11 - What the Helleven

The theme this week is "cannibals" and it gets gross when Karen discusses murder and mayhem on a Greyhound bus, and Georgia goes classic with everyone's favorite nasty old man, Albert Fish. Plus lots of shit talking and staying sexy, as always.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:15):
Okay, we're recording.

Speaker 2 (00:17):
We're recording a podcast. We're recording. Yeah, everybody, clear your throat.
What's your name? My name's Karlgara. Cool, what's your name?
Georgia hard Stark? And what are we here to do?

Speaker 1 (00:31):
Talk about Moita?

Speaker 2 (00:35):
Let's do accents the whole.

Speaker 1 (00:36):
Time, Zicky, Oh my god, I'll do British.

Speaker 2 (00:40):
Okay, I'm gonna have to slide into it. It's gonna
take a while. I really have to concentrate. Hello, governor,
what do you got a murder for me? Shoot? Shoot?

Speaker 1 (00:54):
Hi? Everybody, Hi, Welcome to My Favorite Murder with. This
is Karen and Georgia and we're.

Speaker 2 (00:58):
Here to talk about your favorite murders and ours. Yep,
that's all yours. If you just found this randomly, if
you were just entering random words on iTunes and you
found our podcast, welcome, you might bum out.

Speaker 1 (01:12):
You might get bummed out there are or you might
fall in love fall in love with murder?

Speaker 2 (01:18):
Trigger warning?

Speaker 1 (01:18):
Should do?

Speaker 2 (01:19):
Trigger warning?

Speaker 1 (01:19):
Yep, uh, murder clearly if you didn't figure that one out.

Speaker 2 (01:23):
And peanuts peanut warning, oh peanut yeah, yes, not liff again.
There's also several large.

Speaker 3 (01:32):
Penises in this podcast. Keep your eye peeled.

Speaker 1 (01:36):
Um. Okay, so before we get into this week's favorite murder, Oh.

Speaker 2 (01:41):
George's got some papers, She's got some serious business over there.

Speaker 1 (01:45):
Well I want to discuss. Okay, So we have a
Facebook group for my favorite murder that is unbelievably awesome,
pretty great. Twenty two hundred people. Now wow, this is
there eleventh episode. I like have twenty two people. Nope,
twenty two hundred people, and for the most part they're cool.
I had to kick a guy out this week. He
was being a creeper. He's being a creep?

Speaker 2 (02:06):
Is it the guy that posted the thing about how
to check yourself for ovarian cancer? What did you see
that thing?

Speaker 1 (02:13):
It was probably him. He posted like, hey, you guys
like beards are like, what do you do? The guy's
following you at night? Like really inappropriate? Oh it's just weird. Yes,
And the majority of the people in the group are female,
and they were all like, hey, Georgia, can you kick
this guy out?

Speaker 2 (02:27):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (02:28):
So I kicked him off, and then someone wrote something
about like politics, and I deleted their post, but I
didn't delete them so, oh, because you just didn't want
to have it be a thing.

Speaker 2 (02:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:40):
Yeah, So I wrote a thing like, let's just talk
about murder everything.

Speaker 3 (02:44):
Yeah, it's we're not there to have it.

Speaker 2 (02:46):
I'll turn into anything really except for a forum for
what everybody's creepy funny interest is.

Speaker 1 (02:54):
It's funny that in a Facebook group writing and talking
about murder, I have to be like, you're inappropriate.

Speaker 2 (03:03):
You have to be.

Speaker 1 (03:04):
So inappropriate to get kicked out of a fucking murder group. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (03:09):
Well but the other thing too, what I found and
I was on there for a little while, and then
I told Georgia the story of how I I'm so
afraid because I went back to Facebook and I don't
want them to alert all my lunatic like navy that
the people that I went to camp with who made
me leave in.

Speaker 3 (03:25):
The first place.

Speaker 1 (03:26):
Yeah, Karen's man.

Speaker 2 (03:28):
I was afraid it was going to go through all
my email addresses and just be like, yes, guess what everybody.

Speaker 3 (03:33):
So I tried to change my email.

Speaker 2 (03:35):
Anyway, what ended up happening is I got locked out
of my own new Facebook on that thing. So I'm
it bums me out because I was on there for
like three days going crazy. I mean, like I wanted
to comment on what everybody was talking about.

Speaker 1 (03:48):
I have liked it's getting overwhelming, but there's so many
great There's so much great shit and you can just
like post one little thing and everyone just writes stuff
and people are so.

Speaker 3 (03:59):
Funny and smart.

Speaker 2 (04:00):
See. That's the thing is that, like I think maybe
a creeper or an outsider of any kind, it just
chows immediately because everybody's just on task to man or woman,
everybody there is there to have very specific types of
conversations and they're not even all about murder, no, and
they know their shit. Like one person will be like.

Speaker 1 (04:18):
You get a lot of of posts saying like what
was the murder that triggered it for you and that
made you obsessed with it? Or what was you know
the hometown murder thing is people are obsessed with that. Yeah,
it's like a lot of really smart questions and then
really smart answers. It's great and I think, yeah, as
soon as some guy was like writing something that clearly
had nothing to do with it, people were annoyed.

Speaker 2 (04:39):
Well, and also that's like a weird dude that walks
up to you and your friends at a bar of like, hey,
when you guys think of beards where it's like we think,
go fuck yourself and they.

Speaker 1 (04:47):
Don't get it.

Speaker 2 (04:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (04:48):
I've had Yeah, I've had those. I'm not nice about
that anymore. You comfy?

Speaker 2 (04:54):
Yes, well it was. I realized that I was facing
I was perpendicular to you, like looking at you out
of the corner my eyes.

Speaker 1 (05:00):
That's kind of like to talk to people.

Speaker 2 (05:02):
That's kind it's kind of I wasn't trying to be coy.

Speaker 1 (05:05):
Oh to tell you this, I am listening to and
I know you are too. And then you must remember
this podcast about Charlie Manson.

Speaker 2 (05:11):
Yes, like a seven part it's a seven parter. The
last episode I listened to was Dennis Wilson.

Speaker 1 (05:17):
I have that right now.

Speaker 2 (05:19):
Oh, I love it. How many celebrity name drops are
in that?

Speaker 1 (05:22):
So many?

Speaker 2 (05:23):
It's hilarious. It's like Angela Lansberry's daughter hung out with
the Charles Manson family and like would charge food on
her mom's credit card until Angela Lansbery was like, cancel
the card, get the hell out of there.

Speaker 1 (05:36):
Do you ever reconcile that you thought Charlie Manson was cool? Like?
Do you ever reconcile like Anne Rule thinking that Ted
Bundy was a nice guy. I don't think you ever
can trust yourself again or is it like a compartmental Lizning.

Speaker 2 (05:51):
No, you can't. Here's why I think you could. First
of all, Angela lance Berry's daughter was very young. She
was probably in her early twenties, if not teens. Okay,
so you get a pass. If you're young and dumb
and it's summertime and you're probably on acid. Anybody with
long hair and like a weird take on life is
going to be interesting to you.

Speaker 1 (06:10):
I bet it's funny how in the past episodes you
and I've been like, well, how close have you been
getting murdering? You're like one time I walked to my
car alone and like angel lance burd stars like well,
I used to fucking take acid with.

Speaker 2 (06:19):
Charlie Makeing, chilled out with Charlie Manson for a summer
before I went to Europe. But Anne Rule has like
the perfect excuse because Ted Bundy was the ultimate You
had to really hang out with Ted Bundy before you
caught on. But something weird was happening. He had his
act down. Pat good for him, So what you supposed to?
I mean he cared, He acted like he cared about her.

(06:42):
He wasn't like a creep to ann Rule.

Speaker 3 (06:43):
He was sweet to her.

Speaker 1 (06:44):
You kind of wish like standing in front of us
right now, we're like, Okay, let's say there's like five
dudes and one of them is sociopath. Do you think
after taking them for like, you get to ask each
one three questions? Yeah, do you think you could pick
out which one is a sociopath?

Speaker 2 (06:58):
I think Well are hard though, because their whole game
in life is to win, to beat people, to be right,
So they want they want to trick you.

Speaker 3 (07:08):
They're going to do anything they can.

Speaker 1 (07:10):
So like get I would think that the nicest dude
or the most normal seeming dude would be the sociopath,
and they're like, no.

Speaker 2 (07:16):
Dude, the emo kid in the corner. Because do you
accuse Vince of being a sociopath all the time because
he is?

Speaker 1 (07:21):
No, because he's he's nice, but he like he's not
a pushover.

Speaker 3 (07:25):
Oh oh oh got it?

Speaker 1 (07:26):
Got it? Yeah, But that reminds me. Okay, I put
up in the Facebook group because remember a couple episodes ago,
we talked about how you hate nine one calls yeah,
And we talked about how when a husband kills his
wife and then calls nine one one and pretends like
he didn't do it. Yeah, And I was like, can
you guess which one was real which one wasn't? And
I said I could, right, Yeah, And so we have

(07:48):
to wait tell Dustin's recording us next time because Ustin's
not here, because I need someone to play. I don't
want to listen. I want us both to play. I
got a bunch of people to fucking put nine one
one calls in the comments.

Speaker 2 (07:58):
No, I'm a face of our Facebook, so we can
actually play the game he made up. So we're gonna
have listeners.

Speaker 1 (08:05):
I mean, it sounds like the worst game in the
history of the world.

Speaker 2 (08:08):
Should we wait till Halloween for some terrible holiday that's scary?

Speaker 1 (08:13):
There is enough that we could do it every fucking
day of our lives, which is so fucked up. I
don't want. I don't know what we're gonna we have
to do for science podcasting.

Speaker 2 (08:21):
It's Here's the thing, though, It's because when you listen
to a person talk like that, it sends alarm bells.
It's like very I want to say reptilian, but it's
like it's it's old. It's like alarm bells go off
of like if a man shrieks. That's an unnatural sound. Definitely,
they're not supposed to make that sound.

Speaker 1 (08:42):
I feel like we're gonna have to both close our eyes,
give ourselves down on the ground, kill ourselves.

Speaker 2 (08:49):
And then put some stuff in our ears. Terrible, horrible,
hilarious game that I might do one round day. We'll
have dustin pick three hours.

Speaker 1 (09:01):
One of them will one of them will be real,
so we don't have to listen to too many real ones. Perfect, okay, nice,
They're never real and everyone builds their wives.

Speaker 2 (09:11):
It's a very common practice.

Speaker 1 (09:15):
What else?

Speaker 2 (09:16):
Oh I was going to say? Last week I called
that podcast the Right Crime Garage about ninety times it's
called the True Crime Garage.

Speaker 1 (09:24):
And they comment and we're like, hey, guys.

Speaker 2 (09:27):
Did they comment? Didn't you see?

Speaker 1 (09:28):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (09:28):
I think it was them. I was locked out, remember,
locked out of face?

Speaker 1 (09:31):
No, no, on our Twitter, my favorite murder at Twitter. Twitter.

Speaker 2 (09:36):
They talked to us directly. I have been off social
media because this goddamn job, this goddamn awesome job. Yeah
it's not McDonald.

Speaker 1 (09:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (09:47):
They commented and were like did they say get our
name right? Were they met? Like lowell?

Speaker 1 (09:51):
Thank you?

Speaker 2 (09:52):
Oh good? Okay, thank god? Jesus. Wow, we have a
real reach. Speaking of which we found out, Oh my god,
Dustin sent us a picture. Go ahead, you to do it.
He sent us a little screen grab.

Speaker 1 (10:07):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (10:07):
And we are number seventy five on the iTunes podcast list.

Speaker 1 (10:12):
How many podcasts list?

Speaker 2 (10:13):
Is it comedy? Yeah, which is fucking huge. It's humong us.
We've done this once a week for eleven weeks.

Speaker 1 (10:20):
That's not a lot.

Speaker 2 (10:22):
Thank you so much, you guys. Whoever. Here's what I
love is when people no, I no, only can see
it on Twitter because I've been locked out of Facebook,
goddamn Facebook. But but on Twitter, what I love is
when people are like, you would like this, and it's
it's our you know, listeners, recommending and telling people from

(10:43):
everybody's doing a lot of great. It's like we've got
a street team.

Speaker 1 (10:45):
Totally. Was telling me that the way you get your
numbers up and the way you get in those lists
is that is people rating and reviewing and then downloading too.
But you have to download from iTunes to get those now.

Speaker 2 (11:00):
Okay, but like if you're doing it for early.

Speaker 1 (11:02):
Apple, you know, so if you have a podcast thing,
which I do.

Speaker 2 (11:05):
So they register it. Yeah, Well, thank you for doing it.

Speaker 3 (11:08):
Everybody.

Speaker 1 (11:09):
Thanks guys.

Speaker 2 (11:09):
It's really exciting and a huge compliment.

Speaker 1 (11:12):
For a podcast with two female hosts, neither of which
are married to big podcasting big wigs, comedy big wigs.

Speaker 2 (11:21):
No offense to those who are careful flame war I
need to edit that out. I don't think so.

Speaker 1 (11:27):
It just depends on how you meant it, or have
a famous or male comedian on the podcast with them.

Speaker 2 (11:34):
Look at the at the end of the day, two
girls who are talking about the one thing that they
thought they weren't allowed to talk about, which is loving murder,
and it's working out nice. We're glad that.

Speaker 3 (11:44):
People like it.

Speaker 1 (11:45):
Did I just flame war so hard?

Speaker 2 (11:46):
You did not there could There's so many people that
could have been I know, truly, and I don't care.
That was George. That was Karen who said that.

Speaker 3 (11:54):
I mean, yeah, that's all me.

Speaker 2 (11:56):
Karen. It's your turn?

Speaker 1 (11:58):
Is it my turn to first? If you want, I'm
happy to.

Speaker 2 (12:01):
With you guys. This week.

Speaker 1 (12:05):
Our theme is cannibalism, which I think I didn't realize
how raff it was going to.

Speaker 2 (12:10):
Be so well, and I kind of touched on it
last week with my the Vampire staff Meno but he was.
I mean, there's what I realized in reading is yes,
it's rough, it's super gross to read, and there's all
different kinds.

Speaker 1 (12:26):
I have something to read Karen about When I was like,
I don't know about cannibalism, and you said, and you
texted me back, hold on, let me see here. I said,
what if the U we were talking about, maybe I
gon'll be cannibalism, And I said, what if the theme
is what if they're innocent? And you wrote, I feel

(12:46):
like cannibalism would be easier for me.

Speaker 2 (12:52):
Yeah. I didn't want to have to do a bunch
of like, yeah, will they won't they? What I enjoy
is when you know for a fact someone has murdered
twelve child.

Speaker 1 (13:01):
Like human flesh in their ovens some.

Speaker 2 (13:03):
Horrible Yeah, I like deep horror as opposed to like
could he be in jail? And that's just sad, But
but also I meant it because it's like I basically
off the top of my head, was like, well, there's
classic Albert Fish. Everybody you know that's that that thing
of like he's you know, he's an all star.

Speaker 1 (13:23):
So when there's Dahmer, everyone knows Domer.

Speaker 2 (13:25):
Everybody knows Dahmer, and if you haven't heard last podcast
on the Left's Dahmer. I think it's a three part series,
two or three part. It's very perfectly researched, of course
Marcus Parks, but also hilariously funny.

Speaker 1 (13:40):
I gotta say about speaking of were talking about You
Must Remember This and Dahmer. I don't care about either
of those cases.

Speaker 2 (13:50):
Manson R.

Speaker 3 (13:50):
Dahmer.

Speaker 1 (13:51):
I'm really bored by arrest. You must remember this.

Speaker 2 (13:55):
I know that's as an podcast out tonight.

Speaker 1 (14:01):
As a story.

Speaker 2 (14:02):
You're just like, like, I don't like anything, but when
children no no, I one hundred percent agree with you
that somebody I think on Twitter recommended the you Must
Remember This Manson series and my sass remark back immediately
was I don't like hippies. It's someone that I know
or talk to. So what we're like to mean, But

(14:23):
that's my thing is that, yeah, Charles Manson is it's
just random. And then Jeffrey Dalmer is just like one
guy being gross and I like more of a planning
processing a true serial killer.

Speaker 3 (14:37):
Oh, I guess he was in that way.

Speaker 2 (14:38):
But like as I've said a million times, I tend
more towards like seven the movie seven, where it's like notebooks,
weird shit hung in your parts massive, Well, he had
shit all over. I guess I'm.

Speaker 1 (14:50):
Less interested in serial killers these days than I am
in either one off murders or even multiple murders, but
not a serial killer. I just don't think I'm as
interested anymore in in that as much as people who
fucking snap. I guess sociopaths and psychopaths bore me because

(15:13):
there's no explanation, there's no like understanding them. I hate
being so far away from I hate saying I don't
understand at all how they could have done that. I
want like a, well, I've been pissed off, or I've
been with this person who is a psychopath, Like I understand.

Speaker 2 (15:30):
That's fascinating because I'm exactly the opposite. That's why this
is a perfect second Yin and Yang Karen just saying something.
I have to do it. It's It's one of my
oldest habits.

Speaker 1 (15:42):
I love it.

Speaker 2 (15:44):
Yeah, I guess I like the psychological what the hell
is going on and people don't really have the answer.
I like the fact that the human brain is such
a mystery. Yeah, and what is what's behind everything? I don't.

Speaker 1 (15:57):
I don't like when the trial is open and clothes.
I want it to be so complicated and so insane
and weird and circumstantial and this and that that we
don't really know completely. And also it was like a
temporary insanity or you know, which I don't believe in
it all.

Speaker 2 (16:16):
But I also like when we were talking about the
Staircase stories like that, And if you haven't seen The Staircase,
it's a documentary series. It's amazing and you should definitely
see it if you care about true crime because.

Speaker 3 (16:28):
It's got everything.

Speaker 2 (16:30):
What I love about it is it's something great to
talk about, Like everyone I know has a completely different opinion,
and there's still new stuff coming in the thing about
the blood spatter expert just being a complete fraud is amazing,
and it's like it's the story's always developing.

Speaker 1 (16:46):
That's what I did like the Jinx is that he
killed circumstantially. He killed because the circumstances demanded it. His
wife was going to leave him, his neighbor was going
to snitch on him, his best friend and was figuring
shit out.

Speaker 2 (17:02):
Yeah, so he.

Speaker 1 (17:03):
Had to kill it, you know, Like I mean, he
didn't clearly, but I love that that person's brain thought
these ways. He wasn't a psychopath who enjoyed murder. It
was like this, he's such a fucking narcissist that these
were the that was the means to the end.

Speaker 2 (17:18):
But I think there's you could argue he did enjoy
some of it because he was so tricky when he
killed the woman who was his good friend. I can't
remember her name now, that whole thing where he flew
into like way northern California and drove down so it's
like I wasn't in Los Angeles, but just the.

Speaker 1 (17:33):
Fact, you know, he shot her in the back of
the head, meaning he couldn't look her in the face
when he killed her, true, because there were emotions there.

Speaker 2 (17:41):
Yeah, he knew her, and he like he had grown
up with her.

Speaker 1 (17:44):
Totally what a cree He walked her down the aisle
when she got hurried. Shit. Yeah, so he like little
things like that, you know. It's not like those little
things I think are the and this so the serial killers,
like even Ted Bundy, which I've read all about when
I was like fourteen and like, yes, very likely a
cult shit, But then got older and I was like,

(18:07):
this wasn't how life is. Life is ugly and weird
and creepy and spur the moment and you make it.
Bundy's beautiful, Ted Bundy is calculated.

Speaker 2 (18:18):
Oh yes, like organized right, Yes, yes, yes, I get it.

Speaker 3 (18:21):
Yeah that makes sense.

Speaker 1 (18:23):
And wait what about catalysm.

Speaker 2 (18:27):
Oh? I guess I was saying, like in the in
the first pass of looking at different all the choices
we had, and I know people were posting. So if
you whatever you find here, if it does it does
not satisfy, you go to our Facebook page because people
started posting stories what they like. And that's always a
great thing too, is that no matter what happens here,

(18:48):
there's a bunch of options on the Facebook page.

Speaker 1 (18:50):
Yeah, and sometimes on well, we'll have our murder. But
the thing that we're that either Karen and I are
focusing on is a part of it that we find interesting. Yeah,
like we don't have We're not going to tell you
from start to finish the murder.

Speaker 2 (19:02):
We can't do a seven part series. We don't have
the attention span.

Speaker 1 (19:05):
Sorry what.

Speaker 2 (19:09):
But I was gonna say, uh, you see how to
keep my cat is? I do? Like? Oh, I'm sorry
you were serious. I thought you were both well I
was just gonna say, I love you must remember this
because those ones that are like fully produced. She's got
music cues, her speaking voice perfect, The writing is amazing.

(19:30):
I just keep thinking of how she's She's taking so
much research and making it a fascinating story.

Speaker 1 (19:36):
She is doing a great fucking job. Yeah, just don't
care about Manson, But I'm going to listen to the
whole thing because it's still.

Speaker 2 (19:42):
I didn't say, right, I didn't think I cared about Manson.
I started listening to it because I had a long
drive home one night and I was like, I'm not
gonna listen to the radio. And by the end of
the first episode, I was like, I am in this.
I want to hear whatever you have to tell me,
because she folds in all the Angela Lansbury shit that
you didn't even know was in there in.

Speaker 1 (19:59):
The first the connections and like why he came to LA,
which is like I didn't understand, didn't know why he
in Los Angeles, and like what a fucking little you
know where he met a lot of the Manson followers. Yeah, Well,
but the podcast I love even more because it's there's
no explanation and it's empty as someone Knows Something. Did
you listen to a new episode? No, I'm not caught up,

(20:22):
my lord?

Speaker 2 (20:23):
Have you met at me? No, I'm like, I'm that
was a uh I.

Speaker 1 (20:27):
Can't deal with this podcast sigh because it's so good.

Speaker 2 (20:31):
Oh, oh, don't tell me.

Speaker 1 (20:33):
I'm not going to tell you, but you need to
listen to the listen. If you haven't listened to Someone
Knows Something, listen from the very beginning.

Speaker 2 (20:38):
It's the whole.

Speaker 1 (20:39):
It's crasin is one is about one story and it's
fucking incredible. It's really good.

Speaker 2 (20:44):
Oh. Also, I was gonna say, uh oh, people were
talking on the for the four minutes I.

Speaker 3 (20:50):
Was on the Facebook page.

Speaker 2 (20:51):
I'm just going to keep harping on it, like as
if I got kicked out on a personal level.

Speaker 1 (20:56):
But well, I did write a letter to Facebook. It
was like, can you get this bitch on it Facebook?

Speaker 2 (21:02):
There. At one point there was a whole thread about
people liking or not liking certain podcasts, and I actually
made this comment, but I don't think it ended up
on there, which is started my problem of how I
ended up getting kicked off. But what I was saying
is this is kind of the beauty of it. There's
a million true crime podcasts to listen to and you
and it really is like having to sit with people

(21:24):
for an hour. So like, I remember there was a
guy on the Facebook page that talked about how he
didn't love our female ramblings, and I could not stop
laughing because I was like, yeah, but it was like
it was as if he liked it anyway, where I
was like, well, what the fuck else is there of
not female ramblings on this fucking.

Speaker 1 (21:41):
Bar ramblings of being scared of being murdered when we're
walking on the street.

Speaker 2 (21:45):
But still my point is that everybody's looking for a
certain thing in a podcast, and so like I love
last podcast on the Left because it's all the comedy
I love, I adore Henry Sebrowski. Then you've got all
this fucking research, so you're really there's so much takeaway,
Like there's just all there's so many choices. So we

(22:05):
know that when you fly, you have a lot of
choices in the air, and thank you for flying with that.

Speaker 1 (22:10):
It is nice that like you can talk we talk
about I do like that we talk about other podcasts
and how much we like them, and we promote them
because you know, yeah, we're not the only ones. We're
doing something very specific, I think, yeah, and yeah, and
even like I guess lore someone did last week. Mine
was who put Bella in the witch Elm? And I
think they did it too last week. Yeah, I think

(22:32):
so so.

Speaker 2 (22:34):
But people love Laura. I keep hearing about it.

Speaker 1 (22:36):
I do too, but I guarantee it's not the same
thing that we did, and ours.

Speaker 2 (22:39):
Is probably no.

Speaker 1 (22:42):
All right, Oh and people love your Banksy comment, by
the way, which was what was that people were doing
graffiti about who put Bella in the witch Elm? And
you go, that's where Banksy started, right care.

Speaker 2 (22:57):
Let's get into cannibalism. No, let's keep on talking about
podcasting instead of actually doing it. That's what's really interesting.
So I'm basically saying that when I looked, it's like
Albert fish Check, We've we've heard about it, we know
about it.

Speaker 3 (23:10):
He's a fucking creepy old man.

Speaker 1 (23:12):
Then there was the guy I did ended out, did
you really?

Speaker 2 (23:16):
No? Yes, go on, did you really?

Speaker 3 (23:19):
I'm sorry, but I'm sure it's going to be great.

Speaker 1 (23:21):
Okay, go ahead, shit, sorry, I'm sorry.

Speaker 2 (23:25):
Now I'm afraid to say. My second example, but this
is I'm just saying my thinking. I was trying to
be exciting.

Speaker 1 (23:30):
I get it.

Speaker 2 (23:30):
You went classic, I did go classic. You did a classic.
I basically what I was saying is I don't I
didn't feel like doing the serious homework because Albert Fish
killed fucking four hundred people both. So I kind of
I summarized, Okay, good I went, which I think you
might like, because this is what you're just saying. You
like kind of a one hit wonder killer.

Speaker 1 (23:51):
Dig It.

Speaker 2 (23:53):
It's the cannibal bus killer from some Manitoba. And this
was the thing that I remember. It happened in two
thousand and eight. When it came on the news. I
was by myself and my house, of course, and I
was staring at the TV, like.

Speaker 3 (24:08):
What is happening?

Speaker 2 (24:10):
And so here in a nutshell if you've never heard it,
it's insane on a Greyhound bus and they were going
between Manitoba and Brandon, which I believe is a very
small town and it's a very long space between the
two cities.

Speaker 1 (24:25):
For stopping at food. Exactly, I'm hungry.

Speaker 2 (24:28):
It's just all these people on this bus and at noon,
a man named Vincent Lee got on the bus and
he went and he sat next to a guy named
Tim McClain. Tim was asleep, wearing headphones, listening to music.
He's a carnival worker and he was twenty two and

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at some point an hour into the trip. At first
Lee was sitting up near the front near the bus driver,
and then he went back and sat next to mcclin.
Then he pulled out a machete. Now he started stabbing him,
and he began to decapitate him.

Speaker 1 (25:05):
Have you ever seen a machete?

Speaker 3 (25:08):
No, in real life, aren't those like really big? They're
quite large.

Speaker 2 (25:12):
He had a concealed machete on his persons.

Speaker 1 (25:14):
Okay, so in decapitate him.

Speaker 2 (25:17):
So the bus driver everyone, of course, now this is
me uh filling in the blank.

Speaker 3 (25:22):
I would imagine started screaming. Sure, right, but you.

Speaker 1 (25:25):
Could probably do that quietly, Oh my.

Speaker 2 (25:27):
God, yeah, or like the staring where you can't scream
because you can't take in.

Speaker 1 (25:31):
I mean, he'd probably stab him, machete him quietly.

Speaker 3 (25:35):
Oh no, no he didn't.

Speaker 2 (25:36):
He didn't know because he was standing and everyone was around,
you know what I mean, Like.

Speaker 3 (25:42):
It's a bus filled with people.

Speaker 2 (25:44):
The bus driver pulls over, opens the door, everyone runs off.
There was they didn't. The chronology didn't seem clear to me,
but it sounded like a couple of the men and
the bus driver tried to go back to do something
about it. That's what I was gonna say. Yeah, and uh,
the killer had decapitated him and was holding his head up,

(26:07):
and so they got off the bus.

Speaker 1 (26:09):
Was decapitated, but was he was his head off before
he died.

Speaker 2 (26:15):
You die, You die once you cut that jugular, it
goes very quickly.

Speaker 3 (26:19):
And also he was stabbed in the chest and in
the neck.

Speaker 1 (26:24):
I fucking hate cannibals. This is hate this topic.

Speaker 2 (26:28):
This is it's a terrible topic. So and this is
I think the worst of I went. I went as
bad as you can go. I did too. Yeah, yours
is horrible, So let me get through mine. So sorry, no, no, no,
So uh they lock they closed the bus doors, and

(26:50):
they and barricade it somehow. I think someone said that
they threw up like a crowbar or something so that
the bus doors wouldn't open. The fucking guy vincently holds
out the decapitated head, and there's witness that eyewitness statements
that say that he looked completely calm, like nothing was
happening and held it out and they this one guy said,

(27:13):
dropped it on the ground. I don't know if that
meant he held it out of the bus window and
dropped it on the ground, but that usually Greyhound bus
windows don't work like that. So held it out and
then dropped it inside the bus or whatever.

Speaker 1 (27:25):
And he was completely calm, was.

Speaker 2 (27:27):
Completely calm, and then uh started banging his own head
against the window really hard, over and over and so
what what is happening? And this is as I was
putting this together, I was like, well, cops come like,
this is a this is a one off, this is
you know whatever, a crazy attack, like a berserk moment

(27:47):
the end. But they're so far out in the middle
of nowhere. It takes the cops. It's this happened. They
got on the bus at noon and the cops showed
up at eight thirty at night. No, so so I
think there were a couple like an hour or so
into this trip. But like they were, they had to

(28:10):
sit on the side of the road.

Speaker 1 (28:11):
I would have latered so hard.

Speaker 2 (28:13):
Well, yeah, you just fucking go running, but you're out
in the middle of nowhere. And what was that?

Speaker 1 (28:19):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (28:20):
Someone's gonna get that was a weird I think hopefully
it was laughing.

Speaker 1 (28:24):
It was laughing because my neighbors like to play beer pong. Okay, fuck, yeah,
we're fine.

Speaker 3 (28:28):
Jesus Christ.

Speaker 2 (28:29):
So no, it was. It was a mania cled. It
sounded like a human sized chicken.

Speaker 1 (28:37):
It was a maniacal human chicken cackle.

Speaker 2 (28:40):
And I'm just picturing this. So it's like you're sitting
there's so there's a guy having a psychotic episode, trapped
trapped on the bus, and so as he he's either
pacing back and forth on the bus or what as
they say in the Wikipedia article.

Speaker 3 (28:54):
Defiling the body.

Speaker 2 (28:56):
So I went into a couple of poor articles. I
know it's crazy, but he it was over for him fast.
I just let's both hold on to the family, like, no, there,
it's awful for them.

Speaker 3 (29:05):
It's terrible.

Speaker 1 (29:05):
Imagine living your life for twenty two years just to
be a defile on a graund bus of all places.

Speaker 2 (29:11):
I'm sure did other great stuff though probably I mean
to focus on that. But here's the thing. So he's
either because let's not go too far down that because
it's going to ruin this part where I say, where
is they? He was either pacing up and down or
defiling the body, which meant he poked out the eyes. Nope,
uh huh, he was cutting off body parts. When when

(29:36):
they when the cops finally got there and they finally
figured it was one thirty in the morning when they
finally tased him because they couldn't figure out how to
At one point, sorry, at one point the killer tried
to drive the bus away and the bus rider driver
had like a one of those things, like a remote
making the bus not drive away, you know those things

(30:00):
were people.

Speaker 1 (30:01):
Do you think people were watching? I feel like I
wouldn't watch.

Speaker 2 (30:04):
They said that people were sitting huddled on the side
of the road, crying and vomiting.

Speaker 1 (30:10):
Yeah, freaking out sounds about right.

Speaker 2 (30:12):
But you're like kind of stuck there. I'm sure you're
trying not to go away from it, and you don't
know where this guy's gonna go.

Speaker 1 (30:18):
Like I would are people driving by? Can you hitchhike?

Speaker 2 (30:22):
I mean maybe, but like you're also in a state
of shock. That's like the craziest thing to witness close up.
So when they got him off the bus, they had
to bag up the body. It was so badly attacked
and his nose, and his nose, ears and tongue was

(30:47):
in this killer's pockets, pockets, he'd put them in his pockets,
O my lord, and he had also been eating him
in that period of time. And at one point he
started screaming, I will be on this bus forever.

Speaker 1 (31:02):
What was so? What did we find out about him?

Speaker 2 (31:04):
So it turns out this was a man who had
very bad schizophrenia. He was a Chinese immigrant who moved
to Canada, who was like a computer engineer in China,
moved to Canada and of course had a bunch of
shitty jobs, three jobs at a time, doing a lot
of traveling. In two thousand and four, he started and
when he was like I think in his early thirties,

(31:26):
he started hearing the quote unquote voice of God. And
so he had already been picked up once before, for
like the voice of God had been telling him to
go here and go there, and like the cops vicked
him up. So but he didn't know what schizophrenia was,
and so he was untreated for any mental problem. So
when this came around, he'd already been doing a bunch
of weird shit. He had the machete on him, he

(31:47):
had sold his laptop for sixty bucks to a kid
at a bus stop.

Speaker 1 (31:51):
Well that's how you know he's crazy.

Speaker 2 (31:52):
He sixty bucks. It was a del but he and
he had become event that God wanted him to kill
because aliens were going to attack and it was the
only way that people could be saved. He had the
voice had told him that this guy is sitting on
this bus, he had to be killed to save everybody else.

Speaker 1 (32:15):
I mean, how do you argue with that? What reality
is subjective?

Speaker 2 (32:20):
Yeah, and he's he has no idea, like he's not
in anywhere close to reality anymore.

Speaker 1 (32:26):
Yeah, there's no break and be like, oh shit, I'm
not doing well.

Speaker 2 (32:28):
No, no, no, no, he's fully like doing what the
voices tell him mode. And on top of all of that,
I mean, not just like you've seen schizophrenic people on
the street. He's in he's way past that because he
fucking ate parts of this guy. So now he's so
that happened in two thousand and eight. The most recent

(32:49):
article I found was from February twenty six, twenty sixteen.
He has been in a mental hospital all this time,
and slowly but surely since he's been on this medication, oh.
When he was arrested, he just kept telling people to
kill him, so he was like he knew what he did.
He like became aware slowly, buttrilli, or maybe that was

(33:10):
in court when he when he first appeared in court,
he said, you should kill me. I want to die.
Then I read another interview with him that was from
like two years ago where someone said are you happy?
And he said no, and then he said I will
never be happy.

Speaker 3 (33:25):
But the most recent.

Speaker 1 (33:27):
Article that I can live with him that were being happy.

Speaker 2 (33:30):
Well, how could you be? I mean like, it's a
horrifying thing.

Speaker 1 (33:33):
And if you get sane, you have the realization that
you did this thing.

Speaker 2 (33:37):
Yeah, go on. So, yeah, he's in a prison, but
he just won the right to live on his own
and he's changed his name to Will Baker.

Speaker 1 (33:48):
Explain my face right now.

Speaker 2 (33:49):
Yeah, George's entire phace dropped four inches when I just
said he won the right to live on his own. Yeah,
they in Canada. It's like basically he's sly but trilli,
and he's thoroughly monitored. So it just means he doesn't
live in a group home.

Speaker 1 (34:03):
I just rolled my ass so hard my head hurts,
I know.

Speaker 2 (34:05):
It's you should see these Reddit, the conversations that people
are having between we, you know, mentally ill people need
to be able to learn to live in reality and
people going he ate this man's eyes.

Speaker 1 (34:19):
As someone with like basic run of the mill depression
and anxiety, I know that the first instinct when you
start taking pills and they work is just that you
say I'm fine now and you stop taking them.

Speaker 2 (34:29):
Yeah, yes, that's yeah, that's the instinct. And with this guy,
which several people argued on Reddit, when he stops taking
his pills, people get eaten and machet eed on a bus.

Speaker 3 (34:41):
It's crazy, It's very terrible.

Speaker 2 (34:44):
At the time, Greyhound was running an ad campaign that
was there's a reason you've never heard of bus rage
and they had to cancel.

Speaker 1 (34:52):
That campaign and also bullshit from the beginning. Have you
been on a fucking are exactly?

Speaker 2 (34:57):
The Greyhound is one of the scariest.

Speaker 1 (35:00):
It's one right in my life, and it was very pleasant.
It's from San Francisco to here. But I fucking know
how not normal that is. How old were you twenty seven?

Speaker 2 (35:10):
Because when I was like in eighth grade, I took
the Rayhund bus from Pedaloma to Yukaya.

Speaker 1 (35:15):
Your parents let you do that.

Speaker 2 (35:17):
Yeah. I think my mom thought it would be like
good experience or whatever, which is like, yeah, you'd think,
oh yeah, nothing can happen, Like what would happen? Anything
can fucking happen, especially anything, I mean whenever, especially.

Speaker 1 (35:32):
When we clearly have known from this podcast from the
beginning that everything terrible that has ever happened happens in
northern California.

Speaker 2 (35:38):
Yeah, that's it's there's like there's like the early meth era.
Oh totally. I mean we did math before anybody did.

Speaker 1 (35:45):
You and I are like original math heads were, which is.

Speaker 2 (35:49):
Why we got over it. Oh g meth Crew.

Speaker 1 (35:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (35:52):
Yeah, it's like biker math. Totally crazy. And there was
also Peta try to run an ad in the local
newspaper about comparing this murder to eating animals, and the
newspaper was like, ge, fuck yourself, which I love, Fuck yourself.
What I'm gonna say when someone's sneezing from yourself? Did

(36:17):
she just say she didn't just she did not say
that to me, And I guess in closing an insummation, Uh,
if you go read the details of this, there's what's
his name?

Speaker 1 (36:30):
Again? So we can look it up.

Speaker 2 (36:32):
His name. The killer's name was Vincent Lee l I
is how he spelled his last name l I, but
he has legally changed it to Will Baker now, and
I'm sure that people are there's death threats left, right
and center for this guy. So I don't it's such
a terrible scenario. But yeah, I feel like I was
trying to sess out my feelings on it. It's like, yeah,

(36:53):
I feel like after you machete and eat a person
on a bus, you don't You just don't get to
ever leave a mental hospital, even if your pills were no,
even if you're.

Speaker 1 (37:01):
Sad, totally, especially if you're sad.

Speaker 2 (37:04):
Yeah, this is okay.

Speaker 1 (37:06):
I gotta say part of the reason I did I
chose Albert Fish is because I didn't want to choose
someone who's still alive, because the majority of those people
who have fucking done this are out of prison. Yeah,
and I didn't want to piss off some satanic, fucking
vampire cannibalist person.

Speaker 3 (37:22):
Yeah, that makes sense.

Speaker 1 (37:24):
I highly doubt he can get a passport, though, So I.

Speaker 2 (37:26):
Feel really guilty about what I said about Albert Fish
because I couldn't be more interested.

Speaker 1 (37:30):
I don't care.

Speaker 2 (37:32):
I mean I care. Are you gonna stop texting me?
I need you in my life.

Speaker 1 (37:36):
I ad meant that I know that you. You weren't
being negative of it. Okay, the reason is there anything
you want to add to that? I'm sorry I cut
you off.

Speaker 2 (37:44):
No, no, no, no, just you know, watch out for machetes.

Speaker 1 (37:49):
That is a good one off one, because I do.
It is interesting that this person just they.

Speaker 2 (37:57):
Didn't just snap. No, No, that's untrue. A mental illness,
advanced mental illness. If you think God is talking to you,
if you think aliens are doing anything, you need pills.

Speaker 1 (38:08):
Listen. We all wish aliens and ghosts existed, but you're
probably just mentally ill.

Speaker 2 (38:13):
It could be that, or look even even if they
do or whatever. But if God is telling you stuff,
that's when you got to, like, you really have to
go to the doctor. Lee.

Speaker 1 (38:24):
If my cat tells me stuff all the time, oh,
I'm sure that's fine, but.

Speaker 2 (38:28):
It's usually when should we stop the podcast?

Speaker 1 (38:30):
Now?

Speaker 2 (38:30):
It's sweet stuff.

Speaker 3 (38:32):
Kill your name, kill your name in the sweetest voice.

Speaker 1 (38:34):
I love you. Kill your name, all right? So I
did Albert Fish because it troubled me so much when
I first heard about it because I think it was
like it was one of his first kidnapping was in
nineteen twenty four. So yeah, his first kidnapping was in
nineteen twenty four, which is like one of the earliest recorded. Nope,

(38:57):
it's just or an early kidnapping, which I'm alway fast.

Speaker 3 (39:00):
Then did you think I was arguing with you?

Speaker 1 (39:02):
No, I was going like, holy fuck, Like nope, I
thought you were shaking your head.

Speaker 2 (39:05):
No. I was like no, No, I was thinking about
like that's back before phone probably most people had phones
in their house, right, This is like so early days
of like if a kid goes missing, they're like they're
at their friends, will they Yeah?

Speaker 1 (39:19):
And because especially you know, these are all a lot
of people are immigrants. Child labor is a thing. So
kids kids aren't kids their tiny hands to do day
labor with.

Speaker 2 (39:30):
It's like the dark Ages. Yeah, nineteen twenty four. Yeah,
in New York City.

Speaker 1 (39:34):
Oh so yeah, so it's actually I'm sorry, it's Hamilton
Howard quote Albert Fish born in eighteen seventy. He's known
as the Gray Man, the Werewolf of Wisteria, the Brooklyn Vampire,
the moon Mania.

Speaker 2 (39:52):
And the Boogieyman.

Speaker 3 (39:54):
Oh he's the Boogeyman.

Speaker 2 (39:55):
Yeah, and I've heard a lot about him.

Speaker 1 (39:56):
Yes. So he was born, his mom put him into
an orphanage pretty early, and he was immediately treated statistically
so like he was like bread to be a serial killer.

Speaker 2 (40:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (40:12):
Then he began to enjoy the physical pain, which is like, oh,
you're double aciler. And then he remarked on his time
at the orphanage. I was there till I was nearly nine,
and that's when I got started wrong. We were unmercifully whipped.
I saw boys doing many things that they should not
have done. I don't know what accent I was going for.

Speaker 2 (40:29):
And that on entire thing I liked it was it
was a light British thank you. It was kind of
like a Katherine Hepburn thing, Oh.

Speaker 1 (40:38):
Thank you, you know high club. Yeah, I'm wearing pants,
so okay. So there's all this. There's all I'm gonna
paraphrase it. There's a lot of shit about him being
into weird stuff like drinking urine and learning about eating
bodies and how good it tasted, and like lots of
little things like that. And as a kid, as a

(40:59):
kid and grew up, he had he had six children
that he never physically attacked supposedly wow, which is Branana's,
although he did encourage them and their friends. How embarrassing
would this be to paddle his buttocks with the same
nail studded paddle he used to abuse himself. Sounds like
a real fun guy.

Speaker 2 (41:21):
Like, so you're at your friends. I was like, Hey,
come over and we'll play with this hoop and stick
like we like to in the twenties.

Speaker 3 (41:27):
And then the dad comes down.

Speaker 2 (41:28):
I was like, guys, come over here, paddle my butt
with with nails in a bore?

Speaker 1 (41:34):
How did that even?

Speaker 2 (41:35):
I mean, I'm telling, I'm telling, I'm telling.

Speaker 1 (41:40):
Yeah. Yeah. So he got into raw meat. He started
sufferings from psychosis.

Speaker 2 (41:48):
He got into raw meat.

Speaker 1 (41:49):
He started eating raw meat because he was like obsessed
with cannibalism. He felt that God was commanding him to
torture and sexually mutilate children.

Speaker 3 (41:56):
Ding dang red flat, Hey call.

Speaker 1 (41:59):
The cops on yours. Well. Yeah, So the murder that
really stuck out for me of him that I've always
was so troubled with, And when I think back about murder,
I think of this was Grace Bud. Basically, Fish saw
a classified ad in the Sunday edition of The New
York World that read young man eighteen wishes position in country.

(42:23):
So he basically answered an ad for someone needing work
in Manhattan. He visited the family under the pretense of
hiring this guy, and later he confessed that he was
actually going to kill this guy. And then he met
the daughter, Grace Bud, and was like, Nope, going to

(42:43):
kill this one and eat her instead. So let's see.
He met Grace, and he made up a story about
having to attend his niece's birthday party. And this is
the fucking time they just let her go with this
nicely dressed probably old man.

Speaker 2 (43:04):
Who came to their house to respond to a wanted ad.

Speaker 1 (43:07):
Yeah, but he had come a couple times, which is
like trusted best friends, yep, and like you let your
kids go places and that thing of like always trusting authority.

Speaker 2 (43:17):
Yeah, it's like, oh he's got a pocket watch, nothing
can happen.

Speaker 1 (43:20):
Yeah. My mom's doctor as a child made out with
her as a small child, and you because you just
and she didn't tell anyone because you just fucking trust authority,
You trust grown ups. Would I not have told that? Okay?
My mom? The last name is me, Yeah, that's you
just trust.

Speaker 2 (43:40):
Well, it's mind blowing. It's just mind blowing of like
a doctor. You would never I would never think that.

Speaker 1 (43:45):
Yeah, it's that thing of like I wonder would I
have said something back then? You know, if an older
person that doesn't thing inappropriate, you trust, you trust them.

Speaker 2 (43:55):
And if they're good, they know how to shame you
and to keeping your mouth shut totally.

Speaker 1 (43:59):
Well, he convinced the parents to let Grace accompany him
at the party that evening, and he Grace left with
fish and never returned, and then he sent them a
fucking letter. I'm going to read a part of it, okay.
So he was talking about cannibalism and about the olden
days and saying that there was a famine in China.
Meat of any kind was from one to three dollars

(44:21):
per pounds. So great was the suffering among the very
poor that all children under twelve were sold for food
in order to keep others from starving. A boy or
girl under fourteen was not safe in the street. You
could go in any shop and ask for steak, and
part of the naked body of a boy or girl
would be brought out, and just what you wanted cut
from it. This is why I had a problem with
cannibalism is the majority of it was with children.

Speaker 2 (44:43):
Yes and sorry. This is his letter to the sam
This is word for word part of his letter.

Speaker 3 (44:48):
I don't think I've ever read any of this before.

Speaker 1 (44:50):
That's fucking here. And then here's more. On Sunday, June third,
nineteen twenty eight, I called on you. I brought pot
cheese and strawberries. We had lunch. Grace sat in my
lap and kissed me. I made up my mind to
eat her on the pretense of taking her to a party.
You said yes, she could go. I took her to
an empty house in Westchester I had already picked out.

(45:11):
There's some fucked up things about it that I'm not
reading because it really they really really troubled me, more
so than him eating her. No, Basically, he said, how
sweet and tender her little ass was roasted in the oven.
It's so it troubled me to my core, and it
probably is troubling people listening to this right now, which

(45:33):
is why am I Why am I reading this one.

Speaker 2 (45:37):
Because everyone's already read it. Here's the thing about Albert Fish.
You read those first two you read the byline of
Albert fitz which is like cannibal molested and killed four
hundred children or whatever that crazy number is going to.
You're gonna get to this part no matter what.

Speaker 1 (45:52):
He was a fucking sadist, Yeah, like when it comes
to torture and molestation and all this and torturing the family.

Speaker 2 (45:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (46:00):
He wrote multiple letters to people he kids he'd kidnapped
their families. A psychiatrist described him as looking like a
meek and innocuous little old man, gentle and vanilla, benevolent,
friendly and polite. If you wanted someone to entrust your
child to, he would be the one you chose. And
if you look him up, which you can, there's a
fucking his mugshot and a couple shots from him in

(46:23):
the court. He looks like a little old meek man.

Speaker 3 (46:25):
I'm gonna look him up right now, do it, just
so I get the visual.

Speaker 1 (46:28):
He boasted that he had children in every state and
that one time stated that the number was about one hundred.
It's not known whether he was referring to rapes or cannibalism,
nor is it known if the statement was truthful. He
confessed to molesting more than four hundred children. Over twenty
years and is believed to have murdered somewhere between six
and fifteen children. He was, He confessed to all these

(46:52):
and he was electrocuted. When he was electrocuted and sing, sing,
he said that the electrocution would be the supreme thrill
of my life. Just before the switch was an assholes,
fucking assholes. Before the switch field flipped, he said, I
don't even know why I'm here, and legend has it

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and I think this isn't an a legend. This is
true that his execution took longer because he was really
into stuffing needles up his penis, that's right, And the
numerous needles inserted into his privates disrupted the flow of electricity.

Speaker 2 (47:26):
How on you know?

Speaker 1 (47:28):
How fucking orphanage and being raped and tortured as a child.
Are you looking at him right now?

Speaker 2 (47:36):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (47:36):
But there's also people. This is why I love the Internet.

Speaker 2 (47:38):
There's no his face is very disturbing. The eyes are
dead like, the eyes are no good. But then people
are making what look like inspirational posters.

Speaker 1 (47:48):
Because he looks like Albert Einstein a little bit.

Speaker 2 (47:50):
It's like he it says, none of us are saints.

Speaker 1 (47:52):
Albert Fish is the quote, he's a little like he's
a little Henry forty, Yes, looking exactly, you wouldn't know.

Speaker 2 (48:01):
And he does look his cheeks are all sunken, so
he looks like he couldn't do anything to anybody.

Speaker 1 (48:08):
Totally.

Speaker 3 (48:08):
That's hilariously hideous.

Speaker 1 (48:10):
Man. I'm so glad we live in these these days
and times when.

Speaker 2 (48:13):
You when you drive your children from your front door
to wherever they're going in back again, you don't ever
let your daughter greyhound bus to you?

Speaker 1 (48:23):
Kaya, Oh my god, are you kidding me?

Speaker 2 (48:26):
I would never It's so crazy.

Speaker 1 (48:29):
How old were you wh needed that?

Speaker 3 (48:31):
I believe I was twelve?

Speaker 1 (48:33):
So your niece is eleven, My niece is nine. Okay,
let's say she's yeah, in.

Speaker 2 (48:38):
Two three years that she's going to take she's going
to take a four hour greyhound.

Speaker 1 (48:43):
Did your sister let her do that? Never do come
and fucking smack your sister in the face.

Speaker 2 (48:48):
I would call the police on my own sister if
I don't even know what I would do. The funniest
thing is the greyhound bus, like the buses, is the
mode of transportation for people who have lost their driver's
license for some terrible reason.

Speaker 1 (49:03):
Yeah, like there's not great.

Speaker 2 (49:05):
It's not a great collection of souls.

Speaker 1 (49:07):
No. I mean, look at an airplane and that's expensive. Yeah,
it's a bunch of fucking assholes and braved human beings
and you can't.

Speaker 2 (49:16):
Taking their shoes off and sticking them on the.

Speaker 3 (49:18):
Wall in front of you.

Speaker 1 (49:19):
And then add to that that you can stop and
get fucking fried chicken and bring it on. Not that
I don't like fried chicken, but like.

Speaker 3 (49:24):
But it doesn't smell good after what?

Speaker 2 (49:26):
This is the thing. There was a guy that took
his shoes off next to me when I flew back
from New York, Nope, a couple weekends ago, and I
wanted to turn him and say, you are high if
you don't think your.

Speaker 1 (49:35):
Feet smell right in front of your face right now.

Speaker 2 (49:37):
Yeah, but you're you're clearly your shoes have been off
all day. This guy literally was like, take both shoes off,
like first time his shoes had been off in a while,
and they stunk, and I was just like, what are
you doing?

Speaker 1 (49:50):
Oh? And then he took out his machete and then.

Speaker 2 (49:53):
He stabbed me in the neck, severed my head, held
it out, dropped it on there.

Speaker 1 (49:58):
I hope we never get stuffed.

Speaker 2 (50:01):
Yeah, I hope you know what. I hope I never
And if you haven't seen ten Cloverfield Lane, I recommend it.

Speaker 1 (50:08):
It was a fir ride. Yeah, I want to see that.

Speaker 2 (50:11):
But here's a spoiler alert, so if this was gonna
bug you don't listen, Okay for the next fifteen seconds.
It has those things that makes me so angry in
a movie where suddenly someone gets t boned in their car.
It's like a real life car accident out of nowhere,
out of nowhere. That's what I hope doesn't happen to
me because it makes me so mad, Like when that happens,
and it when.

Speaker 1 (50:30):
They surprised the ship and it's.

Speaker 2 (50:32):
So fucking loud and it's so real, but it's glass everywhere.

Speaker 1 (50:37):
Yeah, that's why I hate. I was watching a TV
show the other day and it like there's no there
was no car accident in it. There was no reason
for me. It's like a togetherness on HBO, Like there's
no reason for there to be a car accident. But
the guy was not looking at the road so much
that I couldn't concentrate on what they were saying because
I was running for them to get fucking t boned.
Look at it, just look at the road, or like

(50:58):
have this conversation and not a.

Speaker 2 (51:00):
Yes or just people have conversations looking forward all the time.

Speaker 1 (51:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (51:05):
Wait, Albert Fish molested how many kids? Hundreds? Right?

Speaker 1 (51:09):
Yeah, he says that he he one time stated the
number was about one hundred. Um, he confessed him lessing
more than four hundred children over twenty years, so he's
probably lying.

Speaker 2 (51:24):
Yeah, how does he even get around that many kids?
I mean, although he did have six.

Speaker 1 (51:27):
Of his own, right, but supposedly he didn't quote abuse them,
But what does that mean?

Speaker 2 (51:33):
Well, but they but their friends would come on right
powering sessions.

Speaker 1 (51:37):
Well where did she was that his wife left him
and left the children?

Speaker 2 (51:41):
Do you think she was just so?

Speaker 1 (51:42):
I mean, who the fuck leaves their children with what
is probably a psychopath and she knows it.

Speaker 3 (51:47):
Yeah, that's horrifying.

Speaker 2 (51:48):
Only or she was just like I got to get out,
But you I wonder what happened?

Speaker 1 (51:53):
Like someone we know is an ancestor of Albertfish because
we've been in New York a lot, that's right, we
know a lot of people.

Speaker 2 (52:03):
That's true, Like he probably still has but that you know,
they all change their name this guy's so famo, but.

Speaker 1 (52:08):
Probably like there's someone who's like a third cousin.

Speaker 2 (52:11):
I want to talk about. How weird did it?

Speaker 1 (52:14):
Sorry?

Speaker 2 (52:14):
Go ahead?

Speaker 1 (52:14):
And I was like, I don't know what cousin, third
great cousin, I don't.

Speaker 3 (52:17):
Know, Yeah, some distant relative.

Speaker 2 (52:20):
Just how weird it is that somebody would get off
on eating someone? What connection? Like like when people get
molested and then they become molesters, it's because it happened
to them. They it's association or whatever. But like, you've
never eaten a person before, the first time you eat
a person's I.

Speaker 1 (52:40):
Would imagine in my mind it's this narcissistic it's the
ultimate taboo. Yes, that's true, and you're going to break it. Yeah,
and that this means you're on top. So yeah, that's true,
especially a child. That's what really about this cannibalism thing
is like so many parents who being their children that

(53:01):
I couldn't. It was very hard for me to pick one. Yeah,
just one.

Speaker 2 (53:05):
That's very Also, you know it's interesting. Have you ever
heard of the family sawny Bean, which was the Scottish
family that lived in a huge cave and they would
this was like in the sixteen hundreds, I think, and
they would pick travelers off of the road and so
people would go and disappear in like the I can't remember.

(53:27):
It was like the Scottish Highlands are northern England and
they end up the cops find this cave and it's
this huge family and all these bones and basically they
are just eating people or whatever. And so for years
I heard the story. It was like, that's so fascinating,
they should make a movie about it, blah blah blah.
I think they may have tried to well, of course,

(53:48):
because this is the era that we live in now,
it's always the era of that didn't really happen. And
apparently that was the whole sawny Bean family lore was
made up by the British, like British political people to
be like, this is what the Scottish are, like, that's
why they need to be savages. Yeah, there's savages. They

(54:09):
need to be invaded and they need to be ruled.

Speaker 1 (54:11):
Not surprised by that at all.

Speaker 2 (54:12):
Yeah, Lord sh i evants come in, Hige, we're talking
about cannibals.

Speaker 1 (54:20):
And then the door unlocked and there and pizza came in.

Speaker 2 (54:25):
That's how they get you they opened the door with
a key.

Speaker 1 (54:29):
That scary you.

Speaker 2 (54:30):
It scared me a lot.

Speaker 1 (54:31):
Okay, I'm going to read you a couple of things
or should we save it for the minisod?

Speaker 2 (54:36):
No? Do it?

Speaker 1 (54:36):
Okay? So I put I who was watching a murder
show today forty eight hours on ID? And uh they
said something that made me laugh? And so I put
it on the Facebook group and I said, does this
make you guys laugh? What makes you laugh?

Speaker 2 (54:52):
And it was.

Speaker 1 (54:52):
That they quote said life seemed to move a little
slower there when they were describing the town, which is
like fucking grizzly murder happened. Yeah, And I'm like, well,
if life seems to to move a little slower in
your town, chances are someone's going to get murdered. And
I said, whether other classic triggers? And here's what some
people wrote, So like the things that they say in

(55:13):
these murdered So think of this as in Keith mos
Morrison's voice quiet and unassuming means they're going to be
killing people. He mostly kept to himself, is deaf a murderer? Yeah,
this is what people wrote. She lit up a room
when she walked in. We're going to get murdered. He

(55:34):
was such a nice guy.

Speaker 2 (55:35):
Tot's murderer.

Speaker 1 (55:37):
She really did get along with everyone. Murdered, murdered, vivacious, murdered,
full of potential, murdered as hell. Unassuming equals assume murder.
Very successful father plus charity volunteering, tennis playing mom equals
one of the kids is going to off them for
the money. Yeah, she had everything going for her. That

(56:00):
suffered years of bad luck and shitty life circumstances, only
to find that lately everything is working out and that
life is.

Speaker 2 (56:05):
Indeed worth living.

Speaker 1 (56:07):
Murder quote from the outside it was picture perfect equals
dad is stealing money and everyone is about to be murdered. Yes,
if she loves to run, she's gonna get murdered like jogging. Yeah,
she had just turned her life around. She got off drugs,
got sober, and got a very good job. Equals she's
a goner.

Speaker 2 (56:25):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (56:26):
Yeah, if he'd give you the shirt off his back,
he's going to get murdered. Yeah he is. Someone wrote
Whirlwind romance equals Molly you a danger girl, instant best
friends with everyone. Never met a stranger means every says
every dateline opening ever, never met a stranger you meet

(56:46):
a fucking stranger. You do it all.

Speaker 2 (56:48):
You know what, you should meet strangers, You're an idiot.
Someone says it was such a nice night for sleeping
with the windows open, and then I'll read one more.

Speaker 1 (56:58):
Oh, he loved her very much and wanted to show
her the view from his favorite mountain peak slash hiking trail,
so that your smile better not light up a room.

Speaker 2 (57:09):
Oh, that's so true my version of that, but it's
not gonna be the poetic version. But it's just basically
the guy that's the doctor. Yeah, any doctor on any
of their shows. Yeah, the doctor did They always they
always kill everybody.

Speaker 1 (57:25):
Like super nice doctor with the rich wife. The maybe yeah,
maybe she's come from a rich family, and like why
are you getting into medical school? Yes?

Speaker 2 (57:35):
Yeah, And then he's got Now he's got a twenty
one year old and he's going to kill his wife.

Speaker 1 (57:40):
If one of you got if one of the married
couple got the other one into debt, the one who
got into debt is going to kill the other one.

Speaker 2 (57:48):
Yes, the one who owes yep.

Speaker 1 (57:52):
Yep, does the deed?

Speaker 3 (57:53):
Yeah, why not just kill him?

Speaker 1 (57:56):
So that means everyone get into debt before your level
one again. So there's a really it's a race worth
nothing to them. Why would they kill you and ask
for no money when you divorce them? Otherwise you're gonna die.

Speaker 3 (58:08):
That's hilarious.

Speaker 1 (58:09):
This is what we learned.

Speaker 2 (58:11):
That's like City Confidential isn't on anymore, but that's I
used to love that one because the narrative is like
it was a sleepy little town enclave. It was an
enclave and he always sounded a little drunk, which I loved.

Speaker 3 (58:24):
Well, that was the guy that was from Star Wars?

Speaker 1 (58:27):
Was it really? Yes? I should didn't know that.

Speaker 2 (58:33):
Well.

Speaker 1 (58:33):
Should we tell everyone where to find us? Yes, okay,
we are at what's your address?

Speaker 3 (58:40):
My home address is ka No Karen Kill Garretfit Twitter, kar.

Speaker 1 (58:45):
Kill Twitter, hard g Hard Stock of Twitter. Were my
favorite murder my favorite murder at Twitter. And then you
can email us your hometown murder, which we're probably gonna
do a little episode eventually of a bunch of your
stories at my Favorite Murder at Gmail. And please join
the facebook group at my favorite Murder Facebook group. I
don't know to close groups. You have to join to

(59:05):
fucking get into the murder action.

Speaker 3 (59:07):
Oh and here's an important thing that was making me laugh.

Speaker 2 (59:10):
People wrote this a lot if you are from Canada
or the UK or Europe of any kind. Yeah, there's
no you in Favorite, ye fool.

Speaker 1 (59:19):
People kept writing, well, I didn't realize you g I'd
spelled favorite incorrectly correctly, like, yeah, fair enough, we spent
we spelled it second.

Speaker 2 (59:28):
So.

Speaker 3 (59:31):
We already kissed their ass in the beginning for listening.

Speaker 1 (59:33):
You know what, we saved your asses in Vietnam. No,
I'm kidding on. That doesn't even mean it. Why did
I believe that we saved your asses in Vietnam and
the Korean War? We saved you.

Speaker 2 (59:47):
That is the best thing to say to somebody.

Speaker 1 (59:50):
The French person, We saved your ass.

Speaker 2 (59:52):
Oh, I thought you were talking about our listeners. You
know you guys, we saved your asses in Vietnam.

Speaker 1 (59:58):
Yeah, but to say to a French person, who who?
They have to hear that about World War two all
the time? Yep, which isn't true, and you just get
this the war wrong? Yeah, completely wrong. I love it.
We saved your asses in the Civil War.

Speaker 2 (01:00:11):
You should be thanking me, thanking me for your freedom. Uh, yeah,
I think that's all right.

Speaker 1 (01:00:18):
That's everything.

Speaker 2 (01:00:19):
Oh, tonight's the last episode of.

Speaker 3 (01:00:22):
The Simpsons.

Speaker 2 (01:00:23):
It's aka over.

Speaker 1 (01:00:26):
We're gonna watch you in danger girl?

Speaker 2 (01:00:28):
Are you in danger girl? Okay?

Speaker 3 (01:00:30):
You in danger girl?

Speaker 1 (01:00:31):
Okay, we're gonna watch We're both gonna watch that, and
then we're gonna talk about it next week. Yes, because
I bet it's gonna be good. Do you think he
gets off.

Speaker 2 (01:00:39):
If he does? What if they take it in a
new direction?

Speaker 1 (01:00:42):
I mean, why the fuck not.

Speaker 2 (01:00:43):
It's a creative reimagining.

Speaker 1 (01:00:45):
Yeah, all right, that's it for us. Thanks for listening
so much. Please rate, review, and subscribe and tell a
friend about it.

Speaker 2 (01:00:52):
Yeah, and most of all, stay sexy. Okay, bye, We
saved you in Vietnam Like