January 15, 2025 • 44 mins
On the latest Off the Edge with Cam Jordan podcast, former All-Pro defensive end Jared Allen joins Cam on the show. Jared shares stories of Thomas Davis’ spirited pregame prayers, the Terrell Suggs plane ride, and the Sean Payton phone call that made Jared want to punch Sean in the face. He also makes the case why his Hall of Fame induction is past due, and why he hopes the 5th year is the charm. In a rare moment, Jared also shares the inside story of why he wore number 69. He and Cam also debate the differences between pass rushers vs. true defensive ends.
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Here we are off the edge with your host Cam Jordan.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
I'm excited because I gotta talk to one of my
one of my young legends.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
When I was young, he was a.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Legend as well as you know, had some time to
play at the same time, as well as a man
who used to call yours on the home found out
it's no longer home for but it's fine. I still
do a Vikings for sure, a legend, a man who
played with kans City Chiefs.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
And finished with the Panthers.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
We'll talk about it. Don't forget the stint with Chicago
as well.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
We're trying to forget that.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
My guy, Jared Allen, big dog, how are you feeling?
Speaker 2 (00:39):
I mean, we could also add to all pros the
Pro Bowls, you know, one hundred and thirty six sacks,
five time Pro bowler, you know.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
Yeah, I'm good, man, I'm good.
Speaker 4 (00:49):
Just enjoying, enjoying the retired life now, I tell you what,
you blinking it And I can't believe I've been done
for almost nine ten years now and it's uh, it's
a crazy thing.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
Mm you're still playing. I'll say it sounds good though.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
Oh, it's amazing. I love it. I love it.
Speaker 4 (01:06):
I saw you, I saw you on do some NFL
thing the other day, and I was just you know,
they said fourteen years, and I think it's because I
have I know your dad so well right then, I
just make sure you was younger and not really like
like you know, I'm like fourteen years. There's definitely long
in the tooth.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
Now we're still doing it. I mean, come on your
eighties baby. How many eighties baby? We had some, you know,
we had some go through.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
Absolutely, absolutely, it's good to see you out.
Speaker 4 (01:35):
They're still getting after people, man, and so especially because
in this modern day, like you know, what everything's like
seems to be like a specific position. Everybody's got this
like oh he's a pastors or he's a run They're
always constantly moving.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
So to see a four down d N still crushing and.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
Lost, yeah, you know, bring the hands to work and
bring them every day, you know, like I still enjoy
choking a good office of lineman out and thank you.
Speaker 4 (02:01):
I was telling something the other day, this is that
hands of the face rule where you can't go to
hands the face office. You want to get my hands
on my face, go for it, because I'm going right
back to you, no doubt, right, So you know what,
it's getting a little soft in there, and.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
The triple a little now that the referees are stuck
behind the office of line so all that they don't
even see it hands on the face.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
They just see net movement. I'm like, come on, don't
do this. You know they're fat and mel athletic. Anyways, Off,
it's a lineman like that's they don't have a neck
to push back. Anyways, what are we talking about?
Speaker 2 (02:30):
Yeah, I'm with you, but I guess I want to
go roll it right into my first question because I
don't even know if I know the answer to this.
Why did you have the number sixty nine? Like as
a kid, we laughed at it all the time, but
you know, no, so dude, no joke.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
So I was number forty one.
Speaker 4 (02:45):
So I was number one in high school, right, and
my best friend was forty five, I bet when my
best friends passed away in high school. So I was
gonna get forty five going to college for him, And
for some reason they wanted to merge the two and
they gave me forty one in college. So I kept
it right, cool whatever, but back and then you know
when I came to the league. You had to have
certain there was you know, each position could only be
(03:05):
a certain number set right, and I'll pick They gave
me sixty nine, right, And there was another you know
between a fat out of a lot of those fat
out of the alignment that number six and nine two.
I'm like, GEESEU, this doesn't farewell one of.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
Us, can't. You know, one of us is making the team.
Speaker 4 (03:19):
So anyways, I get through I get through camp obviously,
you know, make the team, no problem.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
And they asked me if I wanted to change it
in my d line coach Bob carmellowitz Uh. He was,
I mean, it was just tougher.
Speaker 4 (03:31):
I spoke like this if my throat cancer like fourteen times,
and and just it was just always just a hardcore,
just no nonsense guy. He was like, you keep that number.
You're an old school player, and you're gonna make it
that that's an old school number. You keep that number, don't.
I don't want to see you in the nineties or
anything like that. So I was like, all right, cool man,
So I just kept it.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (03:50):
A lot of people think like, oh, I had all
the other connotations. I'm like, yeah, dude to me, and
then a guy I respected told me not.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
To not to change it, so I was like, cool,
I'm in that makes a lot of sense too. I mean,
I like the connotation's part. But you know, you're in
high school. You see Jared Allen with the sack and like, yeah,
sixty nine back then again.
Speaker 4 (04:11):
I'm like the only you know, being a California kid
growing up and going to school in California. You know,
I got to meet Snoop Dogg, like once or twice
you got to meet a Super Bowl time. I was thinking,
I was like, maybe Snup will wear my jersey one
time because of the number, and he never did.
Speaker 3 (04:23):
Aht to get you.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
Come on, come on. Snoop is the only person that's
been like deemed the unk for the last forty years.
I have no idea how he is. He's uncle. Snoop
just been around for that long.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
She doesn't age. I don't know what it is he
doesn't age.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
It's like it's like when he was twenty, he looked
like he was forty, but now that he's like sixty,
he still looks like he's forty.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
I haven't been able to.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
And on everything, on everything, and that's the one guy
you don't get tired of seeing on everything.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
Loved him as the ambassador to the to the Olympics,
the best him and Martha Stewart.
Speaker 1 (04:59):
I was like, this is this is so, but we're
not here to talk about it. Then we're going to
talk about you.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
You and my dad have kicked it, bro Like you know,
like the last story I heard you, like I said
that was was back when you you own a piece.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
Of a club in like Scottsdale.
Speaker 4 (05:11):
You know I used to half Yeah, no, I never
owned all halfe one of an oral parts. So I
owned the lodge for goodness, like twelve years. I used
to own a place called Revolver out there, and I
should remember that place.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
The Red Revolver, the double R.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
Yes, the Red Revolver.
Speaker 4 (05:29):
So that we stole that and then you know, I
just I just got out of the lodge last year,
gave that over to our GM and my little partner,
and so yeah, you know I got obviously be with Minnesota.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
Your dad's a big name you know there.
Speaker 4 (05:42):
Uh well, I mean again when I was playing you know,
and you know, uh, we had our golf tournament with
my foundation were when I was in Arizona, and you
want to get people to and we always wanted to
get local.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
Guys and always you know, some of the older guys.
Speaker 4 (05:57):
You always had a mixed bag of people because our
golf tournament was not about anybody who was was too
that thought they were too important.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
It was about just having fun and good times.
Speaker 4 (06:05):
And so your dad's company at Ryans, the company actually
sponsored a couple of vance holes came out and honestly,
we just started staying in touch and then you know,
we got a couple of beers at the you know,
at the three party or something like that. Right, always
enjoyed talking him. Did your dad become one of my
favorite people? Just like his story, his journey, you know,
playing in the eighties, you know what I mean was
a totally different ballgame and coming out the other side
(06:27):
of the strikes and stuff like that. And man going
to Brown University like to me, like your Pops' story
is inspiring across the board for Everybody's just a cool dude.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
A Phoenix kid with two parents that were teachers, and
next thing you know, he goes to Brown and yeah,
somehow puts together a thirteen year, six time Pro Bowl career.
No yeah, just a stud and then just a freaking stud.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
Like you know how many kids it takes to create
his his life story, Like I'm the football player, my
brother has to work in construction, you know, like it's
gonna take both sons equal what Pops did.
Speaker 4 (06:59):
Yeah, that's the and then like not even like just
what he's an engineer, right, and it's like you have
an engineering degree from Brown and worked for Ryan Company
is like this massive fortune five hundred company. I think
I was always look at you know and tell people,
you know, and your dad was, you know, so awesome
to come up to my ring of honest ceremonial as well.
So I was still down them.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
There for that.
Speaker 4 (07:19):
But yeah, like I view him as like the perfect
I you know, like Jerry West was like the icon
of the the NBA is what it is supposed to be, right,
Like you have a great career and then you're successful
after your career, like.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
You know, it's awesome.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
Yeah, sorry, you put yourself in the mold. You're freaking
you freaking have a ranch. You were like a ranch hype.
In fact, how do you go from you know, finishing
up in Carolina to going and living in Arizona? To
moving to Nashville, Like, oh yeah.
Speaker 4 (07:48):
So Arizona was always two thousand and I think six.
I move Arizona is my off season base right was
training out there and my wife, my wife out there
in two thousand and nine. We have married twenty ten,
but she wore to Issue. She's from Shock area. But
we lived out there for almost like fourteen years. Right
when we did, right when I went after I left
me the stoar and went into free agency, and then
(08:09):
it was still there.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
Went to Chicago. Chicago was was a dumpty. I was
the only time I took the money. I took the money.
Should have just retired. Blew my L five out right.
It was like, oh my goodness.
Speaker 4 (08:20):
And then so I asked him to tram me to
Carolina my last year, knowing I was going to retire.
Gets Carolina first for Little No Joe.
Speaker 3 (08:27):
Saturday walked the.
Speaker 4 (08:28):
Were getting ready to go to play Tampa rookie quarterback,
rookie tackle and my hands back in the dirt and
my dad, I'm about to eat this dude live walked through. Bam,
dude runs into my hip L five blown out again.
I was like, ah, play played that game with a
bust at l five. Couldn't feel like I couldn't lift
my heel off the ground for like three weeks after that,
got back, but then after so so after that, I
(08:48):
I was retired for Carolina Super Bowl. So we went
back there Scott's Stale with there out of your building it.
We've just been building our house, lived there for about
a year and and we just been got kind of
tired of the desert. We wanted seasons again.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
Like I said, wait, you just finished building the house
and then you left the year later.
Speaker 4 (09:01):
Year later, No joking, this is gonna sound so stupid,
you understand the different. So we went from Arizona, never
having scorpions. Was this beautiful house that was silver Relief
and we lived. Yeah, we came up from Tall We
came up from Tono one year one day and uh
and dude, they're building behind us and left in all
of a sudden. I mean we must have fod like
thirteen scorpions of the house. And I was like, oh,
(09:23):
hell no, I'm done. My kids were younger at the time.
My oldest was like, uh, I guess probably five. My
youngest was three.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
And you know, we we've been wanting seasons anyways or
you know, some mild seasons. And we loved Carolina, We
really did. Charlotte was so much fun. We had such
a blast.
Speaker 4 (09:41):
And I had friends out in Nashville, so we're like,
that's screw it, let's let's go. And they were going
to some the you know they're really good schools. Were
looking for good Christian schools center kids too, And then
we got here and it was like circa Phoenix two
thousand and you know, six seven, eight, nine, ten.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
Just like everybody moved out here.
Speaker 4 (10:00):
Every reason we left, like North Scottsdale, Like, if I
see one more person drop their kid off and a
freaking ferrari.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
I'm about to punch somebody, like like we all got
money to drive a truck.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
That's that's that. I don't know where these kids are
going to find their struggle from. I don't, dude.
Speaker 3 (10:18):
I struggle with that as probably too.
Speaker 4 (10:21):
It's like, you know, even though I remind my kids constantly,
just because your mom and I live good doesn't mean
you have anything anything.
Speaker 3 (10:28):
Yeah, and we work, right, we still whether it's in
the garden, whether it's you know, on the farm, right,
we show our.
Speaker 4 (10:33):
Kids, like listen, we don't have anti and if people's
lifestyle are for that, no judgment.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
We just that's not our lifestyle. And it's hard, especially.
Speaker 4 (10:41):
When you're you know, you know, probably I you know,
I grew up very blue collar, grew up on a
horsemancher and my dad tying rain and cutting horses, and
then to have something, you know, to I still have
that mindset. I still everything I do, I just work
and do it myself. But you said, you try to
send your kids at the best schools.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
You try to send your kids and these things, but
then they're surrounded by.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
These you know, you can kids that have been been
used to having the best first, and you're just like.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
I've told Wifey, in a couple of years, we're going
to a three bedroom, two bedroom apartment for a year.
Like yep, you're gonna know what roymen Noodle and Tampico.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
Is, you know, like just like, get us some bunk beds.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
But let me, I got so off topic. That's that's
on me.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
I did talk to Peanut Tilban and Big Heart, and
they they said you were an amazing teammate, but they
wanted to talk a little bit about your time in Carolina.
You know, it's called twenty fifteen and just said see
if you had any any four thoughts on one.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
Thomas Davis and a prayer circle O prayer in the
locker room.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
Thomas Davis was a listen as a Christian.
Speaker 4 (11:47):
I'm all for prayer anywhere, but sometimes you can't be
dropping like f bombs during the prayer.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
You know what I'm saying. Oh, no, you gotta get,
you gotta get free, free, he gets, he gets.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
He just goes. So we have this rehearse you know,
you know it was a rehearsed, but he.
Speaker 4 (12:04):
Basically takes some Thomas Davis would take some, uh some
quotes from the Bible, like you know, if you know,
if he's.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
For us, who could be against us? Those times thing
everybody be shouted out and kind of became this thing.
I always always thought it was interesting, funny. So I
thought Rome. Rome was one of my favorite people.
Speaker 4 (12:20):
I love Pianis and Peanut I were in Chicago together too,
right and uh Rome always used to remind me that,
you know he has.
Speaker 3 (12:25):
My Super Bowl ring.
Speaker 4 (12:27):
Uh when because good old New Orleans Saints and back
in two thousand and nine, freaking you guys, and uh
so we always joke that we're gonna win one together.
Then you let the pass me the past, and then
uh peanuts. Peanut says he's the best. He's a prankster
and and love. So I'll tell you a funny story
about Chicago though. So I got pneumonia and Chicago and
(12:48):
uh busted.
Speaker 3 (12:49):
Chicago was rough. I busted my out five literally got
the money.
Speaker 4 (12:52):
I lost like nineteen pounds in like a in like
a seven day span. Right, So I missed the Green
Bay game and I come back and playing Carolina. We're
actually playing Carolina, so I get you know, you gotta
wear a suit on the on the plane. So I
come and my suit no longer is like this rune,
it's like this, right, So I got my cowboy and
on everything like that. So Peter starts calling me DBC
(13:15):
Dallas fires Fluck so stuck, so stuck, and you call
me DVC the rest of the year because I just
looked deadly sick, oh dude, And uh so, yeah that
was that was a good time. But yeah, Thomas Davis,
the Praisers, Sure it was always great, uh man, I always,
I just did. We had so much fun in Carolina
(13:36):
that year. It suck not to win the Super Bowl.
We talked about being humbled. That was one of those years,
and as as a as an older guy and a
pass rusher in the league, and and but you know,
you you expect there to stay at a level that is.
It's that you expect, right, you don't play it anybody
don't the standard of your team. You played your standard.
And you know, it was frustrated my last my last
year dealing with those injuries and stuff like that. And
(13:59):
then and you know, knowing I was going to retire
because I wasn't willing to put the work in to
be at the standard.
Speaker 3 (14:04):
Iye game necessary, but it.
Speaker 4 (14:06):
Was humbling because it was like statistically one of my
worst years I've ever you know, I played, but from
a team standpoint, is our best.
Speaker 3 (14:12):
You know, I got to play in the super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (14:13):
It was great.
Speaker 4 (14:14):
And that's why you know, Carolina will always hold you know,
a special time at place in my heart because we
had so much fun. Sean McDermott like, I love that guy.
Speaker 3 (14:22):
I never came out. I came in. I was like
apologizing toil. I was like, man, coach, you know, I've
been hitting the quarterback and.
Speaker 4 (14:26):
I got to get these sac numbers up to help us,
and he threw on my run tape right and he's like,
we don't.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
Have anybody at setting edgines like this right now. And
so I was like it was humbling, right, because you
get so sometimes.
Speaker 4 (14:38):
You get so caught up in what the flashy stuff is,
you forget that, you know, football is a team sport,
and sometimes you have a role to play and sometimes
you know it ain't the role you want to play, right,
But we're winning games and you know.
Speaker 3 (14:49):
So you know, Carolina was great, Thomas Davids was great.
Room was my guy. Peanut freaking joined the FBI like
that dude, they're nuts.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
And he showed he showed you that edge run play.
Did he make you start playing three technique?
Speaker 2 (15:01):
No?
Speaker 3 (15:01):
That was I was never gonna be that heavy, right, That's.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
Good for you, bro. Look this year happened for me.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
I'm like, I came in the lightest I've ever been,
like two seventy something, two seventy, two seventy four, and.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
This year like, hey, third down, go go rush against
the guard. And I was like, no, that's not what
I do.
Speaker 4 (15:18):
No, no, no.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
In fact, Russia gets the Russian gets the center. We're
gonna have these young guys on this edge, and I'm like,
what did I do to deserve this?
Speaker 1 (15:26):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (15:26):
Right, Like, all all I've done is ever whooped everybody
on the edge. Now you're gonna ring me in a
three technique the seventies like a d tackle these days.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
Yeah, if you're if you're Aaron Donald.
Speaker 4 (15:37):
Yeah, well that's that's a whole other beast right there. Now.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
They keep the Vitaves, the Vitavese, the dexter Lawrences, the
dexter Lawrences.
Speaker 4 (15:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
I love seeing Chris Jones.
Speaker 4 (15:47):
And the dude, dude, dude gets to the quarterback, he
stops the one, right, I mean, of course, it's it's
like it's remember I used to tell our d line
coach all the time too.
Speaker 3 (15:57):
I used to hate when we would go our nickel.
Speaker 4 (15:59):
Package right and then we go green and have two
three techniques because I'm like, now, all you're doing is
out on the center of scan.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
I was like, I used to love a big dukie.
Pat Williams was right there on the nose.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
Williams wall.
Speaker 3 (16:09):
You know I played with big He's gonna get three
yards deep. No one's not stopping Pat from getting three
yards deep. Nobody now and now the guard has to
respect him. And if the guard comes to me, he's
gonna win. If not, I got a one on one.
So yeah, I'm a big fan of keeping the big
guys in there, even when you're pass rushing.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
Keep the big guys. Look, you don't need four dancing bears.
Sometimes you need a ward hog or two.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
Yeah, push that big ass pocket and guess what. The
ads can do anything they want.
Speaker 3 (16:36):
I used to tell the the de Tagle all the time.
Speaker 4 (16:39):
I said, if you get three yards deep every pass
rush and stay in your let, I promise you I'll
get your five sacks.
Speaker 3 (16:44):
He's three five sacks. I'll chase him right to you.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
They gonna step up in yours.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
You start thinking yourself, then you're not and you get
my way. We're gonna have a problem every.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
And every year.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
You're gonna get a detacle like oh, I like to
do the swim or the rif with the chop like, well,
actually you're six yards up the field, bro, I didn't
ask you to be there.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
I need I need interior rushers to be three to
four yards up the field and be able to play
both gaps.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
And I need and I need you to go ahead
and stop the screens. That's your job.
Speaker 4 (17:13):
So uh yeah, I think the game the game shifted
either so many hybrids now there's so many this, but
you go back and there's still some teams out there
getting you know, I like, I like what Denver did
this year, right, you know, and they got it. They
got some big guys in the in the in the
in the DJ Jones, I think he played DJ Jones.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
Zach Zach Taylor, Yeah, yeah, Zach Zach Allen, Right, yeah, Allen,
what does that?
Speaker 3 (17:33):
Zach Zach Allen, Yeah DJ. I like DJ from the standpoint,
like he can do it both.
Speaker 4 (17:38):
But he's another one of those old school kind of
nose tackles, right, you know, he actually played for three.
Speaker 3 (17:43):
He's that interior d lineman that that's what he does.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
You know.
Speaker 3 (17:46):
Zach's kind of could flex a little bit I think
in modern day.
Speaker 4 (17:49):
But then yeah, but you got guys like Nick Benito
who know they're roy they are going to come off
the edge, and I think that's you saw me. You know,
they got sixty three SASH this year. And when I
watched their film, guy knew their role in their responsibilities
in the past Rush game and that's in you know,
a good a good solid interior allows your your your
edge guys to.
Speaker 3 (18:08):
Have two way go. You're freaking absolutely has a two
way go. You're good. At some point you're killing a tackle.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
Jonathan Cooper on the other side going crazy, like you
look up and it's it's, you know, thirteen sacks one side,
eleven sacks the other side.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
Six sacks in the middle like the eight sacks. They're
like you just you can piece together quite time.
Speaker 3 (18:30):
And that's and that's the thing. And that's and that's
where coaches kind of got it. You got to get
the way. That's why I love Jamarking.
Speaker 4 (18:34):
So I was able to not just this year, the
year before I did it, Uh just some consulting with
Denver and and it was it was really cool. I got,
you know, work with Jamar and Mike will Hoyt and
those guys, and and you know, even you know, talking
with coaches given the player perspective, is you know, really
allowing because somebody coaches too, they want to get into
(18:54):
this this.
Speaker 3 (18:55):
Aspect of like, well we got to push the middle.
Speaker 4 (18:57):
We got a cajuble on the outside, especially in this
I mean, you know better than me, We didn't have
that many mobile quarterbacks when I when I was playing right. Uh,
this whole era of crazy athletic quarterbacks, I think coaches
kind of they they chase ghosts and they get scared
and they don't they don't allow their guys to take
their shot. So that's why it's so important to have
guys on the same page and have middle push that
you see color replace color. But you gotta allow your
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talented guys to have two way goes.
Speaker 3 (19:21):
You got allowed to throw.
Speaker 4 (19:22):
Otherwise you get into these things where these quarterbacks are
too good that they can scramble, they can pat the ball,
they can just tear you apart.
Speaker 3 (19:28):
It hurts you.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
It hurts you in the ground and in the air.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
Then you're just sitting there stuck. We gotta we got
to cage them, but he's killing us in the air.
But we gotta get after him, but he's killing us
with his feet.
Speaker 3 (19:37):
Yeah, you get coach ever told me I would?
Speaker 4 (19:40):
Oh man, it was dang or a fight you If
I heard the word cage rush come out of some
coaches mouth on the sidelines, you always then why am
I here?
Speaker 3 (19:46):
You want a cage rush? Go get me gags.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
Look, I was. I was okay with them, Like, yo,
I'm a power rusher.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
Anyways, throw age, okay, cage rush because I'm on the
left side and i'm and we're facing a right handed quarterback.
Speaker 1 (19:57):
I get it. But you gotta let the other court,
the other defensive be and go eat then.
Speaker 2 (20:01):
Yeah, Like, if he's right right handed quarterback, that means
that the guy on the other side got to be
able to have the inside movie.
Speaker 3 (20:06):
Did you know that you also got to earn the
right to miss right? You got to earn the right.
Speaker 4 (20:10):
I tell people all the time, the difference between greatness
and failure this much. I actually got a chance, and
the only reason I'm considered great is because I made
the plays. If I missed him, I probably would have
washed out.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
But hey, that's tell guys all the time, like, hey, pressures,
pressures are cool.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
Sacks will come, but if they don't, and all you
are is a pressure guy.
Speaker 3 (20:31):
Have you seen some of these stats they make?
Speaker 1 (20:33):
They love they love the pressure, led the pressures every year.
What does that do for you?
Speaker 4 (20:39):
The guy has three sacks, but he's led the league.
He's the number one defensive player for pressures, QB hits
and attempted sacks. I'm like, jeez, get out of here.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
I'm like, I'm like, and that's a stat that nobody
will care about when he's done playing, right.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
Yeah, absolutely absolutely.
Speaker 4 (20:53):
It's it's amazing how they find ways to, uh to
create hype on some of these guys.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
Now, I feel like Brad Pitt and he was when
he was Achilles, like, and that's why nobody else will
remember your name, precious.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
QB is like, did you get them down? Yes or no?
Like we can talk about the theory of getting them down,
but like, that's what that is.
Speaker 4 (21:13):
Theory one hundred percent. Yeah, you got to get that's
step one. But eventually you got it, you gotta make
it happen. And that's why I'm you know, and I
look at guys, you know you rush, especially these top
guys that rushing.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
Crazy this year.
Speaker 4 (21:28):
A lot of these top guys are on the left.
That's my probably my only point I don't like about
some of these top tier guys. Go to the right side,
go with the best tackle and let's see what Let's
see what happens.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
I don't know if I don't know if they're the
best tackles anymore. Honestly, no, I agree with you. And honestly,
now look at the right ends, like you sort of
had it easy. Like are you like if you're on
if you're.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
On the left, you're a left d or whatever. Whatever.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
You go against their left tackle. You're right in and
you're going against the better tackle. You're also in the
quarterbacks blind spot. Yeah, he doesn't see you at all.
Speaker 3 (22:01):
That's that's that's why I love us. That's how I
got put over there. Right.
Speaker 4 (22:04):
That's back in the day, they're like, the best tackle
is going to be on the black spot. You want
to be the best, you gotta go against the best.
I you know, I see you know, guys kind of
move around, you know, stuff like that. Yeah, you know again,
you're right.
Speaker 3 (22:17):
The tackle play though it is not the same. It's
not the same you first came in either, uh and
so I.
Speaker 4 (22:23):
But it's it's funny to see the shift because when
I was when I was in the league, I mean,
everybody who was in.
Speaker 3 (22:29):
The top tier was the right end.
Speaker 4 (22:30):
Right.
Speaker 3 (22:31):
It's flopped. Now almost everybody in the top tier is
a left end. Yeah, right, so I.
Speaker 4 (22:36):
So I then I argue, I wonder, you know, you know,
Trent Williams is probably still the only true solid like
left tackle from from from from you know, back in
the day a little bit. But yeah, maybe maybe that,
maybe that maybe they're with these mobile quarterbacks and shift,
they're putting the best players, you know, they put the
best players.
Speaker 3 (22:51):
They're putting the best player on the.
Speaker 4 (22:52):
Right now because the right ends or left ends might
be getting more one on ones because now they know
the quarterbacks can see them and they're gone anyway, So
what do they care about their blind side?
Speaker 2 (23:00):
Yeah, I gotta don't have worry about the black side's
about to be out of here.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
He can't get the ball off of the first second read.
He's gone anyways.
Speaker 4 (23:06):
Because you look at you go back and look at
Philly what Lane Johnson was kind of their all pro.
He was the right he was the right tackle.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
Right.
Speaker 3 (23:13):
Yeah, interesting, that's interesting.
Speaker 4 (23:15):
I gotta take a look at that because I think
maybe the dynamics shift and that's why you're seeing the
top guys over on the left.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
As quarterbacks to get more mobile.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
You don't need you like you gotta if you gotta
just the guy on the on the uh, you know,
protect the blind side. That's fine because he got his
first three second read out. Yeah, you got guys that
can make it work.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
Hey, I guess then you want your best.
Speaker 4 (23:34):
You want your best, and then you're gonna wat your
best pass usure in his in his vision, right right,
You're gonna want him looking at you.
Speaker 3 (23:39):
That makes sense. That that's football. The game is always changing.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
Look, it's always evolving.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
We'll be right back. You're nine years out now, about
to be ten years out. That's crazy to think about.
In the history of the NFL. I looked up, it's
just you and one. You know one Arizona uh one,
Arizona native Terrell's US. They have over one hundred and
you know, one hundred and thirty something sacks. You know
you ad one thirty six has got to be somewhere
around there on thirty eight ish. You two are the
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only ones above one hundred and thirty without the h
o F.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
When does it call it? Your name?
Speaker 3 (24:14):
Oh Man?
Speaker 4 (24:15):
To be honest with you, I thought I should have
been in. Yeah, I should have been in three years ago.
You know I've been since I was eligible. I've been
a finalist. This is my fifth time as a finalist.
I know Troell sucks.
Speaker 3 (24:25):
He's a finalist this year is his first year is eligibility.
I don't know why.
Speaker 4 (24:29):
I don't know why they haven't putting in. Dude, be honestly,
I tell them all the time. I'm like, it clearly
isn't because of my numbers. So I probably pised somebody
off along the way. You can't say that to me,
So I be honest. I thought I was gonna go
in my second year. I was pretty bumped. I didn't
get to go in uh third year, especially like me
and where the markets were, I have pretty much identical careers.
And then so he went on his second ballot, freeing
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who I my numbers are. I got more numbers less.
Speaker 3 (24:53):
Time than him.
Speaker 4 (24:54):
He went in a second ballot. Somehow I was sitting
around in my fifth ballot. All the great players, I think.
That's my My beef with the Hall is like they
they make you start kind of like second guessing, and
you're like, well, hold I played, I've been out ten years.
There's nothing I can do about it, right, I'm right,
one more season yourself. Like I'm a massive fan of
Julius Pepers, I'm a massive fan of all these guys.
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There are great players, you know, But the reality is
when I played. Nobody had more sex than me in
the twelve years I played.
Speaker 3 (25:22):
And so it's hard. It's hard.
Speaker 4 (25:24):
It's hard to understand why I'm not in yet. But
hopefully this will be the year. If not, but at
the end of the day, you know that's not the
reason I played. I truly played this game for the
respect of my peers and the respect of those who
played before me. So you know, sitting here talking with
you and and then you know you have the unique
perspective of having it of a dad who's in the
Ring of Honor of Minnesota and being able to talk
to guys like your dad and then tell me, hey,
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Jared played the game right like that means more than
me than any gold jacket, whether any.
Speaker 3 (25:50):
For the people believe or not.
Speaker 4 (25:51):
I mean, the Hall of Fame is one of the
greatest honors you could ever have. I'd be I would
wear that thing with honor. But at the end of
the day, I'm not kissing the ring. I'm not playing
the political game.
Speaker 3 (25:58):
If my if my, if my the.
Speaker 4 (26:00):
Product I put on the field, if it doesn't stand
the test of time, or you don't think I'm good enough,
then just.
Speaker 3 (26:05):
Say that, right, Let it be what it's gonna be.
Don't put me in the files, that's fine. But if
it is, put me in, let's stop playing this song
and dance because I'm.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
Not I'm not playing the right Stop playing me.
Speaker 3 (26:15):
Yeah, right, you know what I mean?
Speaker 4 (26:16):
Like my number speak for themselves and again sugs, you know,
but he had seventeen years something like that, right, you know,
I was big on my average.
Speaker 3 (26:25):
And you know, they don't really give you criteria. That's
the thing that frustrate you. They don't tell you really
why you don't make it right? You do criteria.
Speaker 4 (26:30):
I've heard things from like, oh, if you would have played,
you know, a couple more years and had four more sacks,
you would have walked in first ballot. And for me,
my my average, I was actually pissed. I dropped below
twelve a year. So I but it's probably not the
right thing, but it's a great motivation. Got their Cunningham gods.
So when I came to the league, he was like, hey,
Derek Thomas average twelve sacks a year. You aren't worth
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your salt unless you average twelve sacks a year as
a rookie. So you know, now you got a rookie,
he allly cares about to get into the quarterback. So
but that's how I measured myself. And I just I
you know, I cared so much about making sure I
was in that you know, that rough of that twelve
sac of year average. And then again just you know,
with the injuries. You know, I played in the Super
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Bowl and bust and foot busted my l five twice.
Speaker 3 (27:15):
But you know, no one really knows about those things
because I kept playing.
Speaker 4 (27:18):
I played through them, and I believe that, if you know,
seventy percent of me was better than the guy behind me.
And that's kind of the other thing that it's hard
for me to look at some of these guys that
you know, I still got a torn pack. I played
nine with a complete torn pack. You know, guys that
missed full seasons. You know, with some of these injuries
that that I've played through, I mean, teach their own, uh.
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I just you know, maybe maybe that's maybe that maybe
that's maybe some smarter than me. I probably would have
got fixed up. I could have had one hundred fifty
Hall of Fame already.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
You just took a couple of weeks off. No, I don't,
I don't know nothing. I don't know.
Speaker 3 (27:51):
I hope we get it.
Speaker 4 (27:52):
I love is one of my favorite guys. You know,
like I said, he uh, another issue guy. I used
to I used to love watching him play in college.
I'll give you, I'll give you guys we want here.
Speaker 3 (28:02):
One of the funniest Trell Sugg stories there. It's not
even him were we were. It was one of his friends.
We were on up we were all planing on to
Hawaii and about you.
Speaker 4 (28:11):
Know, Hawaiian airlines non stop from Phoenix to to Honolulu,
and uh, we're sitting in first class and so they
come around with the pog juice.
Speaker 3 (28:20):
You know, you give you those pog juice when you
get on the plane.
Speaker 4 (28:23):
And one of his buddies was sitting behind me, and
so he goes, excuse me, ma'm can I get a
vodka vodka cranberry and sen bras of Abka cranberry. And
he goes to pay and she said, she said, oh no,
the drinks are complimentary up here. And his to the
amount of excitement this dude got was like hey, he
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started yelling to his buddies up with the other foot across.
You know, we were like the back left the first
class literally front right, the first left.
Speaker 3 (28:51):
Hey yo, hey yo dog, the vodka cranberries are free
up there.
Speaker 1 (28:57):
At all party, A tall party. Yeah yeah, it's just
I was like.
Speaker 3 (29:01):
Man, he was so excited. I'm ordered about the tripp.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
I have I have what He's happy? Hell yeah, oh man,
I was.
Speaker 4 (29:11):
I was dying laughing and Suck just sitting there shaking
his head, cracking up, smiling his buddy. I mean, he
was elated. I was like that, that's what that should be.
Everybody should have that same joy with her flying first class.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
Hell yeah, So you guys were that's back when the
Pro Bowl was in Hawaii.
Speaker 4 (29:28):
That was good.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
Yeah, yeah, I caught that. I think I caught the laugh.
My first two Pro Bowls were in Hawaii.
Speaker 3 (29:34):
So when was your first one?
Speaker 1 (29:35):
And so he was, ay been thirteen, So that's the
day they did.
Speaker 3 (29:40):
They did thirteen sven or twelve one of them.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
One of them I think fourteen was Arizona.
Speaker 4 (29:45):
But yeah, let then came back so we went to Orlando,
I think in like that nine ten, so that ten
Super Bowl or was sorry, I was down in Fort Lauderdale,
Miami Pro Bowl the first year they moved it from
Hawaii it was a miserable fail.
Speaker 3 (29:58):
And then they moved it back to Hawaii.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
Miami. Miami can't be a miserable.
Speaker 4 (30:01):
Fan, Dude, don't because they didn't get They didn't so
they didn't run out the entire hotel and guys were
no joke. We had dudes coming from the club to
the game. It was like the NFL sent like four
people home that year. It was just like, right goal
back Hawaii. So I played at twelve and then I
think you're right, I think thirteen and then fourteen.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
Thirteen, thirteen was for sure Hawaii because I was like,
I was like, I'm here. I was like, yes, yes,
and then fifteen had fifteen season. I think like the
next year, I think they went to Arizona, or maybe
the year before that they went to Arizona and then
came back to Hawaii and my son was born.
Speaker 1 (30:40):
I was like, I was like, I've finally done it.
Pop took me to Pops with me to Hawaii when
he made the Pro Bowl. I took my son Hawaii
would make the Pro Bowl. This is awesome, like this
full circle.
Speaker 4 (30:49):
I made my first trip ever. I waited, I love joke,
never went to Hawaii and telling me the Pro Bowl,
so that without all By went to Hawaii and then
I got to.
Speaker 3 (30:58):
Bring my daughter. You know, she was three months all
I got the bringer over the few times it.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
Was like, right, we'll be back in a minute.
Speaker 2 (31:05):
Let me ask you this, this Hall of Fame situation,
is it you have to go to like the hotel
and then like if it's knock on the door.
Speaker 3 (31:12):
I got lucky in that, so COVID they ended that. Man,
no joke.
Speaker 4 (31:15):
I was at the Super Bowl, so they used to
bring the top fifteen out and they would praye you
around like you were basically game all week. I mean
you and your wife all dressed up, ready to go
to the ceremony, and then you get if you either
get the knock or the call, and get the call,
you pack it up and hit the hit the road, right.
And I mean I watched these guys on the plane
just like dejected or something like that. That's not honoring
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and that's my problem, right, they're not. It starts out
this big Arnham at the final fifteen. They've already way,
they already cut the ten, so there's five people automatically
don't even get to get voted off.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
Right.
Speaker 4 (31:46):
Then in that ten, they cut you, then they cut
to the final five, and then they do the updown
vote for seventy percent, right, and so it's like, you know,
they really could, in my opinion, could just have five finalists, right,
and be like Baseball and then be transparent. Either get
seventy percent of the vote or you don't. Right, you
can put a baseball. You can put as many in
as you want or as little end as you want.
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So I think what happens is you get to this
point where you guys are being celebrated and then it's
this axe and then they just kind of disregard you
after you're not and you just kind of get disregarded
and they ask you to kind of carry on the
ruse until, you know, until the NFL Honors show, and
you're like, man, it's just it's not it's not a
way to honor guys career. And then and then you're
pitting guys like well then you're not know this that
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you're just comparing guys to who you're fans of, who
you're probably friends with, and it's this this this kind
of this feeling.
Speaker 3 (32:35):
Of like, man, you look for me.
Speaker 1 (32:37):
You made a pseudo war out of it.
Speaker 3 (32:39):
Well, yeah, it's like and then you get you get guys.
Speaker 4 (32:41):
You know again, it's it kind of takes the stinger
away from me, Like again, I I think about the
Hall of Fame for the couple of weeks on the
Finalist and then afterwards, if you know, the last year,
I haven't been mad.
Speaker 3 (32:51):
I'm like, then I'm pissed. I'm like, why am I
even pissed? I don't There's nothing I can do about it.
Who cares? I go out living my life right. My
kids are still gonna love me, and my wife loves me.
I still got churst to dude. Nothing my life and change.
Speaker 4 (33:00):
And but you know, it's just sad because it really
you take that, you take this stands where you should
be honoring these guys, and there's a moment where it
becomes almost like just a show or or you guys
that just feel so rejected.
Speaker 3 (33:17):
And they shouldn't have to feel that way. And so,
you know, and I get it.
Speaker 4 (33:20):
It's it's not everybody gets in, and not everybody, but
at some point, you know, six seven, eight, nine times
in the finals, like come on, if you keep putting
the guy that just put them in, nothing's changing all
you're doing is telling me is you're waiting for the
You're waiting for someone who you deem weaker than me
for me to surpass. That's all right, right, all right
now you're the cute girl amongst the ugly people.
Speaker 1 (33:41):
All right now you're now you're we like this class. Yeah,
no doubt.
Speaker 4 (33:47):
Ah. But at the end of the day, it is
what it is, and uh it's it's a great honor
to be in the finals. It's a great honor to
be considered. Uh again, my my, my true, my true
elation comes from when when guys that that I Revere
is some of the best players ever, you know, tell
me I did it right, Or when I'm talking to
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you know, you know, guys like you were, guys that
I played against other world linemen, my name comes up
and they just knew there was a lunch panial type
of day when they had to play me, you know.
And why I don't have regrets. I could hang my
head high. I was never cut nothing like that. So
even though I didn't win the super Bowl, got to
experience it.
Speaker 1 (34:24):
It is what it is.
Speaker 2 (34:26):
I'll say, do you think that do you think that's
one of the things that holds you back is not
having a Super Bowl, which I think is a very
much quarterback winning.
Speaker 4 (34:32):
Because you know, in the Super Bowl we lost, I
mean we held, we held the Broncos one hundred and
eighty six so many yards.
Speaker 3 (34:37):
What more can I do? And this? And that's what
they told me.
Speaker 4 (34:40):
So they put a where and they said where won
the Super Bowl over you? I'm like, okay, you know,
but the next year it's like, okay, what's the excuse?
Speaker 1 (34:47):
Now?
Speaker 4 (34:47):
Yeah, right, what's the next excuse? And so you know
they'll probably say, sugs, sugs meat me up for Defensive Player.
Speaker 1 (34:53):
Of the Year.
Speaker 2 (34:54):
So don't give it to that over Oh I remember
that that was That was the year you went for
like twenty two to out, which I ain't.
Speaker 3 (35:00):
What's real. I actually had twenty three.
Speaker 4 (35:03):
Go back and look at I physically sacked Aaron Rodgers
for my twenty third sack, and then Wednesday they took
it away from me because they said he muffed the
ball and they gave it.
Speaker 3 (35:12):
Back team sack, team sack.
Speaker 2 (35:15):
I've seen two or three to lose my way for
the team sack, like I was the closest one too
when he was falling out of bounds. But team sack
or I think I stripped the ball out of out
of Brett Hunley's hands, as he was a quarterback for
the Green Bay Packers and Alex Okafor had tackled him.
But I stripped the ball, so that's a strip sack
my way. I was like, I got the fumble and
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he got the sack, and I said, what the.
Speaker 3 (35:38):
Fuck, it's crazy, because dude, that's not how it used
to be. I actually lost the sack in. I think
it was like oh seven, maybe no six, same thing.
Speaker 4 (35:48):
I had Philip Rivers or something like that wrapped up
Tombaholey comes in and punches the ball out.
Speaker 3 (35:52):
So back then, whoever forced the fumble got the full sack.
I had no joke. I have a half sack.
Speaker 4 (35:57):
So I actually shot one thirty seven and it thought
phil the Monday night football game, I had four and
a half agins Aaron Rodgers. Not only did I hit
him first, I stripped the ball and Brian Robinson comes
over and and and you know it finishes it off
I and we.
Speaker 1 (36:12):
Run the ball.
Speaker 3 (36:13):
They give me. They gave me a half sack. I
haven't turned it in.
Speaker 1 (36:16):
They're like, sorry, this makes perfect sense. How how does
this make perfect sense? It does?
Speaker 4 (36:21):
And you know the muff, the muff even when the
ball used to go over the quarterback's head and they
would fall down and whoever touched him would get it, would.
Speaker 3 (36:28):
Get the sack.
Speaker 4 (36:29):
Right now, it's a team sack. So the one with Aaron,
he foots up in the in the pocket, he runs
in a new house, drops the ball, picks it back up,
rolls out.
Speaker 3 (36:38):
He still can eligible throw the ball.
Speaker 4 (36:40):
Right him with the ball, that's a sack. Nope, they
call it a They called it a muff team sack.
I'm like, but I physically tackled him, all right, He's
still gonna throw the ball. Technically I'm on the team,
so shul at least get half of that.
Speaker 1 (36:55):
But don't go jeez. Is what it is, spilt milk,
I guess. But it's not.
Speaker 4 (37:03):
Like you know, the gas unless you probably saw the
mare gasad Brett Favre confrontation.
Speaker 1 (37:09):
You know, absolutely, I'm never gonna go that far with it.
Speaker 3 (37:12):
I laugh about it is what it is.
Speaker 4 (37:14):
I've gotten some stash that probably didn't deserve, you know,
or last year running out the back of the uh.
Speaker 3 (37:19):
But some of but but that's what it is man,
It's it's crazy how much some of this stuff affects guys.
Speaker 4 (37:23):
And then back to my whole take on the Hall
of Fame is lucky that again, I know, I know
where my identity is at right, my identities in Christ,
my family.
Speaker 3 (37:32):
All that stuff.
Speaker 4 (37:33):
There's dudes out there that, man, this this means the
absolute world to them, and those highs and lows can
be can be detrimental to their life.
Speaker 3 (37:40):
And maybe that's not the Hall of Fame's responsibility. But
you don't have to pile on to it either.
Speaker 1 (37:46):
True.
Speaker 2 (37:47):
True, I mean, eventually you're gonna get in there, and
I can't not see you getting in this year like
you and you and Sizzel should definitely leave that charge.
Speaker 3 (37:56):
So it'll be finner than what they're gonna do it
this year. Right, right to go back to New Orleans.
Speaker 2 (38:02):
Come on in, it's gonna be it's gonna be you,
it's gonna be Terressa, it's gonna be Jarry Evans, and
then we'll figure out the rest out.
Speaker 3 (38:10):
Every time I go back, you have to go to
New Orleans. I'm like, man, freaking two thousand and nine,
freak hate this place.
Speaker 1 (38:16):
I had it. Come on y'all paid it back. Bike,
He's paid it back, like twice. You had a Kyle
Rudolph push off the back of the end something you
had Stephan Diggs surgeon. So being a wide receiver. Yeah,
Minnesota miracle. So that's two to one.
Speaker 3 (38:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (38:29):
It doesn't affect me though, but it affected me, I know.
Speaker 3 (38:36):
Yeah, Like I said, room lives to remind me, you
just keep my ring warm for me.
Speaker 2 (38:40):
Man, that's at least. Yeah, Mike Is definitely didn't go
on to win it, so I was like, I'm cool
with it.
Speaker 1 (38:45):
Fine.
Speaker 3 (38:45):
Yeah. And then and then so Sean calls me Peyton
literally after the game, right he called me.
Speaker 4 (38:50):
Uh so was Sunday nights, So we called me like
Monday or Tuesday, and he's like, hey, you know what
we did? Chip blocking you those wire off schemes, Like
you think that will work against s Freeny and all
those guys, blah blah blah blah. I'm like, sh You're
lucky we have friends because I want to put you
in the throat right now. But yes, do what you
did to me and you win the super Bowl and
sure not.
Speaker 2 (39:10):
There they did absolutely yeah, Lee, Yeah they did. Man,
I couldn't I couldn't imagine. I've always wanted to know
what it feels like just even be on the same
field for a chance to win a Super Bowls Honors
NFC Championship, and I'm like.
Speaker 1 (39:22):
Damn, that was dope. Yeah, one more game.
Speaker 3 (39:26):
I almost feel like the super Bowl was was dope, right,
it was.
Speaker 1 (39:29):
It was cool.
Speaker 4 (39:30):
You know, you get that kind of feeling like you're there,
so a lot of the kind of excitement just kind
of dreams because you're there right right.
Speaker 3 (39:39):
You know, the great teams are like, we're there to
win it.
Speaker 4 (39:42):
But the NFC AFC, the two NFC Championship games have
been too I mean the one I lost obviously, when
I won, I mean, losing the NFC Championship is worse
than losing the super Bowl because at least you're there,
and the NFC Championship, you're like, hold up, I was
one game away from the super Bowl and now.
Speaker 3 (39:59):
I'm twenty games away from the super Bowl again.
Speaker 2 (40:01):
Just like that, and you know, sucks, yeah, or you
may not make the playoffs again, like you don't know, yeah, and.
Speaker 3 (40:09):
You and you're a loyalist, man, You're stuck just sticking
with those sects.
Speaker 1 (40:14):
I love them. I love them, and so they don't
love me no more. I love him. Yeah, damn yeah,
it is what it is. So I hope I hope
we get there next year.
Speaker 2 (40:24):
You know.
Speaker 3 (40:25):
Yeah, you guys, you know, quarterback matters.
Speaker 1 (40:27):
You know what I'm saying. Quarterbacks do? Quarterbacks? Quarterbacks definitely do.
Speaker 2 (40:32):
It'd be even greater to have them all seventeen games
now half a season and a half a season.
Speaker 3 (40:38):
Yeah, you guys, you guys, you guys have been hit
by that injury bug. Huge question and what sucks.
Speaker 4 (40:43):
And I was telling someone out the other day, it's like,
you know, you got you really have like these four
to five you know, year blocks, right, and the good
teams know how to you know, elongate that through draft
picks and make sure they got young guys and keeping
that and keeping a veteran culture.
Speaker 3 (40:57):
But I mean, you guys got what's gosh, I just
went blank on the running backs name dude Kamara.
Speaker 4 (41:02):
Yeah, stupid stupid athlete, right, I mean, dudes A but
be honest, you know, and again not you know, I
don't get to see a lot of in New Orleands games,
but I would argue, you know, in the last four
or five years, of his career have been not I
don't want to say wasted, because they've never wasted because
you're you're still bulling, but you don't say that.
Speaker 1 (41:19):
Yeah, you know what I mean, they're not capitalized upon.
Speaker 4 (41:21):
They're not capitalized on, right because you're like, Okay, now,
all of a sudden, when we get when we get
by parts of this dude who's so dynamic is you know,
pushing thirty thirty one, thirty two, thirty three, and you
know we didn't capitalize.
Speaker 3 (41:34):
On the years we had one of the most dynamic players.
Speaker 1 (41:36):
In the game.
Speaker 2 (41:37):
Yeah, but when you had paired him with the Mike
Thomas and you know, then you had paired him with
Drew Brees that last you know, in the last two years,
you're like you see everything that you can see yeaheah.
Speaker 4 (41:47):
It's a I always say when when guys have a
dip or anything like that, it's usually because there's there's
a coaching or culture change and you're just not being
used in the way. But and then you're the anomaly,
right at fourteen years still out there.
Speaker 3 (41:58):
Did it because people?
Speaker 4 (42:01):
Yeah, but even even those educates you thinking about your defense,
Like even in Minnesota, I mean we had an insane defense,
right and you know at that, you know, we had
that four or five year stretch and then all of
a sudden, injury bugs and we weren't doing a good
job replacing guys that were getting hurt and and then
and then you kind of dip off.
Speaker 3 (42:16):
But yeah, it's it's it's a it's a tough league.
And so you know, North, you guys, you guys were
that was a tough spot to be, you know, as an.
Speaker 1 (42:24):
Opponent for many years facts well hopefully many more. Not
not many more, not many more, but a few more.
And like a couple, you're four years and still still
gettings of snow. God loves everybody and including me, But
uh no, we will, we will see.
Speaker 2 (42:41):
You know now, I look at guys like Kalays Campbell
and I'm like, huh, seventeen eighteen, that's a that's a
whole nother room.
Speaker 1 (42:49):
Yeah, yeah, fifteen is doable. I like fifteen and then
we'll talk about sixteen.
Speaker 3 (42:53):
Good number.
Speaker 2 (42:54):
Yeah, After fifteen, I have to I have to talk
to the family, like I've never had an answer to anybody.
And I was like, yeah, I'm going to fifteen, and
nobody's ever pushed back after fifteen.
Speaker 1 (43:04):
I'm there's gonna be some pushback, you.
Speaker 4 (43:05):
Said, absolutely once we get to the you said, yeah
about you though, now yeah comfortable?
Speaker 1 (43:14):
Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 2 (43:15):
But anyways, I appreciate you tapping in with the podcast,
but I've kept you here for almost hour.
Speaker 1 (43:19):
I thank you so much for even spending some time
with us. I do hope you get in this year.
Speaker 3 (43:24):
I appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (43:25):
Which means I'll see you down here in New Orleans
because you know I'll be here.
Speaker 3 (43:28):
I'll be working care of Beau.
Speaker 1 (43:29):
That could be.
Speaker 3 (43:29):
I don't have a lot of fans in New Orleans.
I have said some very bad things about New Orleans.
Speaker 1 (43:33):
Come on, I've had a good time and I've had
good times in Atlanta, and I know they hate me,
so you'll be just fuing here.
Speaker 2 (43:38):
You know, as bad as you talked about them, they
still want a super Bowl, so they don't hold in
true true true.
Speaker 3 (43:43):
Actually, thanks, thank you. Yeah, I appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (43:47):
That part. Hey, I appreciate you, Brosky yea.
Speaker 3 (43:50):
Hopefully we get the connect to and actually meet person
and then have a cola.
Speaker 1 (43:54):
Hell yeah, I bring I'll bring the tequila because I'm
more of a tequila guy than beer guy.
Speaker 3 (43:58):
But got that too. There we go.
Speaker 1 (44:01):
Like I said, appreciate you tapping in off the edge
the pie with Can George
Here we are off the edge with your host Cam Jordan.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
I'm excited because I gotta talk to one of my
one of my young legends.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
When I was young, he was a.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Legend as well as you know, had some time to
play at the same time, as well as a man
who used to call yours on the home found out
it's no longer home for but it's fine. I still
do a Vikings for sure, a legend, a man who
played with kans City Chiefs.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
And finished with the Panthers.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
We'll talk about it. Don't forget the stint with Chicago
as well.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
We're trying to forget that.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
My guy, Jared Allen, big dog, how are you feeling?
Speaker 2 (00:39):
I mean, we could also add to all pros the
Pro Bowls, you know, one hundred and thirty six sacks,
five time Pro bowler, you know.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
Yeah, I'm good, man, I'm good.
Speaker 4 (00:49):
Just enjoying, enjoying the retired life now, I tell you what,
you blinking it And I can't believe I've been done
for almost nine ten years now and it's uh, it's
a crazy thing.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
Mm you're still playing. I'll say it sounds good though.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
Oh, it's amazing. I love it. I love it.
Speaker 4 (01:06):
I saw you, I saw you on do some NFL
thing the other day, and I was just you know,
they said fourteen years, and I think it's because I
have I know your dad so well right then, I
just make sure you was younger and not really like
like you know, I'm like fourteen years. There's definitely long
in the tooth.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
Now we're still doing it. I mean, come on your
eighties baby. How many eighties baby? We had some, you know,
we had some go through.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
Absolutely, absolutely, it's good to see you out.
Speaker 4 (01:35):
They're still getting after people, man, and so especially because
in this modern day, like you know, what everything's like
seems to be like a specific position. Everybody's got this
like oh he's a pastors or he's a run They're
always constantly moving.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
So to see a four down d N still crushing and.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
Lost, yeah, you know, bring the hands to work and
bring them every day, you know, like I still enjoy
choking a good office of lineman out and thank you.
Speaker 4 (02:01):
I was telling something the other day, this is that
hands of the face rule where you can't go to
hands the face office. You want to get my hands
on my face, go for it, because I'm going right
back to you, no doubt, right, So you know what,
it's getting a little soft in there, and.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
The triple a little now that the referees are stuck
behind the office of line so all that they don't
even see it hands on the face.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
They just see net movement. I'm like, come on, don't
do this. You know they're fat and mel athletic. Anyways, Off,
it's a lineman like that's they don't have a neck
to push back. Anyways, what are we talking about?
Speaker 2 (02:30):
Yeah, I'm with you, but I guess I want to
go roll it right into my first question because I
don't even know if I know the answer to this.
Why did you have the number sixty nine? Like as
a kid, we laughed at it all the time, but
you know, no, so dude, no joke.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
So I was number forty one.
Speaker 4 (02:45):
So I was number one in high school, right, and
my best friend was forty five, I bet when my
best friends passed away in high school. So I was
gonna get forty five going to college for him, And
for some reason they wanted to merge the two and
they gave me forty one in college. So I kept
it right, cool whatever, but back and then you know
when I came to the league. You had to have
certain there was you know, each position could only be
(03:05):
a certain number set right, and I'll pick They gave
me sixty nine, right, And there was another you know
between a fat out of a lot of those fat
out of the alignment that number six and nine two.
I'm like, GEESEU, this doesn't farewell one of.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
Us, can't. You know, one of us is making the team.
Speaker 4 (03:19):
So anyways, I get through I get through camp obviously,
you know, make the team, no problem.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
And they asked me if I wanted to change it
in my d line coach Bob carmellowitz Uh. He was,
I mean, it was just tougher.
Speaker 4 (03:31):
I spoke like this if my throat cancer like fourteen times,
and and just it was just always just a hardcore,
just no nonsense guy. He was like, you keep that number.
You're an old school player, and you're gonna make it
that that's an old school number. You keep that number, don't.
I don't want to see you in the nineties or
anything like that. So I was like, all right, cool man,
So I just kept it.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (03:50):
A lot of people think like, oh, I had all
the other connotations. I'm like, yeah, dude to me, and
then a guy I respected told me not.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
To not to change it, so I was like, cool,
I'm in that makes a lot of sense too. I mean,
I like the connotation's part. But you know, you're in
high school. You see Jared Allen with the sack and like, yeah,
sixty nine back then again.
Speaker 4 (04:11):
I'm like the only you know, being a California kid
growing up and going to school in California. You know,
I got to meet Snoop Dogg, like once or twice
you got to meet a Super Bowl time. I was thinking,
I was like, maybe Snup will wear my jersey one
time because of the number, and he never did.
Speaker 3 (04:23):
Aht to get you.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
Come on, come on. Snoop is the only person that's
been like deemed the unk for the last forty years.
I have no idea how he is. He's uncle. Snoop
just been around for that long.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
She doesn't age. I don't know what it is he
doesn't age.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
It's like it's like when he was twenty, he looked
like he was forty, but now that he's like sixty,
he still looks like he's forty.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
I haven't been able to.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
And on everything, on everything, and that's the one guy
you don't get tired of seeing on everything.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
Loved him as the ambassador to the to the Olympics,
the best him and Martha Stewart.
Speaker 1 (04:59):
I was like, this is this is so, but we're
not here to talk about it. Then we're going to
talk about you.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
You and my dad have kicked it, bro Like you know,
like the last story I heard you, like I said
that was was back when you you own a piece.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
Of a club in like Scottsdale.
Speaker 4 (05:11):
You know I used to half Yeah, no, I never
owned all halfe one of an oral parts. So I
owned the lodge for goodness, like twelve years. I used
to own a place called Revolver out there, and I
should remember that place.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
The Red Revolver, the double R.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
Yes, the Red Revolver.
Speaker 4 (05:29):
So that we stole that and then you know, I
just I just got out of the lodge last year,
gave that over to our GM and my little partner,
and so yeah, you know I got obviously be with Minnesota.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
Your dad's a big name you know there.
Speaker 4 (05:42):
Uh well, I mean again when I was playing you know,
and you know, uh, we had our golf tournament with
my foundation were when I was in Arizona, and you
want to get people to and we always wanted to
get local.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
Guys and always you know, some of the older guys.
Speaker 4 (05:57):
You always had a mixed bag of people because our
golf tournament was not about anybody who was was too
that thought they were too important.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
It was about just having fun and good times.
Speaker 4 (06:05):
And so your dad's company at Ryans, the company actually
sponsored a couple of vance holes came out and honestly,
we just started staying in touch and then you know,
we got a couple of beers at the you know,
at the three party or something like that. Right, always
enjoyed talking him. Did your dad become one of my
favorite people? Just like his story, his journey, you know,
playing in the eighties, you know what I mean was
a totally different ballgame and coming out the other side
(06:27):
of the strikes and stuff like that. And man going
to Brown University like to me, like your Pops' story
is inspiring across the board for Everybody's just a cool dude.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
A Phoenix kid with two parents that were teachers, and
next thing you know, he goes to Brown and yeah,
somehow puts together a thirteen year, six time Pro Bowl career.
No yeah, just a stud and then just a freaking stud.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
Like you know how many kids it takes to create
his his life story, Like I'm the football player, my
brother has to work in construction, you know, like it's
gonna take both sons equal what Pops did.
Speaker 4 (06:59):
Yeah, that's the and then like not even like just
what he's an engineer, right, and it's like you have
an engineering degree from Brown and worked for Ryan Company
is like this massive fortune five hundred company. I think
I was always look at you know and tell people,
you know, and your dad was, you know, so awesome
to come up to my ring of honest ceremonial as well.
So I was still down them.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
There for that.
Speaker 4 (07:19):
But yeah, like I view him as like the perfect
I you know, like Jerry West was like the icon
of the the NBA is what it is supposed to be, right,
Like you have a great career and then you're successful
after your career, like.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
You know, it's awesome.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
Yeah, sorry, you put yourself in the mold. You're freaking
you freaking have a ranch. You were like a ranch hype.
In fact, how do you go from you know, finishing
up in Carolina to going and living in Arizona? To
moving to Nashville, Like, oh yeah.
Speaker 4 (07:48):
So Arizona was always two thousand and I think six.
I move Arizona is my off season base right was
training out there and my wife, my wife out there
in two thousand and nine. We have married twenty ten,
but she wore to Issue. She's from Shock area. But
we lived out there for almost like fourteen years. Right
when we did, right when I went after I left
me the stoar and went into free agency, and then
(08:09):
it was still there.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
Went to Chicago. Chicago was was a dumpty. I was
the only time I took the money. I took the money.
Should have just retired. Blew my L five out right.
It was like, oh my goodness.
Speaker 4 (08:20):
And then so I asked him to tram me to
Carolina my last year, knowing I was going to retire.
Gets Carolina first for Little No Joe.
Speaker 3 (08:27):
Saturday walked the.
Speaker 4 (08:28):
Were getting ready to go to play Tampa rookie quarterback,
rookie tackle and my hands back in the dirt and
my dad, I'm about to eat this dude live walked through. Bam,
dude runs into my hip L five blown out again.
I was like, ah, play played that game with a
bust at l five. Couldn't feel like I couldn't lift
my heel off the ground for like three weeks after that,
got back, but then after so so after that, I
(08:48):
I was retired for Carolina Super Bowl. So we went
back there Scott's Stale with there out of your building it.
We've just been building our house, lived there for about
a year and and we just been got kind of
tired of the desert. We wanted seasons again.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
Like I said, wait, you just finished building the house
and then you left the year later.
Speaker 4 (09:01):
Year later, No joking, this is gonna sound so stupid,
you understand the different. So we went from Arizona, never
having scorpions. Was this beautiful house that was silver Relief
and we lived. Yeah, we came up from Tall We
came up from Tono one year one day and uh
and dude, they're building behind us and left in all
of a sudden. I mean we must have fod like
thirteen scorpions of the house. And I was like, oh,
(09:23):
hell no, I'm done. My kids were younger at the time.
My oldest was like, uh, I guess probably five. My
youngest was three.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
And you know, we we've been wanting seasons anyways or
you know, some mild seasons. And we loved Carolina, We
really did. Charlotte was so much fun. We had such
a blast.
Speaker 4 (09:41):
And I had friends out in Nashville, so we're like,
that's screw it, let's let's go. And they were going
to some the you know they're really good schools. Were
looking for good Christian schools center kids too, And then
we got here and it was like circa Phoenix two
thousand and you know, six seven, eight, nine, ten.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
Just like everybody moved out here.
Speaker 4 (10:00):
Every reason we left, like North Scottsdale, Like, if I
see one more person drop their kid off and a
freaking ferrari.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
I'm about to punch somebody, like like we all got
money to drive a truck.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
That's that's that. I don't know where these kids are
going to find their struggle from. I don't, dude.
Speaker 3 (10:18):
I struggle with that as probably too.
Speaker 4 (10:21):
It's like, you know, even though I remind my kids constantly,
just because your mom and I live good doesn't mean
you have anything anything.
Speaker 3 (10:28):
Yeah, and we work, right, we still whether it's in
the garden, whether it's you know, on the farm, right,
we show our.
Speaker 4 (10:33):
Kids, like listen, we don't have anti and if people's
lifestyle are for that, no judgment.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
We just that's not our lifestyle. And it's hard, especially.
Speaker 4 (10:41):
When you're you know, you know, probably I you know,
I grew up very blue collar, grew up on a
horsemancher and my dad tying rain and cutting horses, and
then to have something, you know, to I still have
that mindset. I still everything I do, I just work
and do it myself. But you said, you try to
send your kids at the best schools.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
You try to send your kids and these things, but
then they're surrounded by.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
These you know, you can kids that have been been
used to having the best first, and you're just like.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
I've told Wifey, in a couple of years, we're going
to a three bedroom, two bedroom apartment for a year.
Like yep, you're gonna know what roymen Noodle and Tampico.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
Is, you know, like just like, get us some bunk beds.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
But let me, I got so off topic. That's that's
on me.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
I did talk to Peanut Tilban and Big Heart, and
they they said you were an amazing teammate, but they
wanted to talk a little bit about your time in Carolina.
You know, it's called twenty fifteen and just said see
if you had any any four thoughts on one.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
Thomas Davis and a prayer circle O prayer in the
locker room.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
Thomas Davis was a listen as a Christian.
Speaker 4 (11:47):
I'm all for prayer anywhere, but sometimes you can't be
dropping like f bombs during the prayer.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
You know what I'm saying. Oh, no, you gotta get,
you gotta get free, free, he gets, he gets.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
He just goes. So we have this rehearse you know,
you know it was a rehearsed, but he.
Speaker 4 (12:04):
Basically takes some Thomas Davis would take some, uh some
quotes from the Bible, like you know, if you know,
if he's.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
For us, who could be against us? Those times thing
everybody be shouted out and kind of became this thing.
I always always thought it was interesting, funny. So I
thought Rome. Rome was one of my favorite people.
Speaker 4 (12:20):
I love Pianis and Peanut I were in Chicago together too,
right and uh Rome always used to remind me that,
you know he has.
Speaker 3 (12:25):
My Super Bowl ring.
Speaker 4 (12:27):
Uh when because good old New Orleans Saints and back
in two thousand and nine, freaking you guys, and uh
so we always joke that we're gonna win one together.
Then you let the pass me the past, and then
uh peanuts. Peanut says he's the best. He's a prankster
and and love. So I'll tell you a funny story
about Chicago though. So I got pneumonia and Chicago and
(12:48):
uh busted.
Speaker 3 (12:49):
Chicago was rough. I busted my out five literally got
the money.
Speaker 4 (12:52):
I lost like nineteen pounds in like a in like
a seven day span. Right, So I missed the Green
Bay game and I come back and playing Carolina. We're
actually playing Carolina, so I get you know, you gotta
wear a suit on the on the plane. So I
come and my suit no longer is like this rune,
it's like this, right, So I got my cowboy and
on everything like that. So Peter starts calling me DBC
(13:15):
Dallas fires Fluck so stuck, so stuck, and you call
me DVC the rest of the year because I just
looked deadly sick, oh dude, And uh so, yeah that
was that was a good time. But yeah, Thomas Davis,
the Praisers, Sure it was always great, uh man, I always,
I just did. We had so much fun in Carolina
(13:36):
that year. It suck not to win the Super Bowl.
We talked about being humbled. That was one of those years,
and as as a as an older guy and a
pass rusher in the league, and and but you know,
you you expect there to stay at a level that is.
It's that you expect, right, you don't play it anybody
don't the standard of your team. You played your standard.
And you know, it was frustrated my last my last
year dealing with those injuries and stuff like that. And
(13:59):
then and you know, knowing I was going to retire
because I wasn't willing to put the work in to
be at the standard.
Speaker 3 (14:04):
Iye game necessary, but it.
Speaker 4 (14:06):
Was humbling because it was like statistically one of my
worst years I've ever you know, I played, but from
a team standpoint, is our best.
Speaker 3 (14:12):
You know, I got to play in the super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (14:13):
It was great.
Speaker 4 (14:14):
And that's why you know, Carolina will always hold you know,
a special time at place in my heart because we
had so much fun. Sean McDermott like, I love that guy.
Speaker 3 (14:22):
I never came out. I came in. I was like
apologizing toil. I was like, man, coach, you know, I've
been hitting the quarterback and.
Speaker 4 (14:26):
I got to get these sac numbers up to help us,
and he threw on my run tape right and he's like,
we don't.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
Have anybody at setting edgines like this right now. And
so I was like it was humbling, right, because you
get so sometimes.
Speaker 4 (14:38):
You get so caught up in what the flashy stuff is,
you forget that, you know, football is a team sport,
and sometimes you have a role to play and sometimes
you know it ain't the role you want to play, right,
But we're winning games and you know.
Speaker 3 (14:49):
So you know, Carolina was great, Thomas Davids was great.
Room was my guy. Peanut freaking joined the FBI like
that dude, they're nuts.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
And he showed he showed you that edge run play.
Did he make you start playing three technique?
Speaker 2 (15:01):
No?
Speaker 3 (15:01):
That was I was never gonna be that heavy, right, That's.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
Good for you, bro. Look this year happened for me.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
I'm like, I came in the lightest I've ever been,
like two seventy something, two seventy, two seventy four, and.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
This year like, hey, third down, go go rush against
the guard. And I was like, no, that's not what
I do.
Speaker 4 (15:18):
No, no, no.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
In fact, Russia gets the Russian gets the center. We're
gonna have these young guys on this edge, and I'm like,
what did I do to deserve this?
Speaker 1 (15:26):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (15:26):
Right, Like, all all I've done is ever whooped everybody
on the edge. Now you're gonna ring me in a
three technique the seventies like a d tackle these days.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
Yeah, if you're if you're Aaron Donald.
Speaker 4 (15:37):
Yeah, well that's that's a whole other beast right there. Now.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
They keep the Vitaves, the Vitavese, the dexter Lawrences, the
dexter Lawrences.
Speaker 4 (15:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
I love seeing Chris Jones.
Speaker 4 (15:47):
And the dude, dude, dude gets to the quarterback, he
stops the one, right, I mean, of course, it's it's
like it's remember I used to tell our d line
coach all the time too.
Speaker 3 (15:57):
I used to hate when we would go our nickel.
Speaker 4 (15:59):
Package right and then we go green and have two
three techniques because I'm like, now, all you're doing is
out on the center of scan.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
I was like, I used to love a big dukie.
Pat Williams was right there on the nose.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
Williams wall.
Speaker 3 (16:09):
You know I played with big He's gonna get three
yards deep. No one's not stopping Pat from getting three
yards deep. Nobody now and now the guard has to
respect him. And if the guard comes to me, he's
gonna win. If not, I got a one on one.
So yeah, I'm a big fan of keeping the big
guys in there, even when you're pass rushing.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
Keep the big guys. Look, you don't need four dancing bears.
Sometimes you need a ward hog or two.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
Yeah, push that big ass pocket and guess what. The
ads can do anything they want.
Speaker 3 (16:36):
I used to tell the the de Tagle all the time.
Speaker 4 (16:39):
I said, if you get three yards deep every pass
rush and stay in your let, I promise you I'll
get your five sacks.
Speaker 3 (16:44):
He's three five sacks. I'll chase him right to you.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
They gonna step up in yours.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
You start thinking yourself, then you're not and you get
my way. We're gonna have a problem every.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
And every year.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
You're gonna get a detacle like oh, I like to
do the swim or the rif with the chop like, well,
actually you're six yards up the field, bro, I didn't
ask you to be there.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
I need I need interior rushers to be three to
four yards up the field and be able to play
both gaps.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
And I need and I need you to go ahead
and stop the screens. That's your job.
Speaker 4 (17:13):
So uh yeah, I think the game the game shifted
either so many hybrids now there's so many this, but
you go back and there's still some teams out there
getting you know, I like, I like what Denver did
this year, right, you know, and they got it. They
got some big guys in the in the in the
in the DJ Jones, I think he played DJ Jones.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
Zach Zach Taylor, Yeah, yeah, Zach Zach Allen, Right, yeah, Allen,
what does that?
Speaker 3 (17:33):
Zach Zach Allen, Yeah DJ. I like DJ from the standpoint,
like he can do it both.
Speaker 4 (17:38):
But he's another one of those old school kind of
nose tackles, right, you know, he actually played for three.
Speaker 3 (17:43):
He's that interior d lineman that that's what he does.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
You know.
Speaker 3 (17:46):
Zach's kind of could flex a little bit I think
in modern day.
Speaker 4 (17:49):
But then yeah, but you got guys like Nick Benito
who know they're roy they are going to come off
the edge, and I think that's you saw me. You know,
they got sixty three SASH this year. And when I
watched their film, guy knew their role in their responsibilities
in the past Rush game and that's in you know,
a good a good solid interior allows your your your
edge guys to.
Speaker 3 (18:08):
Have two way go. You're freaking absolutely has a two
way go. You're good. At some point you're killing a tackle.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
Jonathan Cooper on the other side going crazy, like you
look up and it's it's, you know, thirteen sacks one side,
eleven sacks the other side.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
Six sacks in the middle like the eight sacks. They're
like you just you can piece together quite time.
Speaker 3 (18:30):
And that's and that's the thing. And that's and that's
where coaches kind of got it. You got to get
the way. That's why I love Jamarking.
Speaker 4 (18:34):
So I was able to not just this year, the
year before I did it, Uh just some consulting with
Denver and and it was it was really cool. I got,
you know, work with Jamar and Mike will Hoyt and
those guys, and and you know, even you know, talking
with coaches given the player perspective, is you know, really
allowing because somebody coaches too, they want to get into
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this this.
Speaker 3 (18:55):
Aspect of like, well we got to push the middle.
Speaker 4 (18:57):
We got a cajuble on the outside, especially in this
I mean, you know better than me, We didn't have
that many mobile quarterbacks when I when I was playing right. Uh,
this whole era of crazy athletic quarterbacks, I think coaches
kind of they they chase ghosts and they get scared
and they don't they don't allow their guys to take
their shot. So that's why it's so important to have
guys on the same page and have middle push that
you see color replace color. But you gotta allow your
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talented guys to have two way goes.
Speaker 3 (19:21):
You got allowed to throw.
Speaker 4 (19:22):
Otherwise you get into these things where these quarterbacks are
too good that they can scramble, they can pat the ball,
they can just tear you apart.
Speaker 3 (19:28):
It hurts you.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
It hurts you in the ground and in the air.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
Then you're just sitting there stuck. We gotta we got
to cage them, but he's killing us in the air.
But we gotta get after him, but he's killing us
with his feet.
Speaker 3 (19:37):
Yeah, you get coach ever told me I would?
Speaker 4 (19:40):
Oh man, it was dang or a fight you If
I heard the word cage rush come out of some
coaches mouth on the sidelines, you always then why am
I here?
Speaker 3 (19:46):
You want a cage rush? Go get me gags.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
Look, I was. I was okay with them, Like, yo,
I'm a power rusher.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
Anyways, throw age, okay, cage rush because I'm on the
left side and i'm and we're facing a right handed quarterback.
Speaker 1 (19:57):
I get it. But you gotta let the other court,
the other defensive be and go eat then.
Speaker 2 (20:01):
Yeah, Like, if he's right right handed quarterback, that means
that the guy on the other side got to be
able to have the inside movie.
Speaker 3 (20:06):
Did you know that you also got to earn the
right to miss right? You got to earn the right.
Speaker 4 (20:10):
I tell people all the time, the difference between greatness
and failure this much. I actually got a chance, and
the only reason I'm considered great is because I made
the plays. If I missed him, I probably would have
washed out.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
But hey, that's tell guys all the time, like, hey, pressures,
pressures are cool.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
Sacks will come, but if they don't, and all you
are is a pressure guy.
Speaker 3 (20:31):
Have you seen some of these stats they make?
Speaker 1 (20:33):
They love they love the pressure, led the pressures every year.
What does that do for you?
Speaker 4 (20:39):
The guy has three sacks, but he's led the league.
He's the number one defensive player for pressures, QB hits
and attempted sacks. I'm like, jeez, get out of here.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
I'm like, I'm like, and that's a stat that nobody
will care about when he's done playing, right.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
Yeah, absolutely absolutely.
Speaker 4 (20:53):
It's it's amazing how they find ways to, uh to
create hype on some of these guys.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
Now, I feel like Brad Pitt and he was when
he was Achilles, like, and that's why nobody else will
remember your name, precious.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
QB is like, did you get them down? Yes or no?
Like we can talk about the theory of getting them down,
but like, that's what that is.
Speaker 4 (21:13):
Theory one hundred percent. Yeah, you got to get that's
step one. But eventually you got it, you gotta make
it happen. And that's why I'm you know, and I
look at guys, you know you rush, especially these top
guys that rushing.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
Crazy this year.
Speaker 4 (21:28):
A lot of these top guys are on the left.
That's my probably my only point I don't like about
some of these top tier guys. Go to the right side,
go with the best tackle and let's see what Let's
see what happens.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
I don't know if I don't know if they're the
best tackles anymore. Honestly, no, I agree with you. And honestly,
now look at the right ends, like you sort of
had it easy. Like are you like if you're on
if you're.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
On the left, you're a left d or whatever. Whatever.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
You go against their left tackle. You're right in and
you're going against the better tackle. You're also in the
quarterbacks blind spot. Yeah, he doesn't see you at all.
Speaker 3 (22:01):
That's that's that's why I love us. That's how I
got put over there. Right.
Speaker 4 (22:04):
That's back in the day, they're like, the best tackle
is going to be on the black spot. You want
to be the best, you gotta go against the best.
I you know, I see you know, guys kind of
move around, you know, stuff like that. Yeah, you know again,
you're right.
Speaker 3 (22:17):
The tackle play though it is not the same. It's
not the same you first came in either, uh and
so I.
Speaker 4 (22:23):
But it's it's funny to see the shift because when
I was when I was in the league, I mean,
everybody who was in.
Speaker 3 (22:29):
The top tier was the right end.
Speaker 4 (22:30):
Right.
Speaker 3 (22:31):
It's flopped. Now almost everybody in the top tier is
a left end. Yeah, right, so I.
Speaker 4 (22:36):
So I then I argue, I wonder, you know, you know,
Trent Williams is probably still the only true solid like
left tackle from from from from you know, back in
the day a little bit. But yeah, maybe maybe that,
maybe that maybe they're with these mobile quarterbacks and shift,
they're putting the best players, you know, they put the
best players.
Speaker 3 (22:51):
They're putting the best player on the.
Speaker 4 (22:52):
Right now because the right ends or left ends might
be getting more one on ones because now they know
the quarterbacks can see them and they're gone anyway, So
what do they care about their blind side?
Speaker 2 (23:00):
Yeah, I gotta don't have worry about the black side's
about to be out of here.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
He can't get the ball off of the first second read.
He's gone anyways.
Speaker 4 (23:06):
Because you look at you go back and look at
Philly what Lane Johnson was kind of their all pro.
He was the right he was the right tackle.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
Right.
Speaker 3 (23:13):
Yeah, interesting, that's interesting.
Speaker 4 (23:15):
I gotta take a look at that because I think
maybe the dynamics shift and that's why you're seeing the
top guys over on the left.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
As quarterbacks to get more mobile.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
You don't need you like you gotta if you gotta
just the guy on the on the uh, you know,
protect the blind side. That's fine because he got his
first three second read out. Yeah, you got guys that
can make it work.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
Hey, I guess then you want your best.
Speaker 4 (23:34):
You want your best, and then you're gonna wat your
best pass usure in his in his vision, right right,
You're gonna want him looking at you.
Speaker 3 (23:39):
That makes sense. That that's football. The game is always changing.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
Look, it's always evolving.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
We'll be right back. You're nine years out now, about
to be ten years out. That's crazy to think about.
In the history of the NFL. I looked up, it's
just you and one. You know one Arizona uh one,
Arizona native Terrell's US. They have over one hundred and
you know, one hundred and thirty something sacks. You know
you ad one thirty six has got to be somewhere
around there on thirty eight ish. You two are the
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only ones above one hundred and thirty without the h
o F.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
When does it call it? Your name?
Speaker 3 (24:14):
Oh Man?
Speaker 4 (24:15):
To be honest with you, I thought I should have
been in. Yeah, I should have been in three years ago.
You know I've been since I was eligible. I've been
a finalist. This is my fifth time as a finalist.
I know Troell sucks.
Speaker 3 (24:25):
He's a finalist this year is his first year is eligibility.
I don't know why.
Speaker 4 (24:29):
I don't know why they haven't putting in. Dude, be honestly,
I tell them all the time. I'm like, it clearly
isn't because of my numbers. So I probably pised somebody
off along the way. You can't say that to me,
So I be honest. I thought I was gonna go
in my second year. I was pretty bumped. I didn't
get to go in uh third year, especially like me
and where the markets were, I have pretty much identical careers.
And then so he went on his second ballot, freeing
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who I my numbers are. I got more numbers less.
Speaker 3 (24:53):
Time than him.
Speaker 4 (24:54):
He went in a second ballot. Somehow I was sitting
around in my fifth ballot. All the great players, I think.
That's my My beef with the Hall is like they
they make you start kind of like second guessing, and
you're like, well, hold I played, I've been out ten years.
There's nothing I can do about it, right, I'm right,
one more season yourself. Like I'm a massive fan of
Julius Pepers, I'm a massive fan of all these guys.
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There are great players, you know, But the reality is
when I played. Nobody had more sex than me in
the twelve years I played.
Speaker 3 (25:22):
And so it's hard. It's hard.
Speaker 4 (25:24):
It's hard to understand why I'm not in yet. But
hopefully this will be the year. If not, but at
the end of the day, you know that's not the
reason I played. I truly played this game for the
respect of my peers and the respect of those who
played before me. So you know, sitting here talking with
you and and then you know you have the unique
perspective of having it of a dad who's in the
Ring of Honor of Minnesota and being able to talk
to guys like your dad and then tell me, hey,
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Jared played the game right like that means more than
me than any gold jacket, whether any.
Speaker 3 (25:50):
For the people believe or not.
Speaker 4 (25:51):
I mean, the Hall of Fame is one of the
greatest honors you could ever have. I'd be I would
wear that thing with honor. But at the end of
the day, I'm not kissing the ring. I'm not playing
the political game.
Speaker 3 (25:58):
If my if my, if my the.
Speaker 4 (26:00):
Product I put on the field, if it doesn't stand
the test of time, or you don't think I'm good enough,
then just.
Speaker 3 (26:05):
Say that, right, Let it be what it's gonna be.
Don't put me in the files, that's fine. But if
it is, put me in, let's stop playing this song
and dance because I'm.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
Not I'm not playing the right Stop playing me.
Speaker 3 (26:15):
Yeah, right, you know what I mean?
Speaker 4 (26:16):
Like my number speak for themselves and again sugs, you know,
but he had seventeen years something like that, right, you know,
I was big on my average.
Speaker 3 (26:25):
And you know, they don't really give you criteria. That's
the thing that frustrate you. They don't tell you really
why you don't make it right? You do criteria.
Speaker 4 (26:30):
I've heard things from like, oh, if you would have played,
you know, a couple more years and had four more sacks,
you would have walked in first ballot. And for me,
my my average, I was actually pissed. I dropped below
twelve a year. So I but it's probably not the
right thing, but it's a great motivation. Got their Cunningham gods.
So when I came to the league, he was like, hey,
Derek Thomas average twelve sacks a year. You aren't worth
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your salt unless you average twelve sacks a year as
a rookie. So you know, now you got a rookie,
he allly cares about to get into the quarterback. So
but that's how I measured myself. And I just I
you know, I cared so much about making sure I
was in that you know, that rough of that twelve
sac of year average. And then again just you know,
with the injuries. You know, I played in the Super
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Bowl and bust and foot busted my l five twice.
Speaker 3 (27:15):
But you know, no one really knows about those things
because I kept playing.
Speaker 4 (27:18):
I played through them, and I believe that, if you know,
seventy percent of me was better than the guy behind me.
And that's kind of the other thing that it's hard
for me to look at some of these guys that
you know, I still got a torn pack. I played
nine with a complete torn pack. You know, guys that
missed full seasons. You know, with some of these injuries
that that I've played through, I mean, teach their own, uh.
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I just you know, maybe maybe that's maybe that maybe
that's maybe some smarter than me. I probably would have
got fixed up. I could have had one hundred fifty
Hall of Fame already.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
You just took a couple of weeks off. No, I don't,
I don't know nothing. I don't know.
Speaker 3 (27:51):
I hope we get it.
Speaker 4 (27:52):
I love is one of my favorite guys. You know,
like I said, he uh, another issue guy. I used
to I used to love watching him play in college.
I'll give you, I'll give you guys we want here.
Speaker 3 (28:02):
One of the funniest Trell Sugg stories there. It's not
even him were we were. It was one of his friends.
We were on up we were all planing on to
Hawaii and about you.
Speaker 4 (28:11):
Know, Hawaiian airlines non stop from Phoenix to to Honolulu,
and uh, we're sitting in first class and so they
come around with the pog juice.
Speaker 3 (28:20):
You know, you give you those pog juice when you
get on the plane.
Speaker 4 (28:23):
And one of his buddies was sitting behind me, and
so he goes, excuse me, ma'm can I get a
vodka vodka cranberry and sen bras of Abka cranberry. And
he goes to pay and she said, she said, oh no,
the drinks are complimentary up here. And his to the
amount of excitement this dude got was like hey, he
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started yelling to his buddies up with the other foot across.
You know, we were like the back left the first
class literally front right, the first left.
Speaker 3 (28:51):
Hey yo, hey yo dog, the vodka cranberries are free
up there.
Speaker 1 (28:57):
At all party, A tall party. Yeah yeah, it's just
I was like.
Speaker 3 (29:01):
Man, he was so excited. I'm ordered about the tripp.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
I have I have what He's happy? Hell yeah, oh man,
I was.
Speaker 4 (29:11):
I was dying laughing and Suck just sitting there shaking
his head, cracking up, smiling his buddy. I mean, he
was elated. I was like that, that's what that should be.
Everybody should have that same joy with her flying first class.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
Hell yeah, So you guys were that's back when the
Pro Bowl was in Hawaii.
Speaker 4 (29:28):
That was good.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
Yeah, yeah, I caught that. I think I caught the laugh.
My first two Pro Bowls were in Hawaii.
Speaker 3 (29:34):
So when was your first one?
Speaker 1 (29:35):
And so he was, ay been thirteen, So that's the
day they did.
Speaker 3 (29:40):
They did thirteen sven or twelve one of them.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
One of them I think fourteen was Arizona.
Speaker 4 (29:45):
But yeah, let then came back so we went to Orlando,
I think in like that nine ten, so that ten
Super Bowl or was sorry, I was down in Fort Lauderdale,
Miami Pro Bowl the first year they moved it from
Hawaii it was a miserable fail.
Speaker 3 (29:58):
And then they moved it back to Hawaii.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
Miami. Miami can't be a miserable.
Speaker 4 (30:01):
Fan, Dude, don't because they didn't get They didn't so
they didn't run out the entire hotel and guys were
no joke. We had dudes coming from the club to
the game. It was like the NFL sent like four
people home that year. It was just like, right goal
back Hawaii. So I played at twelve and then I
think you're right, I think thirteen and then fourteen.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
Thirteen, thirteen was for sure Hawaii because I was like,
I was like, I'm here. I was like, yes, yes,
and then fifteen had fifteen season. I think like the
next year, I think they went to Arizona, or maybe
the year before that they went to Arizona and then
came back to Hawaii and my son was born.
Speaker 1 (30:40):
I was like, I was like, I've finally done it.
Pop took me to Pops with me to Hawaii when
he made the Pro Bowl. I took my son Hawaii
would make the Pro Bowl. This is awesome, like this
full circle.
Speaker 4 (30:49):
I made my first trip ever. I waited, I love joke,
never went to Hawaii and telling me the Pro Bowl,
so that without all By went to Hawaii and then
I got to.
Speaker 3 (30:58):
Bring my daughter. You know, she was three months all
I got the bringer over the few times it.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
Was like, right, we'll be back in a minute.
Speaker 2 (31:05):
Let me ask you this, this Hall of Fame situation,
is it you have to go to like the hotel
and then like if it's knock on the door.
Speaker 3 (31:12):
I got lucky in that, so COVID they ended that. Man,
no joke.
Speaker 4 (31:15):
I was at the Super Bowl, so they used to
bring the top fifteen out and they would praye you
around like you were basically game all week. I mean
you and your wife all dressed up, ready to go
to the ceremony, and then you get if you either
get the knock or the call, and get the call,
you pack it up and hit the hit the road, right.
And I mean I watched these guys on the plane
just like dejected or something like that. That's not honoring
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and that's my problem, right, they're not. It starts out
this big Arnham at the final fifteen. They've already way,
they already cut the ten, so there's five people automatically
don't even get to get voted off.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
Right.
Speaker 4 (31:46):
Then in that ten, they cut you, then they cut
to the final five, and then they do the updown
vote for seventy percent, right, and so it's like, you know,
they really could, in my opinion, could just have five finalists, right,
and be like Baseball and then be transparent. Either get
seventy percent of the vote or you don't. Right, you
can put a baseball. You can put as many in
as you want or as little end as you want.
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So I think what happens is you get to this
point where you guys are being celebrated and then it's
this axe and then they just kind of disregard you
after you're not and you just kind of get disregarded
and they ask you to kind of carry on the
ruse until, you know, until the NFL Honors show, and
you're like, man, it's just it's not it's not a
way to honor guys career. And then and then you're
pitting guys like well then you're not know this that
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you're just comparing guys to who you're fans of, who
you're probably friends with, and it's this this this kind
of this feeling.
Speaker 3 (32:35):
Of like, man, you look for me.
Speaker 1 (32:37):
You made a pseudo war out of it.
Speaker 3 (32:39):
Well, yeah, it's like and then you get you get guys.
Speaker 4 (32:41):
You know again, it's it kind of takes the stinger
away from me, Like again, I I think about the
Hall of Fame for the couple of weeks on the
Finalist and then afterwards, if you know, the last year,
I haven't been mad.
Speaker 3 (32:51):
I'm like, then I'm pissed. I'm like, why am I
even pissed? I don't There's nothing I can do about it.
Who cares? I go out living my life right. My
kids are still gonna love me, and my wife loves me.
I still got churst to dude. Nothing my life and change.
Speaker 4 (33:00):
And but you know, it's just sad because it really
you take that, you take this stands where you should
be honoring these guys, and there's a moment where it
becomes almost like just a show or or you guys
that just feel so rejected.
Speaker 3 (33:17):
And they shouldn't have to feel that way. And so,
you know, and I get it.
Speaker 4 (33:20):
It's it's not everybody gets in, and not everybody, but
at some point, you know, six seven, eight, nine times
in the finals, like come on, if you keep putting
the guy that just put them in, nothing's changing all
you're doing is telling me is you're waiting for the
You're waiting for someone who you deem weaker than me
for me to surpass. That's all right, right, all right
now you're the cute girl amongst the ugly people.
Speaker 1 (33:41):
All right now you're now you're we like this class. Yeah,
no doubt.
Speaker 4 (33:47):
Ah. But at the end of the day, it is
what it is, and uh it's it's a great honor
to be in the finals. It's a great honor to
be considered. Uh again, my my, my true, my true
elation comes from when when guys that that I Revere
is some of the best players ever, you know, tell
me I did it right, Or when I'm talking to
(34:09):
you know, you know, guys like you were, guys that
I played against other world linemen, my name comes up
and they just knew there was a lunch panial type
of day when they had to play me, you know.
And why I don't have regrets. I could hang my
head high. I was never cut nothing like that. So
even though I didn't win the super Bowl, got to
experience it.
Speaker 1 (34:24):
It is what it is.
Speaker 2 (34:26):
I'll say, do you think that do you think that's
one of the things that holds you back is not
having a Super Bowl, which I think is a very
much quarterback winning.
Speaker 4 (34:32):
Because you know, in the Super Bowl we lost, I
mean we held, we held the Broncos one hundred and
eighty six so many yards.
Speaker 3 (34:37):
What more can I do? And this? And that's what
they told me.
Speaker 4 (34:40):
So they put a where and they said where won
the Super Bowl over you? I'm like, okay, you know,
but the next year it's like, okay, what's the excuse?
Speaker 1 (34:47):
Now?
Speaker 4 (34:47):
Yeah, right, what's the next excuse? And so you know
they'll probably say, sugs, sugs meat me up for Defensive Player.
Speaker 1 (34:53):
Of the Year.
Speaker 2 (34:54):
So don't give it to that over Oh I remember
that that was That was the year you went for
like twenty two to out, which I ain't.
Speaker 3 (35:00):
What's real. I actually had twenty three.
Speaker 4 (35:03):
Go back and look at I physically sacked Aaron Rodgers
for my twenty third sack, and then Wednesday they took
it away from me because they said he muffed the
ball and they gave it.
Speaker 3 (35:12):
Back team sack, team sack.
Speaker 2 (35:15):
I've seen two or three to lose my way for
the team sack, like I was the closest one too
when he was falling out of bounds. But team sack
or I think I stripped the ball out of out
of Brett Hunley's hands, as he was a quarterback for
the Green Bay Packers and Alex Okafor had tackled him.
But I stripped the ball, so that's a strip sack
my way. I was like, I got the fumble and
(35:36):
he got the sack, and I said, what the.
Speaker 3 (35:38):
Fuck, it's crazy, because dude, that's not how it used
to be. I actually lost the sack in. I think
it was like oh seven, maybe no six, same thing.
Speaker 4 (35:48):
I had Philip Rivers or something like that wrapped up
Tombaholey comes in and punches the ball out.
Speaker 3 (35:52):
So back then, whoever forced the fumble got the full sack.
I had no joke. I have a half sack.
Speaker 4 (35:57):
So I actually shot one thirty seven and it thought
phil the Monday night football game, I had four and
a half agins Aaron Rodgers. Not only did I hit
him first, I stripped the ball and Brian Robinson comes
over and and and you know it finishes it off
I and we.
Speaker 1 (36:12):
Run the ball.
Speaker 3 (36:13):
They give me. They gave me a half sack. I
haven't turned it in.
Speaker 1 (36:16):
They're like, sorry, this makes perfect sense. How how does
this make perfect sense? It does?
Speaker 4 (36:21):
And you know the muff, the muff even when the
ball used to go over the quarterback's head and they
would fall down and whoever touched him would get it, would.
Speaker 3 (36:28):
Get the sack.
Speaker 4 (36:29):
Right now, it's a team sack. So the one with Aaron,
he foots up in the in the pocket, he runs
in a new house, drops the ball, picks it back up,
rolls out.
Speaker 3 (36:38):
He still can eligible throw the ball.
Speaker 4 (36:40):
Right him with the ball, that's a sack. Nope, they
call it a They called it a muff team sack.
I'm like, but I physically tackled him, all right, He's
still gonna throw the ball. Technically I'm on the team,
so shul at least get half of that.
Speaker 1 (36:55):
But don't go jeez. Is what it is, spilt milk,
I guess. But it's not.
Speaker 4 (37:03):
Like you know, the gas unless you probably saw the
mare gasad Brett Favre confrontation.
Speaker 1 (37:09):
You know, absolutely, I'm never gonna go that far with it.
Speaker 3 (37:12):
I laugh about it is what it is.
Speaker 4 (37:14):
I've gotten some stash that probably didn't deserve, you know,
or last year running out the back of the uh.
Speaker 3 (37:19):
But some of but but that's what it is man,
It's it's crazy how much some of this stuff affects guys.
Speaker 4 (37:23):
And then back to my whole take on the Hall
of Fame is lucky that again, I know, I know
where my identity is at right, my identities in Christ,
my family.
Speaker 3 (37:32):
All that stuff.
Speaker 4 (37:33):
There's dudes out there that, man, this this means the
absolute world to them, and those highs and lows can
be can be detrimental to their life.
Speaker 3 (37:40):
And maybe that's not the Hall of Fame's responsibility. But
you don't have to pile on to it either.
Speaker 1 (37:46):
True.
Speaker 2 (37:47):
True, I mean, eventually you're gonna get in there, and
I can't not see you getting in this year like
you and you and Sizzel should definitely leave that charge.
Speaker 3 (37:56):
So it'll be finner than what they're gonna do it
this year. Right, right to go back to New Orleans.
Speaker 2 (38:02):
Come on in, it's gonna be it's gonna be you,
it's gonna be Terressa, it's gonna be Jarry Evans, and
then we'll figure out the rest out.
Speaker 3 (38:10):
Every time I go back, you have to go to
New Orleans. I'm like, man, freaking two thousand and nine,
freak hate this place.
Speaker 1 (38:16):
I had it. Come on y'all paid it back. Bike,
He's paid it back, like twice. You had a Kyle
Rudolph push off the back of the end something you
had Stephan Diggs surgeon. So being a wide receiver. Yeah,
Minnesota miracle. So that's two to one.
Speaker 3 (38:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (38:29):
It doesn't affect me though, but it affected me, I know.
Speaker 3 (38:36):
Yeah, Like I said, room lives to remind me, you
just keep my ring warm for me.
Speaker 2 (38:40):
Man, that's at least. Yeah, Mike Is definitely didn't go
on to win it, so I was like, I'm cool
with it.
Speaker 1 (38:45):
Fine.
Speaker 3 (38:45):
Yeah. And then and then so Sean calls me Peyton
literally after the game, right he called me.
Speaker 4 (38:50):
Uh so was Sunday nights, So we called me like
Monday or Tuesday, and he's like, hey, you know what
we did? Chip blocking you those wire off schemes, Like
you think that will work against s Freeny and all
those guys, blah blah blah blah. I'm like, sh You're
lucky we have friends because I want to put you
in the throat right now. But yes, do what you
did to me and you win the super Bowl and
sure not.
Speaker 2 (39:10):
There they did absolutely yeah, Lee, Yeah they did. Man,
I couldn't I couldn't imagine. I've always wanted to know
what it feels like just even be on the same
field for a chance to win a Super Bowls Honors
NFC Championship, and I'm like.
Speaker 1 (39:22):
Damn, that was dope. Yeah, one more game.
Speaker 3 (39:26):
I almost feel like the super Bowl was was dope, right,
it was.
Speaker 1 (39:29):
It was cool.
Speaker 4 (39:30):
You know, you get that kind of feeling like you're there,
so a lot of the kind of excitement just kind
of dreams because you're there right right.
Speaker 3 (39:39):
You know, the great teams are like, we're there to
win it.
Speaker 4 (39:42):
But the NFC AFC, the two NFC Championship games have
been too I mean the one I lost obviously, when
I won, I mean, losing the NFC Championship is worse
than losing the super Bowl because at least you're there,
and the NFC Championship, you're like, hold up, I was
one game away from the super Bowl and now.
Speaker 3 (39:59):
I'm twenty games away from the super Bowl again.
Speaker 2 (40:01):
Just like that, and you know, sucks, yeah, or you
may not make the playoffs again, like you don't know, yeah, and.
Speaker 3 (40:09):
You and you're a loyalist, man, You're stuck just sticking
with those sects.
Speaker 1 (40:14):
I love them. I love them, and so they don't
love me no more. I love him. Yeah, damn yeah,
it is what it is. So I hope I hope
we get there next year.
Speaker 2 (40:24):
You know.
Speaker 3 (40:25):
Yeah, you guys, you know, quarterback matters.
Speaker 1 (40:27):
You know what I'm saying. Quarterbacks do? Quarterbacks? Quarterbacks definitely do.
Speaker 2 (40:32):
It'd be even greater to have them all seventeen games
now half a season and a half a season.
Speaker 3 (40:38):
Yeah, you guys, you guys, you guys have been hit
by that injury bug. Huge question and what sucks.
Speaker 4 (40:43):
And I was telling someone out the other day, it's like,
you know, you got you really have like these four
to five you know, year blocks, right, and the good
teams know how to you know, elongate that through draft
picks and make sure they got young guys and keeping
that and keeping a veteran culture.
Speaker 3 (40:57):
But I mean, you guys got what's gosh, I just
went blank on the running backs name dude Kamara.
Speaker 4 (41:02):
Yeah, stupid stupid athlete, right, I mean, dudes A but
be honest, you know, and again not you know, I
don't get to see a lot of in New Orleands games,
but I would argue, you know, in the last four
or five years, of his career have been not I
don't want to say wasted, because they've never wasted because
you're you're still bulling, but you don't say that.
Speaker 1 (41:19):
Yeah, you know what I mean, they're not capitalized upon.
Speaker 4 (41:21):
They're not capitalized on, right because you're like, Okay, now,
all of a sudden, when we get when we get
by parts of this dude who's so dynamic is you know,
pushing thirty thirty one, thirty two, thirty three, and you
know we didn't capitalize.
Speaker 3 (41:34):
On the years we had one of the most dynamic players.
Speaker 1 (41:36):
In the game.
Speaker 2 (41:37):
Yeah, but when you had paired him with the Mike
Thomas and you know, then you had paired him with
Drew Brees that last you know, in the last two years,
you're like you see everything that you can see yeaheah.
Speaker 4 (41:47):
It's a I always say when when guys have a
dip or anything like that, it's usually because there's there's
a coaching or culture change and you're just not being
used in the way. But and then you're the anomaly,
right at fourteen years still out there.
Speaker 3 (41:58):
Did it because people?
Speaker 4 (42:01):
Yeah, but even even those educates you thinking about your defense,
Like even in Minnesota, I mean we had an insane defense,
right and you know at that, you know, we had
that four or five year stretch and then all of
a sudden, injury bugs and we weren't doing a good
job replacing guys that were getting hurt and and then
and then you kind of dip off.
Speaker 3 (42:16):
But yeah, it's it's it's a it's a tough league.
And so you know, North, you guys, you guys were
that was a tough spot to be, you know, as an.
Speaker 1 (42:24):
Opponent for many years facts well hopefully many more. Not
not many more, not many more, but a few more.
And like a couple, you're four years and still still
gettings of snow. God loves everybody and including me, But
uh no, we will, we will see.
Speaker 2 (42:41):
You know now, I look at guys like Kalays Campbell
and I'm like, huh, seventeen eighteen, that's a that's a
whole nother room.
Speaker 1 (42:49):
Yeah, yeah, fifteen is doable. I like fifteen and then
we'll talk about sixteen.
Speaker 3 (42:53):
Good number.
Speaker 2 (42:54):
Yeah, After fifteen, I have to I have to talk
to the family, like I've never had an answer to anybody.
And I was like, yeah, I'm going to fifteen, and
nobody's ever pushed back after fifteen.
Speaker 1 (43:04):
I'm there's gonna be some pushback, you.
Speaker 4 (43:05):
Said, absolutely once we get to the you said, yeah
about you though, now yeah comfortable?
Speaker 1 (43:14):
Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 2 (43:15):
But anyways, I appreciate you tapping in with the podcast,
but I've kept you here for almost hour.
Speaker 1 (43:19):
I thank you so much for even spending some time
with us. I do hope you get in this year.
Speaker 3 (43:24):
I appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (43:25):
Which means I'll see you down here in New Orleans
because you know I'll be here.
Speaker 3 (43:28):
I'll be working care of Beau.
Speaker 1 (43:29):
That could be.
Speaker 3 (43:29):
I don't have a lot of fans in New Orleans.
I have said some very bad things about New Orleans.
Speaker 1 (43:33):
Come on, I've had a good time and I've had
good times in Atlanta, and I know they hate me,
so you'll be just fuing here.
Speaker 2 (43:38):
You know, as bad as you talked about them, they
still want a super Bowl, so they don't hold in
true true true.
Speaker 3 (43:43):
Actually, thanks, thank you. Yeah, I appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (43:47):
That part. Hey, I appreciate you, Brosky yea.
Speaker 3 (43:50):
Hopefully we get the connect to and actually meet person
and then have a cola.
Speaker 1 (43:54):
Hell yeah, I bring I'll bring the tequila because I'm
more of a tequila guy than beer guy.
Speaker 3 (43:58):
But got that too. There we go.
Speaker 1 (44:01):
Like I said, appreciate you tapping in off the edge
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