146 - Dawna’s Skinny Lighter

Karen and Georgia cover the case of Randy Mock and the Seattle Cyanide Poisonings.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:06):
Last Oh my god, oh hi, hi, welcome, welcome to
the not live version of My Favorite Murder the podcast.

Speaker 2 (00:23):
That's Karen Kilgarrett and that's Georgia hart Stark and here
we are on the pod loft once again. It's right,
it's only been four years.

Speaker 3 (00:31):
So dusty, dusty, there's cat hair everywhere.

Speaker 2 (00:34):
Ow the spiders have made spice spider webs out of
cat hair. Oh no, yeah, we haven't been here in
so long.

Speaker 3 (00:41):
No, we've been.

Speaker 1 (00:42):
We're finishing up our fall tour this weekend.

Speaker 3 (00:47):
Last two our last two shows for the fall tour,
Atlanta and Austin's right, very excited.

Speaker 1 (00:53):
And we're already fucking planning and into the winter tour.

Speaker 3 (00:58):
How are we alive? We're not, we're not.

Speaker 2 (01:01):
This is all a post this is post existence. Oh,
that's why it's so fun and interesting.

Speaker 3 (01:07):
That's right, it's not bad. It's pretty exciting. It's pretty great.

Speaker 1 (01:10):
Our tickets for our winter tour have started going on
sale for the fan cult. They're about to go on
public sales soon. They're selling out super fast. So make
sure you check out what's going on at my Favorite
Murder dot com and sign up for the email list
because there's some surprises coming up too, so you'll want
to be on top of that. But thanks so far
for all the buying of tickets. It's going to be

(01:31):
a really fun tour, right.

Speaker 2 (01:33):
Just keep in mind, first of all, it's best if
you belong to the fan cult because then you know
what's going on and you have insider advantages, just as
a recommendation from me personally.

Speaker 1 (01:43):
And the fan cult was a way to get people
who got really pissed off all the time that tickets
sold out so quickly, a way to get first access
to them.

Speaker 3 (01:51):
So it's not a fuck.

Speaker 1 (01:52):
We're just trying to make sure that a the scalpers
aren't buying them all up and be the people who
really really want them can have the best chance of
getting them.

Speaker 2 (02:00):
Which are things we can't control. For all of these things,
it really does seem like there's people that keep showing
up that don't understand that these tickets sell out in
one minute.

Speaker 1 (02:09):
So the fan call gets the first chunk of pre sale,
then the pre sale gets a chunk of presale, then
the general public public get the last little bit of sales,
so there's different waves of sellsing it. And we're also
maybe going to add shows here and there, so keep
an eye out.

Speaker 3 (02:24):
For you're in there.

Speaker 2 (02:25):
I mean, now we're really in this bad position. Stop
had answered the complaining.

Speaker 1 (02:30):
Hawaii though, Man, if you can't get a ticket anywhere else,
get your fucking ass on your vacation mode to Hawaii.

Speaker 2 (02:37):
Was that all that business? That's all that I think,
listen to this fugging Okay, So we've we're I'll speak
for myself. I'm very tired. We had quite the week
last week. We had an amazing group of shows in
the Bay Area. Lots of my family and friends were there,
which was very, very exciting to see everybody. Then we

(03:00):
came home and then we had our Halloween show at
the Microsoft Theater for seven thousand people, which was incredible,
pretty awesome and huge and big and awesome.

Speaker 3 (03:10):
Yeah. And then on Friday we hosted.

Speaker 2 (03:14):
The Winter Gala for pen America, which is a nonprofit organization.

Speaker 3 (03:20):
That supports the literary arts.

Speaker 2 (03:23):
And free speech and basically make sure that people who
write and make who write, writers make movies do whatever.
Journalists are protected and that free speech is protected, which
is like no, no, now more than ever. Right, So
George and I had to host this thing, don't. It
wasn't a thing. It was a gala.

Speaker 3 (03:44):
It was a gala.

Speaker 1 (03:45):
But you know, all I want to do in my
life is get dressed up and go to galas. And
you really did. Your dress was awesome. Thank you, Thank
you rent the red Way. Otherwise I never would have
been able to afford that.

Speaker 3 (03:53):
Yeah, it was really cool. It looked old fashioned. Thanks. No,
I looked like a witch library and it wasn't.

Speaker 2 (04:02):
I thought the gala was three months away, so I
had I had a dress I wanted to wear hanging
on my closet door that I was like, I'm gonna
get there. That's my swimming routine and my other ways
that I'm being reasonable these days.

Speaker 3 (04:15):
And then it was like.

Speaker 2 (04:16):
No, no, no, the gala is on Friday, and I
was like, what the fuck? So we have to turn
around and host this gala, which was very intimidating and
whatever and on the heels of everything else a lot.
But it went great. It was such The people were
the coolest. We met a lot of people that work
for pen America that were so nice. And then there

(04:37):
was just a cavalcade of literary luminaries and stars in
this audience. One of which and the thing I was
the most excited about is the legendary actress Alfree Woodard
presented director Barry Jenkins, who is the Oscar winning director
for Moonlight. He has a new movie coming out, and

(04:58):
she awarded she presented his award. He won an award
that night, I believe for film or for directing, and
so I Georgia let me skip in front of her
because we were doing switching off introducing people, and so
I got to introduce Alfree Wiard and when she came
up on stage, she gave me that like she gave
me a scrunched nose smile and said.

Speaker 3 (05:18):
You're doing so good as she hugs.

Speaker 2 (05:20):
Me, and so I walked away very emotionally overwhelmed by that.
And then she introduces Barry Jenkins, and then she comes
off stage while he accepts his award, and she gives
me another sweet smile. But it's like this really small
area backstage, and she sits down and then I lean
over her and say, you're a legend, and then I

(05:42):
burst into tears.

Speaker 1 (05:44):
I have never seen Karen so nervous or un person before,
and she could.

Speaker 3 (05:47):
Not have been more sweet and lovely. But I think
I scared her a little bit, no.

Speaker 1 (05:52):
And then she was just like, let's take a photo
or something, right, So the three of us get up
to go take up. There's like a photo area and
suddenly nowhere to be found. And she enough returns to
me and goes, where'd she go? And I look around
the and I go, oh, you made her cry, And
she's Karen's around the corner. Her back's tests but I
could just see her trying to get it together.

Speaker 2 (06:14):
Holding folded up cocktail napkins under my eyes, going you're
not allowed to cry right now. But it was that
thing of like I think it was the tsunami of
that whole week, week and a half.

Speaker 3 (06:24):
And her speech was gorgeous. It was just very emotional.

Speaker 2 (06:28):
Yeah, it was very but I lost I lost it,
and then she had that look in her face that
was like, oh, I have to get out of this small,
confined space around this lady. But it was Thanks again
to pen America for having us host. We had the
best time and it was super cool.

Speaker 1 (06:42):
Okay, and another reason to get on that email list
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Speaker 3 (06:56):
Soon, the exactly Right network, that's right.

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And we have mentioned new merch to at the website,
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there's just a lot of new stuff coming up all
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Speaker 2 (07:14):
Yeah, and we'll be talking about the network more. We'll
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Speaker 3 (07:26):
Having a podcast on our new podcast network.

Speaker 2 (07:28):
So we're excited to be telling you about that, So
stay tuned, we'll be don't worry, we'll inundate you with information.

Speaker 1 (07:36):
Oh, we're also speaking of the tour. We haven't talked
about the fact that we're playing the Grand Ole to Opry.
What the fuck could this conversation be more? Just like,
there's not one thread. We're both talking about different things
every time on talk. What if we just had we
found out everyone found out that we couldn't be in
the room together anymore, so we're just recording our side
of the conversation and Steve and has to just stitch

(07:57):
them together, but he's doing a really bad job of it.

Speaker 3 (07:59):
That's right, Georgia. I love cookies and cakes.

Speaker 2 (08:05):
Yes, oh yes, merch Okay, then let me join it
all together and read you this email.

Speaker 3 (08:11):
Guys laugh in my ass.

Speaker 1 (08:12):
Okay, great, I have one more piece of housekeeping. Should
I get to do it?

Speaker 3 (08:14):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (08:15):
The other last piece of housekeeping is that housecaping?

Speaker 3 (08:19):
Is that where?

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Speaker 2 (08:30):
But she just did like a somersault behind you in
the most silent comedic way.

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So yeah, and just in case you don't want to adds.

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Yeah, there's people that pay for their podcast hosting so
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way to have some ad free podcast enjoyment. Sure, all right,

(09:15):
So here's an email Stephen pulled for us, and the
subject line is episode one oh five, and it says, Hello,
A friend of mine had just listened to.

Speaker 2 (09:23):
Episode one o five about your review of the Netflix
movie Murder on the Cap and the Krista Worthington Murder.
She told me to check it out. I had never
heard of your show, so I looked it up and
listened to it this morning. I played Tony Jacket. No
in the movie my in the movie, Mike Luna.

Speaker 3 (09:44):
Jacket is emailing us. It's the actor playing Jacket. No,
it's Jacket.

Speaker 2 (09:50):
I thought your description and the review of the movie
was totally accurate, and so is the breakdown you provided
for the actual murder case. I have lived and worked
in the area my whole life. I remember the events
pretty well. I'm not an actor and never claimed to
be one exclamation pole. Oh my god, I had been
a welder by trade for twenty years. Oh my god,
I'm sweating and I work all over the cape. One

(10:13):
fall Saturday in twenty fourteen, I happened to be working
on a job in Provincetown and one.

Speaker 3 (10:17):
Of the producers for that movie saw me working and
begged me to go to an auditionist. That's like a
dream come true for some people.

Speaker 2 (10:25):
It's like the beginning of a dirty Hollywood porn. I
was skeptical, of course, but I went anyway. A few
months later they called me back and told me I
had the part if I wanted it. So I was
just in the right place at the right time. It
was fun and I learned a lot, and I'm glad
I did it. Keep up the good work, Best regards,
Josh and Ah. Here's the best part. Josh, underneath his name,

(10:46):
like a businessman, has the name of the fabrication and
welding company that he clearly owns and works for.

Speaker 3 (10:53):
It's in the Shadowroster Walther.

Speaker 2 (10:56):
His name's Josh Walther and he works at Walther Vrication
and Welding in Brewster, Massachusetts.

Speaker 3 (11:02):
Uh amazing the idea that he wasn't an actor. He did.
I wish I'd known that he did.

Speaker 1 (11:09):
One of his friends was like, you gotta listen to
this episode.

Speaker 3 (11:12):
Holy shit, Josh, I can't remember what I said.

Speaker 2 (11:15):
I hope I wasn't too critical. I did enjoy watching
Murder on the Cape for what it was.

Speaker 1 (11:21):
This podcast has reach and it's weird, and it all
is just so weird.

Speaker 2 (11:27):
It really is weird because it's like it'll be like
six months later, but when we recorded it, so it's permanent.

Speaker 1 (11:32):
Totally don't talk too much shit. I mean ladies and
general ladies and Lady Karen and Georgia.

Speaker 3 (11:37):
But I just God bless that casting director who's just
driving around podcast town like that one. I want him
in my office tomorrow.

Speaker 1 (11:46):
She's so sick of fucking all the like actual actors
that are coming in from the local theater. Yeah, trying
to talk like this. I just want a normal person,
like a welder or something. Hey, yes, look at that
guy with the rat eyebrows.

Speaker 3 (12:00):
Like a jacket. He looks he could be a perfect jacket.
He could be a jacket, he could be an onion,
so he could be a whole, that's right. And everyman
just a noun last name based every man. You know that.

Speaker 1 (12:11):
We love that here on my favorite noun name now
past name, my favorite noun man.

Speaker 3 (12:18):
Uh. Well, is that the end of business?

Speaker 1 (12:21):
I guess as we know it, I guess this is
the end of this concludes the business podcast portion of
this podcast.

Speaker 2 (12:27):
I feel like I would like to say this episode,
for myself anyway, has the most uh slopped together feel
for the fact that we just haven't done normal podcasts.

Speaker 3 (12:39):
Are you saying so long about your story?

Speaker 2 (12:41):
You mean, yes, for sure, I'm pre warning you about
my story. But then also it's that thing of like
we've been doing so many other things. This is the
thing we actually do, and we haven't done it in so.

Speaker 1 (12:51):
Long that my favorite part and I forgot how it works. Yes,
I don't remember how it works. I don't think. I
don't remember being this boring. Usually I feel like we're
a little it's funnier.

Speaker 2 (13:00):
Usually, yeah, usually we give ourselves no listen criticism taken.

Speaker 3 (13:06):
Look, listen, we listen. We usually give ourselves a little more.

Speaker 2 (13:11):
But it's like I feel like because we haven't taken
our business and so long, it's just like get out
there with.

Speaker 1 (13:16):
The This person's been telling us that we need to
do this. This person, so we had to get all
the shit out here. Listen, all we want to do
is talk to you guys about murder.

Speaker 2 (13:23):
Look, all we want to do is sit at Crooked
and talk straight with you.

Speaker 3 (13:28):
And Steven.

Speaker 2 (13:28):
Stephen really is the one that's cracking the whip on
us and I'm fucking sick of it because everybody thinks
he's so nice and dresses up like a dinosaur and
how sweet that is. It takes fissures with everybody, and
that's all true. Yes, it can always. I'm dress like
a dinosaur day and night day night. He's in the
corner right now.

Speaker 1 (13:46):
In fact, I happen to know he's at Universal Studios
today drinking. I'm calling you out, Stephen, and what were
you doing?

Speaker 4 (13:52):
I was, I got ready this morning and so I
was like, I do a little treat for myself before
I come to recording.

Speaker 3 (13:58):
Okay, we have to go over sip by sip. You
can't say.

Speaker 1 (14:02):
The problem is you can't put it on Instagram because
Vince all day was like Steven's drinking a beer.

Speaker 3 (14:07):
Yeah, he was having a margarita.

Speaker 4 (14:09):
We know Vince is calling me out.

Speaker 3 (14:10):
That's right. You will absolutely monitor your shit to be fair.

Speaker 4 (14:14):
It was a birthday gift that you guys gave.

Speaker 3 (14:16):
Many's true. Oh way to throw it in our face.

Speaker 4 (14:18):
I wanted to show you because I've been going so much.
It was worn out and they couldn't read the bar
code anymore.

Speaker 2 (14:23):
Oh my god, best gift we've ever given. That was really, really,
really something. It really is Vince's idea. So when is
your birthday?

Speaker 3 (14:31):
Sorry, in April, so he's using that.

Speaker 2 (14:34):
Yeah, oh my god, you guys, this looks like it
looks like an antique poster if Harry Potter Universal Studios
Hollywood was a movie from nineteen thirty.

Speaker 3 (14:44):
That's what this little piece of paper looks like.

Speaker 1 (14:46):
Train chicken that hasn't been a train around Universal Studios
around here?

Speaker 3 (14:49):
And why you can't get through the brick.

Speaker 2 (14:54):
Well, I'm trying to make a Harry Potter reference, but
my brain isn't going fast enough.

Speaker 4 (14:57):
They had they had three customer service people trying to
read the numbers, and they were like and they were
like taking bets to see who could get the numbers.

Speaker 2 (15:05):
You were all taking shots at the same Really, I
was going to say, is that before or after the
drinking team?

Speaker 4 (15:09):
I think because Horror Nights is over and that nobody
has anything to do?

Speaker 2 (15:13):
Oh right, yeah, all those all that extra holiday staff
they hired.

Speaker 1 (15:17):
Man, we got to get Universal Studios to fucking what's
it called sponsor this, Steven, Yeah, that's right, I'm into it.

Speaker 3 (15:25):
Now, where do you go to have your beverage? Stephen?
Do you not want to give away your hang at
Universal Studios?

Speaker 4 (15:30):
I mostly describe a medello done by the old Jurassic
area that's all closed.

Speaker 3 (15:35):
Do you work at the bar there?

Speaker 1 (15:36):
Do you have to get an extra job because we
don't pay you get tips?

Speaker 4 (15:39):
Ot there?

Speaker 2 (15:40):
Do you brown bag in a forty of medello and
just sip it by a close?

Speaker 1 (15:45):
The best about Universal Studios is there's alcohol for sale everywhere.

Speaker 3 (15:49):
Yeah, anywhere, corn dogs, parents, You don't have to suffer
at Universal Studios's right, They don't want you to.

Speaker 4 (15:55):
Well, and they're the tall cans too.

Speaker 1 (15:57):
Yeah, that's amazing a tall boy. It's like it's fucking
Dodger Stadium or something else to the yes.

Speaker 4 (16:03):
Except well no, I guess it is like Dodger Stam
because they are like ten bucks.

Speaker 3 (16:06):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, they're going to make you pay.

Speaker 2 (16:08):
Yeah, that's why it shouldn't be your total hangout, No,
just special occasion hangout.

Speaker 1 (16:13):
It's like before recording one of the biggest fucking podcasts.

Speaker 2 (16:18):
Yeah, tonight's the big one.

Speaker 3 (16:23):
Just make sure you hit record already. Yeah, did you
check all the mics and stuff? Stephen? That medelo sure
will fuck you up?

Speaker 1 (16:31):
No, so you had six of them? That's crazy? Wow,
are you sober enough to know who goes first tonight?

Speaker 4 (16:39):
Karen goes first day on?

Speaker 3 (16:40):
All right, don't drop that mic.

Speaker 2 (16:43):
You did cover the basics, like Stephen is a piece
of paper in his notebooks, Like.

Speaker 3 (16:48):
Well, we're gonna ask me? Is shit?

Speaker 1 (16:51):
So you've warned us, I've warned you. Are we getting
read an episode of I Survived?

Speaker 2 (16:58):
No, it's it's sloppier than that if you can imagine. Well,
here's this is the thing. Because I actually did have
a couple fully written murders left over from when we
were in the Bay Area that I would like change
my mind at the last minute. But this is one
that I've somebody recommended it to me, probably a year
ago and probably when we were gonna play Toronto or Montreal,

(17:20):
maybe because it's a it's a Canadian story, but it
wasn't long enough to do, like it didn't feel long
enough ever.

Speaker 3 (17:29):
So it's just been sitting in this little folder. Shorties
are fine.

Speaker 1 (17:32):
I feel like I feel like we're always trying so
hard to be like five or six pages and there's
all these involved things. But sometimes there was like a
really cool story and it looks like a one piece
of paper right there.

Speaker 2 (17:41):
There's a couple pieces, but it was the thing where
I'm tired of looking at it because I like it
enough to not delete it, but not enough to do it.

Speaker 3 (17:48):
Got it, So I'm just doing it. Okay, Great, this
is a story.

Speaker 2 (17:51):
Somebody, And if you are the one that told me
about this would probably would have happened on Twitter. Please
write to Stephen sent him in and say I'm the one.

Speaker 3 (18:00):
I send them into that son of the MODELO send
Stephen a gift certificate for beer at the Universal Studio
for fucking Oh my god, I can't, boy can.

Speaker 2 (18:14):
I was gonna say amusement park Beer, but it almost
came out advertisement park Beer.

Speaker 1 (18:19):
Oh dear ty Tie Carrie, let's get through this and
you can go to bed.

Speaker 2 (18:22):
Let's just get through this. God damn it. Sign up
for stitch Er Premium.

Speaker 3 (18:28):
They're like, oh, is it?

Speaker 1 (18:29):
Is it talk free too, because I'll sign up to
hear you guys shut the fuck up. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (18:33):
I can't wait till you guys are fully entertainment free.

Speaker 3 (18:37):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (18:38):
This is the story of the pilot Randy Mock. Okay,
So the articles I got this information from are the
Edmonton Journal and the Desiree News. And this happened in Alberta,
Canada on September twenty third of nineteen ninety two.

Speaker 3 (18:57):
Great, so I'll start you. I'm going to back you
up a little bit.

Speaker 2 (18:59):
But the frustrating thing is there was no information about
this guy.

Speaker 3 (19:04):
There's no like.

Speaker 2 (19:05):
It's not one of those stories where it's like he
grew up here and he went to this school. It's
nothing like that that I could find. It's just this
event that happened and a little bit before. So basically,
in April of nineteen eighty nine, this guy, Randy Mock
gets his private pilot's license from the Edmonton Flying Club

(19:26):
and the people who belonged to that club. They described
him as a skilled pilot who had hopes of becoming
a commercial pilot for a major airline. But just three
years later, all of that will get thrown out the window.

Speaker 3 (19:40):
Airplane window, the airplane's window. Oh.

Speaker 2 (19:43):
Basically, we cut to the summer of nineteen ninety two.
Randy Mock's thirty years old, and he is having a
very bad time of things. That June, he had been
laid off as an aircraft refueler at Sky Harbor Aviation
at Edmonton's International Airport, and then in August, his twenty

(20:04):
three year old girlfriend, Donna Lawrence. And Donna spells her name,
no d A w NA Donna.

Speaker 1 (20:13):
The minute you said how she spelled her name says like,
there's gonna be a motherfucking w in there, and I'm
fucking haten.

Speaker 2 (20:19):
So the name Donna is like one of the greatest
seventies names of all time. But then when you combine
it with the name down, which is the same greatest
seventies name of all time, it's I mean, I couldn't
ask for more.

Speaker 1 (20:31):
I mean, it's another one of those Imagine a baby
named Donna, Donna.

Speaker 3 (20:35):
It's this baby Donna.

Speaker 2 (20:36):
How does this baby have black roots? And bleach blonde hair.
I can't believe it.

Speaker 1 (20:40):
Shouldn't baby be smoking a capri? I really feel like
and drinking a fucking watermelon.

Speaker 3 (20:46):
Just let me split this capri with Donna. The baby.
I have to get through today. Anna's all I need.

Speaker 1 (20:51):
Donna has those those small circular lighters that she keeps
in the pack the baby, Donna, you know those lighters
that like go in the pack, because somehow she's always
she's never on.

Speaker 3 (21:01):
A fresh pack. She's always like six cigarettes in. She's
she is.

Speaker 2 (21:04):
Donna is the original person who sent a child to
the store to get her cigarettes.

Speaker 3 (21:09):
She's ther first and the foremost. That's right. It's all
about living your fucking life, right, Donna. We love your Donna.
We love you Donna.

Speaker 2 (21:18):
So okay, So Donna is twenty three at this time,
she's d Randy Mock and she breaks up with him
and she moves back in with her parents. So the
two of them, Donna and Randy had moved in to
his South Side apartment for like four to six weeks,
kind of whirlwindy. She moved out, moved back home in

(21:39):
with her parents, who in Alberta, who lived at one
forty nine a Avenue at seventy second Street. So that's
the neighborhood this all takes place in. Don't know it,
you might not be familiar with it, but the people
of Alberta, the proud citizens of Alberta, are like not
at one forty nine A Avenue.

Speaker 3 (21:57):
That's my favorite intersection.

Speaker 2 (21:58):
Oh my god, that's the intersection where it all goes down, right,
maple syrup, poutine?

Speaker 3 (22:04):
Whatnot? Really good KitKat?

Speaker 2 (22:06):
Oh you just stand on that corner and eat a
fucking kit cat? Where was we were somewhere a week
got shipped from our Vancouver show. We got shipped all
the gifts that we take home from everybody, and there
was a bag of candy and I go throw in
all the kit Cats and Georges like there aren't any
They're already gone because.

Speaker 3 (22:25):
We ate them all in the venue. And while we
were standing there, Yes, Canada, please stop, don't stop bringing
as kitcat.

Speaker 2 (22:31):
Oh god, but they sent us a really sweet assed
Cadbury carmelo or caramel one. That's right, God damn that
says extraordinary.

Speaker 3 (22:43):
I mean, just Canada has better candy. That's all okay.
So now we're back in that neighborhood in Alberta do it.

Speaker 2 (22:50):
Donna is also seven months pregnant, so shit, you can
kind of see that, Like they're together, they're having this romance,
she gets knocked up, She's like, let's make it work,
and then four six weeks later she's like, see you
super later.

Speaker 3 (23:03):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (23:04):
So Randy's everything in Randy's life is kind of the shits, okay,
as my dad would say, the shits, the shits. So
just after midnight on September thirtieth, nineteen ninety two, so
Randy's trying to get back together with Donna and she's
just like please. He calls her parents' house, Donna's parents' house.
She refuses to talk to him, he tells her, so

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I guess, but she He gets her on the phone
enough to say, in about an hour, go to your
front window and look out, because quote you're going to
see something spectacular.

Speaker 3 (23:36):
Oh no, She hangs up on him and goes to
his dick. So he's just going to be standing out
there with his dick.

Speaker 2 (23:42):
Just pointing to his dick and being like, am I
right about the spectacularity of this thing?

Speaker 1 (23:47):
I remember this thing. Don't forget about him. She's like,
it's not gonna work. Dude, it worked the one time.
I still have to deal with it, right, Okay. So
she goes to bed.

Speaker 2 (23:58):
At one thirty four am that night, Randy goes down
to the Edmonton Municipal Airport. He gets into his yeah,
nineteen sixty nine Cessna one fifty h two seater airplane.

Speaker 3 (24:10):
Okay, which is his pride and joy. It's his plane.
It's a vintage. Right. He puts on his vintage Aviator glasses,
the leather cap. Right, he puts you know what, yep,
like Lindberg. He puts a little.

Speaker 2 (24:26):
He wraps a scarf around his neck like limber. Okay,
and he basically takes off. Oh shit, it's one thirty
in the morning, slash middle of the night.

Speaker 3 (24:36):
Don't do it. It's not a good idea.

Speaker 2 (24:38):
And he heads on over to Donna's parents' house and
he begins flying back and forth directly over the house,
making these huge loops between Donna's parents' house and the airport,
just buzz and buzzing the house.

Speaker 1 (24:52):
Nothing says, I'll be a great father. You should totally
get back together with me. I'm stable and have my
shit together like.

Speaker 3 (24:59):
That, like a airplane, buzz of your dad's house. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (25:03):
So he then, as he's kind of in the middle
of this, he contacts the flight service station at the
Edmonton International Airport around a little after one thirty. He
indicates that he intends to crash the plane into Donna's parents' house.
Oh no, now, unfortunately, and I imagine that the flight

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service station is similar, if not the same, as a
control tower. It's not the language they use, but that's
what I'm guessing. And no one there answers because it's
one thirty in the morning and they work from six
am till like around eighty and that's it.

Speaker 3 (25:37):
So and he should know that because he worked at
that air airport.

Speaker 2 (25:40):
But so right, no one calls back or no one
responds to his What isn't really an SOS or break breaker,
this is it's just a nine.

Speaker 3 (25:50):
Bad boyfriend announcement.

Speaker 2 (25:53):
So after one pass, Donna and her family run to
their car and they drive to the London Dairy Police Station,
which is only a few blocks away. And now at
this point, the cops at the Londonderry Police Station or
the Royal Canadian Mounted Police.

Speaker 3 (26:07):
They are called up there for short.

Speaker 2 (26:10):
They know about what's going on because the entire neighborhood
is woken up and called the police showing fucking shit,
there's a plane and not just doing circles in the air,
buzzing the house so that at one point and he
would be dipping down and cutting out the engine and
people were like easy kind of crash.

Speaker 3 (26:29):
Now he clipped the top off of the tree. He
was coming like within feet of the roof of the
house and in the dark.

Speaker 2 (26:36):
No, so people are shitting So he's swooping, dipping and
buzzing right above the house's cliffs, top branches of a tree.
So finally police go into the neighborhood and they evacuate
around one hundred people out of the neighborhood because they
don't know what this fucking guy's going to do, and
they get him all to go over to the local

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shopping mall parking lot for safety. So a woman who
lived in the neighborhood named Yolanda Rover, she went over
to the she got evacuated, and she was quoted in
the press of saying, every time it came by, I
picture her voice to.

Speaker 3 (27:13):
Be kind of high and dream like. I love it already.
Every time it came by, I drive to a different
part of the lot to get out of its way.
It was unreal, like a dream, only it was real. Landa.
That's Yolanda freaking the fuck out. I love you. So
she's just.

Speaker 2 (27:30):
Sitting in her car staring at this plane and every
time it would come anywhere near she would drive.

Speaker 3 (27:35):
A different part of the park. Is this a dream
or is it?

Speaker 2 (27:39):
Sorry?

Speaker 3 (27:39):
Is this a dream? Okay? He does this for nearly
two hours. What is deck buzzing? The house?

Speaker 2 (27:46):
Go to sleep, And finally the police negotiators get into
that control tower thing. They'd get him on the horn
on the plane and they tried to talk him down
and try to get him to land, and at first
he refuses to speak to them, but then finally, when
he's getting closer to running out of fuel, he demands
to talk sure to Donna.

Speaker 3 (28:07):
Daw Na.

Speaker 2 (28:09):
Of course, she refuses to speak to him because she's like, no,
you're now, you're full nuts and there's no engageing you whatsoever.

Speaker 3 (28:15):
Smart move, Donna.

Speaker 2 (28:18):
So finally he says to the police, quote, I'm almost
at a gas man.

Speaker 3 (28:22):
You know, nobody takes me seriously.

Speaker 2 (28:24):
There's a lot of people to sleep down there, and
it'd be a disaster if I ran out.

Speaker 3 (28:28):
Of gas where I am right now?

Speaker 1 (28:29):
What?

Speaker 3 (28:30):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (28:31):
So, but police are like, they've already evacuated the area,
they've gotten people to safety, and they're kind of ready
for the worst. And that's exactly what happens. At three
point fifteen am. The engine on Randy Mok's plane sputters
and stalls out for the last time, and then he
glides the plane down neatly into the Lorenz's living room window.

Speaker 3 (28:55):
What just fucking glides it down?

Speaker 2 (28:58):
It runs out of gas and then he just crashes
it right through their living room window.

Speaker 3 (29:03):
Holy shit.

Speaker 2 (29:04):
And there's a theory that when he called and said,
look out the front window. You're in open an hour,
you're about to see something spectacular, he thought he would
trick her into standing in that window while he crashed
into that. Yeah, that's the theory. Yeah, y yeah, But
of course he knows don ain't like that. She's not
gonna be standing around someoneow, Like, what is it?

Speaker 3 (29:26):
Is it good dick? Is that good dick? Okay?

Speaker 2 (29:31):
So, another witness from the mall, and this is kind
of to me worth the entire bothering to tell the story.
Another witness from the mall is named Don Rudco, and
he was so close to the crash, but like seeing
the airplane before crashed that he actually watched as Randy
Mak casually flicked a cigarette but out the airplane window

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a few seconds before he crashed it into the house.

Speaker 3 (29:56):
Holy shit, he told the press quote. I could see
the red spark as he tossed it out. I thought
this guy must be cool hand Luke, he's here, he is,
he's going to kill himself and he flicks a cigarette
out the window. Yeah, it's a little baller. It's well,
it's so like done and done. Oh my god, he's.

Speaker 2 (30:14):
Just that's a man with nothing to lose. So he
crashes it into the front of the house. Obviously inside
the crash site the cockpit with the injured pilot inside.
Randy Mock comes to a rest in the living room.
The wings of the plane are sticking out on either
side of the demolished front door, and the fire department
has to go in and use the jaws of life

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on the cockpit to pull Randymalck out of the cockpit.
Which is so funny because when I was reading that,
the jaws of life, when they were like an invention.
It's basically like a different version of a buzz saw
that the fire department uses when people are trapped in cars.
So they used to have to just pull doors open,
like either jimmy them open or like pull them open

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with their hands, and oftentimes really bad car accidents, they
would get crashed so that you couldn't move the door,
and people would die inside of cars because they'd be
injured and the fire department couldn't get them out. And
I still remember when they started using the joke they
call them the jaws of life. My dad would come
home and tell these stories about what an amazing invention

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it is because he could like that all of a
sudden they could rescue these people that were inside.

Speaker 1 (31:24):
It was like car I remember. I know, I've heard
all about them since I was a kid, but like, so,
it's like a buzz souar. I thought it was like
a big por priors or something like that.

Speaker 2 (31:31):
Well that's what it sounds like, but it actually is.
It's from what I remember seeing in pictures. It just
basically looks like a chainsaw that you can use on metal.
So it's like, I'm sure there's a way they pry
them as well, but it's basically like a way to
get into a jammed door, I know.

Speaker 3 (31:49):
Crazy.

Speaker 2 (31:50):
So they have to go in and get him out
using the jaws of life. They actually carry him out
of the house through the back door and like leave
a line of blood on the lan so he was
like inside the house, which is such a fucking crazy
thing to think. He's taken to the hospital with serious
skull fractures and facial injuries, and he ends up dying

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in the hospital a month later. And Donna's father told
the press quote, I told him he wasn't welcome in
my home. I guess this is how he got in.
And he gave the press that quote while standing in
his living room filled with shattered glass and bits of
aluminum fuselage.

Speaker 3 (32:29):
Holy shit. And then Donna's brother, they didn't have his
first name. He says to the press it was one
of those love things. Is this kid twelve? He's like,
this is love? He was.

Speaker 2 (32:43):
There's no way he wasn't super high on drugs, because, buddy,
that's not love at all. It's quite the opposite. Now
here's how we know it's not a love thing because
actually Randy Mock in nineteen eight had already made the
papers because Randy Mock tried to sue an ex girlfriend
who was eighteen years old at the time, so he

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was like in his late twenties and she was eighteen
because he'd gotten her pregnant. She broke up with him
and then wanted to get an abortion, and he was
granted a temporary injunction to prevent her from getting an
abortion because he argued that he and the woman eighteen
year old, had agreed to have a family and he
wanted to raise the child.

Speaker 3 (33:26):
So they put a forty eight.

Speaker 2 (33:27):
Hour injunction on her body, Yes, on her fucking body,
and then a judge refused to extend it past the
forty eight hours, and she immediately went and had an
abortion because she did not want to have a child
with him.

Speaker 3 (33:40):
Jesus Christ. So clearly he had some.

Speaker 2 (33:47):
Issues with women and relationships and what his part in
the role he had in their lives was. So of course,
looking for trying to beef this story up a little
bit more because it's so fucking crazy. I go on
Reddit and read it basically as they Somebody was like,
I remember a story of a guy telling a girl
to stand in the front window and it sounds like

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a ghost story at first, turns.

Speaker 3 (34:10):
Out it's the Randy Mock story.

Speaker 2 (34:12):
And then at the end of the thread, someone says,
it's just like that thing that happened in August of
this year.

Speaker 3 (34:20):
So then I fucking click on that link. Thank you Reddit.

Speaker 2 (34:24):
So August of this year, in Salt Lake City, a
forty seven year old man named Dwayne Ude Youd dies
when he flies a twin engine Cessna five twenty five
into his own house after he's arrested for domestic violence.
So basically he's a pilot. He works for like a

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private company as there like on call pilot, so he
has full access to the employer's plane and the digital
access code to the airplane hangar at the very small
Spanish Fork Spring Springville Airport in Salt Lake City, where
there are no air towers. There's no aircraft traffic control

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monitoring at all. They don't monitor who takes off in
lands like go have fun yes. So essentially he gets
he he has witnessed beating his wife. He gets arrested,
He gets held in jail for like two hours. He
makes bail, he goes straight to this airport. He takes
up his boss's plane and and he has to then

(35:27):
fly to crash into his own house. He has to
fly under high voltage power lines of go around other houses,
comes right in and holy shit, can.

Speaker 1 (35:37):
You imagine being one of those houses that is a
fucking plane is going around?

Speaker 2 (35:41):
Yes, I mean no, it's like that's crazy. It'd be like,
what in the living fuck? And it was at this time.

Speaker 3 (35:49):
It was two thirty in the morning. Oh my god,
he crashes.

Speaker 2 (35:53):
It's like kind of like what Sully Sullenberger did on
the bomba Buck and Hudson, except for the bad version
of it. He crashes into their house and his wife
and twenty four year old son escape. The house catches
on fire and they run out the back and they
get away, and he dies in the crash.

Speaker 3 (36:14):
That's crazy. It's fucking crazy.

Speaker 2 (36:17):
And then at the end of that article, I swear
to god, it says this is the second bizarre airplane
incident in recent dates.

Speaker 1 (36:24):
I wouldn't call that bizarre. I call that a fucking
psychoedic nightmare. Ye abuser.

Speaker 2 (36:31):
Well, also, I think it's like we look at pilots,
they're so people who fly planes have to have nerves
of steel. They have to be constantly the most reasonable
person everywhere they go because they have to handle shit.
They're like the bottom line of handling shit. And it
seems to me ninety nine percent of most pilots do

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exactly that.

Speaker 3 (36:52):
At all times.

Speaker 2 (36:53):
You hope, I mean right, it seems like they just
do it.

Speaker 3 (36:56):
So when one loses their shit, it's like.

Speaker 2 (36:58):
So because what they had in that article, the people
that he worked for for thirteen months, so not forever,
but still they were like he was rock solid. He
was like course, he was the goldie.

Speaker 1 (37:10):
Boy on this like facade of this this normal I've
got my shit together, and then they just then snap.
But it looks but it's calculated and and like you
can smoke a cigarette and fucking right before you crash
a fucking plane because you're just so used to being
like acting like everything's fine and normal.

Speaker 2 (37:28):
That's right, as you're doing the craziest thing anyone could do,
you're also like anyways.

Speaker 3 (37:35):
Okay, uh yeah.

Speaker 2 (37:37):
So And also I think it's that thing of like
when the vaneer cracks, because he had been witnessed beating
his wife then arrested for it, so it all was
like any secrets that they had at home were now
fully public and he was like the end, like family
annihilator style, We're not we can't live through this, right,
but apparently so.

Speaker 3 (37:56):
At the end of that article.

Speaker 2 (37:57):
It was it said, it's the second but our airplane
incident in recent days quote unquote Bazarre on Friday and
employee stole a turboprop plane from the Sea tac International
Airport in Seattle and flew it for more than an
hour before dying in a crash on an island south
west of Tacoma.

Speaker 3 (38:14):
What the oh, I remember that? Yeah, when someone just
stole an airplane and then crashed it, that's right, and
killed themselves. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (38:24):
So that's my short and super insane, Like here's some
weird airplane stories.

Speaker 3 (38:29):
It's crazy.

Speaker 1 (38:30):
I want to know more about that last one because
the guy seemed totally normal and he didn't He wasn't
trying to hurt anyone that one.

Speaker 3 (38:37):
He was just but he was.

Speaker 2 (38:39):
I mean, if he's a pilot the way he did that,
you know, like you can only get so far, you
have so much fuel, you know what the endgame is
when you take a plane up in the air.

Speaker 3 (38:50):
That's part of your job. I think as a pilot.

Speaker 1 (38:52):
This guy just seemed to like kind of snap yeah,
and I don't think he I don't think he was
a pilot. I think he was like worked with planes
and so he didn't even know how to land.

Speaker 3 (39:03):
I think that's what it was, and so he I
don't know. Yeah, I'll have to look at more.

Speaker 2 (39:07):
It does say an employee's so you're right, it doesn't
say a pilot.

Speaker 3 (39:11):
Yeah, that's crazy. Wow.

Speaker 2 (39:13):
Yeah, I was going to look that one up too,
And then I'm like, is this now I'm just belaboring
the fact that I just had two small stories.

Speaker 1 (39:20):
But still so crazy. That's creepy, that's weird. Well shit,
all right, Well, good job for I mean, thanks being tired.
I think now now.

Speaker 2 (39:29):
It's out of the folder, so I don't have to
think about it any great, delete right.

Speaker 3 (39:33):
Delete it? Okay, Well, speaking of Seattle.

Speaker 1 (39:39):
Oh, I'm not going to tell you too much about
this because I want you to kind of guess some shit.
But this is basically the Seattle Cyanide poisonings.

Speaker 3 (39:47):
Okay. My first guess was going to be Bigfoot, but
I guess that now that I hear the word cyanide,
I'm going to take I'm going to retract it.

Speaker 1 (39:53):
Okay, okay, it's not bigfoot. Okay, okay. June eleventh, nineteen
eighty six, right after my sixth birth in Auburn, Washington.

Speaker 3 (40:01):
Right after my sixteenth birthday, they we had a surprise party.
It was fun, cute.

Speaker 1 (40:06):
So Auburn, Washington. It's a subber about twenty five miles
outside of Seattle. Forty year old Susan Snow. She's a
mother of two teenage girls. She works as a bank manager.
She woke up at six am and started her normal
morning routine. She kissed her husband, Paul, who was a
long haul trucker, goodbye as he left for work, and

(40:26):
wished her fifteen year old daughter halea good morning. Goes
into her bathroom, plugs in her curling iron, starts to
get ready for work.

Speaker 3 (40:34):
But another one of.

Speaker 1 (40:35):
Her normal things routines in the morning, which she did
all the time because she suffered from really painful headaches,
she took her pretty much daily dose of two extra
strength et cedron capsules from the bottle in her kitchen.

Speaker 3 (40:51):
Oh shit, that's right.

Speaker 1 (40:53):
About forty minutes after she went into her bathroom to
get ready, her daughter Haley went into the bathroom to
see what was taking her mom so long, I know,
and found Sue collapse on the floor of the bathroom.
Sue was unresponsive but had a faint pulse, and when
Haley called nine one one, she told them that it
seemed like her mother was asleep.

Speaker 3 (41:12):
But with her eyes open.

Speaker 1 (41:13):
Oh no, I know, that's so awful, that's so sad.
Gasping for breath and her pulse fading. Sue's phone by
helicopter to the hospital where doctors work to determine what
is even wrong with her. They don't know how to
help her because I can't forget what's wrong. Maybe she's
slipped while getting ready and hit her head, but she
didn't have any bruises. Had she been electricated by the

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curling iron. No, and nothing seemed to add up, And
so doctors were baffled, and just a few hours later,
Sue Snow had died.

Speaker 3 (41:42):
Shit.

Speaker 1 (41:42):
Yeah, during the autopsy on Sue Snow, this chick assistant,
she's the assistant medical examiner, Janet Miller. She's like, Yo,
I fucking smell a very faint scent of bitter almonds,
which I know from an experience means cyanide.

Speaker 3 (42:01):
Now you were pointing out yourself, Georgia, but you were
playing the part Janet. It's like, yo, you're in the
role of Janet.

Speaker 1 (42:07):
Yes, Janet knows from experience that, like that's the scent
that bitter alments historically, Like the book that was written
about this is name bitter Almonds.

Speaker 2 (42:15):
Is it really yeah? Because also it's kind of a
play on word, as you'll see soon.

Speaker 1 (42:25):
The main medical examiner person was like, shut up, you assistant,
be quiet. I don't smell anything, and they're like well,
and also doesn't show any of the telltale signs of
cyanide poisoning, Like her skin wasn't bright, pink, that sort
of thing.

Speaker 3 (42:38):
So she was like, blew her off.

Speaker 1 (42:40):
She was going to just put down that she died
of natural causes, had an unnick diagnosed heart issue, and
Janet then later this doctor comes in to say to
the main person, so what happened, and she starts to
tell her like, oh, it's just a hard issue. In
Janet's like, yo, motherfuckers, you should probably listen to me,
and like told another doctor was like, good, this bitch

(43:02):
is not listening to me. You should listen to me. Awesome, amazing,
and her fucking politeness and saying and not staying in
her lane might have saved a bunch of other lives.

Speaker 3 (43:13):
I bet it did. I bet it did, because.

Speaker 1 (43:15):
So uh when they sent Janet's uh, you know, tissue
blood things, sure information. When it was tested, it was
verified that Snow had died of an acute cyanide poisoning.
And then I wrote and Jane Janet was like oooh yeah,
bitches and toasted her bad assness with her friends that night.
Probably don't you think they all had Like Champagne was like,
I fucking told this bitch it was. It was fucking scionize.

(43:38):
Also white resist. Yeah, if you're looking into someone's death,
a forty year old woman dies unexpectedly, there's no explanation,
and someone smells the faintest bit of fucking bitter almonds.

Speaker 2 (43:50):
And also just like it's that thing. How many years
of Corners being like, I guess it's a it was
a heart and balis word like seeing the hard made
up thing where it's like or look into.

Speaker 3 (44:00):
It right, or if one person smells almonds.

Speaker 1 (44:03):
And the thing about cyanide too, is that the ability
to smell it is genetic and twenty to forty percent
of the population don't carry the gene to detect it.

Speaker 3 (44:13):
Ooh, then you shouldn't be allowed to be the corner,
that's right, or you should have someone who can. Yes,
I don't know. These are the things we're going to
get solved in the next midterm election. That's right.

Speaker 1 (44:23):
We're going to have a ballot measure and it's going
to be great.

Speaker 3 (44:27):
Smell that smell that cyanide. Hey, does the smelling cyanide?
Do you then get the fuck out of this war department. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (44:35):
So investigators go and examine the contents at of Sue's
house and they discover that the source of the cyanide
is the bottle of extra strength et Ceterrian capsules that
both Snow and her husband Paul had used the morning
of Snow's death. Three capsules out of those that remain
in the sixty capsule bottle were found to be laced
with cyanide and toxic quantities. So the husband fucking took some,

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she took some, and she died, and there was three
more in there. Whoa that our sianid last right suspicious?
And so this murder by syanide is a fucking huge
sensational news of course across the nation, and everyone loses
their shit, especially because just four years earlier was in
nineteen eighty two Chicago tailan al murders that I covered

(45:20):
in episode forty three, where yes, I look that up.
That's one of my still one of my favorites. I
covered an episode for I covered. All I'm saying is
I'm not going to get into it because you no, no, no,
I know you know what I mean, but please, one
of my favorite I.

Speaker 3 (45:34):
Like that you're referencing your own story.

Speaker 1 (45:36):
Yeah, I just don't want to talk too much about it.
But it is still like I love that case so much.
I still fucking think that Ted Kaczynski did it. I
think it's just like, it's so crazy, it's it's such
a fascinating story. It really is a good listen. And
then so of course the Chicago Tailanel murders scared the
shit out of everyone. Seven people died when thailan al
capsules had been laced with cyanide and put back on

(45:57):
store shelves, and those murders, for years later and to
this fucking day, have yet to be solved.

Speaker 2 (46:02):
I remember all of this, this is this was all
my team years yeah, yeah, it was crazy.

Speaker 3 (46:08):
Do you remember this story?

Speaker 2 (46:09):
I do because because it happened after and it had
that thing of like, this was before this.

Speaker 3 (46:15):
A thing now that's happening all the time.

Speaker 2 (46:17):
Right, it's it's because it was before the silver tabs
that used to go on top of everything right there
used to You used to just open stuff and there
would just be cotton stuff to the top. And that
was the way that they kept things safe for everybody.
There wasn't even child proofing back then, no, there was
kind of nothing. So it was that thing of like, yeah,
it doesn't make sense that anyone could have access, right.

Speaker 1 (46:38):
It's it's good that anyone with a glostick who can
glue the like the paper box back together, can put
it back on the shelves.

Speaker 2 (46:44):
Any weirdo they hire it, the weirdo grocery store down
the street, that's right, can get into your business. And
it's the thing you don't know, You don't realize it
until something terrible happens like this.

Speaker 1 (46:55):
Right, So this happens, and of course suspicion immediately falls
on Sue's husband, Paul, especially when he started wearing Hawaiian
shirts and shorts after the funeral.

Speaker 3 (47:05):
No, like he was on fucking.

Speaker 1 (47:06):
Vaka no right, and he got angry when investigator started
questioning him. So of course everyone's like, dude, it's Paul
and he was Sue was his fourth wife. Oh, the
two daughters weren't from her previous marriages. They'd only been
married about seven months before Susan's death, and Susan had
found out that Paul had cheated on her with an
ex Jesus, but had decided to stay with him. Right,

(47:29):
So everyone's suspicious of him.

Speaker 2 (47:30):
Sorry, they'd only been married seven months and he'd already
cheated on her.

Speaker 1 (47:34):
Yeah maybe they I don't know when he cheated, but yeah,
I mean, you might have cheated before they got married,
but they had only eve been married for seven months.

Speaker 3 (47:40):
Got married, don't I know, Just don't I know, just
don't please.

Speaker 2 (47:47):
But but then they do well, they do, okay, So
everyone was like, it's totally him, right, it's Hawaiian shirt, Joe,
Hawaiian shirt, dude, Yeah, okay, But then everything gets crazy
and mixed up when another tainted bottle from the same lot,
the same manufacturer lot was found in a grocery store

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in nearby Kent, Washington.

Speaker 1 (48:09):
Fuck the manufacturers of Exceedron Bristol Myers lost their shit,
recalled all extra strength Exceedron products in the Seattle, Washington area,
and a group of drug companies came together to offer
a three hundred thousand dollars.

Speaker 3 (48:21):
Reward for the capture of the person responsible. That's pretty cool, right,
the last cool thing any drug company ever did. That's
right before they started trying to murder all of us.

Speaker 1 (48:31):
I have proof of something shitty they did in just
a second. That's pretty right.

Speaker 3 (48:36):
That's when.

Speaker 1 (48:37):
Okay, So then this money comes forward, and like we
need help finding this, and then this woman, bless her heart,
comes forward. Oh, this woman's name is Stella Nickel. She
tells authorities that on June fifth, so it's about a
week before Susan had died. About a week before herd
Sella's husband, Bruce, had come home with a headache from work,

(48:59):
took in a bunch of took him to take in
a bunch of excentrins. He fucking strolled out onto the
deck to watch the birds and then suddenly collapse.

Speaker 3 (49:07):
Oh god.

Speaker 1 (49:08):
He was hanging by a helicopter to a Seattle hospital
and he died as well. But the doctor said that
the cause was emphysema at the time, and Stella said,
that doesn't make any fucking sense. He didn't have egzema.
Did I say am pisimo? Did I say ezma?

Speaker 3 (49:23):
You said emphasema? Great? She was like, he didn't have
Maybe he had ezema, but he didn't have emphysem. I
can't drop dead from emphasema if you don't got it,
if you don't have it.

Speaker 1 (49:34):
Right, So she was like, fuck this shit, you need
to change. That's not true, right, Okay, so here's here's
all right. In what was supposed to be the nineteen
ninety one USA Network made for TV movie about this case,
oh called who killed Susan snow Right? This chick Stella
our friend Stella over here, forty four year old Sella
was to be played by Peggy fucking Bundy. Yay Dyigal

(49:58):
Katie Sigal, who is If you see this woman, it
looks so much like her.

Speaker 3 (50:03):
I don't want to show you a photo, but it
looks so much like her.

Speaker 1 (50:06):
It's like they basically wanted her to be Peggy Bundy
both like roots and like kind of look a little
worn and like she had lived a hard life. Yes,
you know what I mean. Yeah, and it looks exactly
like her. According to a nineteen eighty eight People article,
Stella was into quote bar hopping and skin tied dresses.
She was just like a forty something year old. She
just like to go to the fucking local watering holes,

(50:28):
smoke her capris with her skinny lighter in there. Yeah,
and fucking drink and live, drink and.

Speaker 3 (50:33):
Live and finally live her life. Live like a fish,
drink like a person. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (50:39):
And so she had married Bruce and he was into
that shit too, so they were like partying all the time.

Speaker 3 (50:44):
Awesome. Bruce was much made in heaven exactly.

Speaker 1 (50:46):
Bruce was Stella's second husband, and their life together in
a wash and they lived in a Washington Strait state
trailer park. And apparently it was kind of a bummer
of a life though, okay, as I could imagine. Okay,
But unfortunately, the the plug got pulled on this film,
this made for TV movie because the drug companies Big Pharma,

(51:07):
was like, no, no, no, you're not making us possibly
look bad, and they fucking pulled the plug.

Speaker 3 (51:11):
So because that's who actually controls entertainment, I's right, Big Pharma.

Speaker 1 (51:16):
So that means I don't know who was going to
play anyone else, but we can calculate. So when Stella,
who was like, you need to keep looking. He didn't
die of on physema. When she heard about the time
that Sue's death, she was like, oh shit and checked
her lot number on her et ceterron. It was the
same lot number as Sue Susan's bottle.

Speaker 5 (51:34):
WHOA, okay, yeah, so she test confirmed the presence of
cyanide in the bottle that she had and in Bruce
nichols remains, so he had died from the same thing.

Speaker 3 (51:45):
Okay, So both Paul Susan Susan says and Paul and
our friend Stella filed wrong for less lawsuits against Bristol Myers,
but the FDA inspected the plant work the exceedron lot
had been packaged and found no traces of cyanide. Still,
Bristol Myers were called all etceterric capsules in the United States,
pulled them from the shelves and warn consumers not to

(52:06):
use any they already had. So it's like a million
dollar loss.

Speaker 2 (52:09):
Yeah, I don't think i've because if I remember correctly,
they were the white pills, right, I think extra strength
et cetera.

Speaker 1 (52:18):
I think there's still at the time the ones that
you can pull apart and put shit in them.

Speaker 3 (52:22):
Really I don't.

Speaker 2 (52:23):
Know well from what I remember they were it was
looked like hard aspirant, where I was like, how do
you do anything to that pill?

Speaker 3 (52:30):
But I could just be remembering it that one who
knows who knows?

Speaker 1 (52:34):
Not me. So on June twenty fourth, just a couple
of weeks after Sho's death, a signide contaminated a bottle
of extra strength Anison three, which doesn't Andison three was
the shit.

Speaker 3 (52:47):
Tell us Karen, Anison.

Speaker 2 (52:50):
Wasn't that one that was like like marketed toward back pain?
Oh yeah, I feel like it was also dones remember
dones backpills? No, doanes were like strictly backpills. They were
just cocaine.

Speaker 3 (53:02):
It was just numb you out from like you're c
four down. That's right.

Speaker 1 (53:07):
Yeah, So a bottle of those were found at the
same store where Susan had bought her contaminated Etcron and
those were contaminated as well. So on June twenty seventh,
Washington State put into effect a ninety day ban on
the sale of non prescription medication in capsules, So I
think a capsule capsules. Yeah, so I think that it's
the kind that you can tamper. It makes that muld

(53:28):
make much more sense, sure, but who knows. So investigators
then at that point they started to get suspicious of
someone specific, who our friend Stella, because oh, she turned
over two bottles of Exceedrin that she had bought and
she was like, these are the bottles that he might
have taken them from. But then she was like, I
bought them at two different locations at two different times,

(53:49):
so uh, and they had both ended up being contaminated
with cyanide. So a total of five bottles had been
found to be contaminated in the entire fucking country. And
they thought it was really weird that Stella had bought
two of those at two different places. Quite a coincident,
Quite a weird coincidence. Then, okay, examinations of the contaminated
bottles by the FBI crime lab. They opened up these

(54:10):
capsules and they found that there wasn't just cyanide in them,
they also contained this weird saying of little flecks of
these green crystals throughout the cyanide. They were like, what
the fuck is this? This is really weird. No algae destroyer.

Speaker 2 (54:28):
Uh oh from a fish tank, from a home fish tank.

Speaker 1 (54:32):
Hey, okay, guess who has a fucking home fish tank,
Cobby our girl.

Speaker 3 (54:36):
Stella Della, Stella, the Mermaid.

Speaker 1 (54:39):
Stella, the mermaid. Sh Stella has a fucking home fish tank,
habit girl.

Speaker 2 (54:44):
So wait, they were breaking down like every chemical compound
like what touched these pills.

Speaker 1 (54:49):
They probably would have never fucking found her if this
hadn't been the case, because what they think happened is
that she maybe she had a mortar and pastel or
whatever the fuck, crunched that shit in her fucking that
was her crunch her and she never cleaned it out,
crunched that fucking cyanide up and the same thing, and
so it's just cross contamination girls, not even on purpose.
She did it to herself. She did it her fucking

(55:10):
like so simple. So guess what else our good friend
life insurance policy? Oh comes into play? Sure it does,
it always does, it always does. It's not just for fun.

Speaker 5 (55:20):
No.

Speaker 1 (55:21):
So Stella had taken out a total about seventy six
thousand dollars in life insurance coverage on her husband, which
in today that's nineteen eighty eight and today's money is.

Speaker 2 (55:30):
That's easily eight hundred and fifty two thousand dollars. That's
right to the fucking penny, to the penny. However, if
his death was accidental, she got an additional one hundred
thousand dollars. Okay, aside from the fact that this is
such a fucked every time we tell stories like this,
and it's basically just people being like, I'm going to

(55:51):
cash in on the person i'm married, right, which in
and of itself is discussed.

Speaker 1 (55:55):
I'm done with this life. I'm going to cash in
on the.

Speaker 3 (55:57):
I'm going to cash in on a human being.

Speaker 2 (55:59):
Yeah, but then she kills someone's mom also, right, Okay,
So here's the thing.

Speaker 3 (56:05):
Okay, So that's why I remember she was fighting with emphazima. Doctor.

Speaker 1 (56:10):
Oh, it's not in panzema. I know, it's not a panzima.
It's because she needed him to say it was a
fucking accidental, right, so she could get that extra cause
seventy six thousand dollars or eight hundred and twenty six
million in today's money was not enough for her. She
needed an extra hundred thousand. So then, uh, they were
able to investigate what I'm sorry.

Speaker 2 (56:32):
I just thought of what if it was all so
that she could buy more and more tropical fish.

Speaker 3 (56:37):
She needed more algae destroyer.

Speaker 2 (56:39):
She she loved those fish. She had these huge angel fish.

Speaker 3 (56:42):
But they lived in a trailer too. Yeah, but sometimes
you just eat.

Speaker 2 (56:47):
That's she funneled all the money into that fish tank
so that they were like, we don't need a house.

Speaker 3 (56:51):
What we need is a great house for these fish.

Speaker 1 (56:53):
I just think of how like how like humid and
smelly it was in that trailer.

Speaker 3 (56:59):
With that huge fish tank.

Speaker 2 (57:00):
Huh with that, with that nine x twenty five tropical
fish tank, that was like everyone you see in a
wrapper's house, ye cribs?

Speaker 1 (57:09):
Or what about that TV show where they make fish
tanks called Tank?

Speaker 3 (57:13):
Is it? I think it's called Tank. I'm getting a
nod from Steven. Yes, Stephen, do you watch Tank? Stephen's
so excited.

Speaker 4 (57:19):
No, but I did watch you. I did watch one
episode specifically, But I think it was like Kevin's.

Speaker 1 (57:24):
Smith when you're like in the hotel room or like
a bar, like the hotel bar more like, and it
just happens to be on You're like, what the fuck?
They made a whole show, But it's actually kind of
kind of good.

Speaker 2 (57:34):
I have to say, in any action movie, if they
come in and shoot up the bad guys, like Shark
Tank totally and then you see the wave that comes out,
that's probably the most excited I get.

Speaker 1 (57:45):
That's got to be a really expensive budget.

Speaker 3 (57:48):
Yeah, you shoot that once and then you have to
take it again, which means you have to roll in
a brand new fish tank. And also because of the
fucking peta, you can't kill those fish. No, those are
all just rubber fish with little motors. No, it's I
was like, wow, how did you know that, Karen? Did
you guys do that in baskets? Yep, on baskets we
like to kill fake fish all the time. It's like
a thing. Okay, so tang, it's called tangs. Oh look

(58:13):
if they suit tank toasts there they love fish. That's
real fun. This is all in Spanish, Stephen, is this
a Spanish show? No?

Speaker 2 (58:22):
Oh, it's on Animal Planet. Yeah, please watch Tank, everybody
her new favorite. It's from twenty twelve.

Speaker 1 (58:29):
So Stella takes a polygraph test in November of nineteen
eighty six, fails it, but unfortunately there's no concrete evidence
proving that she ever purchased cyanide, and authorities aren't able
to build a strong enough case to support her. There's
no there's no prints on any of the bottles and
anything like that. There's no video evidence of her putting
the bottles back on the shelves, right, so, like we
fucking have nothing, And it's possible that this case would

(58:51):
have even gone cold, and no one would have been
arrested except for.

Speaker 3 (58:57):
Her daughter, who fucking hated her. Oh shit, girl, Okay.

Speaker 1 (59:01):
So twenty seven year old Cynthia Hamilton, who would have
been played by a fucking hard lifed Molly Ringwald. Oh shit, yeah, okay,
but in a good way, but like pretty but like
chang smoke. Everyone chain smokes. Yeah, it's like is it
northern or central Washington?

Speaker 3 (59:18):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (59:19):
Yeah, and they and she was in and out of
her mother's life. Three years when Cindy, the daughter was
nine years old, Stella had hit her with a curtain
rod so hard it at Bruce Cindy's legs.

Speaker 3 (59:31):
So Stella was pretty abusive. Oh shit.

Speaker 1 (59:34):
And Stella had been charged in order to go to
counseling and said that, but sella En denied ever hitting
her daughter and said that her daughter made the whole
thing up because she was jealous of her. The nine
year old girl was jealous of her.

Speaker 3 (59:47):
Oh no, so she basically Cindy, that's the daughter's Yeah,
Cindy has a total sociopath of a mother. Yeah, okay, Cindy,
Cindy's got Cindy from an early age is like, oh shit,
my mom is capital a crazy right.

Speaker 1 (01:00:01):
But Cindy has a conscious, constant chance, that's right.

Speaker 3 (01:00:04):
Where are we number two?

Speaker 1 (01:00:06):
Cindy has a conscience yes, and is like this, this
isn't right. I need to talk to the fucking authorities
about this. And even though it was her stepdad, it
wasn't even her real father.

Speaker 3 (01:00:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:00:16):
So in January of nineteen eighty seven, Cynthia Cindy approaches
the police with information. She said that her mother had
spoken to her many times about wanting her husband dead. Oh,
Cindy's stepdad, Stella, had told Cindy that after that, ever
since Bruce had quit drinking, he was a bore.

Speaker 2 (01:00:34):
Now listen, as someone who's quit drinking, I know that
that's a fact. Things get way less dramatic when you're
not shitfaced.

Speaker 1 (01:00:42):
Every year, she said, he preferred to stay home and
watch television, which I'm like, I drink and that sounds
great to me.

Speaker 3 (01:00:47):
It's the best when you're sober and drink.

Speaker 2 (01:00:50):
You know how fucking hard it is to go out
into the world sober and just like just get that
white hot light of reality shown on you everywhere you go. No,
I don't try it. Oh, you gotta try it. It's hilarious,
but it's much easier to stay home.

Speaker 1 (01:01:04):
Yeah, So they had stop going onto bars together. So
she was like, this guy's a boor. I'm Peggy Bundy.

Speaker 2 (01:01:11):
Also bars when you're sober, oh, like about thirty five minutes,
you can have fun, but you have to know when
to go home because people start repeating themselves and it
is a disaster area.

Speaker 3 (01:01:22):
I gotta I support you one hundred percent. Thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:01:25):
This is why I never beg you to come out
to like bars and shicks, Like, why would I you
have to come here?

Speaker 3 (01:01:29):
There's like really bad natchos, there's nothing to offer you.
There's really hard to follow conversation about things you don't
care about, right, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:01:37):
So, Cindy also claimed that her mother had spoken to
her about what the two of them could do with
the life insurance money if Bruce were dead.

Speaker 3 (01:01:44):
Oh no.

Speaker 1 (01:01:45):
But Cindy said that her mother had even told her
that she had tried to poison Bruce previously with the
plant foxglove, which I guess is a poisonous plant.

Speaker 3 (01:01:53):
It's very witchy of her young but.

Speaker 1 (01:01:55):
It didn't work. But still there's no smoking gun. Cindy
hadn't seen Stella put the poison into the pill, and
Stella had never confessed anything to her daughter. And then
Cindy told authorities that after the Then Cindy was like,
you know, ooh shit, just throw a pen at the microphone.
Oh I want to also say okay, okay, hold on boop,
let me think.

Speaker 3 (01:02:14):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:02:15):
But then Cindy was like, you know what might work.
My mom started after the Fox Club thing. My mom
started to check out books on poison at the fucking library.

Speaker 3 (01:02:22):
Girl. This is like that part of seven where they
just go and they look up all the books.

Speaker 1 (01:02:27):
The person looked, that's right, and they did that. They
got a fucking search warrant or whatever. They got all
the books. They found the books that she had checked
out at the Auburn Public Library and showed that she
had checked out numerous books about poisons, including a book
called human Poisoning. Oh girl, get a little more subtle
and native and cultivated plants and deadly harvest. So they

(01:02:52):
fucking fingerprint that shit. Yeah, a fingerprints that shit.

Speaker 3 (01:02:56):
It only has roughly fifteen hundred fingerprints, that's right.

Speaker 1 (01:03:00):
But they also subpoenured her I don't know, you know
card for sure information. Yeah, and saw that she checked
it out. They found her fingerprints on it, including the
page that belonged to Cyanide, And they have their.

Speaker 3 (01:03:12):
What they can do.

Speaker 1 (01:03:13):
And also, so what they think happened was that she
poisoned her husband.

Speaker 3 (01:03:18):
He died.

Speaker 1 (01:03:20):
The doctor wouldn't would only say it was on phasema.
So to get it back to the fucking poison she
went out after that and put poison fucking bottles on
the shelf.

Speaker 3 (01:03:29):
Oh my godness.

Speaker 1 (01:03:30):
Soe the reason Sue died a week later is because
those bottles hadn't been on the shelf yet. So if
the doctor had been like he got poisoned and it
was accidental poisoning.

Speaker 2 (01:03:39):
She would have gotten her money and left it alone, right,
But she went out and basically.

Speaker 1 (01:03:43):
Not saying it's the doctor's fault at all. But she
went out to garner more attention to get that accidental
death and killed Sue and killed Susan Snow. Wow, isn't
that fucking awful?

Speaker 2 (01:03:53):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:03:53):
Really, so it is.

Speaker 1 (01:03:55):
So on December ninth, nineteen eighty seven, Stella Nichols and
dieted by a federal grandeur on five counts of product tampering,
including two which results in the deaths of Susan Snow
and Bruce Nicol.

Speaker 3 (01:04:06):
So she's not.

Speaker 1 (01:04:07):
So it's federal because after the Tailanol murders, they the
FBI did a strict new federal Anti Tampering Act and
it was like super strict, you can't tamper with drugs.
So that's why it was federal. But so she wasn't
tried for their murders. Oh it was tampering that led
to the deaths of these two people.

Speaker 3 (01:04:28):
Why because that sentence would be longer something that was
a bigger deal. I don't know. So you said that,
just like my cousin Eileen. I don't know. I don't know.
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:04:38):
So she goes to trial in April of nineteen eighty eight.
Cindy agrees to fucking testify against her mother as long
as her mother doesn't get the fucking death penalty and
they're like, oh, great, that won't happen.

Speaker 2 (01:04:48):
Talk about Wow, what a complex relationship that.

Speaker 1 (01:04:52):
Yeah, Stella's found guilty on all charges. She becomes the
first person charged and convicted under this Federal Anti Tampering Act.
She sentenced to two ninety year terms for the charges
relating to the deaths of Susan Snow and Bruce Nicol
and three ten year terms for the other product tampering.

Speaker 3 (01:05:10):
She'll be eligible parole in this this fucking year. Oh
at seventy three years old.

Speaker 1 (01:05:14):
Jesus, So I think they're trying to also get the
figure out a way to charge.

Speaker 3 (01:05:19):
Her with murder as well.

Speaker 1 (01:05:20):
Yeah, but she fucking is like, I am innocent. This
is some bullshit. She's doing all these like appeals and
shit because she said there's a bunch of evidence that
was never turned over to the defense. She also claims
that her daughter lied in order to get that Remember
that three hundred thousand dollars that was offered to people
who could help by the draw companies. Yep, the daughter
got two hundred and fifty thousand of that money.

Speaker 3 (01:05:41):
So it's almost like she said, she said, like she's
doing it for money. She's doing it for yeah wow.

Speaker 1 (01:05:47):
Yeah, so but fucking stell and Nicol continues to maintain
her innocence.

Speaker 3 (01:05:54):
Yeah, have a girl, I know. Girl doesn't look good
for you. It does. There's too many coincidences. There's too many.
And that's Seattle Cyanide poisonings.

Speaker 2 (01:06:02):
That's amazing because I remember the Excedrin one coming after
tailand all.

Speaker 3 (01:06:07):
Yeah, I did not know it was that involved in.

Speaker 1 (01:06:10):
Crazy crazy Yeah, how did I? I didn't really know
about it either, so nuts yeah, oh what uh hey,
let's talk about positive shit?

Speaker 3 (01:06:21):
Hey, yeah, what do you got? Okay?

Speaker 1 (01:06:25):
Okay, okay, oh look, okay, okay, I don't know, and
I don't know, but okay. I love the new season
of Big Mouth, of course, but my uh please go
watch The Curious Creations of Christine McConnell on Netflix. Everyone
it is. It's there, everyone's saying, and it's so true.
It's like Tim Burton meets Martha Stewart. Oh but it

(01:06:48):
was also filmed at Jim Henson's studios, I think, because
there's puppets and shit involved. It is so charming and good.
And I know the girl, Christine McConnell, she's so talented,
the self taught, like you're not gonna feld do a
lot of the projects she shows you how to do,
but they're really fun to watch, and some of them
you will and you'll get a.

Speaker 3 (01:07:04):
Lot of tips.

Speaker 1 (01:07:05):
But it's also such a cute, fun show and it's
so enjoyable. Christina's lovely. My friend, my friend Kate Parovich
does all the hair for it too. It's just and
I gotta go on set, and it's just like it's
a really charming fun show.

Speaker 3 (01:07:17):
So sorry. It's like a craft show.

Speaker 1 (01:07:19):
It's like a cooking and craft show with a storyline
that she is this macabre like woman who lives in
the house with her pets, which are these like this
this raccoon that had that she taxed hermide and came
back to life and it's but it's got like a
fork for a hand. And her name's Rose and I'm
in love with her and like the Sphinx cat who

(01:07:40):
was this Egyptian god and he's just amazing.

Speaker 3 (01:07:44):
So she's real.

Speaker 2 (01:07:45):
This is she's a really scripted like she's this reality
show almost.

Speaker 1 (01:07:50):
It's it's like a scripted cooking show. Okay, so it's
like Giada Dala renis if she and Tim Burton made
a show. But she shows you how to make these
things that I know. I've followed her on Instagram forever.
She's just incredibly talented and really really cool girl. But
it's really cute and charming and fun, and I think
kids will like it. It's a little bit it's for adults,
but they won't get a lot of the jokes, So

(01:08:12):
I think a really cool, talented kid will really appreciate it.
I feel like it's going to be one of those
shows in twenty years that someone's like when I was eleven,
I sho I saw this show and I knew I
wanted to be whatever.

Speaker 3 (01:08:21):
Yeah, it's just it's a really charming show. Awesome.

Speaker 1 (01:08:24):
Yeah, I loved I watched the whole season. It's like
six episodes in one night. Very cool, and it's on Netflix.

Speaker 3 (01:08:29):
Awesome. Yeah. Yeah, I'm just trying to get a sense
of like it's.

Speaker 2 (01:08:34):
Crafts but also it's scripts.

Speaker 1 (01:08:38):
And there's Yeah, it's like you come into her house,
it's like her family. Like you come into her house
and she shows you how to make all these things
based on whatever day they're having or whatever is going on.
It's just a really cute show and Christina is just
lovely cool.

Speaker 3 (01:08:53):
Yeah to see it.

Speaker 2 (01:08:53):
Yeah, Well mine this week would be to mention that
Tales from the Tour Bus has started again this season.
So last season it was all country Stars and I
talked about it extensively. It's my Judges series on Cinemax.
This season they're doing the story of Funk and the
first episode, which aired I think last week was all

(01:09:16):
about George Clinton.

Speaker 3 (01:09:17):
And Parliament and Abu se Collins amazing and.

Speaker 2 (01:09:20):
That story about them playing being on acid and playing
and then the lights go on it's three in the morning,
and no one say yeah, Like there's just stories where
you're just like, this is what it's all about. Yeah,
it's so it's so good and it's so incredible and
the fact that they change genres and like it's so interesting. Anyway,
So I'm just super glad it's on again because it's

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one of my favorite favorites.

Speaker 3 (01:09:43):
It's great. So yeah, watch Tales from the Tour Bush.
I think that's it.

Speaker 2 (01:09:49):
And just and also just we talked about it already,
but we I mean the week we had last week
was so fun and exciting and cool, and there was
just lots of real, humongous like peak experiences and big
moments for us, and we they just kept coming. So
it's like it was hard to I feel like if
we had shows in between, we would have like spent

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good time isolating and going, wow, that was amazing, thank
you so much.

Speaker 1 (01:10:14):
But I mean this whole I feel like we haven't
been able to do that for almost three years because
everything has just been so peak and crazy and it
keeps coming and it's just never ending and so fun
and we're so lucky.

Speaker 3 (01:10:26):
Oh, I have a quick Yeah, it's been very it's
been very exciting.

Speaker 1 (01:10:30):
Hold on.

Speaker 2 (01:10:31):
For as much as we are complaining and talking about
being tired, right, it's also.

Speaker 3 (01:10:35):
In a good way.

Speaker 1 (01:10:36):
Oh. Also shout out to Cincinnati Murderinos. They may they
raised twelve hundred and sixty seven dollars for rain shit
during their murder.

Speaker 3 (01:10:45):
Ball in October.

Speaker 1 (01:10:47):
Nice they said, yes, we had a murder ball with
music and dancing and costumes and a cookie bar and
a photo booth.

Speaker 3 (01:10:53):
Yeah, we made you proud.

Speaker 1 (01:10:54):
You fucking did you did? I think Cincinnati Murneria is
this whole thing is just bananas.

Speaker 3 (01:10:59):
Oh.

Speaker 2 (01:10:59):
I would all like to say this because the midterm
elections just happened, and everyone busted their ass.

Speaker 3 (01:11:06):
Everyone voted.

Speaker 2 (01:11:07):
There's the highest they say it was the highest percentage.

Speaker 3 (01:11:10):
Of youth vote ever amazing.

Speaker 2 (01:11:13):
Or something like that like that. The difference is like
hundreds of percentages up. So thank you all the like,
you know, twenty year olds that kind of weren't paying
attention before and all of a sudden, we're like, we
got to take part because real change was affected in
this in this last election, and this like we're stuck

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in this media like a media kind of turnover where
nobody ever focuses on how good things are that when
the good things happen, they just speed right to, well
this problem and that problem that's going to be coming up.
But hundreds of women were elected into the government, like
major changes happen, and I think, like it's really good

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to go find those stories where you know, people are
grassroots style taking back this country and pulling it back
from out of the hands of these fucking lunatics and
these hate bongers and these literal Nazis. People are standing
up and going, no, fuck you, that's not how it's
going to go. And I know, personally, I was just

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really scared on Tuesday that it wasn't going to go
that way and that there was going to be a
lot of like really negative things that happened, and there
was so much to be excited for the next day, hopefully,
hopefully with the recount with Stacy Abrams that she will.
I mean, it's kind of amazing.

Speaker 3 (01:12:36):
We're going to Atlanta and that's where like the biggest
story in the election is happening totally now, totally, but
just thanks to everybody who voted and participated and like,
stay positive and stay engaged because there's more work to
be done.

Speaker 1 (01:12:50):
Even if you didn't get the outcome you wanted. It
was you affect change when you show when you show up.

Speaker 3 (01:12:55):
When you show up and you and you vote for
people you believe in and you which means voting against.

Speaker 2 (01:13:00):
The straight up we that's happening in this country. It's
so fucking crazy and awful. Also, listen to pod Save America,
which is like cutting edge podcasting about the political system
right now. If you don't know things or you want
to know, there's so much information just right at hand,

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and it's easier than ever to be informed.

Speaker 3 (01:13:24):
And to take back this country.

Speaker 2 (01:13:27):
So thank you for everybody who did it and participated
because it's so important.

Speaker 1 (01:13:33):
Yeah yeah, yeah, right everybody, And thank you guys so
much for listening.

Speaker 3 (01:13:37):
We appreciate it so fucking much. Yeah, and stay sexy
and don't get murdered. Goodbye, Elvis. What cookie there?

Speaker 1 (01:13:47):
It is