22 - The Girls with the Episode Twenty Two

This week Karen and Georgia give themselves the impossible task of making murders from the 1500s interesting. The Sawny Bean legend and the Princes in the Tower are the murders of choice, along with a listener hometown murder and a discussion of the new Simpsons documentary. Enjoy, Murderinos!

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:15):
Everybody to My Favorite Murder, the podcast, the highly professional
true crime podcast that asks the question, what if two
women who were slightly interested in true crime and had
a free time on their hands and liked to have
conversations and make up facts and not do a lot

(00:38):
of research.

Speaker 2 (00:39):
How to podcast? We need to start this over.

Speaker 1 (00:41):
No, now you do one?

Speaker 3 (00:45):
Hey, everyone, this is my Favorite murder, a podcast where
we talk about our favorite murders, which is kind of
insulting to people who have been murdered, but we don't
mean it that way. We're trying to be fucking cool
and interested and like we have so much like empathy, right,
that's that whole thing with our tagline, Okay, are you

(01:06):
blowing this?

Speaker 2 (01:07):
Should we do another one?

Speaker 1 (01:09):
We're just gonna keep doing with like welcome to What
the Fuck starring Mark Maren.

Speaker 2 (01:16):
Oh my god, our listenership just went up so high.

Speaker 4 (01:19):
Oh my god. We'll steal listeners from Maren.

Speaker 2 (01:22):
Yep.

Speaker 4 (01:22):
We'll convert them to our way of thinking about murder.

Speaker 3 (01:25):
Yep, which is with very little fact right, which is
just kind of conversational.

Speaker 2 (01:30):
I'm good.

Speaker 4 (01:31):
It's nice to see you.

Speaker 1 (01:32):
I saw you Georgia last night briefly at a comedy
show where there was no air conditioning and we both
looked like we had we were crossing paths in a sauna, essentially,
is what it looked like.

Speaker 3 (01:46):
Well, if the podcast, I'm not sure, I'm not for sure,
but if this is coming out a day late, yes,
because we normally record on Monday. But my apartment was
so fucking disgustingly hot, and I and I don't and
I have TV money, I have Base, I have I
have Cooking Channel money.

Speaker 1 (02:05):
Yeah, you have TV money, which is the which isn't
what TV money used to be.

Speaker 3 (02:09):
It's now radio money, right, So I hid it in
a one bedroom apartent one was no fucking air conditioning.

Speaker 2 (02:14):
That's what I'm trying to like.

Speaker 1 (02:15):
And on Monday and Sunday it was like one hundred
and six. Yeah, it was over one hundred degrees in
Los Angeles. My living room was like like it was
like a chacuzzie. It felt like a chacuzzi. Yeah, so
we're doing it instead on Wednesday, And I'm sorry, but yeah,
it's this. It's a weather delay. It's a legit weather delay.

Speaker 2 (02:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:34):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (02:35):
And a lot of.

Speaker 1 (02:36):
Los Angeles is being affected this way because the stupid
comedy show. Uh, I don't know if they're air conditioning broke,
if they had some kind of blackout or brown out
or something. But they couldn't, so it was like a
full on comedy show with a full audience. They had
to open the side door. When I was on stage
of nothing, cop cars went by and ruined my byork bit.

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It was so good it was people did not laugh
at all, and I wonder for just because it was
like two cop cars or an ambulance whatever was.

Speaker 2 (03:04):
You hear me loudly cackling in the back. Was that you?

Speaker 3 (03:07):
Yeah, I'm supportive with I learned a long time ago
from someone who used to, like, I know in comedy,
should I say it?

Speaker 2 (03:14):
Who it is?

Speaker 3 (03:15):
Sure Ed salas are Oh? It was like a sweet
baby angel when't he. I hated being near him when
he was at a comedy show because he would laugh
super loud and clap when he laughed, which, like laugh
clapping is my least everything in the world. And he
had this like ha ha like loud laugh yep. One
day I was like, what the fuck? And he was like,
I'm being supportive of my friends. I want them to

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know when they're on stage that I am laughing out
loud and making people around me laugh too, and.

Speaker 2 (03:41):
Yes, oh that's why I do it too.

Speaker 1 (03:43):
You like get trained as a stand up that you
have to let your friends you know, the feeling that
they're having on stage, which is usually the world hates
my guts and you're kind of trying to earn back
from that below zero feeling. And so when you're when
you are genuinely make your comedian friends laugh in the audience,
they know they have to let you know, because that's

(04:04):
basically saying, don't stop doing that bit right.

Speaker 3 (04:06):
There's no like, there's no under your breath gafa, It's
like no, no, it's like haha, which I fucking love
and I do now, And I'm like, I'll do it
so loud and I don't care.

Speaker 2 (04:17):
Now.

Speaker 1 (04:18):
I'm thinking there were a couple moments where I was
laughing at a certain laugh and I'm pretty sure it
was you.

Speaker 2 (04:23):
I go, yeah, is that it?

Speaker 1 (04:26):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (04:26):
Because it almost sounded sarcastic.

Speaker 1 (04:28):
But I was like, don't go into how you think
a person is sarcastically laughing.

Speaker 4 (04:32):
At you when that's probably not happening.

Speaker 1 (04:35):
I need to change your a go ha, Well now
that I know that it's going to make me laugh
instead of being defensive because someone didn't make a weird
I did the first joke I did in the as
the laughter was ebbing because the first joke went fine.

Speaker 4 (04:50):
Then someone and it sounded like a drunk dude.

Speaker 1 (04:52):
Went yeah, and it was the kind of thing that
makes me want to jump off the.

Speaker 2 (04:57):
Stage and strangle something. Hold on, though, was that in
the back?

Speaker 3 (05:00):
I don't know, because there was a joke you did
about the Yucca Corridor, Yes, where you used to live
in Hollywood, right, and you won't You went I lived
in the Yucka Corridor and there was a guy in
front of me who like went yea, genuinely was like
used to live there and I'm from La almost And
I didn't know what that was, so I think that
maybe that's who it was.

Speaker 2 (05:19):
No, no, I know what you're talking about.

Speaker 1 (05:21):
And that was like he was trying to support because
but that was the setup of a joke.

Speaker 2 (05:24):
It wasn't the punchline.

Speaker 1 (05:26):
This was after the punchline, and it was basically someone
making a sarcastic comment like I kind of don't agree
with you, is what it sounded like.

Speaker 3 (05:35):
Can I tell you one of my like this moment
I go back to, you know, the shamies, like the
next day after you were drinking, You're like this, I
did this thing and I'm so ashamed of it.

Speaker 2 (05:42):
Yoh yeah.

Speaker 3 (05:43):
I have one from like two thousand and seven oo
that I still like think about about. I was at
a comedy show and I went nope at something and
I want it.

Speaker 2 (05:55):
And it was a friend who was on stage.

Speaker 3 (05:57):
But it was still like and I remember a couple
comedians that I'm friends would turned around to see who
said that, and I still think of it and get
this like coochy twinge of like of shame. You know,
they're like, ooh, I can't believe I did that.

Speaker 1 (06:11):
Oh my god, that sounds that is that in a
nutshell is what I was like when I was drinking.
Although I was drunk, I would never have a twinge
about it. I would be like, and that's the least
I'm gonna say, right, you're.

Speaker 2 (06:23):
Lucky in Yeah.

Speaker 3 (06:24):
That's why I kind of try not to get too
drunk at comedy shows because like I don't want to
like fucking say anything.

Speaker 4 (06:30):
No, I know it's it's it's for me.

Speaker 1 (06:33):
It was a lot of bad behavior would take place
because like at the Old Largo, we would stand in
the back and then the comedian would be on stage.

Speaker 2 (06:41):
There would be these people that paid.

Speaker 1 (06:42):
Money and waited in line dinner, eating dinner to watch
the show, and then the comics would stand in the
back and talk to each other.

Speaker 2 (06:48):
While other people next to each other. But I'm sure
we did right.

Speaker 3 (06:51):
My friend and I were like, we don't have dinner,
We're like the cool ones to go in the back
and stand like.

Speaker 4 (06:55):
You'd stand by the sound booth. Yeah, so here's what I.

Speaker 2 (06:58):
Used to do.

Speaker 1 (06:58):
And maybe you remember this. This was I stopped drinking
right when that show started. Yeah, we would all be
talking and I would of course be laughing at like,
not at the comic, but at things my friends were saying.

Speaker 2 (07:11):
And if anybody would turn around, who is.

Speaker 1 (07:13):
Standing yeah in the audience area, I'd literally turn around,
uh huh, like a high school bully. It was one
of my favorite things to do. Imagine how broken I
am and so I would have hated me.

Speaker 2 (07:25):
You would have been so mean to me if we
had met back then.

Speaker 1 (07:28):
Are you the kind of person that would turn around
and try to give me a dirty look? No?

Speaker 3 (07:32):
I think if one of my friends are on stage
and someone's talking a lot, I'll do it and be
you know, shut the fuck up.

Speaker 1 (07:38):
I probably would have enjoyed that. Yeah, I think it's
the passive aggression.

Speaker 2 (07:42):
It was just obnosed.

Speaker 3 (07:43):
I don't think you would have liked me because I
was like a hipster, like an anorexic hipster.

Speaker 2 (07:48):
I like rode my Bespa. I'm not kidding.

Speaker 3 (07:50):
I rode my Vespa to Largo to watch like alternative comedians.

Speaker 2 (07:58):
Yeah, I probably wouldn't have let I was like, I'm
twenty one.

Speaker 4 (08:00):
Well I wouldn't have liked you on the surface.

Speaker 3 (08:02):
Right, But also I wasn't confident enough to like be
cool around you the way I was. We met when
I was in not anorexic anymore, and in my thirties.

Speaker 1 (08:12):
Well you had your you had your own you know,
identity going Yeah, but I have, in my opinion, anorexia
and uh my eating disorder are very similar where it's
just it's the equal opposite where it's just it's a
weird body like binging.

Speaker 2 (08:30):
Is that young you have?

Speaker 1 (08:32):
Is that what you have so many that what you
think we have so much in common? Is that what
you're claiming, Oh my god, it's a total cat party.

Speaker 3 (08:43):
It's god, this is a mess right now. I got
a kitten. I'm fostering a kitten, and my cats are
fucking rebelling and I'm sorry, and.

Speaker 4 (08:51):
No, it's fine, all right, so we have some housekeeping.

Speaker 2 (08:55):
Oh yeah, you want to go first on me?

Speaker 1 (08:58):
Uh oh well, I just mean to say that in
my classic style when I did the story about the
evil nurse from the eighteen hundreds that like to kill
people last week. Correction, Yeah, okay, because she used to
do a combo of morphine and atropine.

Speaker 2 (09:18):
Did you see this?

Speaker 1 (09:18):
No? I always forget a that I'm talking to other
people besides you, and b that a lot of those
people are medical from the medical profession.

Speaker 4 (09:30):
They have studied and gone to schools.

Speaker 2 (09:32):
So problem.

Speaker 1 (09:33):
I'm just as I was reading my very light research,
I just assumed that atropine would be the opposite of morphine.
But actually, because of all the genius people that we
have on our Facebook page, I.

Speaker 2 (09:47):
Learned from a person who I believe is either an.

Speaker 1 (09:50):
RN or a a medical registered person I can't remember.
They had It was like three people who were like
a doctor and nurse, and someone else. Yeah, I'll correct
my correction, but they basically said atropine is the.

Speaker 2 (10:05):
Drug that stopped the.

Speaker 1 (10:09):
What's it called, uh, the death rattle, which is this
the final sounds that you make that go on and on,
that terrible breathing at the end of life. I assumed
atropine was some kind of an upper I thought she
was giving them uppers and downers, yeah, like killing them
and bringing them back.

Speaker 4 (10:27):
But that was just me assuming they're also downers.

Speaker 1 (10:33):
It's it's just different ways of shutting people's systems down.

Speaker 3 (10:36):
I literally wouldn't care if you ever corrected that, and.

Speaker 2 (10:41):
I know, but I have.

Speaker 1 (10:43):
I'm correcting it because I have a bad habit of
making assumptions that are like I make assumptions about medical
knowledge and stuff like that.

Speaker 2 (10:51):
So so you think if you had said, I don't
know what they are, you wouldn't have careen?

Speaker 1 (10:56):
Or is it because it's because I'm saying it as
if I know for a fact, And it's because my
mom was a nurse, so I'd hear her use terminology,
So I was like, I know it atropenis.

Speaker 4 (11:06):
Well, of course I fucking don't know what rains.

Speaker 2 (11:08):
That's fair man.

Speaker 3 (11:09):
I say Yiddish words that don't mean the right thing
all the time because I heard my grandma say it.

Speaker 1 (11:14):
Well, you can apologize for that on your Yiddish podcast,
but I have.

Speaker 2 (11:17):
Nothing to do it. It's actually Yiddish true crime podcast.
It was that.

Speaker 1 (11:21):
And the only the other house team I have is
just somebody made a really good point. They were offended
when we were talking about Matt Dwyer's hometown murder and
the kid not making eye contact.

Speaker 2 (11:32):
There was somebody that was really.

Speaker 1 (11:34):
Hurt by the fact that it was like only psychoes
don't make eye contact.

Speaker 2 (11:37):
Yes, and.

Speaker 4 (11:39):
We of course don't want to hurt anybody's feelings.

Speaker 1 (11:42):
They there's a big long thread with a ton of
people saying I also have this problem. It makes me
feel bad. I didn't like that part, And of course
we apologize for that.

Speaker 2 (11:52):
Oh yeah, that's not I'm so sorry.

Speaker 1 (11:53):
What a fucking But we we do that because we're
just talking to each other, and this is a this
is a casual conversation that we often forget that we're
making these mistakes.

Speaker 3 (12:04):
So you and I are both people that like like exaggerate,
not exaggerating that it's not correct, just like go like
go to the end of every single thing we.

Speaker 1 (12:12):
Get into it of like we're Matt Dwyer and now
we're walking next to the guy that won't make eye
contact with us, and yes.

Speaker 2 (12:18):
So so we bo geminis is what we're saying. I'm
a Taurus.

Speaker 3 (12:22):
Fuck never mind, I'm gonna go ahead and make a
correction from un actually, but it's a subset correction.

Speaker 1 (12:31):
But this is the point that I really liked in
this thread. There's a bunch of people making each other
feel better, which I really love, and that seems to
be what happens on our Facebook page. But also there
was a guy who made this great point which I
really liked, which is that more commonly a sociopath or
a psychopath makes too much eye contact because they are

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trying to read your face so they can manipulate you.
So they often will stare at you for way longer
than is natural and and something that I know from reading,
they don't blink a lot.

Speaker 3 (13:03):
Wait, it's not because I'm so beautiful that they can't
take their eyes off of me.

Speaker 2 (13:06):
It's that too, Georgia.

Speaker 1 (13:08):
But also they're trying to figure out they're trying to
as this guy was talking about reading micro expressions, figuring
out like what's triggering you or scaring you or whatever,
so they can manipulate you more.

Speaker 3 (13:18):
But also the thing of like people who are like that,
who know they should be making eye contact, they just
do it and don't understand how natural it should be,
and so they do it.

Speaker 2 (13:29):
Overdo it, right, Yes, you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (13:31):
Yes, you're talking about sociobas, right, yeah, yes, exactly right,
and that obviously there's a range and so. But but
the I just thought it was an interesting point of
being like, actually, the create the people who you really
should look out for, the people that make too much
eye contact.

Speaker 3 (13:48):
Which I'm sorry to those people that we offended about
the eye contact thing.

Speaker 2 (13:52):
We overdid it and we yeah, and it's going to happen. Yeah,
it's gonna it happens a lot. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (13:58):
Here in this for the long haul, which ends, which
you certainly don't have to be it is a podcast.

Speaker 2 (14:04):
By the way. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (14:07):
Oh, and I want to do a housekeeping of Okay,
you guys the T shirts that you ordered and thank you,
and that was I'm so excited to see all your
photos of you and your T shirts. So this was
our first T shirt that we've done and it's taking
a little longer. And it was a pre order. I'm
getting a lot of emails of people saying, I ordered
my shirt at this time?

Speaker 2 (14:24):
Where is it.

Speaker 3 (14:25):
So it is a pre order, which means once the
orders closed, I think it was on like June sixth,
I sent them to the company VG Kids that are
doing the screen printing for them, which.

Speaker 2 (14:34):
Is happening right now.

Speaker 3 (14:35):
Then they're going to get sent to there's another company
called Whiplash that does all the order for filling. So
I'm hoping by the end of June everyone will have
their orders.

Speaker 2 (14:44):
And I started taking so long. It's a learning curve.

Speaker 3 (14:47):
Next time we do T shirts, which I think we're
going to do a stay Sexy, Don't Get Murdered shirt
next by again by Michael Ramstead, who's such a fucking
talented artist. He's the one who's doing the shirts that
we have coming out right now. I'm going to make
it a sh order window of buying time.

Speaker 1 (15:02):
Well, and also we can just remind people more. A
pre order is basically like your this is eight weeks
wait time.

Speaker 2 (15:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (15:08):
And then the reason we do that is because some
companies won't print shirts one at a time, and also
want to make sure you have a big enough order. Yeah,
that they're making money off of it, which is totally understandable.

Speaker 1 (15:18):
And it was our first time out ever, so we
didn't know if we were going to sell twenty shirts
for one hundred shirts totally totally.

Speaker 2 (15:24):
So those are coming out and there you go.

Speaker 3 (15:27):
You're gonna get them and everyone's gonna get them at
the same time, which is kind of fun.

Speaker 2 (15:31):
Along with us. Yeah. Yeah, is it? Can we wear
our own pod Is it like your own band shirt?
Can we wear our podcasts?

Speaker 1 (15:39):
I think I'll wear mine around the house. Yeah, I
mean it would be weird for us. It's gonna be
weird to me for me to wear a shirt with
a cartoon of me on it.

Speaker 4 (15:47):
I don't That's not my style.

Speaker 1 (15:48):
Okay you can, Oh thanks, I mean I won't judge you.

Speaker 2 (15:52):
I'm saying. I didn't mean that to sound so bitchy.

Speaker 4 (15:55):
We're not fighting. We just simply aren't.

Speaker 2 (16:00):
We just both have sarcastic voices. It's our tone. Should
we get into it?

Speaker 1 (16:07):
Yes, there was one more piece of housekeeping, and I
really want to remember and now I can't.

Speaker 2 (16:11):
Is it about me? Asking? The Facebook page for help
with this, and I heared you of.

Speaker 4 (16:17):
Cheating, and then someone valiantly came to your defense.

Speaker 2 (16:21):
Thanks Vince, my husband.

Speaker 1 (16:23):
He's on there as a disguised as a woman.

Speaker 2 (16:27):
Yeah. No, I could think of it later if you
think of it. Okay, doesn't have to be up top. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (16:40):
So last week we had a challenge. We're going to
have a topic and it's fifteen hundreds. Fifteen hundreds.

Speaker 1 (16:49):
Well, the reason I called you a teator is because
when you asked that, one of the first things that
people posted.

Speaker 3 (16:56):
Was the one I wanted to do, right, I went on, Okay,
here's my problem.

Speaker 2 (16:59):
I think hundred.

Speaker 3 (17:00):
I think anything pre eighteen hundred is boring as fuck.
I just I really don't care.

Speaker 2 (17:08):
Well, well, now we know that. Now I know that.

Speaker 3 (17:10):
Before I didn't even know that, or I was like,
I don't fucking who cares you fucking like you and
your corsets and your God.

Speaker 4 (17:18):
There was so much Latin. There's a lot of Latin,
and there was a lot of.

Speaker 1 (17:25):
Calling people a witch and then just slowly murdering them
like if they owed you money or you wanted their seat.

Speaker 2 (17:31):
Totally, so much like so much that is lore.

Speaker 3 (17:37):
At that point, yes, that isn't interest Like to me,
it's like this thing happened in the nineteen twenties, like
that was so recent, Yeah, and so interesting and also
like he's gonna step all over your computer and ruin
your files.

Speaker 2 (17:50):
It's cats kisses hot cat action. This is what it's like.
I'm used to it.

Speaker 3 (17:55):
I'm just I really like that I'd be able to
put myself in someone's shoes, and if the shoes are
are like made of fucking fox skin and they're like
and they haven't invented laces yet and they like, you know,
I just don't care.

Speaker 2 (18:07):
What about old clogs?

Speaker 1 (18:09):
Absolutely truly woulden't, No, legitimately would That sounds so uncomfortable.

Speaker 4 (18:14):
Yeah, what if they had nice high arches like arch support.

Speaker 2 (18:18):
They don't.

Speaker 3 (18:19):
They do a peasant I'm saying dream clogs. Okay, No,
I would never wear clogs.

Speaker 2 (18:24):
I love clogs. I think it's interesting.

Speaker 1 (18:29):
But when I went to read about it, there was
just a lot of like extra ease uh at the
on the end of words and stuff where I was like,
there's no way I'm reading that because it looks like
something like an old monk wrote in calligraphy.

Speaker 2 (18:46):
Yeah. Thanks, exactly.

Speaker 3 (18:47):
And I love a murder where I can be like,
oh that, like someone will write in that was my
grandfather and my or my grandfather's from the town that
that happened, and I think it's and he always said this,
and I mean, that can't happen. And so I wrote
on the Facebook page, can someone fucking tell me a
favorite fifte hundred murder because I really don't know what
mine it like, I just don't have one. And then
there was great one yeah, yeah, and I ended up

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using the one I kind of originally had thought of
this chick that everyone wanted to do, but like has
been overdone.

Speaker 2 (19:15):
But the chick who.

Speaker 3 (19:15):
Bathed in blood yet bathory, Yes, what a fucking cut
I mean, but or.

Speaker 1 (19:21):
Or was she being persecuted by rights? So whatever church cat.

Speaker 3 (19:26):
Is probably yeah, we just read these rumors about her
to like get her under there.

Speaker 4 (19:32):
Except for there were witnesses.

Speaker 1 (19:33):
But see that's the thing is like I was reading
that and I'm like, oh, no, it is real, there
are witnesses. But this was back in the in those times,
it was like those the witch hunt shit went from
like the fourteen hundreds to the seventeen hundreds or something just.

Speaker 3 (19:45):
At that time, the people who wrote the history, who
wrote the books of what happened, could be shady as
fuck too. Yeah, it's not like it's journalism the way
it is today, which is pretty fucking shrainy.

Speaker 2 (19:57):
It's like, you know, so, did you do her? No?
Because I think who just did? Was it? Someone just
did a whole whole episode on her? Okay?

Speaker 3 (20:10):
So I wasn't interested, Okay, so fuck them.

Speaker 1 (20:14):
That we've been Uh, the week that I did the Nurse,
some other crime podcast did the nurse too.

Speaker 2 (20:23):
I was really sad. Sorry I did not know. I'm
fucking sorry. I'm sorry.

Speaker 3 (20:28):
Yeah someone did mind. Yeah, I mean they're just gonna overlap.

Speaker 2 (20:33):
So I think it's me or you. It's either me
or you or Elvis.

Speaker 4 (20:40):
I think it might be me. Okay, pretty sure.

Speaker 2 (20:43):
I don't care.

Speaker 4 (20:44):
I mean who cares, right, I mean.

Speaker 2 (20:46):
Who gives up the fuck I did the.

Speaker 4 (20:51):
Sawny Bean Clan. Do you know those people?

Speaker 2 (20:54):
Which one were they?

Speaker 1 (20:55):
No?

Speaker 2 (20:55):
I mean which one were they? Tell me in a story?
Why don't I tell you story style? Do it? Okay?

Speaker 1 (21:01):
Lay your head back, okay on a cat, Close your
eyes on a cat. The sauny Bean Clan is an
infamous uh, Scottish family from either the fourteen hundreds or
the seventeen hundreds.

Speaker 2 (21:18):
Let's say the fourteen They why don't we know?

Speaker 1 (21:21):
Because it's this kind of it's almost like a Scottish
urban legend that they have attributed to several different eras,
and it's because they think this one is definitely a
propaganda that the English government used to make Scottish people
look like barbarian Yes and deviance. But let's talk about

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it as if it's real first, and then we'll talk
about that part later.

Speaker 2 (21:48):
I love it.

Speaker 1 (21:50):
So if it was real, this story and the details
from it UH are the source of horror films like
Texas Chainsaw Massacre, Ravenous, the Hills have Eyes.

Speaker 2 (22:06):
So it's yeah, because it's.

Speaker 1 (22:07):
A family of cannibals, and it's a family of cannibals
who live in a hidden cave who were a huge incestuous,
incestuous clan that only came out at night, and they
were highway robbers. So people would travel along these roads
along the Scottish countryside that was kind of like along

(22:31):
the coast, and they would be trying to go between
one city and the other and the Sawny Bean clan
would come out from their cave that was hidden at
high tide so no one knew where they were, and
they would go out in the night hide.

Speaker 4 (22:47):
A highway traveler would.

Speaker 1 (22:49):
Go by on their horse and this clan of inbred
cannibals would jump out, pull them off their horse, murder them,
deal their shit, kill their horse, drag it all back
to the cave, which apparently.

Speaker 2 (23:06):
Went a mile underground. Sounds like pretty sweet diggs, yes, And.

Speaker 1 (23:11):
They would eat the meat of the people and then
they had big piles of possessions, so it was almost
like a treasure cave, but also filled with horrors and
blood and whatnot.

Speaker 2 (23:23):
So the head.

Speaker 1 (23:26):
Of it was Alexander Bean, who was born in the
fifteen hundreds in East Lothian, Scotland, which is a few
miles out outside of Edinburgh on the east.

Speaker 2 (23:35):
Coast of Scotland.

Speaker 1 (23:37):
And they don't know that much about the details of
his life. They do know they kept saying that he
was like he was the son of like a ditch
digger and a hedge trimmer or something like that, so
basically like his father was a hard working, you know,
working class man, and they kept saying that he was lazy.

Speaker 4 (23:56):
Alexander Bean was lazy.

Speaker 1 (23:58):
He didn't want to do hard work and so he
basically left his family where his only option was to
do what his father did. He met up with a
woman who also didn't want to do hard work, and
her name was Black Agnes Douglas, which is probably my
favorite name uh to date in the research of this podcast.

(24:19):
So Black Agnes Douglas and Alexander Bean Sanny Bean settled
into Balance Tree together, which is a city somewhere in Scotland,
and then Black Agnes they were both run out of
town because they suspected Black Agnes was a witch.

Speaker 4 (24:38):
Of course, such.

Speaker 2 (24:40):
A fucking thing just too uh well there.

Speaker 1 (24:44):
But there are such things as women who are smarter
than other people in their village and so they have
to live outside of society, even.

Speaker 3 (24:51):
A different religion than the majority of people who yeah, yeah,
like a Jew, Yeah, a.

Speaker 1 (24:58):
Smart Jewish lady that wants to live on the edge
of town, because bullshit.

Speaker 2 (25:02):
Here I am in fucking Little Armenia.

Speaker 1 (25:04):
Hi, I'm gonna drive you out of Little Armenia, would
she please?

Speaker 2 (25:08):
Because I need to get out of this fucking apartment anyways.

Speaker 4 (25:10):
Black Georgia get out of here.

Speaker 1 (25:12):
So they end up in this cave in Benay Head,
which is between Gervon and Balanree on the west coast
of Scotland.

Speaker 4 (25:23):
Okay, so Balan Tree is on the west coast.

Speaker 1 (25:26):
So so basically you can't see the cave at high tide.
The tide goes out and suddenly there's a cave opening.
You walk in two hundred yards deep and then apparently
it goes down, so it's a mile underground.

Speaker 2 (25:43):
That's so cool.

Speaker 1 (25:44):
And so they Black Agnes sonny Bean move into this cave.
They have fourteen kids, then they end up having nearly
fifty grandchildren. Insestuous, you know, huh. So they're this big,
crazy climb and I already told you that they'd come
out at night so they were hidden. They would attack people,

(26:08):
rob them, murder them, take all their ship back to
the caves. So they never left a trace, They never
left a survivor and they ate them. So there was
it was as if these people were just disappearing.

Speaker 2 (26:19):
I mean, that's fucking off the crew, right.

Speaker 1 (26:22):
So some say that there a thousand deaths were attributed
to the sauny Bean clan and because their reign of
terror lasted for twenty five years.

Speaker 2 (26:33):
Shit.

Speaker 1 (26:34):
So it all ended one fateful night when the beans ambushed.
The beans ambushed married couple who were coming back from
a fair. They were riding on a horse together, and
the Bean clan attacked them and pulled the woman down
off the horse, immediately murdered her, ripped open her stomach,

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pulled out her entrails, began eating her on the spot,
blood everywhere, husband, who was a great fighter, according to
these reports, had had a sword and a pistol and
he was fighting off the rest of the clan.

Speaker 4 (27:11):
When a big group of fair goers.

Speaker 1 (27:14):
Kind of come around the corner on the road, and
so the Sauny being clan runs away. So they take
the dead wife's body. This husband takes her body to
the king and says, this crazy clan of lunatics attacked
me and my wife murdered my wife.

Speaker 4 (27:29):
Here's our body. You gotta help me. So the king
and his sorry hold on.

Speaker 2 (27:40):
Can I say, Sonny Beans sounds like in one of
those like all you can eat soup and salad restaurants.
You're exactly right.

Speaker 1 (27:51):
Saunny, interestingly enough, was a derogatory nickname for a Scottish
person in England, so it'd be like how they called
Irish people patty.

Speaker 2 (28:03):
It was the same thing.

Speaker 1 (28:04):
So that's another reason what like all the historians and
scholars say this is an urban legend because everything about
this is, oh the disgusting old sonny bean Scotsman, you
know how they are, how they live in caves, eat
human flesh, and fuck their own children. It's that it
has that tone to it. But we're still pretending that
it's real. So they go to King James the sixth

(28:32):
of Scotland and tell him all about what happened. So
he gets a man hunt going with four hundred men
and bloodhounds and they look all around the countryside and
they can't find anything until the tide goes back out
and the bloodhounds go crazy and find.

Speaker 2 (28:52):
The opening of the cave.

Speaker 4 (28:54):
Yes, so cool, And then they go into it.

Speaker 1 (28:56):
And this was the Captain Charles Johnson, writing Is seventeen
forty two, describes what they found in the cave. Legs, arms, thighs,
hands and feet of men, women and children were hung
up in rows like dried beef, and a great many
limbs lay in pickle, and a great mass of money,

(29:17):
both gold and silver, with watches, rings and swords, pistols,
and a large quantity of clothes, both linen and woolen,
and an infinite number of other infinite number of other
things which they had taken from those they had murdered.
Its murder with an apostrophe d old fashioned. Murdered were
thrown together in heaps or hung up against the sides

(29:38):
of the den. And I've seen like illustrations, so it's
basically like candle light and then just body parts hanging
from this from a cave. So they were said to
have been all captured alive and taken in chains to
the toll Booth Jail in Edinburgh, then either transferred to

(30:00):
Leath or Glasgow, where they were promptly executed without a trial.
The men had their genitalia, hands and feet cut off,
and then they let them.

Speaker 2 (30:10):
Bleed to death.

Speaker 4 (30:11):
Oh god, the women were all burned and children.

Speaker 2 (30:14):
Don't what would you rather have uh burned? I think
it'd be relatively faster. Oh yeah, okay, I mean it would.

Speaker 4 (30:23):
Be horrible for like five minutes.

Speaker 2 (30:26):
That's a long time.

Speaker 1 (30:27):
It is a long time, but bleeding out with no uh.

Speaker 4 (30:35):
Extremities is rough.

Speaker 3 (30:36):
I think that would be quick and I think you'd
be almost like numbed in your brain. Getting burned alive
seems like a fucking nightmare to me.

Speaker 1 (30:46):
Oh wait, we had Did you see the message from
the woman on Facebook who is a There was someone
on there that is a registered mortician who said she
would answer any questions for us.

Speaker 2 (30:56):
I wonder if she would know something like that.

Speaker 1 (30:58):
Yeah, I guess that's not really her department of that
the actual dying.

Speaker 2 (31:02):
Right, but she can. I mean, like, what's the paint.

Speaker 1 (31:06):
That'd be an interesting thing to know, the pain factor
and the window, like how quickly do you go into
shock if you are on fire?

Speaker 2 (31:12):
Like immediately? I want to know that.

Speaker 3 (31:15):
Let's let's let's see if she'll do a private aime
with us and maybe we can like read them on
in a mini episode.

Speaker 2 (31:23):
That's a good idea.

Speaker 1 (31:24):
So if you have questions for the licensed mortician and
perhaps coroner, I don't. I can't remember that. I'm definitely
making up the corner part right.

Speaker 2 (31:33):
Now, just for fun.

Speaker 3 (31:34):
Do you know I have an ex boyfriend who's a
what is it called pathological liar?

Speaker 2 (31:39):
Like me a lot of those No, he's a he's
a he picks up dead bodies and brings them to
the martuary. Wow.

Speaker 3 (31:47):
Yeah, and he was like my shitty like my broken
heart ex boyfriend.

Speaker 2 (31:51):
And I found that out that he did that.

Speaker 1 (31:52):
I was like, you fucking dick trusted me, like the
one that got away.

Speaker 3 (31:57):
Uh No, I'm like glad he got away, but he
like fucked me up? Why I did it? And then
held have like the best He also like had then
living his best like my best life, like you deck,
I want to do that.

Speaker 2 (32:11):
Whatever. He's the mortician.

Speaker 1 (32:14):
Yeah, anyways, yeah, I'm jealous of him too.

Speaker 2 (32:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (32:18):
Well, it's also just interesting because I think there's some
people would be who'd never be able to do a.

Speaker 2 (32:22):
Job like that, like us. Probably I No, in.

Speaker 1 (32:25):
Reality, yeah, I think it would be a very very
difficult thing to do, but so interesting, like I would
want to know all about it.

Speaker 2 (32:32):
I wonder I didn't want to speak to him anymore.

Speaker 1 (32:35):
I'd be like, no, yeah, not that guy specifically, But
that's like that's like there was a there was a
homicide detective that was at the same thing I was out.
I think I told you about that, and I wanted
to talk to him so bad, but I couldn't bring
myself to do it because I don't have any guts
in that way of like I can't do a cold

(32:56):
call of like, oh, I'm Karen, tell me, I just
wanted to ask you a couple questions about But I mean,
like how hot would that be if you were like
going out with a homicide detective?

Speaker 2 (33:05):
It would be like hot.

Speaker 1 (33:05):
Let me make you a cast role mm hmm and
get your goddamn slippers, just.

Speaker 2 (33:09):
Saying like how is your day? Yeah, and how was
your day? I really want you to tell me.

Speaker 3 (33:15):
You're not just asking that because you're being a good
wife and like how is your day? Tell me about
like margin accounting. It's like what a bit she is? Like, No,
how is your fucking day?

Speaker 4 (33:24):
How is your day?

Speaker 2 (33:25):
When you came up on the perp and shit like everything? Okay,
let me wrap this down.

Speaker 4 (33:31):
I'm almost fassed.

Speaker 2 (33:32):
Uh okay, so.

Speaker 1 (33:37):
Do do do the most suspicious part of the sauny
Bean story is that no actual proof of him or
his numerous victims actually exist. So they were saying, if
this many people that what they say is like thousands
over twenty year period, were truly disappearing from the Scottish coastline, yeah,
there would be. It would be written in the news

(34:00):
paper or the whatever, you know, the periodicals of the time.

Speaker 2 (34:03):
There would be.

Speaker 1 (34:04):
Reports of it, and they don't have not they don't
have any proof of like him being born or existing,
and they don't have proof of people disappearing.

Speaker 4 (34:14):
It's all just hearsaid.

Speaker 2 (34:15):
Would that not be his real name? Then they have
his real name.

Speaker 1 (34:17):
Alexander Bean, I mean nobody named Alexander Bian Yeah, was born.

Speaker 2 (34:23):
So they say.

Speaker 1 (34:26):
The legend of Sonny Bean first appeared in what they
call British chap books, which were rumor magazines of the
day on the Internet, yes, exactly, the old Internet, the
old Internet, which today leads many to argue that the
story was a political propaganda tool to denigrate Scott's after

(34:47):
the Jacobite rebellions which had happened from sixteen forty eight
to seventeen forty six, Which would make sense, let's see.
Scottish historian doctor Louise Yeoman said that the later King James,
who was the guy that in the story they say

(35:08):
they brought that body to and who got the four
hundred people up at the search party, said he was
a keen hunter, but unlikely to have put himself in
danger by leading a perilous truk like this. And she
also said if James had successfully led an expedition to
face down a well armed group of bloodthirsty cannibals, he

(35:29):
would have never we would have never heard the end
of it. So he was the kind of king that
like definitely bragged about any slight adventure that he ever
went on, and yet not a word was written anywhere
about him doing this.

Speaker 3 (35:41):
To me, that's the biggot Like that to me is
the most like you can be, Like, well, maybe it
was less victims, and maybe his name was something different
or spelled differently, but that is if it's all written
record what he said.

Speaker 1 (35:52):
Yeah, and he was the kind of king that was like,
let me let you, let me tell you a little
story about how I found the sauny Bean cry So,
but maybe that part could have been like instead of
getting four hundred people, they got thirty people, and they
were townsfolk.

Speaker 4 (36:08):
It didn't go all the way to the king, Like
who knows that part?

Speaker 1 (36:11):
I really don't want to let it go because I
honestly think, well, and this is the other thing too.
Author Sean Thomas disagrees with the fact that it is
an urban legend, because he says, if the sawny Bean
story is to be read as deliberately anti Scottish, how

(36:33):
do we explain the equal emphasis on English criminals in
those same publications the British chap books wouldn't such an
approach rather blunt the point. So he was saying, like,
it wasn't just that one story. There was all these stories.
But other people say, yeah, except for the sawny Bean
story is so bad and extreme that people have been

(36:54):
talking about it for hundreds of years.

Speaker 3 (36:55):
I think that's the problem, is that people have been
talking about it, so it constantly becomes more and more gruesome,
and suddenly the king is involved, when really it was
just like the fucking low head of the local township.

Speaker 2 (37:08):
Right. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (37:10):
They also said that a lot of the local innkeepers
were hanged even though they were innocent, because they were
always the last people to see those highway travelers alive.
But then that's another thing, where like, well then they
would there would be record of their death, and they
can't find any of those. So author Fiona Black writes

(37:33):
in her book The Polar Twins, the monstrous figure of
Sanny being has written history was probably an English invention.
Cannibalism has a long history as a means of political
propaganda used by the dominant culture against those they want
to colonize. As an English invention, Sni may be considered
a colonial fiction written to demonstrate the savagery and uncivilized

(37:56):
nature of the Scots in contrast to the superior qualities of.

Speaker 2 (38:01):
The English nation.

Speaker 1 (38:02):
Yeah, and also so whether it's true or not, the
one thing as an urban legend, the story of sanny
Bean represents the extremes humans are forced to go to
when famine and poverty drive them to commit terrible deeds
to survive, which is something that we all know the
British really did do when they were colonizing Scotland and Ireland.

(38:25):
You know, the Irish potato famine was not a famine
because the crops failed.

Speaker 2 (38:31):
The English went in and.

Speaker 1 (38:32):
Took all of the crops out of Ireland, so people
were starving while boats filled with food were being shipped
over to England. They took all the food and intentionally
starved Ireland so that they could take over the land.

Speaker 4 (38:45):
So this is something England did as a practice, So it.

Speaker 1 (38:49):
Also could be the story of like these were people
who were forced in these extreme measures, they didn't have
anything else to eat, and then the story kind of
came out.

Speaker 3 (38:58):
From there lonialism. Man, it's not cool, it's super not cool.
It's kind of not kind of ruined. You've just like
gone and pissed on a bunch of fucking continents and yeah,
marked your shitty.

Speaker 2 (39:14):
So that's that's a Sonny Bean story.

Speaker 1 (39:16):
I was kind of bummed when I first heard that
it was an urban legend because it's such a good like,
you know, it's like Texas Changsaw massacre. What better scary
thing than the long, slow, like people just disappearing off
a road.

Speaker 2 (39:30):
And then the.

Speaker 1 (39:30):
Idea that it's in the middle of the night, a
family of inbred lunatics are coming to just pull you
off your horse.

Speaker 3 (39:37):
And it's not You're just like one crazy guy, right,
one wild and crazy guy.

Speaker 1 (39:42):
It's like it's fifty it's like fifty nutters scary.

Speaker 2 (39:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (39:48):
Yeah, well, well I hope it's not true. I don't
know what to hope anymore. What's your favorite murder? My
favorite fifteen hundred murder.

Speaker 2 (40:03):
That you hate in general? I hate it?

Speaker 1 (40:05):
No.

Speaker 2 (40:05):
Actually, I had been reading about this.

Speaker 3 (40:09):
Like a couple of months ago because I had I
had never really I heard the term, but I had
never understood.

Speaker 2 (40:14):
The story because fuck Shakespeare. The Princes in the Tower.

Speaker 4 (40:20):
Oh, I saw that on the list, but I didn't
read that one.

Speaker 3 (40:23):
Yeah, so this was this reminded me of that, and
it's a really interesting story. It takes place in fourteen
around starts in fourteen eighty three.

Speaker 2 (40:33):
It starts in fourteen.

Speaker 3 (40:34):
Eighty three with the Oh my god, I have to
do this again and I meant to look this up.

Speaker 1 (40:39):
Oh, you're gonna get in big trouble pronouncing it wrong.

Speaker 2 (40:43):
No, this is embarrassing. So one with a V is five? Right, No,
that's four, God damn it.

Speaker 1 (40:51):
When the one is before the V, it's four, And
if it's after, it's listen six.

Speaker 2 (40:55):
Fourth grade was a really heartier for me.

Speaker 4 (40:57):
Dude, who gives a fuck about Roman numeral seriously?

Speaker 2 (41:00):
Before? Okay?

Speaker 4 (41:03):
Wait, yeah, because ex is ten?

Speaker 2 (41:05):
Ok So. Edward the fourth of England.

Speaker 3 (41:10):
He died unexpectedly on April ninth, fourteen eighty three. He
had two sons, Edward the fifth. I guess Edward the
fifth of England just killed him. Edward V, Edward V.
Edward the last name is V. Edward v And who
was twelve, and Richard of Shrewsbury, Duke of York, who

(41:32):
was nine.

Speaker 2 (41:34):
That doesn't sound like a nine year old's name.

Speaker 3 (41:36):
No, and it's almost like, you can't be you can't
be the maybe prince one, you can't be the prince.

Speaker 2 (41:40):
But here you go, you're the Duke of York. Yeah,
she's like cool, Ricky Shrewsbury.

Speaker 3 (41:44):
Ricky Shrewsbury, Ricky Yeah.

Speaker 2 (41:48):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (41:49):
So Edward dies unexpectedly, but right before his death he
designates his brother Richard as Lord Protector Richard the Third.

Speaker 4 (42:01):
No, I don't know, okay, Richard, I I.

Speaker 3 (42:04):
Don't see I I know Richard as Lord Protector. Yes, no,
we'll see. Yes, let's read.

Speaker 2 (42:11):
Sorry sorry, why would I even ask about No?

Speaker 3 (42:13):
I just feel stupid, so I wrote down. It turns
out he was a dick. I wrote that out of
my notes. So Richard was a fucking dick. It's Richard,
Duke of Gloucester. He sets out for London.

Speaker 2 (42:29):
I think it's Gloucester. Sorry.

Speaker 4 (42:31):
Sorry, I could definitely be right.

Speaker 2 (42:33):
I could be wrong. Right.

Speaker 1 (42:35):
This is the kind of thing like Edinburgh. It looks
like it's Edinburgh, but it's Edinburgh. Yeah, and you're supposed
to know that even though you're from fucking northern California
or southern we're Americans.

Speaker 4 (42:46):
We couldn't be more California Americans.

Speaker 2 (42:49):
And we're like, we.

Speaker 1 (42:50):
Don't even know what's going on. So Gloucester, Gloucester, Louchester,
I don't know. Anyways, you know what we're gonna hear.
We're gonna hear plenty from people who do know. He
sets out from for lun Larandon.

Speaker 2 (43:06):
Yeah, yep.

Speaker 3 (43:08):
So he sets out for London after his bro diyes.
The following morning, he arrests.

Speaker 2 (43:16):
Edwards.

Speaker 3 (43:19):
Oh my god, I can't read any of this. I
mentioned this fucking his uncle. The uncle's so they're half brother.
So they he arrests the other kid like he's just
already being like dicking around. Yep, And they were sent
to a castle where they were fucking. The uncle and
the and the half brother were fucking. Immediately beheaded in Yorkshire. Wait,

(43:40):
the nine and the twelve year old, No, not yet,
Oh so twelve year old's other uncle.

Speaker 2 (43:45):
Oh got it, brother, got it. We're immediately beheaded.

Speaker 3 (43:48):
So because because Edward the fifth was the heir to
the throne, so he was supposed to once his dad
affectly died, he was supposed to be fucking king. So
then Richard fucking grabs these two kids, these two little ones,
Edward the fifth of England and Richard of Shrewsbury and Shrewsbury, yeah,

(44:09):
Ricky Shrewsbury. He takes possession of them. The Elizabeth Woodville,
who was the wife of Edward who just died, takes
her other son, Richard, Duke of York. Then her daughter's
into a sanctuary. She's like fuck this, and like later
days then Richard, So Edward the fifth and Richard arrive
in London together and then so plans start for Edward's coronation,

(44:34):
but the date kept being postponed. So this twelve year
old kid had just lost his dad, was like about
to be the king, which know what I'm saying, very
game of thrones, very so on May nineteenth, fourteen eighty three,
Edward was lodged in the Tower of London. Scary, it's
the traditional residence of monarchs prior to the coordination. So

(44:56):
he's still like I'm going to be a king. And
then on June sixteenth, he was joined by his younger brother.
This kid Richard Ricky good old Ricky, who was previously
in the sanctuary. But at this point the date of
Edward's coronation was definitely postponed by their Dick uncle Richard
uncle Dick.

Speaker 2 (45:14):
To Tricky Dick. Tricky Dick got it.

Speaker 3 (45:18):
So then on Sunday, June twenty second, a sermon was
preached at Saint Paul's Crossing claiming Richard to be the
only legitimate heir of the House of York.

Speaker 2 (45:25):
So at this.

Speaker 3 (45:26):
Point there's like this crazy conspiracy to get this guy
Richard Tricky Dick to be the king instead.

Speaker 2 (45:33):
Yeah, so a group of lords.

Speaker 3 (45:37):
Knights and gentlemen petitioned Richard to take the throne. Both
princes were. The two kids were subsequently declared illegitimate by
parliament because Richard like changed the laws. It was an
act of Parliament known as Titulus reggio reggios again I fucking.

Speaker 2 (45:55):
Hate Yeah, we don't speak a Latin now.

Speaker 3 (45:59):
So he said that the marriage between Edward the fourth
and Elizabeth's marriage was invalid because of some contract of
a pre marriage. So like he made some bullshit lap
and said that these kids aren't legitimate, so this one
can't be king, so this rich so he was crown
King Richard the third.

Speaker 2 (46:19):
You were correct, ma'am, I was correct. You were correct.

Speaker 3 (46:22):
A miracle of England on July third, and the declaration
of the boy's illegitimacy had been described as an xbox's
facto justification for him getting the fucking throne. And it's
recorded that after he sees the throne, Edward and Ricky
were taken to the quote inner apartments of the tower,

(46:44):
and they were seen less and less. Sometimes they were
seen like playing outside, but less and less. And Edward
was regally visited by a doctor who reported that, like
a victim prepared for sacrifice, he sought remission of his
sins by day confession and penance because you believed that
death was facing him. Like this kid was twelve year

(47:05):
old boy. Yeah, this kid was like, I know it's happening.
I mean, he's been raised to be ready to be prince.
Here's probably a fucking smart kid. Yeah, right, and knows
what happened with monarchies, you know, it.

Speaker 4 (47:19):
Happened a bunch sure, pretty standard stuff.

Speaker 2 (47:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (47:24):
So there's reports that they're seeing playing around the tower,
but no recorded signings of either of them. After the
summer of fourteen eighty three, there was an attempt to
rescue them, but it failed, and it's it's at this
point the reason it failed is because they were already dead.
That's what they think, Oh, is that the reason it

(47:44):
failed is that they were already dead. Other than their disappearance,
there's no direct evidence that they were murdered and no
quote reliable, well informed, independent or impartial sources for the
associated events.

Speaker 2 (47:58):
So it's a.

Speaker 3 (48:00):
Speculation that they were murdered, but it's there's a lot
of evidence as to it happening.

Speaker 1 (48:06):
And well, yeah, because there's somebody that has a really
good reason to murder that.

Speaker 2 (48:10):
Very good and they're never seen from again.

Speaker 1 (48:12):
Right, And also, when you're the king, you can get
all that shit taken care of and not have any
evidence lay around.

Speaker 2 (48:18):
Right.

Speaker 3 (48:19):
So jump to like more recently for unidentified bodies have
been found which are considered possibly connected with the events.

Speaker 2 (48:31):
Let's see.

Speaker 3 (48:32):
Okay, So the theory that I think is the most
correct and seems to be the like this is what
everyone thinks it is. So there's this guy named James,
Sir James Tyrrell, who was an English knight who fought
for the House of York on many occasions, and he
was acting as he was the loyal servant of Richard
the Third.

Speaker 2 (48:51):
So he was arrested by Henry the.

Speaker 3 (48:58):
Just sound it out, how many v one one seventh?
Henry the seventh forces in fifteen oh two. I'm so
this is dude, please okay in fifteen oh two for
supporting another Yorkists claim to the throne. So he's arrested
and he was going to get executed and he was tortured,
and he's like, yeah, it's I was, I was.

Speaker 2 (49:17):
I did it because Richard the third.

Speaker 3 (49:19):
Told me to really confesses to this guy named Thomas Moore,
and Moore said that the princes, Uh, this guy told
him they were smothered to death in their beds by
two agents by the sky Tyrrell, and were then Terrell
and then we're then we're buried quote at the.

Speaker 2 (49:37):
Stair foot, neatly deep in the ground.

Speaker 3 (49:43):
Under a great heap of stones, but were later disinturned
and buried in a secret place.

Speaker 2 (49:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (49:54):
They were under the guard of the Tower of London
while they were there, which was controlled by Richard the
Third's man, and access to them to the princes was
strictly limited by his instructions, which is like that, that's
a fact. He could therefore have dispatched one of his
retainers to murder the princes on his behalf, but it's

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unlikely that they could have been murdered without his knowledge.

Speaker 2 (50:17):
You know what I mean? He did it. These little
fucking poor kids were.

Speaker 1 (50:23):
So.

Speaker 3 (50:23):
In sixteen seventy four, some workmen were remodeling the Tower
of London given in a little little year sixteen something
for sixteen seventy four, they dug up a wooden box
containing two small human skeletons.

Speaker 2 (50:36):
I know.

Speaker 3 (50:36):
The bones were found buried ten feet under the staircase
leading to the chapel of the White Tower. They were
not the first children's skeletons found within the tower.

Speaker 2 (50:48):
Oh no, what are you fucking doing? And they did
whatever they wanted.

Speaker 3 (50:54):
The bones of two other children had been found in
a chamber that had been walled up, which could have
also been them.

Speaker 2 (51:01):
So like, you find two sets, two sets of two
of two.

Speaker 3 (51:05):
Children's bones, like, the chances are that one of them
is going to be Yeah, except Queen Elizabeth I has
not granted the approval for DNA testing.

Speaker 2 (51:14):
She's like nope, Queen Elizaith. The second is our current one.
I think so and.

Speaker 4 (51:21):
Go sorry, no, only why what does she care?

Speaker 2 (51:25):
I mean it's gonna it's gonna look badly on on them.
Oh it's too late.

Speaker 1 (51:30):
Most people think they're lizard people, don't they realize? Yeah,
have you ever heard that theory? No, David Ike?

Speaker 2 (51:36):
No, Oh, that's fascinating. What is it? They think that?

Speaker 1 (51:39):
There's just that basically the most powerful and richest people
on the planet are actually lizard people.

Speaker 2 (51:46):
Oh, there was a last podcast on the Left about that. Yeah,
it's I haven't heard that.

Speaker 1 (51:51):
But my friend Laura used to read all David Ike
books and websites and then tell me what they said.
And she started out thinking it was funny, and then
after while it got a little real and I was like,
you need to stop reading that.

Speaker 2 (52:02):
Like she believed it.

Speaker 1 (52:04):
She just was reading a lot of it. She's like
submerged herself in the world a little much. Where it's basically,
once you suspend disbelief a little bit, then you can go,
you know, then you can kind of believe what you
know that everybody's kind of like a They say that
they're like these weird they have the ability to change
from lizards to people.

Speaker 4 (52:24):
Wow, and that's all, Like most royalty are actually lizard people.

Speaker 2 (52:28):
That's stupid. It's a little heavy. Like why lizards. I
don't know.

Speaker 1 (52:34):
Maybe it's because it's like you could see it like
they're party alien or something.

Speaker 3 (52:38):
Okay, I think I actually believe alien more than lizard.

Speaker 2 (52:43):
Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (52:44):
Anyways, The end is that the bones were removed and
examined in nineteen thirty three and the archivist, the leading anatomist,
he said that they concluded that the bones belong to
two children around the correct ages for the princes.

Speaker 4 (53:02):
Oh yeah, that was in the thirties that they did.

Speaker 2 (53:05):
Oh that's cool.

Speaker 3 (53:06):
But since then they won't they won't let them test that.

Speaker 2 (53:10):
That's all. It's the only word they want to hear
about it. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (53:14):
You know what's funny is we went to the Tower
of London, my sister and I did. I but we
had such bad jet lag that we were trying to
stay up till a normal hour, so that when we
went to sleep, because we landed at like nine in
the morning, but for us it was like two in
the morning. So then it was like for us, it
was like we're trying to stay up all night. So
we took all these tours. So we walked through the

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Tower of London. We did all this stuff, but neither
of us can remember it because we were like exhausted.
And then we finally went to sleep at four o'clock
and then we woke up at three in the morning
and we had jet lag for like four days.

Speaker 2 (53:50):
It sucked. I did that and I did that too.

Speaker 1 (53:53):
In places, if you don't do it right, you can
really screw up, like your whole vacation.

Speaker 2 (53:58):
That's true.

Speaker 1 (53:59):
One of the old memories I have is like going
to the aquarium that they have there, really have a
really awesome one, and petting a little sting ray that
would they would come up to the sides of the tank.

Speaker 4 (54:09):
Like little dogs.

Speaker 1 (54:10):
Oh my god, you but I was in lun I mean,
of all the memories to have of lunch, I could
have done that in Monterey.

Speaker 4 (54:16):
That's true, totally insane anyhow we were.

Speaker 1 (54:20):
I'm just saying the Tower of London did not seem
to me to be the kind of place any kid
would ever.

Speaker 2 (54:24):
Want to be.

Speaker 3 (54:25):
No, not a fun little hangout, No, not a good
summer camp. Well that's fifteen hundreds. Next year next time?
Can we do can we do like a seventies one?

Speaker 4 (54:37):
I mean this was a misstep, Oh, I admit it.

Speaker 3 (54:41):
Were those Okay, I feel like I feel like I'm
going to edit out some of the stupider shit.

Speaker 1 (54:45):
I said, look, you can, you can edit whatever you want,
but I think upid If anyone is coming here to learn,
they've made a terrible mistake.

Speaker 2 (54:56):
And also yeah, yeah, I mean.

Speaker 3 (55:03):
Well let's do like so your your your episode about
or your murder about the chick who's hands got fucking
sliced off, Mary Vincent, Mary Vincent fucking crawling her stump
way yep, that's like the most talked about one, right,

(55:24):
So people like gruesome shit?

Speaker 1 (55:27):
Well, and also I think it's just it's if it's
a good story. Yeah, it's a survivor's story, a survivor story,
or something so insane. Like for me, what I like
is when it's something where you're like, I'm sorry, what
the fuck are you talking about?

Speaker 4 (55:40):
Like how is that possible in human experience?

Speaker 2 (55:43):
Yeah? What depraved fuck up? Inness?

Speaker 4 (55:47):
Or like crazy planning?

Speaker 2 (55:48):
Yeah, should we do Survivors next week? We can?

Speaker 1 (55:52):
Oh my god, I know the one I want to do.
If you want to do survivors. Yeah, let's do I survived.

Speaker 2 (55:58):
Uh, I'll tell you.

Speaker 4 (55:59):
Mine will be from and I survived.

Speaker 2 (56:01):
I'm sure it will. You're obsessed with that shit.

Speaker 4 (56:03):
I this is when I tell people at parties.

Speaker 2 (56:06):
She told me, don't tell me. I don't know. Sometimes
I can't think it.

Speaker 1 (56:11):
I think part of this obsession is when I can't
think of what to say, I'll just go into somebody
else's tale of amazing survival.

Speaker 2 (56:17):
You know.

Speaker 3 (56:18):
Lately, when I've at like when I am short of
a conversation and I'll ask people their hometown murders.

Speaker 2 (56:24):
You will, yep. Do you get some good ones?

Speaker 3 (56:27):
Sometimes people see it's funny how much how people just
jump into the conversation like it's normal, Yes, which I
really appreciate. I do too, And like I've been like
a you know, around a whole table of people and
it's like awkward chit chat. And then I'll and then
I'll be like, oh, I'm from Arizona, and I'm like, oh,
were you there when this thing happened? Yeah, and then
it just starts this like fun conversation.

Speaker 1 (56:49):
Well because and also because people have such extreme reactions
to it. Either they're super into it or super.

Speaker 2 (56:53):
Repelled by it.

Speaker 1 (56:54):
Yeah, but it is a fun like, Oh I can't
if you guys were to talk about this, I can't
be here, go away.

Speaker 4 (57:00):
Yeah, that's exactly what I end up saying.

Speaker 2 (57:03):
Can we Yeah, I'm not going to. I'm not going to.
Fucking you don't have to make your whole life around
someone else's comfort or not. No, why would you? Should
we read it?

Speaker 1 (57:16):
No?

Speaker 2 (57:16):
Go ahead? Should we read a.

Speaker 3 (57:19):
Hometown please do before we end? Yeah, there's one that
I have. Let's see that was really great. Hold on
one second, let's see do you do that?

Speaker 2 (57:32):
This is a hold music.

Speaker 4 (57:35):
Do Do Do Do Do Do boo?

Speaker 2 (57:40):
Back in the fifteen hundreds, So.

Speaker 3 (57:42):
Krista wrote a hometown murder and the subject is this
is the one in all caps.

Speaker 2 (57:48):
So I'm like, I'm going to read that one. Well done.

Speaker 3 (57:51):
And people have been really good at like putting awesome
subject lines on it, like they'll put like, what like murder, suicide, blah,
this is crazy.

Speaker 2 (58:01):
Yeah, I'm reading that. Nice.

Speaker 3 (58:03):
So Okay, here's Christa's story. Okay, In nineteen ninety three,
my eighteen year old neighbor went missing.

Speaker 2 (58:13):
Rose Larner was her name.

Speaker 3 (58:14):
I was younger so I didn't really know her well,
but did know her younger brother, who was only a
year ahead of me in school. It was December in Michigan,
and I can remember my best friend and I intentionally
walking past Rose's house when her mother, also named Rose,
kept alone campbell burning in the window as a symbol
for her missing daughter.

Speaker 2 (58:33):
Ooh.

Speaker 3 (58:33):
The police didn't really seem to do much since Rose
was eighteen Hey nineteen ninety three. Yeah, she was legally
a doubt. However, it was very eerie. According to reports.
Her boyfriend and her childhood friend said they the last
saw her early that morning and that was it.

Speaker 2 (58:47):
She totally vanished.

Speaker 3 (58:48):
For two years, there was no answer about Rose until
the childhood friend, Billy Brown, fearing he was going to
be arrested, confess that the boyfriend, John ortiz Keho, strangled
Rose at his grandparents' house.

Speaker 2 (59:01):
Those poor people.

Speaker 3 (59:02):
According to Billy, John became infuriated when Rose refused to
participate in a threesome. Reports said that he strangled her,
took her to the shower, slit her throat, dismembered her,
and burned her body and the grandparents fire pit with
the help of Billy, Jesus high school.

Speaker 2 (59:20):
Can you imagine?

Speaker 3 (59:21):
Yeah, here's where it gets seriously disturbing. She says, really,
what I was there? According to Billy's testimony, he and
John had gone to the store that day and purchased
sandwich making items, bread, turkey, et cetera. While they were
watching Rose's body burned, John commented that he quote wondered
how flesh would taste. Cut off a remaining piece of Rose,

(59:44):
put it in a sandwich with some mustard, and ate her.
There were no words. There are no words. Billy claims.
John tried to eat another piece but spit it out
because the flesh had too much gasoline on it. That's
why he's fucking spitted up, which they'd used to burn
her body. The police were able to find a speck
of blood at the grandparents house and identified it as

(01:00:04):
a Rose. Keho is in jail for life, but has
a fucking blog, a blog protesting his innocence. She says,
Billy Brown only got a year in jail, which is interesting, Like,
it's what that they only found a spec Yeah, that's strange.

Speaker 2 (01:00:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:00:21):
Keyho still claims that he is innocent of all this,
In states that Brown sold him out because both were
drug dealers users, and Billy was afraid he would get
sent to jail unless he gave the place a story
to bargain with.

Speaker 1 (01:00:31):
Wait a second, so then was it not true that
he like, was that the eating.

Speaker 2 (01:00:36):
Part not true? Well, he got convicted, But I mean,
is he saying that he made that up or something?
He was saying? You didn't kill her at all? Any
of it?

Speaker 4 (01:00:47):
Oh, which is interesting.

Speaker 3 (01:00:50):
That you would think that there'd be more than a
speck of blood. Yeah, that's true, especially for our high
school in nineteenninety three, who doesn't understand like luminol and
how to like find bloods yea, even in the pipes
of the shower, although I guess it was two years later.

Speaker 4 (01:01:04):
Two years that's true.

Speaker 1 (01:01:05):
But but that you're right that if they looked at
it with lumino, wouldn't it still be there?

Speaker 2 (01:01:10):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:01:11):
So they either killed her somewhere else or didn't. But
it sounds like the cutting happened in the shower. Yeah,
but would it still be in there? I mean picks
up if.

Speaker 1 (01:01:21):
He strangled her then then slid her throat in the shower.

Speaker 3 (01:01:24):
But if you dismembered her, then you know, how do
you carry body parts.

Speaker 1 (01:01:29):
To the unless he did the dismemberment outside, but there'd
still be well then if it was like in dirt,
if the blood was in dirt, right, or he took
the body parts straight from the shower into like a
garbage bag.

Speaker 3 (01:01:43):
Dude, But you know what, like what about the fire pit?
I feel like there'd be so much evidence in there,
like ashes and and.

Speaker 1 (01:01:49):
Yes, for sure, because you can't burn a human body
like at just a normal fire pit.

Speaker 2 (01:01:55):
Bone fragments something.

Speaker 1 (01:01:56):
Even when you burn a body when it's being officially
and we've got a mortician we can talk to about this,
but there is a certain heat at which it burns,
and even then there's still bones left over.

Speaker 3 (01:02:09):
I've seen the remnants of a cremated body.

Speaker 2 (01:02:14):
Yeah, it's fucking creepy.

Speaker 1 (01:02:17):
Well yeah, oh that's not that satisfying.

Speaker 4 (01:02:21):
So it's either they did it or they completely didn't.

Speaker 3 (01:02:24):
I it's it sounds like the most obvious answer except
for maybe why he did it and the eating of
the body.

Speaker 2 (01:02:32):
Part, right, I mean this just it's so making a murderer. Yeah,
it's so that thing.

Speaker 1 (01:02:39):
Where then you're when you are left, when I am
left in stories like that, I can fill in those
blanks so easily and just be positive someone's guilty.

Speaker 3 (01:02:47):
But why would those cops run with it if they
had already been like, no, she ran away. It wasn't like, oh,
we haven't solved this murder, this like crime of this
disappearing girl.

Speaker 1 (01:02:56):
Well, because don't you think they always suspect like the
closest if it's a that's disappeared, they always suspect the
boyfriend or a male relative, Like I'm sure they had
their four favorites.

Speaker 3 (01:03:07):
I just also feel like, so they must have. They
must have interviewed the boyfriend and the best friend in
the beginning and grilled them. I feel like one of
them would have cracked, Like it's again high.

Speaker 4 (01:03:19):
Schoolers, Yeah, but high school drug dealers.

Speaker 2 (01:03:22):
Maybe they were on drugs.

Speaker 1 (01:03:24):
I always think it's so fascinating that whole thing of
like how drugs can affect like an allied detector tests
or the hiccups allied detector test, or like any of
that stuff where you can kind of weirdly like you
can neutralize your your energy and make them not suspect you.

Speaker 3 (01:03:46):
Well, also, I guess if you're a drug dealer, you're
already kind of like our anti authority. So the thought
of like succumbing and confessing, because succumbing to the interrogation
and confessing is like a it's like a feed of
strength to be like, no, I didn't do it.

Speaker 2 (01:04:02):
I didn't let them.

Speaker 1 (01:04:04):
Yeah, and if they're drug dealers, maybe they had already
dealt with the cops a lot, so it wasn't so
scary as it would be for you and I.

Speaker 3 (01:04:10):
Right Friday night, Vince and I did nothing and sat
at home and watch the OJ Simpsons, the New Simpsons, Yes,
documentary the thirty for thirty which I haven't finished yet,
don't even I'm only in part four. And you and
I did either texted and had some funny jokes about it. Yes,

(01:04:31):
and that's like that was perfect. We had some wine
and we had snacks and like, that's like my perfect
moment with cats surrounding us.

Speaker 2 (01:04:41):
Yeah, and fucked up murder. I love that special. I
was talking.

Speaker 4 (01:04:47):
I went to a party on Saturday night last Saturday,
and I.

Speaker 1 (01:04:50):
Was talking to my friend about that, and I just
kept saying to her, I'm so embarrassed. My reaction in
nineteen ninety five or whenever that dip that verdict came
down was it ninety five.

Speaker 2 (01:05:04):
Or ninety four, I want to yeah, ninety four, ninety five,
I can't remember.

Speaker 1 (01:05:07):
But whatever it was, I just very much remember. I
remember hearing like on the radio, on talk radio or
whatever black. The black reaction was like, good, this is
what we deserve, you know, it's only just And I
remember just thinking, this is crazy. I don't understand what
these people are talking about. And now it took twenty

(01:05:27):
five years practically, and to now understand what they meant.
It makes me embarrassed that, like that's what they're talking
about when they talk about white privilege. There are stories
in that documentary I never heard before. I didn't know
about that twelve year old girl I got shot in
the back by the crean store owner. I didn't know
about the woman who got shot on her front lawn

(01:05:49):
over an entery like a gas bill. Like there's all
this news that I didn't know about that. I like,
we just weren't privy, Like the news was so different
back then, and right, I mean you think.

Speaker 2 (01:06:02):
Like racism, you know, not, my lifetime is so much better.
We don't. We're not this is and yet we're fucking horrible.

Speaker 1 (01:06:09):
Yes, it's because we because Ultimately, it's you don't know
what you don't know totally. And a lot of people
talk like when people when there's the Black Lives Matter,
you know, campaign, and then there's these other people going
all Lives matter where it's like you're you are missing
the point, and what you're saying is as if you
understand what these people are going through, you do not.

(01:06:31):
Your privilege is such that you have no idea.

Speaker 3 (01:06:35):
And me as even though I'm not at all racists
and no one in my family is, and it's not
you know, it's nothing I've ever encountered on my own
in my own life.

Speaker 2 (01:06:45):
It made me so embarrassed.

Speaker 1 (01:06:47):
Yes, for it's because we shouldn't because if you don't know,
then you shouldn't be going. This is ridiculous, you know
what I mean, Like it's that judgment of of privilege
that's embarrassing to me, because, yeah, I always thought I
was middle class, working class. My parents are from both
were raised by Irish immigrants who are poor and bootstrapped

(01:07:08):
and all that kind of stuff, so nobody has that
kind of like I always look at that as like, oh,
the one percent and those people that don't understand whatever,
that's not us. It absolutely is you if you haven't
had the experience. And that's but that's the brilliance of
that documentary series is people are legitimately having their eyes open.

Speaker 2 (01:07:28):
I can't wait to finish it, and it's it's I hear.

Speaker 1 (01:07:32):
The fifth episode is insanely grizzly because you see the bodies.

Speaker 2 (01:07:39):
There's crime scene photos.

Speaker 3 (01:07:41):
Is that the first time they've ever been shown like
legally and publicly?

Speaker 2 (01:07:45):
I wonder, I'm not sure. Oh god, I don't want
to see you.

Speaker 4 (01:07:48):
It's apparently very graphic and upsetting.

Speaker 3 (01:07:51):
I just remember hearing when I was like when it
happened that there's the first time I ever heard this,
and I've unfortunately heard it since that her neck was
so slit that it was almost she was almost beheaded.

Speaker 2 (01:08:01):
Yeah, like that has stuck with me.

Speaker 3 (01:08:05):
I mean, seen it, a couple heard it, a couple
read a couple times in other crimes since then.

Speaker 2 (01:08:09):
Yeah, and it gives me the chills. It's so crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:08:15):
It's so crazy, And the weirdest part is that all
of it, like the entire story is surreally huge, Like
you just wouldn't anybody who hasn't seen this documentary, you
really have to see it.

Speaker 3 (01:08:28):
In the beginning, the first episode is really all about
OJ in his football career, which I was like boring,
but then it makes you understand who he was and
why it mattered because I didn't care about football, right,
so I didn't understand what a huge person. I saw
him in the Naked gun and I was like, he's
that actor. Yeah, But like even him getting it was
just so interesting what it meant for him to be

(01:08:50):
as huge as he.

Speaker 1 (01:08:51):
Was, right, and he was one of the first people.
He was one of the first black men that was
presented as like a commercial, asper rational figure, which had
never happened before.

Speaker 3 (01:09:03):
For neither for not just for black people, no for everybody.

Speaker 2 (01:09:06):
Yeah at large. It's so fascinating.

Speaker 1 (01:09:11):
Yeah, I highly recommend it.

Speaker 2 (01:09:16):
Crazy Yeah, Well.

Speaker 3 (01:09:18):
I tried to end it on a positive note and
then I ended up talking about locking out this sentence again.

Speaker 2 (01:09:25):
Oh.

Speaker 1 (01:09:25):
Also, there's a series my sister told me to start
watching which is on PBS called The Tunnel.

Speaker 2 (01:09:30):
Have you heard of that? The one you just told
me about, where there's.

Speaker 1 (01:09:33):
They find a body in the chunnel between France and England,
and it's a woman's body that they laid perfectly on
the line between England and France, and it's really good.

Speaker 2 (01:09:45):
It just started.

Speaker 1 (01:09:46):
I keep checking my DVR thinking that there's going to
be another one, and it's like, no, you're new to
this series.

Speaker 2 (01:09:54):
You have to wait a week. But it's driving me crazy. Yeah,
because it's that good. I can't do that anymore. I know,
I want to watch everything at once.

Speaker 3 (01:10:01):
Yeah, okay, okay, let's watch that. What do you guys like,
what are you guys into? What's your favorite murder? What's
your hometown murder? Email Usa? I think ups now, email
us at my favorite murder at gmail? Tell us your
hometown murder. Make that subject line real interesting again. Your
t shirts are coming soon. They're being made. It was
a pre order. Thank you for being patient.

Speaker 1 (01:10:23):
Yeah, we'll never go anywhere past nineteen let's say nineteen ten,
or we can go to late eighteen hundred.

Speaker 3 (01:10:33):
Fel Like, yeah, late eighteen hundreds is pretty cool because
there's like a lot of like nefarious villains and stuff,
which is fun and you can like picture the mustaches
and stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:10:40):
Yeah, but everything else is just like crazy, yeah, crazed ignorance.

Speaker 3 (01:10:44):
Sorry, Yeah, and tell your friend, tell a friend about
this podcast, and let's let's we really you guys, this
is so exciting.

Speaker 2 (01:10:52):
I love this podcast. It's pretty fun.

Speaker 1 (01:10:54):
And our Facebook page we have almost sixteen thousand people
on it's so nuice, it's so nuts, and thank you
so much to all of our I always.

Speaker 2 (01:11:04):
Forget the word murderinos. Our murderinos.

Speaker 1 (01:11:07):
Yes, but are the people that run that page, oh
are murderators. They are murderators. Bust their us. They really
keep it in line. It's exactly how we want it.
People being cool to each other, people talking about stuff,
but keeping it on topic and kind of keeping it clean.
So we can just go on there and read these
stories people post. We can, you know, not too many memes,

(01:11:29):
like they just keep it nice and like on on
point for us.

Speaker 3 (01:11:33):
And there's murders up there too, so you guys can
read them because we have a ton in our email.

Speaker 2 (01:11:37):
But you but that you guys need to see.

Speaker 3 (01:11:39):
But actually, I think I'm going to start posting them
as like blog posts on our Patreon.

Speaker 2 (01:11:45):
Oh good idea for free or whatever.

Speaker 3 (01:11:47):
I don't know how to do it, but yeah, we
don't know my favorite murder or Patreon. I think I'm
going to start posting some of the ones we're not
going to read on there and my favorite murder at
Twitter on Twitter, and there's like a time.

Speaker 2 (01:11:57):
You guys should listen to the other episodes. They're not
from the fifteen hundreds.

Speaker 4 (01:12:01):
Oh my god, this thing was, you know what? This
was fun about?

Speaker 1 (01:12:04):
This This was like a plane that was kind of crashing,
but then it pulled, It pulled the nose up at
the end, and then it just kind of skidded into
the dirty.

Speaker 2 (01:12:12):
We skimmed, We skimmed the trees.

Speaker 1 (01:12:17):
We did our best. Yeah, sometimes it's fun to listen
to people try.

Speaker 3 (01:12:20):
It is, and I'm sure it was. There were funny moments,
well intentionally or otherwise.

Speaker 2 (01:12:27):
I like that you you tried to end it on
a posity. I really did.

Speaker 3 (01:12:32):
And Elvis isn't here, so I can't make him me out?

Speaker 2 (01:12:35):
Should I try to get him to come out? Fucking
shit show? Elvis?

Speaker 1 (01:12:38):
You better get out here right now, Elvis, come to
the building, Elvis, Elvis.

Speaker 2 (01:12:44):
Hi, do you worry? Cooky? Thank god? Hey, Karen, stay sexy,
don't get murdered. Bye.