April 7, 2025 • 19 mins
A high school teacher is conflicted after one of her students can't attend prom due to his bad grades in her class. The parents won't stop contacting the school asking for the teacher to change his grade so he can attend prom however, she doesn't want to because it sets a bad example. Fred and the crew weigh in on this dilemma!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Kiki's court. All rise, the honorable is here, Judge Kiki. Yeah,
it's your courtroom. Take it away, all.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Right, let's step into the courtroom. It says, Hey, Kiki,
am I wrong for preventing one of my senior students
from attending prom. I've been a teacher for ten years now,
and this is the first time I've had this issue.
One of my students has been a constant problem and
pain in my behind since this school year started. He's
a senior and this is his last chance to attend prom.
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While I understand how important PROM is to him and
his family, I can't understand why it hasn't been so
important to him and his parents that he passed my class.
Our school has a very strict GPA requirement for all students,
and unfortunately, he's been failing my class all year. I
repeatedly contact his parents and ask for their support to
come up with an action plan to help him. They've
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missed every meeting that we've scheduled, and they've ignored my
emails and calls until now. Now his mother is sending
me emails, leaving asty voicemails, and even calling our principal
to pressure me to adjust his grade in my class.
He did a huge prom proposal, secured a date, and
has been telling everyone that he's actually going.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
However he's not.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
I feel bad that I will be the cause of
him missing out on his senior prom.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
I feel bad for his date.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
But what kind of example would I be setting if
I let for my other students if I let him go?
Speaker 3 (01:24):
Am I wrong?
Speaker 1 (01:26):
Judge, Kiki? What say you?
Speaker 3 (01:29):
You know what?
Speaker 2 (01:29):
I'm always for the teacher, I am. I'm on the
side of the teacher in this case. I feel like,
what can not only what kind of example are you
setting for the other students if you tweak his grade?
But what are you setting him up for in life?
Because you cannot just fail all of your responsibilities and
then still think that you get to enjoy the reward.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
That's insane.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
Like, if you've been failing my class, you've been a
pain in my butt, so you've probably been very disrespectful.
I've been trying to contact your parents and work on
an action plan to help you get ahead, to help
you graduate, to help you get to prom, and they've
made no effort. But now that it's prime time, you know,
now your mom is calling. Now she wants to email.
You know, your parents have failed you and you failed yourself.
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You're a senior at this point, and if you're not
holding up to your responsibilities, there's the consequences to that.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
And I don't think she should feel bad about it.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
I agree, Judge Kiki, how wise, thank you wise and sound.
Here's a song forget about Let's go home. It's over
eight five five one oh three five. You can call
him text the same number. I mean, you could make
the argument that this is a once in a lifetime
thing and he'll go the rest of his life without
ever having gone to his senior problem. Now, you also
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have to get good grades or passing grades at least,
you know what I mean, Like you you And that
was the thing. It's like you either meet this level,
this minimum requirement, or you don't get to go. So
you're right if you just say, now, well that thing
I said before, I didn't really mean that right? Right?
Speaker 4 (02:54):
Then?
Speaker 1 (02:54):
Why did everybody else work so hard?
Speaker 2 (02:55):
And I've seen teachers get this type of pressure, not
even just from parents, but from other minustration at the school,
especially for students who are sports players play you know,
the star basketball player, the star football player, it's almost
like to the teacher like, come on, man, you know
we need him, so give them the grade.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
And it's like, no, these they need to earn their grades.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
You can't just be us in class and not do
what you're supposed to do and then still think that
you should be allowed to go to Prome or allowed
to play play in the game.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
That's not how it works.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
And I feel like when we allow kids to do that,
we're setting them up for failure.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
You do them in disservice because in the real world,
nobody cares, nobody can know. It's like, if you don't
get the work assignment done, then you might get fired.
And that's your fault. There's nobody else's fault. That's what
you're supposed to do. Mm hmm yeah, yeah, I mean,
and let me see all these texts. That's his fault.
And he failed his date by not being truthful with
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her and she probably already bought an expensive dress. That's it. Yeah,
that sucks for the date.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
Right, And I'm sure the mom was like helping him
play the Prome proposal, but you're not helping him get
his grades.
Speaker 5 (03:57):
That's the difference for me is that the parents weren't
cooperative from the beginning. Like so now I'm almost feeling
bad for him because like he may not have the
support system at home to push him to be able
to catch up to everyone else, to be able to
go right. Sure, if you were, you know, if the
parents were involved right from the beginning, when the teacher said, hey,
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there's a problem and you're kind of getting you know,
the push from home and school and you're still not
doing it, then I might feel a little bit different.
But I feel bad that he might lose out on
like these memories just because you know, he might not
have the most.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
I've bet this happens a lot of I mean it
happened a lot because I bet teachers go home feeling
bad about what they weren't able to get their students
to achieve, when really it, while it is their job
to a certain extent, it's the parents' job to back
up the you know, the what the teachers to try
and do instill because it's not a teacher's job to
raise children, even though I think a lot of teachers
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are doing it. But that must be really frustrating because
you feel like, I'm sure this this teacher feels like
she's failing the kid and she gets to well she
is feeling the kid, but he's failing. It's the class.
But like she gets to be the bad person here,
but she's going above and beyond to try and get
him to succeed. So I feel bad for the teacher. Urie,
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how your how you doing?
Speaker 6 (05:17):
Hey?
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Guy?
Speaker 4 (05:18):
Something good?
Speaker 7 (05:19):
How about yourself?
Speaker 8 (05:20):
Hey?
Speaker 1 (05:20):
Good morning? Hey, thank you thanks for listening being part
of the show.
Speaker 9 (05:24):
Thanks Eddie and Jumble.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
Oh wow wow, I didn't know they worked here, but
God bless you the other place without business. So yeah,
so what's going on? What do you think about this
this court case? I mean, the teacher is trying to
save this kid in a lot of ways and get
him to perform, and he's not. And and there was
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a there were there were guidelines, there was you know,
you had to meet this requirement or you can't go
to prom. He didn't meet the requirement, so he's not
going to problem and now the teacher feels bad about it.
Speaker 7 (05:59):
With the teacher Kiky.
Speaker 4 (06:00):
As parents and as a teacher, I help teachers before
you trust them so much for them to do their
own work, and if they cannot man up.
Speaker 7 (06:09):
Or do their job, as an adult. Technically, he's an
adult already. He should be responsible for his own self.
And if his parents are sugar coating him not able
to do his job, then there's no point out her
letting him. She's trying to let him go regardless, because
if she lets if she lets him past and just
let him go like that, she's sugarcoating his grapes, like, Oh,
it's okay, don't worry about that. Feel bad.
Speaker 4 (06:28):
No, there's no such thing as feeling bad or no
excuse it at all. I was just saying earlier, like
my daughter myself. I have a daughter, she's a summer
and having her TwixT sixteen this year. So I told her,
I know I haven't been there to help job, but
if you don't make up your grace, I will cance
your party and you're done. I know it works for
fort first, I argue, and then the parents not doing
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the part either. That's therefore also so there's always a
teacher's part, but the parents do nothing that should have
been done the first place. Happening.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
You're I agree, Thank you, have a good day, Thanks
for listening.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
Keep standing on business man.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
Yeah, I mean that's the thing that you what about
all the other kids, all the other kids that performed
and worked hard. And then so now if this one
kid gets to show up to prom and the rest,
and then the teacher looks like, you know, she's a
pushover exactly, and she loses credibility with the whole room
over one kid because it was like, well, wait a minute,
so I guess I didn't have to do well. I
guess the rules don't apply. Hey Darien, good morning, good morning.
Speaker 8 (07:31):
How's it going?
Speaker 1 (07:32):
Hey man? What do you think?
Speaker 8 (07:34):
I think this teacher shouldn't feel bad at all. This
student made the decision themselves. They had plenty of time.
It doesn't even sound like the student is trying.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
Yep.
Speaker 8 (07:45):
Maybe there's a little bit of time and he could
beg or try to get all work done in a
few weeks or something.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
Yeah. Well, well the other thing is she's she's holding
his hand as it is. Yeah, you know, And that's
something else that's not going to happen in real life,
is that she's already sort of like nursing him through this,
like I'll give you extra help. I mean, I'll do
whatever I can, like I'll go I mean, this is
more than should have to be you know what I mean,
as far as the kid has an obligation to do
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the school work, and the teacher shouldn't have to go
step by step by step by step to get you
to do it, because that doesn't exist in the real world.
No one's gonna do that for you. And so he
already has an advantage and he's failing at that too, right,
So yeah, hey Darren, thank you man, thanks for calling.
Have a good day. So already he's being coddled.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
Yeah, and she tried, even with the parents, like I've
been calling and emailing you all to set up an
action plan to just work with me here, like let's
do whatever we can. Let's be a team to support
this child. And they won't even make the effort. So
it's like and now, but now when we get close
to prom and you want to buy a dress, and
I mean, it sucks, and then you know the whole thing.
Now you have all the effort in the world. Now
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you know my number, now you know my email address.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
That is unacceptab And so the parents are doing him
a disservice on a number of levels. Hey Kathy, Hi,
good morning.
Speaker 9 (09:06):
Yeah, Hi, how are you.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
Hey, Kiky's Court, what say.
Speaker 10 (09:09):
You yes, I'm just I know he maybe seventeen or eighteen. However,
you know, maybe he's you know, I don't want to
say a learning disability, but maybe he has you know,
my lady HD or some type of issue that's holding
him back or maybe not able to focus as much.
Speaker 9 (09:25):
Maybe his parents never looked into that either. Yeah, that's
a tough one.
Speaker 4 (09:29):
I don't know, you know, because it does.
Speaker 9 (09:31):
Think that his parents never you know, came to any
meetings or tried to talk to the parents, you know,
I mean they did. What I'm saying is the parents
never reached back out to the teacher, like like you said,
until now. So well, that's pretty much my outlook on it.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
Yeah, Kathy, maybe he does have a learning disability, but
he has the teacher's full attention, in fact, probably more
than most other students are getting, so right.
Speaker 9 (09:55):
And all, that's true.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
That so there Again, it's not as though she's saying, hey, hey, y'all, y'all,
you're on your own. Here's this. You better get an
A and I'm not going to help you. And if
you don't get an A or B or a C
or whatever, then you can't go to prom and I'm
not even going to assist you in this. No, she's
right there alongside him and he's still not getting it done.
Speaker 4 (10:15):
Well, that's true.
Speaker 9 (10:16):
Yeah, it was like maybe something's undiagnosed.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
It could be, could be, you know, but I mean
he's got he has support. So Kathy, thank you.
Speaker 8 (10:25):
Good day, Thank you you too.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
Glad you called. Oh I'm saying I think she was
saying something nice. Whatever you said, it was nice. Thank you. Hey, Sevanie,
good morning.
Speaker 4 (10:35):
Good morning.
Speaker 7 (10:35):
Hi Fred, love you guys.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
Hey, love you two. What do you think?
Speaker 7 (10:39):
I think?
Speaker 11 (10:40):
You know, prom is a once in a lifetime experience,
so it would be really sad for him to miss
out on it. But totally understand where the teacher is
coming from. In my opinion, the saddest thing about this
entire story is the lack of support at home. I
mean that's where.
Speaker 8 (10:54):
It all starts.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
Yeah, yeah, agree.
Speaker 11 (10:57):
My thought is, maybe throw the kid one last pail, Mary,
maybe some extra credit, and see what he does with it.
Hopefully he doesn't fumble the ball, but if he performs,
then maybe allow him to go. Just give him kind
of that one last opportunity.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
Yeah maybe maybe so, Thank you Stephanie. Have a good day.
Thank you guys, you too, because nobody wants to see
a kid miss that on that. But again, you're doing
you're doing the kid a long term disservice, right if
you just keep making it, you know, Okay, we'll forget
about that, that expectation. How about this one. Oh, you're
not going to meet that. We'll forget about that because
no one's gonna do that for you, the real the rule, right,
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no one's gonna do that for you.
Speaker 12 (11:33):
And we mentioned too, like support coming from home, and like,
for a minute, maybe I'm thinking maybe there isn't support
at home, right, and that's where my mind kind of went,
and maybe like that's another place that you know, he
needs more supported and I totally agree. But then Kicky said,
the parents are coming up here for prom and doing
promposals and getting tuxes. So I'm like, well, then the
support's there, it's just in the wrong place exactly, you know.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
Yeah, they need to back the teacher up. And that's
what I feel bad for this teacher and for a
lot of teachers who, yes, who feel like we've had
him on the air before, we've helped with you know,
classroom wishless and stuff, and it's like they feel inadequate
because they can't provide the experience for their kids that
meets their standard. But it's not necessarily their fault. I
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mean they it's not. If they don't have the budget
or they don't have the parental support or whatever. Then
they're doing the best they can and they don't need
to feel bad about their efforts because other people aren't
supporting them. But they do. Many do. We've heard them
on the show before. Hey Delilah, Hi, Hi, Hey, so
Kenny's Court. Just to recap here quickly, the teacher a
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teacher has written in Tekiki saying, hey, look, I've got
a student who's not performing. I'm trying to help him perform.
He didn't meet the minimum expectations, so he can't go
to prom. His parents have been nowhere to be found.
Now all of a sudden, it's well, wait a minute,
parents are here going I want my kid to go
to prom? What are we going to do about this?
And so, you know, does she let it slide or
does she stand out business?
Speaker 13 (12:58):
I am situation because teachers like you were saying, like
they kind of have not a lot of control of
the education system that we have for kids, and I
think that the prom should not be tied to a
student's grades because students, I think are being failed by.
Speaker 6 (13:18):
The education system we have. I'm a big proponent for
like Montessori style education where teachers you have to master
something before you can move on. So what's to say
that this student has not it has been failed long
time ago by the school system where he's not at
a point where he can catch up and get his
grades up because maybe he's lost interest and even like
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the opportunity to excel in school because he was lost
along the way years ago.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
So I think, but the parents to manage, like shouldn't
shouldn't As a parent, shouldn't you be watching the education
that your child's getting and if they're falling behind, or
or if they're if in fact they're being the school
district or the processes is negligent, then shouldn't the parent
be the one to step up and either supplement or
change the school or do something about it. I mean
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that may be, but like you had the kid, it's
you set the standard. It's your job, right.
Speaker 6 (14:18):
That's true, But it depends what levels they're at, Like
what if both parents work, you know, full time jobs,
or they don't have that kind of support at home,
or maybe they don't speak the language, or maybe they
just you know, maybe they're from a different country and
they don't even know how the school system works here,
or you know, they're kind of putting it up to
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the student to carry on on his own. So I
know it's a very different opinion, but I think I
think the school system has to change to where students
can they have to master something before they could learn
something else, instead of everybody learning the same information.
Speaker 9 (14:57):
Not everybody is going to excel the.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
Well fair enough to thank you, have a good day,
thank you.
Speaker 13 (15:04):
I'm one of the thirteens.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
Thank you, appreciate you.
Speaker 10 (15:09):
Coach basketball coach, I know who you are.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
Well yeah, yeah, you passed Paulina and I got some questions.
They have a good day, Thank you, Delia. I'm not
going to blame this on the school. It's not the
school's responsibility.
Speaker 14 (15:26):
You know what.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
There are issues with the and I'm sure teachers would
say the same thing that there are issues, but I'm
not blaming this on the school. And I think I
think that this would be doing a kid at disservice
on a number of levels.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
Oh yeah, and I see it happen so much. I
hate to keep bringing up with student athletes. I feel
like I've seen this happen a lot of times. And
then they get in the real world and they go
to college, right, and then somebody's doing their homework in college.
But the moment they get injured, now it's they have
no meaning to the school. You know, they they're not
they can't play because they injured themselves, they tore their
acl or whatever, and now they're just out in the
world lost because it's somebody past them all these years
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and they don't know anything.
Speaker 15 (16:02):
Yeah, and parents like they're focused on their child. But
I have so much compassion for teachers because they're trying
to focus on all the children. So you know, these
pushy parents come in and it's like you're worried about
one kid. These teachers are trying to be empathetic and
you know, care about all these students and all these
different situations. There's got to be some compassion for the teachers.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
And she would appear she's already gone above and beyond
to try and say this kid, Adam, so this happened
to you.
Speaker 14 (16:29):
Yeah, good morning, are you doing Hey?
Speaker 1 (16:30):
Good morning man, thanks for calling. Of course.
Speaker 14 (16:33):
Yeah, I was this student and I was very appreciative
that the teachers and educators around me actually pushed me
to not go to prom and didn't let me go
because I was I was fooling around in school and
I wasn't doing my best, and me being a parent, now,
I definitely wouldn't I wouldn't do that for my child,
wouldn't want my child's teachers to do that. I mean,
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the biggest thing that my principal said to me. You know,
I took it to like my pro the probo, the
dean and the principal, and tried to fight it, and
my principal looked at me and just said, listen, man,
the prom is a privilege. It's not a right, Like
that's something that's something that you've earned at the end
of the year from all the good work that you've done.
It's not a right to go to prom. That's something
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that the school puts on to celebrate all of the great,
you know, accomplishments that the students and you all have
done and to commemorate the year and all of that.
And that's that's a privilege. And and yeah, so it's
not it's that's not what it's for. And then also
it kind of set you know, because I did have
people in my life who was like, no, you got
to go to prom, man, you got to go to prom.
Speaker 8 (17:35):
We got to fight this.
Speaker 14 (17:36):
But you know, I have people tell me like, you're
setting the wrong example, you're teaching him that it doesn't
your education is not the most important thing.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
Yes, well it's interesting more important, Adam, And I bet
you would agree with this. But if you had put
as much effort into school as you did into fighting
their decision, then you or these parents, if they had
put enough, if that same energy into trying to get
his greats up as opposed to now complaining to the teacher,
then you may not have been in that situation. I
would imagine you look back and you see it that way.
Speaker 14 (18:06):
Oh one hundred percent. And no disrespect to the young
lady who just got off the call. But I do
believe at the end of the day, there's the responsibility
of the parents and tandem with the teachers and the
student to make the priority of the education first. That's
the whole purpose of going to school, that's the whole
that's that's what we do. So you know, yeah, I think.
I know for a fact I was not trying my
hardest and I was not doing my best. And I
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loved my parents. They were great parents, but like she said,
they were busy. They were doing a lot of other
things and the focus wasn't on that and it wasn't
on my education. So but it was it was totally
my fault, and I was happy that they decided to
for me not to go to PROM. So I ended up,
you know, hanging out with my friends after the fact.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
But yeah, well.
Speaker 3 (18:45):
I'm still out there.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
Hey man, I appreciate this perspective. And the truth is, Adam,
I don't know if if you'd gotten to pass on
all this, I don't know if you'd be calling saying
this maybe now you're growing up and more mature. But
the fact that you can now see that, I think
probably that decision and others like it played into that
right where someone just didn't let it go and said, no,
this is the rule and you didn't meet the standard,
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so you can't do it. That had to have helped
you as you grew. Oh absolutely.
Speaker 14 (19:12):
And to Keiki's point, it's set, it's set the proper
perspective moving forward, in my life because, like she said,
when you get out here in the world, the world's
not gonna treat you like that. You have to, you know,
take responsibility for your actions. So so yeah, right, you
right on right on board.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
Yeah, I appreciate you. Man. Have a great day, No, Frank,
you'll have good day. Look at that look that man.
Yeah he me real, Yeah he did value a lesson case.
Speaker 3 (19:34):
Close seat your standout business.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
That's right, I got you. The Entergym reported headlines, fun
facts all. Next Fred Show back into
Kiki's court. All rise, the honorable is here, Judge Kiki. Yeah,
it's your courtroom. Take it away, all.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Right, let's step into the courtroom. It says, Hey, Kiki,
am I wrong for preventing one of my senior students
from attending prom. I've been a teacher for ten years now,
and this is the first time I've had this issue.
One of my students has been a constant problem and
pain in my behind since this school year started. He's
a senior and this is his last chance to attend prom.
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While I understand how important PROM is to him and
his family, I can't understand why it hasn't been so
important to him and his parents that he passed my class.
Our school has a very strict GPA requirement for all students,
and unfortunately, he's been failing my class all year. I
repeatedly contact his parents and ask for their support to
come up with an action plan to help him. They've
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missed every meeting that we've scheduled, and they've ignored my
emails and calls until now. Now his mother is sending
me emails, leaving asty voicemails, and even calling our principal
to pressure me to adjust his grade in my class.
He did a huge prom proposal, secured a date, and
has been telling everyone that he's actually going.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
However he's not.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
I feel bad that I will be the cause of
him missing out on his senior prom.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
I feel bad for his date.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
But what kind of example would I be setting if
I let for my other students if I let him go?
Speaker 3 (01:24):
Am I wrong?
Speaker 1 (01:26):
Judge, Kiki? What say you?
Speaker 3 (01:29):
You know what?
Speaker 2 (01:29):
I'm always for the teacher, I am. I'm on the
side of the teacher in this case. I feel like,
what can not only what kind of example are you
setting for the other students if you tweak his grade?
But what are you setting him up for in life?
Because you cannot just fail all of your responsibilities and
then still think that you get to enjoy the reward.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
That's insane.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
Like, if you've been failing my class, you've been a
pain in my butt, so you've probably been very disrespectful.
I've been trying to contact your parents and work on
an action plan to help you get ahead, to help
you graduate, to help you get to prom, and they've
made no effort. But now that it's prime time, you know,
now your mom is calling. Now she wants to email.
You know, your parents have failed you and you failed yourself.
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You're a senior at this point, and if you're not
holding up to your responsibilities, there's the consequences to that.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
And I don't think she should feel bad about it.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
I agree, Judge Kiki, how wise, thank you wise and sound.
Here's a song forget about Let's go home. It's over
eight five five one oh three five. You can call
him text the same number. I mean, you could make
the argument that this is a once in a lifetime
thing and he'll go the rest of his life without
ever having gone to his senior problem. Now, you also
(02:37):
have to get good grades or passing grades at least,
you know what I mean, Like you you And that
was the thing. It's like you either meet this level,
this minimum requirement, or you don't get to go. So
you're right if you just say, now, well that thing
I said before, I didn't really mean that right? Right?
Speaker 4 (02:54):
Then?
Speaker 1 (02:54):
Why did everybody else work so hard?
Speaker 2 (02:55):
And I've seen teachers get this type of pressure, not
even just from parents, but from other minustration at the school,
especially for students who are sports players play you know,
the star basketball player, the star football player, it's almost
like to the teacher like, come on, man, you know
we need him, so give them the grade.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
And it's like, no, these they need to earn their grades.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
You can't just be us in class and not do
what you're supposed to do and then still think that
you should be allowed to go to Prome or allowed
to play play in the game.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
That's not how it works.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
And I feel like when we allow kids to do that,
we're setting them up for failure.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
You do them in disservice because in the real world,
nobody cares, nobody can know. It's like, if you don't
get the work assignment done, then you might get fired.
And that's your fault. There's nobody else's fault. That's what
you're supposed to do. Mm hmm yeah, yeah, I mean,
and let me see all these texts. That's his fault.
And he failed his date by not being truthful with
(03:48):
her and she probably already bought an expensive dress. That's it. Yeah,
that sucks for the date.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
Right, And I'm sure the mom was like helping him
play the Prome proposal, but you're not helping him get
his grades.
Speaker 5 (03:57):
That's the difference for me is that the parents weren't
cooperative from the beginning. Like so now I'm almost feeling
bad for him because like he may not have the
support system at home to push him to be able
to catch up to everyone else, to be able to
go right. Sure, if you were, you know, if the
parents were involved right from the beginning, when the teacher said, hey,
(04:18):
there's a problem and you're kind of getting you know,
the push from home and school and you're still not
doing it, then I might feel a little bit different.
But I feel bad that he might lose out on
like these memories just because you know, he might not
have the most.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
I've bet this happens a lot of I mean it
happened a lot because I bet teachers go home feeling
bad about what they weren't able to get their students
to achieve, when really it, while it is their job
to a certain extent, it's the parents' job to back
up the you know, the what the teachers to try
and do instill because it's not a teacher's job to
raise children, even though I think a lot of teachers
(04:53):
are doing it. But that must be really frustrating because
you feel like, I'm sure this this teacher feels like
she's failing the kid and she gets to well she
is feeling the kid, but he's failing. It's the class.
But like she gets to be the bad person here,
but she's going above and beyond to try and get
him to succeed. So I feel bad for the teacher. Urie,
(05:15):
how your how you doing?
Speaker 6 (05:17):
Hey?
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Guy?
Speaker 4 (05:18):
Something good?
Speaker 7 (05:19):
How about yourself?
Speaker 8 (05:20):
Hey?
Speaker 1 (05:20):
Good morning? Hey, thank you thanks for listening being part
of the show.
Speaker 9 (05:24):
Thanks Eddie and Jumble.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
Oh wow wow, I didn't know they worked here, but
God bless you the other place without business. So yeah,
so what's going on? What do you think about this
this court case? I mean, the teacher is trying to
save this kid in a lot of ways and get
him to perform, and he's not. And and there was
(05:48):
a there were there were guidelines, there was you know,
you had to meet this requirement or you can't go
to prom. He didn't meet the requirement, so he's not
going to problem and now the teacher feels bad about it.
Speaker 7 (05:59):
With the teacher Kiky.
Speaker 4 (06:00):
As parents and as a teacher, I help teachers before
you trust them so much for them to do their
own work, and if they cannot man up.
Speaker 7 (06:09):
Or do their job, as an adult. Technically, he's an
adult already. He should be responsible for his own self.
And if his parents are sugar coating him not able
to do his job, then there's no point out her
letting him. She's trying to let him go regardless, because
if she lets if she lets him past and just
let him go like that, she's sugarcoating his grapes, like, Oh,
it's okay, don't worry about that. Feel bad.
Speaker 4 (06:28):
No, there's no such thing as feeling bad or no
excuse it at all. I was just saying earlier, like
my daughter myself. I have a daughter, she's a summer
and having her TwixT sixteen this year. So I told her,
I know I haven't been there to help job, but
if you don't make up your grace, I will cance
your party and you're done. I know it works for
fort first, I argue, and then the parents not doing
(06:52):
the part either. That's therefore also so there's always a
teacher's part, but the parents do nothing that should have
been done the first place. Happening.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
You're I agree, Thank you, have a good day, Thanks
for listening.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
Keep standing on business man.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
Yeah, I mean that's the thing that you what about
all the other kids, all the other kids that performed
and worked hard. And then so now if this one
kid gets to show up to prom and the rest,
and then the teacher looks like, you know, she's a
pushover exactly, and she loses credibility with the whole room
over one kid because it was like, well, wait a minute,
so I guess I didn't have to do well. I
guess the rules don't apply. Hey Darien, good morning, good morning.
Speaker 8 (07:31):
How's it going?
Speaker 1 (07:32):
Hey man? What do you think?
Speaker 8 (07:34):
I think this teacher shouldn't feel bad at all. This
student made the decision themselves. They had plenty of time.
It doesn't even sound like the student is trying.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
Yep.
Speaker 8 (07:45):
Maybe there's a little bit of time and he could
beg or try to get all work done in a
few weeks or something.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
Yeah. Well, well the other thing is she's she's holding
his hand as it is. Yeah, you know, And that's
something else that's not going to happen in real life,
is that she's already sort of like nursing him through this,
like I'll give you extra help. I mean, I'll do
whatever I can, like I'll go I mean, this is
more than should have to be you know what I mean,
as far as the kid has an obligation to do
(08:16):
the school work, and the teacher shouldn't have to go
step by step by step by step to get you
to do it, because that doesn't exist in the real world.
No one's gonna do that for you. And so he
already has an advantage and he's failing at that too, right,
So yeah, hey Darren, thank you man, thanks for calling.
Have a good day. So already he's being coddled.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
Yeah, and she tried, even with the parents, like I've
been calling and emailing you all to set up an
action plan to just work with me here, like let's
do whatever we can. Let's be a team to support
this child. And they won't even make the effort. So
it's like and now, but now when we get close
to prom and you want to buy a dress, and
I mean, it sucks, and then you know the whole thing.
Now you have all the effort in the world. Now
(08:56):
you know my number, now you know my email address.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
That is unacceptab And so the parents are doing him
a disservice on a number of levels. Hey Kathy, Hi,
good morning.
Speaker 9 (09:06):
Yeah, Hi, how are you.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
Hey, Kiky's Court, what say.
Speaker 10 (09:09):
You yes, I'm just I know he maybe seventeen or eighteen. However,
you know, maybe he's you know, I don't want to
say a learning disability, but maybe he has you know,
my lady HD or some type of issue that's holding
him back or maybe not able to focus as much.
Speaker 9 (09:25):
Maybe his parents never looked into that either. Yeah, that's
a tough one.
Speaker 4 (09:29):
I don't know, you know, because it does.
Speaker 9 (09:31):
Think that his parents never you know, came to any
meetings or tried to talk to the parents, you know,
I mean they did. What I'm saying is the parents
never reached back out to the teacher, like like you said,
until now. So well, that's pretty much my outlook on it.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
Yeah, Kathy, maybe he does have a learning disability, but
he has the teacher's full attention, in fact, probably more
than most other students are getting, so right.
Speaker 9 (09:55):
And all, that's true.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
That so there Again, it's not as though she's saying, hey, hey, y'all, y'all,
you're on your own. Here's this. You better get an
A and I'm not going to help you. And if
you don't get an A or B or a C
or whatever, then you can't go to prom and I'm
not even going to assist you in this. No, she's
right there alongside him and he's still not getting it done.
Speaker 4 (10:15):
Well, that's true.
Speaker 9 (10:16):
Yeah, it was like maybe something's undiagnosed.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
It could be, could be, you know, but I mean
he's got he has support. So Kathy, thank you.
Speaker 8 (10:25):
Good day, Thank you you too.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
Glad you called. Oh I'm saying I think she was
saying something nice. Whatever you said, it was nice. Thank you. Hey, Sevanie,
good morning.
Speaker 4 (10:35):
Good morning.
Speaker 7 (10:35):
Hi Fred, love you guys.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
Hey, love you two. What do you think?
Speaker 7 (10:39):
I think?
Speaker 11 (10:40):
You know, prom is a once in a lifetime experience,
so it would be really sad for him to miss
out on it. But totally understand where the teacher is
coming from. In my opinion, the saddest thing about this
entire story is the lack of support at home. I
mean that's where.
Speaker 8 (10:54):
It all starts.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
Yeah, yeah, agree.
Speaker 11 (10:57):
My thought is, maybe throw the kid one last pail, Mary,
maybe some extra credit, and see what he does with it.
Hopefully he doesn't fumble the ball, but if he performs,
then maybe allow him to go. Just give him kind
of that one last opportunity.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
Yeah maybe maybe so, Thank you Stephanie. Have a good day.
Thank you guys, you too, because nobody wants to see
a kid miss that on that. But again, you're doing
you're doing the kid a long term disservice, right if
you just keep making it, you know, Okay, we'll forget
about that, that expectation. How about this one. Oh, you're
not going to meet that. We'll forget about that because
no one's gonna do that for you, the real the rule, right,
(11:32):
no one's gonna do that for you.
Speaker 12 (11:33):
And we mentioned too, like support coming from home, and like,
for a minute, maybe I'm thinking maybe there isn't support
at home, right, and that's where my mind kind of went,
and maybe like that's another place that you know, he
needs more supported and I totally agree. But then Kicky said,
the parents are coming up here for prom and doing
promposals and getting tuxes. So I'm like, well, then the
support's there, it's just in the wrong place exactly, you know.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
Yeah, they need to back the teacher up. And that's
what I feel bad for this teacher and for a
lot of teachers who, yes, who feel like we've had
him on the air before, we've helped with you know,
classroom wishless and stuff, and it's like they feel inadequate
because they can't provide the experience for their kids that
meets their standard. But it's not necessarily their fault. I
(12:13):
mean they it's not. If they don't have the budget
or they don't have the parental support or whatever. Then
they're doing the best they can and they don't need
to feel bad about their efforts because other people aren't
supporting them. But they do. Many do. We've heard them
on the show before. Hey Delilah, Hi, Hi, Hey, so
Kenny's Court. Just to recap here quickly, the teacher a
(12:37):
teacher has written in Tekiki saying, hey, look, I've got
a student who's not performing. I'm trying to help him perform.
He didn't meet the minimum expectations, so he can't go
to prom. His parents have been nowhere to be found.
Now all of a sudden, it's well, wait a minute,
parents are here going I want my kid to go
to prom? What are we going to do about this?
And so, you know, does she let it slide or
does she stand out business?
Speaker 13 (12:58):
I am situation because teachers like you were saying, like
they kind of have not a lot of control of
the education system that we have for kids, and I
think that the prom should not be tied to a
student's grades because students, I think are being failed by.
Speaker 6 (13:18):
The education system we have. I'm a big proponent for
like Montessori style education where teachers you have to master
something before you can move on. So what's to say
that this student has not it has been failed long
time ago by the school system where he's not at
a point where he can catch up and get his
grades up because maybe he's lost interest and even like
(13:43):
the opportunity to excel in school because he was lost
along the way years ago.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
So I think, but the parents to manage, like shouldn't
shouldn't As a parent, shouldn't you be watching the education
that your child's getting and if they're falling behind, or
or if they're if in fact they're being the school
district or the processes is negligent, then shouldn't the parent
be the one to step up and either supplement or
change the school or do something about it. I mean
(14:12):
that may be, but like you had the kid, it's
you set the standard. It's your job, right.
Speaker 6 (14:18):
That's true, But it depends what levels they're at, Like
what if both parents work, you know, full time jobs,
or they don't have that kind of support at home,
or maybe they don't speak the language, or maybe they
just you know, maybe they're from a different country and
they don't even know how the school system works here,
or you know, they're kind of putting it up to
(14:40):
the student to carry on on his own. So I
know it's a very different opinion, but I think I
think the school system has to change to where students
can they have to master something before they could learn
something else, instead of everybody learning the same information.
Speaker 9 (14:57):
Not everybody is going to excel the.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
Well fair enough to thank you, have a good day,
thank you.
Speaker 13 (15:04):
I'm one of the thirteens.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
Thank you, appreciate you.
Speaker 10 (15:09):
Coach basketball coach, I know who you are.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
Well yeah, yeah, you passed Paulina and I got some questions.
They have a good day, Thank you, Delia. I'm not
going to blame this on the school. It's not the
school's responsibility.
Speaker 14 (15:26):
You know what.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
There are issues with the and I'm sure teachers would
say the same thing that there are issues, but I'm
not blaming this on the school. And I think I
think that this would be doing a kid at disservice
on a number of levels.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
Oh yeah, and I see it happen so much. I
hate to keep bringing up with student athletes. I feel
like I've seen this happen a lot of times. And
then they get in the real world and they go
to college, right, and then somebody's doing their homework in college.
But the moment they get injured, now it's they have
no meaning to the school. You know, they they're not
they can't play because they injured themselves, they tore their
acl or whatever, and now they're just out in the
world lost because it's somebody past them all these years
(16:01):
and they don't know anything.
Speaker 15 (16:02):
Yeah, and parents like they're focused on their child. But
I have so much compassion for teachers because they're trying
to focus on all the children. So you know, these
pushy parents come in and it's like you're worried about
one kid. These teachers are trying to be empathetic and
you know, care about all these students and all these
different situations. There's got to be some compassion for the teachers.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
And she would appear she's already gone above and beyond
to try and say this kid, Adam, so this happened
to you.
Speaker 14 (16:29):
Yeah, good morning, are you doing Hey?
Speaker 1 (16:30):
Good morning man, thanks for calling. Of course.
Speaker 14 (16:33):
Yeah, I was this student and I was very appreciative
that the teachers and educators around me actually pushed me
to not go to prom and didn't let me go
because I was I was fooling around in school and
I wasn't doing my best, and me being a parent, now,
I definitely wouldn't I wouldn't do that for my child,
wouldn't want my child's teachers to do that. I mean,
(16:54):
the biggest thing that my principal said to me. You know,
I took it to like my pro the probo, the
dean and the principal, and tried to fight it, and
my principal looked at me and just said, listen, man,
the prom is a privilege. It's not a right, Like
that's something that's something that you've earned at the end
of the year from all the good work that you've done.
It's not a right to go to prom. That's something
(17:15):
that the school puts on to celebrate all of the great,
you know, accomplishments that the students and you all have
done and to commemorate the year and all of that.
And that's that's a privilege. And and yeah, so it's
not it's that's not what it's for. And then also
it kind of set you know, because I did have
people in my life who was like, no, you got
to go to prom, man, you got to go to prom.
Speaker 8 (17:35):
We got to fight this.
Speaker 14 (17:36):
But you know, I have people tell me like, you're
setting the wrong example, you're teaching him that it doesn't
your education is not the most important thing.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
Yes, well it's interesting more important, Adam, And I bet
you would agree with this. But if you had put
as much effort into school as you did into fighting
their decision, then you or these parents, if they had
put enough, if that same energy into trying to get
his greats up as opposed to now complaining to the teacher,
then you may not have been in that situation. I
would imagine you look back and you see it that way.
Speaker 14 (18:06):
Oh one hundred percent. And no disrespect to the young
lady who just got off the call. But I do
believe at the end of the day, there's the responsibility
of the parents and tandem with the teachers and the
student to make the priority of the education first. That's
the whole purpose of going to school, that's the whole
that's that's what we do. So you know, yeah, I think.
I know for a fact I was not trying my
hardest and I was not doing my best. And I
(18:27):
loved my parents. They were great parents, but like she said,
they were busy. They were doing a lot of other
things and the focus wasn't on that and it wasn't
on my education. So but it was it was totally
my fault, and I was happy that they decided to
for me not to go to PROM. So I ended up,
you know, hanging out with my friends after the fact.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
But yeah, well.
Speaker 3 (18:45):
I'm still out there.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
Hey man, I appreciate this perspective. And the truth is, Adam,
I don't know if if you'd gotten to pass on
all this, I don't know if you'd be calling saying
this maybe now you're growing up and more mature. But
the fact that you can now see that, I think
probably that decision and others like it played into that
right where someone just didn't let it go and said, no,
this is the rule and you didn't meet the standard,
(19:07):
so you can't do it. That had to have helped
you as you grew. Oh absolutely.
Speaker 14 (19:12):
And to Keiki's point, it's set, it's set the proper
perspective moving forward, in my life because, like she said,
when you get out here in the world, the world's
not gonna treat you like that. You have to, you know,
take responsibility for your actions. So so yeah, right, you
right on right on board.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
Yeah, I appreciate you. Man. Have a great day, No, Frank,
you'll have good day. Look at that look that man.
Yeah he me real, Yeah he did value a lesson case.
Speaker 3 (19:34):
Close seat your standout business.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
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