Take It Personal (General Steele Interview)

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:00):
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Speaker 3 (00:01):
What's what up?

Speaker 4 (00:02):
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Speaker 9 (00:36):
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Speaker 3 (00:44):
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Speaker 6 (01:05):
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Speaker 2 (01:05):
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Speaker 11 (01:07):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (01:08):
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Speaker 2 (01:08):
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Speaker 5 (01:08):
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Speaker 1 (01:09):
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Speaker 6 (01:12):
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Speaker 3 (01:13):
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Rising thirty Vince down and trading with them to let
you know you need to take it personally, take it personally,
ran man, and we end up doing it.

Speaker 5 (01:23):
Be yo, what's up?

Speaker 4 (01:26):
This is being real and you're blazing out to take
it personal.

Speaker 1 (01:31):
Hip hop the way it should be.

Speaker 5 (01:33):
Keep it right there. The best in hip hop, hip
hop been in that fly ship. You heard hip hop
stayed winning? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, there is finally what's up?

Speaker 12 (01:52):
Still?

Speaker 2 (01:54):
Hey, Hey, I don't know who wrong? I would.

Speaker 5 (01:57):
It was a different one.

Speaker 2 (02:01):
What's going on?

Speaker 5 (02:02):
How you feel?

Speaker 8 (02:03):
Who are you doing?

Speaker 2 (02:04):
Man?

Speaker 5 (02:05):
Good man? This is your what your first night off?
In a minute?

Speaker 8 (02:09):
Yeah, one might say if you could call this off.

Speaker 5 (02:14):
But you see him chilling. I mean it's sound like
it's a it's a good night.

Speaker 2 (02:19):
Yeah, I mean yeah, it's a great night. Actually a
lot of good things been happening, so that's always good
for energy. And I took a grown man that a
couple of hours ago. Oh there you go in l
a time a little bit.

Speaker 5 (02:34):
Uh yeah, that's that will do it to you.

Speaker 8 (02:37):
Like I'm I'm in a jet lag denial.

Speaker 5 (02:41):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 8 (02:43):
But yeah, I caught me.

Speaker 6 (02:45):
You guys probably don't do interviews this late, right, I mean,
if you're doing the interviews typically probably during the day.

Speaker 5 (02:52):
Oh you got a bulb effect mug.

Speaker 10 (02:54):
Absolutely, it's like talking dirty to him.

Speaker 11 (02:58):
Show showing me your beer Bob Effect collection.

Speaker 8 (03:01):
Oh whoa, Okay, he.

Speaker 10 (03:08):
Hasn't been out of the house much.

Speaker 2 (03:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (03:10):
No, I'm a nerd when it comes to Star Wars, man,
I'm an og and and.

Speaker 2 (03:16):
It would be teasing me because somebody stole my Millennium
Falcon when I was a kid, Like, how do you
still a Millennium Falcon?

Speaker 10 (03:24):
I hate when that happens.

Speaker 2 (03:29):
It's huge, going, like how do you as a kid,
how do you get that?

Speaker 6 (03:35):
It's like three ft wide? How does someone get that
out of the house.

Speaker 2 (03:39):
I just said, you know what, I had to like
just say, I can't. I had to back away, man,
because once my Millennium was going. Man, I'm like, damn,
I had a nice collection man, everything Orlando kay Rizzi
and gone, everything going, man. I had you know, you
learn you learn some hard truths as a child.

Speaker 11 (03:57):
Yeah, Hey, I I fucking reak created the whole scene
of this of that silark Pitma or with the monster
that ate the Gamorian Guard and I stuck my Gamorian
Guard figure into that monster guy and I never got
it out.

Speaker 6 (04:15):
I would have never paid you as a Star Wars fanatic, like, like, honestly,
I'm learning something new and I thought I'm known a
decent amount of you know about you guys, But you
was a Star Wars dude. No, never would have guessed it.

Speaker 2 (04:28):
Star Wars dude. I was a treky by default. Really yeah,
I'm still a trecky. I you know, I'll be binge
watching Star Wars Center Google, Like, yo, what is the
stupid boy stuff?

Speaker 8 (04:41):
I love all that man. I had to active figures
all of that stuff.

Speaker 6 (04:44):
Did you did you catch the Book of Boba Fat
when it came out?

Speaker 8 (04:48):
No, I told you. I was traumatized this. I lost my.

Speaker 6 (04:52):
Oh so you so you haven't seen the shows on
Disney Plus now I.

Speaker 2 (04:56):
Have been watching him. I happened. I started watching The Mandalorian.
But yeah, yeah, I don't know. I'll probably get back
into it. It's kind of crazy for you so much
going on.

Speaker 6 (05:07):
That's a nice little like man cave you got there,
you got like a secret door you got.

Speaker 10 (05:11):
You it's the pocket door. That's just from like the seventies.

Speaker 2 (05:15):
I love that you think is no it's no no lock,
no lock.

Speaker 12 (05:21):
You got it set up in a way where it
looks like the background when they're talking to the ESPN
NFL reporter.

Speaker 3 (05:30):
Right there.

Speaker 2 (05:31):
I was dope.

Speaker 6 (05:32):
So, I mean, we see your album? What else do
you have it back there? I'm trying to see you
got like a mallet or something on that shelf.

Speaker 2 (05:39):
This belongs to my to my best friend. One of
my best friend's name is Kenneth J. Montgomery. He's an
attorney right now, I have of practice actually, and he
used to work with the DA and all that stuff.
But this is when he graduated and he gave this
to me. I'm like, I said, bro, aren't you supposed

(05:59):
to keep it? Like it's like your thing that he
gave it to me?

Speaker 5 (06:03):
And you know, yeah, still those are books.

Speaker 6 (06:08):
I'm just trying to like kind of get an idea
of what what do we got going on?

Speaker 10 (06:11):
Is that a mag on the top right.

Speaker 8 (06:13):
It's a little bit of everything. This is uh you said, top.

Speaker 10 (06:17):
Right, yeah, next to uh, next to the record.

Speaker 2 (06:20):
Oh, this is this is my book actually a book.
Oh yeah, I published a book.

Speaker 8 (06:27):
Uh, what years this twenty twelve.

Speaker 2 (06:30):
It came out last year. I did a I did
a jack of like like uh Tupac's Rode from Concrete.
So I had a like over the years I was collecting,
I was doing loosely writing poetry, and I shall say
poetry loosely because.

Speaker 8 (06:50):
It was just stuff that I was writing aside from
the rap.

Speaker 2 (06:54):
And you know, I just decided like I wanted to
do a book. And initially I was like, you know,
I want to do it like autobiography. Then I started
writing autobiography and I was like, oh man, this is
this is this hard coret It's hard, it's tough. I said,
let me take them into poetry and see if I could,
you know, do a collective and just warm it up.

Speaker 8 (07:14):
So this is what I got.

Speaker 2 (07:16):
Nice.

Speaker 10 (07:16):
I always say, we got one good book in us
about our lives. If you can do more than one,
your talented, yeah you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (07:24):
Taking that nice crap, like yes, once you I mean,
because you know, once you start writing, I need some
help obviously, because once you start writing about your family
and then you start self edited, then you're not writing anymore.

Speaker 10 (07:38):
That's right.

Speaker 8 (07:39):
It gets really corny.

Speaker 2 (07:40):
So I said, you know what, let me start, let me,
let me stay in my lane, and this is this
is just like by introm to to that world.

Speaker 10 (07:48):
Yeah, unfortunately, success sometimes has repercussions, and you know you'll
have issues once people read what you're right. If it's
you know that's the hard part.

Speaker 8 (07:58):
Well that's die, that's the into it.

Speaker 2 (08:00):
You know, that's what I say, like if you're going
to be like two people used to always say, like
when you're writing a book, when writing a book, and
you know, I guess I was too slow. And they're
both dead right now. So in the beginning of this book,
I dedicate this book to one of the brothers, which
is Floyd Patterson, and he always would say to me,

(08:23):
you know, you got to write the book. You got
to write the book, like you got all of the work,
it's already there, put it together. And he's talking about
the raps. So I just wasn't dead yet, you know,
I was like, wow, what is he talking about? This
guy's he's well well advanced. But it's true, as you
see to day, a lot of the artists, like you know,
like knives and even like tu parts. You will find

(08:45):
some of the rhymes in colleges and in schools, in churches.

Speaker 11 (08:55):
Yeah, come a long way in the last thirty years,
forty years amazing.

Speaker 8 (08:59):
That that is amazing.

Speaker 6 (09:01):
Do you feel like when you wrote that book it
helped you more as a writer yourself as far as like,
no a musician.

Speaker 2 (09:09):
It was almost for me it was therapy because it's
like I always think that I can write the perfect thing,
and you kind of push things to the side that
gets you never go back to it.

Speaker 8 (09:23):
And that was a part that I was dealing with.

Speaker 2 (09:25):
With, like like inside that was like an inside battle,
Like sometimes you can critique yourself to a fault and
like people don't get to see you as a whole person.
They just see you as this this rap guy, Like
I'm not the kid on the poster. That's just one perspective,
one portion. It's like you got to be able to

(09:45):
surrender to your reality. One of my favorite artists is
Sean Price, not because that's not because that's my brother,
because he was able to be honest. Yeah, it's tough
being an artist because you're still acting, you're still playing
out this role to that nature. So it was good
for me to talk about certain things I had got
a Soora and Baker to review it for me before

(10:08):
I released it, and he's like, Yo, why did you
choose to write this stuff? Because it's so different than
anything that I'm rapping about. And it's just a look
into me on a normal day, you know, like a
day when I'm sitting outside drinking coffee, having a babel
or something like that. I'm not working down time with
the town strap down.

Speaker 6 (10:30):
So it was cathartic. But does it make you as
an artist, like be able to be more vulnerable, more
honest because you're able to tap into something that maybe
you initially didn't realize you could do.

Speaker 2 (10:43):
I think so. I think I think that was my origin.
You know, I didn't start out rapping. I didn't know
how to put the words together sonically like that. Yeah,
So I was a fan of that, just reading along
to being along with being a a Star Wars fan,
like I had books, and that goes with all of

(11:05):
the imagination of a kid like I was in my room,
I was in Star Wars. I was there, I was
mentally channeling everything, so being able to go back to
that childhood so to speak, and like, all right, in
my imagination, I'm looking at stuff I'm watching it when
I'm on the subway.

Speaker 8 (11:22):
I still take the bus. I still a mass trendsit.

Speaker 2 (11:25):
I love to walk down the street and like that's
my reality TV.

Speaker 8 (11:29):
You know. So sometimes it's not enough space for.

Speaker 2 (11:32):
Me to put it into a rap form because you
have to pick words and then it has to bounce
right and all those things. But then the poetic form
for me allows a little bit of free though.

Speaker 8 (11:42):
And I want to show the people that I'm vulnerable.

Speaker 2 (11:44):
I don't want to always be this this this hardcore
rap guy, you know. I want to have a little conversation.

Speaker 10 (11:51):
I would imagine that's the toughest part of that writing
in that particular book, because you're really conflicting. You're on
stage persona with you know who's side so and that's
that's tough, man. And as we get older it should
get easier. But you know that comes with maturity and
depends on where you're at in life.

Speaker 2 (12:08):
It's it's brave and that's why it took me so
long because a lot of these poems will go back
as far as like two thousand and two, you know,
and it's like, okay, can I do this?

Speaker 8 (12:19):
Is this relevant?

Speaker 2 (12:20):
And when when I was collecting them, I found that
it still comes from this source, from this organic source
of this person or this kid, or this creator that's
trying to navigate through this journey of what who knows what.
So it's really just like it could be anyone telling this.

(12:41):
And I think that it's helpful to me on a
therapeutic level because I can I don't have to be
still from Smith and West, and I could beat Daryl. Yeah,
and then it also it doesn't it doesn't compromise anything
because when I came out and the Sean and I said,
as a youth, some called me Tom, some call me Daryl.

Speaker 8 (12:57):
Now they called me still because I'm rough to the
bone Marrow.

Speaker 2 (12:59):
I'm telling you I'm about to put on that suit,
and I'm being transparent, you know. But the book allows
me to break it down a little bit. You don't
have to have music. You can have whatever background it's there,
and just journey into these sounds. Like I have a
poem on it called I Am, and I try not
to make it too worthy, like like I'm trying something.

(13:24):
I let it fallward l You know, it was one
where I said, you know what I'm going to It's
two thousand and twenty, I'm going to write something new
to put with this. And I attempted that and it
was I didn't like it. Yeah, you know, I'm like,
you got to appreciate the moment where you can create
these things and if it makes sense, and if it's

(13:44):
not like way left field, then give it a shot.

Speaker 10 (13:48):
I think sometimes it's almost like when you get a
new piece of equipment. It's like you know what to do,
but it takes time to learn it, to master it,
to know how to like do all the little tricks
and writing in that way for books and ship it's
completely different from you know, writing down some rhymes.

Speaker 2 (14:04):
It is.

Speaker 10 (14:04):
There's a process, there's arcs, you have to know when
the conflict happens. You have to make sure your words
like come out and it's like imagery, you know what
I mean. So it's it's tough, right.

Speaker 2 (14:15):
Like I said, when I started the rite to autobiography,
I hit so many brick walls. I'm like, WHOA Like
I have a high respect for writers, you know, and
I and I and I feel like for me, I'm eager,
I'm a little big enthusiastic, and I'm intimidated by taking
that journey. So when I see certain books about the artists,

(14:38):
I kind of know that they had to help, you know,
they had some professional help.

Speaker 8 (14:45):
This is why I named my book by my Own Hands.

Speaker 2 (14:48):
It's important to see how it would play out, you know,
on an organic level. Yeah, I don't mind having doing
doing an interview to conferb you your growing up and
it was like this, and then what imagine a writer
writing his own book.

Speaker 8 (15:04):
Sure, like walk with me.

Speaker 2 (15:05):
I'm gonna take you to Cephalo Projects where I grew
up on thirty one, starting from the first floor.

Speaker 8 (15:10):
I lived on the fourteenth floor.

Speaker 10 (15:12):
So I just think those rock docks period. You know,
anyone who can write about themselves any type of music.
I mean, I love the Prodigy book, thought it was great.
The Anthony Keta's book from Red Hot Chili Peppers, if
you've never read it, I mean there's some heavy ship there,
but he understood the process and how to get that across,
so get Yeah, it's heavy, man.

Speaker 8 (15:32):
I find it exciting.

Speaker 2 (15:33):
So you know, you want you want to do that right,
You want to do that right because it's you know,
it's a birth, it's a it's a it's a baby,
it's your baby, super personal. I'm working on some something
different right now and keep my zen in a certain way.

Speaker 8 (15:49):
Like we got.

Speaker 2 (15:51):
A lot of stressful days ahead of us, so I'm
really been practicing like.

Speaker 8 (15:57):
You know oo the monk Bob.

Speaker 2 (15:58):
You know, I'm being extra a little bit, like more
like mushrooms and Yeah, I.

Speaker 12 (16:07):
Was just having this conversation with my wife the other
day about I think, you know, at this stage in life,
is how important it is to remain calm.

Speaker 2 (16:16):
Yeah, if you got to ramp up, ramp up with
a purpose, don't crash out, because we know we are
very sensitive. And that's what I learned about the triggers
of life, like why am I When of my friends
asked me like, well, why are you mad? I'm like, wow,
you know what, there's so many answers to that that
I don't have an answer. Yeah, you know, I'm like,
now I want to answer that one better.

Speaker 8 (16:37):
I'll be back.

Speaker 6 (16:40):
Obviously, with your tour out and almost thirty years now
with the Shining, it was it felt time to have
you on. So it's time and being that January is
when this album came out thirty years ago, it's kind
of crazy, right, I Mean when you think about it.

Speaker 5 (16:56):
You're talking about you are.

Speaker 6 (16:58):
Still doing shows based upon a record that was three
decades ago that still resonates with people, that's still to
this day is listened to as if it was a
record that it just came out. You know what I'm
saying as mind blowing, it's crazy when you think about it,
and you know what, the other thing. I could be

(17:20):
wrong here, but I think you and Tech are probably
right now the longest riding duo in hip hop, if
not you know one of them. I'm talking about consistently
still putting out music today.

Speaker 5 (17:35):
Active now. I'm not talking about like the Big Boys
and the Dras.

Speaker 6 (17:40):
I'm not about active, still putting out music, still touring,
still cohesive, don't hate one another like you guys are
when you think about it, I don't know how many
duels out there right now that are still doing.

Speaker 5 (17:54):
It like that.

Speaker 2 (17:56):
I ain't think about it like that. You know that's
that's man, that's a good seat right there.

Speaker 12 (18:03):
Like I'm trying to think, I'm trying to think of
anyone else too.

Speaker 8 (18:07):
I'm rattling right now.

Speaker 6 (18:09):
So a lot of duos obviously broke up something. Yeah,
m OP for sure, you're.

Speaker 2 (18:14):
Talking about like doing song you talking about consistently.

Speaker 10 (18:19):
Yeah, like most new music, all of it.

Speaker 6 (18:24):
I mean, look, both of you guys drop solo records recently, right,
the Building Bridges too came out, so it's not like
you guys are still putting out music and you're touring together.
So I think that that goes a long way, and
it says a lot about the relationship you guys have
and why a record like the Shining is still important

(18:44):
because of that, that kinship, that bond that you guys
currently have.

Speaker 2 (18:48):
You know, like it's interesting to have these type of
conversations because it just reminds me of, like you said,
some real ship just now, like we just so be
busy with life that we don't take time to check
the boxes and realize, wow, we did that. We really
we accomplished something really major. But I'm ready, I'm geared.

Speaker 6 (19:09):
Of all right, ladies and gentlemen, we have a special guest.
We have one half of Smith and Wesson. We have
my boy General Steel on the phone. What up stell Loo,
what's up.

Speaker 8 (19:19):
Bursting out there?

Speaker 5 (19:21):
Good man? Thanks for joining us.

Speaker 6 (19:23):
We were looking forward to breaking down this thirty year
classic to Shining. It is a record that I was
telling you earlier. That still bumps. That still gives people
goosebumps when they hear it. That still shows the consistency,
the longevity that you and and Tech bring together. And

(19:44):
it's an amazing thing that after all these years thirty
to be exact, you guys are still torn, still making
music and here we are talking about this record.

Speaker 8 (19:54):
You know, we still eat.

Speaker 2 (19:55):
We still eat together at the same table in the restaurant.
It's it's a it's a great place to be. Honestly. Yeah,
a lot of we we've seen a lot, a lot
of passing away in the industry.

Speaker 8 (20:12):
And you know, I was thinking about it the other day.

Speaker 2 (20:15):
Me and Tech was in Los Angeles for a show,
and you know, we're fifty. We're like, okay, we're gonna
perform like we're in a twenties right now, and like
mentally right. But then we're like, well, we probably should
go hit the gym.

Speaker 13 (20:34):
Shine you shine, just take it, make taint frame a ball,
circulationation remulation.

Speaker 4 (20:47):
We should a situation I've been thinking about my life.

Speaker 1 (20:52):
Sipping is so real country.

Speaker 4 (20:54):
You wasn't gonna flip take the practice paring for all that.

Speaker 14 (20:59):
With my.

Speaker 13 (21:05):
Bread about crew going out.

Speaker 2 (21:17):
It's good to have like a partner that you can
work with do a lot of different things. We can
talk about our business, we can talk about life, and
then we can transfer that into music and something that
people can appreciate on the whole.

Speaker 8 (21:31):
So, man, it's great.

Speaker 6 (21:33):
Honestly, when most of us really heard you, it was
probably on Blacksmith and Westerner, You're the man off and
to the stage.

Speaker 5 (21:41):
That was ninety three.

Speaker 6 (21:42):
A year later, you guys dropped bucked own and completely
changed the game. I mean everyone was like all on
that Black Moons, and now it's like Smith and Wesson.
Who is Smith and Wesson?

Speaker 9 (21:54):
We go breaking stick with a man down and pound
of black Moon and Smith and Wesson up the pace
because we're right behind your back.

Speaker 4 (22:03):
Take one to your back. Oh yeah, god, mister rick
Wood did the shoot? Got the shot? Ship stock to
say it for someone, but it's must off the.

Speaker 1 (22:10):
Ground with hers get glow, damn.

Speaker 6 (22:14):
Dam But you tease us because you dropped that single
in ninety four, and it wasn't really until January tenth,
to be exact, nineteen ninety five where the classic the
Shining comes out And here's the thing you gave us
a single with the B side as good as most
people's A sides. Right Let's get It On is arguably

(22:37):
one of the best B sides of the nineties.

Speaker 5 (22:39):
I mean that was like, that was the perfect combination, right.

Speaker 8 (22:43):
Thanks, We saluted the B minus.

Speaker 2 (22:45):
Mister Wall had us in the basement training us, beating
us with boots with timblin boots.

Speaker 8 (22:55):
Nah, it was beautiful.

Speaker 2 (22:57):
We was in the home of Mama Do Guard and
she allowed that madness to happen when we was down
in the basement of training. The funny thing is that
while we were doing that and Black Moon was cooking
up their thing running around with Eved, we were trying
to determine what single to go with, and Bucktown was

(23:19):
not the first pick. We had a song called nothing
to Move but the Money. It's all about the cast
still don noth and move but the Money. We thought
for sure that that was going to be it. One
thing that was a motivation for that because we used
to open up shows with Black mooning. We used to
use that one verse, which allowed us to go back

(23:39):
and forth, and that was our whole thing.

Speaker 8 (23:43):
Of course, we were studying the greats.

Speaker 2 (23:45):
Before us, you know, so all credit due to the
ones that that that set it up before us. Like
one of our motivations when we became up with Bucktown,
believe it or not, was know you by nature and
you know how Tretch was out there in the hard
combat boots and.

Speaker 8 (24:02):
Big not gold change but had like change and he
was hatchets.

Speaker 2 (24:09):
So we were like, wow, this is this is this
is like uh intimid day, this is hardcore right, so
right and guys like Onyx you know, so we're like,
all right, we need an anthem because we had let's
get it on, but it was to another track. So
we was searching for this beat, this song that we
could put out we had recognized and we even tried

(24:32):
to that shows. We tried to see how people responded
to it early on, and Bucktown was the one that
we landed on and were like, yeah, this is going
to be the ant of that changes. But we didn't
know how, you know, how big the impact was going
to be. But we we had a mission, was on.

Speaker 8 (24:49):
A mission to make a statement with it.

Speaker 6 (24:52):
And the reason why nothing moved but the money did
not make the album was doing the sample Clarence right, yes.

Speaker 2 (24:59):
Yes, yeah, yeah, and what we like to say the
Vaughn Intervention.

Speaker 5 (25:05):
I mean, it's a phenomenal song. It was a Chase record.

Speaker 6 (25:07):
Most people wanted that, and you guys put it or
someone put it out on a white label and the
DJs were playing it, but it was it was not
on the album. So let's talk about the album. Nineteen
ninety five. In my opinion, it's probably the last year
of the second Golden Era.

Speaker 5 (25:25):
I mean, it was a phenomenal year.

Speaker 6 (25:28):
And on any given day, okay, if you rattle off
the top five albums of nineteen ninety five, the Shining
has to be included. You have only Bill for Cuban length,
you have the Infamous, you have Liquid Swords, all right,

(25:55):
Like I said, the Shining's up there. And then for
me personally, I'm going to go with Me against World
because that's my favorite pop album.

Speaker 5 (26:02):
The News.

Speaker 6 (26:05):
But what I'm saying is ninety five was especially here
and you guys, you guys are at that top. So
let's break down this classic album because, like I said,
this album means so much to so many different people
throughout the world, not just people in New York, but
like people that truly were day one supporters of of

(26:26):
what you guys were about you start off with Tim's
and hood check. This is like one of those smash
your head through a windshield this Wade would say, kind
of songs.

Speaker 5 (26:36):
This was this set the.

Speaker 1 (26:37):
Tempo the west and out of the bucktown and that
drunk rub right hard rock. We break your block down
the front ruck, perform a construction like the storm. When
we rush, raise a chane him shots, raise your brain.

Speaker 9 (26:50):
It's ripping down like thunder pound make a rubber wonder.

Speaker 1 (26:53):
Now whatever ell shit lies underground. We got more. If
you want more, diggit. What you got to be hardcore?
Getting wearted. That's a youth. Some cormet to one, some
Corman shot fly.

Speaker 9 (27:03):
Now they call me still cuts up rough to the bone.

Speaker 15 (27:06):
Val.

Speaker 9 (27:06):
You don't me g checked while you're powder you stressed
colds boss to fill the cold balus.

Speaker 1 (27:11):
You don't have to hold my cock strong.

Speaker 9 (27:13):
Troops said they poop true took the game. Say you're
true to the group. That's how we shoes remain. Plus
we just can't change them with boot change still stay
the same. See I'm sending her to check my fruits out,
to catch track, running your gripping, move your north to
be your best bend head footsteps approach as I dropped
the roach up. The smoker can't react because you throw
this in your choke, pull your biscuit.

Speaker 1 (27:35):
That's your ticket to a skate. I got the trace that.

Speaker 4 (27:37):
My crand partner got the trigger.

Speaker 9 (27:39):
I could get hard on on Sodi's credits shot of Endy,
but them getting busy like the black Gorilla family. Gotta
meet my man added order than nine so we can
blow this down and leader go up behind. We ain't
any boy, We crazy, you shady?

Speaker 1 (27:52):
You broke into a fred what we did? Yes, we
smoked the fat lady.

Speaker 8 (27:56):
That's that was. That was exactly what it is.

Speaker 14 (27:58):
We uh.

Speaker 2 (28:00):
We watched the Black Moon Uh through their whole album
after once they dropped out, once they dropped the single
who Got the Props? We was in the in the
in the dugout with them rise on the wall, soaking
it up, and when we was on tour, we were
seeing how they was performing.

Speaker 8 (28:20):
Buck is an excellent microphone controller.

Speaker 2 (28:24):
He goes on the journey when he talks to the
people on stage and he would is a great conductor
of music.

Speaker 8 (28:31):
So you get to see that, you get to watch this.
We didn't have any other access prior to that.

Speaker 2 (28:37):
So we sit there taking our notes like yo, okay,
we gotta have this, we gotta come out like that.

Speaker 8 (28:43):
We realized that it was something that Black Moon wasn't doing.

Speaker 2 (28:46):
And primarily it was like Buckshot was the lead artist
that you can see, but check is still there was
no lead artists. We had to find a way to
make sure we can share that space, you know, and
they always short at us on versus.

Speaker 8 (29:03):
They always shooted us like one person like you know
what I mean, It's like are you the man?

Speaker 2 (29:08):
Like all right, y'all got this much space, like come on, man,
I want sixteen bars man. But it it forced us
to to create this other, this symbiosis, you know, it's
it's for us what we called the shining because sometimes
like we all all we feel like we can read
each other mind. So when you hear something like Timson

(29:29):
hood check, this is us making our introduction. We are
coming through. We the ones that brought the Timberlands. We
do ones that was rocking, the Champion Hoodies, the cone
Head hoodies. You know, we was walking around crazy and
that was the energy and it was our version of
the mosh pit. Also like uh, the sensory of like

(29:50):
a onyx, like that.

Speaker 10 (29:53):
Was our And I'm gonna say this not since dare
I say it, not since run DMC. You guys mastered
the back and forth style, I mean complete. You guys
did the handoff better than anyone and you still do.
And like props to that because that's really the whole style,

(30:13):
I mean baselines and back and forth style. You guys
fucking tear that up.

Speaker 2 (30:18):
I appreciate that, man. I would say we studied those guys.
We study them, man, and they're part of our DNA.
So whatever you hear is definitely, like you know, attributed
to all of the ones that stealed it before us,
and we be on a mission to make everything we
do have a little spice of us, like what is that?

Speaker 5 (30:41):
What a week?

Speaker 2 (30:42):
Like in the beginning, Tech wasn't even interested in rock.
He's just a guy who he's that character, that's what
he is then and he had to cross the path
with It's like a right, how do you take this
character and put them on this right? We both being
like reclusive dudes, and how do we get to this profession?
So we had to say it loud enough, you know

(31:04):
what I mean? And We actually had a conversation with
with epm D. They had an in store in Tower Records.
Remember Tower Records had an in store in Tower Records,
and we went the in store.

Speaker 8 (31:22):
Man, we bought they CD.

Speaker 2 (31:24):
I forget what CD was coming out at the time,
but we went to the front of the line and
we literally knelt down like like subjects because people were
taking pictures. So we knelt down on some low key
We wasn't trying to steal the light. And these guys
literally was like yo, man, you guys, you guys got it,
manya back and forth style like it's coming from epm D.

(31:47):
So that was like wow. They like literally passed us
the baton and says okay to do it, and you
guys are killing it, so keep going.

Speaker 8 (31:54):
So that right there was like to save the deal
for us. You know, it's like epm D.

Speaker 5 (31:59):
Yeah, you guys were like you were like the rugget
knifeense mothe yes, word.

Speaker 11 (32:07):
I like that real quick. One thing I love about
Tim's and hood Check and just the shining period is
that Jason mentioned earlier, right, you gave us the tease
with the Bucktown single, Let's get it on the B side,
So we're all waiting and waiting and waiting for this
album to drop. In nineteen ninety five. That was a
very intro and skit, heavy time and hip hop, and

(32:28):
y'all were like, fuck it, man, let's just get right
to the bankers it comes in. Then it comes in,
you start cutting right the scretching. I'm like, oh shit,
this is gonna be this is going to be a
good one.

Speaker 16 (32:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (32:41):
Yeah, the b minus Man. They gave us the blueprint Man.

Speaker 2 (32:44):
And it's great because you got a guy like Evil
D who's the fresh guy on the campus, and then
behind him you have mister Walt, who this guy who's
been working at all these different record stores, so their
knowledge of music is crazy and I can still it
was just his thirsty wolves, like we can't wait, but
we loyal enough to sit there until it's our time,

(33:06):
you know.

Speaker 10 (33:07):
And it was an experimental time, so it was it
was a good time to get producers because they were
doing ship that they weren't afraid of yet.

Speaker 6 (33:14):
Yes, and speaking of time was at a rec time
by mister Walt, So they go back and forth.

Speaker 5 (33:20):
So mister Wall handled this one. This is number two.
This is like you know, petting the tone.

Speaker 6 (33:25):
This is the guy who's gonna get on basis the
Dirk Jeter joint of the shining.

Speaker 5 (33:30):
Tell me about ractime, get too.

Speaker 9 (33:31):
Like the fight plus your two fet in the wain
and who'll get in the corn winning up with your
glass chick miss the RiPP bus looking in your sister
turned down the night cheek.

Speaker 4 (33:40):
I hit by the p stuff people lead on your
lips so you're wake when get split, better have your
joint cut.

Speaker 9 (33:46):
My hands coming off my head. This little nigga pump
the lead that ass flat. Three of your boys wounded,
three of your men dead. Time to the on your
head leg get back.

Speaker 10 (33:55):
To them up.

Speaker 1 (33:56):
Let me come in deep black.

Speaker 9 (33:57):
Hey this cyrus guy to block them? My mom, I
got they get the wait so I can do more crime.
See my freshman down the block, ridesing up out the spot,
puffing met friend the hood, wearing.

Speaker 4 (34:07):
The spider's hot my tims stench of b stomping. Next
windom facts throw up your tick beats kid, It's.

Speaker 1 (34:13):
Time to flet. I am what I yea, and I
do what I do A mad eye catch wreck with
my crew. I am what I yeh, and I do
what I do A mad eye touch reck.

Speaker 9 (34:23):
With my sit the represent the real heads, the trends
on the scene, not on the Mama clod top mustred.
I want the fencers stressing tension, hit the bigs and
hit the splip with my friends and catch mad freck
with my man tech. I am what now, Y's w
my friends some perspective when.

Speaker 1 (34:40):
Not slam sets, I don't front for you.

Speaker 9 (34:42):
You're two weeping the stunt roll up the blunts because
the niggas do what they want. Big up to Olivant
and I trim the niles to input that the Klonov
who champs the rise. I'll be getting charged with my
squad in the project step and you'll be wrecked with.

Speaker 1 (34:56):
My mom flats clam to the man that shared. When
I had the.

Speaker 2 (35:02):
Reg time is like, I mean, we was fresh out
of considered still coming out of high school, you know,
a little bit of college, but we still had that
gritty energy about us and running through the city of
Manhattan with deceptor cards.

Speaker 8 (35:19):
So it's a little bit of like it's a wild thing.
So it's a wildness.

Speaker 2 (35:25):
So I am what I am, and I do what
I do puff man, catch rec with my crew, and
that's it. Like we are running around town doing the
most probably not a lot of legal stuff, but it's
that was experimental time because it was just rectime. It
was time to just be wow, crazy and adventurous and
just go. And that was for the homies. That was

(35:48):
for the guys and the girls that was out there
doing that craziness.

Speaker 6 (35:52):
The next joint, I think a lot of us became
hypnotized by the voice of rock right oh gosh, like
the Heat Drops, which was mister Wall again, if I'm
not mistaken, who did this?

Speaker 5 (36:05):
Yeah, and uh it was crazy.

Speaker 6 (36:08):
This is kind of like where Okay, it's like the
first two songs like get Ready and now now now
we're buckled in.

Speaker 5 (36:15):
Now now we're gone for a nice ride. And one
time with that joint.

Speaker 9 (36:19):
Before I lay my head down the breast, I rolled
up for Nigga sa the sess to believe the stress
you're bend. The callisthetics do a nigga justice. They fix
because some of us slick King can't be trustful. I
brought up with none of the monks in front shit
even though somebody used to run. But this more flunts
me fuck before play. Let's do shit the Broadway. She'll
let he say, she say check for the week. I'm

(36:41):
dwelling in the cellar with my niggas. Help the skelter,
floading up the lips. Let Rick's funks run for shelter,
smiffing what's's on the loose with the juice for your neck.
You let him for slip out. So it's the j
get there. It's the black mooon. We creeping up in
your rooms. Death fills the air along with us in
the boom. Open your eyes, mother fucker's and creach of
the head. I'm a snitch head.

Speaker 17 (37:03):
One snitch rupping johns, one roads do with job committing shroms,
one time for your mother fucking man, one Bramo snitch
rumping jobs, one brom Bova head do with jobs, one
commit tromps, one job for your.

Speaker 2 (37:23):
Mother fucking my Ractics Monster is the first rapper that
I've met out of the whole entire eight members of
the book can't click. Well, yeah, we lived in the
same project and he sounded like that when I met
him as a teenager. He had that voice like yeah.

(37:45):
So it's like he was already destined well for to
be to be a star. As far as something with
his voice.

Speaker 11 (37:54):
And when he walked in the room.

Speaker 2 (37:55):
Yeah, man, this guy's he's a giant, you know, and
he's so good at what he does. I want this
guy on the album. The beat just spoke to that
I knew from like when I signed a deal, I
went and told Rock. He didn't even have a was,
he didn't have a partner yet, and Sean Price hadn't
even met up yet. So Rock was running with us. Initially,

(38:20):
Sean Price was it, you know what I mean? Sean
Price was in the fall. If he was, he probably
would have been on that song as well. I don't
think they you know, they were still formulating Helper Skelter
as they was watching us. So it was a reality
to Rock. Rock was my friend already from the projects.
I had knew Sean uh prior, but he wasn't rapping

(38:42):
when I met him. He was just a guy from Brownsville.
We were just in like camp together, just kids and
camp mhm. When I met Rock, he was already like that.
So for him to set it up was for me
to be like, Yeah, these guys are next and let's
get it on.

Speaker 8 (38:58):
We're coming through it. Everything is greedy, man.

Speaker 12 (39:03):
When you wrote that song, did you have him in
mind to do the hook or was it you know,
producers going hey, we need a hook.

Speaker 5 (39:12):
What do you think about this? How did that go down?

Speaker 2 (39:14):
So a lot of the stuff that you hear, Walt did.
We cultivated that in the basement before we even start
letting people hear the stuff. You know. It's not like
now where you leave with a copy. I didn't have
the cassette. I was just excited going back to Cephalo projects,
going yo, Rock Yo, we just did another song son.
It's place like I couldn't play it for you know.

(39:36):
So it's like my excitement or obviously is going to
translate to these guys because they're seeing it. They seen
the video. They're like, all right, these guys are really
doing something. And to prove the point is like, well,
we have studio come through put it.

Speaker 8 (39:51):
We always been like that.

Speaker 2 (39:52):
We've always been inclusive in that regards of like we
have people that's already talented, we want to try to
them on, but in a in a healthy way, not
not not nepotism.

Speaker 8 (40:04):
You know.

Speaker 6 (40:05):
So Rock's always had that voice. How far back do
you recall him having that that distinct voice.

Speaker 2 (40:12):
When we first met, when we first met he was
like that. We both from Cephalo projects, and I stayed
in the projects, but I was more adventurous. Once I
started going to high school, I started staying in other
places and I started meeting other people. So Rock what
I would do when I came back home when I

(40:33):
was able to afford my first turntable.

Speaker 8 (40:37):
I had a guy in the project. He was DJing
for UCED.

Speaker 2 (40:41):
This guy was insane because he was DJing with one
twelve hundred and he didn't have a mixer and he
had the regular UH and he was just switching from
FM to he switched from to cassette like mind blowing stuff.
And ME and Rock were the guys who were in
the house making the tapes. We were rapping. We were

(41:03):
we were reading the raps that we wrote before Tech
was rapping. This was me and Rock in the in
in my auntie's house or in the neighbor's house primarily,
And then all the other guys started to formulate. Buck
wasn't even coming around. Buck was over there in Crown Heights.
Tech was in the star. When I bought Tech around,

(41:25):
he was a superstar because they'd never seen nobody like
that in Brownsville. Tech was like, You're like, wow, this
guy is from the star He riding on a motorcycle
with no helmet with an astro.

Speaker 8 (41:35):
He just looks wold right.

Speaker 2 (41:38):
Well, I'm cool.

Speaker 8 (41:38):
They don't know me for the wild stuff.

Speaker 2 (41:40):
Really in my neighborhood, I'm just a cool guy, so
they don't know what I'll be doing when.

Speaker 8 (41:44):
I leave the block. When I bring Tech around, they're like,
oh my gosh. You know.

Speaker 2 (41:48):
But primarily it was me and Rock building it up.
Before it was book, before was boot Camp Click.

Speaker 8 (41:53):
We had a group called UH.

Speaker 2 (41:55):
I started this movement called Major Organized Sound Troopers most right,
So that was our thing, that was my thing. I
was like, my name is Steele, I'm the Man of
Steel most at acronym Major Organized Sound Troopers. So I
was thinking about always like putting people in a place
where we can have this brotherhood, this camaraderie.

Speaker 8 (42:17):
We can help each other. It doesn't matter who busts
off first.

Speaker 2 (42:21):
We have enough talent.

Speaker 8 (42:22):
We have healthy competition. And so yeah, Rock was always
in the fold always.

Speaker 10 (42:26):
You know, on the chalkboard of titles of songs, you
have to say, use a lot of w's in the
first few songs, so you got wreck time one time
and recognized. So was that kind of like a little
ode to I guess rec Records, which was, yeah.

Speaker 2 (42:44):
I mean you got it.

Speaker 8 (42:45):
You plucked it right out.

Speaker 2 (42:46):
It's rare. It's yeah, we leave the little bread crumbs
and stuff. But that was a lot of tech tech
at the time. He had a different kind of slang,
like you see words spelled wrong, that's all tech, like hallucination.
It sound way very ill or that like, that's that's
all tech, Like we're gonna change it to how it sounds.

(43:08):
I get who was pronouncing it, But yeah, definitely.

Speaker 5 (43:12):
So recognize.

Speaker 6 (43:14):
We'll get into the remix, which a lot of people
know that song by the remix, but this was a
Baby Paul joint. Let's kind of briefly get into recognize
before we go into Andre's favorite, which is right up.

Speaker 2 (43:26):
Yes, what up?

Speaker 1 (43:28):
I heard that.

Speaker 9 (43:29):
You got a little broad with the way that we
rolled in the heads We've done wrong, clicking and flicking
the fingers, throwing them out, beating the neck enough, beat
down and flicked it by that they can text and
for your back slabbashee.

Speaker 10 (43:40):
I got the shot jack.

Speaker 9 (43:41):
And the left book that the Gorgia Joe bonushadow, who's
skilled enough to come test the weighted two titans from
Bucktown that the bird can brew. I got the fired
from the session in the back when Nick gets a
shraps and the ground puffing mething and grabs Smith find
wants to come in with enough bloods is gonna fick
the funk then get found dead in the trunk.

Speaker 1 (44:00):
Oh, let's be alive real heads on the rock.

Speaker 9 (44:04):
Recni recogniz Let's be alive, heads on the rock recognized
that again't make foot on the boots something the lot
it and lied to what beat minus too? So my
deckers where my lips at? It's a lot of rats
pay my brain, so why don't sweat that instead? I'm
not with the teching the door. My men rocks in

(44:25):
rocking your rip? But what nothing the deal's going with?
Down like this son up in the mouth, what your
lips send my boot.

Speaker 2 (44:31):
To do with French kiss recognize we didn't.

Speaker 8 (44:34):
Know any of these guys, so.

Speaker 2 (44:39):
I'll break through. I guess you could say, like mister
wall is the godfather, it's our godfather. Like whatever he said, dude,
we did we had no other training. We watched him,
We watched Black Moon and we listened to mister Wall,
and mister Wall introduced us to the other members of
the Beat minus Carter time.

Speaker 8 (45:01):
And yeah, when baby Paul came in, he was excited, enthusiastic.

Speaker 2 (45:07):
We was just like, okay, he had a slightly different
sound than Walk, which which was which.

Speaker 8 (45:14):
Had allowed us to do that.

Speaker 2 (45:16):
I won't say uplifting because it still was gritty, you know,
but Paul was a person We would go sit in
his house and look through his records. So it was
all hands on for that. But I think it was
important to do something uplifted for us.

Speaker 5 (45:32):
Like it was.

Speaker 2 (45:33):
It was still hood, but a chance for our neighborhood,
give them something to like put on their back or
listening to they uh and they had phones when they
walking through.

Speaker 8 (45:45):
All heads real live, real heads on the rise.

Speaker 2 (45:48):
Like still keeping that that vean of the theme And
keep in mind, like what I said earlier, we were
trying to make a single and Recognized was a consideration
for the first MM. So we was trying to create
this theme, this this colon response team. So you know,
but buck down again, we'll get to that amount one speed.

Speaker 5 (46:11):
Well when did you guys, so you said recognize, you
was considered to be a single. But then you was
in the beginning before we before the before the remix.

Speaker 2 (46:22):
That we know that you know, yeah, yeah, it was
a consideration and we had to which is why we
remixed it because he's like, okay, we're gonna do this.

Speaker 8 (46:32):
You know, is this be strong enough?

Speaker 2 (46:35):
So we had a lot of stuff on the chunk board,
scratching it out, and like, you know, I don't think
Beat Minus was really interested in the remix.

Speaker 10 (46:45):
Different different style drums on that one.

Speaker 8 (46:47):
Absolutely.

Speaker 2 (46:47):
I actually did that beat after that Beat Interesting and
in the Dollar Cab lab and in Special Head Studio
that was a huge head.

Speaker 8 (46:59):
It was, it was, it was I guess you could
say it's inspired by Drew High.

Speaker 2 (47:03):
It was. He had the idea to do it. I
went looped it up and put the drums and all
that stuff. Not to take anything away from B Minors.
To me, There's is definitely better. But I'm glad I
was able to do it. I wanted to always do
something for my neighborhood. I was just a slave to
the neighborhood. I didn't know too much else. So if

(47:25):
you look in the beginning of our you know, I
run ten years like most of our first probably three
four videos was shot in our neighborhood, primarily in my neighborhood.

Speaker 5 (47:38):
Like in brown, brown, Brown, Brown Brown.

Speaker 2 (47:44):
So recognized when we did the remixed, recognized, we shot it.
You see us on the rooftop, that's my neighborhood. That's
Cephalo Projects. That's the building that's one aide the building
that's directly in front of me. You see us going
down Picking Avenue and then we ride down Eastern Parkway.
That's all our neighborhood. But that was our drive. Like
whatever we do, we want to incorporate the community at

(48:07):
the neighborhood. We always want to let them know that
we are. Although we're famous and we're doing these things,
that we came from here. So hopefully we inspire you
to do something similar.

Speaker 6 (48:19):
Well, as you're saying this, it made me think and
not to deviate, but you guys, all of you guys
had a certain sound, right, but the hits that you
had for remixes of like whether it's Berry White, whether
it's Donald Bird, you see what I'm saying. So, like
these these classic iconic songs that you sampled for your

(48:41):
remixes kind of propelled you guys and exposed you to
a different demographic. I mean, yeah, so while you still
have that core boot camp thing going on where you
guys all have that distinct sound. When you think of
like I Got You Open or buck them Down or
recognize Remix, you can attribute those songs with the greatness

(49:04):
to them because people can identify with the with the
you know, the samples that you used, which were very
unlike a very boot camp ish, right you know what
I'm saying.

Speaker 10 (49:15):
Which is normally very beat driven, but this was the
first time melodies were coming in and your voices were
able to ride that rhythm for a change. You know,
That's the difference.

Speaker 8 (49:23):
I think.

Speaker 2 (49:24):
So this is this is the genius of Buckshot. You know,
this is the genius of Buckshot daring to push the letter,
you know, because at some point we was like, okay,
we have this boot camp sound. Is that what we
was going for? I don't think we stepped in and
said we want to have this boot camp sound. You know,
you guys put us in the box and was like, okay,
this is all we have.

Speaker 8 (49:44):
That's not all we have. Buck Shots started making music
with his mouth.

Speaker 2 (49:47):
We started going into a whole nother journey and he
started airing shit in his head and then he wanted this,
he wanted to materialize it. So that's where all the
Barry White and stuff started coming. He he uh, he
will hear something that humme it for weeks and then
he'll go evil D. I think this evil d is

(50:07):
another kind of crazy genius and he'll know exactly what
this guy's took. And and also the motivation is knowing
that we need radio songs, like we was fighting uphill
battle with radio at the time. We got great these
got these great songs, but radio is still you know,
not quite letting us in, and we want access. We

(50:27):
got to get access to the people or for these
songs to really live. So it's what those songs came in.
Buck Shot was totally against creating clean versions. You know,
so when you hear nothing to move but the money
is two versions of that, it's different lyrics. So we
literally created a clean version even let's get it on,

(50:50):
we have a clean version for that. We you know,
we was like, we're not going to be pigeonhole like
Buck Shot. We're not going to have this argument. Let's
just change the words. We're not going to have the
thing pull back. We're not gonna do that. We're gonna
try to we win our stuff on the radio. So
it was uphill fight in that regards, and we had
to switch it up a little bit with the music.
Plus we we actually we listened to that stuff. You know,

(51:12):
we do that more than you would think. We're not
just in the crib listen to some don't Yo, that's
my son.

Speaker 8 (51:24):
We vibe and were listening to the sound.

Speaker 2 (51:26):
And that's the one thing about Baby Paul that you know,
I got from Baby Paul that I didn't initially get
from Well and Evil, which when I went to paul crib,
he would just play records, you know, and I'm like,
holy snap, because I wasn't really hip to sampling.

Speaker 10 (51:47):
Yet he learned to dissect all the parts.

Speaker 2 (51:49):
Yes, I'm like, oh, yo, can we can you do
that with that?

Speaker 5 (51:56):
Yeah?

Speaker 18 (51:56):
All right?

Speaker 11 (51:57):
So yeah, and then you guys clearly made Soundboy Burial
for the radio.

Speaker 18 (52:03):
Right.

Speaker 2 (52:07):
I don't know what we made that for, but I
think Health the Skelter. They don't like this story because
we have different perspectives. I remember mister Wall making that
beat and saying, Yo, this spell the Skelter. I was
saying they not working on an album yet, so why

(52:29):
would you give them this speed.

Speaker 8 (52:30):
I was trying to get that track and always like, nah,
I made it for them.

Speaker 2 (52:36):
I don't think.

Speaker 8 (52:37):
I think me and Tech is the only one that
I remember it that way. But I was so scheming
on that track.

Speaker 2 (52:43):
I remember sitting behind in the backseat of the van
like just listen and hate and going, oh, I hope
they don't like this beat out.

Speaker 8 (52:54):
So and you know all the other two A lot
of the sounds wasn't there.

Speaker 5 (52:57):
It just was dark. It just was boom boom.

Speaker 1 (53:00):
Yes, well I know the drop on sound. Can I
trust the bottom? Can we all?

Speaker 19 (53:06):
Body?

Speaker 1 (53:07):
You are come? We killing already and you are the
front of raps them. It's no forms do week called
wedding came to.

Speaker 15 (53:16):
Came boom bye bye in the body boy head this
shot the flying on the body guy like that two
shots dead to him hip and let me your friend
fig the funk up with the junk to win it?

Speaker 5 (53:28):
Now? Who the rule?

Speaker 4 (53:29):
Why?

Speaker 1 (53:29):
I want come test.

Speaker 15 (53:30):
Door, I find this family the I dum in the ball.
I bet you never thought that bus led surprise.

Speaker 16 (53:36):
I'm avoid the bibelood had just like your protested champion.
Sound you're getting bumped down, recognized the bull camp player
guy to walk down hunt thirsty little du bastard always
blasted from the sex of Chocolate.

Speaker 1 (53:49):
What the cast and you said your number one where
it gets selected up? I said you Panani, Yeah, I.

Speaker 9 (53:55):
Wet you'll keep the booll from pool to's a tricker
because you don't want to test me win them tipsy
off the nick delucta public group. God is feeling scurf
showed just tru Pulus had to yank up his skirt.
Now we's in Midstagrie trying to cop a flea laed
to them and from gun clap.

Speaker 4 (54:11):
But number three see.

Speaker 20 (54:13):
Looked up a shot you know deck ride up linked
a shot, put in and out on fire.

Speaker 9 (54:18):
Now everybody want to be don got I know the
running your niggas be talking, but.

Speaker 1 (54:22):
We'd be stalking.

Speaker 10 (54:24):
I thank god they didn't take that one. I mean
to me, this song felt like a track that was
dedicated to the apocalypse. Man. I look back and I'm like, think,
how fortunate you guys are that that you can talk
about how this song like dropped in your laps and
whether you took it or schemed it. I mean this
song was very very like heavy for me, Like I

(54:47):
could play the instrumental for days, I could play your
version for days. I mean this song was very very
strong in my repertoire and it meant a lot to me.
The wind by itself, with the baseline mm hmm. With
the wind, it just sounds it was like the last
days of time. Now, most people probably thought you guys

(55:09):
did the little reggae voice, but that's of course super
Beagle does the soundboy that to me set off the
whole sound for kind of your reggae influence. Well, it
is not weird and monty and not enough thinking and
off thing.

Speaker 18 (55:29):
Run bun d them come come one, damn it come
to mind sound within the tump.

Speaker 2 (55:33):
Don So.

Speaker 10 (55:36):
You even kind of went into your own lyrics that
way where it almost sounds like you guys were like
you know these dusters from back in Jamaica. You know,
it was really fucking good and real creative. So not
until like the whole sample, you know, rare groove records
were popping up that people realized that it was a sample,
But you guys used it so well, it just just

(55:57):
go in go into that just a little bit.

Speaker 2 (55:59):
Ye left out. That's that's that's again beat minus Man.
They dig deep, they dig deep. For a while, we
got away with telling people that was mister Brown. That's
what Tech was saying. That's mister Brown, that's the homie. Honestly,
I didn't know who it was.

Speaker 8 (56:15):
So I was like, all right, hey, you know, uh.

Speaker 2 (56:18):
Plausible deniability, that's the homie. Mister Brown always said, I'm
not sure when we got the track. That wasn't in there,
so I don't know if we just like you said, apocalyptic.
It's interesting that you use that word because it makes sense.
It gives context to why mister Walt would think it
would fit a health the skeleton, you know, because they

(56:41):
they have a different thing. I think that's what I
was going with. But my little brother, top Dog, as
you know, I'm a top dog at OGC. He was
the guy who was playing like eight nine percent reggae
in the house, right, So I wasn't really into reggae

(57:02):
that much, you know, I know a little bit of it,
but he was playing it like he was. He was
into it heavy. So that's it. So that that was
a motivation for me to go. I want to get
him involved and to keep it real. He's the reggae guy,
so we're going to start with boom. But I said, Yo,
you gotta he ain't know how to write no rap.

(57:24):
Me and Tech was definitely over the red right shoulder
and the left shoulder, going well, say this and try this,
and you know he'll fit in the world and we
will started with something because he know all the reggae songs,
so it's like, Yo, pick something that's cool.

Speaker 10 (57:38):
He knew thecular, he knew the vernacular.

Speaker 2 (57:41):
It was like we just had to walk him through it,
give him some lines, set him up, and you know
he he he nailed it. And then we just followed
suit and everything from me, that was a build up.
I don't it wasn't my idea to like put those
put stranger on there. I think that came was because
guys was thinking, all right, let's try to get o
GC fitted into the track.

Speaker 8 (58:03):
At that point, I was good with the first verse.

Speaker 2 (58:07):
I'm like, oh, we just play that like time.

Speaker 6 (58:11):
This is like the first appearance of of like the
o GC technically right on this song. Yes did, And
look at Andre smiling from ear to ear when he
thinks that this song this is up there with his
patra poster used to have back in the day. He

(58:32):
would learned patois For two years after this song came out.

Speaker 5 (58:35):
He was so so enamored with the song.

Speaker 1 (58:39):
Well, what im you want to know?

Speaker 9 (58:40):
You're doing this weekend, suogre, get up some food and
think that if you gotta bring a picnil or a
good time.

Speaker 10 (58:45):
I was eating. I was eating all the Caribbean food.
Forget it.

Speaker 5 (58:48):
Did did your brother have anything to do with the
remix of the song?

Speaker 6 (58:55):
Because the remix definitely has it keeps tradition of that
of you know, of that reggae influence.

Speaker 10 (59:02):
Yeah, but also you could dance to it because it
kind of sampled hold on, so you know, had that
that was a jack.

Speaker 8 (59:10):
That was a jack.

Speaker 5 (59:11):
Honestly, that was a jack, but it definitely had it
like more of a dance halt ish.

Speaker 2 (59:17):
Yeah, of course because we what we did. That's when
you're conscious of it now, you know what I mean?
And having conversations with Drew hard again fright now our
bill battle. Even though Soundboy was a good song, radio
was not really trying to vibe it. We was, I
don't know, we was sometimes we just felt like we
was blacklisted, but a lot of artists felt like that.

(59:38):
I think we made the attempts to create those songs,
hopefully to get more traction on the radio.

Speaker 8 (59:46):
We lucked up at the time.

Speaker 2 (59:49):
We did a freestyle I think it was with duo
and it was over the hold on and beat and
yeah it was. We was rhyming about weed.

Speaker 9 (01:00:00):
To slap of corn beef in the yard man sat
dot fun so with a double eight black for my bread,
dread reddy head saint, ready to watch your turn tables
up like machete, get your friends in a few wins
and the anything to shoot beat me in the sims.
Don't to fish coming through winning zone on my own,
nor point with the chrome. So war my heads on lock,
I see you when you get home.

Speaker 2 (01:00:20):
Yo. This is like a free free styling. It would
be better if we made a song to this. So
I actually I went to Drew Hard and he was like, yeah,
let's loop it up and let's do it. So I
got I got two productions on the remixes. Man.

Speaker 6 (01:00:34):
Like one fact, you know, I don't think you were
a black listener. I think you scared the ship out
of programming director, you know what, especially when they heard
Tim's and herd check, They're like, okay.

Speaker 5 (01:00:45):
For radio.

Speaker 8 (01:00:48):
You might be right with that one. Yeah, different Western.
The name was already intimid dandy, So yeah, you were.

Speaker 6 (01:00:57):
In tradition of keeping it moving. The next joint is
carry him. Mister Walt did this one?

Speaker 10 (01:01:04):
Yeah, those nineties horns, man, those nineties horns.

Speaker 9 (01:01:08):
When the food spot claw, ye, we gotta keep it move.
When your short exact, no, yo, we gotta keep it move.
When the Philly get set up, we gotta keep it move.

Speaker 1 (01:01:16):
Wining ship just stay signed, yo.

Speaker 9 (01:01:18):
We gotta keep it move out. Who's that knocking that
my door? Hope it's a friend of me, because we
yet more with the end of them. No, we keep
ourself with sposor in our sight for all my trife.
They're gonna take your life. That's not gonna die your life.
Why unless the control of stress.

Speaker 1 (01:01:33):
He's a throw off the sect and protect walk around
again with mister Brown.

Speaker 9 (01:01:37):
And his Jamaican Never gotta sleep again unless I.

Speaker 4 (01:01:40):
Want my life blood.

Speaker 9 (01:01:41):
Let me take what just the batdom feel all right?
Mister but NB dude, he is killed in need. You're
never hidden the me befront that we don't believe the
fourth front of the industry because cha makes the brains
feel soper constant elevation.

Speaker 1 (01:01:55):
So we gotta keep it. Now, when the sect gets hot,
we gotta keep it.

Speaker 4 (01:01:59):
And when it's time, we.

Speaker 10 (01:02:01):
Gotta keep it.

Speaker 1 (01:02:02):
Pick up spot. Gotta let these heads know.

Speaker 8 (01:02:08):
I don't want to criminate anybody, but.

Speaker 2 (01:02:12):
We was on a train and like we used to,
we used to have these these we scored the train
and do were just wild out on the train.

Speaker 8 (01:02:20):
Man, it's crazy kids, that so stuff. But we used
to just wild out on the train.

Speaker 2 (01:02:28):
We used to get on the three train and a
train and go through the city and just go through
the whole metro just doing crazy stuff.

Speaker 8 (01:02:35):
And it's caught like a lot of salts. And I
hate to say a lot of salts.

Speaker 2 (01:02:40):
We was a graffiti writers, but we was tearing the
talent them and we would call it the what right?

Speaker 8 (01:02:48):
That was our mission. We're going on to what you're
going on to? What they got? A bunch of kids
just wild.

Speaker 2 (01:02:52):
So imagine a bunch of kids running through pass you
through the city and just down you know, we like
smack your head off and you know, mischievous stuff.

Speaker 8 (01:03:01):
Let's just say that keep it.

Speaker 2 (01:03:03):
So this is where the concept of just keeping it
moving is like, we had a friend who was really
you know, the crazy guy. He wound up getting a
locked up behind doing some the various stuff, and we
was thinking, Hi, we don't want to go that far
with it, so we got to keep it moved Kim

(01:03:24):
the state the state to stay motivated. And again it
was tech genius to go with the acronyms as opposed
to just spelling it out. That's that was the life
we was living, crazy ill kids, and we could have
went to jail.

Speaker 3 (01:03:40):
With this guy.

Speaker 12 (01:03:43):
And another thing that I think was great about this
song is it kind of changed the uh the tempo
of the album.

Speaker 5 (01:03:49):
The song was like an upbeat.

Speaker 12 (01:03:51):
It was still it was still a head banger, but
it was more up tempo, and the songs before it
were a little more slower and darker. Right, So you
know a lot of speaks to the sequencing of the album,
which is one of the things I really love so
much about the album is the way you arrange the songs.
And we can get into that a little bit later,
but a prime example of sequence in the album really well.

Speaker 2 (01:04:11):
Yeah yeah, we we we like b minus Man these guys,
they mingle with the best. You know, these guys mingle
with the best. Like we we we're in the A room.
DJ Premier is. DJ Premier is in the b room.

Speaker 8 (01:04:30):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:04:30):
DJ Premier is in the b room only because he
likes how the b room sounds, so he wants the
b room and mister Walton Hummer, they want the A room.
The A room is what I call the enterprise. It's
the huge sixty four sixty eight tracks.

Speaker 8 (01:04:46):
And I know nothing.

Speaker 10 (01:04:49):
You see a neve board. It's very intimidating because you're what.

Speaker 2 (01:04:54):
You got.

Speaker 8 (01:04:54):
You got the two inch tapes. I'm like, this is fascinating.

Speaker 3 (01:05:00):
How do you do that?

Speaker 2 (01:05:02):
Imagine dubbing and over dubbing. So we had to learn
how to do these things. We was schooled and we
didn't have too much wiggle room. So I'm grateful for
that because it taught us how to appreciate laying your versus.
We learned on a job and when we would go home.
We was broke for a big part of that recording

(01:05:22):
of that album. I was homeless, no place to live,
crazy family members. I could do the couchsurfer, but I
didn't know what cousurfing was and my side of the world,
family doesn't really not really welcoming at time, So we
was really living that on the verge of street life
type vibe outside all night long, breaking day, literally staying

(01:05:46):
outside with buckshots, smoking marijuana all day long. So that
was our mentality. When the boom spot go, Yo, we
gotta keep it moved. We was really living like that,
and we was not looking for Vie. We wasn't outside.
We went through the mischievous part as kids do because

(01:06:06):
that's what's out there, and we're trying to find some
excitement experiment. But we're trying to see what we could
take this other creative aspect, and we noticed that we
got something. So we're trying to motivate each other like that,
keep it movings and keeping moving. When I first heard method, man, yo,
I got a k I am, I was like, yo,
we made it.

Speaker 8 (01:06:25):
Using that lego.

Speaker 6 (01:06:27):
Yes, we talked earlier about Bucktown, so I don't want
to go back into it, but tell me a few
notable artists that you were taking them back by when
they said yo, that joint. I heard it like people
that you looked up to or people just out of
the blues hit you with that ge.

Speaker 2 (01:06:48):
Okay, we might have a whole bunch of book Towns
waiting to get on trained and surround us.

Speaker 5 (01:06:57):
Jay z.

Speaker 8 (01:07:01):
Uh call for but long with yo, biggie, Can I
say we I really need no?

Speaker 5 (01:07:13):
I mean, I mean you just mentioned some of the greatest.

Speaker 2 (01:07:16):
So, I mean one of the first rappers I heard
say our name in the rap was Redman, and that's
like my top one of my top guys, you know,
red Men. So when you talk about putting the album
together and sequencing, red Man is another one.

Speaker 8 (01:07:32):
The sequence game is phenomenal?

Speaker 2 (01:07:34):
Is is uh?

Speaker 8 (01:07:36):
Skits game?

Speaker 10 (01:07:38):
Is?

Speaker 2 (01:07:39):
We wanted skits? The record label told us did you
get paid for ten songs? Were like, wow, okay, so
we can't hold the ten. We're just gonna just We're
just gonna let it all go out whatever. So we
have I don't want to rush, just keep it in context.
We have got to let it one two skits survey

(01:08:01):
or something like that.

Speaker 10 (01:08:02):
Yeah, but before we get off Bucktown, I will say this,
the sample was perfect. Yeah, using that sample that the
very few songs have perfect samples, that one did. And
I don't know, man, it took me a long time
to mimic that hook the way you kind of roll
the words and ship the original coun I mean it

(01:08:22):
was like fucking for white dude. You know, the phonetics
just don't go in that direction. So it took me
a while, but I fucking mastered.

Speaker 1 (01:08:29):
It would be giving you new gun.

Speaker 16 (01:08:31):
Clapforks, would be giving your new gun clap bucks, would
give a new gun clapfors gun.

Speaker 9 (01:08:41):
Just denied that branks the dad because I'm talking in
one of the gangs. Stuff tried to let the I
go of a hood from the streets. Test the wrong dread.
Now the maniton sleep. It's the ripper I learned in
the side.

Speaker 4 (01:08:53):
T's up the.

Speaker 1 (01:08:54):
Gunjoe, and I'm on again. Hi, my bread, my food
is session.

Speaker 9 (01:08:58):
Learn your lesson or get blast by mister Smith or
mister west.

Speaker 1 (01:09:02):
Walktown to ever be weird by swears clear to me.
Get in the weed.

Speaker 9 (01:09:06):
Now we're really see night froll round the way a
rerigon who has come out to belay.

Speaker 1 (01:09:11):
For break there it's just the regular every day say
the leion.

Speaker 9 (01:09:15):
Now mine so the way Brown Street divide that time
I find.

Speaker 1 (01:09:19):
Reality follows me.

Speaker 5 (01:09:20):
We're by room.

Speaker 1 (01:09:21):
We reached sixty degrees back, going back.

Speaker 8 (01:09:24):
I'll tell you a funny story about that.

Speaker 2 (01:09:26):
Right when we were recording it, mister walk had had
decided to go, Yo, I want to switch it up
and have this guy say this part and this guy
say this part. So I was in there saying.

Speaker 8 (01:09:44):
Bucktown and he was like, Yo, what's wrong with your voice?

Speaker 2 (01:09:50):
I sounded a horrible because I was I don't know
if I was caught in between a harmonizing and using
my regular voice.

Speaker 8 (01:09:57):
Book come book, come like.

Speaker 5 (01:10:00):
Yo, yo, you know what, come on?

Speaker 8 (01:10:02):
We need somebody to just say it, just say it
like you're saying it.

Speaker 2 (01:10:06):
And then when you get to the home of the
your regular like that's top Dog saying that part, and
it's I'm saying one part.

Speaker 8 (01:10:15):
So we had to really work through that too, so
it's not.

Speaker 10 (01:10:18):
Really It was good though, man.

Speaker 11 (01:10:21):
Yeah, there's so there's like three songs where you can
play the first second, maybe even half a second of
that track, and Bucktown's one of them. Mine's playing tricks
with that beat, and then I'd say flavor in your
ear and it's right up there. Those three songs. All
you got to do is hear half a second, maybe

(01:10:43):
one full second, and you just buck down.

Speaker 10 (01:10:46):
Yeah, that'd be great for that Jamie Fox show.

Speaker 9 (01:10:49):
Come on, you know what, I've been a bad host, Okay,
I do not want to stereotype.

Speaker 1 (01:10:56):
I'm telling you, I know everybody knows hip hop.

Speaker 2 (01:11:02):
I'm just kidding you go a lot of money in
the board, three thousand dollars hit it.

Speaker 8 (01:11:07):
I'm grateful because those that song is one of the
ones like when we go.

Speaker 2 (01:11:10):
We just performed in Coney Island with Gorilla Nim's and
he brought out he brought out these guys from all
the five boroughs and it was done well. It's chaotic
hip hop at its finest. But to be on the
stage representing Brooklyn's ain't going Bucktown in the middle of

(01:11:32):
Coney Island, It's crazy. Like you said thirty years later
that it feels fresh, it feels huge, you know, it
feels maxive.

Speaker 8 (01:11:43):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:11:44):
So I'm I'm grateful that song travel to where it
goes because we don't have to do no other songs.
And sometimes I'll be upset about that, like, yeah, we
got mad John Blaze stuff. Yo, we got seven hours,
but they're gonna be here in Bucktown. Let me in
sound where. Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:12:00):
Yeah, the next joint is stand Strong, which not the DV.
But you did a tiny desk before tiny dusks even
became what it is today. Uh, twenty eighteen, and this
was one of the joints that you did on there,
and uh, it's a dope joint. I want you to
just tell the listeners you know one or two things
that you remember when making this joint.

Speaker 1 (01:12:23):
They brick sneaks upon my camp once more.

Speaker 9 (01:12:25):
Niggas drowning in blackness, stretched on the floor breakfast.

Speaker 1 (01:12:28):
To serve that Carladilla from the side.

Speaker 4 (01:12:30):
Oh boy, go ahead it but no, boy, I want
to die.

Speaker 9 (01:12:33):
Watch the thin line up, rap reality, get yourself hurt,
even cause fatal casualty. See let me explain the saint
no game. The words you talking have You're coming right
about your friend. You understand where I'm coming from. Slim
walked down to stay to mind Dad, I'm trapped in
If you're wanting to see me, pasn't send seed keep
your actions rail everything the b I red would get

(01:12:54):
mine the UF them lick God for shot because the
roots billy around my way to get to hide. Had
to read locate update with my in the bill then
destroyed win a step beeniness, sitting the right to spher
end the night, who road tight, who can't flick no doubt,
that's right now. You're saying the sad him asking me
to stop them from throwing away your sloppy doubles into

(01:13:14):
the husband miss. But I got lyrics out. The sims hurt,
the prices of bad make you never talk again, and
then you call yourself a man. I pray them to understand.
Never step into your business, nless you got a clan.
I walk around town with my plans shrapped down. That's
only because it's mad real in buff Town. It gets
mad deep in the streets when you got to watch
your back for the beasts.

Speaker 4 (01:13:34):
And the knees. Even your peace step to.

Speaker 9 (01:13:36):
My business, stand strong on my own tooth, do what
died for, do to get through. If you're for real,
then you know that did I do what die and die?

Speaker 1 (01:13:45):
I never ran, never will stand strong.

Speaker 2 (01:13:48):
It's personally, you know, it's like like I said, beat,
I was in a place where I was, you know,
just down.

Speaker 8 (01:14:01):
I mean we was. We didn't have any money, but
we had each other. And this is going to hit.
We're gonna hear like a lot of the next song
that you name, are gonna go to that?

Speaker 5 (01:14:13):
You got an e walk on your lap?

Speaker 2 (01:14:14):
What is that?

Speaker 10 (01:14:16):
Man is about to tell a deep story and you
bring up freaking.

Speaker 5 (01:14:23):
Sorry more.

Speaker 2 (01:14:29):
No, but it was it was it was rough times
that we was going through. Man, So that's like, you know,
just trying to have these themes that can inspire to
inspire us to stay on it. I can't remember the
exact Yeah, this is where Tech would be like, he's
like the Wolverine and this ship he remembers like stuff.

(01:14:49):
A lot of them keep points, but I know going
through those going through this hard this hard space for us,
and it seemed like a lot of uh guess adversary
of ship.

Speaker 8 (01:15:04):
Going to the studio was not fun.

Speaker 2 (01:15:06):
I mean it was fun being in the studio, but
like we was literally still doing shit like hopping the subway.
You wasn't rolling in the cadillac. He wasn't getting picked
up in the cat. We was sharing a hero sandwich.
You know, he wasn't in No Green.

Speaker 8 (01:15:20):
We didn't know nothing about what it was supposed to be.
We just knew that we wanted to get to.

Speaker 10 (01:15:25):
Work, and these are independent studios. It's not like it
was plush. A lot of ship went down on these.

Speaker 8 (01:15:31):
Places in that year.

Speaker 2 (01:15:33):
So yeah, and and well what was great, But it
was being in dn D because at that time we
was out of the basement and we started seeing all
these New Yorkers we see in the East New York cats,
we seeing them uptown guys. We're seeing some of the
Queen's guys coming through. And it's trippy. Yeah, it is trippy, man,

(01:15:57):
it's trippy. And one thing that's beautiful, it is about
hip hop. It's not it's like being in the game room.
You know, back in the days we just had the
game rooms. It was dangerous, man, you got you go
in there, it's dangerous in the games. Yeah, and this
was like, you know, you go in the studio, you
got only different faces and different guys, and it's dangerous.

Speaker 8 (01:16:20):
But everybody is there to make music. Not everybody, not everybody.

Speaker 2 (01:16:26):
But in the middle of the in the middle of
this mezzanine, you have like this pool table and it's
the guy's communicate. So you'd be smoking weed, the jab,
the damage it. You know what I'm saying, You might
get be smoking with some guys, queens your you know,
it's like we are suddenly building a community, so we

(01:16:47):
talk about nineteen ninety five. We're kicking it with these
guys in real time, like we're friends with Ray Kwong.

Speaker 6 (01:16:52):
We did a D and D tribute years ago and
we had gave on the show. So we definitely got
some questions for you, because one due passes remains one
of the greates. But let's knock this out because I
definitely want to talk about.

Speaker 10 (01:17:06):
Can I just can I just circle back to your
tiny desk Jay real quick, because you did that. You know,
you did this track on tiny desk, like Jay said,
but you could see the emotion because you were working
with a live band, like the vibe you had. I mean,
it was pretty fucking cool to watch, and I know
that it seemed like you got very emotional. To have
a band's much different than working with like drum machines.

(01:17:28):
That's very syncopated, and a band can kind of like
follow your tempo and your slow ups and the changes.
But you know, the emotion you showed was again vulnerable,
which I did not expect. So I want to say,
you know, props to that, but you kind of shouted
out Anthony Boardine.

Speaker 2 (01:17:48):
Theoretically, this goes out to our soldiers, our street soldiers,
and and everybody else. So rest of peace, Anthony board
dain peace, tod banger. Let's stay a lot of people.
Let's do it where my souldiers at staying strong.

Speaker 9 (01:18:05):
Let's go it.

Speaker 7 (01:18:07):
Smaller, smatch it out, walk around town with the pound
strap down.

Speaker 2 (01:18:21):
That's only because it's mad really in Bucktown.

Speaker 1 (01:18:23):
It gets mad deep in the street. Treat when you
got to watch it back to bees.

Speaker 9 (01:18:28):
Oh take brick sneaks up on my camp once more.
Make you drowned in black and stretched on the floor.
Breakfasts to serve the killer villa from the sky by goheavan,
but no bla one die wash the thin line enough
rapping reality, get yourself hurt even coarse faded casualty season.
Let me explain what this ain't no game? The work

(01:18:48):
you chalk, you have, you coming right about your frame.
You understand where I'm coming from. Slim walk down the
state of mind that I'm trapped in. If you want
to see me, have a sense, keep your act your
real every ain't gonna be all ready the wicked minded
look off for shot. Of course, the rooms Philly ran
my way to get hot, had to relocate update with

(01:19:08):
in the build and destroyed when a step in the
center run aside from in the night, who road tight.

Speaker 19 (01:19:14):
Man who can't click nor doubt that's right now you're
saying game that sat him asking me to stop them
from going away, slap the double chin and Hudson missed
the rip around the lyrics South to Thames, hurt your
pride with bad make.

Speaker 9 (01:19:26):
You never talk again, but you call yourself a man
for him to understand, never step into your business less
you got a clan plan.

Speaker 10 (01:19:34):
You know, you're like this is for like these are
for like my people in the streets doing what they do.
But I want to shout out Anthony Bourdain.

Speaker 1 (01:19:42):
Did you have any connection then or.

Speaker 10 (01:19:44):
Is that just like a shout out of the dark.

Speaker 8 (01:19:46):
I I just liked the guy. I watched the show.
We had did a concert in New York.

Speaker 2 (01:19:58):
And he was there, but I didn't get to meet
him because because the riot broke out. This is when
he was getting into it with the police and all
of that, and like I was so angry, Like I
was like the riot, but I didn't meet Anthony Bourdain
And like, come on, I'm and I like to cook
a little bit more so I like to go out

(01:20:21):
and experience life. And then I started to find that
he was like like he had a rough time, like
he was going through some rough stuff.

Speaker 8 (01:20:29):
You know what I mean.

Speaker 10 (01:20:30):
That was a parallel I was trying to connect.

Speaker 8 (01:20:32):
Yeah, man, I didn't know that at first.

Speaker 2 (01:20:34):
Maybe that brought it to me, and it's like something
I noticed about it, but I was already it drew
something to me. So I'll be to this day, I'll
be outside. I'd be like, yo, I'm Tony Bourdain. Man,
I'm still outside.

Speaker 8 (01:20:45):
I'm trying a new food. I wanted the truck to
see it was good. I'm doing my little blog.

Speaker 10 (01:20:50):
That's cool man.

Speaker 6 (01:20:51):
Well I'm trying to think because the tiny dust that
you did, it was in twenty eighteen, Like I said,
it was back when before Abby blew it up to
what it is today. And Boardain died in twenty eighteen,
so could have been you acknowledging him.

Speaker 2 (01:21:08):
It could have cried when he passed away. Where it
could have I'm just not good with the times. But yeah,
about right.

Speaker 6 (01:21:17):
So the next joint, we're actually at nine of I
think there's sixteen tracks off this Shining and Next Ship
featuring a Buckshot.

Speaker 10 (01:21:26):
This is.

Speaker 6 (01:21:27):
This is like the first time we hear Buckshot on
your record. Evil d and Walt Co produce it. Give
me a story about Buck and why.

Speaker 2 (01:21:37):
He was on this record.

Speaker 1 (01:21:42):
Yea, yeah, Duck down in the house like this.

Speaker 9 (01:21:47):
We're doing it like this on the ball Mardi blunted
ted and you know what I'm saying, origin at Crooks staff.

Speaker 10 (01:21:56):
Like this, Oh next ship.

Speaker 9 (01:22:00):
Block God, best mind your alarm block a shot, empty dot,
the flip bufferhooded kids block how doing the mission for
the green Wood, his team twisting up buds, puffing on
bloods it in always red eye with an evil scheme
in mind, pulling off stings with his partners in crime,
not a kid in the worldly Saint Plinty slipped pot,
running up the spots with the caloricom shots, lounging on

(01:22:22):
the shrip with its tims and hiss math his right
hand standing on the side to the left. Never leave
the joint without packed ends. The burner got the street
smart chief of Killer Bee murdered. It's no relaxing, just
taxing stoness. The way you're the walk when you're black
in supporting the habits is getting too hectic.

Speaker 4 (01:22:40):
Gott to kick it with my son about some more
next ship.

Speaker 9 (01:22:43):
Prescis be building in my mom Sometimes it wags that
have me counting the many reasons why crime hates. I
think about the hustling games. Should I've maintained nor flipping
to shift to the fast lank We gotta Martin takes
due to make fresh. We're working with submit, trying to
make bricks, to make a call and get on the
poll in.

Speaker 1 (01:23:02):
The front cheek because we won't be the ones to
take a force.

Speaker 9 (01:23:05):
Recognize me, so they might surprise me.

Speaker 1 (01:23:07):
But if they tried me, that wouldn't surprise me.

Speaker 9 (01:23:10):
But you're not you right, soaping for those lasco for me,
hope that we won't survive.

Speaker 4 (01:23:19):
In New York shit isl Stow his way out the.

Speaker 2 (01:23:26):
Box set it off for us man and it was
beautiful for somebody, But it was beautiful for him because
he wasn't like trying to hark the spotlight or dictate
what we should do, sat there and allowed us to breathe.
And you know you hear him doing a chorus. He's

(01:23:48):
not even really rapping. He's like, yo, I want my
brother's technis till the shine. And he saw us sit
with him through those days of into the stage, freezing
and calliope, sharing the bagel, sharing a bagel and a
cup of hot chocolate, and I guess we just felt

(01:24:13):
that spiritual connection, you know. So for us we could
have some weird way we could afford by two bags
a week. During his session, you get the you know,
we're dealing with this element of of the flowers and
the essence or the herbs, or the elevation as we say.

(01:24:34):
And then you got this guy Buckshot who was just floating,
you know. So now we're taking the lingo to another
He's watching us and his I guess satisfaction is making
him high.

Speaker 10 (01:24:47):
Wow, because that song was laid back, unlike the other
tracks on the album. And like you hear that that
hard sp twelve hundred filter and that jazz sample comes in,
You're like, damn, I didn't expect that. Where's the rugged,
where's the other ship? So it was a cool it
was a cool change up midway through.

Speaker 2 (01:25:04):
So that's where you start getting that Blacksmith for Western
Favor because it's dusty and it's it's very it's it's
a little elusive and mysterious. And then you start seeing
Box start to transfer into that even more later on the.

Speaker 6 (01:25:19):
Next joint is what I like to call the quintessential
boot camp posse cut right. Every album has like one.
You can always expect this was it so and and
this featured so. So let's break you down because this
does feature showing price right.

Speaker 8 (01:25:36):
Got a light up for that one.

Speaker 6 (01:25:38):
Oh no no, So this is like this is the
first time we hear cohesive bab five Smith and Wesson,
and it was it was like I said that quintessential
duck down posse shut.

Speaker 4 (01:26:00):
Be's wax, he's back for wat sweet scats.

Speaker 21 (01:26:02):
We don't be exact DELI be raps out bogie a
dog black tim. That's why it's getting this step to
me do we have to result? Who fits to come?
It's will put myself. That's when the frock he rucks.
So think not of what I ever, what I use.
Just recognize when the mother like light.

Speaker 9 (01:26:18):
Rules Mann caring to MC gone, try fifty m C
and forty of them done died from health to self
to do the rams up the dog inflict the rift.

Speaker 1 (01:26:27):
That I'm gonna let the full four park.

Speaker 9 (01:26:29):
Everybody knows when my natty had rows, I turned into
what leapy weapons and start stepping their toes. I waste
no time when I move my my block and then
knocking at the block like y'all was cold.

Speaker 22 (01:26:39):
Now why you want to fuck wearing my bull can
fool and subvib increate you and buck playing my box.

Speaker 4 (01:26:46):
Camp and to night night, oh Rose?

Speaker 22 (01:26:50):
Why you want to balk wear my bull can? Who
can set vibe in greet you and coming.

Speaker 10 (01:26:56):
Through represent the bull can flicking tonight.

Speaker 4 (01:27:00):
Roads black them sees have haster be with that. I
fears no fears, and that's worth So my driveship, I.

Speaker 14 (01:27:06):
Break your whole fucking crew win half filled the rap
as the gun clappers clap dad ass one time.

Speaker 1 (01:27:12):
For your mind.

Speaker 14 (01:27:13):
Hit that ass for love long time on the dotted
line of how I lived my lifetime reality hit me
yet some degrees.

Speaker 1 (01:27:19):
Now my eyes belean wow, because I.

Speaker 23 (01:27:21):
Just bring it on the skelter be the big rock
God to help you. I beats more astan mom dukes
the help I gets open like guards when I be
drooping great mobbie boots and bagging pants, grouping, pooping and
hollering niggashut your mother because I might have just wallowed
when out hope and just love because the bugs in
my domey rome in the streets with my chrome, my plastic,

(01:27:41):
my camps match.

Speaker 2 (01:27:42):
If I get that ass.

Speaker 24 (01:27:43):
Whipped, nothing, man not die, nothing, Man not come try
to test the worry I I man, no, no, Why
a new breed of comper russ on the rise, step
to my boot caamper catch black.

Speaker 1 (01:27:53):
Guys on that help.

Speaker 4 (01:27:54):
The skelter's done, the clap let's smiff and wesson.

Speaker 9 (01:27:57):
Coming through stumping Now, nor you whack rappers with the
great he dreaded the mad ball had fanned the corny
ship to set. So now you please, like your man blessed.
We can't in twisted, as I said himself, for pay,
man flowing, shake the steak, picking up the next.

Speaker 4 (01:28:09):
Pay, make you for a smell? Why your lady tool
for sluts in them chests?

Speaker 2 (01:28:14):
No more?

Speaker 4 (01:28:14):
No less to think about it, of what your mission
is impossible?

Speaker 2 (01:28:18):
For me?

Speaker 9 (01:28:18):
Your vegetable lane up in the hospital, do your silly
wabbit tricks, and for kids.

Speaker 4 (01:28:22):
Don't you know that you fuck with my boot jump
and get your wick push back?

Speaker 2 (01:28:27):
Oh and sree, that's what I got to say about
that one. I couldn't wait to put my friends on
the song. I could not wait. These are all my friends.
They are all from my neighborhood. Like for me, this
was like me spiking the ball. I'm gonna take this

(01:28:48):
moment to myself and say thank you to the people
that baby who I am today, And it's these guys.
Because when I got with Buck and we started building
a friend I always talked about these guys and I
knew that I couldn't bring them around until we made
enough space at the table. You know, some guys, they

(01:29:10):
get anxious and they're like, Yo, I'm ready, I'm ready,
I'm ready, I'm ready. We had to cultivate the relationship,
which is important, which I think is why we can
appreciate the caaraderie more than just going, hey, I know
some rappers. I know some rappers like these are my brothers.
Top Dog is my blood relative. We lived in the
same house, and I think he broke a lot of
my Star Wars toys matter of fact, but I'm not

(01:29:34):
going to plan it all on him. But I will
say it feels good to share success with your loved
ones instead of going, yo, look what I have, Look
what I have. So being able to bring them to
the studio and let all of these guys do their
thing and just have this opportunity to just splash. Now
that's a reality. Or I can say it's going to

(01:29:56):
come true. You know, an incomes the shit where you
have like Nervous Records going, you know what, you can't
use this song? What Nope, you can't use this song
because these guys are not signed to the label.

Speaker 10 (01:30:15):
I mean your name on the contract script skirt.

Speaker 2 (01:30:18):
We was not aware of all of the red tape
and the fine print stuff. We thought we was making
great music and just you know, just building off the
sound and and and enthusiasm, and we're gonna bring these
guys into the fold.

Speaker 8 (01:30:33):
In our mind they might even sign.

Speaker 2 (01:30:35):
We don't know.

Speaker 8 (01:30:37):
But but Nervous had to gave us.

Speaker 2 (01:30:39):
This this this uh this border and we dealt with
that accordingly. Who was able to get past that? And yeah?
Oh another fun fact about that song is when it
was time to uh mix it, we wanted to mix

(01:31:02):
it like us the artists. Keep in mind, we don't
do that shit.

Speaker 8 (01:31:09):
So Evil D was not really digging that. He was like, yo,
I can't.

Speaker 2 (01:31:14):
He was so perturbed he had to leave the control room.
He said, you know what, I'm out, I'm gonna stand
over here. You guys do y'all version.

Speaker 8 (01:31:27):
And I'm going to do my version.

Speaker 2 (01:31:29):
So we was in there on it. Can you imagine
the board at the time, like we know, of course
we had an engineer, but we didn't know how to
work it. The engineer was navigating this too, but we
wanted to drop head, drop this, come here, change you.
When Louisville comes in, Evil d was like, that's not
supposed to go there.

Speaker 8 (01:31:48):
That's supposed to be He was like, nah, we gotta
switch it up.

Speaker 2 (01:31:50):
It's like eight guys only we want. He was pissed.

Speaker 8 (01:31:53):
Man, he was pissed.

Speaker 2 (01:31:54):
But ultimately me one our mix was triumphant and you know,
we get to hear these guys just go eight.

Speaker 8 (01:32:04):
On the track.

Speaker 11 (01:32:06):
So so if I'm piecing this together properly because of
you and text batteries in your back and you love
for your friends and hip hop, you all really pretty
much created the BCC like it was it was. Buck
Shot right and y'all were part of the Enter the

(01:32:28):
Stage album, Yes, but you all took it and made
that ship grow.

Speaker 8 (01:32:34):
Right, are brilliant.

Speaker 5 (01:32:35):
My friend.

Speaker 2 (01:32:39):
Buckshot would attested that, you know he would have tested
that will never find a need to go first because
we all did it as a collective family.

Speaker 8 (01:32:48):
But that's where that's the conception, you know.

Speaker 10 (01:32:51):
Kind of your brain child, right like you you Yeah,
And that was tough because Buckshot. I try to tell
these guys living in New York at the time, buck
Shot was followed like a king, a god man, like
he just had Everyone was on buck shot ship. If
he went to the left and everyone was going to
the right, believe me, they were going following him.

Speaker 2 (01:33:13):
Bro.

Speaker 8 (01:33:14):
Let me tell you something.

Speaker 2 (01:33:16):
Guys love buck Shot like he's a fucking action triggured dog.

Speaker 8 (01:33:19):
Like they want to take this guy like all everybody.

Speaker 2 (01:33:24):
I've seen people give him so much love throughout the industry.
Guys that we look up to. A big guy like
car us One that's his friend t These guys are cool,
they hang out, They talked snoop doggy dogs. He seen
Buck and was like yo, shure yo, like it's incredible.
How one day man Jack the rapper or how could

(01:33:47):
I be down one of those? And Nas walked past
Buck and was like, yo, man, I'll be wanting to
rhyme like you, bro.

Speaker 8 (01:33:54):
I was almost fainted.

Speaker 2 (01:33:57):
We love but I understood what he said because it's
that when you get that mysterious flow. And I think
we heard birth that by bringing our whatever whatever our
season it was, and Buck finding himself through that as well.

Speaker 8 (01:34:14):
So it was it was a it was a beautiful symbiosis.

Speaker 6 (01:34:18):
Man, It's great for us everybody. When when you said
Buck would go left, everybody would follow him. That probably
stopped around the BDI the Thug era though right.

Speaker 5 (01:34:29):
That album did happened.

Speaker 6 (01:34:31):
That that wasn't like the That wasn't what people were
accustomed to when it came to him, and it sounded like,
I don't want to go off, but just because you
had mentioned it, Dray, Yeah, it sounded like he was
almost conflicted on the artist he wanted to be.

Speaker 10 (01:34:45):
That might be in the beginning, it was a very
different thing.

Speaker 2 (01:34:49):
Man.

Speaker 10 (01:34:49):
He was the he was the nucleus. And I'm telling you,
if you went to a show and he was there,
or you were in a cipher and he was there,
or you were at the new music seminar, whatever, they
followed him like he was a god. And they didn't
have that hip hop yet. I'm telling you there was
something about him, and they've all circulated.

Speaker 5 (01:35:09):
He breathed new life into like New York hip hop.

Speaker 2 (01:35:12):
You know I saw that as well, and that's we
never tampered with that. We never go I, well, he's
not the boss or the leader. Yeah, boss, that's his name,
and that bad I Doug is birth from hanging out
with Tupac.

Speaker 6 (01:35:26):
Well, I was gonna say, you know, POC had that
effect because if you think about it, yetious Fretch Fretch
kind of switched things up a little bit after that
relationship as well. So but we don't have to go
we don't have to go all there. Let's go to
probably one of my favorite songs off the album. This
is a song that is, to me, the epitome of elevation.

(01:35:48):
When you listen to this song, you feel high. It
takes you to another place. This is probably my favorite
evil D joint outside of the classics we were talking about,
but Hallucination, let's talk about this record. It is arguably
one of the best on this record probably I don't know,

(01:36:09):
maybe this is hyperbole, but one of the most slept
on in the entire catalog of Let's see the boot
can't Click Like this song is so good and I
don't think it gets the accolades it deserves.

Speaker 5 (01:36:22):
But let's talk about that now.

Speaker 9 (01:36:25):
Sitting doing the shit and profit and don't show light effect.
Everything's looping, slow, slipping to a deeps on the sand.
Let the phone bring me home, sack and bit my
feet A motion to one of the yoga so what
they get? Check out this promposition. There's money to be
and I'm in the mood to go fishing. Whatever they're good,
they'll be time to wash my ass. My happit that
you know what they feinting?

Speaker 12 (01:36:44):
What the gub?

Speaker 1 (01:36:44):
What you gotta do because.

Speaker 9 (01:36:46):
I'm on my way in the car because when I
get there, Yo, weady likes to BORROWI. Right now, we're
more to the south to get more info. Want to
so heard about? Gotta make sure everything secure. You can't
let me and my man let this dress slip past.

Speaker 1 (01:36:59):
I'm hands the man's south happy today.

Speaker 9 (01:37:02):
I hope they don't try to get in the way
of our pain. Already high noon the man, because gotta
take a quick shaller get dressed. The bounce draped up
for Teae trapped on the gender roles rop Romata four
off Premanniles blazes up, the blows up the fourth, fifth
and for why rifle prombody them stiff.

Speaker 4 (01:37:20):
Ud mind dere going wrap by my door, serve me.

Speaker 10 (01:37:23):
At work on it?

Speaker 1 (01:37:24):
Or up for yo with Smith? Or now as t
what up? She hold up son?

Speaker 4 (01:37:28):
Let me put the back on.

Speaker 9 (01:37:29):
Say hey, yo kid, it smells like fresh room sets
less twist up some trees, folks.

Speaker 3 (01:37:34):
Jet.

Speaker 8 (01:37:36):
I ain't wanted to light up on that.

Speaker 14 (01:37:38):
That was.

Speaker 2 (01:37:41):
Uh my, my, my lovely queen senatl smiff She's would
definitely concur with you on that.

Speaker 8 (01:37:49):
And I have to be honest, that is not one
of my favorite songs.

Speaker 2 (01:37:53):
And it took me a while because I feel like
I always felt like the song needed to be finished,
you know, and that was just some.

Speaker 8 (01:38:05):
Weird though, I guess writing thing with me I love.

Speaker 5 (01:38:10):
What do you mean by that that need to be finished?
What was it missing?

Speaker 2 (01:38:13):
I just felt like the story was still going. I
was still trapped in a moment, you know. It's like
it was a story. It was something that was happening,
and it like when I even when I listened to
it to it today, it feel like it should be
a film to that whole song, Like I want to know,
I want to see how that went down, Like it's
something happening that I missed something though, But it's pieces.

Speaker 8 (01:38:35):
I guess it's the I guess it's left up.

Speaker 2 (01:38:37):
To interpretation, and that's where it gives it fans opportunity
to kind of engage in that sense.

Speaker 10 (01:38:45):
Structurally it was different though, you know, it was like
one of it was a faster tempo song. The whistle sample,
whatever the hell that is is so haunting. It's so
fucking like it reminded me of like a nine track,
you know, like it was like these samples that were
like from France, you know, hard to find, you know,
but to echo j it was one of the deep

(01:39:06):
cuts of the album's standout, you know what I'm saying,
Not one of your favorites, but it was the deep
cut favorite. Like it just had a different feel to it.

Speaker 2 (01:39:14):
I will say it is slept on and when we
perform it, because we don't often do, it's an interesting
response that the crowd had, so it makes me understand
it more, like I this is still this is the journey.
And and and how you say, like it sounds like
when you're listening to it, it sounds like you're smoking.

Speaker 8 (01:39:36):
I feel like somebody is.

Speaker 2 (01:39:41):
But it's a sensation So that's what That's what I'm
able to do, is a transfer of that all feelings aside,
like the beat takes you there, forget about this is
without so yeah, a lot of times it just tells
you if you can tap into that, then you can
ride it out. So for me, I just have my
little weird, old, quirky creative stuff.

Speaker 8 (01:40:05):
But I do love the.

Speaker 11 (01:40:06):
Song thirty years later, and I'm not sure if it
was you were tech who says it in the beginning
of the song, But would you still not order the
Coleslaw and get extra price or would you get the
colt Slaw.

Speaker 1 (01:40:17):
Today it's all.

Speaker 21 (01:40:19):
About two pieces, two pieces with biscuits, no motherfucking Coast Law,
bashed potatoes.

Speaker 14 (01:40:25):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (01:40:26):
Fuck all that ship that was shown Price, Oh shit,
I propos for him.

Speaker 8 (01:40:32):
This two pieces of That's when you first heard Sean
Price and he was funny.

Speaker 11 (01:40:41):
Get the fuck out of here.

Speaker 18 (01:40:42):
That was that was.

Speaker 6 (01:40:46):
It really takes you to like a different dimension. This
is like the buckeroo bonds eye of hip hop songs.
You know what I'm saying, Like this is truly you
are high just listening to it, And yeah, I'm sure
it's the beat. But to me, it's a perfect song.
So I'm glad it is what it is. I know
you wrote it, so you may have a different feel,
but it's the fans.

Speaker 2 (01:41:06):
It's a It's an amazing song because it just reminds
me of the journey, like we was a You gotta
remember we started at the beginning of this album. We
was in the basement when we finally was able to
make it. Now we're in D and D studios. What
did we do. We brought all our friends from the
projects into this place. I don't think none of us
was drinking no high priced liquor yet, So whatever kind

(01:41:29):
of bum juice we might have been able to afford,
it definitely was forty ounces in there somewhere. We probably
our version of probably drinking high class was probably like
like like private stock.

Speaker 8 (01:41:44):
You know, like we're not gonna do oh any day.
But we all were smoking. So for Beat minus, they
never saw that I'm gonna go as far as a buckshot.
He wasn't seeing that either. Once we started, Once the
Coco Brothers.

Speaker 2 (01:41:58):
Started bringing all that one round, and and and and
we started getting high in the studio. We started spending
the night in D and D, and we booked the
whole room for like the monment and we were sleeping
in there for real. So wal Walter, mister Walt was
was was a scientist. He was able to tap into

(01:42:20):
that and be like, you know what, I need ad libs.
Everybody get into the room and just smoke weed and talk.
I'm gonna I'm gonna record it, right. So so when
you hear yo, let me let me ask you something.
Uh So Dick supposed to get on it. They just
supposed to hit this right like he just running the tap.

(01:42:41):
These are these a bunch of kids in the studio,
like you'll know they this is no set up, Like
I'm gonna say this, and then you're gonna say this,
and then we're gonna say that. Bruck is like here
just he's he's slipping off like recorded, let's go. The
only thing that's uh set up is the next one,
the next song.

Speaker 8 (01:43:00):
I ain't gonna brush.

Speaker 6 (01:43:02):
Poor Dave and Doug they must have had a heart attack.
But you guys were running rampant in their studio.

Speaker 8 (01:43:06):
But you know what, Dave had some good manjuana. Marijuana
was better than nothing.

Speaker 10 (01:43:13):
That's it. And you guys knew where to go. So
that's that's a that's a big one.

Speaker 2 (01:43:17):
He had the good he.

Speaker 8 (01:43:18):
Had the him Primo. They had the good marijuana.

Speaker 2 (01:43:22):
We still had the we still had the coco split,
the chocolate lote and all of that. We wasn't even
going to the to the to the to the to
the It wasn't even into the turpines and tech had
to go uptown to get all of that.

Speaker 6 (01:43:36):
He used to say, he kind of like it was
like a carrot dangle, like if he had good weed,
a lot of the artists would want to go there
to record.

Speaker 10 (01:43:42):
That's true. He did say that that was.

Speaker 2 (01:43:46):
Because he had Primo. Primo was locked in. Yeah, Primo
was recording anywhere. Anything Premo did he did in D
and D. So yeah, the appeal to that is like, Wow,
I'm going to be in studio that D that Primo
records it.

Speaker 10 (01:44:01):
You guys are talking about weed. It just reminds me there.
I used to watch this public access show back in
the day, and you guys were on at talking about
like the cali weed not being good. There was this
bald guy with like the big goate. I used to
watch him all the time. He always had hip hop
dudes on. He's like, yo, were.

Speaker 4 (01:44:23):
Okay, this is Indy's inexposure. Are going hip hop wake
up goal and we're here.

Speaker 9 (01:44:27):
With slippingson, got that job, brow smoking little butt talking
about their loose CD chigging out shy.

Speaker 18 (01:44:41):
Morte cuts of pure hip hop listening pleasure or real
Because just as the herb you inhale, you inhale the
vibrations and the museum.

Speaker 4 (01:44:55):
Rhythm, the vibration, and over the vibration.

Speaker 18 (01:44:58):
You hear the voices of TECHNI still still myself, check
my heart to the right hand. It's also on the
shine and got our family, the Blue Camp family.

Speaker 10 (01:45:12):
We're here with part of the boot Camp click. I
forgot his name though, you know what I'm talking.

Speaker 5 (01:45:18):
About ball dude, but I can't remember the day.

Speaker 10 (01:45:22):
But you were talking like all down on like Cali's weed.
You're like, fuck Chronic, Chronic is ship.

Speaker 5 (01:45:28):
They can't fucking compete with what we got.

Speaker 10 (01:45:30):
I'm telling they're like, yoh, we got this never it's
funny man.

Speaker 5 (01:45:34):
Now they can't go back to Cali to do this
tour because you're just sucking up for that.

Speaker 8 (01:45:38):
Let me tell you something, we just can't and the
weed out there was incredible.

Speaker 2 (01:45:45):
Okay, that's what I'm talking about about, like being being
being a slave to your neighborhood. Like it's a good
thing and it's a bad thing because initially it allowed
us to hone in on what we knew and talk
about talk about it a game and transparent where we
wasn't trying to be these rap guys, uh, sensationalizing this

(01:46:06):
story that we didn't have no knowledge of, Like we
was talking about the stuff we was running through, the trains,
we was running through Manhattan, Brooklyn. We knew it was
it was scary to go to the Bronx. You got
to go to the Bronx. You had to be safe
and have go there with a purpose. We knew the
layer of the land before we were talking about gangs
and stuff like that. That's what you hear in the
shine and you hear that Brooklyn stuff. You hear that

(01:46:28):
gretty New York noisy trains, you hear sirens and stuff
like that. And then when you put those guys and
you ship them over to like La, we have no knowledge.
The only knowledge of La we have is watching the
movie Colors with you knowin It's like Wow, you think
everybody would have red or blue as a gang member.

(01:46:50):
It opens your your palette and it goes, wow, it's
not what you think it is. Right, So when you
hit that first calie where you like, oh snap, this
is different. So this is why Snoop said, y'all smoked
the dirt. We over here thinking we smoked some Jamaican weed.
Some of it is yard weed. The yard weed is

(01:47:12):
you know, grew in the yard. And then you got wow.
So now weed is a.

Speaker 8 (01:47:18):
Whole nother experience. Now I don't want to a whole
nother different.

Speaker 5 (01:47:23):
Crazy brac twelve Home Sweet Home.

Speaker 10 (01:47:28):
Maybe Paul bringing in that sample again Royers.

Speaker 8 (01:47:33):
Yo, and this is the birth of the cover right there.

Speaker 2 (01:47:39):
M Maybe Paul was living on I want to say
Church Avenue in Brooklyn at the time. He just moved there,
maybe a little relevant. And I went to his home
sitting on the floor flipping through the records. I see
this roy As record. I was done.

Speaker 8 (01:48:00):
Yeah. I used to do that as a kid.

Speaker 2 (01:48:03):
My dad had the records. I would flip through the
records and it's a lot of different things and pictures.
Always was fascinated by.

Speaker 10 (01:48:10):
The artwork, our great covers back then.

Speaker 2 (01:48:13):
Yeah, so that roy A was like you and I
stick with it. I took it to the team and
I said this right here should be the cover. We
could do this, and we're doing it like this.

Speaker 1 (01:48:25):
Check it out.

Speaker 9 (01:48:27):
This is the story of a place that we call
home with the kid's pack hate. When it's time the room,
everybody's on the scramble likes of.

Speaker 4 (01:48:35):
Gamble, hopping on the white horse.

Speaker 2 (01:48:37):
Trying to get the hand on the fast pace that
we call.

Speaker 4 (01:48:40):
The last race. Step foot for caution when you're into
this place. We got a spot on every block to
make this dreams come true. Just come correct? What the
snapses do you do? Come crying Brookes, still trying to
cop the dope. What wants to note?

Speaker 1 (01:48:53):
Do not you understand?

Speaker 4 (01:48:54):
Bro We can't afford to take shorts, so be playing sports.

Speaker 9 (01:48:57):
And proas need to be built, macs or even caught
for the deceased thats uplers and we still got the
power for y'all living mother for fucker, We'll go to
Brown comes back to the roofs see you at the
Revolution and crookedly true.

Speaker 2 (01:49:11):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:49:13):
I'm on the night on the draw right now through
m A P. You know what I'm saying, I'm about
to figure.

Speaker 4 (01:49:19):
Up the guns Philly right here on Lincoln. Yeah, let's
say you over there, I get back now, I want.

Speaker 6 (01:49:26):
To talculate you.

Speaker 16 (01:49:28):
Yeah, I'm gonna get the MONI done too.

Speaker 9 (01:49:31):
I ain't easy another to day yournough for dollar death.
Its rushing the clip to catch a color. Now one,
what that face?

Speaker 2 (01:49:38):
Now?

Speaker 4 (01:49:39):
Me and my people take surrounds, say you face that?

Speaker 2 (01:49:41):
What? Hey?

Speaker 1 (01:49:42):
Nonsense around?

Speaker 3 (01:49:43):
What they found?

Speaker 1 (01:49:44):
What was the delephant?

Speaker 9 (01:49:45):
The weecause they will set the represent the cause of brookers.

Speaker 2 (01:49:48):
Some ups us?

Speaker 1 (01:49:49):
Now what are our mold picks?

Speaker 4 (01:49:50):
Brush your weed?

Speaker 2 (01:49:51):
Handcuffing me?

Speaker 1 (01:49:52):
Take your home, LOUII into custody for crushing, then buy
some more.

Speaker 4 (01:49:56):
I restaurant on heat.

Speaker 1 (01:49:57):
You know I have to go through the bullshit.

Speaker 9 (01:49:59):
We get released, the hit the streets where the wall
steals off for all of y'all because they can't rule.
Locked behind the wall, no talking all them big.

Speaker 10 (01:50:06):
No jack No.

Speaker 9 (01:50:07):
Perhaps when the gaps ben niggas won't even know what happened.
I'll be glad when my man come home, because then
this o motherfucker's grabbed him from I was stuck on
the most.

Speaker 8 (01:50:18):
I was stuck on make helping everybody how to get
into the ball. This is for all of us.

Speaker 2 (01:50:24):
It's not just my time next time, this is for
all of us. So I'm like, yeah, I want to
jack back. And also, as I'm listening to the songs
and I heard home Sweet Home, I mean we live
in Brooklyn, I'm like, come on, yo, we gotta use that.

Speaker 10 (01:50:40):
Did you guys have that before diggable or was that
kind of simultaneous?

Speaker 2 (01:50:44):
I forget it was simultaneous. I think it was simultaneous
because I don't I don't you know, I didn't. I
don't remember bumping that. Like I feel like that was
like a fresh pack for me, seeing the record, hearing the.

Speaker 8 (01:50:58):
Songs I'm in and it was organic for you, it
wasn't like organic. I'm sitting in there.

Speaker 2 (01:51:04):
I'm sitting in a uh someone's crib and on the floor,
slipping through records like it's Christmas, going oh wow, this
is oh my god. I'm not a DJ, but now
I'm channeling like what I do as a kid, and
I'm just I'm learning.

Speaker 8 (01:51:18):
I'm absorbing this fascinating information and applying. And it's Brooklyn,
he said, Brooklyn.

Speaker 2 (01:51:26):
We gotta care.

Speaker 8 (01:51:26):
We gotta use that.

Speaker 2 (01:51:27):
What can we?

Speaker 8 (01:51:28):
How can we? And I'm saying with Baby Paul and
he did what to do?

Speaker 6 (01:51:32):
Speaking of Baby Paul, he actually did the next joint
as well, wipe your mouth.

Speaker 8 (01:51:37):
Oh snap. You know what I always forget about that
song that to be on the shot.

Speaker 10 (01:51:43):
It doesn't it doesn't sound like it either.

Speaker 5 (01:51:46):
This this song is like the one time for your
mind of the album.

Speaker 10 (01:51:52):
Was this that D and D as well, because it
sounds like someone went in and stole like a sample
out of DJ Premier's drum machine.

Speaker 2 (01:51:57):
That's what it sounds like.

Speaker 8 (01:51:58):
It's different and that's what before I always bring to
the table. But that was fun.

Speaker 2 (01:52:03):
At some point, it's like damn, you know, we're running
around and we're having fun.

Speaker 8 (01:52:09):
You know, we're not we're not counting bucks and bags of.

Speaker 2 (01:52:14):
Money, but we're doing something that we love and something
that we never really kind of like thought we'll get
kicked off like that. That's a fun song for us.
And yeah, all the lyrics is just still close to
heart and what we to talk.

Speaker 9 (01:52:28):
About walking down the street watching you locking me because
it because of Magnetic that it gives me your fucking
headache because it's pathetic When niggas jump on you, Dick
the s creadit. But it gets hectic when I said
that door five six jazz, niggas stops stressing Smith Wesson
from the corners of my brad eyes. I beat you,
but you don't know because I rock my rag real

(01:52:50):
low movie slow, because you might get moved on. Can
even get my frus on without niggas putting they screws
on shit they cool son assume one day I feel
I'm going to have to lay somebody for real. Lea
deal is still is strictly business. So when Jick Brider
slide around now dismissed it to get with boot camp
click how we flip shit on the regular forever, stay

(01:53:11):
on our own deck.

Speaker 20 (01:53:12):
Let up for shot, you know, to ride out, Let
go for shot. Your twist up gun, y'all. Let's talk
my shot.

Speaker 4 (01:53:19):
You know, Dick ride out, Let go shot your big
money spend doll.

Speaker 1 (01:53:23):
Let's go for shot.

Speaker 9 (01:53:24):
You know, Dick ride up the gun for shot.

Speaker 1 (01:53:27):
You know, follow out, Let's go for shot. You know,
Dick ride up, Let go for shot for.

Speaker 9 (01:53:33):
John Rostap fining your coat to the side of the
block we wove into see thee in the corner. When
you're looking out your window, the dick riders on sick
riders full.

Speaker 1 (01:53:42):
Look fars you was this large?

Speaker 4 (01:53:44):
Ain't even got a look hard You.

Speaker 9 (01:53:45):
Got a couple probably at the crib as we speak
in ninety nine. Wait, no woman in town for the week.
Don't laugh, don't stress him. Make a nigga hurt something.
Proceed to get some yard weed because the dread is plumping.
And as I approaching weed, if by my cousin roach whatever, Yeah,
as nigga, you your s's the dope and ain't he
just chimp keep it moving jam. And now he comes
to dick Rider screaming, you demand to let turn my back,

(01:54:08):
but the grab again. The head jick said, I know,
weary it back and see that's what I'm talking, sucking
dick while you're walking now used to talking of the
who can't stop men.

Speaker 8 (01:54:18):
Keep in mind that I'm like, I'm still kind of
like this is the close guy.

Speaker 2 (01:54:22):
We're still like coming off running with Deceptor decept cans
in New York City. It's still a notorious game. Some
of these guys still got charges and things of that nature.

Speaker 8 (01:54:32):
So when you see me with the the band down up.
That was just me trying to hide my face.

Speaker 2 (01:54:39):
It's like, yo, that's the guy that well, we got
beef and we're gonna go to the show and chickens
at So I'm like, I'm just like this, this is general. Still,
this is still we've seen me in the street. I'm
just But one day Drew I was like, yeah, you're
a good looking guy.

Speaker 8 (01:54:54):
Man, you gotta take it.

Speaker 5 (01:54:55):
You gotta come on.

Speaker 8 (01:54:56):
The ladies love you, man, you gotta show your face.

Speaker 6 (01:54:59):
Well, you went from sleeping on couches to sleeping at
D and D to sleeping in your own bed by
the time the album came out, Like, there's that trans
you know, transition of growth of an artist. And as
we get towards the end of this, we got, like
I said, one of the greatest B sides of the nineties,
Let's Get It On feature and rock again.

Speaker 2 (01:55:21):
This is.

Speaker 6 (01:55:23):
When let me ask you this question, when you decided
to put out Bucktown as a single, how many other
songs did you have to use before you decided on
Let's Get It On Us?

Speaker 2 (01:55:34):
The B side, well, Let's Get It On was one
of the first songs that we did. Okay, and you know,
Sometimes it's some was a thing with that first song.
Sometimes you fall in love with it.

Speaker 8 (01:55:49):
It just hits a groove. And what's funny.

Speaker 2 (01:55:54):
I remember recording the first demo I believe to be
Let's get it On, but it was to another beat.

Speaker 8 (01:56:02):
It was to a shaka con beat that was so fine.

Speaker 2 (01:56:07):
I had on a.

Speaker 8 (01:56:07):
Cassette and I freaking lost it.

Speaker 2 (01:56:11):
But I digress. I just loved that song. It was
not perfect, it's perfect. And this is when we develop
our writing style. Like being in the basement. You're sitting
at the kitchen table. So we're sitting across from each other,

(01:56:32):
and we're like with one book and we're switching the
book and we're writing behind.

Speaker 8 (01:56:39):
Like we're studying for sati or something.

Speaker 9 (01:56:41):
Raise like a rock on the block with the cops
carry and the hard rocks carry carrying props and block
caught me up with.

Speaker 4 (01:56:48):
My beats on the corner and the moor it zooned
it on and get it?

Speaker 9 (01:56:52):
Do you to get the break in the road, the
snakes and those whom your taste of this sea true?
What then, West and Wessel, I'm looking for you, saying
I'm running with my boot camp, blacking my truth, bringing
the rocks, rocking the tooth that switches to get look,
not trying to go out like the recipes are better,
just to get rough.

Speaker 1 (01:57:12):
It's off my chest.

Speaker 9 (01:57:13):
Something less ed, don't Smith it wors and then we
do it like this Smith, what's And then we do
with like this, get it smithfing what's in?

Speaker 1 (01:57:20):
Then we do with like this he didn't small and
what's and then we do with like this, get it on.

Speaker 4 (01:57:25):
I've been bringing my dudes for the longest from the corner, just.

Speaker 9 (01:57:29):
The channel, the strongest. I got your block going up.
Now you're getting trapped, nor order. If it were saying
that shaft the underground flavors made too much, you get laid.

Speaker 1 (01:57:39):
I gotta get with my pizza and get paid, but
no time for slick.

Speaker 2 (01:57:42):
Got it.

Speaker 1 (01:57:42):
Hit the streets with my peach, if with mister Vellam
hit us.

Speaker 9 (01:57:45):
Off with this fat We hit the sack and the
track rat fit in the fire, round the click, catch
your contacts.

Speaker 1 (01:57:52):
We bring it dramatic.

Speaker 9 (01:57:53):
You want to be do me your faithful and bring
on the bread themseves taking it.

Speaker 2 (01:58:00):
You don't even feel it.

Speaker 8 (01:58:01):
It feels so weird.

Speaker 10 (01:58:02):
Naturally who produced that track? That's mister Waller, there is
this I wish I could pick his brain because there's
like a sound that sampled in there. It reminds me
of like a car door that sends like a warning
that you need to show it, And I'm like, what
the fuck is he sampling in there? Just rides so good,
But I just it's funny.

Speaker 2 (01:58:21):
It probably is great track. And I want to add
on to what you just said too, when you're talking
about sleeping in your own bed before when you see
like uh recognized the videos, it's a scene with its
where I'm sleeping in there in the street, you know,
like I have the bed and my friends come and
wake me up and all of that.

Speaker 8 (01:58:41):
It's like we have. It's a lot of symbology, but
a lot of that stuff is close to home.

Speaker 6 (01:58:47):
So last, but not least, is P and C, which
I think Kep, can you agree all of us white
dudes were saying P and C back in high school,
like we we we jacked that slang. P and C
was like a very cool thing to say, like your
partner in crime. This is an evil d joint and
it was a great way to finish a classic album.

Speaker 4 (01:59:09):
Prepper, Hold up your Heart and visualized.

Speaker 9 (01:59:11):
It's a wickets hollow points luck coming out of black biscuit.
You went just from that around the corner, coming quick,
we mess oude the minds and just don't give a ship.
God damn it. Gun shots the bus from the clip
wicked by the noise. That's the burner on my episode.
Fill your oats and get dead miss the buster, because
we ain't got love for nothing of y'all motherfuckers. See
if the black ball hard to do will ride by,

(01:59:33):
you too live me to live, but you no want die.

Speaker 4 (01:59:36):
All these mcs with the fancy names and gangs, I
know from the hard that did not mean a thing.

Speaker 1 (01:59:41):
But up toward the real.

Speaker 4 (01:59:42):
Heads with the knuckle game. That's the piece towards my
niggas that was murdered and slang.

Speaker 11 (01:59:46):
You see piece so on my heads, you know what
I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (01:59:49):
Keeping on this cheez well our heads you live.

Speaker 9 (01:59:53):
If you're what'sn't on the rise, you better recognize I
ain't eat you. Every individual who listen to the voice
sit in your head when they be kicking truth that
has that represent around the way, so when they prove
and keeping them moving til late break day, realize what's
before your eyes? Then see if you see the same
real as we when not say Smith Phil what say
this is.

Speaker 6 (02:00:13):
What I mean?

Speaker 1 (02:00:14):
Not for the LoVa the dreams?

Speaker 9 (02:00:16):
Can that become between a richer new clique rude to defend?
Then when shit got we still manage to stick doing
crimes with this pt the cars up the sign of
the time something we have time to keep our minds
on gnas. So while these don't bend, don't pull the
end of me taking me crime partners overhead.

Speaker 8 (02:00:33):
I want to say tech lineup of the saw.

Speaker 2 (02:00:39):
And he wrote the poem for that, Like all of
the songs, how they weave into m's this cool thing
he always has to me, has this creative quiet still mind.
He can see things like from a poet poet's perspective.

(02:00:59):
So that song is basically a tribute to our friendship
and our brotherhood. One of our brothers, Sean Grady Rambo
passed away. He was murdered in the streets, He went
to jail, he came home, got murdered, so he never

(02:01:21):
got to see any of this rap stuff and as
I got to see a sign and many of that.

Speaker 8 (02:01:26):
So that was a straight tribute to him. I mean
we were super close. It was there was no rapping.

Speaker 2 (02:01:34):
There was no rapping where we was in school. It
was it was scrapping. It was scrapping. It was It
was the school of hard knocks for real. It was not.
It was either tough enough or transfer. Yeah, I was
left back in school. Tech graduated on a time Rambo
with the jail. You know. One of our other pncs

(02:01:58):
was big old Pimp Cook, who you hear on wipe
your mouth that big old pant Cook walked with a lamp.
He laughed and shrind Hang was different, you know. That's
that's Cook. Cook is the nucleus to why me and
Tech are friends. There was a time when I had

(02:02:18):
my household and my household, I had problems with my
dad and I had to leave my household and go
live somewhere else pretty much. And my mother the chances
of this. My mother was friends with my friend Cook.

(02:02:39):
They were friends. They happened to work. This was a
time where they were hiring women in the courts. My
mother and his mother were friends. They were co workers.
And we was in the same school in Manhattan, so
we became friends.

Speaker 5 (02:02:55):
In school.

Speaker 2 (02:02:56):
We found out our mothers were friends we was like
that was a wrap for us. It was like that
was Audain, divine stuff. And from that we was like
partners in crime because we stuck together. He introduced me
to Tech, he introduced me to Rambo. Other than that,
the only people that I knew in that school was
Sean Price and my other friend t White from Brownsville.

(02:03:20):
I'm from Brownsville, Texas and all these other guys that's
from bed Star. So after school, I wouldn't even go
back to Brownsville. I would go to bed Start and
hang out with these guys all day and go home
and get in trouble, and then I had to live
with my partner. And that's where that partners in crime
we was that that brotherhood is very very strong, and.

Speaker 8 (02:03:42):
When we lost baul A Brazilla, it was devastating.

Speaker 2 (02:03:46):
That's why as kids, I wasn't around a lot of
death as a kid, Like how now people like I
saw the first person die when I was eight, and
I ain't see that. So this guy was like one
of the first people that was that close and so
it was only right. It was only right to do that.
It was it's dutifool lability because that's where we come from.

Speaker 8 (02:04:07):
You don't realize it. You'd be tough because it's.

Speaker 10 (02:04:10):
You have to collectively. We're talking about the whole entire album,
and it's like, I don't think people realize it's how
young you guys were and the vulnerability that came out.
When you look back retrospectively, it's like it's just a
whole different thing. You know, it was fun and a
party back then, but you look at it now thirty

(02:04:31):
years later through the lens of how you're living and
the shit you've been through, and the lyrics kind of
mean a lot more now to me. And I appreciate
the honesty and you know, kind of dipping back into
these stories about you know, some times when you were
being a little stupid and naive and you know, being
a fucking teenager being a kid, and New York streets

(02:04:52):
will do that type of shit to you, you know.
But I kind of hear all of this stuff through
a whole different perspective now, and I appreciate.

Speaker 5 (02:05:01):
That, man, I really really do.

Speaker 8 (02:05:03):
No.

Speaker 2 (02:05:03):
I appreciate you guys, but at least, you know, the
conversation puts things in context. A lot of times where
artists don't get a chance to even see themselves because
they're thrust it into this, to this, to this, to this,
this thing they don't know about. You know, it's it's
it's it's fascinating. It's also very intimidating. Like we are
in the world where we're supposed to be this big,

(02:05:26):
you know, so everything you may do could be compromised
if you are not being genuine absolutely oxymoron, right, it
was supposed to be this, but I want to get
as close as possible. So when you lose a guy
like Sean Price, You're like, Wow, that was the most
genuine person that I knew, And I want to be
like that when I grow up, you know what I'm saying.

(02:05:48):
Because we yeah, we did some we did some really
goofy ass interviews before, like we really was like, yeah,
we're gonna do We're gonna do a remix with bon Jovi, sh.

Speaker 10 (02:06:00):
I talking about it's all about the SoundBite, you know,
these little fast lettle edits right.

Speaker 2 (02:06:12):
But now it's like, yes, in hindsight, I'm glad we
get to look back and say, oh, wow, we it
was a tom Stan.

Speaker 8 (02:06:20):
We're able to We're able to say, all right, we
came from here. And now we're here.

Speaker 2 (02:06:25):
You can't teach your old dog blue tricks if you
have a love for it and you still have an
opportunity to continue to add on in the culture because
it's a beautiful expression when you can.

Speaker 8 (02:06:36):
Share it with folks.

Speaker 11 (02:06:37):
I'm sorry this popped in my head. Johnny used to
work in book down.

Speaker 8 (02:06:47):
I need to do a mixed with everybody that says it.

Speaker 5 (02:06:51):
You know, it's crazy.

Speaker 6 (02:06:52):
We were We've pretty much been recording for like two
hours now and we've only covered one album. One album.
It's two hours. Like I wanted to talk about Monumental.
I wanted to talk about the Priority record era with
Rude Awaken, there's how about this? Can we when you

(02:07:14):
guys are done with your tour and you're you're in
a good place, We'll get both of you on because
there's so much more I want to discuss, Like do
you mind if I rat off just a few more
quick questions and then.

Speaker 2 (02:07:24):
Yeah, I'm cool. I'm cool with it, and I don't
want to coming back, man, because I know that like
Tech Tech would enjoy this. You know, this is the
stuff where like you, as you're asking me these questions,
it's making me think about the new album, you know,
because it's still being processed a new album, Infinity, And

(02:07:46):
it makes sense because we're taking this trip to understand
all of that other stuff. I'm not going to say that, like,
you know, we handle things well. But I think about
in hindsight, when we went on ceing then and we
were talking about control like that trippy we went nineteen
twenty and we're on here with these professional television correspondence

(02:08:11):
and they're saying, so, what do you think about the law,
Like what? And we answered it in such a way
whereas like, okay, we held our own as young as
as novices, as unexperienced spokespeople.

Speaker 8 (02:08:22):
It's like, all right, we can do that.

Speaker 2 (02:08:25):
So we could be cannoned amongst the grace and not
just get on the sixteen bar and do these type
of things.

Speaker 8 (02:08:30):
That feels important. So you want to take that a
little bit more seriously.

Speaker 6 (02:08:35):
So when you guys dropped this album, let's schedule where
you both come back on the show.

Speaker 5 (02:08:40):
We could talk about it.

Speaker 6 (02:08:40):
Because one of the things I love about you guys,
and I mentioned it earlier before we actually recorded, is
the bond that you two have with one another. And
getting to my next question I want to say, and
I don't know if people have ever even mentioned this,
but when you guys did, it was like year ago
you were on Matt's show, My Expert Opinion, right, yeah,

(02:09:07):
and that dude looks like Booker t said some shit
because he misunderstood a lyric thirty years ago and carried
on this grudge about Tupac. And the way you two
interacted and kind of held one another down was awesome
to see. And like, I don't want to sound like
cliche or whatnot, but that kind of stuff there is

(02:09:29):
really what makes me seeing you guys after all these
years still make music. That relationship, that kinship is really
cool to see it. And I wanted to reference that
because I don't know if anyone you know sees it
the way I see it. But it was cool not
even about Tupac. It wasn't even about Tubac. It was

(02:09:49):
the way you you were handling things in a diplomatic manner,
and then he was not because after a while this
guy just didn't want to. That's up to his mistake.
But it was cool to see how you guys have
one in the backs after all these years.

Speaker 2 (02:10:05):
Definitely, it's definitely, uh mutual where we don't want to
see each other get into nothing that we don't like,
Like tech don't like when I get too hype. I
don't like we get too hype unless be doing it
with a purpose. So it's like, yeah, our relationship is
really like that. It's the beginning of yang come like that,

(02:10:28):
and you know we've been we've been here and looking
at it after thirty it's it's definitely deeper to wrap.

Speaker 8 (02:10:37):
It's definitely figuring their hip hop.

Speaker 2 (02:10:39):
We have like and this is this is this is
super like of no importance, but it's just like something
that like to add on the fact that his mother
name is Barbara, My mother name is Barbara.

Speaker 8 (02:10:51):
You know. It's like it's like we were.

Speaker 2 (02:10:55):
Destined to kind of like be together, you know, and
we work we actually work together, and I don't know
rap stuff. We actually go. Yo, how are you doing today? Yeah,
Like some days I have a really bad attitude a
lot of days, and you don't you know, you don't
really know how to approach me. Sometimes I just want

(02:11:16):
to be by myself. I just want to sit back
and read and burn and dret tea and chill, not
with a loud stuff and we find a balance there,
you know, takenhing for granted for sure.

Speaker 6 (02:11:30):
All right, wrap it round real quick, Mary Deblage remix,
I Love you huge hit.

Speaker 5 (02:11:36):
How did that even come about?

Speaker 8 (02:11:39):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (02:11:39):
We was on the in traffic one night coming from
Black Bone video. We were all.

Speaker 8 (02:11:47):
Dressed in camouflage. The entire boot camp click.

Speaker 2 (02:11:50):
We was hamled down. You would think we were going
being deployed to be a golf for something like that.
We had all kinds of gear and we took it
to the show where no one's at that particular time
hadn't seen anything like that. I mean, you had guys
wearing camouflood, but not these young guys looking like they

(02:12:13):
was really about to get to it. I think that
was an appeal. We bumped into Junior Mafia. Biggie Smalls
was on the ship with Junior Mafia. They had the marijuana.
I think they had the marijuana. Well we had the
marijuana and they had the liquor. So yeah, we was

(02:12:33):
coming from outside. So we was coming from Franklin Avenue
FAP Franklin Union shooting a video and we had the weak,
they had the liquor.

Speaker 8 (02:12:42):
We formed one big circle.

Speaker 2 (02:12:44):
We were smoking and drinking and we were all kicking
like one big happy family. Mary J.

Speaker 8 (02:12:50):
Blige was there.

Speaker 2 (02:12:51):
She was performing at night. Somebody was the only thing
that might have been May I forgot. I was on
the state at the time, but we were kicking it
in my feat boot can't click. Puffy was at the
bar watching this, watching this exchange, and we went on.

(02:13:12):
They called us to go on and perform. Once we
got off, Puffy pulled us to the side. I was like, Yo,
I'm working on a project. We're married, and I want
to get you guys involved.

Speaker 8 (02:13:23):
He was like, yo, what.

Speaker 2 (02:13:25):
Absolutely Drew High talked to him do THEO and we
went home. We was excited, but we wasn't like, oh
my god, we got we finally. Yo was great because
we was doing something again organic. We like tech has
a relationship. He's from bed Style and so it's like
Os the Junior my Fia and so that's the bridge

(02:13:45):
that allowed us to sit there, like you know, at
that piece circle, that sight for what we called it,
and it built from there. Puffy saw that a genius.
When we went to the studio, Mary was not in
the studio unfortunately, because this was a this was a
time when he was going remixes for the songs that
she had already had for club purposes and for radio posts.

Speaker 8 (02:14:09):
And we are selected. Went to the studio.

Speaker 2 (02:14:12):
It was just us sitting on a piano bitch in
the studio, facing each other with one book.

Speaker 8 (02:14:20):
Puff gave us the assignment.

Speaker 2 (02:14:21):
He said, I want you guys to do the back
and forth thing that you do, and you know, whatever
you come with, we'll sit there.

Speaker 8 (02:14:27):
So we sit there, took the assignment and then.

Speaker 5 (02:14:29):
He left, click click, you.

Speaker 1 (02:14:32):
Shine, you shine, and this day your time. Maintain say
frame of mind.

Speaker 9 (02:14:37):
Elevations, mark it up, yo. Saw in the circulation sixty
degrees and rotation stimulation. As the earth pressed my physical
creation slipp into her lipation. Situation got me thinking about
my life several year sleep, keep it real, continuing it and.

Speaker 1 (02:14:53):
On slipping in the blackness ut prepared for combat.

Speaker 9 (02:14:56):
Protect my doom because that's where my own sat cracked
my window in hell as the.

Speaker 4 (02:15:01):
Mints flow built up, my min's little.

Speaker 2 (02:15:03):
Struck on my fist right up.

Speaker 4 (02:15:04):
So my Brooklyn threw me you bad boy, coming.

Speaker 9 (02:15:08):
Through checking still travel lent through the battle of land,
had the len all that's challenge, and every end he.

Speaker 8 (02:15:15):
Was there there was no one else in there.

Speaker 2 (02:15:19):
Probably like an hour in LL cool J came in,
but he but he never came in a womb and
caked to us. And he came and took the day
and then he left. So primarily we were stuck there.

Speaker 10 (02:15:31):
It was like we was forced, yeah, intimidated.

Speaker 2 (02:15:37):
You know.

Speaker 10 (02:15:37):
It was the music playing the whole time. Yeah, we
was listening to the music because that's literally the great
and it's my favorite hip hop sample of all time?

Speaker 5 (02:15:45):
Are you kidding?

Speaker 10 (02:15:46):
And that could be played on thirty three and forty
five that's the forty five version, but yeah, that sample
is the greatest sample in hip hop.

Speaker 8 (02:15:54):
He get Hollywood, right, he get Hollywood.

Speaker 2 (02:15:56):
Take to that?

Speaker 10 (02:15:57):
Yeah, he did sing to that. That was exactly and
Hot ninety seven and Downey eighty seven. Kiss always played
the Hollywood version, but that's Isaac Hayes.

Speaker 8 (02:16:08):
I said, hey, right right, I see what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (02:16:11):
So you're digging into that soul like this is something
that was always When you start peeling back the layers
and the deeper you go into this rabbit hole, you're like, wow,
this is stuff that my dad was playing. I wasn't sure,
but now you're hearing this repetition, and now it starts
to make sense.

Speaker 8 (02:16:29):
Why you gravitate too? Why do I love that sound?
Why do I love that? I ain't used to listen
to music like that before until.

Speaker 2 (02:16:43):
I sat with beat Mine is now I want to
hear the original track to this and the original track
to that, and now it gets your hop. So now
I know what Buckshot was doing when he was going
you know that, right, I'm like, what, So we're in
here and then we bring it here, so yeah, what
a journey you know?

Speaker 11 (02:17:05):
All right, we need you, we need you to fact
check something for us here. Still, so we mentioned earlier
we had uh, we had Dave Lautin on from D
and d was probably like two years ago or so. Yeah,
and uh, as you know, you were part of one
of the greatest posse cuts of the nineties, one to
pass it. So we brought that up that we we

(02:17:25):
we we talked about that with him and we asked him,
you know, was everybody actually in the studio recording it
live at the studio together, like in one night or
a couple of nights whatever. He's like, oh yeah, yeah,
and uh he said that it was just so packed
in the studio that it got to a point where
he couldn't let anybody else in inside, and jay Z

(02:17:47):
was not allowed inside. Can you verify that.

Speaker 8 (02:17:50):
That is a fact.

Speaker 5 (02:17:53):
He's like ringing the doorbell on the back and like,
you know, he help you out.

Speaker 16 (02:17:56):
Ject.

Speaker 8 (02:17:57):
Guy's a fact.

Speaker 2 (02:17:59):
It was so packed. Tech and I were behind the console,
like we was kneeled down with our book right and
out around.

Speaker 8 (02:18:11):
Every time you look up, you see I'm like, god, dam.

Speaker 2 (02:18:16):
I looked up and he saw Fat Joe. Fat Joe
was a bully, that guy. He's like, yo, I'm getting
on this track.

Speaker 10 (02:18:23):
And he always traveled with two other guys just the
same size.

Speaker 3 (02:18:27):
Yeah, like you can't do that.

Speaker 2 (02:18:29):
And that was in the fact that he was Fat Joe.
So it's like he was definitely flowing Joe. It was like, nah,
I'm getting on this song. And I don't think he was.
He was initially made to be on there, but he
put his way on the incredible song and then we
shot a video for it.

Speaker 5 (02:18:47):
Oh yeah, it's like the wrap We are the World.

Speaker 10 (02:18:52):
They should make a documentary about that. Seriously, that that
was just as good.

Speaker 2 (02:18:56):
I think they tried.

Speaker 10 (02:18:58):
He mentioned they were working, He's working on a D
and D. But just for that, just for that would
be really really cool.

Speaker 9 (02:19:07):
That was.

Speaker 5 (02:19:09):
And Dougie Fresh. It just it came together.

Speaker 14 (02:19:12):
It was.

Speaker 2 (02:19:13):
Those giants, that mixture is and you know, of course
we were the young and we the young shooters at
the time. I think Jay Rue had the hot song
out with the premier track, so it was like we
had to shine, Shine.

Speaker 5 (02:19:30):
And that was premiere. That was that was, That was
Vintage Prime Year's premiere.

Speaker 2 (02:19:35):
Good goodness, gracious, and you know what's crazy, not to
say anything incriminating, but I remember one of the d's
was like, you know what, We're just gonna have a
lot of weeds tonight. So the whole it was just like.

Speaker 11 (02:19:51):
All night isn't the first verse?

Speaker 12 (02:19:56):
Oh yeah yeah, us he went first. Were you guys
ready to fuck up some people at the source for
three mics on that album?

Speaker 5 (02:20:06):
Just absurd, that's absurd.

Speaker 2 (02:20:10):
Yeah, yeah, that was that was.

Speaker 8 (02:20:11):
That was tough for us.

Speaker 2 (02:20:13):
That was tough for us.

Speaker 8 (02:20:14):
We we we took a brunt of a lot of
stuff for Black Moon and for Health the Skelter.

Speaker 2 (02:20:23):
As you very well may know. By time Health the
Skelter came out, they was like we're not taking any
of that ship anymore. They started breaking equipment in radio
stations and kicking people on stage, and they.

Speaker 8 (02:20:36):
Was like, nah, we're not doing that cool thing anymore.

Speaker 2 (02:20:41):
M So it was tough, man, because it's like everybody
trying to figure themselves out and you start to blame
these these people who work at these corporations and who
now become gate keepers.

Speaker 8 (02:20:52):
And things of that nature.

Speaker 6 (02:20:53):
You know, did you guys ever find out why you
guys got such a low rating political or there's had
to be something to it.

Speaker 10 (02:21:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (02:21:05):
I can't speak to the backstory, you know.

Speaker 2 (02:21:09):
I just we just always I mean, for me, I
could just speak to the fact that we always played
an underdog position, you know, like I said, even with
the radio. And it's funny because we had great relationships
with these guys when we see them, and we had
to do a lot of politic and you know, Drew
High is great and then but that the team of

(02:21:30):
Drew High and Buck phenomenal, you know, the good cat
bag hop phenomen.

Speaker 8 (02:21:36):
Those guys will get in there and mix it up.

Speaker 2 (02:21:38):
So there's a lot of politics, man, But I can't
speak specifically to why they did it other and somebody
needs to hope they got fired.

Speaker 6 (02:21:45):
So it wasn't like Drew has check bounced at the
source man came in a bunch of like barmits for
money from like back in the day.

Speaker 5 (02:21:56):
He'd like, yore, no, you remember that time.

Speaker 1 (02:22:03):
Oh yo, you know here, here's a lot of.

Speaker 8 (02:22:09):
Stuff going on. It definitely was a lot of stuff.

Speaker 10 (02:22:12):
Going on that Here's a funny question that I'm curious
to get your perspective going that we went over the
entire record, is there one thing that collectively you think, like,
I wish we would have done this, Like, and I'm
not looking at the time, it was it was a
gritty time, Like the music was very gritty, low low

(02:22:34):
fi in my opinion, you know, like the Basement Ship.
I just wish that album could have just been mastered
where the bass just didn't fucking break the speaker, you
know what I mean, Because I've played that ship in
some clubs that was like, oh shit, I mean it
was like I think I got fined a few spots.
So I don't know if you ever go back and say, yeah,
it was a little muddy, no you kind of like

(02:22:56):
the Wrong Tang album.

Speaker 8 (02:22:57):
Now you're spot on buck Shot, uh again?

Speaker 2 (02:23:03):
Like being such a guy who who he has such
an air for natural music, like I don't have that.
I didn't I developed that and it's still in training,
you know. But he has a natural ear for music
in sound. And he would say this all the time.
He would get he would get very peed off, and

(02:23:26):
it became another crusade where it's like, you know what,
I don't want to I don't want to die in
D and D. We gotta start branching off to other studios.
The next time we do techat still album, we're going
to go to this studio. Like we see all these
other artists recording in these different studios, and we want
a piece of that too. But at the same time,

(02:23:47):
we're still young with it. We're still getting schooled by
beat my D n D sound still could be at
the table. Yeah, but we you know, we've noticed that.
We've also noticed that later in hindsight going to different
clubs and when our stuff is in the mix and
when our songs come on, you get that come on.

(02:24:08):
It's not appealing all the time, you know. But it
led to us experiment and then going to other studios.
We tried other studios and we spent a lot of
money to realize that it wasn't the studio.

Speaker 8 (02:24:21):
Yeah, it wasn't.

Speaker 2 (02:24:21):
It wasn't.

Speaker 8 (02:24:22):
All of the the out gear that you're bringing in
is the person's.

Speaker 10 (02:24:26):
Yeah, because because a song that actually did very well
is a little further forward. Kocher Brothers. When you guys
did super Brook Club and that was DJ Rob if
I'm not mistaken, and I think Domingo had something to
do with that album too, but that was a great sound.

Speaker 8 (02:24:43):
Yeah, punching, and these guys tech hated that beat right away.
I heard that beat and were like, Yo, we gotta
do this.

Speaker 2 (02:24:54):
That was fresh. It's just it's just one of those tracks,
you know, and it's skipping around so much. I'm like, yo,
that it would be just fun to see if we
can put it on. I'm glad we did it. But yeah,
we was working with these guys we had at seventy eight,
eighty eight. They had just had a built a new
studio and this guy, his ears was fresh. He was

(02:25:18):
fresh with sound. He was all about sound and getting it,
getting it right. So yeah, that's where you hit the
Chrispy just trying to branch.

Speaker 8 (02:25:27):
Off and do things.

Speaker 2 (02:25:28):
But it also, you know, I guess a lot of
the court fans got hit different too, because that's around
the time when would awakening and the sound switched. But
we were still working in D and D a little bit.
But when we went to mix, we went elsewhere. We
spent a lot of unnecessary brands.

Speaker 5 (02:25:47):
Yeah, it's a cleaner sounding album, but it doesn't have
the same cohesiveness exactly.

Speaker 2 (02:25:54):
So when you go back like not that you know
spending spending will back to when you said something about
the Bad Doug album. I think Buck was trying to
define hisself in like he has a with this music
here and then struggling with the creativity because you're also
now this his business guy is labeled owner. Like I'm

(02:26:16):
glad I didn't have that conflict. You know, I'll always
like now I think about I'm working towards being able
to create freedom, no Tom, no Tom restraints or restrictions.

Speaker 6 (02:26:30):
I think if you are, like Dray said, he was
considered like a god. Right, if you are of that
stature and you're in the game for that long, you
are going to have projects like that. Snoop Dogg was
Snoop fucking line ten years ago.

Speaker 8 (02:26:47):
Ah yo, yes, no, yes, that's PRS.

Speaker 6 (02:26:51):
Was like a Preacher for its Spiritual Minded album or
something that like came in with You're going to have
those hiccups. It's to be expected it because it is
impossible to be stagnant and can be the same guy
you were thirty years ago. Yeah, doesn't mean those those
moves that you make are going to be the right
moves either. But everyone's a lot of you know, a

(02:27:12):
mulligan here there in this game, especially been doing it
for that long.

Speaker 8 (02:27:18):
Yeah, I think on purpose, I would like to just
leave some of those breadcrumbs.

Speaker 2 (02:27:22):
I never gravitated to, like the Lost Tapes or anything
like that, but I think it's good that it exists.

Speaker 5 (02:27:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:27:29):
I want to say I have like this rap book
that's like like an old school cyclopedia, and like this
is not going to be important to until I die,
you know. And I always think about my brother Floyd
Patterson that told me, yo, write the book, write the book.

Speaker 8 (02:27:45):
It's like, what are you waiting for?

Speaker 2 (02:27:47):
Like this is the book. Put it together, curated how
you think it could be curated. So it's good to
see a lot more artists doing that, doing literary works
as well. I don't know, man, some kind of way
you know, even even away from rap, I miss looking
at the covers where you can go like the Prince

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record of Michael Jackson record and they got the words
on it.

Speaker 5 (02:28:12):
Yeah, you know, take me.

Speaker 11 (02:28:14):
You talk about that often, physical physical media.

Speaker 5 (02:28:18):
I'm still holding this like it's still means something to me.
Oh you know.

Speaker 6 (02:28:24):
I mean having a tangible product in your hand connects
you to the music more so than anything. I mean,
you could stream something of Spotify, but if you're streaming
that again in two three days from now, you know
it might not You may not even do that, but
if you do, you don't have that same connection.

Speaker 8 (02:28:44):
Yeah, I mean, you know where you was when you
was listening to that.

Speaker 5 (02:28:47):
I think I stole this. I think I stole this Doctor.

Speaker 12 (02:28:53):
Game.

Speaker 8 (02:28:54):
You got the cassette.

Speaker 12 (02:28:56):
We talk about this all the time too, about it's
you know this music, because about where was I and
what was I doing when I was listening to Fill
in the blank. And there's everybody's got a story about
all of these albums. I know exactly what I was
doing when I picked up The Shining I remember it vividly,
and these guys do too well.

Speaker 11 (02:29:17):
I was puffing that l's and catching the record carew.

Speaker 8 (02:29:23):
As.

Speaker 2 (02:29:26):
It's crazy, like because it made me think about rolling
my first splip, you know, because I wasn't like the
kid that started out like I wasn't in high school,
everybody was smoking already. I'm like, shit, I can't go
ahead and not know how to do this. So I picked,
you know, one of my friends who I thought he
knew how to do it. He ain't know how to
do it, you know. So I was like, all right.

Speaker 8 (02:29:49):
It's like, so when you listen to this music and
you hear it, I used to.

Speaker 2 (02:29:51):
I used to listen to these guys on the radio,
you know, like Awesome Too was coming on like unguardly
hours three four in the morning.

Speaker 8 (02:30:01):
You sleep recording. Once you get that record, you want
to share.

Speaker 2 (02:30:05):
That with someone.

Speaker 8 (02:30:06):
Did you hear that new black move, that new slipper?
You hear the hells ah you wow?

Speaker 2 (02:30:12):
And you'll roll up, roll up, play that. It's like,
it's nothing else to do but just get into that
crack something over a CD or a record, and it's
a it's a it's like a ritual. Yeah. So when
you talk about ninety five, like those songs, we did that.
So like a lot of those Records made us do

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that ritual, you know.

Speaker 6 (02:30:35):
Of course, all right, before we go to part two
of this interview, when you guys put out this album,
I have two quick questions. I need two stories of
two guys that were very important and influential and are
a huge part of why we do what we do
with this show.

Speaker 5 (02:30:53):
Give me a quick story about Sean Price and tupac.

Speaker 4 (02:31:00):
Uh.

Speaker 10 (02:31:01):
You said short answers.

Speaker 11 (02:31:03):
I don't think they're gonna be short.

Speaker 5 (02:31:04):
That my best it is. Look, we've we've been talking
for three hours now.

Speaker 6 (02:31:09):
We usually say thirty five forty minutes per interview, but
it tells you something when you have a three hour interview.

Speaker 2 (02:31:15):
Well, the guy who's gonna be edited in this is
going to have to have a lot of gun job.

Speaker 10 (02:31:22):
That's why I gotta stay clean, man, because I'll be
fucking on tangents.

Speaker 5 (02:31:26):
We'll just do an unedited version, keep it wrong, but
you know that'd be great like that.

Speaker 2 (02:31:31):
Yeah, that's that's that's that's what's gonna kill him. But
Sean Price, that's I like to call him my ghost writer.
You know, Sean Price is the guy who is honesty
is is his is his best quality. And because you
gotta love him or or just don't mess with I

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met him in Heritage House in Brownsville. We was play raffing.
One of us was trying to wrap to bee hundred
and sixty degrees back home. Later on, we are in
a rap group, a super boup collar boot camp. There
was not a plan. We wasn't talking about it, but
when it happened, we were supposed to do that. Sean

(02:32:16):
was the only one that could talk to me when
I had an attitude. He had a way of of
peeling back a layer that no one else could could penetrate.

Speaker 8 (02:32:30):
I had a time where I was going through it.

Speaker 2 (02:32:33):
I was alcoholic, but I was still on my spiritual journey,
so I had a bad attitude.

Speaker 8 (02:32:42):
I had on his white scarf. It was white. Someone
made a yarn knitted me a scarf with a matching hat.
Hate you you know, listen, you know what I was like.
I said, I was having a moment and it was
it was.

Speaker 2 (02:33:00):
It was white with red stripe, yellow striped green stripe.
So I was like Bob Mally. I was one of
the Vallies right. We were on the boot camp tour,
but my vib wasn't a Malli vibe. Okay, I was
stressed out, excuse me. And Sean Price came and sat

(02:33:21):
next to me on the bar next to the ball
and he said, Yo, you look like a drunk Bob Mark, right,
And I just bust out, like I can't even be mad.
It's not it ain't like, yo, what's wrong with you?

Speaker 11 (02:33:37):
What are you doing?

Speaker 8 (02:33:38):
It's like, Yo, forget about that.

Speaker 24 (02:33:40):
Man.

Speaker 8 (02:33:40):
We got stuff to do. And it's not like to
be dismissive, you know.

Speaker 2 (02:33:45):
It's it's kind of like to say, yo, I understand
that it's tough, but let's try to lighten that load
and get to work, you know.

Speaker 8 (02:33:53):
And and and and one of his greatest things he
would say to me is like, you'll just rap.

Speaker 2 (02:33:58):
Always very critical, always trying to make it make sense,
connect the dots and all of that.

Speaker 8 (02:34:04):
And Son would just go, Yo, just wrap.

Speaker 3 (02:34:08):
This rap, bro.

Speaker 2 (02:34:10):
And it's crazy because we would battle and I'm like,
do I rap like this? This is how I do it.
But he was just like what he was saying to
me in hindsight was surrender. Let go, hm, you know,
let go, bro, because you nice. I started rapping because
of you. We ain't saying that, but we're saying that,

(02:34:31):
and it's like, I'm not going, yeah, I put you
guys on. I'm a reason why I don't think like that.
But but to get those types of accolades on on
on a spiritual level, like wow, we inspire each other
like that, And yeah, I hold him close.

Speaker 8 (02:34:47):
Man, he's all over the room. Man, he got got
like shop Price.

Speaker 5 (02:34:52):
You know you got the action figure.

Speaker 8 (02:34:56):
Yeah, that's the action figure up there.

Speaker 5 (02:34:58):
Nice. Yeah, Sean Pee was like a one of one.

Speaker 6 (02:35:02):
You know a lot of people, a lot of people passed,
but there's never been a person anything like what Sean
pe was.

Speaker 8 (02:35:09):
Like, No, nah, I think he passed to give us
something and hopefully we received that. You know.

Speaker 2 (02:35:18):
That's why I spoke to uh, Rockness Monster and Rusty Jokes.
They have a project that's coming out, and these are the.

Speaker 8 (02:35:25):
Guys who.

Speaker 2 (02:35:28):
Pretty much, you know, they are the prodigal sons of
Sean Price, even though Rockness Monster kind of like discovered
Sean so to speak, and Rusty I mean, well that's
to us, Sean discovered Rusty, but they but they all
have a history together where these guys think some kind

(02:35:48):
of heird with But yeah, Sean has been the anchor
of both, and it's safe to say that when he
passed away, the boot camp had to graduate from.

Speaker 8 (02:36:02):
You might say it's over, but it's not down transition
to something different.

Speaker 10 (02:36:06):
And the crazy thing is he was hitting a whole
new stride right before he died. It's like he kind
of figured out the matrix.

Speaker 11 (02:36:12):
Yeah, it was like, fuck yo, I love his line
in the in the song and so where it's like,
I guess I'm back where I started fucking something fucked
up and rapping with buckshot and acting retarded or something
like that.

Speaker 2 (02:36:28):
It's so funny, so transparent, and you like you're really
gonna say that, Yeah, man.

Speaker 12 (02:36:37):
Self deprecating, no felt no deprecating, and and and and confident.

Speaker 8 (02:36:44):
Yeah, I can't rhyme like that.

Speaker 2 (02:36:47):
I can't.

Speaker 8 (02:36:48):
I'd be trying to just say what came out my mom,
like that nice trash.

Speaker 2 (02:36:54):
So it's like you gotta respect that to a whole
other screen that crash and ships. But some of it
is just like.

Speaker 8 (02:37:02):
It might just be very simple.

Speaker 2 (02:37:05):
Yeah, Like I find myself trying to I'm still the
lyrical guy because I'm like, wow, my initial blueprint was rhyming,
like all.

Speaker 8 (02:37:13):
The guys who was top guys.

Speaker 2 (02:37:15):
At the time, I was always in this competitive boat,
but I wasn't the guy who went battle at I
got reeled into it because that's what the Times was about.
My best friend at the time was Rock. I'm like, yo,
rocket him. Of course you had to keep up with
this guy, you know. But yeah, man, when Sean came

(02:37:36):
and he bought a whole different dynamic which allowed us
to be more natural and more real and more funny.
Like even when a guy these guys and Sewn is
freaking hilarious man, because he's like yo, he started making
up rules that wasn't real, like you wear sneakers and camouflage.

Speaker 8 (02:37:56):
Put like, we wasn't saying that. He just blurned that
out and people ran with it.

Speaker 2 (02:38:02):
And this guy's like, yo, yo.

Speaker 5 (02:38:03):
Still look he has sneakers on, yo, beat him up.

Speaker 2 (02:38:07):
That's not a real rule, bro. Sean just be running
with it, man, and we needed that on the road.
We needed that that common relief he had us watching
Will Farrell. I didn't know how funny Will Farrell was
until Sean Sean Price for his SNL tapes and he's
watching Will Farrell as mel Tourmet. I'm like, yo, but

(02:38:29):
what he would say, is like, yo, still I got
mad useless information. He's like, yeah, I don't know if
I can do another album. I don't know if I
can say any more stupid shit. He's such a genius.
He was so well aware of the impact that he
was doing it, and how you know how he was

(02:38:51):
manifested because it was clearly not those idiots, And what
about the what about pac pac Man is a park
is a beacon, Park is as a speaking, a lightning bolt.
Energy is incredible, And he's thinking, like, you forget how

(02:39:13):
young he was.

Speaker 5 (02:39:14):
Yeah, I was gonna say it's like twenty six when
he passed or something.

Speaker 8 (02:39:17):
Man, I don't think he made it to twenty.

Speaker 5 (02:39:19):
Twenty five, six twenty five, But I don't.

Speaker 2 (02:39:25):
You gotta then you gotta go. Well, he was raised
by panthers, so his mentality has always been a protective
mentality and revolutionary mentality.

Speaker 8 (02:39:38):
So where you're born in this type of poverty or
where it's like.

Speaker 2 (02:39:44):
Where you are lack of lack of basic the censures
that families have and you're being bounced around like your
identity is kind of compromised. You have to always go
somewhere and prove yourself this is what we see with
prop Like people always say you know which one is?
Is he this pot or that part? He's all of them,

(02:40:04):
all the yay above. We spent about a week with
him in his home, and man fell in love with
this guy, man like, he was so natural. He was
like us. And after he fell in love with us
because we was like him. He was hanging out with
the outlaws, and the outlaws was just like some guys.
Was just ready to protect their guys and they just

(02:40:26):
happened to be super talented, and we're all going to
make this music and we were all going to make
this money.

Speaker 8 (02:40:30):
So he would talk a mile a minute about how
we're gonna do this.

Speaker 2 (02:40:33):
We want to do this one nation project, we wanna
do it on this old Magavelli and then y'all gonna
do part two. Duck down.

Speaker 8 (02:40:39):
He's gonna be duck down. Y'all gonna through the tours
because he knew, he was.

Speaker 2 (02:40:43):
Well aware of he couldn't go in different states because
of his status and relationships with different people, and he
was pretty much passing us the baton of like yo, like,
you guys have the connections to get with people that
I can't, and it was like he can't be sities,

(02:41:04):
you can't be serious. It was just like you can't
be serious, Like it was mind blowing man, because I'm like,
I'm still star shirt. I went in this guy's home.

Speaker 10 (02:41:13):
Well that's it. So spending that kind of time because
we all know the persona of what he was. Always
that SoundBite, you know, always kind of almost like the
puppet master, you know, But those are the things I
didn't like about him because it's like you knew deep
inside that there was like a deeper person there. So
being that you were home alone with them and you

(02:41:36):
had that different perspective, I mean, that's kind of what's
what I always wanted to see because I knew that
there was more there.

Speaker 8 (02:41:43):
Yo, And it didn't take much to come out.

Speaker 2 (02:41:45):
You know. It wasn't like we saw this first and
then we saw this. It was like once we got
to the set, it was all open doors. The only
thing I could say was kind of like timidating was
going to the studio and they have like, uh, you know,
security guards and metal.

Speaker 8 (02:42:06):
We knew we was going into we knew it was
a war zone, but we was we was together.

Speaker 2 (02:42:11):
That's that P and C like we know when we
got the people with us and we get through this
with this team, and we could and we're going to
pass it.

Speaker 8 (02:42:20):
The opportunity. This is two problems, you know what I mean,
This is a great opportunity.

Speaker 2 (02:42:25):
So it was it was uh spending time when him
was mandatory because I don't think we could have did
it any other way. I don't think we could have
sent us beats and it would have been it would
have been trash. And unfortunately the stuff that UHH materialized
the way he had planned it. He had big plans
for that. We the time that we spent with him

(02:42:49):
like it was infectious. It birthed the bediacter. It birthed
the mentality of us going back to do would awakening
and going YO. At the time, I was an A
and R producting that didn't last long. But my mentality
was directly infected by Tupac where he fed us because

(02:43:10):
he had all of these beats and he had an
open mindset to go yo, who has tracks H? How
do you have guys like Smith and Wesson and you
have you have smooth Bee and you have outlaws and
you go like you have all these different guys, they
don't really go together really, but he's like, yo, who
wants to be on this product that he attempted. We

(02:43:32):
are the world with this. But but his time, it
was kind of awful because a lot of people was
wasn't digging him right at that particular time. And I
think because we did and we and we confidently went
down there with him, and we stayed in his home
as opposed to going to a hotel.

Speaker 8 (02:43:50):
That hit him different. We was eating in his kitchen.
We ate.

Speaker 2 (02:43:54):
It was one time we ate all this, all the
food he had. He had special sodas. We drank all
the sodas. Then I say we because I'm sure I
was guilty, but it wasn't really mean it was like buckshot.
So that guy drank all the two plots sodas. So
they had to put it, put his name on something.

(02:44:18):
That's what happened when you bring a bunch of guys
in your house. Man, You know what I'm saying, Like
you got pantries and ship pantries.

Speaker 10 (02:44:25):
Time he had a big crib.

Speaker 2 (02:44:27):
Yeah, he was living in uh Calabasas, just had moved
in there and the crib was a nice size crib.
You know he hadn't you know it was still some
rooms that were unfurnished. I slept in the room with
no furniture and no bed in it.

Speaker 5 (02:44:44):
It was just a rug.

Speaker 2 (02:44:45):
It was. It was a nice plush rug, but there
was no furniture. In the living room had furniture. He
had a laser disc system.

Speaker 5 (02:44:55):
Hm.

Speaker 2 (02:44:55):
He had about four discs. One disc was Scarface. I
forget what the other one was. He was like, yo,
let's watch Scarface. Like what does Tupac do in this
big ass house? All right?

Speaker 8 (02:45:06):
Were he trying to call girls? He's like, yoa, I
can't get no pussy with the boom cam. Like.

Speaker 2 (02:45:09):
We was just joking and having fun. At one time
we broke out and had a water fight. So we
was running around the pool and then we noticed something.
We noticed that his tents on his windows. Like we
sitt in the living room, so the whole living room
his windows to the patio. So we noticed that the

(02:45:34):
tents on the windows was put on the wrong way,
so you could not see outside, but if you was outside,
you could see inside. We was like, yo, pop.

Speaker 8 (02:45:48):
We started bringing his attention to certain things.

Speaker 2 (02:45:50):
And we still at the time, keep in mind, we
conspiracy theorists in the middle of a war. Yeah, we
bo can't click thinking like you know, gorilla tactics. We're like, yo,
that dude, that's kind of nobody makes that kind of mistake.
That's the on purpose, Like you got to talk to somebody.
Get that out of here, Like change that up, Like
that's a setup right there. From men.

Speaker 8 (02:46:10):
We was like, nah, bro, So we was building with
him on other things.

Speaker 2 (02:46:15):
He also had a hell where you could go stand
on the hill and you can see into his house.
It's like a perfect spot for a sniper, you know.
And we was building with him on these different things.
So I think he was taking a keenness to that
and like, yo, I love these boot camp guys.

Speaker 8 (02:46:33):
And he mentioned that.

Speaker 2 (02:46:36):
Some of the other artists was busting his chops because
they were staying at hotels and they was treating it
like that, Yo. When do were going to the studio,
when we're going to eat things of that nature, was like.

Speaker 8 (02:46:49):
And a crib making pancakes and eggs and.

Speaker 2 (02:46:54):
Turkey bacon and comes in from the shooting the movie
and we got the whole kitchen smelling like you know,
I hop and he just taking off his fucking blazer
and sits down and eats with us. We do a
push ups, he drops and Duke push us with it.
So we so we was clicking. Man, we was clicking.
And when he was working, we would be rolling with

(02:47:14):
the outlaws. He had castro ridings around, edi ridings around,
so they took us in.

Speaker 8 (02:47:20):
Man, that's crazy, out lord.

Speaker 2 (02:47:22):
Man.

Speaker 6 (02:47:23):
What's crazy is like you said he was twenty five,
what you said, you're fifty now, So think about that,
like twice his age, and how prolific he was at
twenty five, right blowing crazy.

Speaker 2 (02:47:36):
I gotta sit down and you know, just think about
these things in process, because would life be life and
you forget these things.

Speaker 8 (02:47:44):
It's like what Kenny is, twenty is twenty five.

Speaker 5 (02:47:47):
It's great.

Speaker 12 (02:47:48):
I say this all the time, but I truly believe
that had he lived, he'd be bigger than Will Smith
in acting. He wouldn't even wrap anymore.

Speaker 5 (02:47:54):
He would just be one of the most prolific actors.

Speaker 2 (02:47:57):
Yo.

Speaker 8 (02:47:58):
He was on to something. When he left.

Speaker 2 (02:48:00):
He was telling us, and when you look at the
last couple of videos that he was doing what he put,
what he instilled in us. He said, I'm not doing videos.
I'm just gonna shoot small films. So that's why he
was shooting videos for every song and backing up catalog

(02:48:21):
because he was about to bust a move. And it's
unfortunately because it's like, man, you call it conspiracies, but
it seems like it's laid out to kind of like, Yo,
this guy's going to be. Like you said, he's going
to be big and un controllable for a lot of people.

Speaker 5 (02:48:36):
Crazy.

Speaker 8 (02:48:36):
Same thing with the Biggie Biggies. You know, it's unfortunate
that these guys.

Speaker 2 (02:48:41):
Biggie made one album and like you know, he's heroble
as the greatest rapper and here we got jay z Is,
Like you know, he couldn't even get into the studio
that day.

Speaker 5 (02:48:57):
I can't thank you enough. What time is this is?

Speaker 6 (02:48:59):
It is now one o'clock? Start this a little bit
after ten. So can you imagine the conversation.

Speaker 8 (02:49:07):
You want to out and have drinks with you guys.
That's what this proves.

Speaker 5 (02:49:10):
Yeah, man, So we get to school night.

Speaker 11 (02:49:13):
I got kids, so I gotta wake up and make
turkey sandwiches.

Speaker 10 (02:49:16):
Hey, keV, I gotta cut someone's hair at seven am.
Negga have a fucked up hair, dude. I'll tell you
that I look like this gonnagain mc gumby.

Speaker 6 (02:49:25):
So promise us when you guys prepped this album, it's
about to come out, and you're coming back from tour,
you and Tech come back on the show and we'll
continue this conversation for another few more hours.

Speaker 2 (02:49:38):
I don't often make promises, but this one I will make.
I will definitely make this promise that this conversation was
very important, and I feel like, uh, after listening to
the album, you're gonna want to have to kind of
cross reference these things and see if it's rail off,
if it sticks, and I would love to see you

(02:49:58):
guys are perspective on.

Speaker 5 (02:50:00):
Absolutely.

Speaker 6 (02:50:00):
I think you're gonna give the listeners are myself included
of us a new It's almost like listening to the
album for the first time after hearing these stories, and that's,
you know, one of the things that we wanted to accomplish,
that you're gonna.

Speaker 25 (02:50:15):
Give people pop it in and go yo. Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
We're also excited for you to hear the finished product.
We'll do We'll do you guys proud yo man.

Speaker 2 (02:50:25):
If you like it, I have no doubt about that.

Speaker 8 (02:50:28):
The conversation itself is great and thank you so much,
thank you, But but this was great.

Speaker 2 (02:50:35):
This was great. Yes, sir, salute, salute, salute. I'll be
the general still representing Smith and Wesson buck to us,
say you know how we do.

Speaker 8 (02:50:47):
You're about to check out an album Spotlight.

Speaker 2 (02:50:49):
I'm gonna take it personal radio show with the none
of it that Philip Flavor one only keV law A
a ron in DJ three sixty three sixty degrees back home.
This is a Smiff and Weston breakdown album Spotlight. You
don't want to sit through this and get your popcorn
right now and tune in tap then I wanna tap out.

(02:51:10):
Let's go.

Speaker 9 (02:51:32):
If you say you one for the trouble two four
at the time, come on, y'all, let's rap.

Speaker 1 (02:51:37):
That's rap, that's rock, that's rap.

Speaker 9 (02:51:39):
That's

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