The Official 2025 NFL Daily Mock Draft with Jourdan Rodrigue

Gregg Rosenthal is joined by Jourdan Rodrigue of The Athletic to bring you the official 2025 NFL Daily Mock Draft. Find out who they think will be selected at the top of the draft (03:00), which tight end will be selected first (17:20), where Tetairoa McMillan will be selected (30:36), which running back the Chargers select (49:13), and how the rest of the first round of the NFL Draft will shake out.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:05):
Welcome to NFL Daily, where this draft has an appropriate
level of pop. I'm Greg Rosenthal here in the Chris
Westling podcast studio alongside my friend Jordan Rodrigue of The
Athletic for the last time before the twenty twenty five
NFL Draft. We have almost made it.

Speaker 2 (00:22):
Jordan, We're almost there. Thank god.

Speaker 1 (00:24):
I was worried this whole time. Does this draft have
enough pop?

Speaker 3 (00:29):
Is?

Speaker 1 (00:29):
Is it as good as some of the previous drafts.
I think the answer is no, It's like a little
less than most. And yet because I've studied it so
much and I feel like I've been more into this
draft and that there's more good players, like in the
top forty, let's say it's still going to be like
a good draft, but we can be honest about it.
Maybe not as much pop as some others.

Speaker 2 (00:49):
I think it'll be a solid meat and potatoes draft.
I said this, I believe last week on our christ
You Next Tuesday crew, where some of the receivers that
you can get in the second and third round in
this draft, even late first some of the quarterbacks that
are gonna maybe not be you know, the flashiest or
have that pop, that top ten pop you know there

(01:10):
they could still be good pros. You're gonna get a
lot of d tackles in this draft that are solid.
You got some really spicy offensive linemen in this draft.
To meat and potatoes.

Speaker 1 (01:19):
The top ten of the second round, for instance, I
think is gonna be more exciting and better players than
any top of the second round. I can remember over
the last handful of years when I did this exercise.
We're about to do a mock draft. It is the
second mock draft we've done on NFL Daily this season.
We did one with with Nate Tice. That was what

(01:39):
we would do if we were those teams drafting. This
is what we think is gonna happen. So this is
a lot of pressure on us as a tandem because
people keep score of this stuff. We're doing this. We're
taping this on Tuesday after noon, East Coast time. But
you know, not too like early in the process. There's
gonna be a lot of news.

Speaker 2 (01:57):
That come trades that happened yet.

Speaker 1 (01:58):
Yeah, we're not doing any trades, but we're going to
try to get it right. So this is a big
test for us. So we don't care about the consensus
board anymore. We're the stinking consensus board.

Speaker 2 (02:08):
Yeah, you've already veered from the premise you texted me,
I think that this is what we think teams are
gonna do. I'm gonna sure remind you of this several times, Greg,
because I know, as you start to make a case
and start to get you know, wandering eyes for a
couple of different prospects yet a couple of different pickpoints,
you're gonna want a team to do something. No, and
it's got to be what you think.

Speaker 1 (02:26):
No, we're seeing what we think they're gonna do.

Speaker 2 (02:28):
Yeah, agreed. I'm just ready to remind you that's all.

Speaker 1 (02:31):
And I think it's important to remember the consensus is
always so off that if a guy gets ten right
out of thirty two, and most of these mock drafts
that are out there, there's a lot of a green
because it's based off of similar information and for the
most part, if you bat three thirty three, that's considered great.
So I'm not too worried about what the consensus picks.

(02:51):
We should like think about it logically, what would make sense.
So let's just get going. First on the clock, the
Tennessee Titans.

Speaker 2 (03:00):
I wonder who it could be.

Speaker 1 (03:02):
Look, we got the official chimes.

Speaker 2 (03:04):
I know, I love it.

Speaker 1 (03:05):
It made me feel I don't think we can save
time later because I think this. I don't want this
show to go too too long by just saying cam word,
we don't need to go into it more into the
logic of it all. Yeah, we've been through it all.

Speaker 2 (03:15):
It is all but written on the card at this point.

Speaker 1 (03:19):
And yeah, as I've said, I think his floor is
like a J Cutler type career. I am really excited
to watch Kim Ward play in the NFL. And if
I was a Titans fan, I would be really excited
about this pick. All right, let's go to number two.
It's it's the Browns. And again I don't want any
I love it, so just go to Travis Hunter.

Speaker 2 (03:36):
I know. And it's interesting you're starting to see little
tendrils being placed out and about this this time of
the week, about the Browns and the Giants receiving calls,
receiving interest. And that's a former great NFL network host
and reporter, Peter Schrager, who's now with you, yeah, and
who was reporting that this morning. And that's basically a

(03:57):
sign that says, hey open for business. If the business
is that good. But it should be without should go
without even saying Travis hunters right.

Speaker 1 (04:05):
That's why I'm not worried about us, you know, scoring high,
getting these right, because the trades can mess them up.
We're assuming the Browns stick and pick. We're assuming every
team sticks and pick, which will obviously not happen. But
as the process went along, it seems so logical. That
does give me hope though, that we can have Will
I just some rooting for excitement on draft night? A.

(04:25):
I don't want Travis hunder on the Browns because they're
not a great team right now and they're a cursed franchise,
and I don't have faith long term they'll know how
to maximize his career.

Speaker 2 (04:34):
And what else? Right?

Speaker 1 (04:37):
And I want a fun trade, and heck I wouldn't
I'd be I'd love it if my Patriots traded up
to two. I don't think that's going to happen, but
I like hearing that that we could have some trades
in the top three. All Right, you could say the
draft starts at four, but let's at least have the
conversation with the Giants. Abdul Carter, the edge really considered
by everyone the best defensive prospect other than Hunter in

(05:00):
this class. Shadar Sanders has been talked about a lot.
They've spent a lot of time with him. Tom Pelsaro
mentioned how Joe Shane and the Giants spent more time
with with Shadeur Sanders than any team with any prospect.
But we talked about on our last show at Josh
Norris Stable supposedly doesn't really want him, and I just

(05:20):
think it seems unlikely that Shudar Sanders is going to
go three. Do we agree on Abdul Carter here? We do, okay,
but yep.

Speaker 2 (05:29):
I want to think about the misery of mister Mara
real quick and the angst and anguish we saw on
hard Knocks on his face. John Mora watching all year,
say Kwan Berkley, the guy that they drafted real high
before in a previous regime, running his way to a

(05:52):
Super Bowl win, to just an electric, absolutely transcendent season,
And I just want to throw out there and think
about how spicy and fun it could be if the
Giants suddenly pivoted from everything we think they're gonna do
and they take Ashton Janty.

Speaker 1 (06:07):
Oh my gosh, that would be.

Speaker 2 (06:10):
I don't think that's gonna happen. That's why I'm not
picking it. But just think about think about it. One
of my colleagues pointed this out, and this is so true.
We have to think about this come draft night. When
the owner gets involved.

Speaker 1 (06:20):
Yes, the reporting is that he has. He's tried not to,
but we'll see you.

Speaker 2 (06:24):
But but he didn't get involved and he let's say,
when they let's say Kwan out the door, and you
could see how much that bothered him all throughout the
entire year. Now I'm not picking him here, I'm picking
up der Carter here.

Speaker 1 (06:36):
Okay, but let's do it.

Speaker 2 (06:38):
But I want to say how exciting that would be.

Speaker 1 (06:40):
It would be absolutely amazing. And we're not allowed to
put any wagers out on the draft. We work for
the NFL. I think the draft, in terms of people
betty on it is a very strange thing that people
bet on because, for instance, like a handful of days ago,
like Will Campbell was like a minus four hundred, minus

(07:01):
five hundred favorite to go to the Patriots, which seems
insane because no one actually knows. There's no nothing else
like this in sports where something is looked at as
a heavy favorite when really nobody knows anything. So if
I was a betting man, and I'm not allowed to be,
I would put some combination if you were allowed to
get like exactas I don't even know how it works,

(07:23):
of the Giants getting Carter and Shoulder Sanders, that should
that there's a realistic possibility that Shoulder falls enough that
the Giants feel like there's two elite prospects in this class,
Hunter and Carter, they get one of them, and that
they are the team that ends up trading back into
the end of the first round. It would take a slide,
and we'll see if that happens in our mock or not,

(07:44):
but it's obviously possible that should have slides all the
way like to the twenties. And then would the Giants
be the team that say, hey, now that the price
is much lower, can we have our cake and eat
it too? And have both? But a lot of disagreement
about what they're going to do. All right, let's have
the gent conversation with the did we actually make that pick?
By the way? We did? Okay, so the Patriots are
at four and I don't buy the Will Campbell buzz

(08:08):
and you're right, it's partly because it's what I don't
want them to do. I don't think he's a special prospect.
I think if you're worried about him moving inside the
guard right off the bat, that's that's a problem for
number four. I don't think he's a special guy. And
when Mike Rabel talked about at his press conference that
he wanted difference makers, that you can't just have a

(08:30):
team full of good players, you know, that made me
think about Genti. But I think it also could be Membu,
who I think, at least on some boards, is viewed
as a truly worthy top five tackle pick, and people
talking about, oh, well they need a left tackle, not
a right tackle. First of all, he could move, and
second of all, you really think they're making their long term,

(08:52):
first ever pick with Mike Rabel because of Morgan Moses
is a right tackle. No, you could have two right
tackles and Moses could be a back up and you
figure out left tackle later. So I don't buy that.
So I'm going to present a few players for you
and see what you think. I really think they'll take
one of these players. Genty Jalen Walker would be the
defensive player. Through Membo or Campbell. I could be wrong

(09:14):
about Campbell obviously, and I think it'd be one of
those four players. Where do you go for those four?

Speaker 2 (09:19):
I feel like it would be really poetic for Mike
Rabel with his history, to take Campbell honestly and that
he is a special player and a difference maker between
Membo and Campbell. Those are my two picks for the Patriots.
But I want to throw out another name, and I
know we actually haven't talked about him a lot because
he's dealing with the injury. What about Josh Simmons at four?

(09:39):
At four, I mean, if you like the guy, and
remember Mike Rabel spent a lot of time with Ohio State.

Speaker 1 (09:45):
He did the other thing he said, and these were
the two that stuck out to me most. Number one
the talent and then number two, he realized in Tennessee,
what weight first round picks Carrie, especially the first one
that he ever made back in Tennessee, that forever they're
going to be known as kind of that first bake
and he wants, you know, they want a player that
can handle that. Josh Simmons, coming off an injury, also

(10:09):
kind of looked at as a guy who how much
does he love the game, and so that's a big
risk to take up four. But I don't think it's
that that crazy. I think he could go in the
top ten. So I think.

Speaker 2 (10:18):
I also think the Patriots are still thinking about center
guard all of that.

Speaker 1 (10:22):
Yes, and trading down and maybe taking a Campbell yeah possible.

Speaker 2 (10:25):
Yeah, and center guard, I mean, you got to look
at it. It's it's way too high. But if they
are trade back candidate, a guy like Gray's Abel for example,
could be a fit for them.

Speaker 1 (10:35):
Man, I also think genty at four makes whatever the
odds are on that, I think it's more likely than
the odds say they are, because, again going off what
I said, they want difference makers, and I think they
would look at maybe there's only two or three difference
makers in this whole class. They have pick number four,
where the big cliff is, and yet they could take

(10:55):
one of those difference makers. I do not think Rimandre
Stevenson's like contract that he signed previously would impact this pick.
So I think they will absolutely consider gent. But ultimately
I'm with you, Membu or Campbell. Can you we got
to pull rank occasionally with these picks. Can you just
let's just go Membo, Let's I want to be this mock,
to be a little less consensusy, I admit, let's go

(11:17):
Mambu at four.

Speaker 2 (11:19):
I disagree, but okay, okay.

Speaker 1 (11:20):
I'll give you the next one. You know that we disagree,
we have to agree, though we have to agree.

Speaker 2 (11:26):
I would have gone I actually would have gone Simmons
over Membo at that pick. I know you just started it.

Speaker 3 (11:30):
By saying Membo or Campbell where you're picked, right, that's
I mean, yeah, But as I talked myself into excuse
me us Simmons, as I talked myself into Simmons at
the Ohio State connection, and just sort of dawned on
me at that moment with Rabel.

Speaker 1 (11:43):
Okay, a note is made, but the New England Patriots
will select them on Membo.

Speaker 2 (11:47):
Okay four? I will you know how I am with
these things where I'm just like, ooh, you know what, Greg,
that is a good argument. I know I'm supposed to
argue with you, but no, we're doing this.

Speaker 1 (11:58):
There's no one out there doing it like we're doing it,
where it's two people that have to agree. And that's
why I will kind of go to you and your expertise.
You just wrote a great feature on The Athletic about
the Jaguars GM James Gladstone. We've talked about him a
lot on the show, including last week's show with Jordan.
I recommend everyone check that out. Most fascinating figures. So

(12:19):
we don't know need to go too deep into Gladstone specifically,
but knowing everything you know about him and where the
Jaguars are at, what do you think.

Speaker 2 (12:26):
I think they'll be really serious about best player available
at this pickpoint. And I think, like you alluded to previously,
there are a few genuine transcendent difference makers in this draft,
and Ashton Genty is one of them. I could see
James Gladstone pulling back from the Todd Gurley Sean McVay
days of what that offense, especially with what Liam Cohen's

(12:49):
going to do with the heavy play action and marrying
the run in the past together, and someone who's going
to be excellent in pass pro, which we know Ashton
Genty is outstanding there, someone who does all the little
things correct, someone who is just a character guy. The
one thing that's given me pause is knowing James. I
would feel like he's made the joke that he's an

(13:10):
offensive lineman and a wide receiver's body like frequently, I
would think that he would really want to go offensive
line here. But again, you're thinking about the collective and
you're thinking about the first pick of this new era,
and I think a guy like Ashton Janty really makes
a lot of sense with all of those characteristics and categories.
I will note Tony Bisselli was their first pick of

(13:33):
the expansion franchise, now their executive vice president offensive lineman.
There could be some poetry there if they go offensive line,
but I do think it's going to be gent.

Speaker 1 (13:42):
Okay, So because in this scenario, Will Campbell is there,
they certainly could take Will camp.

Speaker 2 (13:47):
Oh and the Rams. Former Rams people don't care about
arm length, So there you go. That helps, so that's
a fit as well.

Speaker 1 (13:54):
That helps. Now they do, in theory have their tackle
signed long term, but they could play Campbell at guard initially.
And who knows of Walker Little's contract that he signs
in December is really going to affect things. But yeah,
let's go with the Jaguars and Gent if you I
gave you that pick because I agreed with you anyways,
but I would have given.

Speaker 2 (14:14):
You agreed with me anyways.

Speaker 1 (14:15):
I did. I think that's where they would go there,
But that would that would That is a tough one.
I think these are all extremely unpredictable. I don't think
people have a good feel of what the Patriots are
going to do again, Mason Graham being like a heavy
favorite to the Jags a few days ago, like that
doesn't Nobody really knows. So the Raiders are in an
interesting spot. Genty is off the board, Membu is off

(14:37):
the board. They certainly could take an offensive lineman. You
could see them build their team that way. So Will
Campbell is an option. I think Jalen Walker for their
defense out of Georgia as as another edge player, a
long term guy who you can move around a little bit.
Mason Graham, I think out of Michigan is certainly there's.

Speaker 2 (14:58):
A Michigan connection there, two of.

Speaker 1 (14:59):
Them possibility there. I don't have a strong take because
I like Walker as a player and just think teams
are more uniform on him than maybe Campbell and Graham specifically.
I lean Walker, but I could be talked out of it.

Speaker 2 (15:16):
Yeah, I think that they really are a pass rush
priority team. They just they like that's just the way
that they've built in the past. But they've got to
address some at least some of the positions on this
offensive line. And it gets tricky at this pickpoint because
you could go best player available, and depending on the
argument within the building, a couple of different guys.

Speaker 1 (15:38):
There's no way to know see from this point through
the rest of the round, it's very hard to say
anything about best player available because I think you could
argue that some of the players that are getting going
to get taken thirtieth are in the same tier as
the players right now. Now that we got here, and.

Speaker 2 (15:55):
I want to point out I've said this on a
previous show, what I genuinely do think the Raiders are
going to do. I think they're going to trade back
out of this pick unless some transcendent player that we've
already mocked elsewhere falls to them. And I think they're
going to trade out of this pick. And I think
John Spytech's going to use that to stockpile picks in
the late first and also in the second that top

(16:16):
of the second area to get some of these really
good offensive linemen and also pick up another receiver. I
would not be surprised to see them go receiver this
high if they stay.

Speaker 1 (16:24):
No Teed McMillan is at McMillan.

Speaker 2 (16:26):
Or Matthew Golden I think would be and.

Speaker 1 (16:29):
I hear you on the trade back. It's easier said
than done in this draft, but they are one of
the teams that are most likely to be aggressive in
trying to do that, because, yeah, they traded that Gino
Smith pick.

Speaker 2 (16:39):
And I think that a couple of teams that are
right below them, including and I know this is like
cage that the Broncos Raiders. I don't know that they'd
actually trade with each other, but also the Saints for example,
too could be one of those teams trying to get up.
There are going to be some really good tight ends
that are going to fall, and both of those teams
I could see.

Speaker 1 (16:55):
Okay, so did we we have to stick? Though? You
said the pass rush thing that so it's stuck in
my Yeah. So that makes yeah.

Speaker 2 (17:02):
And the popular picks for the Raiders right now, if
the board would fall this way, would be Mason Graham
or Walker. I'd probably lean toward Walker.

Speaker 1 (17:12):
The Raiders select Jalen Walker. I think it's a good pick.
I'm liking how this Mack is going. The Jets are
on the board, they could certainly.

Speaker 2 (17:20):
Use I'm gonna put Campbell for them.

Speaker 1 (17:24):
Really, I just don't think, like, where's he going to play?
They have a pretty good offensive line to me, Yeah,
that's true. I thought they were a Colston Loveland or
Tyler Warren team. Potentially throughout there's some late buzz that
Aaron Glenn secondary, they're going to see players a certain way,
So there's some Jday Baron buzz with them that they

(17:47):
could start in the secondary where they have a bigger
need and take Jday barn number seven. Overall, no one
really surprised. Would surprise me here. I think the chalk
pick would probably be Campbell, I mean would probably be
Loveland or Tyler Warren. I'm not sure where they would
go specifically. Loveland to me seems a little more traditional
and and fits like what the Lions did specifically. But

(18:09):
but Tyler Warren would be a really fun piece. And then, yeah,
you mentioned.

Speaker 2 (18:13):
But you need a specific you do one one. I don't.
I wouldn't say need because that sounds harsh to the player,
but you do want a specific plan for Tyler Warren.
And I'm just not convinced. We don't know what that
offense is going to look like we don't know, it's
gonna be.

Speaker 1 (18:26):
Like a like a creative run first offense.

Speaker 2 (18:30):
That's why you want Colston Loveland because he blocks his
butt off.

Speaker 1 (18:34):
He's gonna he's gonna be a good blocker. And it's
not like you don't need receivers in a run first offense.
And they have a chasm after Garrett Wilson to who
are their second best receivers, whether it's at tight end
or so, I would lean Loveland personally. I mean for
the Jets, I think that pick would make sense for
what they want to do.

Speaker 2 (18:53):
Yeah, if we're picking tight end, I'd go Loveland for
the Jets over Tyler Warren.

Speaker 1 (18:58):
Let's go Colston Loveland seventh overall, pick little spicy. There
are some injury concerns.

Speaker 2 (19:04):
Tight end in the top ten. What could go wrong?

Speaker 1 (19:06):
And so we've had a couple guys fall.

Speaker 2 (19:10):
I know we have. I'm getting I'm getting regrouped here.

Speaker 1 (19:12):
Will Campbell is still on the board, Tyler Warren is
still on the board, and Mason Graham is still on
the board.

Speaker 2 (19:20):
Yeah. And in mocking by the way and mocking him
to the Jets, I'm also asserting that he'd have to
change positions, which would be a tough thing to do
because OLU.

Speaker 1 (19:27):
There have if you put Campbell, Yeah, but Lovelan's there.
He's locked in. So we have the Panthers, one of
the big mystery teams. I think they would like it.

Speaker 2 (19:35):
If they're in a great position. By the way, the.

Speaker 1 (19:37):
Board fell this way. So I listened to Josh Norris,
who did our podcast. I listened to his Makola because
they do a good job collecting things. He always hasn't
in on the Panthers. He's a Panthers fan.

Speaker 2 (19:46):
I know.

Speaker 1 (19:46):
And then he just said he had a hunch that
they would take Mikel Williams. So I'm going to be
the Josh Norris of the situation here because he listens
to all the people, and Josh Norris is the Panthers
source that I think is very interesting. And then you
combine that with here, I mean more than any other
player between Peter Schrager and other people. Hey, Michael Williams
is probably my top guy who could go higher than
anyone else thinks. And I think you know the Rangey.

(20:11):
I don't love his tape. I went back to his
junior tape too, or his twenty twenty three tape to
see what people like to I don't totally see it,
but he could be a surprise pick that is just
copying Josh Norris, I admit it, but I think that's
a good person to copy, or one of these other
guys who who are very high on a lot of
consensus sports, Campbell, Warren or Graham. I'll kind of I'll

(20:31):
see the Florida you.

Speaker 2 (20:32):
I don't really well Dan Morgan, the former linebacker their GM.
They really Shaq Thompson is no longer on the YA.
Obviously they parted with Frankie Luvu, the one of the
favorite players of NFL Daily before last season. And I
wonder if John Campbell's a fit here.

Speaker 1 (20:48):
He absolutely would be another one to throw out there.

Speaker 2 (20:51):
That's who between him and Michael Waie, Michael Michael Williams,
I think I would want to pick Campbell for the Panthers.

Speaker 1 (20:59):
Okay, let's go Jahad Campbell going early in this class.

Speaker 2 (21:04):
I think he's probably one of those elite special players
in this draft class.

Speaker 1 (21:08):
And he's hurt and he might not be ready for
the start of the season, which is always a concern,
But in this class, I think you're just going to
take your favorite players.

Speaker 2 (21:16):
So and the Panthers are not in a huge rush
to like they need to. They need to methodically rebuild
this defense. You have to have the right people, the
right players. He seemed. He just seems to be a
perfect fit to really be an anchor, a stalwart, a
potential captain in this defense that has to be overhauled
the way that it has.

Speaker 1 (21:35):
I love him. If they do take Michael Williams, just
know I believed in you, Josh Jordan did. Let's must
I would have I would have gone just I would
have just copied with Josh.

Speaker 2 (21:48):
I know, actually I know, Josh, you're listening to this
because your mock draft will probably be one of the
most accurate of all time, which Greg got wrong, even
though I reminded Greg that it was at all time.

Speaker 1 (21:58):
Okay, Saints, this is though, this is the pick that's
I've thought about for the last twenty four Oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (22:04):
I want to let you cook on this one here, Greg,
let's talk about it.

Speaker 1 (22:08):
This whole time. I thought the Saints that that Shador
Sanders was the floor, okay, and it was kind of
going that direction. Then that there car news happens and
you hear some things of like maybe the Saints weren't
even like thrilled that that you know that Okay, now
everyone knows that we're in on quarterbacks even more that
it's so funny to think about the evolution of this

(22:28):
stuff because literally, only a week ago at this time,
everyone's like, actually, you know, the Saints are pretty in
on quarterbacks, and now cut to one week later, everyone's like, actually,
the Saints are not in at all on Shouldar Sanders.
Jeff Duncan, they're longtime reporters, so good says. One thing
I can say confidently is like they're not taking Shuldar Standers.
Everyone suddenly come out and said like, actually, it doesn't

(22:51):
seem like the Saints are going to be in on
Shouldar Sanders, and people are projecting, Okay, his his spot
then would be with the Steelers, most likely his neck spot.
Actually that it's possible if a team doesn't trade up
for him, and I do want to be contrarion, I
guess here and be like, doesn't it make sense for
them to take Shuldar Sanders after all this? Now I

(23:13):
know my friend Adam would probably disagree with me here,
because if Mason Graham fell to them. That's a player
I think they would be very interested in, and that's
a great value. Could they try to take Mason Graham
here and then come back up for Shular Sanders? Sure
that that's possible, And so I'm really struggling with it
because all of a sudden, the consensus is that, no,
the Saints aren't going to take Shuitdar Sanders at nine.

(23:35):
And yet I think it makes a lot of sense
on a lot of levels. And I think you would
make sense with Kellen Moore, and I think it could
give them a little bit of a life raft into
the future, like a little bit of a hope a quarterback.

Speaker 2 (23:49):
The thing that I do also pause on is there
are two other quarterbacks who I do think make sense
with Kellen Moore in terms of that sort of pop
gun passing that he likes to do, and that's Shuck
Tyler Shuck and Kyle McCord. And he'll be available pretty
late late down the line here. So that's where I'm like, Okay, now,

(24:10):
Saints Block Party podcast just sent me a hat, so
I'm gonna go with LAMB and they're saying.

Speaker 1 (24:13):
On this sent me yea too.

Speaker 2 (24:15):
It's nice I like it a lot, and I love hats.
I'm a I'm a hat. Fisher's Adam taught me the phrase,
and so I am going to go with whatever they say.
I's so fact I'm going to go with whatever you're
saying on this, Well, I'm not You're gonna have to
make the decision.

Speaker 1 (24:29):
I want to put Sanders to the Saints just because
I feel like he's not gonna land there on any
mocks in the end or almost any and I just
think there's a greater chance of that happening just because
it makes too much sense. And I'm going to give
the Saints too much credit and say that this is
all misdirection, that all this coming out after everyone thought
that they were going to take quarterback was misdirection, and

(24:51):
that in the end they were in on Sanders. I
could totally see an option where in this scenario where
they do take Graham and then they come back up
for Sanders and then everyone's really happy, kind of like
I talked about with the Giants, and they're a team
that would be aggressive enough to try to make that happen.
But ultimately I'm leaning I'm leading Shitar Sanders have some fun.

Speaker 2 (25:09):
I'm also not totally out on offensive line for them.
It doesn't make me feel great that Will Campbell and
Josh Simmons are dropping the way that they are.

Speaker 1 (25:20):
Well, I mean, Simmons is to be fair consensus board thirty,
you know, twenty four right now, and that's that's been rising.

Speaker 2 (25:26):
I don't because of the injury. It is totally because
of the injury, because you know, no sample size. Daniel
Jeremiah said this. Dane Brugler has said this, if he
was able to play a full season, he'd probably be
a top five.

Speaker 1 (25:39):
Pick, unless unless his play decline. Because this is all
based on.

Speaker 2 (25:44):
Like coupution, so is the draft. No.

Speaker 1 (25:46):
I know, but it's a little different when you're doing
it off like four start.

Speaker 2 (25:50):
I just don't like that Lsu Lineman is falling and
we're talking about the Saints at nine fair.

Speaker 1 (25:56):
All right, let's take one more pick and then we'll
take a break. The Chicago Bears that are a pick
put it on. Let's say at the chime, the Saints
are taking Shador Sanders. I don't care if we're wrong,
I just we're doing it. The Bears are up in
what everyone is going to be like if this happened, like, oh,
what great value because you get so convinced that the

(26:20):
consensus was right, and then people are so happy when
people stop the slide, when the consensus doesn't really know
who's good or bad. I don't have a hot take here,
but they have a lot of good options.

Speaker 2 (26:32):
I have Campbell have a hot take here.

Speaker 1 (26:34):
Mason Graham is a good one, and Tyler Warren is
a good one. Where do you go?

Speaker 2 (26:37):
The Bears are taking Tyler Warren, Wow Warren with Ben Johnson, and.

Speaker 1 (26:41):
So Graham and Campbell slide out of their top.

Speaker 2 (26:46):
Ten, which, to be fair and to be clear, I
don't think will actually happen, because I do think. I
do not think that the Saints are going to take
me personally. I don't think the Saints are going to
take a quarterback at nine. I think they could still
end up with Shador if they trade back. But I
think that one of at least one of these two
offensive linemen, if not three offensive linemen, go in the
top twelve. However, we're going with what we think the

(27:07):
teams are going to do, and Ben Johnson and Tyler
Warren to me is an absolute match made in heaven
because he will have a vision and a design for
how to best maximize Tyler Warren. And I really think
that we're going to be This is gonna be one
of those scenarios where three years from now, we're like,

(27:27):
how the hell did the rest of the league let
Ben Johnson get his hands on Tyler Warren?

Speaker 1 (27:32):
Wow? And that would in this scenario have two tight
ends go in the top ten. The Bears of course
have a useful tight end in Cole Comette, although he
might not be long for the Bears. And in this scenario,
I mean, I think you would stay on the team.

Speaker 2 (27:45):
No way that Ben Johnson has also used to Pine
Sewel in the past, the way that Ben Johnson has
worked with some of the multiple tight end packages, Like,
I don't think having Cole Comet, I don't think. I
don't even think even if he had a stud tight
end already on the roster, I don't wouldn't think that
it would prohibit Ben Johnson from really looking hard at
Tyler Warren.

Speaker 1 (28:03):
This is why doing this together like you should have
should have a consistent logic throughout of how you're seeing
these different teams and players. But instead we're kind of
going back and forth and I think that's gonna somehow
work out to be the best mock draft ever, because
if I think it would make more sense to take
this is where I would stop the slide of Will Campbell.
I think they would see him as a guard that
could potentially play left tackle and start.

Speaker 2 (28:24):
It'd be a great pick.

Speaker 1 (28:25):
Start there entire regime with an offensive lineman, which just
makes a lot of sense. But we're gonna go with
Jordan's pick here, and I think it makes a lot
of sense as well. With a tenth pick, the Bear
select Tyler Warren. All right, we are through the top ten.
We are going to take a quick break, and we
will be back with the rest of the picks after
this back on NFL Daily. I love this show.

Speaker 2 (28:56):
Nobody's gonna be mad at uh.

Speaker 1 (28:58):
Nobody is to be mad that we're the only mock
draft in the country that did not put Will Campbell
or Mason Graham in the top ten.

Speaker 2 (29:07):
Whoops?

Speaker 1 (29:08):
Do the forty nine ers stop the slide of either
one of those players. It's interesting because I think of
them as a team that is all about traits on
the defensive line. I'm really thinking defensive line for them,
and yet you know, they have two real value plays there.
Before it fell like this, I was thinking guys like
Michael Williams if he was available, and he is actually

(29:32):
Shamar Stewart. I forgot that we didn't put him to
the Panthers. Shamar Stewart is a possibility. Walter Nolan like
these really trades. He guys who I think could go
higher than people think. But in this scenario, Graham and
Campbell are both there. Both also kind of makes sense
for them. What do you think between all those guys,
Mike Green would be another possibility, the Louisville pass rusher.

Speaker 2 (29:53):
Yeah, I think because Robert Saala is back there as DC,
they could go inside to outside here, So I think
Graham would be the right pick for them.

Speaker 1 (30:02):
They certainly need a lot of defensive help, especially on
the line inside and outside. I kind of think they
sneak you need an offensive lineman too, and Campbell, who knows,
maybe could develop and become a left tackle there for
the future. But let's go Mason Graham with the eleventh
overall pick. A guy that gets to the past. I

(30:26):
love that with the best defensive line coach in the league, perhaps,
although not as much talent there as we used to.
All right, we're to pick twelve. The Dallas Cowboys are
up their local guy, Brian Brotus, who I think does
an awesome job covering the team. Check out his sub stack.
He does some podcasts. I think they are looking at

(30:48):
what everyone's thinking they're looking at, which is wide receiver.
In this scenario, Teed McMillan is still available. Again. Will
Campbell like, I'm going to keep mentioning them until he
gets taken. They're not a crazy Will Campbell team, but
they they do have Tyler Smith is more of a
left guard if you saw him as a left tackle,
that's possible. Matthew Golden is another possible pick here, Daniel

(31:11):
Jeremiah's number one local guy at Texas. I lean tet.

Speaker 2 (31:17):
Eilean Golden actually because I think Matthew Golden compliments CD
Lamb pretty well.

Speaker 1 (31:23):
I think they both do well.

Speaker 2 (31:24):
Yeah, I think I think they both do. But I
also think that, you know, it's it just kind of
I think it's a matter of preference. Who you're one
two is for me mine. I tend to agree with
DJ on this. I go Matthew I do.

Speaker 1 (31:35):
Too, but I put Tet to the Cowboys I guess
I would just to me, Golden maybe is like a
I mean, he's a much lesser version of CD, but
the kind of the jack of all trades can do
it all, move him all around, separate, whereas Ted is
that clear outside guy, which to me makes force and brotus.
I'm just leaning towards the local guy who I trust
the most, and he's been saying he really thinks Tet

(31:57):
is the pick.

Speaker 2 (31:58):
So let's go with what he says. Then I love
a local beat writer, shout out.

Speaker 1 (32:02):
Okay, we will go Teed McMillan t mac. He wants
to be called t mac, so I gotta start call
him a t mac at twelve. All right, let's just
stop the slide. We can be quick on this. If
Will Campbell falls to the the Dolphins, I don't think
there's any that's a no brainer. I don't think there's any.

Speaker 2 (32:18):
Cun that's a no brainer. And also, Miami needs everything.

Speaker 1 (32:22):
Yes they really do, but they really need interior offensive line.
I guess he could say that they have Patrick Paul
at left tackle or whatever, and that's fine. Then you
start Campbell at left guard. It doesn't matter.

Speaker 2 (32:32):
Let's take this could also be a sneaky moment to
watch for potential Jalen Ramsey trade as well.

Speaker 1 (32:37):
Yes, good call, and like I think they could be
in on today Baron here or Will Johnson. We didn't
really mention it, but I think they were a little heartbroken.
They lost Kaleis Campbell, so they suddenly lost Toron Armstead
and Kalays Camball. I think they thought they were getting
Campbell back. They could be a Ken Grant team too.
I think he's gonna get He's another one of those
guys that if I was a betting man, I would

(32:58):
go on the he's gonna get taken earlier than whatever
the contensus is. And I think this is his first
spot where it's pretty realistic that he could go. But
let's go Will Campbell because of how this board fell.
Now the Colts are up, and in most drafts they
mox they take a tight end, but we had our
tight ends go very early. Michael Williams is there. They

(33:19):
do like toolsy trait se guys. I think they could
definitely use a pass rusher. I think they could take
an offensive lineman. This could be the first spot where
you see a Gray Zable, their GM said on Tuesday,
that hey, yeah, we're going to be wanting to take
a pass catching tight end at some point, which set

(33:42):
off my alarm bells that he doesn't want one in
the first round, Like why would he say that at
some point? Like no, but just why would he say
that publicly? That, Like we're trying to let people think
that we're taking a It felt very Pete Carroll talking
about ash and Genty to me, where it was almost
too obvious that he was trying to make people think
he's doing that when they're actually not.

Speaker 2 (34:01):
I think that there Josh Norris mentioned this. I think
they could be potentially looking to trade for a tight
end as well. I mean Dallas Goddard potentially being available.
They do need one, and that's why it's been such
a popular mock to them, but they kind of They
also are one of those teams that needs a lot
of help in a lot of different areas as well.

Speaker 1 (34:21):
I think they are going to look at at linemen.
They are big on athletic traits more probably more than
any team in the entire NFL, and so with the
players available here that they could take, gray 's abel
makes a lot of sense tested off the charts, and
then Mikel Williams. I keep I'm going to keep mentioning
because I do think the idea that he's going to

(34:41):
go a little earlier than people think makes sense to me.

Speaker 2 (34:46):
He's also twenty. He's also only twenty, so that's also
another reason why I think he's going to go much
the trades guy.

Speaker 1 (34:51):
So I'd like to go Zabel or Michael Williams. I'll
let you make the choice.

Speaker 2 (34:56):
I'm gonna go Michael Williams, but I want to This
is a little, maybe potentially newsy nugget. I do think
Gray's Abel's gonna go higher than a lot of people
think he is.

Speaker 1 (35:04):
Yeah, he's another one, and I would expect that number
to move up in the next couple of days. But
we're taking Mikel Williams for the Colts, and I think
this is where his draft sort of starts, Miami and Indianapolis.
It wouldn't shock me if he goes to either one
of those teams. All right, the Falcons are up. We
just took a pass rusher off the board.

Speaker 2 (35:25):
Derek Carmon really yeah, feel strong terrier guy. Raheem Morris
was really high on some previous Oregon players got a
really long look at him back when he was working
with the Scouts in Los Angeles, and obviously with you know,
no Grady Jarrett anymore, you're really looking at somebody who's

(35:45):
going to be a long time sort of stalwart in
the middle. And I think Derek Carmon has all the tools,
all the traits. He's you know, he's consistent, he's always
around the quarterback. I think that that's that would be an
important pick for them.

Speaker 1 (35:57):
Okay, let's just roll with that one. She's feeling strong
on this one. I think if we're feeling hot on
some of them, let's do it. They could certainly take
a cornerback there. Cornerbacks have fallen in this class. Yeah,
Now that's not shocking because to me, this cornerback class
probably not as good at the top as last year's
and last year's no one see a run right now,
no one went in the top twenty. Now that said,

(36:18):
it wouldn't shock me if they took a cornerback there.
Wouldn't shock me if they took Walter Nolan there. Because
I've heard, you know, Albert Berer is reporting the forty
nine ers are strongly considering him at eleven. He's another guy.
If you've listened over the last week to me, he could.
I think some teams will have him as the number
two defensive player on this board behind Travis Hunt. I

(36:39):
just think some teams are going to see major upside.
He's not going to slip too far, which makes him
a candidate for the Cardinals because they need everything. They
could certainly use a defensive tackle. I like Johdd Campbell
to them, but he's already taken. I like Will Johnson
to them. I like Jday Baron to them. Between Will Johnson,
Jday Baron and who did I just say, my guy,

(37:00):
Walter Nolan. I think all of them makes sense.

Speaker 2 (37:04):
I do too, and I kind of want to think
too about what this defense is emerging into. They went
from like the walk around defense. I think Patrick Claiban
called them the search bar, which is what was a
great nickname. But they they're malleable, they're fluid. Sometimes they
play with the three safety looks. They like to do

(37:27):
different things with some of those shells that we've seen
people come out of the Fangio tree doing. With Jonathan Gannon,
I would imagine that the pick here is defense, but
I would say I'd look at maybe a corner for
them here, like a Will Johnson.

Speaker 1 (37:41):
Yeah, I think I'll I'm gonna maybe have him take
Nolan and what we're going to just be spicy throughout.
I'll push in here. Although I'm torn, I like the
idea Will Johnson as well. The one thing I would
say about their secondary because I've heard people talk about
and I do think it is neat, but I do
think it's a lot better than people realize. I don't
think people think of Max Melton and Garrett Williams as

(38:02):
core young pieces, and they absolutely are. That's a second
round pick from last year, Max Meltin, who showed a
lot at the end of last year, and Garrett Williams,
who is one of the better young nickelbacks in the league.
And I know Cardinals fans are out there, I think
screaming at some of the national guys saying how thin
their secondary. So you have those two guys, you have
Buddha Baker, doesn't mean they don't need another cornerback though

(38:22):
they're pretty thin after those two spots, so you need
a third corner. Will Johnson does make a lot of
sense there. Man, Did I just talk myself out of
Walter Nolan, who I kind of want him to go
early in this mock to represent that. I think he
will go earlier, but he hasn't made perfect sense yet.

(38:44):
And I actually convince myself, and your argument about Will
Johnson convinced me as I went through it, like, Yeah,
they have a good secondary, but you need even.

Speaker 2 (38:54):
More plays always make it better.

Speaker 1 (38:55):
Let's go Will Johnson.

Speaker 2 (38:56):
Kalais Campbell back with the Arizona Cardinals.

Speaker 1 (38:58):
By the way, love that that pick up by them. Okay,
the Bengals are here, and you've heard some Harmon to them,
but he's off the board. You've heard some Johad Campbell
to them, but he's off the board. So I don't
think it's fallen exactly how they want. I think this
is a spot where you would think about Calvin Banks,
the tackle from Texas, kind of fits the profile of

(39:19):
the type of teams they like to draft. I think
they need to get better on the offensive line. I
think they could be a potential Walter Nolan team. I
think I might want to just stick them here.

Speaker 2 (39:30):
What do you feel do you want to Greg or
per our argument at the top. Do you think the
Cincinnati Bengals will.

Speaker 1 (39:36):
So they have I knowing that the reporting around them
is defensive tackle, they were in linebacker. I don't think
if Johad Campbell's there, there is another linebacker that you
even think about. I do think they take Tracy Toolsy
guys from big programs. Do we count All miss as
a big program?

Speaker 2 (39:55):
Now?

Speaker 1 (39:55):
I think so? An SEC school who that like they
really draft out of those schools. So to me, he's
a better version of Harmon. They might not have seen
it that way, but I do think that he would
be in that same tier that if that's a guy
that they were looking at, would make sense. But Kelvin
Banks could also make sense.

Speaker 2 (40:11):
It might. I feel like that Mike Green in terms
of tools and explosiveness, really makes sense to the Bengals
in my mind, especially as this situation with Trey Hendrickson
remains very fluid. And in my opinion, they are an
organization that will think they've already done what they need
to do on the offensive side by getting those receivers
taken care of, right or wrong, I believe that's what

(40:33):
they'll think, and they really need to address the defense.
You don't fire a coach and then don't and then
not give the new guy anybody to work with to
improve that defense.

Speaker 1 (40:43):
So they seem like a team that would not care
about Mike Green's off field correct concerns. It does make sense.
I could see Mike Green falling in this draft because
he's a unique prospect in terms of the level of
play that he was at at Marshall, how he wins.
Is that kind of translate, and then the off field

(41:04):
stuff that he could go anywhere from like the middle
of the first round like this to just falling out
of the first round. It wouldn't surprise me. But you
made a compelling argument. Let's go Mike Green, Cincinnati Bengals. Okay,
part of that is I was thinking about our next pick, and.

Speaker 2 (41:18):
We got you distracted thinking about the Seahawks.

Speaker 1 (41:20):
I was thinking about the offensive lineman that will be
available to them there. Tyler Booker as a guard is
certainly an option, But now that Kelvin Banks fell to them,
I do think that they would I think he's going
to go in the end pretty high. I think Tyler
Booker is going to go pretty high too, So I
think it'll be between one of those two. But they
certainly could use a right tackle if that's where they

(41:42):
want to put Kelvin Banks. They could put him at
left tackle. Are they going to sign Charles Cross long term?
I think they will, but Banks could also be a
guard at the next level. Either way, they need to
improve the offensive line, so I think it's one of
those two guys.

Speaker 2 (41:52):
I would not roll out a long look at Gray's Abel.

Speaker 1 (41:55):
Oh, yes, that's it. It slipped my mind that he
was available. That's it. That's the pick. Graz abel Man.
Seahawks fans would be excited about that. Like a toolsy,
high upside guy with position flexibility. Probably starts out as
a guard a lot of teams. I didn't see his
best position at guard. He could play as a center,
but you just don't know. So that's something where you

(42:16):
get him in the building, you figure it out. Let's
go to the Bucks at number nineteen.

Speaker 2 (42:21):
I would have loved Johd Campbell and this Todd Bowles defense.
By the way, but he's already gone.

Speaker 1 (42:25):
He has gone. My guy, Nolan, I'm just going to
keep mentioning him is a possibility. Matthew Golden still hasn't
been taken, and I think the Seahawks would have considered
him at number eighteen. Certainly the Bucks probably not considering
him him at number nineteen. I think running back could
be a surprise here. When I saw that Adam Schefter

(42:48):
wrote that Rashad White is available for a possible trade,
I thought, Hm, that's interesting. They seem like a running
back team now, but it could be a later running
back team. You have Bucky Irving already in place, as
Iraku has been a popular pick to them. That's probably
where I lean for them. I think he's a unique
pass rusher they need one. I think it's a bit

(43:10):
of a fall at the edge position after him personally,
and maybe they would see it that way that they
don't want to wait all the way till the end
of round two.

Speaker 2 (43:18):
Yeah, But I also would not actually because Chris Godwin,
his recovery timeline is so long. I actually would not
rule out Matthew Golden here. And you're looking at a
future hopefully a long time from now, because I love
watching Mike Evans play, But you are looking at at
some point a world without Mike Evans where you've got
a quarterback on it.

Speaker 1 (43:37):
That's a really tough one team building wise, and I
don't have a strong take. I think if they really
saw Golden as a tier above and as Iraku type,
they would do it. They are a team I think
that wants to draft linemen. Ultimately. I think they've just
invested so much money in Evans Godwin and Jalen McMillan
with a high pick last year, who looks like a

(43:58):
good player that I'm gonna push my cards in on
Donovan as a rock.

Speaker 2 (44:03):
I think that's a good pick and I think he
would I think he would really thrive in this defense too.

Speaker 1 (44:08):
Love it. The Broncos in our scenario were not allowed
to trade up. In this scenario, they are pumped because
I think the players available are guys that they could
absolutely trade up and take and make it look like
we got this pick right anyways, where they take Matthew
Golden or Amari and Hampton or Travon Henderson at number

(44:28):
twelve overall because they traded up, we've got him at twenty.
I think they're all strong candidates for the Broncos. Here Man,
I've been locked in at running backs so much, but
Golden being on the board. How the draft fell.

Speaker 2 (44:43):
What do you think I feel like we have to
give Sean Payton Matthew Golden. I mean that just seems
like joy.

Speaker 1 (44:49):
I think he loves Ashton.

Speaker 2 (44:51):
We might see Sean Payton smile.

Speaker 1 (44:53):
Yes, I think he loves Ashton. Genty. I think they'll
look at this running back class and think ultimately, even
though they would have been happy with Hampton or Travon Henderson,
whoever it would have been at twenty, I don't know
how they're feeling, but I love Hampton. I think they'll
look at the value as a wide receiver and think, man,
we can get a running back later in this deep class.
Matthew Golden is the pick. And so we got to

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the Pittsburgh Steelers. This could be a senior team.

Speaker 2 (45:18):
You've already given the Saints Schauduur, so I know they.

Speaker 1 (45:22):
Are a very hard team actually to mock. If shoulder
is out there some possibilities. I would throw out Walter
Nolan as a pass rushing defensive lineman, someone that they
want to develop. Ty Leak Williams, I'm gonna throw him
out there. Not a name. I'm seeing a Ton in
the first round, more of a run stuffer, but everything

(45:45):
I know about him, man, they love nose tackles. Where
is he on the consensuspoort up to forty three, which
I feel like is about as high as he's been.
I think he could be a surprise first round pick
when you have a three hundred and fifty pound man.
Kenneth Grant would be another strong candidate. I kind of
forgot that we haven't taken Kenneth Grant here. There's some

(46:06):
good picks, or Mika Abuka at wide receiver in a
scenario where they trade out. This is why, man, this
is a good part of the draft to have. Like,
is this pick really any worse than the Patriots at four?
I personally don't think so. Like the players that they're
choosing from, I think it's like kind of the same
tier of players, and you're here at twenty one and
you're filling a need with pretty good players. Out of

(46:27):
the ones I mentioned, who do you like?

Speaker 2 (46:29):
Can I say something crazy?

Speaker 1 (46:30):
Sure?

Speaker 2 (46:31):
Permission to say something crazy?

Speaker 1 (46:32):
Permission granted?

Speaker 2 (46:35):
What if they still take a quarterback? Oh, Tyler Shuck
or Jackson dart Man.

Speaker 1 (46:40):
I am not. You are not putting Tyler Shuck in
this first round. You hate how old he is, I don't.
I hate that he seems to completely crumble against pressures.
I'm kind of shocked how much love he's getting and
maybe it's because he's the type of guy I feel
like I've been wrong about so much in the past,
where it's like, you see all all the pro things,
he seems like such a pro quarterback until the moment

(47:03):
pressure is around him, and then he seems like he
has no pocket presence whatsoever, like none.

Speaker 2 (47:08):
I'm just saying, I don't think we can rule out
if they're if this is a potential shitter Sanders team,
and Mike Tomlin's out here saying, or Omar Cohn's out
here saying, Hey, we're probably going to go into camp
with four quarterbacks. How we get to that, I'm not sure.
I would not rule out them taking one of these
other quarterback. If Shooter's gone one of these other quarterbacks
at twenty one, I would not actually mind Jackson Dart here.

Speaker 1 (47:34):
I think the Steelers would be more likely, but I
agree with your your point overall, I think he'd be
mad that crazy more likely to view these guys in
similar ways. Maybe they do like Tyler Shuck and feel
like you can wait till round two and see who
is there for them at rend.

Speaker 2 (47:52):
But the Browns are sitting there.

Speaker 1 (47:54):
At the top, and the Giants are well.

Speaker 2 (47:55):
And the Giants are as well, and neither of them
have quarterbacks. So that's where I'm saying at twenty one.
I think the Pittsburgh Steelers, they look and they've been
playing this waiting game, and Rooney is starting to get
impatient because he's only willing to wait to a point.
They've been playing this game with Aaron Rodgers for weeks
and months. They don't even really seem to know, you know,
what day he wants to arrive or win, if he's

(48:16):
going to be there or not. They're going to look
at those guys below them that are sitting just you
know what.

Speaker 1 (48:21):
I think they were burned by Kenny Pickett, and I
ultimately go back to think, what's the most logical thing
and what everyone said about this draft plast the whole time. Ultimately,
people aren't in love with these quarterbacks. And I think
that's going to include the Steelers, who would take Jackson
Dart potentially in round two, but not necessarily. I'm standing
on the table for alignment rank yes for it. Whether

(48:43):
it's Kenned you can do it on a future one.
I owe you, Kenneth Grant. I think would make a
lot of sense here let's do it. Let's go. Kenneth
Grant to me, he's got a lot of juice for
a big guy, both him and Tyler Williams as a
run stopper, I think makes a lot of sense. Let's
take one more break and we will finish our mock
right after this. I'm telling you the twenties are where

(49:14):
you want to be in this class. There's so many
good players available. Here's still who's available. I've never I
never did take Walter Nolan off the board, my guy
from Old Miss, So I think.

Speaker 2 (49:23):
Just says old Miss did I.

Speaker 1 (49:29):
Oh, Greg Schmar Stewart, we haven't even.

Speaker 2 (49:31):
I know Stewart's gotta go. We gotta get him up higher.

Speaker 1 (49:34):
Will Johnson is still available.

Speaker 2 (49:37):
Yeah, I know where I want.

Speaker 1 (49:38):
For any team out there.

Speaker 2 (49:39):
I know where I want.

Speaker 1 (49:39):
Jday Barron is still available for any team out there.
The secondary running backs Travon Henderson and Amarion Hampton is available.
I'm going to do something which shouldn't be allowed to do,
and you guys cannot allow it. I'm looking at Eric
in the back, I'm looking at Jordan's Are there any
reverse gears in this truck?

Speaker 2 (49:58):
Because I really take back seat.

Speaker 1 (50:01):
I love the fit of Kenneth Grant, who.

Speaker 2 (50:04):
I love the Kenneth You're old miss guy with.

Speaker 1 (50:07):
The Chargers because Kenneth Grant one of Jim Harbaugh's favorites.
I love him with the Chargers. And then so I
put Walter Nolan in that are there reverse gears?

Speaker 2 (50:17):
No, I'm giving the Chargers o'mary and Hampton.

Speaker 1 (50:20):
Oh okay, there's no reverse gears. This is what happens
when two people draft together. I got a big thumbs down.

Speaker 2 (50:29):
Eric literally said, hey, please don't loot me in on
this because my mic doesn't know. I know did today.

Speaker 1 (50:34):
It wasn't Eric, what did you do? It was Gavin
who gave me a big thumbs down. I don't know
Chargers fan, I believe, and uh.

Speaker 2 (50:42):
Maybe he's what do you think of Omari and Hampton?

Speaker 1 (50:45):
Thumbs up there down. He does not want another running back,
but that is fun, and that is something Dany Jeremia's
kind of hinted at. Maybe another running back there. But man,
they're passing on some guys in the trenches. Okay, the
Packers are up. They're a team that has been connected
to Maxwell Harston, the Kentucky cornerback who if he doesn't
go to the Packers. I don't think is expected necessarily

(51:06):
to go into the first round. But he's a four
to two cornerback and they need a cornerback.

Speaker 2 (51:09):
That defense has got to improve. It it was you
could see it with under Jeff Affley can see it
and flashes. It has got to improve this year.

Speaker 1 (51:16):
Okay, so we are onto the Packers, I mean onto
the Vikings. Let's give the Packers Maxwell Harston. Now, the
Vikings I think would love if jday Baron falls to them.
I think they would love a guy with some position flexibility.
I remember in the secondary.

Speaker 2 (51:33):
Remember that Shamar Stewart is still on the board.

Speaker 1 (51:35):
I also think they would like trade to guy. I
don't think Shamar Stewart makes sense for them because I
think they're good at edge after trading up for Dallas
Turner last year. I also think they are the most
likely team to trade back, and so if we're trying
to get the mock draft right, they might not even
be in the first round. But let's say they traded back.
Who's the guy I could see take Josh Simmons.

Speaker 2 (51:54):
If they trade back, they need a line help.

Speaker 1 (51:56):
Josh Simmons is interesting, you know, They have their long
term left tackle in Christian Darisaw. Is he a guy
that you would take and develop into your long term
right tackle. They have Brian O'Neill, but he is getting
up there in years. I really think they go defense there.
Their local guys think they go defense. Walter Nolan. They
definitely could use a long term defensive tackle, but ultimately,

(52:18):
with the value and the fit some people have projected,
Malachi starts there. I think Jaday Baron is a very
different player, but a better player and does a lot
of the same things. I think this is where we
stop the slide of Jaday bart Okay, let's put him there,
all right. Jaday barn Out of Texas one of Dana
Jeremiah's favorite players. Getting some of the Brian Branch comps,
guys that have slipped in the in the draft a

(52:39):
little bit. Josh Simmons, Okay, yeah, we're going to the
Houston Texans at twenty five.

Speaker 2 (52:46):
Whispering sweet ol nothings into the microphone.

Speaker 1 (52:49):
So when you're putting these mocks together, it's tough because
you have general ideas that you think are true, and
yet when you play it out doesn't happen. I think
generally the offensive lineman will go a little earlier than
people expect. And yet that's not how our class ar
mock played out. And so that's where that's one weakness

(53:11):
I think where we could be wrong, because the Texans
would be celebrating like crazy if not only is Josh
Simmons available, but our guy Daniel Jeremiah said they are
looking at the law firm of Booker and Banks that
he thought his strongest team connection in the entire class
is them taking one of those two players. So I

(53:31):
do lean a little towards him and the Demico Ryans
connection with Tyler Booker here, and that that would be
kind of how I lean. Josh Simmons makes a lot
of sense to me on paper as well as as
a team. But I do think they're all about swarm.
They're all about the intangibles about a guy who fits in.
Josh Simmons to me is kind of the Laramie Tunsil

(53:52):
of this class, but with a Betel Attendon mixed in.

Speaker 2 (53:55):
And so well, I'll tell you where he's gonna go.
Pick pick who you want for this, Okay, I'll tell
you where he's going.

Speaker 1 (53:59):
Let's Tyler Booker you're getting annoyed with me making the picks.
Let's go Tyler Booker Guard. I'm just leaning towards DJ.
If he says that's his strongest connection, listen, I'm gonna
go with the one.

Speaker 2 (54:08):
He is the king of knowing things and sharing them
without telling you how he knows. But you just have
this this consistency with him. He just knows things.

Speaker 1 (54:17):
He knows things. Yeah, the Rams are up at twenty THO.

Speaker 2 (54:19):
They are taking Josh Simmons. If they're there, we go
because Rob Havenstein is coming off a double shoulder clean out,
and so you don't necessarily need to rush Josh Simmons
onto the field. It would be helpful if he could
play immediately, but you don't need to. And of virefully
they need to take someone to take over from me.

Speaker 1 (54:37):
I think it makes more sense for the overall health
of the NFL that actually the Texans got the swarmy
Alabama guard that makes sense, and the Rams get this
guy who doesn't need to get onto the field right away,
a guy they're willing to take a chance on.

Speaker 2 (54:51):
Keep an eye on the Rams. He already went keep
an eye on the Rams for a potential graz Abel
team also keep an eye on the obviously the trade
back potential. The Rams don't have a second round pick.
I would imagine less Need wants to trade back into
the second round, and I have tracked this pattern for years.
Sean McVay, however, much say he has over the first

(55:13):
pick that they do have, he's probably going to want
to go offensive line or skill player.

Speaker 1 (55:18):
Okay, I love that. I want to show you my
mock notes for every team, some suggestions that I did.
It's pretty straightforward. There's only one team that was left blank,
and that was just I was like, I don't need
to say anything about the Rams. I don't need to
prep for the Rams or think about the Rams. Who cares?
Jordan has got to know way more. So I left

(55:38):
that blank for you. The Ravens are up. I love
that pick for the Rams, and I think they would
love how this draft fell. I really think they would
look trait cy defensive players in general. Malachi Starks is there,
and yet I think it's obvious to me that they
would take either Samar Stewart or Walter Nolan in this scenario.

(56:00):
A Dafeoway we heard is maybe available. I think Jamar
Stewart is very much the Adafeoway of this draft class.
You look at their defensive tackles, they're they're definitely better there,
and they have long term guys. Now, do they have
a guy quite like Walter Nolan? Maybe you would say,
you know, nom de Mattabique is similar ish just as

(56:21):
a pass rushing defensive tackle. I think Shamar Stewart, based
on their depth chart, makes more sense for them. Yeah,
let's put them here, all right, let's the other thing,
the other name to watch here to bring up. Obviously,
Ronnie Stanley coming back is great, but Calvin Banks potentially
kicking inside could help them. Yes, And the way the
draft has fallen, we've gotten to the Lions. I was
thinking for them offensive linemen, if the right person fell

(56:43):
to them, edge, if the right person fell to them,
really pass rusher of the right person, and maybe wide receiver.
So maybe this is where Calvin Banks's slide stops. I
actually think that makes a lot of sense.

Speaker 2 (56:57):
Could I just throw another name out? Abuka? I think
I think it is such a fit here, cultural culture fit.
Somebody who is on again at captain's track, somebody who
just has drawn rave reviews for how much he can
do how much football he knows that to me, if
you're changing coordinators and you're trying to make sure that
this offense doesn't lose any juice, I could see them going, oh,

(57:20):
I could I could see them doing everything you're saying.
I could also see them picking this might also this
could be a Hairston team too, interesting, just depending on
you know reported my colleague Dane Brugler has been reporting
that they've done plenty of work on Hairston. So those
are the names that I would also throw out as
possible for Detroit. I like a different fit for Amika

(57:41):
Abuka better one pick later.

Speaker 1 (57:43):
So if you let me have you're gonna put a
Buka on the Commanders. We can talk about this interesting.
I just they are the one team where I think
they have to and because of the way this draft is,
will draft for need and they have maybe the biggest
need of any of these teams, which is their pass
rush need.

Speaker 2 (58:04):
And I well, I think they're going to trade back.
First of all, let me be clear on that the Commanders.
So let's pick for Lions really quick because we want
to make sure to I'll give you that one.

Speaker 1 (58:12):
I struggle with it because you kind of convinced me
into a potential a booka pick, and yet yeah let's
go Calvin Banks. Then okay, he will go off the
board to the Yes, Detroit Lions.

Speaker 2 (58:24):
Now the Commanders, to be clear, I think are going
to try to trade back. There's going to be a
lot of teams, especially if if two of the quarterbacks
go already, there's gonna be a lot of teams that
are trying to come up into that twenty ninth spot.
I think that's sneakily a really really good place to
be for Washington, who needs to rebuild entirely a young
core of players and also needs needs draft picks to

(58:46):
do that. So I actually don't think that they're gonna
be married to a particular side of the ball. I
don't think that they're gonna they need they need to
help their defense. But I think when you see them
make a run like they do with like all out
offense last season, I think that they are going to
still draft heavy into needs with defensive players. But I

(59:09):
just see Amika and Buka and everything revolves around this,
Wow Washington, and I just see him as again he
just fits with with Terry like he just he is
just a fit there.

Speaker 1 (59:20):
It's thinking long term. I love it. I stood on
the table for a couple that were off the radar.
No one is mocking this pick. So we are given
Amika Abuka to the twenty ninth pick to the to
the Commanders. She's on a ledge.

Speaker 2 (59:35):
I know. I like it. I'll take I'll take all
the grievances.

Speaker 1 (59:38):
I like it.

Speaker 2 (59:38):
And I could see they do really really need defensive help,
to be clear.

Speaker 1 (59:42):
I like them, you know, And because who is the
edge there that would have gone, we have not drafted
James Pearce. The rest of them all went Nick s Gorton.
A lot of people, including Dana Jeremiah think might end
up going in the first round. He would have been
a possibility. But you're right that Commanders, we might still
get it right as a second round pick because those teams,
I think they're going to trade back Giants and the Browns,

(01:00:04):
though you don't have to trade back far if you're
just trying to pick up like an extra fourth or
something that could be the type of pick. The Bills
are one of the toughest teams to mock, so.

Speaker 2 (01:00:13):
I want to give the Bills a safety.

Speaker 1 (01:00:15):
Okay, Malachi Starks is still sitting there, so is nick
Im and Worry Wow, neither one off the board. To me,
Starks feels more like a bill personally, just because versatility.
There are differing views on both these guys. I think
they're both a little divisive and maybe a little overrated

(01:00:38):
in terms of how much they got talked about, just
because they're at the top of kind of a bad
safety class. They could also look at cornerback. I've been
talking about that throughout, but now it would maybe for value,
the safeties are a little more interesting. If you want
to give them a safety, let's go Malachi Starks.

Speaker 2 (01:00:55):
Well, I actually I disagree. I want to give them
nick Em and Worry because of his speed and they
really need more juice back there. You know, they absolutely
need to improve the overall speed of their defensive backfield.
And he's a four to three guy. He sort of
is a like really just feel to wear, very savvy player,
and he dropped from the middle of the first warries

(01:01:17):
being projected quite a bit into the very bottom. And
that's something that Brandon Bean will.

Speaker 1 (01:01:22):
Be all over below Starks for what it's worth. On
the consensus board twenty seventh for him and Worry twenty. First,
for Starks, I think those are two guys where depending
on who you talk to and I have asked about them.
With more teams in people than other players, you get
really different opinions. There are some people that think em
and Worry have no instincts at all, that he is
going to be a multi year project and you got

(01:01:43):
to have an exact vision of how you're going to
use him. I think the Bills would be a perfect
team for that. There are some people that kind of
think that way for Starks too, that man, the bad
tape is really bad. Different opinions, but he did a lot.
He had some great highlight plays. I'm and worried a
little less on film more in terms of the traits.
Let's give him of the Bills at number thirty. The Chiefs,

(01:02:04):
I put running back question mark. I put Nick gorton
question mark. For this team, Walter Nolan is still there
and man, if you were.

Speaker 2 (01:02:14):
To get just put him.

Speaker 1 (01:02:16):
Yeah, I'm gonna put him in the first I actually
I actually would have pushed back hard. I think the
Bills would be a much would love to get another
defensive lineman because of the way they team build that
Actually I wish I had pushed back there. But we'll
give Walter Nolan to the Chiefs kind of as like
the long term successor for Chris Jones. Not that he's
gonna be that type of player, but he is in

(01:02:37):
that mold of player Chris Jones. But for now he
would be the backup or the guy next to him.
And then finally the Eagles are up on the board.
I could have seen them taking Walter Nolan as well.
The Chiefs, by the way, I think they could take
a running back there. Wouldn't totally surprise me.

Speaker 2 (01:02:53):
Nixt starting to Nick Court me why Walter Nolan now
is becoming one of your favorite Why because you just
you have a lot of intel on him. You know
some friendships that you have a lot of.

Speaker 1 (01:03:04):
I don't get any information on Eagles, although they are
a team. I think that would love to see like
just a talented guy. If anything, he seems almost too
Jaalen Jalen CARTERI, but it would be great to Jailen
Carter much. You know the poor man's the very poor.

Speaker 2 (01:03:20):
Man's Okay, which linemen slash pass rusher slash linebacker slash.

Speaker 1 (01:03:25):
The funny thing is they've all the good ones. I
feel like are are gone. I feel like they the
way that we've had it fall I almost wish we
had given the chiefs of running back and that they
would take some some people like Josh Connery a lot.
Would they take an offensive tackle here? I don't think so.

Speaker 2 (01:03:44):
No, But uh, you know, I'm looking at like Lane Johnson,
who is fantastic, had an amazing year. He is entering
the most veteran years, so you have to maybe start
thinking about that. Josh Connery would need to kick over
to the other side. But he was talking to so
one of the RAMS media people, Blaine Gresak, and Blaine

(01:04:09):
I'm sorry if I did not pronounce that correctly. He
does a lot of draft stuff this time of year,
and he actually spoke with with Josh at the Senior
Bowl and was talking about how much more comfortable he
is in a little bit more of a zone oriented
running team. So I'm looking at maybe a guy who
might take a little bit more time to develop, who
is projected lower and and even well into the second round.

(01:04:30):
Who people sit there and say, God, dang it, Howie
roseman Ariante Nursery from Minnesota.

Speaker 1 (01:04:38):
Oh Man, that would be That would be a stunner
he is.

Speaker 2 (01:04:42):
It would take some time. He needs some time. It
would take some time. He's a mass people. Yeah, I
do not like his tape at but you get him
with the best the best offensive line coach in the league.
He's got tools, he has size, You need to read,
you need to unlearn some things and relearn some things
with him. But he's got time because you got Lane
Johnson there. And I just have a hard time seeing

(01:05:02):
Howie go elsewhere than up front.

Speaker 1 (01:05:04):
Connorly would make more sense to me if he did.
And yet I still have DJ's words ringing in my
head that this is a sneaky Mason Taylor team. He
keeps putting Mason Taylor. Yeah, it's the Dallas scotter. He
always has good Eagles stuff. Now, maybe they're a second
round pick, but I kind of want to wrap with Mason.

Speaker 2 (01:05:20):
Oh, let's just put three tight ends in the first
round and what probably why not?

Speaker 1 (01:05:24):
Probably be wrong. I do feel like the other tackles
would be a stretch. And I don't think the Eagles
have reached for guys. They've they are consensus board team.
They if anyone is consensus board team, it is them.
And the way this board fell. They didn't have one
fall to them in this case, and so all right,
let's go for it. Thirty second pick Mason Taylor.

Speaker 2 (01:05:46):
He sounds so excited.

Speaker 1 (01:05:47):
Yeah, that one, That one's toff. I don't feel too strong,
I kind of you know. I'm someone that immediately after
the show is over always thinks about the different things
that they could have done. And I was like, oh,
maybe we should have given Hampton to the to the
Chiefs and then Nolan wrapping up to the Eagles. That
makes more sense to me overall, like as a combination.
We did it.

Speaker 2 (01:06:07):
We did it.

Speaker 1 (01:06:10):
Very excited for this drafts on our last show.

Speaker 2 (01:06:13):
It's in arguable obviously it's going to totally happen this way.
Everything will fall this way. I do think that you
threw a huge wrench into the matrix when you have
Shador going behind, so that obviously affects the rest of
the board dropping. And some of these teams, as we see,
would really love for that to happen, because it dropped
perfectly for them.

Speaker 1 (01:06:33):
I know. Case, I hate that Amari and Hampton didn't
get drafted here.

Speaker 2 (01:06:37):
Yes he did by the Chargers. Correct, this is quarterback
Island all over again.

Speaker 1 (01:06:43):
I love it. It's a problem. So we will be
back again on Thursday night. We're going to be live Me,
Patrick Claibahn, and Steve Wish. I'm really excited about that
before we get to the Draft, and yeah, this will
be the last show before I do want to mention
that we've had a tough week here at NFL Daily.
I think about us all as a family and Nick

(01:07:05):
Shook is such an important part of this family and
he lost his dad, Greg Shook, on April seventeenth, and
that's why Nick hasn't been on the shows lately, and
we're just thinking about him, just reading about, you know,
his dad, and hearing about his dad, Like, my goal

(01:07:25):
in life is to have my kids someday talk the
way about me that Nick has talked about his dad,
and how his best friend, his coach, he coached football, basketball, baseball,
his daughter's basketball team. Nick has three sisters and so

(01:07:46):
that they're really hurting, but just to hear the love
of like that relationship that he had. And even reading
the obituary I found of Greg Shook, they said, you know,
one of the best moments and memories of his whole
life was getting to watch the Calves win the title.
He's a huge Cleveland sports fan with his son Nick,

(01:08:07):
so so rest in peace. We should all look to
try to be the man the father that Greg Shook was.

Speaker 2 (01:08:13):
It is a testament to somebody who neither of us
know personally and that we can understand just how special
he was because of the way that Nick moves around
in this world.

Speaker 1 (01:08:25):
Right, it's amazing. You can see it every day in
the way that Nick operates. And so all the best
and our condolences to Nick and his sister's autumn Caitlin
and Brooke. We will be back. Like I said on
Draft night, I am. I'm really excited for this one.
I feel as prepped as I possibly could be. Let's

(01:08:46):
just get it there.

Speaker 2 (01:08:47):
I'll do it. What are we gonna do until this
when Greg Rosenthal is sneaking defensive tackles into the top
thirty two, you know football is back.

Speaker 1 (01:08:57):
So you gotta leave a little more time, you gotta
hit the post.

Speaker 2 (01:09:01):
Are you coaching me on this?

Speaker 1 (01:09:05):
I never heard it right at aways