August 23, 2024 • 33 mins
Today Nancy and Sheryl dive into the notorious Scott Peterson case, revisiting key evidence and discussing the ongoing debates around his guilt. They explore the emotional toll on the families involved, the role of media in high-profile cases, and the significant impact of Amber Frye's involvement. Nancy and Sheryl end by touching base on the implications of potential new trial for Alex Murdaugh who was convicted in the murder of his wife and son, and the theft of millions of dollars from clients.
Show Notes:
- (0:00) Welcome! Nancy and Sheryl introduce this week’s crime roundup
- (0:25) Today’s topic is the latest on Scott Peterson
- (1:35) “Scott Peterson wants to speak out? Really? Shouldn't he have done that at trial?”
- (2:30) Revisiting the Scott Peterson case
- (4:00) The Importance of December 9th - Sheryl's Analysis
- (8:30) Reflection on Amber Frye's critical role in the case
- (11:45) Laci's condition - Nancy's personal pregnancy experience
- (15:00) The critical role Laci’s friends played
- (18:00) The Peterson family's involvement
- (23:30) The appeal process -evidence and failures
- (26:00) The Alex Murdaugh case - new trial?
- (33:00) “That said, Peterson, you're going back to jail. Murdaugh, you're getting a new trial. There we go.”
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Speaker 1 (00:08):
I'm Cheryl McCollum, and I am joined today as always
with the one and only Nancy Grays Morning Sunshine.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Okay, go ahead, you can start off like that, butter
me up. But I know you're going to talk about
Scott Peterson. There's no way out for me. I better
heat up my tea. I better do a double tea
bag for this. I'm sorry, Cheryl, I can't think straight.
Somebody said, let's have ham and potato salad. I'm like, okay,
do you know what you have to do to make
(00:40):
homemade potato salad? You have to cut up a bunch
of potatoes. At first, you got to peel them. Then
you have to cut them up. Then you have to
boil them, but not too much because you don't want
mashed potatoes. Then you have to chop it up celery
and onions and make your super secret sauce, mayonnaise and
mustard and Worcester shears pick holes. Oh, dear Lord in Heaven.
(01:03):
Okay now, and now Scott Peterson. Right on top of
all of.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
That, when I say, before you say another word, and honey,
there you go.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
Look who's talking, Look who's talking.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
Listen seriously, before you say another word. I've gotten to
tell you. I fell out the other night. I am
watching you on Merritt Street. I'm not just a friend,
I am a fan. And when you said, and I
quote regarding Scott Peterson, you said, Scott Peterson wants to
(01:35):
speak out. Really shouldn't he have done that at trial?
Nancy and I laughed because here's the thing. The way
you said it was hilarious but absolutely accurate.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
You're dead old.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
If he had something to say, if there was some
way he could have gotten himself out of this situation,
he'd have done it then, not twenty years later. Because
TV showed.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
Up in this business, the so called glamour TV radio
podcasting business. Uh huh yeah, same thing with being a trial.
They make you look so good on what La Law
and Boston Legal and blah blah blah, all of that.
It's so glamorous. It's nothing at all like that same
(02:24):
thing in this business. But what I'm working up to
is TV people will say and tell you anything to
get you to say what they want you to say.
They'll fluff you up, and by the time it's all
over it, you're like, what just happened? There is no
telling what they told Scott Peterson and all of those
(02:47):
people that piled on and went, oh, yeah, he's totally innocent.
I mean, I hate to even look at Twitter, but
I do. You know why, because I find so many
cases there that I haven't heard about and that need attention.
I'm telling you everyone that's piling on was not there
for the trial. And as I was saying, I hate
(03:09):
to even look at Twitter, but I do because guess
what I found there last week? Mom Tabot, I didn't
know anything about her missing, you know, the young mom,
the pediatric nurse. Yes, I mean I hope you know
about mom to and so many others. That's just the
one that off the top of my head. But I
look looking for cases, and I usually find a lot
(03:32):
of them. But I also see all the other stuff.
Your Hardball's got, Peters and Zennacent, little Little Love lother
and I just among other things. You're ugly. Why are
you on TV? Right?
Speaker 1 (03:46):
But you know I always tell people the way you
worked a courtroom and the way you laid a case
out was you know, it's just a stroke of brilliance
to me. Every time I ever had the opportunity to
watch you, And I know on this case, some of
the things that you would have done, and one of
the things you would have done, without question, you would
(04:08):
have had a big old board that just said December ninth.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
What are you doing on Christmas Eve? I am. I'm
not shopping anymore because I have done that far in advance.
But I'm cooking and I'm prepping to let's just say,
prepare for Santa to arrive and we have a big
meal with all of my family. The Lynch family comes
(04:35):
to Saturday before Christmas, and then Christmas Eve, my family
comes and you know, my mom lives with me, and
she is quite as a cook. She can make anything
from soul food to a fancy French soufle. Anyway, I
have to make it just right or miss thing will
not eat it. Okay, So I'm doing all that. We
(04:56):
have the church service where somehow I managed to you'll
get the twins in on the Christmas pageant, much to
their chagrin and all that. So who is gonna leave
your wife at home preparing a Christmas Eve? Get together
and go fishing? Oh, excuse me, golf Which one was it? Exactly?
Speaker 1 (05:15):
He says, golfing? But he went fishing.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
He decided he went fishing once he got spotted by
the marina worker who saw him trying to back his
boat in correct.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
You know our big family, Christmas starts Christmas Eve, so
that's when all the powe wills started, all the carrying on.
You know we have I had. That is a real hooton,
Nanny right there, honey, it is something we start opening press, but.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
We all cook up some hootch and a big trash
can in the backyard. It's Christmas Eve. Choose the gun
in the.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
Air keeping people off the roofs the Sanda can land
without obstruction.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
I guess who's here? David?
Speaker 1 (05:58):
Shut up, David shut up?
Speaker 2 (06:01):
What are you doing with the fizzy drink? You think
that's going to give you energy? Poor thing? I had
him feeling onions, feeling and potatoes at five o'clock this morning. Okay, see,
that's what Scott Peterson would have been doing. He would
have been helping Lacey prep the meal, the big meal
for everybody coming over. But no, no, he's.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
Got to go dump or body. And here's the thing,
Nancy again, I.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
Know you.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
Would have walked that jury through the relevance of December
the ninth because again I can see you in my mind.
I know what you would have done. And everybody needs
to understand the relevance. I tell you know, young detectives
all the time. This case don't start the day that
person is killed. It starts before that. And this did too.
(06:50):
What meant buys a boat that all his friends and
family don't know about.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
It, especially friends, because some not just men, but people
women to hide large expenditures. Why because the family, especially
the wife, but the family, the mom, the dad, the
in laws, They know you cannot afford it. If I
was to pull up in a Porsche or a Mercedes,
(07:15):
everybody would fall out. Can you see me driving around
as something like that, you know, in debt up to
my neck in hawk on a lease for a luxury car? Oh?
No way. Every time I see one of those go by,
I think, Okay, there goes the twins college fun right there?
So no, So people hide sometimes hide bit expenditors. Right,
(07:38):
so I can get with a straight face why he
may not have told Acey. I can get why he
may not have told his in laws, maybe his parents,
but not his friends. No, not Amber, his mistress, not
any of his friends, none of his coworkers, people that
(08:00):
would accept his cheating and everything else about him. You
can't tell me. None of his friends knew he was
cheating as bs, so he wouldn't even tell them about
the boat. And you know, I've always been curious if
anyone spoke to the boat salesperson. I wonder if he
(08:21):
said I'm keeping this a secret, or or what he
said if anything, Maybe nothing, but maybe something mm hmm.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
But speaking of the Amber Fry, she plays a role
in December ninth too, because that is the day he
told her his wife was dead.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
Well wait a minute, wait a minute, you left out
that artistic touch. It's not just quote I lost my wife.
Those are his words. This would be my first Christmas
without her. Okay, you just had to add that little
twist of the knife. And yes, it would be his
first Christmas without his wife.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
That's right, And that is very specific. If she went
missing Christmas Eve, that's a tie Winda. And he told
you flat out in every way she ain't going to
be here Christmas, and he knew that December ninth.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
You know, I just had a flashback to Beaning Court
and that would be a wonderful moment for a pregnant
pause he told his mistress on December nine, he just
lost his wife. His words, not mine. I just lost
my wife. And this will be my first Christmas without her.
(09:35):
And he said it in a sad, touching, poignant way,
my first Christmas without her. That would be a great
moment to stop at the jury rail and physically turn
around and look at him, my first Christmas without her,
and lo and behold, either he's a clairvoyant or he's
(09:56):
a killer.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
Amen. Amberfry is a freaking hero. She had no idea
she was in the mistress role. She had no idea
Lacey existed. She didn't know anything. And then when she
finds out here he is on TV. Here his wife's missing.
(10:18):
And he didn't want to be on TV. Remember that
he didn't want to make the outcry. He wanted her
high school friends to do it, her parents to do it.
He didn't want his face on TV. And now, of
course we know why. But when she found out, she
went straight to the police.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
Yeah, I wonder how he phrased that to her parents
and his family. I don't want to beg someone for
her return. One I already know where she is, and
two I don't want my mistress to see me.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
Yeah, that's pretty much it when Amberfry got him on
that recording.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
Can I tell you something, I met Amber many times
and has spoken to her in private many times. She's
nothing like she's portrayed to be. She's portrayed to be
sleazy mistress. She's nothing like that. She was a great
(11:09):
young lady that thought she found quote the one was
so excited about her date for the Christmas party. And
he leaves Lacey at home to take her to the party.
That's where the infamous photo of him was taken with
his hand on her Amber's rear end, smiling, and all
(11:29):
the time Lacey could hardly walk around, which is, you know,
a fantastical story that she was out walking the dog
and confronting burglars. I mean, I remember, remember I came
home from New York. Let's see, was I still working
both Court TV and HLM. I can't, no, no, no,
(11:54):
I think by that time i'd quit Court TV. But
that said, I'd come home for the weekend and David
and I were going to go get dinner. I didn't
feel like cooking at all, and I was walking into
the restaurant and he stepped ahead of me to open
the door and some a man, an old man, went,
(12:14):
you better take her to the hospital. She can hardly walk.
And it's true. I can't explain it, but I could
hardly walk. I felt so bad. And the next day
I had Sunday, I had an emergency cincerian and they
told me if I had waited, Lucy would have died.
(12:37):
So I'm just thinking about people. Many people said Lacy
could hardly walk, and I put myself. I project how
I felt at that time, and I was all propped
up on pillows. It you gave me a shock baby shower,
and I think about her, hardly able to walk, according
to multiple witnesses that knew her. And then the story
(13:02):
is that she thought she saw a burglary across the
street and went to confront the burglars or was out
walking far away from the house with the dog straining
at the leaves trying to get away. That did not happen.
She was in no condition to do that.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
You know, Nancy, I have got a picture of you
from that baby shower, and you are so cute and
you are so happy, and it's just that time. You're
never going to have a time like that again. In
your life with so much hope and so much joy,
and you cannot wait for those babies to get here,
(13:38):
to love on them and enjoy them every single day.
And that was stolen not just from Lacey, but her mama,
her brother, her stepfather, all these people, her high school friends.
And that's another thing. If David were to tell me, well,
Nancy left me and the twins, I'm gonna tell you something.
(14:00):
If he even said you went on for an hour,
I'm not going to believe it. When you've got somebody
that's not searching for Lacey, not making an outcry, not
completely out of his mind, looking for her and his son.
Those are not just flags. That is beyond obvious. It's
beyond Hey, you absolutely had You've had something to do
(14:23):
with it, because again, you're more concerned about a boat
than you are your wife and child.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
And I mean, we can get into the intricacies of
why would he leave her at a time like that
to pursue going fishing, But I mean, some people just
can't relate to other people that are in need. Either
they can't or it's upsetting to them. There's a lot
of reasons why people flake out when someone else really
(14:49):
needs them, but at this point, I mean when I
heard that right then I knew then when his story changed,
where he was that day? No, I mean, if you
asked me where were you last night, I can tell
you exactly where I was. The twins had juggling tutors
(15:11):
and I was trying to juggle dinner around them. I
ate with one, then I ate with the other, and
then I worked until I fell asleep.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
Nancy, let's talk about her high school friends. I think
they were so critical in this thing. I mean, they
knew she wouldn't go off anywhere, they knew he wasn't
acting right, and they were just a solid wall, just
this force of advocacy that was critical to me.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
I agree. And what's so important? And I see it
in other cases where there is not that close group
of friends, that the case does turn out differently because
nobody really knows the victims' habits or what they would
do in any certain situation. I was just thinking back
(16:01):
on mom to bought Bhatt that I found on Twitter.
Thank you to whoever sent that to me. We've already
covered it once, recovering it again next week. Guess who
is searching for Mom to her friends from her baby shower,
her baby shower friends. They are the ones that are
(16:22):
doing the flyers and the social media and literally gathering volunteers,
mostly women, and searching, walking the neighborhood, walking beyond the neighborhood,
basically doing grid searches, you know, projecting out from where
her home is. That's who's doing it, her baby shower friends.
I start comparison to Lacy Peterson, who's friends and of
(16:46):
course her mother and stepfather. I hate to even call
him a stepfather, because he was like a father to her.
Uh Ron Gransky, and they were the ones spearheading it.
And I always found it extremely interesting that the Peterson
family always held back. You know, if I were to
go missing, first of all, just go ahead and put
(17:07):
David in jail with his big hoe. He's wrangled, and
she is not raising my children. That is not happening.
But his family, I don't know how I fell into
such a pot of honey with the Lynches, But his
family would be at the forefront trying to find me.
(17:28):
They wouldn't be hanging back in the shadows and talking
on the phone with their mistress during the vigil. That's
not going to happen.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
No, and your sister in law wouldn't stand behind him
for twenty years telling everybody they were wrong about all
the evidence that is so glaring, like the hair implyers.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
I don't really blame Jane I don't Janie Peterson, because
when you love someone, that's what you want to see,
and that's what you will see. But there is a
really strong streak of denial in the evidence that exists.
A lot of the evidence what's circumstantial, that's true, like
the experiment with his boat and other but then there
(18:09):
was so much overwhelming evidence pointing to his lies and
his behavior. I mean, you know, Cheryl, if you don't
come home for three days, you think Walt is going
to go order the porn channel and try to sell
your car, That's not going to happen. No, it is
(18:30):
not going to go straight to hell on a hatchet
if he tries.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
That's right. You and I have talked many, many times
about the photographs that family members choose to put out
when somebody's missing. We've talked about John Benet. If that
six year old was truly missing, her mama put out
a picture. Nobody's going to recognize that child from her pageant. Photograph.
(18:54):
She doesn't look like that. Her hair doesn't look like that,
her clothes, her face, the makeup, she doesn't look that way.
If I go missing and walk gives you a picture
of us from high school, that girl don't exist. No, mo,
you're not gonna find me from her worrying.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
If he did that, I would hog Tim immediately in
the front yard and call the police. Okay, that's what
would happen. Okay, And you can tell him I said that.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
And y'all that's why you keep that friend group close.
You're gonna need him so But the picture they put out,
it wasn't a picture Scott put out her friends again.
It was that adorable picture and that burgundy outfit from
her baby shore. They made the flyers. They were putting
the flyers out. Scott, meanwhile, of course, is trying to
(19:44):
keep dating Amber Fry and lying about being in France
and not searching for and standing in the background of
the vigil, not wanting to talk to the media and
not make a play for her return.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
I mean, at a certain point, don't you say, Look,
I love you, I really do. I'm so happy in life.
But I've got to be honest with you. My wife
has gone missing. And I know I didn't tell you
I was married. I hope you know whatever men tell
their mistresses and whatever story, but it would seem that
you'd at least want to find your unborn son.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
Right. And he tells the media, I can't even go
in that room. I can't go in that room till
he's home. Well, then you find out it's a storage room.
He's just throwing all kind of junk in there.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
Oh my goodness. I was looking at some evidence last
night about Scott Peterson. And when police, first, law enforcement
first came there, the home was pristine. Okay, everything was
neat and in order. The nursery for Connor was perfectly appointed.
When they came back just a few days later, he
(20:52):
had started already storing things in the baby's room. The
rocking chair, which had been sitting there like lady was
about to sit down and read a story and write.
The baby was basically covered in stuff, clothes, everything. The
roomage has become the throwaway room, and the search was
still on. He knew they weren't coming.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
Home absolutely, which is the reason he sold her car
and tried to sell the house.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
One thing I always loved is, and I've seen it
over and over. Think about Coburger, but many other, many,
many other cases where the killer or the perp always
comes back to the scene and I don't know why.
I don't know why they do that. It's like why
does a dog circle around three times before it sits down.
(21:43):
I don't know, but it does. He would go out
and gaze out onto San Francisco Bay why, I guess what,
looking for Lacey's body to show up, over and over
and over, and that was proven by GPS tracking multiple times.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
He won be sure nobody was out there wise to
him that nothing had surfaced. And I'm gonna tell you
something else. You were so nice just then about the
sister in law. But I'm gonna tell you something. When
you've got cash money from family, and you've got your
brother's ID and you've been hey, I'm going to show
up and play golf with y'all right before I tried
to head to Mexico. That's not that family being in denial.
(22:23):
That to me is Aiden and a Benton. And I'm
just telling you they knew. They knew he was headed
to Mexico to hide and flee. They knew it because
they helped him. And you know, you look at who
championed for her, who fought for her high school friends,
not her husband or his family.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
One of the lines of defense was that someone stole
ACiE and cut her open to get the baby. It's
just like somebody kidnapped John Manay for the one hundred and
eighteen thousand dollars. But you know what, screw that. I
was going to kill her right here and leave her
in the basement. Same thing with I remember the night
that Mark Garrigos tried that out on me on the
(23:06):
Larry King Show, and it was cut to ribbons, and
so that defense went quickly by the wayside. But that
was one considered a line of defense that someone had
kidnapped Lace for the baby, sliced her open and gotten
the baby. But then said, oh, you know what, forget
(23:27):
that plan. We're just going to throw in the day,
forget the baby. I know we kidnapped her with all
those intentions, but toy with it.
Speaker 1 (23:34):
And how lucky for them that Scott decides at that
exact moment that his wife's being murdered, Hey, I'm not
going to go play golf. I'm going to take out
this boat that don't nobody know about and go to
the exact place that she and Connor are dumped.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
There was also the defense of the Hawaiian gang, so
I guess they were just spitting out anything hoping somebody
would believe it. But all that's gone by the wayside.
In there they decided to the winner is the burglars
across the street, who, by the way, were found questioned.
I believe, pollied and excluded. And it reminds me of
(24:09):
OJ Simpson. I'll tell you why Why would police lapd
And I'm not saying they're saints, They're not nuns and
priests and virgins, I know that. Why would they set
about to bring down one of the most beloved football
icons everybody loves remember the commercials him running through the airport.
(24:31):
For sure it hurts Rental hurt, yeah, yeah, and everybody
loved him, So why pick him to bring him down
on a double murder? He didn't commit same thing here.
If you have the killers in your clutches, the burglars,
which they did behind bars, why would you go about
(24:53):
framing a guy that everybody seemingly loved. It's mind boggling.
It defies logic on every turn. So those guys were found,
they were questioned, and they were ruled out. Yet still
that's the best line of defense they've got, so they're continuing.
I just don't understand the parade of followers, the blind
(25:17):
sheet following along.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
And let's just give them something. In the last twenty years,
every appeal, everything that's been retested, every person they've tried
to find is some kind of witness that would help
him out. Every single thing has failed. It has failed
because he did it. It was proven beyond a reasonable
(25:40):
doubt to the jury and has been proven every day since.
There is no evidence that's going to show that anybody
else did anything to Lacy Peterson.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
Can I just ask you about one other case very quickly,
that is in Stark const to Peterson, where I think,
although I hate it, I think a new trial may
be warranted. I'm not happy about it, but I understand
if it happens. Alex Murdagug, Yes, do I think that
(26:16):
Becky Hill and a few offhand comments convinced a jury
to guilty. No, at most one of them, at most
or two of them may have said, Wow, she thinks
he's guilty, doesn't she, And they go about their business, right,
that'll be what she said to the jury. I highly
(26:37):
doubt made them come up with a guilty verdic even
one of them. They didn't know her. So long story short,
I don't believe she affected the jury's decision. But if
she made those comments, even offhandedly, and I'm looking at
it in the light most favorable to her, if that happened,
(27:00):
I don't see a way around a new trial. I
really don't, because it's the appearance of impropriety and where
do you draw the line. An appellate court is not
a fact finder, and so if they can't decide, oh, well,
what we're saying right now that it didn't affect the
injury decision, they can't make that determination. They cannot be
a finder a fact. So if there is this question
(27:24):
of fact, they're going to have to remand that for
a new trial.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
I agree, and they should, and it's going to have
the same outcome. So there ain't a reason a panic,
But it's got to be done right.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
Oh Lord have mercy. It's not a good thing when
the defense has your whole playbook, because they'll spend all
night for re preparing a line of defense, changing their story.
The only good thing about when they change their story.
You have the transcripts from the previous trial to show
that they're changing their story. But it's quote never the same.
(28:00):
You can't put Humpty Dumpty back together again. But I
think on the other end of the spectrum that there
will very likely be a new trial. I don't think
anybody really wants that, except Marlck himself, but I think
that that's coming down the pint Cheryl. So I guess
I'll see you in South Carolina.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
I will see you as South Carolina. But even more importantly,
I get to see you in person this Sunday, and
I cannot wait.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
You know what, very rarely in our line of business
do we ever get to celebrate, and it's not really
a celebration. People would you know, when I had a
jury verdict coming it was a verdict, watch, people would go,
I guess you're going out parting tonight. That would be
the last thing on my mind. You know, I'd be
(28:46):
like exhausted. I'd have a calendar with one hundred and
fifty new people to attend to plead them, investigate them,
try them. You know, in the end of the trial,
everybody leaves the courtroom, broken hearted because then you realize, okay,
we got justice, now what and you're just looking at
this big empty space you got to jump into like
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jumping off a cliff. So it's a tough time. I
would always have like a moment where I could exhale
and go, Okay, one down next, but there. I'm looking
forward to Sunday because the family, what's left of them
of Melissa Wolfenberger, have some they have that moment where
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they're going to go, oh, thank Heaven, we got him,
and you know, then they're going to go about the
business of trying to put their lives back together. So
I'm going to thankfully thanks to you. Get to be
there in that moment where they say, Okay, we got him, and.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
You know it may not be a celebration, but you know,
my little Episcopaian self, I do believe in honoring the gratitude,
and I am so grateful. I'm grateful to you. I'm
grateful to Karen Greer, I'm grateful to doctor and you,
Arnold and everybody else is going to be in that
room and that needs to be celebrated. So I can't
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wait to see Sugar.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
I'm looking forward to it too, And you know, there's
a big difference between the Baptists and the Methodists and
the Episcopalians. From what I understand, I still don't know
what the Lutherans are up to, even though synth so
good twins to a Lutheran preschool for a year. I
saw a big picture of Jesus in the hallway, and
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I'm like, okay, they're fine. But that was when I
would still sit in the parking lot and work while
they were in play school. Okay and cry.
Speaker 1 (30:42):
If you've got thirty seconds, you want to hear my
grandfather's favorite joke.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
Okay, go ahead.
Speaker 1 (30:47):
So this man dies goes to heaven Saint Peter's giving
him a tour. He said, come on, here's the first room,
and honey, that room is so, you know, kind of calm.
A little piano is playing, you know, nice little function
going on.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
Now. It must be the Episcopals, he said, who's that.
Speaker 1 (31:03):
He goes, oh, that's the Methodist you know, very beautiful day,
you know, very you know, sophisticated, a great time. They
go to this next room, honey, it's an all out party.
There is a guitar and drums going at this party
and there's dancing and carried on.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
Well, of course that's Episcopalians.
Speaker 1 (31:22):
That's fabulous. And he gets to the next room silent.
It's so quiet. Nobody's saying a word.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
Let me guess the Baptist or he either liquor.
Speaker 1 (31:32):
He goes, Now, we got to creep by this room.
And so they creep by the room and they get by,
and the man said, who was that? Insat Peter said,
that's the Baptist. And we have to be quiet because
they think they're the only ones here.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
Now you know David was a Baptist. And there was
one little headline. I believe it's in the making telegraph.
Grace secretly marries his husband converts because he was a Baptist,
and we got married by a Methodist pastor. But wait
a minute. The joke I have is, what's the difference
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between a Baptist and a Methodist? What the Methodist will
at least say hello with a liquor store. Yeah, amen,
oh lord, have mercy. Okay, So, and you know, David
comes from a long line of hardcore Baptist. His mother
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could sniff a can of beer a mile away. Let
me tell you about tell you about my grandmother who
raised me, you know, because mother and daddy were working
like crazy. So Mama was a teetotaler like myself, except
she thought, unlike me, that drinking was an actual sin.
So one day my brother Rude, Rude, Rude says to Mama, well,
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what about Christpher's miracle He turned water into wines? And
she's waited. There was a pause. I'm like, oh, dear
Lord in Heaven, she doesn't have an answer. There was
like a five second polsey. She said, it wasn't for
a minute. I love her so much if I could
only be with her for five minutes. Okay, that said Peterson,
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you're going back to jail, murdog, you're getting any trial.
There we go and as.
Speaker 1 (33:27):
You say, we live to fight another day.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
We lived to fight another day.
Speaker 1 (33:32):
I'm Cheryl McCollum and this is the Crime Roundup with
Zones Heaven.
I'm Cheryl McCollum, and I am joined today as always
with the one and only Nancy Grays Morning Sunshine.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Okay, go ahead, you can start off like that, butter
me up. But I know you're going to talk about
Scott Peterson. There's no way out for me. I better
heat up my tea. I better do a double tea
bag for this. I'm sorry, Cheryl, I can't think straight.
Somebody said, let's have ham and potato salad. I'm like, okay,
do you know what you have to do to make
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homemade potato salad? You have to cut up a bunch
of potatoes. At first, you got to peel them. Then
you have to cut them up. Then you have to
boil them, but not too much because you don't want
mashed potatoes. Then you have to chop it up celery
and onions and make your super secret sauce, mayonnaise and
mustard and Worcester shears pick holes. Oh, dear Lord in Heaven.
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Okay now, and now Scott Peterson. Right on top of
all of.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
That, when I say, before you say another word, and honey,
there you go.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
Look who's talking, Look who's talking.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
Listen seriously, before you say another word. I've gotten to
tell you. I fell out the other night. I am
watching you on Merritt Street. I'm not just a friend,
I am a fan. And when you said, and I
quote regarding Scott Peterson, you said, Scott Peterson wants to
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speak out. Really shouldn't he have done that at trial?
Nancy and I laughed because here's the thing. The way
you said it was hilarious but absolutely accurate.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
You're dead old.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
If he had something to say, if there was some
way he could have gotten himself out of this situation,
he'd have done it then, not twenty years later. Because
TV showed.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
Up in this business, the so called glamour TV radio
podcasting business. Uh huh yeah, same thing with being a trial.
They make you look so good on what La Law
and Boston Legal and blah blah blah, all of that.
It's so glamorous. It's nothing at all like that same
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thing in this business. But what I'm working up to
is TV people will say and tell you anything to
get you to say what they want you to say.
They'll fluff you up, and by the time it's all
over it, you're like, what just happened? There is no
telling what they told Scott Peterson and all of those
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people that piled on and went, oh, yeah, he's totally innocent.
I mean, I hate to even look at Twitter, but
I do. You know why, because I find so many
cases there that I haven't heard about and that need attention.
I'm telling you everyone that's piling on was not there
for the trial. And as I was saying, I hate
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to even look at Twitter, but I do because guess
what I found there last week? Mom Tabot, I didn't
know anything about her missing, you know, the young mom,
the pediatric nurse. Yes, I mean I hope you know
about mom to and so many others. That's just the
one that off the top of my head. But I
look looking for cases, and I usually find a lot
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of them. But I also see all the other stuff.
Your Hardball's got, Peters and Zennacent, little Little Love lother
and I just among other things. You're ugly. Why are
you on TV? Right?
Speaker 1 (03:46):
But you know I always tell people the way you
worked a courtroom and the way you laid a case
out was you know, it's just a stroke of brilliance
to me. Every time I ever had the opportunity to
watch you, And I know on this case, some of
the things that you would have done, and one of
the things you would have done, without question, you would
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have had a big old board that just said December ninth.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
What are you doing on Christmas Eve? I am. I'm
not shopping anymore because I have done that far in advance.
But I'm cooking and I'm prepping to let's just say,
prepare for Santa to arrive and we have a big
meal with all of my family. The Lynch family comes
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to Saturday before Christmas, and then Christmas Eve, my family
comes and you know, my mom lives with me, and
she is quite as a cook. She can make anything
from soul food to a fancy French soufle. Anyway, I
have to make it just right or miss thing will
not eat it. Okay, So I'm doing all that. We
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have the church service where somehow I managed to you'll
get the twins in on the Christmas pageant, much to
their chagrin and all that. So who is gonna leave
your wife at home preparing a Christmas Eve? Get together
and go fishing? Oh, excuse me, golf Which one was it? Exactly?
Speaker 1 (05:15):
He says, golfing? But he went fishing.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
He decided he went fishing once he got spotted by
the marina worker who saw him trying to back his
boat in correct.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
You know our big family, Christmas starts Christmas Eve, so
that's when all the powe wills started, all the carrying on.
You know we have I had. That is a real hooton,
Nanny right there, honey, it is something we start opening press, but.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
We all cook up some hootch and a big trash
can in the backyard. It's Christmas Eve. Choose the gun
in the.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
Air keeping people off the roofs the Sanda can land
without obstruction.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
I guess who's here? David?
Speaker 1 (05:58):
Shut up, David shut up?
Speaker 2 (06:01):
What are you doing with the fizzy drink? You think
that's going to give you energy? Poor thing? I had
him feeling onions, feeling and potatoes at five o'clock this morning. Okay, see,
that's what Scott Peterson would have been doing. He would
have been helping Lacey prep the meal, the big meal
for everybody coming over. But no, no, he's.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
Got to go dump or body. And here's the thing,
Nancy again, I.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
Know you.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
Would have walked that jury through the relevance of December
the ninth because again I can see you in my mind.
I know what you would have done. And everybody needs
to understand the relevance. I tell you know, young detectives
all the time. This case don't start the day that
person is killed. It starts before that. And this did too.
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What meant buys a boat that all his friends and
family don't know about.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
It, especially friends, because some not just men, but people
women to hide large expenditures. Why because the family, especially
the wife, but the family, the mom, the dad, the
in laws, They know you cannot afford it. If I
was to pull up in a Porsche or a Mercedes,
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everybody would fall out. Can you see me driving around
as something like that, you know, in debt up to
my neck in hawk on a lease for a luxury car? Oh?
No way. Every time I see one of those go by,
I think, Okay, there goes the twins college fun right there?
So no, So people hide sometimes hide bit expenditors. Right,
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so I can get with a straight face why he
may not have told Acey. I can get why he
may not have told his in laws, maybe his parents,
but not his friends. No, not Amber, his mistress, not
any of his friends, none of his coworkers, people that
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would accept his cheating and everything else about him. You
can't tell me. None of his friends knew he was
cheating as bs, so he wouldn't even tell them about
the boat. And you know, I've always been curious if
anyone spoke to the boat salesperson. I wonder if he
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said I'm keeping this a secret, or or what he
said if anything, Maybe nothing, but maybe something mm hmm.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
But speaking of the Amber Fry, she plays a role
in December ninth too, because that is the day he
told her his wife was dead.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
Well wait a minute, wait a minute, you left out
that artistic touch. It's not just quote I lost my wife.
Those are his words. This would be my first Christmas
without her. Okay, you just had to add that little
twist of the knife. And yes, it would be his
first Christmas without his wife.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
That's right, And that is very specific. If she went
missing Christmas Eve, that's a tie Winda. And he told
you flat out in every way she ain't going to
be here Christmas, and he knew that December ninth.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
You know, I just had a flashback to Beaning Court
and that would be a wonderful moment for a pregnant
pause he told his mistress on December nine, he just
lost his wife. His words, not mine. I just lost
my wife. And this will be my first Christmas without her.
(09:35):
And he said it in a sad, touching, poignant way,
my first Christmas without her. That would be a great
moment to stop at the jury rail and physically turn
around and look at him, my first Christmas without her,
and lo and behold, either he's a clairvoyant or he's
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a killer.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
Amen. Amberfry is a freaking hero. She had no idea
she was in the mistress role. She had no idea
Lacey existed. She didn't know anything. And then when she
finds out here he is on TV. Here his wife's missing.
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And he didn't want to be on TV. Remember that
he didn't want to make the outcry. He wanted her
high school friends to do it, her parents to do it.
He didn't want his face on TV. And now, of
course we know why. But when she found out, she
went straight to the police.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
Yeah, I wonder how he phrased that to her parents
and his family. I don't want to beg someone for
her return. One I already know where she is, and
two I don't want my mistress to see me.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
Yeah, that's pretty much it when Amberfry got him on
that recording.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
Can I tell you something, I met Amber many times
and has spoken to her in private many times. She's
nothing like she's portrayed to be. She's portrayed to be
sleazy mistress. She's nothing like that. She was a great
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young lady that thought she found quote the one was
so excited about her date for the Christmas party. And
he leaves Lacey at home to take her to the party.
That's where the infamous photo of him was taken with
his hand on her Amber's rear end, smiling, and all
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the time Lacey could hardly walk around, which is, you know,
a fantastical story that she was out walking the dog
and confronting burglars. I mean, I remember, remember I came
home from New York. Let's see, was I still working
both Court TV and HLM. I can't, no, no, no,
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I think by that time i'd quit Court TV. But
that said, I'd come home for the weekend and David
and I were going to go get dinner. I didn't
feel like cooking at all, and I was walking into
the restaurant and he stepped ahead of me to open
the door and some a man, an old man, went,
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you better take her to the hospital. She can hardly walk.
And it's true. I can't explain it, but I could
hardly walk. I felt so bad. And the next day
I had Sunday, I had an emergency cincerian and they
told me if I had waited, Lucy would have died.
(12:37):
So I'm just thinking about people. Many people said Lacy
could hardly walk, and I put myself. I project how
I felt at that time, and I was all propped
up on pillows. It you gave me a shock baby shower,
and I think about her, hardly able to walk, according
to multiple witnesses that knew her. And then the story
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is that she thought she saw a burglary across the
street and went to confront the burglars or was out
walking far away from the house with the dog straining
at the leaves trying to get away. That did not happen.
She was in no condition to do that.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
You know, Nancy, I have got a picture of you
from that baby shower, and you are so cute and
you are so happy, and it's just that time. You're
never going to have a time like that again. In
your life with so much hope and so much joy,
and you cannot wait for those babies to get here,
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to love on them and enjoy them every single day.
And that was stolen not just from Lacey, but her mama,
her brother, her stepfather, all these people, her high school friends.
And that's another thing. If David were to tell me, well,
Nancy left me and the twins, I'm gonna tell you something.
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If he even said you went on for an hour,
I'm not going to believe it. When you've got somebody
that's not searching for Lacey, not making an outcry, not
completely out of his mind, looking for her and his son.
Those are not just flags. That is beyond obvious. It's
beyond Hey, you absolutely had You've had something to do
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with it, because again, you're more concerned about a boat
than you are your wife and child.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
And I mean, we can get into the intricacies of
why would he leave her at a time like that
to pursue going fishing, But I mean, some people just
can't relate to other people that are in need. Either
they can't or it's upsetting to them. There's a lot
of reasons why people flake out when someone else really
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needs them, but at this point, I mean when I
heard that right then I knew then when his story changed,
where he was that day? No, I mean, if you
asked me where were you last night, I can tell
you exactly where I was. The twins had juggling tutors
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and I was trying to juggle dinner around them. I
ate with one, then I ate with the other, and
then I worked until I fell asleep.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
Nancy, let's talk about her high school friends. I think
they were so critical in this thing. I mean, they
knew she wouldn't go off anywhere, they knew he wasn't
acting right, and they were just a solid wall, just
this force of advocacy that was critical to me.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
I agree. And what's so important? And I see it
in other cases where there is not that close group
of friends, that the case does turn out differently because
nobody really knows the victims' habits or what they would
do in any certain situation. I was just thinking back
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on mom to bought Bhatt that I found on Twitter.
Thank you to whoever sent that to me. We've already
covered it once, recovering it again next week. Guess who
is searching for Mom to her friends from her baby shower,
her baby shower friends. They are the ones that are
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doing the flyers and the social media and literally gathering volunteers,
mostly women, and searching, walking the neighborhood, walking beyond the neighborhood,
basically doing grid searches, you know, projecting out from where
her home is. That's who's doing it, her baby shower friends.
I start comparison to Lacy Peterson, who's friends and of
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course her mother and stepfather. I hate to even call
him a stepfather, because he was like a father to her.
Uh Ron Gransky, and they were the ones spearheading it.
And I always found it extremely interesting that the Peterson
family always held back. You know, if I were to
go missing, first of all, just go ahead and put
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David in jail with his big hoe. He's wrangled, and
she is not raising my children. That is not happening.
But his family, I don't know how I fell into
such a pot of honey with the Lynches, But his
family would be at the forefront trying to find me.
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They wouldn't be hanging back in the shadows and talking
on the phone with their mistress during the vigil. That's
not going to happen.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
No, and your sister in law wouldn't stand behind him
for twenty years telling everybody they were wrong about all
the evidence that is so glaring, like the hair implyers.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
I don't really blame Jane I don't Janie Peterson, because
when you love someone, that's what you want to see,
and that's what you will see. But there is a
really strong streak of denial in the evidence that exists.
A lot of the evidence what's circumstantial, that's true, like
the experiment with his boat and other but then there
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was so much overwhelming evidence pointing to his lies and
his behavior. I mean, you know, Cheryl, if you don't
come home for three days, you think Walt is going
to go order the porn channel and try to sell
your car, That's not going to happen. No, it is
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not going to go straight to hell on a hatchet
if he tries.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
That's right. You and I have talked many, many times
about the photographs that family members choose to put out
when somebody's missing. We've talked about John Benet. If that
six year old was truly missing, her mama put out
a picture. Nobody's going to recognize that child from her pageant. Photograph.
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She doesn't look like that. Her hair doesn't look like that,
her clothes, her face, the makeup, she doesn't look that way.
If I go missing and walk gives you a picture
of us from high school, that girl don't exist. No, mo,
you're not gonna find me from her worrying.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
If he did that, I would hog Tim immediately in
the front yard and call the police. Okay, that's what
would happen. Okay, And you can tell him I said that.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
And y'all that's why you keep that friend group close.
You're gonna need him so But the picture they put out,
it wasn't a picture Scott put out her friends again.
It was that adorable picture and that burgundy outfit from
her baby shore. They made the flyers. They were putting
the flyers out. Scott, meanwhile, of course, is trying to
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keep dating Amber Fry and lying about being in France
and not searching for and standing in the background of
the vigil, not wanting to talk to the media and
not make a play for her return.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
I mean, at a certain point, don't you say, Look,
I love you, I really do. I'm so happy in life.
But I've got to be honest with you. My wife
has gone missing. And I know I didn't tell you
I was married. I hope you know whatever men tell
their mistresses and whatever story, but it would seem that
you'd at least want to find your unborn son.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
Right. And he tells the media, I can't even go
in that room. I can't go in that room till
he's home. Well, then you find out it's a storage room.
He's just throwing all kind of junk in there.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
Oh my goodness. I was looking at some evidence last
night about Scott Peterson. And when police, first, law enforcement
first came there, the home was pristine. Okay, everything was
neat and in order. The nursery for Connor was perfectly appointed.
When they came back just a few days later, he
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had started already storing things in the baby's room. The
rocking chair, which had been sitting there like lady was
about to sit down and read a story and write.
The baby was basically covered in stuff, clothes, everything. The
roomage has become the throwaway room, and the search was
still on. He knew they weren't coming.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
Home absolutely, which is the reason he sold her car
and tried to sell the house.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
One thing I always loved is, and I've seen it
over and over. Think about Coburger, but many other, many,
many other cases where the killer or the perp always
comes back to the scene and I don't know why.
I don't know why they do that. It's like why
does a dog circle around three times before it sits down.
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I don't know, but it does. He would go out
and gaze out onto San Francisco Bay why, I guess what,
looking for Lacey's body to show up, over and over
and over, and that was proven by GPS tracking multiple times.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
He won be sure nobody was out there wise to
him that nothing had surfaced. And I'm gonna tell you
something else. You were so nice just then about the
sister in law. But I'm gonna tell you something. When
you've got cash money from family, and you've got your
brother's ID and you've been hey, I'm going to show
up and play golf with y'all right before I tried
to head to Mexico. That's not that family being in denial.
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That to me is Aiden and a Benton. And I'm
just telling you they knew. They knew he was headed
to Mexico to hide and flee. They knew it because
they helped him. And you know, you look at who
championed for her, who fought for her high school friends,
not her husband or his family.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
One of the lines of defense was that someone stole
ACiE and cut her open to get the baby. It's
just like somebody kidnapped John Manay for the one hundred and
eighteen thousand dollars. But you know what, screw that. I
was going to kill her right here and leave her
in the basement. Same thing with I remember the night
that Mark Garrigos tried that out on me on the
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Larry King Show, and it was cut to ribbons, and
so that defense went quickly by the wayside. But that
was one considered a line of defense that someone had
kidnapped Lace for the baby, sliced her open and gotten
the baby. But then said, oh, you know what, forget
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that plan. We're just going to throw in the day,
forget the baby. I know we kidnapped her with all
those intentions, but toy with it.
Speaker 1 (23:34):
And how lucky for them that Scott decides at that
exact moment that his wife's being murdered, Hey, I'm not
going to go play golf. I'm going to take out
this boat that don't nobody know about and go to
the exact place that she and Connor are dumped.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
There was also the defense of the Hawaiian gang, so
I guess they were just spitting out anything hoping somebody
would believe it. But all that's gone by the wayside.
In there they decided to the winner is the burglars
across the street, who, by the way, were found questioned.
I believe, pollied and excluded. And it reminds me of
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OJ Simpson. I'll tell you why Why would police lapd
And I'm not saying they're saints, They're not nuns and
priests and virgins, I know that. Why would they set
about to bring down one of the most beloved football
icons everybody loves remember the commercials him running through the airport.
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For sure it hurts Rental hurt, yeah, yeah, and everybody
loved him, So why pick him to bring him down
on a double murder? He didn't commit same thing here.
If you have the killers in your clutches, the burglars,
which they did behind bars, why would you go about
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framing a guy that everybody seemingly loved. It's mind boggling.
It defies logic on every turn. So those guys were found,
they were questioned, and they were ruled out. Yet still
that's the best line of defense they've got, so they're continuing.
I just don't understand the parade of followers, the blind
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sheet following along.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
And let's just give them something. In the last twenty years,
every appeal, everything that's been retested, every person they've tried
to find is some kind of witness that would help
him out. Every single thing has failed. It has failed
because he did it. It was proven beyond a reasonable
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doubt to the jury and has been proven every day since.
There is no evidence that's going to show that anybody
else did anything to Lacy Peterson.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
Can I just ask you about one other case very quickly,
that is in Stark const to Peterson, where I think,
although I hate it, I think a new trial may
be warranted. I'm not happy about it, but I understand
if it happens. Alex Murdagug, Yes, do I think that
(26:16):
Becky Hill and a few offhand comments convinced a jury
to guilty. No, at most one of them, at most
or two of them may have said, Wow, she thinks
he's guilty, doesn't she, And they go about their business, right,
that'll be what she said to the jury. I highly
(26:37):
doubt made them come up with a guilty verdic even
one of them. They didn't know her. So long story short,
I don't believe she affected the jury's decision. But if
she made those comments, even offhandedly, and I'm looking at
it in the light most favorable to her, if that happened,
(27:00):
I don't see a way around a new trial. I
really don't, because it's the appearance of impropriety and where
do you draw the line. An appellate court is not
a fact finder, and so if they can't decide, oh, well,
what we're saying right now that it didn't affect the
injury decision, they can't make that determination. They cannot be
a finder a fact. So if there is this question
(27:24):
of fact, they're going to have to remand that for
a new trial.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
I agree, and they should, and it's going to have
the same outcome. So there ain't a reason a panic,
But it's got to be done right.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
Oh Lord have mercy. It's not a good thing when
the defense has your whole playbook, because they'll spend all
night for re preparing a line of defense, changing their story.
The only good thing about when they change their story.
You have the transcripts from the previous trial to show
that they're changing their story. But it's quote never the same.
(28:00):
You can't put Humpty Dumpty back together again. But I
think on the other end of the spectrum that there
will very likely be a new trial. I don't think
anybody really wants that, except Marlck himself, but I think
that that's coming down the pint Cheryl. So I guess
I'll see you in South Carolina.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
I will see you as South Carolina. But even more importantly,
I get to see you in person this Sunday, and
I cannot wait.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
You know what, very rarely in our line of business
do we ever get to celebrate, and it's not really
a celebration. People would you know, when I had a
jury verdict coming it was a verdict, watch, people would go,
I guess you're going out parting tonight. That would be
the last thing on my mind. You know, I'd be
(28:46):
like exhausted. I'd have a calendar with one hundred and
fifty new people to attend to plead them, investigate them,
try them. You know, in the end of the trial,
everybody leaves the courtroom, broken hearted because then you realize, okay,
we got justice, now what and you're just looking at
this big empty space you got to jump into like
(29:09):
jumping off a cliff. So it's a tough time. I
would always have like a moment where I could exhale
and go, Okay, one down next, but there. I'm looking
forward to Sunday because the family, what's left of them
of Melissa Wolfenberger, have some they have that moment where
(29:32):
they're going to go, oh, thank Heaven, we got him,
and you know, then they're going to go about the
business of trying to put their lives back together. So
I'm going to thankfully thanks to you. Get to be
there in that moment where they say, Okay, we got him, and.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
You know it may not be a celebration, but you know,
my little Episcopaian self, I do believe in honoring the gratitude,
and I am so grateful. I'm grateful to you. I'm
grateful to Karen Greer, I'm grateful to doctor and you,
Arnold and everybody else is going to be in that
room and that needs to be celebrated. So I can't
(30:09):
wait to see Sugar.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
I'm looking forward to it too, And you know, there's
a big difference between the Baptists and the Methodists and
the Episcopalians. From what I understand, I still don't know
what the Lutherans are up to, even though synth so
good twins to a Lutheran preschool for a year. I
saw a big picture of Jesus in the hallway, and
(30:33):
I'm like, okay, they're fine. But that was when I
would still sit in the parking lot and work while
they were in play school. Okay and cry.
Speaker 1 (30:42):
If you've got thirty seconds, you want to hear my
grandfather's favorite joke.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
Okay, go ahead.
Speaker 1 (30:47):
So this man dies goes to heaven Saint Peter's giving
him a tour. He said, come on, here's the first room,
and honey, that room is so, you know, kind of calm.
A little piano is playing, you know, nice little function
going on.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
Now. It must be the Episcopals, he said, who's that.
Speaker 1 (31:03):
He goes, oh, that's the Methodist you know, very beautiful day,
you know, very you know, sophisticated, a great time. They
go to this next room, honey, it's an all out party.
There is a guitar and drums going at this party
and there's dancing and carried on.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
Well, of course that's Episcopalians.
Speaker 1 (31:22):
That's fabulous. And he gets to the next room silent.
It's so quiet. Nobody's saying a word.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
Let me guess the Baptist or he either liquor.
Speaker 1 (31:32):
He goes, Now, we got to creep by this room.
And so they creep by the room and they get by,
and the man said, who was that? Insat Peter said,
that's the Baptist. And we have to be quiet because
they think they're the only ones here.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
Now you know David was a Baptist. And there was
one little headline. I believe it's in the making telegraph.
Grace secretly marries his husband converts because he was a Baptist,
and we got married by a Methodist pastor. But wait
a minute. The joke I have is, what's the difference
(32:12):
between a Baptist and a Methodist? What the Methodist will
at least say hello with a liquor store. Yeah, amen,
oh lord, have mercy. Okay, So, and you know, David
comes from a long line of hardcore Baptist. His mother
(32:33):
could sniff a can of beer a mile away. Let
me tell you about tell you about my grandmother who
raised me, you know, because mother and daddy were working
like crazy. So Mama was a teetotaler like myself, except
she thought, unlike me, that drinking was an actual sin.
So one day my brother Rude, Rude, Rude says to Mama, well,
(32:58):
what about Christpher's miracle He turned water into wines? And
she's waited. There was a pause. I'm like, oh, dear
Lord in Heaven, she doesn't have an answer. There was
like a five second polsey. She said, it wasn't for
a minute. I love her so much if I could
only be with her for five minutes. Okay, that said Peterson,
(33:22):
you're going back to jail, murdog, you're getting any trial.
There we go and as.
Speaker 1 (33:27):
You say, we live to fight another day.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
We lived to fight another day.
Speaker 1 (33:32):
I'm Cheryl McCollum and this is the Crime Roundup with
Zones Heaven.
Host
Sheryl McCollum
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