24 - Episode ...And Twenty Justice Four All

This week K&G discuss Karen's tragic hometown murder, Polly Klaas, as well as the truth behind Kitty Genovese's stabbing. Plus must-watch documentaries and all the banter you can handle.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:16):
Do you want to start a podcast? Pay you on
a podcast? Hey, hi, Hi, we need to wait, I
start this and end this. That's like, that's clean, distinctive.

Speaker 2 (00:27):
What if it was like seventies news cast kind of
like a that'd be good, right.

Speaker 3 (00:34):
That's just in.

Speaker 1 (00:36):
Instead, it's just me laying down on the love seat. Guys,
you leaning back on the couch.

Speaker 2 (00:43):
I leaned back on the couch like a kind of
like an old drunk hobo leans on a park bench, right, Steven.
Steven had to put his hand over his mouth. It
was that as so true. He's like, I'm seeing it's
as if my hat is tipped forward.

Speaker 1 (00:58):
Yeah, and I'm leaning on on this love seat like
Missus Roper's on a fucking if.

Speaker 2 (01:04):
Missus Robert went and got some scissors and cut her
kaftan in half.

Speaker 3 (01:09):
Because Georgia isn't fuck.

Speaker 2 (01:10):
Around a full length anything. No, you're all about the leg. Yeah,
that's true. I do show a lot of leg because
it's you know why, that's Summer Georgia in full offect.

Speaker 3 (01:21):
Thank you who ever made that. I did a kind
of rude thing.

Speaker 2 (01:25):
I posted the picture Summer Karen and full effect on
my Twitter page and then after I did it went, oh,
I probably should have found.

Speaker 3 (01:32):
Out who made that? Oh right, I didn't have the name.

Speaker 1 (01:35):
Man, fucking credit gives me so much stress, I know,
like I won't. It's so hard to make sure that
everyone gets credit. And you don't want them to hate
you and stop making shit.

Speaker 2 (01:46):
That's right, and you don't want to be ah the
fat Jew about it. Someone should explain that, you know,
the person who steals shit and makes a shit in
a month his name? He calls himself the fat Jew, right,
which is supposed to be funny in and of itself. Yeah,
it is really just a description.

Speaker 3 (02:08):
So yeah, shout out.

Speaker 2 (02:10):
Maybe somebody will put it on the Facebook page of
who who did it?

Speaker 1 (02:14):
Guess what's happening tomorrow? What the shirts are going out?
Oh my god, this has been.

Speaker 3 (02:19):
That's that's quite a weight.

Speaker 2 (02:21):
Actually, people have been for the I know you've gotten complaints,
but all told m M, that's you know, people have
been pretty patient.

Speaker 3 (02:30):
Oh for sure.

Speaker 1 (02:31):
The amount of emails I've gotten are so much less
than I thought that would be. And it's I mean,
I'm going to be so relieved when people get their shirts.
It's fucking stressful. Yeah, I bet it like I've been emailing,
and I mean, yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:45):
You've been, really you've been Georgia. Let me say this
about Georgia. Well, she looked at me, hold on, he's
just fine. Just wait till you find out what I'm
about to say.

Speaker 3 (02:53):
And then I just started fucking railing you.

Speaker 2 (02:57):
She is such she won't stop wearing very small house dresses. No,
Georgia got a look in her eye one day during
or after the podcast taping, and she was just like,
we should have shirts, and then she delivered this baby,
like the obstetrician of t shirts that she is.

Speaker 3 (03:19):
I had nothing to do with any of it.

Speaker 2 (03:21):
I put my initials next to some stuff and checked
some things off.

Speaker 3 (03:24):
Well, here's the thing. You have a job that you
go to every day. Uh huh.

Speaker 1 (03:29):
You have dogs, which everyone knows is very stressful. I
have no day job. I mean I work from time
to time. You do stuff, though, Yeah, I have extreme anxiety,
which causes me to constantly do things.

Speaker 2 (03:41):
Yeah, which is great. Mine causes me to constantly not
do things.

Speaker 1 (03:45):
That's interesting because you're like, I can't do this right,
I'm not even this is gonna suck.

Speaker 2 (03:49):
I won't do it exactly I freeze up. I have perfectionism,
and then I'm yeah, I just go fuck it. I've
I spent my life saying fuck it essential.

Speaker 1 (03:56):
Wow, because I'm I don't have perfectionism. So I'm like,
let's fucking try this and see what happens, and then
we'll learn from our mistakes and we can.

Speaker 3 (04:02):
Quit it if it sucks. That's the way to be.

Speaker 2 (04:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (04:05):
Like, if you do everything like at A at a
B plus you know, and no one else does anything
else because they think they're gonna get a B, then
that rounds up to an A.

Speaker 3 (04:15):
Then I get a fucking A.

Speaker 2 (04:16):
Hell.

Speaker 3 (04:16):
Yeah, I like this.

Speaker 1 (04:18):
I have to rely on other people's perfection anxieties to
just delive her mind.

Speaker 3 (04:24):
That's really smart.

Speaker 1 (04:25):
Did I tell you my grandma's my grandma sang bigger
dummies than you.

Speaker 3 (04:29):
Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 1 (04:30):
You know.

Speaker 2 (04:31):
It's so good. It's so good and bad at the
same time. My grandma sang was be quiet now she
remaining No, that's irish umpire or something.

Speaker 3 (04:43):
Oh, be quiet now. She was a gypsy. I only
saw her once. I love it. Yeah, just try it,
and if it sucks, you can just walk away from it.

Speaker 2 (04:57):
Girl.

Speaker 3 (04:57):
I'm about it.

Speaker 1 (04:58):
I mean, you were right about this podcast, but oh,
let's walk away from it. No, no, like, just try it.
Why don't we try it. Let's just do one and
see how it goes. That's my whole motto. Yeah, let's
do one and it goes. It's very smart. Yeah, but
the T shirts, I mean it's been stressful. Yeah, and
now everyone's making these awesome crafts, which, by the way,

(05:18):
I gave my fucking PO box on the Facebook.

Speaker 3 (05:21):
Is that a mistake? No, it's a PO box, I know.
But man, what do you think someone's going to go
stand by the PO box? I'll wait for you. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (05:31):
No, that's the whole point of po boxes is there's
someone that works there. And if someone just start standing
by a PO boxer like hey right, hey, weirdo with
the kitchen knife, get the fuck out of here.

Speaker 3 (05:41):
I'm just I don't know why. I'm just gonna always
go with Vince.

Speaker 1 (05:44):
So anyone who's thinking about beating me up going to
my big, tall husband.

Speaker 3 (05:49):
Who will probably do nothing box with make this nervous.
This is like we're now we're opposites. He's again.

Speaker 2 (05:58):
This is where I'm brave, where I feel like, come
at me. Give it your best. I'm terrified, I know,
but who cares. I mean, you could take a nice
swing at somebody.

Speaker 1 (06:11):
What a stupid way to die, though, Like what I
feel like if I heard that, Like this girl who
has a true crime podcast put her po box up
and got killed. What a fucking idiot? Why did she
do that? That's what I would think.

Speaker 3 (06:23):
I wouldn't.

Speaker 2 (06:25):
Po box is like the most vague, like if it's
a city, you don't even know if the person lives
in that city.

Speaker 3 (06:31):
You just got the po box.

Speaker 2 (06:32):
And also, this is Los Angeles. There's so many people here. Yeah,
so like I almost want to say millions.

Speaker 1 (06:40):
That sounds fucking right. I did say that sounds right, okay,
all right?

Speaker 2 (06:45):
And also no offense, but there's better po boxes to
stand next to.

Speaker 3 (06:51):
Everything was great up until you just said that. No
dummies than you. So sad. There's so many better dummies
in this town. No, thank you. Don't say that. I
meant that in the complimentary way. Is there one?

Speaker 2 (07:06):
No?

Speaker 3 (07:07):
But I mean justin Timberlake lives here somewhere.

Speaker 1 (07:09):
That's what I'm saying. Okay, that's what I've go kill.
Don't kill justin Timberlake. You guys, I was just gonna say,
go kill him. That's not okay.

Speaker 2 (07:16):
The people who kill are not influenceable by these podcasts.

Speaker 3 (07:20):
We can't.

Speaker 2 (07:21):
They're not going to be like with their murder kid
under the passenger seat and then be like, you know what, girls,
you show me the way.

Speaker 1 (07:28):
No one diabolically listens to a podcast. People on need
like at least medium joyfully listen to podcasts.

Speaker 2 (07:35):
No one's like, now we're baiting people, don't people like
I'm gonna show her.

Speaker 1 (07:40):
There's no like mister Burns esque podcast listeners sitting at
his desk going, you know, with his fingers and like, no,
he doesn't listen. Marge listens Simpsons. This this podcast always
comes back to the Simpsons. Lisa totally. Lisa's on that
Facebook and p R for sure. Oh I saw Can

(08:03):
I recommend a Netflix series that I watched all of
in one day?

Speaker 3 (08:08):
Always always oh Olive?

Speaker 2 (08:11):
This is from our new section Olives, All Alive, Always
all of You.

Speaker 3 (08:17):
It's called Marcella or Marcella.

Speaker 2 (08:19):
They pronounce it because they're British, so they'll do a
fancy pronunciation that baffles me. As we've I've already proven
it's with Anna Friel. It's super good. It's a female
homicide detective.

Speaker 3 (08:33):
It is all screwed up, as the all the good
ones are up.

Speaker 2 (08:37):
I watched the whole season, which I think was eight
episodes maybe.

Speaker 3 (08:41):
More, in a day, and it was so good.

Speaker 2 (08:45):
And there's a couple people on the Facebook page you
have recommended it Marcella is how it's spelled where watch
it's you?

Speaker 3 (08:54):
But I want to watch it. I haven't seen it yet.
I totally you should watch it. It's really good.

Speaker 2 (08:58):
And it's like, I mean, do you like do you
like those kinds of procedurals like a Luther or a
what what?

Speaker 3 (09:06):
A country of origin? England? Okay?

Speaker 1 (09:11):
Yes and no, Okay, it just depends sometimes I sometimes like.

Speaker 3 (09:18):
You need what? What do you need? Oh?

Speaker 1 (09:21):
You know what I loved is the one I'm not
gonna remember the name, the one with the woman.

Speaker 3 (09:27):
Oh, yes, that one I wish she did. No, she
was a police detective and she was incredible. Oh Happy Valley.

Speaker 1 (09:34):
Yes, Yes, I loved Happy Valley. And then there was
another one and I was just like, I can't with this.

Speaker 3 (09:39):
I don't care. It's uh, I just don't know. Maybe
you need.

Speaker 2 (09:43):
Yours more character driven like Happy Valley is almost more
about her family, her trying to deal with just her shit.

Speaker 1 (09:50):
Yeah, I guess it was like about her. I could
legitimately see why she was sucked up and sad.

Speaker 3 (09:56):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (09:56):
And it wasn't like just go get a fucking coffee
and cheer up, yes, or like I don't have to
talk like this all like you didn't do those like
dramatic bullshit things like talking in dramatic voices and words
that no one would ever fucking say. Not that I
can understand everything that was said on that show, because
it's some thick accents. But you watched the second season, right,
I don't finished it yet.

Speaker 2 (10:17):
Oh it's the best anyways, Sorry, go on, No, no, no,
that's just my recommendation.

Speaker 3 (10:21):
There was like one lone person was like, did anybody
watch this? It's so good? So I found that on
the Facebook page. I was like, I did. I loved it.
There's maybe there were two people.

Speaker 2 (10:31):
Actually, sorry, but I just wanted to to tell more
people if if people liked British procedurals like a Luther
or a Uh, I don't.

Speaker 3 (10:43):
Know, Dexter was that good?

Speaker 4 (10:45):
No?

Speaker 3 (10:46):
Watch I did not like Dexter. I never saw it.
It was super cheesy.

Speaker 2 (10:49):
It's a different type of procedural because it's it was
very heavy handed. It was also narrated, which I almost
always hate.

Speaker 3 (10:56):
So interesting was it like CSI? It was?

Speaker 2 (11:00):
Actually but yes, no it was CSI am. But Michael
Sea Hall is awesome. He's from six feet under.

Speaker 3 (11:06):
Oh yeah, of course he's great.

Speaker 2 (11:08):
And it's like the storylines are interesting because it's serial
killer stuff. But there was just a lot of like,
I don't know, it didn't do it the way I
like it.

Speaker 3 (11:19):
I went to his house on fourth of July once. Really,
that's no, this is a we'll call this. This area's
called Celebrity Center.

Speaker 1 (11:30):
It's called Hudos stock at a po box. Besides Georgia,
let's talk about it.

Speaker 3 (11:35):
Michael C.

Speaker 1 (11:36):
Hall is a good for Michael see all For example,
I know where he fucking lives. You guys, if you're
thinking of killing me at my PEO box, let me
know and I'll give you Michael Sea Hall's address.

Speaker 2 (11:44):
Good, throw him under the bus or give Why don't
you have your mail sent to his mailbox?

Speaker 1 (11:50):
Okay, I can't wait to see what but like what
we start getting though, like as much as I'm scared
of dying.

Speaker 3 (11:54):
I'm also excited for like present for living.

Speaker 1 (11:57):
Yeah, yeah, someone, I don't want to talk yet, but
someone's made us lipsticks. What like our flavor of lips,
like a Karen kilk air flipstick and a George arm No,
I can't.

Speaker 3 (12:07):
Can you even fucking im? I could be more excited.

Speaker 4 (12:10):
I know.

Speaker 1 (12:10):
I don't want to talk about it because I just
want to open the box with you. Should I open
before and present to present to you you like to
do it?

Speaker 3 (12:17):
Or should I? Should we open the stuff together?

Speaker 2 (12:19):
I have a feeling you have a very specific way
you like to do a male situation.

Speaker 3 (12:24):
Well, I mean yeah, probably thinks in general, like do
you do you like to have it be a surprise?
Remember last time I was afraid moths we're going to
come out? That's like a thing.

Speaker 2 (12:33):
I like a surprise, but probably because you I knew
you knew everything about it.

Speaker 3 (12:39):
Yeah, we could do either way. I guess I don't know.
We can do anything. It might be fun to open
it together. Yeah, any of us know what if.

Speaker 2 (12:47):
We open it and then we have to fake our
response because we're not that stoked on it, or like
you know, I used to work at Biobottoms, which was
a children's natural fiber clothing company in my hometown. Okay,
and the return bottoms was called bio Box. They made
a shit a ton of money, but the returns department
used to come and tell us weird shit that they got,
like what like just dog shit, Like someone sent back

(13:10):
a box that just had an old, dried piece of dogs.

Speaker 3 (13:14):
Yeah, okay, I'll open it first and then I mean,
as much as it would be fun to do that live, now,
let's do it live.

Speaker 2 (13:25):
If we got we should get like corners, like goggles,
the full suit glove has Matt you know has mat
with it.

Speaker 3 (13:34):
Or we should we open it all on video and
post that somewhere. Yeah, make people pay to watch us
open mail.

Speaker 1 (13:40):
That's a good idea. I mean, why not pay to
open free shit? Come on, yeah, we should do on
a video. Here I go again with my fucking plans
and skin plans and schemes.

Speaker 2 (13:51):
You're the architect of this high rise building that we're
living in this together.

Speaker 1 (13:56):
I'm just a condo it fueled by too much coffee
and adderall.

Speaker 3 (14:03):
And the invisile line.

Speaker 1 (14:05):
I just took out of my mouth because I realized
how awful it's happened.

Speaker 2 (14:10):
I actually get great joy from watching you take your
invisible line out of your mouth, because it looks like
it's three times bigger than your mouth as you take
it out.

Speaker 3 (14:19):
Yeah, so it's an event.

Speaker 1 (14:20):
It is, I feel like and then there's like like
a string of saliva attached to it.

Speaker 3 (14:25):
It's real sexy. It's how we are. Do you have
any other housekeeping No, I don't know.

Speaker 4 (14:32):
Do you?

Speaker 3 (14:33):
Uh No, I don't think so.

Speaker 2 (14:35):
Just I love to thank our murderaders Alex and Ari
for handling shit that that page almost has twenty five.

Speaker 3 (14:45):
Thousand people on the face you find it.

Speaker 1 (14:46):
So when I told you that we were number two
on the comedy podcast you started laughing in the same
and this like.

Speaker 3 (14:52):
Can you what the fuck? It's crazy? It's so crazy.
It is crazy. It's I like that very fun.

Speaker 1 (14:59):
Three of the top five comedy podcasts right now are
fucking female hosted, fairly female hosted? Is it two dope?
Queen Anna Faris' podcasts. She is so funny and fairs
she's a doorable ideore her.

Speaker 3 (15:17):
Adorable words. Yeah that's very cool. Yeah, I love it.
You know, it's twenty sixteen.

Speaker 1 (15:25):
Yeah, get on that HuffPo. I don't know what that means.
Actually we have numbright Okay, we have an interview to
tackle in my email.

Speaker 3 (15:33):
Oh really?

Speaker 1 (15:34):
Yeah, you can talk about it when we're not literally podcasting.
And should we put that into the celebrity center area?
Talk about it in my mind? Now we have all segments.
It's going to be like a late night talk show. Yeah,
so the mail these days can hear it. Hey, something
happened to you originally in a mail box.

Speaker 2 (15:53):
This is.

Speaker 1 (15:55):
Let's take a look at the clip. Let's go to
the GoPro that Georgia now where on her head. In
case someone murders her, she can catch them. Like how
like motorcyclistic.

Speaker 3 (16:03):
You're like a motorcyclist, you're always ready.

Speaker 2 (16:06):
That's actually a very good idea for people with extreme
murder anxiety. Wear a helmet with a GoPro on it,
so if something happens.

Speaker 1 (16:12):
Another idea proof therapy and medic in anxiety medications.

Speaker 3 (16:18):
Yes, I mean it's going to be. It's going to
end up being.

Speaker 2 (16:21):
It's going to need to be woven in together like right,
beautiful French braid.

Speaker 1 (16:25):
So you know what someone recently emailed me and said,
listened to your podcast, and thank you for talking about
depression and anxiety. I have it and I've never done
anything where do I even start to find a therapist?
And I was like so stoked this person wrote me
because to me, it's like fucking second nature. I've been
doing this since I was twelve, So I'd just like
what and so I gave them. Psychology Today has a

(16:47):
great a great page. You put in your zip code
and it tells you the psychologist in your area.

Speaker 3 (16:53):
That's how I found my therapy.

Speaker 4 (16:54):
Yea.

Speaker 1 (16:55):
I found most of my therapists through that, and I
love my therapist. I've been with her for like twelve years.
Yeah really yeah, And that's it was one day. I
think I tried one other person because I told my
friend who was a therapist, so I couldn't go to her.
So she's like, just tell me what you want, I'll recommend,
and I said, I need to talk to somebody that
looks like Olympia Ducaucus.

Speaker 3 (17:12):
Well that was a mistake. You can't do it that way. No,
you can't cast it in your mind then pretend you're
going to go act out scenes.

Speaker 1 (17:18):
They do have photos on thing and I've definitely been like,
that's it.

Speaker 3 (17:22):
She looks like a hippie, right. I don't want to
go to her.

Speaker 2 (17:25):
I don't want to go into a cloud of pot
to talk about my past.

Speaker 3 (17:29):
She doesn't know what it's like to just wear all
this makeup all the time.

Speaker 2 (17:33):
I don't want someone who keeps interrupting my good stories
with their stories of woodstock and the doors.

Speaker 3 (17:40):
Yeah. No, that psychology today? Yeah? Is this shit that website? Yeah?
So in case you're too scared to ask, don't be scared.
Everyone's in therapy and everyone needs to be in therapy.
Also psychology, it's the freakin' best magazine. Yeah, it's good.
She get it. It's all about understanding yourself. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (18:00):
Sure, Uh, I'm sorry that was so condescent.

Speaker 3 (18:09):
It's gone first this week.

Speaker 2 (18:10):
I think it's you skipper times come back to us, skippers. Oh,
if it's mine this week? If I go first, I've.

Speaker 3 (18:23):
Oh I've been. This past week has been quite crazed.
Do you want me to go first?

Speaker 2 (18:27):
No? No, No, I can go, but I just want
I just need a little ramp up of I had
plans and schemes about what I was going to do,
and then realized I needed to do more work, like
really dig in and do some serious research, because that's
the thing is sometimes you go to talk about So
I want to do Ted Bundy because I'm three quarters

(18:48):
the way through that and rule book The Stranger Beside Me,
which is amazing. There's other people on the Facebook page
reading it, so I love that that we're reading it
at the same time. But I when I do it, it
be comprehensive and not you know, half assed, because he is. Yeah,
he's pretty much one of the most famous hero killers
of our time.

Speaker 1 (19:07):
And sometimes when you will like pick a part of
that story or pick you know, you don't have to
tell him from start to finish, but like, you know,
the co Ed Murderers that he did, like if you
pick a thing from it, or how Richard Romirez got caught.
I think that was an amazing story on its own.

Speaker 2 (19:26):
I'll say what I'm passionate about about Ted Bundy, but no,
when I do it, it's going to be a three
hour presentation.

Speaker 3 (19:35):
I'll just take a nap. Okay, uh, just read the
book on the podcast, yes, exactly, in kind of a slow,
low voice where people are just like, all right, I
was trying to get through my work days. But whatever
you feel like doing is fine. Yeah, this podcast has changed.
It's a bummer.

Speaker 4 (19:53):
No.

Speaker 2 (19:53):
So I figured I would go back to my roots
and I'm going to do my hometown murder, which is
the most famous murder from my hometown, which is the
polyclass murmer girl. Uh. And the other reason I'm telling
this is because not only was it a firsthand experience,

(20:14):
I didn't live in my hometown when she was kidnapped,
but I lived in San Francisco and I would go
home for holidays and I was back and forth all
the time. But poly Claus's mother is a woman named Eve,
and Eve was my boss at the last job I
had when I lived in pet Luma, which was at
Bottoms the natural fiber children's clothes.

Speaker 3 (20:37):
Oh my god, done, done, done comes back around.

Speaker 2 (20:39):
So I actually didn't mean to make that reference, but
then I was doing it, I was like, oh, I'm
probably doing this on purpose consciously, But it was very
strange because it's there's a lot of a lot of
the times we look and we research these stories, and
it's these places that are like you know, when we
when we talk about like the police messing up investigation

(21:01):
or things you know, things getting screwed up or whatever.
A lot of times it's because it's towns that have
never had a crime to that degree a murder or
kidnapping or something where people don't have the experience and
most of their career as a cop is pulling people over,
you know, giving people like DUIs and stuff.

Speaker 1 (21:19):
Totally, and it's before the Internet, so you don't really experience.
I mean, now we can read about other crimes and
other cities ad nauseum.

Speaker 2 (21:28):
Yeah, and people and all police stations are and cops
are more connected as the Internet. So that's like that
whole East Area rapist, the Golden State killer thing where
there were you know, there were police departments who are
keeping information from each other total because they were the
ones that wanted the caller. It's like all of that

(21:48):
in the way that you know that criminal science is
kind of developing because of the Internet.

Speaker 3 (21:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (21:53):
So, so my hometown is Pedlam, California, and it is
one of those towns where when I was growing up there,
I think it the population was somewhere around thirty two thousand,
so it was a small farm town basically. So the
main town itself there was like the downtown area the
east side had like more of like the newer development

(22:15):
tract homes kind of. Everyone on the east side had
like a two story house. But on my side, on
the west side, that was out where all the dairy
and chicken ranches were. So that's I grew up five
miles outside of town, and uh so we basically were
it was the country. And so when we like when

(22:35):
I was growing up, we didn't have cable, we only
had four channel. We only got four channels on our TV,
and we couldn't get pizza delivered to our house. Wow,
as we lived too far out of town. And that
was how a lot of kids I knew grew up.
It was just country country.

Speaker 1 (22:51):
Seems like I can't imagine being that far. I guess
someone who grew up literally with like shared walls with
other apartments. Oh yeah, I just can't even imagine living
in that much space.

Speaker 3 (23:03):
Yeah, it's it's weird.

Speaker 2 (23:05):
It's like you know that we didn't have sidewalks, We
didn't have we didn't.

Speaker 3 (23:09):
Have street lights.

Speaker 2 (23:10):
Holy shit, son, I think now they do on the
street that I grew up on, But like at the time,
like there was when you drove at night out where
I grew up, it was pitch black.

Speaker 1 (23:21):
I don't even know what that look like. I have
never seen the stars like that unless I'm camping or something.

Speaker 3 (23:25):
It's so fun.

Speaker 2 (23:26):
When I go to my dad's house for like holidays,
I get out of the car and I stand in
his driveway and they'll be like, come on crazy, Like
it's like it's stars from like horizon to horizon.

Speaker 1 (23:37):
People who aren't in La or New York or a
big city don't there's no stars because there's so much
light pollution that you just can't see.

Speaker 3 (23:44):
We can never see stars here never.

Speaker 2 (23:47):
And and people that live in like, oh my god,
if you live in like Kansas, yeah, like somewhere that's
like kind of low population and no light pollution.

Speaker 3 (23:56):
Totally dang dang dude.

Speaker 2 (23:59):
We used to at nights in the summertime, our next
door neighbor, the Withington's, had a pool, and we would
sometimes have like a slumber party where we'd all lay
in sleeping bags next to their pool and we would
lay on their chaise lounges and look up and there
would just be shooting stars all night long. We just
that's all we did was go, there's one, there's one.

Speaker 3 (24:19):
There's one. It was awesome. That's amazing.

Speaker 2 (24:21):
So anyway, that's basically the feel of this town. This
was the kind of town where and I think I've
told the story before in the show, but like in
my town that one time a guy on the street
tried to purse snatch a lady's purse, and everyone on
the sidewalk chased him up the street. Yes, it's that

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everyone knows each other, everyone's from there. People like stay there,
grow up there, stay there, raise their kids there. There's
generations and generations of like ranching people of all kinds
of people.

Speaker 3 (24:55):
So it's cool. It's I feel now, I feel lucky.
When I was growing up there, I was like, get
me out.

Speaker 2 (25:01):
Of course, I want to go to Manhattan, right, So
when this happened, it happened.

Speaker 3 (25:09):
It was a little house that was on the a
little Walnut.

Speaker 2 (25:13):
Park that was I think it's Walnut Park, a little
park that's in the kind of city center and it's
really cute. My friend Heidi Peterson's mom actually had a house.
So it's basically a park in the center and then
the you know, four streets squaring around it.

Speaker 3 (25:30):
So it wasn't rural. It wasn't in the middle of
an hour.

Speaker 2 (25:32):
No, they lived downtown Pedalom Wow. So they lived walking distance,
Like the main part of downtown is like Pedalomo Boulevard
and Western and that's where like the really old buildings,
the old two and three story buildings are. They lived
probably ten blocks from that part of town.

Speaker 3 (25:51):
Wow. So but still.

Speaker 2 (25:55):
And this was this happened in nineteen ninety three. But
even then, this was the kind of town where people
did not lock their front door. Yeah, you just didn't.
There was noted too.

Speaker 1 (26:08):
No, it seems like such a like what everyone says,
like you didn't lock your door, but like I don't
think you did, so like it was.

Speaker 2 (26:16):
I think that's also that that's that thing of like
people as as we get older, and it's this kind
of like twenty twenty generation grows up. Yes, it's that
thing of like now we just know what happens.

Speaker 3 (26:26):
To other people.

Speaker 1 (26:27):
Our parents didn't do it because they came from a
time when you didn't have to.

Speaker 3 (26:31):
We do it as adults because we because.

Speaker 2 (26:34):
We know her possibility, right, we didn't understand the possibility
as much.

Speaker 3 (26:38):
I think.

Speaker 2 (26:38):
Yeah, but also in these small towns that it just
didn't happen there, So it wasn't like you're like, well,
we should be careful anyway, it'd be like, don't be weird,
there's no reason. So on October first, nineteen ninety three,
Polly was having a slumber party with two of her
friends and Eve was in the front of the house.

Speaker 3 (26:58):
Her mom was in the front of the house.

Speaker 2 (27:00):
And somebody came in their back door, walked into her bedroom.
And the rumor is that he said, which one of
you lives here. Now, I know a bunch of small
town rumors about this case, and they could completely be bullshit,

(27:22):
but I'm basically just telling you this. I want to
hear those Wait, so how old was she She at
the time was twelve, okay.

Speaker 3 (27:28):
And so were they sleeping already. They were all awake.
They were awake in like doing slumper party.

Speaker 1 (27:34):
Stuff and the mom was awake and everything. Yes, oly shit.

Speaker 3 (27:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (27:38):
So he tied the friends up first and put sleep
pillowcases over their head and they then he took her
out of the house, and that he told them to
count to a thousand or kill them. So they once
they heard him go, they got free and then ran.

Speaker 3 (27:55):
To the front of the house and said someone took
Polly good for them.

Speaker 2 (27:59):
So the other thing is Dave Anthony, the co host
of The Doll Up, my first comedy boyfriend. When we
lived in San Francisco, he still worked at the bank
in his hometown, which is Nevado, the town next like
the town next to my town, shit going south to
San Francisco, and his boss at that bank, his daughter.

Speaker 3 (28:22):
Was one of those two.

Speaker 2 (28:24):
So when this shit kicked off, it was like everyone
you knew was affected and stuff.

Speaker 3 (28:29):
Yeah, everyone you knew knew a person.

Speaker 2 (28:31):
Everyone you knew, like my sister's best friend Adrian, who
is basically like my sister too. She pulled out a
photo album one time because she also worked at Biobottom.
So that job was actually really awesome. It was like
paid you way more than minimum way it was, and
we basically just sat there from like six in the
morning until two in the afternoon and took calls and

(28:52):
took orders and so you could actually make kind of
a good living, yeah, and then have the rest of
your day done. So she was like a young mother.
She worked there with me. She pulled out a photo
album one time of uh, there was somebody had a
baby shower and everybody was there, and Eve brought Polly
to that baby shower. So this girl was like, it's
that thing where it's not just oh, a girl from

(29:13):
our town.

Speaker 3 (29:14):
We all feel so everybody knew this family.

Speaker 1 (29:17):
Holy shit, that's like, that's so crazy that when there's
this like and I've noticed this with hometown murders that
are all like my brother's best friend from college, or
it's always someone you know, it's not just the hometown murder,
the thing that happened in their hometown.

Speaker 3 (29:30):
It's like a thing that could have been them.

Speaker 1 (29:33):
Or they knew the people, or they effecting affected them somehow.

Speaker 3 (29:37):
Totally so interesting.

Speaker 2 (29:38):
Well, and that I think that's also the thing that
ties us into it is because like I remember the
first time I went home, my sister called me to
tell me that it happened. And the first time I
went home, I drove so to get off the freeway,
I have to drive up Pedulma Boulevard. And then my
parents now live it. My dad lives in town. They finally,

(29:59):
of course, when he graduated from high school, I moved out.
That's when my parents moved into tak and got cable
and ordered pizza.

Speaker 3 (30:06):
I didn't have cable until you left for college. No,
oh my god.

Speaker 2 (30:10):
No, my friends would talk about the Brady Bunch that
was like on Channel forty four, which was like, oh,
that's the San Francisco station that like other people have. Yeah,
we just had dipshit Gilligan's Island.

Speaker 1 (30:21):
Anyway, I'm not shaming it. It's just like, it's such
an interesting fact of your life.

Speaker 3 (30:26):
Yeah, it's so weird.

Speaker 2 (30:28):
And also because my dad's a fireman, which is this
classic move of fireman, which was we have cable in.

Speaker 3 (30:33):
The firehouse, we don't need that shit.

Speaker 2 (30:35):
So he saw all the terrible stuff that cable provided
and he was like, I'm keeping that away from my kids.

Speaker 1 (30:40):
And yet it didn't make a fucking difference. Look at
you now, look at the things I'm talking about. How
much I say the f wur.

Speaker 3 (30:45):
It has No it had no bearing on your life
at all.

Speaker 2 (30:48):
I think it did pushed me the other direction. Probably
that's why I'm a Satanist. Just kidding dad, he's not
listening to this. So anyway, what the first time I
came home after my sister told me about it. I'm
pretty sure sure it was for Thanksgiving? Was it? Or
maybe it was somewhere in the middle of November. The

(31:09):
entire town because her Polly's favorite color was purple. The
entire town, and every fucking car had a purple bow
on it, like a purple ribbon, like the yellow ribbon
for soldiers. There was purple ribbons for waiting for Polly
to get found. How long had you been gone by
that point? Well, that she got kidnapped on October first, Wow,

(31:30):
And so this was probably three weeks. It was everywhere
and it was like it gave me the chills. By
the time I got to my parents house, I was crying. Oh,
it was so heavy. Then my sister, who loves to
be this person, started telling me all the stuff that
she heard, and apparently so that happened the night of
October first. The next day they had to tell all

(31:51):
the kids at Pedluma Junior High because she was in
I believe seventh grade. Yeah, and she is the beginning
of seventh grade. Like if it was October, she'd probably
only been in school for a couple months. They made
the announcement that she was missing, and they had flyers
that said have you seen me?

Speaker 3 (32:11):
And they said after.

Speaker 2 (32:12):
School, we want you all to hand these out everywhere
you can. The kids got took the flyers and all
got up and left school right that moment and went
out into the town.

Speaker 3 (32:25):
Are you crying? Storry Yup? Started that. My sister told
me that story, and I sobbed for like ten minutes.

Speaker 2 (32:30):
Straight, because it's like, these kids, this was a girl
that was their friend, this was the girl they had
a crush on. This was like a real person, a
human being that someone just fucking took out of her room.

Speaker 3 (32:41):
I mean, it's so brazen that it's it's a nightmare.

Speaker 1 (32:44):
It's even scarier that it's just like not other circumstances
like she was alone or you know, her parents weren't
home or something.

Speaker 2 (32:54):
It's just like, how do you protect yourself? You can't
blame anything, Yeah, exactly. And also that, yeah, it's just
it's every parent's nightmare, it's every kid's nightmare.

Speaker 3 (33:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (33:06):
So the young the young children of that class in
Pedalom High Pedaloma Junior High, I've always had just this
like the biggest warm spot in my heart for them
because also it was just like we don't give a fuck,
like put us.

Speaker 3 (33:20):
On attention, what are you gonna do?

Speaker 1 (33:21):
You're gonna go do everything we can to help find her. Yeah,
and how can you sit through the rest of the
school day? I mean, I get it.

Speaker 3 (33:27):
I mean I'm sure you know, but it's just it
was kind of just a.

Speaker 2 (33:30):
Beautiful, incredibly sad thing, and the whole town took it
that way. I mean, everybody, you know, they they so
Winona Writer is from my hometown, Okay, and she I
think she also grew up like out in the country
like I did. And she went to Pedloma Junior High
and Pedalal High School.

Speaker 3 (33:51):
And she.

Speaker 2 (33:54):
Came back and she made the announcement when they were
still looking for her.

Speaker 3 (33:58):
So they ended up finding her or no, they.

Speaker 2 (34:03):
They ended up like making an arrest near the end
of November at the beginning of December, so somewhere in there,
like at the end of November when own A Writer
went on TV and made an announcement at National News saying,
this girl's missing.

Speaker 3 (34:18):
If you've seen her, we love her. She's part of
the community.

Speaker 2 (34:21):
This is my town, like all the shit where you know,
I'm sitting in an apartment in San Francisco watching it,
being like this is so weird.

Speaker 3 (34:29):
This is my this is where I grew up.

Speaker 2 (34:31):
This is my whole life and like and it's everyone
going like, yeah, this is this is our girl, Like
we have to find her, someone has to do stay there.

Speaker 3 (34:40):
So the horrible part of all of it is these the.

Speaker 2 (34:45):
The policeman, the pedimal police actually immediately called in the FBI.
They did all that stuff that we talked, We talked about,
like a there's other Nevado, that other murder that young girl,
where they just immediately called the FBI like they know
they're and over their head.

Speaker 3 (35:05):
They do the whole missing person saying.

Speaker 2 (35:06):
But the problem was the night that it happened when
the APB went out, it went out on the sheriff's channel,
which was Channel one, and that night there was some
Sonoma Valley Police officers that found So a woman was

(35:28):
a baby sitting at her boss's house and she saw
a car that was on her boss's private road and
so she called the police and said, I don't know
who this guy is, but there's a car sitting down there,
it stuck in a ditch and someone needs to come.

Speaker 3 (35:43):
So it was the from what I.

Speaker 2 (35:45):
Saw on Wikipedia, it said Sonoma Valley Police. I'm not
sure if that's accurate or what area they were in,
but it was it was somewhere kind of in the
rural part because so it all goes kind of starts
going by county, so it might have been Tsnoma County Sheriff,
Sonoma County.

Speaker 3 (36:02):
Police, whatever.

Speaker 2 (36:03):
But they call the police to go out there, and
the police who went were on Channel three.

Speaker 3 (36:09):
This was before they had united all of the.

Speaker 2 (36:13):
APB channels, so if the APB went out for the
sheriff's department, it only went out to the other sheriffs
on channel one.

Speaker 3 (36:19):
I guess now.

Speaker 2 (36:20):
They have it because of this kidnapping and this murder.
They changed all of that, so the second and APB
goes out in nine to one whatever thing like that.

Speaker 3 (36:30):
Everybody hears it on.

Speaker 2 (36:31):
All of those channels. But it wasn't like that then.
So these two cops go up and they check this
guy out. They don't know, they don't like how he looks,
they don't like where he is, they don't they're asking
him a bunch of questions. He's got an open container,
he's clearly been drinking, he's got leaves in his hair,
and he's got shit on him. But they searched the car.

(36:52):
There's nothing going on. There's nothing in the car, so
there's nothing they can do. They told they really didn't
like just the feel of it. Knowing nothing about what
was going on, they didn't like him, but they told
the and this is gonna sound blame me, but it's
it's one of those things where it's like you it's
better to overdo it.

Speaker 3 (37:12):
Than not do anything at all.

Speaker 2 (37:13):
Definitely, because they told the property owner, you need to
make a citizen's arrest so we can arrest this guy
because we can't there's nothing that's going on that we
can do anything about because this is a private road,
it's your property, So you need to come out and
say I want you're under citizens arrest and then we
can take him away. And the property owner was like,

(37:35):
I don't want to do that.

Speaker 3 (37:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (37:37):
So they just understandable because then he knows where she lives.

Speaker 3 (37:41):
That's exactly right a minute, you know, he gets let out. Yeah,
so so they have to let him go. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (37:49):
But what they did was they did they basically did
every little piece This is.

Speaker 3 (37:53):
Like, now, the opposite of most of the stories we hear.

Speaker 2 (37:55):
These cops did every little piece of paperwork they possibly
could about this guy. They took his name, they took
all the information about his car, where they were, the
report and everything, and they filed the thing it's called
like an F one file or something like that, and
it was the one thing that they could basically do.

Speaker 3 (38:14):
Was fill out this.

Speaker 2 (38:17):
Uh what is it called. It's called an it doesn't
really matter. It's like an F one card or something
like that that basically says, this was an event that
happened that the police got called to that we don't like,
but there's nothing we can do, but it happened, and
we were people to know.

Speaker 1 (38:36):
So they did that immediately. And then when did they
find out that that's who that was?

Speaker 2 (38:40):
Sorry, it was an FI card, a field interrogation card. Okay,
so they have all his information, they have the car
information and what happened?

Speaker 3 (38:47):
Sorry, what was the question?

Speaker 1 (38:49):
That makes sense? So when did they realize who it
was or were getting that? I thought, that's what you meant.

Speaker 2 (38:53):
Oh okay, So no, so once they left, they don't know.
On November twenty eighth, so then it was basically two
months later that same property owner is inspecting her property
after loggers partially cleared the property of trees, and she
discovers items that make her think that they might have

(39:14):
matched those used.

Speaker 3 (39:15):
In the kidnapping.

Speaker 2 (39:16):
So the sheriff department goes out there and they find
a torn pair of ballet leggings that match by the
FBI crime lab to the other part of the leggings.

Speaker 3 (39:29):
That were taken as evidence the night of the kidnapping.
So they basically.

Speaker 2 (39:35):
The theory is that he had already taken her out
of the car and hidden her out in these bushes.

Speaker 3 (39:44):
And then went back to the car.

Speaker 2 (39:45):
Then the cops pull up and he's just like, yeah,
you can look at any shit that I want because
she's tied up in the bushes over there. They don't
know whether or not he when they arrested this guy.
So this guy's named Richard Allen Davis. He has he
is on par with Charles Ants and in how many
times he has been arrested ben in jail like the
worst record miles long. He wouldn't tell them anything. He

(40:10):
wouldn't tell them that the events. Once he confessed that
he's the one that killed her, he didn't. He wouldn't
give them details of anything. So they would try to
walk him through it and he just wouldn't say what
happened or what he did or anything.

Speaker 3 (40:25):
He just admitted.

Speaker 2 (40:27):
Like they had all the enough evidence to bring him
to trial, and he basically was like, yeah, I did.

Speaker 3 (40:33):
It, but he didn't. He didn't tell them.

Speaker 2 (40:37):
He didn't. They don't know if she was murdered that night,
they don't know if he kept her for longer.

Speaker 3 (40:42):
But she wasn't found. Her body wasn't found there.

Speaker 2 (40:45):
Her body was found off of the one on one
freeway pretty far north up in Cloverfield, which is like,
it's so weird too, Like when I you hear all
these things, like these are the talents where we played,
We played against.

Speaker 3 (40:59):
Them in softball in high school. It's like the town
you would go to.

Speaker 2 (41:02):
We would go there on our way to Blue Lake,
on our way to vacation, like every summer.

Speaker 1 (41:06):
Now I'm picturing places in Orange County, and I can
I can make sense of that.

Speaker 3 (41:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (41:11):
So it's just like you're just thinking as you drive up,
it's also rural up there anyway, but as you drive up,
you just look out and somewhere off the side of
the highway there was a little girl's body.

Speaker 3 (41:22):
It's really awful.

Speaker 2 (41:26):
Essentially, they the three strike law was put into place
after this case. Happened because this guy had such an
insane record where it was like, you can't just get
arrested for a ton of terrible shit like fifty times
in your life and not have and just keep getting
out and keep doing stuff like this like he was.

(41:48):
He was pretty awful. So he admitted to strangling her
to death. But that's all the information that he would give.
I wonder why he wouldn't because he was told them.
He would think that if he had gotten them Sorry
I'm interrupting you.

Speaker 3 (42:04):
No, not at all.

Speaker 1 (42:05):
You would think that if he had not killed her
before the cops came, he would have wanted them to
know that so he can like taunt them almost.

Speaker 3 (42:14):
He was super weird.

Speaker 2 (42:16):
So when they when they put him on trial, he
did a bunch of weird shit. He flipped off like
the jury like he was mansony in that way where
he it was stuff like before they arrested him. In
my town, there was the rumor was that the father
did it.

Speaker 3 (42:33):
Oh fuck, And it.

Speaker 2 (42:35):
Was because they were like, he's got you know, he
owes money to the he owes money for gambling, he's this,
he's that, And the father was on TV constantly. If
you remember anything from this case. You remember Mark Klass
being on TV and talking about her. So I think
a lot of people in my town their reaction to
that was like, it seems like you're enjoying this publicity a.

Speaker 1 (42:56):
Little while looking back that poor guy. Yes, some awful
thing to say.

Speaker 2 (43:01):
Yeah, well that's small town gossip, you know what I mean,
where everyone's looking for the answer, and so it's easy
to get a target on your back.

Speaker 3 (43:08):
Sure.

Speaker 2 (43:09):
And also it just it's it's one thing to be
on the news crying and be like, I need my
daughter back, but I don't know there It was easy
to kind of put that on him because I think
it would he he.

Speaker 3 (43:21):
Was a zealot.

Speaker 2 (43:22):
But I mean, you know that's it's that thing of
like we don't know how people grieve, right, and and
he could be the kind of person that's like I
just need to do something with myself.

Speaker 3 (43:30):
Look at.

Speaker 1 (43:32):
Nicole Simpson and uh Ron Ron Goldman's dad. Yeah, you know,
I went out of his mind.

Speaker 2 (43:39):
Yeah yeah, I mean, who's to say how how you
would act or how it would be.

Speaker 3 (43:44):
Here's the good news. If any about any of that.

Speaker 2 (43:48):
There's a there's now they took the there was.

Speaker 3 (43:51):
This little church that in this weird part.

Speaker 2 (43:54):
Of the road where I go to go to my
dad's house, and they took that and that's now called
the Polyclass Center for the Performing Arts. Because she was
big into theater and she wanted to be an actress
and that was why meant so much that win On,
a writer came back and talked about her.

Speaker 3 (44:09):
It was all very sweet.

Speaker 2 (44:11):
So they've kind of dedicated that to like kids, you know,
making sure kids like I guess have a place to
perform and I don't know it for that part, it's
very sweet and positive. And the thing about they basically
all the things that got fucked up in the beginning
of through communication, they actually did stuff about sure, like

(44:33):
the APB thing and the three strikes law. They're like
a lot of good things came out of that.

Speaker 3 (44:38):
It's amazing.

Speaker 2 (44:39):
But also Richard Allen Davis actually had to get put
into solitary because he was getting beaten up so much.
So God blessed like that jailhouse justice, Like they couldn't
they couldn't wait.

Speaker 1 (44:53):
To beat this man up for killing I mean, I
want to say good, but at the same time, it's
you can't. You can't say that there's no Yeah, there's
no conscience, there's no good.

Speaker 3 (45:04):
But uh, they actually and he's on death row. He
got the death sentence, so he's still alive.

Speaker 2 (45:11):
Now he's still alive because California doesn't ever really execute anybody,
so that it's just it's people sitting on death row.

Speaker 3 (45:18):
But his lawyers actually tried to.

Speaker 2 (45:19):
Say they tried they they have tried to.

Speaker 3 (45:25):
Get uh, where's this part.

Speaker 2 (45:29):
They basically tried to say that it's torturing him by
making him wait to find out when he's going to
be executed.

Speaker 3 (45:35):
No, they tried to make that argument that it's like
that it's yeah, what you call that, it's called them inhumane.
What's it called?

Speaker 2 (45:45):
I don't know, something like it's something along those lines,
or it's just like when you when I read the paragraph,
I was just like, you gotta be fucking cute.

Speaker 3 (45:52):
Who would actually have the balls to say that out loud?
Sometimes sometimes I get really mad at lawyers.

Speaker 1 (45:58):
I don't I don't want to start the whole like
talking that we do about cops sometimes because I know
it's complicated and you promise to do these things and
you're and I'll hold the law. But sometimes I'm just like,
I just don't know how they live with themselves sometimes
when they're defending someone who's a monster exactly and doing
the best that they can to get them off. I

(46:21):
guess it's not I guess you just want to get
them a fair trial.

Speaker 2 (46:23):
Yeah, it must be hard. I would never want to
be a lawyer. However, Oh cruel and unusual uponish, there
it is. Yeah, that's the one we were looking for. Wow.

Speaker 3 (46:33):
Yeah, that's sad. So that's mine.

Speaker 2 (46:35):
I actually had a lot of guilt for not doing
this story earlier because it was it's my real hometown murder,
because I knew, like I was, it was really a
part of my life. But then also it feels bad
to talk about, Like I actually hesitated in saying her
mom's name because I don't want it to seem like
I'm trying to anything.

Speaker 1 (46:55):
Well, you started crying, and I don't think you've ever
done that in any of them before, you know, So
I feel like it's important and I don't think you
should feel mad at all.

Speaker 2 (47:03):
Okay, Also, there was this is there's another little girl
that got killed in my town that no one talks
about because she was black. Her name is Georgia Moses
and that story is really sad and awful.

Speaker 3 (47:15):
I'll do it at different time.

Speaker 2 (47:16):
But that actually gets brought up a lot in tandem
with poly Class because it's like poly Class was a
beautiful little girl.

Speaker 3 (47:23):
It was like the you know, blonde she was. No,
she wasn't blonde, but she was. She was blonde, she was.

Speaker 2 (47:30):
But it's that thing of like, you know, the press
loves like a beautiful.

Speaker 3 (47:36):
Little murtyr like that. Yeah, and then when it's a
story of.

Speaker 2 (47:39):
A girl who grew up on the wrong side of
the tracks and had all the worst in her life
and then was just murdered, like just thrown away, no
one talks about it. Yeah, except for Tom Waits, who
lives in my town, lives way out in the country.

Speaker 3 (47:54):
Wrote a song Tom for Georgia Moses.

Speaker 1 (47:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (47:57):
I bet you can find his po box pretty it
is that terrible, not at all. Thank you, Oh Georgia Moses.

Speaker 1 (48:05):
I'm sorry, yeah, but I'm yeah, that's fucking bummer.

Speaker 3 (48:10):
I know, I know. How do you feel now you
know what I'm I'm glad. I'm glad I said it.
Do you feel cleansed a little?

Speaker 2 (48:18):
No? Okay, No, I just think it's like you know what,
it's all around us. That's kind of the thing that
I feel like keeps coming up on this podcast. It's like,
this isn't special, No, I know, it happens the people
that it happens to you are and it's a full
on tragedy in ways that you can't even take in,

(48:39):
but it happens constantly.

Speaker 1 (48:42):
Yeah, it's like a it's a very normal part of life,
which I think once you the reason we're doing that
is because like we see that and we're freaked out
by it and fascinated by it, and like we could
have a million episodes and not get to half the
like every day we're that just happen all the time
that you haven't heard about or you haven't didn't know.

Speaker 3 (49:04):
The details for real.

Speaker 2 (49:06):
It's just.

Speaker 3 (49:08):
Yeah, yeah, people, Aye, it's fucking murdered. What's your murder?
So my murder? Okay.

Speaker 1 (49:17):
Like a month and a half or two months ago,
we got an email inviting us to the screening of
a new documentary called The Witness and it's a documentary
about Kitty Geneviez. That's how you say it, right, Kitty
Jenevie's And we couldn't go and so the guy sent

(49:38):
us a screener to watch. Did Yeah you didn't see that.
There's like a password and.

Speaker 2 (49:44):
Shit, oh I'm an email skimmer.

Speaker 3 (49:48):
Oh okay, constantly in trouble for it. That's hilarious.

Speaker 1 (49:52):
I like read into every single word on an email.
I'm like, what do they mean by that?

Speaker 2 (49:57):
I just saw that invitation and I was like the
it was a big long thing about being invited, but
there were no details where I was like.

Speaker 3 (50:04):
What time, Like where?

Speaker 1 (50:06):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (50:06):
What?

Speaker 3 (50:07):
And then I just kind of gave up after that.

Speaker 1 (50:09):
Yeah, I mean, and I was kind of like, okay,
whatever about it. This was like a while ago, and
finally I started watching it last night, and it's really
fucking good.

Speaker 3 (50:18):
Oh awesome. Yeah. The narrator, the guy who's kind of
the in the in the.

Speaker 1 (50:24):
Shit of it, he's like, the dude, who who you follow?
Is Kitty Genevieve's little brother?

Speaker 3 (50:30):
Wow? Yeah in real life? Yes? Wow?

Speaker 1 (50:33):
So he Okay, So let me tell you about the
murder a little bit. Okay, I'll say so. Catherine Kitty
Genoviez was stabbed to death outside her apartment building in
Q Garden's Queen's Like, I feel like everyone knows the story,
and that's why I was a little like, okay, like
I've heard the story a million fucking times. She's the

(50:54):
girl that basically everyone is like. She was being stabbed.
There were thirty eight witnesses from an apartment building across
the street, and no one did anything. And it kind
of started the whole like the bystander effect, by standard effect,
where nobody you know, the more people watching something, the
less likely anyone's going to interview Vian And it had
had all these like these effects on New York and

(51:17):
what's happening to the city and people are horrible, and
you know, this kind of this kind of awful thing
of nobody helping.

Speaker 2 (51:25):
Yeah, it's in like every psych one oh one totally yeah.

Speaker 1 (51:29):
So yeah, And so I don't want to spoil the
movie because I think everyone should go see it, but
I'm going to talk about the murder so that people
remember what it is and also some of the interesting
points from this movie without spoiling it, because I don't
think I could do that.

Speaker 3 (51:41):
It's really fucking good.

Speaker 1 (51:43):
So on March thirteenth, she finishes her shift at a
sports bar she's a bartender, and she gets home and
parks her car at three in the morning, like a
side parking lot, which sucks. And I feel like she
immediately saw her killer. Winston Mosley was like hanging out
looking for a victim. So she gets home, like three fifteen,

(52:05):
she parks. It's about one hundred feet from her apartment door. Yeah,
so she's walking towards her building. He starts to approach her.
She immediately starts running, like knowing something's going on. He
overtakes her and stabs her twice, right there on the sidewalk,
right across the street from this huge apartment building. And

(52:26):
so the story is that people came out and looked
and no one fucking did anything. But in reality, it's
so much murkier than that. What it sounds like is
that most people thought it was a lover's quarrel. They
look out the window, but she's but she yells, oh
my god, he stabbed me.

Speaker 3 (52:44):
Help me.

Speaker 1 (52:45):
But most people didn't hear her cry out. In the beginning.
Most people thought it was a bar brawl or a
lover's quarrel. And by the time a lot of people
looked out, he was running away. And so she walks
around the corner, stumbling to her apartment and so people
see her go around the corner and that's all they saw.

(53:06):
And in reality people did call, oh the police, but
back then you just called, you didn't call. There was
no nine one one, And this is part of the
reason there is a nine one one now is because
they needed they You know, you can't just call the
police precinct and get people there. Okay, the earliest calls

(53:29):
to the police are unclear and weren't given a high
priority by them, and it looks like some of them
might not have even been logged. One witness at his
father called the police after the initial tack and reported
that a woman was beat up but got up and
was staggering around, so no one knew she was actually
being stabbed. So he fucking runs away when someone yells

(53:51):
out the window, let that girl alone. That's like you
hear him in the documentary, and he's like, this salty
old man, amazing, let that girl alone. He runs away,
she staggers off. He Mosley leaves, comes back when he
realizes that no cops are coming, and finds her again,

(54:12):
which is the most fucking terrifying part of this whole story.
So you can't if someone had come out to see
how she was, and there was a doorman in the
apartment building right across the street. If someone had come out,
you know, maybe they could have helped her, brought her
into their house. Instead, she goes into the doorway of

(54:34):
her apartment building, which has one it's got one outside
door and then a locked inside door, and she's dying
and so she can't get her keys or unlock that door.
He fucking comes back and finds her in the stairwell,
just like a fucking deer that had been you know,
and what, and stabs her more, stabs her more. They

(54:55):
don't mention. I haven't finished the documentary yet, and they
don't mention this. And maybe it's just because he can't
fucking handle it, which is fair. But I read that
he raped her after he stopped, after well she was dying,
he raped her. I don't know if they're going to
mention it in the documentary. I'm sure they will because
it's a huge part of it. But I heard that

(55:16):
in the documentary says that he attempted to, So I wonder,
and the brother it's so interesting because he's like, I've
never been able to deal with I haven't known the
details of this until recently because I just couldn't handle it,
and it seems like it was a really tight knit family.

Speaker 3 (55:29):
Yeah, that's so understandable.

Speaker 2 (55:30):
I don't know how people now deal with that when
they find out the details of horrible things happened to
their their like those nextative kin, I mean, it's awful.

Speaker 1 (55:40):
I mean they didn't I guess the family didn't even
go to the trial because they just couldn't even handle it,
I bet you know, which is like, do you what's
great about this documentary is it feels like this guy
is kind of like the more I know, the closer
I'll be to her, and I need to find out
what happened and know the truth because this is the
truth of that crime now, is what everyone wrote about

(56:03):
it and when people talk about it in sociology classes
and shit, which is turning out not to be true.
So you know, the New York Times article said that
it was thirty eight people witnessed it and didn't know
but so but the upstairs neighbor looked out into the stairwell,
sees her being stabbed, closes the door and calls his girlfriend,

(56:23):
who said don't get involved, but then later calls the police.

Speaker 3 (56:27):
So like, dude, you should feel like shit, right, Yeah,
it's like but also it's New York City.

Speaker 2 (56:33):
I Like, it's that thing where, yeah, you don't what
are you going to go out there?

Speaker 3 (56:37):
And who knows?

Speaker 1 (56:38):
What's actually totally is it just the lover's quarrel? Do
you really want to get involved? It's like, yeah, not
that I wouldn't get involved in the in the not
that the woman deserves it because it's a lever'squirrel, but but.

Speaker 3 (56:49):
It makes sense in that city setting.

Speaker 2 (56:51):
Yeah, like anything can happen and you just don't know, Yeah, right,
put your life at risk for a stranger who could
turn around and be like, get the fuck totally.

Speaker 1 (57:00):
Well, here's a really interesting One of the parts of
the documentary that I loved is he's interviewing the kid
and the family never knew that their next door neighbor,
who was Kitty's best like one of her good friends,
when as soon as she found out what happened, put
on her house coat, ran out and held Kitty and

(57:21):
how she until the ambulance came. And the brother in
the documentary was like, I wish why didn't my family
know that? It would have meant so much test to
know that her friend was there while she died. And
so the son is being interviewed her the friend's son,
and is like, here's the thing about this neighborhood. A
lot of people were Holocaust survivors, and a lot of

(57:42):
people in that building were Holocaust survivors. And don't you
don't intervene, You don't stick your nose, You don't, you know,
get involved in what might happen with in cops, in
police interrogations. You just fucking leave it alone, which is
such a sad thing that you would never think about.

Speaker 2 (57:59):
Right, you know, Well, those are people that are like,
I've had plenty of trouble. I'm not doing it anymore, right,
you mind her fucking business. Yes, yeah, it's it's gross,
but it's hard to it hard to argue. So Mosley
gets gets caught a couple days later when he's burglarizing
a house. He had no prior criminal record, and he

(58:21):
was married with three children, and he got up the
night of out of bed where his wife was sleeping
to go.

Speaker 3 (58:27):
Find a woman to kill.

Speaker 2 (58:28):
What.

Speaker 1 (58:28):
Yeah, but he had actually killed two other women and
he had never been caught, And he did a bunch
of burglaries as well.

Speaker 3 (58:36):
Oh so he is like a burgeoning serial killer. Totally absolutely.

Speaker 1 (58:41):
Let's see, he confessed to thirty to forty burglaries. It's
a psychiatric examination suggested he was a necrophile.

Speaker 3 (58:51):
Fuck and then he said something. He said that.

Speaker 1 (58:57):
He his motive was simply he wanted to kill a woman.
That was his motive. Yeah, it's pretty sick.

Speaker 2 (59:05):
So I have to say, I've seen the picture of
that guy. He has very plucked eyebrows.

Speaker 1 (59:10):
He looks a lot like Prince and Richard Little had
a baby, Richard Little and not Richard Little Little Richard Richard.

Speaker 3 (59:22):
Where am I?

Speaker 2 (59:23):
No, uh no, he does. That's exactly right. He looks
like a drag queen at the end of her ship,
totally like washed it all off, is ready to just
you know, high cheekbones, high cheekbones, very plucked eyebrows, or
something like a cat like face.

Speaker 1 (59:41):
Yes, oh god, we are picturing saying that face standing
above me stabbing me, because what is the deal? What
is the deal? So all right, he confesses let's see,
he's a fucking necro so in this seventies. Okay, so

(01:00:03):
while in prison in the seventies, he gets a Bachelor
of arts in sociology. Oh good insane? Oh good, Like
you're not using that for good dude, you're using that
to understand your yes, how you can take advantage of people.

Speaker 2 (01:00:17):
That is Ted Bundy action right. Ted Bundy was a
psychology major a bit yep, and they know that's man.

Speaker 1 (01:00:25):
And then during his he's eligible for parole in eighty four,
which is like what the fuck? And it is first
parole hearing, he told the paral board that the notoriety
he faced duos crimes made him a victim, stating, yes,
he's the victim.

Speaker 3 (01:00:40):
Yeah, sure, or a victim.

Speaker 1 (01:00:41):
Outside it's a one time or one hour or one
minute affair, but for the person who's caught, it's forever.
Yeah much sadder, Yeah, much sadder. Oh you get a
minute of murder and I have to live the rest
of my life in jail.

Speaker 2 (01:00:55):
Well, you know what, how about you put your super
sociological mind to that and say, then maybe don't stab
people and you won't be so deeply victimized by your
fucking shitty behavior.

Speaker 1 (01:01:06):
You're correct, and that's why you don't fucking not That's
not the only reason, but that's one of the reasons
you don't murder.

Speaker 2 (01:01:11):
Well, that's this is the brock Turner thing of like this,
this drunken girl is ruining my whole future. It's like, no, rapist,
Yeah you ruined your future. Yeah you did it, dummy
like they it's they, it's that, it's very psychopathic. It's
like you skip over the thing you did that made
things happen.

Speaker 3 (01:01:30):
Have you known people like that where you're like, how
do you not see your role in this thing?

Speaker 2 (01:01:34):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (01:01:35):
Yeah, I asked that because I'm stopped.

Speaker 2 (01:01:38):
I have stopped participate with painting with people like that
for that a very reason. If you cannot admit your
own faults in your life, that the behavior that you
bring to the table is the thing that affects and
you know, creates the situation around you. If it's always
other people, yeah, then you have a major problem.

Speaker 1 (01:02:01):
It's so weird to see those people and like, I mean,
it almost feels like the art an argument or the
blame thing is like a game to win. Yes, And
so as soon as they can get you to not
blame them and to take it all on you, which
I've fucking done many times with people, they win.

Speaker 3 (01:02:20):
You have to read the book The Sociopath Next door.

Speaker 2 (01:02:23):
Yeah, because I think in the I think the numbers
are it's one in four people are sociopaths, and those
people have no conscience. Everything is a power game to them.
All they want to do is beat you, and they
will beat you in terms of money, in terms of sex,
in terms of status. That's all they care about. And

(01:02:45):
they don't have empathy. So you're constantly left going I
would never do this. But it's like, yeah, that's right,
because this isn't This person is nothing like you.

Speaker 1 (01:02:54):
Are you scared You're gonna like if you read that,
you'll just like look for that and everyone I mean
guess he.

Speaker 2 (01:03:00):
Should look for it and everyone he should, because then
you know, when you're being mind fucked, you'll go, oh
my god, that's oh now I realize why. I'm so like,
you need to know that information. Yeah, okay, you need
to be able to spot a sociopath. I think that
should be taught in high schools.

Speaker 1 (01:03:17):
I mean, I put it in a comic book so
Vince doesn't see me reading that and think I'm like
studying up on him.

Speaker 3 (01:03:22):
It's not, as I know, he's not.

Speaker 2 (01:03:27):
Oh, you just don't want him to see you paying
attention to it yeah, or like being like, why are
you reading that? Say I'm doing it for you, baby, Yeah,
this is for this is for the marriage.

Speaker 1 (01:03:36):
Would I say I'm a sociopath? I think our cats
are sociopaths.

Speaker 3 (01:03:42):
One in four.

Speaker 2 (01:03:43):
I mean, if we had one more person in this room,
it would be one of us.

Speaker 1 (01:03:47):
I'm thinking it's so easy to like put some of
that on people I know.

Speaker 2 (01:03:53):
Well, also because sometimes people just piss you off. So
it's like calling someone a sociopath is very satisfying, Like, well,
this makes sense. But I do know people who after
being friends with them for a while and then being
like I cannot be friends with you anymore, you are
like you're basically a vampire.

Speaker 3 (01:04:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:04:12):
Then when you when you pull away and then you
read this book, you go holy shit. Yeah. I mean
there's like a step by step thing where it's like,
is this a person who would never cop to anything?
Is this a person who only ever wanted to take
more for themselves.

Speaker 3 (01:04:26):
It's like it's a very clear kind of defining thing. Fuck, dude,
read it.

Speaker 1 (01:04:32):
I think I over I over accept responsibility for things
because I don't I'm trying so hard not to not
to let myself get away with shit.

Speaker 2 (01:04:42):
Yes, well part of it I do the exact same thing.
And for me, part of it is an ego problem
because I think the world revolves around me one hundred percent.
So I like the idea of people of like, oh
my god, this person's doing this and that like it
it adds to my ego mania of like I'm everybody's
thinking of me.

Speaker 3 (01:05:00):
All the time.

Speaker 1 (01:05:01):
There is a certain something about like even being like
I feel so bad about this thing.

Speaker 3 (01:05:04):
That happened, where it's like nobody, why are you making
it about you?

Speaker 2 (01:05:08):
Right?

Speaker 3 (01:05:08):
Not you specifically, but like it's better to let it go.

Speaker 2 (01:05:11):
Like the happier thing is to be like maybe I
had fifty percent of that, maybe I had.

Speaker 3 (01:05:15):
Zero percent of it. Yeah, like but look at it,
learn from it, move on and let it go. But
to sit around and be like, oh I was so
bad that time.

Speaker 2 (01:05:23):
It's like, yeah, yeah, you're just thinking of yourself and
I'm not thinking of other people.

Speaker 3 (01:05:28):
Yeah, I'm a sociopath? Are you?

Speaker 2 (01:05:30):
I'm Advidio right now, you're one in three, one and
three including Elvis.

Speaker 3 (01:05:35):
It's me, But what if it's me that it's not me? Well,
do you have a conscience? Yeah, then you're fine.

Speaker 1 (01:05:41):
I mean, what's a kind of what's a conscience? Now
I can call you guilt. I mean, yeah, we got
that covered. Yeah, Steven guilty.

Speaker 3 (01:05:52):
Do you feel it? I feel guilty all the time.

Speaker 2 (01:05:54):
You take it.

Speaker 1 (01:05:55):
That's all good, and we just need that the next
person who walks to the store, which will probably be
event it's.

Speaker 3 (01:05:59):
Path play a game. Your neighbor knocks on the door.

Speaker 1 (01:06:02):
Excuse my mom just drops in and I'm like, yeah,
no shit, Hi, welcome. Hi.

Speaker 3 (01:06:09):
My therapist was right about you.

Speaker 2 (01:06:10):
Could you answer some questions for me as I let
me just pull this book out of my back pocket.

Speaker 1 (01:06:15):
Oh mom, okay, what did I want to what was
my let's see here Holocaust survivors. Yeah, none of the
witnesses observed the attacks, and their entirety because of the
layout of the complex was weird.

Speaker 3 (01:06:29):
It seems like she was attacked in two different places.

Speaker 1 (01:06:31):
Yeah, and they and as far as they knew, he
ran away and she walked away and they couldn't see
her anymore, and she was staggering. I mean, how do
you she only got stabbed twice, so how do you
know you couldn't even see that she was stabbed at
the time you run to the window.

Speaker 2 (01:06:45):
See, I remember that story from psychology Claus that she
got stabbed like thirty five times.

Speaker 1 (01:06:49):
She got stabbed a lot more once he came back.
Oh oh okay, so that was Oh the initial.

Speaker 3 (01:06:54):
Missable part was two stabbed.

Speaker 1 (01:06:57):
Right, the initial like when everyone saw it was too
and then he had a private moment, you know, private
doorway in the doorway, so no one actually saw that.

Speaker 2 (01:07:06):
That's so terrible, that's so nightmarish. There's a crime to
remember about Kitty Genevieve.

Speaker 3 (01:07:12):
Yeah, and I just was like, okay, I didn't even
watch it. You didn't know. I'm sure I watch it
because I watched every episode of that show.

Speaker 1 (01:07:20):
It's there's also a girls episode where they like talk
about it, oh really, like one of the guys is
in a play where they reenact the whole thing. But
of course there's a lot of girls drama going on,
so they don't really talk about it.

Speaker 3 (01:07:33):
But I love that show. I'm not making fun of it.
Let's see.

Speaker 1 (01:07:37):
So it became known as the Bystandard effect or the
Genevieve Genevi's syndrome. But people are now questioning what really
fucking happened, So Okay, so everyone go to YouTube and
you can watch the trailer. It's called The Witness And
if you go to the Witness dashfilm dot com. It's

(01:07:58):
in the theaters right now if you have arthouse either
in your town, and it's it's going to beat a
lot of small towns, so it's not like random and
hopefully it'll be on Hulu or something at some point. Yeah,
and then do It's unlikely that she was able to
scream at any point after she got stabbed the first

(01:08:19):
time anyways, because they stabbed her, because they stabbed her
in the lungs. Yeah, they punctured her. He punctured they
he punctured her lung So after that second stabbing, she
probably wasn't screaming anyways. So it's not like a bunch
of people ignored that as well.

Speaker 2 (01:08:38):
This whole murder is like worst case scenario, fucking fucking worse,
like she would have died from the initial attack.

Speaker 1 (01:08:45):
It sounds like because he punctured a lung and she
died from exphexiation. But and so if the cops had
been called and at that point they took her to
the hospital and she died, it wouldn't have been the
same thing as if he fucking ran away and came
back and was like nobody cares.

Speaker 3 (01:09:04):
Yeah, I can continue this. Yeah that's so awful to
think about. Yeah it's dark.

Speaker 1 (01:09:12):
Yeah, but the universal emergency phone number was created after this,
and yeah today it's used all the time. But so yeah,
The Witness is the movie. It's by James Solomon and
it's a really fad like just watch that. I feel
like anyone who listens to this podcast will watch this

(01:09:34):
trailer and definitely want to see it.

Speaker 3 (01:09:35):
Yeah, it's really good and it's such a classic case.

Speaker 2 (01:09:38):
I feel like even if you were you've never been
interested in true crime. Yeah you've heard the Kitty Genevie's story.

Speaker 3 (01:09:44):
Yeah, it's like it's like prerequisiting college and stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:09:47):
But I guess it's it's an interesting thing to be like, yeah,
you know this thing that you've heard about your whole life,
it's not the way you heard it.

Speaker 1 (01:09:53):
That's what I love about it. So I hope it's
not boring that I did this this case, but I
just thought it was the stuff that you'd never you
never knew about it, and I really was. It's one
of those cases where I was like, h I've heard
that a million times. I know about it, you fucking
totally don't. And then to see it from the brother's
point of view, but also is like kind of a
badass dude himself. Yeah, but it happened in the Bronx

(01:10:16):
and Queen Queens.

Speaker 3 (01:10:17):
Queens. Yeah, people from Queens are kind of the greatest.
Oh yeah, the boy.

Speaker 1 (01:10:22):
You listen to it just for the interviews he does
with the people who live around there. The accents are incredible.
There's a lot of there's like a beautiful illustrated element
of it that they use is like interstitials or to
help to show what was actually going on with this
gorgeous illustration.

Speaker 3 (01:10:38):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (01:10:39):
Yeah, very simple line drawings, but it's super beautiful.

Speaker 2 (01:10:43):
I haven't seen this movie, but I also recommend the
Crime to Remember episode about her kidding Jeavi's because they
put out some other alternate theories that they're very interesting.

Speaker 1 (01:10:53):
It wasn'tone like the downstairs neighbor might have done it.

Speaker 2 (01:10:56):
Yeah they don't. They didn't seem convinced he did it,
but I did. None of that information of that he'd
already killed to other women was in there. They focused
a lot on how racist the MYPD was right then,
and so that they basically would grab up black men
and just be like.

Speaker 3 (01:11:13):
Were you in the neighborhood, it's you. It sounds like
way different than it is today. Oh so so different.

Speaker 2 (01:11:21):
I would just like to say, because I saw a
documentary Easiers done.

Speaker 3 (01:11:25):
Sure, yeah, no, totally okay, no, it totally is. I
just saw this.

Speaker 2 (01:11:30):
I'm going to bring yours to an end so I
can recommend my documentary that isn't true crime, but well
it is because it's crime. It's called Tickled, and it
is unbelievably amazing because it starts out there about this
online tickling competition, tickling league, professional tickling league. I think

(01:11:54):
it's called I already need a shower. Yes, except for
it's not what you think. It's not somewhere like can
you believe these people exist? It goes into the craziest, darkest,
scariest fucking thing. And it's this one New Zealand reporter
who went looking into it because he's basically a human
interest reporter for the local news and he immediately started

(01:12:17):
getting threatened, and so instead of being like, whoop's better
close this up, he starts investigating it. And it's amazing
and interestingly enough, and not to talk about them all
the time. But our friends the Doallop who did a
very very popular episode about these tickling competitions very early on,

(01:12:38):
like this guy did this. New Zealand reporter did the story.
They Dave and Gareth got sent the story I think
by people in Australia or New Zealand saying you guys
have to talk about this, it's crazy, and so then
they did that episode of the Dallop was super popular
and it's actually featured in the documentary Shit. Yes, they

(01:12:59):
have audio clips of the doll Up talking about this
We've made it, and it's the very beginning of the
movie and then it goes into like he's like he
basically is like, yeah, I thought this was this kooky,
crazy thing, and then I started researching it and it
is edge of your seat. It was one of those
things we saw at the Sunset Sundance whatever theater and

(01:13:19):
there was only like ten fifteen people in the theater
and a bunch of us were all sitting in one row,
which was kind of funny, like basically there was like
nine people in one row and then like four people
outside of our row. But by the end we were
all talking to each other. It was one of those
like so upsetting and like, oh my god, what's happening?

Speaker 3 (01:13:37):
Which was on I want to watch it? No, just
a movie.

Speaker 2 (01:13:40):
It's a documentary movie that's in like art house theaters
right now, like The Witnesses.

Speaker 1 (01:13:44):
Man, we gotta have a double feature. Yes, I wonder
if we could host a double feature. We should email
this guy. I feel like we want to do this another.

Speaker 4 (01:13:53):
Everything that comes up that an idea. Man, I love
it is that it's the best. It's You're You're the reason.
You're the reason it's all happening.

Speaker 1 (01:14:03):
I always think of myself as such a lazy person,
and I like constantly be writing myself for being lazy,
and then like sometimes I'll have to write a list
of things I'm doing to just be like, just look
at this, Georgia.

Speaker 3 (01:14:13):
Everything is okay. Yeah, No, you're doing a lot of stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:14:15):
I liked when we were watching The Simpsons and we
were on the same episode and then you were like,
we've got to watch episode five together and live tweet it,
and I was like, you might want to watch the
other episodes before you decide you should live tweet this.

Speaker 3 (01:14:32):
It's kind of a bummer. I know, it's like we
can what do we do this? What do we do that?
We can do this?

Speaker 1 (01:14:36):
So we do that, and like sometimes, like when you
just got here, you were like you kind of had
a talk, like we had a conversation about something regarding
the podcast and you kind of had to like talk
me down from it.

Speaker 3 (01:14:45):
Yeah, I want to breathe.

Speaker 2 (01:14:47):
I get it, though, Yeah, you get I can tell
when you're excited or like there's a lot going on
because you're it. It almost looks like you're slowly drowning
and you're trying to tell me something before you go under.

Speaker 1 (01:14:58):
I can hand of what it's like. Take a deep breath.
Happened my entire life. Yeah, Like I have to yawn.
I yawn a lot because I have to catch my breath,
and so I get so worked up. That's funny that
you've noticed it.

Speaker 2 (01:15:08):
You have to think about breathing more, Yeah, because that's
what yawning is about.

Speaker 3 (01:15:12):
Yawning is about low oxygen levels.

Speaker 2 (01:15:14):
Yeah, and you have to, like your body goes take this,
take as much oxygen and as you can.

Speaker 1 (01:15:18):
It's so like I've gotten up in the middle of
the night and like wrote a blog post about how
it like it's you really feel like.

Speaker 3 (01:15:25):
You're drowning and you can't breathe.

Speaker 1 (01:15:26):
Yeah, and it's just anxiety and then that perpetuates itself
and you just still can't breathe. And anyways, yeah, uh.

Speaker 2 (01:15:35):
So, a lot of great ideas, guys, a lot of
great Oh. There was someone that made my favorite piece
of art that got made on the that got posted
on the Facebook page last week is someone did a
freehand drawing that was a picture of the forest that
said get a job, make buy your own shit, stay
out of the forest, but with these banners or did

(01:15:58):
you see that? Yeah, it's so beautifully done. And it
was someone who said their friend did it, but they're not.
They don't want to be on the.

Speaker 3 (01:16:05):
Phone, right, come on.

Speaker 1 (01:16:08):
I got an email from a girl that I know
today who was like, oh, I just started a new job,
and I overheard my coworkers saying, oh my god, I'm
obsessed with this new podcast and they were like me too,
and they were like, what's it called my Favorite Murder?
And my friend Kelsey was like, I was trying. I
wanted to tell them so bad and bragg that I
knew you, but it's a new job, and I was like,
tell them we look.

Speaker 3 (01:16:27):
At a race. She's like, I'm going to hold it
for four more days. Yeah, and then drop the bomb
and be like guess what, Yes, I love it.

Speaker 2 (01:16:33):
It makes me happy that a lot of people say
they feel like we're best friends, totally not.

Speaker 3 (01:16:39):
With each other best There it is and that's it.
We're done, stay sexy, no are we? Okay, go and
do it again. I don't get murdered as want to
cookie cookie Rah.

Speaker 1 (01:17:01):
That's a yet by