love to find an Easter egg. It was my
job for many years to find an Easter egg. But
these don't feel like random Easter eggs. This is a
show that, like you said, is response. It feels like
a response to the penguin of Oh, we see that
you can make an Emmy winning show. And we know
Disney has you know, Disney has been in the awards
contention occasionally for Wonder Vision, for and Or. They're obviously
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going big for and Or this year to get it
into awards contention. But this feels like a really great
blend of what macOS does well. And I have to say,
I love you know, I love wonder vision that's up
there for me. But I will say those first three
episodes of Division that they dropped if you were not
an emcuviewer, they were quite inexplicable until you got further
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in and understood a little bit more about what.
Speaker 2 (47:09):
Was going on.
Speaker 3 (47:11):
And I did have even though there was a lot
of great TV references and kind of it was quite abstract.
I think that this might be the best, or is
up there with the best of the first two episodes
of an MCU show.
Speaker 1 (47:24):
I think the reason that the courtroom stuff felt like
it dragged in the Daredevil Netflix series is because it
was I'm not saying the writing was bad on the
Daredevil Netflix series, but through two episodes, the average writing
level is better. Like they've really taken their time to
make stuff feel both real world and possible in the
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comic context as well. They've grappled, I think really well
with the idea that New York is a real place
with real people who live in it, who are dealing with, uh,
crazy things happening, chaotic things happening all the time, Vigilantes
fighting in the streets, superhero battles, destroying buildings, alien invasions.
Speaker 2 (48:10):
Et cetera.
Speaker 1 (48:10):
Like there's a moment where, uh, Matt, when Matt is
arguing that the White Tiger evidence should be kept out
of the trial, and he says, listen, he wasn't wearing
his mystical amulet, and Hackburg like rolls his eyes and
makes like this gesture like his fucking mystic Are you
serious with the mystical Amulya?
Speaker 2 (48:30):
And I loved that because because they're like, I'm sick of.
Speaker 1 (48:34):
This ship, Like I'm sick of this ship, and they're
just playing, and they're playing it so straight, like to
just have a regular lawyer be like, well, he wasn't
wearing his mystical amulet, judge. That's the kind of stuff
that the previous the Netflix stuff didn't deal with. It
was very, very separate, very you knew that this was
a post Battle of New York World, but like none
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of that's other than knowing that it happened and seeing
like some pressings of the fact that it happened. You
didn't get the sense that it it impacted people or
the people felt a type of way about it, whereas
now with the BB Report intercuts and like that little
moment with the Hawk where he's like rolling his eyes
at Mistglama, like all of that stuff is letting is
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like that classic Marvel Comics thing of real people dealing
with insane, wild sci fi fantasy circumstances. And I think
elevating that to basically like Prestige TV is what the
show is trying to do. And I think through two episodes,
has done successfully.
Speaker 2 (49:35):
Yeah, I think so too.
Speaker 3 (49:37):
And I also think that now there is a non
zero chance that we actually will get shee Halt or
maybe more likely Jen, because I have to say I
did not expect references to Echo. I did not think that.
I thought they were going to use this not to
soft recon. I love Echo, we all know that. I
think she's fantastic. I love the actress who brings that
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to life. I love it disabled superhero, that's my jam.
But I wasn't one hundred percent sure if they were
gonna kind of even reference it. And I loved how
casually they did it. I loved how much fun there
was in that kind.
Speaker 2 (50:08):
Of like kids, what do you do with them? I
thought that was hilarious.
Speaker 3 (50:11):
I also liked how it kind of leaned into the
acknowledgement that there is a younger class of heroes coming up,
both heroes and anti heroes. And I think that the
mention of the Mystical Amulet is very sheehowk Like we
are in a world where Shee Hulk was introducing mutants
and like completely random deep cup characters. She's breaking the
fourth wall. I love how this is kind of comboing
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all of this. Also, I did find it very interesting
that they, you know, red Hook is such a key
location here obviously like a real New York location, but
it does have like after people found out Steve Rodgers
was Captain America when he revealed that his civilian identity,
like that's where he went to live, Like there are
big Marvel connotations in Red Hook too, So I feel
(50:59):
it they're doing a good job again of balancing the reality,
but also the kind of moments like X Men ninety
six from the bloom In seventy five, that's the first
place that they ever mentioned Red Hook in the MCU.
Speaker 2 (51:13):
Hydra had a base in Red Hook.
Speaker 3 (51:15):
During like that, and I just think it's cool that
they're kind of they're managing to balance again the reality
of New York, but along with the hints of what
could come from.
Speaker 1 (51:27):
Maybe we'll do I'll do an omnibus. If they continue
to be Red Hook stuff in here, we'll do it.
Speaker 2 (51:33):
That would be about brilliant.
Speaker 1 (51:34):
Because it's a It is an interesting area of New
York that is always kind of like left out of
People have been trying to develop it. Cruise ships do
dock there now, but because of the geography and the
way it kind of spits out into the into the bay,
it's not serviced easily by mass transit, and so it
(52:00):
is this kind of like out of the way, different
place where a diverse crew of people live there, including artists,
including just regular working class folks. So it's an interesting place.
We'll talk about it maybe later.
Speaker 2 (52:14):
Yeah. I love that. Also.
Speaker 3 (52:15):
Okay, I'm going to ask you as if I am
to be Eric as a New Yorker, how did you
feel about the New York representation within this show.
Speaker 1 (52:24):
I thought it was good. I thought it felt you know,
the BB Report is like something that you would see
on a screen in the back of a cab or
like on New York One, which is like the local
cable news channel, and it felt very real to me,
Like I thought that was one of the strongest storytelling
(52:46):
choices that they made here, So I'm excited. We're going
to continue to cover dared Evil Born Again on a
week to week basis in the next few episodes of
X ray Vision were of course also diving into bomju
Hun's Bomb who Knows latest film Mickey seventeen, And of
course our continuing coverage of Severance will roll on with
(53:08):
episodes episode two A Weight of Severance.
Speaker 2 (53:12):
That's it for this episode. Thanks for listening, Bye.
Speaker 1 (53:21):
X ray Vision is hosted by Jason Concepcion and Rosie
Knight and is a production of iHeart Podcasts.
Speaker 3 (53:26):
Our executive producers are Joel Monique and Aaron Kaufman.
Speaker 2 (53:30):
Our supervising producer is Abuzafar.
Speaker 3 (53:32):
Our producers are Common Laurent, Dean Jonathan and Bay Wag.
Speaker 1 (53:37):
Our theme song is by Brian Vasquez, with alternate theme
songs by Aaron Kaufman.
Speaker 3 (53:41):
Special thanks to Soul Rubin, Chris Lord, Kenny Goodman, and
Heidi Our discord moderate though
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Jason Concepcion
Rosie Knight
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