XTRAS: A Goofy Movie 30th Anniversary! (w/ Kevin Lima and Bill Farmer)

A Goofy Movie just turned 30 this year, Rosie and Joelle are joined by Goofy Movie SUPER FAN Dani Fernandez to recap the movie and discuss why the movie is considered ROTTEN by the critics and some possible family connections between Max and Powerline, more on that in the episode! And then, Rosie and Joelle welcome the voice of Goofy himself, Bill Farmer and Director Kevin Lima to discuss the impact of the movie 30 years later.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Spoiler warning.

Speaker 2 (00:01):
Today's episode contains spoilers and a full recap.

Speaker 1 (00:05):
Of a movie that came out in nineteen ninety five.

Speaker 2 (00:08):
So if you have not seen the delightful A Goofy Movie,
either listen to our recap and then check it out
and know you'll be spoiled, or go watch your on
Disney Plus right now.

Speaker 3 (00:35):
Hello.

Speaker 1 (00:35):
Hello, my name's Rosie Knight, Angela mo Week.

Speaker 4 (00:39):
Welcome back. That's your Vision, the podcast where we dive
deep into your favorite shows, movies, comics and pop culture.
We're here at iHeart Podcast, where we bring me three
episodes a week plus news on Saturday.

Speaker 2 (00:54):
In today's episode, it is a celebration of the thirtieth
anniversary of A Goofy Movie. We are going to be
rewatching the iconic Disney musical animated movie with our beloved
friend Danny Fernandez to celebrate thirty years of being a
goof We are also gonna be talking about the music.
How does the set list play into our expectations of

(01:15):
a Disney movie and how does it subvert them?

Speaker 1 (01:17):
And also how did this.

Speaker 2 (01:19):
Movie get made, why did it get buried? And why
is it rotten on Rotten Tomatoes? Somebody go and write
a new review. Get that score up, and remember, guys,
if you want to think about superheroes, read Thunderbolt's Number one,
nineteen ninety seven. You can read it in an omnibus,
you can read this single issue, you can read it

(01:39):
on Marvel Unlimited.

Speaker 1 (01:41):
The conversation is already going in our discord.

Speaker 2 (01:43):
You're going to be shocked, you're going to be surprised,
and then you can send us questions at official XARV
Pod at gmail dot com that we will answer for
you on our next book club.

Speaker 4 (01:54):
Now, let's pick up Danny Fernandez as we hit the
open road and reminists about our second Disney crush after
him talking about Mags. Oh my gosh. Okay, so wait
before we dive into our recap, which I'm so excited
to recap this movie with you, guys, can you just
very briefly tell me about your earliest memory of this movie,

(02:14):
because I wonder if we all have different core memories.

Speaker 5 (02:18):
Okay, but you were saying our second Disney crush. You
mean rock Sand.

Speaker 4 (02:23):
Oh, it's very queer in here, and we also have
crushes on rock Sand. We don't spend a ton of
time with her. She's just out here being exceedingly cute,
and we love her.

Speaker 1 (02:33):
She is very beautiful.

Speaker 4 (02:34):
She is, She's gorgeous, got the hair going on. I
love the opening dream sequence, which again we're gonna get
into bad Okay. My earliest memory of this film is
watching it on the Disney Channel because I used to
air this Bad Boy all the time, and I feel
like that's where I first discovered it. I didn't realize
until I was researching for this episode that a goof that,
the goof Troop TV show came out before the movie.

(02:56):
I really thought the movie was an introduction to the show,
which tells you how like warped my perception of time
and like experience what this project was. It just sort
of feels like it's always been around. I cannot remember
a time not having the Goofy movie. Danny was your
earliest memory of a Goody movie?

Speaker 5 (03:13):
Yeah, my earliest memory would be I had the VHS
of it, so yeah, we would just watch it religiously.
We had like two kid vgicles. I mean, aside from
like the regular Disney stuff. My parents had, like they
had all of their movies, and then we had like
the mask in a Goofy movie. We used to watch those.

Speaker 3 (03:34):
Absolutely.

Speaker 4 (03:35):
I was like, these were two iconic films in our childhood. Okay,
you have to come back when we do the Mask.
I love that.

Speaker 1 (03:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (03:40):
Definitely a very underrated slash forgotten comic book movie. Absolutely
because it's a very bad movie, a comic Yeah, when
you when you rewatch it as an adult, that movie
is like extremely abstract. But as a kid it was
one of my favorites. Yeah, I was definitely in the
same boat. It was a VHS kind of staple. I
didn't have Disney Channel, but it was just a movie

(04:02):
that was absolutely, as you mentioned, Joell, always there. I
think about it a lot because even when it sort
of started having this resurgence and I was watching it
again as a comfort movie when we went to see
it at the cinema, you know, I just know all
the words inherently.

Speaker 1 (04:16):
I know the plotline, I know the beats, I know
the kind of you know.

Speaker 2 (04:19):
I think about the scene in the in the kind
of grand canyon esque like river a lot like they
It just was perennial to me as a kid and
my kind of experience of being a kid.

Speaker 1 (04:33):
Plus, I think I was probably drawn to.

Speaker 2 (04:36):
It because I loved I really loved Erie Indiana, and
Jason Marsden was in Erie, Indiana as as kind of
like the cool Christian Slater esque character.

Speaker 1 (04:48):
So yeah, I just I loved it.

Speaker 2 (04:50):
Was just always there, and I'm really glad that it's
had this cultural kind of resurgence and reckoning basically of
people saying, hey, hey, this is a really great movie.
You know this meant a lot to us as kids,
and why wasn't it looked on in that way? I mean,
the three of us saw it together at Quentin Tarantino
Cinema and a sold out screening, So I think now

(05:15):
you know, the era that grew up with it is
now saying hey, this was important for us, and I
love that, and I'm glad we're going to get to
talk about it.

Speaker 4 (05:22):
Today, me too. Let's dive into our recap. Okay, So,
one of the best opening scenes of a Disney movie ever, Max,
as you mentioned, plays by Jason Myersten, fantasized about running
through a field of golden wheat to his crush Roxanne,
beautifully played by Kelly Martin. But as she leans in
for a kiss, he begins a grotesque transformation all of
the Wolfman into his father Goofy played by Billy Farmer.

(05:45):
Max bolts awake to a call from his best friend
PJ played by Rob Paulson. He's late today's last day
of school, and Max has decided to change his life
by recreating the performance of his favorite pop star power line.
But Goofy's never heard a power line, and he actually
destroys a cardboards stand about the singer as he tries
to offer his son a ride to school. Max, as
evidence of his nightmare, is too embarrassed to be seen
with his father. His concerns are proven valid when his

(06:08):
father kisses him on the cheek in front of skateboarders. Goofy,
what are you doing? And they laugh and Max and
in this opening scene you have the crux of like
all of Max's fears, all of his concerns, all of
his shame. He opens the inaugural song by saying, they've
been laughing since I can remember. Well, they're not gonna

(06:28):
laugh anymore. No more Max e the geek, No more
goof of the week. Like before, Oh my god, we'll
one day do a thing along of this. I'm just
saying it's.

Speaker 5 (06:37):
A little yeah, it's a little though, Like I don't
know if I'm allowed to say school shooter vibes, but
it's like a little problematic. I'm not gonna say, look,
I'm sorry the kid that's bully, Like they're they're laughing
since I can remember, but they're not gonna laugh anymore.

Speaker 6 (06:52):
I know.

Speaker 2 (06:53):
I feel like, look, is Max gonna solve it in
a better way, a non violent, mostly non violent off
he destroys the school play, but like not, it doesn't
sound great. And I will say I think as well
as an adult, the biggest thing that comes across is
just like Goofy is actually like such an incredible dad,
and you're just watching it and you're like, oh.

Speaker 1 (07:14):
My god, I really just love this movie.

Speaker 2 (07:18):
Nick talks a lot about when he went to see
this movie, he was just as like a young I
guess he was probably like a young preteen or something,
but like he says, like he was just like crying
the whole movie thinking about like because he felt like
Max was really mean to his dad, and his dad
was actually like really really great. And I do think
that the more you watch it, you know, Max is

(07:38):
very relatable perhaps if you have like an overbearing, caring dad,
But if you don't, then you're like Max, bro, your
dad like really loves you, Like he just just wants to.

Speaker 1 (07:47):
Like spend time with you. Man, Like it's not that bad.

Speaker 4 (07:51):
I okay, So I hear what both of you are saying.
Max is a little out here on a limb deep
in his youth. But if you can recall being fit
ting and insecure, and especially if you think that the
things you're insecure but are inherently inside of you, like
that shame is so palpable. And I think the movie
does a really good job of, like you know, the

(08:15):
way of like getting away from that internalized shame is
to become his pop star. Like that visual like physical
transformation for him sort of makes him feel like, oh,
I can cracked within me something people can be excited
about if I mimic my idol and it's just again
highly relatable to me.

Speaker 1 (08:36):
That's a great job.

Speaker 3 (08:37):
It works.

Speaker 4 (08:38):
It totally works. Like he wins the crowd over we
get while a Sean as principal mauser, pulling him down
from like a Pulley system. He's been projected over the crowd.
All the girls want him, which is in insane switch up.
But of course you know that's short lived. Mauser winds
up calling Goofy and be like, hey, maxis troubling. Behavior

(09:01):
is a problem. He's dressed like a gangster. He's not
gonna have a future. He's gonna end up in the
electric chair. A very wild overreaction from a school over
what was essentially a sing along. But okay, so Goofy.
Pano also say.

Speaker 2 (09:13):
Like he was not He was dressed like like an
eighties pop star.

Speaker 4 (09:17):
Not a gangster.

Speaker 2 (09:18):
I don't know what kind of gangsteres like this man
is seeing in the street, but yes.

Speaker 4 (09:23):
MAZERI just thinks anybody black is a Gangster's exactly we're gonna.

Speaker 1 (09:28):
Talk about that aspect.

Speaker 4 (09:31):
Oh my god. Okay, so Goody panics his boss slash
neighbor Pete, played by the legend Jim Cummings, warns him
there's something not right about a son who doesn't want
to hang out with his father. Suddenly, a memory of
Lake Destiny, Idaho comes screeching into Goofy's mind, and he
now has a plan to save his son. Back at school,
like we said, Max's dreams have come true. Roxanne wants him,

(09:55):
tall blonde girl wants him. The entire school literally chants
his name and he sees the benefits of being a
bad boy.

Speaker 5 (10:02):
Wait, tall blonde girl has a name and it's Lisa.

Speaker 4 (10:05):
I'm so sorry Lisa in disrespect.

Speaker 2 (10:07):
I please do not disrespect this sexy goof this nineties icon.

Speaker 4 (10:12):
I really need to know which model they based her
off of, because they're like oversize scenes at the crop top.
And then I was like, this is really it's giving fashion.

Speaker 5 (10:21):
I was telling you for El Capy Tan's anniversary twenty
fifth anniversary, dressed up as Lisa because I knew everybody
was gonna go as rock Sand and I have gone
as rock Sand. I have to say, I'll have to
send y'all. Maybe you can put in the show notes.
You can like post my photos of me as every
character in a Goofy movie. Hell yeah, I was Lisa crushed.
She's iconic. Who's that guy recreation?

Speaker 4 (10:45):
I love it? Okay, So he's like, no, Lisa, I
found my girl. I'm sticking with her. He runs home.
He's really excited. He's won the day. But Goofy is
packing up the car for a father's son fishing trip,
and they're sort of seeing Goofy physically transform Max into
a young Goofy. I think this is such great writing
and beautiful animation here, Like he gives him the family

(11:07):
fishing rod, he gives Max's childhood life jacket. He announces
they're going to use the same map Goofy used with
his father, and this makes Max's nightmare at the top
of the movie like startling reality. Instantly. The trip is
going to take weeks, and it completely ruins Max's plan
for his first date with Roxanne. Max and Goofy have
this big fight where Goofy winds up forcing Max into

(11:27):
the car, restraining him with the seatbelt. Max re lentz,
but he begs his father if he could just talk
to Roxanne before they go so he can explain why
he's not gonna be here. But when he starts talking
to her, he can't reveal the truth, and he's terrified
she's gonna say yes to someone else, so he lies
and says Goofy is friends with power Line and they're
gonna perform on the final number in Los Angeles, where

(11:48):
Max is gonna rave to Roxanne, so she says, I'm
not gonna go with anybody else. I can't wait to
see you. Let's do it. So now they're hitting the
road Goofy's trying to engage Max with some old games.
You know, we could spy, like let's guess the guy
it's Disney, which is a hilarious joke. There's only one man.
All of the rest of them are animals. But we're

(12:09):
seeing that they derive joy from two completely opposite poles,
Like Goofy wants to do a cute sing along with
old music. Max is just trying to rock out and
be a grungy teenager. They end up breaking the radio
and the sounds of the Open Road turn into the
next musical number on the Open Road. It's a villain song. Okay, guys,
this is one of my favorite things. And I found
this from YouTuber sideways. He has like a forty five

(12:31):
minute video. I'm like why. I think it's titled like
why a Goofy movie is better than you remember? But
he does a really beautiful job of breaking down all
of the songs and the way they sort of are
a play on your traditional Disney musical number. So most
Disney musicals are romances, usually a princess lead, but sometimes
a guy. They're bucking the system. There's a main villain

(12:54):
comes in. They have to trudge their own heroes path
to the end, but there's not really this is a
love story, but it's the lot story between a father
and son, so it's obviously not romantic. It's not white lotus.
And we're getting like these really great moments of a
villain song. So Goofy's not actually a villain, but here
he's doing all of the opposite things Max has desired.

(13:17):
Max is our hero because we start with him. It's
our opening dream sequence, is his opening number is his,
So he's our main character. Goofy is completely derailing everything
he wants to do. He's not he's taking him further
and further away from his beautiful home. They're constantly singing
over and on top of each other instead of together,
so you're really getting their dissonance throughout the music. And

(13:37):
then by the end of this song, they are so
on opposite ends of what they're trying to do that
it genuinely feels like they're never going to be able
to come back together as father and son. And I
find it so beautiful. I love on the Open Road
because not only is it great animation of like what
a road trip. You're just staring out the window, you're
looking at people passing by. But it's also just like
a fun Johnky tune and it gives like very classic

(14:00):
Disney if you've watched the old Goofy shorts, where like
he's constantly haphazarding into like pots that are now making
music or.

Speaker 1 (14:08):
With ingerous situations exactly.

Speaker 2 (14:10):
I would also say as well, when you show this
to a kid, open road opens some very hilarious questions
which every single kid will ask, like, well, why was
everyone in Goofy's town a goof like? And now you
move out of the town and there's all these different
people on the open road, different animals, segregation of these
places segregated, Like every kid asks the same thing that,

(14:33):
like why is there now different animals and where do
those animals live? And I always thought that was like
a very it's a very funny kind of thing that
every kid picks up.

Speaker 5 (14:44):
When it should also be noted that he literally murders
somebody like Goofy kills his kill record in a.

Speaker 7 (14:51):
Goofy very high.

Speaker 5 (14:52):
He clearly like kills people on the road. He kills
like or maybe he's like Batman where they're like, no,
he doesn't murder, He just leaves them face down.

Speaker 4 (15:02):
In a puddle.

Speaker 5 (15:03):
But yeah, I mean, I love him. But if you
watch it, for those of us that have seen it
like a thousand times, he clearly accidentally murders multiple people
on the open.

Speaker 2 (15:14):
Yeah, definitely, he's not safe at all.

Speaker 4 (15:18):
Whole map taking up the windshield, Max has to frequently
steer the car around like embankment. So he's about to
cash into but you know that's that's just goof being
goof Okay, So they're in the car. Their first stop
is going to be Lester's Possum Park, another iconic scene.
This is a Backwoods Disney parody that showcases how little
Goofy understands Max. This park is for small children, okay,

(15:41):
we're talking Toddler's a max of nine, not for teenagers.
And things are made worse when Goofy climbs upside down
for a photo with the possum, causing all of the
patrons to laugh at him. Goofy is self confident and
not worried about other things, but Max is sensitive to
judgment and feels even more isolated alone by the fact
that his father has just embarrassed him in front of everyone.

(16:02):
Would you guys visit Possum Park? If it were real,
And do you like the song because I do.

Speaker 2 (16:08):
I love any roadside attraction because they don't really exist
in the same way in English. I absolutely would. I
love going to the Kabazon dinosaurs. I want to see
the world's largest ball of string. And also, once again,
coming from the not getting to go on any road
trips with my family type childhood, I would. My parents

(16:29):
didn't take me nowhere, so I'll go to the possum farm.

Speaker 1 (16:32):
I'm like, I'll go. I like, I'll go.

Speaker 5 (16:34):
Max like my I grew up in both California and Texas,
who are constantly going back and forth, which is very
I have to say that that actual road trip is
very hills have eyes e.

Speaker 7 (16:45):
There's skad of.

Speaker 5 (16:45):
Places that you're like, I should not be spending the
night here in the middle of the desert. But yeah,
I was the same way, like, let me see the
dinosaur attractions on the side of the road, let me
see where Bigfoot came through. There's a line in here
that my brothers and I would always say to each other.
He slaps the possum and says, beat it, dufis, And
so we used to say that all the time.

Speaker 4 (17:08):
The mascot outside, he's like trying to force a hug
on Max. I very much related to this because when
we were Disney and there like go hug like Mickey,
I was like, that's terrifying. This is not a human
like I was like a dog who didn't understand, like like.

Speaker 2 (17:22):
A Mickey Mouse mascot, like when they're like three, they're
so scared of it.

Speaker 1 (17:26):
It's creepy.

Speaker 4 (17:27):
Giant rat is trying to hug you. No, thank you, okay.
So at the Gossom Park, Goofy is heartbroken. He's given
one hundred percent to make sure his son ends up
on the straight and narrow, and he can't get more
than two words out of him as they set up, can't.
Pete and PJ pull up in an oversized glamping RV,
father and some connect with their friends. Both feel the
other has what they need Max, which is he had
the money and the comforts PJ possesses. Goofy wants the

(17:49):
relationship Pete thinks he has with PJ. Pete tells Goofy,
if you keep them under your thumb, they'll never end
up in the gutter. PJ is afraid of his father
and they don't ever speak Pete just demands and PJ does,
but Goofy's concern forces him out of his comfort zone
and into that of a strict parent. Goofy's next move
is to teach Max the perfect cast hand down from

(18:13):
father to son for generations, but Goofy's dramatic flair entangles
a steak to his poll and instead of really in
a fish, he nabs a Bigfoot. Terrified the dude are
chasing to their vehicle. Goofy gets the video, but he
leaves it outside the car and the cryptid destroys the evidence. Unfortunately,
the keys to the vehicle have also been left outside.
Goofy heats up a can of soup with a cigarette
lighter and a pair of headphones, land on Bigfoot and

(18:34):
places the beg staying alive in a ridiculous, weird kind
of moment that I'm still not quite sure how happens.

Speaker 1 (18:41):
They definitely would just like we need like a big song.

Speaker 2 (18:44):
Yeah, also like Goofy, like I feel like again unsafe,
like lighting up a can of soup with a cigarette light.

Speaker 1 (18:54):
I just feel like this.

Speaker 2 (18:55):
He's not He's a loving parent, but he's not necessarily
like a responsible parent.

Speaker 4 (18:59):
He balances the can on the cigarette lighter, which children,
if you don't know, back in the day, cars used
to come with cigarette lighters and they were pushed. He
like push in a button and when it was done,
it would pop out, which means if he's pushed it
in to heat up the lighter, it's going to pop
when it's done, causing the can of soup spell everywhere.
But it's fine, the top's not punctured. He's a little chaotic,

(19:20):
but he's doing his He's a single father, Rosie, Okay.
He is trying.

Speaker 1 (19:24):
He's doing his best.

Speaker 3 (19:25):
Okay.

Speaker 4 (19:27):
And while he's trying, he's reminiscing about Max's childhood when
he used to spell out messages in his alphabet soup
I'm gonna cry. Max's heart softens a bit, and he
asks his father about his grandfather and their adventures. Some
peace begins to form and Max spells out Hi Dad.
With the last of his soup and unable to sleep,
Max writes a letter to Rex stand for she lies
about how excited he is to be going to power line.

(19:48):
Then he tries to write a letter revealing the truth,
but once again he stops short when he realizes she
may never speak to him again. He kicks the dashboard
out of frustration and outrolls Goofy's carefully planned map. An
idea begins to Max realizes he can direct them to
LA and away from the lake. He draws the route
and tears up his letter. I love this scene because

(20:09):
it's like very disneyified in the environment, is just tempting you.
Like he kicks the thing, the very dramatic red light
allah of the like suitcase in a pulp fiction. And
then the map rolls out and then the pencil in
a weird it's like a low angle on the map,
so the pencil becomes giant and it's rolling towards like
the whole universe.

Speaker 1 (20:29):
You should do this, Yeah, do it.

Speaker 4 (20:35):
So the next morning, at a diner, Goofy publicly announces
that Max is the official navigator of the trip. He
can pick all the stops because Goofy trusts him wholeheartedly,
he won't even look at the map. Max learns to
change a tire, takes his dad to an amusement park
with real roller coasters and a monster truck rally, all
of which seemed to be overstimulating for Goofy. Max notices

(20:55):
it takes them to the world's largest house of yarn.
He goes to New Orleans to visit a mime cave,
a bat and a baseball game, all of which had
moments that previously would have been mortifying to Max. But
now he's living in the moment. He's having fun with
his dad. And finally Max chooses an underwater themed hotel
called Neptunes. Pete shows up and instantly begins to sow
seeds of descent, suggesting Max it's tricking Goofy with the

(21:16):
buddy buddy act. Is Pete the number one hater?

Speaker 1 (21:19):
He is the number one hay.

Speaker 2 (21:20):
Also, like, this is a really interesting moment for me
when I rewatched the movie because it's a great thing
of like, if they had compromised first and planned the
trip together rather than Goofy just deciding what Max.

Speaker 1 (21:34):
Should do, they could have had a great time. Max
might have been more open to it, and you get
to learn that hit.

Speaker 2 (21:39):
But yeah, Pete is the number one hay and number
one villain of the movie.

Speaker 5 (21:43):
I have just say this in drama, this motel is
so iconic, it's like giving like it's the perfect road
trip hotel. They have the waterbed. This is also by
the way the most iconic pizza slice scene this is
when people talk about a Goofy movie pizza, the cheesy cheese.

Speaker 4 (22:05):
Like dripping off, so beautiful. And also we've all tripped
together before, and not with drugs, but let we've gone
on trips together, and we really love the idea that
apparently we'll make it happen done.

Speaker 1 (22:21):
But we have vacation together.

Speaker 4 (22:23):
We have vacation together, and I think the let's stay
in and eat a pizza night is like one of
my favorites.

Speaker 1 (22:29):
You always do on the best nights.

Speaker 2 (22:31):
Well we're on holiday, like what food can we get
and just stay in?

Speaker 1 (22:36):
And also I love like a themed motel.

Speaker 2 (22:39):
I always want to go and say, you know, in
a place like that. So I think they really sum
it up in a lovely way. And again very in
Goofy's Wheelhouse of Interest, so very sweet by Max.

Speaker 4 (22:51):
Yeah, they both get a kick out of it. And
it's really the first time, like through that montage and
then into this hotels the first time you start to
see them having fun and a green things and it's
so beautiful. So later Pete overhears Max tell PJ he
changed the map. Pete can't wait to tell Goofy because
he is, in fact the number one hater how bad
his son is.

Speaker 2 (23:12):
Ha.

Speaker 4 (23:13):
But Goofy is a great father. He's a great father.
And he says, I believe my son. So he tells
Pete Off. He says, my son loves me. But Pete answer,
he says, my son respects me. And here you have
the dichotomy of these two fathers and how they're raising
their children, who both happen to be good people, which
raises a lot of questions we can get into later.
So Goofy sees the map in the car. He doesn't

(23:34):
want to. He's like, I'm not gonna look at it.
It's gonna be fine. But he pulls the same move
Max does, which Max kicks the car out of frustration.
Goofy hits the steering a lot of frustration, and both
times the car said do you want to see the map?
And so he does. He peeps it and he comes
back to the hotel room and he's so dejected, but
he's like, I'm just gonna go to sleep and we'll
try again in the morning. In the morning, they're in

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the car, but he hasn't quite let it go. Goofy's
still pissed, and he tells Max, listen, you get to
choose the next turn. And he's trying. He's trying so
hard to believe. He's like, I believe that my son
is good cheese. But Max really wants to go to
La and go to that power Line concert, so he
takes him to La, and Goofy's so frustrated he has
to get out of the car. Like Max is trying
to engage him. He's like, Dad, let's play a game.

(24:16):
Let's do all these things that you know. When the
trip started, Goofy was trying to get Max do now.
Max trying to get Goofy to do but Max steps out.
Goofy steps out of the car. He's pissed, he's upset, frustrated.
Once again, Max kicks the car, but Goofy didn't lock
the steerion break because he's Goofy, And now the car
is rolling down the mountain. Do you chase the car?
And began to pick over who was responsible for the

(24:37):
ruined vacation. Max never wanted to be here. Goofy thinks
it's not fair that Max didn't give it a chance,
and they both end up in the river. Maxiclaars he
has his own life now, and in the most heartbreaking
scene in Disney history possibly, Goofy says, I know, I
just want to be a part of your life here,
my son, Max, and no matter how big you get,
you'll always be my son nobody else. Is the final

(25:01):
duet between our heroes and the lyrics. They harmonize for
the first time and sing the same lyrics. They're finally
finally on the same page. They're different, and they don't
understand each other one hundred percent, but they choose to
love one another to spite of and because of their differences.
Goofy kisses Max, and this time he accepts it. Max
sell's Goofy about Roxanne. As they float down the river,
Goofy decides is going to get Max on that power

(25:23):
line stage because he is the best father, but first.

Speaker 1 (25:27):
Is a great dad.

Speaker 4 (25:27):
They have to survive a joy enormous waterfall. Goofy casts
the perfect line connected to Max, who's been suspended in
the air by a tarp turned parachute. Again. In this way,
Max sort of becomes Goofy, accidentally falling into a safety net.
The pole snaps, though Max trying to hold on to
his dad, but the pole snaps, Goofy falls. You think
he's plumbing to his death, but oh no, Max has

(25:48):
internalized the perfect cast, and he uses half the pole
to do the perfect cast, he says his father. They
sneak into the power Line concert in instrument cases in
a very classic beautiful scene. They get to the stage
and we get to the best song of the film.
Oh it's eye to eye guys. We are in it
whoo and we can get these beautiful lyrics. Maybe we'll

(26:11):
discover that what we should have known all along, if
we listen to each other's hearts, we'll find we've never
too far apart. And maybe love is the reason why,
for the first time ever, we're seeing things eye to eye. Guys.
I'm embarrassed to say that. Tip me until I was
like late in high school to be like, oh this
song is about them. I just thought it was a
great pop song. They threw one at the end. It's like, oh,
this is really wrapping up the whole movie. What a

(26:32):
nice bo So Goofy ends up on stage his power
line the perfect Cast dance. Max joins him. He gets
to wave to Roxane Pete has to eat his words.
The school party is a hit. Now they're back home,
Goofy drops Max off to tell Roxan the truth because
again he is a what good father? He says, Hey,
even though you got away with it, you should probably

(26:52):
tell her the truth because if she can't forgive you
for this lie, she not the one for you. So
he comes clean. Rock Sanne does forgive him. She asked him,
but Max says, I need to day because I got
plans with my dad because they love each other. And
they listen and it's so good. He seems to deal
with the kiss. Goofy is still a goof and somehow
ends up crashing through the roof after attempting to fix
the car. But now Max is proud to introduce his

(27:14):
father to his girlfriend, and.

Speaker 2 (27:16):
That's as he did also do the.

Speaker 4 (27:25):
I think so importantly she and it's like, oh, all
these things I was in shamed and bears abelt, I
was actually also kind of like attracted to in another
person all these great I think if you have good parents,
sometimes you find yourself looking for the good qualities that
they had and other people and I think it's just
so beautiful. That's like, oh that was also there all along. Okay,

(27:45):
we're gonna go to an Abrek and when we come back,
we're talking a little bit more about the music and
about these wild reviews that said this movie wasn't good?
What was wrong with some of our favorite.

Speaker 1 (27:53):
Reviewers tits.

Speaker 4 (28:10):
And we are Okay. April seventhineteen ninety five, this movie
comes out. It's directed by Kevin Lima. He will go
on to make Tarzan and Enchanted. Thank you for your
contributions to culture, Kevin Lima, We love you for them.
He also worked on Babas Kids Like iconic animated film
Okay iconic So, as I said before the movie was conceived,

(28:31):
after the success of goof Troop, they were like, well,
age him up. It was inspired by Jeffrey Kattenberg's road
trip with his estranged daughter that brought them closer together. Allegedly,
Kazinberg did have some weird choices though. He wanted to
make Goofy have a regular voice, and he thought about
replacing Bill with Billy Crystal, I think, or somebody who
was equally not right for this rule, but Michael, I
just want.

Speaker 5 (28:51):
To say, Goofy, Goofy, those old goofy things that you
were alluding to. He does have a regular voice and
those there are a lot of like entertainment. Yes, so
it was like at the DMV or whatever, like those
old from like decades ago. He has a normal voice
in those, so that might have been.

Speaker 4 (29:08):
As a fan of both. Did you feel like he
should have Do you think you would have agreed? No,
you're absolutely not.

Speaker 5 (29:14):
It should be Bill Farmer.

Speaker 2 (29:16):
I was gonna say, like, Bill Farmer's voice is so iconic,
he's still the voice of Goofy.

Speaker 5 (29:21):
Now, yeah, he still is.

Speaker 2 (29:23):
We're gonna be having an interview with him. And also
we saw the Goofy movie.

Speaker 1 (29:28):
At the New BEV.

Speaker 2 (29:29):
He came and introduced it. Yea, his son, and it
was the first time they'd ever watched it together. He
did the voice.

Speaker 1 (29:34):
So like the right choice was made because Bill is
still hit that he is, let still the voice of Goofy.

Speaker 5 (29:39):
And I want to say, Goofy, this is I'm sorry,
I'm just like, no, get it. Goofy is the only one.
Goofy is the only one that we can of the
Disney characters that we can prove has had sex. Isn't
that crazy? Mickey doesn't have small children? Oh wow, Donald,
those are his nephews. Those are Don Nephie like the Core.

Speaker 1 (29:59):
Yes, that's true.

Speaker 5 (30:00):
Pluto, we don't know. Pluto could actually have like one
hundred and one downmation, like Pluto could be out there.

Speaker 4 (30:04):
Yeah, but it's just the dogs out here getting it okay.

Speaker 2 (30:07):
So yeah, like Mickey Mouse, I would say, you know,
in nineteen thirty three, allegedly Walt Disney said that Mickey
and Minni were married, I would say, in the main
cannon they have.

Speaker 5 (30:22):
That's his girlfriend, isn't it in the main canon?

Speaker 1 (30:24):
I think now it is. Yeah, it was just back
in the day that they got married. But also I.

Speaker 2 (30:29):
Would say in you know, in certain things like uh,
you know Mickey's Christmas Carol, he did bang in that.

Speaker 5 (30:38):
That's because he's not playing Mickey though he's playing.

Speaker 7 (30:42):
Saying, is is Bob Cratchit.

Speaker 5 (30:45):
Playing Bob Cratchett?

Speaker 4 (30:46):
So there we go, There we go.

Speaker 5 (30:48):
This is why people bring me on. I have to
bring the Disney lore as a Disney character, I have
to have the Disney lore. Disney lare is He's the
only one of the core like four, I'm not talking
about the other like you know yeah yeah, yeah, like
Little Mermaid she has a daughter. I'm talking about like
these core characters. Goofy's the only one, so I wait,
got he's got game.

Speaker 4 (31:10):
I need to know more about Goofy's hookup, who is
the baby, the sex lives of all of them, all
of the questions, there's a lot. Okay, So the film
was green lit by Jeffer Katzenberg, who said, but he
got fired in the middle of this. He had a
lot of issues with Eisner, and so Disney was sort
of like, I guess we have to release it. They
were we're just gonna release it in ninety four around
things Giving, but the Swan Princess and something else had

(31:33):
just come out, and then they also had like a
technical glitch, and so they were like, we're just gonna
hold it off until the summer next year. It wound
up making thirty seven point six million dollars at the
box office, which is not terrible. They did release the
same week as Brays. Yeah, you would be happy with that.
I mean, it costs eighteen million to make, so you
more than major budget back. And that's before VHS release, which,
to be fair, was kind of new around the time.

(31:54):
We vhs and rentals were maybe five six, seven years in.
But like the home video thing, was still coming around
to its height, so that maybe they weren't counting on that.
But I think it did pretty good. And they did
release it the same week as Bad Boys the Will
Smith Juggernaut, so that was a challenge. Also fun fact,
Jory Lawrence played Chad crazy. I had no idea Chad's

(32:15):
the buff guy that's hitting on Lauren is our blonde girl. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (32:20):
I was just like, I love those hits on Roxanne roxannetos.

Speaker 4 (32:23):
Yeah, iconic, iconic Chad character. Love having Joey Laurence. Okay,
let's get into these reviews. So they said this movie
is rotten on Rotten Tomatoes, which is nonsensical as I
think it's a very well crafted film. So Lewis Black
of The Austin Chronicle wrote, quote, the movie appears to
have forgotten that it is an adolescent angs drama about

(32:46):
his son's max ambivalent feelings about having Goofy as a dad.
The story is about a boy and a dad. It
is bland, a barely television length cartoon stretched out to
phil a feature and not much fun. What movie?

Speaker 1 (32:59):
Hey three you watching, mister Black?

Speaker 4 (33:01):
What happened? Why do you guys think that these reviewers
had such a different experience than how we've connected with
this film.

Speaker 5 (33:10):
Also, sorry, my friend's kat is snoring so bad. I
don't know if you can hear him.

Speaker 4 (33:14):
I currently, but if you can love a pet okay.

Speaker 5 (33:20):
The reason why is I think a lot of the
reviewers are actually above our generation, which God blessed, but
it just they you know, they were gen X like,
especially if you look at the reviews that came out
at that time. If you're old enough to review, then
you're probably not a child. And so I think it
developed like a cult. Like we said, we had it
on VHS, which means like we were all so limited.
We didn't have streaming back then, which means the VHS

(33:40):
types you had you were watching again and again and again.
So you kind of developed this this love, you know.

Speaker 2 (33:46):
And also there was an era around this time, the
eighties and nineties, where a movie could allegedly be a
failure right right true Romance, the Tarantino written Tony's Got
directed movie, which also.

Speaker 1 (34:01):
Did not make money at the cinema, but.

Speaker 2 (34:04):
Then on VHS it takes on a whole new world
and makes a ton of money, finds a whole new
audience that was a legitimate way for a movie to.

Speaker 1 (34:13):
Be successful, and I think you're right.

Speaker 2 (34:15):
I also think that they're coming in on this as like,
why isn't this Beauty and the Beast, Why isn't this
the Lion King?

Speaker 1 (34:23):
Why isn't this the Little Mermaid?

Speaker 7 (34:25):
You know?

Speaker 2 (34:26):
And it's like, no, there can be different types of animation,
And in this way, this was actually I think ahead
of its time because it's more in that anime style
storytelling where it's like, well, yeah, you can do a
huge cinematic family movie based on a fairy tale, but
you can also do a slice of life story about
the small, intimate moments of having a family. So in

(34:49):
that way, it's very gibblish. It's very anime and very
ahead of its time, and these reviewers were clearly not
ready for that. They had also probably none of them
watched a goof Troop, so they probably had no idea
going in what the movie was gonna be about or
like alike, it's.

Speaker 5 (35:08):
So culture forward too, like it's so like fun and
I think, yeah, at the time, you know, Disney was
in their Princess still are but like, you know, he
to have yeah Jasmine, And then I mean and before that,
Little Mermaid and Bell and like and that this was
not that. So it came out in the height of

(35:29):
those nineties, you know, princess movies to be something so different,
And and I like that it stars a guy. I
feel like you said, like we don't always get that.
We had Aladdin, but like we don't really we didn't
have a ton of that, and so to have this
kind of like dealing with toxic masculinity before we were
talking about that. Yeah, I think that's why they're literally
a different generation.

Speaker 2 (35:50):
Yeah. And I think it's very interesting too, because the
none of the reviews at the time or any of
the conversation around it really reckoned with or even mentioned
the fact that it's like an interesting representation of like
a father and son going on a trip together, like
something we don't get in a lot of movies anyway.

(36:11):
You're much more likely to get movies about three male
friends going together somewhere than a man and his son.
I feel like they really missed the kind of thing
that makes the movie special. And I think it's very
interesting that it took such a long time. Also, the
one I really want to call out, Sorry, Todd McCarthy,
I believe you are still writing but for Variety, Like

(36:33):
this man criticized the film's score, which is crazy music,
and I'm like, sah, do you have ears?

Speaker 4 (36:42):
Who does the matrix score? Like this guy goes on
to do the matrix score. They're two composers. The first
composer used a lot of weird instruments to do the composition,
and Disney was like, we want something that's a little
more cohesive and familiarly, brought in a second guy. The
second guy, Barwell.

Speaker 1 (36:57):
Who did that score.

Speaker 2 (36:59):
Did Miller Is Crossing raising Arizona? Yeah, blood, simple, like joke.

Speaker 4 (37:04):
There's zero schmucks on this music, like experience and it's wild.

Speaker 5 (37:09):
Also, like Tevin Campbell, they perfectly embodied the like ven
diagram of Michael Jackson and Prince and like they have
yeah power Line, Like those power Line songs are still hit,
Like they're still so good. Yeah, that's crazy.

Speaker 4 (37:28):
If we look at the San Francisco Chronicle, Peter Stack
wrote that this movie was brutal and quote, there's no
denying that a goofy movie can't be a proud moment
for Walt Disney Pictures. I think the other thing we
remember historically is like Disney's renaissance had just begun. It
starts with a little Mermaids and they go into beating
the Beast, and then Pocahontas and Aladdin. I think it's
the order, and so you have this like it's fantastic

(37:50):
but relatively short run of great films, and I do
think there was a concern that they were going to
go back to like The Black Cauldron, which has its fans,
but Listen was was a low point for any financially,
ticket sales wise, and reputation.

Speaker 5 (38:03):
Great mouse Detective, Yes, we are a great mouse detectives.

Speaker 4 (38:07):
We are still find to be chronic to us.

Speaker 2 (38:11):
Well, the truth is, like Disney doesn't Back then, Disney
didn't do bad animated movies like aesthetically, so you would
always find something really beautiful in them. But whether or
not they were having those you know, groundbreaking successes like
that they had launched with like Snow White or Sleeping Beauty,
all these kind of peaks of animation, and also they
were finally coming up against other people, yeah, you know,

(38:34):
twentieth century Fox.

Speaker 1 (38:35):
Don Bluth doing stuff.

Speaker 2 (38:37):
So I think it was Anastasia the most legendary and
one of the only movies that can really compare to
like a true Disney Princess movie banger songs. It was.

Speaker 1 (38:50):
Yeah, I think you're right.

Speaker 2 (38:51):
It was like a tough time, but I think that
this movie is it's really aged very well, and I
love the thirty years later, like we're still talking about
it and we're kind of you know, there's going to
be like a week of screenings that the El Capitan,
and there will probably be multiple other cinemas around the
country that are playing it too, Like this is going

(39:12):
to be something that's celebrated, and I hope that this
makes people check it out on Extra Vision. That was
what I was going to ask you guys before we
head into our ad break, what is your like one
line pitch, like if somebody has yet to watch it.
They listened to our recap and they were like, well
I heard the recap, Like what what would be like
your pitch to them right now of why they should
go and put this on Disney Plus.

Speaker 5 (39:32):
For me, it's like the pop culture that we said,
like just bangers nineties songs, but also, do y'all remember
that book as long as I'm living.

Speaker 4 (39:42):
Might be yeah all the time.

Speaker 5 (39:48):
Yeah, that's basically what that like. Hi Dad, soup like
scene is and so yeah, it's it's really I do
have to say sorry. I just wanted to say really
quick that my theory that Goofy and Powerline are actually
really finish with this. Okay, please listen, go and watch it.
Watch it right now. Goofy. You know, he slides onto
the stage, he starts doing the perfect cast. Power Line

(40:11):
finishes the move with him. He does with him with him.
People argue with me, no, no, no, watch it step
by step. He's watching him. He's like, oh, he's doing
the perfect cast, which I also know. And so they
finish the perfect cast. They do it. He finishes that
move with him. How would he know how it ends?

(40:31):
How would he know how it ends? It means that
they're in the same family tree. Power Line should be
at the family read it. They are related. If that's
his pass down thing, they actually he's a distant cousin.
They are related. He's not teaching it to him. Watch it.
Don't fight with me, don't at me. It's true. He
finishes it with him. So and everyone's like, he's just

(40:53):
a quick learner. How did he know the ending? He's psychic.

Speaker 7 (40:56):
He's psychic.

Speaker 5 (40:57):
He's not psychic.

Speaker 7 (40:58):
There really is gonna.

Speaker 2 (41:00):
Be your Goofy movie sequel coming soon.

Speaker 5 (41:04):
Anyways, that's my sorry. I've seen it like a thousand times.

Speaker 4 (41:08):
Do not apologize. I argue with Danny. Go check it
going on the Lord. Okay, they're related. I love it. Danny,
Thank you so much for joining us. We loved having
you here. Appreciate you all right, serience before we dive

(41:39):
in or you get for us to just start firing
off the questions.

Speaker 3 (41:43):
That's about it.

Speaker 4 (41:44):
It looks beautiful Bill.

Speaker 6 (41:47):
Some hair, Bill, Kevin, you're looking great too.

Speaker 2 (41:50):
I love the glosses. This is a powerful glosses crew.
Everyone here wearing some friend here.

Speaker 4 (41:58):
We love it. What's his were her name?

Speaker 3 (42:03):
So it's Goofy's own dog.

Speaker 4 (42:05):
So gonna cry. That's so beautiful. Oh my gosh. Well,
thank you for sharing Skipper with us here on Extra Vision.
We love a dog sighting. We get very excited about them.

Speaker 7 (42:17):
Yes we do.

Speaker 4 (42:19):
You guys are here today because there's a new documentary
coming out called Not Just a goof which we loved.
I was texting at Rosie this morning. I was like,
I did not anticipate crying this much in the documentary
about one of my favorite films.

Speaker 2 (42:34):
We was crying.

Speaker 7 (42:35):
There was a little crying going on. It was very emotional.

Speaker 6 (42:38):
I find it so interesting that people who people who
have never seen a Goofy movie cry during this documentary.

Speaker 3 (42:44):
Yeah, oh yeah, I think it's amazing.

Speaker 4 (42:47):
It's a beautiful love letter what is for a lot
of us like a really classic film. And I learned
so much watching it. But I think what was most
important was, like, how much of a musical fan Kevin is,
which I did it? You know, I mean looking at
your body of work like it should have been obvious,
but like watching the sequence for Ida I Come Together
was thurrilling. I didn't realize that you guys had actually

(43:10):
choreographed it and shot it. And I also didn't realize
how many songs got left on the cutting room floora
there was a song dedicated to Raksan and one where
Maxine's about being a bad boy in the principal's office.
I just sort of wanted to start with a long
view on the music, which I think is extremely iconic
from this film. I wanted to start with, is there
a song that you left on the cutting room floor

(43:30):
that you wish had made it to the film.

Speaker 6 (43:34):
Oh, gosh, boy, I think every I mean every song
that was cut was cut for really good reason.

Speaker 5 (43:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (43:41):
I mean the one we tried the most to get
into the movie was Pete singing a song to Goofy
about his son going down the bad path.

Speaker 1 (43:50):
Oh.

Speaker 6 (43:51):
I've written three or four versions of that song, attempting
to musicize that moment. And I mean we had some
easy We did storyboards for some of them. I think
it's a little snippet of it in the documentary there
is of one of those songs. Yeah, And we tried
and tried and tried and tried it, and we just
couldn't get it to work. We just in the movie

(44:11):
kept telling us, Nope, just doesn't want to be here.

Speaker 3 (44:14):
Yet doesn't want to be here, shouldn't be there.

Speaker 6 (44:16):
You can do it easily in just this one little scene.
You don't need to take three minutes to tell this idea.

Speaker 4 (44:23):
You know, maybe if Disney gives you a full stage musical,
there'll be a way.

Speaker 2 (44:29):
That's why we bring the extra songs like Bevy and
the Beast, right, I like, actually.

Speaker 6 (44:33):
I'll give you a little like little maybe look into
the future. I've been asking them about creating Disney yea
creating a stage licensing version for high schools. High schools
want it, they wanted to, They asked for it all
the time. So I actually sort of put my hat
in the ring and said, hey, I'd like to really
do this.

Speaker 4 (44:54):
All the way back in two thousand and seven, I
saw Tarzian when it was on Broadway and was totally
blown aways, like a high school trip. My mom was
taking me for my graduation, and I remember being like, Oh,
why isn't every musical a stage production? I love that idea.
That would be me and I would love to see,
like so many people already do, the like I performance.

(45:16):
You see a little bit of that at the end
of the documentary as well. How many people like cause
play it? And that Oh Man, Disney, I was actually
Vision Indorses. I don't know if you care about our opinion,
but we would love to see I know.

Speaker 7 (45:26):
I'm like, please, Disney.

Speaker 2 (45:27):
Because also I'm saying start off with the stage license
for the high school.

Speaker 7 (45:31):
Kids, because they want it. They love it.

Speaker 2 (45:32):
They probably grew up with XAF parents our age. But
California Adventure has that little theater where they do twenty
minute musicals. They have the event they did the Avengers
Rogers musical there. I took my sister and her kids
to see the Frozen musical there many times it used
to be home to Aladdin. So a goofy movie, a

(45:53):
goofy musical. I feel like people would could Bill.

Speaker 3 (45:58):
I've been singing more now with the different venues than
I ever have.

Speaker 7 (46:05):
What's your favorite song to sing though?

Speaker 3 (46:07):
Of that? Probably gosh? Well, this last year in July,
I got to sing on the Hollywood Bowl stage on
the Open Road, so the Open Road and with Corbyn
Blue because Jason Marsen wasn't available. But I am singing
with Jason this summer on the Disney on a Disney

(46:28):
Cruise ship. I'm not sure which ship yet, but so yeah,
it's It's comeback full force.

Speaker 2 (46:35):
That Corbyn was amazing in those shows too. That was
such a great pull.

Speaker 4 (46:41):
It was wonderful. Okay, you just mentioned one of my
favorite songs on the Open Road, which.

Speaker 7 (46:45):
I knew you were going to ask you.

Speaker 4 (46:46):
I have to jump in with it. So on the
Open Road. There's a great YouTuber who has sort of
broken down the music of a goofy movie and compared
it to the classic Disney musical structure.

Speaker 3 (46:58):
Which is really interesting.

Speaker 4 (47:00):
Because without a romance being the a story of this film,
it puts a lot of twists on some of the songs,
including On the Open Road, which they defined as a
villain song, and now I can't stop thinking about how
it operates like a villain song in that Goofy the
whole time is telling Max like what he's gonna do,
and it's the exact opposite of what Max desire. Max

(47:22):
wants to go home becose He's like, we're moving further
away from home. Max wants to be with the rock stand.
Goofy's like, we gotta focus on all of these past
memories with my dad, and so it creates like such
a strong dichotomy between the two of them, And I
was like, well, since Kevin's here, maybe we could ask
did you view on the Open Road when it was
being crafted.

Speaker 6 (47:41):
I never thought of it as a villain song. But
He's absolutely right, because I think these characters, Max and
Goofy are both the heroes and the villains of the movie.
HM right.

Speaker 8 (47:54):
They each share that complex duality which I think makes
it really interesting to It was interesting for us to
write and for Bill to sort of find his way
through the performance.

Speaker 2 (48:10):
Yeah, Bill, what was it like for you to bring
this new kind of humanity to Goofy? Because that was,
as we watch in the documentary, that was a lot
of what some people weren't ready for. I think it
was ahead of its time. I mean, Joelle knows this,
but my husband he talks a lot about going to
see this movie with his.

Speaker 7 (48:31):
Dad and just being like.

Speaker 2 (48:32):
So moved and also so mad at Max because he
felt like Goophy was such a good dad and Max
just didn't appreciate him. And that makes very close to
his dad, So I think that really spoke to him. Bill,
What was it like to bring that aspect to Goofy
and get to kind of expand the character that we
have mostly known as this kind of short Goofiness without

(48:55):
the relationship.

Speaker 3 (48:57):
That was probably the most difficult thing about the the
creation process is to give you. Goofy was already well
known obviously since the nineteen thirties, so he kind of
had a set pattern with things, and up to that
point with goof Troop and everything, it was that high
energy Saturday morning kind of energy, slapstick comedy kind of thing.

(49:20):
He never had to be a nurturing father, He never
had to really worry about Max and these other emotions,
these other facets to that Goofy diamond that we got
to show that were there but had never been shown,
And you want to be true to the character and
still get those emotions apart across. That was the hardest

(49:41):
part for me was to where does the human emotion
end and the goofiness begin. You don't want to go
too much on either side. Are you're going to lose
what that scenes about? That was the hardest part, and
we recorded over and over a lot of lines to
find the right essence that came out. And so yeah,

(50:05):
it was it was a little difficult for me, but
we got to expand upon the character. And maybe that's
why I'm still doing it after thirty eight years. I
finally discovered who this character is.

Speaker 6 (50:18):
All the meltdounds were worth it, philm Yeah, yeah, you know.

Speaker 4 (50:25):
You really have like to me like you are Goofy.
I was born in eighty nine, and so like my
introduction to Goofy, Lazie, let's eve been doing this since
nineteen ninety. I went back, you know, earlier we were
talking to our friend Janny Fernandez, who's a super fan.
She's dressed up as many of the main characters over
the years from this movie. And she had told me

(50:46):
about Bob Jackman, who like did a regular voice when
he was doing the voice of Goofy, and so I
was like, well, let me go back and look at
some of the old and like sort of track the
evolution of Goofy's voice. So Pindle Covid is like between
thirty two thirty eight and then comes back between I
think forty four and sixty seven or something like that,
and he's got the yuck down. He's like, you know,

(51:07):
But then Stewart you can it comes along and he
like really delivers like old timey yokl. Then George Johnson
comes in and he slows the voice down a lot
and it's a little bit deeper we just mentioned. Jackman
comes in after that, he's like, none of that messiness.
It's just a straight dad voice, which.

Speaker 3 (51:22):
Faye thing it was weird. So you hear swing, I'm
so impressed.

Speaker 6 (51:29):
I just have to interrupt this.

Speaker 3 (51:32):
Yeah, I am, I am too. There's a lot of
names there that you normally don't hear.

Speaker 2 (51:37):
This is the podcast where we truly just nerd out
and geek out about stuff.

Speaker 7 (51:42):
We love, so there's always a lot of resuch.

Speaker 2 (51:44):
Yeah, I was.

Speaker 4 (51:45):
I was blown away because it like you get to
how Smith in sixty seven eighty three and he's kind
of doing a combo of like Pinto and that slowed
down version. So I wanted to ask you, like, when
you approached Goofy, like were you looking like what parts
were you trying to bring in? And what do you
think is your signature? Because I feel like your Goofy nails,
I mean like the dad like warm sort of aspect

(52:07):
that sort of takes Goofy from like a friend of
Mickey to like father of Max, which you know, for
the argation is really important.

Speaker 3 (52:16):
Well, every project kind of brings a little different view
of Goofy. Sometimes on you know, Mickey Mouse Clubhouse or
something that's for the little kids, and so it's a sweeter, gentler,
kind of kinder on the Mickey shorts, it's more nineteen
thirty two slapstick kind of wild Goofy. In a Goofy movie,
it's the nurturing father and that side of him. So

(52:38):
those are what you have to show. But when I
did the audition, I just got a cassette of mostly
Pento Colvig and the nineteen thirties Goofies and said match this.
So it was a copy and Goofy was my favorite
character ever since I was a kid, so maybe i'd
practiced that more. But so as long as I could

(52:59):
copy that, I got the job. And then for the
first couple of years it's trying to find out who
is this guy? How would he say other things? And
I got to do a spiel at Disneyland where I
was doing the spiel for the Mono rail, which is
not written for Goofy, So how do you make that
sound like Goofy and it's not written for him with

(53:21):
any of the gorge or anything like that, the you know,
the trademark, the signature lines. That was really the first
time I thought, well, I just need to get inside
the head of this guy and learn because it's the
personality and the emotion that you're putting out there that
really defines the character. The voice is important, but it's

(53:43):
really it's not really voice acting. It's voice acting. It's
the acting that brings the character to life.

Speaker 7 (53:52):
I love that, and you've brought him to life so wonderfully.

Speaker 2 (53:55):
I mean, even I just think about how I was
recently at Disney World with my niece.

Speaker 7 (53:59):
And neph you and when we went on.

Speaker 2 (54:02):
The rail the Runaway Railroad ride, which is just a delight,
and we had the song stuck in our head for
a long time.

Speaker 7 (54:09):
Nothing can stop us now, you know.

Speaker 2 (54:12):
But Goofy's there and they're like, oh, it's Goofy from
a Goofy movie.

Speaker 7 (54:17):
That's where they know him from, you know.

Speaker 2 (54:19):
And I feel like that prominence is why he's leading
a ride like that, and I think that's just magical sperience.

Speaker 3 (54:28):
Being at comic cons. At comic cons, a Goofy movie
is absolutely the number one thing that people talk about
for moment, of all the other series and everything I've
done a Goofy movie Reign Supreme, I guess you might say.

Speaker 2 (54:44):
And I was going to say, like, and the documentary
not a goof does talk about this, but what has
it been like for you when you know? And we
talked about this with Danny when we had her on
as part of this episode. But you know, the review
were honestly, they feel ridiculous when you read that now,
and it must we were reading some of our favorite

(55:05):
worst ones that we were just like, this is just
a complete generational misunderstanding of what the movie was. But
what's it been like for you to get to this
place where at comic cons this is the movie that
people want to talk about. You're doing panels and there's
standing room only, a thousand people getting turned away, and

(55:28):
families who have now grown up and raised kids and
it's their favorite movie and it's their kids' favorite movie.
What's that experience been like to see it change?

Speaker 3 (55:38):
It's interesting because what happens a lot people, as I say,
come up and say thanks for my childhood all this
kind of stuff. But it's so funny how many parents
will come up and say, you know, when I was
a kid, I was on Max's side. Now I've got kids,
I totally understand goofy its own circle of life.

Speaker 6 (56:00):
We can only hope that that keeps going and going
and going right, that they seeing it, and that parents
are showing their kids. Those kids will then show it
to their kids exactly. It sort of shares that universal
message right about growing up and about understanding.

Speaker 3 (56:16):
Yeah, everyone gets it, Yeah, totally.

Speaker 4 (56:19):
You know, Rosie and I were at the New BEV
when they did the thirty five millimeter print screening and
Bill you have brought your son there and Kevin. In
the documentary, you talk a lot about, you know, your
own experience with your father and how that influenced the film,
and I was wondering if you could just talk a
little bit about that circle and how you guys fit

(56:39):
into it and how it sort of impacted the creation
of the film and how it impacts you know, your
relationship with it thirty years on.

Speaker 6 (56:49):
I always thought, you know, when I came into the
movie to begin with, I just thought it was would
be a stepping stone to be critogno with you. I thought, Okay,
this is what I'm going to make. This is only
opportunity so I can go on and work at feature
animation and do some bigger movie. And what I recognized
in the making of the movie that I was really
exploring my own relationship with my father, which is not

(57:13):
a great relationship in maybe living out some sort of
fantasy is to this is maybe what a good relationship
feels like it can make its way through rocky times.
So I learned a big lesson making this movie, and
it's that you've got to bring a piece of yourself
to everything you create, really, and that became sort of

(57:36):
my mantra in creating art is how do I bring
myself to this?

Speaker 3 (57:45):
Yeah, Well, from an actor standpoint, my son, who was
also born in nineteen eighty nine and was about five
years old when the movie came out, he was obviously
my Max that I could relate to those feelings and
with that, So when I was actually talking to Max,
I was really talking to my son Austin and imagining that.

(58:08):
So he was a great acting tool.

Speaker 7 (58:12):
Bill.

Speaker 2 (58:13):
You mentioned that the two of you when you were
at the New Beverly, that the two of you hadn't
necessarily sat down and watched it on a big screen
right for the first time in a long time. What
was it like to see it? Because that was a
lively screening, We had sing alongs, people were so passionate
about it. What was he like for the two of
you to sit down and get to experience it.

Speaker 3 (58:34):
It's always great to revisit the film. I mean even
today I see things that I didn't really see, or
I see in a different way. For example, I know
that Jason one of his favorite scenes in the movie
is were Pete and Goofy are in the hot tub. Well,
that is uh, that is that is really me that's

(59:04):
where I'm kind of shifting towards my emotions for that
particular scene and hearing it. I didn't like that scene
at first because I thought, oh, that's too much me,
it's not enough Goofy. But I have grown to love
it because it works and it's not me. Oh I'm
hearing too much of me, not enough Goofy. But that's
what that scene called for, that realism.

Speaker 4 (59:27):
It's he as an adult, like he's here's a guy
who has a friend who's also a boss, who is
so down on the way he wants to have a
relationship with his son. That whole idea, like the the
conclusion of pe in this movie is so brilliant to
me in that it really solidifies like how good a
tag Goofy is the I think the line that sticks

(59:48):
out most with me is like, uh, you know, oh
my son loves me? Well, my son respects me. It's like, bro,
like you'll have a relationship with PJ. You just yell
at him and he does what you say, and so
to see, like so to get Goofy a dad who's
like so invested and you know, to go back to
what you were saying, Kevin, you know, this you were
trying to create, like this idealized dad. I have a

(01:00:12):
very idealized relationship with my father, Like I love my
dad like he's been he showed me movies growing up.
It was the language which was we learned to communicate
with one another. And it's so wild to see how
much Goofy is sort of mirrored am my dad is
this creaty he'll do? Like when I was little, he
liked to perform a chicken dance in the middle of
like a crowded room, Like, oh my god, Dad, no, what.

Speaker 3 (01:00:33):
Are you doing that so much?

Speaker 4 (01:00:36):
But there was so much you know, loving and trying
to develop a relationship there. And I think what I
find so incredible about the documentary was seeing how many people,
no matter the relationship, what they had with their father,
whether it was this, you know, a beautiful bond or
something more distant. Everyone said, but Goofy is like the
idealized dad, Like that's who you would want. And I
think that your dream is I'm gonna cry has touched

(01:01:00):
all of us in a way that's been such like
a profound, lasting impact. I think you see it the
most when they make the turn to go to the
concert You're like, I can't believe he's going to try
to get his son this wild, impossible dream and it's
so beautiful. You know, we've talked a little bit about
doing the cons and the panels and stuff, but knowing
this legacy is there, and then getting to interact with

(01:01:21):
the fans. You know, I love asking this question. Do
you guys have a like, most treasured or favorite interaction
with a fan who connected to this film?

Speaker 3 (01:01:30):
Oh? My gosh, yes, Actually I can relate a story.
It happened at a comic con not too long ago,
actually during last summer, I believe, and a guy came
up and he was crying a little bit, and he
was waiting until the line kind of got low so

(01:01:51):
he could talk to me privately, and he said, I
got to tell you saved my life. He said, my
mom when that movie came out, my dad had left.
My mom was like on cocaine and she would like
pass out on the couch and she would lock me

(01:02:11):
and my sister in the bedroom, and so for entertainment
we'd watch a goofy movie. And he said, you became
my dad for that length of time, for a couple
of years, and I just want to thank you. You
know when you hear that kind of profound story that this, Wow,
it's not just a movie. It is an experience, and

(01:02:34):
it's an experience that people go through and they relate
to and it's a teaching moment if you, I don't know,
if you want Goofy to teach you something.

Speaker 6 (01:02:46):
It's pretty good.

Speaker 3 (01:02:49):
But that just struck me. Wow, this is so important
to so many people that I had no idea, and
getting to meet the fans is such a great thing
because it is important on a much deeper level than
anyone would really ever think.

Speaker 6 (01:03:06):
Yeah, yeah, you have to be really I think you
have to be really careful when you make these kinds
of movies because they have a life of their own.
They go out into the world and you have no
idea how they're going to affect others. Yeah, being so
being truthful is really really important.

Speaker 7 (01:03:22):
M hmm.

Speaker 4 (01:03:24):
You guys nailed it. Keaven Bill, this was so wonderful
or so honest.

Speaker 1 (01:03:29):
Honestly, I talked to you about this all day.

Speaker 2 (01:03:32):
Yes, I was definitely Uh Joe Elverin sweetly didn't like make.

Speaker 7 (01:03:37):
The direct correlation, but I was.

Speaker 2 (01:03:39):
I was definitely somebody who it was a Goofy was
my was my dad when I didn't have one. So
I'm definitely in that. I'm definitely in that me and
my sister had this on VHS. I think a generation
of us we were raised. Yeah, we were raised by it,
you know, we were raised by the movie and you're
and we were lucky that it was such a thoughtful movie,

(01:04:01):
such a movie that was so ahead of its time
when it came to the way that men are allowed
to relay emotions.

Speaker 7 (01:04:08):
So many movies.

Speaker 2 (01:04:09):
Don't allow that. They don't allow male friendship, whether it
be good or bad. They don't allow fathers and sons
to be emotional, fathers and children to be emotional. So yeah,
we're very grateful not only for your time of coming
on the podcast, but for the movie and how much
it means to both of us as career journalists and podcasters,

(01:04:30):
but also as friends because we do we love this
movie together.

Speaker 3 (01:04:33):
Well, talk about thank you so much, and I know
Goofy would say, thanks guys.

Speaker 2 (01:04:41):
Oh my god, my height, good dream.

Speaker 4 (01:04:45):
Thank you all so much for being here.

Speaker 6 (01:04:48):
You're welcome. Thank you so much for having us.

Speaker 4 (01:04:51):
All right, and that's our show, guys, thanks for listening.
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