April 21, 2025 • 42 mins
Hour Two of the Good Morning Football Podcast begins with the questions surrounding Shedeur Sanders and Travis Hunter. Hosts Jamie Erdahl, Kyle Brandt, Tom Pelissero, and Cody Kessler welcome NFL Exec Jeff Miller to the table to discuss the plans for Draft week and what safety concerns in the NFL are being looked at. Plus, Cody looks at the top QB prospects coming to the NFL next season.
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
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Speaker 2 (00:22):
Good Morning Football.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
That's right, this is Good Morning Football.
Speaker 4 (00:26):
Everybody welcome inside GMFB. Cody, Jamie, Tom, Kyle, Kyle. I
just want to check in with you real quick. Before
we talked to Tom. You had some time off last week,
but that doesn't mean that you didn't pop up on
our crossover event on Sports Center. I love the Seinfeld quote.
I love the T shirt. It was all working for you.
Speaker 5 (00:44):
I love that you watched Jamie. It was really fun.
I was on Sports Center. It was like a Hi Mom,
I made it. It was incredible. I was with Hannah Storm.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
We talked draft. I was actually there.
Speaker 5 (00:54):
I was kind of adjacent to the Grand Canyon in Arizona,
and I actually went there to get a camp for
the hole in the Dallas Cowboys talent right now and
their roster. So that is my comp the Grand Canyon,
and that sound leads us to what they need to
do in this draft.
Speaker 6 (01:07):
Guys.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
Let's go to Green Bay. From Sedona to Green Bay.
Speaker 4 (01:10):
Tom Pella, Sero, you're hanging out there ahead of the
twenty twenty five NFL Draft.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
There is no doubt about it. The most talked.
Speaker 4 (01:16):
About, scrutinized, debated player in this year's draft class is
Colordo quarterback Shador Sanders. Tom we are drawing closerts a Thursday.
What is the word on Shador and what teams think
of this prospect and the whole package that comes.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
With Shador Sanders.
Speaker 7 (01:33):
Let's start out with the positives on Shador Sanders. Obviously
a highly productive college player. He's very accurate, he's very tough.
He does have fans, I can tell you that within
the league. But I would point to a couple of
things for why we're not talking about Shador Sanders. Surefi
is surefire top five, top three.
Speaker 8 (01:50):
Pick on the field.
Speaker 7 (01:52):
He doesn't have what you would call an elite athletic profile,
nor does he have an elite art and based upon
his play style, which is very much extending plays and
making things happen off schedule, it's hard to play that
way if you don't have those elite skills. So just
rass questions about is he going to be able to
play on time within structure? Is he gonna be able
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to play like at Drew Brees, which is a cop
that we've heard before from people based upon his size
and his skill set getting the football out, getting it
to the right people. It's going to be a little
bit different for him coming into the NFL. The other
part of it is going to be the fact this
is a really unique evaluation for a lot of reasons
in terms of the program and the way that Schaedor
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has been brought up. There's not a lot of draft
prospects ever who have played almost exclusively for their father,
much less having a father like Deon Sanders, one of
the greatest and highest profile athletes.
Speaker 8 (02:44):
Of all time.
Speaker 7 (02:45):
Going from youth football to high school to Jackson State
to Colorado, Dion's always been there. What that's created is
an environment where in talking to coaches and scouts, there
are questions just about how much, for instance, Chador has
been held accountable if he checks to the wrong play,
if he makes a mistake. Is how much has he
been insulated from those mistakes? How much has everything been
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geared toward him, the plays that are called, and who's
coaching him. There's just not a lot of examples that
skelt are always looking for what's the comp and what's
the comparison. There is nobody that's come out of something
quite like what Shaduur Sanders has. So you talk to
a lot of people across the league, as I have,
you get different opinions about it. The interview process has
not necessarily helped Shaduur Sanders in that regard. We'll see
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as we get to draft day here exactly what happens.
We know the Giants have put in a lot of
work on him at number three. We know that the
Saints are potential fit at number nine. We know the
Steelers had him in for a visit at number twenty one.
Does he get drafted in the first round? Does he
go in the second? That's one of the biggest topics,
the biggest questions within the league.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
Tom.
Speaker 4 (03:47):
All those things are the reasons why I use the
words in your lead, which is he's scrutinized, he's debated,
he's very polarizing. Shaduar Sanders say, is Kyle, are you
comfortable with how much attention this one player has gotten
with the where he's going to go? Is he worth
in numbers of his talent and his name is recognition?
Is this that we are supposed to care this much
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about this guy?
Speaker 6 (04:09):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (04:10):
I know what You're talking about it's when I look
at Shadur now Draft week, I put him through the
Shadour Smith test, meaning what if his name was Shadur
Smith not Shador Sanders, and he went to let's just say, Missouri, is.
Speaker 3 (04:23):
This guy a top five pick?
Speaker 5 (04:24):
I don't think so. No, I don't think so at all.
All the reasons Tom just said is that he doesn't
have the elite profile, the elite arm. He doesn't have
this long series of winning in college. It's his last name,
and it's his pedigree, and it's unique, and it's people
thinking they can catch something in a bottle and try
to find a superstar. And if it was Shadoor Smith,
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we're not having this conversation right now.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
I think the comp the only comp that I've.
Speaker 5 (04:48):
Come up with in terms of not necessarily even the athlete,
just in terms of the mystery and the intrigue about
where the hell is this guy going? Is Johnny Manziel.
And I don't want to draw the comparisons between the
two because Manzel was such a disaster as a player,
but Menzel was all over the map.
Speaker 8 (05:04):
In terms of the experts.
Speaker 5 (05:06):
Mel Kuiper had him number one consensus overall Bucky Brooks
thought he would go three to Jacksonville. Daniel Jeremiah thought
he would go four to Cleveland. Sports Illustrated had him
going number one overall. He went to twenty two. He
went twenty two. And this is a guy who walks
out and splashes the money sign there.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
It is not for everybody.
Speaker 5 (05:24):
Huge faults in his game, but he's got this it
factor to him, and he's can run around and make plays.
There are a lot of similarities. So I look at
Chadur now and you look at some of these same people.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
Who do this for a living.
Speaker 5 (05:38):
Mel Kuiper has Shaduur going at nine to the Saints
or they trade up. Bucky's got him going two to Cleveland.
DJ's got him going three to New York. This is
a high, really really really high picks for a guy who,
as Tom said, is far from.
Speaker 3 (05:52):
A perfect profile.
Speaker 5 (05:53):
He has perfect pedigree, he has incredible genetics.
Speaker 8 (05:57):
He has a lot to like in.
Speaker 5 (05:58):
Terms of his toughness and his work ethic, but he
fails the Shaduur Smith test. Of course, we're kidding our
If you think Shadur Smith from Missouri would be drafted
number three, are number two you're taking a ride on
the Sanders Express. It's not for everybody, but you're gonna
see where it goes. And every single thing i'm reading
from every expert.
Speaker 8 (06:16):
I'm not seeing a lot of free fall.
Speaker 5 (06:18):
I'm not seeing twenty two like Manzel.
Speaker 3 (06:20):
All these people I trust and respect.
Speaker 5 (06:21):
Don't even have them getting out of the top five.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
That's where we're at. Do anything.
Speaker 9 (06:27):
Yeah, I went back and I watched Shador's tape again
last night.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
I did, and I really broke down the foule. Times
have you watched it? I've watched it too many times.
I've watched everybody's film too many times.
Speaker 9 (06:35):
At this point, it's when we get into draft week.
I've watched everybody's tape as many times as you can count.
So I went back and watch it again. I believe
the reason that there's no true consensus right now on
Shador Sanders is because there is a pretty significant gap
between how high his ceiling can be and how low
his floor can be. And it feels like analysts and
scouts and coaches and teams and everybody who watches football
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is torn on which way he's going to go when
he gets to the NFL. There's a lot to love
when you watch the tape of Shador Sanders, there's also
a lot of things that are very worrisome.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
Now, I do think.
Speaker 9 (07:05):
The positives outweigh the negatives, and there's a lot more
positive on tapes of the negatives.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
But there are a couple things that are caused for concern.
But let me start with the positives.
Speaker 9 (07:12):
Like Tom Ke said, very accurate passer seventy four percent
completion percentage, and that's throwing the ball four hundred and
seventy seven times last year. That is unheard of. You
have to be extremely accurate to put up those type
of numbers. Plays with a lot of confidence, very calm,
cool and collected in the pocket, does a great job
of keeping his poise, doesn't get too flustered in those
big time moments.
Speaker 8 (07:31):
Very tough.
Speaker 9 (07:32):
Took a lot of hits at Colorado, not saying that's
a positive thing, but he kept getting up and bouncing
back and making big time throws. The one thing I
do think is very important for Shador is that he
knows what it takes to turn around an organization. He
did it at Jackson State. He went to Colorado and
did the same thing. Now I know He had Travis Hunner,
his dad, other guys around him, but he was a
quarterback of that football team and he turned that program around. Now,
when you look at the negatives and the things that
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are concerning a little bit, I'm.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
Going to start with his footwork.
Speaker 9 (07:55):
He gets off schedule too many times. He does not
get to his spot in the pocket. That leads to
some of those sacks. And what I mean by that is,
if I'm dropping back and it's a seven step drop,
I need you at nine and a.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
Half year cards right down the midline.
Speaker 9 (08:05):
If you drift to the right, if you drift to
the left, if you get to ten yards ten and
a half yards, you're hurting your tackles, you're hurting your guards.
You can't do that. He does that too many times
on film. That led to some of those sacks. Now,
I know his offensive line struggled at Colorado. When you
watch the tape, you're going to see that. But he
didn't help himself. There's so many times to where he
just needs to take a profit.
Speaker 6 (08:22):
Right.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
The defense is going to win sometimes.
Speaker 9 (08:24):
Especially up front, you can't compound the problem and make
a bad play worse. He tried to do too much
and be a hero too many times, and that hurt him.
Speaker 3 (08:31):
And then that kind of.
Speaker 9 (08:31):
Led to him being a little bit of predetermined with
his throws because he wanted to get the ball out quickly.
Like I said, very accurate passer, great anticipation or a
lot of anticipatory throws, but he would predetermine. And I
go back to one of the plays against Arizona where
he's throwing a double post to the left and he
locks on one receiver, throws it no matter what the
safety makes a play on.
Speaker 8 (08:49):
The football returner.
Speaker 3 (08:50):
It's a turnover on a big time moment in that game.
Speaker 9 (08:52):
Instead of knowing, Okay, the guy's out there, let me
find my checkdown, let me throw it away, let me
move on, protect the team, and then make it next
play or make a big play on the next down.
I lean more towards this ceiling when it comes to
Shador Sanders. I agree with a lot of these Mott drafts.
Speaker 3 (09:04):
I think he's going to be a very good football player.
But I do believe he needs to go to the.
Speaker 9 (09:07):
Right system and be developed the right way more than
any other quarterback in this draft.
Speaker 7 (09:13):
Here's the other fact on this, Cody, and you're talking
about there's a development process that needs to take place
right with shod Or Sanders. You can't be sitting there
thinking he's going to step in week one, be the
starter and play at a Pro Bowl level. Well, you
have this unique situation where his father deon Sanders.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
Who listen.
Speaker 7 (09:30):
He has earned the right to say what's on his mind,
but he's also been very outspoken defending his son against
any type of criticism.
Speaker 8 (09:39):
From any corner. If you struggle early in the season, if.
Speaker 7 (09:42):
She door's playing, if he's not, if the team he's
on is struggling, Dion's going to be asked questions about
that team. He's going to be asked questions about his son.
There's going to be reports and rumors about Dion potentially
replacing whoever the head coaches of the team.
Speaker 8 (09:57):
That doesn't exist any place else.
Speaker 7 (09:59):
And as much as we can say you want to
isolate the player, he's not Johnny Manziel. He doesn't have
off the field problems. He's not a concern, he's not
a party guy. Everybody says he's all ball. He wants
to be great. But you still have these other factors
here in a building where he was allowed to take
a separate car to the games and he could pull
up and park his Bentley in front of the facility
and just walk in and everything was catered to.
Speaker 8 (10:22):
The way that he wanted it to be.
Speaker 7 (10:24):
That's just not going to be the reality in the NFL.
I think there are certain coaches who would be very
good for Shadeur Sanders. He visited again the Steelers Mike Tomlin.
We had Schaduur on the Insiders and he said how
much he got along with Mike tom because you reminded
him of his dad. If you go to some other place,
it might not work out as well. You can never
overlook the contextual things with quarterbacks, Cody, you live that firsthand.
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Where you go when you go there, who your coaches are,
what the scheme is, how much stability you have. These
are all huge factors in development. When you have somebody
who's going to need some time, like chaduur Is, it's
more important, frankly, for him to land in the right
spot that it is for him to come off the
board as quickly as possible.
Speaker 4 (11:03):
All right, let's send the needle at Colorado from the
guy that played quarterback to another guy that he would
put a lot of points on the board with in
Travis Hunter. He is the two way all the conversation,
the focus point of the NFL Draft because the fascination
is there, Kyle, with whether or not a team will
utilize him as the true two way player that he
wants to be that he is fighting so badly for.
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When we hear Travis Hunter's name on Thursday, Kyle, do
you think that we will be getting the league's first
two way player in modern history? Or do you see
this thing playing out differently with this talented athlete.
Speaker 5 (11:35):
I'm so intrigued even by the specifics of how Roger
Goodell will announce it. Does he say Travis Hunter cornerback,
wide receiver at Colorado or does he say Travis Hunter,
wide receiver, quarterback Colorado. I want to hear what he
says and in what order he says it, and I
think they'll be paid attention to that. That's how interesting
this guy is. And we've done the deep history of it.
What is the attempting to do is has not been
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done in modern times, even people like we won the Heisman,
like Charles Woodson tried it, didn't do it, even as
coach Dion did it for about eight games in nineteen
ninety six.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
It was a true two.
Speaker 5 (12:07):
Way starter, and then they scrapped it and Dion had
to stop playing baseball just to be able to pull
it off.
Speaker 3 (12:12):
And out here we are.
Speaker 5 (12:13):
I'm maintain what I've said for weeks now. As a fan,
I want to see this happen. I want to see
him play both sides, and I think the best place
he could possibly do.
Speaker 3 (12:20):
It is New England.
Speaker 5 (12:21):
I think it's the Patriots because I think you have
to have a head coach who is totally secure, is
not in any kind of job job jeopardy, is not
worried with the media, thinks who has this sort of
Parcelian hutzpah that says, screw you, I know what I'm doing.
And also who has an offensive coordinator who doesn't give
it Dan neither There's been a bround the block one
hundred times Vrabel McDaniels.
Speaker 3 (12:44):
I think that is the.
Speaker 5 (12:45):
Type of brain trust that would be able to say
we're doing this and here's how we're going to do it.
Speaker 8 (12:50):
Can they get him at four?
Speaker 3 (12:52):
I don't know.
Speaker 8 (12:52):
Would they trade up.
Speaker 3 (12:53):
Inside the top five? We've seen it.
Speaker 5 (12:55):
You're telling me the Bears are going to go up
and get Mitch Trubisky, and the Patriots can go get
Travis Hunter. That's where I want him to go. I
think he has the best shot of realizing it. That's
just my take, Cody.
Speaker 9 (13:03):
Ye know how realistic it is for Travis Hunter to
be a true two way starter every single Sunday for
eighteen weeks of a season. That is going to be
extremely difficult, especially for the longevity of his career. But
I'll tell you this right now, I'm not going to
sit here in doubt him for one second. A lot
of people said that he couldn't do it at Colorado,
he couldn't do it.
Speaker 3 (13:20):
At the college level.
Speaker 9 (13:21):
He went out there and he won a Heisman Trophy
while averaging over one hundred and ten snaps per game.
The kid puts his body on the line every single Saturday.
He's doing whatever it takes to win football games. He's
willing to be a true competitor and go out there
and help his team win games. That's the type of
guy that you want on your roster. That's the type
of guy that you want in your locker room. I've
said it before and I'll say it again. Whoever drafts.
Travis Hunter on Thursday night is getting two players for
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the price of one draft pick. He is that valuable
and he's going to immediately make your team better, potentially
on both sides of the football.
Speaker 7 (13:50):
When I was talking to head coaches at the league
meeting back in March, and I was asking everybody about this,
the idea of this and somebody being able to truly
play two ways, the number one thing that they brought
up that was going to be a hurdle that Travis
Hunter would have to get over was just the amount
of time on task. You can't be in two meetings
at once. There's very limited snaps during a practice week
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in the season. So the question then becomes, how do
you best set up Travis Hunter for success, because he's
got the opportunity to be great at full things. Him
just being pretty good, but not having the time to
be great at anything is not in anybody's best interest here.
So whatever team takes him is going to have to
have a clear plan about how they're going to do it. Again,
you have limited time in the building, limited meeting time,
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limited snaps in practice.
Speaker 3 (14:34):
Here.
Speaker 8 (14:35):
The Browns and Andrew Berry already.
Speaker 7 (14:37):
Have made very clear they think he's a receiver first,
but they also believe that he can play both ways
if in fact he lands in Cleveland, which is not
a certainty but certainly is the way that people in
the league believe that this is going to go. With
Kevin Stefanski and Jim Schwartz, everyone's gonna have to figure out.
I mean, it's not gonna be a tuggle war over
the guy.
Speaker 8 (14:55):
It can't be. Hey, I need him in this meeting. No,
you need him in that meeting.
Speaker 7 (14:58):
You've got to have a really clear vision for how
you're going to ramp him up. But I would not
be surprised at all if we see Travis Hunter by
the time his rookie season ends playing a decent amount
of both sides of the ball, because he is that rare.
Speaker 4 (15:11):
Are we going to try to file some paperwork here, Kyle,
Would you be open to it being Travis Hunter athlete
Colorado or do you need the differentiation of the positions
that unicorn no athlete. Do you need it to be
the two positions or can it just be here's the
sawesome player.
Speaker 3 (15:26):
Well, I like it.
Speaker 5 (15:27):
It sounds very on brand because as you know that
Colorado they don't do the C for captains like D
for dog or something like. It's like it's and then
they had they didn't have a pro day, they had
a showcase or something like that. So I'm sure Prime
has got some thoughts on what he should be introduced as.
Speaker 3 (15:45):
But I think listen, I'll be listening.
Speaker 5 (15:47):
Riveted to see which way Goodell says it and which
one comes first.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
How do you do that?
Speaker 10 (15:53):
Like?
Speaker 5 (15:53):
What would the official profile on the draft NFL dot
Com has cornerback first, Yes, but I feel like I
don't know. I think he's going to say wide receiver first.
It's just one of the things I'm looking for where
he goes and how does Goodell say it?
Speaker 4 (16:04):
In my draft bible that I just keep open, he
was in the quarterback tab, he was not in the
wide receiver tab. So this thing has been and I've
been tearing pages out as I find out who's going
to Creed Bay this week. We know one guy for sure.
It's Daniel Jeremiah. He's NFL Network's top draft analyst.
Speaker 3 (16:20):
He reveals his.
Speaker 4 (16:21):
Final mock draft on this of the year on Wednesday,
eight pm Eastern. He can be joined by Charles Davis
Colleen Wolf. This is a list that you need ahead
of Thursday Nights first opening round. I'm twenty twenty five
NFL Draft. It's DJ and all the work he's done.
It's coming out Wednesday night, Kyle, I'll be there.
Speaker 8 (16:39):
I cannot wait.
Speaker 6 (16:40):
Plus, I can't wait.
Speaker 5 (16:41):
For quarterbacks, quarterbacks, quarterbacks.
Speaker 3 (16:43):
You know, Cam Warren's sort of we talk a lot
of Senor Sanders.
Speaker 5 (16:47):
What about after that, Cody's going to talk about these
other guys, potential first round guys, potentially even high.
Speaker 3 (16:52):
First round guys.
Speaker 5 (16:53):
Quarterbacks, quarterbacks, quarterbacks.
Speaker 8 (16:54):
You cannot talk him enough.
Speaker 3 (16:55):
It's draft week.
Speaker 5 (16:56):
Don't go anywhere, good mon, all right? I love saying
this an old friend of the show. A lot of
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times when I say that, it's like an old player,
it's someone that came in as the draft and is
now retiring, or in this case, this is the NFL's
executive vice president overseen Player Health and Safety.
Speaker 8 (17:25):
It's Jeff Miller.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
What's up, Jeff, Kyle?
Speaker 6 (17:27):
How are you?
Speaker 3 (17:28):
Happy Draft week?
Speaker 6 (17:29):
Happy Draft week to you?
Speaker 5 (17:30):
So you and I have been talking for years, and
there's something I just learned about you that the audience
needs to know that. It's just blowing my mind.
Speaker 6 (17:37):
Jeff, you're from Wisconsin, blowing your mind? Yes, yes I am.
I am what part a little town called Mechwan, which
is just north of Milwaukee for football references, about an
hour twenty minute drive south of Green Bay.
Speaker 5 (17:48):
Okay, so an hour and twenty minute drive south of
the NFL Draft As a Wisconsin guy, How you feeling
this weekend?
Speaker 6 (17:54):
I mean, I could not be more excited.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
So cool.
Speaker 6 (17:56):
I mean, every city is able to put its own
imprint on the draft. That's been so fun. As we've
moved the draft from city to city, it was just
a matter of time before Green Bay did the same.
And the team's been amazing. And for fans out there
haven't had a chance to be in Green Bay at
lambeau Field, they're going to get a chance to see
everything that's so special unique about Green Bay, which is
obviously synonymous with the Packers.
Speaker 5 (18:16):
I just remember very well when the decision came and
it's like, it's New York, New York, New York, and
we're going to move it, and people were like, what
it's supposed to be in New York? Could you have
envisioned then when that happened, how great this has been and.
Speaker 3 (18:27):
How it's a huge part of it.
Speaker 5 (18:29):
We've been to Philly and we've been to Nashville. It's
been a massive success and I love it.
Speaker 6 (18:33):
The fans have been overwhelming. Who knew it was going
to be this large, Like shout out to the clubs
who have put it on, Shout out to our team
back in the office who have put the event together
to make it so fan friendly and give people access
to something they hadn't seen before. I mean last year
in Detroit, hundreds of thousands of people showed up Green
Bay from all over the Midwest. People are going to
be there and all of these fans who love the
Packers or who've watched the Packers that have never been
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to Lambeau are going to get a bit of the
Lambeaux experience because it's all going to be built up,
and they're going to get a feel for northern Wisconsin,
which could not be more fun, so.
Speaker 5 (19:02):
Fun things they haven't experienced before, like cheese, Kurds, spotted cow.
We will just keep running it down. I love Wisconsin.
We talked in the air off.
Speaker 6 (19:09):
What about butterburgers. You know you and I are going
to go over to Krolls in a couple of days, right.
I mean people don't even know what that is like
an experience, No.
Speaker 3 (19:17):
But they're gonna learn. You're gonna learn about cam Word.
Speaker 5 (19:19):
Schador and butter Burgers. Indeed, we always learn when you
come in, Jeff, because if you don't know, Jeff is
really on the front lines of player safety and protecting
this players as much as we possibly can in this game.
Speaker 3 (19:29):
Your group recently.
Speaker 5 (19:30):
Had results from lab testing, which is a hard left
turn from Butterburgers.
Speaker 6 (19:35):
Jeff tell us about the.
Speaker 5 (19:36):
Lab test and the different helmets and for fans watching,
what can they learn about this?
Speaker 6 (19:41):
Thank you for asking and nice job on the Seguay.
So talking about helmets, it was another great year in
development of the engineering around helmets. Shout out to the
engineers who work on this for both us and the
Players Association. And what we saw last year was in
influx of a bunch of brand new helmets, and what
we saw on field represented what happened in the lab.
So if you were wearing one of the best performing helmets,
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you were up to twenty percent twenty seven percent less
likely to get injured than somebody who's wearing an older helmet,
which is a remarkable thing. And in the context of that,
we saw last year in the league the fewest number
of concussions we've ever seen. So the big goal this
year is to take those helmets that were new last year,
seven new models this year, which also tests very well,
and move about thirty percent of the league into the
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best performing helmets to better protect them from injury, which
is a huge lift. But that's a big goal for
the season.
Speaker 5 (20:30):
I always love this because as if you're a fan,
you watch and you'll tune in on a game and
you're saying, but.
Speaker 8 (20:35):
What is that helmet that George Kittle's watching?
Speaker 5 (20:37):
And I always think fans are obsessed with aesthetics and equipments,
and this is what we're talking about here. And yet
I know there's still work to be done. You're talking
about percentages. What are the goals where we headed? How
can we get more players in the safest helmets.
Speaker 6 (20:49):
Yeah, we work really closely with the Players Association on
the testing and on the education, and if we're up
to us, we would eliminate, you know, mandate that some
helmets not be worn at all. The Players Association wants
a little bit more player choice, which is fine, but
it's worked out but we will work with the players association,
the equipment, the trainers, and increasingly, this is really interesting
part to me, the coaches who want their players in
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the best performing helmets. And we've seen that that coaches
have gone to the club and say, hey, look, guys,
here's the five best helmets.
Speaker 3 (21:15):
Choose one.
Speaker 6 (21:16):
Just choose one. The one you're wearing before isn't going
to keep you as protected and we need you on
the field. Why take a greater risk of injury? And
it is a very collaborative effort to move players into
the best place. And these players, but you know, since
your time, are more and more educated about the engineering.
They ask more questions, they get into it. They want
to know what's newest from their manufacturer, what new device,
what new shape, what new form is possible, And so
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they're involved in the process too, and credit to them change.
Changing your helmet's not an easy thing to do, and
we ask a lot of them.
Speaker 5 (21:44):
I remember talking to Kittle at the Pro Bowl and
I was like, hey, what's with the new helmets?
Speaker 3 (21:47):
I love it. I love it.
Speaker 6 (21:48):
I'll never wear anything else. He's absolutely way into.
Speaker 5 (21:51):
It, the comfort and all the protection and everything. And
I think the players are starting to embrace it more.
It's compelling when the head coach says, here's the five helmets,
pick one.
Speaker 6 (21:58):
No question not to mention the fact that more and
more of these helmets are positions specific. So if you're
an offensive line, that helmet is built to represent the
impacts that you experience play by play, game by game.
If you're a quarterback, similarly, so you know what those
impacts are, the magnitude, the frequency of those impacts, and
that piece of equipment is offering you more protection than
your random helmet off the shelf, so why not use it?
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And more and more players are moving into those.
Speaker 5 (22:22):
Can you envision reality, We're a head coach, someone who's
maybe doesn't give a damn about conventions, like Jim Harbaugh
could mandate.
Speaker 6 (22:28):
It, well, mandate that. Now we're getting into legal territory. Sure, right,
but can't heavily suggest they certainly have a lot of influence, right,
And we've seen that on team by team, like there
are certain teams that have more and more players and
the best performing helmets and other teams that don't. And
the difference to me is both the equipment manager who's
really good as well as the head coach saying, guys,
it's time to move into this thing.
Speaker 5 (22:47):
Well, if we're going to talk safety, we're going to
talk kickoffs and ditchbacks, all right, bring us up to speed.
Going into the twenty twenty five season, people are confused
their opinion. They're passionate about kickoffs and touchbacks.
Speaker 6 (22:57):
Where are we and how do you feel? Who knew
that we would be debating the kickoff this much, this long?
Speaker 3 (23:02):
It's great?
Speaker 6 (23:02):
Okay, So here's the foundation part of a college. Remember
the injury rate on the kickoff previous to last year
somewhere between two and four times a play from scrimmage. Okay,
a lot concussions double. So over the course of years,
special teams, coaches were working in different formations. Coaches were
debating it, the league was debating it, talking to the
players about it, on and on and on. We made
the big move last year to the dynamic kickoff. The
results about fifty seven percent more kicks returned, and the
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injury rate actually decreased despite the fact they were more
kicks return which is great, and the concussions were at
their lowest level in years. So it performed exactly as
we have modeled. Its great news. So yet only about
one in three kicks were returned. We want that number
to be higher. So we're moving the touch back to
the thirty five from the thirty. The idea of there
being that a lot more teams will now kick the
ball in the landing zone because there's a pretty good
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penalty if you don't, so more teams will bring it back.
So you're going to see more kicks return Hopefully you'll
see a few more interesting plays and we saw last
year and hopefully we'll build on it. More touchdowns, more
long returns, more exciting plays. I love hearing that it's
all good news. I love the statistics.
Speaker 5 (23:59):
I also I was interested in you. You've done this
for years, We've talked about it for years. Take us
to back, Jeff and look forward five years from now.
What would you like to see?
Speaker 3 (24:08):
What is a goal?
Speaker 6 (24:09):
Everything that we do is about reducing the number of
injuries and number of players lose games. We need to
see more improvement in helmets. We want to see cleats
and surfaces, which is a big focus of ours. Our
friends at Nike are working with us on this now.
The turf manufacturers are starting to get the same information
from us that the helmet manufacturers got years ago, see
better services shoulder pads. Unfortunately, this year we saw an
increase in shoulder injuries. I don't know if it's the pads.
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I don't know if it's the lack of pads. A
lot of our players aren't wearing what they once did.
Just look at NFL films from twenty years ago and
you can see a difference. We need to look at
all that, and I think we can save more injuries
for the players. We can keep them on field longer,
and I think that that will always be a priority
for the NFL.
Speaker 5 (24:44):
Growing up in Wisconsin, your favorite Packers memory, what do
you got?
Speaker 6 (24:47):
Well, you have to go with far Super Bowl? Oh yeah,
ninety in New Orleans. Oh my gosh, yeah no. I
flew with my brother to Houston and drove to New
Orleans because the only way we could get there, and
slept on a friend's floor in a hotel so that
we can see the Packers. But since then, just you know,
and for everybody watching the NFL, I rooted for all
thirty two. Of coursely as your fandom when you come
mark at the league. But when I was just a kid,
finding the Packers and ringing for the Packers in the
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Super Bowl was Highland.
Speaker 5 (25:10):
Road trip to New Orleans, sleeping on the floor. It
wasn't always about safety with this guy. As Jeff Miller,
you get frustrated when players get injured. You don't want
them off of your fantasy team. They're doing everything they
possibly can to keep them healthy, and this guy is
at the front of that.
Speaker 6 (25:22):
It's always great to see him. Thanks Tom.
Speaker 3 (25:24):
Let's enjoy the draft.
Speaker 5 (25:25):
We'll be right back with Good Morning Football right after this.
Speaker 6 (25:27):
Stay safe, everybody.
Speaker 11 (25:29):
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Speaker 10 (25:49):
Obviously, the expectations that he's had, you know, throughout his
college career and then taking Colorado to New Heights like.
Speaker 6 (25:55):
That, you know that's not easy.
Speaker 10 (25:57):
The knock is a little bit of the arm strength,
and then you know, holding the ball took a lot
of sacks. With my experience of playing like if I
can show my guys you know that I can get
hit and then keep going, that just shows a lot
about you know, your leadership and just being able to
learn to get the ball out play within the timing
of the offense and concepts. So I think those are
things that he has and will continue to learn.
Speaker 6 (26:17):
And development, no doubt.
Speaker 11 (26:20):
They also teased each other on the scouting report that
Daniel Jeremiah had on Rock Pretty coming out of Iowa.
Speaker 6 (26:26):
State a couple of years ago. Pretty funny stuff.
Speaker 8 (26:28):
More, I'm pretty Now.
Speaker 11 (26:29):
As the forty nine ers are working on a long
term deal for the quarterback, how much he'll get paid,
it's been a hot topic of discussion even amongst his rivals.
Speaker 8 (26:38):
Rams receiver Puka Nakua appeared on.
Speaker 11 (26:40):
Julian Edelman's Games with Names podcasts and shared his thoughts
on the topic.
Speaker 3 (26:45):
Rock Perty.
Speaker 6 (26:46):
Is he gonna get a five? I don't think so.
Speaker 8 (26:48):
Do you think he's gonna go with a four? It's
gonna start with a four?
Speaker 6 (26:51):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (26:52):
High four?
Speaker 8 (26:53):
No, I think mid for forty five.
Speaker 6 (26:56):
I think so.
Speaker 9 (26:56):
I mean, I think if he does that, that'd be
smart for him and them.
Speaker 6 (27:00):
Yeah, I mean I think he's he seems like a
smart guy.
Speaker 8 (27:02):
I think he like there's still they have a chance
to still.
Speaker 6 (27:05):
Be in their window.
Speaker 7 (27:06):
And I think if he goes for a five, the
window closes, right.
Speaker 11 (27:11):
Ooka putting his GM pat on another quarterback news Washington's
Jaden Daniels coming off winning Offensive Rookie of the Year award,
but he's not resting on his Laurels, Daniels saying on
Gruden goes long, it's a whole new year and he
has to prove himself to his teammates and the organization
that he is getting better. And the Browns could be
in the market for a quarterback in this week's draft.
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How about Alabama's Jalen Milroe. When asked specifically about Milroe
and his pre draft press conference, Cleveland general manager Andrew
Berry calling Milroe a rare physical.
Speaker 8 (27:43):
Talent and maybe listen to this.
Speaker 11 (27:46):
The only quarterback who's faster than Lamar Jackson Jamie Cody.
Speaker 8 (27:52):
When I heard that, my ears certainly perked up.
Speaker 11 (27:55):
I can't imagine a quarterback in today's NFL being faster
than Lamar Jackson.
Speaker 4 (27:59):
Omark who's producing this show, You just had like three
juicy topics that now I have to talk to everybody
about at the table, and you just kept them to
yourself with your own little segment. I got to talk
about Pookinako having a take on brock Party's contract, Daniel
Jeremia and brock Party driving around Sofi Stadium.
Speaker 3 (28:15):
How did the forty nine ers feel about that?
Speaker 4 (28:16):
Omar Really great stuff. But let's stick with that final topic,
stay on task. It's the fact that Andrew Berry has
a decision to make and whether or not that includes
Jalen Milroe at least Cody Kessler. We've heard that he
loves the Alabama quarterback. What do you think about the
roletide QB.
Speaker 3 (28:32):
Yeah, I'm not going.
Speaker 9 (28:33):
To go on record and say that I think he's
faster than Lamar Jackson, because Lamar Jackson is a very
rare talent. But I do believe that Jalen Merrow is
the most athletic player in this draft at the quarterback spot.
He's probably one of the most athletic players in this
entire draft period, regardless of position. Dangerous with the ball
in his hands. One of those guys in that second tier. Right,
We've talked a lot about cam Ward, talked a lot
about Shador Sanders rightfully so those are two very talented quarterbacks.
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But that second wave of guys where I believe Milroe
falls into is very intriguing. I don't think this will
be a top heavy draft for quarterback obviously, but it's
going to ramp up and become a frenzy when we
get to that second to fifth round, and I think
Milroe falls in that category.
Speaker 4 (29:10):
Cody Kessler, us C quarterback handful of years in the NFL.
You have other thoughts on the quarterbacks that you're going
to get to here on GMFB.
Speaker 9 (29:16):
I don't. I don't want to get too much away.
Talk some about them already on the show. We also
talked a little bit about them when I came on for.
Speaker 3 (29:22):
The free combine the draft of all those things.
Speaker 9 (29:25):
Going on, but I got a little bit more on
these guys and they developed had some pro days, which
I think these guys improved as well. Jackson dark Quinn yours, Jaln.
Milroe is in that category. But I'm really excited to
break these guys down.
Speaker 4 (29:35):
Only talking about guys that had pro days, not showcases.
Very different thing when it goes to Colorado, Let's first
first round potential sleepers for quarterbacks Putty Cusser.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
Next, Good Morning Football.
Speaker 4 (29:59):
A quarterback who's seen it all through his college career
is Quinn Yours. It's been quite the journey for the
Texas quarterback of take a look and then let's talk
about it.
Speaker 12 (30:14):
From high school, I rocked a mullet and it decided
to kind of have a mind of its own and
kind of blew up a little bit.
Speaker 6 (30:21):
Kept it for my.
Speaker 12 (30:21):
First two years in college. It was fun, well lasted,
but it was hard to take care of it. Towards
the end. There it's time to get rid of it,
you know. You cut the hair, all the bad habits
go with it.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
That's about as good as he's looked.
Speaker 6 (30:32):
Gid's a faller.
Speaker 8 (30:34):
When you were as quarterback Texas Hookhm, you was what
being players to down?
Speaker 3 (30:40):
Why you com bakdown?
Speaker 12 (30:45):
I had nine scholarship offers before I started a game
in high school for the varsity team. I got my
first scholarship offer from North Texas going into seventh grade.
I'm at a summer camp trying to just get better,
you know, get coached by some of the college quarterback coaches.
Came up to me after the camp and we're talking
to me, you know, asking how old I was, And
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it was funny because they asked me if I had
a Twitter, and I told them I didn't even have
a phone yet. I ended up being the number one
player coming out of high school going into the college.
Speaker 6 (31:13):
Now yours a downfield shot.
Speaker 8 (31:15):
He just dropped it, hit a bucket.
Speaker 12 (31:17):
I would describe my style as controlled aggression. Our system
at Texas was built around making the quarterback successful, and
then my job was just to get the ball in
the playmaker's hands, so taking the shots when they're there
and setting up their shots with other players.
Speaker 11 (31:30):
Queen Yours lays it over top of the safety for
a score.
Speaker 12 (31:34):
My resiliency is unluck no other. My mental toughness go
along with it, and just my poison composure and big
moments I think sets me apart.
Speaker 5 (31:42):
And now he's gonna run it in a selling and
Queen Yours goes in for the rushing touchdown.
Speaker 12 (31:49):
Draft Knight is just going to be a lot of emotion,
a lot of happiness is gonna be around my family,
some of my loved one, some friends. Just to be
able to experience all that together, I think it's going
to be super important because I'm a.
Speaker 3 (32:00):
Big relationship guy.
Speaker 6 (32:02):
I love having relationships with.
Speaker 12 (32:03):
My loved one, you know, just have an amazing support group,
and for them to be there with me and experiencing
that with me, I think that we're obviously gonna remember
that for.
Speaker 3 (32:11):
A life time. I think the Mullet plays queen yours.
Speaker 4 (32:16):
I think if you brought it back, everybody would be
okay with it. But that's a decision that you get
to make. Other football gms are making decisions about Quinn
You ers this week, Cody Kessler, what do you think
about the quarterback?
Speaker 6 (32:27):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (32:27):
I like Quinn Ears.
Speaker 9 (32:28):
When he's playing in rhythm, when he's playing with confidence,
he is as good of a passer in this draft
as any other quarterback. I truly believe that he's shown
that over his career. He got his first off when
he's in seventh grade. Obviously he's always had the talent.
The problem is a year ago he lost some of
that confidence. Now I know, he dealt with an injury,
then he dealt with a quarterback controversy when he came back,
and there were times when he was struggling. And you
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hear that, right, you try to block it out. You
don't look at Twitter, you don't look at social media.
But when your fan base starts wanting another quarterback to
play who showed some flashes, when you start struggling, it
gets in your head and that becomes a problem.
Speaker 3 (32:59):
If Queen Yours can get back.
Speaker 9 (33:01):
To playing at a fast paced throwing on the run
right here like he did against Michigan, playing with confidence
and poise, I think he can be a very good
quarterback at the next level. Now, look, I don't think
he's going to be a first round pick, but I
do believe he can have a lot of value in
that second round, maybe even third or fourth round, to
where he can be a solid backup and then develop
and do a starter potentially in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (33:19):
I don't think he did himself a ton of.
Speaker 9 (33:21):
Favors throughout this draft process, at the combine and at
Pro Day, but I also don't think he hurt himself, right.
I think he stayed right about in the same spot.
A lot of people had a perception of him going
into this pre draft process. I think he proved that
throughout this entire time. But overall, I'm a big fan
of Quinn Yours and I think if he can continue.
Speaker 3 (33:37):
To develop, he can be a big player in the NFL.
Speaker 7 (33:39):
Concerned with quinn Ewers and talking to coaches and scouts
is mainly he's not the biggest guy, doesn't have a
lead trades.
Speaker 3 (33:44):
He's been hurt and missed a.
Speaker 7 (33:45):
Little bit of time every year going back to high school.
But there's one quarterback in this draft who would to
consecutive college football playoffs. Was eleven to one on the
road as a starter and joined Joel Burrow. Was the
only quarterbacks to beat Nick Saban at Alabama in like
the last eight years. It wasn't Camp Warre, wasn't Shor Sanders,
it was quinn Ewers. That's gonna be a really interesting
one to exactly where he lands. Tell me about Jackson
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Dart Cody a guy who plays in a very quarterback
friendly offense there for Lane Kiffin and does have a
chance to be a first rounder.
Speaker 3 (34:13):
Yeah, I really like Dart.
Speaker 9 (34:15):
I've been torn on who that second quarterback was throughout
this entire process. Now I believe that cam Ward is won,
then there's a gap. I believe Shador Sanders is too,
and then there's a smaller gap, and I have Jackson
Dart just behind Shador Sanders.
Speaker 3 (34:27):
I really liked his game solid arm I.
Speaker 9 (34:29):
Played for Lane Kipman, so I know the type of
coaching that he is receiving.
Speaker 3 (34:32):
It's going to translate well to the NFL. Very good.
Speaker 9 (34:35):
I push him the football down the field. He led
college football last year fifteen hundred yards seventeen touchdowns when
throwing the ball.
Speaker 3 (34:41):
Twenty plus yards down the field.
Speaker 9 (34:43):
He opposite of Quinn Ewers, in my opinion, really had
a great pre draft process, kind of like bow Knicks
did a year ago.
Speaker 3 (34:50):
We saw him a sin to where bow Knicks is
in that.
Speaker 9 (34:53):
Top fifty range, right top forty five range. There was
concern about his age and being in college for a long.
Speaker 3 (34:57):
Time, but then he went out and crushed the combine.
Speaker 9 (34:59):
He did a great job at his pro day, really
took advantage of those individual workouts, those private work we
heard Sean Payton talk about. That's where they were sold
on boat Nix. I wish we could learn more about
those private workouts with Jackson Dart and the teams that
he's worked with.
Speaker 3 (35:11):
But again, Dart, for me.
Speaker 9 (35:13):
Is a guy that I think could sneak into the
first round. I've seen him going as high as the
top five. I've seen him going in the middle of
the second round. You can convince me with either of those, right.
I really like his play style. I think he's going
to transition well to the NFL. I know all the
talk is Nan cam Warden schaendor Sanders, but you can't
forget about Jackson Dart.
Speaker 5 (35:29):
Let's talk Jalen Milro though Alabama, we know a lot
of him. Is incredible athlete. We had him on the
show and he was so compelling, so smart, so sharp,
so fun, incredible personality.
Speaker 6 (35:38):
We all really really liked him.
Speaker 5 (35:39):
Also, he raised some eyebrows when the news came out
that he'd be attending the draft, which he talked about.
He's going to be there in Green Bay, sitting there
in the green room, and no one knows if he's
going to get picked, and we always hate to see
those guys just sit there and sit there and then
lee without being picked. Maybe he's getting some questionable advice,
or maybe he knows something that we don't know. But
the word is he's going to be there.
Speaker 3 (36:00):
What do you think, Cody, Yeah, I don't know how
to read into that. Kyle.
Speaker 9 (36:03):
When I heard that news, I was a little surprised
because I didn't have Jalen Milroe with the first round grade.
Speaker 3 (36:08):
But again read into it. However, you like the fact
that he got invited there.
Speaker 9 (36:11):
It tells you something. That has to mean something. It
does carry weight. Now is he going to be a
first round pick? I guess we'll have to wait and see.
But when I look at Jalen Milroe, he is the
most intriguing player to me in this draft at the
quarterback position. He is very dangerous on the ground. We
just heard Omar talk about being faster Lamar Jackson don't
know about that. But the way that he runs the football,
I think he's a little more physical as a runner
and he can create on the ground. He has a
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NFL level arm talent. He really doesn't. He throws a
pretty football. The problem is it's just not consistent enough.
He'll watch his tape, you can go back and check
out the film. He'll have two to three throws to
where you say, Okay, this is a Sunday.
Speaker 3 (36:43):
Type of throw. This is an NFL level throw.
Speaker 9 (36:45):
And then I'll have two to three throws to where
he misses a guy wide open because his footwear gets off.
Speaker 3 (36:49):
He loses his accuracy.
Speaker 9 (36:50):
He's got to become more consistent as a pocket passer
if he wants to be a true starter in the NFL.
But all the intangibles are there now with Milroe. Something
that showed me a lot of promise was that we
got to the combine and one of the things that
was an issue with him, like I mentioned, was accuracy.
Speaker 3 (37:05):
He missed majority of his throws high.
Speaker 9 (37:07):
What that tells me is that he was not getting
comfortable at the top of his drop. His footwork was off,
he was leaving his left shoulder high, he wasn't finishing
his throat right. When you're a quarterback and you're missing high,
I need you to pull down an extent right. If
you're leaving it up here, you're going to miss a
lot of throws high. Go watch the tape from the
comment that's exactly what he did. Then you go to
the pro day.
Speaker 3 (37:23):
He fixed that.
Speaker 9 (37:24):
Those are small mechanical issues that if you don't fix,
they'll continue to linger. But if you address them, that
tells me as a coach that you can improve and
you can take coaching.
Speaker 3 (37:31):
He fixed that.
Speaker 9 (37:32):
His pro day was phenomenal. He looked very comfortable and
his drop back, especially under center, had some play action,
was very accurate. Didn't miss a lot of throws high.
He is a very intriguing prospect. Like I said, Kyle,
the draft invite, I don't know how to look into that.
Speaker 3 (37:44):
I don't know what that means.
Speaker 9 (37:45):
It does carry some weight, but overall I wouldn't be
surprised if jayaln merroll hops into that first round, but
I see him as potentially a Day two pick.
Speaker 4 (37:52):
Well, let me admit something. So it'll be my first
NFL draft to attend. I'll be in Green Bay and
I will be on the stage with the first round
draft picks. Anyone that is left over, Tom Pellizero from
the first round, who might be a second round guy,
I stay in Green Bay and interview that person, that athlete.
They get their moment on the stage. So if Jalen
Milroe is the one or two players left over, he's
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getting his interview up there. So the conversation is happening regardless.
Jalen Milroe, fascinating, intriguing, Tom, whatever adjective you want to use.
The future, is someone's going to pick him? And what
are you hearing in terms of what team might take him,
where he might go and.
Speaker 3 (38:28):
Why is he going to Green Bay?
Speaker 7 (38:29):
The eye opening thing that several, not one, several coaches
and scouts told me as I was making calls. But
all these quarterbacks is Jalen Milroe is the greatest runner
of the football they've ever evaluated at the quarterback position,
not Lamar Jackson. Jalen Milroe is the best runner that
they've ever seen.
Speaker 8 (38:49):
Cody Sidek.
Speaker 7 (38:49):
He's got a big arm, and he actually has some
accuracy down the field. But it's the consistency of that
accuracy that's going to lead to some concerns. We just
watched Jalen Hurts win a super Bowl. He was a
late second round pick. If you redrafted the twenty twenty draft,
probably make a case maybe Jalen Hurts should have come
off the board at the bottom of round one. But
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you got to have a really clear vision for what
you're going to do with Jalen Hurts.
Speaker 8 (39:15):
He may need to be on.
Speaker 7 (39:16):
The field in different capacities like Lamar Jackson was his
first year until Joe Flackell got hurt and Lamar took over.
This is going to be one of the unique stories
in this draft. Certainly there is a possibility, Jamie, that
somebody falls in love with the player and the person
believes they can harness it. But this is a long
term type of a project that you're going to have
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with Jaln Milroe. Everyone's going to have to decide what
the value is that when it comes to the draft night, Tom.
Speaker 4 (39:41):
I'm not going to lie to you. It's a little
triggering when you say best runner of the football at
the quarterback position, Kyle, is that not insane for you
to hear?
Speaker 5 (39:49):
It's incredible? I mean, listen, Lamar's the name that jumps out.
But remember Lamar's draft process was very unconventional, didn't run
a forty. Oh, there was a lot of mystery around him.
Jalen Millrose right there, he's doing every show. He blazed
this forty. He's got all the tape, and it's like,
I think if.
Speaker 8 (40:04):
Some like Anthony Richardson, who.
Speaker 5 (40:06):
He had that label project project, very inexperienced, didn't start
a lot of games, but oh my god, you see
him do that backflip.
Speaker 6 (40:12):
He goes fourth overall. I mean fourth overall.
Speaker 5 (40:15):
So I just come back to it, and I have
to be candid about this. I hated here in the
Jaylen Milro was attending the draft.
Speaker 3 (40:21):
I get nervous.
Speaker 5 (40:23):
I don't like seeing those kids sit there and sit
there and then go home and not get drafted.
Speaker 6 (40:28):
I think it's humiliating.
Speaker 5 (40:29):
And I think that we see it for years, and
we saw it with you name it, Will Levis, Gino Smith, on.
Speaker 3 (40:34):
And on and on, and they leave with their family.
I guess I don't have a team.
Speaker 8 (40:37):
I don't like.
Speaker 5 (40:37):
It makes me nervous, like as a parent almost, so
I hope that there is some insight. And what Tom
is saying is very interesting that someone may try to
hit a home run with this and that we're going
to look at his ability and that headline that Tom
just said, and it is a headline the best runner
of the football as a quarterback that these people have
ever evaluated, not won several That to me says like,
I'm going to take a shot on this guy in
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the first round, even if I have to trade in
to do it.
Speaker 9 (41:00):
Two things, real quick, Tom p I agree, And I
think that's the most important thing is that it only
takes one team to fall in love with the guy
to go take him in the first round and make
them their pick.
Speaker 3 (41:09):
The second thing, Kyle, you gave me flashbacks.
Speaker 9 (41:11):
I was nervous because ESPN reached out to me and
they wanted to attend my house with a camera to
film me. Because I was somewhere in the second to
fourth round. I said, no way, if I don't go
in the second round, or if I don't go in
the third round, if I don't go day two, I
don't want to be one of those guys where the
camera's on me and everyone's sitting there and looking like
a SOB story and we're sad. I couldn't imagine going
in person and that not happening.
Speaker 3 (41:30):
I know what's happened before.
Speaker 9 (41:31):
But you gave me some flashbacks right there, Kyle, because
they actually said, we want to come set up production
in your house, so when you get drafted, the camera
crew will be there. Said what if I don't get drafted,
the camera crew's going to be sitting there.
Speaker 3 (41:40):
Anyways, and now everyone's going to look sad. So that
was a little flashback there.
Speaker 4 (41:44):
For give us if sometimes I don't come across as
crazy impressed with the Travis Hunter two way star conversation
because Tom Pellasaro is pulling GMFP in the morning from
Green Bay and he's got insiders, like twenty hours later
from green Bay, Tom do you go back to the
hotel or do you just stay in that seat and
make phone calls about draft decisions?
Speaker 8 (42:02):
Got about nine hours here.
Speaker 7 (42:04):
Pop across the street to grab a butterburger at Crolls West, which,
if you're wondering, is exactly what it sounds like.
Speaker 8 (42:10):
Hamburger, big slab of butter in the middle.
Speaker 4 (42:12):
Let's go, Tom pellisera butterburger and spotted count.
Speaker 3 (42:15):
We love you, Cream Bay. We'll see you there in
a couple of days.
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Speaker 2 (00:22):
Good Morning Football.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
That's right, this is Good Morning Football.
Speaker 4 (00:26):
Everybody welcome inside GMFB. Cody, Jamie, Tom, Kyle, Kyle. I
just want to check in with you real quick. Before
we talked to Tom. You had some time off last week,
but that doesn't mean that you didn't pop up on
our crossover event on Sports Center. I love the Seinfeld quote.
I love the T shirt. It was all working for you.
Speaker 5 (00:44):
I love that you watched Jamie. It was really fun.
I was on Sports Center. It was like a Hi Mom,
I made it. It was incredible. I was with Hannah Storm.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
We talked draft. I was actually there.
Speaker 5 (00:54):
I was kind of adjacent to the Grand Canyon in Arizona,
and I actually went there to get a camp for
the hole in the Dallas Cowboys talent right now and
their roster. So that is my comp the Grand Canyon,
and that sound leads us to what they need to
do in this draft.
Speaker 6 (01:07):
Guys.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
Let's go to Green Bay. From Sedona to Green Bay.
Speaker 4 (01:10):
Tom Pella, Sero, you're hanging out there ahead of the
twenty twenty five NFL Draft.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
There is no doubt about it. The most talked.
Speaker 4 (01:16):
About, scrutinized, debated player in this year's draft class is
Colordo quarterback Shador Sanders. Tom we are drawing closerts a Thursday.
What is the word on Shador and what teams think
of this prospect and the whole package that comes.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
With Shador Sanders.
Speaker 7 (01:33):
Let's start out with the positives on Shador Sanders. Obviously
a highly productive college player. He's very accurate, he's very tough.
He does have fans, I can tell you that within
the league. But I would point to a couple of
things for why we're not talking about Shador Sanders. Surefi
is surefire top five, top three.
Speaker 8 (01:50):
Pick on the field.
Speaker 7 (01:52):
He doesn't have what you would call an elite athletic profile,
nor does he have an elite art and based upon
his play style, which is very much extending plays and
making things happen off schedule, it's hard to play that
way if you don't have those elite skills. So just
rass questions about is he going to be able to
play on time within structure? Is he gonna be able
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to play like at Drew Brees, which is a cop
that we've heard before from people based upon his size
and his skill set getting the football out, getting it
to the right people. It's going to be a little
bit different for him coming into the NFL. The other
part of it is going to be the fact this
is a really unique evaluation for a lot of reasons
in terms of the program and the way that Schaedor
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has been brought up. There's not a lot of draft
prospects ever who have played almost exclusively for their father,
much less having a father like Deon Sanders, one of
the greatest and highest profile athletes.
Speaker 8 (02:44):
Of all time.
Speaker 7 (02:45):
Going from youth football to high school to Jackson State
to Colorado, Dion's always been there. What that's created is
an environment where in talking to coaches and scouts, there
are questions just about how much, for instance, Chador has
been held accountable if he checks to the wrong play,
if he makes a mistake. Is how much has he
been insulated from those mistakes? How much has everything been
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geared toward him, the plays that are called, and who's
coaching him. There's just not a lot of examples that
skelt are always looking for what's the comp and what's
the comparison. There is nobody that's come out of something
quite like what Shaduur Sanders has. So you talk to
a lot of people across the league, as I have,
you get different opinions about it. The interview process has
not necessarily helped Shaduur Sanders in that regard. We'll see
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as we get to draft day here exactly what happens.
We know the Giants have put in a lot of
work on him at number three. We know that the
Saints are potential fit at number nine. We know the
Steelers had him in for a visit at number twenty one.
Does he get drafted in the first round? Does he
go in the second? That's one of the biggest topics,
the biggest questions within the league.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
Tom.
Speaker 4 (03:47):
All those things are the reasons why I use the
words in your lead, which is he's scrutinized, he's debated,
he's very polarizing. Shaduar Sanders say, is Kyle, are you
comfortable with how much attention this one player has gotten
with the where he's going to go? Is he worth
in numbers of his talent and his name is recognition?
Is this that we are supposed to care this much
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about this guy?
Speaker 6 (04:09):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (04:10):
I know what You're talking about it's when I look
at Shadur now Draft week, I put him through the
Shadour Smith test, meaning what if his name was Shadur
Smith not Shador Sanders, and he went to let's just say, Missouri, is.
Speaker 3 (04:23):
This guy a top five pick?
Speaker 5 (04:24):
I don't think so. No, I don't think so at all.
All the reasons Tom just said is that he doesn't
have the elite profile, the elite arm. He doesn't have
this long series of winning in college. It's his last name,
and it's his pedigree, and it's unique, and it's people
thinking they can catch something in a bottle and try
to find a superstar. And if it was Shadoor Smith,
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we're not having this conversation right now.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
I think the comp the only comp that I've.
Speaker 5 (04:48):
Come up with in terms of not necessarily even the athlete,
just in terms of the mystery and the intrigue about
where the hell is this guy going? Is Johnny Manziel.
And I don't want to draw the comparisons between the
two because Manzel was such a disaster as a player,
but Menzel was all over the map.
Speaker 8 (05:04):
In terms of the experts.
Speaker 5 (05:06):
Mel Kuiper had him number one consensus overall Bucky Brooks
thought he would go three to Jacksonville. Daniel Jeremiah thought
he would go four to Cleveland. Sports Illustrated had him
going number one overall. He went to twenty two. He
went twenty two. And this is a guy who walks
out and splashes the money sign there.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
It is not for everybody.
Speaker 5 (05:24):
Huge faults in his game, but he's got this it
factor to him, and he's can run around and make plays.
There are a lot of similarities. So I look at
Chadur now and you look at some of these same people.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
Who do this for a living.
Speaker 5 (05:38):
Mel Kuiper has Shaduur going at nine to the Saints
or they trade up. Bucky's got him going two to Cleveland.
DJ's got him going three to New York. This is
a high, really really really high picks for a guy who,
as Tom said, is far from.
Speaker 3 (05:52):
A perfect profile.
Speaker 5 (05:53):
He has perfect pedigree, he has incredible genetics.
Speaker 8 (05:57):
He has a lot to like in.
Speaker 5 (05:58):
Terms of his toughness and his work ethic, but he
fails the Shaduur Smith test. Of course, we're kidding our
If you think Shadur Smith from Missouri would be drafted
number three, are number two you're taking a ride on
the Sanders Express. It's not for everybody, but you're gonna
see where it goes. And every single thing i'm reading
from every expert.
Speaker 8 (06:16):
I'm not seeing a lot of free fall.
Speaker 5 (06:18):
I'm not seeing twenty two like Manzel.
Speaker 3 (06:20):
All these people I trust and respect.
Speaker 5 (06:21):
Don't even have them getting out of the top five.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
That's where we're at. Do anything.
Speaker 9 (06:27):
Yeah, I went back and I watched Shador's tape again
last night.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
I did, and I really broke down the foule. Times
have you watched it? I've watched it too many times.
I've watched everybody's film too many times.
Speaker 9 (06:35):
At this point, it's when we get into draft week.
I've watched everybody's tape as many times as you can count.
So I went back and watch it again. I believe
the reason that there's no true consensus right now on
Shador Sanders is because there is a pretty significant gap
between how high his ceiling can be and how low
his floor can be. And it feels like analysts and
scouts and coaches and teams and everybody who watches football
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is torn on which way he's going to go when
he gets to the NFL. There's a lot to love
when you watch the tape of Shador Sanders, there's also
a lot of things that are very worrisome.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
Now, I do think.
Speaker 9 (07:05):
The positives outweigh the negatives, and there's a lot more
positive on tapes of the negatives.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
But there are a couple things that are caused for concern.
But let me start with the positives.
Speaker 9 (07:12):
Like Tom Ke said, very accurate passer seventy four percent
completion percentage, and that's throwing the ball four hundred and
seventy seven times last year. That is unheard of. You
have to be extremely accurate to put up those type
of numbers. Plays with a lot of confidence, very calm,
cool and collected in the pocket, does a great job
of keeping his poise, doesn't get too flustered in those
big time moments.
Speaker 8 (07:31):
Very tough.
Speaker 9 (07:32):
Took a lot of hits at Colorado, not saying that's
a positive thing, but he kept getting up and bouncing
back and making big time throws. The one thing I
do think is very important for Shador is that he
knows what it takes to turn around an organization. He
did it at Jackson State. He went to Colorado and
did the same thing. Now I know He had Travis Hunner,
his dad, other guys around him, but he was a
quarterback of that football team and he turned that program around. Now,
when you look at the negatives and the things that
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are concerning a little bit, I'm.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
Going to start with his footwork.
Speaker 9 (07:55):
He gets off schedule too many times. He does not
get to his spot in the pocket. That leads to
some of those sacks. And what I mean by that is,
if I'm dropping back and it's a seven step drop,
I need you at nine and a.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
Half year cards right down the midline.
Speaker 9 (08:05):
If you drift to the right, if you drift to
the left, if you get to ten yards ten and
a half yards, you're hurting your tackles, you're hurting your guards.
You can't do that. He does that too many times
on film. That led to some of those sacks. Now,
I know his offensive line struggled at Colorado. When you
watch the tape, you're going to see that. But he
didn't help himself. There's so many times to where he
just needs to take a profit.
Speaker 6 (08:22):
Right.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
The defense is going to win sometimes.
Speaker 9 (08:24):
Especially up front, you can't compound the problem and make
a bad play worse. He tried to do too much
and be a hero too many times, and that hurt him.
Speaker 3 (08:31):
And then that kind of.
Speaker 9 (08:31):
Led to him being a little bit of predetermined with
his throws because he wanted to get the ball out quickly.
Like I said, very accurate passer, great anticipation or a
lot of anticipatory throws, but he would predetermine. And I
go back to one of the plays against Arizona where
he's throwing a double post to the left and he
locks on one receiver, throws it no matter what the
safety makes a play on.
Speaker 8 (08:49):
The football returner.
Speaker 3 (08:50):
It's a turnover on a big time moment in that game.
Speaker 9 (08:52):
Instead of knowing, Okay, the guy's out there, let me
find my checkdown, let me throw it away, let me
move on, protect the team, and then make it next
play or make a big play on the next down.
I lean more towards this ceiling when it comes to
Shador Sanders. I agree with a lot of these Mott drafts.
Speaker 3 (09:04):
I think he's going to be a very good football player.
But I do believe he needs to go to the.
Speaker 9 (09:07):
Right system and be developed the right way more than
any other quarterback in this draft.
Speaker 7 (09:13):
Here's the other fact on this, Cody, and you're talking
about there's a development process that needs to take place
right with shod Or Sanders. You can't be sitting there
thinking he's going to step in week one, be the
starter and play at a Pro Bowl level. Well, you
have this unique situation where his father deon Sanders.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
Who listen.
Speaker 7 (09:30):
He has earned the right to say what's on his mind,
but he's also been very outspoken defending his son against
any type of criticism.
Speaker 8 (09:39):
From any corner. If you struggle early in the season, if.
Speaker 7 (09:42):
She door's playing, if he's not, if the team he's
on is struggling, Dion's going to be asked questions about
that team. He's going to be asked questions about his son.
There's going to be reports and rumors about Dion potentially
replacing whoever the head coaches of the team.
Speaker 8 (09:57):
That doesn't exist any place else.
Speaker 7 (09:59):
And as much as we can say you want to
isolate the player, he's not Johnny Manziel. He doesn't have
off the field problems. He's not a concern, he's not
a party guy. Everybody says he's all ball. He wants
to be great. But you still have these other factors
here in a building where he was allowed to take
a separate car to the games and he could pull
up and park his Bentley in front of the facility
and just walk in and everything was catered to.
Speaker 8 (10:22):
The way that he wanted it to be.
Speaker 7 (10:24):
That's just not going to be the reality in the NFL.
I think there are certain coaches who would be very
good for Shadeur Sanders. He visited again the Steelers Mike Tomlin.
We had Schaduur on the Insiders and he said how
much he got along with Mike tom because you reminded
him of his dad. If you go to some other place,
it might not work out as well. You can never
overlook the contextual things with quarterbacks, Cody, you live that firsthand.
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Where you go when you go there, who your coaches are,
what the scheme is, how much stability you have. These
are all huge factors in development. When you have somebody
who's going to need some time, like chaduur Is, it's
more important, frankly, for him to land in the right
spot that it is for him to come off the
board as quickly as possible.
Speaker 4 (11:03):
All right, let's send the needle at Colorado from the
guy that played quarterback to another guy that he would
put a lot of points on the board with in
Travis Hunter. He is the two way all the conversation,
the focus point of the NFL Draft because the fascination
is there, Kyle, with whether or not a team will
utilize him as the true two way player that he
wants to be that he is fighting so badly for.
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When we hear Travis Hunter's name on Thursday, Kyle, do
you think that we will be getting the league's first
two way player in modern history? Or do you see
this thing playing out differently with this talented athlete.
Speaker 5 (11:35):
I'm so intrigued even by the specifics of how Roger
Goodell will announce it. Does he say Travis Hunter cornerback,
wide receiver at Colorado or does he say Travis Hunter,
wide receiver, quarterback Colorado. I want to hear what he
says and in what order he says it, and I
think they'll be paid attention to that. That's how interesting
this guy is. And we've done the deep history of it.
What is the attempting to do is has not been
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done in modern times, even people like we won the Heisman,
like Charles Woodson tried it, didn't do it, even as
coach Dion did it for about eight games in nineteen
ninety six.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
It was a true two.
Speaker 5 (12:07):
Way starter, and then they scrapped it and Dion had
to stop playing baseball just to be able to pull
it off.
Speaker 3 (12:12):
And out here we are.
Speaker 5 (12:13):
I'm maintain what I've said for weeks now. As a fan,
I want to see this happen. I want to see
him play both sides, and I think the best place
he could possibly do.
Speaker 3 (12:20):
It is New England.
Speaker 5 (12:21):
I think it's the Patriots because I think you have
to have a head coach who is totally secure, is
not in any kind of job job jeopardy, is not
worried with the media, thinks who has this sort of
Parcelian hutzpah that says, screw you, I know what I'm doing.
And also who has an offensive coordinator who doesn't give
it Dan neither There's been a bround the block one
hundred times Vrabel McDaniels.
Speaker 3 (12:44):
I think that is the.
Speaker 5 (12:45):
Type of brain trust that would be able to say
we're doing this and here's how we're going to do it.
Speaker 8 (12:50):
Can they get him at four?
Speaker 3 (12:52):
I don't know.
Speaker 8 (12:52):
Would they trade up.
Speaker 3 (12:53):
Inside the top five? We've seen it.
Speaker 5 (12:55):
You're telling me the Bears are going to go up
and get Mitch Trubisky, and the Patriots can go get
Travis Hunter. That's where I want him to go. I
think he has the best shot of realizing it. That's
just my take, Cody.
Speaker 9 (13:03):
Ye know how realistic it is for Travis Hunter to
be a true two way starter every single Sunday for
eighteen weeks of a season. That is going to be
extremely difficult, especially for the longevity of his career. But
I'll tell you this right now, I'm not going to
sit here in doubt him for one second. A lot
of people said that he couldn't do it at Colorado,
he couldn't do it.
Speaker 3 (13:20):
At the college level.
Speaker 9 (13:21):
He went out there and he won a Heisman Trophy
while averaging over one hundred and ten snaps per game.
The kid puts his body on the line every single Saturday.
He's doing whatever it takes to win football games. He's
willing to be a true competitor and go out there
and help his team win games. That's the type of
guy that you want on your roster. That's the type
of guy that you want in your locker room. I've
said it before and I'll say it again. Whoever drafts.
Travis Hunter on Thursday night is getting two players for
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the price of one draft pick. He is that valuable
and he's going to immediately make your team better, potentially
on both sides of the football.
Speaker 7 (13:50):
When I was talking to head coaches at the league
meeting back in March, and I was asking everybody about this,
the idea of this and somebody being able to truly
play two ways, the number one thing that they brought
up that was going to be a hurdle that Travis
Hunter would have to get over was just the amount
of time on task. You can't be in two meetings
at once. There's very limited snaps during a practice week
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in the season. So the question then becomes, how do
you best set up Travis Hunter for success, because he's
got the opportunity to be great at full things. Him
just being pretty good, but not having the time to
be great at anything is not in anybody's best interest here.
So whatever team takes him is going to have to
have a clear plan about how they're going to do it. Again,
you have limited time in the building, limited meeting time,
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limited snaps in practice.
Speaker 3 (14:34):
Here.
Speaker 8 (14:35):
The Browns and Andrew Berry already.
Speaker 7 (14:37):
Have made very clear they think he's a receiver first,
but they also believe that he can play both ways
if in fact he lands in Cleveland, which is not
a certainty but certainly is the way that people in
the league believe that this is going to go. With
Kevin Stefanski and Jim Schwartz, everyone's gonna have to figure out.
I mean, it's not gonna be a tuggle war over
the guy.
Speaker 8 (14:55):
It can't be. Hey, I need him in this meeting. No,
you need him in that meeting.
Speaker 7 (14:58):
You've got to have a really clear vision for how
you're going to ramp him up. But I would not
be surprised at all if we see Travis Hunter by
the time his rookie season ends playing a decent amount
of both sides of the ball, because he is that rare.
Speaker 4 (15:11):
Are we going to try to file some paperwork here, Kyle,
Would you be open to it being Travis Hunter athlete
Colorado or do you need the differentiation of the positions
that unicorn no athlete. Do you need it to be
the two positions or can it just be here's the
sawesome player.
Speaker 3 (15:26):
Well, I like it.
Speaker 5 (15:27):
It sounds very on brand because as you know that
Colorado they don't do the C for captains like D
for dog or something like. It's like it's and then
they had they didn't have a pro day, they had
a showcase or something like that. So I'm sure Prime
has got some thoughts on what he should be introduced as.
Speaker 3 (15:45):
But I think listen, I'll be listening.
Speaker 5 (15:47):
Riveted to see which way Goodell says it and which
one comes first.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
How do you do that?
Speaker 10 (15:53):
Like?
Speaker 5 (15:53):
What would the official profile on the draft NFL dot
Com has cornerback first, Yes, but I feel like I
don't know. I think he's going to say wide receiver first.
It's just one of the things I'm looking for where
he goes and how does Goodell say it?
Speaker 4 (16:04):
In my draft bible that I just keep open, he
was in the quarterback tab, he was not in the
wide receiver tab. So this thing has been and I've
been tearing pages out as I find out who's going
to Creed Bay this week. We know one guy for sure.
It's Daniel Jeremiah. He's NFL Network's top draft analyst.
Speaker 3 (16:20):
He reveals his.
Speaker 4 (16:21):
Final mock draft on this of the year on Wednesday,
eight pm Eastern. He can be joined by Charles Davis
Colleen Wolf. This is a list that you need ahead
of Thursday Nights first opening round. I'm twenty twenty five
NFL Draft. It's DJ and all the work he's done.
It's coming out Wednesday night, Kyle, I'll be there.
Speaker 8 (16:39):
I cannot wait.
Speaker 6 (16:40):
Plus, I can't wait.
Speaker 5 (16:41):
For quarterbacks, quarterbacks, quarterbacks.
Speaker 3 (16:43):
You know, Cam Warren's sort of we talk a lot
of Senor Sanders.
Speaker 5 (16:47):
What about after that, Cody's going to talk about these
other guys, potential first round guys, potentially even high.
Speaker 3 (16:52):
First round guys.
Speaker 5 (16:53):
Quarterbacks, quarterbacks, quarterbacks.
Speaker 8 (16:54):
You cannot talk him enough.
Speaker 3 (16:55):
It's draft week.
Speaker 5 (16:56):
Don't go anywhere, good mon, all right? I love saying
this an old friend of the show. A lot of
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times when I say that, it's like an old player,
it's someone that came in as the draft and is
now retiring, or in this case, this is the NFL's
executive vice president overseen Player Health and Safety.
Speaker 8 (17:25):
It's Jeff Miller.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
What's up, Jeff, Kyle?
Speaker 6 (17:27):
How are you?
Speaker 3 (17:28):
Happy Draft week?
Speaker 6 (17:29):
Happy Draft week to you?
Speaker 5 (17:30):
So you and I have been talking for years, and
there's something I just learned about you that the audience
needs to know that. It's just blowing my mind.
Speaker 6 (17:37):
Jeff, you're from Wisconsin, blowing your mind? Yes, yes I am.
I am what part a little town called Mechwan, which
is just north of Milwaukee for football references, about an
hour twenty minute drive south of Green Bay.
Speaker 5 (17:48):
Okay, so an hour and twenty minute drive south of
the NFL Draft As a Wisconsin guy, How you feeling
this weekend?
Speaker 6 (17:54):
I mean, I could not be more excited.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
So cool.
Speaker 6 (17:56):
I mean, every city is able to put its own
imprint on the draft. That's been so fun. As we've
moved the draft from city to city, it was just
a matter of time before Green Bay did the same.
And the team's been amazing. And for fans out there
haven't had a chance to be in Green Bay at
lambeau Field, they're going to get a chance to see
everything that's so special unique about Green Bay, which is
obviously synonymous with the Packers.
Speaker 5 (18:16):
I just remember very well when the decision came and
it's like, it's New York, New York, New York, and
we're going to move it, and people were like, what
it's supposed to be in New York? Could you have
envisioned then when that happened, how great this has been and.
Speaker 3 (18:27):
How it's a huge part of it.
Speaker 5 (18:29):
We've been to Philly and we've been to Nashville. It's
been a massive success and I love it.
Speaker 6 (18:33):
The fans have been overwhelming. Who knew it was going
to be this large, Like shout out to the clubs
who have put it on, Shout out to our team
back in the office who have put the event together
to make it so fan friendly and give people access
to something they hadn't seen before. I mean last year
in Detroit, hundreds of thousands of people showed up Green
Bay from all over the Midwest. People are going to
be there and all of these fans who love the
Packers or who've watched the Packers that have never been
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to Lambeau are going to get a bit of the
Lambeaux experience because it's all going to be built up,
and they're going to get a feel for northern Wisconsin,
which could not be more fun, so.
Speaker 5 (19:02):
Fun things they haven't experienced before, like cheese, Kurds, spotted cow.
We will just keep running it down. I love Wisconsin.
We talked in the air off.
Speaker 6 (19:09):
What about butterburgers. You know you and I are going
to go over to Krolls in a couple of days, right.
I mean people don't even know what that is like
an experience, No.
Speaker 3 (19:17):
But they're gonna learn. You're gonna learn about cam Word.
Speaker 5 (19:19):
Schador and butter Burgers. Indeed, we always learn when you
come in, Jeff, because if you don't know, Jeff is
really on the front lines of player safety and protecting
this players as much as we possibly can in this game.
Speaker 3 (19:29):
Your group recently.
Speaker 5 (19:30):
Had results from lab testing, which is a hard left
turn from Butterburgers.
Speaker 6 (19:35):
Jeff tell us about the.
Speaker 5 (19:36):
Lab test and the different helmets and for fans watching,
what can they learn about this?
Speaker 6 (19:41):
Thank you for asking and nice job on the Seguay.
So talking about helmets, it was another great year in
development of the engineering around helmets. Shout out to the
engineers who work on this for both us and the
Players Association. And what we saw last year was in
influx of a bunch of brand new helmets, and what
we saw on field represented what happened in the lab.
So if you were wearing one of the best performing helmets,
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you were up to twenty percent twenty seven percent less
likely to get injured than somebody who's wearing an older helmet,
which is a remarkable thing. And in the context of that,
we saw last year in the league the fewest number
of concussions we've ever seen. So the big goal this
year is to take those helmets that were new last year,
seven new models this year, which also tests very well,
and move about thirty percent of the league into the
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best performing helmets to better protect them from injury, which
is a huge lift. But that's a big goal for
the season.
Speaker 5 (20:30):
I always love this because as if you're a fan,
you watch and you'll tune in on a game and
you're saying, but.
Speaker 8 (20:35):
What is that helmet that George Kittle's watching?
Speaker 5 (20:37):
And I always think fans are obsessed with aesthetics and equipments,
and this is what we're talking about here. And yet
I know there's still work to be done. You're talking
about percentages. What are the goals where we headed? How
can we get more players in the safest helmets.
Speaker 6 (20:49):
Yeah, we work really closely with the Players Association on
the testing and on the education, and if we're up
to us, we would eliminate, you know, mandate that some
helmets not be worn at all. The Players Association wants
a little bit more player choice, which is fine, but
it's worked out but we will work with the players association,
the equipment, the trainers, and increasingly, this is really interesting
part to me, the coaches who want their players in
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the best performing helmets. And we've seen that that coaches
have gone to the club and say, hey, look, guys,
here's the five best helmets.
Speaker 3 (21:15):
Choose one.
Speaker 6 (21:16):
Just choose one. The one you're wearing before isn't going
to keep you as protected and we need you on
the field. Why take a greater risk of injury? And
it is a very collaborative effort to move players into
the best place. And these players, but you know, since
your time, are more and more educated about the engineering.
They ask more questions, they get into it. They want
to know what's newest from their manufacturer, what new device,
what new shape, what new form is possible, And so
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they're involved in the process too, and credit to them change.
Changing your helmet's not an easy thing to do, and
we ask a lot of them.
Speaker 5 (21:44):
I remember talking to Kittle at the Pro Bowl and
I was like, hey, what's with the new helmets?
Speaker 3 (21:47):
I love it. I love it.
Speaker 6 (21:48):
I'll never wear anything else. He's absolutely way into.
Speaker 5 (21:51):
It, the comfort and all the protection and everything. And
I think the players are starting to embrace it more.
It's compelling when the head coach says, here's the five helmets,
pick one.
Speaker 6 (21:58):
No question not to mention the fact that more and
more of these helmets are positions specific. So if you're
an offensive line, that helmet is built to represent the
impacts that you experience play by play, game by game.
If you're a quarterback, similarly, so you know what those
impacts are, the magnitude, the frequency of those impacts, and
that piece of equipment is offering you more protection than
your random helmet off the shelf, so why not use it?
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And more and more players are moving into those.
Speaker 5 (22:22):
Can you envision reality, We're a head coach, someone who's
maybe doesn't give a damn about conventions, like Jim Harbaugh
could mandate.
Speaker 6 (22:28):
It, well, mandate that. Now we're getting into legal territory. Sure, right,
but can't heavily suggest they certainly have a lot of influence, right,
And we've seen that on team by team, like there
are certain teams that have more and more players and
the best performing helmets and other teams that don't. And
the difference to me is both the equipment manager who's
really good as well as the head coach saying, guys,
it's time to move into this thing.
Speaker 5 (22:47):
Well, if we're going to talk safety, we're going to
talk kickoffs and ditchbacks, all right, bring us up to speed.
Going into the twenty twenty five season, people are confused
their opinion. They're passionate about kickoffs and touchbacks.
Speaker 6 (22:57):
Where are we and how do you feel? Who knew
that we would be debating the kickoff this much, this long?
Speaker 3 (23:02):
It's great?
Speaker 6 (23:02):
Okay, So here's the foundation part of a college. Remember
the injury rate on the kickoff previous to last year
somewhere between two and four times a play from scrimmage. Okay,
a lot concussions double. So over the course of years,
special teams, coaches were working in different formations. Coaches were
debating it, the league was debating it, talking to the
players about it, on and on and on. We made
the big move last year to the dynamic kickoff. The
results about fifty seven percent more kicks returned, and the
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injury rate actually decreased despite the fact they were more
kicks return which is great, and the concussions were at
their lowest level in years. So it performed exactly as
we have modeled. Its great news. So yet only about
one in three kicks were returned. We want that number
to be higher. So we're moving the touch back to
the thirty five from the thirty. The idea of there
being that a lot more teams will now kick the
ball in the landing zone because there's a pretty good
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penalty if you don't, so more teams will bring it back.
So you're going to see more kicks return Hopefully you'll
see a few more interesting plays and we saw last
year and hopefully we'll build on it. More touchdowns, more
long returns, more exciting plays. I love hearing that it's
all good news. I love the statistics.
Speaker 5 (23:59):
I also I was interested in you. You've done this
for years, We've talked about it for years. Take us
to back, Jeff and look forward five years from now.
What would you like to see?
Speaker 3 (24:08):
What is a goal?
Speaker 6 (24:09):
Everything that we do is about reducing the number of
injuries and number of players lose games. We need to
see more improvement in helmets. We want to see cleats
and surfaces, which is a big focus of ours. Our
friends at Nike are working with us on this now.
The turf manufacturers are starting to get the same information
from us that the helmet manufacturers got years ago, see
better services shoulder pads. Unfortunately, this year we saw an
increase in shoulder injuries. I don't know if it's the pads.
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I don't know if it's the lack of pads. A
lot of our players aren't wearing what they once did.
Just look at NFL films from twenty years ago and
you can see a difference. We need to look at
all that, and I think we can save more injuries
for the players. We can keep them on field longer,
and I think that that will always be a priority
for the NFL.
Speaker 5 (24:44):
Growing up in Wisconsin, your favorite Packers memory, what do
you got?
Speaker 6 (24:47):
Well, you have to go with far Super Bowl? Oh yeah,
ninety in New Orleans. Oh my gosh, yeah no. I
flew with my brother to Houston and drove to New
Orleans because the only way we could get there, and
slept on a friend's floor in a hotel so that
we can see the Packers. But since then, just you know,
and for everybody watching the NFL, I rooted for all
thirty two. Of coursely as your fandom when you come
mark at the league. But when I was just a kid,
finding the Packers and ringing for the Packers in the
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Super Bowl was Highland.
Speaker 5 (25:10):
Road trip to New Orleans, sleeping on the floor. It
wasn't always about safety with this guy. As Jeff Miller,
you get frustrated when players get injured. You don't want
them off of your fantasy team. They're doing everything they
possibly can to keep them healthy, and this guy is
at the front of that.
Speaker 6 (25:22):
It's always great to see him. Thanks Tom.
Speaker 3 (25:24):
Let's enjoy the draft.
Speaker 5 (25:25):
We'll be right back with Good Morning Football right after this.
Speaker 6 (25:27):
Stay safe, everybody.
Speaker 11 (25:29):
It's time now to show you a sneak peek at
our new content series where Brock Pretty and Daniel Jeremiah
breakdown game film and talk about this year's NFL draft prospects.
Speaker 6 (25:40):
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Speaker 10 (25:49):
Obviously, the expectations that he's had, you know, throughout his
college career and then taking Colorado to New Heights like.
Speaker 6 (25:55):
That, you know that's not easy.
Speaker 10 (25:57):
The knock is a little bit of the arm strength,
and then you know, holding the ball took a lot
of sacks. With my experience of playing like if I
can show my guys you know that I can get
hit and then keep going, that just shows a lot
about you know, your leadership and just being able to
learn to get the ball out play within the timing
of the offense and concepts. So I think those are
things that he has and will continue to learn.
Speaker 6 (26:17):
And development, no doubt.
Speaker 11 (26:20):
They also teased each other on the scouting report that
Daniel Jeremiah had on Rock Pretty coming out of Iowa.
Speaker 6 (26:26):
State a couple of years ago. Pretty funny stuff.
Speaker 8 (26:28):
More, I'm pretty Now.
Speaker 11 (26:29):
As the forty nine ers are working on a long
term deal for the quarterback, how much he'll get paid,
it's been a hot topic of discussion even amongst his rivals.
Speaker 8 (26:38):
Rams receiver Puka Nakua appeared on.
Speaker 11 (26:40):
Julian Edelman's Games with Names podcasts and shared his thoughts
on the topic.
Speaker 3 (26:45):
Rock Perty.
Speaker 6 (26:46):
Is he gonna get a five? I don't think so.
Speaker 8 (26:48):
Do you think he's gonna go with a four? It's
gonna start with a four?
Speaker 6 (26:51):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (26:52):
High four?
Speaker 8 (26:53):
No, I think mid for forty five.
Speaker 6 (26:56):
I think so.
Speaker 9 (26:56):
I mean, I think if he does that, that'd be
smart for him and them.
Speaker 6 (27:00):
Yeah, I mean I think he's he seems like a
smart guy.
Speaker 8 (27:02):
I think he like there's still they have a chance
to still.
Speaker 6 (27:05):
Be in their window.
Speaker 7 (27:06):
And I think if he goes for a five, the
window closes, right.
Speaker 11 (27:11):
Ooka putting his GM pat on another quarterback news Washington's
Jaden Daniels coming off winning Offensive Rookie of the Year award,
but he's not resting on his Laurels, Daniels saying on
Gruden goes long, it's a whole new year and he
has to prove himself to his teammates and the organization
that he is getting better. And the Browns could be
in the market for a quarterback in this week's draft.
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How about Alabama's Jalen Milroe. When asked specifically about Milroe
and his pre draft press conference, Cleveland general manager Andrew
Berry calling Milroe a rare physical.
Speaker 8 (27:43):
Talent and maybe listen to this.
Speaker 11 (27:46):
The only quarterback who's faster than Lamar Jackson Jamie Cody.
Speaker 8 (27:52):
When I heard that, my ears certainly perked up.
Speaker 11 (27:55):
I can't imagine a quarterback in today's NFL being faster
than Lamar Jackson.
Speaker 4 (27:59):
Omark who's producing this show, You just had like three
juicy topics that now I have to talk to everybody
about at the table, and you just kept them to
yourself with your own little segment. I got to talk
about Pookinako having a take on brock Party's contract, Daniel
Jeremia and brock Party driving around Sofi Stadium.
Speaker 3 (28:15):
How did the forty nine ers feel about that?
Speaker 4 (28:16):
Omar Really great stuff. But let's stick with that final topic,
stay on task. It's the fact that Andrew Berry has
a decision to make and whether or not that includes
Jalen Milroe at least Cody Kessler. We've heard that he
loves the Alabama quarterback. What do you think about the
roletide QB.
Speaker 3 (28:32):
Yeah, I'm not going.
Speaker 9 (28:33):
To go on record and say that I think he's
faster than Lamar Jackson, because Lamar Jackson is a very
rare talent. But I do believe that Jalen Merrow is
the most athletic player in this draft at the quarterback spot.
He's probably one of the most athletic players in this
entire draft period, regardless of position. Dangerous with the ball
in his hands. One of those guys in that second tier. Right,
We've talked a lot about cam Ward, talked a lot
about Shador Sanders rightfully so those are two very talented quarterbacks.
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But that second wave of guys where I believe Milroe
falls into is very intriguing. I don't think this will
be a top heavy draft for quarterback obviously, but it's
going to ramp up and become a frenzy when we
get to that second to fifth round, and I think
Milroe falls in that category.
Speaker 4 (29:10):
Cody Kessler, us C quarterback handful of years in the NFL.
You have other thoughts on the quarterbacks that you're going
to get to here on GMFB.
Speaker 9 (29:16):
I don't. I don't want to get too much away.
Talk some about them already on the show. We also
talked a little bit about them when I came on for.
Speaker 3 (29:22):
The free combine the draft of all those things.
Speaker 9 (29:25):
Going on, but I got a little bit more on
these guys and they developed had some pro days, which
I think these guys improved as well. Jackson dark Quinn yours, Jaln.
Milroe is in that category. But I'm really excited to
break these guys down.
Speaker 4 (29:35):
Only talking about guys that had pro days, not showcases.
Very different thing when it goes to Colorado, Let's first
first round potential sleepers for quarterbacks Putty Cusser.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
Next, Good Morning Football.
Speaker 4 (29:59):
A quarterback who's seen it all through his college career
is Quinn Yours. It's been quite the journey for the
Texas quarterback of take a look and then let's talk
about it.
Speaker 12 (30:14):
From high school, I rocked a mullet and it decided
to kind of have a mind of its own and
kind of blew up a little bit.
Speaker 6 (30:21):
Kept it for my.
Speaker 12 (30:21):
First two years in college. It was fun, well lasted,
but it was hard to take care of it. Towards
the end. There it's time to get rid of it,
you know. You cut the hair, all the bad habits
go with it.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
That's about as good as he's looked.
Speaker 6 (30:32):
Gid's a faller.
Speaker 8 (30:34):
When you were as quarterback Texas Hookhm, you was what
being players to down?
Speaker 3 (30:40):
Why you com bakdown?
Speaker 12 (30:45):
I had nine scholarship offers before I started a game
in high school for the varsity team. I got my
first scholarship offer from North Texas going into seventh grade.
I'm at a summer camp trying to just get better,
you know, get coached by some of the college quarterback coaches.
Came up to me after the camp and we're talking
to me, you know, asking how old I was, And
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it was funny because they asked me if I had
a Twitter, and I told them I didn't even have
a phone yet. I ended up being the number one
player coming out of high school going into the college.
Speaker 6 (31:13):
Now yours a downfield shot.
Speaker 8 (31:15):
He just dropped it, hit a bucket.
Speaker 12 (31:17):
I would describe my style as controlled aggression. Our system
at Texas was built around making the quarterback successful, and
then my job was just to get the ball in
the playmaker's hands, so taking the shots when they're there
and setting up their shots with other players.
Speaker 11 (31:30):
Queen Yours lays it over top of the safety for
a score.
Speaker 12 (31:34):
My resiliency is unluck no other. My mental toughness go
along with it, and just my poison composure and big
moments I think sets me apart.
Speaker 5 (31:42):
And now he's gonna run it in a selling and
Queen Yours goes in for the rushing touchdown.
Speaker 12 (31:49):
Draft Knight is just going to be a lot of emotion,
a lot of happiness is gonna be around my family,
some of my loved one, some friends. Just to be
able to experience all that together, I think it's going
to be super important because I'm a.
Speaker 3 (32:00):
Big relationship guy.
Speaker 6 (32:02):
I love having relationships with.
Speaker 12 (32:03):
My loved one, you know, just have an amazing support group,
and for them to be there with me and experiencing
that with me, I think that we're obviously gonna remember
that for.
Speaker 3 (32:11):
A life time. I think the Mullet plays queen yours.
Speaker 4 (32:16):
I think if you brought it back, everybody would be
okay with it. But that's a decision that you get
to make. Other football gms are making decisions about Quinn
You ers this week, Cody Kessler, what do you think
about the quarterback?
Speaker 6 (32:27):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (32:27):
I like Quinn Ears.
Speaker 9 (32:28):
When he's playing in rhythm, when he's playing with confidence,
he is as good of a passer in this draft
as any other quarterback. I truly believe that he's shown
that over his career. He got his first off when
he's in seventh grade. Obviously he's always had the talent.
The problem is a year ago he lost some of
that confidence. Now I know, he dealt with an injury,
then he dealt with a quarterback controversy when he came back,
and there were times when he was struggling. And you
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hear that, right, you try to block it out. You
don't look at Twitter, you don't look at social media.
But when your fan base starts wanting another quarterback to
play who showed some flashes, when you start struggling, it
gets in your head and that becomes a problem.
Speaker 3 (32:59):
If Queen Yours can get back.
Speaker 9 (33:01):
To playing at a fast paced throwing on the run
right here like he did against Michigan, playing with confidence
and poise, I think he can be a very good
quarterback at the next level. Now, look, I don't think
he's going to be a first round pick, but I
do believe he can have a lot of value in
that second round, maybe even third or fourth round, to
where he can be a solid backup and then develop
and do a starter potentially in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (33:19):
I don't think he did himself a ton of.
Speaker 9 (33:21):
Favors throughout this draft process, at the combine and at
Pro Day, but I also don't think he hurt himself, right.
I think he stayed right about in the same spot.
A lot of people had a perception of him going
into this pre draft process. I think he proved that
throughout this entire time. But overall, I'm a big fan
of Quinn Yours and I think if he can continue.
Speaker 3 (33:37):
To develop, he can be a big player in the NFL.
Speaker 7 (33:39):
Concerned with quinn Ewers and talking to coaches and scouts
is mainly he's not the biggest guy, doesn't have a
lead trades.
Speaker 3 (33:44):
He's been hurt and missed a.
Speaker 7 (33:45):
Little bit of time every year going back to high school.
But there's one quarterback in this draft who would to
consecutive college football playoffs. Was eleven to one on the
road as a starter and joined Joel Burrow. Was the
only quarterbacks to beat Nick Saban at Alabama in like
the last eight years. It wasn't Camp Warre, wasn't Shor Sanders,
it was quinn Ewers. That's gonna be a really interesting
one to exactly where he lands. Tell me about Jackson
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Dart Cody a guy who plays in a very quarterback
friendly offense there for Lane Kiffin and does have a
chance to be a first rounder.
Speaker 3 (34:13):
Yeah, I really like Dart.
Speaker 9 (34:15):
I've been torn on who that second quarterback was throughout
this entire process. Now I believe that cam Ward is won,
then there's a gap. I believe Shador Sanders is too,
and then there's a smaller gap, and I have Jackson
Dart just behind Shador Sanders.
Speaker 3 (34:27):
I really liked his game solid arm I.
Speaker 9 (34:29):
Played for Lane Kipman, so I know the type of
coaching that he is receiving.
Speaker 3 (34:32):
It's going to translate well to the NFL. Very good.
Speaker 9 (34:35):
I push him the football down the field. He led
college football last year fifteen hundred yards seventeen touchdowns when
throwing the ball.
Speaker 3 (34:41):
Twenty plus yards down the field.
Speaker 9 (34:43):
He opposite of Quinn Ewers, in my opinion, really had
a great pre draft process, kind of like bow Knicks
did a year ago.
Speaker 3 (34:50):
We saw him a sin to where bow Knicks is
in that.
Speaker 9 (34:53):
Top fifty range, right top forty five range. There was
concern about his age and being in college for a long.
Speaker 3 (34:57):
Time, but then he went out and crushed the combine.
Speaker 9 (34:59):
He did a great job at his pro day, really
took advantage of those individual workouts, those private work we
heard Sean Payton talk about. That's where they were sold
on boat Nix. I wish we could learn more about
those private workouts with Jackson Dart and the teams that
he's worked with.
Speaker 3 (35:11):
But again, Dart, for me.
Speaker 9 (35:13):
Is a guy that I think could sneak into the
first round. I've seen him going as high as the
top five. I've seen him going in the middle of
the second round. You can convince me with either of those, right.
I really like his play style. I think he's going
to transition well to the NFL. I know all the
talk is Nan cam Warden schaendor Sanders, but you can't
forget about Jackson Dart.
Speaker 5 (35:29):
Let's talk Jalen Milro though Alabama, we know a lot
of him. Is incredible athlete. We had him on the
show and he was so compelling, so smart, so sharp,
so fun, incredible personality.
Speaker 6 (35:38):
We all really really liked him.
Speaker 5 (35:39):
Also, he raised some eyebrows when the news came out
that he'd be attending the draft, which he talked about.
He's going to be there in Green Bay, sitting there
in the green room, and no one knows if he's
going to get picked, and we always hate to see
those guys just sit there and sit there and then
lee without being picked. Maybe he's getting some questionable advice,
or maybe he knows something that we don't know. But
the word is he's going to be there.
Speaker 3 (36:00):
What do you think, Cody, Yeah, I don't know how
to read into that. Kyle.
Speaker 9 (36:03):
When I heard that news, I was a little surprised
because I didn't have Jalen Milroe with the first round grade.
Speaker 3 (36:08):
But again read into it. However, you like the fact
that he got invited there.
Speaker 9 (36:11):
It tells you something. That has to mean something. It
does carry weight. Now is he going to be a
first round pick? I guess we'll have to wait and see.
But when I look at Jalen Milroe, he is the
most intriguing player to me in this draft at the
quarterback position. He is very dangerous on the ground. We
just heard Omar talk about being faster Lamar Jackson don't
know about that. But the way that he runs the football,
I think he's a little more physical as a runner
and he can create on the ground. He has a
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NFL level arm talent. He really doesn't. He throws a
pretty football. The problem is it's just not consistent enough.
He'll watch his tape, you can go back and check
out the film. He'll have two to three throws to
where you say, Okay, this is a Sunday.
Speaker 3 (36:43):
Type of throw. This is an NFL level throw.
Speaker 9 (36:45):
And then I'll have two to three throws to where
he misses a guy wide open because his footwear gets off.
Speaker 3 (36:49):
He loses his accuracy.
Speaker 9 (36:50):
He's got to become more consistent as a pocket passer
if he wants to be a true starter in the NFL.
But all the intangibles are there now with Milroe. Something
that showed me a lot of promise was that we
got to the combine and one of the things that
was an issue with him, like I mentioned, was accuracy.
Speaker 3 (37:05):
He missed majority of his throws high.
Speaker 9 (37:07):
What that tells me is that he was not getting
comfortable at the top of his drop. His footwork was off,
he was leaving his left shoulder high, he wasn't finishing
his throat right. When you're a quarterback and you're missing high,
I need you to pull down an extent right. If
you're leaving it up here, you're going to miss a
lot of throws high. Go watch the tape from the
comment that's exactly what he did. Then you go to
the pro day.
Speaker 3 (37:23):
He fixed that.
Speaker 9 (37:24):
Those are small mechanical issues that if you don't fix,
they'll continue to linger. But if you address them, that
tells me as a coach that you can improve and
you can take coaching.
Speaker 3 (37:31):
He fixed that.
Speaker 9 (37:32):
His pro day was phenomenal. He looked very comfortable and
his drop back, especially under center, had some play action,
was very accurate. Didn't miss a lot of throws high.
He is a very intriguing prospect. Like I said, Kyle,
the draft invite, I don't know how to look into that.
Speaker 3 (37:44):
I don't know what that means.
Speaker 9 (37:45):
It does carry some weight, but overall I wouldn't be
surprised if jayaln merroll hops into that first round, but
I see him as potentially a Day two pick.
Speaker 4 (37:52):
Well, let me admit something. So it'll be my first
NFL draft to attend. I'll be in Green Bay and
I will be on the stage with the first round
draft picks. Anyone that is left over, Tom Pellizero from
the first round, who might be a second round guy,
I stay in Green Bay and interview that person, that athlete.
They get their moment on the stage. So if Jalen
Milroe is the one or two players left over, he's
(38:14):
getting his interview up there. So the conversation is happening regardless.
Jalen Milroe, fascinating, intriguing, Tom, whatever adjective you want to use.
The future, is someone's going to pick him? And what
are you hearing in terms of what team might take him,
where he might go and.
Speaker 3 (38:28):
Why is he going to Green Bay?
Speaker 7 (38:29):
The eye opening thing that several, not one, several coaches
and scouts told me as I was making calls. But
all these quarterbacks is Jalen Milroe is the greatest runner
of the football they've ever evaluated at the quarterback position,
not Lamar Jackson. Jalen Milroe is the best runner that
they've ever seen.
Speaker 8 (38:49):
Cody Sidek.
Speaker 7 (38:49):
He's got a big arm, and he actually has some
accuracy down the field. But it's the consistency of that
accuracy that's going to lead to some concerns. We just
watched Jalen Hurts win a super Bowl. He was a
late second round pick. If you redrafted the twenty twenty draft,
probably make a case maybe Jalen Hurts should have come
off the board at the bottom of round one. But
(39:10):
you got to have a really clear vision for what
you're going to do with Jalen Hurts.
Speaker 8 (39:15):
He may need to be on.
Speaker 7 (39:16):
The field in different capacities like Lamar Jackson was his
first year until Joe Flackell got hurt and Lamar took over.
This is going to be one of the unique stories
in this draft. Certainly there is a possibility, Jamie, that
somebody falls in love with the player and the person
believes they can harness it. But this is a long
term type of a project that you're going to have
(39:36):
with Jaln Milroe. Everyone's going to have to decide what
the value is that when it comes to the draft night, Tom.
Speaker 4 (39:41):
I'm not going to lie to you. It's a little
triggering when you say best runner of the football at
the quarterback position, Kyle, is that not insane for you
to hear?
Speaker 5 (39:49):
It's incredible? I mean, listen, Lamar's the name that jumps out.
But remember Lamar's draft process was very unconventional, didn't run
a forty. Oh, there was a lot of mystery around him.
Jalen Millrose right there, he's doing every show. He blazed
this forty. He's got all the tape, and it's like,
I think if.
Speaker 8 (40:04):
Some like Anthony Richardson, who.
Speaker 5 (40:06):
He had that label project project, very inexperienced, didn't start
a lot of games, but oh my god, you see
him do that backflip.
Speaker 6 (40:12):
He goes fourth overall. I mean fourth overall.
Speaker 5 (40:15):
So I just come back to it, and I have
to be candid about this. I hated here in the
Jaylen Milro was attending the draft.
Speaker 3 (40:21):
I get nervous.
Speaker 5 (40:23):
I don't like seeing those kids sit there and sit
there and then go home and not get drafted.
Speaker 6 (40:28):
I think it's humiliating.
Speaker 5 (40:29):
And I think that we see it for years, and
we saw it with you name it, Will Levis, Gino Smith, on.
Speaker 3 (40:34):
And on and on, and they leave with their family.
I guess I don't have a team.
Speaker 8 (40:37):
I don't like.
Speaker 5 (40:37):
It makes me nervous, like as a parent almost, so
I hope that there is some insight. And what Tom
is saying is very interesting that someone may try to
hit a home run with this and that we're going
to look at his ability and that headline that Tom
just said, and it is a headline the best runner
of the football as a quarterback that these people have
ever evaluated, not won several That to me says like,
I'm going to take a shot on this guy in
(40:58):
the first round, even if I have to trade in
to do it.
Speaker 9 (41:00):
Two things, real quick, Tom p I agree, And I
think that's the most important thing is that it only
takes one team to fall in love with the guy
to go take him in the first round and make
them their pick.
Speaker 3 (41:09):
The second thing, Kyle, you gave me flashbacks.
Speaker 9 (41:11):
I was nervous because ESPN reached out to me and
they wanted to attend my house with a camera to
film me. Because I was somewhere in the second to
fourth round. I said, no way, if I don't go
in the second round, or if I don't go in
the third round, if I don't go day two, I
don't want to be one of those guys where the
camera's on me and everyone's sitting there and looking like
a SOB story and we're sad. I couldn't imagine going
in person and that not happening.
Speaker 3 (41:30):
I know what's happened before.
Speaker 9 (41:31):
But you gave me some flashbacks right there, Kyle, because
they actually said, we want to come set up production
in your house, so when you get drafted, the camera
crew will be there. Said what if I don't get drafted,
the camera crew's going to be sitting there.
Speaker 3 (41:40):
Anyways, and now everyone's going to look sad. So that
was a little flashback there.
Speaker 4 (41:44):
For give us if sometimes I don't come across as
crazy impressed with the Travis Hunter two way star conversation
because Tom Pellasaro is pulling GMFP in the morning from
Green Bay and he's got insiders, like twenty hours later
from green Bay, Tom do you go back to the
hotel or do you just stay in that seat and
make phone calls about draft decisions?
Speaker 8 (42:02):
Got about nine hours here.
Speaker 7 (42:04):
Pop across the street to grab a butterburger at Crolls West, which,
if you're wondering, is exactly what it sounds like.
Speaker 8 (42:10):
Hamburger, big slab of butter in the middle.
Speaker 4 (42:12):
Let's go, Tom pellisera butterburger and spotted count.
Speaker 3 (42:15):
We love you, Cream Bay. We'll see you there in
a couple of days.
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Jamie Erdahl
Jason McCourty
Kyle Brandt
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