25 - Twenty Knives

New favorite TV show talk followed by the Christopher Dorner killing spree and the tragic Cheshire Murders. Plus Georgia is bested by a hometown murder.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:18):
Did it start? Hi? Caris Georgia high? How are you
pretty good? And yourself? Thank you good? Now we've never
met before, is that correct? One person? This whole podcast
has been over the phone, right, yep. But now you
and I are legally married, so you can enter the country.

Speaker 2 (00:41):
I'm so excited to not have to be Canadian anymore.
It's such a disgusting place.

Speaker 1 (00:46):
Kidding, but we have to, like, we have to fake
our green card marriage to the authorities too. That's right,
So you're gonna have to know a lot about me.
Who is my third grade teacher? You like? What did
you say? Who's my third grade teacher?

Speaker 2 (01:00):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (01:00):
Missus Bacon? Yes, sorry, go ahead, No, let's do more
green card testing. I like it. That's a really funny thing.

Speaker 2 (01:11):
It's like, if you're not a true friend unless you
memorize someone else's green card information so that you could
pass a green card test, would you.

Speaker 1 (01:19):
Green card marry someone? It depends on the situation. Yeah.
I feel like if you're like, you're cool, I feel
like that's I did that already and you didn't even
get anything out of it. You got some nice china.

Speaker 2 (01:36):
I really think that china has gone untouched and can
be negotiated for comes in the hatch a full set
of gorgeous, totally untouched yet probably slightly cursed, cursing China.
I think this time around, I'm going to go for
actually someone that I like and like who likes me back.

Speaker 1 (01:55):
Yeah, I think it'll be better. I don't even think
lob needs to factor into it.

Speaker 2 (02:00):
I think I could over just high school crush style
enjoyment of another person.

Speaker 1 (02:04):
Yeah, just like the like this is the month stoked
to be around. Like, I don't have to love them,
you's just be stoked to be around them. I mean,
what's the difference. That's a good point, valid. I mean
it's that all works out in the end, right, you
just kind of end up with somebody, Yeah, that's out. Yeah,

(02:25):
and try to remain stoked. Yeah, and try to try
to be your best stokable person for them.

Speaker 2 (02:35):
Make sure you increase your stokeability. Yeah, so you're not
like resisting it. Don't even increase it.

Speaker 1 (02:39):
Just like make sure your stoakability is like on an
even plane at all times, not at all times, because
you can. Today I fucking lost my shit and cried
and was like, probably not the stokiest person in the world. Yeah,
I know who would want that all the time to
be around? Yeah? Plus, I like so cute when I cry.
You really looks great When you answered the door all mad,
my eyes get bright green. Yeah, so do mine. Yeah,

(03:02):
I look like.

Speaker 2 (03:04):
That one alien lady from Star Trek when I cry
where it's like legitimate, it legitimately scares people because my
eyes turn red in one instant. Yeah, and it's I
kind of look like fire Starter a little bit.

Speaker 1 (03:17):
Also, you like fires because you just get so angry.
Can I tell you who I'm stoked on right now? Please?

Speaker 2 (03:24):
This is going to go into I'm not sure if
this is a celebrity center or our news segment called recommendations.
Wait do we call do we call that anything before
when we talked about TV shows, we.

Speaker 1 (03:37):
Like, no, let's just call it check this ship. Check
this ship been air boum uh.

Speaker 2 (03:43):
The new HBO series The Night of Oh is so good,
so good, and I am so intensely in love with
riz Ahmed, the lead guy.

Speaker 1 (03:54):
How is he so cute?

Speaker 2 (03:55):
It's because his eyes are unnaturally large and he uses
them against you. Yes, like he is a trickster, like,
but he looks so innocent in This and Sweet, and like,
what was he in before this?

Speaker 1 (04:09):
Sad?

Speaker 2 (04:09):
He was in Nightcrawler, he was assistant in Nightcrawler, and
he's been in He's been in a bunch of stuff.
He was like in the Centurion movie with Michael Fastbender.

Speaker 1 (04:23):
Like shit, you're just like, oh, yeah, that guy was
in that. Well, yes, he was.

Speaker 2 (04:27):
Often plays a Middle Eastern person, so it's that because
he's Pakistani, right, and so like he was in the
Reluctant Fundamentalist. I believe it was called with Ray Donovan.
You know it's and he's British. That's the most amazing
see British.

Speaker 1 (04:44):
Stop it. So it's it's one episode and that was
like in the and it was like a pre pre
showing of it. Yeah, sneak previews. We don't even get
the second episode. And what's this tonight? Someone told me
it was tonight. Someone told me that they're showing the
actual first episode tonight, so only the one we've already seen.
It was just stupid, So maybe not, I'll watch it. Fuck,
it's so good. It's about a play. It's like a play.

(05:07):
It's about a dude who basically finds let's say he
finds a body, let's just say and why explain it
and go watch it? Yeah, because because once you get
into it.

Speaker 2 (05:21):
See, like when I saw the previews, I thought I
knew what it was, right, and then once I watched it,
I was like, oh, this reminds me of the way
the wire felts.

Speaker 1 (05:29):
It's who done it? Yeah? And John it's like a
who done it? With John Taturo? What more do you
fucking need in your life?

Speaker 2 (05:34):
But also all those actors, like that guy that played
the one cop with the mustache at the station is
from Angels in America. Like there's all these.

Speaker 1 (05:43):
Broadway and like very high level but not like super
commercially known actors in there, so it all feels really real.
I like that. So the main cop, really it's the
procedural shit is interesting because the way they talk him
into getting a DNA sample from him and then casually say,
we also need to swab your dick, bro. Yeah, it

(06:05):
was like it seemed so realistic. It's horrifying. It's just horrifying. Yeah,
And then like why do you need a lawyer? Casualty
of it all? Let's not give too much away, all right,
get into it. It's you. You'll thank us, get into it,
come back to us, let us know what you think.

Speaker 2 (06:23):
Also, keep your eye apel for Rizamed, who will be
one of the stars of the next Star Wars movie.
He's just an up and comer. He's he's a fresh
young face that will be mine, says Karen kill Garrett.
Then that's Karen kil Garreff's take. That's like, that's like
the like the movie review on Like Entertainment Tonight. And

(06:46):
that's Karen Kilgarriff's take.

Speaker 1 (06:51):
Yeah, that parts. Didn't you have a recommendation? I think
that was it? Wait, we had the same one. No, yes,
but we were also talking about Bloodline and how you
said it. What were you thinking about Florida. I can't.

Speaker 2 (07:05):
I couldn't watch it for I tried to, like binge
watch it, but I started getting high on Florida where
I was feeling dizzy. It was all those like beautiful,
slightly out of focused shots of the beach and like
when all the Christmas lights go, it looks like the
beginning of the focus features title card.

Speaker 1 (07:21):
That's what that whole TV show's like.

Speaker 3 (07:23):
It's also like.

Speaker 1 (07:26):
It's like it's like one hundred and two plus all
the humidity. Yes, you know, and then what's her name?
The sister Linda Cardolini? Thank you? Like I need to
know that. Yeah, I'm a fan. Like her outfits for
a lawyer are fuck are you fucking kidding me? Like
you mean, like her very skimpy sun dress and all
she wears these scampy fuck shorts and these like platform

(07:52):
like Payless And I'm not talking shit on Payloss because
I fucking wear the shit out of Paliss shoes. But
you can't go into a court of law out dressed
like that. You'd be held in contempt. Girl, that's Florida. Yeah,
it's a lot, it's and her hair is always so perfect.
I know, I'm lady shaming right now. Well, it's a
TV show, and Kevin is just the most realistic character

(08:13):
in all in the Hall show the book? Is that
the up brother? What's the brother?

Speaker 3 (08:17):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (08:18):
All right, Yeah, we had one of those in my family. Like,
no matter what happened when they were.

Speaker 2 (08:24):
Coming back into town, it was like, everybody get ready.

Speaker 1 (08:27):
That's why I'm scared to have kids, Like what if
you have the fuck up kid? Yeah? Oh, speaking of which,
it's not one in four every four people's and sociopath
let's do this is corrections corner, corrections corner. I was
about to say, you don't wanted four chance.

Speaker 2 (08:42):
I was about to repeat my same incorrect information. That's
what I'm Okay, you guys correct me. And someone I
believe off of memory was named Clint Page on the
Facebook paint who said, I don't want to be a
corrected person, but it is not one and four. And
then I'll these other people were like it is. I
think they were say twenty five percent.

Speaker 1 (09:04):
Right, it's like one. It's like, hey, so next week,
look for next week's correction corner where we correct horsing
right now. So there's some they're also so there. So
one there's one in four people are not psychopaths. It's
like one in It's not a percent. I don't know.
It's not one in four. It is not one of four.

(09:26):
That's way too hot. That's way too low. That's way
too many, too many. Also, we got a really beautiful
email just letting us know. So last week I did
Kitty gene v c as my favorite murder, and I'll
say Kidney Jenevie's Kidney Jenevie no, because that was sad,
because I think she got a stab in the kidney.
So Karen, that's really I didn't insensitive. I misshard that

(09:49):
she might have. It's probable that she was a lesbian. Yeah.
They talk about that in the Crime to Remember episode, right,
and it's not you know this really the scroll the
scroll wrote a really beautiful em out to us about
how it's like she's not trying to correct us and
it you know, it's not, it's just a part of
it that's like not fair that she didn't get it
to be represented. And as how she was and the
girl who had to pretend to be her roommate, you know,

(10:11):
actually had a huge loss of her partner. Yeah, and
how sad that was. And you know, now we're in
a time when we can we can say that she
was a lesbian and not it not be like somehow
taint the tragedy of what happened.

Speaker 2 (10:24):
Well, in that episode of Crime to Remember, they talk
about their their gay relationship as being also why people
weren't calling the cops because they said there were other
gay people in that building that knew, like, you don't
involve the cops no matter what whoa That was part
of the element. But when you were talking about it
because it was from the brother's perspective.

Speaker 1 (10:45):
Yeah, I wasn't going to.

Speaker 2 (10:46):
Be like well and also this because it's like if
it wasn't in the movie or if he didn't talk
about it, maybe they didn't.

Speaker 1 (10:51):
Well here's the thing. I didn't finish it because my
fucking computer wouldn't upload it. So that could be the
whole second part of the goddamn shore. Oh okay, shaw okay.
That's yeah.

Speaker 2 (11:00):
Well, if everybody gets I mean, that's awesome that somebody
wrote in If you had a chance to be a
crime to remember episode about it is really good too.

Speaker 1 (11:08):
We always closed what they were the ones that thought
that that guy did not do it that got caught right,
there was a neighbor. Yeah, we always close correction corner,
which we've never done before with saying if you're getting
your facts from here, like, look, look somewhere else, bro
right we are.

Speaker 2 (11:26):
We like to discuss concepts more than fast and fantasies.

Speaker 1 (11:31):
Also, yes, more than fact. Like there's a reason that
this podcast has categorized as comedy, and yeah, very a
pretty good reason. Yeah, it's not we're fucking hilarious. It's
not fact based. We do our best, but there's so
much talking that it's very easy to do. I guess
what I did? What guesse? Why I didn't a fit

(11:52):
of fucking manic episode last night? What sorted an Instagram account? Oh? Nice,
I saw you tweet that, right, Yeah, my favorite murder
Instagram account. And what are you putting on there? All
our arts? I think? Yeah, all the arts and crafts
and all the like. I just love all the like
the inspirational quotes of every episode that are made by

(12:14):
Chez Amanda. She does an incredible job of just like
finding the stupidest quotes we put in, like making them
into like these like right trusters inspirational looking posters. But
it's things like I hope we don't get stabbed, right
to don't lunatic. It's very good. So there's a lot
of art that people are making that I'm posting.

Speaker 2 (12:35):
And wait, are you talking about the memes? Are you
talking about that girl that does like hand lettering both?

Speaker 1 (12:41):
Oh? Okay, I put them both up, got it? So
I'm just gonna post. I'm gonna post things and stuff
related to the podcast. That's good.

Speaker 2 (12:48):
We can also do pictures like remember that time that
I did that there was that terrible man. Oh he
was one of the He was in this story about
the babysitter killer, and he had the craziest, scariest looking
mugshot of all time.

Speaker 1 (13:02):
Go to Instagram to see his photo. Yeah, I think
your first s okay, right right as you got perfectly
com so uncomfortable just now. I waited till you justted
that pillow. All right. So I didn't know that I
have I have a hometown murder, but it took place

(13:26):
fifteen years after I moved away from my hometown. So
is it technically my hometown? Yeah, if that's where you're from.
So we got this really great email from this dude
who was like, I've heard you mentioned you're from Irvine
and that you worked in the Woodbridge Village Center at
this place where I could have been killed. And we'ren't like,

(13:46):
I just won't even know where were we dooing it.
And if you come and like visit it, I'll take
you to the parking garage where Christopher Dorner's killing spree started.
WHOA And I was and he's like, which, I'm sure
you know about And I was like, wait, what do
you know about this? I know about Christopher? Yeah, so
I do too. But and this happened in twenty thirteen,

(14:07):
which is like not that long ago, which seems like
it seems like so much long ago. And I didn't
realize it start in Irvine. I didn't either. Yeah, So
in February twenty thirteen, Christopher Dorner, who was thirty three,
started his killing spree that lasted I think two days,

(14:28):
A couple of days, two days, like a week. What
is life? So he grew up in southern California. He
was a former United States Navy Reserve officer. He was
deployed to Baharan. He was discharged from the Navy in
twenty thirteen. I think it's Bahrain, Bahrain. I just that's

(14:49):
a guest, though I could also be wrong. As I
was saying it, I was like, I'm not going to
be like a Fox News correspondent who says everything wrong,
and so I like said it wrong. Sorry, no, don't
sorry me? Sorry, Okay. So, after his tour in Iraq,
it's Iraq? Right? Where is it Iraq? I pulled that

(15:13):
a out way longer a rack a rac Araq. He
goes to Los Angeles. He goes back to the police
department twenty seven in two thousand and seven, he's paired
with a training officer named Teresa Evans to complete his
probationary training. In two thousand and eight, he files a

(15:33):
report against her, oh, that she used excessive force in
her treatment of a suspect who was a schizophrenic with
severe dementia. And he says that Evans twice kicked this
suspect in the face while he was handcuffed and lying
on the ground. Uh no, that's by my fucking psychotic child, neighbor.

(15:59):
Do you hear that? Out of his mind? Screams all
the time and laughing loud. Laughing from a child is upsetting.
I think he's crazy, Like I feel bad for them.
I think, yeah, he sounds pretty insane. So so after
he files this report, Dorner gets fired from the LAPD
in two thousand and eight from making false statements. Oh

(16:19):
they were like, you're fucking lying basically. And his attorney
at the hearing is Randall Kwan Qua n And he's
like defending Dorner, saying that he was he was treated
unfairly and he's being made a scapegoat basically, you know,
saying the police department didn't want to admit that she
used excessive force, so they fired him instead.

Speaker 2 (16:41):
Wow, because you're not Basically you're not allowed to rat
out your fellow officer.

Speaker 1 (16:46):
That's what it seems like, Dorner assumed. So he tries
to get his drawback with the LAPD's Board of Rights
rejected his appeal. He took his case to court with
Randall Kwan as his attorney, and judge ruled against it
in October twenty eleven. So Dorner's like basically snaps at

(17:06):
this point. So the murders start weirdly enough, with the
murder of this Randall Kwan's daughter and her fiance in
Irvine in a parking structure which I was just looking
up and I'm pretty sure it's where my dad's apartment was. No, Yeah,

(17:27):
which is a cross they lived in the same place. Yeah,
I think so. So I think it happened across the
street from where I grew up. Wow, where my dad lived,
because I don't even know. So February third, twenty thirteen,
he just fucking goes up to them they're in their
car in a parking garage and shoots them. And like,

(17:49):
remember that coming out in the news and it and
finding out who the father was and being like, oh shit,
this is like you could tell it was a revenge
killing immediately, and it's just such a fucking huge bummer
that this girl and her twenty seven year old fiance
name Keith Lawrence just got shot to death because this

(18:13):
guy went crazy. So immediately you have no sympathy for
this dude.

Speaker 2 (18:16):
So this is his public defender that he basically or
maybe not public defender, but this is his lawyer for
that case, yeah, who They lost the case and he
didn't get his job back, and so he went and
killed hit that lawyer's daughter and fiance.

Speaker 1 (18:30):
And he had this crazy manifesto basically saying, basically saying
that he didn't fight hard enough. He says, your lack
of ethics and conspiring to wrong a just individual are over.
Suppressing the truth will leave the deadly consequences for you
and your family. There will be an element of surprise
where you work, live, eat and sleep. Look your wives,

(18:55):
slash husbands, and surviving children directly in the face and
tell them the truth as to why your children are
dead because you killed them just I mean, and the
don't kill the judge, not the fucking lawyer's family. I'm sorry, right,
someone's gonna we don't have to pick. Okay, you're right,
you know what, don't kill anyone a all right, right,

(19:22):
oh gonna get hate, send your send messages.

Speaker 2 (19:25):
Look to solve the problem, which would be don't kill
the family, right, yes, right.

Speaker 1 (19:30):
So Monica Kwan and Keith Lawrence fucking shot to death.
So he has this crazy manifesto. He wants to seek revenge,
and he just like writes this insane I will bring unconventional,
unconventional and asymmetrical warfare to those in the LAPD uniform,

(19:50):
whether on or off duty, like this motherfucker is like
he's on one. He's targeting a large group of people
rather than you individuals, which is terrifying. He says he
was terminated after we reported excess force, and his and
his attacks are retribution for his termination, as well as

(20:12):
cultural racism and violence that continues within the department. So
will search. So suddenly this huge man hunt is on
for dinner. Police shoot too. So police suddenly just start
shooting people because they're freaking the fuck out. So there's
a truck that that the cops thought was his truck.

(20:32):
They shot the ship out of it.

Speaker 2 (20:34):
Yeah, that's those were the two women delivering the newspaper. Yeah,
and they just started shooting a truck.

Speaker 1 (20:39):
Yeah, and if there's photos online of like how many
fucking shots are in this truck. They also added another
pickup truck matching this description of like a dude who
was like on his way to go surfing in fucking
Orange count or like, and they shot it up. They
shot the ship out of this truck. Both everyone lived,
but they also sued the ship out of Yeah. Yeah,

(21:00):
But at the same time, I'm pissed about that, but
I'm also like how terrifying. I mean, which is which
is better?

Speaker 2 (21:09):
Well, I mean this is the kind of the crux
of everything that's happening right now.

Speaker 1 (21:13):
It's like scarier. It is a high pressure job.

Speaker 2 (21:16):
It is a scary job, and it's the kind of
job where you have to be able to handle yourself
with a gun.

Speaker 1 (21:23):
Right, So if you think that.

Speaker 2 (21:26):
Basically you can't start shooting vehicles because you think your
suspect is inside, No, that's not the way you're allowed
to apprehend people.

Speaker 1 (21:35):
And the other thing, too, is like, as a police officer,
there's an amount of danger involved with your job that
you sign up for, so you approaching the vehicle and
iding the suspect and possibly getting killed by doing that
is what's supposed to happen, not the possibility of civilians
getting killed, right.

Speaker 2 (21:56):
Yes, And I mean and that's why there's procedures so
that when you approach that vehicle, you're calling in you
know what I mean? Like it's like, did they yell
put your hands outside of the vehicle? And those two
women they didn't get close enough to see it was
two women. They didn't get close enough to see that.
They didn't speak English. I don't know what the problem was.
I don't know the details about it, but like it

(22:16):
doesn't make sense that you.

Speaker 1 (22:17):
Just it was also a large j order was a
large black man and they shot up two women, and
like a white guy who was a surfer. Yeah, so
like clearly they weren't Yeah, they weren't doing enough research
into this blah blah blah. So they find his truck

(22:40):
abandoned and burning near Big Bear. And I remember this
at this point, I was like, fuck, thank god he's
not Los Angeles. Like I totally didn't leave the house, yep.
And then two of Riverside's officers were shot in an ambush.
One died. The other one was taken to the hospital
and then they believe they believe he just drove up
to the vehicle at a stop light and fired with

(23:02):
a rifle at these stwo dudes. Thirty four year old
Michael Crane, who's on the fucking Riverside Force for eleven
year's side. They searched at least four hundred homes in
the area. Terrifying. Do you think they found anything in
certain people's houses? They were like, we'll be back for this. Yeah,
you're a weird sex swing in the corner the smeth
love back. Oh yeah, right now, today's your lucky day.

(23:22):
Yeah it was not. Let we're watching, but we'll be
back tomorrow. Will be your unlucky right right. So the
manhad enters the second week, so it was two weeks,
and then Karen and James Reynolds are cleaning out their
Big Bear cabin that they own and rented out not
far from the command center, when they were confronted by Dorner,

(23:44):
who had been living there for a couple of days.
Oh so he broke into their empty big Bear cabin. Yeah,
I also want to talk to Karen and James about
why they're cleaning out their cabin at a time when
there's a massive man hunt for like, oh, that's not
going to affect us.

Speaker 2 (23:58):
We'll just go up there and grab that wood bear
toilet paper dispenser.

Speaker 1 (24:02):
You know, my aunt Susie's coming up for the weekend,
and you know how she gets about dust bunnies. Why
are they? Why are they southern? It's fun. That's how
people know.

Speaker 2 (24:11):
We've gone into a scen lit, which is our newest segment, Seedlets.

Speaker 1 (24:17):
Seedlets. So Karen and James, but they're kind of badasses
because they were tied up in blindfold blindfolded. He took
the keys to their maroon Nissan Rouge. Didn't know that
was a car. I don't think it is anymore. He
probably isn't because of this just continued. But he he
kind of was like he said to them, like I
don't want to kill you fuckers. Like he wasn't trying

(24:40):
to kill civilians except for the lawyers. I think he
thought he had his kill lists. He wasn't just going berserk. Yeah,
he didn't want to kill this dude, these this couple
he just typed. You know, he could have shot them
and like take them whenever he wanted and lived there.
He could have shot them and stayed there and he didn't, right,
not defending him, just saying yeah. So they use their

(25:02):
teeth and a knife. They knocked up a nearby table
to remove the pillowcases from their heads and zip ties
from their wrists and called nine one one.

Speaker 2 (25:13):
Karen and who what's her husband's name? Richard Georgia. We're
the heroes, Karen, James Reynolds. So these I mean, who
escape escapes zip ties on the rag. It's Ryan Reynolds parents.
That's why they're so awesome. Right, so let's see here. Okay,

(25:40):
they spotted him dry?

Speaker 1 (25:41):
Sorry this was in What season? Is it? Is there
snow up there? Summertime? This is December? What did I say? Sorry? Karen?
I mean you're really I'm trying to paint a mental picture.
Whizz your quizzes every week you quizz me what season?
What was he wearing underneath his coat? So this started

(26:03):
in February, so there was probably snow midish February. Yes,
it's probably cold. Okay, why because I love Big Bear?
It's fun. Have you ever gone like inner tubing up there? No?
But I need to the best. You mean, like when
you like hang out in an innertube and drink beer
and wander around the or like well that would.

Speaker 2 (26:21):
Be on a river. Okay, this is what you're thinking. Okay,
that's summertime. But in the wintertime in Big Bear, they
have mountains just off the side of the road and
you can rent inner tube, yes, and then you go
up a little like cloth escalator up the side of
the snowy mountain, get up on the top.

Speaker 1 (26:38):
There's like a.

Speaker 2 (26:39):
Team there with a whistle or whatever. Yeah, and then
you just go down and it is the most fun.

Speaker 1 (26:44):
If you're following an Instagram account, you will see a
photo of me at five years old, inner tube and
Big Bear, Yes, going down the snowy hill. Huh nice.
My dad lived in lakeara Head for a hot minute.
So you have a photo. Let's post our fucking tubing photos.
Let's give them people what they want on Instagram, intertubing, murder,
and tubing. I might just put up a picture, just

(27:06):
a picture of an inner tube and just the celebration
of inner tubes because they really summer winter fall. What
a great vehicle for fun. Innertube chub stew cubes, chiubing. Sorry, no,
don't never be Oh wait where I was. I Karen

(27:27):
and Richard have just escaped from the clutches of Oh
my god. Then they find a purple car, because how
many purple Nissans are there on the roads. Probably not
a lot purple Nissan Rouge. I feel like that was his,
besides skilling people, his biggest mistake. You don't get into
a purple car. Don't get into a purple car. What
do you fucking guy Fieri? Get out of that car? No,

(27:47):
this is not the time to flash. This is not
the time to be quirky in your car. Escapism means
a beige.

Speaker 2 (27:56):
Or white car. That's that's exactly right, right. How about
a nice goal old Corolla. No one will ever look
at you gold? Yeah you actually not like bright gold,
but you know, like a kind of muted a muted gold,
A bronze, muted tones a bronze.

Speaker 1 (28:13):
But you know what a light blue? The car I
drive so boring? Yes, that's right, light blue. I hate it.
It's one a car that like, I walk into a
parking garage such as the one that these poor people
got killed. Hi, Yeah, and I want to be like,
that's my orange car over there. You do want that, Yes,
you do want an orange car? Yes, okay, I really
want an orange car. What can you give me an

(28:35):
example of an orange car. There's a lot of Honda
fits that are orange.

Speaker 2 (28:39):
Oh yes, right, it's would you say it's a little
more copper than like, say, a clown.

Speaker 1 (28:43):
It's a burnt orange. Great, and I love it. That's
what I'm looking for. Is not clown? Orange? Good? Okay?
Can I go on? No? Also, well, how do you
feel about dark blue? Electric blue? I'm cool with? Okayolo,
googogle google Google cool? Elvis you cool? Oh cool? Okay? Uh,

(29:05):
let's see they find they spot his car. He's tailing
two school buses for cover. So a purple car. It's
tailing two school buses. Do you mean like to hide
behind them? You like to just be like I'm inconspicuous.
Oh yeah, don't do that. Gun violences. He crashes and

(29:26):
and he runs in quickly hijacks car, jacks a pickup
truck again, saying to the dude, I don't want to
kill you. Get the fuck out of car. Like not
going to kill innocent civilian or like not innocent but
un involved involves Ceiliens goes to a car. Not innocent?
Are you just worried that maybe I'm not saying I'm

(29:47):
just saying that those people are are innocent. Oh yeah, yeah,
people are like yeah, but they're not involved, so I
don't say they're not innocent. They're innocent too. This dude
Collins shows up at the Big Bear cabin where he's
at the first there. I want to know where he
gets shot? Wait? Wait, wait, who's Colin Collins? Is his cop?

(30:07):
This San Bernardina police officer deputy who gets to the
cabin where Dorin has run into after his he crashes
his pickup trucks. Okay, got it. He makes his final
stand here. We're coming to a close. Don't worry people
who aren't into killing spreeze, which I understand. Gun drawn,
He gets from the cabin. He's shot, but he doesn't.

(30:28):
He lives, so don't worry about it. Yeah, beneath his
left nostril, Oh, shattered his teeth and exits slightly below
his shaw. This is the Collins the poor guy or
Drawlin's dude. Oh. He made a joke later that he
looks better now than he did before, Like he's a
sweet baby angel, God bless him. I mean, and he survived.
I wouldn't hate getting my teeth shattered out and brand

(30:50):
new ones. I'll just say that. I'm just saying there's
always a positive. No, I'd like him kicked out, kidding,
gonna come through your IPO box or what's so, we'll
do it. All of our dreams are gonna come true.

Speaker 2 (31:06):
I'll keep you from getting killed by putting my teeth
in front of whatever the weg gods.

Speaker 1 (31:11):
She threw her teeth in front of the bullet.

Speaker 2 (31:13):
She gave up those upwards, slanty Irish teeth as if
they were nothing.

Speaker 1 (31:17):
Your teeth are fine, says the girl with a bisal line.
This that's something a Madeline book. Yes, all right, shot again,
the four fucking Collins. Shot again below his left knee.
That's gotta hurt, and in his left arm, in his
face and knee of the arm, which is guy. This
guy uh Dorner was a sharpshooter from the Navy, so

(31:40):
maybe he didn't. I mean, you get shot in the
fucking face, you're trying to kill someone. You're trying to
kill someone. That's a headshot. That's a headshot. You can't
really talk your way out of that. No. Also, you
made that list of people you were going to kill. Yeah,
and this festiv or, like this guy like lives in
San Bernardino, probably with like his sweet kids and like
wife whatever ex wife, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (31:58):
And now he's okay to the point where he can
make jokes about it.

Speaker 1 (32:01):
That's what it seemed. That's what the news says. Great
the news, that's all I need to know. Sometimes, okay, yes,
so yes, good. So police toss smoke devices into the cabin.
Cabin catches fire and burn for hours, and he was inside. Yeah,
the sheriff they said they found charred human remains among
the ashes. So do we even know if it's his body?

(32:24):
And also people said that he had he had a
gunshot in his head, but we don't know that. I
don't know if that's so he killed himself and then
the cabin burned out. No, I think he probably was
dying from smoke and then I don't know, and then
shot himself. You know, I stopped investigating at this point, Karen.

Speaker 2 (32:43):
Sorry, Sorry, Well I just remember the story.

Speaker 1 (32:46):
Yeah. Yeah, and it was like they have him surrounded.
They had him surrounded for a while. Then it was
like we're going in and it was like he's dead.
It's over. I was watching this shit probably at a bar, yes,
you know, like this was a big news story here
in La. It really was. I think, La, we hate
our car Uh what do they call car chase?

Speaker 4 (33:06):
Now?

Speaker 1 (33:06):
We we, as people who live in LA for a
long time, are sick of the news being like car chases.
They're fucking egregious and stupid and obnoxious. I only saw
one recently that ended amazingly where this woman is like
making all these crazy no, no, no, this person is
making all these crazy turns. I just gave it away
and she like finally stops, gets out of her car,

(33:28):
hands up. It's a woman. Everyone in the public house
that I'm in cheer because they're stuck that it's a chick.
And she starts walking towards one of her hands up,
then fucking makes a bolting bee line to the cop
card to steal the colf corn all the way and
everyone in the bar like is fucking cheering for her,
and she gets caught. But it was like the sweetest move.

(33:50):
That's amazing. It was great. What drugs do you think
she was on? All of them? Okay, at least what's
the one they always told you not to do because
it can. Yep. Yeah, that's the one where you list
the cop car over your head. Let's how about our parents?
What's not? What's it called our Instagram? No, the one
you make money off of on social media? Anyways? Paton Patreon?

Speaker 3 (34:16):
Thank you, Steven. How about Patreon? We do angel dust
and just see what happens. It's just a video of
us do angel my k kids. Here's what happens. I'm
putting this on the to do list. We're gonna get dusted,
all right. I'm finishing the crowd.

Speaker 1 (34:32):
So sorry. But but here's the crazy thing is the police.
Los Angeles Police announced the department reopened the investigation into
his case that led to his termination after he was dead.
What and Chief Beck said, I do not appease a murderer.
I do it to reassure the public that their police
department is transparent and fair in all things we do. Wow,
I know that happened recently. This happened on Google. Why

(34:58):
have I asked you one question? And I feel very bad.
Should I be embarrassed? No, not at all. I just
meant like, was it a I know what you mean?

Speaker 2 (35:11):
I get here's my thingy. It seems like every day
we spend. Every other police department in the world looks terrible. Yeah,
and slowly, but surely LAPD doesn't seem so bad.

Speaker 1 (35:23):
They really don't these days. These days they don't.

Speaker 2 (35:26):
If you watch the The Simpsons thirty by thirty, they
don't look so good.

Speaker 1 (35:31):
They don't. And that's why I feel like they're trying
to be like, sorry about that one.

Speaker 2 (35:35):
But I mean something like that where it would be
worst case scenario if it was like what if he
was right the whole time?

Speaker 1 (35:40):
Yeah, that's nightmares. Well, some people get fired and don't
go fucking no. But guess what they don't get talked
about on my favorite murder, do they? That's right?

Speaker 2 (35:50):
Well, Also the fact that there's probably, if at least
a fifty to fifty chance he had PTSD from being.

Speaker 1 (35:56):
Absolutely you in Baharan where is it baor Rain Tau Rain,
he probably had PTSD. His neighbors said that he was
a member of an admired, well liked family who usually
kept to themselves. That's always a bad sign. Don't keep
to yourselves. He put it out there on the porch.
He was divorced in two thousand and seven, no kids,

(36:18):
so he probably lost his mind, and then you lose
this job that you've been working towards since high school
when you went into the navy. Yeah, that's your probably
your identity. Yeah, it's like what and he was probably
correct in her using excessive.

Speaker 2 (36:32):
Force, and he was probably correct in the internal racism,
which we all know is a very real fact that
all police departments aren't allowed to acknowledge.

Speaker 1 (36:42):
Like this guy would have gotten his day of celebrating
if you just had not gone on a killing spree,
Like I feel like by now he would have been like.

Speaker 2 (36:50):
Uh, but you know they Well I wonder that'd be
really interesting to know if like if it goes back
that if it reverses itself. But the problem is, like
he was one of those people where he couldn't handle
the shame. Oh, Like he was basically publicly shamed and

(37:10):
had his identity taken away. And then it's like those
there are people who if you if you do that
to them, they have to retaliate.

Speaker 1 (37:16):
Yeah, and then I guess sit with it. He reported
this crime in two thousand and eight, it happened in
two thousand and seven. He got a divorce in two
thousand and seven, So it's just like he's in a
world of pain. Yeah, so I did so. I of
course went to red it because I'm like, what do
they have to say? It's always something good? So Doc
Gray one eight seven zero zero zero. As I read that,

(37:39):
I'm like, he might be not one eight seven. He
says his manifesto sounded so plausible. I don't want people
killed or otherwise, but has understood that sometimes humans have
to kill humans. Isn't it? Cops carry guns, soldiers carry guns.
The only question is justification? Right. So if the government
and their guard dogs are thoroughly corrupt, as Donner asserted,

(38:02):
they and use unnecessarily deadly forced have callous disregard for
human life, and are in a mutual protection agreement with prosecutors,
what are good people supposed to do?

Speaker 3 (38:13):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (38:15):
And he says, do you know how Dorner was caught?
He carjacked a dude on a secluded road and told
him I don't want to hurt you, and then let
him go, and that dude turned him. And he also
commandeered that cabin, but let the residents live. Contrasts with
the innocent civilians the LAEDPD hurt and their quest to
get Dorner and his gruesome death. Who am I supposed
to root for?

Speaker 2 (38:35):
Well, that's it's not a binary thing. It's not you
don't root for anybody. Because here's the thing. Those cops
didn't want to kill anybody.

Speaker 1 (38:44):
But they were reacting. They are the ones being hunted,
and maybe they weren't trained well enough yeah, to know
what to do in this situation like that.

Speaker 2 (38:52):
It immediately just makes me go the night the night
that they investigated the John Bennane murdered, they sent the
two newest cops over.

Speaker 1 (39:00):
Because of his chrism. Yeah, it's that kind of thing.
Before we get hate mail, I want to assure everyone
that I don't hate cops. I think they're fucking I
think the majority are working their asses off to be
good people and have you know, the best interest of
And it's a hard job and you're putting your life
on the line. You just only hear about the bad ones.

Speaker 2 (39:22):
Well, but and you But the problem is I heard
a DJ talking about this.

Speaker 1 (39:26):
I teach about it a DJ.

Speaker 2 (39:28):
He was just saying, there's never any they just never
cop to anything. And you can't do that when you're
shooting people dead in cars, when you have people who
are shooting people in the back or strangling them on video.
You can't continually be like they're innocent, they're innocent. That's
when you're building if you're never being a stand up,

(39:50):
you know, and never you know, these are obviously.

Speaker 1 (39:53):
Getting If you're not getting punished by the higher ups
and saying that they did this thing wrong.

Speaker 2 (39:58):
That means that there's no a for the behavior and
it's acceptable. Yeah, that's a huge fucking problem. And if
it's the same people but getting targeted all the time,
I mean, this snares you right into the Christopher Dorner story,
snares you into everything that's happening right now, I know
in our culture, I know, Yeah, that'd be horrifying if

(40:19):
he was completely innocent and then just basically snapped, as
opposed to the story that was built in the media
is kind of like, oh, here's this crazy guy that
like tried to lie about somebody else, and you know
they had him like vilified from the beginning.

Speaker 1 (40:35):
Yeah, well, I just touched probably a ton of nerves
of listeners. So go to my po box and let
me know what you think.

Speaker 2 (40:42):
I feel like people listen to this to get nerves touched.
I mean, that's the whole idea. By the way, I
also chocked down my po box number.

Speaker 1 (40:49):
Yeah. If you can't live with it, why do it?
I can't do it. Yeah, I'd rather not have presents
from listeners. I think it's fine. So yeah, that's my
favorite murder. This Irvine, Irvine, Iram. How was that? Was that? Okay? Yeah? Yeah? Uh,

(41:11):
mine happened in the same year. My god. There's a
lot of similarities, which is super weird. Interesting.

Speaker 2 (41:19):
And this is a murder story that I had two different,
separate non people that don't know each other.

Speaker 1 (41:26):
Friends of mine ask if I had done this story yet. Oh,
it's the Cheshire murder ooh, and uh, you've probably seen
a twenty twenty or a nightline about it. It was
super famous.

Speaker 2 (41:40):
It happened around the same time as the Oklahoma bombings,
but it was more talked about in the news more
consistently because it was that really infamous Connecticut home invasion story.
That's a nightmare home invasion from start to finish. It's
a nightmare. It's a nightmare. And also it's just this

(42:01):
is just sinister and creepy because Cheshire, Connecticut. So there's
a documentary on HBO called The Cheshire Murders. Highly recommend.
I watched that this morning and it will tell you
the entire story, but it's very hard because it's all
the relatives, so it's just like everybody right there on
camera talking about how it feels. And it's incredibly rough

(42:24):
because this is a you know, this is a multiple
rape murder situation on a family who live in one
of those towns where when they show all the shots,
it's like all the a frame houses with the lawns,
there's no fences between any of the rs and the

(42:45):
area these people lived in was pretty upscale. So basically
what happened is on the night of July twenty second,
at seven thirty at night, Jennifer Hawkpetit went to the
stop and shop with her eleven year old daughter, Mikhayla,
and they're they're just shopping for groceries and they're spotted

(43:07):
by a recent parle named Joshua Kammasurievsky is basically how
you're pronounced the last they said it in the in
this documentary probably thirty times, and every time I'd say
it along with them or repeat it after I heard it,
and I still it's Kamasar Yefski or Kamassar Jefski.

Speaker 1 (43:29):
I'm not sure. So this guy's watching them in the
grocery store. I might as well just get to this
part now.

Speaker 2 (43:38):
Very upsetting part in this documentary is this guy who
is in his like mid to late twenties. I want
to say twenty seven.

Speaker 1 (43:45):
I can't. I can't see it on my paper.

Speaker 2 (43:47):
But he had a girlfriend like in the years prior.
And the father of that girl that this guy dated
talks on camera about how they said that they thought
they wanted to get married, and the father said, I
have two problems with that. You're a career criminal and
you're a pedophile. And he's like, and my daughter looks

(44:11):
and acts a lot younger than she is. And so
this girl who is the same age as him, is
on camera and she completely if you said she's sixteen
or fifteen, you'd be like sure, and she was like
in her mid twenties. Oh ish, So it's there was
some part that got confusing where it was like he
also tried to date her younger sister and it was
a thing. So this guy, and of course it turns

(44:33):
out that later in the documentary it turns out that
he was molested as a child, very young, terribly and
for most of his life, so he had he was adopted.
This father that they show a couple pictures of as
one of the most disturbing looking individuals, like always right
behind him, kind of creepy.

Speaker 1 (44:53):
Oh my, how did I not see this documentary? It's
pretty good. I mean. The thing is, by the time
you get to the part where they were talking about
what life was like for these two dudes that did
this home invasion, you're like, oh, I don't care, Yeah,
I don't care. These are monsters. I don't care because
that happens to a lot of people, not a lot hopefully,
but and they don't become monsters exactly.

Speaker 2 (45:11):
The only thing though, is it is interesting because when
something like this happens over and over, people go who
could do this?

Speaker 1 (45:18):
Who? How do you do something like I don't understand,
how could you do this? How could you do this?

Speaker 2 (45:22):
And most people just go from that question to kill them,
just kill them, don't why even give them a trial.
It's that mentality which we all because so hard to comprehend.

Speaker 1 (45:31):
It's just like this compounded abuse that's just generations long,
probably because the guy who abused them was abused too, And.

Speaker 2 (45:43):
I mean it's bad, all right, but it's interesting. No, no, no,
because that's that's the thing with pedophiles, is that oftentimes
that's where it's coming from.

Speaker 1 (45:52):
Is it happens to them. But it's just it puts
a very strange light on an already very upset in case.

Speaker 2 (46:00):
So they go home from this grocery store. The mom
and daughter go home. This guy follows them home and
goes and sees where they live. He had just he
was living in a half way house or he had
just gotten out of a halfway house, and he was
just paroled. And so is his friend, Stephen Hayes, who
is considerably older and also as a very long Both

(46:22):
of them have crazy long criminal records. Both are uh
like burglars or whatever. This guy and when they talked
about Josh Commiseryevski, they actually say he had a photographic memory.
He was incredibly intelligent, He was an incredibly talented artist.

(46:43):
And they start showing these illustrations that he did and
they look somewhat They reminded me immediately of the pictures
in suns Lambs when doctor Lecter has those hand drawn
pictures of like.

Speaker 1 (46:57):
Italy.

Speaker 2 (46:58):
You know that she's basically drawn his own pictures, so
he from memory. It's the exact same thing where this
guy has these illustrations that are like so insanely detailed
and beautiful and amazing. So and he had, you know,
so he's he's a smart person, but very cunning and
very sociopathic. And so was the other guy, Stephen Hayes.

(47:19):
Two of his brothers in this documentary talking about him,
how he was a monster from their childhood. It was
like burning their hands on stoves, like nightmare, older brother
shit that they had to live with. So, of course,
in the end of this when these two guys get caught,
they tell the exact opposite stories of it was this
guy's idea. And so it's very interesting because one guy

(47:42):
looks like something out of a movie of a bad
guy and the other guy looks like like a young
pot dealer that would live in San Diego. But the
truth of it is they think that it's the young
guy that was the mastermind behind it.

Speaker 1 (47:55):
All the artists, the smarter guy. Yeah. Sure.

Speaker 2 (47:57):
So anyway, those two meet up at a bar and
they talk about their plan and how they're going to
go rob this house, and at three am they go
up to the house, and when they walk up, they
see that doctor William Pettitt is sleeping on the screened
and porch on the front And so Josh goes and
grabs a baseball bat from the front lawn that they

(48:19):
passed on their way in, takes it and starts beating
this guy in the head.

Speaker 1 (48:22):
How do you go to a house at three in
the morning, like you're just asking for go? You know,
go in the middle of the day when no one's home.
You want to find people there? No, they wanted they
wanted this the Josh guy.

Speaker 2 (48:35):
Part of his thing was, they said when he would
go in burgle houses, he would go in different rooms.
He would he would pick places like it would be
like a state trooper's house that he would be burgling,
and he would after he stole all the things he
wanted to steal, he would stand and listen to people.

Speaker 1 (48:51):
Breathing holy shit, uh huh.

Speaker 2 (48:53):
And then also the guy that was talking about him,
I think it was probably one of his old defense lawyers,
said that he could remember every every single thing he stole,
where it was, where the item. If he took a
wallet out of a pair of pants, it was hanging
on the back of the chair like he had a
photographic memory. Weird, Yes, So that part of the joy

(49:13):
of it was the fact that he knew that family
was home. At least they know that, for that was
his pattern in the past. Okay, So they beat the
father in the head, tie him up and put him
down in the basement, and tie his wrists and ankles
to a pole in the basement. He's got his head
is split down the front, and then there's like three

(49:34):
huge gashes in the back of the honey. So he's
down in the basement. They have him shut down there.
Then they tie up the mother and both daughters in
each of their respective rooms, tie them hands and feet
to the bed, put pillowcases over their head, and shut
the doors of all those rooms. Then they ransacked the

(49:56):
whole house, and by the time they're done looking through everything,
they're not happy with their hall.

Speaker 1 (50:00):
They didn't get enough.

Speaker 2 (50:02):
And they find a Bank of America bank book, and
they see that the amount in the bank is like
over fifteen grand or it's a bunch, and so they're like,
here's what we're going to do. When it's nine am
and that bank opens, you're going in there. You're taking
out fifteen thousand dollars and you're bringing it back here
to us and then we will leave you alone. So

(50:24):
at nine am, this woman goes into her bank, goes
up to the teller, says I'd liked her withdraw all
fifteen thousand dollars, and as they're doing their business, she
says that I'm doing this against my will. People broke
into our house last night. The guide drove me here.
He's in the parking lot outside right now. He has
my family back at the house, so like his partner

(50:46):
has the family back at the house. She actually was
quoted the teller said that she said they're mostly nice.
I think they just need this money.

Speaker 1 (50:57):
And she's like, but you need to tell the police,
because you know, I was I was told to come
in here and not say anything, and so like, please
handle this.

Speaker 2 (51:06):
And so the teller. There's a woman in this documentary
who was in the bank when all this happened, and
she said she saw the bank manager run from the
teller's little depot into her office and shut the door
and start making the phone call. So it happened like immediately,
and then Jennifer Pettick got her money and left the bank,
So she didn't wait around or anything, because I surely

(51:28):
she was probably on like a timelinder.

Speaker 1 (51:29):
Oh shit. So Steven Hayes is in the car waiting
for her outside. Yeah, the guys back at home.

Speaker 2 (51:34):
The other guy's back at home. So they find a
video footage gas station video surveillance that Hayes had bought
ten dollars worth of gas from two gas Cancid he'd
gotten from the pet at home before they went to
the bank. So they know it's premeditated. So when they
get you know.

Speaker 1 (51:53):
Oh my god, does she know they have gas extra gas?
I don't know, no, because she's tied up in the room.
So I think they're doing all that business themselves.

Speaker 2 (52:01):
So when So this is where the story's split because
Josh has one story and Stephen has the other. But
Stephen's story is he gets back from the bank with
Missus Pettitt and he thinks they're going to take this money.
He's picking him up and they're leaving. When he walks in,
Josh says, I I have left DNA in one of

(52:21):
the children. We have to burn this house down. We
have to kill them and burn this house down. And
that's when Steven's like, I was not in this that.
According to him, he was like, this is crazy. Then
he looks outside and sees that from the moment that
bank teller got on the phone with nine to one one,

(52:42):
like it was minutes later, they say, like three to
five minutes later, cops were outside of this house. So
they look outside. Stephen sees that there's cops outside, which
you know, she had promised him he would not call
the cops, and he goes crazy, starts strangling her.

Speaker 1 (53:00):
The mom oh no, I don't.

Speaker 2 (53:02):
Like it's bad. He strangles her, rapes her. After he
strangles her, My fucking god, Okay.

Speaker 1 (53:15):
It's like a week away. It's like a week away
from fourth of July. Fourth of July past a week ago.
My fucking neighbors are still this has been happening all week.
They've been letting off fucking fireworks. But that was the
worst time that could have happened so loud, and I
saw a fucking I saw the spike too, and there
was like a big flash. Huh, wow, my heart, do

(53:37):
you want to shut that? Since now there's wow, fuck's sake,
we're trying. I'm gonna talk about murder. What oh God,
that's hilarious. So okay, I can't wait to hear that.

Speaker 4 (53:53):
Yeah, I think so many people have their headphones in
right now and got so for when that happened. I'm
wondering because it was that was crazy loud, and we
both we all freaked out.

Speaker 1 (54:05):
You know what that was like our podcast version of
you know in a movie when suddenly a car gets
side Yeah, fucking ta bump, or they closed the medicine
cabinet and there's someone that he just it was like
we like put that into our own scary scary podcast.

Speaker 2 (54:20):
That was scary enough as it was sucked. Guys, don't
be mad at us because we're as upset as you are.

Speaker 1 (54:25):
It's not more. Now here come the cops. Do you hear?
Did you hear that? Okay?

Speaker 2 (54:30):
So okay, So Stephen Hayes has just strangled and raped
the mother. So turns out while they were at the bank,
uh he Josh had gone upstairs and raped the eleven
year old, the.

Speaker 1 (54:51):
One who he thought looked like his ex girlfriend. Yes,
but she was eleven. There was a seventeen year old daughter,
yeah that No nobody went into her room ever after.
So it's super crazy.

Speaker 2 (55:04):
And when you hear his confession on tape, it's super
disgusting because he is using so many euphemisms and kind
of trying to talk like they chatted and they were
talking about school, and I brought our glass of water,
like it's all very sweet romantic in his mind. It's
super gross. So then they pour gas over both girls,

(55:30):
still alive.

Speaker 1 (55:31):
No no, no, no, no no no.

Speaker 2 (55:32):
And then throughout the entire house, light the house on fire,
and then run out the front door, get into the
petit's car, drive one block away, get pulled over and arrested.
So the entire time now in the aftermath, when they
made announcements, the mayor, the city you know, councilmen or whoever,

(55:53):
were like and we'd like to think the police and
fired did a great job and all this stuff. Well
it turned out from when they finally because they had
like kind of redacted all of this information, they weren't
there was a gag order on the whole story. They
like the press couldn't report on it on any details.
They didn't know any details about it. And then they
finally get like the phone reports and the nine one

(56:14):
one calls and everything, and they had a perimeter they
were setting up a perimeter. Five minutes after the nine
one one call came in from the bank and they
were all just sitting outside in that perimeter. They had
no one had called on the phone, no one had
knocked on the door, no one had even approached the
house in any way. They heard missus Pettit screaming and

(56:39):
nobody went up. They the house caught on fire, and
they still didn't do anything. So basically, in the amount
of time between when they went to the bank and
came back is when all of the major crimes happened,
and the police were just sitting outside not taking action,
which you know, it's this is a town that was

(56:59):
like twenty five thousand people. So again, and there were
some people that argue that this is a small town,
but this is a small town in terms of police
handling major crimes. So they had basically no idea what
to do and just set up a perimeter and waited
and didn't do anything. So like those those god damn

(57:21):
it was that sounded like an actual firework.

Speaker 1 (57:24):
Yeah you could. I just saw like Disneyland things out, Yeah,
except this is fucking los Feelis Yeah, I'm fucking Disneyland. Yeah,
and fireworks are illegal and in in addition, and it's
been happening pretty much every night since fourth of July.
I mean, it's isn't it like July tenth? Now, it's
like July town it's six days later, guys.

Speaker 2 (57:47):
Anyway, Uh, to wrap it up, when doctor Pettitt escaped
the basement, he it was basically right around the same
time as the house was lit on fire.

Speaker 1 (58:03):
He was like smelled the smoke and whatever, and so
he with his I'm looking at fireworks over your shoulder, moving,
I'm fucking moving. So doctor Pettitt runs up the backstairs.
His feet are still bound.

Speaker 2 (58:16):
He's like hopping with a bloody face across to his
neighbors and there's like a little forest in between his
house and the neighbor's house, and he sees the cops
hiding behind trees and is screaming, helped my family save
my family as he's running over to the neighbor's house
and they're just keeping their positions.

Speaker 1 (58:33):
So all of that.

Speaker 2 (58:34):
Part, they like effectively swept that part under the rug.
And the family kept asking questions and like it was
like there's a gag order, we can't tell you anything.
And it wasn't until the case happened that they found
out all this horrible shit, of all the really hideous
details of what happened. And then they also Joshua's diary

(58:55):
was put into evidence, and basically after they got arrested,
they both turned on each other said it was the
other person's idea. And it's really hard to pull apart
because even in this documentary, like you can see how
josh could be the mastermind, but you could also see
how Stephen Hayes could just I mean this idea. Like

(59:18):
when his lawyer was trying to tell that story of like, oh,
we saw the cops and that he felt very betrayed
and that's why he straggled and raped Missus Pettitt, It's like, yeah,
I don't think so.

Speaker 1 (59:28):
No, people don't strangle and rape people when they feel
betrayed as a whole.

Speaker 2 (59:32):
I mean, they say it's like explosive anger reaction or whatever,
but it's like, I don't know, I feel like they
probably were planning on doing that anyway. Yeah, So anyway,
they're convicted of the murders and they're sentenced to death
in twenty ten, Well that was Stephen Hayes was convicted

(59:55):
in twenty twenty ten. Joshua Kamasaryevsky was convicted in twenty
eleven and sentenced to death in twenty twelve, and in
August twenty fifteen, the state of Connecticut abolished the death penalty.

Speaker 1 (01:00:10):
So now Hayes and kammas.

Speaker 2 (01:00:12):
Servsky are had both of their death sentences commuted and
now they're serving life sentences.

Speaker 1 (01:00:18):
What do you think, who do you think was the mastermind?

Speaker 2 (01:00:24):
You know, it seems to me that it's the younger guy.
It seems to me that it's the Joshua Commasarovsky guy, because.

Speaker 1 (01:00:32):
The one who raped the eleven year old.

Speaker 2 (01:00:33):
Yep, he's the one that had this kind of plan. Yeah,
And I think he's the one that, like the other
guy was a burglar and kind of on duras and stuff.
I think that guy was a career criminal in that
in that way, but I think Joshua had some really
really deep, serious emotional problem.

Speaker 1 (01:00:52):
Well when you think of like hey, when you think
of someone saying, hey, I found this house that's perfect
for us to break into, Like one of them knows
who's in that house and what's going on, Yes, the
other one might not. And so it seems that he
had an alterior motive for sure, and the other guy
didn't at first, right, he just wanted to make some

(01:01:13):
easy money or just thought. It was like they're they're
out of jail, they're out of a halfway house. They
need jobs. You can't get a job as the next
con very easily. You know. They're just trying to get
back to it.

Speaker 2 (01:01:25):
And also that guy Joshua was kicked out of the army,
which is always a bad sign. They didn't go into
any of the details about though. Anyway, the Cheshire murders,
it's an old HBO documentary, so I found it on
HBO now or Go or something on my Apple TV.
But it's really interesting and really it just fucked with everyone.

(01:01:46):
It's they considered the worst crime in Connecticut history, poor girls,
and it fucked with everybody because it was home invasion.
So it was just like, your utopian life can be
invaded by two criminals.

Speaker 1 (01:01:59):
Who are you know. It's almost like there's on one hand,
you have like burglary, you have you're not home, someone
comes out and steals your shit. But someone who's bold
enough to do a home invasion robbery that scares the
shit out of me, the person who would be willing
to do that, yes is no.

Speaker 2 (01:02:17):
Has no what Well part of the enjoyment at least
they know for a fact that Joshua had was the fear.
That he liked, the fear he put into people because
and that he actually wrote a bunch of stuff about
it in his diary that was on this thing that
was just basically like that's he feels that scared and

(01:02:38):
freaked out and wants to scream inside all the time,
and so it makes him feel better to see people
torture like that.

Speaker 1 (01:02:44):
Which when you're the one whose people are fear, then
you're not. Yeah, holy shit, it's deep, it's dark, and yeah,
I'm staying home from now on for the rest of
my life. But then what if there's a home invasion robbery? Well,
and also that's where all the fireworks are, so home
is where the IRA works are, you know. Oh man, Yeah,
Elvis is hiding under the bed right now, so we

(01:03:05):
can't end the show until he comes out.

Speaker 2 (01:03:07):
My friend Sean who asked me if I was going
to do this, Uh, the one that's from Cheshire, Connecticut.
So when he watched his document Menory, he kept talking
about how freaked out.

Speaker 1 (01:03:17):
He was because it was his He goes, that's my bank.

Speaker 2 (01:03:20):
I'd been to that bank so many times, like this
was his hometown murder. And he was just like he said,
watching this documentary, it was just like that's his town.

Speaker 1 (01:03:29):
Oh that's scary. Yeah. Should we do a hometown murder quick?
Okay before we end, let me let's see, let me
find one. Tell me about tell me about your week.
Hm hm, no. Oh, we're going to be at comic Con,
except you're not right. I'm going to be at comic Con.

(01:03:50):
Feral Audio is having a comic Con panel, so everyone
should come to that on Thursday. Okay, what's the date?
The day? What? I don't know. Title be on our insta.
Everyone should come to that. Okay, I think it's the seventeenth.
Uh no, it's a sorry, I'm jumping in the twenty first.

(01:04:14):
There you go, twenty first. It's Dan Harmon's panel. Okay,
So this guy Jason sent us a hometown murder. I'm
from a small town in Alabama, about fifteen miles north
of Birmingham called Gardendale, sleepy suburb, not much going on.
In nineteen ninety four, I was a senior year of
high school. I went to a local punk rock show

(01:04:36):
put on by DIY Venue, roughly ten miles from town.
Tiny community center that would put on local shows on
Saturday and then would have local church meeting on Sunday.
Typical crowd of underage kids just trying to find something
to do. There was a few local bands and a
touring act Blah blah blah punk in the ninety four

(01:04:57):
around sixty teen small space. I remember during the show
hearing murmurs about a kid walking around the show about
him being crazy, and it wasn't until I saw it
that I got freaked out. Two years previous, a kid
moved into town from a neighboring area. I met him
because we rode the same bus. We hit it off
as bus friends. And in ninety four or Kenny and

(01:05:19):
three of us friends were out drinking and driving around
looking for something to do. They were driving up the
interstate when they happened upon a hitchhiker, Vicki Lynn to
Blow I think is to Blue. They thought it'd be
fun to pick her up and see what they could
get into. Oh, dear, I don't want to read this.
They had her fingers towards the end of what happened
to her? They cut off her fingers and you're not

(01:05:41):
going to do the middle Port, Nope, and the fingers
with the boy were showing off at that DIY show. Basically,
they murdered this girl. They took her teeth in DNA,
so I mean, come on, they took her teeth and
her fingers so she couldn't be identified, and this kid
is showing it off at the show. At first I
thought it was and then someone else told me it

(01:06:01):
was probably dug up from a recent burial, which still
freaked me out. It wasn't until a few days later
did I find out that it actually was real. Seems
he had been showing off the finger around town and
bragging about it. Needless to say, the police quickly found out.
All the boys were charged and convicted of murder. They
all got the death penalty, but a few years later,
three of the boys, who were seventeen at the time,

(01:06:23):
had their death senses commuted to life. The fourth boy,
who had just turned eighteen, no such luck for him.
As far as I know, they are all still locked
up for what's sake? Was the middle part that they
all raved her? I think they just like killed her
in a really brutal, fucked up way that I don't

(01:06:44):
want to Jesus, well, can you imagine? Like what then?
Why am I asking for hometown murders and reading that? No,
no, no no no. I respect your if you need to
make a call on the editing that it's too much.
It just feels I don't I'm not. This isn't this
guy's fault. This is the story. I'm just saying, Like me,
reading it feels a little like egregious. It feels a

(01:07:07):
little like indulgent, and like this poor girl who went
through enough doesn't need to be indulged like you can
find it online and doesn't need to be indulged in
me like reading the gruesome details of our poor murder. Right, sure,
it's whatever you feel like doing. I know you know why.
This is. This is our world, girl, This is our

(01:07:27):
fucking firecracker world. Wow, Elice doesn't want to cook me cooky,
I bet he does. All right, you guys, go to Instagram.
My favorite murder. Twitter is my favorite murder. We have
our Facebook group. Of course, you're going to.

Speaker 2 (01:07:49):
Be at the La Podfasts in September, so come to that.
There's tons of really good people that are going to
be it's going to be really fun.

Speaker 1 (01:07:58):
Thank you guys for listening. We really love this pot
cast and we appreciate that you guys listen. It's super
awesome times and you know what, stay sexy and don't
get murdered. Elvis, Cookie Locks Cookey all right, thanks guys,
Bye bye,