15 - Definitely Not Episode 16

The theme this week is "murders from the year 2000," with Harold Shipman and the Setagay Family Murders taking the stage.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:15):
We're recording YEP A podcast.

Speaker 2 (00:19):
What episode of My Favorite Murder is this?

Speaker 1 (00:22):
This one's episode fifteen one five, one, A one and
a five.

Speaker 2 (00:27):
It comes after the number fourteen. That's by the way.
Congratulations on picking that amazing, Oh God, thank you.

Speaker 1 (00:33):
I feel like the spirit of Prince was with me
when I wrote that Sexy Mother fourteen.

Speaker 2 (00:37):
It was perfect.

Speaker 1 (00:37):
I need. I wanted it to be an homage to
the man that we lost, and yet at the same
time still serve no purpose for what we're trying to
get done, which is let people know what we're talking
about on our podcast.

Speaker 2 (00:49):
Well, I really have no way of knowing, and so
they have to listen.

Speaker 1 (00:52):
It's a it's a mystery wrapped in an enigma called
My Favorite Murder. Welcome everybody. That's Georgia Hart's.

Speaker 2 (01:00):
That's Karen Kilgareff.

Speaker 3 (01:02):
This is episode fifteen, which we didn't realize until five
minutes ago.

Speaker 2 (01:06):
We thought it was episode sixteen this whole time, which.

Speaker 1 (01:09):
Is why.

Speaker 2 (01:12):
Why did we both do that?

Speaker 3 (01:13):
Which is why this episode's theme is murders that happened
sixteen years.

Speaker 1 (01:17):
Ago, even though it's episode.

Speaker 3 (01:19):
Now makes no sense h except that I mean, I
guess we could have just done millennial murders and said
that we meant to do it, and it was because
we wanted murders that were in two thousand.

Speaker 2 (01:29):
But we're not going to pretend that we're smarter than
we are.

Speaker 1 (01:32):
Let's not try to cover any of our flaws or blemishes.

Speaker 2 (01:35):
This is this is what makes us us.

Speaker 1 (01:37):
Yeah, this is we're human beings. We have no support.
We don't even have one person that could go, hey, guys,
nice conversation about the sixteenth episode. Why don't you save
that for next week? This is the fifteenths.

Speaker 3 (01:50):
Like we've said from the very beginning, we're not experts
on anything except for.

Speaker 1 (01:55):
Our own feelings, right we are.

Speaker 3 (01:57):
Yeah, we're amateur sleuths with numbers and murders.

Speaker 1 (02:03):
Yep, that have stumbled into a conversational podcast about the
thing we love the most. Death, Death Death.

Speaker 3 (02:12):
Do you think your anxiety of a true crime is
like subsided at a little since this podcast started?

Speaker 1 (02:17):
You know what's funny, Georgia heart start, I don't have
that much anxiety about true crime. You you have the
when you talk about it, it's like, uh, it seems
to me to be like a thing that releases your anxiety,
which I relate to, but I more have a morbid

(02:38):
fascination that borders on I think I might want to
do this, Like that's that's the dance that I'm dancing.
He kind of little bit, I mean, not genuinely, but
in that way of like this is an option.

Speaker 2 (02:53):
That's concerning to me sitting in a room alone with you, just.

Speaker 1 (02:56):
In that way of like I feel like that's the
genuine truth that I should state.

Speaker 2 (03:02):
I get it.

Speaker 3 (03:02):
It's like that thing of like I could steer my
car off this road right now over a bridge exactly.

Speaker 1 (03:07):
Or have you ever heard that thing where it's a
very real thing. Pilots cannot look at the ground when
they're flying airplanes or they'll fly the airplane into the ground. Yeah,
it's called I'm making this up completely right now. It's
called something like ground hypnosis. The the word hypnosis is
in it. That sounds right, but it's basically the thing
of like if you look at it, you'll do it
because your brain knows it's not supposed to right.

Speaker 3 (03:29):
Also, like jumping off if you're on a tall building,
you have to like not stand near the ledge because
you might just fucking throw yourself over the ledge.

Speaker 2 (03:35):
You know this.

Speaker 1 (03:36):
There was an amazing conversation that you got into on
the Facebook page. This is all unwanted thoughts or dangerous thoughts.

Speaker 2 (03:43):
That was great.

Speaker 1 (03:43):
I loved that conversation. It was so fucking cool. And
as I was reading it, you know, I don't I
wouldn't say I suffer from that as a real disorder,
like something that really I have to deal with every day.
But I also thinking as I was reading it, I
feel like that's a very human thing to have. I
understand that the people that were talking about are talking

(04:05):
about it's problematic and it's like it's interrupting their ways.
I wanted thoughts of killing, that they might accidentally kill someone,
or all those things. It was like jumping off of
jumping off of something or but I had it really bad.
I know that it's a side effect of having anxiety
because when I got I got very convinced. When my
niece was like three or four, that she was going

(04:26):
to die and I was I got very obsessive about it.
My sister would be like, oh, I dropped her off
and I leaned to go swimming, and I'd be like,
she's gonna be There's I was like I would get
really upset and be like, why aren't you staying there?
And she's like, what's wrong with you? And I finally
had to tell her I felt so crazy, And I
finally had to tell my sister like I'm just convinced
that she's going.

Speaker 2 (04:47):
To die it.

Speaker 1 (04:47):
My siter goes, oh, yeah, so am I every day
that's part of it. And then I just went oh, like, oh, oh,
that's just the fear of like I have that every day.

Speaker 2 (04:55):
Oh it's someone with anyone.

Speaker 1 (04:57):
Yeah, like with Vince, I'm just like mentally preparing myself
for something happening, and it's like just terrible and not fun.
But I think that's a I guess my only point
is I think it's a very human thing to put
yourself through. Yeah, and I want to be ready it's
just an anxiety issue too, and get aware of it
so it doesn't like take over my life. But I

(05:19):
love the fact that that Facebook page can actually be
a place where people get to talk about stuff like
that totally and find other people to go I'm totally
with you.

Speaker 2 (05:27):
Yeah, it's awesome. Yeah, I get that. I like that
a lot totally.

Speaker 1 (05:32):
And speak while we're on the topic, we'll just say this,
speaking officially for this podcast, we only want to use
our Facebook page to talk positively about what we like,
or what we are scared of, or what we're going through.
We do not endorse anybody talking shit on other podcasts
on our Facebook page. It's gotten a little weird where

(05:54):
it's become a topic in and of itself, and the
bottom line is we have no interest in talking shit
on other podcasts at all, so please don't do it.

Speaker 3 (06:04):
We only mentioned the podcast we like because guys, there's
room for everyone. Yeah, and if you don't fucking like it,
don't listen to it.

Speaker 1 (06:11):
Don't listen to it, but certainly don't bring it over
to our Facebook page to talk about because it's not
It's not something we want to endorse or even be
a part of. Do you think that people who aren't
on the Facebook page are sick of hearing about the wonderful, beautiful,
awesome Facebook page. I'm positive they are. It's like being
like the girl let my school set. Yeah, that's basically
what it is.

Speaker 2 (06:31):
I can't wait till we're selling the T shirts. It's
so soon.

Speaker 1 (06:34):
Oh that's right. Georgia has really hustled it up. And
she's gotten some T shirt designs ready and I think
how soon.

Speaker 3 (06:42):
Is the next week? So it's going to be a
pre order, yes, and then they'll get sent out in
like two weeks. So if you will, the pre order
will be open, then it'll be closed, then it'll be
open again. Then you know what happens after things close,
they open again, they.

Speaker 1 (06:55):
Open again always. That's a cycle of life. And that's
the official my favorite murder T shirt that we're going
to have for you.

Speaker 2 (07:02):
First one very exciting yep, So, hey, what happened sixteen
years ago?

Speaker 1 (07:10):
And how does that relate to our fifteenth episode Millennial Murders?
Millennial y two? K? Why too? What too?

Speaker 2 (07:19):
Murder? Now?

Speaker 1 (07:21):
Now I'm thinking what I've had better luck if I
had looked through nineteen ninety nine murders, because two thousand
was like when I was trying to go through all
of the date or all of the stuff that happened. Yeah,
that whole year.

Speaker 2 (07:32):
It was hard.

Speaker 1 (07:33):
And also it's like it's weird the news the news
that came up. I did find a really good mass
murder from a death cult, but it was in Uganda. Yeah,
it was the something along the lines of like the
Holy Order of the Live by the Ten Commandments of
God cult and like over two hundred and fifty people died.

(07:55):
It was basically kind of their modern version of a
Jim Jones Jonestown.

Speaker 2 (08:00):
And I've been looking at photos from that a lot lately.

Speaker 1 (08:02):
From Jonestown. Yeah, why are they all found face down?
They're all faced down, facing towards I think someone posed
them after they died, you do, Yeah, so everything looked uniform.

Speaker 3 (08:15):
It looks mellow and not a big fucking mess. I
think that you know, people stayed alive after or the
or the army that they had the local army posed everyone,
because if you look at the photos, they're all it's
almost like they are laying down with their heads facing
Jim Jones is.

Speaker 1 (08:33):
Like thrown his weirdo throne.

Speaker 3 (08:37):
Yeah, and some of them have their arms around each other.
It's like very orderly, and it's so creepy.

Speaker 1 (08:42):
It's the creepiest I've heard. I would say, twenty seconds
of that tape lot of him talking, don't do that to.

Speaker 2 (08:49):
Yourself into the whole thing you did. Oh, I've done
that multiple times.

Speaker 1 (08:52):
Who Because I'm.

Speaker 3 (08:54):
So curious, because I'm so fascinated by that one.

Speaker 1 (09:00):
Tiny moment that I listened to I can replay in
my head. It feels like verbatim.

Speaker 3 (09:04):
I listened to it, and I read the transcripts, and
I read a bunch. There was an ama on read
it by a woman who was a survivor who got out,
like got out a couple months before, but her mom
and brother died in there because they were high ups. Yeah,
so she was talking about what happened. She listened to
the tape and was like, here's here's what people were saying,
and here's what they meant. Who was saying what? It's

(09:26):
so fascinating to me.

Speaker 1 (09:28):
It's really the thing, the fact that it happened in
San Francisco, like close to where I grew up, and
there was a bunch of people of all walks of
life trying to start a utopia. I mean that every
element of it is such an amazing, horrifying story. Yeah,
it just is so like it's the classic don't go

(09:49):
to a second location with someone named Jim Jones, you know,
or a hippie, the thirty Rock jokes right exactly.

Speaker 3 (09:57):
Or the scientific I was just reading today about how
the David Miskovich's wife Shelley Miskovich is like missing as
fuck yep for years, for years, and they finally put
out a police report for her missing persons.

Speaker 2 (10:09):
But there's some like.

Speaker 3 (10:09):
Compound where they keep like high ups and like just
torture them constantly in Florida. Yeah, I think so, So
she's probably there.

Speaker 2 (10:18):
So don't go.

Speaker 1 (10:19):
Don't say you'll go somewhere else with someone. No, don't
go anywhere. Don't go anywhere, leave your house, stay in
your apartment. You know, that makes me think they've got
to rescind the religious tax status for Scientology. It's been
proven that it's not an actual religion, saying that it's
basically a humongous pyramid scheme. I apologize if it's your

(10:41):
religion and you're offended right now. I don't think they
don't want me to be mad at me. But you're
in a cult, call your dad or someone that can
help you.

Speaker 2 (10:48):
Your parents actually love you, even.

Speaker 1 (10:50):
If even if they're a a negator. What's it called scientology?

Speaker 2 (10:55):
You're a negative something?

Speaker 1 (10:57):
Yeah, you're like you've got body thetans and you're you're
you're shit. There's a specific word trophy. No, that was
last week. Yeah, how many people evidence on the Yeah
on the Twitter twitter feed just wrote Trophy. It was
making me laugh so hard.

Speaker 2 (11:16):
Word we kept forgetting last week?

Speaker 1 (11:17):
Yeah, that one, you know with what they keep, we keepsakes.

Speaker 3 (11:21):
I apologize for I couldn't listen to last week's episode
because my mic was not screwed on properly and there
were all these jiggling noises through the whole thing. And
I'm fucking sorry, And I hope you guys got through it,
because I think it was a really good I was
like so happy about the episode and I went to
listen to it and I was like, I can't even
listen to this.

Speaker 1 (11:37):
It was a little I did listen to it, but
I'm used to. I mean, it's diy baby, That's what
we're doing.

Speaker 2 (11:44):
That's true.

Speaker 1 (11:45):
And compared to some that some like they're being recorded
in a can in Alaska, we're I think we're a
couple steps ahead, so too in terms of.

Speaker 2 (11:53):
That do you want to go first? To want me
to go first?

Speaker 1 (12:01):
I think I think I went first last night. I didn't.

Speaker 3 (12:05):
Yeah, So I looked up a ton of murders and
I was like kind of like, this is there's.

Speaker 1 (12:09):
Not a lot of great two thousand murders that just
like have a lot of information in them. We basically
panted ourselves into a corner.

Speaker 2 (12:14):
We totally do. We need to stop doing that.

Speaker 1 (12:16):
We need to stop immediately.

Speaker 2 (12:17):
We need to have texting.

Speaker 3 (12:18):
Each other on Sunday and being like or like Monday, Hey,
what's the topic? I don't know what do you want
the topic to be? I don't know you mentioned this? Okay,
let's do that.

Speaker 1 (12:27):
I think we need to go back to our original
gut feeling of I need to talk about this guy.

Speaker 3 (12:31):
I think let's try that next one. We're a woman, Yeah,
let's try that. Let's try that because I have a
couple that I really want to get to that and
we have to be really weird and specific topic.

Speaker 1 (12:39):
Yeah, we don't have to. Okay, nobody gives a shit, But.

Speaker 3 (12:41):
I did find I ended up finding a really good
one that I never had heard about, and I'm really
excited to talk about because it's fucked up and wonderful.
It's the Setagaya family murders.

Speaker 1 (12:51):
Okay, I don't think I've heard of that.

Speaker 3 (12:52):
On the morning of December thirty first, two thousand, so
I have a fucking day. I I'm a day away.

Speaker 2 (13:00):
I just made the cut. She just made the gun
him under the radar.

Speaker 3 (13:04):
In a home in Tokyo's stagay Award, mi Ko Miyazawa,
who's forty four, his forty one year old wife, Yasuko,
their eight year old daughter Nina, and six year old
son Ray were found dead in their home. The son
had been strangled and the other three were stabbed to death.
So the killer were killers, which isn't brought up a lot,

(13:27):
but I'm kind of I'll tell you more about that.
Entest through the bathroom window upstairs and goes to the
son's room. He smothers the little boy in his sleep.
How old, sorry, six year old? And then this father, Miko,
had been working in the study on the first floor.
Perhaps he heard something, so he climbs the stairs where
he encounters the home invader. They fight, and then so

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the father's body is found at the bottom of the stairwell,
stabbed to death. The killer had brought a sashimi knife
with him, which is a very long, thin blade, the
really fucking sharp, and the killer and father fought at
the staircase, and the killer damaged his knife in the process.
The killer then attacked the mother, Yesuko, and their eight

(14:09):
year old daughter Nina. It's Nina with two eyes, so
I don't know if that's supposed to be something else.
So they were sleeping together in the third floor loft
of the house. He couldn't finish the job because his
knife was broken, so he leaves and goes to the
kitchen to get another knife, and it's the family's first
aid kit was found open at the scene with some
of the daughter's blood on the bandages, So it seems

(14:31):
like when the killer walked out of the room, they
fought like maybe he was leaving, and so the mom
starts bandaging up the oh the womb, but he comes
off to finish them off, but he has to cover
their faces with cloth because while he's killing them, he
can't look at them. And yet he it's not a
simple murder.

Speaker 2 (14:50):
He like, it's a pretty brutal murder.

Speaker 3 (14:53):
So it's not like he couldn't look at them just
to kill them really quickly, which is weird. That's super weird,
And it's almost like it's personal, like he must know
them or something one would think anyways, or he doesn't
want them to look at him, let's see.

Speaker 1 (15:08):
Which means he might be having feelings, which means he's
probably not a psychopath.

Speaker 3 (15:12):
Right maybe, but right, but then then okay, da da
da da. He continued to stab their bodies after they
were dead. Okay, based on their stomach contents. The time
the family's death was placed at eleven thirty PM, and
the murderer was injured at some point because his blood

(15:33):
was found on bandages. But after killing the family, he
didn't leave. He stayed there overnight. He ate contents from
the fridge and he wandered around the house eating popsicles
like discarding them in the trash can and the study,
and two other wrappers in the kitchen.

Speaker 1 (15:55):
So he was just chilling out.

Speaker 2 (15:57):
He was literally just chilling out. He spent time.

Speaker 3 (15:59):
He went logged onto their their computer between midnight and
one am.

Speaker 2 (16:03):
He browsed the internet for five minutes.

Speaker 1 (16:06):
Visited where to go BuzzFeed.

Speaker 2 (16:08):
Well, actually they know.

Speaker 3 (16:09):
He went to the theater Company, which was a bookmark
by the wife. He tried to buy tickets, and his
fingerprints was found on the mouse but not the keyboards.
So maybe he was just like clicking things that were
already on the computer.

Speaker 1 (16:27):
What is it? What is he thinking? No, fingerprints can
only be on key boards. But maybe he was clicking
with his palm in the mouth.

Speaker 3 (16:33):
It's so weird. The thought process of this person doesn't
make any sense. Then again, sometime in the morning, he
used the computer for four minutes. He visited the web
page of the father's company and the daughter's school or
the son's school, and he killed the power to the
computer by pulling out the court which he took with
him from the crime scene. In the living room, credit cards,

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bank books, driver's license, and other personal identifying information were
spread out as if the suspect had been sorting through them.
And the second floor bathtub, more scattered papers were located,
such as receipts it them from the mother's school, towels,
sanitary products used to stop his bleeding, and other garbage.

Speaker 1 (17:13):
So he's got a Maxi pad on his stabbed arm
or whatever.

Speaker 3 (17:17):
Okay, he also and this is information that I don't know.
They he used the restroom and didn't flush, so they
have like they know, like his meal, but that he
ate before he came, which is like, dude, these people
in Tokyo were like hardcore detectives.

Speaker 1 (17:32):
Yeah, oh that's terrible. Whose department? Who gets that job.

Speaker 2 (17:36):
That sucks. Yeah, someone very low on the totem pole.

Speaker 3 (17:40):
Okay, at some point the killer, she can nap on
the couch in the living room, So he must have known,
like no one was coming home, no one was expecting them,
no one was like gonna come over, like because the
mother of the mother of the wife lived next door
and inn like attached house, So he how did he
know she wasn't going to come over and like hang out.

Speaker 1 (18:01):
Do you think he didn't know she was there? Or
and he's just like, I mean, because possibly murder an
entire family, you probably are crazy in some way, so
it would make sense that you're just like, I'll be
crazy and chill out and be a weirdo.

Speaker 2 (18:14):
Yeah, no one will even come over.

Speaker 3 (18:16):
Okay, yeah sometime around ten Okay, yeah you saw that. No,
I agree, It's well, this is so weird. This case
is really interesting because there's so many clues that I'll
get to that it should be it should be solved,
or this should be a really specific profile of this killer.
But I think all the clues are so weird that
they that they sully that they make it even harder.

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So around ten thirty eight to ten forty five, the
family computer received an email that had a required password open,
which means the family was still alive by them and
then but they must have been killed after midnight, before midnight.

Speaker 1 (18:53):
But didn't you say he broke in in the morning?

Speaker 2 (18:55):
No?

Speaker 1 (18:56):
Oh, okay, sorry, he broke in. I thought it was
like an all day torture thing. No, no, no, he's broken
in the evening. Okay, good good, yeah good? Yeah? Really right?

Speaker 2 (19:08):
Okay, So here's what's going on.

Speaker 3 (19:09):
There's a skate park right across the street to just
open up from the family's house, and they were annoyed
by the noise and they had already been planning to
move because of it, and a witness report seeing m
ke O arguing with the skateboarders a few days before
the crime. Another witness reported seeing the father arguing with a.

Speaker 2 (19:27):
Bike gang member or the bike gang crew.

Speaker 3 (19:31):
So he left behind a bunch of clothing that looked
like a skater would wear, and the police were also
able to determine the clone the suspect war, which is
a favorite brand of skateboarders. What I know, weird, right, So,
speaking of the stuff he left behind, let's see do

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do do in the Park, Okay. So trace amounts of
a red fluorescent agent were found on the suspect's clothing because.

Speaker 2 (20:00):
He left all of his clothing behind.

Speaker 3 (20:02):
He folded up his clothing and left it behind, which
is like when they were able to find so much
information from that that it.

Speaker 1 (20:09):
Seems like a setup.

Speaker 2 (20:10):
But it seems like a setup.

Speaker 3 (20:11):
They found they were able to find sand in his
pockets that they were able to conclude that it was
from the Edwards Air Force place in Las Vegas, Nevada. Wow,
Like that's how specific they were able to get, which
has led a lot of people to think that maybe
this guy was a skateboarder and his parents were working

(20:32):
in the military. They also did DNA testing on him
and were able to tell that he's mixed race with
the mother of Southern European descent and a father most
likely Korean.

Speaker 2 (20:44):
So his mixed race why.

Speaker 1 (20:46):
He could easily be from outside the country, right, So
maybe his parents, maybe his father or his mother worked
on the air Force base transferred to Japan, which means
his fingerprints wouldn't be on file because normally if you
come to if you come to Tokyo or you come
to Japan, your fingerprints are taken right anyways, so he
wouldn't be if he was just a kid of the military. Yeah, okay,

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So this red fluorescent agent found on the suspect's clothing
indicates that the suspect was involved in stage prop design
where this particular chemical is used, and it's not something
the family had or would have had around.

Speaker 3 (21:25):
And trace amounts were also found in the garage. However,
there was no indication the suspect had ever been in
the garage. This led investigators to believe that the suspect
may have had contact with the family prior to the killing.
And remember that he went to a page that she
had to buy tickets to buy tickets for a theater company.
So maybe she was the mom was involved in the theater.

Speaker 1 (21:47):
Company, or maybe that killer was content also continuing to
try to set up a person, right to indicate, because
you left the clothes there with that agent right then
you buy those tickets, you're definitely pointing out arrow.

Speaker 3 (22:01):
Or maybe he was stalking them and stalking her. Maybe
he had broken into the house before that the incident,
got in the garage somehow, like kind of kind of
profiling the house to see how he could get in there.
An old jacket was missing, and all of the families
happy New Year greeting cards were missing. They were like gone,

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which is so weird. Someone suggested maybe they had cash
in them, but they were saying that they're like happy
New Year's cards, which are like from friends.

Speaker 1 (22:29):
You'd really love that, that's a tradition or right.

Speaker 3 (22:34):
So some people say it looks like the work of
a professional killer because how easily he killed the children
was fine doing that.

Speaker 2 (22:42):
It's probably not his clothing since he left it behind.
And then.

Speaker 3 (22:48):
Maybe he wanted to look like a skater just to
kind of throw them off and be like lead them
in a different direction. Yeah, you know, that's just it's
just so many random things. And also, oh, they also
knew that the clothes were washed in hard water, not
soft water, so they hadn't.

Speaker 2 (23:05):
Been washed in Japan. Oh wow, I know, what a
weird little detail.

Speaker 1 (23:10):
I wonder does Vegas have hard water?

Speaker 2 (23:12):
Right? Probably? Right?

Speaker 1 (23:13):
Yeah, It's just it's just it's frustrating that they can
do so many little elements about these things but yet
not have a psychological profile or you know, just be
a little more specific as to who it could be,
Like they have an age range that's probably somewhere between
their twenties and thirties. Also, why was the little boy

(23:34):
strangled and everybody else stabbed? Is that purely just convenience
of you know, wherever his knife was? Or I mean,
like it's fascinating, like what the difference is, what the
details actually point to. That's why I can't stand once
that haven't been solved, because it doesn't teach you anything.

Speaker 2 (23:52):
That's why I love them, because there's just because they're so.

Speaker 3 (23:56):
It's such a bigger it's just a bigger I feel
like I'm let down when I'm like, oh, it's just
some shitthead psychopath.

Speaker 2 (24:04):
It's like not even worth anything.

Speaker 3 (24:07):
He should have just killed himself rather than like, there's
this mysterious guy in the world.

Speaker 1 (24:11):
It could be a big deal. It could be this
crazy cover up. Like all the possibilities.

Speaker 3 (24:15):
Are so much better than what the reality really reality is,
which is that it's some fucking asshole.

Speaker 1 (24:21):
Well, also, because you use your imagination, then you basically
write a mystery story of like it's a person that
worked with the wife at the theater company, dressed up
like a skateboarder, Like there's.

Speaker 3 (24:32):
Because she had told him there was a skate park
and he knew that there was issues.

Speaker 1 (24:36):
And there's problems and that's the perfect totally decoy.

Speaker 3 (24:39):
Oh maybe he just came to murder the father because
the father was you know, a business associate of his
and he he needed, you know, and just the family
wore witnesses and so he had to kill them all
and just kind of freaked out and stayed in the
house until he figured out what to do.

Speaker 1 (24:55):
But so that points away from a professional in any way.
So it does I think sodas like eating popsicles and
all that shit and shitting totally. It makes me think
of Mike from Breaking Bad and how when he goes
to do stuff like you've seen all that right where
he bought like the that was actually from Better Call Saul,
but uh, a character on there buys he knows he's

(25:19):
being followed and he wants to make sure nobody gets
the jump on him, so he buys a welcome mat
and underneath it he puts that love Ditto paper, so
he knew when people were standing at.

Speaker 2 (25:28):
His front door that is awesome.

Speaker 1 (25:29):
It was like stuff like that, I love that, or
when they put a light a small like watch underneath
the wheel of the car and when it runs over
there that the time stops.

Speaker 2 (25:38):
And when that person left. Yeah, didn't they do that
in that too?

Speaker 1 (25:41):
Probably? That was probably in Breaking Bad right.

Speaker 3 (25:43):
Some Yeah, some show I saw where they was like
a watch stopped at this time.

Speaker 2 (25:49):
That's what time they left.

Speaker 1 (25:50):
I had a roommate in San Francisco that used to
keep his pot in a drawer in his room, and
when I would go to steal it while he was
at work. One time I found a hairling of the top.
So I pulled picked the hair up, and I went
in and took the pot as much pot as I saw,
A fit that I deserved, didn't pay for, wasn't mine.
Shut the drawer and put the hair back. Yeah, so

(26:11):
he could. And then he's a stoner, so it was
just paranoid to accuse me of taking his pot.

Speaker 3 (26:16):
If you close the door, yeah, if you put a
little saliva on the hair and stick it to the
thing or a little tape on there, the hair will
break when you open the door.

Speaker 1 (26:30):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (26:31):
Love that trick.

Speaker 1 (26:32):
Love that trick. Never used it, but just the idea
that he and I were involved in those kind of
that level of spy versus spie totally stoner. Bullshit was
super enjoyable. It makes me want to ask all these questions,
but I don't want to put you in a bad position.
But it makes me go, like, are serial killers common
in Japan? Are rare? Like do we know anything culturally?

(26:55):
Because that's like that I feel like we never hear about.
It's like every once in a while, you hear about
that terrible girl, the girl that got tortured for forty
days by this awful fucking high schoolers, or there was
one guy that killed children that they caught recently or whatever,
But it's not like here where they're fucking coming out
of everybody's asshole, or it's.

Speaker 3 (27:16):
A lot of gang gang killings, right, yeah, it doesn't
seem like there, or like mass killings, but not as many,
like sereal.

Speaker 1 (27:24):
No, people not sneaking in your window and killing an
entire family.

Speaker 3 (27:28):
And someone hypothesized that that's why the cops have a
lot of forensic capabilities but not a lot of problems,
like because they don't deal with a lot of murders
like this, so they couldn't really put it together as
to what would happen.

Speaker 1 (27:40):
Right, yeah, yeah, And they say the cops are I
don't know if it's that way anymore, but for a
long time the cops in Japan were just completely in
bed with the Yeah, what is it?

Speaker 2 (27:50):
Azuka?

Speaker 1 (27:54):
Don't bring it up if you don't know, Karen, don't
mention it if you don't know the words.

Speaker 2 (27:58):
Listen, this is an uncu unedited podcast. In your faith.
We don't want to look smart for you.

Speaker 1 (28:03):
We're in your face with our ignorance. Yeah, it doesn't matter, No,
it doesn't. So that's my Yeah, that's a good one,
said a guy. A family murders, and how long ago
did it happen?

Speaker 2 (28:16):
Sixteen years ago?

Speaker 3 (28:17):
Oh, that's right, And there's been there as there's been
two forty six hundred officers involved in the case to date,
which seems like too many. Yeah, and they've received more
than sixteen thousand pieces of information from the public.

Speaker 2 (28:32):
Get the killer remains at our?

Speaker 1 (28:34):
What's that? What's that old lady next door? Now that's
what I want to know? That her daughter's her entire family.
I mean she must and I'm still alive.

Speaker 2 (28:42):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (28:43):
But the house has left the same like left, Oh,
like nobody's moved in there.

Speaker 1 (28:48):
There's your horror movie. Sure, people go there right in
every year and place fat flowers on the date and stuff.

Speaker 2 (28:54):
It's sad.

Speaker 3 (28:54):
It was like a sweet looking little family, of course.
I mean not that they would deserve it if they
were not be looking, but they just look very normal, right,
It's really sad what happened. Yeah, But the fact that
the guy was comfortable staying in a house with murdered
people means he had to be a little bit crazy,
because they were saying, like, you know, if you kill

(29:17):
someone for the first time, you like don't want to
be in the house with the fucking dead bodies anymore.

Speaker 2 (29:20):
It's creepy.

Speaker 1 (29:22):
Yeah, it's creepy.

Speaker 2 (29:23):
So maybe he was.

Speaker 1 (29:23):
He murdered children for Christ's sake. Wow. Yeah, well turn
yourself in please.

Speaker 2 (29:30):
Yeah, if you're listening.

Speaker 1 (29:33):
We're huge in Japan, so we know that this has
a long reach, and we have a lot of influence
over murderers, and we have a lot of influence in general.
Everyone knows that we'll tell him, we'll give him a
free shirt if he comes in. You don't have to
wear your dumb, army brack clothes anymore. No, here's the

(29:53):
thing I know about skateboarders. They're massively chill. They don't
murder families, not on the whole. The idea that you
were trying to set up someone from a culture that's
all about hanging and just being kind of cool with
everybody is a mistake. Yeah, skater boy, in my opinion, yeah,

(30:14):
my murder is like the one you talked about of
a boring person that's just some guy when you find
out you go this shlub. But he's kind of like
the height of that, which I think is really fascinating
every time I've seen him on your twenty twenty twenty,
or your forty eight hours or your twenty eight hours,

(30:36):
the combo.

Speaker 3 (30:37):
Program a little longer, a little longer day, twenty eight hours.

Speaker 2 (30:41):
It's a little bit longer of a day.

Speaker 1 (30:42):
It's so much murder that we have to extend the
day four hours. So mine and a lot of people
have talked about this on the Facebook page. Sorry to
mention it again, but it's doctor Harold Shipman, who was
a GP in England. He had uh I think it
was it's near Manchester. I'm not going to talk about

(31:03):
England like I know anymore, because did you see the
posts about how wrong I was about the accent from
Happy Valley. It was hilarious. How wrong I was?

Speaker 2 (31:13):
Oh it sounded right to me. Uh, of course it date.

Speaker 1 (31:15):
And the thing I forget is there's people in other
countries listening to me bullshit.

Speaker 3 (31:20):
People keep saying to us, when are you going to
cover Australian like. Australia's got some like gnarally murders, good ones,
crazy on. We got to do a couple of Australia
episodes at some point.

Speaker 1 (31:30):
Well, we did touch on it with your guy, the
mystery man that they think they've solved. Did you see
that article of the Doubt? What's that guy's called? The God?
Your guy? I know, I know, it's Oh, forget it,
let's forget it. So my guy, doctor Harold, Have I
mentioned that anxiety and I don't sleep at night?

Speaker 2 (31:51):
I don't sleep at night?

Speaker 1 (31:52):
Have I mentioned that this is just a podcast? And uh,
if you need to know factual shit, go ahead and
log on to CNN dot com. Ye don't, okay? So
Doctor Harold Shipman is a doctor. He studied at the
Leads School of Medicine. He graduated in nineteen seventy and

(32:12):
the interesting about thing about him to note is that
his mother, who he was very close to, UH had
lung cancer, and so she used to uh have morphine
administered to her in the end stages. Lung cancer is

(32:33):
terrible fucking disease and it's very bad in the end.
And she died because a doctor gave her morphine and
basically it ended up killing her.

Speaker 2 (32:50):
And gus are an accident.

Speaker 1 (32:52):
Well, I just think it was like near the end,
you know, maybe it was just like one too many
it does. I don't know the details. But he witnessed
the pain go away, even though she had this terrible
lung cancer, and he watched doctors come and basically take
it away and whatever, and then she died like in

(33:14):
one of those uh in one of those moments, and
he was there for all that. And it was when
he was seventeen, so it's kind of a crucial time.
So we're this is a person who is smart enough
to become a doctor, but who goes for this incredibly
traumatic experience growing up. So the fuck was that? It

(33:36):
just sounded like the wind went through your hallway a
little scary, a little bit there, some weird noise just.

Speaker 2 (33:41):
Now and at my house.

Speaker 1 (33:42):
It was kind of crunchy, sounded also the other day,
just off topic, I was standing in my kitchen. I
had just gotten some water, and I was just standing
in the kitchen drinking water, and the dog was standing
there with me, and then one of the cabinet doors
just closed it, probably because I, well, mine are the
kind word it's like open or clothes. So I think

(34:04):
I probably had left it open just enough so that
it was still open but closed itself, I know, but
it was long enough. It was literally like four minutes
had passed, so I forgot that. I forgot that i'd
even opened it. And my dog. It was the kind
of thing where my dog looked at me like what
the fuck? And that scared me Instead of just it
being no big deal, she like looked around like what
just happened?

Speaker 2 (34:25):
I'm so scared right now that he comes flying out
of my fucking.

Speaker 1 (34:29):
Well, we're here together, and we'll record it and it'll
it'll get It'll be really popular.

Speaker 2 (34:33):
It'll be huge.

Speaker 1 (34:34):
People would love to hear that. Yeah, what a way
to go. Uh okay, So this is what I love.
He goes to medical school. He graduates in nineteen seventy
In nineteen seventy five, so five years later he's off
on his way of becoming a doctor. He uh gets
caught for forging Demaroll prescriptions and he gets fined six

(34:57):
hundred pounds. He goes to rehab in New York and
don't know where that is, won't talk about where it is.
Then he ends up working at Donnybrook Medical Center in Hyde,
which is near Manchester. All of this is off Wikipedia,
I don't know it actually.

Speaker 2 (35:14):
In my own head.

Speaker 1 (35:15):
So he basically starts working at this place in nineteen
seventy seven, and he works there throughout the eighties, and
then he starts his own surgery in nineteen ninety three.
He's a respected member of the community. He's just your
standard awesome doctor until nineteen ninety eight when Deborah Massey

(35:38):
from Frank Massey and Son's funeral parlor goes to the
corner and says, we're getting a lot of deaths from
doctor Shipman's patience, and there's a lot of cremation forms
that he's the only person that has to sign it,
like come on, man, yeah, or maybe they I'm sorry,

(36:01):
they the funeral home needs to countersign the cremation okay,
But that's when she notices and ends up going to
another doctor and being like, here's the thing. There's all
these old ladies, red flag, no autopsies, going straight to cremation.
It's all from good old doctor Shipman down the street.
Maybe somebody should look into this. And she's gonna end

(36:22):
up dead, isn't she? Uh No, not that I know,
but it could be not according to Wikipedia.

Speaker 2 (36:31):
In my wildest imagination, she was.

Speaker 1 (36:35):
She had a needle in her neck that night.

Speaker 2 (36:37):
Cremated.

Speaker 1 (36:38):
So they start the shipment report. They start to look
into it in the police department, but of course what
do they do. What do they always do? They assign
it to inexperienced cops, so they don't really find any
serious problems. It's all kind of like, well, we can't
prove anything. It's that old thing, and so everyone trusts
a doctor. It's a doctor. He is a beer. He

(37:00):
looks so plain. He's totally the person that you would
see waiting for the bus and never look at twice.

Speaker 3 (37:06):
I didn't know a lot of the story, but I've
seen his photo and he looks just like like, he
looks like your stepdad exactly.

Speaker 1 (37:12):
Yes, And he ruins it because he isn't exciting and
he didn't do. He didn't do these. He's one of
the I think they say that he's like the biggest
serial killer there is because of the numbers. They just
can't prove the numbers. But like so they proved three
for sure. So he went, you know, he went to jail,

(37:34):
ended up hanging himself because you know of all of it.
But then once they start digging into it and they
do what they call the Shipman Report, they assign people
to look into all of the people that he has treated,
all of the people that have died and were cremated,
and it's basically a majority of elderly women who up

(37:56):
until that point were in perfectly fine.

Speaker 3 (37:59):
They didn't go in with like long term illnesses that
he helped them get out of.

Speaker 1 (38:04):
He was just like it wasn't Likekvorkian. Yeah, it wasn't
an Unofficialkivorkian. It was an old lady would go to
doctor Shipman because she'd be like, these corns on my
feet or whatever, because he's a GP, which here means
general practice means like you go to them for whatever.
I have a sore throat, I think I got the flu.
When I'm old, we have to be careful sounds good,
sounds good fucking But.

Speaker 3 (38:25):
In his mind, was he like I'm getting I'm helping
you not have to ever go through this like in
his or is he just enjoying?

Speaker 1 (38:32):
Well, I'm positive he enjoyed it, because what that is
is you basically are becoming the angel of death. So
and apparently that's a very common thing in doctors, is
they get the God complex where they can save your
life and and the healthy, normal ones, which is hopefully
the majority. I almost immediately said majority, which who knows

(38:53):
they're all about saving and doing no harm and they
get all their joy and power from saving you. But
there are the ones, and it happens, you know, it
happens to nurses a lot too. Yeah, where they get
the joy from deciding that it's time for you to go.
And you can see where the logic would be. If
his mother was suffered with lung cancer and he watched

(39:16):
somebody give her morphine and kind of like make it
all go away, you could see the logic behind it's
an old lady, she's living. Maybe once he gets to
know them, I'm not sure the details, but like that,
he basically decides, like you should, we're going to wrap
this up for you.

Speaker 2 (39:32):
Kind of know his mindset.

Speaker 3 (39:33):
I really wanted to read his manifesto, which sounds like
he's the kind of person who would write one.

Speaker 1 (39:38):
Yeah, I'm sorry, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (39:39):
I'm just saying if he had, like, yeah, like, I'm
so curious about his mindset, if he was being like
malicious or if he thought he was like doing something good.

Speaker 1 (39:49):
Well, I think he thought he was doing good. I
did see want a murder show on this on Doctor Shipman,
and I do remember being bored while I was watching it. Yeah,
because once I got the fact that basically he would
it would be people who were in fine health, elderly ladies.

(40:09):
He also was suspected of causing the death of a
four year old child in the early days, so there
could have been like it could be that thing where
that was a mistake. But then what he realized was
he could have the joy of having that same thrill
of killing someone but cover it so perfectly.

Speaker 2 (40:26):
It sounds a little like Munchausen by proxy, doesn't it.

Speaker 1 (40:29):
Yes, but he's not getting empathy or sympathy. He's getting power.

Speaker 3 (40:35):
It's probably also getting praise in a way that's like,
I don't know, like there's something about it too, where
it's like, oh, thank you doctor for everything you tried
to do, and you you know, yeah, that kind of thing.

Speaker 1 (40:46):
Yes, And maybe it's the what I think is kind
of interesting is like, so when you're a doctor, you
are the elite people can in the way communities are based,
it's like you're the one person that can help. You're
the person everybody goes to. You're you. You automatically are
the person people trust because you do all this good

(41:07):
and you're upstanding in the community or whatever. So when
like a taxi driver goes and says, hey, guess what,
my mother died and she shouldn't have because she had
all this stuff we knew and she wasn't sick, and
da da da, they go the cops go okay, sir,
which is literally what happened. It was, uh, there there
was a guy who went to the cops first that

(41:28):
that that's the reason they started that first inquiry, and
then they were like, yeah, there's nothing we can prove
and we don't and basically we don't believe you. You're
just a working stiff. So our blue collar guy and
this is this is our doctor, and.

Speaker 3 (41:40):
It's going to ruin his reputation if you even look
into it, right, you know what I mean, Like, if
you have to start asking questions aboutter patients, you have
to like, uh, subpoena his records. It's gonna make if
and it's not true, it's gonna make him look really
bad and he could probably super defamation.

Speaker 1 (41:56):
Maybe probably making that up. Well, I read else hard
on our podcast. But also it's that thing and you
know those when you see the doctors who kill their
wives and they keep that mask on after they're convicted
in jail, they keep it on forever because they have
already turned into this person that's convinced they've done all

(42:18):
the work of this is what I'm doing, this is
why it's right, or this is why I get to
do whatever I want. So you would have to You
would then be facing a person who it just made
me think of like a forensic files that I saw
that was in Canada about a doctor who shot this
woman up with like basically this stuff they give you

(42:40):
when you're having a baby, so that you just don't
feel anything and you go paralyzed and you kind of
are numb. Any rapes her and then like and then
thinks that she's gonna forget about. It is basically a
kind of a real hypnol cocktail thing. And then she
accuses him of it. Everyone says, you're a crazy bit,
You're a crazy bitch. They do blood tests, it's the

(43:03):
blood doesn't match, the DNA doesn't match. You're crazy bitch,
You're a crazy bitch. For years, they find out he
had he had injected remember that I do and the
guy with his someone else's blood or what was this, Yes,
one of his patients. So he's setting up another patient
to defend himself against the rape of a first patient,
and he had the blood injected into his arms. So

(43:25):
they keep going, you're the crazy bitch. So basically, you're
taking on when you take on a doctor, there's so
much hot. They truly are the elite. And if you
are just a waitress or you're just a cab driver,
you're automatically wrong.

Speaker 2 (43:40):
Or prostitute or god forbid, a prostitute. You know what
drives me, you know what? A sex worker? Excuse me?

Speaker 3 (43:46):
Yeah, in a perfect world, like when when when you
watch these video, these these forty these twenty eight hour
videos of like you know, the father did this, the
husband did this and they're in court and then the
the jury says guilty or not guilty whatever. When they
say guilty, I feel like I wish that the guy
would have to go damn it, you got me. Like

(44:07):
I wish they would have to admit it if they
did or not that's exactly right?

Speaker 2 (44:10):
Well you got me?

Speaker 3 (44:11):
Yeah, because I just want to know it's like it's
not the wrong. There's always that like what if the
wrong person's in prison? But I just want I want
to know. And you're on fucking asshole. So if you
did it, like just own up to it so everyone
can move the fuck on.

Speaker 1 (44:23):
I know you got me.

Speaker 2 (44:24):
Way would that be.

Speaker 1 (44:27):
Like starts the laughing your country requires okay, right, job,
this is over.

Speaker 2 (44:32):
Shakes the prosecutor's hands.

Speaker 1 (44:33):
You know what. Fair play? Yeah, fair play, you got me.
I totally slowly killed a bunch of undeserving rights, oh
in his numbers, just to get for one second doctor shipman?
Uh where was it? Four hundred and fifty nine people

(44:54):
died while under his care. They just can't prove how
many were victims and how many he was just a
doctor that certified his death and that it didn't have
anything to do with it.

Speaker 3 (45:05):
I wonder how many is like standard? It can't be
more than one hundred.

Speaker 1 (45:11):
It can't be. How many people die in a year
in a small town? I don't know if it's small.

Speaker 2 (45:17):
Is it a year? Don't know how it is a year?

Speaker 1 (45:20):
No? No, no, no, no, that was over. That's like
a almost a thirty year span, seventy one to ninety eight.

Speaker 2 (45:27):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (45:28):
And that they think the probable number of definite victims
between seventy one and ninety eight is two hundred and
fifty but four hundred and fifty nine people died in
that amount of time. They just can't they can't prove.

Speaker 3 (45:42):
I have a question, important question. Where does the number two?
Where does the year two thousand and fift did all this?

Speaker 1 (45:49):
Because guess what? I think he got arrested in two thousands? Okay,
oh yeah, that's right. Because they started the lady from
Frank Massy and Son's funeral home, and her name is
Deborah Massy. So I want to go, are you the
unfortunate daughter that works at Frank Massey and Son's funeral home?
That sucks? Sorry Deborah, and also high five forgetting this

(46:12):
whole thing going. But yeah, I think she went that
she went to them in ninety eight, and so basically
he ended up getting looked into, unarrested into them.

Speaker 2 (46:21):
I'm gonna accept that. I swear to God, Why can
I make you start over?

Speaker 1 (46:24):
Please? Please don't because this was this was borderline home
Mulka level lack of information.

Speaker 2 (46:32):
Yeah. I found a lot of those.

Speaker 3 (46:34):
There was one of a girl who was riding her
bike and just disappeared, and like all these people hopped
to it, but they didn't, and it was like just
fucking sad.

Speaker 1 (46:42):
For a two thousand Yeah. Yeah, And that was like
the only other one that I found that was like
that interesting to me. I feel like people thought that
year was gonna be way, way worse than it actually.

Speaker 2 (46:51):
Turned out to be.

Speaker 3 (46:52):
Well, I mean, you're just under the fucking horizon of
nine to eleven, So that's right.

Speaker 1 (46:57):
You know what was interesting going through And I don't
have the education to even like really theorize, but I
kept seeing all these things where they were like nuclear
secrets leaked, they are all these things in the year
two thousand that I just kept going, I wonder if
this has anything to do with the nine to eleven,
you know what I mean? Here and there there would
just be a thing nuclear secrets. There was something coming somewhere. Yeah,

(47:22):
murder of all these people in this thing. Yeah yeah,
tiede man, what if in this podcast we fucking uncover
some crazy government secrets and then we're on the run.

Speaker 2 (47:33):
Yeah, oh my god, and we only like all.

Speaker 3 (47:35):
The like Facebook group people like were there, like like
hide us out.

Speaker 1 (47:39):
Yeah, They're like create an underground railroad across the country
and throughout the world. Now that we know that there
are people in Wales listening.

Speaker 3 (47:47):
And the only way that the government knows that we
were there is that they have all T shirts wet
giving them all free T shirts for couch surface.

Speaker 1 (47:54):
We have to make new T shirts for when we're
on the run.

Speaker 2 (47:56):
Totally.

Speaker 3 (47:57):
It'll be like the twenty sixteen tour people show, like
what cities we're going to be in, which is like
a bad idea, that's right.

Speaker 1 (48:06):
We have to keep changing the cities on the back
of the show around, keep adding them, and then both canceled,
get arrest, canceled, canceled just no not happening canceled. Oh,
which reminds me, I am going to tell we are
going to do a live show in the next three months.
I just have to confirm it. But everybody in the

(48:28):
Los Angeles area or maybe even northern California if you
want to make a day trip or something. My friend
April and I ap April Richardson, who did the Go
Bay Side podcast, that there are people that listen to
this podcast. We're fans of positive podcasting. We have a

(48:48):
show at the Improv Lab right now. That's great. It's
a great room and it's super fun and so that's where.
Oh yeah, that's right, and we're going to do it
May eleventh, which is my birthday next Wednesday, May eleventh.
That's a great show and a really good lineup. It's
at ten o'clock at the Improv Lab. If you want
to be there, please come. We would love to have you.

(49:09):
It's called Business Class. Okay, and I will tweet on
my Twitter account about it, tweet on ours too. Should
I do that?

Speaker 2 (49:15):
Absolutely?

Speaker 1 (49:16):
Okay, yeah, I'll do ours.

Speaker 3 (49:17):
This is we're not This is a place of shameless
self promotion, right.

Speaker 1 (49:22):
That's what we're all about. Yeah. But anyway, so we're
gonna try it. We're arranging that right now with them.
Oh my god, I'm so excited that I can't wait,
I think it could be super cool. I can't wait
for a live show. Yeah, we'll bring T shirts and
saw them for double the costs. That's so good. We'll
have a fucking merch table. Maybe we'll try to get

(49:42):
Vince and Mam McCarthy from we watch Wrestling podcasts to
come and be our merch guys. And then, because there's
all kinds of crossover listeners.

Speaker 3 (49:51):
Totally, someone said that their boyfriend yelled to them from
the other room. Hey, the girl from your murder podcast
is on my wrestling podcast right now. So like randomly
come home when they're recording and they'll ask me my
favorite wrestler.

Speaker 1 (50:03):
Is yes, just like Vince did that time.

Speaker 3 (50:05):
Yeah, when Vince came home. Yeah, I love it. I
have to go to therapy now. Oh yeah, I schedule
therapy after this podcast because.

Speaker 1 (50:14):
I think that's good timing.

Speaker 2 (50:15):
It probably is.

Speaker 1 (50:16):
All right, Well, then we'll say, you know what we
should do is do a mini with emails, because we've
got a bunch of great emails. Definitely, that's what I
was just checking to see if we have time for it.
But do you want to read one real quick? Should I?

Speaker 2 (50:27):
I did Google?

Speaker 3 (50:28):
Or I searched in our email two thousand just to
be like, does anyone have a good two thousand story?

Speaker 1 (50:34):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (50:34):
Yeah, and they were, but like none of them I could.
Let's see, let's see what people wrote. I said, Uh,
tell us on the podcast on the Facebook group, tell
us your favorite.

Speaker 1 (50:49):
What? No, No, I'm just laughing that of the mistake
we made.

Speaker 3 (50:53):
Victoria Ham said, aren't we only up to episode fifteen? Yes, Victoria,
you are correct.

Speaker 1 (51:00):
Oh Victoria was on it. Thank you Victory for paying attention.

Speaker 3 (51:03):
Someone said you've got a columnbine nine to eleven sandwich
m hard to choose.

Speaker 2 (51:07):
I don't know what that means.

Speaker 1 (51:10):
Oh, because those are that those happened then?

Speaker 2 (51:13):
Yeah, I didn't realize. Scott Peterson was going on.

Speaker 1 (51:16):
Shit, we really missed the boat.

Speaker 2 (51:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (51:21):
You know what we do. We do the underground, we
do the behind the scene. We do we do the
cases no one's.

Speaker 2 (51:25):
Talking about right where everyone's talking about.

Speaker 1 (51:30):
Oh yeah that's right. Yeah, let's do an episode of
emails and and okay stuff. Yeah, that's a good idea. Okay,
do you want me to read this one though? Yep,
this is from Sam and that the title of is it?
The title of it? Is my grandma and Albert Fish?
Hell yeah, right, Hey, ladies, I just finished listening to
the Cannibal episode, which my dad and I listened to

(51:52):
in the car to and from getting some grocer Dadi.
After you started introducing Fish's story, my dad turns to
me and says, you know you're grandma or sister were
babiesat by Albert Fish? Are you kidding me, to which
I responded, shut your mouth. But he was totally serious
and is surprised. I don't remember my grandma talking about
about it when I was much younger. He says, they

(52:14):
lived next door to him in this same apartment building.

Speaker 2 (52:17):
What the shit.

Speaker 1 (52:18):
My grandma Joan was born in nineteen thirty one in Brooklyn,
and the Wikipedia says Fish was apprehended in nineteen thirty four,
so I doubt she would have remembered much. But her sister, Doris,
is a couple of years older, and it's feasible that
she would remember this little old man read super insane, disturbed,
and terrifying creature. Unfortunately, my grandma died a few years ago,
so I've never and I've never actually met Doris, so

(52:40):
I can't back up any of this with face to
face memories. But my dad doesn't wanted to make up
creepy stories and I only have third hand info, but
I had to share it with you on the chance
it might be true. You know what we're all about
that it's true. It is true.

Speaker 2 (52:54):
I'm going to go on record it's true.

Speaker 1 (52:56):
Because the joy of it, Wow, the joy of it.
Can you imagine, sorry, lestand can you imagine finding out
that the neighbor you'd been depending on to watch your
kids while you were at work was American's America's boogeyman?

Speaker 2 (53:09):
Can you?

Speaker 3 (53:11):
I just don't think of a time in my life
when I would leave my baby with an old man,
like no man for any reason. Ay, he'll drop the baby, yeah,
and then like worst case scenario, he'll eat the baby.

Speaker 1 (53:23):
Yeah. Although that I really do think Albert Fish is
that thing. He was unimaginable to people up until that point, unimaginable.
That's true, then an old man would be that awful
in every way.

Speaker 3 (53:39):
People still kind of trust old people a little too much.
I feel like, when I say, oh.

Speaker 2 (53:45):
Look at that, like sweet old man, it's like, well
he pedophiles get old.

Speaker 1 (53:50):
That's exactly, oh man.

Speaker 3 (53:52):
Not sure to Nazis get old, they like really mean
bitches who are like the mean people.

Speaker 1 (53:58):
They get old, they live the longest. It seems like.

Speaker 2 (54:01):
Everyone gets old, including pedophiles and murderers. So don't don't.

Speaker 1 (54:05):
Don't fall for that ship.

Speaker 3 (54:06):
I feel like it's insulting the old people do immediately
assume that they're sweet and fucking well intentioned.

Speaker 1 (54:11):
That's right. You know, by the time you're old, you're
either completely evil or an American hero. And that's pretty
much it. Pick one the week have been weeded out.

Speaker 2 (54:23):
Or they have been killed by doctor Shipman.

Speaker 1 (54:27):
Calm British doctor Shipman. Who can you imagine? He was
just like, yes, put your foot up on my knee
and we'll your cornsa tea or anything. Oh oh, goodbye, goodbye.

Speaker 2 (54:41):
Good good night.

Speaker 3 (54:44):
The thing is to trust no one except the people
who are like clearly displaying their craziness. That's right, right, yeah,
because everyone's crazy. So the people who are hiding it
well the most, the wellest, well, thank you.

Speaker 2 (55:00):
Are the craziest. Look at us.

Speaker 3 (55:02):
We have a fucking podcast talking about our crazy guys.

Speaker 1 (55:07):
It isn't the worst thing in the world. Uh, you
can be crazy, just be a little lighthearted about it. Yeah,
I know that's I think that's the point. Is that
the point as maybe you don't have to take needles
and put them under your skin because you're crazy. The
way Albert Fish did right was filled needles. It's penis

(55:27):
really yes, God, that guy was intense.

Speaker 2 (55:30):
Yeah, they found a bunch of needles up.

Speaker 1 (55:32):
There, dude, take a walk around the block, breathe deeply.

Speaker 2 (55:40):
Helped in meditation.

Speaker 1 (55:41):
Yeah that's right, transcendental meditation.

Speaker 2 (55:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (55:44):
Probably it probably would have cleared your mind of those
needle thoughts, clear your al.

Speaker 2 (55:49):
Your rethreat those needle thoughts, mister Fish.

Speaker 1 (55:53):
Right, should we shut this one down?

Speaker 2 (55:54):
Yeah, definitely, definitely should. Well. Thanks, We're looking forward to
episode sixteen next next.

Speaker 1 (56:02):
Week, where we'll talk about fifteen of the best murders ever.

Speaker 2 (56:08):
I love it. Thanks for listening.

Speaker 3 (56:09):
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Speaker 1 (56:17):
And thanks for listening. We appreciate your support. Yeah, and
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