Cabernet and Pray

What if loving your neighbor means confronting someone else? In this episode, Jeremy takes a deep dive into a misunderstood (and rarely discussed) concept in Christian ethics: the paradox of tolerance. What happens when hospitality toward one becomes hostility toward others? And what if Jesus intentionally excluded people... for the sake of the vulnerable?

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Ever wondered what happens when two theologically curious podcast hosts bring their shows together over a glass of wine? Episode 47 is part divine disruption, part spiritual therapy session, and 100% a good time. Jeremy Jernigan sits down with Josh Patterson of Rethinking Faith to talk about reconstructing theology, open and relational views of God, and why some former pastors become bartenders. This episode is...

What happens when one of the most provocative theological voices of our time sits down with a glass of wine and reimagines everything? In this episode, Jeremy talks with Brian Zahnd about peacemaking, the prophetic role of the church, why evangelicalism may not recover, and what happens when we start to believe Jesus actually meant what he said. It’s bold, it’s challenging, and it’s full of grace. Plus, there a...

What if the only thing separating you from deeper faith… is your doubt?

In this episode, we uncork the connection between spiritual curiosity and our inability to see clearly — and why that’s not a flaw, but a feature of real theology. Jesus doesn’t demand certainty. He invites wonder.

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This week, we’re uncorking a bold conversation that challenges assumptions, celebrates authenticity, and dives into the complexity of faith and identity. What does it mean to be queer and Christian? You’ll hear personal journeys, tough questions, unexpected grace, and the beauty of holding space for queerness in spirituality. Whether you're in the pews or at Pride, this one’s for you.

Are there different ways to understand hell in Christianity? In this thought-provoking episode, Jeremy tackles one of the most challenging theological concepts that many struggle with. If you've ever questioned traditional teachings about eternal punishment or wondered if there are other interpretations supported by scripture, this episode offers a refreshing perspective that...

What if drinking wine was more than just a pleasure—it was a spiritual practice? In this episode, we sit down with theologian and wine expert Gisela Kreglinger to explore the deep connections between wine, faith, and community. Growing up in a German winery, Gisela brings a unique perspective on how wine shapes our conversations, our celebrations, and even our theology. From the role of wine in biblical times to the way it...

Is karma real? Or does Jesus operate in a way that turns our sense of fairness upside down? In this episode, we dive into one of Jesus’ most radical parables from Matthew 20, exploring why fairness might not be the point—and why that’s actually good news. Grab a glass of wine and join us for a thought-provoking discussion on grace, justice, and what it really means to follow Jesus.

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Join Jeremy and Tim Whitaker, founder of The New Evangelicals, for an unfiltered and entertaining conversation tackling tough topics in faith, church culture, and beyond—all while sipping on wine. Whether you're wrestling with your faith, navigating church hurt, or just curious about new perspectives, this episode delivers humor, depth, and a lot of honesty. Don’t miss Tim’s unforgettable attempt at opening his first bottl...

What happens when the God of the Old Testament seems unrecognizable next to the Jesus of the New Testament? In this thought-provoking episode of Cabernet and Pray, we tackle what Jeremy calls “the worst chapter in the Bible,” Numbers 31. Together, we confront the shocking themes of revenge, violence, and divine commands that seem incompatible with the love of Jesus. With a glass of Sokol Blosser 2021 Pinot Noir in hand, we...

Can you love Jesus so much that it leaves others feeling unloved? In this episode of Cabernet and Pray, we unpack a poignant quote from A.W. Tozer’s widow that has sparked a surprising amount of debate among Christians. Join us as we dive into what it truly means to balance a love for God with a love for others, all while sipping on a gorgeous 2021 Archers Crest Pinot Noir. This episode will surely challenge your perspecti...

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In this episode, we explore the creative expressions of the church with Mark McKinney, an innovator who is challenging traditional church structures. We dive into the unpredictability of faith journeys, the critical need for true discipleship in modern Christianity, and the fascinating intersection of faith and technology.

Mark shares his experiences leading Reunion, a trauma-...

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Today we're diving deep into the complexities of faith, politics, and personal transformation with our guest, April Ajoy. April, an author and content creator known for her book "Star Spangled Jesus: Leaving Christian Nationalism and Finding a True Faith," joins us to unpack the deconstruction movement among white evangelicals questioning their support for Trump, especially post-20...

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Interested in staying in one of our short-term rentals in wine country? Click here to see our two homes.

In today's episode, Jeremy shares some exciting personal updates, including the opening of a second rental property in Oregon wine country, the charmingly named "Vino Victorian." But the core of today's episode dives into a profound and possibly controversial re-examination of a...

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We're thrilled to have Andrew Whitehead, an esteemed professor of sociology and author of "American Idolatry: How Christian Nationalism Betrays the Gospel and Threatens the Church."

In this episode, we dive into the complex world of Christian nationalism in America through Andrew's insightful lens. We explore the idea that changing minds often requires more than cold, hard facts; i...

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In this episode, we’re diving deep into the fascinating intersection of faith and technology, responding to your comments and critiques about our previous discussion on the ethics of robots. From accusations of irrelevance to insightful parallels with historical exclusion in Christianity, we...

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In this episode, Sean Palmer, author and teaching pastor at Ecclesia Houston, invites us on a thought-provoking journey discussing memorable wine experiences, evolving beliefs about wealth, and the pressing challenges facing Christianity in America. Sean reflects on faith, aging, and death in a post-COVID wor...

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Today we dive deep into the fascinating intersection of spirituality, philosophy, and cutting-edge technology with a very special guest—Joshua K. Smith. Josh is not just a cybersecurity analyst but also a theologian, former pastor, and insightful author.

As we sip on exquisite wines—Jeremy with a crisp 2021 Rex Hill Pinot Noir Rosé, and Josh enjoying a 2021 Chardonnay from The...

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We're celebrating a significant milestone—our 30th episode!

We talk with Brit Baron, speaker, storyteller, and author of the compelling new book, "Do You Still Talk to Grandma?" Brit reflects on her journey of evolving beliefs and personal growth, touching on the psychological concept of cognitive closure and how it shapes our decision-making and beliefs. We'll discuss distinguishi...