April 9, 2025 • 30 mins
This is a three-part podcast series dedicated to understanding how serial killers form, and how we can stop them before they strike again. Hosted by award-winning crime scene investigator Sheryl McCollum, each episode features a guest expert who brings unique expertise into the psychology, behavior, and patterns of serial offenders.
Guest Bio and Links:
Phil Chalmers is a 40 year American Criminal Profiler, true crime writer, and host of the Dennis Quaid owned podcast “Where The Bodies Are Buried.” His live trainings are legendary in the law enforcement world, as he trains police officers, the FBI, probation officers, school administrators, and many other professionals. You may have seen Phil on A&E’s Killer Kids, or Fox’s Crime Watch Daily. He has interviewed hundreds of violent killers, including serial killers, school shooters, mass murderers, family annihilators, and spree killers. Names you might know on his interview list include Charles Manson, The Son of Sam, BTK, The Hillside Strangler, The Gainesville Ripper, The Zodiac Copycat, The Smiley Face Killer, and the Amityville Horror Killer.
Listeners can learn more about at Phil Chalmers at his website, on IG @philechalmerprofiler and his podcast - Where The Bodies Are Buried
Aeman Presley is a currently incarcerated serial killer who is serving life sentences for four murders committed in Georgia. Before his crimes, Presley worked as an actor and performer, appearing in commercials and on television. Now, from prison, he shares his story in an effort to help law enforcement and society understand the psychological trajectory that led to his violence.
Resources:
Part 1 - The Anatomy of a Serial Killer: Psychology, Profiling, Prevention
In this episode of Zone 7, Crime Scene Investigator, Sheryl McCollum and Phil Chalmers talk with Aeman Presley as he recounts his descent into violence; from an aspiring actor with a troubled past to a convicted serial killer. Aeman reveals the psychological battle he’s fought since childhood, marked by fatherlessness, gang affiliation, and undiagnosed mental health issues. He talks openly about his early life in Chicago, his attempts to pursue a professional life in acting, and the psychotic break that led to a series of brutal murders in the Atlanta area. Aeman walks listeners through his inner monologue before the killings, the warped logic he believed justified his actions, and the moment of psychological rupture when the “demon” within took over. This is not a glamorization, it’s a rare firsthand look into the psyche of someone who once viewed murder as both necessity and compulsion.
Show Notes:
- (0:00) Welcome back to Zone 7 with Crime Scene Investigator, Sheryl McCollum
- (0:10) Intro - On the line with Aeman Presley
- (2:30) Presley's early life and path to crime
- (3:30) Military discharge and mental health struggles
- (5:30) Chasing an acting career in Atlanta and LA
- (7:30) Financial strain and the turn to crime
- (10:00) Aeman’s first killing - inside the Kmart parking lot
- (15:00) Realizations in the aftermath - would it have continued?
- (16:00) Aeman describes the appetite for violence during movies
- (19:00) Why prison changed Aeman’s perspective
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Episode Transcript
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Speaker 1 (00:07):
We got a call right here at Hey. Amen, you there?
How are you, buddy? We're on the phone with Cheryl.
Cheryl's a friend of mine and she lives What city
do you live in?
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Atlanta?
Speaker 3 (00:18):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (00:19):
She's in Atlanta.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
Where did you live in Atlanta area? Where'd you live?
Speaker 4 (00:22):
I lived all over in Lanta growing up here in Atlanta.
Was living in the East Atlanta area. Today I was arrested, okay?
Speaker 1 (00:30):
And where were your murders? That were Were they in
the city of Atlanta or another city?
Speaker 4 (00:35):
One of them was in in Alasta, No, getting to
be cater. One was in the Stone Mountain, Georgia, And
actually another one was also in Downside at Lato.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Two were definitely in Atlanta, I know that Atlanta.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
One in Decatur, one in Stone Mountain.
Speaker 4 (00:52):
You broke up just for a minute. I knew what that.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
You sound better now?
Speaker 2 (00:56):
And Decatur and Stone Mountain or in the same county.
So that's why he would go to the Camp County court.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
So, Cheryl, do you want to ask I'm in questions
or do you want me to interview? How do you
want to do this?
Speaker 2 (01:08):
Either way, it's fine with me. I just can he
hear me? Because I can hear him?
Speaker 4 (01:12):
Beautiful work?
Speaker 2 (01:13):
Can you hear, Cheryl Amen? I just want to tell
you personally how much I appreciate this and the detective
that interviewed you for six hours. Detective David Quinn is
a friend of mine, and about seven point thirty he's
going to call in too, And I don't think the
two of y'all have spoken since the interview. Correct, that's correct, Okay,
(01:34):
But he is a super nice guy, and you know,
I know that he just wants to talk to you,
and you know you can talk back to him and
just talk about that night that he interviewed you and
how your life is going now and what you're trying
to do to help people. But I just again, I'm
Cheryl and my friends call me Mack, But I just
wanted to tell you I appreciate what you're doing. It
(01:57):
just I think is going to be an credible just
not just an episode on a podcast. I think it's
bigger than that. I think you've got information people need
to hear. And I'm just grateful and I just wanted
you to know that.
Speaker 4 (02:12):
And I'm glad thank you for sharing it with me,
and I'm glad that I could be of assistance. And
since I behind the scenes of the chrimes that I've
committed in my life, I do try to do the
right thing with my life. I did try to seak
a professional path other than a crime and violence soul.
I'm glad that I can help the world to be
(02:33):
a better place if we can learn about violence than
it to help the world to be less violent.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
Well aiming, Presley, I tell you if you would just
tell us a little bit about your childhood, tell us
a little bit about how you grew up, and then
we'll just go from there when you got into acting,
and then what happened when you moved back to Atlanta
from La Okay.
Speaker 4 (02:54):
When I was born, I grew up in Chicago, Inner
City of Chicago, on the South side of Chicago. I
grew up in a populous home. My father wasn't there.
I was an angler child. My mother was a single parrot.
She had to work all the time, so basically she
didn't know what to do. She with the with an
only boy. She did the best she could. All she
(03:16):
be with poor love on me, so she wasn't you know,
she trying to raise me the best she could. She
get the best she could pay going over without a father,
with a home, or no other male influences around other
than the gang wobers or the drug dealers. That's who
I frought to so at a young age. At the
age of twelve, I was learning how to sell drugs.
(03:36):
Age of twelve, I was learning how to carry guns.
At the age of thirteen, I was joining the gag.
At the age of of thirteen fourteen, I was seating guns,
and I was already a cringle. It's like I was
dinged before I even had a chance to get started
a lot. That's the path I found myself on in
order to try to save my life. My mother after
(03:57):
a visit to Atlanta, the busy family members here, my
mother decide that Atlanta might I might have a better
chance of making in the life if we moved to it.
So Atlanta was jangland now, but back in the nineties,
Atlanta was not so much of a gang land. I'll
sleep in Chicago, coming here, she thought that would be better.
But when we first moved down here, I actually got works.
(04:18):
I wasn't gang banging, but crime is everywhere, So I
just gravitated toward the criminal elegent down here in Atlanta, Georgia,
and I didn't finish high school. I did barely to
just keep my ged. But as a teenager, I was,
you know, coming crimes. And I was never like a
grown man, like a cowboy in a wild, wild West,
(04:39):
and it was it was all I knew. I didn't
I didn't know anything else, but it was nothing else
given to me but that and so. But in my
late teams, my mother black sick. We moved around Atlanta,
hang it up in a lot of programs, a lot
of reentry programs, a lot of programs bubble you. And
somewhere in my late teens, I got my ged. OH
tried to Jordan Marines. I should have been. I think
(05:00):
I would have been in Great Marine, but that didn't
work out. I johined the military and I was about
charge from the United States on Force working honorable discharge
under something called a psychotic personality. Before that was when
I was twenty. I didn't think it was seriously at
the time, but I know I've wrestled with demons and
fires all of my life. Well now, I tried to
(05:22):
suppress them, request some hold them back, and I tried
to live a good life. But I guess what was
in me just abruptly and it had to come out
soon or later. So I found myself in my early
mid late twenties on the path of for suing an
acting career in Atlanta. I actually took a class with
Atlanta top acting school called Your Act Camera Acting Class.
(05:43):
I was signed with one of atlanta top agencies called
Hot in time. UH. That afforded me an opportunity to
play the role of FoST natural ABC to what would
you do? Some people may be familiar with that. I
did a Popwave's chicken commercial. I was on BT on
Tiny and Toy. I'm the Ilum for those who were
familiar with the rapper Ti that's his wife and all
(06:04):
her friends. So I was on their TV show I
think I did. It was an Xbox either a PlayStation
video game commercial. They found the Downtown Atlanta and some
other no flexic films. But I was getting my feet
wet and I felt like I was ready to go
to La, you know, Hollywood, and take it to the
next level. And I went out there and La it
was more coqual competitive or harder to find a job
(06:27):
just and that's where I kind of faltered because I
ended up turning to what I knew, which was a
likeul crime was basically selling little bit, draw selling little bit.
We just trying to survive, pay for acting classes, play
for head shots photos so that I wouldn't have to
be a criminal. I really wanted to live a professional
righteous like, but I ended up having children in LA
(06:48):
and I kind of kind of lost focus. So I
just wasn't making it out there, and I just decided
to come back to Atlanta for a fresh start. So
I returned to Atlanta in twenty fourteen. At this point,
I was eighty four years, was all living life and
then done some things, and so I was just to
be turning to a lot of to try to pick
the acting corect actings rings back up and without any
(07:09):
money and having to start over. I ended up having
to get a job washing dishes here, washing dishes there,
and you know, working somewhere like that as a grown man,
eight dollars an hour to get talked to lfe right
with no respect. It just you very degrade, and it
was it's hard for me worked out. It's got a
pew fights with the guys there about uh, just my
(07:29):
work and thinking this and that and and so I
just quick and I just quit one day. And when
I quit, I stepped out on all in the downtown,
and Lana and I looked left, I look right, And
because I was raised in a life of crime, it
was just all too famili. They talk about criminal under
(07:50):
criminal insanity, and I heard a criminologists say in a book,
a criminologist explain that, you know, when we exposed to
a night of crime, you accept it over time. And
so then this is what I was exposed to a
young age. At a young age, I guess I never
saw the difference between right and wrong, why as cooly
as I do now, And so it was just all
(08:11):
too easy for me to decide, Hey, I buy some
guns and Robert Armor truck. I buy some guns and
rob a bank. And so that's what I did. I
bought some guns. But the problem was that I forgot
all about my things that I'll wrestle with. I forgot
that there was just like a movie Chucky with the
dog Chucky dot. I forgot that there was, if the
(08:33):
best way I can explain it to this day, when
I look back, I forgot that there was a killer
living inside me, the demon, the devil, whatever it was,
something that just wanted blood, and and I forgot all
about that. I was thinking about money and the acting career.
But once I bought the gun and I got back
(08:54):
to a hotel room off standing, it wasn't long. I
actually looked at one of the guns, and right then
and there, in that moment, it was like, uh, it
was like that the demon or they killed, or the
lid aside, whatever I was possessed with, just like took
over and my mind shifted from money to just sheer murder.
(09:19):
And so I found myself going out at night looking
for people to kill. And I turned down that path
on folence and murder. And I didn't get off that
path completely until they until the day I was arrested
after the UH. After the UH, I was after the murders.
I commit that that that that I'm doing time for.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
Now, can you tell us a little bit about the murders?
Speaker 4 (09:50):
What would you like to know, like exactly what?
Speaker 1 (09:52):
Well?
Speaker 2 (09:53):
I understand that you had a gun and you were
looking for somebody to rob, but then you noticed a
man smoking crack at the old came heart and in
an instant you switched from wanting money to I'm gonna
kill this person.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
So so so aiman, let me ask you a quick question.
How much time do you have tonight? How long can
you be on that phone.
Speaker 4 (10:15):
I can be on full, I can be on for
a while.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
Amen, Tell tell them. Tell Tell the story how you
were in your in your apartment and you were watching
a movie and eating some food. Just kind of tell
that whole story when it first clicked on you. That's
what she's asking, like, when you decided, like I'm not
going to rob someone, I'm gonna kill someone, Go ahead
and start that story of what happened.
Speaker 4 (10:34):
Oh, well, there was a night I was actually on
I had I was armed by a had a gun
I was I was actually supposed to be robbing a
dollar store in the Stone Mountain area, and I had
cased the place earlier that day and I planned to
rob the place that night. I just wanted the money
one pay pemo, rent past acting clothes to get a car.
And later on in night, I got to saying from
(10:56):
the dollar store in th card Storm Mountain and it
didn't go as public because it was a little too dark.
I wasn't about to get away. I just went through
about a lot of factories, and so I was getting
ready to head up to where I was staying at
the head back to the hotel, and I just.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
Happened to look over in an abandoned Kmark entrance, and
I just happened to notice that there was a gentleman
over there drinking alcohol and smoking crack cocaine, and just
out of nowhere, my mind shifted from thinking about money
to just I just found myself experiencing these cravings again to.
Speaker 4 (11:39):
Want to kill it. And I wrestled with that my
whole life. This is while discharged from the military with
U It's called a psychic personality disorder. And so I
found myself wrestling with this my whole like and it
was like, I don't know why I waited till the
age of thirty four, but I found myself powerless to
repress those urges anymore or uh during that time in
(12:02):
my life. And so it was like I had to
answer the call and believe it or not, I actually
had some other psychological issues going on. At one corner,
thought the angel lived there. I thought that the guy
was homeless. I thought I was. I thought that God
was using me to help him. Maybe I thought I was.
I thought I was helping him go to heaven and
get him off the streets. I thought I was. I
(12:22):
really honestly thought I was helping the guy. So when
I looked over there and just kind of looked around
the area, I know his broad with no wigga sees.
It was dark, nobody around, and so I checked the
fire arm, made sure it was loaded, and I just
walked up to him in cold blood, and I shot
him in in the torso area, in the chest. You
had to hit the ground face first. I stepped back,
(12:45):
I unloaded another round into the back of the skull.
I stepped back a few more entes and unloaded another
round into into his back, into his chor so and
and uh. And I stood there for a minute and
watched the blood pool in one start, sawing that the
blood was beginning to pull around his head. It was
like whatever it was inside of me, it was like
(13:06):
I was satisfying. I walked away and went up to
my hotel with me, fixed something to eat, and start
watching movies like I didn't even do that, And it
was crazy.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
It was crazy to me, But you had a high
from it, right that kind of just jazzed you up
for a little while.
Speaker 4 (13:22):
Yeah, A super adrenaline rush, meaning like had there been
other people around, Let's say, if they would have been
maybe several other people around here or something like that,
or the adrenaline rush that I experienced, I could have
I could have probably killed another ten or fifteen people
before I may have stopped. The slow down. It was,
(13:43):
it was. It was insane. It was definitely insanity because
it was a drunnin rush tick. All I could see
it was it was a blendlant she was. It was
somewhat of if you want to say high. Yeah, it
was like it was like a high. It was like
a blood blood blut's driven the drenaline rust type of
HETI drive me to. It's no telling how many more
people I would have could have killed.
Speaker 1 (14:05):
So, so aiman you're watching movies, are you thinking to yourself,
I can't believe I did that.
Speaker 4 (14:11):
Yeah, it was one night one of the victims. I
get it. And I wasn't leaving. I hadn't even gotten
back to the hotel room yet, feel and I had
gotten the way. I was on foot. So I was
on a mark train and I had just eskeeped me
to one of the Marty training stations, and I was
on the Marty trying and the gun was steal Walm
like steel Felder. He probably gone and side on my
bas and I couldn't believe. I was just like asking myself,
(14:34):
like what it like? Basically in my mind, I was like,
why Hill did you use little football? You need to stop?
Speaker 1 (14:42):
Cheryl and I were talking and we thought, if you
hadn't gotten caught, would you just would you just have
kept on doing this? I know it's hard to predict, Aimen,
would would you think you would have just kept on
the body count? Would have just risen?
Speaker 4 (14:54):
As much as I hate to be honest, to be
honest with you feel I think it was stealing a
great I still get a lot of potential for me
to continue to find myself going out doing that, or
it just I could have been hanging out with people
that are just an incident got into it with a person.
I was standing on the bus stop one time. Instead
(15:16):
line that the guy walked up to me asking me
about for a cigarette or something that had he acted
like he was gonna rob me and sucker, he didn't
know I was. I was armed, and so like a
situation like that, like if it would have been a
night like that, while I was standing on in gallery
like that. Even if he might have thought that he
was going to victimize me, I might have guessed. Even
(15:36):
the people to begin to walk away just caught up
with him and and and killed him. You see. So
I do think it was the potential was still there
for me to continue. And it's the course that's something
I never know because I got arrested. But I know
the day I got arrested, I was still carrying a
firearm and the ammunition. So as much as I knew
I should have stopped, and I wanted to stop and
(15:58):
get off that path, because I still had their gun.
I think that right there is like to me that
that's enough that I wasn't ready to I wasn't completely
done yet.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
I want you to explain your mindset, because you're one
of the best to explaining what were you thinking.
Speaker 4 (16:14):
I go to Wendy's near the hotel I'm staying. I'm
working washing dish is working at a catering copy and
I called Carol Parr's catering and I get off work
and I go to the windows around the corner front
of the hotel. When I get back to my hotel beside,
Hey I'm either go some windows and watch some movie
and you know, take a shower and get ready for
work the next day. I've already I've already heared the
(16:37):
people since I've been back in Atlanta from La E.
So maybe I need to be done with that. And
I'm thinking that's so over right. I'm thinking, you know,
let's try to focus back on working and getting back
to the stacking class, to the acting classes and things
like that. And I'm sitting here and I'm putting some
pepper on my French fries and ketch up on my
windy Scheberg and fries, and it's starting my shape, my
(17:01):
chattel acrossty or whatever. And I'm watching the movie three hundred,
a movie everybody loves, you know, if you like violence,
everybody loves three hundred and so I'm watching three hundred
and as I'm watching three hundred, just the blood, the
sound effects, the sounds, it was something about the founds
of the sword fighting, saying something about hearing the metal,
(17:21):
the sounds of the swords clanking together, and just constantly
hearing it, hearing it. And I'm eating my windy at
the same time, and I'm walking through hundreds and while
I'm eating my food, my physical food, my appetite for violence,
the movie three hundred, my appetite for violent is also
beginning to get weight, like beginning to come up. And
(17:45):
so basically, before I'm done eating the windy, before the
movie goes off, somewhere in my mind to where that
where their darkness was, where the violence was in my brain,
somewhere in my brain, it's like, Okay, I know in
the back of my mind, I'm getting ready to go
out and hunt or not. And that's what I did.
And so after the movie went where the movie was
(18:05):
still doing, I got up and kind of like ritualistically
got the gun, cleaned it off, washed my hands, put
on black clothing, put on a black hoodie. I even
prayed to God about what I was doing. I asked
God to forgive me. I told God, I'm sorry, I'm
a murderer. I'm sorry I had this sawing me. Can
you help me stop doing this? Whoever I killed, can
(18:27):
you let it be quick? In pants for him? And
I prayed for my victim before all and went out
to look. And then I left the hotel room and
went out, and I think that was the night I
found the gentleman in downtown of the under the blanket
you I might remember.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
In the viaduct.
Speaker 4 (18:46):
No, not that gentleman, the guy that was around the
corner from Peace tram Pile. Oh got you.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
Amen, I've got a question for you what you just said.
I mean, I agree with Phil. It's a very clear description.
And this is a question that I've always had that
I've never heard anybody ask. You talk about, you know,
the devil's adrenaline, and you talk about bloodlust, and you
(19:13):
talk about being ritualistic with it. How when you go
to prison do you not murder? Over and over and over.
Speaker 4 (19:22):
When I got arrested and I heard a guy say this,
I think it was a police officer who said this.
He said, Yo, all these people always go to prison,
and they go to prison, they somehow find God. They
go to prison and they get on the right path
when they go to prison, they want to be good. Now.
When the hat the day that the handcuffs got placed
on me, that was the it was like, that's when
(19:44):
I woke up like what the hell? It was almost like,
is if the terrible God in me to do that
stuff and to ruin my life instead of me pursuing
a professional acting career, and then the day the handcuffs
got on me, it's like almost like the devil lest me, Like, oh, well,
you brother, pushing rest of your lifetitude, your soul with you.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
Okay, the devil's work is done right, right, That's kind
of like.
Speaker 4 (20:05):
What it was like. Because and here's the thing, right,
I'm gonna be really I'm sim you know, I'm speaking
the truth when I say this. If I was a
marine right now, if I was in the Marine Corps
right now, I have no problem going overseas killing for
the country. I'll stopped at It's not that I don't steal.
(20:27):
It's not that I don't as a human being. It's
not that I don't I can't steal all. It's not
that I don't have the capacity to still take a life.
It's the way I was raised, Marxus, those guylan ambitions
and this place aggression, this place on ricist aggression. Like
(20:50):
had I been a marine, I've probably been a highly decorated,
decorative marine, many chills, and it have been honorable and
the country would have loved me, and it's something I
could have been proud of. And maybe y'all have got
out the Marines and been done with that. But I
was raised on a criminal path. It's the criminal part
about it. Then I'm done that I will never do again.
(21:12):
Like taking the life of a homeless man while he's speaking.
I couldn't see at the time that that's what's called
a dishonorable till all I could see was that I
want to achieve. But I couldn't see who I'm kimming
and why I'm kimming it's wrong until I came to prison.
So now if they came to me right now, I
(21:32):
don't mean if Trump wrote me, hey at the Marine
Corps wrote me a letter to just say, I am
impresident with If you go through a year overseas in
the Marine Corps and go through skills, will you will
let you out of prison? You can live in normal life.
I'd be more than happy to do so, because I
think I'd be great at But I think but I
(21:52):
would be doing that. I'm still capable of doing that,
but I would be doing it more and so because
just like I'm doing this, and if because more so,
I'm doing that to protect the country, to protect our
families and children. In love was here versus hurting ncent people,
which is criminal, which is troumorable, which is what I
(22:13):
was blinded to.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
I'm sitting here thinking for Benning trained you to kill,
and everybody's okay with that, But you training yourself to kill,
That's a whole different animal.
Speaker 4 (22:28):
And here's another thing. Being in prison the last ten towards,
these last eleven years that I've been gone, I've seen
enough bloodshed, stabbings, people getting killed, like almost what is
to the point where where your appetite can be can
(22:49):
be satiated? You get what I'm saying, like, I've had enough.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
Your last victim, you're walking around you almost killed, almost killed,
almost and you're killed. Your last fing was different than
all the others. Talk about that real quick.
Speaker 4 (23:03):
I do want to say these first, I'm not racist.
I'm an African American male. I get cheering us about race.
I really I don't understand racism thousands of heels ago,
one hundred years ago, whatever. But so I'm not racist.
I could care on us about that. All white people
have helped me, wanting black people have helped me and
and everything my life back. But I was going to
ask them and stuff like that. And so here's the thing.
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I was in l A one time and I was
committ in life for crime, and I was out one
night and I was looking to rob some people and
this and that in l A. And I got on
a bus and I heard two sisters on the bus say, yeah,
we uh we we ganged banging on each other. We
were we robbed to kill other. We don't go out
and uh, we don't go to the devil yeels. We
don't go to the white people area, and we don't
(23:47):
go out get u you know, uh rodeo and stuff
like that. And I was like, well, damn, I kind
of feel bad. And it's like I on a rock
and tell and I was like, well, I guess I'm
going to white head And it did. It wasn't that
I wanted to hurt white people. It's just I don't
want to hurn them all that people. I know it's wrong.
So here it is. Years later, I'll crime by into
(24:09):
we loanful and I find myself on a panth or
crime uh uh interested knowing I just wasn't enlightened enough
to do anything better, and so rial I am. I'm
looking for somebody. One night, I got a carrio on
more Me I'm looking for somebody. I need extra hundred
two hundred fifty dollars on a gum just I can
go take your money, you know, and uh turping me out.
(24:32):
I'm looking for a gentleman. I didn't believe it really
hurting women in the future. And so I'm not walking
through the downtown of the cater area when I'm on
the eastbound train and I'm thinking I'm gonna get off
in the Cato somewhere on the east the Ladder area,
and uh, the same way on wait, this is us now,
I hear sisters, So we blame females sign in la
on said black people with chillingch other. We we game
(24:53):
bang on each other. We hurt each other, but we
don't go to door veal, we don't go to done
with it. Well, we don't go to brook here. We
just hurt each other. And I was like, and that's
the second time I heard that in two different cities
on the toe out sides of the country. And I'll
begin to wonder, maybe guardian, baby, it's a guardian. Maybe
I'm supposed to be a Maybe I'm supposed to take
on robin hood and tall me. But it made me
(25:15):
feel like, okay, well, I don't want to rob and
kill it anymore. I hurt anymore black people. If I'm
going to do this, I'm not gonna do it to
my own people. I guess I'll go in the white community,
go in the white area, and find somebody white rock.
And so I got off him downtown to Kaga and
that decay the train station. I was walking through the
cake when I did the older white gentleman walking walking
coming from one of the bars from downtown decayed. They
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got a lot of I used to go in fee
those bars and drink, and he looked like he probably
grove a nice car. I had a real money in
the pocket and I had the fire on one, and
I will be honest, I did plan the rock one,
planning to chill now.
Speaker 5 (25:50):
Once I saw him, I was like, okay, on points,
I'm gonna get him. I'm gonna seduce him once I
get the money, then I'm gonna unload the revolt into
his head.
Speaker 4 (26:01):
And he was like I had to do that part too.
I was still like kind of sick, and so as
I was fallowing behind him, I was trying to catch
up with him. He escaped into a parking garage, well,
the parking guards in the downtown, the cater area, and
so I didn't think it was a good idea to
follow behind him because of the lights in Tropert Town.
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So he got away and he got his car. I
guess he went home. So I can see him walking
around downtown to Canada looking for somebody to rob it
before a victory went home and I saw, uh this
treers the victim and last dicking in my case. I
saw her walking down the street on beautiful white he man.
You know, he's walking down the street. And the first
(26:43):
thing that crossed my mind is I saw her walking
in my direction and I'm walking in her direction. It's
like she doesn't see me. I had on all black,
it was jogged course on Curdis ship. She didn't see
me till I got close. But I told myself in
my mind, I said, okay, I told myself I was
going through rob her. But I told myself not to
cure her because she was a woman. I really didn't
(27:04):
believe I heard the when tilS it. So I said,
I'm a little robber because she's white, that I'm not
gonna kill her because she's a woman. And so I
approached her. She saw me when I when I got close,
she pulled her. She was very brave. The woman was
super break She pulled the car keys out. I thought
she had a knife at first. First I thought she
had a gun. Then I thought it was a knight.
I saw some car keys and she said, what do
(27:26):
you want? Yeah, really aggressive like I've seen men buncle.
Indeed more candice than that. She was literally brave. And
so when I pulled the gun out, of course there's
a woman. She sees this food, the big, big gun,
and of course they kind of deterred her. So I
was like, get on ground right now. She got on
the deal, co operate and I told her to give
me a whandy. She gets, give me a whanded. And
(27:49):
I was getting up to walk away from her. I
did not premeditate or planet to to work. And I
got up and began to walk away, and just on
my amfuse, just I just turned around. The shot in
the chest and when I hear the kind of gun
I had as a four or five revolver with hollow
point rhymes drowns on hollow point, powerful revolval. The round
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went through her, through her, through her, courts, over area
they say one through her art came out of her back,
make God forgive me. But she she didn't even die
right away like the other victims died like right away.
She didn't even die right away. She just looked down.
She clinched her stomach and she looked down. She was like,
oh my God, and she looked back up at me
with the eye contact. She's just looking at me like,
(28:35):
oh my god, right, did you just shoot me? And
then she just kept looking at me like oh my God.
And I just walked away, like the coward I was
the night. I just walked away and I didn't realize
that though. I just walked away, and I just heard
her say oh my God through more frank times, and then,
you know, like the last time, oh my God, deep
with my heart. I began to get sick at the stomach.
(28:58):
I began to get noncious. I started to throw well
because I knew, sure did I knew I had just
killed woman flip first woman, and I didn't believe in that.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
Hey, amen, I want to cut you off just for
a second, So I'm just going to conclude this part.
Don't go anywhere, Aman Pressley, Thank you so much for
your open and honest, just assessment of what happened in
your life. I appreciate it. I just know you're going
(29:29):
to be able to help people what you and feel
are doing your training law enforcement, and that's going to
help prevent and detect some of these crimes. So thank
you again, and I am going to end Zone seven
the way that I always do with a quote it
takes a village to raise a child. Well, the village
(29:49):
that raised me were criminals, gang bangers, killers and murderers.
Amen Presley, serial killer. I'm Cheryl a column and this
is Zone seven. Mm hmm
We got a call right here at Hey. Amen, you there?
How are you, buddy? We're on the phone with Cheryl.
Cheryl's a friend of mine and she lives What city
do you live in?
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Atlanta?
Speaker 3 (00:18):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (00:19):
She's in Atlanta.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
Where did you live in Atlanta area? Where'd you live?
Speaker 4 (00:22):
I lived all over in Lanta growing up here in Atlanta.
Was living in the East Atlanta area. Today I was arrested, okay?
Speaker 1 (00:30):
And where were your murders? That were Were they in
the city of Atlanta or another city?
Speaker 4 (00:35):
One of them was in in Alasta, No, getting to
be cater. One was in the Stone Mountain, Georgia, And
actually another one was also in Downside at Lato.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Two were definitely in Atlanta, I know that Atlanta.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
One in Decatur, one in Stone Mountain.
Speaker 4 (00:52):
You broke up just for a minute. I knew what that.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
You sound better now?
Speaker 2 (00:56):
And Decatur and Stone Mountain or in the same county.
So that's why he would go to the Camp County court.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
So, Cheryl, do you want to ask I'm in questions
or do you want me to interview? How do you
want to do this?
Speaker 2 (01:08):
Either way, it's fine with me. I just can he
hear me? Because I can hear him?
Speaker 4 (01:12):
Beautiful work?
Speaker 2 (01:13):
Can you hear, Cheryl Amen? I just want to tell
you personally how much I appreciate this and the detective
that interviewed you for six hours. Detective David Quinn is
a friend of mine, and about seven point thirty he's
going to call in too, And I don't think the
two of y'all have spoken since the interview. Correct, that's correct, Okay,
(01:34):
But he is a super nice guy, and you know,
I know that he just wants to talk to you,
and you know you can talk back to him and
just talk about that night that he interviewed you and
how your life is going now and what you're trying
to do to help people. But I just again, I'm
Cheryl and my friends call me Mack, But I just
wanted to tell you I appreciate what you're doing. It
(01:57):
just I think is going to be an credible just
not just an episode on a podcast. I think it's
bigger than that. I think you've got information people need
to hear. And I'm just grateful and I just wanted
you to know that.
Speaker 4 (02:12):
And I'm glad thank you for sharing it with me,
and I'm glad that I could be of assistance. And
since I behind the scenes of the chrimes that I've
committed in my life, I do try to do the
right thing with my life. I did try to seak
a professional path other than a crime and violence soul.
I'm glad that I can help the world to be
(02:33):
a better place if we can learn about violence than
it to help the world to be less violent.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
Well aiming, Presley, I tell you if you would just
tell us a little bit about your childhood, tell us
a little bit about how you grew up, and then
we'll just go from there when you got into acting,
and then what happened when you moved back to Atlanta
from La Okay.
Speaker 4 (02:54):
When I was born, I grew up in Chicago, Inner
City of Chicago, on the South side of Chicago. I
grew up in a populous home. My father wasn't there.
I was an angler child. My mother was a single parrot.
She had to work all the time, so basically she
didn't know what to do. She with the with an
only boy. She did the best she could. All she
(03:16):
be with poor love on me, so she wasn't you know,
she trying to raise me the best she could. She
get the best she could pay going over without a father,
with a home, or no other male influences around other
than the gang wobers or the drug dealers. That's who
I frought to so at a young age. At the
age of twelve, I was learning how to sell drugs.
(03:36):
Age of twelve, I was learning how to carry guns.
At the age of thirteen, I was joining the gag.
At the age of of thirteen fourteen, I was seating guns,
and I was already a cringle. It's like I was
dinged before I even had a chance to get started
a lot. That's the path I found myself on in
order to try to save my life. My mother after
(03:57):
a visit to Atlanta, the busy family members here, my
mother decide that Atlanta might I might have a better
chance of making in the life if we moved to it.
So Atlanta was jangland now, but back in the nineties,
Atlanta was not so much of a gang land. I'll
sleep in Chicago, coming here, she thought that would be better.
But when we first moved down here, I actually got works.
(04:18):
I wasn't gang banging, but crime is everywhere, So I
just gravitated toward the criminal elegent down here in Atlanta, Georgia,
and I didn't finish high school. I did barely to
just keep my ged. But as a teenager, I was,
you know, coming crimes. And I was never like a
grown man, like a cowboy in a wild, wild West,
(04:39):
and it was it was all I knew. I didn't
I didn't know anything else, but it was nothing else
given to me but that and so. But in my
late teams, my mother black sick. We moved around Atlanta,
hang it up in a lot of programs, a lot
of reentry programs, a lot of programs bubble you. And
somewhere in my late teens, I got my ged. OH
tried to Jordan Marines. I should have been. I think
(05:00):
I would have been in Great Marine, but that didn't
work out. I johined the military and I was about
charge from the United States on Force working honorable discharge
under something called a psychotic personality. Before that was when
I was twenty. I didn't think it was seriously at
the time, but I know I've wrestled with demons and
fires all of my life. Well now, I tried to
(05:22):
suppress them, request some hold them back, and I tried
to live a good life. But I guess what was
in me just abruptly and it had to come out
soon or later. So I found myself in my early
mid late twenties on the path of for suing an
acting career in Atlanta. I actually took a class with
Atlanta top acting school called Your Act Camera Acting Class.
(05:43):
I was signed with one of atlanta top agencies called
Hot in time. UH. That afforded me an opportunity to
play the role of FoST natural ABC to what would
you do? Some people may be familiar with that. I
did a Popwave's chicken commercial. I was on BT on
Tiny and Toy. I'm the Ilum for those who were
familiar with the rapper Ti that's his wife and all
(06:04):
her friends. So I was on their TV show I
think I did. It was an Xbox either a PlayStation
video game commercial. They found the Downtown Atlanta and some
other no flexic films. But I was getting my feet
wet and I felt like I was ready to go
to La, you know, Hollywood, and take it to the
next level. And I went out there and La it
was more coqual competitive or harder to find a job
(06:27):
just and that's where I kind of faltered because I
ended up turning to what I knew, which was a
likeul crime was basically selling little bit, draw selling little bit.
We just trying to survive, pay for acting classes, play
for head shots photos so that I wouldn't have to
be a criminal. I really wanted to live a professional
righteous like, but I ended up having children in LA
(06:48):
and I kind of kind of lost focus. So I
just wasn't making it out there, and I just decided
to come back to Atlanta for a fresh start. So
I returned to Atlanta in twenty fourteen. At this point,
I was eighty four years, was all living life and
then done some things, and so I was just to
be turning to a lot of to try to pick
the acting corect actings rings back up and without any
(07:09):
money and having to start over. I ended up having
to get a job washing dishes here, washing dishes there,
and you know, working somewhere like that as a grown man,
eight dollars an hour to get talked to lfe right
with no respect. It just you very degrade, and it
was it's hard for me worked out. It's got a
pew fights with the guys there about uh, just my
(07:29):
work and thinking this and that and and so I
just quick and I just quit one day. And when
I quit, I stepped out on all in the downtown,
and Lana and I looked left, I look right, And
because I was raised in a life of crime, it
was just all too famili. They talk about criminal under
(07:50):
criminal insanity, and I heard a criminologists say in a book,
a criminologist explain that, you know, when we exposed to
a night of crime, you accept it over time. And
so then this is what I was exposed to a
young age. At a young age, I guess I never
saw the difference between right and wrong, why as cooly
as I do now, And so it was just all
(08:11):
too easy for me to decide, Hey, I buy some
guns and Robert Armor truck. I buy some guns and
rob a bank. And so that's what I did. I
bought some guns. But the problem was that I forgot
all about my things that I'll wrestle with. I forgot
that there was just like a movie Chucky with the
dog Chucky dot. I forgot that there was, if the
(08:33):
best way I can explain it to this day, when
I look back, I forgot that there was a killer
living inside me, the demon, the devil, whatever it was,
something that just wanted blood, and and I forgot all
about that. I was thinking about money and the acting career.
But once I bought the gun and I got back
(08:54):
to a hotel room off standing, it wasn't long. I
actually looked at one of the guns, and right then
and there, in that moment, it was like, uh, it
was like that the demon or they killed, or the
lid aside, whatever I was possessed with, just like took
over and my mind shifted from money to just sheer murder.
(09:19):
And so I found myself going out at night looking
for people to kill. And I turned down that path
on folence and murder. And I didn't get off that
path completely until they until the day I was arrested
after the UH. After the UH, I was after the murders.
I commit that that that that I'm doing time for.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
Now, can you tell us a little bit about the murders?
Speaker 4 (09:50):
What would you like to know, like exactly what?
Speaker 1 (09:52):
Well?
Speaker 2 (09:53):
I understand that you had a gun and you were
looking for somebody to rob, but then you noticed a
man smoking crack at the old came heart and in
an instant you switched from wanting money to I'm gonna
kill this person.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
So so so aiman, let me ask you a quick question.
How much time do you have tonight? How long can
you be on that phone.
Speaker 4 (10:15):
I can be on full, I can be on for
a while.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
Amen, Tell tell them. Tell Tell the story how you
were in your in your apartment and you were watching
a movie and eating some food. Just kind of tell
that whole story when it first clicked on you. That's
what she's asking, like, when you decided, like I'm not
going to rob someone, I'm gonna kill someone, Go ahead
and start that story of what happened.
Speaker 4 (10:34):
Oh, well, there was a night I was actually on
I had I was armed by a had a gun
I was I was actually supposed to be robbing a
dollar store in the Stone Mountain area, and I had
cased the place earlier that day and I planned to
rob the place that night. I just wanted the money
one pay pemo, rent past acting clothes to get a car.
And later on in night, I got to saying from
(10:56):
the dollar store in th card Storm Mountain and it
didn't go as public because it was a little too dark.
I wasn't about to get away. I just went through
about a lot of factories, and so I was getting
ready to head up to where I was staying at
the head back to the hotel, and I just.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
Happened to look over in an abandoned Kmark entrance, and
I just happened to notice that there was a gentleman
over there drinking alcohol and smoking crack cocaine, and just
out of nowhere, my mind shifted from thinking about money
to just I just found myself experiencing these cravings again to.
Speaker 4 (11:39):
Want to kill it. And I wrestled with that my
whole life. This is while discharged from the military with
U It's called a psychic personality disorder. And so I
found myself wrestling with this my whole like and it
was like, I don't know why I waited till the
age of thirty four, but I found myself powerless to
repress those urges anymore or uh during that time in
(12:02):
my life. And so it was like I had to
answer the call and believe it or not, I actually
had some other psychological issues going on. At one corner,
thought the angel lived there. I thought that the guy
was homeless. I thought I was. I thought that God
was using me to help him. Maybe I thought I was.
I thought I was helping him go to heaven and
get him off the streets. I thought I was. I
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really honestly thought I was helping the guy. So when
I looked over there and just kind of looked around
the area, I know his broad with no wigga sees.
It was dark, nobody around, and so I checked the
fire arm, made sure it was loaded, and I just
walked up to him in cold blood, and I shot
him in in the torso area, in the chest. You
had to hit the ground face first. I stepped back,
(12:45):
I unloaded another round into the back of the skull.
I stepped back a few more entes and unloaded another
round into into his back, into his chor so and
and uh. And I stood there for a minute and
watched the blood pool in one start, sawing that the
blood was beginning to pull around his head. It was
like whatever it was inside of me, it was like
(13:06):
I was satisfying. I walked away and went up to
my hotel with me, fixed something to eat, and start
watching movies like I didn't even do that, And it
was crazy.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
It was crazy to me, But you had a high
from it, right that kind of just jazzed you up
for a little while.
Speaker 4 (13:22):
Yeah, A super adrenaline rush, meaning like had there been
other people around, Let's say, if they would have been
maybe several other people around here or something like that,
or the adrenaline rush that I experienced, I could have
I could have probably killed another ten or fifteen people
before I may have stopped. The slow down. It was,
(13:43):
it was. It was insane. It was definitely insanity because
it was a drunnin rush tick. All I could see
it was it was a blendlant she was. It was
somewhat of if you want to say high. Yeah, it
was like it was like a high. It was like
a blood blood blut's driven the drenaline rust type of
HETI drive me to. It's no telling how many more
people I would have could have killed.
Speaker 1 (14:05):
So, so aiman you're watching movies, are you thinking to yourself,
I can't believe I did that.
Speaker 4 (14:11):
Yeah, it was one night one of the victims. I
get it. And I wasn't leaving. I hadn't even gotten
back to the hotel room yet, feel and I had
gotten the way. I was on foot. So I was
on a mark train and I had just eskeeped me
to one of the Marty training stations, and I was
on the Marty trying and the gun was steal Walm
like steel Felder. He probably gone and side on my
bas and I couldn't believe. I was just like asking myself,
(14:34):
like what it like? Basically in my mind, I was like,
why Hill did you use little football? You need to stop?
Speaker 1 (14:42):
Cheryl and I were talking and we thought, if you
hadn't gotten caught, would you just would you just have
kept on doing this? I know it's hard to predict, Aimen,
would would you think you would have just kept on
the body count? Would have just risen?
Speaker 4 (14:54):
As much as I hate to be honest, to be
honest with you feel I think it was stealing a
great I still get a lot of potential for me
to continue to find myself going out doing that, or
it just I could have been hanging out with people
that are just an incident got into it with a person.
I was standing on the bus stop one time. Instead
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line that the guy walked up to me asking me
about for a cigarette or something that had he acted
like he was gonna rob me and sucker, he didn't
know I was. I was armed, and so like a
situation like that, like if it would have been a
night like that, while I was standing on in gallery
like that. Even if he might have thought that he
was going to victimize me, I might have guessed. Even
(15:36):
the people to begin to walk away just caught up
with him and and and killed him. You see. So
I do think it was the potential was still there
for me to continue. And it's the course that's something
I never know because I got arrested. But I know
the day I got arrested, I was still carrying a
firearm and the ammunition. So as much as I knew
I should have stopped, and I wanted to stop and
(15:58):
get off that path, because I still had their gun.
I think that right there is like to me that
that's enough that I wasn't ready to I wasn't completely
done yet.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
I want you to explain your mindset, because you're one
of the best to explaining what were you thinking.
Speaker 4 (16:14):
I go to Wendy's near the hotel I'm staying. I'm
working washing dish is working at a catering copy and
I called Carol Parr's catering and I get off work
and I go to the windows around the corner front
of the hotel. When I get back to my hotel beside,
Hey I'm either go some windows and watch some movie
and you know, take a shower and get ready for
work the next day. I've already I've already heared the
(16:37):
people since I've been back in Atlanta from La E.
So maybe I need to be done with that. And
I'm thinking that's so over right. I'm thinking, you know,
let's try to focus back on working and getting back
to the stacking class, to the acting classes and things
like that. And I'm sitting here and I'm putting some
pepper on my French fries and ketch up on my
windy Scheberg and fries, and it's starting my shape, my
(17:01):
chattel acrossty or whatever. And I'm watching the movie three hundred,
a movie everybody loves, you know, if you like violence,
everybody loves three hundred and so I'm watching three hundred
and as I'm watching three hundred, just the blood, the
sound effects, the sounds, it was something about the founds
of the sword fighting, saying something about hearing the metal,
(17:21):
the sounds of the swords clanking together, and just constantly
hearing it, hearing it. And I'm eating my windy at
the same time, and I'm walking through hundreds and while
I'm eating my food, my physical food, my appetite for violence,
the movie three hundred, my appetite for violent is also
beginning to get weight, like beginning to come up. And
(17:45):
so basically, before I'm done eating the windy, before the
movie goes off, somewhere in my mind to where that
where their darkness was, where the violence was in my brain,
somewhere in my brain, it's like, Okay, I know in
the back of my mind, I'm getting ready to go
out and hunt or not. And that's what I did.
And so after the movie went where the movie was
(18:05):
still doing, I got up and kind of like ritualistically
got the gun, cleaned it off, washed my hands, put
on black clothing, put on a black hoodie. I even
prayed to God about what I was doing. I asked
God to forgive me. I told God, I'm sorry, I'm
a murderer. I'm sorry I had this sawing me. Can
you help me stop doing this? Whoever I killed, can
(18:27):
you let it be quick? In pants for him? And
I prayed for my victim before all and went out
to look. And then I left the hotel room and
went out, and I think that was the night I
found the gentleman in downtown of the under the blanket
you I might remember.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
In the viaduct.
Speaker 4 (18:46):
No, not that gentleman, the guy that was around the
corner from Peace tram Pile. Oh got you.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
Amen, I've got a question for you what you just said.
I mean, I agree with Phil. It's a very clear description.
And this is a question that I've always had that
I've never heard anybody ask. You talk about, you know,
the devil's adrenaline, and you talk about bloodlust, and you
(19:13):
talk about being ritualistic with it. How when you go
to prison do you not murder? Over and over and over.
Speaker 4 (19:22):
When I got arrested and I heard a guy say this,
I think it was a police officer who said this.
He said, Yo, all these people always go to prison,
and they go to prison, they somehow find God. They
go to prison and they get on the right path
when they go to prison, they want to be good. Now.
When the hat the day that the handcuffs got placed
on me, that was the it was like, that's when
(19:44):
I woke up like what the hell? It was almost like,
is if the terrible God in me to do that
stuff and to ruin my life instead of me pursuing
a professional acting career, and then the day the handcuffs
got on me, it's like almost like the devil lest me, Like, oh, well,
you brother, pushing rest of your lifetitude, your soul with you.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
Okay, the devil's work is done right, right, That's kind
of like.
Speaker 4 (20:05):
What it was like. Because and here's the thing, right,
I'm gonna be really I'm sim you know, I'm speaking
the truth when I say this. If I was a
marine right now, if I was in the Marine Corps
right now, I have no problem going overseas killing for
the country. I'll stopped at It's not that I don't steal.
(20:27):
It's not that I don't as a human being. It's
not that I don't I can't steal all. It's not
that I don't have the capacity to still take a life.
It's the way I was raised, Marxus, those guylan ambitions
and this place aggression, this place on ricist aggression. Like
(20:50):
had I been a marine, I've probably been a highly decorated,
decorative marine, many chills, and it have been honorable and
the country would have loved me, and it's something I
could have been proud of. And maybe y'all have got
out the Marines and been done with that. But I
was raised on a criminal path. It's the criminal part
about it. Then I'm done that I will never do again.
(21:12):
Like taking the life of a homeless man while he's speaking.
I couldn't see at the time that that's what's called
a dishonorable till all I could see was that I
want to achieve. But I couldn't see who I'm kimming
and why I'm kimming it's wrong until I came to prison.
So now if they came to me right now, I
(21:32):
don't mean if Trump wrote me, hey at the Marine
Corps wrote me a letter to just say, I am
impresident with If you go through a year overseas in
the Marine Corps and go through skills, will you will
let you out of prison? You can live in normal life.
I'd be more than happy to do so, because I
think I'd be great at But I think but I
(21:52):
would be doing that. I'm still capable of doing that,
but I would be doing it more and so because
just like I'm doing this, and if because more so,
I'm doing that to protect the country, to protect our
families and children. In love was here versus hurting ncent people,
which is criminal, which is troumorable, which is what I
(22:13):
was blinded to.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
I'm sitting here thinking for Benning trained you to kill,
and everybody's okay with that, But you training yourself to kill,
That's a whole different animal.
Speaker 4 (22:28):
And here's another thing. Being in prison the last ten towards,
these last eleven years that I've been gone, I've seen
enough bloodshed, stabbings, people getting killed, like almost what is
to the point where where your appetite can be can
(22:49):
be satiated? You get what I'm saying, like, I've had enough.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
Your last victim, you're walking around you almost killed, almost killed,
almost and you're killed. Your last fing was different than
all the others. Talk about that real quick.
Speaker 4 (23:03):
I do want to say these first, I'm not racist.
I'm an African American male. I get cheering us about race.
I really I don't understand racism thousands of heels ago,
one hundred years ago, whatever. But so I'm not racist.
I could care on us about that. All white people
have helped me, wanting black people have helped me and
and everything my life back. But I was going to
ask them and stuff like that. And so here's the thing.
(23:25):
I was in l A one time and I was
committ in life for crime, and I was out one
night and I was looking to rob some people and
this and that in l A. And I got on
a bus and I heard two sisters on the bus say, yeah,
we uh we we ganged banging on each other. We
were we robbed to kill other. We don't go out
and uh, we don't go to the devil yeels. We
don't go to the white people area, and we don't
(23:47):
go out get u you know, uh rodeo and stuff
like that. And I was like, well, damn, I kind
of feel bad. And it's like I on a rock
and tell and I was like, well, I guess I'm
going to white head And it did. It wasn't that
I wanted to hurt white people. It's just I don't
want to hurn them all that people. I know it's wrong.
So here it is. Years later, I'll crime by into
(24:09):
we loanful and I find myself on a panth or
crime uh uh interested knowing I just wasn't enlightened enough
to do anything better, and so rial I am. I'm
looking for somebody. One night, I got a carrio on
more Me I'm looking for somebody. I need extra hundred
two hundred fifty dollars on a gum just I can
go take your money, you know, and uh turping me out.
(24:32):
I'm looking for a gentleman. I didn't believe it really
hurting women in the future. And so I'm not walking
through the downtown of the cater area when I'm on
the eastbound train and I'm thinking I'm gonna get off
in the Cato somewhere on the east the Ladder area,
and uh, the same way on wait, this is us now,
I hear sisters, So we blame females sign in la
on said black people with chillingch other. We we game
(24:53):
bang on each other. We hurt each other, but we
don't go to door veal, we don't go to done
with it. Well, we don't go to brook here. We
just hurt each other. And I was like, and that's
the second time I heard that in two different cities
on the toe out sides of the country. And I'll
begin to wonder, maybe guardian, baby, it's a guardian. Maybe
I'm supposed to be a Maybe I'm supposed to take
on robin hood and tall me. But it made me
(25:15):
feel like, okay, well, I don't want to rob and
kill it anymore. I hurt anymore black people. If I'm
going to do this, I'm not gonna do it to
my own people. I guess I'll go in the white community,
go in the white area, and find somebody white rock.
And so I got off him downtown to Kaga and
that decay the train station. I was walking through the
cake when I did the older white gentleman walking walking
coming from one of the bars from downtown decayed. They
(25:37):
got a lot of I used to go in fee
those bars and drink, and he looked like he probably
grove a nice car. I had a real money in
the pocket and I had the fire on one, and
I will be honest, I did plan the rock one,
planning to chill now.
Speaker 5 (25:50):
Once I saw him, I was like, okay, on points,
I'm gonna get him. I'm gonna seduce him once I
get the money, then I'm gonna unload the revolt into
his head.
Speaker 4 (26:01):
And he was like I had to do that part too.
I was still like kind of sick, and so as
I was fallowing behind him, I was trying to catch
up with him. He escaped into a parking garage, well,
the parking guards in the downtown, the cater area, and
so I didn't think it was a good idea to
follow behind him because of the lights in Tropert Town.
(26:22):
So he got away and he got his car. I
guess he went home. So I can see him walking
around downtown to Canada looking for somebody to rob it
before a victory went home and I saw, uh this
treers the victim and last dicking in my case. I
saw her walking down the street on beautiful white he man.
You know, he's walking down the street. And the first
(26:43):
thing that crossed my mind is I saw her walking
in my direction and I'm walking in her direction. It's
like she doesn't see me. I had on all black,
it was jogged course on Curdis ship. She didn't see
me till I got close. But I told myself in
my mind, I said, okay, I told myself I was
going through rob her. But I told myself not to
cure her because she was a woman. I really didn't
(27:04):
believe I heard the when tilS it. So I said,
I'm a little robber because she's white, that I'm not
gonna kill her because she's a woman. And so I
approached her. She saw me when I when I got close,
she pulled her. She was very brave. The woman was
super break She pulled the car keys out. I thought
she had a knife at first. First I thought she
had a gun. Then I thought it was a knight.
I saw some car keys and she said, what do
(27:26):
you want? Yeah, really aggressive like I've seen men buncle.
Indeed more candice than that. She was literally brave. And
so when I pulled the gun out, of course there's
a woman. She sees this food, the big, big gun,
and of course they kind of deterred her. So I
was like, get on ground right now. She got on
the deal, co operate and I told her to give
me a whandy. She gets, give me a whanded. And
(27:49):
I was getting up to walk away from her. I
did not premeditate or planet to to work. And I
got up and began to walk away, and just on
my amfuse, just I just turned around. The shot in
the chest and when I hear the kind of gun
I had as a four or five revolver with hollow
point rhymes drowns on hollow point, powerful revolval. The round
(28:15):
went through her, through her, through her, courts, over area
they say one through her art came out of her back,
make God forgive me. But she she didn't even die
right away like the other victims died like right away.
She didn't even die right away. She just looked down.
She clinched her stomach and she looked down. She was like,
oh my God, and she looked back up at me
with the eye contact. She's just looking at me like,
(28:35):
oh my god, right, did you just shoot me? And
then she just kept looking at me like oh my God.
And I just walked away, like the coward I was
the night. I just walked away and I didn't realize
that though. I just walked away, and I just heard
her say oh my God through more frank times, and then,
you know, like the last time, oh my God, deep
with my heart. I began to get sick at the stomach.
(28:58):
I began to get noncious. I started to throw well
because I knew, sure did I knew I had just
killed woman flip first woman, and I didn't believe in that.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
Hey, amen, I want to cut you off just for
a second, So I'm just going to conclude this part.
Don't go anywhere, Aman Pressley, Thank you so much for
your open and honest, just assessment of what happened in
your life. I appreciate it. I just know you're going
(29:29):
to be able to help people what you and feel
are doing your training law enforcement, and that's going to
help prevent and detect some of these crimes. So thank
you again, and I am going to end Zone seven
the way that I always do with a quote it
takes a village to raise a child. Well, the village
(29:49):
that raised me were criminals, gang bangers, killers and murderers.
Amen Presley, serial killer. I'm Cheryl a column and this
is Zone seven. Mm hmm
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