Nancy and Sheryl hit the road for this week’s CRU, covering a variety of cases, including the Idaho murders and the latest on Bryan Kohberger, Delphi murder trial, and reflections on the O.J. Simpson trial. They also touch base on Scott Peterson’s recent court “win” and share updates on the unfolding developments in the P. Diddy case.
Show Notes:
- (0:00) Welcome! Nancy and Sheryl introduce this week’s crime roundup
- (0:30) “I Can't Be a Victim”: Steve Goncalves Vows Justice for His Daughter Kaylee
- (1:00) Heartfelt memories and emotional reflections
- (5:30) Trial strategies and legal challenges
- (7:00) Reflections of O.J Simpson trial
- (8:45) The latest on Bryan Kohberger
- (13:00) Nancy’s reflections on trial strategy and evidence challenges
- (16:15) Scott Peterson’s recent court victory - a review of what it means
- (19:00) Latest on P. Daddy a.k.a Cuff Daddy
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Nancy Grace is an outspoken, tireless advocate for victims’ rights and one of television's most respected legal analysts. Nancy Grace had a perfect conviction record during her decade as a prosecutor. She is the founder and publisher of CrimeOnline.com, a crime- fighting digital platform that investigates breaking crime news, spreads awareness of missing people and shines a light on cold cases.
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Sheryl “Mac” McCollum is an Emmy Award winning CSI, a writer for CrimeOnLine, Forensic and Crime Scene Expert for Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, and a CSI for a metro Atlanta Police Department. She is the co-author of the textbook., Cold Case: Pathways to Justice.
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Speaker 1 (00:07):
Y'all, it's crime round up. Nancy Grace, I gotta tell
you something. Do you have to tell me? I have
to tell you. I want to award you. I have
not a lot.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Go ahead, David, tell them you're here, your lurk. Oh,
that may change the whole program.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
Wait are you not dear speak?
Speaker 3 (00:25):
I'm scared to speak.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
Ross girls. How are you, Honey? Good? How you doing
doing great? I'mut, I'm in rout to see our friend
Joe Scott Marker. Oh you're going to the ribbon cutting.
You know what we tried to keep a secret from you.
I guess you found that because I now you're going
to blow up in there.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
I wish I could. I'm stuck at the department. But uh,
doctor Grace, you have a lovely time. Oh yes, doctor Grace. Okay,
I'm gonna go with that.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
But Nancy, I.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
Watched you yesterday Hope with mister consol Viz, and I
got to tell you my heart went back to my zone.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
Three days. We had a young man murdered.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
About twenty five years ago, and all of his friends
showed up at his house, and I remember his dad
came out on the porch and he said to them.
If I could break open my chest and show you
my heart, you would see just how.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
Broken it was.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
He said, it's no good for me anymore. I will
never be okay. And when I was watching y'all, that's
all I could think about.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
When I was doing that, I got so upset I
could hardly formulate the next question about with Troy, let's
stick to him talk. It almost made me feel sick
to have my stopping. I was the way he described
I Jess. I forgot that they had five children, and
(02:01):
one it's living in California. All the others were hull
when they got that drunk call, and they were all
ready to their devices try to find out what was
going on those moments, you know, when you're trying to
find out. I remember not really understanding what had happened
(02:25):
when Keith was hardered, and then when I did found out,
when I did find out, was just horrible. When I
spring shippin when I was in New York and we
had just got up there with the children, it's visiting.
We went back and at the moment I got the
bait and did their bets at bed, my mom content
(02:45):
my dad was in those hours of racing, getting their
clothes back on, getting them back out to the street,
picking up the bags that were still packed from the
visit home, and at midnight try to hell a cap
to get to an airport, to try to get on.
Those hours were just hell not Oh we what what's happening?
(03:09):
Nobody could talk to you, Nobody could tell me anything. Uh,
it's terrible. I thought about that as he was talking
about he and his children and his wife all try
to find out what happened at the worst and oh,
he just broke my heart. Just broke my heart talking
(03:30):
to him.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
No, it was gut wrenching and it showed on both sides.
And you know, the one thing when he said about
the funeral, he said, it was just gross because you
had to go in here and do business. That to
me was one of those things listening to him as
a parent, thinking, yeah, you've got to go in here
(03:51):
and haggle about prices and write checks and you know,
trying to understand everything they're telling you for this horrible event.
Everything he said was just so raw and so personal.
But again, watching the two of.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
You, I don't know, Nancy, I agree with you. It
was more than an interview I'm telling you, it just
felt like he his soul was exposed. If you could
see the hurt in his heart and the thought, oh
my stars. I told you this several times, although I'm
(04:25):
sure I never brought it up, and I was at
the Digity attorney's office. I'll think any would he that
Keith had been murdered the whole time I was a prosecutor.
I just was that to a point where I could
even talk about that. But the traveling to the trial,
that was nothing appear to what those families are going
(04:49):
through are going to go through. I was telling David
last night that a one way trip for them seven
and a half hours to get to Poise, they're going
to have to leave their jobs. And it reminded me
of my dad, who had never missed work. He took
(05:10):
off work. My love took off work to try me
back and forth to Keith's murder trial. And it was
a blurb. I think I was just laying.
Speaker 4 (05:19):
In the back seat and I look out occasionally, Oh,
just brutal, brutal, And now they're having to give up
their whole their jobs to go and camp out.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
Somewhere Boise for I don't know four or five months.
It's going to be hell. But I can tell you this,
all you would suffering aside. Let's worry about trial strategy.
It'd be a cold, a NHG doublel that I would
agree to a bifar kiy trial where state puts it's
part of in May and then they take three months
(05:56):
off and the jury here's the defense that's September, and
then goes out to reach your perty. Oh no, no,
that's not fair. No, I'm with you, that's insane. Nope.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
And to put the family through that again, just more stolen,
more separation, more money.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
They're going to have to come out of pocket to
you know, travel again. They've got to go find me
going you got a dollar?
Speaker 2 (06:22):
Give it, amen, Because remember when we sat with Beth Holloway,
I will never forget I was knocked out, she said.
When she finally was able to get herself together to
leave Aruba without her child, they handed her a bill
for over thirty thousand dollars. So this family, with all
(06:43):
of their children, they need help to be able to
go and stay for months and months and months in
a city they're not from.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
I remember my friend Doughtic Donner, the city of my eye,
and that was about, you know, going and watch he
really beat part of the oj Simpson prosecution, and what
it was like be there in l A. All the
(07:14):
trump was around to get I gotta tell you when
I went out to get the dance at the Stars,
l A is a whole different thing. We tell you
something speaking of going out of town for a trial.
But we went to La. We taken Lucy John David
to the playground. Wait two times and Lucy who was
(07:35):
not even three at the time. They turned three or
four they turned forth. They were three at the time.
Lucy came up and said, I want to pay my
favor nails to pierce my ears up, like we're moving,
We're going home, right, Uh, this is just the beginning.
We stay in there like the smooth out there, but
(07:58):
my bigger nails and here's my ears. What best we
maybe was paying attention some horrible little child of the playground.
I told her, here's her ears. Hate her fingernails, oh
little Oh. I love her so much that I can't
even talk about the boy that when I talked about
(08:19):
they were just break and that's all I could think
about when I was looking those pictures of killing them solves.
Oh my finish, So all four of them, including Ethan,
They're beautiful, so beautiful. I just think somebody would do that.
Let's see you and I are talking in a way
that we could never talk, go can never reveal how
(08:44):
we feel feelings. Oh, none of that courtrot. But the
whole thing is just breaking me apart. And what about
right cobragers? You look and he actually has fans, fans?
What's the Coburger support? On Facebook page?
Speaker 2 (09:04):
I posted a picture of Ted Bundy the other day
in his suit with his fresh haircut, laughing with his attorney,
who was also female, and I just.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
Simply said, Brian, Coburger, it ain't gonna work.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
As you always say, Nancy, you can put lipstick on
that pig all afternoon.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
It ain't gonna change.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
People are going to see exactly what is in front
of them. They're gonna take that evidence, they're going to
understand it, and I think they're going to come back
with a correct verdict.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
I just do. I'm very anxious to hear the evidence
that it's under we haven't heard yet. I can't wait.
You know that's a good read, Stay up all night.
Read those phone blocks where those peaks are man, I
would love to be to get through his self, no
(09:55):
doubt right now, love it, every line of it.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
Me too. And I tell you you know they went
over that car with a fine tooth comb. There won't
be any dirt in it, there won't be any leaves
and all of that from this hike.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
You said that with a fire too home. Oh my goodness,
Oh you know it's true.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
You know there's not going to be any evidence that
he went on this mysterious hike.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
Well, no evidence that he went on a hike. Just
oh gosh. You know how many times we talked about
did he transfer anything into that car? Any evidence at
all on spec blood, what hair, what anything?
Speaker 2 (10:41):
Well, it's on video, and the knife sheath is a
money tree. I mean, you ain't talking about the car,
but that nice shep think going away.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
The fact that his.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
Car is on video, the fact that he's pinging for
the fourteen days leading up to it.
Speaker 1 (10:57):
I mean, there's so much, there's so much much that
puts him there. I look at the glass half empty
because I'm always looking for more evidence. I'm always anticipating
how the evidence that I do have could be destroyed
or cross examined. How can I withstand that? How can
(11:18):
I fight back? How can I destroy them? So I
know that you're right? He left the knife. She thanks
you have Han with his DNA on the buckle he
bought according to Amazon, and I have no reason not
to believe Amazon, he bought the exact knife and it
(11:41):
should not be found. What happened to that? That's right?
Where did that go? He bought the tikis outfit to
cover himself up, David. That's like a worker band's outfit,
like you, Patre. They put on the yes that he's
acting like he knows what we're talking about. Did you
(12:01):
hear that? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, shut up, David. He totally
not banging any attention. I tell you that man is
a godsend for you.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
I know, I.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
Got so lucky. I'll fell in a pot of honey.
And not just him, his whole family. They're nice, the
whole family. I believe me. I've been expecting them from
eighty years. Pretty crack at the near. I haven't found
anything yet. You know what's interesting. I remember his little brother.
I would play catch with him at the yard, and
(12:32):
then he chopped up and said, and he was gonna
be a pastor and start a church. I'm like, oh,
how sweet. He's gonna have a little hall church with
like twenty people that straggle it. He's the pastor and
founded a mega church. It's amazing. He is a fantastic
a fantastic pastor at your star. But that said, I
(12:56):
got lucky. I got lucky at his sister, so he
believes that's them. I'd ever have what argument with the
guitar family, not eighty of it out? How can that
even bet for me? That's true? Why didn't we both
tell you to shut up?
Speaker 2 (13:13):
And you know what, I'll brag on David too. My
brother in law Lance sat with him at all. Yeah,
And what are the odds they would know each other, right?
Speaker 1 (13:24):
And you know where? From playing football, from playing high
school in football.
Speaker 3 (13:28):
He was a legend when I was playing football, and
I never met him, and I didn't realize who was
until I forty five minutes later we were about to leave,
and I heard all these things about him when I
was a kid because this is a ye or too
old and I was it's one of the best players.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
In the state. Let me tell you we used to
as a family.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
They lived next door to us, and of course Charlene
and Lance dated in high school.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
We would load up, we would all go to the games.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
Lance was flawless when it came to hide in that
football and people would run thinking somebody else had it,
and then he would make the touchdown byself. You know,
excuse me, I'm trying to apprehend a van on the
air state right now, you Leonard, and I saw you.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
I'm getting your tag. I'm so getting you. Anyway, what
were we saying, y'all? She ain't never off duty? I
just wonder, and you know, I keep talking about the
family having to relocate. What about the prosecution? You know,
the defense. This is what they wanted. This is their doing,
the prosecution, leaving your family. You know how angry I
do I have to go out of town and leave
(14:34):
the twins to work, which is what I'm doing right now.
By the way, I hate it, you know, having I'm
so glad I had the children. After I was a prosecutor.
I would have been the worst prosecutor at the world
because at that time I had nothing in my love.
I you know, just work. That's I could really hone
(14:57):
in and focus. So just imagine of these prosecutors leaving
their family and their homes and go there. Oh and
it's seven and a half hours. How could you even
get help on the weekend to see your family.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
No, it's going to be a struggle for a lot
of people. And I'll tell you it's not going to
be a picnic for the jury either. They'll be sequestered
to an extent, even if they're from that town.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
Well, at least they'll be sequestered during the jury delibracial.
Oh hey, hey, I know we're talking about Coberg, but
just pause. What violent? Two things are happening? Three really
big things? Number one well four if you count did
(15:40):
number one. It's where I get any trial. I'm afraid
is does he deserve it?
Speaker 3 (15:47):
No?
Speaker 1 (15:47):
Do I think the court quird really swayed the jury?
Speaker 3 (15:52):
Do?
Speaker 1 (15:53):
But does the appellate court have to do it because
of the appearance of impropriety. Probably we're going to get
another trial. So go hop with that. GELOPI of yours
help meach in South Carolina. That's how me deal thought
is going. I can't believe we're actually heading into reflection.
(16:13):
I guess you and I are going to go up
at the safe tip. I don't know that. Actually, we
should probably split it up, Cheryl, so I can be
there and then when I have to come back, you
can be there if you can report fraud Delphi. There's
something else. There's something else. Was cobrag. Oh my stars,
what a four at my side. Scott Peterson just had
(16:35):
a major win he court. A judge has allowed him
to redo discovery. And when I say discovery, that means
the state heads over everything it's got that is discoverable
under the claw, and the defense has it prior to trial.
Now they're going to get to redo everything and a
(16:55):
bed for an ey trial. But what it really boils
down to me for me is a piece of duct
tape that was either wrapped around or attached to Lacey's
body in San Francisco Bay. And you know that's a cesspool.
That is a cesspool San Francisco Bay. They're not telling
what kind of DNA has been attached to that duct tape. Okay,
(17:18):
that plus testing fraud that burned out fan there, the
area where she went miss sake well where he killed her,
and the because the mattress and that appeared type blood
on did you that is, Cheryl, that the duct tape
has already been tested and it is now under sealed.
The results are under seal. When do you think we'll
(17:40):
learn the results? Well, the whole kit mittle is done,
after the testing is done off the van contents and
as the case progresses. I made it would be h
E double l at that word retrial, and he didn't.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
Well, I have said, if Lacey's DNA is in that van,
then Scott Peterson stole that van.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
Now that's a the twist her DNA. It's not going
to be in the man, Please stop putting that out
into the ether to not say that anymore. For DNA
is not going to be that made that. But my
fear is going to be that the duct tape in
the San Francisco Bay picked up. I tell you, I
don't know all teve in contact with DNA from a
(18:27):
shripper out god in the water. I don't know. It
could be anything, even if it's unidentifiable, that could be used. Now,
it could be duct tape that was floating in San Franciscoffe.
It could be duct tape that was wrapped around her.
So what if, though, just hold your breath on this,
(18:50):
we can dream.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
I tell you there's a lot going on and we
ain't heard the last of Diddy either.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
Oh I've been. Of course, it's going to continue to
get try to get bond. But the moment he gets
set up one and.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
Girl, can I just tell you when I heard you
call him cuff daddy, I about wrecked my car.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
When he gets convicted, it's gonna be Sean comes, he
f nupper whatever. So that's what's happening. I'm just curious,
you know. One more, thanks, Cheryl, Just just to think
about these simple cases that are being filed against him,
that it's like a Trevor Treasure trove of evidence or
(19:33):
the stake they are helping the state because the simple
cases will be full of information mistake. Then subpena, a
cue against comes at triumph. So that's all good, Okay,
all that's a big old gift. I'm sorry, Cheryl.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
I gotta go, honey, y'all have a safe trip. Be careful,
bye friend, Bye hon him the baa baa Inada
Y'all, it's crime round up. Nancy Grace, I gotta tell
you something. Do you have to tell me? I have
to tell you. I want to award you. I have
not a lot.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Go ahead, David, tell them you're here, your lurk. Oh,
that may change the whole program.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
Wait are you not dear speak?
Speaker 3 (00:25):
I'm scared to speak.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
Ross girls. How are you, Honey? Good? How you doing
doing great? I'mut, I'm in rout to see our friend
Joe Scott Marker. Oh you're going to the ribbon cutting.
You know what we tried to keep a secret from you.
I guess you found that because I now you're going
to blow up in there.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
I wish I could. I'm stuck at the department. But uh,
doctor Grace, you have a lovely time. Oh yes, doctor Grace. Okay,
I'm gonna go with that.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
But Nancy, I.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
Watched you yesterday Hope with mister consol Viz, and I
got to tell you my heart went back to my zone.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
Three days. We had a young man murdered.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
About twenty five years ago, and all of his friends
showed up at his house, and I remember his dad
came out on the porch and he said to them.
If I could break open my chest and show you
my heart, you would see just how.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
Broken it was.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
He said, it's no good for me anymore. I will
never be okay. And when I was watching y'all, that's
all I could think about.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
When I was doing that, I got so upset I
could hardly formulate the next question about with Troy, let's
stick to him talk. It almost made me feel sick
to have my stopping. I was the way he described
I Jess. I forgot that they had five children, and
(02:01):
one it's living in California. All the others were hull
when they got that drunk call, and they were all
ready to their devices try to find out what was
going on those moments, you know, when you're trying to
find out. I remember not really understanding what had happened
(02:25):
when Keith was hardered, and then when I did found out,
when I did find out, was just horrible. When I
spring shippin when I was in New York and we
had just got up there with the children, it's visiting.
We went back and at the moment I got the
bait and did their bets at bed, my mom content
(02:45):
my dad was in those hours of racing, getting their
clothes back on, getting them back out to the street,
picking up the bags that were still packed from the
visit home, and at midnight try to hell a cap
to get to an airport, to try to get on.
Those hours were just hell not Oh we what what's happening?
(03:09):
Nobody could talk to you, Nobody could tell me anything. Uh,
it's terrible. I thought about that as he was talking
about he and his children and his wife all try
to find out what happened at the worst and oh,
he just broke my heart. Just broke my heart talking
(03:30):
to him.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
No, it was gut wrenching and it showed on both sides.
And you know, the one thing when he said about
the funeral, he said, it was just gross because you
had to go in here and do business. That to
me was one of those things listening to him as
a parent, thinking, yeah, you've got to go in here
(03:51):
and haggle about prices and write checks and you know,
trying to understand everything they're telling you for this horrible event.
Everything he said was just so raw and so personal.
But again, watching the two of.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
You, I don't know, Nancy, I agree with you. It
was more than an interview I'm telling you, it just
felt like he his soul was exposed. If you could
see the hurt in his heart and the thought, oh
my stars. I told you this several times, although I'm
(04:25):
sure I never brought it up, and I was at
the Digity attorney's office. I'll think any would he that
Keith had been murdered the whole time I was a prosecutor.
I just was that to a point where I could
even talk about that. But the traveling to the trial,
that was nothing appear to what those families are going
(04:49):
through are going to go through. I was telling David
last night that a one way trip for them seven
and a half hours to get to Poise, they're going
to have to leave their jobs. And it reminded me
of my dad, who had never missed work. He took
(05:10):
off work. My love took off work to try me
back and forth to Keith's murder trial. And it was
a blurb. I think I was just laying.
Speaker 4 (05:19):
In the back seat and I look out occasionally, Oh,
just brutal, brutal, And now they're having to give up
their whole their jobs to go and camp out.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
Somewhere Boise for I don't know four or five months.
It's going to be hell. But I can tell you this,
all you would suffering aside. Let's worry about trial strategy.
It'd be a cold, a NHG doublel that I would
agree to a bifar kiy trial where state puts it's
part of in May and then they take three months
(05:56):
off and the jury here's the defense that's September, and
then goes out to reach your perty. Oh no, no,
that's not fair. No, I'm with you, that's insane. Nope.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
And to put the family through that again, just more stolen,
more separation, more money.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
They're going to have to come out of pocket to
you know, travel again. They've got to go find me
going you got a dollar?
Speaker 2 (06:22):
Give it, amen, Because remember when we sat with Beth Holloway,
I will never forget I was knocked out, she said.
When she finally was able to get herself together to
leave Aruba without her child, they handed her a bill
for over thirty thousand dollars. So this family, with all
(06:43):
of their children, they need help to be able to
go and stay for months and months and months in
a city they're not from.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
I remember my friend Doughtic Donner, the city of my eye,
and that was about, you know, going and watch he
really beat part of the oj Simpson prosecution, and what
it was like be there in l A. All the
(07:14):
trump was around to get I gotta tell you when
I went out to get the dance at the Stars,
l A is a whole different thing. We tell you
something speaking of going out of town for a trial.
But we went to La. We taken Lucy John David
to the playground. Wait two times and Lucy who was
(07:35):
not even three at the time. They turned three or
four they turned forth. They were three at the time.
Lucy came up and said, I want to pay my
favor nails to pierce my ears up, like we're moving,
We're going home, right, Uh, this is just the beginning.
We stay in there like the smooth out there, but
(07:58):
my bigger nails and here's my ears. What best we
maybe was paying attention some horrible little child of the playground.
I told her, here's her ears. Hate her fingernails, oh
little Oh. I love her so much that I can't
even talk about the boy that when I talked about
(08:19):
they were just break and that's all I could think
about when I was looking those pictures of killing them solves.
Oh my finish, So all four of them, including Ethan,
They're beautiful, so beautiful. I just think somebody would do that.
Let's see you and I are talking in a way
that we could never talk, go can never reveal how
(08:44):
we feel feelings. Oh, none of that courtrot. But the
whole thing is just breaking me apart. And what about
right cobragers? You look and he actually has fans, fans?
What's the Coburger support? On Facebook page?
Speaker 2 (09:04):
I posted a picture of Ted Bundy the other day
in his suit with his fresh haircut, laughing with his attorney,
who was also female, and I just.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
Simply said, Brian, Coburger, it ain't gonna work.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
As you always say, Nancy, you can put lipstick on
that pig all afternoon.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
It ain't gonna change.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
People are going to see exactly what is in front
of them. They're gonna take that evidence, they're going to
understand it, and I think they're going to come back
with a correct verdict.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
I just do. I'm very anxious to hear the evidence
that it's under we haven't heard yet. I can't wait.
You know that's a good read, Stay up all night.
Read those phone blocks where those peaks are man, I
would love to be to get through his self, no
(09:55):
doubt right now, love it, every line of it.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
Me too. And I tell you you know they went
over that car with a fine tooth comb. There won't
be any dirt in it, there won't be any leaves
and all of that from this hike.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
You said that with a fire too home. Oh my goodness,
Oh you know it's true.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
You know there's not going to be any evidence that
he went on this mysterious hike.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
Well, no evidence that he went on a hike. Just
oh gosh. You know how many times we talked about
did he transfer anything into that car? Any evidence at
all on spec blood, what hair, what anything?
Speaker 2 (10:41):
Well, it's on video, and the knife sheath is a
money tree. I mean, you ain't talking about the car,
but that nice shep think going away.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
The fact that his.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
Car is on video, the fact that he's pinging for
the fourteen days leading up to it.
Speaker 1 (10:57):
I mean, there's so much, there's so much much that
puts him there. I look at the glass half empty
because I'm always looking for more evidence. I'm always anticipating
how the evidence that I do have could be destroyed
or cross examined. How can I withstand that? How can
(11:18):
I fight back? How can I destroy them? So I
know that you're right? He left the knife. She thanks
you have Han with his DNA on the buckle he
bought according to Amazon, and I have no reason not
to believe Amazon, he bought the exact knife and it
(11:41):
should not be found. What happened to that? That's right?
Where did that go? He bought the tikis outfit to
cover himself up, David. That's like a worker band's outfit,
like you, Patre. They put on the yes that he's
acting like he knows what we're talking about. Did you
(12:01):
hear that? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, shut up, David. He totally
not banging any attention. I tell you that man is
a godsend for you.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
I know, I.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
Got so lucky. I'll fell in a pot of honey.
And not just him, his whole family. They're nice, the
whole family. I believe me. I've been expecting them from
eighty years. Pretty crack at the near. I haven't found
anything yet. You know what's interesting. I remember his little brother.
I would play catch with him at the yard, and
(12:32):
then he chopped up and said, and he was gonna
be a pastor and start a church. I'm like, oh,
how sweet. He's gonna have a little hall church with
like twenty people that straggle it. He's the pastor and
founded a mega church. It's amazing. He is a fantastic
a fantastic pastor at your star. But that said, I
(12:56):
got lucky. I got lucky at his sister, so he
believes that's them. I'd ever have what argument with the
guitar family, not eighty of it out? How can that
even bet for me? That's true? Why didn't we both
tell you to shut up?
Speaker 2 (13:13):
And you know what, I'll brag on David too. My
brother in law Lance sat with him at all. Yeah,
And what are the odds they would know each other, right?
Speaker 1 (13:24):
And you know where? From playing football, from playing high
school in football.
Speaker 3 (13:28):
He was a legend when I was playing football, and
I never met him, and I didn't realize who was
until I forty five minutes later we were about to leave,
and I heard all these things about him when I
was a kid because this is a ye or too
old and I was it's one of the best players.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
In the state. Let me tell you we used to
as a family.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
They lived next door to us, and of course Charlene
and Lance dated in high school.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
We would load up, we would all go to the games.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
Lance was flawless when it came to hide in that
football and people would run thinking somebody else had it,
and then he would make the touchdown byself. You know,
excuse me, I'm trying to apprehend a van on the
air state right now, you Leonard, and I saw you.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
I'm getting your tag. I'm so getting you. Anyway, what
were we saying, y'all? She ain't never off duty? I
just wonder, and you know, I keep talking about the
family having to relocate. What about the prosecution? You know,
the defense. This is what they wanted. This is their doing,
the prosecution, leaving your family. You know how angry I
do I have to go out of town and leave
(14:34):
the twins to work, which is what I'm doing right now.
By the way, I hate it, you know, having I'm
so glad I had the children. After I was a prosecutor.
I would have been the worst prosecutor at the world
because at that time I had nothing in my love.
I you know, just work. That's I could really hone
(14:57):
in and focus. So just imagine of these prosecutors leaving
their family and their homes and go there. Oh and
it's seven and a half hours. How could you even
get help on the weekend to see your family.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
No, it's going to be a struggle for a lot
of people. And I'll tell you it's not going to
be a picnic for the jury either. They'll be sequestered
to an extent, even if they're from that town.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
Well, at least they'll be sequestered during the jury delibracial.
Oh hey, hey, I know we're talking about Coberg, but
just pause. What violent? Two things are happening? Three really
big things? Number one well four if you count did
(15:40):
number one. It's where I get any trial. I'm afraid
is does he deserve it?
Speaker 3 (15:47):
No?
Speaker 1 (15:47):
Do I think the court quird really swayed the jury?
Speaker 3 (15:52):
Do?
Speaker 1 (15:53):
But does the appellate court have to do it because
of the appearance of impropriety. Probably we're going to get
another trial. So go hop with that. GELOPI of yours
help meach in South Carolina. That's how me deal thought
is going. I can't believe we're actually heading into reflection.
(16:13):
I guess you and I are going to go up
at the safe tip. I don't know that. Actually, we
should probably split it up, Cheryl, so I can be
there and then when I have to come back, you
can be there if you can report fraud Delphi. There's
something else. There's something else. Was cobrag. Oh my stars,
what a four at my side. Scott Peterson just had
(16:35):
a major win he court. A judge has allowed him
to redo discovery. And when I say discovery, that means
the state heads over everything it's got that is discoverable
under the claw, and the defense has it prior to trial.
Now they're going to get to redo everything and a
(16:55):
bed for an ey trial. But what it really boils
down to me for me is a piece of duct
tape that was either wrapped around or attached to Lacey's
body in San Francisco Bay. And you know that's a cesspool.
That is a cesspool San Francisco Bay. They're not telling
what kind of DNA has been attached to that duct tape. Okay,
(17:18):
that plus testing fraud that burned out fan there, the
area where she went miss sake well where he killed her,
and the because the mattress and that appeared type blood
on did you that is, Cheryl, that the duct tape
has already been tested and it is now under sealed.
The results are under seal. When do you think we'll
(17:40):
learn the results? Well, the whole kit mittle is done,
after the testing is done off the van contents and
as the case progresses. I made it would be h
E double l at that word retrial, and he didn't.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
Well, I have said, if Lacey's DNA is in that van,
then Scott Peterson stole that van.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
Now that's a the twist her DNA. It's not going
to be in the man, Please stop putting that out
into the ether to not say that anymore. For DNA
is not going to be that made that. But my
fear is going to be that the duct tape in
the San Francisco Bay picked up. I tell you, I
don't know all teve in contact with DNA from a
(18:27):
shripper out god in the water. I don't know. It
could be anything, even if it's unidentifiable, that could be used. Now,
it could be duct tape that was floating in San Franciscoffe.
It could be duct tape that was wrapped around her.
So what if, though, just hold your breath on this,
(18:50):
we can dream.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
I tell you there's a lot going on and we
ain't heard the last of Diddy either.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
Oh I've been. Of course, it's going to continue to
get try to get bond. But the moment he gets
set up one and.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
Girl, can I just tell you when I heard you
call him cuff daddy, I about wrecked my car.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
When he gets convicted, it's gonna be Sean comes, he
f nupper whatever. So that's what's happening. I'm just curious,
you know. One more, thanks, Cheryl, Just just to think
about these simple cases that are being filed against him,
that it's like a Trevor Treasure trove of evidence or
(19:33):
the stake they are helping the state because the simple
cases will be full of information mistake. Then subpena, a
cue against comes at triumph. So that's all good, Okay,
all that's a big old gift. I'm sorry, Cheryl.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
I gotta go, honey, y'all have a safe trip. Be careful,
bye friend, Bye hon him the baa baa Inada
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Sheryl McCollum
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