May 17, 2024 • 30 mins
In today’s episode of the CRU, Sheryl McCollum and Nancy Grace dive into the case of Kouri Richins, a mother who was arrested for the murder of her husband. The two discuss the details of the case, including the prenup, the assets, and the secret bank accounts that Kouri opened. They also talk about the Valentine's Day incident, in which Kouri’s husband almost died from anaphylactic shock, and the texts that Kouri sent and deleted. The medical examiner said that Kouri’s husband died from five times the lethal dose of fentanyl, and it is believed that she gave him a Moscow Mule laced with the drug.
Tune into Zone 7 with Dr. Joni Johnston as she and Sheryl dissect the book that Kouri wrote following the death of her husband: Are you with me? Dr. Joni Johnston Weighs in Between the Lines: Crime, Confession, and Literature
Show Notes:
- (0:00) Welcome! Nancy and Sheryl introduce this week’s crime roundup
- (5:00) Watch Nancy Grace on Merit Street Media
- (5:30) History of Kouri Richins
- (8:00) The first attempt on Eric's life
- (10:40) The Valentine's Day incident
- (16:25) Kouri’s sent a letter to her mother - suborning perjury
- (22:30) Speculations around Kouri Richins book
---
Nancy Grace is an outspoken, tireless advocate for victims’ rights and one of television's most respected legal analysts. Nancy Grace had a perfect conviction record during her decade as a prosecutor. She is the founder and publisher of CrimeOnline.com, a crime- fighting digital platform that investigates breaking crime news, spreads awareness of missing people and shines a light on cold cases.
In addition, Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, a daily show hosted by Grace, airs on SIRIUS XM’s Triumph Channel 111 and is downloadable as a podcast on all audio platforms - https://www.crimeonline.com/
Connect with Nancy:
X: @nancygrace
Instagram: @thenancygrace
Facebook: @nancygrace
Sheryl “Mac” McCollum is an Emmy Award winning CSI, a writer for CrimeOnLine, Forensic and Crime Scene Expert for Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, and a CSI for a metro Atlanta Police Department. She is the co-author of the textbook., Cold Case: Pathways to Justice.
Connect with Sheryl:
Email: coldcase2004@gmail.com
X: @149Zone7
Facebook: @sheryl.mccollum
See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Mark as Played
Transcript
Episode Transcript
Available transcripts are automatically generated. Complete accuracy is not guaranteed.
Speaker 1 (00:08):
Welcome to the crime Round up, y'all, and cow girl up.
I know Nancy Grace is ready tonight because she's been
roping cat y'all.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Yes, yes, I've been roping a cat literally today Cinnamon
went to the vet. It's just really a long story.
But I was training without a car and was literally
running back to the studio to get to you on time,
Cheryl McCollum, I must love you a lot, literally running
and I called Cheryl by the way en route of
(00:40):
the run, trying to get back in time so she
could hear lawnmowers and dogs barking in me trying to
breathe going up a hill. That said, I've been thinking
about it a long time, and I named Corey Richins
Moscow mule mom.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
M h listen before we get to her, I want
to say something to you.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
And I gave a chance to catch your breath.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
I can just fine go ahead, you know.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
With your New Merritt Street TV venture. It dawned on me,
I guess a day or so ago. I was driving
and I thought, you know what, I can remember when
you left the DA's office and you had told all
of us that you were headed to New York City
and you were going to be on this, you know,
cable show, which I didn't even really understand what cable
(01:28):
TV was. And I even remember your daddy Mac he
didn't have it either, and me and Walt were too
poor to have it. I think your dad was too
far out in the country to have it. And here
you're doing this awesome venture and we can't even watch you.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
But it dawned on me, Nancy, that you have such guts.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
And I don't think I've ever put two and two together,
because when you, you know, strike out on this type
of endeavor and your very own name on it, that
is just brave.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
And I just wanted to tell you.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
I am just so proud of you and impressed by
what you have done all these years. So I just
wanted to tell you that and remind people to go
to Merritt Street TV and watch the incredible groundbreaking work
you're doing.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
I never thought of it like that. I'm almost speechless,
not completely speech but almost speechless with what you said,
and I'm thinking about, Yeah, I didn't really know what
court TV was when I joined it. To os Cochran
and Grace, I did know this. They covered Court TV
covered a big murder trial. I had a millionaire murdered
(02:40):
his wife and then tried to cover it up with Arson.
And then they wanted to cover a serial rape case,
and I kicked him out of the courtroom. And then
I told the victim's look, I should tell you court
TV wanted to cover this, but I knew you did
not want to be on camera. And then w what
we didn't do any thing wrong? He did it. I'm like, okay,
(03:03):
So forty V came back and covered a serial rape case, prosecuted.
And then what happened Cheryl. It's the strangest thing. Well,
it's a miracle, that's what it is. It's not strange,
it's a miracle. Courty Vid wanted me to start a
show Cochrane and Grace with Johnny Cochran, and I said, no,
(03:25):
I've got a it was a different rape trawl. I've
got a rape trawl on money. I can't stay in
New York to try to put together called together a show.
I've got a trial calendar. And I left New York.
I was there giving a speech the next thing. You know,
my boss, mister Slayton, who was like a grandfather to me,
longest serving DA in the country. At that time, I
think it was thirty seven years Cheryl I announced he
(03:46):
was going to retire. That's the only time I ever
ever shed a tear in front of my boss. I
couldn't believe it. What was I going to do? Could
be a defense attor ain't no way? A court TV
back and said, Hey, I'll do it. And I moved
to New York with a shiff row, two shift row,
boxes of clothes, a curling iron, and three hundred dollars
(04:10):
because that's all I had. That is it. And that's
what happened. Hey, what could go wrong?
Speaker 3 (04:16):
What could go wrong?
Speaker 1 (04:17):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (04:18):
And I stayed there at court TV. I think it
was either eleven or twelve years, but the last two
or three years I was double dipping. I also worked
at HLN, which I loved. I love both of them,
and I only quit court TV when I got pregnant
and I just could not. I didn't think it was
wise to do two jobs. So it's always been kind
(04:40):
of a underdog situation always. Now we're launching a new network,
and I got to tell you, Cheryl, I really I
love the network. I love what it stands for. I
love the people there. It means a lot to me,
so thank you for that.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
Well, we're all behind you. I love it, I love
everything about it.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
Well you do know if you miss it at six pm,
six nine and twelve, you can get it for free
on your iPad at merit plus dot com. M I'm
better spell this for Cheryl McCollum ms and mother e
R I t p LUs dot com merrit plus dot com.
So there you go.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
Love it absolutely and for everybody listening. I can't spell,
so help me out. All right, listen, let's get back
to Corey Richins, because here's the deal for the people
that may have missed this somehow. She was a mother
that wrote a children's book about coping with grief after
her husband died, and then not too long after, she
(05:44):
was arrested for his murder.
Speaker 3 (05:47):
So if you.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
Start looking at their history, Nancy, they had a prenup.
They had assets that included a stonemasonry company, fort lifts, trucks,
dump trailers, all of high end equipment. She purchased four
life insurance policies. She opened bank accounts he didn't know
(06:09):
anything about. She used lines of credit for like two
hundred and fifty thousand dollars he didn't know anything about.
She withdrew one hundred thousand dollars from him, literally stole
from her husband.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
Apparently she was in him for three million dollars. That's
the quote I heard today. I just heard that quote
today and we are going to be delving into it
on Merit Street Media MSM tomorrow night. This is what
(06:41):
I learned today. Was speaking to investigators, and I spoke
to a family friend, well the family friend of the husband,
Eric Richards, And it's so much more than just a
money motive. And again, I don't know why everybody keeps
telling me this on Twitter. Yes, I know you're innocent
till proven guilty. There I said it. But this goes
(07:03):
way back. Cheryl a couple of years ago on Valentine's Day,
they were, I believe, on a vacation and she made
him a sandwich or got him a sandwich. He went
into anaphylactic shock. He almost died. He didn't even have
an EpiPen. Something went horribly wrong, and they he grabbed
(07:24):
his son's EPI pen and down to ball of benadryl
and as they put it, and he lived. And at
that time he told his friend Cheryl. And this brings
back a lot of bad memories for me, because I've
had women say this about their husbands and then they
end up dead. Particularly this piano teacher pat She reminded
(07:47):
me so much of my mother. She would tell her
friends if anything happens to me. He did it. Well, Okay,
she died anyway, he tells his friends at the time, Cheryl.
At the time, I think she tried to kill me,
and she's trying to get the money. And it's not
like they're multimillionaires. But he had a business he had
(08:09):
built up from scratch. They had a nice home. He
had a lot of his assets tied up in his business.
But that was a couple of years before he died. Well,
I don't know if it was that long. It preceded
his death. And there are techs that have arisen where
she is trying to score more fentanyl. He died five
(08:31):
times the lethal dose of fentanyl, and we believe that
it was administered to him. The medical examiner said it
was ingested. In other words, it wasn't shot into him
with a needle. It wasn't a patch a fentanyl patch.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
He ate it.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
We believe she gave him a moscow mule laced with fentanyl,
and in preparation for tomorrow night's show, also spoke with
a medical examiner and a toxicologist. They said, Cheryl, believe
it or not, that it looks like if you were
to shake assault shaker, say two times, that is five
(09:11):
times a lethal dose. And you know a moscow mule.
Do you remember my friend Dean Secoley. He was my
executive producer at HLM, absolutely and I love him, love him,
love him so much. I never knew what a moscow
mule was. And we were we were at the Jody
Areas trial and I was living out there. I had
(09:32):
the twins with me, and he said, we got to
go get a moscow mule. Oh, here's Lucy, hey, precious.
I'm all with miss Cheryl so and I said, he said,
you'll love it. It's made with ginger beer. I'm like, dang,
you know I do not drink. He says, ginger beer
is not beer. It it's made like fine, fine, fine.
(09:58):
He got us a moscow mule. It was delicious. It
was the wonderful. And if I was just drinking a woman,
I have ten right now. But I'm telling you it
was so tangy with the taste of ginger. There's no
way anybody would taste assault shaker, shake a sentinel in
a Moscow mule.
Speaker 3 (10:18):
And listen. I don't want it to be lost on
people either.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
The first attempt, allegedly was Valentine's Day and again, Nancy,
I know you. I used to watch you in court
and just absorb everything you did.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
And I apologize for everything or sat in court.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
No, no, you were so flawless and peerless. Listen, I
know what you would do with this case.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
If there was.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
A Valentine's Day card, let's talk about it. Let's put
it up on a big old billboard. Let's let the
jury look.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
They would have to pass it around and read it
themselves with their own hands and look at it. Even
would make me even remotely happy. Then I would have
to read it out loud with all my love, the
perfect husband. Where would you like me to bury you?
You're dead, You're no good to me anymore. Can I
have your money? But just I mean, he said to
(11:13):
the friend, I'm afraid she's trying. Now Here comes David. David.
Just for the record, David, shut up.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
Cheryl, shut up, don't.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
Do the weekly round up, and we're talking about a
woman that killed her husband in a Moscow meilt. See,
I told you not to drink alcohol anyway, right, he
doesn't like them anyway. Famous last words blood glug. So
I guess next thing, John David and the dog and
the cat are going to come through the grandmommy and
the granny sitter and everybody else. But Cheryl, the fact
(11:45):
that he told a friend I'm afraid, in all seriousness,
I'm afraid she's trying to kill me. Can I tell
you something else, Cheryl that really strikes a note, say
a good defense turn will have a field day with them.
Everything we've just talked about everything, Because it doesn't brave murder,
It doesn't. You can't go to your room with that.
(12:06):
You have to have definitive proof. What about this the
night Eric died, she says, I slept down the hall
in the room with one of my son. He has nightmares. Okay,
I don't find that unusual at all. She said, I
left my phone charging beside the bed in the master bedroom,
(12:31):
but the cell phone shows that she was texting and
texting in the deleting all the texts.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
Yes, yeah, you know.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
The last I don't even remember ever deleting texts. I
do not have time. I don't have time to delete
text or clean out my inbox. Are you kidding me?
Speaker 3 (12:50):
Exactly?
Speaker 2 (12:51):
I have well over ten thousand unread emails. Don't tell anybody,
and I just clean delete now. Oh no, uh uh.
So she was deleting texts and sending texts throughout the night,
So let's just go with that. She lied.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
Why and why in the world would you lie about
that if you're laying there next to your son so
he can fall asleep with nightmares and you're on your phone.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
Okay, here's something else. In a defense attorney which I'm
going to have Troy Slayton on about this, and of
course he is a great lawyer out of la never
lack of business, and I spoke to him briefly about
this and he goes, yeah, that's not enough. I'm like,
I agree with you, that's not enough. But let's keep going.
I thought it was a couple of weeks after Eric
(13:46):
died that she threw this big party. It wasn't. I
looked it up. It was the next day. She had
wanted Eric to pay for a big house, like two
or three million dollars house so she could flip it,
you know, within a month or two sell it for
a lot more money, and it would have made them
(14:07):
a lot of money. But he did not want to
extend that kind of resources. He didn't want to do it.
So he's dead. She did the flip and then had
a celebration party with like sixty people. I've been told
I've got to confirm the number of people champagne celebrating
music the day after. You know, I got to look
(14:28):
this up again, even I can't believe my own eye,
and I looked it up already the day after he dies.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
Keep in mind, she's got three children to comfort and
to care for and to try to explain what in
the world is going this the day after.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
If people can be believed, and I have no reason
to doubt, then woman who wrote children's book on grief
through a party the day after allegedly murdering husband. Yes,
I remember correctly, the day after. And see, I'm projecting, Cheryl.
And that's not what you can do in front of
a jury. You cannot project your own feelings in front
of a jury. But I am projecting right now with
(15:07):
you because I remember when my fiancee Keith was murdered.
I remember, oh my goodness, in recent history, when my
dad passed away, Cheryl. I'd be up till four or
five o'clock in the morning trying to figure out where's
my dad and watching video after video after a video
(15:28):
of people that had died and been brought back to life,
like what did they see? What did they experience? All that?
And she's throwing a party, I mean a big party, Cheryl.
Speaker 3 (15:41):
Now, Nancy, you and I both have thrown big parties.
So let me just tell you.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
If she threw the party the next day, that ain't
when she planned it. So you're talking about, if you
back this thing up, when does she order the food?
When did she get the tables together, When did she
get the linens, When did she plan the menu?
Speaker 3 (15:59):
When did she send the invitations?
Speaker 1 (16:01):
I'm curious about that because she knew when she was
going to serve him the Moscow mule exactly.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
And uh, he was dead from he died from od
A fentanyl. Okay, this is the next bombshell. If you're
sitting down, you may need to lay down. Hey, son,
I told you and the dog I'm on with miss Cheryl.
We're talking about a murder case. I'll be right there. Okay,
Now it's been brought up in court that her mother
(16:30):
may have helped her. What yeah, Okay, finally, finally, you know,
the Valentine's Day attempt wasn't enough to get a reaction
out of you. The salt shaker wasn't enough, The Valentine's
card not enough, the party wasn't enough. But finally I
finally get a rise out of you. Good lord, woman,
you have you have had way too many, way too
(16:51):
many on the side cases. If that's finally, I'm not
saying the mother was involved. I'm not saying the mother
was not involved. But it was brought up in court
documents that Corey Richins's mother was involved with a woman
romantically and the woman had, okay, this is what we're told,
(17:13):
had no history of addiction or recovery, none of that.
And she died suddenly and unexpectedly from an overdose of
oxy And Corey Richins's mother was a beneficiary. And now
Corey Richards's husband dies an overdose and she thought she
(17:36):
was a beneficiary unbeknownst to her or her husband got
so suspicious she was trying to kill him. He changed,
he changed all of his beneficiaries. So okay, now wait wait, wait, wait,
that's still not enough. That's not enough on the mom.
There's something else, Cheryl rollover.
Speaker 3 (17:53):
Okay, I gotta get a cool rag on my head.
Go ahead.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
Okay, wait a minute. Now they're saying that Corey Richards
wrote a six page they as in the prosecutors, Corey
Richards wrote a six page letter for her mother to
show to her brother, Corey Richard's brother, and in it
(18:19):
she told them what to say, that her husband Eric
had gotten the fentinel from some ranch workers in Mexico
and he was drinking and partying and doing drugs. And
she said, show this to him in person. Don't talk
about it. I think the house is bugged, essentially supporting perjury.
(18:43):
Now is that enough to prove the mother's involved? No,
it's not. There has to be something more concrete, like
an eyewitness, emails, texts over her conversations involvement. That's not enough,
right there, it has been raised.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
And here's the thing. When you start looking at some
of these cases, it's a short walk sometimes to other
people and you start saying, okay, we can put Corey
with the person that she bought the ventanyl from because
that person has come forward and she not only bought
one transaction worth nine hundred dollars, she did it a
(19:21):
second time. And this person has been very clear about
what transpired. And like you said, her husband, he said, hey,
I'm going to take her off my life insurance and
it needs to go to the kids. And then she
forged some stuff to become the beneficiary. Again, she had
some fraudulent power of attorney. If all of this is true,
(19:42):
you are looking at oh my gosh, Nancy, just this
collusion and premeditation, pre and post behavior that shows perhaps
multiple people are now going to be involved, and not
just the homicide but the cover up.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
And again, let me be clear, I am not stating
Corey Richins's mother was involved in Eric Richards's death his murder.
I am saying that Corey Richins sent this letter to
her mother, suborning perjury and trying to get the mom
(20:20):
to get the brother to lie. And there is a
suspicious circumstance of her love object, her partner dying unexpectedly
I'm a drug overdose, and the mom was the beneficiary.
Now does that make a murder case? No, it does not,
but it is enough to get my attention.
Speaker 3 (20:41):
Well, let me tell you something else.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
If you and I can stop you.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
And I may come over because I don't want to
be the only one not walking through that room.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
Well, the dog just jumped on the sofa, which he's
not supposed to do, and I don't even care. That's
where I'm at right now. Just lay on it, go.
Speaker 3 (20:59):
Ahead, have a good time.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
It again.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
If you and I were working this together, I can
see you taking parts of her book and making sure
the jury doesn't miss some things. And I'm just going
to start with the title. The title of the book
that she wrote about grief says, are you with me?
Speaker 3 (21:20):
Now?
Speaker 1 (21:21):
To me, that could be taken one of two ways.
You're asking, you know, Dad, are you with me? Are
you here?
Speaker 3 (21:27):
But to me, that's one of those things.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
Hey, Nancy, We're going to leave tonight at nine point
thirty and go get some moscow muse?
Speaker 2 (21:33):
Are you with me?
Speaker 1 (21:34):
And I'm asking you are you down for whatever I'm
up to? That kind of caught my attention that, of
all things to name this, you named it something that
could be misconstrued to mean something else. So, like OJ Simpson,
if I did it, you know what I mean. So
it kind of bugged me. And then there's other things
(21:55):
that I could not.
Speaker 3 (21:55):
Get out of my head.
Speaker 1 (21:57):
And as a prosecutor and a prosecute's mind, I just
want to read you a couple of things that I
want you to give me your kind of feeling that
if you see that this book is not necessarily about grief,
but in some ways, to me my personal opinion, she's
got some things in here that has nothing to do
(22:18):
with grief, and certainly nothing that her sons would have
ever said. For example, one of the things she says
in the book, are you here on my birthday? Are
you here when I blow up my candles? And to
watch me make mistakes? Nancy, you've lost a parent. I
don't believe in my heart you have ever said. Man,
(22:39):
I hope Dad is up there watching me on my
birthday and watching me with the twins and watching me
make mistakes. That's not what you want for him to
be doing. That's not what you would want him to
see of you. So I don't think that's true my
personal opinion. Second thing, I'm scared and nervous and have
butterflies in my stomach.
Speaker 3 (22:58):
Well, that ain't a comfort.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
This book is supposed to be helping children with grief.
That's an awful thing to say. And she goes on
to say one more thing. My heart is empty. You've
lost a parent. I've lost both of mine. You know
that I was young. My heart was never empty. In
some ways. My heart was even filled with stories and
(23:25):
accolades and comments from friends and co workers and other
family members and people that my parents, you know, had
touched in some way. They told me things I never
knew about my parents, So I was even prouder of them.
I was even more grateful to be connected to them.
But for my heart to be empty, I'm going to
(23:45):
tell you something. If I was a prosecutor, I would
put that up in front of God and country, and
I would tell her that statement.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
I believe some of that I agree with, especially the
last part regarding her heart being it's got to be empty,
because how could you do that to your children. If
you don't love your husband, fine, break up, But to
do that to your children, to take away their father.
(24:14):
I mean, you know, do you know? David and I
never argued until we had children. Once we got children,
we argue a lot about should Lucy do that? Should
Lucy do that? David always wants to take away their
phone or their car keys. Okay, no, let's don't hit
the nuclear button yet. Okay, just wait a minute. It's
(24:38):
just nobody would ever believe I'm the pushover with the children.
That said, we have never argued until we have the
children about how to raise them. But I know this,
they would be devastated if they didn't have their father.
They love him so much. And the fact that empty,
(25:01):
heart empty, that could be the whole theme of my
closing argument, right there, heart empty when you think of
nothing but yourself. I could see that, and of course
I would have it blown up in a massive display
which I would walk around and around and around. You know,
nothing made me happier than if I made a demonstrative
(25:21):
piece of evidence, or any piece of evidence.
Speaker 3 (25:24):
Can I tell everybody about the grocery site?
Speaker 2 (25:26):
Yes, but wait a minute, and I would put up
the evidence with one of the first witnesses and hope
the defense would be so cavalier that they would leave
it up the whole trial.
Speaker 3 (25:40):
They would be.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
Really get a good look at it.
Speaker 3 (25:46):
This was the most brilliant thing I've ever witnessed. In
my life.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
So here she was at trial, and the defense had
a pretty good chance of getting the jury's attention. So
Nancy is at the prosecution table. It's her investigator to
come in, and he's got a pretty good sized grocery sack,
the old brown sacks, and he whispers in her ear
and he hands it to her and puts it on
the prosecution table, and Nancy doesn't do anything.
Speaker 3 (26:12):
She just sits there a minute. A few minutes goes by.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
She takes that sack and she puts it down beside
her on the floor, next to her chair. Never opens it,
never looks in it, never talks about it. The jury's
watching that sack, baby, like, what in the world is
in that thing? A few minutes go by, she'll pick
it up, she'll put it back on the table. Never
opens it, never looks at it, never talks about it.
And then she might slide it to one side of
(26:36):
the table so she can make notes, so she can
move her legal pado. Tell him what happened at the end, Oh,
you go ahead. She never wants opened the bag, talked
about it, showed him anything, stuck her hand in it.
Speaker 3 (26:49):
Nothing.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
All they could do every single day hour by hour
is watched that bag. At the end of it, they
voted guilty.
Speaker 2 (26:59):
Do you know it was in the bag?
Speaker 3 (27:01):
No? I never knew what was in the bag. I
can't believe.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
I never asked you think, think, think ee use that
noodle a brown paper bag from the crime lap And
it was evidence I couldn't use or that I wasn't
going to use. And it sat there and sat there
and sat there, and I couldn't decide what I wanted
to do with it because it was neither here nor there,
(27:25):
and I kept it. It was crime scene evidence of nothing.
I don't even remember what the evidence was anymore. But
it was something that somebody found somewhere and was completely
unrelated to the case. That's what it was.
Speaker 3 (27:37):
Freaking genius, you know.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
I remember one time when I was getting so irritated
with the defense, I finally couldn't take it anymore, and
I took my watch off and I in court and
I got to writing pins and I laid the watch
on the table. Wait was it a watch or a necklace?
It was a watch. And I fiddled with the watch
trying to fix it while I was listening to their
cross exam, which was not hurting me at all. It was.
Speaker 3 (28:00):
It was like they were.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
Reading isn't it true? Bah blah blah, and it didn't
even matter what the witness said. They go and isn't
it true? Blah blah blah. And I would look it
up every once in a while and go, Okay, go ahead.
I think they wanted to fix my watches as much
as I did. They were not paying the attention at all.
But this was a good one. I love to make
(28:23):
posters titled evidence Proving guilt, and every time I would
hear something else in corn, the went, oh, that's incriminating.
I would go over to the poster and write on
there with one of those matchup markers. One of my
favorite things to do during his trial.
Speaker 3 (28:44):
Lord, i'm having flashbacks, I know.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
Isn't it great?
Speaker 3 (28:47):
Yes, we had such a great time. I'll tell you
the truth.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
Well, it's not over yet, Cheryl McCollum, It is not
over yet, right.
Speaker 3 (28:54):
On, listen.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
I'm glad you were able to wrangle that cat like
the cowgirl you are.
Speaker 3 (29:00):
I'm super cat.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
Have you ever tried to make a cat do anything?
If I want the dart to do anything, I just
throw a milk bone in that direction. Off he goes
the cat. She's like, are you kidding me? Forget I'd
rather starve than do what you want me to do.
Speaker 3 (29:19):
Today, your workout in and the animals.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
Everybody's all secure and everybody's there, the whole family.
Speaker 3 (29:25):
So gratitude. Just be grateful. We're all good. But I
appreciate you so much.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
Hey, Cheryl, thank you. And I cannot wait for the
Corey Richards trial to start, for the Coburger trial to start.
We've got a lot to look forward to, Cheryl.
Speaker 3 (29:41):
No doubt.
Speaker 1 (29:42):
By Buddy, my honey, I'm Cheryl McCollum and this is
the Crime Round Up with zones Heaven, no
Welcome to the crime Round up, y'all, and cow girl up.
I know Nancy Grace is ready tonight because she's been
roping cat y'all.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Yes, yes, I've been roping a cat literally today Cinnamon
went to the vet. It's just really a long story.
But I was training without a car and was literally
running back to the studio to get to you on time,
Cheryl McCollum, I must love you a lot, literally running
and I called Cheryl by the way en route of
(00:40):
the run, trying to get back in time so she
could hear lawnmowers and dogs barking in me trying to
breathe going up a hill. That said, I've been thinking
about it a long time, and I named Corey Richins
Moscow mule mom.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
M h listen before we get to her, I want
to say something to you.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
And I gave a chance to catch your breath.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
I can just fine go ahead, you know.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
With your New Merritt Street TV venture. It dawned on me,
I guess a day or so ago. I was driving
and I thought, you know what, I can remember when
you left the DA's office and you had told all
of us that you were headed to New York City
and you were going to be on this, you know,
cable show, which I didn't even really understand what cable
(01:28):
TV was. And I even remember your daddy Mac he
didn't have it either, and me and Walt were too
poor to have it. I think your dad was too
far out in the country to have it. And here
you're doing this awesome venture and we can't even watch you.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
But it dawned on me, Nancy, that you have such guts.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
And I don't think I've ever put two and two together,
because when you, you know, strike out on this type
of endeavor and your very own name on it, that
is just brave.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
And I just wanted to tell you.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
I am just so proud of you and impressed by
what you have done all these years. So I just
wanted to tell you that and remind people to go
to Merritt Street TV and watch the incredible groundbreaking work
you're doing.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
I never thought of it like that. I'm almost speechless,
not completely speech but almost speechless with what you said,
and I'm thinking about, Yeah, I didn't really know what
court TV was when I joined it. To os Cochran
and Grace, I did know this. They covered Court TV
covered a big murder trial. I had a millionaire murdered
(02:40):
his wife and then tried to cover it up with Arson.
And then they wanted to cover a serial rape case,
and I kicked him out of the courtroom. And then
I told the victim's look, I should tell you court
TV wanted to cover this, but I knew you did
not want to be on camera. And then w what
we didn't do any thing wrong? He did it. I'm like, okay,
(03:03):
So forty V came back and covered a serial rape case, prosecuted.
And then what happened Cheryl. It's the strangest thing. Well,
it's a miracle, that's what it is. It's not strange,
it's a miracle. Courty Vid wanted me to start a
show Cochrane and Grace with Johnny Cochran, and I said, no,
(03:25):
I've got a it was a different rape trawl. I've
got a rape trawl on money. I can't stay in
New York to try to put together called together a show.
I've got a trial calendar. And I left New York.
I was there giving a speech the next thing. You know,
my boss, mister Slayton, who was like a grandfather to me,
longest serving DA in the country. At that time, I
think it was thirty seven years Cheryl I announced he
(03:46):
was going to retire. That's the only time I ever
ever shed a tear in front of my boss. I
couldn't believe it. What was I going to do? Could
be a defense attor ain't no way? A court TV
back and said, Hey, I'll do it. And I moved
to New York with a shiff row, two shift row,
boxes of clothes, a curling iron, and three hundred dollars
(04:10):
because that's all I had. That is it. And that's
what happened. Hey, what could go wrong?
Speaker 3 (04:16):
What could go wrong?
Speaker 1 (04:17):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (04:18):
And I stayed there at court TV. I think it
was either eleven or twelve years, but the last two
or three years I was double dipping. I also worked
at HLN, which I loved. I love both of them,
and I only quit court TV when I got pregnant
and I just could not. I didn't think it was
wise to do two jobs. So it's always been kind
(04:40):
of a underdog situation always. Now we're launching a new network,
and I got to tell you, Cheryl, I really I
love the network. I love what it stands for. I
love the people there. It means a lot to me,
so thank you for that.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
Well, we're all behind you. I love it, I love
everything about it.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
Well you do know if you miss it at six pm,
six nine and twelve, you can get it for free
on your iPad at merit plus dot com. M I'm
better spell this for Cheryl McCollum ms and mother e
R I t p LUs dot com merrit plus dot com.
So there you go.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
Love it absolutely and for everybody listening. I can't spell,
so help me out. All right, listen, let's get back
to Corey Richins, because here's the deal for the people
that may have missed this somehow. She was a mother
that wrote a children's book about coping with grief after
her husband died, and then not too long after, she
(05:44):
was arrested for his murder.
Speaker 3 (05:47):
So if you.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
Start looking at their history, Nancy, they had a prenup.
They had assets that included a stonemasonry company, fort lifts, trucks,
dump trailers, all of high end equipment. She purchased four
life insurance policies. She opened bank accounts he didn't know
(06:09):
anything about. She used lines of credit for like two
hundred and fifty thousand dollars he didn't know anything about.
She withdrew one hundred thousand dollars from him, literally stole
from her husband.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
Apparently she was in him for three million dollars. That's
the quote I heard today. I just heard that quote
today and we are going to be delving into it
on Merit Street Media MSM tomorrow night. This is what
(06:41):
I learned today. Was speaking to investigators, and I spoke
to a family friend, well the family friend of the husband,
Eric Richards, And it's so much more than just a
money motive. And again, I don't know why everybody keeps
telling me this on Twitter. Yes, I know you're innocent
till proven guilty. There I said it. But this goes
(07:03):
way back. Cheryl a couple of years ago on Valentine's Day,
they were, I believe, on a vacation and she made
him a sandwich or got him a sandwich. He went
into anaphylactic shock. He almost died. He didn't even have
an EpiPen. Something went horribly wrong, and they he grabbed
(07:24):
his son's EPI pen and down to ball of benadryl
and as they put it, and he lived. And at
that time he told his friend Cheryl. And this brings
back a lot of bad memories for me, because I've
had women say this about their husbands and then they
end up dead. Particularly this piano teacher pat She reminded
(07:47):
me so much of my mother. She would tell her
friends if anything happens to me. He did it. Well, Okay,
she died anyway, he tells his friends at the time, Cheryl.
At the time, I think she tried to kill me,
and she's trying to get the money. And it's not
like they're multimillionaires. But he had a business he had
(08:09):
built up from scratch. They had a nice home. He
had a lot of his assets tied up in his business.
But that was a couple of years before he died. Well,
I don't know if it was that long. It preceded
his death. And there are techs that have arisen where
she is trying to score more fentanyl. He died five
(08:31):
times the lethal dose of fentanyl, and we believe that
it was administered to him. The medical examiner said it
was ingested. In other words, it wasn't shot into him
with a needle. It wasn't a patch a fentanyl patch.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
He ate it.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
We believe she gave him a moscow mule laced with fentanyl,
and in preparation for tomorrow night's show, also spoke with
a medical examiner and a toxicologist. They said, Cheryl, believe
it or not, that it looks like if you were
to shake assault shaker, say two times, that is five
(09:11):
times a lethal dose. And you know a moscow mule.
Do you remember my friend Dean Secoley. He was my
executive producer at HLM, absolutely and I love him, love him,
love him so much. I never knew what a moscow
mule was. And we were we were at the Jody
Areas trial and I was living out there. I had
(09:32):
the twins with me, and he said, we got to
go get a moscow mule. Oh, here's Lucy, hey, precious.
I'm all with miss Cheryl so and I said, he said,
you'll love it. It's made with ginger beer. I'm like, dang,
you know I do not drink. He says, ginger beer
is not beer. It it's made like fine, fine, fine.
(09:58):
He got us a moscow mule. It was delicious. It
was the wonderful. And if I was just drinking a woman,
I have ten right now. But I'm telling you it
was so tangy with the taste of ginger. There's no
way anybody would taste assault shaker, shake a sentinel in
a Moscow mule.
Speaker 3 (10:18):
And listen. I don't want it to be lost on
people either.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
The first attempt, allegedly was Valentine's Day and again, Nancy,
I know you. I used to watch you in court
and just absorb everything you did.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
And I apologize for everything or sat in court.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
No, no, you were so flawless and peerless. Listen, I
know what you would do with this case.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
If there was.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
A Valentine's Day card, let's talk about it. Let's put
it up on a big old billboard. Let's let the
jury look.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
They would have to pass it around and read it
themselves with their own hands and look at it. Even
would make me even remotely happy. Then I would have
to read it out loud with all my love, the
perfect husband. Where would you like me to bury you?
You're dead, You're no good to me anymore. Can I
have your money? But just I mean, he said to
(11:13):
the friend, I'm afraid she's trying. Now Here comes David. David.
Just for the record, David, shut up.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
Cheryl, shut up, don't.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
Do the weekly round up, and we're talking about a
woman that killed her husband in a Moscow meilt. See,
I told you not to drink alcohol anyway, right, he
doesn't like them anyway. Famous last words blood glug. So
I guess next thing, John David and the dog and
the cat are going to come through the grandmommy and
the granny sitter and everybody else. But Cheryl, the fact
(11:45):
that he told a friend I'm afraid, in all seriousness,
I'm afraid she's trying to kill me. Can I tell
you something else, Cheryl that really strikes a note, say
a good defense turn will have a field day with them.
Everything we've just talked about everything, Because it doesn't brave murder,
It doesn't. You can't go to your room with that.
(12:06):
You have to have definitive proof. What about this the
night Eric died, she says, I slept down the hall
in the room with one of my son. He has nightmares. Okay,
I don't find that unusual at all. She said, I
left my phone charging beside the bed in the master bedroom,
(12:31):
but the cell phone shows that she was texting and
texting in the deleting all the texts.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
Yes, yeah, you know.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
The last I don't even remember ever deleting texts. I
do not have time. I don't have time to delete
text or clean out my inbox. Are you kidding me?
Speaker 3 (12:50):
Exactly?
Speaker 2 (12:51):
I have well over ten thousand unread emails. Don't tell anybody,
and I just clean delete now. Oh no, uh uh.
So she was deleting texts and sending texts throughout the night,
So let's just go with that. She lied.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
Why and why in the world would you lie about
that if you're laying there next to your son so
he can fall asleep with nightmares and you're on your phone.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
Okay, here's something else. In a defense attorney which I'm
going to have Troy Slayton on about this, and of
course he is a great lawyer out of la never
lack of business, and I spoke to him briefly about
this and he goes, yeah, that's not enough. I'm like,
I agree with you, that's not enough. But let's keep going.
I thought it was a couple of weeks after Eric
(13:46):
died that she threw this big party. It wasn't. I
looked it up. It was the next day. She had
wanted Eric to pay for a big house, like two
or three million dollars house so she could flip it,
you know, within a month or two sell it for
a lot more money, and it would have made them
(14:07):
a lot of money. But he did not want to
extend that kind of resources. He didn't want to do it.
So he's dead. She did the flip and then had
a celebration party with like sixty people. I've been told
I've got to confirm the number of people champagne celebrating
music the day after. You know, I got to look
(14:28):
this up again, even I can't believe my own eye,
and I looked it up already the day after he dies.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
Keep in mind, she's got three children to comfort and
to care for and to try to explain what in
the world is going this the day after.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
If people can be believed, and I have no reason
to doubt, then woman who wrote children's book on grief
through a party the day after allegedly murdering husband. Yes,
I remember correctly, the day after. And see, I'm projecting, Cheryl.
And that's not what you can do in front of
a jury. You cannot project your own feelings in front
of a jury. But I am projecting right now with
(15:07):
you because I remember when my fiancee Keith was murdered.
I remember, oh my goodness, in recent history, when my
dad passed away, Cheryl. I'd be up till four or
five o'clock in the morning trying to figure out where's
my dad and watching video after video after a video
(15:28):
of people that had died and been brought back to life,
like what did they see? What did they experience? All that?
And she's throwing a party, I mean a big party, Cheryl.
Speaker 3 (15:41):
Now, Nancy, you and I both have thrown big parties.
So let me just tell you.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
If she threw the party the next day, that ain't
when she planned it. So you're talking about, if you
back this thing up, when does she order the food?
When did she get the tables together, When did she
get the linens, When did she plan the menu?
Speaker 3 (15:59):
When did she send the invitations?
Speaker 1 (16:01):
I'm curious about that because she knew when she was
going to serve him the Moscow mule exactly.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
And uh, he was dead from he died from od
A fentanyl. Okay, this is the next bombshell. If you're
sitting down, you may need to lay down. Hey, son,
I told you and the dog I'm on with miss Cheryl.
We're talking about a murder case. I'll be right there. Okay,
Now it's been brought up in court that her mother
(16:30):
may have helped her. What yeah, Okay, finally, finally, you know,
the Valentine's Day attempt wasn't enough to get a reaction
out of you. The salt shaker wasn't enough, The Valentine's
card not enough, the party wasn't enough. But finally I
finally get a rise out of you. Good lord, woman,
you have you have had way too many, way too
(16:51):
many on the side cases. If that's finally, I'm not
saying the mother was involved. I'm not saying the mother
was not involved. But it was brought up in court
documents that Corey Richins's mother was involved with a woman
romantically and the woman had, okay, this is what we're told,
(17:13):
had no history of addiction or recovery, none of that.
And she died suddenly and unexpectedly from an overdose of
oxy And Corey Richins's mother was a beneficiary. And now
Corey Richards's husband dies an overdose and she thought she
(17:36):
was a beneficiary unbeknownst to her or her husband got
so suspicious she was trying to kill him. He changed,
he changed all of his beneficiaries. So okay, now wait wait, wait, wait,
that's still not enough. That's not enough on the mom.
There's something else, Cheryl rollover.
Speaker 3 (17:53):
Okay, I gotta get a cool rag on my head.
Go ahead.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
Okay, wait a minute. Now they're saying that Corey Richards
wrote a six page they as in the prosecutors, Corey
Richards wrote a six page letter for her mother to
show to her brother, Corey Richard's brother, and in it
(18:19):
she told them what to say, that her husband Eric
had gotten the fentinel from some ranch workers in Mexico
and he was drinking and partying and doing drugs. And
she said, show this to him in person. Don't talk
about it. I think the house is bugged, essentially supporting perjury.
(18:43):
Now is that enough to prove the mother's involved? No,
it's not. There has to be something more concrete, like
an eyewitness, emails, texts over her conversations involvement. That's not enough,
right there, it has been raised.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
And here's the thing. When you start looking at some
of these cases, it's a short walk sometimes to other
people and you start saying, okay, we can put Corey
with the person that she bought the ventanyl from because
that person has come forward and she not only bought
one transaction worth nine hundred dollars, she did it a
(19:21):
second time. And this person has been very clear about
what transpired. And like you said, her husband, he said, hey,
I'm going to take her off my life insurance and
it needs to go to the kids. And then she
forged some stuff to become the beneficiary. Again, she had
some fraudulent power of attorney. If all of this is true,
(19:42):
you are looking at oh my gosh, Nancy, just this
collusion and premeditation, pre and post behavior that shows perhaps
multiple people are now going to be involved, and not
just the homicide but the cover up.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
And again, let me be clear, I am not stating
Corey Richins's mother was involved in Eric Richards's death his murder.
I am saying that Corey Richins sent this letter to
her mother, suborning perjury and trying to get the mom
(20:20):
to get the brother to lie. And there is a
suspicious circumstance of her love object, her partner dying unexpectedly
I'm a drug overdose, and the mom was the beneficiary.
Now does that make a murder case? No, it does not,
but it is enough to get my attention.
Speaker 3 (20:41):
Well, let me tell you something else.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
If you and I can stop you.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
And I may come over because I don't want to
be the only one not walking through that room.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
Well, the dog just jumped on the sofa, which he's
not supposed to do, and I don't even care. That's
where I'm at right now. Just lay on it, go.
Speaker 3 (20:59):
Ahead, have a good time.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
It again.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
If you and I were working this together, I can
see you taking parts of her book and making sure
the jury doesn't miss some things. And I'm just going
to start with the title. The title of the book
that she wrote about grief says, are you with me?
Speaker 3 (21:20):
Now?
Speaker 1 (21:21):
To me, that could be taken one of two ways.
You're asking, you know, Dad, are you with me? Are
you here?
Speaker 3 (21:27):
But to me, that's one of those things.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
Hey, Nancy, We're going to leave tonight at nine point
thirty and go get some moscow muse?
Speaker 2 (21:33):
Are you with me?
Speaker 1 (21:34):
And I'm asking you are you down for whatever I'm
up to? That kind of caught my attention that, of
all things to name this, you named it something that
could be misconstrued to mean something else. So, like OJ Simpson,
if I did it, you know what I mean. So
it kind of bugged me. And then there's other things
(21:55):
that I could not.
Speaker 3 (21:55):
Get out of my head.
Speaker 1 (21:57):
And as a prosecutor and a prosecute's mind, I just
want to read you a couple of things that I
want you to give me your kind of feeling that
if you see that this book is not necessarily about grief,
but in some ways, to me my personal opinion, she's
got some things in here that has nothing to do
(22:18):
with grief, and certainly nothing that her sons would have
ever said. For example, one of the things she says
in the book, are you here on my birthday? Are
you here when I blow up my candles? And to
watch me make mistakes? Nancy, you've lost a parent. I
don't believe in my heart you have ever said. Man,
(22:39):
I hope Dad is up there watching me on my
birthday and watching me with the twins and watching me
make mistakes. That's not what you want for him to
be doing. That's not what you would want him to
see of you. So I don't think that's true my
personal opinion. Second thing, I'm scared and nervous and have
butterflies in my stomach.
Speaker 3 (22:58):
Well, that ain't a comfort.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
This book is supposed to be helping children with grief.
That's an awful thing to say. And she goes on
to say one more thing. My heart is empty. You've
lost a parent. I've lost both of mine. You know
that I was young. My heart was never empty. In
some ways. My heart was even filled with stories and
(23:25):
accolades and comments from friends and co workers and other
family members and people that my parents, you know, had
touched in some way. They told me things I never
knew about my parents, So I was even prouder of them.
I was even more grateful to be connected to them.
But for my heart to be empty, I'm going to
(23:45):
tell you something. If I was a prosecutor, I would
put that up in front of God and country, and
I would tell her that statement.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
I believe some of that I agree with, especially the
last part regarding her heart being it's got to be empty,
because how could you do that to your children. If
you don't love your husband, fine, break up, But to
do that to your children, to take away their father.
(24:14):
I mean, you know, do you know? David and I
never argued until we had children. Once we got children,
we argue a lot about should Lucy do that? Should
Lucy do that? David always wants to take away their
phone or their car keys. Okay, no, let's don't hit
the nuclear button yet. Okay, just wait a minute. It's
(24:38):
just nobody would ever believe I'm the pushover with the children.
That said, we have never argued until we have the
children about how to raise them. But I know this,
they would be devastated if they didn't have their father.
They love him so much. And the fact that empty,
(25:01):
heart empty, that could be the whole theme of my
closing argument, right there, heart empty when you think of
nothing but yourself. I could see that, and of course
I would have it blown up in a massive display
which I would walk around and around and around. You know,
nothing made me happier than if I made a demonstrative
(25:21):
piece of evidence, or any piece of evidence.
Speaker 3 (25:24):
Can I tell everybody about the grocery site?
Speaker 2 (25:26):
Yes, but wait a minute, and I would put up
the evidence with one of the first witnesses and hope
the defense would be so cavalier that they would leave
it up the whole trial.
Speaker 3 (25:40):
They would be.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
Really get a good look at it.
Speaker 3 (25:46):
This was the most brilliant thing I've ever witnessed. In
my life.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
So here she was at trial, and the defense had
a pretty good chance of getting the jury's attention. So
Nancy is at the prosecution table. It's her investigator to
come in, and he's got a pretty good sized grocery sack,
the old brown sacks, and he whispers in her ear
and he hands it to her and puts it on
the prosecution table, and Nancy doesn't do anything.
Speaker 3 (26:12):
She just sits there a minute. A few minutes goes by.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
She takes that sack and she puts it down beside
her on the floor, next to her chair. Never opens it,
never looks in it, never talks about it. The jury's
watching that sack, baby, like, what in the world is
in that thing? A few minutes go by, she'll pick
it up, she'll put it back on the table. Never
opens it, never looks at it, never talks about it.
And then she might slide it to one side of
(26:36):
the table so she can make notes, so she can
move her legal pado. Tell him what happened at the end, Oh,
you go ahead. She never wants opened the bag, talked
about it, showed him anything, stuck her hand in it.
Speaker 3 (26:49):
Nothing.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
All they could do every single day hour by hour
is watched that bag. At the end of it, they
voted guilty.
Speaker 2 (26:59):
Do you know it was in the bag?
Speaker 3 (27:01):
No? I never knew what was in the bag. I
can't believe.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
I never asked you think, think, think ee use that
noodle a brown paper bag from the crime lap And
it was evidence I couldn't use or that I wasn't
going to use. And it sat there and sat there
and sat there, and I couldn't decide what I wanted
to do with it because it was neither here nor there,
(27:25):
and I kept it. It was crime scene evidence of nothing.
I don't even remember what the evidence was anymore. But
it was something that somebody found somewhere and was completely
unrelated to the case. That's what it was.
Speaker 3 (27:37):
Freaking genius, you know.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
I remember one time when I was getting so irritated
with the defense, I finally couldn't take it anymore, and
I took my watch off and I in court and
I got to writing pins and I laid the watch
on the table. Wait was it a watch or a necklace?
It was a watch. And I fiddled with the watch
trying to fix it while I was listening to their
cross exam, which was not hurting me at all. It was.
Speaker 3 (28:00):
It was like they were.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
Reading isn't it true? Bah blah blah, and it didn't
even matter what the witness said. They go and isn't
it true? Blah blah blah. And I would look it
up every once in a while and go, Okay, go ahead.
I think they wanted to fix my watches as much
as I did. They were not paying the attention at all.
But this was a good one. I love to make
(28:23):
posters titled evidence Proving guilt, and every time I would
hear something else in corn, the went, oh, that's incriminating.
I would go over to the poster and write on
there with one of those matchup markers. One of my
favorite things to do during his trial.
Speaker 3 (28:44):
Lord, i'm having flashbacks, I know.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
Isn't it great?
Speaker 3 (28:47):
Yes, we had such a great time. I'll tell you
the truth.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
Well, it's not over yet, Cheryl McCollum, It is not
over yet, right.
Speaker 3 (28:54):
On, listen.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
I'm glad you were able to wrangle that cat like
the cowgirl you are.
Speaker 3 (29:00):
I'm super cat.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
Have you ever tried to make a cat do anything?
If I want the dart to do anything, I just
throw a milk bone in that direction. Off he goes
the cat. She's like, are you kidding me? Forget I'd
rather starve than do what you want me to do.
Speaker 3 (29:19):
Today, your workout in and the animals.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
Everybody's all secure and everybody's there, the whole family.
Speaker 3 (29:25):
So gratitude. Just be grateful. We're all good. But I
appreciate you so much.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
Hey, Cheryl, thank you. And I cannot wait for the
Corey Richards trial to start, for the Coburger trial to start.
We've got a lot to look forward to, Cheryl.
Speaker 3 (29:41):
No doubt.
Speaker 1 (29:42):
By Buddy, my honey, I'm Cheryl McCollum and this is
the Crime Round Up with zones Heaven, no
Host
Sheryl McCollum
Popular Podcasts
The Breakfast Club
The World's Most Dangerous Morning Show, The Breakfast Club, With DJ Envy And Charlamagne Tha God!
Dateline NBC
Current and classic episodes, featuring compelling true-crime mysteries, powerful documentaries and in-depth investigations. Follow now to get the latest episodes of Dateline NBC completely free, or subscribe to Dateline Premium for ad-free listening and exclusive bonus content: DatelinePremium.com
Decisions, Decisions
Welcome to "Decisions, Decisions," the podcast where boundaries are pushed, and conversations get candid! Join your favorite hosts, Mandii B and WeezyWTF, as they dive deep into the world of non-traditional relationships and explore the often-taboo topics surrounding dating, sex, and love. Every Monday, Mandii and Weezy invite you to unlearn the outdated narratives dictated by traditional patriarchal norms. With a blend of humor, vulnerability, and authenticity, they share their personal journeys navigating their 30s, tackling the complexities of modern relationships, and engaging in thought-provoking discussions that challenge societal expectations. From groundbreaking interviews with diverse guests to relatable stories that resonate with your experiences, "Decisions, Decisions" is your go-to source for open dialogue about what it truly means to love and connect in today's world. Get ready to reshape your understanding of relationships and embrace the freedom of authentic connections—tune in and join the conversation!