March 26, 2025 • 34 mins
The signal leak, the bad and the good…and where it goes from here!
The FBI is launching a task force to investigate whether Tesla owners have been targeted by “domestic terrorism.” RORY O’NEILL is back with the story.
The big buzz is the possible breach and it was the topic of a Senate Intelligence briefing Tuesday. YMS Senior contributor Dave Zanotti joins us to discuss the mistake that was made, who’s to blame and what is the best way to move forward.
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with David in Tulsa, Oklahoma.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
Do something I've had on my mind about the Fighting
Oligarchy tour. I don't hear it as we are fighting
against the oligarchy. I hear it more like the fighting Irish,
as in go Oligarchs, kid Map for the Day, the
last I remember to go look for the truth in
John fourteen six.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
Appreciate the good word.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
Roger kste In, Sacramento, California.
Speaker 4 (01:29):
Mornie Michael. When I hear that the Democrats need to rebrand,
it makes me think it's like some advertising agency just
put in a new name on a product nobody wants anyway.
Maybe there's some other way to describe it, you know,
maybe it's you know, repair, rebuild, repent, and go send
no more.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (01:49):
It just makes me think, like I don't want to
just to see a new face on something I don't
want anyway.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
You know, it's interesting somebody probably looked at their radio
made a face it. Really they really need to repent.
They need to turn and go in a different direction
because their problem is not image. Their problem is not
a brand problem. Their problem is their worldview, their platform itself,
their party. No repent is closer to it. Ukraine and
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Russia are agreeing to a limited cease fire. We are
taking steps towards peace between Ukraine and Russia. You didn't
hear much about it the media because they were all
focused on the big the leak, the signal leak. And
for the administration, how they handled it, transparency, loyalty, directly, flawlessly,
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and for the president. He stands behind Mike Waltz, no firing,
though he leans and says, although I think we've learned
our lesson right. It's a different president, isn't it all together?
PBSNPR are set to appear before the Doge Subcommittee today,
and the FBI is launching a task force to investigate
whether Tesla owners have been targeted by domestic terrorism. Rory
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o'neilis here with the story. Good morning, Rory, Yeah, Michael,
good morning.
Speaker 5 (03:04):
We saw a post on x from the FBI Director
Cash Pttel talking about how the task force will work
in conjunction with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.
After this series of attacks either on individual cars and
their owners, or on Tesla charging stations or on Tesla dealerships,
then this has been something happening now with increasing frequency
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all across the country. Seems no corner of the lower
forty eight is spared from this, and it's reached the
level of the FBI director, the US Attorney General, even
President Trump have talked about this vandalism in these attacks
on these vehicles, which are now being called acts of
domestic terrorism. So if you think that the puncturing a
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tire or spray painting a wall, smashing a window might
get you a slap on the wrist by your local prosecutor,
in this case it could be elevated to a federal crime,
then you'd be looking at twenty years in a federal prism.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
And you know there are a lot of electric vehicles
that are made that they're only targeting Tesla because of
Elon Musk. So it's clearly a targeting. It's clearly for
a political purpose and presumed forced change. I mean, it
really does meet the definition. The question is finding them
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and then prosecuting them for it. And then you got
your first example right.
Speaker 5 (04:26):
Well right, And then they're also trying to find out
if these are acts being undertaken by lone wolves or
is this something that's been coordinated nationally, and that's the
bigger concern. We know that website has been out there
listing all the locations of every Tesla based on vehicle
registration data, and that the cursor for that website is
a Molotov cocktail. So clearly that message is getting out
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there to people.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
Or He's gonna be back.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
In the third hour, We're going to talk a little
bit about these steps towards a cease fire and maybe
steps towards peace between Russia and Ukraine more with Rory
coming up on that. Thanks Rory. The big buzz, of course,
is the signal breach. It became the topic of a
Senate intelligence briefing yesterday, David Sinati or your Morning Show
(05:12):
senior contributories also the CEO of the American Policy Roundtable
and host of the Public Squares joining us to discuss
the mistake that was made, who's to blame, and what's
the best way to move forward. And I did an
opening monologue this morning, David, and I just started with.
For me, my main takeaway is why are we using
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a free app? I mean, if we learned anything from
the social dilemma, if something's free, that means you're the product.
But it happened, and an unlike Watergate, where the cover
up and how you handle what happened was worse than
what actually happened. This administration couldn't have been more upfront,
more transparent. And I saw Donald Trump stand by Waltz.
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I saw Waltz not revealing anybody that may have been responsible,
and the President talk about how he doesn't think he
needs to apologize. He certainly doesn't need to be fired.
But then he leaned in and said, but I don't
think he's going to use it again, you know, kind
of a thing. And so we see a change in
Donald Trump in this administration, and that, to me personally,
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is an answer to prayer. This is a different guy.
Are you having struggles hearing us? I don't think we have. David,
you might want to call the backup the phone. Wait
now I heard you. What did you say, David talk?
I don't think he can he can't hear us. All right,
call on the phone. But just to reiterate what I
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did in the five o'clock hour, to hide from this
would have been a huge mistake. To point fingers at
Goldberg would have been a huge mistake. Although I think
somebody needs to find out how coincidentally it ends up
being the editor in chief that is on that line
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of an enemy, the Atlantic. I don't think that's a coincidence.
That's number one. But how do you get on who
made the mistake? How to handle it? Was loyalty, And
I say that because they couldn't defeat one Donald Trump
in twenty twenty four, and now you have his cabinet,
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his dream team, and now you've got to try to
defeat twelve thirteen of them, and they're all staying together.
My brother has an expression for my family. He means
it in the kindest way. He goes, your family's thickest thieves.
When it comes to this entire cabinet, they're thickest thieves,
not in the sense that they're thieves, but they are
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loyal and they're a team, and no one gets in
the way of that. So, if this was an attempt
to try to get Hegseth to fall, because you couldn't
get him to fall in the nominating process, If this
was an attempt to distract you from the process in
progress being made with Ukraine and Russia, this administration couldn't
have had handled it more transparently upfront yesterday and with
a great sense of loyally the proofs to me, Donald
Trump is a different Donald Trump and a much humbler
(08:08):
leader this time. David, what was your take from the
long and short of everything yesterday. I'm almost glad it
happened for what I've seen.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
Good morning, Michael, and thank you for your thoughts.
Speaker 6 (08:20):
I'm not certain, but I confess to you that I'm
scarred to be totally as honest as I know how
to be. I have watched Republicans steal defeat from the
jaws of victory so many times in the last forty
five years, and it always happens the same way.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
It happens through sloppiness. It happens through.
Speaker 6 (08:44):
Mistakes, and then mistakes become cover ups, and cover ups
become defiant and then the next thing, you know, the
air of scandal arises. I've seen that happen over and
over and over again. So my perspective is reactionary to
this one. I don't see it quite the way you
see it, because I think what's happened here is given
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the other side an opportunity to really make the administration
look bad. And what I mean by that is this,
most people don't know what signal is, they don't know
how it works, and they also don't know how members
of the cabinet are to communicate effectively with each other.
And there's been a long platform built now on this
question of Hillary's emails and then Trump's use of documents
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at mar A Lago and so on and so forth.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
So the Democrats have what they want.
Speaker 6 (09:32):
They have confusion, they have a mistake, and they have
the opportunity to build a narrative in the media that
is waiting. I mean, the Atlantic right now is having
a field day with all of this, and their site
is saturated with all of it, as are all the
other sites.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
That and that, and that will feed at the end,
and that will feed the intelligency at universities. It arrives
like a briefing that'll feed MSNB and CNN. But all right,
so that is a I guess it's a bone, and
they're on it, and I think the goal. The goal
could be to put a chink in the armor, could
be to try to get get them to take the
bait and get rid of HEG SATs and damage an
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otherwise strong cabinet. It could be to distract people from
what will be a Nobel Peace Prize if he negotiates
peace with Russia and Ukraine. I get all that, but
I watched how the administration handled it. Now, I know
you're on the phone, so you'll be able to hear
this or normally if it's a struggle. Here's the president
in the cabinet room with his entire cabinet. I mean,
there's somebody with a boom bike boom mic with their
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elbow right on Pam Bondi's head.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
I mean, you couldn't be more transparent.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
The room is filled with reporters, and here's how the
president addressed it straight out.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
What I don't know anything about signal.
Speaker 7 (10:43):
I wasn't involved in this, but I just turned about
it and I hear it's used by a lot of groups.
It's used by the media a lot, It's used by
a lot of the military, and I think successfully. But
sometimes somebody can get onto those things. That's one of
the prices you when you're not sitting in the situation
room with no phones on, which is always the best, Frankony,
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but you know the best is to be there. In fact,
oftentimes I've been in the infectious last week, I was
in the situation room with something very important, and we
had a couple of people hooked up by line, and
I said, cancel the line, sorry, fellas. What you do
is we'll tell you all about the meeting, because I
know people do get on those lines, whether it's signal
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or anything else.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
Do you think that Mike Waltz made a mistake and
does he need to apologize?
Speaker 7 (11:32):
No, I don't think he should apologize. I think he's
doing his best. It's equipment and technology that's not perfect,
and probably he won't be using it again, at least
not in the very near I that was.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
Just a great moment. He leads it all right, just
take these one at a time with me. Does Donald
Trump twenty seventeen handle it that way? I don't think so.
I mean, look at how he handled vance with zelen
Ski in the Oval office and stood by him. Look
how he's standing by walls. I think that's powerful. This
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is a guy who's assembled a cabinet. He's leading by example,
he's trusting them, and he's standing by them.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
They.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
I think that's a for me, that's an answer to prayer.
The first term, I loved everything Donald Trump was doing.
I really liked the way he did it. Now, I
love this is a changed man and he's he's leading
in a changed way, and for me, that was a
great answer to prayer. Now, this isn't Watergate, this isn't
weapons of mass destruction, This isn't pointing fingers at the
Atlantic or anything. This is head on acknowledging it, explaining
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who made the mistake, and that they don't have to apologize,
they don't need to be fired. And you know, obviously
we're going to learn from this and not do it again.
What's wrong with that?
Speaker 2 (12:52):
Well, I don't see it quite the same way.
Speaker 6 (12:54):
I think what you're saying is about Trump is very
candid and very accurate and great to be hoped for.
And even more, he is different and I like the
style that we see, and I like the way he's needing.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
I like the way he standing up for Mike Wallas.
Speaker 6 (13:07):
The problem we have here is Mike Wallas's only answer
is to attack the Atlantic.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
That's foolishness. Might agree to find out he needs to
find out how that happened, and.
Speaker 6 (13:18):
Somebody needs to be fired who made that mistake, because
you can't make the mistake at that level in national
security and not have consequence that ends the question. A
mistake was made, it's an unfortunate mistake. We've apologized for
the mistake, and the person who made a mistake is
now seeking other employment or has been reassigned.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
Reassignment.
Speaker 6 (13:40):
But you must do something to show that you've acknowledged
the mistake, not just attack the person who reported it.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
Okay, let me try.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
Let me try it, because I don't mind disagreeing, but
I also want.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
To defend a little bit. With the love to be wrong.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
Yeah no, but early in the day I had all
the same concerns you did. Like I didn't like Hegseth
coming right out. There's no way anybody was on.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
That call mistake.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
I didn't like Walls pointing in all the attention to
The Atlantic, you used a technology somebody got there. I
don't know how it ended up being the editor in
chief of The Atlantic, which you could almost call an
enemy combative.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
That's a bit of a coincidence to me.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
But we said if it was like I don't know,
nownish yesterday I was with accountants and attorneys, so I
had a busy day. But we would have said, okay,
this could get out of control. President needs to step
in and take charge. The clip I just played is
the president stepping in, taking charge and transparently putting accountability
where it is just not hanging somebody out to dry.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
I think that's an answer to what we were hoping for.
Speaker 6 (14:47):
But we still don't have the answer as to who
added the phone number to the to the to the
list and into the call. And that's simple to find out.
Some human did that, Who did it, and what was
their motive? And was it on purpose? Yes?
Speaker 2 (15:02):
Well sure?
Speaker 6 (15:03):
And or am I dead wrong? And was it somehow
a technological accident. I wouldn't say that those things aren't possible.
I think we have the right to know. But should
that be done publicly?
Speaker 1 (15:15):
I mean, Walt is just not giving anybody names up,
But in private, I'm sure that's what they're doing, right,
and somebody's if there's a mole among them that's going
to be removed.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
If they don't know.
Speaker 6 (15:24):
The answer to that by now, that makes me even
more uncomfortable.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
He's tough to steer away from his goddicity.
Speaker 6 (15:35):
I mean, Mike, I mean, Michael, you couldn't get away
with it, and I couldn't get away with it, And
that's what Republicans get into trouble. It's wonderful to say, humbly,
someone made a mistake here, and we have dealt with
that mistake in consequences in the following mechanisms. They don't
have to expose the name of the person. They can
just tell us it was a staff person. They've been reassigned.
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We will not be using signal again, and we'll pay
much clear.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
All right, let me try it. Let me let's move on.
It's Your Morning Show with Michael del Chano.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
All right, I still got a couple of SIPs on
my coffee left. We're down to thirty seconds. Put Angry
Big John on real quick.
Speaker 8 (16:14):
Yeah, Michael, I wish you would have mentioned an easy
z that by this weekend it'll all be over.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
He makes it like it's a big mistake. What about Benghazi?
Speaker 8 (16:24):
And by the way, Michael Waltz's plus seven hundred, he's
not resigning now.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
I feel like Michael Coleoni I got get to buy
families together.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
Hey, we're just having a conversation. Clearly a mistake was made.
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enjoy the podcast. The big buzz in the news is
the big buzz inside the Beltway?
Speaker 2 (17:22):
This signal leak?
Speaker 1 (17:23):
How did the editor in chief of the enemy combat
in Atlantic? I like Dread's analogy. It's like we're having
a conference call with God a very serious manner, and
somebody slipped Satan on the call. Clearly somebody made a mistake.
Who let's find out and there should be consequences, especially
if it was done on purpose. This time yesterday, I
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didn't like the way things were being handled. You had
heg sat saying.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
There's no way that happened make improve it, make improve it.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
And then the President took the lead, got out in front,
perfect transparency, in front of you know, no Watergate where
the cover up is worse than the act of the
break him.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
And they got right out in front. But no heads
of Rold yet.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
So that's got David concerned, this pattern of the Republicans
finding a way to grab defeat from the jaws of victory,
and it's usually through a scandal.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
Wanting them to get completely out in front.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
I think they did a they had a bad morning
and had a better afternoon.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
But then again Big John.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
Comes to my rescue and it feels the need to
lop off your ear, which come on, we're dealing with
teeth right now. Stay away from the ears, but addressed
because you're right, the oxygen's there, Red's right, They're gonna
do what they're gonna do. It's gonna be the talking
head shows, probably gonna be the opening scene and Saturday
night livenl this weekend.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
So the truth is, no, Big John is not just
gonna go away.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
But the reality is I stand by the one that
matters the most, the President, I thought, stepped in and
handled it very well yesterday, very transparently and very loyally.
But somebody put this on that call that better be
discovered and should have been by now.
Speaker 6 (19:04):
Listen, I mean, I couldn't be more curious about how
this happened. For one thing, I've got signal on my phone.
Let's ask ourselves how many Americans do. Most don't even
know what it is. So the ability to exploit what
people don't know is magnificent. If you're in the pr business,
which is what the Atlantic's in, right, and if you're
in the propaganda business, which they're also in, you've got
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a lot of hate that can be made.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
That basically looks. This makes this young team look like
what the Democrats are calling it, rank amateurs.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
Do we know if the person that was on the
call that never spoke was actually Goldberg or someone else
that fed it to Goldberg? We don't even know if
he was listening on the call. All we know is
he was on the signal list, which means he was
getting the text information, okay, and the fact that he
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was getting it out. Now, now that being said, let's
flip this thing for the sake of time in one
other direction.
Speaker 6 (19:58):
I've been in situation where I've come into personal material
from people that I was opposed to politically by mistake.
What do you do when that happens? When someone sends
you an email that you're not supposed to get, or
someone mistakenly leaves.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
Doc you can I tell you what I have done
when it's happened. Ay, I don't read it, b I reply.
I let them know that somehow this went out In
case there's others that went out too, that's the right
thing to do. You and I had a call off
the air, and I mean, I'm just in transparency. I'll
share it with e bro.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
I think Goldberg reveals everything about Goldberg.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
If you're an American, you know, and you end up
on that call, you a get off it and notify
them because you care more about America. He purposely was
trying to embarrass this administration. He's personally trying to make
it into some kind of a distractionary narrative political football.
I think he stands there. I mean, he's the worst
player in all of this for how he's handled it.
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I agree, unless there's a mole that literally.
Speaker 6 (20:55):
He waited for four days receiving text message, just when
all he had to do was make one phone call
saying I know I'm not supposed to be getting this
is this year, and if it is, please take me
off the list. I'm a patriot first, and I'm an
editorialist second.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
This is not for me. That's what an honest person
would have done, So he gets no awards here.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
I am at noon yesterday, I was one with you.
I know from Weapons of Mass Destruction, I know from Watergate.
The cover up was worse than the break in. I
understand around Contra, around Contra, I understand how scandals can
distract and destroy, all right, And I did not like
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the way the day started with heg Seth or Waltz.
I do like the way the president took control in
a cabinet meeting and with the entire presser. So that
was a good step in the right direction. I mean,
do you at least see now we just need the
follow up, which is somebody made the mistake. And if
Walts doesn't want to talk about who it was, that's
fine on a television show, but you better get off
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the air, use data research, find out who it was,
because if you got a mole among you, that's imperative.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
That's right, Michael, Will you take an adversity, you turn
it into an opportunity. You do so by disclosure and
by honesty and by consequence. Court. This doesn't compare. This
is not around country, this is not Watergate. This is
somebody who should be But the question is still going
to sit there.
Speaker 6 (22:16):
How in the world did that happen? And they know
and they should tell and that settles the question.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
That's it.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
Just tell us what happened and let's move on. How
much of the oxygen do you think they got out
of the room yesterday? I think a lot of it, I.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
Think, because it's not that big a thing in the
first place, but they're going to make it a big
thing if they don't tell us everything they know.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
And like everything else, this is not I don't want to,
you know, to my commandments, not to play us versus them,
but you know that them, they haven't been on a
very good role lately, and it seems like everything they
do blows up in their face. In my gut, I
can't explain it, and it's not just wishful thinking, but
there's something about it I think is going to blow
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up in the Atlantic's face and nothing else. What we
just acknowledged was what American would keep those days the.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
Minute it kicked out for four days. Yeah, the minute
I got it.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
Hey, I don't belong on here, and you need to
know who I was, find out, make sure nobody else
was exactly.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
That's the right thing to do, that's the honest thing
to do, and that happens to be the patriotic and
American thing to do. I don't care what, Michael, You've
done this. I've done this.
Speaker 6 (23:21):
I have people listening to this call right now that
know what I'm talking about in regards to confidences that
have been kept. In spite of the fact, I wish
I could have gone right to CBS News and said,
this is exactly what I got my hands on.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
Can't do that? Yeah, I had.
Speaker 1 (23:34):
I had one in particular. It was singing like a canary.
It was literally hung them. I stopped after, you know,
because I was as busy and I'm a paragraph and.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
I'm like, what the heck is this? And is somebody
setting me this from inside their organize?
Speaker 1 (23:48):
And then I realized it was on accident, and I
stopped reading because it was none of my business and
I didn't have to, but I honestly did.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
And then I informed them.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
I hit reply all and I informed them, I don't
think I belong on this list.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
You might want to check your list. And this isn't
Donald Trump's job, this is this is Mike Waltz's.
Speaker 1 (24:06):
Jeh, this is the guy you weren't impressed with how
he handled himself last.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
Night with Loring.
Speaker 6 (24:10):
No, I did a terrible job anymore because his restress off.
He was a big shot, bully, high volume, attacking the messenger. No, no, no, no, no,
let us attack the messenger. You own the mistake, right, yeah,
you own the mistake. We will attack the messenger, thank
you very much.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
Do you think when Donald Trump leaned in that cabinet
meeting and you know, basically stood by it, No, he
doesn't need to apologize. Look, this is technology. Mistakes are made, though,
and he leaned over, looked right over. I don't think
that's going to happen again.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
Do you think it ended there?
Speaker 1 (24:38):
Just like you and I were watching JD Vance from
a restaurant. Now, I went ahead and watched all forty
eight minutes, and I watched it five times. But even
after five times, even after in grace and no grace,
with mercy, with no mercy, I came to the conclusion
(24:58):
Jad was wrong, and I watched the president, and I'm
sure the president thought he was wrong. And I watched
the President stand by him. Like if you and I
were in a meeting and it would be me by
the way in the meeting saying too much, you would
give me a look, and then you would stand by me,
and then in private you would make it. I think
that happened with JD. And I'll bet that's happening with Walt.
(25:20):
I agree, and I think that's the right style of leadership.
Now you have to take care of these things behind
closed doors. But when you're in an open.
Speaker 6 (25:26):
Situation, Look, if you're not front, you defend your brother brethren.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
That's what this is about, and you straighten it out.
So let's do the simple part of it, and that
is how did it happen? Should they continue to use signal?
I agree most Americans don't know what signal is. It
is common practice to be used. From a Goldberg standpoint,
you would have to enter. So he knew when he
(25:52):
entered he was entering something he shouldn't have been entering.
I mean, he kept the data and didn't respond immediately.
He was playing a game and even said he was
playing it. Maybe I've been.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
Maybe I've been. This is an hoax. They're trying to
lure me in and trot me in.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
Really, come on, uh and of course what does it
speak to uh it? Do you really think that this sends.
I think it's a tough message to sell. Gosh, I'm
hard because I'm I'm I'm obviously by worldview, by by platform,
by policy view, I'm rooting for this group I like.
(26:27):
But but I mean, you know, I don't think it
it proves amateur hour because who hasn't I've done some
of the.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
Dumbest things with technology. You could that.
Speaker 6 (26:36):
Yeah, it just proves humanity, So be human and and
and and and move on. I get that part, but
don't get caught saying we can't make a mistake and blaming.
Speaker 2 (26:47):
It on the other guy.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
You may know, although I did get some some information
yesterday that we are growing as the King of the
Art city as well Saint Louis. But you know, we
are known as the Kings of Youngstown. Uh So we
have something from Ohio Nature, a center for well Public
Square is based. The Mission Center is in the Cleveland
(27:10):
metropolitan area. American Policy Roundtable originated in Ohio, so you
are certainly while you're based in Ohio and Florida and Tennessee.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
Ohio is the Holy Land.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
So let's talk about Brown and what he's up to
with his new organization moving to Columbus. He's up to
what senators are up to, staying till death. But you're
ruling out Governor h Yeah, because it's.
Speaker 6 (27:34):
Too much work for shared. Governor doesn't like a lot
of work. No covenor, vointavi. It's taught me that. And
when he was sitting in the US Senate, we sit
back and go who's running extra Governor Georgia and say,
too much work for him? Too much work for him,
because if you've been there, you've done that. You work
with governors, you know, that's the hardest working job in
America and most thankless job and the best.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
And what's the best job in the world, the Club
of One. So he loses to Marino, he wants to
get right back. So he's gonna right next time because.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
He's going up against a guy named John Houston's the
former lieutenant governor who has got the opportunity. And what's
Houston done.
Speaker 6 (28:06):
Houston got the job and then disappeared, like every senator
from the Midwest does, they get the job and then
you don't hear from him for five years until it's
re election time. So in the meantime, Sharon Brown's got
a much better name recognition than John Houston. But what
he's doing is he started an NGO, Michael, he started at.
Speaker 1 (28:24):
A time we're all getting lessons on NGOs and what
they really are. But his NGO does reveal pivot, So
he's not the crazy far left. This is a guy
that's on the rebrand on the pivot we saw Bernie Sanders,
of course say the President doing a great job with
the border, as if suddenly the Democrats have supported a
secure border and law and order and enforcement. He's pivoting
(28:47):
with the focus laser focus on the middle class and jobs.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
Suddenly.
Speaker 6 (28:51):
My friend Amity Slaves, who wrote the book The Forgotten Man,
is the hero of everyone in politics. The book's been
out for twenty years in which she plains what happens
when you forget the American middle class, which is most
of us right well now shared Brown starting an NGO
on the middle class fighting for you.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
All he's got to do is have John Morgan join him,
right for Morgan and Morgan, it's perfect, all right.
Speaker 6 (29:13):
So here we go, and he's going to turn around
and run for the United States Senate again and try
to knock off Houston. That's my guess, because Houston's got
to run again in twenty twenty six because he got
appointed to the seat.
Speaker 1 (29:24):
Well, the NGO gives you the strategy and the lane.
Why the move to Columbus.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
That's because all in that well and make a bunch
of five, Yeah, you leave it.
Speaker 6 (29:39):
Who knows well Columbus because Columbus and Franklin County forty
years ago. When we started in this work in the
state of Ohio forty five years ago, Franklin County, Columbus
was a conservative area. Now it is the singular most
liberal area in the state of Ohio. That's why he's there,
because that's where all good liberal NGOs go.
Speaker 1 (29:55):
And I was going to ask you the question, is
that to be near Ohio State University and the intelligentsia,
or to be near the capitol all of the above,
all of the above. So shred is rights in the game.
He's right back going to the Senate. They will not leave.
They cannot do anything else, Why not just run the
NGO and influence all the other senators.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
No, he's got to be the senator, that's what we're
talking about.
Speaker 6 (30:21):
So it's an attempt to steal the seat back and
to change the balance.
Speaker 2 (30:26):
And that's really what this whole election is coming from.
That's why I'm so concerned about all of these issues,
because momentum on the bottom is the truth, and there
are no coattails in twenty twenty six. This has got
to be one from the bottom up.
Speaker 1 (30:39):
Well, he couldn't get it done against Marino. That was
a very shocking defeat. Probably even more shocking is they've
all been sworn in what two months ago, and he's
already made the move to Columbu, he's got his ENNGO,
and he's ready to run for senator again.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
I was waiting for as to check from Uncle George.
Speaker 1 (30:54):
You know, a show that's run its course and no
cast members will ever leave. I think I've seen this before,
all right, David Sanati.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
Almost the full hour.
Speaker 1 (31:04):
At any point in the dentist chair, did you fear
for your life?
Speaker 8 (31:10):
No?
Speaker 2 (31:11):
But I was really upset that I couldn't get to
my phone to text you.
Speaker 3 (31:14):
No.
Speaker 1 (31:14):
You know what, it would have been a waste because
the truth of the matter is, yesterday had unfold, had
you joined me when we were going to join each
other at seven o five Central, eight o five Eastern,
I'd just still been sitting here going, Okay. I don't
know what happened. I don't have enough information. But the
bottom line is everything you need to know about Goldberg
(31:34):
in the Atlantic, that much is revealed for all to see.
I did not like the way Hegseth was handling it early,
but now having had the day play out, probably still
not Waltz fans, and how he handled Laura Ingram, but
the president of the United States, who is the CEO
of the executive Branch, and the way he took control
(31:56):
that was answer prayer number one. The way he humble
accepted the responsibility, explained it transparently, stood by his cabinet.
I really love that was my ultimate preyer in twenty
You know me, I was a Marco Rubio guy. I
saw Jack Kennedy, you saw Donald Trump as Truman, and
(32:17):
you were right, and he won. I had him winning
on the electoral college map. But that was my head,
in my heart. I didn't think it was possible till
after I saw the exit polling on election day. I
always stood by President Trump. I think he made a
tremendous mistake with COVID. He got duped like a lot
of people got duped. But I loved what he did.
(32:37):
Couldn't always stand by the way he did it. Since
being shot at, he's a different man. And it's not
what he's saying, it's how differently he's living. And for me,
that's the ultimate. I have a commander in chief now
that I can trust with my entire heart and mind.
And I thought yesterday was a pretty shining moment for that.
In a really bad circumstance. That was the only point
I was making. Big John, you don't have to stick
(32:58):
up for me, but anytime you see been roughing me
up on the golf course, feel free to run into
the middle of the fairway and rough them up like that.
Speaker 2 (33:05):
I'd probably need the help. Loved our visit. This is
your morning show with Michael del Chrono, This is your
morning show, Blaine's and Iowa.
Speaker 9 (33:16):
Yeah, the venerable journalist photoshot those that information. He never
should have done that. He never should have stayed on
the call. He never should have been privy to the call.
He should have stepped away from it or recused himself,
so to speak, but he wanted to profit from it.
I hope it blows up in his face any I
guys have a good day.
Speaker 1 (33:36):
I think for the average American it's already blown up
in his face. First of all, I mean, I've had
this happen with like radio. All right, that's nothing. As
I try to remind our staff every day, no lives
are saved or lost doing radio. I mean, you know,
you botch a liner or a rejoiner who cares, but
you're sitting and you sign on volitionally and you no,
(34:00):
you're on a secured thread with the national security and
military apparatus of the United States. I mean, to Red's point,
off the year, wouldn't you be scared to death? That
would be like you know, what was the movie Thermal
Nuclear War with the war games? Yeah, I mean something
to be at your door in ten minutes, let alone.
(34:22):
The American thing to do is get off immediately, allow
them to know there's some better mistake, so that they no,
you want to seize it and embarrass the administration and
at the risk of how we look to the world. Look,
Goldberg's a loser in this thing. And for the left
that don't want to see it, they won't see it.
(34:43):
But for most of America and especially that middle they're
seeing it already.
Speaker 2 (34:46):
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Speaker 1 (00:40):
Do you notice, Jeffrey, whenever we do something serious, we
crack up laughing.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
Well, yeah, we have gotten why.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
We can't even take our job series, And when we do.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
We laugh out loud. Listen. We're doing the best we
can do with what we have to work with.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
Seven minutes after the hour, Welcome to Wednesday, March to
twenty sixth, The Avon Lord twenty twenty five on the air,
streaming live on your iHeart app and hearing from you
through the iHeart app and the talkback button. Let's start
with David in Tulsa, Oklahoma.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
Do something I've had on my mind about the Fighting
Oligarchy tour. I don't hear it as we are fighting
against the oligarchy. I hear it more like the fighting Irish,
as in go Oligarchs, kid Map for the Day, the
last I remember to go look for the truth in
John fourteen six.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
Appreciate the good word.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
Roger kste In, Sacramento, California.
Speaker 4 (01:29):
Mornie Michael. When I hear that the Democrats need to rebrand,
it makes me think it's like some advertising agency just
put in a new name on a product nobody wants anyway.
Maybe there's some other way to describe it, you know,
maybe it's you know, repair, rebuild, repent, and go send
no more.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (01:49):
It just makes me think, like I don't want to
just to see a new face on something I don't
want anyway.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
You know, it's interesting somebody probably looked at their radio
made a face it. Really they really need to repent.
They need to turn and go in a different direction
because their problem is not image. Their problem is not
a brand problem. Their problem is their worldview, their platform itself,
their party. No repent is closer to it. Ukraine and
(02:17):
Russia are agreeing to a limited cease fire. We are
taking steps towards peace between Ukraine and Russia. You didn't
hear much about it the media because they were all
focused on the big the leak, the signal leak. And
for the administration, how they handled it, transparency, loyalty, directly, flawlessly,
(02:38):
and for the president. He stands behind Mike Waltz, no firing,
though he leans and says, although I think we've learned
our lesson right. It's a different president, isn't it all together?
PBSNPR are set to appear before the Doge Subcommittee today,
and the FBI is launching a task force to investigate
whether Tesla owners have been targeted by domestic terrorism. Rory
(03:01):
o'neilis here with the story. Good morning, Rory, Yeah, Michael,
good morning.
Speaker 5 (03:04):
We saw a post on x from the FBI Director
Cash Pttel talking about how the task force will work
in conjunction with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.
After this series of attacks either on individual cars and
their owners, or on Tesla charging stations or on Tesla dealerships,
then this has been something happening now with increasing frequency
(03:27):
all across the country. Seems no corner of the lower
forty eight is spared from this, and it's reached the
level of the FBI director, the US Attorney General, even
President Trump have talked about this vandalism in these attacks
on these vehicles, which are now being called acts of
domestic terrorism. So if you think that the puncturing a
(03:47):
tire or spray painting a wall, smashing a window might
get you a slap on the wrist by your local prosecutor,
in this case it could be elevated to a federal crime,
then you'd be looking at twenty years in a federal prism.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
And you know there are a lot of electric vehicles
that are made that they're only targeting Tesla because of
Elon Musk. So it's clearly a targeting. It's clearly for
a political purpose and presumed forced change. I mean, it
really does meet the definition. The question is finding them
(04:21):
and then prosecuting them for it. And then you got
your first example right.
Speaker 5 (04:26):
Well right, And then they're also trying to find out
if these are acts being undertaken by lone wolves or
is this something that's been coordinated nationally, and that's the
bigger concern. We know that website has been out there
listing all the locations of every Tesla based on vehicle
registration data, and that the cursor for that website is
a Molotov cocktail. So clearly that message is getting out
(04:49):
there to people.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
Or He's gonna be back.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
In the third hour, We're going to talk a little
bit about these steps towards a cease fire and maybe
steps towards peace between Russia and Ukraine more with Rory
coming up on that. Thanks Rory. The big buzz, of course,
is the signal breach. It became the topic of a
Senate intelligence briefing yesterday, David Sinati or your Morning Show
(05:12):
senior contributories also the CEO of the American Policy Roundtable
and host of the Public Squares joining us to discuss
the mistake that was made, who's to blame, and what's
the best way to move forward. And I did an
opening monologue this morning, David, and I just started with.
For me, my main takeaway is why are we using
(05:33):
a free app? I mean, if we learned anything from
the social dilemma, if something's free, that means you're the product.
But it happened, and an unlike Watergate, where the cover
up and how you handle what happened was worse than
what actually happened. This administration couldn't have been more upfront,
more transparent. And I saw Donald Trump stand by Waltz.
(05:56):
I saw Waltz not revealing anybody that may have been responsible,
and the President talk about how he doesn't think he
needs to apologize. He certainly doesn't need to be fired.
But then he leaned in and said, but I don't
think he's going to use it again, you know, kind
of a thing. And so we see a change in
Donald Trump in this administration, and that, to me personally,
(06:18):
is an answer to prayer. This is a different guy.
Are you having struggles hearing us? I don't think we have. David,
you might want to call the backup the phone. Wait
now I heard you. What did you say, David talk?
I don't think he can he can't hear us. All right,
call on the phone. But just to reiterate what I
(06:40):
did in the five o'clock hour, to hide from this
would have been a huge mistake. To point fingers at
Goldberg would have been a huge mistake. Although I think
somebody needs to find out how coincidentally it ends up
being the editor in chief that is on that line
(07:01):
of an enemy, the Atlantic. I don't think that's a coincidence.
That's number one. But how do you get on who
made the mistake? How to handle it? Was loyalty, And
I say that because they couldn't defeat one Donald Trump
in twenty twenty four, and now you have his cabinet,
(07:22):
his dream team, and now you've got to try to
defeat twelve thirteen of them, and they're all staying together.
My brother has an expression for my family. He means
it in the kindest way. He goes, your family's thickest thieves.
When it comes to this entire cabinet, they're thickest thieves,
not in the sense that they're thieves, but they are
(07:44):
loyal and they're a team, and no one gets in
the way of that. So, if this was an attempt
to try to get Hegseth to fall, because you couldn't
get him to fall in the nominating process, If this
was an attempt to distract you from the process in
progress being made with Ukraine and Russia, this administration couldn't
have had handled it more transparently upfront yesterday and with
a great sense of loyally the proofs to me, Donald
Trump is a different Donald Trump and a much humbler
(08:08):
leader this time. David, what was your take from the
long and short of everything yesterday. I'm almost glad it
happened for what I've seen.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
Good morning, Michael, and thank you for your thoughts.
Speaker 6 (08:20):
I'm not certain, but I confess to you that I'm
scarred to be totally as honest as I know how
to be. I have watched Republicans steal defeat from the
jaws of victory so many times in the last forty
five years, and it always happens the same way.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
It happens through sloppiness. It happens through.
Speaker 6 (08:44):
Mistakes, and then mistakes become cover ups, and cover ups
become defiant and then the next thing, you know, the
air of scandal arises. I've seen that happen over and
over and over again. So my perspective is reactionary to
this one. I don't see it quite the way you
see it, because I think what's happened here is given
(09:05):
the other side an opportunity to really make the administration
look bad. And what I mean by that is this,
most people don't know what signal is, they don't know
how it works, and they also don't know how members
of the cabinet are to communicate effectively with each other.
And there's been a long platform built now on this
question of Hillary's emails and then Trump's use of documents
(09:28):
at mar A Lago and so on and so forth.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
So the Democrats have what they want.
Speaker 6 (09:32):
They have confusion, they have a mistake, and they have
the opportunity to build a narrative in the media that
is waiting. I mean, the Atlantic right now is having
a field day with all of this, and their site
is saturated with all of it, as are all the
other sites.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
That and that, and that will feed at the end,
and that will feed the intelligency at universities. It arrives
like a briefing that'll feed MSNB and CNN. But all right,
so that is a I guess it's a bone, and
they're on it, and I think the goal. The goal
could be to put a chink in the armor, could
be to try to get get them to take the
bait and get rid of HEG SATs and damage an
(10:11):
otherwise strong cabinet. It could be to distract people from
what will be a Nobel Peace Prize if he negotiates
peace with Russia and Ukraine. I get all that, but
I watched how the administration handled it. Now, I know
you're on the phone, so you'll be able to hear
this or normally if it's a struggle. Here's the president
in the cabinet room with his entire cabinet. I mean,
there's somebody with a boom bike boom mic with their
(10:33):
elbow right on Pam Bondi's head.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
I mean, you couldn't be more transparent.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
The room is filled with reporters, and here's how the
president addressed it straight out.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
What I don't know anything about signal.
Speaker 7 (10:43):
I wasn't involved in this, but I just turned about
it and I hear it's used by a lot of groups.
It's used by the media a lot, It's used by
a lot of the military, and I think successfully. But
sometimes somebody can get onto those things. That's one of
the prices you when you're not sitting in the situation
room with no phones on, which is always the best, Frankony,
(11:06):
but you know the best is to be there. In fact,
oftentimes I've been in the infectious last week, I was
in the situation room with something very important, and we
had a couple of people hooked up by line, and
I said, cancel the line, sorry, fellas. What you do
is we'll tell you all about the meeting, because I
know people do get on those lines, whether it's signal
(11:27):
or anything else.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
Do you think that Mike Waltz made a mistake and
does he need to apologize?
Speaker 7 (11:32):
No, I don't think he should apologize. I think he's
doing his best. It's equipment and technology that's not perfect,
and probably he won't be using it again, at least
not in the very near I that was.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
Just a great moment. He leads it all right, just
take these one at a time with me. Does Donald
Trump twenty seventeen handle it that way? I don't think so.
I mean, look at how he handled vance with zelen
Ski in the Oval office and stood by him. Look
how he's standing by walls. I think that's powerful. This
(12:07):
is a guy who's assembled a cabinet. He's leading by example,
he's trusting them, and he's standing by them.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
They.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
I think that's a for me, that's an answer to prayer.
The first term, I loved everything Donald Trump was doing.
I really liked the way he did it. Now, I
love this is a changed man and he's he's leading
in a changed way, and for me, that was a
great answer to prayer. Now, this isn't Watergate, this isn't
weapons of mass destruction, This isn't pointing fingers at the
Atlantic or anything. This is head on acknowledging it, explaining
(12:40):
who made the mistake, and that they don't have to apologize,
they don't need to be fired. And you know, obviously
we're going to learn from this and not do it again.
What's wrong with that?
Speaker 2 (12:52):
Well, I don't see it quite the same way.
Speaker 6 (12:54):
I think what you're saying is about Trump is very
candid and very accurate and great to be hoped for.
And even more, he is different and I like the
style that we see, and I like the way he's needing.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
I like the way he standing up for Mike Wallas.
Speaker 6 (13:07):
The problem we have here is Mike Wallas's only answer
is to attack the Atlantic.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
That's foolishness. Might agree to find out he needs to
find out how that happened, and.
Speaker 6 (13:18):
Somebody needs to be fired who made that mistake, because
you can't make the mistake at that level in national
security and not have consequence that ends the question. A
mistake was made, it's an unfortunate mistake. We've apologized for
the mistake, and the person who made a mistake is
now seeking other employment or has been reassigned.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
Reassignment.
Speaker 6 (13:40):
But you must do something to show that you've acknowledged
the mistake, not just attack the person who reported it.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
Okay, let me try.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
Let me try it, because I don't mind disagreeing, but
I also want.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
To defend a little bit. With the love to be wrong.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
Yeah no, but early in the day I had all
the same concerns you did. Like I didn't like Hegseth
coming right out. There's no way anybody was on.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
That call mistake.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
I didn't like Walls pointing in all the attention to
The Atlantic, you used a technology somebody got there. I
don't know how it ended up being the editor in
chief of The Atlantic, which you could almost call an
enemy combative.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
That's a bit of a coincidence to me.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
But we said if it was like I don't know,
nownish yesterday I was with accountants and attorneys, so I
had a busy day. But we would have said, okay,
this could get out of control. President needs to step
in and take charge. The clip I just played is
the president stepping in, taking charge and transparently putting accountability
where it is just not hanging somebody out to dry.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
I think that's an answer to what we were hoping for.
Speaker 6 (14:47):
But we still don't have the answer as to who
added the phone number to the to the to the
list and into the call. And that's simple to find out.
Some human did that, Who did it, and what was
their motive? And was it on purpose? Yes?
Speaker 2 (15:02):
Well sure?
Speaker 6 (15:03):
And or am I dead wrong? And was it somehow
a technological accident. I wouldn't say that those things aren't possible.
I think we have the right to know. But should
that be done publicly?
Speaker 1 (15:15):
I mean, Walt is just not giving anybody names up,
But in private, I'm sure that's what they're doing, right,
and somebody's if there's a mole among them that's going
to be removed.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
If they don't know.
Speaker 6 (15:24):
The answer to that by now, that makes me even
more uncomfortable.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
He's tough to steer away from his goddicity.
Speaker 6 (15:35):
I mean, Mike, I mean, Michael, you couldn't get away
with it, and I couldn't get away with it, And
that's what Republicans get into trouble. It's wonderful to say, humbly,
someone made a mistake here, and we have dealt with
that mistake in consequences in the following mechanisms. They don't
have to expose the name of the person. They can
just tell us it was a staff person. They've been reassigned.
(15:58):
We will not be using signal again, and we'll pay
much clear.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
All right, let me try it. Let me let's move on.
It's Your Morning Show with Michael del Chano.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
All right, I still got a couple of SIPs on
my coffee left. We're down to thirty seconds. Put Angry
Big John on real quick.
Speaker 8 (16:14):
Yeah, Michael, I wish you would have mentioned an easy
z that by this weekend it'll all be over.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
He makes it like it's a big mistake. What about Benghazi?
Speaker 8 (16:24):
And by the way, Michael Waltz's plus seven hundred, he's
not resigning now.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
I feel like Michael Coleoni I got get to buy
families together.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
Hey, we're just having a conversation. Clearly a mistake was made.
Speaker 9 (16:38):
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Ho, Hey it's me Michael.
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the big buzz inside the Beltway?
Speaker 2 (17:22):
This signal leak?
Speaker 1 (17:23):
How did the editor in chief of the enemy combat
in Atlantic? I like Dread's analogy. It's like we're having
a conference call with God a very serious manner, and
somebody slipped Satan on the call. Clearly somebody made a mistake.
Who let's find out and there should be consequences, especially
if it was done on purpose. This time yesterday, I
(17:45):
didn't like the way things were being handled. You had
heg sat saying.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
There's no way that happened make improve it, make improve it.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
And then the President took the lead, got out in front,
perfect transparency, in front of you know, no Watergate where
the cover up is worse than the act of the
break him.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
And they got right out in front. But no heads
of Rold yet.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
So that's got David concerned, this pattern of the Republicans
finding a way to grab defeat from the jaws of victory,
and it's usually through a scandal.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
Wanting them to get completely out in front.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
I think they did a they had a bad morning
and had a better afternoon.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
But then again Big John.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
Comes to my rescue and it feels the need to
lop off your ear, which come on, we're dealing with
teeth right now. Stay away from the ears, but addressed
because you're right, the oxygen's there, Red's right, They're gonna
do what they're gonna do. It's gonna be the talking
head shows, probably gonna be the opening scene and Saturday
night livenl this weekend.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
So the truth is, no, Big John is not just
gonna go away.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
But the reality is I stand by the one that
matters the most, the President, I thought, stepped in and
handled it very well yesterday, very transparently and very loyally.
But somebody put this on that call that better be
discovered and should have been by now.
Speaker 6 (19:04):
Listen, I mean, I couldn't be more curious about how
this happened. For one thing, I've got signal on my phone.
Let's ask ourselves how many Americans do. Most don't even
know what it is. So the ability to exploit what
people don't know is magnificent. If you're in the pr business,
which is what the Atlantic's in, right, and if you're
in the propaganda business, which they're also in, you've got
(19:24):
a lot of hate that can be made.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
That basically looks. This makes this young team look like
what the Democrats are calling it, rank amateurs.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
Do we know if the person that was on the
call that never spoke was actually Goldberg or someone else
that fed it to Goldberg? We don't even know if
he was listening on the call. All we know is
he was on the signal list, which means he was
getting the text information, okay, and the fact that he
(19:53):
was getting it out. Now, now that being said, let's
flip this thing for the sake of time in one
other direction.
Speaker 6 (19:58):
I've been in situation where I've come into personal material
from people that I was opposed to politically by mistake.
What do you do when that happens? When someone sends
you an email that you're not supposed to get, or
someone mistakenly leaves.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
Doc you can I tell you what I have done
when it's happened. Ay, I don't read it, b I reply.
I let them know that somehow this went out In
case there's others that went out too, that's the right
thing to do. You and I had a call off
the air, and I mean, I'm just in transparency. I'll
share it with e bro.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
I think Goldberg reveals everything about Goldberg.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
If you're an American, you know, and you end up
on that call, you a get off it and notify
them because you care more about America. He purposely was
trying to embarrass this administration. He's personally trying to make
it into some kind of a distractionary narrative political football.
I think he stands there. I mean, he's the worst
player in all of this for how he's handled it.
(20:53):
I agree, unless there's a mole that literally.
Speaker 6 (20:55):
He waited for four days receiving text message, just when
all he had to do was make one phone call
saying I know I'm not supposed to be getting this
is this year, and if it is, please take me
off the list. I'm a patriot first, and I'm an
editorialist second.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
This is not for me. That's what an honest person
would have done, So he gets no awards here.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
I am at noon yesterday, I was one with you.
I know from Weapons of Mass Destruction, I know from Watergate.
The cover up was worse than the break in. I
understand around Contra, around Contra, I understand how scandals can
distract and destroy, all right, And I did not like
(21:36):
the way the day started with heg Seth or Waltz.
I do like the way the president took control in
a cabinet meeting and with the entire presser. So that
was a good step in the right direction. I mean,
do you at least see now we just need the
follow up, which is somebody made the mistake. And if
Walts doesn't want to talk about who it was, that's
fine on a television show, but you better get off
(21:57):
the air, use data research, find out who it was,
because if you got a mole among you, that's imperative.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
That's right, Michael, Will you take an adversity, you turn
it into an opportunity. You do so by disclosure and
by honesty and by consequence. Court. This doesn't compare. This
is not around country, this is not Watergate. This is
somebody who should be But the question is still going
to sit there.
Speaker 6 (22:16):
How in the world did that happen? And they know
and they should tell and that settles the question.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
That's it.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
Just tell us what happened and let's move on. How
much of the oxygen do you think they got out
of the room yesterday? I think a lot of it, I.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
Think, because it's not that big a thing in the
first place, but they're going to make it a big
thing if they don't tell us everything they know.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
And like everything else, this is not I don't want to,
you know, to my commandments, not to play us versus them,
but you know that them, they haven't been on a
very good role lately, and it seems like everything they
do blows up in their face. In my gut, I
can't explain it, and it's not just wishful thinking, but
there's something about it I think is going to blow
(22:58):
up in the Atlantic's face and nothing else. What we
just acknowledged was what American would keep those days the.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
Minute it kicked out for four days. Yeah, the minute
I got it.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
Hey, I don't belong on here, and you need to
know who I was, find out, make sure nobody else
was exactly.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
That's the right thing to do, that's the honest thing
to do, and that happens to be the patriotic and
American thing to do. I don't care what, Michael, You've
done this. I've done this.
Speaker 6 (23:21):
I have people listening to this call right now that
know what I'm talking about in regards to confidences that
have been kept. In spite of the fact, I wish
I could have gone right to CBS News and said,
this is exactly what I got my hands on.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
Can't do that? Yeah, I had.
Speaker 1 (23:34):
I had one in particular. It was singing like a canary.
It was literally hung them. I stopped after, you know,
because I was as busy and I'm a paragraph and.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
I'm like, what the heck is this? And is somebody
setting me this from inside their organize?
Speaker 1 (23:48):
And then I realized it was on accident, and I
stopped reading because it was none of my business and
I didn't have to, but I honestly did.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
And then I informed them.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
I hit reply all and I informed them, I don't
think I belong on this list.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
You might want to check your list. And this isn't
Donald Trump's job, this is this is Mike Waltz's.
Speaker 1 (24:06):
Jeh, this is the guy you weren't impressed with how
he handled himself last.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
Night with Loring.
Speaker 6 (24:10):
No, I did a terrible job anymore because his restress off.
He was a big shot, bully, high volume, attacking the messenger. No, no, no, no, no,
let us attack the messenger. You own the mistake, right, yeah,
you own the mistake. We will attack the messenger, thank
you very much.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
Do you think when Donald Trump leaned in that cabinet
meeting and you know, basically stood by it, No, he
doesn't need to apologize. Look, this is technology. Mistakes are made, though,
and he leaned over, looked right over. I don't think
that's going to happen again.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
Do you think it ended there?
Speaker 1 (24:38):
Just like you and I were watching JD Vance from
a restaurant. Now, I went ahead and watched all forty
eight minutes, and I watched it five times. But even
after five times, even after in grace and no grace,
with mercy, with no mercy, I came to the conclusion
(24:58):
Jad was wrong, and I watched the president, and I'm
sure the president thought he was wrong. And I watched
the President stand by him. Like if you and I
were in a meeting and it would be me by
the way in the meeting saying too much, you would
give me a look, and then you would stand by me,
and then in private you would make it. I think
that happened with JD. And I'll bet that's happening with Walt.
(25:20):
I agree, and I think that's the right style of leadership.
Now you have to take care of these things behind
closed doors. But when you're in an open.
Speaker 6 (25:26):
Situation, Look, if you're not front, you defend your brother brethren.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
That's what this is about, and you straighten it out.
So let's do the simple part of it, and that
is how did it happen? Should they continue to use signal?
I agree most Americans don't know what signal is. It
is common practice to be used. From a Goldberg standpoint,
you would have to enter. So he knew when he
(25:52):
entered he was entering something he shouldn't have been entering.
I mean, he kept the data and didn't respond immediately.
He was playing a game and even said he was
playing it. Maybe I've been.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
Maybe I've been. This is an hoax. They're trying to
lure me in and trot me in.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
Really, come on, uh and of course what does it
speak to uh it? Do you really think that this sends.
I think it's a tough message to sell. Gosh, I'm
hard because I'm I'm I'm obviously by worldview, by by platform,
by policy view, I'm rooting for this group I like.
(26:27):
But but I mean, you know, I don't think it
it proves amateur hour because who hasn't I've done some
of the.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
Dumbest things with technology. You could that.
Speaker 6 (26:36):
Yeah, it just proves humanity, So be human and and
and and and move on. I get that part, but
don't get caught saying we can't make a mistake and blaming.
Speaker 2 (26:47):
It on the other guy.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
You may know, although I did get some some information
yesterday that we are growing as the King of the
Art city as well Saint Louis. But you know, we
are known as the Kings of Youngstown. Uh So we
have something from Ohio Nature, a center for well Public
Square is based. The Mission Center is in the Cleveland
(27:10):
metropolitan area. American Policy Roundtable originated in Ohio, so you
are certainly while you're based in Ohio and Florida and Tennessee.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
Ohio is the Holy Land.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
So let's talk about Brown and what he's up to
with his new organization moving to Columbus. He's up to
what senators are up to, staying till death. But you're
ruling out Governor h Yeah, because it's.
Speaker 6 (27:34):
Too much work for shared. Governor doesn't like a lot
of work. No covenor, vointavi. It's taught me that. And
when he was sitting in the US Senate, we sit
back and go who's running extra Governor Georgia and say,
too much work for him? Too much work for him,
because if you've been there, you've done that. You work
with governors, you know, that's the hardest working job in
America and most thankless job and the best.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
And what's the best job in the world, the Club
of One. So he loses to Marino, he wants to
get right back. So he's gonna right next time because.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
He's going up against a guy named John Houston's the
former lieutenant governor who has got the opportunity. And what's
Houston done.
Speaker 6 (28:06):
Houston got the job and then disappeared, like every senator
from the Midwest does, they get the job and then
you don't hear from him for five years until it's
re election time. So in the meantime, Sharon Brown's got
a much better name recognition than John Houston. But what
he's doing is he started an NGO, Michael, he started at.
Speaker 1 (28:24):
A time we're all getting lessons on NGOs and what
they really are. But his NGO does reveal pivot, So
he's not the crazy far left. This is a guy
that's on the rebrand on the pivot we saw Bernie Sanders,
of course say the President doing a great job with
the border, as if suddenly the Democrats have supported a
secure border and law and order and enforcement. He's pivoting
(28:47):
with the focus laser focus on the middle class and jobs.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
Suddenly.
Speaker 6 (28:51):
My friend Amity Slaves, who wrote the book The Forgotten Man,
is the hero of everyone in politics. The book's been
out for twenty years in which she plains what happens
when you forget the American middle class, which is most
of us right well now shared Brown starting an NGO
on the middle class fighting for you.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
All he's got to do is have John Morgan join him,
right for Morgan and Morgan, it's perfect, all right.
Speaker 6 (29:13):
So here we go, and he's going to turn around
and run for the United States Senate again and try
to knock off Houston. That's my guess, because Houston's got
to run again in twenty twenty six because he got
appointed to the seat.
Speaker 1 (29:24):
Well, the NGO gives you the strategy and the lane.
Why the move to Columbus.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
That's because all in that well and make a bunch
of five, Yeah, you leave it.
Speaker 6 (29:39):
Who knows well Columbus because Columbus and Franklin County forty
years ago. When we started in this work in the
state of Ohio forty five years ago, Franklin County, Columbus
was a conservative area. Now it is the singular most
liberal area in the state of Ohio. That's why he's there,
because that's where all good liberal NGOs go.
Speaker 1 (29:55):
And I was going to ask you the question, is
that to be near Ohio State University and the intelligentsia,
or to be near the capitol all of the above,
all of the above. So shred is rights in the game.
He's right back going to the Senate. They will not leave.
They cannot do anything else, Why not just run the
NGO and influence all the other senators.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
No, he's got to be the senator, that's what we're
talking about.
Speaker 6 (30:21):
So it's an attempt to steal the seat back and
to change the balance.
Speaker 2 (30:26):
And that's really what this whole election is coming from.
That's why I'm so concerned about all of these issues,
because momentum on the bottom is the truth, and there
are no coattails in twenty twenty six. This has got
to be one from the bottom up.
Speaker 1 (30:39):
Well, he couldn't get it done against Marino. That was
a very shocking defeat. Probably even more shocking is they've
all been sworn in what two months ago, and he's
already made the move to Columbu, he's got his ENNGO,
and he's ready to run for senator again.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
I was waiting for as to check from Uncle George.
Speaker 1 (30:54):
You know, a show that's run its course and no
cast members will ever leave. I think I've seen this before,
all right, David Sanati.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
Almost the full hour.
Speaker 1 (31:04):
At any point in the dentist chair, did you fear
for your life?
Speaker 8 (31:10):
No?
Speaker 2 (31:11):
But I was really upset that I couldn't get to
my phone to text you.
Speaker 3 (31:14):
No.
Speaker 1 (31:14):
You know what, it would have been a waste because
the truth of the matter is, yesterday had unfold, had
you joined me when we were going to join each
other at seven o five Central, eight o five Eastern,
I'd just still been sitting here going, Okay. I don't
know what happened. I don't have enough information. But the
bottom line is everything you need to know about Goldberg
(31:34):
in the Atlantic, that much is revealed for all to see.
I did not like the way Hegseth was handling it early,
but now having had the day play out, probably still
not Waltz fans, and how he handled Laura Ingram, but
the president of the United States, who is the CEO
of the executive Branch, and the way he took control
(31:56):
that was answer prayer number one. The way he humble
accepted the responsibility, explained it transparently, stood by his cabinet.
I really love that was my ultimate preyer in twenty
You know me, I was a Marco Rubio guy. I
saw Jack Kennedy, you saw Donald Trump as Truman, and
(32:17):
you were right, and he won. I had him winning
on the electoral college map. But that was my head,
in my heart. I didn't think it was possible till
after I saw the exit polling on election day. I
always stood by President Trump. I think he made a
tremendous mistake with COVID. He got duped like a lot
of people got duped. But I loved what he did.
(32:37):
Couldn't always stand by the way he did it. Since
being shot at, he's a different man. And it's not
what he's saying, it's how differently he's living. And for me,
that's the ultimate. I have a commander in chief now
that I can trust with my entire heart and mind.
And I thought yesterday was a pretty shining moment for that.
In a really bad circumstance. That was the only point
I was making. Big John, you don't have to stick
(32:58):
up for me, but anytime you see been roughing me
up on the golf course, feel free to run into
the middle of the fairway and rough them up like that.
Speaker 2 (33:05):
I'd probably need the help. Loved our visit. This is
your morning show with Michael del Chrono, This is your
morning show, Blaine's and Iowa.
Speaker 9 (33:16):
Yeah, the venerable journalist photoshot those that information. He never
should have done that. He never should have stayed on
the call. He never should have been privy to the call.
He should have stepped away from it or recused himself,
so to speak, but he wanted to profit from it.
I hope it blows up in his face any I
guys have a good day.
Speaker 1 (33:36):
I think for the average American it's already blown up
in his face. First of all, I mean, I've had
this happen with like radio. All right, that's nothing. As
I try to remind our staff every day, no lives
are saved or lost doing radio. I mean, you know,
you botch a liner or a rejoiner who cares, but
you're sitting and you sign on volitionally and you no,
(34:00):
you're on a secured thread with the national security and
military apparatus of the United States. I mean, to Red's point,
off the year, wouldn't you be scared to death? That
would be like you know, what was the movie Thermal
Nuclear War with the war games? Yeah, I mean something
to be at your door in ten minutes, let alone.
(34:22):
The American thing to do is get off immediately, allow
them to know there's some better mistake, so that they no,
you want to seize it and embarrass the administration and
at the risk of how we look to the world. Look,
Goldberg's a loser in this thing. And for the left
that don't want to see it, they won't see it.
(34:43):
But for most of America and especially that middle they're
seeing it already.
Speaker 2 (34:46):
I assure you we're all in this together. This is
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