December 4, 2024 • 50 mins
Abu is joined by Jason and Rosie for a bull hunting trip. They break down episode three of Dune: Prophecy and explore the questionable storytelling choices of this series so far. Don’t worry, no hosts were poisoned in the making of this podcast.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Today's episode contains spoilers for Dune Prophecy Episode three, Sisterhood
Above All. Watch that first before you listen today.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Watch it, watch it, Watch it up.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
Hi, folks, I'm a Boo and I'm Jason and I'm
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(00:46):
out there unless they feel like they really want to
talk about it, like today, and then they're just gonna
be here. Jason, I'm excited to talk about.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
Dune yay, dude, promisely episode one of three.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
I need my aboo done.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
Lords without give us well good, That's what we're here
to do. So let's run through a recap of the
episode together and then we'll share some thoughts and then
if y'all have some Donelaurer questions for me, I can
do my best to answer. So Dune Prophecy Episode three,
Sisterhood Above All starts with Valia walking out of the palace.
(01:21):
As we saw in the last episode, she has been
laid off a tough gig.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
She's fighting, get by it, get out of you.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
She is, of course upset, but determined to get control
of this whole situation. We then flash back to young
Volyia and we visit for the first time of the
show and for the first time on screen in June
the planet Lanka Vail somewhere that how Stark I believe
would feel very at home, and we see the illustrious
Hearken in whale for industry at work.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
Good for them, it's going They're doing great.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
They're whalen.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
That whaling on the whale.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
That's where the money comes from. Baby, We're whaling on
a major, major galactic scale.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
Okay, aboo.
Speaker 4 (02:05):
Let me ask you a question that came to mind
when I was thinking about this. Yes, is that partially
why the Hoarckins are always restoring themselves and laying in
bathing in oil? Oh?
Speaker 2 (02:16):
Is that to do with the whales.
Speaker 4 (02:18):
And the kind of I always that was my first
thought was like, is this some kind of tradition from
the whale. You'll have to do some research and fill
me in on that one.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
That's a fun headcanon. I'll have to do some research,
but off the top of my head.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
No, I've always got a fun theory.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
Yeah, that's a very fun theory. Well, here on Linkaville,
at the whale shop, Falia buy some meat for dinner
and she returns home for dinner. Dinner at the harkanins
is tense. Guys. Young Valia clearly the black sheep of
the family, right, she's yelling at everyone. She says what
I think was actually a really good line. She says,
this complacency is a disease. And for folks who know Dune,
(02:57):
there's a major theme of warnings again, stagnation, to embrace chaos,
to embrace change. That's a big thing Frank Herbert was about.
And so I really liked that she said complacency is
a disease, very on brand thematically speaking.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
Maybe vals right, maybe Valias right.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
The rest of the family is very fine with living
off of whale, the whale for industry for the rest
of their lives, but she has greater ambitions obviously. This
is also the very first scene where we see Robert
Bobby b Brathian show up.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
This this I will admit it throws me. It's like
Margaddie's got along and illustrious career doing many many things.
I loved him in Jack Frost's Now Dad is better
than No Dad. I loved him in a million different
other pictures. I loved him in you know, A Night's Tale,
of course, I loved him. But David Thrones, I just
think he's got to go into a different vocal performance
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because I'm like, holy shit, it's Robert.
Speaker 4 (03:57):
I've seen the full Monty. I know, yeah, a different accent.
I know he's got a natural accent, but it is. Yeah,
it's like Robert Brathian in space.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
And you know what, that's probably why they cost him, Honestly.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
I mean I would tell you how they shit themselves
this wayeless delicious, thank you.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
Just slurping up that wheel.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
So yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
Valia storms after getting into this argument with the family
and ruining dinner. She storms out of the room. Her
brother Griffin follows her, and we then are at some
cliff overlooking a frozen river. And this is where we learned,
through some back and forth between the siblings, that Valia
had actually discovered the voice a power that we've watched
her use multiple times in the show, already during this
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traumatic event where Griffin fell into this river nearly drowned,
and she compelled him to move his muscles and swim
to safety, so we get an origin point for the voice.
This is slightly different from the book, but the broadbeats
are generally the same. In the book, it also involved
her brother.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
Do you want to give us the Yeah, what's the
book version?
Speaker 1 (05:00):
In the book version? It's honestly, I feel like the
show did a good job making it more emotionally resonant
because it connected it to the brother more directly. In
the book, Vallya has already been like honing and practicing
the voice. This is just something I think, Jason, in
our first conversation, you said, this is like an R
and D. Think she was a project she was doing
on the side. That's what she's doing in the book.
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She just knows it already by this point, and she
uses it to save her brother. Here, saving her brother
as like the inflection point of her discovering it for
the first time.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
I love that.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
Yeah, I think it was a good change.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
Yes, I have notes, but that's okay, we can continue.
Speaker 4 (05:36):
Yeah, I was gonna say it's interesting because I do
think it's very anti what we know of the Benny jedzureit.
You know, this having like this emotional relationship to your
family or doing something out of love. I think it
is not necessarily something that we would usually connect to
the Benny Jesuit or the voice.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
Definitely, so I do think it's an.
Speaker 4 (05:57):
Interesting change, but I also think that it does make
it more emotionally resonant.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
I also think I like the connection to family and
how that generated the voice. I also just my one note,
small note, is that it's too cost free. She has
this immense power and it cost her nothing. There's no
drawback at all, and that just feels not weighty enough.
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I would like it if there was some other thing
there's cost to this voice somehow.
Speaker 4 (06:29):
Also, it would be very bleak, but very interesting. If
she'd have been in an argument with her brother that
she loves and then she used the voice and accidentally
killed him or injured him or something like that because
she didn't know how to not compel him. That definitely
would have been an interesting Ringkle.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
Yeah, yeah, good notes. I agree. Well, we clearly see
in this conversation between them that Griffin and Vaalia are
affectionate toward each other. They seem to also have similar
ambitions to help house hearken in, climb the ranks of
power and get that respect back on their name. I
really hope nothing happens to Griffin the Lovely Brother.
Speaker 4 (07:07):
Yeah, definitely seems like that nothing could ever bad, could
happen enough would be absolutely great.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
I was also going to say maybe it was because
Mark Addy is there, King Bobby b. I also felt like, gosh,
brother and sister are very close, aren't they wonderful?
Speaker 2 (07:24):
Like that's allow of chemistry.
Speaker 4 (07:29):
These two, I will say, I do feel like they
did a great job of showing like how depressing it
was to be a howken in at this time.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
Well, yeah, living on whale World and everybody's like this
is great. Whale World is just like.
Speaker 4 (07:45):
In your cold ass stone house, like god terrible, just
eating out.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
Of your stone ball eating whale.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
It's like, what do we got today, whale or more whales?
Speaker 1 (07:56):
Put one piece of art up, you know, like one
splash of color.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
Up.
Speaker 4 (08:01):
Just something guys, somebody dressing it's something yellow colored or something.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
Put something green in the house.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
Red, like even red, guys. You've got a lot of
Whale Blood.
Speaker 4 (08:13):
I will say the interior design on the planet of
the Hockins Lancaveil Whale World is not delivery. I'm not
a fan of the esthetic. I'm a fan of the
esthetic as a viewer, but if I was living that,
I would hate it.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
So I get it. I do get While Vollia is like, guys, yeah,
we cannot be happy with this.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
She's like this is bad. Guys.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
Yeah, she's got a point, and you know, despite her
many faults, it is difficult not to cheer for her
somewhat because she does have a point.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
Well.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
Unfortunately, rip to our guy Griffin. We hardcut to him
just dead. We're at a funeral scene and we learn
here that Griffin had gone to confront warrin a treadees
the great rival that brought shame upon the Harkin In
House during the Machine Wars, and allegedly boring New Trade's
Murke disass.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
Whoops.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
And that's that's where we're.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
At now, Guys.
Speaker 4 (09:04):
I understand that, I'm sure there's gonna be some other reveal,
but I feel like you shouldn't do this off screen.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
There's a lot of this happening. There's a lot of
this thing happened off screen. I til like situations that
are having.
Speaker 4 (09:17):
But I will say I understand it's hard to do
an episode that is primarily flashbacks and keep the mystery.
I'm like, I understand that we're probably gonna reveal that
something else happened to Griffin.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
That's how it feels to me. But still him just dead.
Speaker 4 (09:31):
I'm not that invested in the how to Drain Your
Dragon look alike.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
Yeah, like for that to have a big impact, you know.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
Yeah, we do jump back to the present day. There's
only a couple of present day scenes in this episode.
This is one of them. The sisters have gathered and
they are very stressed. They're worried about what's gonna happen
now that they've all seemingly their jobs are at risk,
and Bollia is trying to take charge. She's giving out commands.
She's reassuring everyone, Hey, I'll handle this Corino thing. It's
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gonna be okay. Everyone just lock in and do your
jobs and we're gonna get out of this.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
We'll get out of it.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
Baby sister Mikayla that arrives with a text basically from
sister Tula informing them that Lila did not survive the
agony as we saw in the last episode. But silver
lining we got somewhat of a prophecy that rhymes Oh cool.
Speaker 3 (10:24):
That's important. If it doesn't rhyme, is it really a prophecy?
Speaker 1 (10:28):
I will say. In the scene, Volliat immediately jumps to
a conclusion and she's like, the prophecy is about Desmond Hurt. Obviously.
Speaker 3 (10:35):
I found that to be quite striking.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
Also, guys, yeah, he's not Jason Amoa. Guys, let's just
give it a break. He doesn't have the juice. He
does have the mentat juice.
Speaker 4 (10:44):
Potentially he has the psychic juice, but I don't know
if he has the leading character juice.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
Yeah, to me, that felt like it is now not
Desmond Heart. With how quickly Vally is jumping to that.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
Conclusion, I agree, Okay, that's I agree.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
The prophecy, at least, you know, is talking about someone else,
not Doesnmond Hard.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
I think it's gonna be Lilah obviously, yes, but that's
for another Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
Meanwhile, we cut back to Tula back on Wallach nine.
Tula is wrecked with guilt over Lilah's fate. She's standing
over Lilah, who is in a coma right now, and
one of the other sisters, sister Avila, comes in, comforts her,
offers her some spice tea, and gently, very gently reminds
her that there are more tough choices to be made.
(11:26):
You gotta pull the plug Onla. We know nobody survives
this coma. This is doing more harm than good.
Speaker 4 (11:33):
Yeah, I'm like, guys, there's free healthcare though. Just keep
her in that, Like, you don't need to pull the plug.
It's not costing you any money.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
I'm just saying it's really you know, I know it's
really hard. You want me to do it, I'll do it.
I'll chock her out whatever right right away, and I'll
deal with this, like just saying you don't have to
do it. I know you guys were clean.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
I'll do it.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
Yeah. Well, after that, we return to another flashback once more,
where now with a young Tula who is on a
family hunting trip with her new hunk of a boyfriend,
Or who we will learn more about shortly. At this
bull hunting trip, she's nervous about meeting the family. We
get a sense that they haven't done the meet the
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parents yet. They're not at that stage of the relationship,
and this is Tula's first time meeting ORI's family. She
shows this young a Tredes boy how to skin and
prepare the bait so they can lure the salution bull.
When suddenly they hear a commotion nearby. This is giving
very Carolter, Frivia and roach. But Aori's horse has broken
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its leg. There's no men to get at this point.
It's better to put the poor creature out of its misery,
and Ori is prepared to stab his horse when she
stops him, runs back to her workstation, grabs that poison
from the bait, and it peacefully ends the poor animal's life.
Speaker 4 (12:49):
Uh subtle foreshadowing spiceful of pain and let him die.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
She said, come jabah.
Speaker 3 (12:59):
Yet another again. Why this episode is like crossing my
wires so strongly. It's another hunting accident in which Mark
Addy is in the episode. Here we go again.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
It's true, yeah, plus a horse. Something that like really
gave me cognitive dissonance was seeing a horse in a
forest on a dune show on like a sci fi show,
and it threw me off. It was really giving like
fantasy show, very willow of that somebody had pointed out
to me that like the vibe of this forest scene
was giving Wheel of Time. I haven't watched the Wheel
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of Time?
Speaker 3 (13:37):
Is Wheel of Time? Game of Thrones? I mean they're
leaning into the Game of Thrones tones, Yes, very strongly
in this episode, and more strongly I think than any
episode to date.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
Oh definitely.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
The sister who is generously offering to kill Lila for Tula,
in fact has that where there stark accent, that northern
England accent is piping out of her to the point
that I'm like, god, worre wow, what we're leaning into it?
Speaker 4 (14:10):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (14:10):
I think they were like, well, mark out, you's here
a baby.
Speaker 4 (14:13):
Yeah, so let's make those Game of Thrones comparisons.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
Yeah, we're gonna jump to what felt to me very
much like a school of witchcraft and wizardry. Yeah, but
we stay within the flashback. We cut to Wallack nine,
where Valia has been sent post Griffin death, and we
see young Vollia be quite rebellious as a student, questioning
her professor Dorotea, clearly getting on Dorotea's nerves. To me,
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it's giving very Harry Potter sever a snape energy.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
That was immediately where I went it's hard nothing.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
Yeah, hard not to make that comparison. Later on, all
of the young trainees in this ceremony outside commit to
letting go of their pasts and pledging themselves to the Sisterhood.
Sisterhood above all, they say before being allowed back to
the school, all except Falia, who remains standing, who remains
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conflicted out in the cold, crying, shivering late into the night.
Even Dorite is like, I got stuff to do.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
I cannot come on, we got it, let's pack it in,
come on.
Speaker 4 (15:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
She ends up staying out there for the entire day,
seemingly until nightfall. When Mother Raquella arrives and has a
little one on one with Valia. She's like, forget about
the vow for a second, just come inside yours cold talk,
and Mother Riquella in this instance also witnesses the voice
for the first time, so instantly Vali is an important
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character in her life as well.
Speaker 4 (15:40):
Okay, I will say, mm I think this is the
most important moment of the episode, and I do think
that it gives the title a very interesting double meaning,
because we basically see here that the Hearkenin's like they
just really want revenge and I think like Fahllia not
wanting to take the bow and let go of all
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of her allegiances is setting up this idea of the
Benny jeser At more of an awe as an arm
of like.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
The Hawkenuns than it's fascinating on the value and Tula.
Speaker 4 (16:12):
You know, I do think that there is this kind
of war but inside her about can I really give
up my allegiances because I actually really just want to
do this to get the power back from my family.
Speaker 3 (16:24):
Yeah, it's quite interesting, especially considering that we know but
in the present timeline that you know, Valia is by
now rejecting every harcone in advance to like get them
a sister truth there. That said, I do feel like
we need something. This is a world in which behavioral
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programming is like the basis of a lot of these guilts,
you know, the mentets and the Sisterhood. Later Paul Trates
undergoes like various things like this. I think it's got
to be something stronger than oath because I feel like
if I was one of the other houses in the lands, right,
I'd be like, yeah, don't give me in a harconin.
I don't want a Harconin as might unless there's some
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kind of like ironclad behavioral programming that goes into it.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
Yeah, more like a trial or something.
Speaker 3 (17:15):
I wish there was more something like that rather than Hey,
you're just gonna promise. Hey, we know you're your Harconin
or you're in a trade's or wherever you come from,
but just promise me would stand out here in the
cold for like three hours and promise me that it's
gonna be sisterhood above all, and there's gonna be no
conspiratorial leadings. You're not going to be carrying out the
ambitions of your family through the sisterhood. Just promise. I
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think we need something stronger than just a promise.
Speaker 4 (17:40):
Yeah, okay, I will ask you a question a boot
and we'll do it like jeopardy. I asked you the question,
and then we go to ad break and then you
can answer off towards but like fun.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
But this is the very early.
Speaker 4 (17:52):
Days of the Sisterhood, right, so there's a chance that
they have something else, Right, there's something later on, and
then you can answer that in a more full and
the both way.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
When we come back from that.
Speaker 4 (18:07):
Back, I'm I back aboo, tell us about is that
something like Jason is us does that a ka lata?
Speaker 2 (18:27):
Is that something that we see set up? Or is
it always just this?
Speaker 4 (18:31):
And obviously I feel bad when we say Jedi ESQ
or sith esque because really all that stuff.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
Was taken from Frank Haba. But is it really just
this vow?
Speaker 4 (18:39):
Well?
Speaker 3 (18:39):
I think a good example would be doctor Huey in
the First Dune, Yeah, where it's absolutely shocking to everyone
that a doctor's ethical programming could be overcome in a
way would allow him to stab his ruler in the
back in the way that he has. That's utterly shocking, right,
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And so I find myself just wishing there was some
kind of mechanism like this for these characters who are
immediately seemingly going to be put into very sensitive positions
of advising rulers.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
Yes. And the answer to that actually is that Frank
himself didn't really get into that until books five and
six of the six doing books that he wrote. Oh okay,
And by the time we get into books five and six,
things are so dramatically different. The universe has been shaken
by many spoilerfic things that I won't say, but we
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finally see the inside inner workings of the Benny Jesuit,
which is great, and I think the show is doing
a pretty okay job trying to model some of that.
But even there, there is no sort of like indoctrination
laid out in the books, even in books five and
six that lays out, Oh, okay, these sisters are like
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ironclad indoctrinated into this sisterhood. The assumption, and I think
this show is assuming. We're assuming this too, but the
assumption is like it's part of their training. All of
those books in that library that we keep cutting back
to are part of teaching them why the Sisterhood's mission
is the only mission that matters, and so presumably their
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training is what convinces them this is the life they
should be living. But we don't see that.
Speaker 4 (20:20):
To be fair, Also, do you this is more of
like a academic like as a student of June, do
you feel like Frank left that vague so that there
was space for the potential for betrayal or people to
have their own agenda outside of the Bena Jesua.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
Yes, that is in fact what the entire fifth book
is about, which is called Heretics of Doone Yes, and
the entire book follows the Benny Jesuit and in fact
follows Splinter. I'm kind of walking on eggshells here for
spoiler reasons, but follows just like certain characters who are heretics,
who are going against the dogma of the Sisterhood.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
Interesting.
Speaker 3 (20:56):
I think what's intriguing about heretics in that late stuff.
And another thing that I really find myself like grasping
for in the show and not quite finding is that
paranoia and the way that those books depict conspiracy as
a tightly held secret that is like a missing piece
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in a lot of interesting questions like why is this
decision made? Why is this decision made? I think one
of the things that I think this is a note
too many people know what the Sisterhood is up to.
Within the Sisterhood, I think it's even down to like
the lowly acolytes, they all know, yeah, we've got to
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have that just be like Tula Vallia and like maybe
one other person and that's it. There's too many of
these meetings where sisters from the other lands, right, are like, oh, yeah,
we've got to keep the scheme going. It's like they
shouldn't not everybody should know about it. Yeah, and I
think that's what's cool about those later books, is like
how it depicts, yes, how you would need to put
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a conspiracy into motion within these larger guild structures in
order for it to be effective. And I think that's
one of the things I wish some of the sisters
didn't know what the fuck was going on. I wish
they were yeah, more in the dark than they are.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
Yeah, and in fact, in Heretics it's actually this is
one of the things Frank made explicit in the book.
Speaker 3 (22:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
Compartmentalization is like how the Sisterhood runs, right, and they
will have parallel schemes, like two sisters will be scheming
toward a thing, not knowing that the other sisters also
scheming toward that same thing. They will have just like
backup sisters doing backup plans just in case plans A
and B fall through, and so it is very like
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need to know. But there is even in those books this, well,
the Mother Superior told me to do this, so I'm
going to do it. I don't really know why I'm
doing this, but sisterhood above all. Yeah, Okay, let's get
back to our recap and back to this episode.
Speaker 4 (22:56):
Well, this is I just want to say, this is
actually very good place to come back to it because
we're talking about that difference between sisterhood of Bubble and
the clear drive of the Hearkenings to get back what
they wanted, and we joined back at a place where
that is big reveal.
Speaker 1 (23:10):
Yeah, this is the big reveal of this episode. We're
back with the bowl hunting trip back with young Tula
and Or, and our guy Or is smitten.
Speaker 2 (23:20):
Oh, he's so in love, drops.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
To his knees. It hasn't even been a year. I mean,
I guess if you know, you know. But he proposes.
He proposes to Tula and starts envisioning their beautiful future
life together, which is got to be rough on Tula.
They have sex, So we're now three for three on
to have episodes and sex scenes, got to have it
and the tradees outside. By this time we learned that
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they are a trades because they're chanting their name. They
are performing some sort of hunting ritual outside.
Speaker 3 (23:49):
They love those bulls, love those bulls.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
Tula the next morning reveals to Or the truth of
her name. She is not Tula Veil, she is Tula
Harkenin and to his credit. Or takes this really well.
He's quite compassionate, he's understanding.
Speaker 4 (24:08):
He's like, I'm sick of this centuries old feud. Yeah,
we don't need that. I'm in love with you, and
this has been a great night.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
Nothing could go wrong. Like from here we can maybe
bring our families together. This is gonna be great.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
Yeah, yeah, it's really I mean, this was one of
my favorite moments in the episode because it is like
quite poignant stuff about like how feuds and especially like
old feuds that are just like they feed on myth
at some point, like you don't even remember what the
fuck we're fighting about anymore. We just know we're supposed
to fight each other.
Speaker 4 (24:40):
And especially for the younger generations, it's essentially irrelevant.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
You're so distant from that exactly. Yeah, it doesn't affect
you at all. So Or has this space to be like,
who cares about this feud? Yeah, it shouldn't define our future.
Here's the healthy way we should move forward from this.
But obviously Tula, for her, the feud is like more present,
like she just lost her brother, I don't know, six months,
(25:05):
a year ago, whatever the timeline is. So for her,
the feud is happening right now. It's not a thing
that happened one hundred years ago. And we see that
she has actually it's actually too late. She has taken
the step of poisoning all of the trades outside with
the soup.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
And I like this. She was like, look at me, poison.
Speaker 4 (25:25):
You a hole?
Speaker 2 (25:26):
Suspicious at all?
Speaker 3 (25:28):
Where did I come from?
Speaker 2 (25:29):
Who am I? You know?
Speaker 3 (25:30):
How did I stow up here?
Speaker 2 (25:32):
Questions?
Speaker 4 (25:34):
Also, can I just say, if we're talking about Game
of Thrones, this is very red wedding.
Speaker 3 (25:39):
Oh yeah, oh yes, I mean red Betting, red betting.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
Oh well, poor Or also gets a gomjabar to the neck,
essentially tula, which I do think she is genuinely heartbroken
I don't think those tears are fake in any way.
She's genuinely heartbroken by this. But she is trapped in
her trauma and in this feud and in her grief
over her brother, I think. And so she kills Or.
(26:06):
But she does let that young boy from earlier get away,
and I have a feeling he might come back. We
really lingered on him along.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
I feel like that was a bad choice.
Speaker 4 (26:15):
Yeah, on like a you know, a strategic level, Like
I understand the moral choice, but I feel like that
boy is gonna come back and that's gonna bite you
in the gomjaba.
Speaker 3 (26:24):
Yeah, and you can't let Grover Tully escape play exactly exactly.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
We then returned to Wallach nine. We see that Valia
has now begun to thrive under Raquella's wing. She's been
taken into Raquella's confidence and is in fact, at this
point boasting to her friends that she's too much.
Speaker 3 (26:44):
She's next to line baby bas too motel anybody, but
it's me, Mabe, I got it.
Speaker 4 (26:51):
Well, I'm like I understand that they're setting it out
pare of as well of Fahya and Tula and the
two different sides, but also like I feel like Tula's
she's like a real one. Oh yeah, it comes to
what she has to get done, We'll go out and
get it done.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
Valia is all voice, all tall.
Speaker 4 (27:09):
Yeah, you know, like she's out here and she's just like,
I'm gonna be in line to be mother superior.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
Like, don't tell anyone. I'm like, babe, slap ha, this
is a bad boy.
Speaker 3 (27:18):
I know she's it's too much. She's got she does
lean on the voice Regina.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
Yeah, and to be fair. Her friends take it quite well.
I don't know if one of you compelled me to
slap someone.
Speaker 4 (27:32):
They're like, they seem started like you'd be like, guys,
that's fucked.
Speaker 3 (27:36):
Up, Like that fucked up? What did you just do?
They're like, oh, stop, please show us.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
I want to know how to slap someone with my mind.
Speaker 3 (27:44):
Show me the voice, please.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
I feel like I can't wait to compel people against
their will to do stuff. Show me how to do that.
But her girlfriends at school are very excited to learn
the voice, and Raquella is riding a high. She's gonna
she's definitely in the inner inner circle with Mother Kella.
At this point, we then cut to the agony chamber
that we saw from the last episode Fine. Mother Rackuella
(28:08):
is preparing to perform another agony, this time with dorote
on one side and Valia on the other. Clearly the
two potential successors, right, it's we're setting the stage. These
are the two that will potentially be Mother superior after me.
At the last second, though Volia chickens out, she backs out,
doesn't want to do the agony, runs out of the room.
(28:29):
Dorotea does seemingly go through with it. After this, Riquella
has another one on one with Voalia and she's clearly pissed.
I think she clearly did want Valia to rise to
the occasion and be the next Mother Superior, but now
her star pupil has shown her true colors, and Rickuella
gives her an ultimatum. I'm going to give you a
pass a weekend past to go back to Lankaville, figure
(28:51):
your family shit out, get rid of this baggage that's
holding you back from rising to the occasion, and come
back a reverend mother or not at all. Here's the point,
and that.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
Could kill you, by the way, hey guy.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
So with that ultimatum in minds, Folia goes back to Lakeville.
She talks to her sister Tula informs her that the
job is done. Both of them are clearly emotional about it.
And Tula, I think, is she's clearly like the good
cop you know from the sisters, We're getting like a
very good cop, bad cop energy and Tula even.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
Though she just committed like a mathmader, totally.
Speaker 3 (29:25):
A complete mass murder based on well, I mean, they
do say that the Treades killed one of their family
members first, and also there's the issue of the bad
PR related to the Butleria Geehi that continues to hang
over the family that said killing like a mass murder.
I feel like it is also bad PR. But let's
neither hear nor there.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
Like the Hockins do just.
Speaker 4 (29:46):
Have bad vibes as well, Like I feel like the
show is not dispelling the Hawk but.
Speaker 3 (29:51):
Is not at all dispelling the notion that the Hearkens
are bad.
Speaker 1 (29:55):
No, not at all, I will say, though. Her family
quite upset. They're like, no, love, did you commit mass
murder because your sister told you to?
Speaker 2 (30:03):
What? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (30:04):
And they're annoyed. They're annoyed that Valia's back. A tense
confrontation takes place between Valia and her mother, and once
again to Jason's point, we're leaning on the voice quite
a bit. Valia she does the whole take out your
knife thing in a tense moment with her mother, wild
but is able to walk out of the room before
it gets to the stabbing stage.
Speaker 4 (30:23):
Also, I do find this again very interesting setting up,
Like Tula is more willing to do dirty what needs
to be done, but Valia is she doesn't want to
do the dirty work. And also she is finding that
split from her family and more towards that sisterhood, whereas
Tula like, she won't do it, yeah if you tell
(30:44):
us she needs to do it, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
Which we to be fair, I think we saw in
the last episode she can convinced a child to do
a thing that was clearly going to lead to her death,
and so Tula did make that tough choice there mm hm.
After this confrontation with the mother, this pushes value over
the edge. She's ready to break ties with her family
(31:06):
and she goes out to the point I believe where
she was talking to Griffin earlier and takes the Russick poison,
undergoes the agony solo dola, which, to be fair, law wise,
that is tough. That is difficult. Nobody does that on
their own. To do it in a controlled environment with
your sisters around you to support you, that in and
(31:26):
of itself is nearly impossible. So to do it alone
out in the wild, it's pretty bold. She does survive
the agony thanks to Tula arriving and and what I
thought was actually quite a beautiful moment, she follows her
sister's voice like out of the agony and is able
to awaken.
Speaker 4 (31:43):
I thought that was very cool, and I also felt
like that gave us some insight into how people survive
the agony at all.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
It is to do it that sisterhood.
Speaker 4 (31:53):
And that knowing that you're not alone in it, kind
of like what you said about the Rossac poison, like
doing it by yourself.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
A good moment between the two of them.
Speaker 1 (32:02):
I agree, and the sisters both decide that they're ready
for a new life. They're going to return to Wallach
nine together. I guess Tula just gets admission because her
sister's already at the school.
Speaker 3 (32:12):
The legacy is the legacy. A lot of elite universities
do the exact same.
Speaker 2 (32:17):
Thing, colleges, a lot of the great colleges.
Speaker 1 (32:20):
And they make the promise to each other that this
will be a fresh start for them. We're leaving this
family baggage behind and with our new family now, the sisterhood.
We then cut back to the present day to wrap
up this episode. The accolytes gather to say goodbye to Lilah.
In a ceremony that gets quite tense. Sister Jen calls
out Tula basically for being complicit in Lila's death. Here,
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she questions what the purpose of any of this was
wasn't even helpful at all? What was this sacrifice for?
Sister reveal it to be fair, jumps in to support Tula.
I did like seeing the elder sisters support each other
in this way. H After the sisters say they're goodbyes,
Tula takes those things off of Lila's temples, seemingly ending
her life, which we'll find out very shortly it is untrue.
(33:07):
But real quick, we cut back to Selucia Secundus, and
Volia does what every millennial had to do when they
lost their job in the pandemic. We turn home and
ask for help from mom and dad.
Speaker 2 (33:16):
Who knew this would be so relatable.
Speaker 3 (33:18):
By the way, will whale planet looking good.
Speaker 2 (33:22):
Looks like things that crab? Well, then I'm like, maybe.
Speaker 3 (33:25):
Things have gotten better on whale work.
Speaker 4 (33:27):
Maybe you guys made the wrong choice because it's looking
kind of nice.
Speaker 1 (33:30):
It's not a cushy job, but it's a lucrative one.
Speaker 2 (33:33):
Yeah. Perhaps.
Speaker 1 (33:34):
We cut back to wallach Nin and Tula for our
final scene of the episode. A big reveal here. We
learned that Tula has secretly put Lila in a spice
bocta tank, basically and they're in this genetic archive room,
which we've been hinting at this whole show. We finally
see it from the inside. Final she speaks to an
AI which the subtitles told us is named Annul, and
(33:59):
the camera pants out and we see all of this
forbidden technology and AI stuff in this room here, and
then we cut to credits.
Speaker 4 (34:07):
Okay, I have another question for you before we cut
to ask nice, is that canon to the Sisterhood of
June book?
Speaker 2 (34:15):
Do this?
Speaker 4 (34:15):
Have the sisters always been using Butlerrian technology.
Speaker 3 (34:19):
PlayStations and xboxes?
Speaker 4 (34:22):
Exactly have they been playing Animal Crossing on the switch?
Speaker 2 (34:25):
You can tell us the answer after a message from
our sponsors.
Speaker 4 (34:32):
Yeah, and we're back aboo reveal the truth about Yeah,
the Benny Jesuit.
Speaker 1 (34:49):
Well, I mean, the truth is that Riquella's Animal Crossing
Island was fire, the decorations were amazing.
Speaker 2 (34:56):
She was hosting meet ups for the other sisters.
Speaker 1 (34:58):
Yeah, honestly, Tom owed her money. That's how good she
was at Animal Crossing. Yes, they've been using technology like
this secretly since their conception. Basically, they've been breaking the
restrictions of the Butler range had since day one. Oh wow,
So this is Gannon. Yes, this is in the books.
It's in the prequel books. It's actually in Frank Kerbert's
(35:20):
books as well. We learn it all the way in
book five again Heretics of Doune, we learned that the
sisters have for their breeding program have been using computers.
Do you calculate all of that and do all their scheming?
Speaker 3 (35:30):
I absolutely love it? Okay, what do we think of
this show?
Speaker 1 (35:34):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (35:34):
Three episodes in let us discuss now a Boot as
the law master. Yeah, where are we with this?
Speaker 1 (35:42):
Man? I am mixed? Yeah, we are three episodes into
a six episode season, which is scary because I feel
like we have still not found our footing. When we
are halfway through a first season, I think I will
say to maybe start with things I liked. I thought
the writing of this episode better than the first two.
(36:03):
Less like exposition, heavy, less relying on just like plot
Domino's falling, so the next plot Domino can fall. I
think we got some good emotional stakes and a nice
emotional journey for our sisters. We finally have an answer
to who our main characters are Tula Vallia. We get
a little bit of a sense of like these are
maybe the people we can cheer for or against and
(36:25):
be emotionally invested in.
Speaker 4 (36:26):
Yeah, I was just gonna say, does anyone feel I
feel like this could have been the first episode?
Speaker 2 (36:30):
Yes, I feel like it. I feel like it would
have been cool. The show is called Sister of June.
Speaker 4 (36:36):
I think it would have been interesting to get to
know these characters and their life and see that what
led them to the Banny Jesuit. I also did like
to see more Dorotea stuff. Yeah, I always like to
see U popop because I think that I didn't love
that opening kind of way we open and introduce Vallia.
Speaker 2 (36:55):
And kill Dorotea.
Speaker 4 (36:56):
But sorry, I boo go on because I do think
this is not a perfect episode, but I do feel
like it gave me so much more insights to who
these characters were before we start their journey.
Speaker 1 (37:05):
Absolutely, and in fact, I'm glad you brought that up, Rosi,
because honestly, my big takeaway walking away from this episode
was I like this one a lot, and I would
have preferred it earlier, Like I almost would have shuffled
the episode orders around a little bit with it, And
obviously that requires some like resequencing of scenes to make
things make sense whatever, But this emotional core of Volia Tula,
(37:26):
I need it earlier. So the rest of what's happening
in the Palace with Carino and Kira, Natred's and whatever,
all of that has much more weight to it once
I understand, yeah, what it means to Tula and Valia.
So I'm mixed on the show. I'm obviously as a
Dune fan, I'm going to see it through to the end.
I'm still trying to let the show tell me its story.
(37:46):
Maybe there's some incredible stuff to come in four five
and six. I like things in isolation. I like certain scenes,
I like certain lore things they're dipping into. But it's
still the larger picture is still a bit rough around
the edges from me. What about you too?
Speaker 2 (38:03):
Yeah, Jason, you had some good notes. How about you?
How are you feeling halfway through the season.
Speaker 3 (38:07):
I'm basically the same as a boot I think that
there is a good show here, and I think that
I am actually quite hopeful that it will emerge as
the momentum of the story takes hold and we have
to commit to a timeline. Yes, I think that for me,
it's two flashback laden and I feel like we'll move
(38:29):
past that, you know. I think that the stuff that's happening,
for instance, in the present timeline with the Riches's and
the wedding Chesy is the wedding that's fallen apart this
mysterious visitor from Iracus. That to me is like really
meaty stuff. And I think, like, all of the here's
how the sisterhood happened, here's how value Atulia got there.
(38:50):
Despite the fact that I think the emotional stuff from
this episode, which was a lot of the flashback material,
was really median good, I'm less interested in this stuff
that happened in the past and more interested in this
current timeline, which I thought is really interesting. And I
feel and I'm missing the momentum of that now that
(39:10):
we've spent so much time away from it. Like we
got some of this like crazy stuff happening and the
death of the Duke of Chesy Sun and the mystery
of the mirroring deaths by fire that is seemingly Desmond
Hart has managed to and gender and so like what
does that mean? And it feels strange to me to
like step backwards and do that stuff.
Speaker 4 (39:31):
Yeah, that's what I think about, hypothetically, reordering the episodes. Yeah,
because I feel like there's a version where this doesn't
feel like a flashback. It feels like an introduction and
then your on Wallock nine, Boom, here's where we are now.
Speaker 2 (39:43):
Because you're right, when you do think about that first episode.
Speaker 4 (39:46):
Now, all the wild stuff that they set in place,
it does seem.
Speaker 2 (39:51):
Mad to move away from that momentum. Yeah, I don't know.
I like any show that's about wheeling and dealing.
Speaker 4 (40:00):
And yeah, prophecies and all that, so it's enjoyable. But
I do think the funny thing is about the show.
I think if we were still living in the era
of like a Riverdale, right, which obviously this show would
not have such fantastic production value. But if this show
is gonna have twenty four episodes, I'd be like, hey,
we're off the kind of a good start, enough dig
into that. If it was old school, I would be like,
(40:22):
I think that by the end we could be coming
out with one of the best finales of the year.
Speaker 3 (40:26):
But six episodes exactly, even if the six episodes is
like the Gombar hanging over the next.
Speaker 4 (40:33):
Exactly, even if there's three fantastic episodes, I don't know
if they're going to be able to tie it up
in a bow or leave us in a place where
we feel like the things we need to be answered
have been answered. And also, I guess in a show
that is a prequel but is also jumping around timelines,
but is also connected to two movies, I also think
(40:57):
a show that this has to almost prove it existence.
Speaker 2 (41:00):
Yeah, why does it exist?
Speaker 1 (41:02):
Yes, that's what I was going to say. Like, I'm
no TV producer, so maybe I'm talking out of my
ass here, But like, as someone who covers the industry
a lot, I understand that there's maybe a multi season plan.
But to get to the second and third season and
get the checks to make the rest of your show,
you do have to really prove yourself in the first season.
(41:22):
We live in a media landscape where it just has
to be banger after banger after banker. You know, you
cannot wait, yees.
Speaker 2 (41:28):
Streaming does not allow. But the first season that doesn't
deliver anymore.
Speaker 1 (41:33):
It doesn't allow for that. You know, we don't live
in a world where like Parks and Rext, season one
can be like trash. But it's okay.
Speaker 2 (41:38):
Because season four is iconic.
Speaker 1 (41:40):
Right, You'll get the runway to be iconic eventually, you
have to be iconic now. And I'm worried this show
is improving itself in that way.
Speaker 2 (41:48):
To that end.
Speaker 3 (41:49):
And I know I mentioned this before, but I feel
like the missed opportunity to this point, and it may emerge.
I think it could emerge, the missed opportunity to meet
at this point in terms of bringing out like the
central character of the Dune universe as it exists in
the films and in the books is that we've got
the machinations and the kind of chess moves, but there's
(42:10):
like a deeper level of paranoia that to me is done.
That's done to me is there's pieces moving, but I
don't know why, and I don't know why these people
are doing this, and I'm not sure that they know
why they are carrying out the conspiracy also, And I
know it sounds like a small thing when I'm like,
too many sisters know what's going on, but I really
(42:32):
feel like that's I wish the information was more tightly
held in this show, and that even Volia would not
be sure like I don't know why, I'm I don't
quite know why we're doing it this way, but I
feel like we have to, and I feel like if
they could drill down into that paranoia more, then you
(42:52):
have a I think, a really interesting show, because what
you have is the sisterhood that is somehow managed despite
the fact that the people involved in the sisterhood are
from famous families that are competing, and yet you have
a Harconen next to the emperor. You have like all
of these figures from other families getting to advise other families,
(43:14):
and yet the intersecting lines of why that might not
be a good idea or somehow like papered over. I
wish that stuff would come more to the surface and
the questions about can we trust this group? Yes, you
can trust them because they have given us these assurances
and they but what do we think of these assurances?
And I wish those kind of conversations were more at
(43:36):
the forefront. And I think if you had those things
at the forefront, we wouldn't have to like spend time
flashing back to why did Voluntelia come here and what
are the things that happened? Like, I think you could
get lost in this paranoia. That, to me, again is
what Doune is about. Dune is about political machinations and
not knowing what people's intentions are and to end this
(44:00):
story as it exists. Too many people know what the
story is. Yeah, is just too much that is known
throughout the story.
Speaker 4 (44:08):
I was thinking about how cool it would be if
this had been like edited or told like a conspiracy thriller,
because I feel like, when you watch this show, it
has that stoic, slow moving Game of Thrones vibe, but one,
we only have six episodes, and also it's not Game
of Thrones. Having that paranoia, that conspiracy element would have
(44:31):
brought a tone to it that would have maybe been
a little bit more gripping or a little bit more
of a given you more of a feeling when you
watch it, other than being like, oh, this obviously costs
a lot of money. It looks good, but I don't
feel like it necessarily gives you that. Think about the
Red Wedding, like the dread in the lead up to
the reveal is so huge in yourself and do those movies.
(44:53):
There are multiple times in those films where I feel
like deeply unsettled, and it is rare for me to
be enraptured in like an emotion like that. While I
watched this show, and it would have been really cool
if the emotion had been paranoia or fear or yeah,
some kind of insight into what the women involved in
this field.
Speaker 3 (45:11):
Yeah, And just to quickly talk about your observation, Rosie,
like of the six episodes versus twenty four Old School
twenty four, I think one of the ways this pops
up is that, I mean, as a Boo noted and
as you noted in wanting this episode to be the
first episode, it's because it sets the emotional stakes for
our characters. Is that too many times thus far in
these three episodes, it's been character doing something and then
(45:35):
the reveal of why, what the emotional motivation for that
happens much later, way too later, And I think we
need to just I think those things need to be flipped.
I need to understand what the character wants, what is
the want, what is the why are you doing this stuff?
And then let the pieces fall into place and you understand,
you know, you could set up the actions later. And
(45:58):
so that to me is just like a weird that
feels like something you do if you add twenty four
episodes instead of six. But I do feel like I
feel like there's a good show here still if it
has not yet emerged.
Speaker 4 (46:10):
Yeah, I think it's got the pieces for a good show.
I would just like to see them yet. Yeah, a
little bit shaken around before they're put back on the
chest board.
Speaker 2 (46:18):
And we do know this show had a.
Speaker 4 (46:19):
Lot of production issues as well, which I also think
is often why maybe it feels a little bit chopped up.
Speaker 2 (46:26):
But yeah, I'm interested to see where it goes. We're
halfway in.
Speaker 4 (46:29):
Who knows, maybe the second half of that season is
NonStop bangers. Maybe it's the non stop bangers we need,
I hope.
Speaker 1 (46:35):
So Okay, to round out today's episode, I'm just going
to very quickly run through some lower Easter eggs from
this episode. This is not a comprehensive list, but just
some of the ones that stood out to me. Starting
with fur whales. Let's talk about our furry friends here
for a second. These are canonical. They exist in the book.
They're sometimes referred to as John Dax, but more commonly
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they're just referred to as for we just literally fur whales,
thank you. We're told from the books that the fur
whales are quite dangerous, especially when they're being hunted. They
are majestic creatures and quote dive deep into cold waters
and escape, or they could turn on a pursuing boat
an inflict serious damage end quote. So will hunting a
(47:17):
pretty tough gig. I think we also see whale fers
mentioned in the original Dune as well, not just the
Brian Herbert prequel novels. Duke Lato in the very first
book actually, when he's explaining to Paul what chom is
and how the economy of the Imperium works, mentions that
whalefer is one of the more sought after commodities that
is bought and sold. And in the appendices actually we
(47:39):
get this quote that explains the canonical hearken in Whalefer connection. Quote.
The return of house hearken In to power generally is
ascribed to adroit manipulation of the whale fer market and
later a consolidation with Milange whale from Aracus end quote.
As we saw in the vill Nuff films, they have
a Racus.
Speaker 2 (47:55):
By that way, whale canning, whale world.
Speaker 1 (47:58):
It's all cannon and that's where the money's at. Move
your money from crypto into whalefer. Okay, next up, I'm
not going to say too much about this because I
want to not get into potential spoiler territory that might
come up in the show itself. But we've heard Vori
to trades a number of times now, and we learned
today that he allegedly killed Griffin Harkinen and we get
(48:20):
throwaway lines about this guy. He's still very elusive. People
are just mentioning him. He has apparently showed up after
disappearing for a while. We learn I think actually Bobby
b tells us that a little bit of information, and
this is true. In the book, there's a lot of
chapters from Vorian's perspective. He's like exiled himself after the
war basically to go live a life of peace, and
(48:42):
then is pulled back in for one more gig or whatever.
I don't want to say too much because we might
see some of that in the show, but super long
Vorian story short. Basically, in the book, Griffin is not
killed by Vorian and is killed through a series of
other random events. And so that's why I keep saying
allegedly killed by Vorian on today's episode, because if we
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are sticking to book, there may be a reveal to
come that something else actually happened, and it wasn't at
the hands of Orian Atradees that was.
Speaker 4 (49:11):
My guy anyway, especially with what to how hard Tula
went afterwards, I felt, yes, that would end up being
yes regreted.
Speaker 1 (49:19):
So canonically in the book, something different does happen, and
I'm not gonna say what. Maybe the show will get
there on its own in the next few episodes. The
last quick little bit of lare I wanted to call
out is for folks who have seen the Villa films,
we know that iconic knife salute that Duncan Idaho and
paul A trades due to each other, and it was cool.
It's like a blink blink and you'll miss it moment,
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But when the Atrades are around the fire and doing
the body paint, they are also doing that forehead salute
to each other. So I thought that was a nice
little touch and another connection to vill Love's films, connecting
the treats. So there's a little bit of lor today.
Speaker 2 (49:54):
Thanks the br Thank you, appreciate you.
Speaker 1 (49:55):
Not a problem. On tomorrow's episode of X Ray Vision,
you two are going to be going through your twenty
twenty four books and comics round up the best of
the year. Best year, I am very much looking forward
to that, but that's it for today's episode. Jason, Rosie,
thank you so much for joining me.
Speaker 3 (50:11):
Always a blast, Thanks for having us, Bye bye bye.
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Speaker 4 (50:40):
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and Heidi our discoord moderator.
Today's episode contains spoilers for Dune Prophecy Episode three, Sisterhood
Above All. Watch that first before you listen today.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Watch it, watch it, Watch it up.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
Hi, folks, I'm a Boo and I'm Jason and I'm
Rosie and welcome to x ray Vision Extras and x
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out there unless they feel like they really want to
talk about it, like today, and then they're just gonna
be here. Jason, I'm excited to talk about.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
Dune yay, dude, promisely episode one of three.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
I need my aboo done.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
Lords without give us well good, That's what we're here
to do. So let's run through a recap of the
episode together and then we'll share some thoughts and then
if y'all have some Donelaurer questions for me, I can
do my best to answer. So Dune Prophecy Episode three,
Sisterhood Above All starts with Valia walking out of the palace.
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As we saw in the last episode, she has been
laid off a tough gig.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
She's fighting, get by it, get out of you.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
She is, of course upset, but determined to get control
of this whole situation. We then flash back to young
Volyia and we visit for the first time of the
show and for the first time on screen in June
the planet Lanka Vail somewhere that how Stark I believe
would feel very at home, and we see the illustrious
Hearken in whale for industry at work.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
Good for them, it's going They're doing great.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
They're whalen.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
That whaling on the whale.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
That's where the money comes from. Baby, We're whaling on
a major, major galactic scale.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
Okay, aboo.
Speaker 4 (02:05):
Let me ask you a question that came to mind
when I was thinking about this. Yes, is that partially
why the Hoarckins are always restoring themselves and laying in
bathing in oil? Oh?
Speaker 2 (02:16):
Is that to do with the whales.
Speaker 4 (02:18):
And the kind of I always that was my first
thought was like, is this some kind of tradition from
the whale. You'll have to do some research and fill
me in on that one.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
That's a fun headcanon. I'll have to do some research,
but off the top of my head.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
No, I've always got a fun theory.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
Yeah, that's a very fun theory. Well, here on Linkaville,
at the whale shop, Falia buy some meat for dinner
and she returns home for dinner. Dinner at the harkanins
is tense. Guys. Young Valia clearly the black sheep of
the family, right, she's yelling at everyone. She says what
I think was actually a really good line. She says,
this complacency is a disease. And for folks who know Dune,
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there's a major theme of warnings again, stagnation, to embrace chaos,
to embrace change. That's a big thing Frank Herbert was about.
And so I really liked that she said complacency is
a disease, very on brand thematically speaking.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
Maybe vals right, maybe Valias right.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
The rest of the family is very fine with living
off of whale, the whale for industry for the rest
of their lives, but she has greater ambitions obviously. This
is also the very first scene where we see Robert
Bobby b Brathian show up.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
This this I will admit it throws me. It's like
Margaddie's got along and illustrious career doing many many things.
I loved him in Jack Frost's Now Dad is better
than No Dad. I loved him in a million different
other pictures. I loved him in you know, A Night's Tale,
of course, I loved him. But David Thrones, I just
think he's got to go into a different vocal performance
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because I'm like, holy shit, it's Robert.
Speaker 4 (03:57):
I've seen the full Monty. I know, yeah, a different accent.
I know he's got a natural accent, but it is. Yeah,
it's like Robert Brathian in space.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
And you know what, that's probably why they cost him, Honestly.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
I mean I would tell you how they shit themselves
this wayeless delicious, thank you.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
Just slurping up that wheel.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
So yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
Valia storms after getting into this argument with the family
and ruining dinner. She storms out of the room. Her
brother Griffin follows her, and we then are at some
cliff overlooking a frozen river. And this is where we learned,
through some back and forth between the siblings, that Valia
had actually discovered the voice a power that we've watched
her use multiple times in the show, already during this
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traumatic event where Griffin fell into this river nearly drowned,
and she compelled him to move his muscles and swim
to safety, so we get an origin point for the voice.
This is slightly different from the book, but the broadbeats
are generally the same. In the book, it also involved
her brother.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
Do you want to give us the Yeah, what's the
book version?
Speaker 1 (05:00):
In the book version? It's honestly, I feel like the
show did a good job making it more emotionally resonant
because it connected it to the brother more directly. In
the book, Vallya has already been like honing and practicing
the voice. This is just something I think, Jason, in
our first conversation, you said, this is like an R
and D. Think she was a project she was doing
on the side. That's what she's doing in the book.
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She just knows it already by this point, and she
uses it to save her brother. Here, saving her brother
as like the inflection point of her discovering it for
the first time.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
I love that.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
Yeah, I think it was a good change.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
Yes, I have notes, but that's okay, we can continue.
Speaker 4 (05:36):
Yeah, I was gonna say it's interesting because I do
think it's very anti what we know of the Benny jedzureit.
You know, this having like this emotional relationship to your
family or doing something out of love. I think it
is not necessarily something that we would usually connect to
the Benny Jesuit or the voice.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
Definitely, so I do think it's an.
Speaker 4 (05:57):
Interesting change, but I also think that it does make
it more emotionally resonant.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
I also think I like the connection to family and
how that generated the voice. I also just my one note,
small note, is that it's too cost free. She has
this immense power and it cost her nothing. There's no
drawback at all, and that just feels not weighty enough.
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I would like it if there was some other thing
there's cost to this voice somehow.
Speaker 4 (06:29):
Also, it would be very bleak, but very interesting. If
she'd have been in an argument with her brother that
she loves and then she used the voice and accidentally
killed him or injured him or something like that because
she didn't know how to not compel him. That definitely
would have been an interesting Ringkle.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
Yeah, yeah, good notes. I agree. Well, we clearly see
in this conversation between them that Griffin and Vaalia are
affectionate toward each other. They seem to also have similar
ambitions to help house hearken in, climb the ranks of
power and get that respect back on their name. I
really hope nothing happens to Griffin the Lovely Brother.
Speaker 4 (07:07):
Yeah, definitely seems like that nothing could ever bad, could
happen enough would be absolutely great.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
I was also going to say maybe it was because
Mark Addy is there, King Bobby b. I also felt like, gosh,
brother and sister are very close, aren't they wonderful?
Speaker 2 (07:24):
Like that's allow of chemistry.
Speaker 4 (07:29):
These two, I will say, I do feel like they
did a great job of showing like how depressing it
was to be a howken in at this time.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
Well, yeah, living on whale World and everybody's like this
is great. Whale World is just like.
Speaker 4 (07:45):
In your cold ass stone house, like god terrible, just
eating out.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
Of your stone ball eating whale.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
It's like, what do we got today, whale or more whales?
Speaker 1 (07:56):
Put one piece of art up, you know, like one
splash of color.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
Up.
Speaker 4 (08:01):
Just something guys, somebody dressing it's something yellow colored or something.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
Put something green in the house.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
Red, like even red, guys. You've got a lot of
Whale Blood.
Speaker 4 (08:13):
I will say the interior design on the planet of
the Hockins Lancaveil Whale World is not delivery. I'm not
a fan of the esthetic. I'm a fan of the
esthetic as a viewer, but if I was living that,
I would hate it.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
So I get it. I do get While Vollia is like, guys, yeah,
we cannot be happy with this.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
She's like this is bad. Guys.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
Yeah, she's got a point, and you know, despite her
many faults, it is difficult not to cheer for her
somewhat because she does have a point.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
Well.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
Unfortunately, rip to our guy Griffin. We hardcut to him
just dead. We're at a funeral scene and we learn
here that Griffin had gone to confront warrin a treadees
the great rival that brought shame upon the Harkin In
House during the Machine Wars, and allegedly boring New Trade's
Murke disass.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
Whoops.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
And that's that's where we're.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
At now, Guys.
Speaker 4 (09:04):
I understand that, I'm sure there's gonna be some other reveal,
but I feel like you shouldn't do this off screen.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
There's a lot of this happening. There's a lot of
this thing happened off screen. I til like situations that
are having.
Speaker 4 (09:17):
But I will say I understand it's hard to do
an episode that is primarily flashbacks and keep the mystery.
I'm like, I understand that we're probably gonna reveal that
something else happened to Griffin.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
That's how it feels to me. But still him just dead.
Speaker 4 (09:31):
I'm not that invested in the how to Drain Your
Dragon look alike.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
Yeah, like for that to have a big impact, you know.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
Yeah, we do jump back to the present day. There's
only a couple of present day scenes in this episode.
This is one of them. The sisters have gathered and
they are very stressed. They're worried about what's gonna happen
now that they've all seemingly their jobs are at risk,
and Bollia is trying to take charge. She's giving out commands.
She's reassuring everyone, Hey, I'll handle this Corino thing. It's
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gonna be okay. Everyone just lock in and do your
jobs and we're gonna get out of this.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
We'll get out of it.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
Baby sister Mikayla that arrives with a text basically from
sister Tula informing them that Lila did not survive the
agony as we saw in the last episode. But silver
lining we got somewhat of a prophecy that rhymes Oh cool.
Speaker 3 (10:24):
That's important. If it doesn't rhyme, is it really a prophecy?
Speaker 1 (10:28):
I will say. In the scene, Volliat immediately jumps to
a conclusion and she's like, the prophecy is about Desmond Hurt. Obviously.
Speaker 3 (10:35):
I found that to be quite striking.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
Also, guys, yeah, he's not Jason Amoa. Guys, let's just
give it a break. He doesn't have the juice. He
does have the mentat juice.
Speaker 4 (10:44):
Potentially he has the psychic juice, but I don't know
if he has the leading character juice.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
Yeah, to me, that felt like it is now not
Desmond Heart. With how quickly Vally is jumping to that.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
Conclusion, I agree, Okay, that's I agree.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
The prophecy, at least, you know, is talking about someone else,
not Doesnmond Hard.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
I think it's gonna be Lilah obviously, yes, but that's
for another Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
Meanwhile, we cut back to Tula back on Wallach nine.
Tula is wrecked with guilt over Lilah's fate. She's standing
over Lilah, who is in a coma right now, and
one of the other sisters, sister Avila, comes in, comforts her,
offers her some spice tea, and gently, very gently reminds
her that there are more tough choices to be made.
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You gotta pull the plug Onla. We know nobody survives
this coma. This is doing more harm than good.
Speaker 4 (11:33):
Yeah, I'm like, guys, there's free healthcare though. Just keep
her in that, Like, you don't need to pull the plug.
It's not costing you any money.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
I'm just saying it's really you know, I know it's
really hard. You want me to do it, I'll do it.
I'll chock her out whatever right right away, and I'll
deal with this, like just saying you don't have to
do it. I know you guys were clean.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
I'll do it.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
Yeah. Well, after that, we return to another flashback once more,
where now with a young Tula who is on a
family hunting trip with her new hunk of a boyfriend,
Or who we will learn more about shortly. At this
bull hunting trip, she's nervous about meeting the family. We
get a sense that they haven't done the meet the
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parents yet. They're not at that stage of the relationship,
and this is Tula's first time meeting ORI's family. She
shows this young a Tredes boy how to skin and
prepare the bait so they can lure the salution bull.
When suddenly they hear a commotion nearby. This is giving
very Carolter, Frivia and roach. But Aori's horse has broken
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its leg. There's no men to get at this point.
It's better to put the poor creature out of its misery,
and Ori is prepared to stab his horse when she
stops him, runs back to her workstation, grabs that poison
from the bait, and it peacefully ends the poor animal's life.
Speaker 4 (12:49):
Uh subtle foreshadowing spiceful of pain and let him die.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
She said, come jabah.
Speaker 3 (12:59):
Yet another again. Why this episode is like crossing my
wires so strongly. It's another hunting accident in which Mark
Addy is in the episode. Here we go again.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
It's true, yeah, plus a horse. Something that like really
gave me cognitive dissonance was seeing a horse in a
forest on a dune show on like a sci fi show,
and it threw me off. It was really giving like
fantasy show, very willow of that somebody had pointed out
to me that like the vibe of this forest scene
was giving Wheel of Time. I haven't watched the Wheel
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of Time?
Speaker 3 (13:37):
Is Wheel of Time? Game of Thrones? I mean they're
leaning into the Game of Thrones tones, Yes, very strongly
in this episode, and more strongly I think than any
episode to date.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
Oh definitely.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
The sister who is generously offering to kill Lila for Tula,
in fact has that where there stark accent, that northern
England accent is piping out of her to the point
that I'm like, god, worre wow, what we're leaning into it?
Speaker 4 (14:10):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (14:10):
I think they were like, well, mark out, you's here
a baby.
Speaker 4 (14:13):
Yeah, so let's make those Game of Thrones comparisons.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
Yeah, we're gonna jump to what felt to me very
much like a school of witchcraft and wizardry. Yeah, but
we stay within the flashback. We cut to Wallack nine,
where Valia has been sent post Griffin death, and we
see young Vollia be quite rebellious as a student, questioning
her professor Dorotea, clearly getting on Dorotea's nerves. To me,
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it's giving very Harry Potter sever a snape energy.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
That was immediately where I went it's hard nothing.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
Yeah, hard not to make that comparison. Later on, all
of the young trainees in this ceremony outside commit to
letting go of their pasts and pledging themselves to the Sisterhood.
Sisterhood above all, they say before being allowed back to
the school, all except Falia, who remains standing, who remains
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conflicted out in the cold, crying, shivering late into the night.
Even Dorite is like, I got stuff to do.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
I cannot come on, we got it, let's pack it in,
come on.
Speaker 4 (15:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
She ends up staying out there for the entire day,
seemingly until nightfall. When Mother Raquella arrives and has a
little one on one with Valia. She's like, forget about
the vow for a second, just come inside yours cold talk,
and Mother Riquella in this instance also witnesses the voice
for the first time, so instantly Vali is an important
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character in her life as well.
Speaker 4 (15:40):
Okay, I will say, mm I think this is the
most important moment of the episode, and I do think
that it gives the title a very interesting double meaning,
because we basically see here that the Hearkenin's like they
just really want revenge and I think like Fahllia not
wanting to take the bow and let go of all
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of her allegiances is setting up this idea of the
Benny jeser At more of an awe as an arm
of like.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
The Hawkenuns than it's fascinating on the value and Tula.
Speaker 4 (16:12):
You know, I do think that there is this kind
of war but inside her about can I really give
up my allegiances because I actually really just want to
do this to get the power back from my family.
Speaker 3 (16:24):
Yeah, it's quite interesting, especially considering that we know but
in the present timeline that you know, Valia is by
now rejecting every harcone in advance to like get them
a sister truth there. That said, I do feel like
we need something. This is a world in which behavioral
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programming is like the basis of a lot of these guilts,
you know, the mentets and the Sisterhood. Later Paul Trates
undergoes like various things like this. I think it's got
to be something stronger than oath because I feel like
if I was one of the other houses in the lands, right,
I'd be like, yeah, don't give me in a harconin.
I don't want a Harconin as might unless there's some
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kind of like ironclad behavioral programming that goes into it.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
Yeah, more like a trial or something.
Speaker 3 (17:15):
I wish there was more something like that rather than Hey,
you're just gonna promise. Hey, we know you're your Harconin
or you're in a trade's or wherever you come from,
but just promise me would stand out here in the
cold for like three hours and promise me that it's
gonna be sisterhood above all, and there's gonna be no
conspiratorial leadings. You're not going to be carrying out the
ambitions of your family through the sisterhood. Just promise. I
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think we need something stronger than just a promise.
Speaker 4 (17:40):
Yeah, okay, I will ask you a question a boot
and we'll do it like jeopardy. I asked you the question,
and then we go to ad break and then you
can answer off towards but like fun.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
But this is the very early.
Speaker 4 (17:52):
Days of the Sisterhood, right, so there's a chance that
they have something else, Right, there's something later on, and
then you can answer that in a more full and
the both way.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
When we come back from that.
Speaker 4 (18:07):
Back, I'm I back aboo, tell us about is that
something like Jason is us does that a ka lata?
Speaker 2 (18:27):
Is that something that we see set up? Or is
it always just this?
Speaker 4 (18:31):
And obviously I feel bad when we say Jedi ESQ
or sith esque because really all that stuff.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
Was taken from Frank Haba. But is it really just
this vow?
Speaker 4 (18:39):
Well?
Speaker 3 (18:39):
I think a good example would be doctor Huey in
the First Dune, Yeah, where it's absolutely shocking to everyone
that a doctor's ethical programming could be overcome in a
way would allow him to stab his ruler in the
back in the way that he has. That's utterly shocking, right,
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And so I find myself just wishing there was some
kind of mechanism like this for these characters who are
immediately seemingly going to be put into very sensitive positions
of advising rulers.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
Yes. And the answer to that actually is that Frank
himself didn't really get into that until books five and
six of the six doing books that he wrote. Oh okay,
And by the time we get into books five and six,
things are so dramatically different. The universe has been shaken
by many spoilerfic things that I won't say, but we
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finally see the inside inner workings of the Benny Jesuit,
which is great, and I think the show is doing
a pretty okay job trying to model some of that.
But even there, there is no sort of like indoctrination
laid out in the books, even in books five and
six that lays out, Oh, okay, these sisters are like
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ironclad indoctrinated into this sisterhood. The assumption, and I think
this show is assuming. We're assuming this too, but the
assumption is like it's part of their training. All of
those books in that library that we keep cutting back
to are part of teaching them why the Sisterhood's mission
is the only mission that matters, and so presumably their
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training is what convinces them this is the life they
should be living. But we don't see that.
Speaker 4 (20:20):
To be fair, Also, do you this is more of
like a academic like as a student of June, do
you feel like Frank left that vague so that there
was space for the potential for betrayal or people to
have their own agenda outside of the Bena Jesua.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
Yes, that is in fact what the entire fifth book
is about, which is called Heretics of Doone Yes, and
the entire book follows the Benny Jesuit and in fact
follows Splinter. I'm kind of walking on eggshells here for
spoiler reasons, but follows just like certain characters who are heretics,
who are going against the dogma of the Sisterhood.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
Interesting.
Speaker 3 (20:56):
I think what's intriguing about heretics in that late stuff.
And another thing that I really find myself like grasping
for in the show and not quite finding is that
paranoia and the way that those books depict conspiracy as
a tightly held secret that is like a missing piece
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in a lot of interesting questions like why is this
decision made? Why is this decision made? I think one
of the things that I think this is a note
too many people know what the Sisterhood is up to.
Within the Sisterhood, I think it's even down to like
the lowly acolytes, they all know, yeah, we've got to
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have that just be like Tula Vallia and like maybe
one other person and that's it. There's too many of
these meetings where sisters from the other lands, right, are like, oh, yeah,
we've got to keep the scheme going. It's like they
shouldn't not everybody should know about it. Yeah, and I
think that's what's cool about those later books, is like
how it depicts, yes, how you would need to put
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a conspiracy into motion within these larger guild structures in
order for it to be effective. And I think that's
one of the things I wish some of the sisters
didn't know what the fuck was going on. I wish
they were yeah, more in the dark than they are.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
Yeah, and in fact, in Heretics it's actually this is
one of the things Frank made explicit in the book.
Speaker 3 (22:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
Compartmentalization is like how the Sisterhood runs, right, and they
will have parallel schemes, like two sisters will be scheming
toward a thing, not knowing that the other sisters also
scheming toward that same thing. They will have just like
backup sisters doing backup plans just in case plans A
and B fall through, and so it is very like
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need to know. But there is even in those books this, well,
the Mother Superior told me to do this, so I'm
going to do it. I don't really know why I'm
doing this, but sisterhood above all. Yeah, Okay, let's get
back to our recap and back to this episode.
Speaker 4 (22:56):
Well, this is I just want to say, this is
actually very good place to come back to it because
we're talking about that difference between sisterhood of Bubble and
the clear drive of the Hearkenings to get back what
they wanted, and we joined back at a place where
that is big reveal.
Speaker 1 (23:10):
Yeah, this is the big reveal of this episode. We're
back with the bowl hunting trip back with young Tula
and Or, and our guy Or is smitten.
Speaker 2 (23:20):
Oh, he's so in love, drops.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
To his knees. It hasn't even been a year. I mean,
I guess if you know, you know. But he proposes.
He proposes to Tula and starts envisioning their beautiful future
life together, which is got to be rough on Tula.
They have sex, So we're now three for three on
to have episodes and sex scenes, got to have it
and the tradees outside. By this time we learned that
(23:43):
they are a trades because they're chanting their name. They
are performing some sort of hunting ritual outside.
Speaker 3 (23:49):
They love those bulls, love those bulls.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
Tula the next morning reveals to Or the truth of
her name. She is not Tula Veil, she is Tula
Harkenin and to his credit. Or takes this really well.
He's quite compassionate, he's understanding.
Speaker 4 (24:08):
He's like, I'm sick of this centuries old feud. Yeah,
we don't need that. I'm in love with you, and
this has been a great night.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
Nothing could go wrong. Like from here we can maybe
bring our families together. This is gonna be great.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
Yeah, yeah, it's really I mean, this was one of
my favorite moments in the episode because it is like
quite poignant stuff about like how feuds and especially like
old feuds that are just like they feed on myth
at some point, like you don't even remember what the
fuck we're fighting about anymore. We just know we're supposed
to fight each other.
Speaker 4 (24:40):
And especially for the younger generations, it's essentially irrelevant.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
You're so distant from that exactly. Yeah, it doesn't affect
you at all. So Or has this space to be like,
who cares about this feud? Yeah, it shouldn't define our future.
Here's the healthy way we should move forward from this.
But obviously Tula, for her, the feud is like more present,
like she just lost her brother, I don't know, six months,
(25:05):
a year ago, whatever the timeline is. So for her,
the feud is happening right now. It's not a thing
that happened one hundred years ago. And we see that
she has actually it's actually too late. She has taken
the step of poisoning all of the trades outside with
the soup.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
And I like this. She was like, look at me, poison.
Speaker 4 (25:25):
You a hole?
Speaker 2 (25:26):
Suspicious at all?
Speaker 3 (25:28):
Where did I come from?
Speaker 2 (25:29):
Who am I? You know?
Speaker 3 (25:30):
How did I stow up here?
Speaker 2 (25:32):
Questions?
Speaker 4 (25:34):
Also, can I just say, if we're talking about Game
of Thrones, this is very red wedding.
Speaker 3 (25:39):
Oh yeah, oh yes, I mean red Betting, red betting.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
Oh well, poor Or also gets a gomjabar to the neck,
essentially tula, which I do think she is genuinely heartbroken
I don't think those tears are fake in any way.
She's genuinely heartbroken by this. But she is trapped in
her trauma and in this feud and in her grief
over her brother, I think. And so she kills Or.
(26:06):
But she does let that young boy from earlier get away,
and I have a feeling he might come back. We
really lingered on him along.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
I feel like that was a bad choice.
Speaker 4 (26:15):
Yeah, on like a you know, a strategic level, Like
I understand the moral choice, but I feel like that
boy is gonna come back and that's gonna bite you
in the gomjaba.
Speaker 3 (26:24):
Yeah, and you can't let Grover Tully escape play exactly exactly.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
We then returned to Wallach nine. We see that Valia
has now begun to thrive under Raquella's wing. She's been
taken into Raquella's confidence and is in fact, at this
point boasting to her friends that she's too much.
Speaker 3 (26:44):
She's next to line baby bas too motel anybody, but
it's me, Mabe, I got it.
Speaker 4 (26:51):
Well, I'm like I understand that they're setting it out
pare of as well of Fahya and Tula and the
two different sides, but also like I feel like Tula's
she's like a real one. Oh yeah, it comes to
what she has to get done, We'll go out and
get it done.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
Valia is all voice, all tall.
Speaker 4 (27:09):
Yeah, you know, like she's out here and she's just like,
I'm gonna be in line to be mother superior.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
Like, don't tell anyone. I'm like, babe, slap ha, this
is a bad boy.
Speaker 3 (27:18):
I know she's it's too much. She's got she does
lean on the voice Regina.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
Yeah, and to be fair. Her friends take it quite well.
I don't know if one of you compelled me to
slap someone.
Speaker 4 (27:32):
They're like, they seem started like you'd be like, guys,
that's fucked.
Speaker 3 (27:36):
Up, Like that fucked up? What did you just do?
They're like, oh, stop, please show us.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
I want to know how to slap someone with my mind.
Speaker 3 (27:44):
Show me the voice, please.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
I feel like I can't wait to compel people against
their will to do stuff. Show me how to do that.
But her girlfriends at school are very excited to learn
the voice, and Raquella is riding a high. She's gonna
she's definitely in the inner inner circle with Mother Kella.
At this point, we then cut to the agony chamber
that we saw from the last episode Fine. Mother Rackuella
(28:08):
is preparing to perform another agony, this time with dorote
on one side and Valia on the other. Clearly the
two potential successors, right, it's we're setting the stage. These
are the two that will potentially be Mother superior after me.
At the last second, though Volia chickens out, she backs out,
doesn't want to do the agony, runs out of the room.
(28:29):
Dorotea does seemingly go through with it. After this, Riquella
has another one on one with Voalia and she's clearly pissed.
I think she clearly did want Valia to rise to
the occasion and be the next Mother Superior, but now
her star pupil has shown her true colors, and Rickuella
gives her an ultimatum. I'm going to give you a
pass a weekend past to go back to Lankaville, figure
(28:51):
your family shit out, get rid of this baggage that's
holding you back from rising to the occasion, and come
back a reverend mother or not at all. Here's the point,
and that.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
Could kill you, by the way, hey guy.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
So with that ultimatum in minds, Folia goes back to Lakeville.
She talks to her sister Tula informs her that the
job is done. Both of them are clearly emotional about it.
And Tula, I think, is she's clearly like the good
cop you know from the sisters, We're getting like a
very good cop, bad cop energy and Tula even.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
Though she just committed like a mathmader, totally.
Speaker 3 (29:25):
A complete mass murder based on well, I mean, they
do say that the Treades killed one of their family
members first, and also there's the issue of the bad
PR related to the Butleria Geehi that continues to hang
over the family that said killing like a mass murder.
I feel like it is also bad PR. But let's
neither hear nor there.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
Like the Hockins do just.
Speaker 4 (29:46):
Have bad vibes as well, Like I feel like the
show is not dispelling the Hawk but.
Speaker 3 (29:51):
Is not at all dispelling the notion that the Hearkens
are bad.
Speaker 1 (29:55):
No, not at all, I will say, though. Her family
quite upset. They're like, no, love, did you commit mass
murder because your sister told you to?
Speaker 2 (30:03):
What? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (30:04):
And they're annoyed. They're annoyed that Valia's back. A tense
confrontation takes place between Valia and her mother, and once
again to Jason's point, we're leaning on the voice quite
a bit. Valia she does the whole take out your
knife thing in a tense moment with her mother, wild
but is able to walk out of the room before
it gets to the stabbing stage.
Speaker 4 (30:23):
Also, I do find this again very interesting setting up,
Like Tula is more willing to do dirty what needs
to be done, but Valia is she doesn't want to
do the dirty work. And also she is finding that
split from her family and more towards that sisterhood, whereas
Tula like, she won't do it, yeah if you tell
(30:44):
us she needs to do it, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
Which we to be fair, I think we saw in
the last episode she can convinced a child to do
a thing that was clearly going to lead to her death,
and so Tula did make that tough choice there mm hm.
After this confrontation with the mother, this pushes value over
the edge. She's ready to break ties with her family
(31:06):
and she goes out to the point I believe where
she was talking to Griffin earlier and takes the Russick poison,
undergoes the agony solo dola, which, to be fair, law wise,
that is tough. That is difficult. Nobody does that on
their own. To do it in a controlled environment with
your sisters around you to support you, that in and
(31:26):
of itself is nearly impossible. So to do it alone
out in the wild, it's pretty bold. She does survive
the agony thanks to Tula arriving and and what I
thought was actually quite a beautiful moment, she follows her
sister's voice like out of the agony and is able
to awaken.
Speaker 4 (31:43):
I thought that was very cool, and I also felt
like that gave us some insight into how people survive
the agony at all.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
It is to do it that sisterhood.
Speaker 4 (31:53):
And that knowing that you're not alone in it, kind
of like what you said about the Rossac poison, like
doing it by yourself.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
A good moment between the two of them.
Speaker 1 (32:02):
I agree, and the sisters both decide that they're ready
for a new life. They're going to return to Wallach
nine together. I guess Tula just gets admission because her
sister's already at the school.
Speaker 3 (32:12):
The legacy is the legacy. A lot of elite universities
do the exact same.
Speaker 2 (32:17):
Thing, colleges, a lot of the great colleges.
Speaker 1 (32:20):
And they make the promise to each other that this
will be a fresh start for them. We're leaving this
family baggage behind and with our new family now, the sisterhood.
We then cut back to the present day to wrap
up this episode. The accolytes gather to say goodbye to Lilah.
In a ceremony that gets quite tense. Sister Jen calls
out Tula basically for being complicit in Lila's death. Here,
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she questions what the purpose of any of this was
wasn't even helpful at all? What was this sacrifice for?
Sister reveal it to be fair, jumps in to support Tula.
I did like seeing the elder sisters support each other
in this way. H After the sisters say they're goodbyes,
Tula takes those things off of Lila's temples, seemingly ending
her life, which we'll find out very shortly it is untrue.
(33:07):
But real quick, we cut back to Selucia Secundus, and
Volia does what every millennial had to do when they
lost their job in the pandemic. We turn home and
ask for help from mom and dad.
Speaker 2 (33:16):
Who knew this would be so relatable.
Speaker 3 (33:18):
By the way, will whale planet looking good.
Speaker 2 (33:22):
Looks like things that crab? Well, then I'm like, maybe.
Speaker 3 (33:25):
Things have gotten better on whale work.
Speaker 4 (33:27):
Maybe you guys made the wrong choice because it's looking
kind of nice.
Speaker 1 (33:30):
It's not a cushy job, but it's a lucrative one.
Speaker 2 (33:33):
Yeah. Perhaps.
Speaker 1 (33:34):
We cut back to wallach Nin and Tula for our
final scene of the episode. A big reveal here. We
learned that Tula has secretly put Lila in a spice
bocta tank, basically and they're in this genetic archive room,
which we've been hinting at this whole show. We finally
see it from the inside. Final she speaks to an
AI which the subtitles told us is named Annul, and
(33:59):
the camera pants out and we see all of this
forbidden technology and AI stuff in this room here, and
then we cut to credits.
Speaker 4 (34:07):
Okay, I have another question for you before we cut
to ask nice, is that canon to the Sisterhood of
June book?
Speaker 2 (34:15):
Do this?
Speaker 4 (34:15):
Have the sisters always been using Butlerrian technology.
Speaker 3 (34:19):
PlayStations and xboxes?
Speaker 4 (34:22):
Exactly have they been playing Animal Crossing on the switch?
Speaker 2 (34:25):
You can tell us the answer after a message from
our sponsors.
Speaker 4 (34:32):
Yeah, and we're back aboo reveal the truth about Yeah,
the Benny Jesuit.
Speaker 1 (34:49):
Well, I mean, the truth is that Riquella's Animal Crossing
Island was fire, the decorations were amazing.
Speaker 2 (34:56):
She was hosting meet ups for the other sisters.
Speaker 1 (34:58):
Yeah, honestly, Tom owed her money. That's how good she
was at Animal Crossing. Yes, they've been using technology like
this secretly since their conception. Basically, they've been breaking the
restrictions of the Butler range had since day one. Oh wow,
So this is Gannon. Yes, this is in the books.
It's in the prequel books. It's actually in Frank Kerbert's
(35:20):
books as well. We learn it all the way in
book five again Heretics of Doune, we learned that the
sisters have for their breeding program have been using computers.
Do you calculate all of that and do all their scheming?
Speaker 3 (35:30):
I absolutely love it? Okay, what do we think of
this show?
Speaker 1 (35:34):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (35:34):
Three episodes in let us discuss now a Boot as
the law master. Yeah, where are we with this?
Speaker 1 (35:42):
Man? I am mixed? Yeah, we are three episodes into
a six episode season, which is scary because I feel
like we have still not found our footing. When we
are halfway through a first season, I think I will
say to maybe start with things I liked. I thought
the writing of this episode better than the first two.
(36:03):
Less like exposition, heavy, less relying on just like plot
Domino's falling, so the next plot Domino can fall. I
think we got some good emotional stakes and a nice
emotional journey for our sisters. We finally have an answer
to who our main characters are Tula Vallia. We get
a little bit of a sense of like these are
maybe the people we can cheer for or against and
(36:25):
be emotionally invested in.
Speaker 4 (36:26):
Yeah, I was just gonna say, does anyone feel I
feel like this could have been the first episode?
Speaker 2 (36:30):
Yes, I feel like it. I feel like it would
have been cool. The show is called Sister of June.
Speaker 4 (36:36):
I think it would have been interesting to get to
know these characters and their life and see that what
led them to the Banny Jesuit. I also did like
to see more Dorotea stuff. Yeah, I always like to
see U popop because I think that I didn't love
that opening kind of way we open and introduce Vallia.
Speaker 2 (36:55):
And kill Dorotea.
Speaker 4 (36:56):
But sorry, I boo go on because I do think
this is not a perfect episode, but I do feel
like it gave me so much more insights to who
these characters were before we start their journey.
Speaker 1 (37:05):
Absolutely, and in fact, I'm glad you brought that up, Rosi,
because honestly, my big takeaway walking away from this episode
was I like this one a lot, and I would
have preferred it earlier, Like I almost would have shuffled
the episode orders around a little bit with it, And
obviously that requires some like resequencing of scenes to make
things make sense whatever, But this emotional core of Volia Tula,
(37:26):
I need it earlier. So the rest of what's happening
in the Palace with Carino and Kira, Natred's and whatever,
all of that has much more weight to it once
I understand, yeah, what it means to Tula and Valia.
So I'm mixed on the show. I'm obviously as a
Dune fan, I'm going to see it through to the end.
I'm still trying to let the show tell me its story.
(37:46):
Maybe there's some incredible stuff to come in four five
and six. I like things in isolation. I like certain scenes,
I like certain lore things they're dipping into. But it's
still the larger picture is still a bit rough around
the edges from me. What about you too?
Speaker 2 (38:03):
Yeah, Jason, you had some good notes. How about you?
How are you feeling halfway through the season.
Speaker 3 (38:07):
I'm basically the same as a boot I think that
there is a good show here, and I think that
I am actually quite hopeful that it will emerge as
the momentum of the story takes hold and we have
to commit to a timeline. Yes, I think that for me,
it's two flashback laden and I feel like we'll move
(38:29):
past that, you know. I think that the stuff that's happening,
for instance, in the present timeline with the Riches's and
the wedding Chesy is the wedding that's fallen apart this
mysterious visitor from Iracus. That to me is like really
meaty stuff. And I think, like, all of the here's
how the sisterhood happened, here's how value Atulia got there.
(38:50):
Despite the fact that I think the emotional stuff from
this episode, which was a lot of the flashback material,
was really median good, I'm less interested in this stuff
that happened in the past and more interested in this
current timeline, which I thought is really interesting. And I
feel and I'm missing the momentum of that now that
(39:10):
we've spent so much time away from it. Like we
got some of this like crazy stuff happening and the
death of the Duke of Chesy Sun and the mystery
of the mirroring deaths by fire that is seemingly Desmond
Hart has managed to and gender and so like what
does that mean? And it feels strange to me to
like step backwards and do that stuff.
Speaker 4 (39:31):
Yeah, that's what I think about, hypothetically, reordering the episodes. Yeah,
because I feel like there's a version where this doesn't
feel like a flashback. It feels like an introduction and
then your on Wallock nine, Boom, here's where we are now.
Speaker 2 (39:43):
Because you're right, when you do think about that first episode.
Speaker 4 (39:46):
Now, all the wild stuff that they set in place,
it does seem.
Speaker 2 (39:51):
Mad to move away from that momentum. Yeah, I don't know.
I like any show that's about wheeling and dealing.
Speaker 4 (40:00):
And yeah, prophecies and all that, so it's enjoyable. But
I do think the funny thing is about the show.
I think if we were still living in the era
of like a Riverdale, right, which obviously this show would
not have such fantastic production value. But if this show
is gonna have twenty four episodes, I'd be like, hey,
we're off the kind of a good start, enough dig
into that. If it was old school, I would be like,
(40:22):
I think that by the end we could be coming
out with one of the best finales of the year.
Speaker 3 (40:26):
But six episodes exactly, even if the six episodes is
like the Gombar hanging over the next.
Speaker 4 (40:33):
Exactly, even if there's three fantastic episodes, I don't know
if they're going to be able to tie it up
in a bow or leave us in a place where
we feel like the things we need to be answered
have been answered. And also, I guess in a show
that is a prequel but is also jumping around timelines,
but is also connected to two movies, I also think
(40:57):
a show that this has to almost prove it existence.
Speaker 2 (41:00):
Yeah, why does it exist?
Speaker 1 (41:02):
Yes, that's what I was going to say. Like, I'm
no TV producer, so maybe I'm talking out of my
ass here, But like, as someone who covers the industry
a lot, I understand that there's maybe a multi season plan.
But to get to the second and third season and
get the checks to make the rest of your show,
you do have to really prove yourself in the first season.
(41:22):
We live in a media landscape where it just has
to be banger after banger after banker. You know, you
cannot wait, yees.
Speaker 2 (41:28):
Streaming does not allow. But the first season that doesn't
deliver anymore.
Speaker 1 (41:33):
It doesn't allow for that. You know, we don't live
in a world where like Parks and Rext, season one
can be like trash. But it's okay.
Speaker 2 (41:38):
Because season four is iconic.
Speaker 1 (41:40):
Right, You'll get the runway to be iconic eventually, you
have to be iconic now. And I'm worried this show
is improving itself in that way.
Speaker 2 (41:48):
To that end.
Speaker 3 (41:49):
And I know I mentioned this before, but I feel
like the missed opportunity to this point, and it may emerge.
I think it could emerge, the missed opportunity to meet
at this point in terms of bringing out like the
central character of the Dune universe as it exists in
the films and in the books is that we've got
the machinations and the kind of chess moves, but there's
(42:10):
like a deeper level of paranoia that to me is done.
That's done to me is there's pieces moving, but I
don't know why, and I don't know why these people
are doing this, and I'm not sure that they know
why they are carrying out the conspiracy also, And I
know it sounds like a small thing when I'm like,
too many sisters know what's going on, but I really
(42:32):
feel like that's I wish the information was more tightly
held in this show, and that even Volia would not
be sure like I don't know why, I'm I don't
quite know why we're doing it this way, but I
feel like we have to, and I feel like if
they could drill down into that paranoia more, then you
(42:52):
have a I think, a really interesting show, because what
you have is the sisterhood that is somehow managed despite
the fact that the people involved in the sisterhood are
from famous families that are competing, and yet you have
a Harconen next to the emperor. You have like all
of these figures from other families getting to advise other families,
(43:14):
and yet the intersecting lines of why that might not
be a good idea or somehow like papered over. I
wish that stuff would come more to the surface and
the questions about can we trust this group? Yes, you
can trust them because they have given us these assurances
and they but what do we think of these assurances?
And I wish those kind of conversations were more at
(43:36):
the forefront. And I think if you had those things
at the forefront, we wouldn't have to like spend time
flashing back to why did Voluntelia come here and what
are the things that happened? Like, I think you could
get lost in this paranoia. That, to me, again is
what Doune is about. Dune is about political machinations and
not knowing what people's intentions are and to end this
(44:00):
story as it exists. Too many people know what the
story is. Yeah, is just too much that is known
throughout the story.
Speaker 4 (44:08):
I was thinking about how cool it would be if
this had been like edited or told like a conspiracy thriller,
because I feel like, when you watch this show, it
has that stoic, slow moving Game of Thrones vibe, but one,
we only have six episodes, and also it's not Game
of Thrones. Having that paranoia, that conspiracy element would have
(44:31):
brought a tone to it that would have maybe been
a little bit more gripping or a little bit more
of a given you more of a feeling when you
watch it, other than being like, oh, this obviously costs
a lot of money. It looks good, but I don't
feel like it necessarily gives you that. Think about the
Red Wedding, like the dread in the lead up to
the reveal is so huge in yourself and do those movies.
(44:53):
There are multiple times in those films where I feel
like deeply unsettled, and it is rare for me to
be enraptured in like an emotion like that. While I
watched this show, and it would have been really cool
if the emotion had been paranoia or fear or yeah,
some kind of insight into what the women involved in
this field.
Speaker 3 (45:11):
Yeah, And just to quickly talk about your observation, Rosie,
like of the six episodes versus twenty four Old School
twenty four, I think one of the ways this pops
up is that, I mean, as a Boo noted and
as you noted in wanting this episode to be the
first episode, it's because it sets the emotional stakes for
our characters. Is that too many times thus far in
these three episodes, it's been character doing something and then
(45:35):
the reveal of why, what the emotional motivation for that
happens much later, way too later, And I think we
need to just I think those things need to be flipped.
I need to understand what the character wants, what is
the want, what is the why are you doing this stuff?
And then let the pieces fall into place and you understand,
you know, you could set up the actions later. And
(45:58):
so that to me is just like a weird that
feels like something you do if you add twenty four
episodes instead of six. But I do feel like I
feel like there's a good show here still if it
has not yet emerged.
Speaker 4 (46:10):
Yeah, I think it's got the pieces for a good show.
I would just like to see them yet. Yeah, a
little bit shaken around before they're put back on the
chest board.
Speaker 2 (46:18):
And we do know this show had a.
Speaker 4 (46:19):
Lot of production issues as well, which I also think
is often why maybe it feels a little bit chopped up.
Speaker 2 (46:26):
But yeah, I'm interested to see where it goes. We're
halfway in.
Speaker 4 (46:29):
Who knows, maybe the second half of that season is
NonStop bangers. Maybe it's the non stop bangers we need,
I hope.
Speaker 1 (46:35):
So Okay, to round out today's episode, I'm just going
to very quickly run through some lower Easter eggs from
this episode. This is not a comprehensive list, but just
some of the ones that stood out to me. Starting
with fur whales. Let's talk about our furry friends here
for a second. These are canonical. They exist in the book.
They're sometimes referred to as John Dax, but more commonly
(46:57):
they're just referred to as for we just literally fur whales,
thank you. We're told from the books that the fur
whales are quite dangerous, especially when they're being hunted. They
are majestic creatures and quote dive deep into cold waters
and escape, or they could turn on a pursuing boat
an inflict serious damage end quote. So will hunting a
(47:17):
pretty tough gig. I think we also see whale fers
mentioned in the original Dune as well, not just the
Brian Herbert prequel novels. Duke Lato in the very first
book actually, when he's explaining to Paul what chom is
and how the economy of the Imperium works, mentions that
whalefer is one of the more sought after commodities that
is bought and sold. And in the appendices actually we
(47:39):
get this quote that explains the canonical hearken in Whalefer connection. Quote.
The return of house hearken In to power generally is
ascribed to adroit manipulation of the whale fer market and
later a consolidation with Milange whale from Aracus end quote.
As we saw in the vill Nuff films, they have
a Racus.
Speaker 2 (47:55):
By that way, whale canning, whale world.
Speaker 1 (47:58):
It's all cannon and that's where the money's at. Move
your money from crypto into whalefer. Okay, next up, I'm
not going to say too much about this because I
want to not get into potential spoiler territory that might
come up in the show itself. But we've heard Vori
to trades a number of times now, and we learned
today that he allegedly killed Griffin Harkinen and we get
(48:20):
throwaway lines about this guy. He's still very elusive. People
are just mentioning him. He has apparently showed up after
disappearing for a while. We learn I think actually Bobby
b tells us that a little bit of information, and
this is true. In the book, there's a lot of
chapters from Vorian's perspective. He's like exiled himself after the
war basically to go live a life of peace, and
(48:42):
then is pulled back in for one more gig or whatever.
I don't want to say too much because we might
see some of that in the show, but super long
Vorian story short. Basically, in the book, Griffin is not
killed by Vorian and is killed through a series of
other random events. And so that's why I keep saying
allegedly killed by Vorian on today's episode, because if we
(49:04):
are sticking to book, there may be a reveal to
come that something else actually happened, and it wasn't at
the hands of Orian Atradees that was.
Speaker 4 (49:11):
My guy anyway, especially with what to how hard Tula
went afterwards, I felt, yes, that would end up being
yes regreted.
Speaker 1 (49:19):
So canonically in the book, something different does happen, and
I'm not gonna say what. Maybe the show will get
there on its own in the next few episodes. The
last quick little bit of lare I wanted to call
out is for folks who have seen the Villa films,
we know that iconic knife salute that Duncan Idaho and
paul A trades due to each other, and it was cool.
It's like a blink blink and you'll miss it moment,
(49:39):
But when the Atrades are around the fire and doing
the body paint, they are also doing that forehead salute
to each other. So I thought that was a nice
little touch and another connection to vill Love's films, connecting
the treats. So there's a little bit of lor today.
Speaker 2 (49:54):
Thanks the br Thank you, appreciate you.
Speaker 1 (49:55):
Not a problem. On tomorrow's episode of X Ray Vision,
you two are going to be going through your twenty
twenty four books and comics round up the best of
the year. Best year, I am very much looking forward
to that, but that's it for today's episode. Jason, Rosie,
thank you so much for joining me.
Speaker 3 (50:11):
Always a blast, Thanks for having us, Bye bye bye.
X ray Vision is hosted by Jason Kensumsion and Rosie
Knight and is a production of iHeart Podcasts. Our executive
producers are Joelle Smith and Aaron Kaufman. Our supervising producer
(50:31):
is a Boo Zafar. Our producers are Carmen Laurent and
Mia Taylor. Our theme song is by Brian Basquez.
Speaker 4 (50:40):
Special thanks to Soul Rubin and Chris Lord, Kenny Goodman
and Heidi our discoord moderator.
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Jason Concepcion
Rosie Knight
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