On the latest NFL Players: Second Acts podcast, former All-Pro receiver Andre “Bad Moon” Rison joins hosts Charles “Peanut” Tillman and Roman Harper. Andre joined the guys from the 2024 Draft in Detroit. Andre shared with the guys what it was like becoming a star with the Atlanta Falcons alongside fellow star Deion Sanders. Andre was no stranger to the nightlife in Atlanta and he gets candid about how he managed his fame on and off the field. Andre explains why he feels his cultural influence during his playing days rivals that of NBA Hall of Famer Allen Iverson. And, speaking of Hall of Fame, Andre makes his Hall of Fame case, and explains why he’s the greatest receiver ever to play in the NFL. You don’t want to miss this conversation!
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Speaker 1 (00:07):
Thank y'all for tuning in.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
Pena Tillman and this is the NFL Players Second Act podcast.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
I got my guy Roman Harvil Woodian today. What's up,
baby man?
Speaker 3 (00:16):
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Speaker 3 (00:35):
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got a great one today.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
I'm really really looking forward to this interview. Go ahead,
Uh yeah, this next, gentleman. One of the most dynamic
receivers the game has ever seen.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
Yes, they're an all Pro.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
He's a pro bowler, played twelve years in the league
since retirement. He's a coach. He's a musician, he's an artist,
he's an author. Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome Andre Risen
to the.
Speaker 4 (01:05):
All Right.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
I would be remiss if I didn't say it, because
I I think you have a top three greatest nickname
of all time.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
Oh yeah, Andre bad Moon Rising.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
I mean, how I'm from Alabama, so I grew up
watching you, a huge fan. It's an honor to actually
have you here, being in your city. You're from Detroit,
and maybe just talk about how many the great Detroit
ballers are all back here.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
Yeah, I didn't even know that you spies, Rayln Yeah,
Drake Bell, I mean, yeah, y'all, I didn't seen already.
Speaker 4 (01:43):
Man and a lot of us they have kids this play. Yeah,
you know, and so thank you for all the flowers.
That's that's for sure, you and Rome and fans of
you guys. It's funny when you try to become a
collegiate coach. You know, there's some many stipulations in so
many small little loopholes, and even though we feel like
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we got degrees in the game of football, it's really
difficult to retire and then go get a collegiate job
as a coach.
Speaker 5 (02:13):
We all know the minority fact.
Speaker 4 (02:15):
But at the same time, you know, you feel like
you put enough time in in the game of football.
Speaker 5 (02:20):
It was your occupation, so you should be able to
teach it.
Speaker 4 (02:23):
And I'm not knowing everybody played coach, you know, can coach,
but we got a good thing going here instead of Michigan.
A lot of former NFL guys have come back and
given to the community, not just in Detroit, all the
way to Flint, Michigan where the great mark ingram when
won the Heisman in Alabama. You know, so when you
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see things like that, you can see the trend moving.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
Where you're coaching at. Put that out there too.
Speaker 4 (02:48):
University of Leggo it's in gross Pointe, Michigan. We went
eight to one last year, lost in the first first
round of playoffs.
Speaker 5 (02:56):
I got some great kids.
Speaker 4 (02:58):
It's a private school, so it's a little bit for pulling,
you know, just natural born talent out. And so I
think we did a great job with the kids that
we have. Got some scholarships in the first year. Yeah,
got some offers, just some returning kids, and you know,
that's what that's what the whole goal is, to help
help these families take that initial next step.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
So I know, for me, my draft story it was
was amazing.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
I was very low key. I know your draft story
you were low key back at the crib.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
I think yours is a little a little different, you know,
I was at the crib and like a tank top
and a T shirt and some shorts on, some workout clothes,
and I was like, my little low key party yours
took a little bit of a turn. Can you explain
a little bit or explain to the listeners about what happened,
because I know it was. It kind of got a
little shaky.
Speaker 5 (03:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (03:50):
At first, I didn't Actually I didn't know what sport
I was gonna play. Okay, because I had ambitions to
playing basketball, I went originally went to college to play basketball.
I played basketball in Michigan State. I ran track at
Michigan State. I played football, and so when it came
time for the maybe six months out from the draft,
my agent and I were talking and he was like, look,
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we just need to focus on football. And so I
let basketball go my senior year and started focusing on football.
And I wasn't even on the chart, dudes, I wasn't
nowhere on the charts because we didn't throw the ball
at Michigan State. We had a great running back from
Lorenzo White, yep, and so they had all these receivers
pegged on top of me. And so I played two
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my last two games going into my senior year. We
played the last two games, I scored like seven or
eight touchdowns and the gatorball between the Gator Bowl and
the Hula ball. So I catapuled like a probability of
a first round, second round, right, And so draft Day
comes and I'm sitting there and the phone rings and
it's Detroit Lions and they said, hey, half our staff
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wants Barry Sanders. The other half of the staff once
Andre ridden. And they didn't go wrong. I was like, yeah,
they didn't go wrong, but they wouldn't have went wrong
with myself either, you know. So I ended up sliding
from the number two possible pick all the way to
the twenty second pick, still first round, but as we know,
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that's a different value and the running and everything, you know.
And so I came out with a little probably the
same bite as you did, you guys did. Yeah, I
came out with the same type of you know, I
need to prove myself. And it actually helped me throughout
my career because I started off with the Indianapolis coach,
got drafted first round, and then I was traded the
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proceeding year. But the number one pick overall, it sounds flattering.
But when you're twenty one, twenty two years old, and
you feel like you just played, you know, balls out,
you just both bought a house in Indianapolis, your set,
you feel like you made the All Rookie team. You're
going to be there, second leading receiver on the team.
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And I jumped to my current draft there and took
off and I hit it up the East Lansing my
alumni and alm My Martyr and I'm gonna have a
draft party and everything. I get about halfway and I
get a phone call. You guys are maybe too young.
We used to have phones in the middle.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
Oh yeah, I know I didn't have one, but I
know what they well, I.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
Mean, well, let's go tell me the whole thing then,
Like what kind of car was you riding in? Because
not every car just had the phone in the middle. Yeah,
you tell me that part too.
Speaker 5 (06:26):
I was on that Bobby Brown stuff back in the day.
Speaker 4 (06:28):
I had that five sixty sec hard five sixes the
whole class. Dion Sanders had one, Roderick Thomas had one. Yeah,
Derek Thomas had one, and my little butt had one.
Speaker 5 (06:41):
You know what I'm saying. And so I'm headed back. Man,
the phone ring.
Speaker 4 (06:45):
I answered it and it's my mom and she says, hey,
where are you. I said, I'm on the highway. I'm
headed at the East Lansing. She said, I said that.
She said the draft started. I said the draft started, right.
She said yeah. She said you need to turn around
and I said why and she said, because I said
the draft started, right. She said, yeah, you need to
turn around. I'm like, what And I'm thinking the worst.
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I'm thinking a member of the family that died or something.
And she says, you just got traded. I said, how
I get traded and the draft just started? She said,
you got traded with the number one pick, first pick overall.
Speaker 5 (07:21):
And it was for Jeff George.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (07:23):
And I was like, I'm not going.
Speaker 4 (07:26):
I didn't know anything about the South, you know, I'm
from the Midwest, up north. I said, I'm not going.
And she says, boy, over the phone, You're going wherever
they signed.
Speaker 5 (07:36):
That check at.
Speaker 4 (07:37):
And so that's the history of the story, and the
rest was history.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
Man.
Speaker 4 (07:41):
I ended up going to the city of Atlanta, and
you know, they embraced me with open arms and I
was able to play.
Speaker 5 (07:47):
You know, I was staying in football for that city.
And at the organization.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
How do you feel in that moment when your mom
told you got traded after having such an amazing first year?
Speaker 1 (07:55):
Eventually, how are you feeling?
Speaker 5 (07:57):
I was hurt. I was hurt.
Speaker 4 (08:00):
I felt like I needed to find out what I
had did wrong. Yeah, you know, never been cut before,
It never been traded before, because you know, you fresh
out of college, you played that first year in the pros.
And it's funny, I played in the locker room full
of older guys, like those guys had second jobs, Like
seventy percent of our teammates as a rookie, they had
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second jobs. And so those guys were like big brothers
to me, beyond friends because I learned the game outside
the game from them. And all of a sudden, I
was gone. And you know, I didn't even get a
chance to talk to none of the owners, none of
the urses, none of the Indianapolis Coats owners, never seen them,
never talk to him to this day, and it kind
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of hurt, But then it gave me the bite I
needed to go against guys like yourself.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
So would you if you could talk to Jim RS,
would you thank him today?
Speaker 1 (08:54):
Well, it wasn't him that made it. I think it
was a father that made the trade, but.
Speaker 4 (08:58):
I don't know which one made it. I think the
one was, like, you know, very active, like Jerry Jones.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
Yeah, yeah, you know I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (09:04):
And I've never I.
Speaker 4 (09:06):
Never got a chance an opportunity to say anything to
those guys. I've never And I played one time after
I left. I played the coach one time, and I
used to look on the schedule.
Speaker 5 (09:15):
I ain't lying. I used to look on the schedule
like most people do.
Speaker 4 (09:17):
When we played, when we played these emos, you know
what I'm saying, When we played these emos and never
played against him. And then finally in my last year
in my career, I played everybody that I was a
part of the organization prior to playing for the Raiders,
and it was like what they call it nowadays, the tour,
the tour when the player goes on.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
The tour like stairwell.
Speaker 5 (09:41):
Yeah, yeah, it wasn't a fair It was straight to revenge.
It was straight revenge. But man, I had an awesome career.
Speaker 4 (09:49):
Like I said, the city of Atlanta, That's why I'm
here today at the NFL Draft twenty twenty four because
of the Falcons organization. Yeah, you know, allowing me to
go out and announce the picks second round and third Yeah.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
So I think Peanut asked a great question, but about
your draft day experience.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
But I want to know about the night before.
Speaker 5 (10:07):
Oh, y'all seen the movie.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
I don't know about the night before.
Speaker 4 (10:13):
If you haven't seen the movie, go watch the movie.
It's a great movie. It's on Apple TV to B.
You can watch it free for two on two B now.
But it's Andre Risen's story, wide open, great movie. It's
my first project as a as a film producer, and
we got many more projects to come. But there's a
scene in there that you know, recalls the night before
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the draft, and I tell my wife. My wife always
tells me, hey, man, don't go nowhere and start to fight.
Don't start no argument.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
You that guy? Do you get the rules for you?
Speaker 4 (10:43):
I think we're all them guys when we retire. First
we got to get them shoulder pads off of us.
You know what I'm saying, And so get that stuff
off our chest. But long story short, I've never picked
a fight, started a fight, so it was hard to
pinpoint where it came from. And me being the oldest
in the family and a younger brother and younger sister.
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I didn't know where it came from. But the night
before the draft, my house was shot up and we
didn't know who, We didn't know how I die. And
my mom was in the house, my young son, Andre
Junior was in the house, my sister was in the house.
And so when we got word of it, it just
it just put me.
Speaker 5 (11:24):
On alert, on a whole other level of who I
really was about to become.
Speaker 4 (11:29):
And it taught me about security, taught me about uh,
taught me about a lot of stuff, you know, that
I was about to endure being an NFL player, a
professional athlete.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
So was that next day just business as usual?
Speaker 2 (11:41):
Was it just like, oh, the house got shut up,
all right, Well, let's go to the drift he was.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
Was it like a normal, normal thing.
Speaker 5 (11:47):
Living in Flint, Michigan at that time, Michigan, you know,
you know it was? It was?
Speaker 4 (11:54):
It was normal, But it wasn't normal for me because
I didn't I didn't get in fights, I didn't start
I didn't have time really to indulging those type of things,
and so we just couldn't pinpoint it. But we moved on.
I think The strongest person out of it was my
mom because she was actually in the house when the
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shots were fired and came through, and they were about
twenty five shots that hit the house. And at that time,
you know, we still hadn't got no money yet, so we.
Speaker 5 (12:24):
Were living in a little hut.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (12:25):
So that bullet went through the front door.
Speaker 4 (12:27):
It was already at the back door, you know, so
you know, thank the Lord, we was able to push
through that. But that is an incident where I can
always go back to and tell these younger guys that's
coming up. And you know the difference between being a
gym rat and being in these streets trying to be
a gym rat at the same time.
Speaker 5 (12:46):
It don't work.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
Yeah, So twenty fifteen, I go to Carolina and our
team in with this joker, and I kind of think
that's where our bond, that's kind of where we started.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
I call my work wife, got you right, and this
is something like that?
Speaker 2 (13:02):
Yeah, like that, But Rome, every I think everyone knowing,
like when we do these podcasts, like Rome, Rome was
my guy, Like we.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
Were stick as thieves.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
Yeah, you end up going to Atlanta your second year
and you team up with UH with Dion. Yeah, and
you guys really built up bond. You guys had a
supposal connection. Talk talk about like what that bond, How
how you guys became friends.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
Talk about that experience. Well, actually or that relationship.
Speaker 5 (13:28):
Relationship and bond.
Speaker 4 (13:30):
It grew from being a being each other's nemesis in college. Yeah,
all the way from his great institution was Florida State
mines with Michigan State. Uh, you got the top defensive
back in the country, top wide receiver in the country,
and we had to play each other in college.
Speaker 5 (13:46):
I didn't even know that. I didn't either play.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
Against the college.
Speaker 4 (13:49):
Yeah, we had to play play against each other in college,
and they had the better team and they beat us.
Speaker 5 (13:55):
We didn't throw the ball a lot, but I knew by.
Speaker 4 (13:58):
Just being on the stage with a guy of that
character and a guy of that confidence, it will prepel
me to let me know really where I was at.
And So we played Florida State in Michigan State first,
I want to say. And so we didn't have the internet,
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we had USA today, we had that newspaper. So the
first time I got a chance to get a mic
in my face, and the first time he got a
chance opportunity to get one in his face. We shot shots.
You know, check me, well, you yeah, get open. You know, well,
I'm gonna do this. Well, I'm gonna do this. I'm
gonna do that. I'm gonna do that, you know, knowing
I ain't gonna get the ball. But you know it's
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a perfect state CBS, ABC. And so we didn't even
talk like during that first meeting, didn't say anything to
each other. They kicked our butts. They went on back
to Florida and we went our way. That second time,
we played in Tallahassee and I'm running thirty yards down
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same type of USA today talk prior to the game though,
and I'm running thirty yards down field and he just
goes in my mouth.
Speaker 5 (15:09):
I said, I'm a killing right, I said, when I
get back to the uddle.
Speaker 4 (15:14):
I walked back to the huddle, and I think it
was a pass play, and I'm gonna tell you we
would run first dominant. I deferred the past. I wanted
to run and pop him one right back. So I
went flying down the field like I had a go
route and I bopped him in his mouth.
Speaker 5 (15:34):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (15:36):
So now it's really on. So we're looking we're jabbing.
I'm looking at all of Florida State sideline. I'm jabbing,
and so the other defensive back he said, man, what
part of Florida are you from?
Speaker 5 (15:45):
And I said, what part of Florida? Said, I'm not
from Florida. You know. It just got all super high.
And the next play I catch.
Speaker 4 (15:52):
It and I go in for like a thirty five
or thirty yard touchdown, and he's on the opposite side
coming to make the tackle to prevent me. No, then
we go back. He intercepted the ball the previous drive.
He jumped over my back about four or fifty yards downfield.
I beat him, he says, he just let me get
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inside quarterback through it. He goes over my head and
he intercepts it. I knew what type of athlete he was.
Tremendous athlete. So he goes over my head. It was
last player at the half. I'm trying to catch it,
getting the ins on for a score. So he picks
it off, gets up and does this prime time. So
two players, two series later.
Speaker 5 (16:32):
I catch it.
Speaker 4 (16:33):
I go in for a touchdown, but he has to
tackle me. He misses the tackle. I go in for
the touchdown. I turned back. I look back. He's on
the ground holding his ankle, and that's where the bond begins.
I celebrated, and when I celebrated, our teammates we walked
started walking towards our bench. I seen him still on
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the ground. I ran out on the field at Florida State,
got on one knee. That was our first time ruling
engaging with each other face to face like that, and
asking was he all right? He grab my hand, I'm good,
And from then on we've been best of friends all
the way to brothers to this day. I just I'm
in Colorado three four times every two three months.
Speaker 3 (17:16):
What were the vibes like in that Atlanta locker room,
because it wasn't just about football in Atlanta at that time, No, No,
it was I'm from Alabama, so I'm from the south
right down the street. Yeah, I heard nothing but Atlanta music.
Atlanta at that point had taken over the music industry,
So it wasn't just about that Atlanta Falcons. That Atlanta
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Braves were really good at the time. Yeah, like all
these things are going on in Atlanta. So it was
really a blessing in stats for you. But I want
to know what those vibes were like like everything else
besides the football stuff.
Speaker 4 (17:51):
It's funny because my first year there, first couple of
years we made the playoffs. One of those years we
were so terrible, but we had the two best young players. Yeah,
you had Deon Sanders, you had Andre Rodgon, but we
would be literally like one In nine, two and twelve,
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we were playing basketball at the at Direct Center, like
during regular season, like practice would be over and we
were like five hundred team we betting on the game.
Speaker 5 (18:22):
We're going to play basketball in the mid season.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
So I had that young legs.
Speaker 5 (18:26):
Yeah, but that's young losing you so you know that.
Speaker 4 (18:34):
But it's crazy because they asked us as an organization
to bond away from the game. Yeah right, and this
is going to go into Rome's thing. Bonding away from
the game in Atlanta could mean trouble. It's a different
nightlife than Green Bay, Wisconsins nightlife, and when we got there,
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we were at the beginning of the push to bring
it to the height of this. Now, so you're talking
about guys that had their own clubs. Dion had his
own club, I had, I had several clubs, nightclubs. You're
talking about black entertainment at his highest level, professionalism at
its highest level, all the way from legislation that's politicians,
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you name it. So it was kind of weird, especially
for me being from up north. I've seen the integration
away from the game early, you know, and so you
got to remember we are in the South, and so
it's different when you know, it's six foot guy jumps
out of Ferrari with all his jurion and his partners
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on the other side, and this Lamborghini with all his
jurion and both step out and it's Dion Sanders and
Andre Rison. But they got nicknames prime Time, you know,
bad Moon, Showtime, you know, Neon Dion. So of course
the off the field, you know, curriculums changed because now
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you got music. Film had hit just yet, but the
music was the music was like no rap was still
played on the radio at that time, so you got
all those MC's, you got all the word hip hop,
all that involved. And so we're like in the middle
of it. You know, Deon's got the club, I got
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the club, we got the DJs. I can play your
music if I want to play it or not, so
I'm almost or he can't do as well, so we
can almost navigate the music game on who we put
on without even being in the music game, And so
that was another empowerment too as well, to be part
of Atlanta's music scene, or I should say entertainment scene nightlife,
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and so that vibe was extra good.
Speaker 3 (20:49):
I didn't even know you guys own clubs. That's new information.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
Yeah, that was the Wikipedia page.
Speaker 4 (20:55):
Yes, yeah, Well, you know the thing is, they'll never
give you the flowers for being politically correct in your
business moves at being savvy. But the moment you know
you mess up, well you spent too much money, They're
gonna print that ten times.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
Yeah. What kind of influence has Deanne had on your life?
Speaker 4 (21:15):
Uh?
Speaker 5 (21:16):
Major? I say major.
Speaker 4 (21:17):
I think we both have had very influential moments with
each other, him giving me, him giving me the window
of like.
Speaker 5 (21:34):
Encouragement to like, look, man, be you.
Speaker 4 (21:39):
If you feel like you're the greatest of play, be
the greatest, don't back down from it. Let's be pros
at it. Though he was always a pro, and that's
what people don't realize. The guy was always a pro.
And so I was more street driven, I was more edgy,
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So being with him kind of curved that. I think
we both were godly guys. I think we both believed
in the Lord at a high level, respected it. And
then the business side of it. Mindes was more brash.
His was more that the people work for you, and
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so you know, we picked and choose what we would
take from each other. And then it's funny when we
got into the music and I was I'm actually like
like Peanuts said, I'm I'm a musician. And he beat
me to putting out an album. He put an album
out a single at least, you know, money must be
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the money. But that's showing you though, somebody that's not
scared to fail. And I think we both like brought
that to each other, like, look, let's try to be
the best we can ever be even if we fail.
Speaker 5 (22:57):
And he's doing that now at Colorado.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
So you got you talked about the influence that Dion
Maya had on your life or whatever. I want to
know who and tell me if it's true or not
or is it just a rumor? In either way, it's
can stay in this room, but it's probably not right.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
But who influenced too? Uh? If you guys are roommates
and who overslept in Houston.
Speaker 5 (23:20):
Y'all you know what.
Speaker 4 (23:21):
You guys are really good, y'all digging information like you know,
I'm not gonna give shots out to other guys about
their podcast on this podcast. You know what I'm saying,
You guys dig some good information. Whose fun was it
that that night? It might have been prime, that night
would have been think come think of it, you know,
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and I'll tell you that was so funny. We man,
we woke up.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
We got you.
Speaker 5 (23:52):
Yeah, yeah, you guys, you got it, you got it.
We woke up.
Speaker 4 (23:55):
Bus gone, Bus one gone, bus two going, and I
know you guys know.
Speaker 3 (23:58):
O bust three, last one out, Bus three, last one out, right.
Speaker 5 (24:03):
He normally catches either he's no later than the second bus.
Speaker 4 (24:08):
He'll catch that first bus because he'll go over get
all this whatever.
Speaker 5 (24:12):
He got his mojo going. You know.
Speaker 4 (24:14):
You walk in the locker room and Primes Dion has
this whole outfit laid out. Yeah, with the shoes, the
whole outfit, the whole nine like somebody's in it already.
He had an iPad before people knew what iPads were.
He was already breaking the receivers down on game day
to get actual game day he would be breaking them
down so he would leave a little earlier. I was
on those special teams, so I would leave on the
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last bus. And really I used to be nervous. I
used to be nervous a lot because I know I
had to take hits. I knew I had to get tackled,
so I would go on the last bus. But for
some reason, he was the last couple of weeks, several weeks,
he's been going on the last bus, you know, be
hanging out on the last bus. So I'm like, dude,
I cut it like right to the inch, you know,
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And so fine, larm's going off. Fine, fine, I look
at it. I look at the clock. Oh man, they
didn't move time back ahead. They moved time ahead or whatever. Right,
I ain't paying no mind.
Speaker 5 (25:13):
So he asked me, what time is it? Oh man,
it's seven eight thirty. So we got time.
Speaker 4 (25:19):
We got time, but it really was nine thirty, ten thirty, right,
all the busses are gone, so me and him got
to jump in the cab and get in the regular
traffic of fans coming into the game. So now we're
boiling down to like forty five minutes before kickoff.
Speaker 5 (25:40):
We're still in the cab.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
We're still in the cap, still in the cap, It's
forty five minutes before kickoff.
Speaker 5 (25:45):
We look at each other, We're like, dude, we got
to get out this cab and run.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
So we got out the cab.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
Bags and all suiting off, suiting off, and ran at
least at least a half a mile to get up
in there.
Speaker 4 (26:00):
And so we get up in there, both sweating like hogs.
And the first thing the coach say is he's like,
where you guys been? And then it just got quiet.
Now coach was Jerry Glanville, So we might.
Speaker 5 (26:15):
Get away with it.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
We might not, you know.
Speaker 4 (26:17):
He's like, what's going on? And then Prime said, Drea
Tael you, Drea Tael you, Drea Tael you. And so
I think that's why I ended up with the butt
of the story. You know, Drea tell you, Drea tell you.
But long story short, he says, don't worry about you.
Better play the best game of your life, right, And
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so he said, you better play the best game of
your life. And so, uh, I hadn't caught a pass
the whole game, he hadn't had an interception the whole game.
I don't even think he made a tackle. And so
they finally punted. He takes it all the way to
the house.
Speaker 5 (26:56):
So I'm not the only one.
Speaker 4 (26:57):
Still hadn't done anything right, So I'm like, they take
me out the game.
Speaker 5 (27:02):
I just know I'm about to get fine. I ain't
gonna tell you all what that fine was.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
It's all good. I'm just glad we figured out that figure.
Speaker 4 (27:09):
So it was okay, I'll take far for it, I'll
take fun, I'll take the higher road.
Speaker 5 (27:13):
How about that?
Speaker 1 (27:14):
Hey man, that's a good that's a good fall guy.
I like that. We'll be back in a minute.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
What I'm curious is what you do in the three
years between the NFL and then when you went to
the CFL.
Speaker 5 (27:28):
Oh man, Now that was a trip. I love the CFL. Yeah,
it was. I became a world champion over yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
Toronto was the one I've been a one CFL game
and that's the one game I went to. Actually, I
went to Toronto organized game. Michael Bishop was.
Speaker 4 (27:42):
Bishop boy, big boy, yeah, state a good good friend
of mine. I went and the organization were in transition
of moving to a building.
Speaker 1 (27:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (27:57):
So when I got there, they were working out of units.
So I asked myself, I asked God to what kind
of units, like like elementary units, like units sitting on bricks, like.
Speaker 5 (28:08):
Oh, like trailers working trailers. They're working out the trailers.
Speaker 4 (28:14):
I went over there and won a championship, and next
year they asked me to come back, but they asked
me to come back as a player coach, and so
I had no problem with no problem with it. But
when I got over there, the game was different.
Speaker 5 (28:26):
The field was much wider. So my first day of practice,
they put me.
Speaker 4 (28:32):
In the slot and so I was standing still and
the other receivers were coming down, running.
Speaker 1 (28:40):
Running toward the line of Segia line.
Speaker 5 (28:43):
Yeah. Yeah, And so I'm like, okay, I'm cool with it.
Speaker 4 (28:46):
Like for the first two days, I'm show them that
I can get out and still run and all this
good stuff.
Speaker 5 (28:50):
Right man.
Speaker 4 (28:51):
I went and watched film and I'm like them guys
were like leaving me like this, right, And so I
went and asked the coach. I said, hey, how about
moving the old guy in the back so I can
have the head.
Speaker 5 (29:03):
Start and I can get the running start. Right. So
that was my first route. That was my first change
in the game.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
Welcome to Welcome to the c.
Speaker 4 (29:11):
Yeah, well to the CFL. Moment right. And then my
second one was after that practice. I'm getting dressed and
I'm about to leave practice, and they're like, teammates of mine, like,
meet me in the parking lot.
Speaker 5 (29:26):
I might meet you in the parking lot. Me in
the parking lot.
Speaker 4 (29:29):
They like, We're gonna meet in the parking lot, and
then we're gonna go back to our apartment.
Speaker 5 (29:34):
Barbecue, team coming.
Speaker 4 (29:35):
Over, all good things, and we're gonna play some video
games and Madden and all this stuff and you can
get a chance to meet your teammates and fratnize. I say, okay, cool,
So I go to the parking lot. When I walk
up in the parking lot, it's like a cannabis fest.
And at that time, I was still was trying to
get back in the league and go to a contender
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to win another Super Bowl. So I'm not trying to
get it no trouble. I don't want to be around
nobody that's doing wrong. My whole team in there is smoking,
bud dude, chilling, Hey, bad moods.
Speaker 5 (30:09):
Man. We so glad that have you.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
Oh man, I'm like what.
Speaker 5 (30:14):
I'm like, what is this?
Speaker 4 (30:15):
And then I seen the cars, right, and so I've
seen the cars at the facility, and I'm like, man,
I've seen that car. I seen and if I can recall,
somebody said that's a coach's car, right, And so I said, okay,
that's a coach's car. Well, what is the coaches car
doing over my teammates apartment?
Speaker 5 (30:31):
Man?
Speaker 4 (30:31):
I walk in the kitchen coaching there season in the meat. Man,
we so glad to have you. You know what I'm saying.
Can you imagine that in the NFL?
Speaker 1 (30:40):
I couldn't. You couldn't, right, I couldn't.
Speaker 5 (30:41):
You could And our record at that time was like
four and eight. We were losing record, right, yeah.
Speaker 4 (30:48):
And so I'm sitting there and I'm contemplating on cutting
the television off and pulling the plug out of the
video game. And it's about twenty of us in there,
because I'm going to hold court.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
You about to get them? Right?
Speaker 5 (31:03):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (31:04):
Yeah, this ain't it.
Speaker 5 (31:05):
This ain't it.
Speaker 4 (31:06):
I sat there for about five minutes. I looked around
and started sizing them up. If they jumped me, I said, well,
they jump me. They jumped me. I went over there
and unplugged the TV boom and they just got total silent.
I said, nobody got no film I said, we didn't
want a game in two three weeks. I said, nobody
got no film. I said, y'all, I said, y'all can smoke,
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But why don't we smoke till we get five hundred?
Speaker 5 (31:33):
And we won. We didn't lose a game, and we
end up winning the world title. Yeah, and we end
up winning the world title. Yeah. And super great experience
for me.
Speaker 4 (31:44):
And that's what propelled me and the coaching, and I've
been coaching since, coaching and mentorings ever.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
Since you moved changed everything.
Speaker 5 (31:52):
Oh yeah, that moment changed everything.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
You move.
Speaker 3 (31:54):
Guys, I want to see I want to know your
own opinion. And sometimes it's hard to look at ourselves
in the mirror and give us well, I think sometimes
we give us as the most honest answer, we look
ourselves in the mirror. So I'm gonna put a mirror
in front of you right now and ask you this
is it fair to say or comparison that you're the
Allen Iverson of football, kind of like the bad boy
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and a little bit more brash, you know. Yeah, And
it's also has something to do with the dress, the
Atlanta like all these other things.
Speaker 5 (32:27):
Yeah, Alan is like my little brother I love him
to death.
Speaker 4 (32:32):
I'm so proud of him, so proud of what Reebok
did for him. I'm so proud of what Philadelphia did
for him. The seventy six ers. Yeah, I think it's
well overdue. But is their comparisons most definitely. At first
I used to get Dennis Rodman, and that was because
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of all the tattoos, because nobody was running around the
NFL with tattoos and.
Speaker 5 (32:57):
You doing this. But I'm winning. Yeah, I'm winning and
I'm not bothering nobody.
Speaker 4 (33:02):
Yeah, I'm winning. I'm playing at a high level. I
feel like I'm the greatest to play this position. Still
to this day, everybody wants to say, oh, that guy
is because why because he's six whatever. Nah, they don't
go like that. So if you want to say Jerry
Wright's okay, that's cool. But I feel like I'm the
best to ever played the game. And in saying that,
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you're like, okay, well, I feel like I should have
been the first Battle of Hall of Fame. I retired
top five all time in almost every category.
Speaker 1 (33:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (33:30):
So then you ask yourself with that mirror, are you
a bad person?
Speaker 1 (33:37):
Are you?
Speaker 5 (33:38):
Are you?
Speaker 4 (33:38):
You start trying to finagle through what could possibly be
the negatives?
Speaker 5 (33:43):
What is wrong with you? And so I could we
all be better people? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (33:47):
But have I done anything to warrant this denial? I hadn't.
I didn't burn my own house up, I didn't opim.
Did I make the mistakes wherever I made the mistake,
I ad met right and I believe Allen did that,
you know, And.
Speaker 5 (34:05):
The comparison is a great comparison.
Speaker 1 (34:07):
I would also say.
Speaker 3 (34:08):
How I mean, And I don't think it's all the
way you until you talked about earlier, how you were
able to control the music industy, industry. But it's also
this hip hop culture all of a sudden invaded football before, Yes,
when nobody ever really thought about it, the same way
when Alan Iverson's wearing jerseys throwbacks on the sidelines when
nobody has seen that in the NBA before. Either changed
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the whole game and everybody changed the game. And it's
just the game wasn't ready. And now you look up and.
Speaker 4 (34:37):
Remember Edrin James had to go through the issues about
his hair, yes, and he couldn't get no commercials, but
Paula Moore got the commercial. Yeah, you know what I'm saying.
So it's like it's tricks and trades to it. I've
seen the game.
Speaker 5 (34:49):
Evolve a long way.
Speaker 4 (34:50):
From a long way. Am I happy where the game is?
I love today's game. But then when we get to
talking about behind it, behind the scenes, the cbas and
collect the bargain agreements and stuff like that, I think
this generation has no clue what past we paid for them.
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I really feel they really are uneducated on what we
did for them, you know. And we know what the
players prior to us did for us, you know. And
so I believe if we can some kind of way
keep pushing it and keep pushing it, and keep pushing
it to this generation of an NFL player knows what
we sacrificed and what we did for them to be
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able to go on the stage and be able to
change their families, lives and their lives.
Speaker 5 (35:38):
You know.
Speaker 4 (35:38):
I think that that right there would be my main
goal if I could.
Speaker 1 (35:42):
Ask you your opinion, how do we do that?
Speaker 5 (35:45):
Though?
Speaker 1 (35:45):
Because I don't have the answer.
Speaker 5 (35:47):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (35:48):
But you work with more young people than I do.
Speaker 5 (35:50):
I think.
Speaker 4 (35:52):
I see I think seeing maturations of elite athletes from
the Yay days bringing them to the forefront of right
now in the present, old and young. Like when you
see Alan Iverson being commended for his his his his
stripes and his efforts in the game of basketball, not
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just for the seventy six ers. He changed the culture
of basketball. He changed the culture. I feel like I
changed the culture of football, you know what I'm saying.
And so when these guys.
Speaker 5 (36:22):
Run around.
Speaker 4 (36:24):
And they have swagged, the confidence is booming outside their helmet.
We didn't. We didn't come from that. We brought that
to the table.
Speaker 5 (36:35):
Dion Sanders and Andre Risen.
Speaker 4 (36:37):
Brought something to the table had been brought to the
table the first the minks, the jewelry, the clothes. I
believe that was there because I've watched old film, I
watched old tapes. Those guys dress well, right, but they
didn't make the money we made, right. So now here
we come, we dress how we want. We dressed well
and prime and I always dress well because I looked
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up to Michael Jordan. He's always in and he was
always in a suit. So pretty much predominantly I was
in a suit. But when I get off of work,
I'm in Atlanta, I'm not gonna wear a suit. Twenty
four to seven. So when other players would come to town
and see how we really got down from a fashion
and everything included, it kind of like melted to other programs,
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other organizations and other players. You know, in the off season.
They want to come to Atlanta. They did, They want
to come to Atlanta.
Speaker 1 (37:31):
They still want to go to Atlanta.
Speaker 4 (37:33):
They still want to come to Atlanta. Fast cars, all right,
and everything that comes with the fast cars, no doubt,
everything that comes.
Speaker 5 (37:41):
You know.
Speaker 4 (37:41):
And I know for a fact we set the tone
in that. I know for a fact we set the tone,
you know. And I was fortunate to go to a
city where I was embraced and I was loved by
the community. So I know how my fashion rubbed off
on people. And I think I've seen an interview, just
get off this real quick. I've seen an interview with
Jermaine dupri and he said he was wearing gloves and
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his videos because he watched Dion Sanders wear gloves and
hip hop had crossed over.
Speaker 5 (38:12):
Yeah, hip hop and football had crossed over. And so
do I feel like I'm a pioneer? Damn right? Yeah,
most definitely.
Speaker 1 (38:20):
Yeah. I like that.
Speaker 5 (38:21):
I like that.
Speaker 1 (38:22):
I want to know about it. A little bit. Let's
talk a little bit about retirement.
Speaker 2 (38:25):
When I first got out, I got right into the
broadcasting world room, took a whole year off, sixty five,
took a whole year off, didn't do nothing, didn't watch
his kids, didn't do he didn't shave.
Speaker 1 (38:39):
Just was a.
Speaker 2 (38:39):
Bum've been there the best bumps in the world, though they.
Speaker 1 (38:44):
Were more doug.
Speaker 2 (38:45):
I am kind of exaggerating. Let me let me throw
that out there to the camera. I am exaggerating. He
was with his kids. I'm totally making it up. But
what I want to know is what did you do
or what were those first couple of years like when
you retired and being away from football, how was that
for you?
Speaker 4 (39:02):
Mentally being truthful pee, now that I can speak back
on it, Yeah, that was the first initial of admittance too,
if that's a word, I think.
Speaker 5 (39:19):
That's the word.
Speaker 1 (39:19):
But you said, you said it was you good.
Speaker 5 (39:25):
Depression. Yeah, uh, at full height.
Speaker 4 (39:31):
You know, I've seen this comment after we won the
Super Bowl and Brett had made this comment bred far
my Super Bowl winter quarterback. After we won the Super Bowl,
they asked me how he felt. They said, I was
at a high and then it was instantly right back
to low. And I never forgot that. And so when
I retired in that first year, first several when I retired,
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I would catch myself feeling good. You know, I had
a hell of a career. I believe I'm going to
the Hall of Fame. I was able to help my mom,
help my family, help minis of others. And then all
of a sudden, I would just go flat. I was
flat line, like I'm done, Like I'm done with my
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professional career. What do I move on the next? I
know I'm smart, No, I'm intelligent. No, I can go
work anywhere in the world. But I didn't have to
get up. I didn't have the I got to go
to training camp. I gotta get ready for preseason. I
got to get ready for the season. Then I got
to get ready for the playoffs, and then I got
to get ready to be the man in the Super Bowl.
Speaker 5 (40:38):
I didn't have it. I didn't have the drive.
Speaker 4 (40:41):
Then you started reading all the literature from the medical
parts and the medical ailments that's supposed to come with
the game of football, and so I would wait on
them to come. Rather, it was anxiety, whether it was depression,
whether it was the mental aspect of it. And I'm
glad it came within those first several years because I
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found out how to beat them. I found out how
to deal with them, and then I found out how
to beat them. And then God gave me this beautiful
lady in my life, my wife, and that's when I
was able to be come andre and I'm so thankful
for her, so thankful. But them first years, Ah, even
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to now, when it comes, you know, we could we
could be at the height of the day and that
depression will come at the oddest times. You could be
in church and it'll come, you know, and you just
gotta dissolve it, you know. And I hear other players
I talked, I do a lot of mental health awareness.
I'm on the I'm on the Hall of Fame Mental
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NFL Hall of Fame Mental Health Board. I'm on that
and proud to be on that with Calvin Johnson, Braylen Netwards.
Our company is called SMA. We do a lot of
a lot of speech and talks and fundraisers of that
sort to bring mental health awareness, you know, not to
just football players, but to the whole whole world.
Speaker 1 (42:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (42:12):
Braylan talked about that earlier did really great insights on
Like we always talked about the physical, but.
Speaker 1 (42:19):
The mental part part is huge.
Speaker 3 (42:22):
Yes, not just in sports, but in every aspect for
everybody really just always checking in and doing those things.
Speaker 4 (42:27):
Well, you've got to take care of our kids. Yeah,
and when you find yourself, you know, you don't have
to touch them, you don't have to curse them. And
you still could be abusive. You could be abusive in
your demeanor matter and you don't never, ever ever want
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to do that. And so when I had my four girl,
we had our four girls, I knew guy was talking
to me then he was telling me like, look, you
gotta be that guy.
Speaker 5 (43:00):
This has nothing to do with football.
Speaker 4 (43:02):
No touchdown, no catches. Don't even think about the Hall
of fame. Think about your wife and your kids.
Speaker 5 (43:09):
Yeah, I've been winning.
Speaker 1 (43:10):
We're gonna take a short break and we'll be back.
Speaker 5 (43:12):
In a minute.
Speaker 3 (43:15):
You've dealt with some trauma, like growing up, growing up
in Flint, it's been tough you being the you know,
the the main male in your household into your mother
remarried the stepfather, which I heard an interview on flat TV.
You were like, dude, it took so much stress off
me like I.
Speaker 1 (43:30):
No longer had to be like the man.
Speaker 5 (43:33):
You know.
Speaker 4 (43:34):
It was like you relax, Oh my god, man, and.
Speaker 1 (43:38):
Hold on, I'm gonna finish it.
Speaker 3 (43:39):
And I want you to go about that because I
just I want you to show us, just continue to
shed more light on people that have had trauma. But
things happen in your life where Gods bring people, specially
into your life to really sometimes you don't recognize it.
You know, you talked about your wife, this beautiful lady
that's brought into your life.
Speaker 1 (43:55):
It's really just like I get ease again.
Speaker 5 (43:58):
Oh yeah, oh yeah, yeah. My thing was.
Speaker 4 (44:04):
My mom and I when you raised right, your mom
is your mom, grandma and grandma, you know. But being
the oldest, like you said, living in West Virginia with
a stepdad that you know, abusive and then he gets murdered.
But I had just found out how to love him. Yeah,
(44:25):
now he's gone. I don't have a real dad. I
don't even know who my dad, you know what I'm
saying stuff like that. So to the extent of I
know who my dad is, Okay, well that means that
dad wasn't around. So you're growing up in that category, right,
(44:47):
So I got to be the man. I'm ten years
old and I'm the oldest. Stepdad just got murdered and
we moved back to Michigan. So we moved back from
West Virginia. We moved from West Virginia back to Michigan,
and not one man ever came in my mama's house,
you know. And then when she met this one particular guy,
which became my stepfather, it was another blessing, super blessing
(45:11):
because he came with all the intangibles my mom needed,
I need it, my brother needed, my sister needed, and
that's all we needed, you know.
Speaker 5 (45:21):
And we got a big family, huge family.
Speaker 4 (45:25):
But a husband to my mom is something totally different
than a brother to my mom.
Speaker 5 (45:30):
My mom has a.
Speaker 4 (45:31):
Bunch of brothers, right, that's not her husband.
Speaker 5 (45:35):
So when he came, I own eighty acres. We own
eighty acres.
Speaker 4 (45:40):
So to this day, we got our own lake, got
three houses, two barn, studios, all this. But it's just me,
my mom, my brother, and sister. You need somebody up
in here. And so she could have picked Joe, Bob,
a Terry, and I'm so glad she picked a van,
you know, and he came in. He's been in our
lives thirty plus years and I love him to death.
Speaker 5 (46:03):
Man, but he took the sense of security, like.
Speaker 4 (46:07):
Just me being away and wondering if you know, hey,
somebody kicking in the door. They know, you know them,
the risings over there, ain't no man over there. You know,
let's take advantage of it. So you're always thinking that
part of it. You know, my mother, my sister, my brother,
He's still in junior high at that time, and so
that took a lot of pressure off me. Financially. I
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kept doing what I was doing, you know, whatever I
was doing financially as far as helping my mom, I
always continue to continue to do it. That didn't change.
But by him being successful himself and coming in that helped.
Speaker 5 (46:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (46:45):
By him being a real man, a real father, that helped.
You know, by him being studious. He was from la
he was from California.
Speaker 5 (46:57):
That helped.
Speaker 4 (46:58):
Because he wasn't from around there. He wasn't around Flint.
You don't know nobody in Flint.
Speaker 5 (47:02):
That's cool.
Speaker 4 (47:03):
Well, that worked right up my alley and they're together today. Well,
we built the house maybe three years three years ago.
We built the house, my wife and I and it
was coming off of cancer stint. My wife was diagnosed
with breast cancer three and a half years ago, and
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I promised her, I said, Hey, if we get this,
we get this money, I'll build a house. If you're
gonna stay here, I'll build a house. And I wasn't
talking about staying here and staying in Michigan. I was
talking about staying here in life, you know, at that point.
And she did, Thank the Lord, she did. She beat
(47:47):
it and we immensely started building a house. We got
a beautiful home, built a brand new beautiful home in
ann Arburn, Michigan, and that's where we reside at. And
I wouldn't have never did it if it wasn't for her, Yeah,
I wouldn't. I would have took that money and and
and and bought some crypto, a big coin something, you know,
(48:08):
but it wouldn't have been no, no nice matching.
Speaker 5 (48:12):
Yeah, for the kids.
Speaker 4 (48:13):
And what she told me that day, it still resonates
with me. You need to put a house over our head.
That's like telling me you're gonna throw the ball to
me on third down.
Speaker 5 (48:29):
You know what I'm saying. It's third and eleven and.
Speaker 4 (48:31):
We're coming to you, you know, And so I took
on that responsibility and I'm so glad. And I don't
throw the mirror up to me too much, but that's
one time I throw it up and be like, I'm
proud of you.
Speaker 1 (48:44):
Yeah, yeah, you know, it's a big thing.
Speaker 5 (48:47):
Yeah, I'm proud of you.
Speaker 1 (48:48):
It's big. It's a big step. A lot of us
don't know how to do that, especially as former players.
When we look.
Speaker 3 (48:54):
Back after our career, it's a lot of blame, for sure,
it's a lot of could have, should have regret. And
so we when you get that time or that chance
or that opportunity to take a step back and like, man,
you did.
Speaker 4 (49:07):
Good, Yeah you did that, we don't we don't get
that you did good away from football.
Speaker 1 (49:16):
Yeah. It's like, for the most part, that's our love language.
Speaker 5 (49:20):
It is it really really because from.
Speaker 2 (49:23):
The time he was a little shorty to you're an
adult and you you're playing football. You know, we received there.
That's a good catch, Hey, good block, Hey that was
a good route. Hey, good job, awesome job. Hey this
you know, like that's that's that's what this is what
we're accustomed to. So when football is taken away or
when you remove football and you don't get that, I
(49:45):
would say on a daily basis, you kind of miss it.
But I'm like, wrong, my god, I'm glad you. I'm
proud of you for saying that and just recognizing.
Speaker 4 (49:55):
You know, it's like we live in this awesome community, man,
and successful people everywhere walk out the door of success
across the street, down the street, next door. So our
daughters are around that. Yeah, you know, my wife is successful.
So I'm out cutting the grass. I see the companies
(50:17):
that these people hire to come do landscaping. I'm doing
my landscaping. I'm cutting my grass, you know. And so
that right there in itself is like when I cut
my line. It's like winning the Super Bowl, Like can't
nobody tell me nothing, you know, Like like I'm I'm.
Speaker 5 (50:35):
Crazy with it.
Speaker 4 (50:35):
I'm almost too crazy with it, right and so it's
like I want everybody know I cut my own grass,
I did my own landscaping.
Speaker 1 (50:43):
Proud of I did my own Yeah, you know, I.
Speaker 5 (50:46):
Go scoop up my own dogs poop.
Speaker 1 (50:48):
You know.
Speaker 4 (50:49):
I ain't calling nobody in here to because we have
been catered to our whole life, playing that professional life,
you know, and do I stick to the core of
it though, as far as our teneraries that we've grown
accustomed to the being on time.
Speaker 5 (51:05):
Yeah, but ain't nothing like being retired.
Speaker 3 (51:08):
Man.
Speaker 4 (51:09):
I ain't gonna lie when I tell people to this day.
When I say hey, they say, hey, how you doing it?
Dah da dah. They look at my size first, and
there's no way this guy this size can have more
touchdowns to Mike Irvan and Calvin Johnson, No way, all right,
but I do.
Speaker 5 (51:24):
So this is what I tell him.
Speaker 4 (51:26):
Once I've been retired twenty four years, they give me
the illus evil look like they mad because I've been
retired twenty four years and I still.
Speaker 5 (51:39):
Look like this.
Speaker 4 (51:39):
Yeah, you know, it ain't got nothing to do with
the retirement. It's got to do with the element of
graduating to maturity. Yeah, I've matured. Not that we weren't
mature when we were playing, but we have so much
on our plate while we're playing. Where do you have
time to mature? I swear when these guys get in
(52:02):
trouble in the National Football League in today's time, I
kind of like can rock with them until they get
in my face to let them know, like straight up,
this is what you're doing. This is what you don't do.
And all them cats that you hang with and used
to hang with, when it's over, you ain't gonna be
hanging with them, and they're not gonna be around.
Speaker 5 (52:23):
I know you guys will know well as I know.
Speaker 4 (52:26):
And if the money get low, they definitely gonna be
They definitely ain't gonna be there. Deuces, they definitely not
gonna be there if you if you need a loan,
they're not gonna be there.
Speaker 5 (52:37):
If you need some help.
Speaker 4 (52:40):
The only help you're gonna get is the help I
love that I got and that was from my family
as far as the mental part of it, my sister,
my mom, my brother, Hey man, you need you need to. Okay,
you're doing all right well to a certain extent that
I die. But when my wife came in, it really
(53:00):
solidified the whole full circle. Yeah, of retirement, I got
my wife, I got my best friend. Now we built
this family. I ain't trying to like become adjacent.
Speaker 1 (53:13):
You know.
Speaker 4 (53:14):
I'm proud that I played in the National Football League.
I'm very honored to have that opportunity because if it
wasn't a National Football League, a lot of black athletes
wouldn't have been able to change communities across the country.
Speaker 1 (53:32):
Yeah, very true.
Speaker 2 (53:34):
Yeah, all right, so we'll go to a I got
a non football question for you. You know, we we're
in your home state. I was able to go to
and excuse me, not Atlanta. I was able to play
in Chicago for the bocal my career, and then I
went to Carolina with this clown over here. From here,
(53:55):
made a great name for yourself. Then you go to Atlanta,
make a great name for yourself. Off there, What city
do you claim more Flint, Minnesota?
Speaker 4 (54:07):
You know, blamee Blaine, Misa. That's where my wife from you,
So let me get that off first. Blame brain brand New.
But you know I've I've always said, you know, going
and raised in Flint. Yeah, that's what gave me, going
(54:28):
and raised in Flint, That's what gave me my my bite. Yeah,
you know, Atlanta will always be from head to toe
with me. I think I did a shout out to
them the other day, earlier today. I'm sorry, earlier today,
I gave a shout out for the NFL Draft, the
whole city Atlanta riding with me. They gave me a
gave me a uh, it ain't a it ain't a birthday,
(54:53):
but it's a it's a they gave me a day
down there.
Speaker 1 (54:55):
It's a proclamation.
Speaker 2 (54:56):
Proclamation there it is. It's actually November eighteen, remember at.
Speaker 1 (55:02):
One.
Speaker 5 (55:02):
Now, you guys are.
Speaker 1 (55:03):
Good Andre Rise and Appreciation Day.
Speaker 4 (55:07):
You're right, So how can you not say? You know,
that's that's your city, you know, and so I'm very
proud of that. I love I love the people in Atlanta.
Speaker 2 (55:18):
You've had a pretty successful life. Actually, you've had a
very successful life. And what we want to know is
who is on your personal amount rushmore woo you get full.
Speaker 5 (55:31):
Up, get four of them. I feel like I'm back
on the feud.
Speaker 1 (55:35):
I gotta hit the button.
Speaker 5 (55:36):
Hit the button all right, connected the football and just.
Speaker 1 (55:40):
No, just in life and life, just in life.
Speaker 2 (55:42):
How the people that have helped you get to today.
Speaker 5 (55:46):
So we won't in glue moms.
Speaker 1 (55:47):
You get in clue moms if you want to. It's
slowly customize up to.
Speaker 4 (55:50):
You because everybody, you know, we throw mom out there
a shap okay, the dads don't get enough the dad,
you know, only dad, we really know. The national scene
was serending them dad yeah and.
Speaker 1 (56:03):
Then uh from full house.
Speaker 4 (56:06):
Yeah from fully up from Full House, the only one
we've seen. Carl Wins love Carl Wins, that's it. So
I would say definitely.
Speaker 5 (56:17):
My granddad.
Speaker 4 (56:18):
Yeah, And if anybody knows me, I grew up in
the house with my grandfather. I sat there and watched
baseball games, all the Tiger games, all the Lions games.
I sat and listened to all the games on the radio.
That's how I really learned how to play, by visualizing
listening to the radio, and I learned how to play.
(56:39):
I never watched Monday Night football because I had to
go to bed at nine. So I would say my grandfather.
See when you don't have a dad dog. My dad
became doctor Charles Tucker, my agent, my representation. He represented
Magic Johnson, I said, Thomas Dominique Wilkins, Carl Banks, young
(57:03):
list goes on, Steve Smith, the Great Steve Smith. I
would say my granddad, doctor Tucker. Definitely my grandmother. She
gave me my heart to give beg given person, taught
(57:26):
me how to be a shepherd.
Speaker 5 (57:28):
God time, long time ago.
Speaker 4 (57:33):
So my grandparents, doctor Tucker, my mom and my wife
and all my kids surrounding it. Yeah, yeah, my mom
and my wife. Yeah, my grandparents, doctor Tucker, my mom,
and my wife.
Speaker 5 (57:52):
I love it.
Speaker 3 (57:54):
Now true or false? And then I'm gonna hit you
with the real question because I know we ain't got
what so far. Now it is rumored allegedly, I'm coming
back that you uh, that you have owned thirty four bens,
eight Ferraris, fourteen BMW's, twenty trucks, and eight porches.
Speaker 5 (58:19):
You are the winner.
Speaker 3 (58:22):
I mean, if you were the exact reason why everybody's like, oh,
you gotta be smart scared about this.
Speaker 1 (58:30):
I'm like, no, I want to be like Andre Rison.
Speaker 4 (58:32):
I Oh, trust me. I've had many say that rises
as long as they end up like this in the end,
you gotta end up. You gotta end up like this
in the end. Okay, you got to get the acreage first,
got it. I bought the eighty acres and still own
it to this day. Love it, you know what I'm saying. Yeah,
so no matter what I did in between, I can
go lay my little black button down and go to sleep.
Speaker 1 (58:55):
Right, Yeah, so so true, true, definitely true. Right. I
like it?
Speaker 3 (59:01):
And where do you You hinted at it earlier, but
I want to know how really it is. Where do
you place yourself, Andre Risen on the pantheon of all
time great wide receivers because you played during where we
had about six of them.
Speaker 5 (59:19):
Yeah, name your six first.
Speaker 3 (59:22):
I couldn't name six better than you when you played now,
because stats matter, I would always.
Speaker 5 (59:29):
Go with Jay Rice for sure, for sure.
Speaker 3 (59:32):
And then after that, Terrell Owens is somewhere in there
too because he put up numbers two for sure. And
then at that we can have a discussion.
Speaker 5 (59:40):
And I appreciate that. Yes, I really do.
Speaker 1 (59:43):
A lot of people like throw Randy Moss out there.
Speaker 4 (59:45):
Yeah, but being professional football players like us three, yeah,
we know what that film says.
Speaker 5 (59:52):
No doubt they watched TV.
Speaker 1 (59:55):
They also they have better quarterbacks than you.
Speaker 4 (59:57):
Right right, And that's another one. But I'm going into
what the average fancies. Yes, the average fancies TV. We
see the film, so who they might think that's great.
If you watch them for a full fifty plays, forty plays,
you might beg to differ. You're seeing the four completions
(01:00:17):
in the two touchdowns, but if you would have seen
him not block, not block, not give effort, not cross
the field, that attitude with his teammates here or there,
here there, whatever, those are all kept over here, which
they should be.
Speaker 5 (01:00:35):
Now, if you're a super fan, you might be able
to see through that.
Speaker 4 (01:00:38):
And that's being able to say, Okay, well, I'm gonna
take what the commentator is saying about Randy Moss and
so I'm not gonna put him in front of the
great point somebody I got you. Okay, well Tyo, Well,
I'm not gonna tell you Toyo has to ever won
a super Bowl, so we don't put it in super
bowls because Randy never won a super Bowl either. Right,
(01:01:00):
then you say, well, Calvin Johnson gets to go to
the Hall of Fame and he ain't want a playoff game?
Speaker 5 (01:01:07):
Maybe right?
Speaker 1 (01:01:08):
Did he play ten years or is it just nine?
Speaker 5 (01:01:10):
It might be nine?
Speaker 4 (01:01:12):
And here I go sitting there with more touchdowns and
all this stuff. And I got more touchdowns than Michael Irvin.
And I plan the division with Jerry Rice, so I
see him twice a year. I do things that he
can't do. It ain't nothing Jerry Rice can do that
I can't do. There's a difference between that quarterback position.
Now that's Joe Montana. No disrespect to the ones I
(01:01:36):
play with, the fifty that I played with, Right, but
that's Joe Montana point. So Joe steps out hill comes
Steve Young. I never played with a guy like to
Steve Young, right, So when I look at it, I
look at it as though if I could cover you,
because really I was a defensive back. I never played
wide receiver in my life. I got to put it
(01:01:57):
wide receiver in college. So my thing is, when I
look at the top receivers, if I feel like I
can check you, there's no way I'm gonna put you
in front of me, because I know you can't check me.
Jerry Rice can check me if he tried three times.
None of them guys can check me. You have to
go to some old school guys that can get wiggly
(01:02:18):
and can shift, that will shifty dbs, that can move
left right, all that good stuff. So when I look
at it, I compare all I compile all that information,
all that data they called it, they call it what
they call it analytics now.
Speaker 1 (01:02:30):
And so.
Speaker 5 (01:02:33):
I'm the greatest receiver to play there.
Speaker 1 (01:02:35):
It is there, it is. I like it, the greatest
of all time.
Speaker 5 (01:02:38):
Of all time.
Speaker 4 (01:02:43):
How many Pro Bowls do you have to go to
before your perennial Pro Bowl? To five straight? I don't
need to go to Joe Montowna is not even playing
in them. The quarterbacks not even playing. It's certain players
pulling out of the Pro Bowl. So okay, well how
many times I make All Pro? All you need to
do is make All Pro once and you're All Pro? Right, Okay?
Speaker 5 (01:03:00):
So then okay, well super Bowls.
Speaker 4 (01:03:02):
I'm like, man, I ain't never gonna get a chance
to win the Super Bowl if I don't get with
a team.
Speaker 5 (01:03:08):
With other great players on it. That you know.
Speaker 4 (01:03:11):
And the first time I got with one, we won it.
That was the Green Bay Packers, and I didn't wait.
I might have scored every playoff game. Then went into
the Super Bowl. The first drive, first pass, touchdown. It
was easy, right, So I'm thinking, like, I know now
I'm the best to play the game. Well I catch
(01:03:32):
Jerry Rice's stats, No, nobody will, right, But I'm on
the best plan.
Speaker 5 (01:03:37):
I'm the best.
Speaker 1 (01:03:38):
Like that I am.
Speaker 5 (01:03:39):
I'm the best.
Speaker 4 (01:03:40):
He can beat me rout, running, beat me, catching, beat me,
run after the catch, beat me, just beat beat me, block,
just beat me something. And no, I'm not six four,
I'm not six three. I'm not six two six one.
On Monday nights, Sunday, I'm six foot Monday night, six weeks.
It's got to be some type of elevation though, Monday.
(01:04:00):
I like it.
Speaker 5 (01:04:01):
You know that.
Speaker 2 (01:04:04):
Made you represented well, you played the game well a man.
We appreciate you coming on this podcaank you guys.
Speaker 5 (01:04:10):
Thank you guys so much.
Speaker 1 (01:04:11):
And it's these stories we appreciate it.
Speaker 5 (01:04:13):
Thank you guys so much. Now when I start mind,
I'm have to have you guys.
Speaker 3 (01:04:16):
On most definitely the greatest opportunity if you asked that, sir,
Thank you sire.
Speaker 2 (01:04:22):
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Speaker 2 (00:40):
I'm really really looking forward to this interview. Go ahead,
Uh yeah, this next, gentleman. One of the most dynamic
receivers the game has ever seen.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
Yes, they're an all Pro.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
He's a pro bowler, played twelve years in the league
since retirement. He's a coach. He's a musician, he's an artist,
he's an author. Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome Andre Risen
to the.
Speaker 4 (01:05):
All Right.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
I would be remiss if I didn't say it, because
I I think you have a top three greatest nickname
of all time.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
Oh yeah, Andre bad Moon Rising.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
I mean, how I'm from Alabama, so I grew up
watching you, a huge fan. It's an honor to actually
have you here, being in your city. You're from Detroit,
and maybe just talk about how many the great Detroit
ballers are all back here.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
Yeah, I didn't even know that you spies, Rayln Yeah,
Drake Bell, I mean, yeah, y'all, I didn't seen already.
Speaker 4 (01:43):
Man and a lot of us they have kids this play. Yeah,
you know, and so thank you for all the flowers.
That's that's for sure, you and Rome and fans of
you guys. It's funny when you try to become a
collegiate coach. You know, there's some many stipulations in so
many small little loopholes, and even though we feel like
(02:04):
we got degrees in the game of football, it's really
difficult to retire and then go get a collegiate job
as a coach.
Speaker 5 (02:13):
We all know the minority fact.
Speaker 4 (02:15):
But at the same time, you know, you feel like
you put enough time in in the game of football.
Speaker 5 (02:20):
It was your occupation, so you should be able to
teach it.
Speaker 4 (02:23):
And I'm not knowing everybody played coach, you know, can coach,
but we got a good thing going here instead of Michigan.
A lot of former NFL guys have come back and
given to the community, not just in Detroit, all the
way to Flint, Michigan where the great mark ingram when
won the Heisman in Alabama. You know, so when you
(02:44):
see things like that, you can see the trend moving.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
Where you're coaching at. Put that out there too.
Speaker 4 (02:48):
University of Leggo it's in gross Pointe, Michigan. We went
eight to one last year, lost in the first first
round of playoffs.
Speaker 5 (02:56):
I got some great kids.
Speaker 4 (02:58):
It's a private school, so it's a little bit for pulling,
you know, just natural born talent out. And so I
think we did a great job with the kids that
we have. Got some scholarships in the first year. Yeah,
got some offers, just some returning kids, and you know,
that's what that's what the whole goal is, to help
help these families take that initial next step.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
So I know, for me, my draft story it was
was amazing.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
I was very low key. I know your draft story
you were low key back at the crib.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
I think yours is a little a little different, you know,
I was at the crib and like a tank top
and a T shirt and some shorts on, some workout clothes,
and I was like, my little low key party yours
took a little bit of a turn. Can you explain
a little bit or explain to the listeners about what happened,
because I know it was. It kind of got a
little shaky.
Speaker 5 (03:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (03:50):
At first, I didn't Actually I didn't know what sport
I was gonna play. Okay, because I had ambitions to
playing basketball, I went originally went to college to play basketball.
I played basketball in Michigan State. I ran track at
Michigan State. I played football, and so when it came
time for the maybe six months out from the draft,
my agent and I were talking and he was like, look,
(04:11):
we just need to focus on football. And so I
let basketball go my senior year and started focusing on football.
And I wasn't even on the chart, dudes, I wasn't
nowhere on the charts because we didn't throw the ball
at Michigan State. We had a great running back from
Lorenzo White, yep, and so they had all these receivers
pegged on top of me. And so I played two
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my last two games going into my senior year. We
played the last two games, I scored like seven or
eight touchdowns and the gatorball between the Gator Bowl and
the Hula ball. So I catapuled like a probability of
a first round, second round, right, And so draft Day
comes and I'm sitting there and the phone rings and
it's Detroit Lions and they said, hey, half our staff
(04:53):
wants Barry Sanders. The other half of the staff once
Andre ridden. And they didn't go wrong. I was like, yeah,
they didn't go wrong, but they wouldn't have went wrong
with myself either, you know. So I ended up sliding
from the number two possible pick all the way to
the twenty second pick, still first round, but as we know,
(05:16):
that's a different value and the running and everything, you know.
And so I came out with a little probably the
same bite as you did, you guys did. Yeah, I
came out with the same type of you know, I
need to prove myself. And it actually helped me throughout
my career because I started off with the Indianapolis coach,
got drafted first round, and then I was traded the
(05:37):
proceeding year. But the number one pick overall, it sounds flattering.
But when you're twenty one, twenty two years old, and
you feel like you just played, you know, balls out,
you just both bought a house in Indianapolis, your set,
you feel like you made the All Rookie team. You're
going to be there, second leading receiver on the team.
(05:59):
And I jumped to my current draft there and took
off and I hit it up the East Lansing my
alumni and alm My Martyr and I'm gonna have a
draft party and everything. I get about halfway and I
get a phone call. You guys are maybe too young.
We used to have phones in the middle.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
Oh yeah, I know I didn't have one, but I
know what they well, I.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
Mean, well, let's go tell me the whole thing then,
Like what kind of car was you riding in? Because
not every car just had the phone in the middle. Yeah,
you tell me that part too.
Speaker 5 (06:26):
I was on that Bobby Brown stuff back in the day.
Speaker 4 (06:28):
I had that five sixty sec hard five sixes the
whole class. Dion Sanders had one, Roderick Thomas had one. Yeah,
Derek Thomas had one, and my little butt had one.
Speaker 5 (06:41):
You know what I'm saying. And so I'm headed back. Man,
the phone ring.
Speaker 4 (06:45):
I answered it and it's my mom and she says, hey,
where are you. I said, I'm on the highway. I'm
headed at the East Lansing. She said, I said that.
She said the draft started. I said the draft started, right.
She said yeah. She said you need to turn around
and I said why and she said, because I said
the draft started, right. She said, yeah, you need to
turn around. I'm like, what And I'm thinking the worst.
(07:08):
I'm thinking a member of the family that died or something.
And she says, you just got traded. I said, how
I get traded and the draft just started? She said,
you got traded with the number one pick, first pick overall.
Speaker 5 (07:21):
And it was for Jeff George.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (07:23):
And I was like, I'm not going.
Speaker 4 (07:26):
I didn't know anything about the South, you know, I'm
from the Midwest, up north. I said, I'm not going.
And she says, boy, over the phone, You're going wherever
they signed.
Speaker 5 (07:36):
That check at.
Speaker 4 (07:37):
And so that's the history of the story, and the
rest was history.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
Man.
Speaker 4 (07:41):
I ended up going to the city of Atlanta, and
you know, they embraced me with open arms and I
was able to play.
Speaker 5 (07:47):
You know, I was staying in football for that city.
And at the organization.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
How do you feel in that moment when your mom
told you got traded after having such an amazing first year?
Speaker 1 (07:55):
Eventually, how are you feeling?
Speaker 5 (07:57):
I was hurt. I was hurt.
Speaker 4 (08:00):
I felt like I needed to find out what I
had did wrong. Yeah, you know, never been cut before,
It never been traded before, because you know, you fresh
out of college, you played that first year in the pros.
And it's funny, I played in the locker room full
of older guys, like those guys had second jobs, Like
seventy percent of our teammates as a rookie, they had
(08:22):
second jobs. And so those guys were like big brothers
to me, beyond friends because I learned the game outside
the game from them. And all of a sudden, I
was gone. And you know, I didn't even get a
chance to talk to none of the owners, none of
the urses, none of the Indianapolis Coats owners, never seen them,
never talk to him to this day, and it kind
(08:44):
of hurt, But then it gave me the bite I
needed to go against guys like yourself.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
So would you if you could talk to Jim RS,
would you thank him today?
Speaker 1 (08:54):
Well, it wasn't him that made it. I think it
was a father that made the trade, but.
Speaker 4 (08:58):
I don't know which one made it. I think the
one was, like, you know, very active, like Jerry Jones.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
Yeah, yeah, you know I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (09:04):
And I've never I.
Speaker 4 (09:06):
Never got a chance an opportunity to say anything to
those guys. I've never And I played one time after
I left. I played the coach one time, and I
used to look on the schedule.
Speaker 5 (09:15):
I ain't lying. I used to look on the schedule
like most people do.
Speaker 4 (09:17):
When we played, when we played these emos, you know
what I'm saying, When we played these emos and never
played against him. And then finally in my last year
in my career, I played everybody that I was a
part of the organization prior to playing for the Raiders,
and it was like what they call it nowadays, the tour,
the tour when the player goes on.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
The tour like stairwell.
Speaker 5 (09:41):
Yeah, yeah, it wasn't a fair It was straight to revenge.
It was straight revenge. But man, I had an awesome career.
Speaker 4 (09:49):
Like I said, the city of Atlanta, That's why I'm
here today at the NFL Draft twenty twenty four because
of the Falcons organization. Yeah, you know, allowing me to
go out and announce the picks second round and third Yeah.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
So I think Peanut asked a great question, but about
your draft day experience.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
But I want to know about the night before.
Speaker 5 (10:07):
Oh, y'all seen the movie.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
I don't know about the night before.
Speaker 4 (10:13):
If you haven't seen the movie, go watch the movie.
It's a great movie. It's on Apple TV to B.
You can watch it free for two on two B now.
But it's Andre Risen's story, wide open, great movie. It's
my first project as a as a film producer, and
we got many more projects to come. But there's a
scene in there that you know, recalls the night before
(10:33):
the draft, and I tell my wife. My wife always
tells me, hey, man, don't go nowhere and start to fight.
Don't start no argument.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
You that guy? Do you get the rules for you?
Speaker 4 (10:43):
I think we're all them guys when we retire. First
we got to get them shoulder pads off of us.
You know what I'm saying, And so get that stuff
off our chest. But long story short, I've never picked
a fight, started a fight, so it was hard to
pinpoint where it came from. And me being the oldest
in the family and a younger brother and younger sister.
(11:04):
I didn't know where it came from. But the night
before the draft, my house was shot up and we
didn't know who, We didn't know how I die. And
my mom was in the house, my young son, Andre
Junior was in the house, my sister was in the house.
And so when we got word of it, it just
it just put me.
Speaker 5 (11:24):
On alert, on a whole other level of who I
really was about to become.
Speaker 4 (11:29):
And it taught me about security, taught me about uh,
taught me about a lot of stuff, you know, that
I was about to endure being an NFL player, a
professional athlete.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
So was that next day just business as usual?
Speaker 2 (11:41):
Was it just like, oh, the house got shut up,
all right, Well, let's go to the drift he was.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
Was it like a normal, normal thing.
Speaker 5 (11:47):
Living in Flint, Michigan at that time, Michigan, you know,
you know it was? It was?
Speaker 4 (11:54):
It was normal, But it wasn't normal for me because
I didn't I didn't get in fights, I didn't start
I didn't have time really to indulging those type of things,
and so we just couldn't pinpoint it. But we moved on.
I think The strongest person out of it was my
mom because she was actually in the house when the
(12:15):
shots were fired and came through, and they were about
twenty five shots that hit the house. And at that time,
you know, we still hadn't got no money yet, so we.
Speaker 5 (12:24):
Were living in a little hut.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (12:25):
So that bullet went through the front door.
Speaker 4 (12:27):
It was already at the back door, you know, so
you know, thank the Lord, we was able to push
through that. But that is an incident where I can
always go back to and tell these younger guys that's
coming up. And you know the difference between being a
gym rat and being in these streets trying to be
a gym rat at the same time.
Speaker 5 (12:46):
It don't work.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
Yeah, So twenty fifteen, I go to Carolina and our
team in with this joker, and I kind of think
that's where our bond, that's kind of where we started.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
I call my work wife, got you right, and this
is something like that?
Speaker 2 (13:02):
Yeah, like that, But Rome, every I think everyone knowing,
like when we do these podcasts, like Rome, Rome was
my guy, Like we.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
Were stick as thieves.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
Yeah, you end up going to Atlanta your second year
and you team up with UH with Dion. Yeah, and
you guys really built up bond. You guys had a
supposal connection. Talk talk about like what that bond, How
how you guys became friends.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
Talk about that experience. Well, actually or that relationship.
Speaker 5 (13:28):
Relationship and bond.
Speaker 4 (13:30):
It grew from being a being each other's nemesis in college. Yeah,
all the way from his great institution was Florida State
mines with Michigan State. Uh, you got the top defensive
back in the country, top wide receiver in the country,
and we had to play each other in college.
Speaker 5 (13:46):
I didn't even know that. I didn't either play.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
Against the college.
Speaker 4 (13:49):
Yeah, we had to play play against each other in college,
and they had the better team and they beat us.
Speaker 5 (13:55):
We didn't throw the ball a lot, but I knew by.
Speaker 4 (13:58):
Just being on the stage with a guy of that
character and a guy of that confidence, it will prepel
me to let me know really where I was at.
And So we played Florida State in Michigan State first,
I want to say. And so we didn't have the internet,
(14:19):
we had USA today, we had that newspaper. So the
first time I got a chance to get a mic
in my face, and the first time he got a
chance opportunity to get one in his face. We shot shots.
You know, check me, well, you yeah, get open. You know, well,
I'm gonna do this. Well, I'm gonna do this. I'm
gonna do that. I'm gonna do that, you know, knowing
I ain't gonna get the ball. But you know it's
(14:40):
a perfect state CBS, ABC. And so we didn't even
talk like during that first meeting, didn't say anything to
each other. They kicked our butts. They went on back
to Florida and we went our way. That second time,
we played in Tallahassee and I'm running thirty yards down
(15:00):
same type of USA today talk prior to the game though,
and I'm running thirty yards down field and he just
goes in my mouth.
Speaker 5 (15:09):
I said, I'm a killing right, I said, when I
get back to the uddle.
Speaker 4 (15:14):
I walked back to the huddle, and I think it
was a pass play, and I'm gonna tell you we
would run first dominant. I deferred the past. I wanted
to run and pop him one right back. So I
went flying down the field like I had a go
route and I bopped him in his mouth.
Speaker 5 (15:34):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (15:36):
So now it's really on. So we're looking we're jabbing.
I'm looking at all of Florida State sideline. I'm jabbing,
and so the other defensive back he said, man, what
part of Florida are you from?
Speaker 5 (15:45):
And I said, what part of Florida? Said, I'm not
from Florida. You know. It just got all super high.
And the next play I catch.
Speaker 4 (15:52):
It and I go in for like a thirty five
or thirty yard touchdown, and he's on the opposite side
coming to make the tackle to prevent me. No, then
we go back. He intercepted the ball the previous drive.
He jumped over my back about four or fifty yards downfield.
I beat him, he says, he just let me get
(16:13):
inside quarterback through it. He goes over my head and
he intercepts it. I knew what type of athlete he was.
Tremendous athlete. So he goes over my head. It was
last player at the half. I'm trying to catch it,
getting the ins on for a score. So he picks
it off, gets up and does this prime time. So
two players, two series later.
Speaker 5 (16:32):
I catch it.
Speaker 4 (16:33):
I go in for a touchdown, but he has to
tackle me. He misses the tackle. I go in for
the touchdown. I turned back. I look back. He's on
the ground holding his ankle, and that's where the bond begins.
I celebrated, and when I celebrated, our teammates we walked
started walking towards our bench. I seen him still on
(16:54):
the ground. I ran out on the field at Florida State,
got on one knee. That was our first time ruling
engaging with each other face to face like that, and
asking was he all right? He grab my hand, I'm good,
And from then on we've been best of friends all
the way to brothers to this day. I just I'm
in Colorado three four times every two three months.
Speaker 3 (17:16):
What were the vibes like in that Atlanta locker room,
because it wasn't just about football in Atlanta at that time, No, No,
it was I'm from Alabama, so I'm from the south
right down the street. Yeah, I heard nothing but Atlanta music.
Atlanta at that point had taken over the music industry,
So it wasn't just about that Atlanta Falcons. That Atlanta
(17:38):
Braves were really good at the time. Yeah, like all
these things are going on in Atlanta. So it was
really a blessing in stats for you. But I want
to know what those vibes were like like everything else
besides the football stuff.
Speaker 4 (17:51):
It's funny because my first year there, first couple of
years we made the playoffs. One of those years we
were so terrible, but we had the two best young players. Yeah,
you had Deon Sanders, you had Andre Rodgon, but we
would be literally like one In nine, two and twelve,
(18:12):
we were playing basketball at the at Direct Center, like
during regular season, like practice would be over and we
were like five hundred team we betting on the game.
Speaker 5 (18:22):
We're going to play basketball in the mid season.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
So I had that young legs.
Speaker 5 (18:26):
Yeah, but that's young losing you so you know that.
Speaker 4 (18:34):
But it's crazy because they asked us as an organization
to bond away from the game. Yeah right, and this
is going to go into Rome's thing. Bonding away from
the game in Atlanta could mean trouble. It's a different
nightlife than Green Bay, Wisconsins nightlife, and when we got there,
(18:55):
we were at the beginning of the push to bring
it to the height of this. Now, so you're talking
about guys that had their own clubs. Dion had his
own club, I had, I had several clubs, nightclubs. You're
talking about black entertainment at his highest level, professionalism at
its highest level, all the way from legislation that's politicians,
(19:19):
you name it. So it was kind of weird, especially
for me being from up north. I've seen the integration
away from the game early, you know, and so you
got to remember we are in the South, and so
it's different when you know, it's six foot guy jumps
out of Ferrari with all his jurion and his partners
(19:41):
on the other side, and this Lamborghini with all his
jurion and both step out and it's Dion Sanders and
Andre Rison. But they got nicknames prime Time, you know,
bad Moon, Showtime, you know, Neon Dion. So of course
the off the field, you know, curriculums changed because now
(20:03):
you got music. Film had hit just yet, but the
music was the music was like no rap was still
played on the radio at that time, so you got
all those MC's, you got all the word hip hop,
all that involved. And so we're like in the middle
of it. You know, Deon's got the club, I got
(20:25):
the club, we got the DJs. I can play your
music if I want to play it or not, so
I'm almost or he can't do as well, so we
can almost navigate the music game on who we put
on without even being in the music game, And so
that was another empowerment too as well, to be part
of Atlanta's music scene, or I should say entertainment scene nightlife,
(20:47):
and so that vibe was extra good.
Speaker 3 (20:49):
I didn't even know you guys own clubs. That's new information.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
Yeah, that was the Wikipedia page.
Speaker 4 (20:55):
Yes, yeah, Well, you know the thing is, they'll never
give you the flowers for being politically correct in your
business moves at being savvy. But the moment you know
you mess up, well you spent too much money, They're
gonna print that ten times.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
Yeah. What kind of influence has Deanne had on your life?
Speaker 4 (21:15):
Uh?
Speaker 5 (21:16):
Major? I say major.
Speaker 4 (21:17):
I think we both have had very influential moments with
each other, him giving me, him giving me the window
of like.
Speaker 5 (21:34):
Encouragement to like, look, man, be you.
Speaker 4 (21:39):
If you feel like you're the greatest of play, be
the greatest, don't back down from it. Let's be pros
at it. Though he was always a pro, and that's
what people don't realize. The guy was always a pro.
And so I was more street driven, I was more edgy,
(22:01):
So being with him kind of curved that. I think
we both were godly guys. I think we both believed
in the Lord at a high level, respected it. And
then the business side of it. Mindes was more brash.
His was more that the people work for you, and
(22:21):
so you know, we picked and choose what we would
take from each other. And then it's funny when we
got into the music and I was I'm actually like
like Peanuts said, I'm I'm a musician. And he beat
me to putting out an album. He put an album
out a single at least, you know, money must be
(22:42):
the money. But that's showing you though, somebody that's not
scared to fail. And I think we both like brought
that to each other, like, look, let's try to be
the best we can ever be even if we fail.
Speaker 5 (22:57):
And he's doing that now at Colorado.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
So you got you talked about the influence that Dion
Maya had on your life or whatever. I want to
know who and tell me if it's true or not
or is it just a rumor? In either way, it's
can stay in this room, but it's probably not right.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
But who influenced too? Uh? If you guys are roommates
and who overslept in Houston.
Speaker 5 (23:20):
Y'all you know what.
Speaker 4 (23:21):
You guys are really good, y'all digging information like you know,
I'm not gonna give shots out to other guys about
their podcast on this podcast. You know what I'm saying,
You guys dig some good information. Whose fun was it
that that night? It might have been prime, that night
would have been think come think of it, you know,
(23:44):
and I'll tell you that was so funny. We man,
we woke up.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
We got you.
Speaker 5 (23:52):
Yeah, yeah, you guys, you got it, you got it.
We woke up.
Speaker 4 (23:55):
Bus gone, Bus one gone, bus two going, and I
know you guys know.
Speaker 3 (23:58):
O bust three, last one out, Bus three, last one out, right.
Speaker 5 (24:03):
He normally catches either he's no later than the second bus.
Speaker 4 (24:08):
He'll catch that first bus because he'll go over get
all this whatever.
Speaker 5 (24:12):
He got his mojo going. You know.
Speaker 4 (24:14):
You walk in the locker room and Primes Dion has
this whole outfit laid out. Yeah, with the shoes, the
whole outfit, the whole nine like somebody's in it already.
He had an iPad before people knew what iPads were.
He was already breaking the receivers down on game day
to get actual game day he would be breaking them
down so he would leave a little earlier. I was
on those special teams, so I would leave on the
(24:36):
last bus. And really I used to be nervous. I
used to be nervous a lot because I know I
had to take hits. I knew I had to get tackled,
so I would go on the last bus. But for
some reason, he was the last couple of weeks, several weeks,
he's been going on the last bus, you know, be
hanging out on the last bus. So I'm like, dude,
I cut it like right to the inch, you know,
(24:59):
And so fine, larm's going off. Fine, fine, I look
at it. I look at the clock. Oh man, they
didn't move time back ahead. They moved time ahead or whatever. Right,
I ain't paying no mind.
Speaker 5 (25:13):
So he asked me, what time is it? Oh man,
it's seven eight thirty. So we got time.
Speaker 4 (25:19):
We got time, but it really was nine thirty, ten thirty, right,
all the busses are gone, so me and him got
to jump in the cab and get in the regular
traffic of fans coming into the game. So now we're
boiling down to like forty five minutes before kickoff.
Speaker 5 (25:40):
We're still in the cab.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
We're still in the cap, still in the cap, It's
forty five minutes before kickoff.
Speaker 5 (25:45):
We look at each other, We're like, dude, we got
to get out this cab and run.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
So we got out the cab.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
Bags and all suiting off, suiting off, and ran at
least at least a half a mile to get up
in there.
Speaker 4 (26:00):
And so we get up in there, both sweating like hogs.
And the first thing the coach say is he's like,
where you guys been? And then it just got quiet.
Now coach was Jerry Glanville, So we might.
Speaker 5 (26:15):
Get away with it.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
We might not, you know.
Speaker 4 (26:17):
He's like, what's going on? And then Prime said, Drea
Tael you, Drea Tael you, Drea Tael you. And so
I think that's why I ended up with the butt
of the story. You know, Drea tell you, Drea tell you.
But long story short, he says, don't worry about you.
Better play the best game of your life, right, And
(26:37):
so he said, you better play the best game of
your life. And so, uh, I hadn't caught a pass
the whole game, he hadn't had an interception the whole game.
I don't even think he made a tackle. And so
they finally punted. He takes it all the way to
the house.
Speaker 5 (26:56):
So I'm not the only one.
Speaker 4 (26:57):
Still hadn't done anything right, So I'm like, they take
me out the game.
Speaker 5 (27:02):
I just know I'm about to get fine. I ain't
gonna tell you all what that fine was.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
It's all good. I'm just glad we figured out that figure.
Speaker 4 (27:09):
So it was okay, I'll take far for it, I'll
take fun, I'll take the higher road.
Speaker 5 (27:13):
How about that?
Speaker 1 (27:14):
Hey man, that's a good that's a good fall guy.
I like that. We'll be back in a minute.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
What I'm curious is what you do in the three
years between the NFL and then when you went to
the CFL.
Speaker 5 (27:28):
Oh man, Now that was a trip. I love the CFL. Yeah,
it was. I became a world champion over yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
Toronto was the one I've been a one CFL game
and that's the one game I went to. Actually, I
went to Toronto organized game. Michael Bishop was.
Speaker 4 (27:42):
Bishop boy, big boy, yeah, state a good good friend
of mine. I went and the organization were in transition
of moving to a building.
Speaker 1 (27:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (27:57):
So when I got there, they were working out of units.
So I asked myself, I asked God to what kind
of units, like like elementary units, like units sitting on bricks, like.
Speaker 5 (28:08):
Oh, like trailers working trailers. They're working out the trailers.
Speaker 4 (28:14):
I went over there and won a championship, and next
year they asked me to come back, but they asked
me to come back as a player coach, and so
I had no problem with no problem with it. But
when I got over there, the game was different.
Speaker 5 (28:26):
The field was much wider. So my first day of practice,
they put me.
Speaker 4 (28:32):
In the slot and so I was standing still and
the other receivers were coming down, running.
Speaker 1 (28:40):
Running toward the line of Segia line.
Speaker 5 (28:43):
Yeah. Yeah, And so I'm like, okay, I'm cool with it.
Speaker 4 (28:46):
Like for the first two days, I'm show them that
I can get out and still run and all this
good stuff.
Speaker 5 (28:50):
Right man.
Speaker 4 (28:51):
I went and watched film and I'm like them guys
were like leaving me like this, right, And so I
went and asked the coach. I said, hey, how about
moving the old guy in the back so I can
have the head.
Speaker 5 (29:03):
Start and I can get the running start. Right. So
that was my first route. That was my first change
in the game.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
Welcome to Welcome to the c.
Speaker 4 (29:11):
Yeah, well to the CFL. Moment right. And then my
second one was after that practice. I'm getting dressed and
I'm about to leave practice, and they're like, teammates of mine, like,
meet me in the parking lot.
Speaker 5 (29:26):
I might meet you in the parking lot. Me in
the parking lot.
Speaker 4 (29:29):
They like, We're gonna meet in the parking lot, and
then we're gonna go back to our apartment.
Speaker 5 (29:34):
Barbecue, team coming.
Speaker 4 (29:35):
Over, all good things, and we're gonna play some video
games and Madden and all this stuff and you can
get a chance to meet your teammates and fratnize. I say, okay, cool,
So I go to the parking lot. When I walk
up in the parking lot, it's like a cannabis fest.
And at that time, I was still was trying to
get back in the league and go to a contender
(29:56):
to win another Super Bowl. So I'm not trying to
get it no trouble. I don't want to be around
nobody that's doing wrong. My whole team in there is smoking,
bud dude, chilling, Hey, bad moods.
Speaker 5 (30:09):
Man. We so glad that have you.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
Oh man, I'm like what.
Speaker 5 (30:14):
I'm like, what is this?
Speaker 4 (30:15):
And then I seen the cars, right, and so I've
seen the cars at the facility, and I'm like, man,
I've seen that car. I seen and if I can recall,
somebody said that's a coach's car, right, And so I said, okay,
that's a coach's car. Well, what is the coaches car
doing over my teammates apartment?
Speaker 5 (30:31):
Man?
Speaker 4 (30:31):
I walk in the kitchen coaching there season in the meat. Man,
we so glad to have you. You know what I'm saying.
Can you imagine that in the NFL?
Speaker 1 (30:40):
I couldn't. You couldn't, right, I couldn't.
Speaker 5 (30:41):
You could And our record at that time was like
four and eight. We were losing record, right, yeah.
Speaker 4 (30:48):
And so I'm sitting there and I'm contemplating on cutting
the television off and pulling the plug out of the
video game. And it's about twenty of us in there,
because I'm going to hold court.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
You about to get them? Right?
Speaker 5 (31:03):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (31:04):
Yeah, this ain't it.
Speaker 5 (31:05):
This ain't it.
Speaker 4 (31:06):
I sat there for about five minutes. I looked around
and started sizing them up. If they jumped me, I said, well,
they jump me. They jumped me. I went over there
and unplugged the TV boom and they just got total silent.
I said, nobody got no film I said, we didn't
want a game in two three weeks. I said, nobody
got no film. I said, y'all, I said, y'all can smoke,
(31:29):
But why don't we smoke till we get five hundred?
Speaker 5 (31:33):
And we won. We didn't lose a game, and we
end up winning the world title. Yeah, and we end
up winning the world title. Yeah. And super great experience
for me.
Speaker 4 (31:44):
And that's what propelled me and the coaching, and I've
been coaching since, coaching and mentorings ever.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
Since you moved changed everything.
Speaker 5 (31:52):
Oh yeah, that moment changed everything.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
You move.
Speaker 3 (31:54):
Guys, I want to see I want to know your
own opinion. And sometimes it's hard to look at ourselves
in the mirror and give us well, I think sometimes
we give us as the most honest answer, we look
ourselves in the mirror. So I'm gonna put a mirror
in front of you right now and ask you this
is it fair to say or comparison that you're the
Allen Iverson of football, kind of like the bad boy
(32:19):
and a little bit more brash, you know. Yeah, And
it's also has something to do with the dress, the
Atlanta like all these other things.
Speaker 5 (32:27):
Yeah, Alan is like my little brother I love him
to death.
Speaker 4 (32:32):
I'm so proud of him, so proud of what Reebok
did for him. I'm so proud of what Philadelphia did
for him. The seventy six ers. Yeah, I think it's
well overdue. But is their comparisons most definitely. At first
I used to get Dennis Rodman, and that was because
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of all the tattoos, because nobody was running around the
NFL with tattoos and.
Speaker 5 (32:57):
You doing this. But I'm winning. Yeah, I'm winning and
I'm not bothering nobody.
Speaker 4 (33:02):
Yeah, I'm winning. I'm playing at a high level. I
feel like I'm the greatest to play this position. Still
to this day, everybody wants to say, oh, that guy
is because why because he's six whatever. Nah, they don't
go like that. So if you want to say Jerry
Wright's okay, that's cool. But I feel like I'm the
best to ever played the game. And in saying that,
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you're like, okay, well, I feel like I should have
been the first Battle of Hall of Fame. I retired
top five all time in almost every category.
Speaker 1 (33:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (33:30):
So then you ask yourself with that mirror, are you
a bad person?
Speaker 1 (33:37):
Are you?
Speaker 5 (33:38):
Are you?
Speaker 4 (33:38):
You start trying to finagle through what could possibly be
the negatives?
Speaker 5 (33:43):
What is wrong with you? And so I could we
all be better people? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (33:47):
But have I done anything to warrant this denial? I hadn't.
I didn't burn my own house up, I didn't opim.
Did I make the mistakes wherever I made the mistake,
I ad met right and I believe Allen did that,
you know, And.
Speaker 5 (34:05):
The comparison is a great comparison.
Speaker 1 (34:07):
I would also say.
Speaker 3 (34:08):
How I mean, And I don't think it's all the
way you until you talked about earlier, how you were
able to control the music industy, industry. But it's also
this hip hop culture all of a sudden invaded football before, Yes,
when nobody ever really thought about it, the same way
when Alan Iverson's wearing jerseys throwbacks on the sidelines when
nobody has seen that in the NBA before. Either changed
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the whole game and everybody changed the game. And it's
just the game wasn't ready. And now you look up and.
Speaker 4 (34:37):
Remember Edrin James had to go through the issues about
his hair, yes, and he couldn't get no commercials, but
Paula Moore got the commercial. Yeah, you know what I'm saying.
So it's like it's tricks and trades to it. I've
seen the game.
Speaker 5 (34:49):
Evolve a long way.
Speaker 4 (34:50):
From a long way. Am I happy where the game is?
I love today's game. But then when we get to
talking about behind it, behind the scenes, the cbas and
collect the bargain agreements and stuff like that, I think
this generation has no clue what past we paid for them.
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I really feel they really are uneducated on what we
did for them, you know. And we know what the
players prior to us did for us, you know. And
so I believe if we can some kind of way
keep pushing it and keep pushing it, and keep pushing
it to this generation of an NFL player knows what
we sacrificed and what we did for them to be
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able to go on the stage and be able to
change their families, lives and their lives.
Speaker 5 (35:38):
You know.
Speaker 4 (35:38):
I think that that right there would be my main
goal if I could.
Speaker 1 (35:42):
Ask you your opinion, how do we do that?
Speaker 5 (35:45):
Though?
Speaker 1 (35:45):
Because I don't have the answer.
Speaker 5 (35:47):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (35:48):
But you work with more young people than I do.
Speaker 5 (35:50):
I think.
Speaker 4 (35:52):
I see I think seeing maturations of elite athletes from
the Yay days bringing them to the forefront of right
now in the present, old and young. Like when you
see Alan Iverson being commended for his his his his
stripes and his efforts in the game of basketball, not
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just for the seventy six ers. He changed the culture
of basketball. He changed the culture. I feel like I
changed the culture of football, you know what I'm saying.
And so when these guys.
Speaker 5 (36:22):
Run around.
Speaker 4 (36:24):
And they have swagged, the confidence is booming outside their helmet.
We didn't. We didn't come from that. We brought that
to the table.
Speaker 5 (36:35):
Dion Sanders and Andre Risen.
Speaker 4 (36:37):
Brought something to the table had been brought to the
table the first the minks, the jewelry, the clothes. I
believe that was there because I've watched old film, I
watched old tapes. Those guys dress well, right, but they
didn't make the money we made, right. So now here
we come, we dress how we want. We dressed well
and prime and I always dress well because I looked
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up to Michael Jordan. He's always in and he was
always in a suit. So pretty much predominantly I was
in a suit. But when I get off of work,
I'm in Atlanta, I'm not gonna wear a suit. Twenty
four to seven. So when other players would come to town
and see how we really got down from a fashion
and everything included, it kind of like melted to other programs,
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other organizations and other players. You know, in the off season.
They want to come to Atlanta. They did, They want
to come to Atlanta.
Speaker 1 (37:31):
They still want to go to Atlanta.
Speaker 4 (37:33):
They still want to come to Atlanta. Fast cars, all right,
and everything that comes with the fast cars, no doubt,
everything that comes.
Speaker 5 (37:41):
You know.
Speaker 4 (37:41):
And I know for a fact we set the tone
in that. I know for a fact we set the tone,
you know. And I was fortunate to go to a
city where I was embraced and I was loved by
the community. So I know how my fashion rubbed off
on people. And I think I've seen an interview, just
get off this real quick. I've seen an interview with
Jermaine dupri and he said he was wearing gloves and
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his videos because he watched Dion Sanders wear gloves and
hip hop had crossed over.
Speaker 5 (38:12):
Yeah, hip hop and football had crossed over. And so
do I feel like I'm a pioneer? Damn right? Yeah,
most definitely.
Speaker 1 (38:20):
Yeah. I like that.
Speaker 5 (38:21):
I like that.
Speaker 1 (38:22):
I want to know about it. A little bit. Let's
talk a little bit about retirement.
Speaker 2 (38:25):
When I first got out, I got right into the
broadcasting world room, took a whole year off, sixty five,
took a whole year off, didn't do nothing, didn't watch
his kids, didn't do he didn't shave.
Speaker 1 (38:39):
Just was a.
Speaker 2 (38:39):
Bum've been there the best bumps in the world, though they.
Speaker 1 (38:44):
Were more doug.
Speaker 2 (38:45):
I am kind of exaggerating. Let me let me throw
that out there to the camera. I am exaggerating. He
was with his kids. I'm totally making it up. But
what I want to know is what did you do
or what were those first couple of years like when
you retired and being away from football, how was that
for you?
Speaker 4 (39:02):
Mentally being truthful pee, now that I can speak back
on it, Yeah, that was the first initial of admittance too,
if that's a word, I think.
Speaker 5 (39:19):
That's the word.
Speaker 1 (39:19):
But you said, you said it was you good.
Speaker 5 (39:25):
Depression. Yeah, uh, at full height.
Speaker 4 (39:31):
You know, I've seen this comment after we won the
Super Bowl and Brett had made this comment bred far
my Super Bowl winter quarterback. After we won the Super Bowl,
they asked me how he felt. They said, I was
at a high and then it was instantly right back
to low. And I never forgot that. And so when
I retired in that first year, first several when I retired,
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I would catch myself feeling good. You know, I had
a hell of a career. I believe I'm going to
the Hall of Fame. I was able to help my mom,
help my family, help minis of others. And then all
of a sudden, I would just go flat. I was
flat line, like I'm done, Like I'm done with my
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professional career. What do I move on the next? I
know I'm smart, No, I'm intelligent. No, I can go
work anywhere in the world. But I didn't have to
get up. I didn't have the I got to go
to training camp. I gotta get ready for preseason. I
got to get ready for the season. Then I got
to get ready for the playoffs, and then I got
to get ready to be the man in the Super Bowl.
Speaker 5 (40:38):
I didn't have it. I didn't have the drive.
Speaker 4 (40:41):
Then you started reading all the literature from the medical
parts and the medical ailments that's supposed to come with
the game of football, and so I would wait on
them to come. Rather, it was anxiety, whether it was depression,
whether it was the mental aspect of it. And I'm
glad it came within those first several years because I
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found out how to beat them. I found out how
to deal with them, and then I found out how
to beat them. And then God gave me this beautiful
lady in my life, my wife, and that's when I
was able to be come andre and I'm so thankful
for her, so thankful. But them first years, Ah, even
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to now, when it comes, you know, we could we
could be at the height of the day and that
depression will come at the oddest times. You could be
in church and it'll come, you know, and you just
gotta dissolve it, you know. And I hear other players
I talked, I do a lot of mental health awareness.
I'm on the I'm on the Hall of Fame Mental
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NFL Hall of Fame Mental Health Board. I'm on that
and proud to be on that with Calvin Johnson, Braylen Netwards.
Our company is called SMA. We do a lot of
a lot of speech and talks and fundraisers of that
sort to bring mental health awareness, you know, not to
just football players, but to the whole whole world.
Speaker 1 (42:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (42:12):
Braylan talked about that earlier did really great insights on
Like we always talked about the physical, but.
Speaker 1 (42:19):
The mental part part is huge.
Speaker 3 (42:22):
Yes, not just in sports, but in every aspect for
everybody really just always checking in and doing those things.
Speaker 4 (42:27):
Well, you've got to take care of our kids. Yeah,
and when you find yourself, you know, you don't have
to touch them, you don't have to curse them. And
you still could be abusive. You could be abusive in
your demeanor matter and you don't never, ever ever want
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to do that. And so when I had my four girl,
we had our four girls, I knew guy was talking
to me then he was telling me like, look, you
gotta be that guy.
Speaker 5 (43:00):
This has nothing to do with football.
Speaker 4 (43:02):
No touchdown, no catches. Don't even think about the Hall
of fame. Think about your wife and your kids.
Speaker 5 (43:09):
Yeah, I've been winning.
Speaker 1 (43:10):
We're gonna take a short break and we'll be back.
Speaker 5 (43:12):
In a minute.
Speaker 3 (43:15):
You've dealt with some trauma, like growing up, growing up
in Flint, it's been tough you being the you know,
the the main male in your household into your mother
remarried the stepfather, which I heard an interview on flat TV.
You were like, dude, it took so much stress off
me like I.
Speaker 1 (43:30):
No longer had to be like the man.
Speaker 5 (43:33):
You know.
Speaker 4 (43:34):
It was like you relax, Oh my god, man, and.
Speaker 1 (43:38):
Hold on, I'm gonna finish it.
Speaker 3 (43:39):
And I want you to go about that because I
just I want you to show us, just continue to
shed more light on people that have had trauma. But
things happen in your life where Gods bring people, specially
into your life to really sometimes you don't recognize it.
You know, you talked about your wife, this beautiful lady
that's brought into your life.
Speaker 1 (43:55):
It's really just like I get ease again.
Speaker 5 (43:58):
Oh yeah, oh yeah, yeah. My thing was.
Speaker 4 (44:04):
My mom and I when you raised right, your mom
is your mom, grandma and grandma, you know. But being
the oldest, like you said, living in West Virginia with
a stepdad that you know, abusive and then he gets murdered.
But I had just found out how to love him. Yeah,
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now he's gone. I don't have a real dad. I
don't even know who my dad, you know what I'm
saying stuff like that. So to the extent of I
know who my dad is, Okay, well that means that
dad wasn't around. So you're growing up in that category, right,
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So I got to be the man. I'm ten years
old and I'm the oldest. Stepdad just got murdered and
we moved back to Michigan. So we moved back from
West Virginia. We moved from West Virginia back to Michigan,
and not one man ever came in my mama's house,
you know. And then when she met this one particular guy,
which became my stepfather, it was another blessing, super blessing
(45:11):
because he came with all the intangibles my mom needed,
I need it, my brother needed, my sister needed, and
that's all we needed, you know.
Speaker 5 (45:21):
And we got a big family, huge family.
Speaker 4 (45:25):
But a husband to my mom is something totally different
than a brother to my mom.
Speaker 5 (45:30):
My mom has a.
Speaker 4 (45:31):
Bunch of brothers, right, that's not her husband.
Speaker 5 (45:35):
So when he came, I own eighty acres. We own
eighty acres.
Speaker 4 (45:40):
So to this day, we got our own lake, got
three houses, two barn, studios, all this. But it's just me,
my mom, my brother, and sister. You need somebody up
in here. And so she could have picked Joe, Bob,
a Terry, and I'm so glad she picked a van,
you know, and he came in. He's been in our
lives thirty plus years and I love him to death.
Speaker 5 (46:03):
Man, but he took the sense of security, like.
Speaker 4 (46:07):
Just me being away and wondering if you know, hey,
somebody kicking in the door. They know, you know them,
the risings over there, ain't no man over there. You know,
let's take advantage of it. So you're always thinking that
part of it. You know, my mother, my sister, my brother,
He's still in junior high at that time, and so
that took a lot of pressure off me. Financially. I
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kept doing what I was doing, you know, whatever I
was doing financially as far as helping my mom, I
always continue to continue to do it. That didn't change.
But by him being successful himself and coming in that helped.
Speaker 5 (46:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (46:45):
By him being a real man, a real father, that helped.
You know, by him being studious. He was from la
he was from California.
Speaker 5 (46:57):
That helped.
Speaker 4 (46:58):
Because he wasn't from around there. He wasn't around Flint.
You don't know nobody in Flint.
Speaker 5 (47:02):
That's cool.
Speaker 4 (47:03):
Well, that worked right up my alley and they're together today. Well,
we built the house maybe three years three years ago.
We built the house, my wife and I and it
was coming off of cancer stint. My wife was diagnosed
with breast cancer three and a half years ago, and
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I promised her, I said, Hey, if we get this,
we get this money, I'll build a house. If you're
gonna stay here, I'll build a house. And I wasn't
talking about staying here and staying in Michigan. I was
talking about staying here in life, you know, at that point.
And she did, Thank the Lord, she did. She beat
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it and we immensely started building a house. We got
a beautiful home, built a brand new beautiful home in
ann Arburn, Michigan, and that's where we reside at. And
I wouldn't have never did it if it wasn't for her, Yeah,
I wouldn't. I would have took that money and and
and and bought some crypto, a big coin something, you know,
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but it wouldn't have been no, no nice matching.
Speaker 5 (48:12):
Yeah, for the kids.
Speaker 4 (48:13):
And what she told me that day, it still resonates
with me. You need to put a house over our head.
That's like telling me you're gonna throw the ball to
me on third down.
Speaker 5 (48:29):
You know what I'm saying. It's third and eleven and.
Speaker 4 (48:31):
We're coming to you, you know, And so I took
on that responsibility and I'm so glad. And I don't
throw the mirror up to me too much, but that's
one time I throw it up and be like, I'm
proud of you.
Speaker 1 (48:44):
Yeah, yeah, you know, it's a big thing.
Speaker 5 (48:47):
Yeah, I'm proud of you.
Speaker 1 (48:48):
It's big. It's a big step. A lot of us
don't know how to do that, especially as former players.
When we look.
Speaker 3 (48:54):
Back after our career, it's a lot of blame, for sure,
it's a lot of could have, should have regret. And
so we when you get that time or that chance
or that opportunity to take a step back and like, man,
you did.
Speaker 4 (49:07):
Good, Yeah you did that, we don't we don't get
that you did good away from football.
Speaker 1 (49:16):
Yeah. It's like, for the most part, that's our love language.
Speaker 5 (49:20):
It is it really really because from.
Speaker 2 (49:23):
The time he was a little shorty to you're an
adult and you you're playing football. You know, we received there.
That's a good catch, Hey, good block, Hey that was
a good route. Hey, good job, awesome job. Hey this
you know, like that's that's that's what this is what
we're accustomed to. So when football is taken away or
when you remove football and you don't get that, I
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would say on a daily basis, you kind of miss it.
But I'm like, wrong, my god, I'm glad you. I'm
proud of you for saying that and just recognizing.
Speaker 4 (49:55):
You know, it's like we live in this awesome community, man,
and successful people everywhere walk out the door of success
across the street, down the street, next door. So our
daughters are around that. Yeah, you know, my wife is successful.
So I'm out cutting the grass. I see the companies
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that these people hire to come do landscaping. I'm doing
my landscaping. I'm cutting my grass, you know. And so
that right there in itself is like when I cut
my line. It's like winning the Super Bowl, Like can't
nobody tell me nothing, you know, Like like I'm I'm.
Speaker 5 (50:35):
Crazy with it.
Speaker 4 (50:35):
I'm almost too crazy with it, right and so it's
like I want everybody know I cut my own grass,
I did my own landscaping.
Speaker 1 (50:43):
Proud of I did my own Yeah, you know, I.
Speaker 5 (50:46):
Go scoop up my own dogs poop.
Speaker 1 (50:48):
You know.
Speaker 4 (50:49):
I ain't calling nobody in here to because we have
been catered to our whole life, playing that professional life,
you know, and do I stick to the core of
it though, as far as our teneraries that we've grown
accustomed to the being on time.
Speaker 5 (51:05):
Yeah, but ain't nothing like being retired.
Speaker 3 (51:08):
Man.
Speaker 4 (51:09):
I ain't gonna lie when I tell people to this day.
When I say hey, they say, hey, how you doing it?
Dah da dah. They look at my size first, and
there's no way this guy this size can have more
touchdowns to Mike Irvan and Calvin Johnson, No way, all right,
but I do.
Speaker 5 (51:24):
So this is what I tell him.
Speaker 4 (51:26):
Once I've been retired twenty four years, they give me
the illus evil look like they mad because I've been
retired twenty four years and I still.
Speaker 5 (51:39):
Look like this.
Speaker 4 (51:39):
Yeah, you know, it ain't got nothing to do with
the retirement. It's got to do with the element of
graduating to maturity. Yeah, I've matured. Not that we weren't
mature when we were playing, but we have so much
on our plate while we're playing. Where do you have
time to mature? I swear when these guys get in
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trouble in the National Football League in today's time, I
kind of like can rock with them until they get
in my face to let them know, like straight up,
this is what you're doing. This is what you don't do.
And all them cats that you hang with and used
to hang with, when it's over, you ain't gonna be
hanging with them, and they're not gonna be around.
Speaker 5 (52:23):
I know you guys will know well as I know.
Speaker 4 (52:26):
And if the money get low, they definitely gonna be
They definitely ain't gonna be there. Deuces, they definitely not
gonna be there if you if you need a loan,
they're not gonna be there.
Speaker 5 (52:37):
If you need some help.
Speaker 4 (52:40):
The only help you're gonna get is the help I
love that I got and that was from my family
as far as the mental part of it, my sister,
my mom, my brother, Hey man, you need you need to. Okay,
you're doing all right well to a certain extent that
I die. But when my wife came in, it really
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solidified the whole full circle. Yeah, of retirement, I got
my wife, I got my best friend. Now we built
this family. I ain't trying to like become adjacent.
Speaker 1 (53:13):
You know.
Speaker 4 (53:14):
I'm proud that I played in the National Football League.
I'm very honored to have that opportunity because if it
wasn't a National Football League, a lot of black athletes
wouldn't have been able to change communities across the country.
Speaker 1 (53:32):
Yeah, very true.
Speaker 2 (53:34):
Yeah, all right, so we'll go to a I got
a non football question for you. You know, we we're
in your home state. I was able to go to
and excuse me, not Atlanta. I was able to play
in Chicago for the bocal my career, and then I
went to Carolina with this clown over here. From here,
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made a great name for yourself. Then you go to Atlanta,
make a great name for yourself. Off there, What city
do you claim more Flint, Minnesota?
Speaker 4 (54:07):
You know, blamee Blaine, Misa. That's where my wife from you,
So let me get that off first. Blame brain brand New.
But you know I've I've always said, you know, going
and raised in Flint. Yeah, that's what gave me, going
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and raised in Flint, That's what gave me my my bite. Yeah,
you know, Atlanta will always be from head to toe
with me. I think I did a shout out to
them the other day, earlier today. I'm sorry, earlier today,
I gave a shout out for the NFL Draft, the
whole city Atlanta riding with me. They gave me a
gave me a uh, it ain't a it ain't a birthday,
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but it's a it's a they gave me a day
down there.
Speaker 1 (54:55):
It's a proclamation.
Speaker 2 (54:56):
Proclamation there it is. It's actually November eighteen, remember at.
Speaker 1 (55:02):
One.
Speaker 5 (55:02):
Now, you guys are.
Speaker 1 (55:03):
Good Andre Rise and Appreciation Day.
Speaker 4 (55:07):
You're right, So how can you not say? You know,
that's that's your city, you know, and so I'm very
proud of that. I love I love the people in Atlanta.
Speaker 2 (55:18):
You've had a pretty successful life. Actually, you've had a
very successful life. And what we want to know is
who is on your personal amount rushmore woo you get full.
Speaker 5 (55:31):
Up, get four of them. I feel like I'm back
on the feud.
Speaker 1 (55:35):
I gotta hit the button.
Speaker 5 (55:36):
Hit the button all right, connected the football and just.
Speaker 1 (55:40):
No, just in life and life, just in life.
Speaker 2 (55:42):
How the people that have helped you get to today.
Speaker 5 (55:46):
So we won't in glue moms.
Speaker 1 (55:47):
You get in clue moms if you want to. It's
slowly customize up to.
Speaker 4 (55:50):
You because everybody, you know, we throw mom out there
a shap okay, the dads don't get enough the dad,
you know, only dad, we really know. The national scene
was serending them dad yeah and.
Speaker 1 (56:03):
Then uh from full house.
Speaker 4 (56:06):
Yeah from fully up from Full House, the only one
we've seen. Carl Wins love Carl Wins, that's it. So
I would say definitely.
Speaker 5 (56:17):
My granddad.
Speaker 4 (56:18):
Yeah, And if anybody knows me, I grew up in
the house with my grandfather. I sat there and watched
baseball games, all the Tiger games, all the Lions games.
I sat and listened to all the games on the radio.
That's how I really learned how to play, by visualizing
listening to the radio, and I learned how to play.
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I never watched Monday Night football because I had to
go to bed at nine. So I would say my grandfather.
See when you don't have a dad dog. My dad
became doctor Charles Tucker, my agent, my representation. He represented
Magic Johnson, I said, Thomas Dominique Wilkins, Carl Banks, young
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list goes on, Steve Smith, the Great Steve Smith. I
would say my granddad, doctor Tucker. Definitely my grandmother. She
gave me my heart to give beg given person, taught
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me how to be a shepherd.
Speaker 5 (57:28):
God time, long time ago.
Speaker 4 (57:33):
So my grandparents, doctor Tucker, my mom and my wife
and all my kids surrounding it. Yeah, yeah, my mom
and my wife. Yeah, my grandparents, doctor Tucker, my mom,
and my wife.
Speaker 5 (57:52):
I love it.
Speaker 3 (57:54):
Now true or false? And then I'm gonna hit you
with the real question because I know we ain't got
what so far. Now it is rumored allegedly, I'm coming
back that you uh, that you have owned thirty four bens,
eight Ferraris, fourteen BMW's, twenty trucks, and eight porches.
Speaker 5 (58:19):
You are the winner.
Speaker 3 (58:22):
I mean, if you were the exact reason why everybody's like, oh,
you gotta be smart scared about this.
Speaker 1 (58:30):
I'm like, no, I want to be like Andre Rison.
Speaker 4 (58:32):
I Oh, trust me. I've had many say that rises
as long as they end up like this in the end,
you gotta end up. You gotta end up like this
in the end. Okay, you got to get the acreage first,
got it. I bought the eighty acres and still own
it to this day. Love it, you know what I'm saying. Yeah,
so no matter what I did in between, I can
go lay my little black button down and go to sleep.
Speaker 1 (58:55):
Right, Yeah, so so true, true, definitely true. Right. I
like it?
Speaker 3 (59:01):
And where do you You hinted at it earlier, but
I want to know how really it is. Where do
you place yourself, Andre Risen on the pantheon of all
time great wide receivers because you played during where we
had about six of them.
Speaker 5 (59:19):
Yeah, name your six first.
Speaker 3 (59:22):
I couldn't name six better than you when you played now,
because stats matter, I would always.
Speaker 5 (59:29):
Go with Jay Rice for sure, for sure.
Speaker 3 (59:32):
And then after that, Terrell Owens is somewhere in there
too because he put up numbers two for sure. And
then at that we can have a discussion.
Speaker 5 (59:40):
And I appreciate that. Yes, I really do.
Speaker 1 (59:43):
A lot of people like throw Randy Moss out there.
Speaker 4 (59:45):
Yeah, but being professional football players like us three, yeah,
we know what that film says.
Speaker 5 (59:52):
No doubt they watched TV.
Speaker 1 (59:55):
They also they have better quarterbacks than you.
Speaker 4 (59:57):
Right right, And that's another one. But I'm going into
what the average fancies. Yes, the average fancies TV. We
see the film, so who they might think that's great.
If you watch them for a full fifty plays, forty plays,
you might beg to differ. You're seeing the four completions
(01:00:17):
in the two touchdowns, but if you would have seen
him not block, not block, not give effort, not cross
the field, that attitude with his teammates here or there,
here there, whatever, those are all kept over here, which
they should be.
Speaker 5 (01:00:35):
Now, if you're a super fan, you might be able
to see through that.
Speaker 4 (01:00:38):
And that's being able to say, Okay, well, I'm gonna
take what the commentator is saying about Randy Moss and
so I'm not gonna put him in front of the
great point somebody I got you. Okay, well Tyo, Well,
I'm not gonna tell you Toyo has to ever won
a super Bowl, so we don't put it in super
bowls because Randy never won a super Bowl either. Right,
(01:01:00):
then you say, well, Calvin Johnson gets to go to
the Hall of Fame and he ain't want a playoff game?
Speaker 5 (01:01:07):
Maybe right?
Speaker 1 (01:01:08):
Did he play ten years or is it just nine?
Speaker 5 (01:01:10):
It might be nine?
Speaker 4 (01:01:12):
And here I go sitting there with more touchdowns and
all this stuff. And I got more touchdowns than Michael Irvin.
And I plan the division with Jerry Rice, so I
see him twice a year. I do things that he
can't do. It ain't nothing Jerry Rice can do that
I can't do. There's a difference between that quarterback position.
Now that's Joe Montana. No disrespect to the ones I
(01:01:36):
play with, the fifty that I played with, Right, but
that's Joe Montana point. So Joe steps out hill comes
Steve Young. I never played with a guy like to
Steve Young, right, So when I look at it, I
look at it as though if I could cover you,
because really I was a defensive back. I never played
wide receiver in my life. I got to put it
(01:01:57):
wide receiver in college. So my thing is, when I
look at the top receivers, if I feel like I
can check you, there's no way I'm gonna put you
in front of me, because I know you can't check me.
Jerry Rice can check me if he tried three times.
None of them guys can check me. You have to
go to some old school guys that can get wiggly
(01:02:18):
and can shift, that will shifty dbs, that can move
left right, all that good stuff. So when I look
at it, I compare all I compile all that information,
all that data they called it, they call it what
they call it analytics now.
Speaker 1 (01:02:30):
And so.
Speaker 5 (01:02:33):
I'm the greatest receiver to play there.
Speaker 1 (01:02:35):
It is there, it is. I like it, the greatest
of all time.
Speaker 5 (01:02:38):
Of all time.
Speaker 4 (01:02:43):
How many Pro Bowls do you have to go to
before your perennial Pro Bowl? To five straight? I don't
need to go to Joe Montowna is not even playing
in them. The quarterbacks not even playing. It's certain players
pulling out of the Pro Bowl. So okay, well how
many times I make All Pro? All you need to
do is make All Pro once and you're All Pro? Right, Okay?
Speaker 5 (01:03:00):
So then okay, well super Bowls.
Speaker 4 (01:03:02):
I'm like, man, I ain't never gonna get a chance
to win the Super Bowl if I don't get with
a team.
Speaker 5 (01:03:08):
With other great players on it. That you know.
Speaker 4 (01:03:11):
And the first time I got with one, we won it.
That was the Green Bay Packers, and I didn't wait.
I might have scored every playoff game. Then went into
the Super Bowl. The first drive, first pass, touchdown. It
was easy, right, So I'm thinking, like, I know now
I'm the best to play the game. Well I catch
(01:03:32):
Jerry Rice's stats, No, nobody will, right, But I'm on
the best plan.
Speaker 5 (01:03:37):
I'm the best.
Speaker 1 (01:03:38):
Like that I am.
Speaker 5 (01:03:39):
I'm the best.
Speaker 4 (01:03:40):
He can beat me rout, running, beat me, catching, beat me,
run after the catch, beat me, just beat beat me, block,
just beat me something. And no, I'm not six four,
I'm not six three. I'm not six two six one.
On Monday nights, Sunday, I'm six foot Monday night, six weeks.
It's got to be some type of elevation though, Monday.
(01:04:00):
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Speaker 5 (01:04:01):
You know that.
Speaker 2 (01:04:04):
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Speaker 5 (01:04:13):
Thank you guys so much. Now when I start mind,
I'm have to have you guys.
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