Cam Jordan is back in the NFL Media podcast studio in Los Angeles, joined by Super Bowl Champion and Thursday Night Football analyst Andrew Whitworth. The two go head-to-head on whether offensive linemen deserve their own individual award, with Whitworth making the case for the big men in the trenches. He also shares a behind-the-scenes story from the night he won Walter Payton Man of the Year, including a last-minute scramble and how a police escort through L.A. traffic got them to the show barely in time. Cam and Whit then break down why they’re not fans of the potential “tush push” ban and explain why the Eagles continue to dominate with it. Whitworth also reflects on his recent induction into the East West Shrine Bowl Hall of Fame and what it means to be selected for enshrinement into the Louisiana Sports Hall of Fame this June, crediting his roots in Monroe, Louisiana. Plus, he shares the time he almost lost his friendship with Ryan Fitzpatrick… over dyeing his beard!
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Speaker 1 (00:09):
All right, here we go, welcome on in on a
great morning.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
And for me, it's a great morning because I get
an interview. One of my guys I looked up to
in this league had a sixteen year career.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
And I was like, Lord, how do I get there?
Speaker 2 (00:21):
And now I'm heading the year fifteen, So you know,
I think, yeah, we're fighting either way. We talked about
mister Andrew Whitworth, a Louisiana native himself. Well, I guess
I'm not a native because he's moved out to California.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
Yeah. I don't know if they claim me anymore.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
But you know, Louisian's very own Super Bowl champ fifty
six with the.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
Los Angeles Rams.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
Walk off home running was what I call it, you know,
win a Super Bowl. Hey, I'm retired. You've had a
hell of career as a four time pro bowler, you know,
going to East West Shrine Shrine game. Oh college, gay,
I love, I love when I get a little college
things already, you know, inducted to the Louisiana Sports Hall
of Fame.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
Again, it was a very own native.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
But like you know, Walter Payton NFL Man of the
Year twenty twenty one, same year you want a Super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
Just a that's a good little week, you know, solid,
solid as they come.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
I appreciate you to tapping in with it with the
podcast Off the Edge of Me, your host and now
my guy Andrew Whitworth. When I say I'm just excited
for you to come in, I mean, everybody knows you're
a great guy, you know, and and the battles that
we've had when you were at the Rams were fun.
I'm just thinking, I got I actually got to I
actually got to play on your side, which, yeah, you know,
(01:31):
you're a left tackle. I think one of the games
at the Rams, I came over, I was given haven't
seen work, and they're like, hey, we're just locking up somebody.
I was like, all right, I'm going over there. They
started running your way and I was like.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
I need that.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
Yeah, those are good days.
Speaker 4 (01:46):
Unfortunately, in the Coliseum we were the well I guess
you know so far it's been that way a little
bit too. But unfortunately the Coliseum we were always the
away team, even though we were playing at home with
the fans.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
That was rough.
Speaker 4 (01:55):
Silent count at home is just a it's a good
way to just really take an ego just cut it
right now?
Speaker 1 (01:59):
How does yeah, how does that work? Because LA fans
are there for the event?
Speaker 3 (02:04):
Well, yeah, I mean it's La.
Speaker 4 (02:06):
Listen. I will say this. I always said this when
I was playing. You want a lot of Rams fans there.
I wish more showed up in some of those situations
where we had a bigger fan base. But when you
moved the team to Saint Louis and you move it
all the way back, you've kind of done.
Speaker 3 (02:17):
That yourself a little bit.
Speaker 4 (02:18):
And let's be honest, if I was sitting there saying, hey,
there's about five other things I can think of I'd
want to do on a Sunday in LA and go
to sit in a football game.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
So there's some pretty cool cool spots to going.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
There's not. I don't care what it is. If football
is always king.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
Like, I don't know, clearly I'm biased. I'm like, no,
there's nothing I'd rather do than go watch football.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
No, no, I'll watch football.
Speaker 4 (02:38):
I'll just watch it from Malibu at the beach while
somebody's you know, serving me lunch or something that'd be great,
you know, go to Nobuu Malibu, go to Soho Malibu
on a TV watch it.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
I want the energy like when I see the energy,
I want that so like you know, but you've seen,
You've seen a good old, the new one, a super
dome like this unmad energy, like you can't watch it.
You can't catch set energy from the from the TV set.
Sitting at the crib, being at a at a bar is.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
Not hitting the same.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
No, it's not. It's still one of the most epic
moments in my life.
Speaker 4 (03:07):
Winning the National Championship at unless you in New Orleans
an hour away from Baton Rouge was one of the
coolest experiences ever. That felt like we were rock stars
for the entire week because the whole freaking state of
Louisiana was at the game.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
I could believe that I was like two things, that
two things Louisiana gonna do.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
Support their Saints and if bat Rouge on up, support
them them them Tigers.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
Yes sir, and yeah national chimps could be I could imagine, Oh.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
My, it was good.
Speaker 4 (03:34):
Yeah, let's just say, you know, we didn't have nil then,
but we weren't paying for much in New Orleans.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
Man assure you that for sure, look at it.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
I already knew, like I said, sec, yeah, you ain't
gotta lie to me. I'd be like I've been telling
people for years like n I L is just everybody
catching up.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
To everybody else.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
Yeah, like come on stop it. But uh, you've been
a pro bowler.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
How do you compare that to Walter paper Man NFL
Man of the Year. I've been a nominee I think
like three or four times now, but you winning.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
That, you know in LA. Yeah, those those La Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
Yeah, that was a cool week.
Speaker 4 (04:10):
I mean you think of being in the Super Bowl
and then also I've been a nominee a bunch of times,
but to be here in LA in a super Bowl
in our stadium, and then also be up for the
award and then to find out you want it was
pretty crazy. Now, I will say that the fun part
of that day is, you know, you get told on
Tuesday or Wednesday, Hey, you know he want you to
(04:31):
come to honors blah blahlah blah. And you know that
kind of means, well, man, it's I'm playing in the
game and they really want me to come. This guy,
I got to be in the final three or in
the runnings or finalists.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
Something got to happen.
Speaker 4 (04:41):
Then it's like all right, you know I Cooper cup
is going to win Offensive Player of the Year, so
they had to tell him because he wouldn't go because
he's playing in the game. So like Cooper, he's got
to go. So you two are going to travel together.
So we we adjust our practice schedule that day. So
then I'm like, we got to be winning. Like they're
adjusting the practice schedule. We must to be about to win,
you know, these awards. So we adjust our practice schedule.
(05:03):
We get to the house to all ride together. Somebody
forgot to book the car service. So the only good
part was that the police patrol that was going to
guide us to the stadium, because I mean, like I
told you earlier today, we're about two hours from Sofa Stadium.
So the police patrol is going to guide us shows
up and they're like, can y'all drive your cars? Like yeah,
(05:23):
we'll drive, Like all right, let's do this. We let
up the kids, the families getting two cars. It was
the coolest experience ever. These guys are moving cars all
over the one on one in the four or five,
and we were hauling.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
But two regular cars just going down.
Speaker 4 (05:34):
We pull up to the theater and just park right
out front of it. And Cooper just jumps out. He
literally was getting his award like three minutes. They ran
him to the stage like we're in a sweat still
basically in our suits. I luckily was last, so I
got to go chill out in the green room for
a minute, right, But it was a funny experience.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
Just that whole night was pretty amazing.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
I hear you been pushing for you know, in an
individual ward for office alignment.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
Yep.
Speaker 4 (05:57):
Why you know, it's really one of those things that
came up. Some guys are kind of talking about.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
It, Dawkins over at Buffalo.
Speaker 4 (06:04):
Yeah, and so I think that, you know, really, you know,
Dawkins brought it up, some guys that brought it up
over the years. But really it's one of those things
that at honors, if you think about potential to win
an award, right, so let's just put in forget, what
do you think of who should have an award or
not have an award? The potential to win an award,
So for an offensive lineman, offensive player of the year,
defensive player of the year, any position can really win
(06:27):
those that are stat driven. So you look at it,
Cooper Cup won it. You know, his stats, you know
you've seen Lamar Jackson, you know, Josh Allens and these
guys being those conversations, Christian McCaffrey, Sakuon Barkley, all stat
driven award type stuff for offensive players, scoring touchdowns, yards,
all that. Then defensively you have you know, defensive linement
obviously with sacks, corners, with interceptions, tackles, all those type things.
(06:51):
Often the lineman you have no stats.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
The only stat to keep of us is whether you held.
Speaker 4 (06:54):
Somebody or you jumped off side. Absolutely, that's the only
positive stats. You know, there's no positive stats. There's only
your best game is when nobody knows who you are,
nobody knew you played exactly. So somebody made the point
that Trent Williams a couple of years ago was so dominant,
had an insane year, like he should be off for
the Play of the Year, but he doesn't have any stats.
It's like, all right, well, in that situation, shouldn't we
come up with an award? Because right now, if you
(07:15):
looked at the league and you said, all right, let's
look across all the teams that are really successful, even
just look at the NFC and AFC championships last year,
you know, and even the final eight man some of
the best offensive lines in the entire NFL. So obviously,
regardless of what we think of all the other talent,
it's a huge factor to why teams have success. Can
we have some kind of an award that really establishes Hey,
(07:36):
these guys are worthy of being recognized for their individual
contributions as well, because they are the only group that's
really excluded from having that opportunity to win an award
for their individual.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
Excellence in a season. And so that's really the basis
of why we want to do it.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
Yeah, when you say, you know, individual war for off
the lineman, I just I'm always on the counter of that.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
I'm like, but it's a group effort for them.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
You know, like you could beat a tackle, but a
be right there, you know, pulling a pulling guard goes
and makes a huge play. Trent William Cumbs pulls makes
a huge play, but it's because you know, the guard
is probably sealed off the edge. Now everybody sort of
slid over and protected them. Like, there's not an individual,
in my mind, an individual Acolae Blake, Oh, he's just
(08:18):
he's the reason why they won the football game.
Speaker 4 (08:20):
Yeah, Well, it's not really within a football game, it's excellence. Right,
So like defensive lineman for example, we can combat here
a little bit. There's a lot of defensive ends to
Trey Hendrickson being one who led the league in sacks
and his defense was god awful. So should Trey Hendrickson
get an individual award for that? No, he shouldn't because
he didn't actually help his team win. So the point
is that when you play a position and you excel
at it, you should be acknowledged for it. And so
(08:41):
I think when you really talk about a lead offensive lineman, yeah,
I think some people are worried that could turn into
a left tackle award because the reality is, you do
have some guys a Laramie Tonesela, Trent Williams. You know,
I look at the right side, though you have Lane Johnson,
you have some guys who individually have a massive impact
on how good they are at their job. And if
it's going to be hard to say all right guards
and centers to your point, will they ever have the
(09:03):
opportunity win the award?
Speaker 3 (09:04):
Really? Are you really just make an attackle award? Right?
Speaker 4 (09:07):
But you know, I think the argument to that is
maybe Jason Kelsey a couple of years ago, you would
say that he's probably in that conversation to win that
and would be a guy who would definitely have wanted
at some point in his career because he's really effective
player and really good. Yeah, Gwen Nelson is a guard.
I mean, there's some guys out there that have that potential.
So I think it's really about establishing not necessarily whether
(09:27):
you I think whether your team has success as a
part of it. But let's just say that, you know,
if we want to say truest measure of performance consistency
over time, who are these guys who year in and year
out from a sack production, from a pressure production, from
their contributions in the run game, from whether they're really
what they are and their team builds it around. They
are that elite guy, and they are the guy that
this offense stresses, because every offense is set up that
(09:49):
way a little bit. There's a guy in that offensive
line group that they go, hey, look these other four,
like we gonna kind of need to use two and
two to help each other. But there's this one guy like,
you're gonna be on you going by, You're gonna be
all by yourself, right, So so you're gonna have to
be that guy. Like Sean McVay always talked about that
in seventeen and eighteen when I first got there. He
was like, hey man, listen, you just on your own, bro,
Like you.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
Here for a reason. We paid you to be here.
Speaker 4 (10:09):
Like you on your own, like the rest of the offense, Like,
we're going to do other things, but you're gonna be
on your own a lot, and that's just what we're
going to do. So there's times when there is guys
that are stressed that way that do need to be acknowledged,
And I think that's really what it's for. It's just
to acknowledge some of those individual efforts that offensive line
have and we will still have.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
If you remember a.
Speaker 4 (10:26):
Couple of years ago, there used to be like a
little bit of an offensive line of award acknowledgement, which
they kind of stopped doing. And I think there will
be some version of that back and that will kind
of lead into who the individual is.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
Do you take it to like the college level and
give it like the random.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
Super old oh yeah, yeah, yeah, you got all the award? Yeah,
I know. I think that.
Speaker 4 (10:45):
I think the idea is to keep it to something
as the Protector of the Year or the shield, something
that kind of just you know, is a symbolic of
the position.
Speaker 3 (10:53):
No names.
Speaker 4 (10:54):
I don't really care ifnybody listen. I don't even care
if anybody knows that anything to do with it. I
just think it's something to be awesome to, you know,
bring some attention to some of the guys who've played
this game for a really long time, made awesome contributions
and should get a chance to be recognized for it.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
No doubt, that's what I'm all about. I want people
to be.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
Recognized off of the lineman.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
That's right.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
How do we at this point, I'm going off for real,
how do we feel about a team drafting off of
the lineman in.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
The first round.
Speaker 4 (11:19):
Well, let's see here. It depends on the situation. I
would say that, you know, it's it's extremely tough, probably
in this day and age, to draft tackles and have
them be all right. First round tackle you're going to
be an excellent player as a young rookie. Because I
think that's now with how much the passing game is,
how much teams are in shotgun all that it is
(11:41):
a whole new skill to learn because it's just so
different than the college game in the sense of how
good defensive ends are. I mean, I know when I
played LSU, I didn't play anybody like I played in
the NFL on Sundays. So even playing in the SEC,
none of those guys were similar to the challenges that
I face as a rookie in the NFL. So I
just think it's a big challenge when you're drafting a
(12:02):
tackle and expecting them to come in and be a
part of a winning team, like, hey, we're going to
play at a certain level and those kind of thing. Yeah,
there's two rare guys, but but you know, if you
went off of year and in year out, the percentage
of those guys very few. It's very few guard center
I could see if you think it's a really talented
kid who can get in there. I'm not saying he's
gonna play at veteran level yet, but there's some guard
(12:24):
center guys that, you know, talent wise, maybe they could
get in there and do that. But I'm okay with
the team doing that in the first round if they
really feel like this guy changes and it's got to
be different. And I say the same thing Cam, and
I'm sure you'd agree that. I even think it end
right like the same thing, like if they're not really
like all right, tell me this specific situation where this
guy is a difference maker, then that's when you really
(12:46):
could say, all right, or what are you we drafting
him for? I think that's really the thing that matters
to most of these teams is if it's free agency
and I'm signing a defensive end or or a tackle,
or it's the draft and I'm going after one of
those guys. Is it for a long term situation, k
In two years we're going to just got to be something,
or is it an immediate need. If it's immediate need,
young offensive lineman in the first round is usually a challenge.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
Now.
Speaker 4 (13:08):
I ate Joe Walt last year. I thought played really
really freaking good for a rookie. But still it's gonna
be a challenge when you're drafting for an immediate need
at offensive line, which I think is the case anywhere
in the draft right If you're drafting for immediate need
off in the lineman, it takes time.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
Yeah, I'm about as is the fan of me.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
I'm like, give me a splash player and the defensi
ligne in me, I'm like, how many actually work out?
Speaker 1 (13:29):
And once I knew those those stats, I was like,
now we're just wasting picks here. I'm like, what do
we you know?
Speaker 4 (13:34):
It's the wild part I think people don't realize is
they want one and then and then it's like, all right,
give me an explosive player. But I think the biggest
thing you see in really D line and O line.
I think this is a huge thing because obviously I
think both of us would agree, we know that's where
the games really started with those two groups. Is when
you miss on those, you miss on O line and
D line in the draft, you pick in the first
(13:54):
two three rounds and you get you go with that
position and you miss it hurts because you can miss
on a speed receiver, you can miss on a skilled
back and like, they're still going to have some contribution,
They're still gonna have some opportunity to help the certain
skills they have, right absolutely, But when you miss on
linemen man that can't get out there and play or
they playing, they're bad.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
Right, You're two.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
Years in just buried them into the depth chart, trying
to ship them off. And I'm like come on, that's
your first round and that's your second round. It's it's impressive,
Like why would you draft him?
Speaker 4 (14:25):
Then you better get that right. And I want a
guy drafting the draft room that knows O line, D
line that's for sure.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
Who you know, and the right coach to develop them.
Speaker 3 (14:36):
Ye.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
It is super important, especially with young young guys in
the trenches like wide receiver.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
I think like, if he's fast, he's fast.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
You know, if if he's a row technician college, you know,
what you're getting def is a line like you can
teach technique office a line you for sure can teach technique.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
Set them up with a vet that knows how to
change the sets. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
Absolutely. What is your stance on the Packers the toush push?
Why is everybody so against it?
Speaker 3 (15:03):
Yeah? I don't really.
Speaker 4 (15:04):
It's one of those that I just don't even think about.
I mean, honestly, don't even think of the play.
Speaker 3 (15:08):
I don't.
Speaker 4 (15:08):
It's one of those I don't understand the idea to
ban it. I get that, like some people are like, hey,
it doesn't look like a normal football player that we're
used to, you know, some of those type things. And
then when you get into like competitive advantages and that
kind of stuff.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
It's like, all right, well, you know.
Speaker 4 (15:24):
You took away that right on field goal, even though
that doesn't count as a regular play, Like we're defensive,
you know, Lineman. I remember when I got in the league.
You know, it's Ray Lewis pushing holoading a guy on
a field goal or extra point and you're just, you know,
put yours cleats in the ground and get prepared for
the back of your helmet to hit the turf. But
it's like, hey, it wasn't fun, but you just held
on for dear life and got the kickoff. But you
know they took that rule out, you know, and so,
(15:45):
but that doesn't pertain to you know, down in and
down out in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (15:47):
It's a special team's play.
Speaker 4 (15:49):
But to me, it's like, why would you take that
one out from a health and safety standpoint and not
take the toush push. That kind of seems like it's
the same idea. But I think that their truth is
they're really good at the play and nobody else he is,
and so teams wanted out. But I don't think there's
a real reason.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
They being the Philadelphia Eagles.
Speaker 3 (16:08):
The Philadelphia Eagles are really good at it.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
Really, that's it. But it only works with Jalen Hurts.
I'm trying to tell people, like, look, I've seen it.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
I've seen you know, the Philadelphia Eagles do it with
a quarterback not named Jalen Hurts and it did not
work out.
Speaker 3 (16:20):
Yeah, So I mean that's what I mean. I don't know.
I think it's silly to get rid of it. I
really do.
Speaker 4 (16:25):
I think we're wasting our time just with something that
is a play that team's really good at. And if
another team could get those specific guys all lined up
and run the play, well, they'd want to do good.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
Absolutely if you don't like it, get them out of
that third and one situation four to one. But you know,
that's that I hear you talk about. You know, you've
got a group of guys that do with like six
(16:55):
am workouts. Yeah it Sean McVay, you know, what what
does that do with your relationship off the field.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
Yeah, it's been it's been. Uh, it's been cool.
Speaker 4 (17:03):
You know, Sean and I this offseason kind of started
training together in the mornings throughout the week, early in
the morning, sometimes five, five thirty six, kind of depends
on when his morning meetings start. But uh, yeah, I
have a gym out here in LA that Cooper Cup
myself got named Ryan Sorenson is our trainer, and and
some other families kind of just went in together and
(17:25):
started our own little private spot where we wanted to
train at. We were during COVID, kind of started from COVID.
We had all basically Ryan had trained all of us.
He used to be one of the top guys at
Proactive and he left and kind of did his own deal.
He was training people in their garages. So we had all,
like because of COVID, built like these garage gyms. Everybody
had him, you know, all the players and you know,
at one time we were kicked out of our facilities
for a while, and so we all kind of built
(17:46):
our own spots. And then Christian Yelich, baseball player for
the Brewers, also trained with Ryan, so he had his
own spot. We were sitting there were like, man like,
I'm ready to get out of my garage working out,
and it was like it's been long enough. You know,
Christians got all this equipment, Coopskyll's equipment I got was like,
do why don't we just get a place together and
put all this in here. It's gonna be the best
weight room in the area because we got everything, Like
(18:06):
we've all we've all had plenty of money to buy
lots of equipment, So we put it all together and
got our own, got ourselves a spot, and Ryan trains
all his clients there. It's called the Village atg and
you know, it's it's awesome, you know. I named it
that because it's kind of those village of people that
have been a part of my whole career and it's fun.
It's cool that that we opened a year ago and
(18:27):
it's already become like Sean trains there, which obviously is
a mass part of my career, like Cooper and Pookah
and Tyler Higbee and and uh you know, Xavier and
Rob Hanstein and a lot that got the old line
now come in there and train with Ryan and uh,
you know, and then still a circle of families that
we did it with. So it really is like our
village of people that we've kind of gotten to know
and live with in La that are all still in there.
Speaker 3 (18:48):
And so it's been really fun. Man.
Speaker 4 (18:50):
It's it's a good opportunity for me as an old
head that's out of the game now to be sitting
on my treadmill doing my little incline walls.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
Hey, are you partaking in the workouts?
Speaker 3 (18:58):
Oh? I work out in the mornings with Sean. We
get after.
Speaker 4 (19:00):
I'm already getting injured. I had the head trainer of
the Rams called me to the day. He goes, Hey, listen,
we got to talk. I got what what's up? He goes, Man,
you are forty three, you played seventeen thousand snaps the NFL.
You've called me more now retired than than I talked
to you when you played with injuries.
Speaker 3 (19:13):
Like, what are we doing?
Speaker 4 (19:14):
Like, let's let's let's stop, Let's go play golf. Kids
going to the treadmill. I'm like, listen, I got a daughter
about to be a freshman in high school. I'm getting
ready for war, you know what I mean. Like, listen,
I hope we're going back to Barbarian days.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
All right.
Speaker 4 (19:27):
I'm trying to be ready right now. But that that
that's really it. It's become. It's awesome, man, It's the time.
I could spend a lot of time up there, hang
out with guys, still have kind of that locker room
feel and also working out, which is just a part
of my passion in life to being being good shape
and get after it.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
I feel like the only reason I know this guy
saw like Sean McVay.
Speaker 4 (19:43):
Yeah like three sixty or something doing Yeah, yeah, we're
doing squats. Yeah he got he got a lot of
fame for that.
Speaker 3 (19:49):
You know.
Speaker 4 (19:49):
Our trainer actually took those videos and we had no idea.
He posted them on his socially and it was like,
oh no, So I later the text around, I go, wait,
did you post those?
Speaker 3 (19:56):
He goes yeah, And I'm like, oh boy, this is
a I knew.
Speaker 4 (19:59):
I already knew Sean doing backsquads is going to go viral,
and sure enough it did.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
Yeah for sure. I mean he was working out like
he was trying to be young.
Speaker 4 (20:07):
Oh listen, he you know, I mean you've been around it.
He believes in himself a lot, so he's already like,
you know, pretty soul that he could like go out
there and run with the guys. Now say, man, we
get to to He's like, the guys are going to
be impressed. Man, I'm put together right now. I'm like, okay, down,
com down.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
It's something to say though, you know, like I've had.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
He loves it, man, Yeah, it is good.
Speaker 4 (20:28):
You think of these coaches, Man, we talk about all
the time, like the stress that's involved with those jobs.
And you're always in the building, You're always watching tape,
You're always like kind of sitting in there having these
conversations where you're constantly pushing yourself mentally and physically to
really like understand what's that next step, what's the next
thing that we can do, what's the next advantage we
can get? And it's high stress and and a lot
(20:48):
of expectation, like we know it. Through social media, through everything,
we see a lot of mental health stuff. And so
I think for him, it's been this awesome like, Man,
get out of my own building and just go get
a workout in with somebody I love and want to
be around, and kind of just have my fellowship time
and then I can kind of, you know, drive the
facility and kind of reset myself before I go into work.
(21:09):
And so I think it's really that opportunity for him
to kind of just mental health type man, just get
myself in a good place before I walk in that door.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
Maybe conditioning he does get in with.
Speaker 4 (21:17):
The team's feeling good, he's he's running on the tread.
Speaker 3 (21:21):
He's trying to hit his top speeds. He thinks he can.
Speaker 4 (21:24):
I got he's gonna he's gonna get in there, and uh,
I think he's gonna try to run some routes for receivers.
I'm gonna guess that's gonna be my guess because it
feels like he's moving right now.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
I'm just saying.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
Look, I remember one year Sean Payton got gotten like
super shaped, super fit shape, and like we were doing
some CrossFit, you know, cross condition respect guy yay, and
he like he knocked it out with the team, and
I was like as many guys as was gripe, and
I was like, bro, you can't let this old man
beat you.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
Man, you get beat by the head coach, right.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
But I was like, A great, he's been doing this,
he's been training for this one of in one situation.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
But that's that's amazing. Brouh.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
A trailer for episode one of the Training at the
Villages came out recently, So yeah, I.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
Said, this is a production.
Speaker 4 (22:06):
Yeah, So Coop and Pooka and them have had a
guy kind of doing content on their workouts.
Speaker 3 (22:10):
You know.
Speaker 4 (22:11):
The receivers man they they're good at that stuff. So uh,
they've been doing that for a while. And he came
to me, he was like, man, can I make kind
of a you know, a little episode of basically Cooper
and Pooka and you know, with Cooper leaving and going
to Seattle, And he's like, I'd love to kind of
document you know, their training together and then before he leaves,
and so uh, he was able to put that together,
and then you know, he showed a little short of
(22:31):
it the other day of Cooper's last day in the gym,
which was was tough.
Speaker 3 (22:35):
Man.
Speaker 4 (22:35):
I mean, we've played long enough, man, you know, it's
a you know, we played, both of us have played
long enough where you get those moments where there's those
guys that leave or go somewhere else or career ins
and you're like, man, that one, that one, that one
hurt a little bit. And so Coop obviously just you know,
he came here as a rookie in seventeen when I
came in free agency, so I've kind of been with
him since he got there. His impact, the man he is,
(22:58):
the way he does things is so rare and so special.
So to kind of see the emotions of him knowing
this kind of his last days. He's kind of going
up to Seattle to make that his home and get
ready to play for the Seahawks. It was it was
an emotional day, but also like a rush of all
the good memories. I mean, we kind of meet Matthew
Stafford came up and watched it too, watched his workout,
Me and him watched him work out and getting caught
(23:19):
the fellowship with him after and it's just like to
talk about all the good times and some of the
good emotions and fun times off the field. I think
sometimes people only think of like football, but you know,
we're thinking the breakfast or the dinners we went to,
or just different moments where funny stuff's happened. It was
good to kind of sit and just have a moment
about some of that.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
At the village.
Speaker 3 (23:38):
You welcome anytime, you Man.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
If only I worked out for real, you know, I'm
big on running.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
I just want to run.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
I just want to be skinny, and I love that
I'm already Big Big comes eas here.
Speaker 3 (23:48):
We always gonna be BIG's same trainer. I tell my
Regie Scotty.
Speaker 4 (23:51):
He told me, hey, listen, man, I walked in one
day He's like, I know you've been really getting after it,
trying to stay lean and stuff. He goes, can I
just tell you something? I said, what's that, Reggie? He goes,
You're gonna die in a big box? And I was like, thanks, Rich,
it's but He's like, no matter what, Bro, you always
gonna be big. Just get get used to it.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
Okay, I don't want to be ready.
Speaker 3 (24:10):
I ain't changed. I could be Okay, I could be
why any big?
Speaker 2 (24:13):
All right, it's Katy b Yeah, I'm already gonna be wide, Like,
let me not be round and one exactly, you know.
Congratulations on the East West Shrine Bowl Hall of Fame.
Speaker 3 (24:24):
Yeah that was. That was a really cool experience. Man.
Got to go down there, go to Dallas. Uh that's
where they had it this year.
Speaker 4 (24:30):
When I was in it, it was in San Antonio,
little remember being in Yeah, a little different setting, but yeah,
I was in Dallas.
Speaker 3 (24:37):
It was a really cool experience. Eddie George is there.
Speaker 4 (24:39):
Got to hang out with him for a while and uh, man,
that was that was really cool.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
It was neat to be there, be in that setting.
Speaker 4 (24:45):
And that also brings back those Russian of emotions right
when I'm twenty twenty one, twenty two, and I'm thinking, man,
how am I probably going to play in the NFL?
Speaker 3 (24:53):
Like what does that even mean?
Speaker 1 (24:54):
What? No, that was that was a confidence booster.
Speaker 3 (24:57):
Listen.
Speaker 4 (24:57):
I was at that game, like man, lsu No. I
was confident on the field. But when I'm sitting there
thinking about the draft and the expectation like that kind
of stuff, You're like, man, you know, you're always living
in that world, like what do I gotta do to
make sure I'm ready for whatever it is that's in
front of you. You know, there's a lot of nerves
and pressure to like train and get after your and
get after it and be like, all right, I'm gonna
be prepared for anything, and little do you know, you're
(25:19):
gonna get there and every single days you may learn
no matter what, but you just gotta be a warrior and.
Speaker 3 (25:23):
Get after it.
Speaker 4 (25:24):
So you had some anxieties, Oh buddy, I've always been
that way really yeah. Oh yeah, always wired up. But
that's what drives me. I Mean, my daughter and I
just had some conversations. She tried out for her high
school dance team yesterday, and I just had a conversation
where like, go Hey, you've been nerved up, but you've
been practicing like I mean literally three four hours, three
nights a week. Like you're exhausted. You have to get
(25:45):
share therapy and stuff because your ankles and your feet
are also messed up with so much dancing. And I
was like, and that's all driven from nerves. And I said,
Daddy was that way, I like, my nerves are would
make me. I would never quit. I would train till
I couldn't take it anymore. And I would work out
and prepare and watch tape and all this stuff. And
I was like, but the day of it, that's when
I like woo sah, and it's like, oh yeah, like
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this this is what I like. I'd always remember when
I was in Cincinnati. I would get our tunnel. I
would get in that tunnel and we always like I
would sit around wait for a second, and I'd always
have this yawn. I would like yawn and I would
smile and be like, oh man, this is like this
is literally like oh man, I almost got I got
so relaxed that I'm like I've put all the work
in and now it was just now it was time.
Speaker 3 (26:27):
Now this is like what I love to do. So
it's like that feeling.
Speaker 4 (26:31):
And so I could see in her like she was excited,
like today's the day to go show what I've done,
you know, And that was cool to just kind of
see her be in that moment.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
Yeah, I mean that's crazy to think about it. It
was like you were you played sixteen years in the league.
Speaker 4 (26:43):
Yeah, but you got I seen Kim our position is
nothing but anxious. It's like the only thing I can
do is jump early, hold or give up a sack.
Speaker 3 (26:50):
So it's like it's like, man, you know, all I
can do is make a mistake.
Speaker 4 (26:56):
Right, Nobody even knows if I do my job, So
the only thing you can do is make a mistake.
Speaker 3 (27:00):
So alignment are always anxious.
Speaker 1 (27:01):
I was gonna say that I see a lot of
old line.
Speaker 4 (27:03):
That's why when y'all get off on the count fast,
we fall apart because we're so anxious we started stepping
all over ourselves.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
Or would used to get me was like the Channa
Jones not get off, like yeah, like he'd delay his
get off, and I'm like, like my whole life I've
been born on like yep, first reaction, first reaction, time
to count.
Speaker 4 (27:19):
He was a pattern guy. So I used to do
that off the white. You know, I faced channel a lot,
had a lot of success against him. And Jared Goff
came out one day to walk through we're about to
play him, and this is Jared Young.
Speaker 3 (27:29):
Jared like, yeah, two or three.
Speaker 4 (27:30):
And he's like, what in the world are you doing?
And I'm out there mimicking Chandler's moves and he's like, wait,
what are you doing? And I'm like, so, Chandler Jones,
you want to understand this. But he's a rhythm and
pattern guy. So what I do when I play people's
like I was never in the NFL some guy who's
like an explosive, get off the ball guy. I learned
to study people's habits and patterns. So I would block
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people in the pattern that they move in, so like
I would move my feet when rhythm with how they move,
like dancing.
Speaker 3 (27:59):
So I would take.
Speaker 4 (28:00):
Sets when I played Chandler really slow, and I would
speed up as I knew his pattern of when exactly
his long arm was going to hit me, and so
I would literally like boom boom, boom boom, like because
I knew that that was the dance that he was
going to take so that's how I blocked him. So
I had to when I would play him those weeks,
I had to ingrain that pattern so I would be
him rather than taking sets, because I would just keep
(28:22):
ingraining in my mind the timing of when that long
arm happens and when he pulls and gets himself around,
and I would just train myself to be ready for
the exact moment that that happens. And so that's what
really helped me have success is because I was long
arm too, So the second I knew his long arms
were coming.
Speaker 3 (28:38):
Shoote, I would shoot mine.
Speaker 4 (28:39):
So I would always wait until the very last second,
and as soon as I knew that it was coming,
I would reach out and grab him as well.
Speaker 2 (28:44):
Hmm, things that you never knew. Who Oh, he was
definitely built on pace and I was like it was.
Speaker 4 (28:50):
Like rusher and then he that some sugs jumped to
count some. But he used to be a big pace
guy too. He loved because he loves us in and out,
so he would like to kind of let you set
a little bit, you know, James Harrison the same way.
He loved to get in and out in that rip.
You know, he wanted to get into you like a boxer,
like Mike Tyson. He wanted to get in tight.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
It was Mike Tyson's side short short, that was his Artok,
hook your outside arm, man, pull himself around.
Speaker 4 (29:16):
He gonna get I used to love him watching young
players because you never felt anything like that in your life.
Got so powerful and he would just stick your arm
out and he'd just grab it and hook himself onto
it and pull himself around like he's slinging himself around
on a tree. And like literally you're like, wait, well, oh,
I just threw him into the quarterback.
Speaker 3 (29:32):
What happened?
Speaker 4 (29:33):
But you're like, I thought I punched him, but you didn't.
He was just waiting for that, so he grab it
and pull himself.
Speaker 3 (29:37):
Man.
Speaker 4 (29:37):
I watched him play Young Players, I'm like, oh, this
dude's in trouble. He's gonna set inside half on this
guy and it's over. So with James, you had to
cover his whole body up because he didn't have an
inside move, So you had to cover him all the
way up and take him on to where he couldn't
grab your arm and get himself around, and then he
would have to move himself and move with him.
Speaker 1 (29:53):
Hmm.
Speaker 3 (29:55):
You know you know, I know.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
All this stuff. That's why my plan was always to
have multiple moves.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
That's it I need. I got to I'm a thief.
I'm a thief. What worked, I'm gonna take that. What
didn't work, I still I still think I can make
it work. I'm adding everything to the books. And I
tell my young guys, I was like, learn from me,
because I almost if I like something from you, I'm
gonna steal it.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2 (30:18):
Another congratulations for being inducted to Louisiana Sports Hall of Fames,
you know, enshrinement that way this year.
Speaker 3 (30:25):
Yeah, this this summer, this summer.
Speaker 4 (30:27):
Yeah, you know, pretty cool, you know, to grow up
in State Louisiana. I played at Western Road High School.
We went fifty eight and two in my four years there,
won three state championships and in the Superdome, and uh so,
I just at that place has always been so special
to me and in a place that all of my
athletic achievements have really like been some moments in there
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at every level. And so it's like, you know, you
grow up in that state. That is the stadium of
the state. It's it's Death Valley and the Superdome, like
since I was a little kid. So to have those
things happen there and then to go win a national
championship at LSU there, you know, is obviously something that
made it even more special. So, you know, to me,
that building, that state and really the accomplishments I got
(31:11):
to have there will always be something that just sticks
in my mind, as you know, one of the coolest
experiences ever to be in your home state and to
win a bunch of championships there is really awesome.
Speaker 2 (31:19):
Man, absolutely state championship, national championship, super Bowl champion who
a lot of winning, a whole lot of winning winners win.
Speaker 3 (31:27):
Baby.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
Is there anything specifically that you can remember from you know,
pinpoint in high school that sort of became the foundation
of what sort of shaped.
Speaker 1 (31:36):
You as off as a lineman that you are. Have
you always been.
Speaker 4 (31:38):
Six', Nine, well, NO i you, know PROBABLY i was
a basketball, player SO i grew up like THINKING i
was gonna be a basketball player in BASEBALL i was
my favorite two favorite. SPORTS i didn't play much football
until high. School AND i had a high school head,
Coach Don, shaws who basically was about five eight and
lived hanging from my face mask and so he Hated he,
(32:00):
literally LIKE i would have thought he hated. Me but
that was his way of, coaching was that he saw
a lot of talent in me and that was this
big basketball player who like he thought he could turn
into a football. Player, uh and he would destroy me every.
Day we'd have games where like we'd get into it
and you, know he kicked me off the, offense and
so the Defense cordner would be, like, oh, shoot if
(32:21):
he's not using, you then you're gonna play d in this.
Game so THEN i would play D n in the
second half or.
Speaker 1 (32:25):
What do you mean he kick you?
Speaker 4 (32:26):
Off he'd literally be Like i'm done dealing with you,
know we get in a huge fight and he'd be,
like you're not playing the rest of the. Game and
So jerry arltch our Defensive cordner would be, like are
you're playing defensive and the rest of the?
Speaker 1 (32:34):
Games what do you what? Else what do you pety?
Speaker 3 (32:35):
Off?
Speaker 1 (32:36):
Of amember?
Speaker 4 (32:37):
Bro he would kick you out all the, time and
so he we would get into, it so literally all
the time would get into, it and SO i would
NEVER i was never good at, it And i'm still.
Not i'm just listening. Coaching you can coach. Me you
can coach me as hard as you want till we
can correct. Anything BUT i tell young guys this all the,
time AND i still believe. It i'm a man from anything.
Else so when that tone gets past coaching and it
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becomes like you're talking to, me, like, oh you're saying
man versus man right, now then let's go find. Out
LIKE i used to always, Say like we Had Mike
zimmer WHEN i was In cincinnati And zim loved And
i'd always walk By zim and be, like hey you,
baby GLAD i didn't play the. Defense he'd be, like
why do you say? THAT i, say you talk to
me like. That we'd be walking outside and find. Out he's,
like you tell Me i'm something Or i'm not.
Speaker 3 (33:18):
This yeahlah blah.
Speaker 4 (33:19):
Blah all, right, Listen i'm fine with that you say.
It let's go outside and find out IF i am though,
right since that's, IT.
Speaker 3 (33:26):
I don't do all.
Speaker 4 (33:27):
That you can correct, me challenge me and come after
me all you. Want don't don't talk like the man
the man with me like you use Something i'm. Not
that ain't gonna fly with.
Speaker 2 (33:37):
Me that only that only affected me AS i became
a man in high, school WHAT i tell, you, LIKE.
Speaker 4 (33:41):
I don't THINK i knew that about, myself BUT i, realized, like, wow,
OKAY i. DON'T i don't handle that. Well and THEN
i got to college, though AND i played Under Nick.
SABAN i, Mean nick get after you every. Day but
WHAT i realized is he Loves See that's the thing
people say that About, nick Like nick's not something hard
coach to play. For he's a standard. Guy there is
(34:02):
a standard every day and if you appreciate the fact,
that no matter, what that standard exists and he is
gonna hold you to, it and he has never backing
down from that standard and no matter, who he didn't
care who it, is, coaches, administrators Like i've watched him
Destroy Skip bertman when he was THE ad and he
won eight national championships as a baseball coach and became
like THE ad, like you, know, man we're gonna let
him ride it out As i've seen him destroy, Him
(34:24):
Like nick would go after anybody if it didn't match
the standard or what he thought we were supposed to
be doing about. Something and SO i got along great
With nick because he'd be, like, MAN i love the fact,
that like you challenge Like i'm a standard, guy so
LIKE i would challenge you at every. Day, hey, COACH
i thought you said this was a, Standard Like i'll
challenge you, too, Right and so we got along. Great
BUT i didn't know that about myself TILL i got to.
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College and then it's like strength, Coach tommy moffit's like
taking you out there one, tens like we're gonna run
them until you guys stop, whining or we're gonna do blahlah.
Blah AND i started to, realize LIKE i love, this
like the more you get after me and, say oh,
man we'll keep running or we'll do this Like i'm,
Smiling i'm not getting. Mad, Yeah i'm like all, right
try me like, That Like i'm built for. This i'm
built for. This so like that's WHEN i started to,
(35:04):
realize like that's where that came.
Speaker 2 (35:06):
From, yeah THAT i let it roll off my. Back
and there ain't no they ain't no way you affected
me unless you affect my playing.
Speaker 1 (35:14):
Time you're not bothering.
Speaker 3 (35:15):
Me now you might bother, me.
Speaker 2 (35:16):
Yeah but other than. That, man, anyways all, right let's.
Question you, know looking around At, TWITTER i saw that
you And fitz got into a little. Beef you know
a little about your stance on guys who die their.
Speaker 4 (35:30):
Beards oh, yeah, yeah you. Know so fitz called me.
Out you, know we have our podcast. Together we have
a lot of. Fun but you, know he had one
of those situations where he knows he's known me. Forever
we played together in two thousand and, eight in two
thousand and seven And, cincinnati and so he's known me. Forever,
well he knew that earlier in my career WHEN i
(35:50):
first started going, GRAY i STARTED i was dying my,
beard and so he's had These, unfortunately fits is one
of those people as a, Teammate Ryan, fitzpatrick you, know
there's certain teammates you don't give. Information AND i had
sent him some funny pictures of my dyed, beards and
he decided that morning he woke up and shose violence
and decided to post a picture of. ME i was
(36:10):
actually going to The Kentucky. DERBY i, think, uh AND
i THAT i had sent him at some point in
our relationship of being. FRIENDS i almost ended our relationship
of being. Friends but that's what he.
Speaker 1 (36:21):
Said he said it almost cost us.
Speaker 4 (36:24):
Gosh he roasted. Me so that that led to some fun.
Conversations you, know fits is always good for.
Speaker 1 (36:30):
That so your stance on dying, beard Now i've.
Speaker 4 (36:33):
Changed NOW i don't. Know you, KNOW i don't do.
It SO i just just embraced the. White and this
is wisdom right.
Speaker 3 (36:38):
Here you know.
Speaker 4 (36:39):
Wisdom, well you can come to me for all the.
QUESTIONS i got all the. Wisdoms oh, Say i'm looking
at this. PICTURE i was, like how long have you?
Speaker 1 (36:43):
Been? Bold?
Speaker 4 (36:44):
Life lived a whole, life SO i so. Listen my high,
school we were, obviously LIKE i, said we were. Successful
our tradition was if you made the, playoffs you had
to buzz your, head like we're, right we'd make every buzzer.
Head the young guys had buzz their, head so we.
BUZZED i. Buzzed they buzzed my head as a, freshman
AND i was, like you know, WHAT i like myself
without hair more THAN i like it with.
Speaker 1 (37:02):
It SO i.
Speaker 4 (37:02):
DIDN'T i didn't like shave, it BUT i kept it
kind of like. Low and then WHEN i got to,
COLLEGE i had like a fade and LIKE i was
like lined, up AND i THOUGHT i was, cool and
THEN i would like shave it a little bit sometimes
and then all of a sudden my rookie year in the,
League i'm, Like i'm gonna grow my hair back.
Speaker 3 (37:18):
Out AND i was, like my hair ain't growing. Back
what's going?
Speaker 1 (37:20):
On got too used to?
Speaker 3 (37:21):
It, no it might literally wouldn't come.
Speaker 4 (37:23):
Back AND i was, like oh, No so there's actually
some Pictures i'm not giving you amo, Right, hey there's
actually some pictures like a young player me on the
sideline like WHERE i was trying to grow it, back
and it's, like oh, no like this dude has hair
here and there's none up. Top AND i was like
twenty four years, old so it's. CRAZY i already bought,
Inside oh. Buddy so THEN i just, said you know,
what we got to hit that. Razor so you letting
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me have been friends for a long, time you, Know
i'd just let my head about two or three times
a week since.
Speaker 3 (37:49):
Then been a long.
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Speaker 1 (39:41):
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Will be here And i'll be holding it down for
the foreseeable, future all and off the.
Speaker 1 (39:47):
Field take it. Easy god bless, peace
All right, here we go, welcome on in on a
great morning.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
And for me, it's a great morning because I get
an interview. One of my guys I looked up to
in this league had a sixteen year career.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
And I was like, Lord, how do I get there?
Speaker 2 (00:21):
And now I'm heading the year fifteen, So you know,
I think, yeah, we're fighting either way. We talked about
mister Andrew Whitworth, a Louisiana native himself. Well, I guess
I'm not a native because he's moved out to California.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
Yeah. I don't know if they claim me anymore.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
But you know, Louisian's very own Super Bowl champ fifty
six with the.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
Los Angeles Rams.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
Walk off home running was what I call it, you know,
win a Super Bowl. Hey, I'm retired. You've had a
hell of career as a four time pro bowler, you know,
going to East West Shrine Shrine game. Oh college, gay,
I love, I love when I get a little college
things already, you know, inducted to the Louisiana Sports Hall
of Fame.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
Again, it was a very own native.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
But like you know, Walter Payton NFL Man of the
Year twenty twenty one, same year you want a Super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
Just a that's a good little week, you know, solid,
solid as they come.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
I appreciate you to tapping in with it with the
podcast Off the Edge of Me, your host and now
my guy Andrew Whitworth. When I say I'm just excited
for you to come in, I mean, everybody knows you're
a great guy, you know, and and the battles that
we've had when you were at the Rams were fun.
I'm just thinking, I got I actually got to I
actually got to play on your side, which, yeah, you know,
(01:31):
you're a left tackle. I think one of the games
at the Rams, I came over, I was given haven't
seen work, and they're like, hey, we're just locking up somebody.
I was like, all right, I'm going over there. They
started running your way and I was like.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
I need that.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
Yeah, those are good days.
Speaker 4 (01:46):
Unfortunately, in the Coliseum we were the well I guess
you know so far it's been that way a little
bit too. But unfortunately the Coliseum we were always the
away team, even though we were playing at home with
the fans.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
That was rough.
Speaker 4 (01:55):
Silent count at home is just a it's a good
way to just really take an ego just cut it
right now?
Speaker 1 (01:59):
How does yeah, how does that work? Because LA fans
are there for the event?
Speaker 3 (02:04):
Well, yeah, I mean it's La.
Speaker 4 (02:06):
Listen. I will say this. I always said this when
I was playing. You want a lot of Rams fans there.
I wish more showed up in some of those situations
where we had a bigger fan base. But when you
moved the team to Saint Louis and you move it
all the way back, you've kind of done.
Speaker 3 (02:17):
That yourself a little bit.
Speaker 4 (02:18):
And let's be honest, if I was sitting there saying, hey,
there's about five other things I can think of I'd
want to do on a Sunday in LA and go
to sit in a football game.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
So there's some pretty cool cool spots to going.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
There's not. I don't care what it is. If football
is always king.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
Like, I don't know, clearly I'm biased. I'm like, no,
there's nothing I'd rather do than go watch football.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
No, no, I'll watch football.
Speaker 4 (02:38):
I'll just watch it from Malibu at the beach while
somebody's you know, serving me lunch or something that'd be great,
you know, go to Nobuu Malibu, go to Soho Malibu
on a TV watch it.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
I want the energy like when I see the energy,
I want that so like you know, but you've seen,
You've seen a good old, the new one, a super
dome like this unmad energy, like you can't watch it.
You can't catch set energy from the from the TV set.
Sitting at the crib, being at a at a bar is.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
Not hitting the same.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
No, it's not. It's still one of the most epic
moments in my life.
Speaker 4 (03:07):
Winning the National Championship at unless you in New Orleans
an hour away from Baton Rouge was one of the
coolest experiences ever. That felt like we were rock stars
for the entire week because the whole freaking state of
Louisiana was at the game.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
I could believe that I was like two things, that
two things Louisiana gonna do.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
Support their Saints and if bat Rouge on up, support
them them them Tigers.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
Yes sir, and yeah national chimps could be I could imagine, Oh.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
My, it was good.
Speaker 4 (03:34):
Yeah, let's just say, you know, we didn't have nil then,
but we weren't paying for much in New Orleans.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
Man assure you that for sure, look at it.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
I already knew, like I said, sec, yeah, you ain't
gotta lie to me. I'd be like I've been telling
people for years like n I L is just everybody
catching up.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
To everybody else.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
Yeah, like come on stop it. But uh, you've been
a pro bowler.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
How do you compare that to Walter paper Man NFL
Man of the Year. I've been a nominee I think
like three or four times now, but you winning.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
That, you know in LA. Yeah, those those La Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
Yeah, that was a cool week.
Speaker 4 (04:10):
I mean you think of being in the Super Bowl
and then also I've been a nominee a bunch of times,
but to be here in LA in a super Bowl
in our stadium, and then also be up for the
award and then to find out you want it was
pretty crazy. Now, I will say that the fun part
of that day is, you know, you get told on
Tuesday or Wednesday, Hey, you know he want you to
(04:31):
come to honors blah blahlah blah. And you know that
kind of means, well, man, it's I'm playing in the
game and they really want me to come. This guy,
I got to be in the final three or in
the runnings or finalists.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
Something got to happen.
Speaker 4 (04:41):
Then it's like all right, you know I Cooper cup
is going to win Offensive Player of the Year, so
they had to tell him because he wouldn't go because
he's playing in the game. So like Cooper, he's got
to go. So you two are going to travel together.
So we we adjust our practice schedule that day. So
then I'm like, we got to be winning. Like they're
adjusting the practice schedule. We must to be about to win,
you know, these awards. So we adjust our practice schedule.
(05:03):
We get to the house to all ride together. Somebody
forgot to book the car service. So the only good
part was that the police patrol that was going to
guide us to the stadium, because I mean, like I
told you earlier today, we're about two hours from Sofa Stadium.
So the police patrol is going to guide us shows
up and they're like, can y'all drive your cars? Like yeah,
(05:23):
we'll drive, Like all right, let's do this. We let
up the kids, the families getting two cars. It was
the coolest experience ever. These guys are moving cars all
over the one on one in the four or five,
and we were hauling.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
But two regular cars just going down.
Speaker 4 (05:34):
We pull up to the theater and just park right
out front of it. And Cooper just jumps out. He
literally was getting his award like three minutes. They ran
him to the stage like we're in a sweat still
basically in our suits. I luckily was last, so I
got to go chill out in the green room for
a minute, right, But it was a funny experience.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
Just that whole night was pretty amazing.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
I hear you been pushing for you know, in an
individual ward for office alignment.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
Yep.
Speaker 4 (05:57):
Why you know, it's really one of those things that
came up. Some guys are kind of talking about.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
It, Dawkins over at Buffalo.
Speaker 4 (06:04):
Yeah, and so I think that, you know, really, you know,
Dawkins brought it up, some guys that brought it up
over the years. But really it's one of those things
that at honors, if you think about potential to win
an award, right, so let's just put in forget, what
do you think of who should have an award or
not have an award? The potential to win an award,
So for an offensive lineman, offensive player of the year,
defensive player of the year, any position can really win
(06:27):
those that are stat driven. So you look at it,
Cooper Cup won it. You know, his stats, you know
you've seen Lamar Jackson, you know, Josh Allens and these
guys being those conversations, Christian McCaffrey, Sakuon Barkley, all stat
driven award type stuff for offensive players, scoring touchdowns, yards,
all that. Then defensively you have you know, defensive linement
obviously with sacks, corners, with interceptions, tackles, all those type things.
(06:51):
Often the lineman you have no stats.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
The only stat to keep of us is whether you held.
Speaker 4 (06:54):
Somebody or you jumped off side. Absolutely, that's the only
positive stats. You know, there's no positive stats. There's only
your best game is when nobody knows who you are,
nobody knew you played exactly. So somebody made the point
that Trent Williams a couple of years ago was so dominant,
had an insane year, like he should be off for
the Play of the Year, but he doesn't have any stats.
It's like, all right, well, in that situation, shouldn't we
come up with an award? Because right now, if you
(07:15):
looked at the league and you said, all right, let's
look across all the teams that are really successful, even
just look at the NFC and AFC championships last year,
you know, and even the final eight man some of
the best offensive lines in the entire NFL. So obviously,
regardless of what we think of all the other talent,
it's a huge factor to why teams have success. Can
we have some kind of an award that really establishes Hey,
(07:36):
these guys are worthy of being recognized for their individual
contributions as well, because they are the only group that's
really excluded from having that opportunity to win an award
for their individual.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
Excellence in a season. And so that's really the basis
of why we want to do it.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
Yeah, when you say, you know, individual war for off
the lineman, I just I'm always on the counter of that.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
I'm like, but it's a group effort for them.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
You know, like you could beat a tackle, but a
be right there, you know, pulling a pulling guard goes
and makes a huge play. Trent William Cumbs pulls makes
a huge play, but it's because you know, the guard
is probably sealed off the edge. Now everybody sort of
slid over and protected them. Like, there's not an individual,
in my mind, an individual Acolae Blake, Oh, he's just
(08:18):
he's the reason why they won the football game.
Speaker 4 (08:20):
Yeah, Well, it's not really within a football game, it's excellence. Right,
So like defensive lineman for example, we can combat here
a little bit. There's a lot of defensive ends to
Trey Hendrickson being one who led the league in sacks
and his defense was god awful. So should Trey Hendrickson
get an individual award for that? No, he shouldn't because
he didn't actually help his team win. So the point
is that when you play a position and you excel
at it, you should be acknowledged for it. And so
(08:41):
I think when you really talk about a lead offensive lineman, yeah,
I think some people are worried that could turn into
a left tackle award because the reality is, you do
have some guys a Laramie Tonesela, Trent Williams. You know,
I look at the right side, though you have Lane Johnson,
you have some guys who individually have a massive impact
on how good they are at their job. And if
it's going to be hard to say all right guards
and centers to your point, will they ever have the
(09:03):
opportunity win the award?
Speaker 3 (09:04):
Really? Are you really just make an attackle award? Right?
Speaker 4 (09:07):
But you know, I think the argument to that is
maybe Jason Kelsey a couple of years ago, you would
say that he's probably in that conversation to win that
and would be a guy who would definitely have wanted
at some point in his career because he's really effective
player and really good. Yeah, Gwen Nelson is a guard.
I mean, there's some guys out there that have that potential.
So I think it's really about establishing not necessarily whether
(09:27):
you I think whether your team has success as a
part of it. But let's just say that, you know,
if we want to say truest measure of performance consistency
over time, who are these guys who year in and year
out from a sack production, from a pressure production, from
their contributions in the run game, from whether they're really
what they are and their team builds it around. They
are that elite guy, and they are the guy that
this offense stresses, because every offense is set up that
(09:49):
way a little bit. There's a guy in that offensive
line group that they go, hey, look these other four,
like we gonna kind of need to use two and
two to help each other. But there's this one guy like,
you're gonna be on you going by, You're gonna be
all by yourself, right, So so you're gonna have to
be that guy. Like Sean McVay always talked about that
in seventeen and eighteen when I first got there. He
was like, hey man, listen, you just on your own, bro,
Like you.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
Here for a reason. We paid you to be here.
Speaker 4 (10:09):
Like you on your own, like the rest of the offense, Like,
we're going to do other things, but you're gonna be
on your own a lot, and that's just what we're
going to do. So there's times when there is guys
that are stressed that way that do need to be acknowledged,
And I think that's really what it's for. It's just
to acknowledge some of those individual efforts that offensive line
have and we will still have.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
If you remember a.
Speaker 4 (10:26):
Couple of years ago, there used to be like a
little bit of an offensive line of award acknowledgement, which
they kind of stopped doing. And I think there will
be some version of that back and that will kind
of lead into who the individual is.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
Do you take it to like the college level and
give it like the random.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
Super old oh yeah, yeah, yeah, you got all the award? Yeah,
I know. I think that.
Speaker 4 (10:45):
I think the idea is to keep it to something
as the Protector of the Year or the shield, something
that kind of just you know, is a symbolic of
the position.
Speaker 3 (10:53):
No names.
Speaker 4 (10:54):
I don't really care ifnybody listen. I don't even care
if anybody knows that anything to do with it. I
just think it's something to be awesome to, you know,
bring some attention to some of the guys who've played
this game for a really long time, made awesome contributions
and should get a chance to be recognized for it.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
No doubt, that's what I'm all about. I want people
to be.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
Recognized off of the lineman.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
That's right.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
How do we at this point, I'm going off for real,
how do we feel about a team drafting off of
the lineman in.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
The first round.
Speaker 4 (11:19):
Well, let's see here. It depends on the situation. I
would say that, you know, it's it's extremely tough, probably
in this day and age, to draft tackles and have
them be all right. First round tackle you're going to
be an excellent player as a young rookie. Because I
think that's now with how much the passing game is,
how much teams are in shotgun all that it is
(11:41):
a whole new skill to learn because it's just so
different than the college game in the sense of how
good defensive ends are. I mean, I know when I
played LSU, I didn't play anybody like I played in
the NFL on Sundays. So even playing in the SEC,
none of those guys were similar to the challenges that
I face as a rookie in the NFL. So I
just think it's a big challenge when you're drafting a
(12:02):
tackle and expecting them to come in and be a
part of a winning team, like, hey, we're going to
play at a certain level and those kind of thing. Yeah,
there's two rare guys, but but you know, if you
went off of year and in year out, the percentage
of those guys very few. It's very few guard center
I could see if you think it's a really talented
kid who can get in there. I'm not saying he's
gonna play at veteran level yet, but there's some guard
(12:24):
center guys that, you know, talent wise, maybe they could
get in there and do that. But I'm okay with
the team doing that in the first round if they
really feel like this guy changes and it's got to
be different. And I say the same thing Cam, and
I'm sure you'd agree that. I even think it end
right like the same thing, like if they're not really
like all right, tell me this specific situation where this
guy is a difference maker, then that's when you really
(12:46):
could say, all right, or what are you we drafting
him for? I think that's really the thing that matters
to most of these teams is if it's free agency
and I'm signing a defensive end or or a tackle,
or it's the draft and I'm going after one of
those guys. Is it for a long term situation, k
In two years we're going to just got to be something,
or is it an immediate need. If it's immediate need,
young offensive lineman in the first round is usually a challenge.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
Now.
Speaker 4 (13:08):
I ate Joe Walt last year. I thought played really
really freaking good for a rookie. But still it's gonna
be a challenge when you're drafting for an immediate need
at offensive line, which I think is the case anywhere
in the draft right If you're drafting for immediate need
off in the lineman, it takes time.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
Yeah, I'm about as is the fan of me.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
I'm like, give me a splash player and the defensi
ligne in me, I'm like, how many actually work out?
Speaker 1 (13:29):
And once I knew those those stats, I was like,
now we're just wasting picks here. I'm like, what do
we you know?
Speaker 4 (13:34):
It's the wild part I think people don't realize is
they want one and then and then it's like, all right,
give me an explosive player. But I think the biggest
thing you see in really D line and O line.
I think this is a huge thing because obviously I
think both of us would agree, we know that's where
the games really started with those two groups. Is when
you miss on those, you miss on O line and
D line in the draft, you pick in the first
(13:54):
two three rounds and you get you go with that
position and you miss it hurts because you can miss
on a speed receiver, you can miss on a skilled
back and like, they're still going to have some contribution,
They're still gonna have some opportunity to help the certain
skills they have, right absolutely, But when you miss on
linemen man that can't get out there and play or
they playing, they're bad.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
Right, You're two.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
Years in just buried them into the depth chart, trying
to ship them off. And I'm like come on, that's
your first round and that's your second round. It's it's impressive,
Like why would you draft him?
Speaker 4 (14:25):
Then you better get that right. And I want a
guy drafting the draft room that knows O line, D
line that's for sure.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
Who you know, and the right coach to develop them.
Speaker 3 (14:36):
Ye.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
It is super important, especially with young young guys in
the trenches like wide receiver.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
I think like, if he's fast, he's fast.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
You know, if if he's a row technician college, you know,
what you're getting def is a line like you can
teach technique office a line you for sure can teach technique.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
Set them up with a vet that knows how to
change the sets. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
Absolutely. What is your stance on the Packers the toush push?
Why is everybody so against it?
Speaker 3 (15:03):
Yeah? I don't really.
Speaker 4 (15:04):
It's one of those that I just don't even think about.
I mean, honestly, don't even think of the play.
Speaker 3 (15:08):
I don't.
Speaker 4 (15:08):
It's one of those I don't understand the idea to
ban it. I get that, like some people are like, hey,
it doesn't look like a normal football player that we're
used to, you know, some of those type things. And
then when you get into like competitive advantages and that
kind of stuff.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
It's like, all right, well, you know.
Speaker 4 (15:24):
You took away that right on field goal, even though
that doesn't count as a regular play, Like we're defensive,
you know, Lineman. I remember when I got in the league.
You know, it's Ray Lewis pushing holoading a guy on
a field goal or extra point and you're just, you know,
put yours cleats in the ground and get prepared for
the back of your helmet to hit the turf. But
it's like, hey, it wasn't fun, but you just held
on for dear life and got the kickoff. But you
know they took that rule out, you know, and so,
(15:45):
but that doesn't pertain to you know, down in and
down out in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (15:47):
It's a special team's play.
Speaker 4 (15:49):
But to me, it's like, why would you take that
one out from a health and safety standpoint and not
take the toush push. That kind of seems like it's
the same idea. But I think that their truth is
they're really good at the play and nobody else he is,
and so teams wanted out. But I don't think there's
a real reason.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
They being the Philadelphia Eagles.
Speaker 3 (16:08):
The Philadelphia Eagles are really good at it.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
Really, that's it. But it only works with Jalen Hurts.
I'm trying to tell people, like, look, I've seen it.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
I've seen you know, the Philadelphia Eagles do it with
a quarterback not named Jalen Hurts and it did not
work out.
Speaker 3 (16:20):
Yeah, So I mean that's what I mean. I don't know.
I think it's silly to get rid of it. I
really do.
Speaker 4 (16:25):
I think we're wasting our time just with something that
is a play that team's really good at. And if
another team could get those specific guys all lined up
and run the play, well, they'd want to do good.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
Absolutely if you don't like it, get them out of
that third and one situation four to one. But you know,
that's that I hear you talk about. You know, you've
got a group of guys that do with like six
(16:55):
am workouts. Yeah it Sean McVay, you know, what what
does that do with your relationship off the field.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
Yeah, it's been it's been. Uh, it's been cool.
Speaker 4 (17:03):
You know, Sean and I this offseason kind of started
training together in the mornings throughout the week, early in
the morning, sometimes five, five thirty six, kind of depends
on when his morning meetings start. But uh, yeah, I
have a gym out here in LA that Cooper Cup
myself got named Ryan Sorenson is our trainer, and and
some other families kind of just went in together and
(17:25):
started our own little private spot where we wanted to
train at. We were during COVID, kind of started from COVID.
We had all basically Ryan had trained all of us.
He used to be one of the top guys at
Proactive and he left and kind of did his own deal.
He was training people in their garages. So we had all,
like because of COVID, built like these garage gyms. Everybody
had him, you know, all the players and you know,
at one time we were kicked out of our facilities
for a while, and so we all kind of built
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our own spots. And then Christian Yelich, baseball player for
the Brewers, also trained with Ryan, so he had his
own spot. We were sitting there were like, man like,
I'm ready to get out of my garage working out,
and it was like it's been long enough. You know,
Christians got all this equipment, Coopskyll's equipment I got was like,
do why don't we just get a place together and
put all this in here. It's gonna be the best
weight room in the area because we got everything, Like
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we've all we've all had plenty of money to buy
lots of equipment, So we put it all together and
got our own, got ourselves a spot, and Ryan trains
all his clients there. It's called the Village atg and
you know, it's it's awesome, you know. I named it
that because it's kind of those village of people that
have been a part of my whole career and it's fun.
It's cool that that we opened a year ago and
(18:27):
it's already become like Sean trains there, which obviously is
a mass part of my career, like Cooper and Pookah
and Tyler Higbee and and uh you know, Xavier and
Rob Hanstein and a lot that got the old line
now come in there and train with Ryan and uh,
you know, and then still a circle of families that
we did it with. So it really is like our
village of people that we've kind of gotten to know
and live with in La that are all still in there.
Speaker 3 (18:48):
And so it's been really fun. Man.
Speaker 4 (18:50):
It's it's a good opportunity for me as an old
head that's out of the game now to be sitting
on my treadmill doing my little incline walls.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
Hey, are you partaking in the workouts?
Speaker 3 (18:58):
Oh? I work out in the mornings with Sean. We
get after.
Speaker 4 (19:00):
I'm already getting injured. I had the head trainer of
the Rams called me to the day. He goes, Hey, listen,
we got to talk. I got what what's up? He goes, Man,
you are forty three, you played seventeen thousand snaps the NFL.
You've called me more now retired than than I talked
to you when you played with injuries.
Speaker 3 (19:13):
Like, what are we doing?
Speaker 4 (19:14):
Like, let's let's let's stop, Let's go play golf. Kids
going to the treadmill. I'm like, listen, I got a daughter
about to be a freshman in high school. I'm getting
ready for war, you know what I mean. Like, listen,
I hope we're going back to Barbarian days.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
All right.
Speaker 4 (19:27):
I'm trying to be ready right now. But that that
that's really it. It's become. It's awesome, man, It's the time.
I could spend a lot of time up there, hang
out with guys, still have kind of that locker room
feel and also working out, which is just a part
of my passion in life to being being good shape
and get after it.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
I feel like the only reason I know this guy
saw like Sean McVay.
Speaker 4 (19:43):
Yeah like three sixty or something doing Yeah, yeah, we're
doing squats. Yeah he got he got a lot of
fame for that.
Speaker 3 (19:49):
You know.
Speaker 4 (19:49):
Our trainer actually took those videos and we had no idea.
He posted them on his socially and it was like,
oh no, So I later the text around, I go, wait,
did you post those?
Speaker 3 (19:56):
He goes yeah, And I'm like, oh boy, this is
a I knew.
Speaker 4 (19:59):
I already knew Sean doing backsquads is going to go viral,
and sure enough it did.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
Yeah for sure. I mean he was working out like
he was trying to be young.
Speaker 4 (20:07):
Oh listen, he you know, I mean you've been around it.
He believes in himself a lot, so he's already like,
you know, pretty soul that he could like go out
there and run with the guys. Now say, man, we
get to to He's like, the guys are going to
be impressed. Man, I'm put together right now. I'm like, okay, down,
com down.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
It's something to say though, you know, like I've had.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
He loves it, man, Yeah, it is good.
Speaker 4 (20:28):
You think of these coaches, Man, we talk about all
the time, like the stress that's involved with those jobs.
And you're always in the building, You're always watching tape,
You're always like kind of sitting in there having these
conversations where you're constantly pushing yourself mentally and physically to
really like understand what's that next step, what's the next
thing that we can do, what's the next advantage we
can get? And it's high stress and and a lot
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of expectation, like we know it. Through social media, through everything,
we see a lot of mental health stuff. And so
I think for him, it's been this awesome like, Man,
get out of my own building and just go get
a workout in with somebody I love and want to
be around, and kind of just have my fellowship time
and then I can kind of, you know, drive the
facility and kind of reset myself before I go into work.
(21:09):
And so I think it's really that opportunity for him
to kind of just mental health type man, just get
myself in a good place before I walk in that door.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
Maybe conditioning he does get in with.
Speaker 4 (21:17):
The team's feeling good, he's he's running on the tread.
Speaker 3 (21:21):
He's trying to hit his top speeds. He thinks he can.
Speaker 4 (21:24):
I got he's gonna he's gonna get in there, and uh,
I think he's gonna try to run some routes for receivers.
I'm gonna guess that's gonna be my guess because it
feels like he's moving right now.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
I'm just saying.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
Look, I remember one year Sean Payton got gotten like
super shaped, super fit shape, and like we were doing
some CrossFit, you know, cross condition respect guy yay, and
he like he knocked it out with the team, and
I was like as many guys as was gripe, and
I was like, bro, you can't let this old man
beat you.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
Man, you get beat by the head coach, right.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
But I was like, A great, he's been doing this,
he's been training for this one of in one situation.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
But that's that's amazing. Brouh.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
A trailer for episode one of the Training at the
Villages came out recently, So yeah, I.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
Said, this is a production.
Speaker 4 (22:06):
Yeah, So Coop and Pooka and them have had a
guy kind of doing content on their workouts.
Speaker 3 (22:10):
You know.
Speaker 4 (22:11):
The receivers man they they're good at that stuff. So uh,
they've been doing that for a while. And he came
to me, he was like, man, can I make kind
of a you know, a little episode of basically Cooper
and Pooka and you know, with Cooper leaving and going
to Seattle, And he's like, I'd love to kind of
document you know, their training together and then before he leaves,
and so uh, he was able to put that together,
and then you know, he showed a little short of
(22:31):
it the other day of Cooper's last day in the gym,
which was was tough.
Speaker 3 (22:35):
Man.
Speaker 4 (22:35):
I mean, we've played long enough, man, you know, it's
a you know, we played, both of us have played
long enough where you get those moments where there's those
guys that leave or go somewhere else or career ins
and you're like, man, that one, that one, that one
hurt a little bit. And so Coop obviously just you know,
he came here as a rookie in seventeen when I
came in free agency, so I've kind of been with
him since he got there. His impact, the man he is,
(22:58):
the way he does things is so rare and so special.
So to kind of see the emotions of him knowing
this kind of his last days. He's kind of going
up to Seattle to make that his home and get
ready to play for the Seahawks. It was it was
an emotional day, but also like a rush of all
the good memories. I mean, we kind of meet Matthew
Stafford came up and watched it too, watched his workout,
Me and him watched him work out and getting caught
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the fellowship with him after and it's just like to
talk about all the good times and some of the
good emotions and fun times off the field. I think
sometimes people only think of like football, but you know,
we're thinking the breakfast or the dinners we went to,
or just different moments where funny stuff's happened. It was
good to kind of sit and just have a moment
about some of that.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
At the village.
Speaker 3 (23:38):
You welcome anytime, you Man.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
If only I worked out for real, you know, I'm
big on running.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
I just want to run.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
I just want to be skinny, and I love that
I'm already Big Big comes eas here.
Speaker 3 (23:48):
We always gonna be BIG's same trainer. I tell my
Regie Scotty.
Speaker 4 (23:51):
He told me, hey, listen, man, I walked in one
day He's like, I know you've been really getting after it,
trying to stay lean and stuff. He goes, can I
just tell you something? I said, what's that, Reggie? He goes,
You're gonna die in a big box? And I was like, thanks, Rich,
it's but He's like, no matter what, Bro, you always
gonna be big. Just get get used to it.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
Okay, I don't want to be ready.
Speaker 3 (24:10):
I ain't changed. I could be Okay, I could be
why any big?
Speaker 2 (24:13):
All right, it's Katy b Yeah, I'm already gonna be wide, Like,
let me not be round and one exactly, you know.
Congratulations on the East West Shrine Bowl Hall of Fame.
Speaker 3 (24:24):
Yeah that was. That was a really cool experience. Man.
Got to go down there, go to Dallas. Uh that's
where they had it this year.
Speaker 4 (24:30):
When I was in it, it was in San Antonio,
little remember being in Yeah, a little different setting, but yeah,
I was in Dallas.
Speaker 3 (24:37):
It was a really cool experience. Eddie George is there.
Speaker 4 (24:39):
Got to hang out with him for a while and uh, man,
that was that was really cool.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
It was neat to be there, be in that setting.
Speaker 4 (24:45):
And that also brings back those Russian of emotions right
when I'm twenty twenty one, twenty two, and I'm thinking, man,
how am I probably going to play in the NFL?
Speaker 3 (24:53):
Like what does that even mean?
Speaker 1 (24:54):
What? No, that was that was a confidence booster.
Speaker 3 (24:57):
Listen.
Speaker 4 (24:57):
I was at that game, like man, lsu No. I
was confident on the field. But when I'm sitting there
thinking about the draft and the expectation like that kind
of stuff, You're like, man, you know, you're always living
in that world, like what do I gotta do to
make sure I'm ready for whatever it is that's in
front of you. You know, there's a lot of nerves
and pressure to like train and get after your and
get after it and be like, all right, I'm gonna
be prepared for anything, and little do you know, you're
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gonna get there and every single days you may learn
no matter what, but you just gotta be a warrior and.
Speaker 3 (25:23):
Get after it.
Speaker 4 (25:24):
So you had some anxieties, Oh buddy, I've always been
that way really yeah. Oh yeah, always wired up. But
that's what drives me. I Mean, my daughter and I
just had some conversations. She tried out for her high
school dance team yesterday, and I just had a conversation
where like, go Hey, you've been nerved up, but you've
been practicing like I mean literally three four hours, three
nights a week. Like you're exhausted. You have to get
(25:45):
share therapy and stuff because your ankles and your feet
are also messed up with so much dancing. And I
was like, and that's all driven from nerves. And I said,
Daddy was that way, I like, my nerves are would
make me. I would never quit. I would train till
I couldn't take it anymore. And I would work out
and prepare and watch tape and all this stuff. And
I was like, but the day of it, that's when
I like woo sah, and it's like, oh yeah, like
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this this is what I like. I'd always remember when
I was in Cincinnati. I would get our tunnel. I
would get in that tunnel and we always like I
would sit around wait for a second, and I'd always
have this yawn. I would like yawn and I would
smile and be like, oh man, this is like this
is literally like oh man, I almost got I got
so relaxed that I'm like I've put all the work
in and now it was just now it was time.
Speaker 3 (26:27):
Now this is like what I love to do. So
it's like that feeling.
Speaker 4 (26:31):
And so I could see in her like she was excited,
like today's the day to go show what I've done,
you know, And that was cool to just kind of
see her be in that moment.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
Yeah, I mean that's crazy to think about it. It
was like you were you played sixteen years in the league.
Speaker 4 (26:43):
Yeah, but you got I seen Kim our position is
nothing but anxious. It's like the only thing I can
do is jump early, hold or give up a sack.
Speaker 3 (26:50):
So it's like it's like, man, you know, all I
can do is make a mistake.
Speaker 4 (26:56):
Right, Nobody even knows if I do my job, So
the only thing you can do is make a mistake.
Speaker 3 (27:00):
So alignment are always anxious.
Speaker 1 (27:01):
I was gonna say that I see a lot of
old line.
Speaker 4 (27:03):
That's why when y'all get off on the count fast,
we fall apart because we're so anxious we started stepping
all over ourselves.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
Or would used to get me was like the Channa
Jones not get off, like yeah, like he'd delay his
get off, and I'm like, like my whole life I've
been born on like yep, first reaction, first reaction, time
to count.
Speaker 4 (27:19):
He was a pattern guy. So I used to do
that off the white. You know, I faced channel a lot,
had a lot of success against him. And Jared Goff
came out one day to walk through we're about to
play him, and this is Jared Young.
Speaker 3 (27:29):
Jared like, yeah, two or three.
Speaker 4 (27:30):
And he's like, what in the world are you doing?
And I'm out there mimicking Chandler's moves and he's like, wait,
what are you doing? And I'm like, so, Chandler Jones,
you want to understand this. But he's a rhythm and
pattern guy. So what I do when I play people's
like I was never in the NFL some guy who's
like an explosive, get off the ball guy. I learned
to study people's habits and patterns. So I would block
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people in the pattern that they move in, so like
I would move my feet when rhythm with how they move,
like dancing.
Speaker 3 (27:59):
So I would take.
Speaker 4 (28:00):
Sets when I played Chandler really slow, and I would
speed up as I knew his pattern of when exactly
his long arm was going to hit me, and so
I would literally like boom boom, boom boom, like because
I knew that that was the dance that he was
going to take so that's how I blocked him. So
I had to when I would play him those weeks,
I had to ingrain that pattern so I would be
him rather than taking sets, because I would just keep
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ingraining in my mind the timing of when that long
arm happens and when he pulls and gets himself around,
and I would just train myself to be ready for
the exact moment that that happens. And so that's what
really helped me have success is because I was long
arm too, So the second I knew his long arms
were coming.
Speaker 3 (28:38):
Shoote, I would shoot mine.
Speaker 4 (28:39):
So I would always wait until the very last second,
and as soon as I knew that it was coming,
I would reach out and grab him as well.
Speaker 2 (28:44):
Hmm, things that you never knew. Who Oh, he was
definitely built on pace and I was like it was.
Speaker 4 (28:50):
Like rusher and then he that some sugs jumped to
count some. But he used to be a big pace
guy too. He loved because he loves us in and out,
so he would like to kind of let you set
a little bit, you know, James Harrison the same way.
He loved to get in and out in that rip.
You know, he wanted to get into you like a boxer,
like Mike Tyson. He wanted to get in tight.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
It was Mike Tyson's side short short, that was his Artok,
hook your outside arm, man, pull himself around.
Speaker 4 (29:16):
He gonna get I used to love him watching young
players because you never felt anything like that in your life.
Got so powerful and he would just stick your arm
out and he'd just grab it and hook himself onto
it and pull himself around like he's slinging himself around
on a tree. And like literally you're like, wait, well, oh,
I just threw him into the quarterback.
Speaker 3 (29:32):
What happened?
Speaker 4 (29:33):
But you're like, I thought I punched him, but you didn't.
He was just waiting for that, so he grab it
and pull himself.
Speaker 3 (29:37):
Man.
Speaker 4 (29:37):
I watched him play Young Players, I'm like, oh, this
dude's in trouble. He's gonna set inside half on this
guy and it's over. So with James, you had to
cover his whole body up because he didn't have an
inside move, So you had to cover him all the
way up and take him on to where he couldn't
grab your arm and get himself around, and then he
would have to move himself and move with him.
Speaker 1 (29:53):
Hmm.
Speaker 3 (29:55):
You know you know, I know.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
All this stuff. That's why my plan was always to
have multiple moves.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
That's it I need. I got to I'm a thief.
I'm a thief. What worked, I'm gonna take that. What
didn't work, I still I still think I can make
it work. I'm adding everything to the books. And I
tell my young guys, I was like, learn from me,
because I almost if I like something from you, I'm
gonna steal it.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2 (30:18):
Another congratulations for being inducted to Louisiana Sports Hall of Fames,
you know, enshrinement that way this year.
Speaker 3 (30:25):
Yeah, this this summer, this summer.
Speaker 4 (30:27):
Yeah, you know, pretty cool, you know, to grow up
in State Louisiana. I played at Western Road High School.
We went fifty eight and two in my four years there,
won three state championships and in the Superdome, and uh so,
I just at that place has always been so special
to me and in a place that all of my
athletic achievements have really like been some moments in there
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at every level. And so it's like, you know, you
grow up in that state. That is the stadium of
the state. It's it's Death Valley and the Superdome, like
since I was a little kid. So to have those
things happen there and then to go win a national
championship at LSU there, you know, is obviously something that
made it even more special. So, you know, to me,
that building, that state and really the accomplishments I got
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to have there will always be something that just sticks
in my mind, as you know, one of the coolest
experiences ever to be in your home state and to
win a bunch of championships there is really awesome.
Speaker 2 (31:19):
Man, absolutely state championship, national championship, super Bowl champion who
a lot of winning, a whole lot of winning winners win.
Speaker 3 (31:27):
Baby.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
Is there anything specifically that you can remember from you know,
pinpoint in high school that sort of became the foundation
of what sort of shaped.
Speaker 1 (31:36):
You as off as a lineman that you are. Have
you always been.
Speaker 4 (31:38):
Six', Nine, well, NO i you, know PROBABLY i was
a basketball, player SO i grew up like THINKING i
was gonna be a basketball player in BASEBALL i was
my favorite two favorite. SPORTS i didn't play much football
until high. School AND i had a high school head,
Coach Don, shaws who basically was about five eight and
lived hanging from my face mask and so he Hated he,
(32:00):
literally LIKE i would have thought he hated. Me but
that was his way of, coaching was that he saw
a lot of talent in me and that was this
big basketball player who like he thought he could turn
into a football. Player, uh and he would destroy me every.
Day we'd have games where like we'd get into it
and you, know he kicked me off the, offense and
so the Defense cordner would be, like, oh, shoot if
(32:21):
he's not using, you then you're gonna play d in this.
Game so THEN i would play D n in the
second half or.
Speaker 1 (32:25):
What do you mean he kick you?
Speaker 4 (32:26):
Off he'd literally be Like i'm done dealing with you,
know we get in a huge fight and he'd be,
like you're not playing the rest of the. Game and
So jerry arltch our Defensive cordner would be, like are
you're playing defensive and the rest of the?
Speaker 1 (32:34):
Games what do you what? Else what do you pety?
Speaker 3 (32:35):
Off?
Speaker 1 (32:36):
Of amember?
Speaker 4 (32:37):
Bro he would kick you out all the, time and
so he we would get into, it so literally all
the time would get into, it and SO i would
NEVER i was never good at, it And i'm still.
Not i'm just listening. Coaching you can coach. Me you
can coach me as hard as you want till we
can correct. Anything BUT i tell young guys this all the,
time AND i still believe. It i'm a man from anything.
Else so when that tone gets past coaching and it
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becomes like you're talking to, me, like, oh you're saying
man versus man right, now then let's go find. Out
LIKE i used to always, Say like we Had Mike
zimmer WHEN i was In cincinnati And zim loved And
i'd always walk By zim and be, like hey you,
baby GLAD i didn't play the. Defense he'd be, like
why do you say? THAT i, say you talk to
me like. That we'd be walking outside and find. Out he's,
like you tell Me i'm something Or i'm not.
Speaker 3 (33:18):
This yeahlah blah.
Speaker 4 (33:19):
Blah all, right, Listen i'm fine with that you say.
It let's go outside and find out IF i am though,
right since that's, IT.
Speaker 3 (33:26):
I don't do all.
Speaker 4 (33:27):
That you can correct, me challenge me and come after
me all you. Want don't don't talk like the man
the man with me like you use Something i'm. Not
that ain't gonna fly with.
Speaker 2 (33:37):
Me that only that only affected me AS i became
a man in high, school WHAT i tell, you, LIKE.
Speaker 4 (33:41):
I don't THINK i knew that about, myself BUT i, realized, like, wow,
OKAY i. DON'T i don't handle that. Well and THEN
i got to college, though AND i played Under Nick.
SABAN i, Mean nick get after you every. Day but
WHAT i realized is he Loves See that's the thing
people say that About, nick Like nick's not something hard
coach to play. For he's a standard. Guy there is
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a standard every day and if you appreciate the fact,
that no matter, what that standard exists and he is
gonna hold you to, it and he has never backing
down from that standard and no matter, who he didn't
care who it, is, coaches, administrators Like i've watched him
Destroy Skip bertman when he was THE ad and he
won eight national championships as a baseball coach and became
like THE ad, like you, know, man we're gonna let
him ride it out As i've seen him destroy, Him
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Like nick would go after anybody if it didn't match
the standard or what he thought we were supposed to
be doing about. Something and SO i got along great
With nick because he'd be, like, MAN i love the fact,
that like you challenge Like i'm a standard, guy so
LIKE i would challenge you at every. Day, hey, COACH
i thought you said this was a, Standard Like i'll
challenge you, too, Right and so we got along. Great
BUT i didn't know that about myself TILL i got to.
(34:44):
College and then it's like strength, Coach tommy moffit's like
taking you out there one, tens like we're gonna run
them until you guys stop, whining or we're gonna do blahlah.
Blah AND i started to, realize LIKE i love, this
like the more you get after me and, say oh,
man we'll keep running or we'll do this Like i'm,
Smiling i'm not getting. Mad, Yeah i'm like all, right
try me like, That Like i'm built for. This i'm
built for. This so like that's WHEN i started to,
(35:04):
realize like that's where that came.
Speaker 2 (35:06):
From, yeah THAT i let it roll off my. Back
and there ain't no they ain't no way you affected
me unless you affect my playing.
Speaker 1 (35:14):
Time you're not bothering.
Speaker 3 (35:15):
Me now you might bother, me.
Speaker 2 (35:16):
Yeah but other than. That, man, anyways all, right let's.
Question you, know looking around At, TWITTER i saw that
you And fitz got into a little. Beef you know
a little about your stance on guys who die their.
Speaker 4 (35:30):
Beards oh, yeah, yeah you. Know so fitz called me.
Out you, know we have our podcast. Together we have
a lot of. Fun but you, know he had one
of those situations where he knows he's known me. Forever
we played together in two thousand and, eight in two
thousand and seven And, cincinnati and so he's known me. Forever,
well he knew that earlier in my career WHEN i
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first started going, GRAY i STARTED i was dying my,
beard and so he's had These, unfortunately fits is one
of those people as a, Teammate Ryan, fitzpatrick you, know
there's certain teammates you don't give. Information AND i had
sent him some funny pictures of my dyed, beards and
he decided that morning he woke up and shose violence
and decided to post a picture of. ME i was
(36:10):
actually going to The Kentucky. DERBY i, think, uh AND
i THAT i had sent him at some point in
our relationship of being. FRIENDS i almost ended our relationship
of being. Friends but that's what he.
Speaker 1 (36:21):
Said he said it almost cost us.
Speaker 4 (36:24):
Gosh he roasted. Me so that that led to some fun.
Conversations you, know fits is always good for.
Speaker 1 (36:30):
That so your stance on dying, beard Now i've.
Speaker 4 (36:33):
Changed NOW i don't. Know you, KNOW i don't do.
It SO i just just embraced the. White and this
is wisdom right.
Speaker 3 (36:38):
Here you know.
Speaker 4 (36:39):
Wisdom, well you can come to me for all the.
QUESTIONS i got all the. Wisdoms oh, Say i'm looking
at this. PICTURE i was, like how long have you?
Speaker 1 (36:43):
Been? Bold?
Speaker 4 (36:44):
Life lived a whole, life SO i so. Listen my high,
school we were, obviously LIKE i, said we were. Successful
our tradition was if you made the, playoffs you had
to buzz your, head like we're, right we'd make every buzzer.
Head the young guys had buzz their, head so we.
BUZZED i. Buzzed they buzzed my head as a, freshman
AND i was, like you know, WHAT i like myself
without hair more THAN i like it with.
Speaker 1 (37:02):
It SO i.
Speaker 4 (37:02):
DIDN'T i didn't like shave, it BUT i kept it
kind of like. Low and then WHEN i got to,
COLLEGE i had like a fade and LIKE i was
like lined, up AND i THOUGHT i was, cool and
THEN i would like shave it a little bit sometimes
and then all of a sudden my rookie year in the,
League i'm, Like i'm gonna grow my hair back.
Speaker 3 (37:18):
Out AND i was, like my hair ain't growing. Back
what's going?
Speaker 1 (37:20):
On got too used to?
Speaker 3 (37:21):
It, no it might literally wouldn't come.
Speaker 4 (37:23):
Back AND i was, like oh, No so there's actually
some Pictures i'm not giving you amo, Right, hey there's
actually some pictures like a young player me on the
sideline like WHERE i was trying to grow it, back
and it's, like oh, no like this dude has hair
here and there's none up. Top AND i was like
twenty four years, old so it's. CRAZY i already bought,
Inside oh. Buddy so THEN i just, said you know,
what we got to hit that. Razor so you letting
(37:44):
me have been friends for a long, time you, Know
i'd just let my head about two or three times
a week since.
Speaker 3 (37:49):
Then been a long.
Speaker 1 (37:51):
RIDE i don't know IF i have the head for.
That i've thought about shaving.
Speaker 3 (37:53):
It, yeah you gotta have a GOOD i got a
good LIKE i was, LIKE i was, LIKE i don't.
Speaker 2 (37:56):
Have any like hooks for like den so like you, know,
nothing like it's a nice in What i'm in my
mind is.
Speaker 1 (38:01):
A nicely shaped, head but it takes a strong. Man
what if it doesn't come. BACK i tried them like
this ain't for, me and then.
Speaker 2 (38:09):
You know it doesn't and it is what you gotta worry.
About Then i've got to fly To turkey And i'm
okay with. IT i will pay for.
Speaker 1 (38:14):
It i'm.
Speaker 4 (38:14):
Fine, No, hey, listen the guys that have done, THAT
i wouldn't do it at this point Because i've had
a ball hit too. Long people would be, like, wait
he definitely went and did. That but the guys that
go do, IT i totally get.
Speaker 2 (38:24):
It i'm nervous about, it BUT i love my.
Speaker 3 (38:27):
HAIRLINE i have definitely sat around and thought about. IT
i don't THINK i would do, it BUT i thought about.
Speaker 1 (38:32):
It ah, man maybe you, know maybe maybe when daughters get.
Speaker 4 (38:35):
Married just come in with a full. Head you might
hit me and be, like, hey, dad you're gonna need
to have some hair for my. Wedding but if she does,
that that break my, heart AND i definitely would fly
To turkey and do.
Speaker 2 (38:43):
It, said, baby girls know how to break. You, oh
BUT i THOUGHT i THOUGHT i was stepping out outside one.
TIME i was, like, Oh I'm i'm, lucky clean, baby,
girl hit, me, daddy that shirt's, TIGHT i, said off season.
Speaker 1 (38:56):
Camp and put on my three. Excerpt, Anyways, WELL i
appreciate you tapping in with.
Speaker 3 (39:03):
The, podcast sports.
Speaker 1 (39:04):
FELLAS i appreciate you every. Time you, know just a consummate.
Speaker 2 (39:07):
Pro everything you've, done you, know your role model for
a pretty much all football, players regardless of, position which is.
Impressive then it's up to all your success you've had
off the.
Speaker 1 (39:18):
Field, again. Impressive just an impressive human.
Speaker 3 (39:21):
BEING i appreciate you are as, well my.
Speaker 2 (39:22):
Man you, know the MORE i learn about, you the
More i'm, impressed which you, Know i'm probably easily, impressed
BUT i still think you're the standout.
Speaker 1 (39:29):
Guy, yes, sir everybody.
Speaker 2 (39:32):
Who's been tuning in to to the, PODCAST i appreciate.
You follow us wherever you get your, Podcast Apple, Podcasts iHeart,
radio app or wherever.
Speaker 1 (39:41):
Else just, know off The edge.
Speaker 2 (39:42):
Will be here And i'll be holding it down for
the foreseeable, future all and off the.
Speaker 1 (39:47):
Field take it. Easy god bless, peace
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Cam Jordan
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