On the latest NFL Players: Second Acts podcast, Lorenzo Neal, former All-Pro fullback turned broadcaster and businessman, joins Peanut and Roman on the show. Lorenzo starts out sharing how cigarettes are involved in his welcome to the NFL moment. Lorenzo was also known as a world-class wrestler, and Roman shares the story how a teammate found that out the hard way in a restaurant parking lot. Later, Lorenzo discuses what it was like to block for running back greats LaDanian Tomlinson, Corey Dillon, Eddie George, and Mike Alstott. And we hear why Lorenzo credits to his grandmother for his 221-consecutive games played streak. Lorenzo also shares how his life mantra has guided his post-NFL path and led to success in the media and business worlds. All this, and more, in a conversation you won’t want o miss.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
If I wear a negro, I'm throwing at that guy.
If you see a d with a negro, they are
throwing at him immediately. He can't get it ready yet,
He's getting thrown at immediately.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
First from check check check, check, check and point at it.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
They going right at that guy, right at that guy.
No way, no, don't even come up here.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
Thank y'all for listening and tune in. This is Peanuts
Tillman and this is the NFL Player's second Acts podcast.
I got my guy Roman Harper with me with the
Pepto Bismo pink shirt on what's with the flex? There
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time in here. Who's you definitely known for hitting some
weights and other people? And the first infemost When we
get there, let me thank all of our viewers, all
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Speaker 2 (00:59):
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what Peanut, tell a friend there. It is all right, peanut.
Who is our guest? Our next guest? We had a
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couple of day, but who is our next guest. I'm
really looking forward to it because he wore I mean
I wore the same number as him.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
You did well.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
I got to roll my sleeves up because I got
to show y'all I got some guns. And if y'all
listen right now, this next brother is prettick, damn swol.
I'm gonna roll my sleeves up for this intro right now, y'all. Oh,
let him feel them show the biggest muscling own right now.
Seventy this next guy, seventeen years in the league, Yes, sir,
(01:50):
how many seventeen?
Speaker 2 (01:52):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
Seventeen years of the league, four time Pro bowler, three
time All Pro. He is a member of the Pro
Football Hall of Fame All decade two thousands. Team TV
and radio broadcaster, Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome Lorenzo O'Neil
to the shot.
Speaker 4 (02:09):
Yes, sir, you think years, I don't even drive that.
Come on, man, I got lucky. I don't know how
I did it, but I'll tell you right now. I
could let you, Peanut, introduce me anytime, because you gave
me a couple of extra accolades there that I would like,
wish that would happen. I wanted to get in that
HOA Hall of Fame. Aren't there yet, but you know what,
I'd love to be there, So thank.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
You for that. No, I thought, I said the All
Decade team. Yeah, but you definitely all but he wants
that Hall of Fame. I need you. You're gonna manifest. Okay,
let's manifest. I like it. Okay, nobody else to play seventeen.
Let's get it.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
Nobody else has done it with you, all right, low
because you played when it was real, real ball going on.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
What was your first welcome to the NFL moment?
Speaker 4 (02:49):
Well, you got to realize when I get drafted in
ninety three, I go to the Dome patrol Ricky Jackson,
Vawn Johnson, City champ Man, these dudes, I.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
Don't you can realize you got.
Speaker 4 (03:00):
I went to New Orleans and it was like live shock.
And I'm a little California boy at the Fresno State
and I go to New Orleans. You hear me, baby, Yeah,
you know what I'm saying On the date. It's like, hey,
you're going over for a grocery. I'm gonna make groceries.
You gotta make grocery. I gotta go make groceries.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
I ain't nothing. No y'are like what young lady asked me,
you know, I like, can you want a piece of gum? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (03:20):
I'm like, can I answer the question? I'm like, I
mean I was in there. I was in the big
easy Dog, So I mean I got Ricky Jackson pig golf.
You know, you know Frank Warren, all these jumpy gathers.
I mean I had them old heads. I mean and uh,
the brothers had the trophy case.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
You know, the gold.
Speaker 4 (03:40):
I'm like, man, Frank Warren outside on you know, training camp,
it's freaking hot, you know the New Orleans don't break.
He's smoking a cigarette. Cigarette. I'm like, hey, man, you
know it's smoking. It's hot out there. They get out
of my Facebook. I'm like, dudes out there smoking. It's like, dude,
i mean cigare cigarettes. It's like it's crazy. You know
how the league and how it was see those guys
(04:01):
and how they just went about their business and just
tough old men. So I got welcome into the league
by those guys. I remember in training camp in Wisconsin,
Well Cross, Wisconsin. That's where have a training again. Ricky Jackson,
Bon Johnson, those guys they're shooting some dice, playing cards.
So I was like, okay, man, hey, look Brad Musters
the fullback they bring in to Chicago Bears. So he's
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the starter. I'm going to be backing up. But he's hurt,
so his hamstrings hurt. So I'm starting. So I'm the
only fullback of the fullback on the roster. So Von
and those guys shooting cards that night and I'm playing dice.
I'm like, man, let me buy you got some beer
by you guys pizza. Say look, okay tomorrow, look take
it easy on me. I'm the one there.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
So boom.
Speaker 4 (04:39):
I go out there, so boom, first play, we run lead.
I look over at Ricky Okay, Lee Boom, hit me,
knock me on my ass. I'm like, man, I ain't
buying y'all pizza anymore. They welcomed me in. They made
me tough though, Jim Moore and those guys tough.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
It was tough. That's when the league was real. They
oh my, like real, the real two A days.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
I'm like, yes, yes, can I share my first experience
of meeting Lorenzo Nil?
Speaker 2 (05:02):
Please do? All right?
Speaker 1 (05:03):
So yeah, because yeah, we talked about this and all right, Lorenzo,
don't get too scared.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
Okay. So it's in New Orleans, Okay, all.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
Right, I guess you would come in town to visit,
and you were visiting your friend Mike Carney. Carney all right,
crazy Mike Cardiff, Oh crazy, but he loves lifting waights.
Oh yeah, he loves lifting waits. And so Carney played
full back. Yes, and so I guess I don't even
know why you were in town.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
Yeah, I was doing some work in town.
Speaker 4 (05:28):
But Mike Carney call it backdrop to that is, when
he's in college, he contacts me, wants me to train him,
work him out and train him. So me and my
Carney's good friend, so training, Yes, and so he gets drafted.
He gets drafted to the Saints.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
He's there. Yes, I come to town.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
So we're in Destrahan where I live, where Mike Carney lived.
Lorenzo Nills out there. They I mean, I show up
a little bit later. These guys have been hanging out
quote unquote wow probably yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
So so next to. You know, we're outside of bar
They had this place has.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
Some great wings, so I used to go there all
this house called the Up And so next you know,
Mike Carney has this great idea because the Lorenzo Nil
not only is a great football player but also knows some.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
Wrestling wrestling guys.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
And so we're outside in a parking lot and Mike
Carney is going to take this time to challenge the
Lorenzo Nil to put him down, and man, this is
the most entertaining thing. And I'm like, these guys are
really out here, just wrestling in the street, full close,
full close, and Carnee, he's not winning. Not Nathaniel my
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man Low is putting him down time after time after time,
Bob put him down, and I'm like, dude.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
What about the second time Bob put him down again?
Even the third time put him down again.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
I was like, damn, this is like, I mean, this
was like my rookie year, saying it is very young.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
Who was the running back? Was Steckel? Yes? Yes, was
there too. Stecker lived out there too.
Speaker 4 (07:01):
Wouldn't it challenge me? I'm like, dude, I'm my own wrestling.
There's no way you can pin me. In in a minute,
and I'm like, dude, Mike was make number three in
the country opinion a minute. No way, you know, he's
Mike Carney, big boy, like Mike, you can't go a minute.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
He tried a minute. I just got there. I was
just like, what is it doing a Yeah, yeah Carney.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
My full back is getting just done in by Lorenzo
Nil which I was a big fan of. But I mean, hey,
this is my welcome. This is my first time ever
meeting this. Yeah, I'm glad you totally remember that.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
Yes, I was this that's a fly on the wall.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
So two thousand and six was magical for me for
so many reasons. That was here, I was in Chicago.
We ended up going to the super Bowl, ended up losing,
But it was a good season. Yes, I think for you,
I was drafted. You're drafted. It's becose your for all
of us. Yes, you got drafted. We beat y'all NFC
Championship game. We ended up going to a super Bowl.
For you, it was a little bit losing. Why do
you say that because you I mean listen to host
(08:02):
all right, Peptover. So two thousand and six was magical
for you. A different reason that's the year la Danny Tomlinson,
he broke that the single season, yes touchdown touchdown record, right,
how amazing was it or how great was it for blocking?
Speaker 2 (08:20):
Blocking? For him? That season?
Speaker 4 (08:23):
He was absolutely superman without the kate. When you watch
Ladanian Thompson, you guys see I mean, trying to tackle
that guy is you got a better chance chance of
scratching the lines button and a telephone booth. I mean,
he's that magical to be able to play with him,
And here's a guy who's a better person than he
was a player, and just to watch his work ethic
and what he meant to the Chargers organization in the
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National Football League. Breaking that record was unbelievable. Remember playing
against the Denver Broncos and what was a ninety toss man.
We called to play and I have a kickout. I said,
all right, LT get him a hip and don't dip.
Let's ride. So I said, I got you. So we
start to play pitch it out. I see the corner.
The safety comes up and ready to go block him.
Believe it or not, I trip start stumbling. I'm like
trying to get my balance and I'm like, oh my goodness,
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I fall on the play. The safety is right there,
the corners outside. How about LT sit them down, both
of them down, still scores a touchdown. I just jumped
him and to start clapping like I'm the.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
True I got so Yeah.
Speaker 4 (09:19):
When you watch that play where he bro I eat
dust I fall on that play, you supposed to get
one at least one.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
Shoot.
Speaker 3 (09:27):
I wasn't trying to help him out. I was point shaving.
I'm gonna have to I'm gonna have to look that
one up. I had the opportunity to work out with
him in Script's ranch. Okay he had Yeah, he h
Todd Dirky used to have a place called Fitness Question.
I don't know if he worked out there with him. Yeah,
And he used to always tell me he would like
his stiff arm. He was like, yeah, Peanut, one of
my coaches, I think it was when he was when
he was in college. You to say he used to
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hit the rack, the squad rack, and he was like, yeah,
my coaches just make me just ah. He was just
slamming his squad rack every single time, just like sorry
if little baby on. He just hit the squad rack
every single time. And I was just like yo, I
tried it once and like my whole farm and stuff
sorr and I was like, I ain't built like that.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
I'm good. I couldn't do it now.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
I remember I came in the whole meat lt in
the hole and we're playing actually in London in like
two thousand and seven or eight, and literally he spent
off me so clean and middle the huddle, took it
like forty something. I did tackle him like the very
next play though, in the red zone. It like really
felt good about myself in the TFM and no, it
was damn there close if not, but it made me
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feel a lot better because I just missed him for
forty five and then amazing it is. It was it
was like he was there and then he was gone
and he hit like a hop spin like jump spinning
move and I just he wasn't there anymore.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
No, very very talented to.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
His credit that we will give him his flowers and everything,
but we got to give you your flowers too, though,
because that was the same year you made first team
All Pro. Like you you had an unbelievable year that
year as well yourself, so we give credit and we
temper had to him, but you was out there ball
and two doing your thing.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
No question.
Speaker 4 (11:00):
But you look at LT and that's why you could
talk about this guy because when a guy arguably top
five running backs that ever played this game and when
you see the way he just played it, he made
my job. I made All Pro because I had lte
A lot of guys on that team made All Pro
on that team because you had a guy like twenty
one because if he was even, he was leaving. So
it was just amazing. But just that whole process of
playing with that guy, playing with you know, Corey Dillon,
(11:23):
one of another best kept secrets running back Corey Dillon
was most athletic, one of the most athletic big man
that I ever played with.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
I was like, how tall was he too?
Speaker 1 (11:31):
Because he was a tall, big running back six two
sixty three, almost like duce Mcalli's there though.
Speaker 4 (11:36):
He more athletic, yes, And if he would hit you,
I've seen him knock out his safety before. When he
hit him, the guy was out before he hit the ground.
Corey Dillon ran hard, he ran angry. And this is
a guy that that of all the running backs that
were elite, he probably didn't train. He probably was the
guy that trained the least, I mean, and he was
still that amazing. You see when he went up to
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New England and one.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
Crusted, crushed, killing every feeling, running through souls, Oh, taking
the heart, Yes, Sue, it was a monster.
Speaker 4 (12:06):
And you know you look at Eddie George. Another great
black that I blocked for Eddie George was Epito me
of hard work. That's his name next to his name
to be hard work. This guy just over achiever, grinder,
hard work, did everything right. Just a great guy and
a great back. But with Corey Dillon, how he was
able to do it with not training, I mean, wouldn't
touch a weight and still looked like he looked like
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a Greek god was amazing. And then you know my
standing in Tampa Bay blocking for Mike Allstar and Work Done.
We had a backfield called Pony when that was me
and work and then Ryano was me and Mike Allstart.
Just to be able to block for those two guys,
it was a It was absolutely amazing to have that
type of career, being able to block for guys with
that statue. Who just made me look good?
Speaker 1 (12:47):
All right talking about that that type of career. So
eleven straight years you blocked for a one thousand yard rusher.
That's an amazing What does that like? Where do you
rank that at as accomplishments in your career?
Speaker 4 (13:01):
You know what, I loved it? I mean because those
guys appreciated what I did for him. And when you
were played fullback, it's one of the positions that you
have to be selfish. It's not about you. You're not
going to get your name in the lights. You're not
going to you know, be getting touchdowns a lot of touchdowns.
It's just a position that you just go out there
and you have to know what you have to do
in order to let those guys get their name and
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the lights. And know every one of those guys that
we named and talked to talked about those guys appreciated
what I was going to do for them. Even fast
forward one of my last years in the league, the
year in Baltimore went to THEFC Championship. We lost to
the Steelers. They end up end up beating great Arizona
in Arizona. That Arizona year, I remember blocking for a
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guy by the name of ray Rice but leron McCline
was there. Toolron was played fullback. He had nine hundred
and eighty some yards as a fullback, and with the
playoffs he had over a thousand. I think that was
one of the biggest feats for me because here's a
guy that was a fullback and played like a tailback. Well,
you know, had the opportunity but to carry that guy
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over to get him a thousand yards in just the
commitment that it was to do that. But he didn't
get it in the regular season, but playoffs, So you
count that. I like to throw that at everybody. He counted, right,
it's County Lawns, Alabama guy.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
Shout out, shout out, the county high school, county shout out.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
I knew he was doing, was going there. So that
was those guys, man. It was it was. It was
all fun, but it didn't make you feel good.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
All right, So all right, well, let let's put a
little bit more pressure on you. Can you name Thomas
says five but you got eleven years. Can you name
seven of these running backs that you blocked for that
went four thousand?
Speaker 2 (14:41):
Oh? Definitely, LT. All right, LT.
Speaker 4 (14:44):
Eddie, George Eddie, George Corey Dillon. Corey Dillon is a third.
Adrian Morrell, Oh, Adrian, okay, all right, moll was my guy, Mike,
come on, come on, so you know, and uh so
those were if you look at it, so the no, no,
nobody knew it was.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
It was that was im Yeah, and war done doney Yeah,
and then l T was multiple Yeah, yeah, it was easy.
It was the foes. You're right, and you mentioned Laurent already.
I mean job, you know now it's as old as
I am.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
You know, I still you know now and then now,
but didn't you rush for okay, didn't you rush for
a stack?
Speaker 2 (15:23):
No?
Speaker 4 (15:24):
No, I started out in the league leading the league
in rushing. My flast year, I'll started off pe you
do want to see me? You didn't want to see me,
that's what.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
Yeah. First the first two games I was leading. That's
I was done.
Speaker 4 (15:36):
I broke the ink or broke so first two games
played against I think the first game was against the
Oilers of Houston Oilers we had about ninety five. Second
week against the Atlanta Falcons, I broke the first first
run seventy four down the line.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
Yeah. When seventy four, nobody came and ran me down.
That's old school. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's the old school.
Oh yeah, oh yeah, oh yeah, oh Yeah, that's you.
Speaker 4 (15:55):
Didn't want to fall, right, that's why you ran so
hard right that that.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
Term you come on dog? You know how? Oh oh god?
What the old Metro.
Speaker 3 (16:05):
I'm dating myself now that I am played the old Metro?
Do I did one year?
Speaker 2 (16:10):
Oh my god? Was trash track bailed down? Trash got
that big strawberry? Yes? How about the Steelers old Stadium?
I didn't get to play in that one? Okay?
Speaker 4 (16:18):
You know who sucked to the Raiders that falling on
that grass and you never because they played baseball.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
Yeah, I've been in there out the fall. The dirt
was terrible. Nobody wanted to go over there, nobody.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
Nobody want to go get this first out. Let me
need the grass. Just act like you're steal. Nobody would
get an extra three hours, right, nobody would have that
is great? Oh my god, I hated that so glad
they yeah, oh.
Speaker 3 (16:45):
We're gonna take a short break and we'll be right back.
So I got I got one for you. The era
that you played in seventeen years. The mentality, what mentality
did you have to be in to block the way
you blocked back in that day? Because today we really
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don't see a full back used anymore. No, No, they
call him an age. They call it yeah, like it's
it's the game's completely changed, and your style of play
and what you've done, Like, what mentality did you bring
into a game?
Speaker 2 (17:16):
Well, it was me. It's simple.
Speaker 4 (17:18):
My grandmother, I mean, she's ninety seven when she died,
name was Viola. My grandfather's name was Oliver. He was
ninety four when he died. They came from Fort Worth,
Texas with six of my brothers. My uncle Joe wasn't
born yet, so they came on the back of a
truck from Fort Worth to California. They were sharecroppers, and
so I remember my grandmother. I was just got named
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California after of the Year, Valley Player of the Year.
They Janet Evan, they said, Janets the Queen, Lorenzo's the King.
I beat up Quincy Watts, Curtis Conway, all those guys
for one one athletic player in whole state of California.
And my grandma said, come here and sit down. I
want to talk to you. And she had old beat
up station wagon. She says, don't worry, son, I ain't
gonna give you that station wagon. I said, thank God,
because I didn't want.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
That is that bad?
Speaker 4 (17:57):
And so she just told me the story about how
she came from Texas and she was a supervisor and
she chopped cotton. After you chopped cotton, you pecket in bags.
She was over like twenty thirty people. She was pregned
with my uncle Joe Wednesday night. She went in labor Thursday,
you know, had him Friday, she went back to work.
She because, then I said, Grandma, why didn't you just
take off Saturday and Sunday? You already you know, you
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was already gonna be off of Saturday and Sunday. Why
didn't you just not take come in Friday and just
act one more day? And she said, because over twenty people.
And I didn't want the boss to know that. She said, so,
never take a boss. Never take a vacation. When the
boss is around, they'll realize how much they don't need you.
I didn't get that when I was in high school.
Later on in my career, they say, you know, you
can't make the can't make the club and the tub.
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So what she was trying to tell me, never take
a vacation from the boss. I knew that I had
to make myself, you know, not replaceable. I knew that
I had even when I was hurt. Next heard all
those things, the word a cowboy called. I knew that
I had to play this position because you knew the
full back position. You only get a certain a mount
of plays. Usual they want to spread out, go nickel
and dime and you know, twelve personnel and you know,
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and don't go twenty one personnel. So it wasn't it
meant something? So when I get on that field, it
was about I am going to impose my will on
every single linebacker, every single safety that I see. I'm
going to because I'm gonna make these coaches play me.
So that's what I drove me to play the game
as hard as I could for seventeen years. It's like,
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now I'm gonna show them that, no, you ain't gonna
replace me. I'm not going to take a break and
I'm gonna try to run through you. I mean, you
lead me right into my question, and that is how
much pride do you take? Clearly you take pride in
your work. Hearing the story about from your grandmother coming
from Fort Worth that you played in two hundred and
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twenty one consecutive games without missing. Like, that's a long
time long to play the position that you played, to
play through injuries and all that consecutively and continue to
show your will upon your opponents.
Speaker 2 (19:59):
Yeah, it was tough.
Speaker 4 (20:00):
There were some games then I didn't know. I mean,
miss maybe Wednesday, and like we rarely could limp through practice,
but like, hey, coach, you're gonna gonna hold out, No,
I'm playing. You have to have that determination.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
It was tough.
Speaker 4 (20:12):
It was really tough, and it was really hard to
make it that long, those many games. And the only
reason I didn't after that because I broke my ankle
against the Titans. I remember that game. So I was
missed four weeks and came back and that's when broke
the streak.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
Hello, you missed four weeks? Yeah, with a broken ankle.
Speaker 4 (20:28):
Yeah, broke the table and non way bearing bone in
the leg and uh like a fibula. Yeah, And then
they went in, put boat, put screws in it. I
broke my fible in high schools shut out four weeks later. Baby,
let's go, let's do let's go, coach, put me in
the game.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
I'm glad I'm not in that group, like I don't
want that. Yeah, I don't want that. I'm good. It
is a non way baron bone though you learned a
lot about it. Yes, yes you do. I'm okay not
being in that club. It's cool.
Speaker 4 (20:58):
So you're too pretty you never got got get out
of the way, or never got never beat up pretty bad.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
Or no I got beat up.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
Okay, I'm just asking don bro come on now, I'm
almost a thousand tackles okay, okay, corners you know, y.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
Yes, Okay, I'm different, Okay, I'm different. Okay, y'all didn't
want death smoke.
Speaker 3 (21:17):
Almost a thousand tackles as a corner. Okay, almost a thousand.
That means So I want to know this all right
now since we're checking out tough, we y'all?
Speaker 2 (21:25):
Are I know this? Like?
Speaker 1 (21:30):
Do you think you would have played twenty years in
today's game where they can no longer cut the guys
coming at them?
Speaker 2 (21:37):
Oh, because there's no way I would have took you
up high?
Speaker 1 (21:39):
You're already sure you got the low center you You
would probably destroy people.
Speaker 4 (21:45):
Now, my guys linebackers would come in and cut me corner,
they take my legs out o me and you oh,
you know.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
What I'm saying, because nowadays, you they can't.
Speaker 1 (21:57):
Every time nobody could, Like defenders, I'm like, there's no
way I want to take on a set of edge.
Speaker 3 (22:03):
No Francisco, how they said it. No, they bring the
tackle and they bring him in motion.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
Oh yeah yeah, william T.
Speaker 4 (22:11):
Full speed and they ain't got it. No pole corner, yeah, pole,
coney hole coney. They don't want that smoke. No, they
don't want to smoke. Don't want that smoke.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
I played a long time, you know what I mean,
Like you played seventeen, but you probably played twenty one.
Speaker 4 (22:26):
Yeah, at least twenty because you I think I took
at least two years off my career.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
In training camp, yeah, I mean we had freaking Jim
Moore was tough, yes, playoffs. I mean you had a
guy he told me like how tough his trading caps
were man twice a day. I mean, full pads nine
on seven goal line.
Speaker 4 (22:48):
This is I mean, Jim Mortan care bro and then
old school and then I went Jets, but Bill Parcells.
So I mean I had these old school coaches that
Marty swon. I had coaches that, Okay, we're gonna make
this thing. This party Ball, Marty Ball, Market Ball. Yeah,
I think I would have got at least I'd say
two more.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
Yeah, because I just thought about it, because you know,
with guys no longer being able to go low on blockers, right,
I think I'm I mean right, yeah, yeah, I got
two more.
Speaker 3 (23:22):
Okay, So you and I got something in common. Uh,
pro bowls you made them. Mind, mine came pretty late
and later in my career, yours came late.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
Why do you think it?
Speaker 3 (23:32):
Why do you think it took so long for you
to get your first pro ball?
Speaker 2 (23:36):
You know what?
Speaker 4 (23:37):
I don't know, because I was like, it was I
tell you what it was. It was pretty upset. I
was disappointed.
Speaker 3 (23:43):
Like you know, you you know how it is, Broa,
You go out there, you ball, You're just like, all right, yeah,
it's I got yours. I got this, I got that.
My guy i'm blocking for he has this. I got
the picks, I got the tackles, I got the force fumbles.
Oh yeah, for sure, I'm going in. And then you
coach he reads it and it's like if you don't
get caught.
Speaker 4 (23:58):
You're like what you don't but you don't say nothing, right,
You're just like mag deal. But you know, you just pissed.
The next season, You're like, I'm a member. And then
the thing about it is like, I think it's a
let's be real popular everybody all day. Every guys is
just gonna get that. And I was like, man, are
you kidding me? I said, Okay, I remember I go
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out there playing against the linebackers. I said, are you
to vote for me a Pro Bowl?
Speaker 2 (24:23):
Boom?
Speaker 1 (24:23):
I mean I would be telling them that on the field. No, no, no,
I'm telling you because it's them, They're the ones that eroded.
This is what you guys want to do. I wouldn't
ask to kill spikes ask them. I'm like, man, I'm
gonna worry you ab out today. I'm judged the jury.
I'm find you guilty today.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
Man, Bro, Yeah, hould up, that's that's the one I say.
Want that smoke? Man. You know they dogged you.
Speaker 4 (24:45):
Bro. You know at least three a couple you knew
you you was there. I think they need to do
not do away with the Pro Bowl.
Speaker 3 (24:53):
I gotta do something with it as far as how
they vote, because I think Antonine Winfield Junior made All Pro.
He's the first team All Pro and make a Pro Bowl. Yes,
like how do you how does that even?
Speaker 1 (25:06):
And look, man, I had some of my best years
and I didn't go to the Pro Bowl well and
it was like, oh well maybe he was too dirty
and but you know, and then your GM comes over
You're like, hey, look we look at this one stat
who's maybe impacted more, made more impact, like you led
the league in this, this, this, and I'm just like,
you know what, that doesn't absolutely nothing nothing for me
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right now right the Pro Bowl?
Speaker 2 (25:30):
Okay? And so yes, it is very diff wanted to
your resume. Yes, and it's pretty fun to go over
to Hawaiian have fun. Yes, Yes, do you go to Hawaii? Baby,
let's go? Yes?
Speaker 1 (25:41):
What Yeah, and make sure nobody else knows what room
you're staying in, because the best real put that stuff
on your room.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
I lot every time, Yet every time.
Speaker 4 (25:52):
No one knew a room. I was, Oh, man, I
was John White. No, no, no, seriously, bro, I already
got my name out. What Actually the guy a Rebok,
that's his.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
Name, remember John? He was?
Speaker 4 (26:03):
And I was like, I used his name. He's like,
you're using my name. I didn't even know it's hitting
with reb Yeah, but yeah, get your room.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
The guys.
Speaker 4 (26:10):
See, guys build three thousand, no doubt, thirty thousand bucks.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
Oh for all that that don't know, that is a
whole deal, especially old school guys. That was like a
whole deal when hazing and all that stuff was very prevalent.
Speaker 4 (26:22):
And Peyton was the best. Hayden get the rookies. Hey man, man,
you're a good receiver. What you got when we're you're
on your deal, Hey man, let's grasp some dinner. I'm
gonna call you. I'm gonna call you man and paple Grass.
Peyton was set them up so cold. Peyton was the
coldest at setting guys up.
Speaker 3 (26:39):
And I'm sure that that receiver was like dang, yeah, exactly.
He's really giving me some sound advice. Hayton, Man, how
could I.
Speaker 4 (26:48):
Never went to dinner with me? Yeah, just drunk with
him at the pool before he knew it. He I
see guys crying, Bill, I didn't do this.
Speaker 2 (26:57):
I didn't do this.
Speaker 3 (26:58):
Then they get Fox one time. I think they got Fox.
I think they got Fox with like I'm doing.
Speaker 2 (27:02):
I was like.
Speaker 3 (27:03):
Fifteen fifteen g's so I believe it from everybody just
racking stuff up on his hotel room.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
Oh my God.
Speaker 1 (27:09):
All right, So tell me what type of mentality? Well
you already talked about the mentality, but how much pride
did you take in making three straight probos at the
age of what is it, thirty five, thirty six, and
thirty seven? Yeah, coming late in your later on in
your career, Like, how did you get to that point?
And what type of pride do you take in that? Now?
Because we talked about making pro bos, I mean you
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probably wanted them more in your twenties. Sure, well, you
probably could have enjoyed it a little bit more. I'm
not saying you didn't enjoy that in your thirties, but twenties.
You know we are mentality wise, right right? Well, I
just think that anything you do in life, you got
to keep working. And PID tell you it's just like, man,
you missed a couple and you're like, man, okay, is
it ever going to happen? And you start to wonder.
I remember in Tennessee, I made All Pro All Joe team,
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all those teams, and I didn't make the Pro Bowl,
And it was like so frustrating.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
The one thing that's holding you back, the one thing
that's like you want.
Speaker 4 (28:00):
Exactly exactly and so it's crazy because if you work
and you continue to work, and no matter what you
do in anything in life. I mean, I do real
estate now and do a bunch of stuff, and I
miss some deals, but I'll get a deal. I'll put
in four or five offers on a house and it's like, man,
am I gonna when? Am I gonna get one? And
all of a sudden the one that I wanted, sweet
deal comes in, and it's like, but you got to
stay consistent. You have to stay the plan. You have
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to stay the course. You can't deviate. And that's what
and I tell people all the time, working will wishing won't.
The will to win means nothing without the will to prepare.
You got to be prepared that it's going to happen.
And that's how That's how I've run my life now.
That's what I did when I was playing and believe
it or not, two and fourteen two and fourteen Pro
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Bowl really Cincinnati Bingals first only player on the team
made the Pro Bowl to and fourteen Pro So that
was the first Pro Bowl that I went to on
the worst team and on the worst team in the
league that I play. Because people recognize what you were
bringing to the table only Bengal that made it so.
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It's just the consistency is to say, I'm not gonna
quit and if it is to be, it's up to me.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
That's it.
Speaker 4 (29:08):
I look at myself in the mirror and my dad
Grandma said like, hey, look, Dad always said, man, Son,
it's gonna be up to me, and he tell me
get up in the morning, look at yourself in the
mirror and say, if it is to be, it's up
to me. And I just you live by that every day,
even when they have the bad days, because man, life
don't go what you want. Life don't go the way
you plan it. It doesn't happen. You got to have
that determination, You got to have that will power. You
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got to be able to look and say, man, yesterday's history,
tomorrow's a mystery, today's a present. It's a gift lived
in it. And people don't take advantage of those opportunities, right.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
And the crazy though, once you shout out to Kung
Fu Panda, that was my paper my little girls, Yeah
said that Kong Flu Panda. Do I get that's the bro? Sorry,
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he was good, he was great. Thomas. I'm just in
here trying to ask some questions. I'm sorry, he's talking
about Confrapanda. That's like Rome start time. I'm in the
middle of a question and he he just cuts me.
Speaker 3 (30:13):
Off, and I'm like, okay, I don't I'm bad dog.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
Yeah, I got excited. Yes, he gonna do it again. No,
he do it all the time. I just gotta all right.
I just let him. Let him do his thing. You
know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (30:28):
You like that pit bull with the with the no
no collar, and you just do your own thing.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
I just let you do it. Thank you. I just
let you do it. Thank you. I was gonna say, once.
Speaker 3 (30:35):
You got the first Pro Bowl, the other the other
two three, they just kind of they just they just flowed, right.
People recognize your game and your game in the process. Yes,
that's all I mean.
Speaker 1 (30:47):
Well, Sean Payton used to always say, how you know,
your first Pro Bowl usually comes after your really good year.
You usually don't make it on your first time having
a big year, and then it usually comes after that.
And then once you get one, you'll get two in three,
and you'll probably go to one that you don't even
deserve at the end, like somebody will. You'll usually get
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in once you become a Pro Bowl guy at the
end of your career, or one year when you probably
don't deserve it over another kid that's in their first
really big year, and you'll get in over them.
Speaker 4 (31:17):
So that's how the NFL kind of keeps it. It does,
it does, but you know, and I'll take it. I'll
take it for all the years. Yeah, for all the
years they didn't get us right, I'm getting back.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
You see this guy.
Speaker 4 (31:28):
See this guy throw that, throw that salt. There's probably
some years you should have been No, no, it's not
bro I say, man, we heard every bro pte. I
see how you pee rough?
Speaker 2 (31:38):
I see he is. He slided him in there. Lightweight, lightweight,
turn it real quick. That was good.
Speaker 4 (31:48):
How you set that up though, brohprinkling in there.
Speaker 3 (31:52):
So let's talk about this neck roll. Oh, Safeties notorious
for wearing neck rolls. Linebackers notorious necks. You never wore
one heavy? Hell, okay, my bad was not offensive. If
I wear a negro, I'm throwing at that guy. If
you see a DV with a.
Speaker 5 (32:10):
Negro throwing at him immediately, he can't get it ready yet.
He is getting thrown at immediately. First from check check check, chack, check,
and point at it.
Speaker 2 (32:24):
They going right at that guy, right at that guy.
Speaker 6 (32:28):
No way, don't even come over here, I guess my
So for those listening and if you're watching, the negro
was like, literally it's just like a it looks like
a white towel that you literally put behind your neck
and you had some shoe strings and it's.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
Just no doubt it wove in. Did it really help
you when you wore it? I would I want the
cowboy collar later on you I wouldn't the negro straight
straight one?
Speaker 4 (32:56):
Yeah, like like becd I'd be cocks. I had the
cowboy it's a car. It's like a cowboy caller. So
it's kind of like, you know, have the dogs got
those callers on when they get this when they can
the okay, so it doesn't go around.
Speaker 2 (33:08):
You, Yeah, just go in.
Speaker 4 (33:10):
D's right here, so it goes all away. And it
kept that big rock. That was my money maker. This
right here was a money maker. I'm coming downhill, So.
Speaker 2 (33:16):
You had to win eighty cone. Yeah, yes, I guess
the next roll don't work as good as that.
Speaker 4 (33:21):
Back in the day, I used to you know, a
d Eric Dickinson term on the next Rod because he's
you know, Eric Dicks twenty nine.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
To run pretty, he run pretty.
Speaker 4 (33:29):
Now, used to try to break out like he man down.
I'll get right because that's pretty. No, No, because I
was running pretty. You gotta get ugly to run. Sometimes
you try to run like d could do it like this,
Yeah he was. I used to get out like that
on Man coming again. But if I get if I
get that little buck to it, Okay, cancel Christmas.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
I'm going that's the Adrian Peterson a Peters he does. Yeah. Yeah,
when that heir go to Bob and it's a right,
it's a round. There you go. That's a Christmas. We're
gonna take a short break and we'll be right back. Okay.
So I love this.
Speaker 1 (34:06):
I mean we've never actually talked about neck rolls on
this show. This is really good. This is really good. Also,
the difference between the cowboy Tyler the board. Yes, the
board was a big thing. Derrick Brooks was another guy,
was a board guy. B Cox was a board guy
and on the board guy. Now you can't the only Matt.
You can't look back as much. It stops you, It
really stops you. You know, impede your you know, range
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of motion big time. Yeah, So that's tough. And the
reason why I knew I wasn't getting the ball, so man,
you know, I just didn't a little you know, ran man,
you know, so I that's rugger, man, because I just
I'd go and then when I get done, I'd squat
and boom, just jump right into him. I'd headshot.
Speaker 4 (34:51):
I couldn't play in this game now because I leave
with my head I'd run and I get close and
I just you know, I'm already short, like you said,
and then I just dropped my hips running, dropped boom
and explode.
Speaker 2 (35:00):
The boom Yeah ah quick, yes, sir. Explos and feeling.
Speaker 3 (35:06):
Yeah, the way you're describing it, I mean, and as
he's looking us up like I'm like, okay, yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:11):
I'm not saying I was looking, but his chest popped
really hard.
Speaker 1 (35:13):
Yeah yeah, I was like, whoa, I wasn't hello, yeah,
I wasn't looking, but all right, right, right, yeah, you
know that's it.
Speaker 5 (35:24):
That was it.
Speaker 3 (35:25):
I think we played y'all in four oh three or
something like that, probably my Rooki year. I think we
had like it was a talls or something like that.
On my side, I got that business I have was
a corner and played cover two and I had to
you know, hammer everything back inside to the to my defense,
and it didn't end so well for me. That's when
I was like one hundred ninety six pounds. I was
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just frail, just skinny, narrow.
Speaker 2 (35:47):
Y'all put this into in Diego. Yeah, we said, yeah, yes,
got me good.
Speaker 4 (35:51):
You know what I called one of the guys man
because uh, that was one of that that ever that
he thought it was cheap shot.
Speaker 2 (35:58):
But it wasn't. No, I won't a cheap shot. This
was a good old fashioned football. Just the best man won.
Speaker 4 (36:03):
And I know one of you guys blew out his
kne that game. Wasn't me, No, I know, it wasn't you.
It wasn't you know, wasn't you? And god it was
it was h one of the safeties was playing you guys,
and you guys and the coach got really made.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
It might have been what you God forget, it.
Speaker 1 (36:18):
Wasn't Mike Brown. Wasn't Mike Brown did tear his knee
up one year, so that might have been seven. Then
it was seven.
Speaker 2 (36:25):
Yeah it was Mike Brown O seven. We played y'all
in San Diego. Yeah, Mike Brown. I remember Mike be
when the tourists.
Speaker 4 (36:31):
Yeah, I remember call him and said, man, sorry about that.
You know he's uh yeah, I played and I was
like man, I was like, man, Mike Brown, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (36:38):
Yeah, I'm talking about O. Three y'all played. Oh yeah,
I think it was three y'all played us in Chicago,
and uh yeah. He gave me the business man. Sometimes
you get the bear. Sometimes the bear get you. There
it is you grats got the bear. Grats all right.
I would have big Bear Thomas when uh, big brown bear.
Speaker 2 (36:57):
All right?
Speaker 1 (36:57):
Lo, when did you know it was time like in
two thousand and nine, when it was time to retire?
Speaker 4 (37:03):
Yeah, you played seventeen. I was that was your seventeen.
I was with the Raiders and I remember going out
to practice and just like just walking out and it's
just different. Things slowed down. You see the young guys
running around. Let's go training camp. You're going My hamstring
was tight, and I remember like going on kickoff and
we would do the drill. You know, you you get
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in front of a guy and the guy's got to
run around. You gotta catch him and set up up
and block. He's running behind you and you got to
turn set the wedge, and so you do that, and
I remember running like, man, can I get there?
Speaker 2 (37:35):
I remember?
Speaker 4 (37:35):
And then I remember playing nine on seven and we
had a toss play and it's like okay, toss crack,
and it's like okay. I looked out there like okay,
I gotta get there. I started thinking instead of reacting.
And you know, you know what I'm saying. You get
to that point where you're like, okay, I'm lining up, boom,
I gotta make my hips.
Speaker 2 (37:53):
Can I do?
Speaker 4 (37:53):
And you start thinking about what you're doing instead of
when we played football, you've always just reacted. And once
that happened, man, I said, oh my goodness, I'm thinking.
I'm thinking out here. I'm still I can still be physical.
I can still, but I have to think about my position.
I got to think about too much instead of just
running up and going reacting. And I was like, okay,
this is it, this is this is you know, you
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just kind of know and you're just like, man, all
good things must come doing in.
Speaker 2 (38:19):
Were you ready to accept it? I was, but I wasn't.
Speaker 4 (38:24):
Sometimes you just do things because you're just you know,
like I said earlier, it's not the crash. You can
said and stop. You don't know what's next. You dibble.
You gotta realize. That's why I talked about. You know,
when I talk to military guys and different things, you
know we're doing. We're talking when to go be a practice,
what time the bus leave, structure, get structure, all that stuff.
When the training camp, when they're eating, who's getting taped,
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Who's what? Same thing in military, live in the barracks,
you're doing boom boom. You're someone, and you're someone in
the military. Boom your commentsary, you're big time, your chief,
your petty officer. You are the man on that base
football boom, you're so when you go to the stadium,
say yeah, you get to go your own. You don't
freaking have to go wait in line, You call your team, call,
you go to doctor, your family, boom, go to the door.
They got it set up. You're someone, You have all
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those things. What happens when you're done, They take that
jersey from you and then you just have your name.
Speaker 2 (39:12):
Who are you? Who are you? And that's those things.
Speaker 4 (39:15):
The guys, it's it's tough because of the fact there's
no there's no succession planned, there's no oh, this is
what you do. Yeah, they'll talk about it, but you're
playing football. You're in your window, and you don't understand,
you don't see what it's like. And then you know, boom.
You go to the stadium, you go to banks, whatever,
they give you what you want, and now a sudden
you're done. It's like, okay, who are you?
Speaker 2 (39:32):
What are you doing? No, you can't get to the
front of the line.
Speaker 4 (39:34):
Oh no, the help? Where's your friends? Where are these
people at it? And all of a sudden you realize
how dark it can be, and you're like, man, who
am i? Where am I going?
Speaker 2 (39:44):
What is my process?
Speaker 4 (39:45):
You're like, man, am I still depending? And now you're like,
because you depending on that structure where to go? And
now you knew if you played a game, and now
you don't have that and who's got you? And now
you don't have those things and it's like, oh my good,
people really don't care. You had coaches, trainers be on you,
and now it's just like if you decided to get
in a hole and crawl up there and die, so
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be it. No one's going to be there. So that way,
I think those are those moments that you're like Okay,
I have to make sure that I have some balance.
Speaker 2 (40:13):
I have to make sure.
Speaker 4 (40:14):
Okay, when am I you know what am I going
to do to make sure that I don't have to
depend on anyone? Because it's tough to go out there
after you've been playing and doing stuffing in Bay, Hey
can I get a job?
Speaker 2 (40:24):
Go?
Speaker 4 (40:24):
I do this, and and you're a grown man playing
a kids game, getting the Kings Ransom, and all of
a sudden you're making millions of dollars and now it's
fifty thousand, sixty thousand, seventy Okay, one hundred if you're lucky.
Speaker 2 (40:35):
It's different. How was it for you those first couple
of years out? It was weird. It was weird to
watch football? You did?
Speaker 4 (40:41):
I think since I was five six years old, I played.
I played football, and Russell so I. Since I was
a kid, I did it. And then you're thirty eight,
thirty nine, and now you make that transition. And while
I was playing, I was able to buy some houses
and my buddy Matt and my dad, so I was
buying real estate.
Speaker 2 (40:57):
But it's still I was.
Speaker 4 (40:58):
I was still off season. I'll go home and work
on but it's still I knew that. I only did
that for three or four months and then I was
gone back to my job, so you know, so I
was doing that. So it was just and then once
I got out, I was like, Okay, I'm working on
the houses off season, Okay, seasons start, I'm still working
in these houses.
Speaker 2 (41:15):
I'm still you know, doing other things. And it's like
it was just different.
Speaker 4 (41:19):
And so I started getting in the radio and doing
some TV in the Bay and working with the Niners
Raiders and doing those things. So it was okay, but
you still it's a still avoid. It's still avoid. It's
still avoid because you can't walk in those locker rooms,
think about guys. You're laughing with guys, joking around with guys.
Ok okay, it's it's you know, Tuesday, you know, off day,
Friday or whatever. You go out with the boys. It's
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just a different thing. And if you had a problem
with someone on the field, okay, practice receiver, Okay, let's
go and you do. You go, do your thing, You
get him or he get you corner, whatever it is.
You knew how to squash it or knew how to
handle it on the field. Now you walk into business world,
Oh my god, hey, learn to want you to invest
in this, invest in a restaurant, A good friend of mine.
Speaker 2 (41:58):
Let's do this.
Speaker 4 (41:59):
Oh boom, here's ROI look at the gross multipier, you
look at the things. You start looking at this, Okay,
what's this cost? And all those things, and you start
you're in this extra space. Now you're doing it. Oh,
seven hundred thousand dollars later, you lost. I can't go
kick your ass. I can't go on the football field
and go and take that out on you. It's different.
And now you're in a world where people are sharks.
They're out to get you. You're you know, okay, I'm
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gonna take advantage of it. And if you ain't prepared
for some of those ups and downs, and those those
ups and downs in those walls, it can eat you up.
And I think those were those tough things, and those
are those things that guys you know, have to you
don't have to be prepared for when they leave. This
game is because now you have to realize you're going
out there. You might have a couple bucks in, but
people want it and think that they can get it
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and tell you that the next thing is in sight
spread and they're gonna tell you what you want to
hear and do those things. But you got to that's
when you got to have good people in your corner.
Are how you're gonna vet that? What is the process
in which you developed to say, Okay, I'm not gonna
do that. I'm not gonna do that. I gotta see
this at bad check? That's a bad check? How do
you find that out?
Speaker 2 (42:57):
Who's teaching you?
Speaker 4 (42:58):
Because you take that game of hard knocks, you can't
go back in the league and make three four million again.
Speaker 2 (43:02):
If you lose it, you lose it.
Speaker 3 (43:04):
Yeah, that's a lot. But I think we feel and
understand everything. Yeah, I've lost a little bit. That's why
I'm like, damn, Yeah, you're right.
Speaker 2 (43:15):
I did the same thing. All right, you're right. I
want it. So technically I could have the money that
I lost in that investment. I could have.
Speaker 3 (43:26):
And did what I wanted to do, but I probably
would have got arrested.
Speaker 2 (43:29):
Yeah I wish.
Speaker 1 (43:30):
But he's right, though, I wish I could have just like,
okay this orowe me money and we on this line right.
Speaker 2 (43:35):
So he about to catch these hands. Bro, you don't
want this? Yes, I wish I was like, dude, I'm
with you. And if you win, and you know and
think about it, if you lose, you lose. It's fine,
it's fine. But I don't just do me. Don't just
do me?
Speaker 1 (43:54):
You know what I'm saying, Yes, exactly, you. I know
where my guy lives. I'm just saying I know where
he lives. I haven't done anything.
Speaker 2 (44:06):
What right I got you?
Speaker 4 (44:08):
Yes, I've stopped following that. You don't follow him to
the local supermarket anymore.
Speaker 1 (44:13):
You got a saying you like to use. It says,
don't let your condition dictate your position in life. Yeah,
and how do you use that mentality to propel you
to your success that you've had in your second act
doing some real estate and other things, also sharing your
your stories in the media space.
Speaker 4 (44:30):
Yeah, you know what I think that I tell people,
don't let your condition dictate your position because we all
have come from different places. But is that going to
dictate what we want to really do in life? And
that's what so many people do say, Well, man, this
is my condition. I come from a single family home.
I do this and tell me that it is it
is harder to overcome. And I hate when people say,
well he did it, and some people are built different
(44:52):
and everyone says, oh, well you should, you should look
look at that guy. Where you hear certain guys and
certain people, and I think it's very condescending when I
hear a the visuals say well he made it. You
could be like that guy or do that, and they
don't understand the mindset and they don't understand those other
Maybe that person did make it because they had great coach.
Maybe they had a great other people that surrounded them,
and the other ones didn't. So it's so hard when
(45:14):
I hear that people put people in those boxes like that.
So my thing is like, man, it's about working. It's
about I know where my position where I want to be,
and that's why I continue to work. You know, me
and a couple of buddies, we just invested in a
franchise called Hotworks, you know, and it's like, you know,
open up a you know, the Hot Works gym, gonna
do three of those and it but it took work,
(45:34):
It took commitment. It's been watching this this, this, this
franchise evolved and saying, Okay, how do I get involved
in this? How do those things? So I just look
at it every day. Bro as I'm like, I'm gonna
keep grinding. I'm not going I'm gonna lose. I'm gonna lose,
but I'm gonna keep getting up. Because when you stop
fighting and you stop, then you be able to complace it.
It's so easy to say, Okay, you know what, Hey,
(45:55):
I got thirty properties, you know what? You know I'm
living you know, fifteen twenty grand And it's like, okay,
is that dude? Do you just want to keep existing?
I still got fighting me? I still want to, you know.
And that's where I say, in my position, I want
more and not just me, I want I want it
for my family. I want it for my brothers, my sister.
So it's like I work because I want it. I
(46:16):
want a better life for everyone. Because if you have
everything and your close friends, your family and other ones.
Speaker 2 (46:22):
Don't, how fun it is? How fun is that? It's
not fun?
Speaker 4 (46:25):
It's not fun being around people that you don't really
want to be around because they have it, and you're
doing things that you know that you wouldn't be doing
because you're in that click or in that group, and
you're like, man, I don't how do I bring my friends?
How do I bring the people that I love, And
how do I put them? Don't let their condition dictate
their position? How do I make them rise up in
a position?
Speaker 2 (46:44):
What am I doing? How am I educating myself? What
am I doing?
Speaker 4 (46:47):
Grant writing, doing other stuff? Bringing other people around the
say how do I employ? How do I employ?
Speaker 2 (46:51):
And say?
Speaker 4 (46:51):
Okay, hey, Bud, you know what, hey, just when I'm
paying in thirty thousand taxes and I'm gonna give you
a thirty thousand dollars jobs, So now I'm gonna get
that thirty thousand dollars write off?
Speaker 2 (46:57):
How do I do those things?
Speaker 4 (46:59):
That's saying, Look, you gotta pay him anyway, you're gonna
give it with uncle Sam, So why not give it
to that individual? So now boom that you get in
these right up? There's all kinds of things that you
just got to explored. There's all kinds of things that
we have to do to work. So I just keep
grinding to try to get a better position, not just
for me, but also.
Speaker 2 (47:15):
Those who I love.
Speaker 3 (47:16):
So Rome has like thirty jobs over here working network,
like dude is.
Speaker 2 (47:22):
He's grinding all the time. He is in the media.
Speaker 3 (47:25):
He's got all types of media ventures. I guess My
question to you is what other media ventures do you have?
Are you like my guy right here with twelve jobs,
what are yours?
Speaker 4 (47:35):
I'm the jack of all trades and master from none.
I work for I do the Chargers Believe. I do
the Belief Network, so we're you know, all the Ballet's shows.
So I'm on that. I work for ninety five to
seven a game doing football season. So I do a
two hour show there, posting a pre show and do
some radio there, and then I'm buck in the Bay.
I do work with the Niners. I do some tvkpix,
(47:55):
so I do a TV show there, so.
Speaker 2 (47:57):
And I just he kind of is like me, yeah,
kind of like that. That's why I like, hey, God,
it is Yeah.
Speaker 4 (48:07):
Then I do multi family homes, and I mean commercial
and residential, so I build and buying dirt lots of
flip houses. I just buy and sell flip look at
the house going, put an offer in on and sometimes
stand at the courthouse and bid on it. Sometimes I
get them, sometimes I don't. I developed land. Look at
I have some commercial land. You know that it was
I bought an agriculture. Now it's annexed into the city.
(48:29):
So now it's you know, I went from being aged
now worth commercial, so now you know, value one up.
So yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. Gas stations when
to come. So it's people knocking on the doors and stuff.
So it's it's it's good. It's good to be one.
Speaker 2 (48:42):
Gas stations in Chick fil A's you never don't may
call that part.
Speaker 3 (48:48):
Everybody loved Chick fil A. Everybody loved chick They'll work
on the Sabbath.
Speaker 1 (48:52):
And so it's like gas station Chick fil A in
the publix publics. These these jokers are great. Many Many Storage,
you can't go wrong.
Speaker 4 (49:01):
Oh. Many Storage has the best ROI I'm looking at
I have a piece of land. I'm looking at Many.
But there's a guy in town that it scares me
because there's no overhead. The overhead so long any storage
is a cash Yeah right, my boys, look at Mississippi,
look at some other places.
Speaker 2 (49:17):
Man.
Speaker 1 (49:17):
Mobile homes are really good to Yeah, mobile homes, whether
you provide them or they bring them in exactly, there's
some money out there, brothers.
Speaker 2 (49:24):
Let's go. I'm waiting on y'all. I'm with it. Let's go.
I'm with it.
Speaker 1 (49:28):
I'm with Lorenzo Man this is my last question. Man, sure,
I promise. Okay, Well let's give me too good of
an answer. Then I'm probably gonna jump back in. I'm sorry, Thomas,
like this is me. I love Thomas.
Speaker 2 (49:49):
So it's a man. They were good, but we're good.
How who how?
Speaker 4 (49:53):
Who?
Speaker 2 (49:54):
How how many out? And who've done it? But for
what the question is, who is on.
Speaker 1 (50:01):
Your personal amount rushmore of accomplishment that if poored ins
of you to make Lorenzo Neil who he is? You
got four and you know it's catered to you however
you want to do it. But who's on your mount rush?
Speaker 2 (50:14):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (50:15):
For me watching growing up, I mean my father was
he was a minister and my grandparents preaching kid. Yeah,
it was a PK and I was bad, but a
lot of it. Yeah, you know. Look, Monday was prayer meeting,
Tuesday was Bible study, Wednesday's brotherhood, Thursday was missionaries. Fridays
(50:36):
we had young people. Saturdays sometimes every fourth Saturday had
a Felsh meaning Sunday morning Sunday school, then you had
worship service. Then Sunday night we had young people. Sunday night,
then we had the service after young people. So it
was going to church six days, get it. I remember
telling my grandma said, Grandma, we go to church so much.
I think I just rather go to Hell.
Speaker 2 (51:01):
Isn't too much, don't get it too much? Too much,
I get it. I just want to go ahead too much, Grandma,
just go ahead? Is too much? Satan way behind me, Satan. No.
Speaker 4 (51:19):
But my mom and dad were great role models, you know,
married fifty years, lost my father in two thousand and fifteen, sixteen,
and grandparents many were.
Speaker 2 (51:27):
They were unbelievable.
Speaker 4 (51:29):
I think Muhammad Ali what he did, and you know,
still watching him and growing up watching this guy, you
know fight when he thought Larry Holmes, I cried. I
was a huge boxing guy. Loved it watching you know,
like Ray Leonard. But growing up, I mean as far
as football, believe it or not, was Dan Faux watching
the Chargers. I loved Danny Falux, the way he backpedaled,
in the way that he you know, he had Chuck Munty,
Kellen wins or Charlie joining Westchamn. I was freaking infatuated
(51:52):
with the Chargers. So got to leave my childhood gream
So parents, of course, grandparents and you know, and I
think the biggest thing is just to believe.
Speaker 2 (52:00):
I think the.
Speaker 4 (52:00):
Belief in God, just those those values, the moral values
that you get from your parents, and just about beliefs.
So I think we're all blessed, and sometimes we don't
deserve it, but I believe I just choose to believe
in the higher power. And I think that's the reason
I think that to have success because I try to
treat people well and try to do the things that
i'd want people to do to me.
Speaker 2 (52:21):
But I totally believe it. There it is. I like it.
You're dealing with your questions. Zip nothing, this is great.
Zip follow. I mean, you know, I kind of could.
Speaker 3 (52:31):
I could always say something you could not because Thomas
is yelling in my ear, like, don't let them speak,
shut them up.
Speaker 2 (52:38):
It rap it rap it. It's a rap. It's a rap.
Oh man.
Speaker 3 (52:42):
Look so thank y'all for listening. Thank you all for
tuning low man, I appreciate this great interest. Dog Lorenzo
O'Neil man, This is dope, man, Thank you all for
tuning in. Thank you all for listening. Uh, make sure
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Oh I'm sorry, leave a comment five star rating five
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(53:05):
like follow. Everyone's like talking to me in my ear
and I'm trying to get.
Speaker 2 (53:09):
This without messing on, but totally y'all are killing me
right now.
Speaker 3 (53:13):
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Speaker 2 (53:20):
I'm Peanut.
Speaker 3 (53:21):
That's Ron Pepto Bismo, Peek Harper. That's my guy, Lorenzo O'Neil.
Hey y'all, thank y'all.
Speaker 2 (53:27):
For tuning in. This has been awesome. This is a
great week here in LA.
Speaker 3 (53:31):
We're doing our thing in the studios out here LA
West Coast office.
Speaker 2 (53:35):
Has been a blast. Thank y'all. We out
If I wear a negro, I'm throwing at that guy.
If you see a d with a negro, they are
throwing at him immediately. He can't get it ready yet,
He's getting thrown at immediately.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
First from check check check, check, check and point at it.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
They going right at that guy, right at that guy.
No way, no, don't even come up here.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
Thank y'all for listening and tune in. This is Peanuts
Tillman and this is the NFL Player's second Acts podcast.
I got my guy Roman Harper with me with the
Pepto Bismo pink shirt on what's with the flex? There
(00:49):
we go, I got a because we got a big
time in here. Who's you definitely known for hitting some
weights and other people? And the first infemost When we
get there, let me thank all of our viewers, all
of our listeners out there.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
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Speaker 1 (01:00):
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Who is our guest? Our next guest? We had a
(01:23):
couple of day, but who is our next guest. I'm
really looking forward to it because he wore I mean
I wore the same number as him.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
You did well.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
I got to roll my sleeves up because I got
to show y'all I got some guns. And if y'all
listen right now, this next brother is prettick, damn swol.
I'm gonna roll my sleeves up for this intro right now, y'all. Oh,
let him feel them show the biggest muscling own right now.
Seventy this next guy, seventeen years in the league, Yes, sir,
(01:50):
how many seventeen?
Speaker 2 (01:52):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
Seventeen years of the league, four time Pro bowler, three
time All Pro. He is a member of the Pro
Football Hall of Fame All decade two thousands. Team TV
and radio broadcaster, Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome Lorenzo O'Neil
to the shot.
Speaker 4 (02:09):
Yes, sir, you think years, I don't even drive that.
Come on, man, I got lucky. I don't know how
I did it, but I'll tell you right now. I
could let you, Peanut, introduce me anytime, because you gave
me a couple of extra accolades there that I would like,
wish that would happen. I wanted to get in that
HOA Hall of Fame. Aren't there yet, but you know what,
I'd love to be there, So thank.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
You for that. No, I thought, I said the All
Decade team. Yeah, but you definitely all but he wants
that Hall of Fame. I need you. You're gonna manifest. Okay,
let's manifest. I like it. Okay, nobody else to play seventeen.
Let's get it.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
Nobody else has done it with you, all right, low
because you played when it was real, real ball going on.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
What was your first welcome to the NFL moment?
Speaker 4 (02:49):
Well, you got to realize when I get drafted in
ninety three, I go to the Dome patrol Ricky Jackson,
Vawn Johnson, City champ Man, these dudes, I.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
Don't you can realize you got.
Speaker 4 (03:00):
I went to New Orleans and it was like live shock.
And I'm a little California boy at the Fresno State
and I go to New Orleans. You hear me, baby, Yeah,
you know what I'm saying On the date. It's like, hey,
you're going over for a grocery. I'm gonna make groceries.
You gotta make grocery. I gotta go make groceries.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
I ain't nothing. No y'are like what young lady asked me,
you know, I like, can you want a piece of gum? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (03:20):
I'm like, can I answer the question? I'm like, I
mean I was in there. I was in the big
easy Dog, So I mean I got Ricky Jackson pig golf.
You know, you know Frank Warren, all these jumpy gathers.
I mean I had them old heads. I mean and uh,
the brothers had the trophy case.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
You know, the gold.
Speaker 4 (03:40):
I'm like, man, Frank Warren outside on you know, training camp,
it's freaking hot, you know the New Orleans don't break.
He's smoking a cigarette. Cigarette. I'm like, hey, man, you
know it's smoking. It's hot out there. They get out
of my Facebook. I'm like, dudes out there smoking. It's like, dude,
i mean cigare cigarettes. It's like it's crazy. You know
how the league and how it was see those guys
(04:01):
and how they just went about their business and just
tough old men. So I got welcome into the league
by those guys. I remember in training camp in Wisconsin,
Well Cross, Wisconsin. That's where have a training again. Ricky Jackson,
Bon Johnson, those guys they're shooting some dice, playing cards.
So I was like, okay, man, hey, look Brad Musters
the fullback they bring in to Chicago Bears. So he's
(04:21):
the starter. I'm going to be backing up. But he's hurt,
so his hamstrings hurt. So I'm starting. So I'm the
only fullback of the fullback on the roster. So Von
and those guys shooting cards that night and I'm playing dice.
I'm like, man, let me buy you got some beer
by you guys pizza. Say look, okay tomorrow, look take
it easy on me. I'm the one there.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
So boom.
Speaker 4 (04:39):
I go out there, so boom, first play, we run lead.
I look over at Ricky Okay, Lee Boom, hit me,
knock me on my ass. I'm like, man, I ain't
buying y'all pizza anymore. They welcomed me in. They made
me tough though, Jim Moore and those guys tough.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
It was tough. That's when the league was real. They
oh my, like real, the real two A days.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
I'm like, yes, yes, can I share my first experience
of meeting Lorenzo Nil?
Speaker 2 (05:02):
Please do? All right?
Speaker 1 (05:03):
So yeah, because yeah, we talked about this and all right, Lorenzo,
don't get too scared.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
Okay. So it's in New Orleans, Okay, all.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
Right, I guess you would come in town to visit,
and you were visiting your friend Mike Carney. Carney all right,
crazy Mike Cardiff, Oh crazy, but he loves lifting waights.
Oh yeah, he loves lifting waits. And so Carney played
full back. Yes, and so I guess I don't even
know why you were in town.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
Yeah, I was doing some work in town.
Speaker 4 (05:28):
But Mike Carney call it backdrop to that is, when
he's in college, he contacts me, wants me to train him,
work him out and train him. So me and my
Carney's good friend, so training, Yes, and so he gets drafted.
He gets drafted to the Saints.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
He's there. Yes, I come to town.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
So we're in Destrahan where I live, where Mike Carney lived.
Lorenzo Nills out there. They I mean, I show up
a little bit later. These guys have been hanging out
quote unquote wow probably yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
So so next to. You know, we're outside of bar
They had this place has.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
Some great wings, so I used to go there all
this house called the Up And so next you know,
Mike Carney has this great idea because the Lorenzo Nil
not only is a great football player but also knows some.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
Wrestling wrestling guys.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
And so we're outside in a parking lot and Mike
Carney is going to take this time to challenge the
Lorenzo Nil to put him down, and man, this is
the most entertaining thing. And I'm like, these guys are
really out here, just wrestling in the street, full close,
full close, and Carnee, he's not winning. Not Nathaniel my
(06:32):
man Low is putting him down time after time after time,
Bob put him down, and I'm like, dude.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
What about the second time Bob put him down again?
Even the third time put him down again.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
I was like, damn, this is like, I mean, this
was like my rookie year, saying it is very young.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
Who was the running back? Was Steckel? Yes? Yes, was
there too. Stecker lived out there too.
Speaker 4 (07:01):
Wouldn't it challenge me? I'm like, dude, I'm my own wrestling.
There's no way you can pin me. In in a minute,
and I'm like, dude, Mike was make number three in
the country opinion a minute. No way, you know, he's
Mike Carney, big boy, like Mike, you can't go a minute.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
He tried a minute. I just got there. I was
just like, what is it doing a Yeah, yeah Carney.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
My full back is getting just done in by Lorenzo
Nil which I was a big fan of. But I mean, hey,
this is my welcome. This is my first time ever
meeting this. Yeah, I'm glad you totally remember that.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
Yes, I was this that's a fly on the wall.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
So two thousand and six was magical for me for
so many reasons. That was here, I was in Chicago.
We ended up going to the super Bowl, ended up losing,
But it was a good season. Yes, I think for you,
I was drafted. You're drafted. It's becose your for all
of us. Yes, you got drafted. We beat y'all NFC
Championship game. We ended up going to a super Bowl.
For you, it was a little bit losing. Why do
you say that because you I mean listen to host
(08:02):
all right, Peptover. So two thousand and six was magical
for you. A different reason that's the year la Danny Tomlinson,
he broke that the single season, yes touchdown touchdown record, right,
how amazing was it or how great was it for blocking?
Speaker 2 (08:20):
Blocking? For him? That season?
Speaker 4 (08:23):
He was absolutely superman without the kate. When you watch
Ladanian Thompson, you guys see I mean, trying to tackle
that guy is you got a better chance chance of
scratching the lines button and a telephone booth. I mean,
he's that magical to be able to play with him,
And here's a guy who's a better person than he
was a player, and just to watch his work ethic
and what he meant to the Chargers organization in the
(08:44):
National Football League. Breaking that record was unbelievable. Remember playing
against the Denver Broncos and what was a ninety toss man.
We called to play and I have a kickout. I said,
all right, LT get him a hip and don't dip.
Let's ride. So I said, I got you. So we
start to play pitch it out. I see the corner.
The safety comes up and ready to go block him.
Believe it or not, I trip start stumbling. I'm like
trying to get my balance and I'm like, oh my goodness,
(09:06):
I fall on the play. The safety is right there,
the corners outside. How about LT sit them down, both
of them down, still scores a touchdown. I just jumped
him and to start clapping like I'm the.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
True I got so Yeah.
Speaker 4 (09:19):
When you watch that play where he bro I eat
dust I fall on that play, you supposed to get
one at least one.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
Shoot.
Speaker 3 (09:27):
I wasn't trying to help him out. I was point shaving.
I'm gonna have to I'm gonna have to look that
one up. I had the opportunity to work out with
him in Script's ranch. Okay he had Yeah, he h
Todd Dirky used to have a place called Fitness Question.
I don't know if he worked out there with him. Yeah,
And he used to always tell me he would like
his stiff arm. He was like, yeah, Peanut, one of
my coaches, I think it was when he was when
he was in college. You to say he used to
(09:48):
hit the rack, the squad rack, and he was like, yeah,
my coaches just make me just ah. He was just
slamming his squad rack every single time, just like sorry
if little baby on. He just hit the squad rack
every single time. And I was just like yo, I
tried it once and like my whole farm and stuff
sorr and I was like, I ain't built like that.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
I'm good. I couldn't do it now.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
I remember I came in the whole meat lt in
the hole and we're playing actually in London in like
two thousand and seven or eight, and literally he spent
off me so clean and middle the huddle, took it
like forty something. I did tackle him like the very
next play though, in the red zone. It like really
felt good about myself in the TFM and no, it
was damn there close if not, but it made me
(10:31):
feel a lot better because I just missed him for
forty five and then amazing it is. It was it
was like he was there and then he was gone
and he hit like a hop spin like jump spinning
move and I just he wasn't there anymore.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
No, very very talented to.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
His credit that we will give him his flowers and everything,
but we got to give you your flowers too, though,
because that was the same year you made first team
All Pro. Like you you had an unbelievable year that
year as well yourself, so we give credit and we
temper had to him, but you was out there ball
and two doing your thing.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
No question.
Speaker 4 (11:00):
But you look at LT and that's why you could
talk about this guy because when a guy arguably top
five running backs that ever played this game and when
you see the way he just played it, he made
my job. I made All Pro because I had lte
A lot of guys on that team made All Pro
on that team because you had a guy like twenty
one because if he was even, he was leaving. So
it was just amazing. But just that whole process of
playing with that guy, playing with you know, Corey Dillon,
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one of another best kept secrets running back Corey Dillon
was most athletic, one of the most athletic big man
that I ever played with.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
I was like, how tall was he too?
Speaker 1 (11:31):
Because he was a tall, big running back six two
sixty three, almost like duce Mcalli's there though.
Speaker 4 (11:36):
He more athletic, yes, And if he would hit you,
I've seen him knock out his safety before. When he
hit him, the guy was out before he hit the ground.
Corey Dillon ran hard, he ran angry. And this is
a guy that that of all the running backs that
were elite, he probably didn't train. He probably was the
guy that trained the least, I mean, and he was
still that amazing. You see when he went up to
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New England and one.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
Crusted, crushed, killing every feeling, running through souls, Oh, taking
the heart, Yes, Sue, it was a monster.
Speaker 4 (12:06):
And you know you look at Eddie George. Another great
black that I blocked for Eddie George was Epito me
of hard work. That's his name next to his name
to be hard work. This guy just over achiever, grinder,
hard work, did everything right. Just a great guy and
a great back. But with Corey Dillon, how he was
able to do it with not training, I mean, wouldn't
touch a weight and still looked like he looked like
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a Greek god was amazing. And then you know my
standing in Tampa Bay blocking for Mike Allstar and Work Done.
We had a backfield called Pony when that was me
and work and then Ryano was me and Mike Allstart.
Just to be able to block for those two guys,
it was a It was absolutely amazing to have that
type of career, being able to block for guys with
that statue. Who just made me look good?
Speaker 1 (12:47):
All right talking about that that type of career. So
eleven straight years you blocked for a one thousand yard rusher.
That's an amazing What does that like? Where do you
rank that at as accomplishments in your career?
Speaker 4 (13:01):
You know what, I loved it? I mean because those
guys appreciated what I did for him. And when you
were played fullback, it's one of the positions that you
have to be selfish. It's not about you. You're not
going to get your name in the lights. You're not
going to you know, be getting touchdowns a lot of touchdowns.
It's just a position that you just go out there
and you have to know what you have to do
in order to let those guys get their name and
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the lights. And know every one of those guys that
we named and talked to talked about those guys appreciated
what I was going to do for them. Even fast
forward one of my last years in the league, the
year in Baltimore went to THEFC Championship. We lost to
the Steelers. They end up end up beating great Arizona
in Arizona. That Arizona year, I remember blocking for a
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guy by the name of ray Rice but leron McCline
was there. Toolron was played fullback. He had nine hundred
and eighty some yards as a fullback, and with the
playoffs he had over a thousand. I think that was
one of the biggest feats for me because here's a
guy that was a fullback and played like a tailback. Well,
you know, had the opportunity but to carry that guy
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over to get him a thousand yards in just the
commitment that it was to do that. But he didn't
get it in the regular season, but playoffs, So you
count that. I like to throw that at everybody. He counted, right,
it's County Lawns, Alabama guy.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
Shout out, shout out, the county high school, county shout out.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
I knew he was doing, was going there. So that
was those guys, man. It was it was. It was
all fun, but it didn't make you feel good.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
All right, So all right, well, let let's put a
little bit more pressure on you. Can you name Thomas
says five but you got eleven years. Can you name
seven of these running backs that you blocked for that
went four thousand?
Speaker 2 (14:41):
Oh? Definitely, LT. All right, LT.
Speaker 4 (14:44):
Eddie, George Eddie, George Corey Dillon. Corey Dillon is a third.
Adrian Morrell, Oh, Adrian, okay, all right, moll was my guy, Mike,
come on, come on, so you know, and uh so
those were if you look at it, so the no, no,
nobody knew it was.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
It was that was im Yeah, and war done doney Yeah,
and then l T was multiple Yeah, yeah, it was easy.
It was the foes. You're right, and you mentioned Laurent already.
I mean job, you know now it's as old as
I am.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
You know, I still you know now and then now,
but didn't you rush for okay, didn't you rush for
a stack?
Speaker 2 (15:23):
No?
Speaker 4 (15:24):
No, I started out in the league leading the league
in rushing. My flast year, I'll started off pe you
do want to see me? You didn't want to see me,
that's what.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
Yeah. First the first two games I was leading. That's
I was done.
Speaker 4 (15:36):
I broke the ink or broke so first two games
played against I think the first game was against the
Oilers of Houston Oilers we had about ninety five. Second
week against the Atlanta Falcons, I broke the first first
run seventy four down the line.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
Yeah. When seventy four, nobody came and ran me down.
That's old school. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's the old school.
Oh yeah, oh yeah, oh yeah, oh Yeah, that's you.
Speaker 4 (15:55):
Didn't want to fall, right, that's why you ran so
hard right that that.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
Term you come on dog? You know how? Oh oh god?
What the old Metro.
Speaker 3 (16:05):
I'm dating myself now that I am played the old Metro?
Do I did one year?
Speaker 2 (16:10):
Oh my god? Was trash track bailed down? Trash got
that big strawberry? Yes? How about the Steelers old Stadium?
I didn't get to play in that one? Okay?
Speaker 4 (16:18):
You know who sucked to the Raiders that falling on
that grass and you never because they played baseball.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
Yeah, I've been in there out the fall. The dirt
was terrible. Nobody wanted to go over there, nobody.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
Nobody want to go get this first out. Let me
need the grass. Just act like you're steal. Nobody would
get an extra three hours, right, nobody would have that
is great? Oh my god, I hated that so glad
they yeah, oh.
Speaker 3 (16:45):
We're gonna take a short break and we'll be right back.
So I got I got one for you. The era
that you played in seventeen years. The mentality, what mentality
did you have to be in to block the way
you blocked back in that day? Because today we really
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don't see a full back used anymore. No, No, they
call him an age. They call it yeah, like it's
it's the game's completely changed, and your style of play
and what you've done, Like, what mentality did you bring
into a game?
Speaker 2 (17:16):
Well, it was me. It's simple.
Speaker 4 (17:18):
My grandmother, I mean, she's ninety seven when she died,
name was Viola. My grandfather's name was Oliver. He was
ninety four when he died. They came from Fort Worth,
Texas with six of my brothers. My uncle Joe wasn't
born yet, so they came on the back of a
truck from Fort Worth to California. They were sharecroppers, and
so I remember my grandmother. I was just got named
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California after of the Year, Valley Player of the Year.
They Janet Evan, they said, Janets the Queen, Lorenzo's the King.
I beat up Quincy Watts, Curtis Conway, all those guys
for one one athletic player in whole state of California.
And my grandma said, come here and sit down. I
want to talk to you. And she had old beat
up station wagon. She says, don't worry, son, I ain't
gonna give you that station wagon. I said, thank God,
because I didn't want.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
That is that bad?
Speaker 4 (17:57):
And so she just told me the story about how
she came from Texas and she was a supervisor and
she chopped cotton. After you chopped cotton, you pecket in bags.
She was over like twenty thirty people. She was pregned
with my uncle Joe Wednesday night. She went in labor Thursday,
you know, had him Friday, she went back to work.
She because, then I said, Grandma, why didn't you just
take off Saturday and Sunday? You already you know, you
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was already gonna be off of Saturday and Sunday. Why
didn't you just not take come in Friday and just
act one more day? And she said, because over twenty people.
And I didn't want the boss to know that. She said, so,
never take a boss. Never take a vacation. When the
boss is around, they'll realize how much they don't need you.
I didn't get that when I was in high school.
Later on in my career, they say, you know, you
can't make the can't make the club and the tub.
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So what she was trying to tell me, never take
a vacation from the boss. I knew that I had
to make myself, you know, not replaceable. I knew that
I had even when I was hurt. Next heard all
those things, the word a cowboy called. I knew that
I had to play this position because you knew the
full back position. You only get a certain a mount
of plays. Usual they want to spread out, go nickel
and dime and you know, twelve personnel and you know,
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and don't go twenty one personnel. So it wasn't it
meant something? So when I get on that field, it
was about I am going to impose my will on
every single linebacker, every single safety that I see. I'm
going to because I'm gonna make these coaches play me.
So that's what I drove me to play the game
as hard as I could for seventeen years. It's like,
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now I'm gonna show them that, no, you ain't gonna
replace me. I'm not going to take a break and
I'm gonna try to run through you. I mean, you
lead me right into my question, and that is how
much pride do you take? Clearly you take pride in
your work. Hearing the story about from your grandmother coming
from Fort Worth that you played in two hundred and
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twenty one consecutive games without missing. Like, that's a long
time long to play the position that you played, to
play through injuries and all that consecutively and continue to
show your will upon your opponents.
Speaker 2 (19:59):
Yeah, it was tough.
Speaker 4 (20:00):
There were some games then I didn't know. I mean,
miss maybe Wednesday, and like we rarely could limp through practice,
but like, hey, coach, you're gonna gonna hold out, No,
I'm playing. You have to have that determination.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
It was tough.
Speaker 4 (20:12):
It was really tough, and it was really hard to
make it that long, those many games. And the only
reason I didn't after that because I broke my ankle
against the Titans. I remember that game. So I was
missed four weeks and came back and that's when broke
the streak.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
Hello, you missed four weeks? Yeah, with a broken ankle.
Speaker 4 (20:28):
Yeah, broke the table and non way bearing bone in
the leg and uh like a fibula. Yeah, And then
they went in, put boat, put screws in it. I
broke my fible in high schools shut out four weeks later. Baby,
let's go, let's do let's go, coach, put me in
the game.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
I'm glad I'm not in that group, like I don't
want that. Yeah, I don't want that. I'm good. It
is a non way baron bone though you learned a
lot about it. Yes, yes you do. I'm okay not
being in that club. It's cool.
Speaker 4 (20:58):
So you're too pretty you never got got get out
of the way, or never got never beat up pretty bad.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
Or no I got beat up.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
Okay, I'm just asking don bro come on now, I'm
almost a thousand tackles okay, okay, corners you know, y.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
Yes, Okay, I'm different, Okay, I'm different. Okay, y'all didn't
want death smoke.
Speaker 3 (21:17):
Almost a thousand tackles as a corner. Okay, almost a thousand.
That means So I want to know this all right
now since we're checking out tough, we y'all?
Speaker 2 (21:25):
Are I know this? Like?
Speaker 1 (21:30):
Do you think you would have played twenty years in
today's game where they can no longer cut the guys
coming at them?
Speaker 2 (21:37):
Oh, because there's no way I would have took you
up high?
Speaker 1 (21:39):
You're already sure you got the low center you You
would probably destroy people.
Speaker 4 (21:45):
Now, my guys linebackers would come in and cut me corner,
they take my legs out o me and you oh,
you know.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
What I'm saying, because nowadays, you they can't.
Speaker 1 (21:57):
Every time nobody could, Like defenders, I'm like, there's no
way I want to take on a set of edge.
Speaker 3 (22:03):
No Francisco, how they said it. No, they bring the
tackle and they bring him in motion.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
Oh yeah yeah, william T.
Speaker 4 (22:11):
Full speed and they ain't got it. No pole corner, yeah, pole,
coney hole coney. They don't want that smoke. No, they
don't want to smoke. Don't want that smoke.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
I played a long time, you know what I mean,
Like you played seventeen, but you probably played twenty one.
Speaker 4 (22:26):
Yeah, at least twenty because you I think I took
at least two years off my career.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
In training camp, yeah, I mean we had freaking Jim
Moore was tough, yes, playoffs. I mean you had a
guy he told me like how tough his trading caps
were man twice a day. I mean, full pads nine
on seven goal line.
Speaker 4 (22:48):
This is I mean, Jim Mortan care bro and then
old school and then I went Jets, but Bill Parcells.
So I mean I had these old school coaches that
Marty swon. I had coaches that, Okay, we're gonna make
this thing. This party Ball, Marty Ball, Market Ball. Yeah,
I think I would have got at least I'd say
two more.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
Yeah, because I just thought about it, because you know,
with guys no longer being able to go low on blockers, right,
I think I'm I mean right, yeah, yeah, I got
two more.
Speaker 3 (23:22):
Okay, So you and I got something in common. Uh,
pro bowls you made them. Mind, mine came pretty late
and later in my career, yours came late.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
Why do you think it?
Speaker 3 (23:32):
Why do you think it took so long for you
to get your first pro ball?
Speaker 2 (23:36):
You know what?
Speaker 4 (23:37):
I don't know, because I was like, it was I
tell you what it was. It was pretty upset. I
was disappointed.
Speaker 3 (23:43):
Like you know, you you know how it is, Broa,
You go out there, you ball, You're just like, all right, yeah,
it's I got yours. I got this, I got that.
My guy i'm blocking for he has this. I got
the picks, I got the tackles, I got the force fumbles.
Oh yeah, for sure, I'm going in. And then you
coach he reads it and it's like if you don't
get caught.
Speaker 4 (23:58):
You're like what you don't but you don't say nothing, right,
You're just like mag deal. But you know, you just pissed.
The next season, You're like, I'm a member. And then
the thing about it is like, I think it's a
let's be real popular everybody all day. Every guys is
just gonna get that. And I was like, man, are
you kidding me? I said, Okay, I remember I go
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out there playing against the linebackers. I said, are you
to vote for me a Pro Bowl?
Speaker 2 (24:23):
Boom?
Speaker 1 (24:23):
I mean I would be telling them that on the field. No, no, no,
I'm telling you because it's them, They're the ones that eroded.
This is what you guys want to do. I wouldn't
ask to kill spikes ask them. I'm like, man, I'm
gonna worry you ab out today. I'm judged the jury.
I'm find you guilty today.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
Man, Bro, Yeah, hould up, that's that's the one I say.
Want that smoke? Man. You know they dogged you.
Speaker 4 (24:45):
Bro. You know at least three a couple you knew
you you was there. I think they need to do
not do away with the Pro Bowl.
Speaker 3 (24:53):
I gotta do something with it as far as how
they vote, because I think Antonine Winfield Junior made All Pro.
He's the first team All Pro and make a Pro Bowl. Yes,
like how do you how does that even?
Speaker 1 (25:06):
And look, man, I had some of my best years
and I didn't go to the Pro Bowl well and
it was like, oh well maybe he was too dirty
and but you know, and then your GM comes over
You're like, hey, look we look at this one stat
who's maybe impacted more, made more impact, like you led
the league in this, this, this, and I'm just like,
you know what, that doesn't absolutely nothing nothing for me
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right now right the Pro Bowl?
Speaker 2 (25:30):
Okay? And so yes, it is very diff wanted to
your resume. Yes, and it's pretty fun to go over
to Hawaiian have fun. Yes, Yes, do you go to Hawaii? Baby,
let's go? Yes?
Speaker 1 (25:41):
What Yeah, and make sure nobody else knows what room
you're staying in, because the best real put that stuff
on your room.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
I lot every time, Yet every time.
Speaker 4 (25:52):
No one knew a room. I was, Oh, man, I
was John White. No, no, no, seriously, bro, I already
got my name out. What Actually the guy a Rebok,
that's his.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
Name, remember John? He was?
Speaker 4 (26:03):
And I was like, I used his name. He's like,
you're using my name. I didn't even know it's hitting
with reb Yeah, but yeah, get your room.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
The guys.
Speaker 4 (26:10):
See, guys build three thousand, no doubt, thirty thousand bucks.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
Oh for all that that don't know, that is a
whole deal, especially old school guys. That was like a
whole deal when hazing and all that stuff was very prevalent.
Speaker 4 (26:22):
And Peyton was the best. Hayden get the rookies. Hey man, man,
you're a good receiver. What you got when we're you're
on your deal, Hey man, let's grasp some dinner. I'm
gonna call you. I'm gonna call you man and paple Grass.
Peyton was set them up so cold. Peyton was the
coldest at setting guys up.
Speaker 3 (26:39):
And I'm sure that that receiver was like dang, yeah, exactly.
He's really giving me some sound advice. Hayton, Man, how
could I.
Speaker 4 (26:48):
Never went to dinner with me? Yeah, just drunk with
him at the pool before he knew it. He I
see guys crying, Bill, I didn't do this.
Speaker 2 (26:57):
I didn't do this.
Speaker 3 (26:58):
Then they get Fox one time. I think they got Fox.
I think they got Fox with like I'm doing.
Speaker 2 (27:02):
I was like.
Speaker 3 (27:03):
Fifteen fifteen g's so I believe it from everybody just
racking stuff up on his hotel room.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
Oh my God.
Speaker 1 (27:09):
All right, So tell me what type of mentality? Well
you already talked about the mentality, but how much pride
did you take in making three straight probos at the
age of what is it, thirty five, thirty six, and
thirty seven? Yeah, coming late in your later on in
your career, Like, how did you get to that point?
And what type of pride do you take in that? Now?
Because we talked about making pro bos, I mean you
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probably wanted them more in your twenties. Sure, well, you
probably could have enjoyed it a little bit more. I'm
not saying you didn't enjoy that in your thirties, but twenties.
You know we are mentality wise, right right? Well, I
just think that anything you do in life, you got
to keep working. And PID tell you it's just like, man,
you missed a couple and you're like, man, okay, is
it ever going to happen? And you start to wonder.
I remember in Tennessee, I made All Pro All Joe team,
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all those teams, and I didn't make the Pro Bowl,
And it was like so frustrating.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
The one thing that's holding you back, the one thing
that's like you want.
Speaker 4 (28:00):
Exactly exactly and so it's crazy because if you work
and you continue to work, and no matter what you
do in anything in life. I mean, I do real
estate now and do a bunch of stuff, and I
miss some deals, but I'll get a deal. I'll put
in four or five offers on a house and it's like, man,
am I gonna when? Am I gonna get one? And
all of a sudden the one that I wanted, sweet
deal comes in, and it's like, but you got to
stay consistent. You have to stay the plan. You have
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to stay the course. You can't deviate. And that's what
and I tell people all the time, working will wishing won't.
The will to win means nothing without the will to prepare.
You got to be prepared that it's going to happen.
And that's how That's how I've run my life now.
That's what I did when I was playing and believe
it or not, two and fourteen two and fourteen Pro
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Bowl really Cincinnati Bingals first only player on the team
made the Pro Bowl to and fourteen Pro So that
was the first Pro Bowl that I went to on
the worst team and on the worst team in the
league that I play. Because people recognize what you were
bringing to the table only Bengal that made it so.
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It's just the consistency is to say, I'm not gonna
quit and if it is to be, it's up to me.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
That's it.
Speaker 4 (29:08):
I look at myself in the mirror and my dad
Grandma said like, hey, look, Dad always said, man, Son,
it's gonna be up to me, and he tell me
get up in the morning, look at yourself in the
mirror and say, if it is to be, it's up
to me. And I just you live by that every day,
even when they have the bad days, because man, life
don't go what you want. Life don't go the way
you plan it. It doesn't happen. You got to have
that determination, You got to have that will power. You
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got to be able to look and say, man, yesterday's history,
tomorrow's a mystery, today's a present. It's a gift lived
in it. And people don't take advantage of those opportunities, right.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
And the crazy though, once you shout out to Kung
Fu Panda, that was my paper my little girls, Yeah
said that Kong Flu Panda. Do I get that's the bro? Sorry,
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he was good, he was great. Thomas. I'm just in
here trying to ask some questions. I'm sorry, he's talking
about Confrapanda. That's like Rome start time. I'm in the
middle of a question and he he just cuts me.
Speaker 3 (30:13):
Off, and I'm like, okay, I don't I'm bad dog.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
Yeah, I got excited. Yes, he gonna do it again. No,
he do it all the time. I just gotta all right.
I just let him. Let him do his thing. You
know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (30:28):
You like that pit bull with the with the no
no collar, and you just do your own thing.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
I just let you do it. Thank you. I just
let you do it. Thank you. I was gonna say, once.
Speaker 3 (30:35):
You got the first Pro Bowl, the other the other
two three, they just kind of they just they just flowed, right.
People recognize your game and your game in the process. Yes,
that's all I mean.
Speaker 1 (30:47):
Well, Sean Payton used to always say, how you know,
your first Pro Bowl usually comes after your really good year.
You usually don't make it on your first time having
a big year, and then it usually comes after that.
And then once you get one, you'll get two in three,
and you'll probably go to one that you don't even
deserve at the end, like somebody will. You'll usually get
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in once you become a Pro Bowl guy at the
end of your career, or one year when you probably
don't deserve it over another kid that's in their first
really big year, and you'll get in over them.
Speaker 4 (31:17):
So that's how the NFL kind of keeps it. It does,
it does, but you know, and I'll take it. I'll
take it for all the years. Yeah, for all the
years they didn't get us right, I'm getting back.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
You see this guy.
Speaker 4 (31:28):
See this guy throw that, throw that salt. There's probably
some years you should have been No, no, it's not
bro I say, man, we heard every bro pte. I
see how you pee rough?
Speaker 2 (31:38):
I see he is. He slided him in there. Lightweight, lightweight,
turn it real quick. That was good.
Speaker 4 (31:48):
How you set that up though, brohprinkling in there.
Speaker 3 (31:52):
So let's talk about this neck roll. Oh, Safeties notorious
for wearing neck rolls. Linebackers notorious necks. You never wore
one heavy? Hell, okay, my bad was not offensive. If
I wear a negro, I'm throwing at that guy. If
you see a DV with a.
Speaker 5 (32:10):
Negro throwing at him immediately, he can't get it ready yet.
He is getting thrown at immediately. First from check check check, chack, check,
and point at it.
Speaker 2 (32:24):
They going right at that guy, right at that guy.
Speaker 6 (32:28):
No way, don't even come over here, I guess my
So for those listening and if you're watching, the negro
was like, literally it's just like a it looks like
a white towel that you literally put behind your neck
and you had some shoe strings and it's.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
Just no doubt it wove in. Did it really help
you when you wore it? I would I want the
cowboy collar later on you I wouldn't the negro straight
straight one?
Speaker 4 (32:56):
Yeah, like like becd I'd be cocks. I had the
cowboy it's a car. It's like a cowboy caller. So
it's kind of like, you know, have the dogs got
those callers on when they get this when they can
the okay, so it doesn't go around.
Speaker 2 (33:08):
You, Yeah, just go in.
Speaker 4 (33:10):
D's right here, so it goes all away. And it
kept that big rock. That was my money maker. This
right here was a money maker. I'm coming downhill, So.
Speaker 2 (33:16):
You had to win eighty cone. Yeah, yes, I guess
the next roll don't work as good as that.
Speaker 4 (33:21):
Back in the day, I used to you know, a
d Eric Dickinson term on the next Rod because he's
you know, Eric Dicks twenty nine.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
To run pretty, he run pretty.
Speaker 4 (33:29):
Now, used to try to break out like he man down.
I'll get right because that's pretty. No, No, because I
was running pretty. You gotta get ugly to run. Sometimes
you try to run like d could do it like this,
Yeah he was. I used to get out like that
on Man coming again. But if I get if I
get that little buck to it, Okay, cancel Christmas.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
I'm going that's the Adrian Peterson a Peters he does. Yeah. Yeah,
when that heir go to Bob and it's a right,
it's a round. There you go. That's a Christmas. We're
gonna take a short break and we'll be right back. Okay.
So I love this.
Speaker 1 (34:06):
I mean we've never actually talked about neck rolls on
this show. This is really good. This is really good. Also,
the difference between the cowboy Tyler the board. Yes, the
board was a big thing. Derrick Brooks was another guy,
was a board guy. B Cox was a board guy
and on the board guy. Now you can't the only Matt.
You can't look back as much. It stops you, It
really stops you. You know, impede your you know, range
(34:30):
of motion big time. Yeah, So that's tough. And the
reason why I knew I wasn't getting the ball, so man,
you know, I just didn't a little you know, ran man,
you know, so I that's rugger, man, because I just
I'd go and then when I get done, I'd squat
and boom, just jump right into him. I'd headshot.
Speaker 4 (34:51):
I couldn't play in this game now because I leave
with my head I'd run and I get close and
I just you know, I'm already short, like you said,
and then I just dropped my hips running, dropped boom
and explode.
Speaker 2 (35:00):
The boom Yeah ah quick, yes, sir. Explos and feeling.
Speaker 3 (35:06):
Yeah, the way you're describing it, I mean, and as
he's looking us up like I'm like, okay, yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:11):
I'm not saying I was looking, but his chest popped
really hard.
Speaker 1 (35:13):
Yeah yeah, I was like, whoa, I wasn't hello, yeah,
I wasn't looking, but all right, right, right, yeah, you
know that's it.
Speaker 5 (35:24):
That was it.
Speaker 3 (35:25):
I think we played y'all in four oh three or
something like that, probably my Rooki year. I think we
had like it was a talls or something like that.
On my side, I got that business I have was
a corner and played cover two and I had to
you know, hammer everything back inside to the to my defense,
and it didn't end so well for me. That's when
I was like one hundred ninety six pounds. I was
(35:45):
just frail, just skinny, narrow.
Speaker 2 (35:47):
Y'all put this into in Diego. Yeah, we said, yeah, yes,
got me good.
Speaker 4 (35:51):
You know what I called one of the guys man
because uh, that was one of that that ever that
he thought it was cheap shot.
Speaker 2 (35:58):
But it wasn't. No, I won't a cheap shot. This
was a good old fashioned football. Just the best man won.
Speaker 4 (36:03):
And I know one of you guys blew out his
kne that game. Wasn't me, No, I know, it wasn't you.
It wasn't you know, wasn't you? And god it was
it was h one of the safeties was playing you guys,
and you guys and the coach got really made.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
It might have been what you God forget, it.
Speaker 1 (36:18):
Wasn't Mike Brown. Wasn't Mike Brown did tear his knee
up one year, so that might have been seven. Then
it was seven.
Speaker 2 (36:25):
Yeah it was Mike Brown O seven. We played y'all
in San Diego. Yeah, Mike Brown. I remember Mike be
when the tourists.
Speaker 4 (36:31):
Yeah, I remember call him and said, man, sorry about that.
You know he's uh yeah, I played and I was
like man, I was like, man, Mike Brown, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (36:38):
Yeah, I'm talking about O. Three y'all played. Oh yeah,
I think it was three y'all played us in Chicago,
and uh yeah. He gave me the business man. Sometimes
you get the bear. Sometimes the bear get you. There
it is you grats got the bear. Grats all right.
I would have big Bear Thomas when uh, big brown bear.
Speaker 2 (36:57):
All right?
Speaker 1 (36:57):
Lo, when did you know it was time like in
two thousand and nine, when it was time to retire?
Speaker 4 (37:03):
Yeah, you played seventeen. I was that was your seventeen.
I was with the Raiders and I remember going out
to practice and just like just walking out and it's
just different. Things slowed down. You see the young guys
running around. Let's go training camp. You're going My hamstring
was tight, and I remember like going on kickoff and
we would do the drill. You know, you you get
(37:24):
in front of a guy and the guy's got to
run around. You gotta catch him and set up up
and block. He's running behind you and you got to
turn set the wedge, and so you do that, and
I remember running like, man, can I get there?
Speaker 2 (37:35):
I remember?
Speaker 4 (37:35):
And then I remember playing nine on seven and we
had a toss play and it's like okay, toss crack,
and it's like okay. I looked out there like okay,
I gotta get there. I started thinking instead of reacting.
And you know, you know what I'm saying. You get
to that point where you're like, okay, I'm lining up, boom,
I gotta make my hips.
Speaker 2 (37:53):
Can I do?
Speaker 4 (37:53):
And you start thinking about what you're doing instead of
when we played football, you've always just reacted. And once
that happened, man, I said, oh my goodness, I'm thinking.
I'm thinking out here. I'm still I can still be physical.
I can still, but I have to think about my position.
I got to think about too much instead of just
running up and going reacting. And I was like, okay,
this is it, this is this is you know, you
(38:16):
just kind of know and you're just like, man, all
good things must come doing in.
Speaker 2 (38:19):
Were you ready to accept it? I was, but I wasn't.
Speaker 4 (38:24):
Sometimes you just do things because you're just you know,
like I said earlier, it's not the crash. You can
said and stop. You don't know what's next. You dibble.
You gotta realize. That's why I talked about. You know,
when I talk to military guys and different things, you
know we're doing. We're talking when to go be a practice,
what time the bus leave, structure, get structure, all that stuff.
When the training camp, when they're eating, who's getting taped,
(38:46):
Who's what? Same thing in military, live in the barracks,
you're doing boom boom. You're someone, and you're someone in
the military. Boom your commentsary, you're big time, your chief,
your petty officer. You are the man on that base
football boom, you're so when you go to the stadium,
say yeah, you get to go your own. You don't
freaking have to go wait in line, You call your team, call,
you go to doctor, your family, boom, go to the door.
They got it set up. You're someone, You have all
(39:07):
those things. What happens when you're done, They take that
jersey from you and then you just have your name.
Speaker 2 (39:12):
Who are you? Who are you? And that's those things.
Speaker 4 (39:15):
The guys, it's it's tough because of the fact there's
no there's no succession planned, there's no oh, this is
what you do. Yeah, they'll talk about it, but you're
playing football. You're in your window, and you don't understand,
you don't see what it's like. And then you know, boom.
You go to the stadium, you go to banks, whatever,
they give you what you want, and now a sudden
you're done. It's like, okay, who are you?
Speaker 2 (39:32):
What are you doing? No, you can't get to the
front of the line.
Speaker 4 (39:34):
Oh no, the help? Where's your friends? Where are these
people at it? And all of a sudden you realize
how dark it can be, and you're like, man, who
am i? Where am I going?
Speaker 2 (39:44):
What is my process?
Speaker 4 (39:45):
You're like, man, am I still depending? And now you're like,
because you depending on that structure where to go? And
now you knew if you played a game, and now
you don't have that and who's got you? And now
you don't have those things and it's like, oh my good,
people really don't care. You had coaches, trainers be on you,
and now it's just like if you decided to get
in a hole and crawl up there and die, so
(40:05):
be it. No one's going to be there. So that way,
I think those are those moments that you're like Okay,
I have to make sure that I have some balance.
Speaker 2 (40:13):
I have to make sure.
Speaker 4 (40:14):
Okay, when am I you know what am I going
to do to make sure that I don't have to
depend on anyone? Because it's tough to go out there
after you've been playing and doing stuffing in Bay, Hey
can I get a job?
Speaker 2 (40:24):
Go?
Speaker 4 (40:24):
I do this, and and you're a grown man playing
a kids game, getting the Kings Ransom, and all of
a sudden you're making millions of dollars and now it's
fifty thousand, sixty thousand, seventy Okay, one hundred if you're lucky.
Speaker 2 (40:35):
It's different. How was it for you those first couple
of years out? It was weird. It was weird to
watch football? You did?
Speaker 4 (40:41):
I think since I was five six years old, I played.
I played football, and Russell so I. Since I was
a kid, I did it. And then you're thirty eight,
thirty nine, and now you make that transition. And while
I was playing, I was able to buy some houses
and my buddy Matt and my dad, so I was
buying real estate.
Speaker 2 (40:57):
But it's still I was.
Speaker 4 (40:58):
I was still off season. I'll go home and work
on but it's still I knew that. I only did
that for three or four months and then I was
gone back to my job, so you know, so I
was doing that. So it was just and then once
I got out, I was like, Okay, I'm working on
the houses off season, Okay, seasons start, I'm still working
in these houses.
Speaker 2 (41:15):
I'm still you know, doing other things. And it's like
it was just different.
Speaker 4 (41:19):
And so I started getting in the radio and doing
some TV in the Bay and working with the Niners
Raiders and doing those things. So it was okay, but
you still it's a still avoid. It's still avoid. It's
still avoid because you can't walk in those locker rooms,
think about guys. You're laughing with guys, joking around with guys.
Ok okay, it's it's you know, Tuesday, you know, off day,
Friday or whatever. You go out with the boys. It's
(41:39):
just a different thing. And if you had a problem
with someone on the field, okay, practice receiver, Okay, let's
go and you do. You go, do your thing, You
get him or he get you corner, whatever it is.
You knew how to squash it or knew how to
handle it on the field. Now you walk into business world,
Oh my god, hey, learn to want you to invest
in this, invest in a restaurant, A good friend of mine.
Speaker 2 (41:58):
Let's do this.
Speaker 4 (41:59):
Oh boom, here's ROI look at the gross multipier, you
look at the things. You start looking at this, Okay,
what's this cost? And all those things, and you start
you're in this extra space. Now you're doing it. Oh,
seven hundred thousand dollars later, you lost. I can't go
kick your ass. I can't go on the football field
and go and take that out on you. It's different.
And now you're in a world where people are sharks.
They're out to get you. You're you know, okay, I'm
(42:20):
gonna take advantage of it. And if you ain't prepared
for some of those ups and downs, and those those
ups and downs in those walls, it can eat you up.
And I think those were those tough things, and those
are those things that guys you know, have to you
don't have to be prepared for when they leave. This
game is because now you have to realize you're going
out there. You might have a couple bucks in, but
people want it and think that they can get it
(42:40):
and tell you that the next thing is in sight
spread and they're gonna tell you what you want to
hear and do those things. But you got to that's
when you got to have good people in your corner.
Are how you're gonna vet that? What is the process
in which you developed to say, Okay, I'm not gonna
do that. I'm not gonna do that. I gotta see
this at bad check? That's a bad check? How do
you find that out?
Speaker 2 (42:57):
Who's teaching you?
Speaker 4 (42:58):
Because you take that game of hard knocks, you can't
go back in the league and make three four million again.
Speaker 2 (43:02):
If you lose it, you lose it.
Speaker 3 (43:04):
Yeah, that's a lot. But I think we feel and
understand everything. Yeah, I've lost a little bit. That's why
I'm like, damn, Yeah, you're right.
Speaker 2 (43:15):
I did the same thing. All right, you're right. I
want it. So technically I could have the money that
I lost in that investment. I could have.
Speaker 3 (43:26):
And did what I wanted to do, but I probably
would have got arrested.
Speaker 2 (43:29):
Yeah I wish.
Speaker 1 (43:30):
But he's right, though, I wish I could have just like,
okay this orowe me money and we on this line right.
Speaker 2 (43:35):
So he about to catch these hands. Bro, you don't
want this? Yes, I wish I was like, dude, I'm
with you. And if you win, and you know and
think about it, if you lose, you lose. It's fine,
it's fine. But I don't just do me. Don't just
do me?
Speaker 1 (43:54):
You know what I'm saying, Yes, exactly, you. I know
where my guy lives. I'm just saying I know where
he lives. I haven't done anything.
Speaker 2 (44:06):
What right I got you?
Speaker 4 (44:08):
Yes, I've stopped following that. You don't follow him to
the local supermarket anymore.
Speaker 1 (44:13):
You got a saying you like to use. It says,
don't let your condition dictate your position in life. Yeah,
and how do you use that mentality to propel you
to your success that you've had in your second act
doing some real estate and other things, also sharing your
your stories in the media space.
Speaker 4 (44:30):
Yeah, you know what I think that I tell people,
don't let your condition dictate your position because we all
have come from different places. But is that going to
dictate what we want to really do in life? And
that's what so many people do say, Well, man, this
is my condition. I come from a single family home.
I do this and tell me that it is it
is harder to overcome. And I hate when people say,
well he did it, and some people are built different
(44:52):
and everyone says, oh, well you should, you should look
look at that guy. Where you hear certain guys and
certain people, and I think it's very condescending when I
hear a the visuals say well he made it. You
could be like that guy or do that, and they
don't understand the mindset and they don't understand those other
Maybe that person did make it because they had great coach.
Maybe they had a great other people that surrounded them,
and the other ones didn't. So it's so hard when
(45:14):
I hear that people put people in those boxes like that.
So my thing is like, man, it's about working. It's
about I know where my position where I want to be,
and that's why I continue to work. You know, me
and a couple of buddies, we just invested in a
franchise called Hotworks, you know, and it's like, you know,
open up a you know, the Hot Works gym, gonna
do three of those and it but it took work,
(45:34):
It took commitment. It's been watching this this, this, this
franchise evolved and saying, Okay, how do I get involved
in this? How do those things? So I just look
at it every day. Bro as I'm like, I'm gonna
keep grinding. I'm not going I'm gonna lose. I'm gonna lose,
but I'm gonna keep getting up. Because when you stop
fighting and you stop, then you be able to complace it.
It's so easy to say, Okay, you know what, Hey,
(45:55):
I got thirty properties, you know what? You know I'm
living you know, fifteen twenty grand And it's like, okay,
is that dude? Do you just want to keep existing?
I still got fighting me? I still want to, you know.
And that's where I say, in my position, I want
more and not just me, I want I want it
for my family. I want it for my brothers, my sister.
So it's like I work because I want it. I
(46:16):
want a better life for everyone. Because if you have
everything and your close friends, your family and other ones.
Speaker 2 (46:22):
Don't, how fun it is? How fun is that? It's
not fun?
Speaker 4 (46:25):
It's not fun being around people that you don't really
want to be around because they have it, and you're
doing things that you know that you wouldn't be doing
because you're in that click or in that group, and
you're like, man, I don't how do I bring my friends?
How do I bring the people that I love, And
how do I put them? Don't let their condition dictate
their position? How do I make them rise up in
a position?
Speaker 2 (46:44):
What am I doing? How am I educating myself? What
am I doing?
Speaker 4 (46:47):
Grant writing, doing other stuff? Bringing other people around the
say how do I employ? How do I employ?
Speaker 2 (46:51):
And say?
Speaker 4 (46:51):
Okay, hey, Bud, you know what, hey, just when I'm
paying in thirty thousand taxes and I'm gonna give you
a thirty thousand dollars jobs, So now I'm gonna get
that thirty thousand dollars write off?
Speaker 2 (46:57):
How do I do those things?
Speaker 4 (46:59):
That's saying, Look, you gotta pay him anyway, you're gonna
give it with uncle Sam, So why not give it
to that individual? So now boom that you get in
these right up? There's all kinds of things that you
just got to explored. There's all kinds of things that
we have to do to work. So I just keep
grinding to try to get a better position, not just
for me, but also.
Speaker 2 (47:15):
Those who I love.
Speaker 3 (47:16):
So Rome has like thirty jobs over here working network,
like dude is.
Speaker 2 (47:22):
He's grinding all the time. He is in the media.
Speaker 3 (47:25):
He's got all types of media ventures. I guess My
question to you is what other media ventures do you have?
Are you like my guy right here with twelve jobs,
what are yours?
Speaker 4 (47:35):
I'm the jack of all trades and master from none.
I work for I do the Chargers Believe. I do
the Belief Network, so we're you know, all the Ballet's shows.
So I'm on that. I work for ninety five to
seven a game doing football season. So I do a
two hour show there, posting a pre show and do
some radio there, and then I'm buck in the Bay.
I do work with the Niners. I do some tvkpix,
(47:55):
so I do a TV show there, so.
Speaker 2 (47:57):
And I just he kind of is like me, yeah,
kind of like that. That's why I like, hey, God,
it is Yeah.
Speaker 4 (48:07):
Then I do multi family homes, and I mean commercial
and residential, so I build and buying dirt lots of
flip houses. I just buy and sell flip look at
the house going, put an offer in on and sometimes
stand at the courthouse and bid on it. Sometimes I
get them, sometimes I don't. I developed land. Look at
I have some commercial land. You know that it was
I bought an agriculture. Now it's annexed into the city.
(48:29):
So now it's you know, I went from being aged
now worth commercial, so now you know, value one up.
So yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. Gas stations when
to come. So it's people knocking on the doors and stuff.
So it's it's it's good. It's good to be one.
Speaker 2 (48:42):
Gas stations in Chick fil A's you never don't may
call that part.
Speaker 3 (48:48):
Everybody loved Chick fil A. Everybody loved chick They'll work
on the Sabbath.
Speaker 1 (48:52):
And so it's like gas station Chick fil A in
the publix publics. These these jokers are great. Many Many Storage,
you can't go wrong.
Speaker 4 (49:01):
Oh. Many Storage has the best ROI I'm looking at
I have a piece of land. I'm looking at Many.
But there's a guy in town that it scares me
because there's no overhead. The overhead so long any storage
is a cash Yeah right, my boys, look at Mississippi,
look at some other places.
Speaker 2 (49:17):
Man.
Speaker 1 (49:17):
Mobile homes are really good to Yeah, mobile homes, whether
you provide them or they bring them in exactly, there's
some money out there, brothers.
Speaker 2 (49:24):
Let's go. I'm waiting on y'all. I'm with it. Let's go.
I'm with it.
Speaker 1 (49:28):
I'm with Lorenzo Man this is my last question. Man, sure,
I promise. Okay, Well let's give me too good of
an answer. Then I'm probably gonna jump back in. I'm sorry, Thomas,
like this is me. I love Thomas.
Speaker 2 (49:49):
So it's a man. They were good, but we're good.
How who how?
Speaker 4 (49:53):
Who?
Speaker 2 (49:54):
How how many out? And who've done it? But for
what the question is, who is on.
Speaker 1 (50:01):
Your personal amount rushmore of accomplishment that if poored ins
of you to make Lorenzo Neil who he is? You
got four and you know it's catered to you however
you want to do it. But who's on your mount rush?
Speaker 2 (50:14):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (50:15):
For me watching growing up, I mean my father was
he was a minister and my grandparents preaching kid. Yeah,
it was a PK and I was bad, but a
lot of it. Yeah, you know. Look, Monday was prayer meeting,
Tuesday was Bible study, Wednesday's brotherhood, Thursday was missionaries. Fridays
(50:36):
we had young people. Saturdays sometimes every fourth Saturday had
a Felsh meaning Sunday morning Sunday school, then you had
worship service. Then Sunday night we had young people. Sunday night,
then we had the service after young people. So it
was going to church six days, get it. I remember
telling my grandma said, Grandma, we go to church so much.
I think I just rather go to Hell.
Speaker 2 (51:01):
Isn't too much, don't get it too much? Too much,
I get it. I just want to go ahead too much, Grandma,
just go ahead? Is too much? Satan way behind me, Satan. No.
Speaker 4 (51:19):
But my mom and dad were great role models, you know,
married fifty years, lost my father in two thousand and fifteen, sixteen,
and grandparents many were.
Speaker 2 (51:27):
They were unbelievable.
Speaker 4 (51:29):
I think Muhammad Ali what he did, and you know,
still watching him and growing up watching this guy, you
know fight when he thought Larry Holmes, I cried. I
was a huge boxing guy. Loved it watching you know,
like Ray Leonard. But growing up, I mean as far
as football, believe it or not, was Dan Faux watching
the Chargers. I loved Danny Falux, the way he backpedaled,
in the way that he you know, he had Chuck Munty,
Kellen wins or Charlie joining Westchamn. I was freaking infatuated
(51:52):
with the Chargers. So got to leave my childhood gream
So parents, of course, grandparents and you know, and I
think the biggest thing is just to believe.
Speaker 2 (52:00):
I think the.
Speaker 4 (52:00):
Belief in God, just those those values, the moral values
that you get from your parents, and just about beliefs.
So I think we're all blessed, and sometimes we don't
deserve it, but I believe I just choose to believe
in the higher power. And I think that's the reason
I think that to have success because I try to
treat people well and try to do the things that
i'd want people to do to me.
Speaker 2 (52:21):
But I totally believe it. There it is. I like it.
You're dealing with your questions. Zip nothing, this is great.
Zip follow. I mean, you know, I kind of could.
Speaker 3 (52:31):
I could always say something you could not because Thomas
is yelling in my ear, like, don't let them speak,
shut them up.
Speaker 2 (52:38):
It rap it rap it. It's a rap. It's a rap.
Oh man.
Speaker 3 (52:42):
Look so thank y'all for listening. Thank you all for
tuning low man, I appreciate this great interest. Dog Lorenzo
O'Neil man, This is dope, man, Thank you all for
tuning in. Thank you all for listening. Uh, make sure
you like, share, subscribe, follow, make sure you go to comment.
Oh I'm sorry, leave a comment five star rating five
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(53:05):
like follow. Everyone's like talking to me in my ear
and I'm trying to get.
Speaker 2 (53:09):
This without messing on, but totally y'all are killing me
right now.
Speaker 3 (53:13):
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right there. This is the NFL Player Second Act Podcast.
Speaker 2 (53:20):
I'm Peanut.
Speaker 3 (53:21):
That's Ron Pepto Bismo, Peek Harper. That's my guy, Lorenzo O'Neil.
Hey y'all, thank y'all.
Speaker 2 (53:27):
For tuning in. This has been awesome. This is a
great week here in LA.
Speaker 3 (53:31):
We're doing our thing in the studios out here LA
West Coast office.
Speaker 2 (53:35):
Has been a blast. Thank y'all. We out
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