27 - Your Hometown Murder Email Round-Up

In a very special episode, Karen & Georgia share just a few of the hundreds of listener hometown murders that have been sent to us.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:17):
Hi, Welcome to my Favorite Murder.

Speaker 2 (00:20):
That's Karen I. Let's start over.

Speaker 1 (00:23):
I hate that, but we're leaving it in. But let's
say let's start over. Okay, let's start over. Oh welcome,
Am I very welcome?

Speaker 2 (00:31):
Oh? Yeah, am I very This is so bad.

Speaker 1 (00:34):
It's it's just uncomfortable to start a podcast. I think
anyone listening understands that. Yeah, it's uncomfortable to pretend while
you're sitting in your friend's apartment that you suddenly have
some kind of official right.

Speaker 2 (00:49):
Like it's as if we're on the radio.

Speaker 3 (00:51):
Well, you and I have been talking pretty mellow, mellow
lee in a mellow minutes. That's when I suddenly break
in face to face into like newscaster voice, is weird.

Speaker 2 (01:02):
Hey Georgia here ed, what's up girl? Are you? What's
your murdery day been? Like?

Speaker 3 (01:10):
My day has been murder delicious. And then I just
throw myself off a balcony. Let's start over.

Speaker 1 (01:19):
Welcome to my Favorite Murder, The podcast that answers the
question should you talk about murders?

Speaker 2 (01:26):
The answer is no, we already know they click goodbye.
Oh yet they do it. Anyway, I'm going to.

Speaker 1 (01:33):
Kick off with my favorite the reason I'm doing this
podcast Corrections Corner and what is it this week? A
British correction? As it is every week.

Speaker 2 (01:43):
Every week we just get something wrong.

Speaker 1 (01:45):
I think there's something in me and I'm willing to
process this on the podcast and talk through it on
the podcast. There's something in me that wants to be
a British expert, an expert of all things England.

Speaker 2 (02:00):
And although I do not know anything.

Speaker 3 (02:02):
So anything about being a child of Irish immigrants, that
doesn't give a fuck what you get wrong.

Speaker 1 (02:11):
I mean, yes, there's something about being the child of
Irish the grandchild of Irish immigrants that makes me have
a healthy disrespect for everyone, but especially the British. But
I think there's also a weird kind of like it's
so funny to me when people go on to any
number of social media platforms that are my favorite murder

(02:34):
based and say, Karen, if you liked Marcella, you're gonna
love broad Church.

Speaker 2 (02:39):
And I want to be like, are you fucking kidding me?
I'll watch that shit the second Accompta.

Speaker 3 (02:44):
It is really weird when someone's like, oh my god,
have you guys seen and then it's like it's staircase. Yes,
we absolutely have. Did you guys see dear Zachary And
it's like we're good. There's like some basic ones. I
think it's just people new to this well.

Speaker 1 (02:59):
And also I think gets people that get excited they
see something get excited and want to make sure we've
seen it.

Speaker 2 (03:04):
I don't want to be lad, I don't want no, No,
we're not. It begs the question are you new? What
the fuck are you talking about new? Uh? Yeah, I've
seen it.

Speaker 1 (03:12):
If it's British, if it's got a like a rugged,
handsome lady in charge who's going through some shit. But
also as to solve murder, i've seen it. They only
have batons.

Speaker 3 (03:22):
They don't even have guns, which is always so weird
to me to see that.

Speaker 1 (03:25):
They have the language, they have their wit, and then
they have some sticks.

Speaker 3 (03:31):
They do stick work. I need you to talk me
through something, so I watched.

Speaker 2 (03:35):
Wait, I have to do my correction. Oh please go.

Speaker 1 (03:37):
I said that faggot was not the derogatory term for
a gay person in England. I thought it was cigarettes.
A fag is something they do say is slang. But
someone promptly from England emailed us and was like not
sure what you're talking about or why, which is a

(03:58):
great you know question a post right, But they're like
it absolutely And that is what Mary Bell was saying
when she wrote that graffiti on the wall right corrections corner.

Speaker 2 (04:11):
I'm wrong again.

Speaker 3 (04:13):
Someone needs to please take that clip right there and
just and remix it into the next.

Speaker 2 (04:20):
Em E M d R. What do they call it? EDMR?

Speaker 3 (04:24):
Electronic Dance ASMR? And what's the one what's the one
you go to sleep too? And what's the one you
dance on?

Speaker 2 (04:31):
ASMR? Is going to sleep in? EDM? It's what you
stay up all night.

Speaker 3 (04:35):
So I promise you, if we ask nicely, someone's gonna
make an E d M A SMR version of that.

Speaker 1 (04:42):
Good luck.

Speaker 2 (04:43):
That's your challenge to combine the boat. Good luck. Oh,
I just murdered my toast. What were you going to say?

Speaker 3 (04:49):
I was going to say that I watched two episodes
of Marcellack.

Speaker 2 (04:55):
You know when it's like I know one of them
is wrong and I don't know which one.

Speaker 1 (04:58):
No, no, no, I'm laughing because the people on the show
say Marcella right.

Speaker 2 (05:01):
That's one of the things about it is it's like
she keeps correcting them yeah, I wasn't an you did
not like it. I need you to talk me through it. Well,
if you didn't like, you didn't like it, I just
really didn't.

Speaker 3 (05:13):
I thought she wasn't believe it wasn't believable to me
that she was so crazy. I'm not going to give
anything away.

Speaker 2 (05:22):
It's this British procedural crime drama. Yeah, we've talked about it.
I know, but maybe someone's new here. Oh true are
you true?

Speaker 1 (05:30):
True?

Speaker 2 (05:30):
True? Are you new? Are you? Are you new? I mean,
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (05:35):
I just liked it, but but also I really do
like as long as it's new and British.

Speaker 2 (05:40):
Yeah, you specifically like those, I really do. I think
they do crime procedurals great.

Speaker 3 (05:45):
Yeah, I think that. I am less interested.

Speaker 2 (05:50):
You don't like drama per se? Slow? Yeah, they're very slow.
I don't like slow, and that I don't like.

Speaker 3 (05:57):
I can't understand your accent half the time, so I'm
not following.

Speaker 2 (06:00):
And also you're driving on the wrong side of the.

Speaker 1 (06:01):
Road, Oh my god, and why are you drinking tea
like seven times a day?

Speaker 2 (06:06):
In addition, what the fuck?

Speaker 1 (06:10):
Let's vow to never do those voices again? Oh my god,
never except for our real voices, which sound a.

Speaker 2 (06:15):
Lot like which we don't want to admit actually sound.

Speaker 1 (06:18):
Existing sound kind of except I will recommend this, although
it is off topic of the direct murder topic.

Speaker 2 (06:26):
I've been watching Stranger Things, which is just going to.

Speaker 1 (06:28):
Bring it up.

Speaker 2 (06:28):
Really love it.

Speaker 1 (06:30):
Two episodes in love it so good, love it, and
as a person who grew up in the eighties, like
those houses. It's a new Netflix series if you haven't
seen it, called Stranger Things.

Speaker 2 (06:40):
It's very popular. People are loving it. When on a.

Speaker 1 (06:42):
Writer are very proud to see her. Their hometown girl
went on a writer and it's so good. She's great,
It's really fun. But that like the friend Barb the
first time, the main girl's friend Barb from Oh my God,
Barbara Barbus the best and Barbe's hair, glasses and clothes.

(07:02):
To a person today, you're like, what the fuck? That's
exactly what everybody looked like.

Speaker 2 (07:07):
She could not be more on point, the on pointiest
point person.

Speaker 1 (07:10):
In the eighties, young girls dressed like they were doing
a middle aged secretary cosplay.

Speaker 2 (07:16):
Yeah, and I don't know why. It was like we
didn't have a choice. I've had divorced mother of three cousboos.

Speaker 1 (07:24):
My friend Heidi Lily God Rest her soul, had a
pair of glasses that were tinted pink on the bottom
and blue on the top in seventh grade, so it
looked like she was wearing blush and eyeshadow, and I
was obsessed with them.

Speaker 2 (07:36):
You know what, so weird? Does he can tell? You
can tell how they got hot? Yeah? You know what
I mean?

Speaker 3 (07:42):
Yes, like you can tell how then later in the eighties,
early nineties, maybe in their early forties they suddenly got
super hot. Yeah, but they but then they show the
dude that they're dating or the lady they're dating, their
photo from high school, and you're all like, what the fuck? Yeah,
but I did? I do want her clothes like that's
my style.

Speaker 1 (08:02):
Yes, that's a nice high neck, like a ruffle neck
haulers blouse made of polyester. There were a lot of
like matching vests in the early eighties.

Speaker 3 (08:11):
They all look like they have too many layers on. Yes, anyway,
there were tons of layers. That show is great. It's
a great show.

Speaker 1 (08:16):
Watch that and I'm sure there's somebody out there that's
watched the whole thing and done. Yeah, your daylight and
a dollar short good fair, fair play.

Speaker 2 (08:25):
I don't think it's fair. I think it's unfair that
we can talk.

Speaker 3 (08:27):
We can talk about it, and I'm like super excited
about it, and other people are like, I finished it,
and I have so many questions about, like, you know,
like who's this, who's that? What happened here? What happened there?

Speaker 2 (08:37):
Because you haven't finished it? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (08:39):
Yeah, the Kid without Teeth, Oh yeah, love him. He's
he's a spinoff in and of himself. Oh my god,
he's a great actor. You know what I love about
that is the opening credits. Yes, they could not be
more eighties. They're so dead on, they're so not unsolved mysteries.
But what was the other one? The like imaginary stories

(09:00):
or someone's yelling at at home when I know they are, Yeah,
it's not.

Speaker 2 (09:04):
It was like creepy stories.

Speaker 1 (09:08):
Not tales from the crypt, No, but it was like
that creepy stories, creepy stories.

Speaker 2 (09:15):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (09:15):
Anyway, it's great, let's start okay, starts podcast. Well, you
know what we're going to do this week, Airy but
Skippers come back.

Speaker 2 (09:26):
Very special episode.

Speaker 1 (09:28):
Today's a very special episode because we have a Gmail
inbox filled with hundreds of hometown murders, hundreds, hundreds, hundreds,
So we've we decided we're going to dig in as
we have been promising to do for a long time,
and just start reading some of them.

Speaker 2 (09:44):
So this is a long form hometown murder episode.

Speaker 1 (09:48):
And it's good because there's a lot of good murders
in there. We're just gonna you're just going to get
a bunch of minis, yeah, at once for your buck.

Speaker 3 (09:57):
And we absolutely didn't text each other this warning and
say I can't I don't have time to find a murder,
and the other.

Speaker 1 (10:04):
One can't do this homework. I have a job today. Yeah,
for one day of my life. It's one hundred degrees outside.
I can't be expected to look on Wikipedia ten minutes
and find our murder.

Speaker 2 (10:17):
Oh no, what about all the people who are finding
us and this is their first episode? They listen, guys,
hang in there, don't give up. Ye starve from the beginning, Yeah,
starve in.

Speaker 1 (10:24):
The beginning, and then let the love build a little
bit before you get to this kind of what is
this episode? Twenty seven twenty seven? Yeah, last was twenty
six sixty six. Yeah, that's right, twenty seven.

Speaker 2 (10:37):
That's weird. It's just weird.

Speaker 3 (10:38):
I like that we always know what episode, how many
episodes we've done, based on just because that's what we
call them.

Speaker 2 (10:44):
Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 3 (10:45):
So I got a bunch so people, people who start
the podcast from the beginning, don't know that. And we
didn't have my favorite murder Gmail then, right, So they
send them.

Speaker 2 (10:56):
To my email address so you don't see them. Oh okay, geez,
are your private hometown?

Speaker 3 (11:01):
Right, which I know that they are not deep into
the podcast when they send send them to my account.

Speaker 2 (11:06):
But I also hide them from you, so we're good. Okay.

Speaker 1 (11:08):
I like to have secrets. You know that we love secrets.
We love them, do you Why don't you start?

Speaker 2 (11:14):
Someone said someone on the Facebook creator is like, I.

Speaker 3 (11:17):
Love the way you guys don't know who's supposed to
go first.

Speaker 2 (11:21):
You're so off every week. Yes, when I'm like it's
really start, Yeah, we're never right. You're never right, guys.

Speaker 1 (11:28):
As much as we love doing this podcast, it's not
like we're that interested.

Speaker 3 (11:32):
In There was a great there was a Rolling Stone article,
thank you very much for that's right, that said, like
they're not big on facts. There they say themselves, there's
a reason they're in the comedy category.

Speaker 1 (11:43):
Yeah, but hey, guess what Rolling Stone you can. You
can throw stones and glasshouses all you want, but you
spelled my name right at the top of the article
and misspelled it in the middle, So guess what you
can get?

Speaker 2 (11:55):
Fuck yourself. We were way off when we started this
podcast by two people who are very complicated for some reason.
Class names, yeah, very compound.

Speaker 3 (12:06):
That's just two fucking words that everyone uses on a
regular goddamn basis, and yet they just don't go next
to each other, according to everyone.

Speaker 2 (12:12):
In the fucking world.

Speaker 1 (12:13):
And I understand mine are the combinations of ours.

Speaker 2 (12:17):
Yeah, there's it's a question that no one's ever gotten it.

Speaker 3 (12:20):
You see it once and you read it, and you're like,
that's that's how you read it.

Speaker 1 (12:24):
It will if you're a copy editor and you check
it once. He had better get the second one they.

Speaker 2 (12:29):
Never got covered by Rolling Stone. Bye.

Speaker 1 (12:33):
That's called biting the hand that feeds you. That's how
this sounds, all right. My first hometoime murder is from
someone named Charlotte and she says, Hi, George and Karen, I.

Speaker 2 (12:46):
Absolutely love the show.

Speaker 1 (12:48):
I have told my sister about your podcast, and she
is now a huge fan.

Speaker 2 (12:51):
Also, thank you, thank you.

Speaker 1 (12:53):
If you have a sister and you haven't told her yet,
oh come on.

Speaker 2 (12:56):
It'll bring you guys together.

Speaker 3 (12:57):
Yeah, instead of being mad at her for throwing a
power be get your head when you were six, Lee,
Lee Hard Star Lee.

Speaker 1 (13:04):
Hard Stark, that's going out to you, then everything's fine.
Instead of being mad at her for chasing you down
the hallway and beating you with a brush. Laura kill
garaff All My Life.

Speaker 2 (13:16):
And our sisters do an episode one week.

Speaker 1 (13:18):
My sister does not listen to this, and every time
she's like, people keep telling me, Like she went to
her high school reunion, she's like, oh my god, people
were telling me they like your podcast, but I don't
even understand what you're doing.

Speaker 2 (13:30):
Like she brings a level of disdain to everything.

Speaker 3 (13:33):
If they can't, if your family can't watch it on
TV and see your name on television, they don't think
you're succeeding.

Speaker 2 (13:39):
Yeah, it doesn't and it doesn't count. No.

Speaker 1 (13:41):
All when are you guys who listen and love hopefully
thanks guys, or listen and judge.

Speaker 2 (13:46):
I'll take anything, love and judge, same thing. Whatever.

Speaker 1 (13:49):
All right, So she said many of the things you
say are thoughts I have, but nobody, but nobody to
really tell them to. Yeah, that understand in parentheses.

Speaker 2 (14:01):
So when I first listened.

Speaker 1 (14:02):
To your podcast, I was like, oh my god, there
are others out there.

Speaker 2 (14:05):
That's exactly right, Charlotte.

Speaker 1 (14:07):
I grew up in a small town of about forty
two hundred south of Kansas City, Missouri. My sister babysat
for a wonderful family, and when she went to college,
I then filled in for her. So this would have
been in nineteen seventy nine or nineteen eighty. I was
thirteen or fourteen years old. Oh, she'd like stranger things,
that's her jam. Sometimes my mom would come over and
visit while I was babysitting, just swing by and say hi,

(14:29):
chat for a bit. This particular time, my mom came
over and by the time she left to go home,
it was dark around ten thirty or so, I thought
I heard a car door, and, thinking it was the
couple I was babysitting for, I went and turned the
front porch light on for them. They didn't come in,
and so I thought, Okay, I guess that was just
another car in the neighborhood. It was around eleven thirty

(14:49):
or twelve when they got home and the husband of
the couple took me home. Around two am, my dad,
Now that's creepy. Now that's creepy. Around two am, my
dad comes in my room, wakes me up and says
that there are two high rate patrol officers downstairs and
they want to talk to what the thought. George's eyes
are as wide as they possibly could be, and she

(15:11):
looks legitimately scared.

Speaker 2 (15:12):
I'm so excited.

Speaker 1 (15:13):
My first thought was, oh, my god, something happened to
one of the kids in their sleep or something like that.
They told us that the next door neighbor, Lyle Norman,
and then in parentheses, is it okay to give names? Yes,
but yes because yes, because this is now a case.
The next door neighbor, Lyle Norman, of the house I
was babysitting at. She means next door to the house

(15:35):
she was babysitting at, had just been murdered in his house.
This same time, I was babysitting next door that wasn't
a car door and asked if I heard or saw
anything strange. Come to find out, the man Lyle had
just been on a cruise and stopped by a bar
or casino or something and picked up a guy and
brought him home. Sorry trying to type this with two cats.

(15:57):
Francy backet for them. Yet it all right, It doesn't anyway.
This guy stabbed Lyle, killing him and probably robbed him,
and they think he left around the ten thirty ish
time when I heard the car door, thinking it was
the couple I was babysitting for. When I turned the
front board. Why, I'm really glad I didn't go outside

(16:18):
and see if it was the couple or not. And
I was just so thankful my mom hadn't run into
the crazy guy when she went out to her car,
and that the kids were okay. That was so sad
to hear Lyle be murdered. I think they ended up
catching the guy. But if you search Lyle Mormon Butler, Missouri,
the story should pop up.

Speaker 3 (16:35):
That's a murderer's name. No wait, no, he's the victim anyways,
that's what I met.

Speaker 1 (16:41):
It sounds like a victim. And then she's got a
second one.

Speaker 2 (16:44):
You want me to read it? I don't. Yes. One
other quick story.

Speaker 1 (16:48):
My husband at the time and I and my daughter
lived out in the country in an old house in
an area where a battle occurred during the Civil War time,
and my husband worked night, so I let my daughter
sleep with me. In the middle of the night, I
hear one of her music boxes fucking playing, that's what
she wrote, fucking playing. It had been played long enough

(17:10):
that it woke me up, and I was pretty heavy
sleeper back then. I'm flipping out, but laid really still
in case it was someone robbing us or something. But
then I thought, why would somebody wind up a music box.
A minute or two later, I hear something fall on
the ground in the other room. I laid awake forever,
didn't want to leave my daughter alone in bed, and
had my hand on this heavy lamp in case I
needed it to protect me, and she with it. The

(17:32):
next morning, I slowly walk into the next room, where
there's a sturdy coat rack that had a shelf above
it that I had books and heavy flowerpot on it.
The books were on the ground, the flower pot was
still on the shelf. There wasn't any way the cat
could have gotten on the shelf. Then I go to
my daughter's bedroom and see where her music boxes were.
They were all on a shelf that won along one wall,

(17:53):
and the shelf was up near the ceiling and an
adult could reach it with a chair, but she couldn't
have reached it and hadn't played with them in forever.
Then we find a piece of raw chicken on a
paper plate on the kitchen counter, and none of us
put it there.

Speaker 2 (18:07):
No, I'm going to say ghost.

Speaker 1 (18:09):
A friend built a house down the road years later
and said they walked in their living room one evening
and an old woman was sitting up.

Speaker 2 (18:17):
Rock out chair.

Speaker 1 (18:18):
Bye, Karen, was no sewing you no doubt the area
is haunted.

Speaker 2 (18:22):
Raw chicken though, That's like that suddenly took a turn
for the.

Speaker 1 (18:25):
Yeah, raw chicken is. Yeah, I'm not Maybe it was
a cat. Maybe it was a really, really, really smart
cat that loved music.

Speaker 2 (18:33):
You know what? Go on?

Speaker 1 (18:34):
Oh she just ends it by saying, last crazy thing,
if you google people in the eighteen hundreds posing with
dead bodies, Holy shit, that's fucked up. Anyway, Take care,
stay safe. Thanks for letting me share, Charlotte.

Speaker 2 (18:47):
She's good. Good job, Charlotte.

Speaker 3 (18:49):
Jennivo tell you so. I totally don't believe in ghosts.
If they exist, fine, I'm not going to argue it.
But when I was a little kid, I was in bed.
I had insomnia. It was like I woke up like
three in the morning.

Speaker 2 (19:00):
I was lying there in bed, and I saw and
we had like a we had like a closet that
like on roller doors. Yes, the one just opened. One
of the closets just opened while you were lying there
looking at it.

Speaker 3 (19:11):
And I wouldn't have cats yet because my parents were
still married and that wasn't a thing. Yes, So like
I just got all the courage in my life and
ran to my parents' room.

Speaker 2 (19:20):
But I totally saw the I saw it open.

Speaker 1 (19:22):
Oh my god, did I tell you the story about
when my sister and I both heard breathing outside. It
was summer, it was like hot like it is right now,
and so my sister and I both had our windows
open in our rooms and our rooms the hallway went
down in an L shape, so like my room, my
sister's room, it turned left, and then my parents like

(19:42):
the master bedroom is the end of that, okay, And
my sister droom is directly across from my parents. So
I'm laying in my bed and my sister's laying in
her bed. Everybody's asleep, but the light's still on in
my parents' room, and we hear footsteps in the tan
bark outside of our windows, and heavy breathing like and
footsteps like slow footsteps. I'm laying there. I freeze. It's

(20:07):
the scariest thing. Like all the hair on on the
back of my neck goes up. And I'm laying there
and I'm like, I can't be hearing this. I'm probably asleep.
And then I see my sister bolt across my doorway
into my parents' room like really fast, Oh my god,
And so I get up and run in there too,
and my.

Speaker 2 (20:23):
Sister's like, there's somebody outside. There's somebody in the tan bark.

Speaker 1 (20:26):
Like there's you know, tan bark. It's that stuff that's
like wood chips, big woodchip, melch mulch mulch. Yes, but
it's big and it's dry. So they use it like
on playgrounds a lot and hear it. Yes, if you
walk through it is a crunchy sound. And that's like
all the all the landscaping in front of our windows

(20:47):
was all that tan bark and hedges. So my dad
pulls open the night stand drawer, pulls out a switch blade,
flicks it open. I'd never seen that knife before. I'd
never seen him open that, and he never talked about it,
waiting for this opportunity. He was like, yeah, he knew
goes outside. It's a Golden Retriever.

Speaker 2 (21:09):
I did not expected to this heavy.

Speaker 1 (21:13):
It was the scariest and then it turned out to
be it was like some neighbor's golden retriever guy, but it.

Speaker 2 (21:19):
Just wand it was like it was like the dog
that was the nicest dog.

Speaker 1 (21:23):
It was an old, slow, hot, bummed out golden Retriever Angel.
I'm sorry, sorry, my dad cut you. So your dad
slid us throat duck him with the knife to teach
him a lesson. Don't come around our property. Oh that
was amazing.

Speaker 2 (21:40):
Okay, now you guys, Okay, I'm gonna start. I'm gonna
here's what I'm gona do. I'm gonna start. I'm gonna
start mellow to keep you motherfuckers just stay around because
sometimes I'll i'll.

Speaker 3 (21:49):
Like tune into these podcasts. It's like a listener shit,
and I'm like, oh, it's gonna be boring. I came
here to listen to you guys talk, right, So no,
I'm gonna I'm gonna go slow.

Speaker 1 (21:57):
So wait, so you're starting your in fear that people
think it's boring or starting mellow, that you.

Speaker 2 (22:05):
Want to you want to catch them in.

Speaker 3 (22:06):
They're all good, Okay, all right, I'm gonna I'm gonna
start good.

Speaker 2 (22:09):
I'm not questioning you. I'm just clarifying you are. But
you are correct. Okay, okay, okay. I just want to say,
but it's correct.

Speaker 3 (22:17):
So Samantha M says, So I have one of the
creepiest hometown murder stories.

Speaker 2 (22:23):
At first, it never occurred to me.

Speaker 3 (22:24):
Then I remembered this horrible quadruple murder that happened while
growing up. I went to elementary, elementary, junior in high
school with these identical twins. They were a great older
than me, so I never had a class with them,
but it wouldn't have mattered anyway. They didn't associate with
anyone from school, didn't go to parties, weren't allowed to
go to dances, and didn't even speak to anyone besides

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each other. They eight lunch alone at a table to themselves.

Speaker 2 (22:50):
Identical twins. Identical twins.

Speaker 3 (22:52):
They were of Middle Eastern descent, so I assume their
parents were simply strict. The odd thing about them, however,
is that they dressed and this is in all caps
identical every single day the entire time I knew them,
this beginning from kindergarten to graduation. And when I say identical,
I mean everything from their hair, berrets, to their watches, socks,
and shoes match.

Speaker 2 (23:12):
Never missed a day. We know where this is going.
It was a Golden Retriever.

Speaker 1 (23:19):
They were both older Retrievers. You know, Golden Retrievers love
to match.

Speaker 2 (23:25):
It was two olden Retrievers on each other's shoulders with
a trench. Go.

Speaker 3 (23:29):
Anyways, we all graduated and never saw them again. Their
parents were very wealthy. They lived in this gated community
in the mansions of San Clemente at Orange County, where
I'm from, very rich people, where their mom's best friend lives.
I actually where my mom's best friend lives. I actually
did my pictures for my wedding and got ready at
her house, the mom's house.

Speaker 2 (23:50):
Because it's so beautiful and overlooks the ocean.

Speaker 3 (23:52):
The girls were still living at home and attending college
when this happened.

Speaker 2 (23:55):
Family members approached police.

Speaker 3 (23:56):
Saying that they hadn't heard from the girls and their
parents for a while and it was a usual. They
police did a perimeter search and stated that maybe they
had gone on vacation.

Speaker 2 (24:06):
Yeah wrong.

Speaker 3 (24:07):
Per protocol, they were not allowed to break in yet.
The next week the family passed the police against stating
that this was highly unusual for them not to let
anyone know they had left. I believe it was two
or more perimeter checks before police finally broke in, at
which time the smell was so bad that they had
to have people come in with scuba masks. Oh no,

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the bodies were so badly decomposed. It took a while
to find the cause of death, but they were able
to determine that the entire family was wearing black. No
evidence of a struggle was present. The girls were lying
next to each other in bed, the grandmother was on
a lounge chair, and the parents were in their closet.
Eventually they determined the girls and grandmother died of a

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prescription drug overdose, and the parents went in the closet
where their mother shot the husband. Where the mother shot
the husband and then killed herself. Oh, the whole thing
was super creepy and made me realize how you never
really know what goes on a person's life behind closed doors.
I feel bad for what kind of lives these girls
must have had in spite of their outwards aside of
money and privilege.

Speaker 2 (25:07):
Hope to hear more of you guys. Oh, thank you, Samantha.
That's so sad. Samantha, that's intense.

Speaker 1 (25:15):
Although I have to say I understand what she means
by saying you never know what goes on.

Speaker 2 (25:20):
Behind closed doors.

Speaker 1 (25:21):
But I think you had a slight indication with people
who dressed exactly.

Speaker 2 (25:27):
Like each other from kindergarten to through high school.

Speaker 3 (25:30):
And if I had twins, one of their heads would
be shaved their entire life.

Speaker 2 (25:34):
That ever cut their hair. That's a good idea, right,
And maybe you're the girl. Yeah, and then they psychologically
be fine from the not out. If you scar them early,
nothing else can hurt them, right, because they don't know
any different.

Speaker 1 (25:47):
And that scarred it was like a mini Heaven's Gate. Yeah,
that's so intense.

Speaker 3 (25:53):
It is weird, you know, And you think I did
this a lot where I think back to kids I
went to elementary school with, and I'm like, oh, man,
I bet you had some fuck like your shit was
real fucked up.

Speaker 1 (26:03):
And you I just thank god that I was so
ignorant and just I thought, well, back then, I thought
everyone had the life I had. I remember asking my teacher,
Our Ellen Lesher, who was my grammar school teacher and
family friend, so sad.

Speaker 2 (26:20):
She put me to.

Speaker 1 (26:20):
Bed one night when she was over having dinner with
my parents, and I wanted her to come and tuck
me in, and so she said, do you like She
asked me if I had any question I could ask.
She told me I could ask her anything. She did
an ame with me. She did it analog ame and

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I asked her, I said, there's a little girl in
my class. Let's just say her name was Sarah Jane.
And I said, why is Sarah Jane's face always dirty?
And I was saying it like because I thought, you know,
she was going to give me some answer, and she said.

Speaker 2 (26:53):
Because she doesn't have anybody to clean it for her.

Speaker 1 (26:56):
And as a fourth grader, I just started crying in
my bed.

Speaker 2 (27:01):
I had no idea. I had no idea that anybody
would live that way.

Speaker 1 (27:05):
No, and that, I mean, that's how intensely privileged and like,
and you know Shelter olives.

Speaker 3 (27:14):
Yes, I know that Robert, this kid in my class,
like everyone made fun of him because he smelled bad
And are the same clothes all the time. And now
I'm like, oh, your mom was a hoarder and couldn't
have like I clearly understand now that's it wasn't your
fucking choice not to be like that, and you got
made fun of and that's I hope he's okay.

Speaker 1 (27:31):
Well that's yeah, and kids don't have a choice, like
that's that's the one good thing I always make jokes about,
like we need to bring bullying back, but I am
totally joking, uh in that way that like kids don't
kids get attacked by other kids for things that they
that are not their fault. Yeah, and it really sucks
because it's a thing they're already suffering by Yeah, I

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got it.

Speaker 3 (27:53):
I got it, and I did to other people like
as much as I want to be, Like, I was
a nerd and made fun of a lot like well,
I deflected my my by making fun of other people,
like yeah, I wasn't better than the popular kids making
fun of me, Like.

Speaker 2 (28:05):
Then you shouldn't have a podcast. Well no, I was.

Speaker 1 (28:10):
I same here, And that's because it's mob rules. You
don't want to be the target. You have to make
sure someone else stays the target.

Speaker 2 (28:17):
So it's not you.

Speaker 3 (28:17):
I wish I'm I was like Matilda or like those
kids and movies where you're like they stand up for
kids who are underdogs and make friends with them.

Speaker 2 (28:24):
It's like, no, I was kind of a dick too.
I mean, that's the majority of people. I think. All
we can do now is have a great podcast. That's
the only thing we can do now is podcast of
the world. Okay, Karen, you go Terterrisa sent us this.
It says, Hello, ladies. I started listening. I have very
sibilant ssays. I've noticed this lately on the podcast What

(28:45):
You Went in to Wear? This is not close. This
is me talking. My SS's are very sharp s. Is
it because mine are so soft? No?

Speaker 1 (28:54):
No, I think it's because my teeth are floating and
moving around in my mouth. That's a great So there's
some kind of like I keep anyway, there's there's a
new corner. There's a level of self consciousness. Oh for
sure that I need to get rid of, because who
gives a fuck? Oh my God of the day, it's
just you and I. I know, it's just you and

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I and my asses. Hello, ladies, I just started listening
to your podcast. This week, and I haven't gotten all
the way through the episodes yet, so I hope this
isn't a duplicate. So do I Carl Larissa? Anyway, I
have not one, but two hometown murders for you. The
first one is just plain horrifying. It happened in a
house that is almost directly across the street from me,

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and the killer was Megan Huntsman. She has been charged
with killing and hiding six newborn babies.

Speaker 2 (29:42):
In her garage.

Speaker 1 (29:43):
Oh fuck, somehow, and I'm still trying to figure this out.
She managed to hide seven pregnancies over a decade.

Speaker 2 (29:52):
She never went to the hospital. No one knew what
was going on.

Speaker 1 (29:54):
Apparently she would give birth, strangler or suffocate the baby,
wrap bodies in garbage bags, store the box in her garage.
She left the corpses when she moved away the shit.
The police found seven dead babies, but only six had
been murdered. The last one was born stillborn. Her husband
is the one who found the corpses.

Speaker 2 (30:16):
Oh, he didn't even know two.

Speaker 1 (30:18):
He had spent eight years in prison for drugs and
when he got out he went to the house to
clear it out and get ready for the rent. Get
it ready for rental, and he said the garbage smelled,
garage smelled horrible, and he had a friend to help
him clean out the garage to figure out where the
smell was coming from. What I don't get is the
fact that he was there in the house with her
during the times those babies were born and subsequently murdered. Well,

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it doesn't sound like he was if he was in
prison for eight years, his babies were they well, yeah,
I mean that might be why she had to kill them,
But Jesus Christ, he claims he had no idea she
was pregnant or had babies, and the police decided not
to charge them with anything. She pled guilty to six
counts of murder and has been sentenced to life prison.
She has three surviving children. Oh no, Oh, that's the

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scariest thing I ever read. Intense therapy immediately and claimed
she was too addicted to meth.

Speaker 2 (31:10):
Oh take care of more.

Speaker 3 (31:12):
Isn't it funny how many like fucking together people are
trying so hard to have a goddamn baby. Then these
fucking people who have meth and kill the babies. Oh,
six in a row.

Speaker 2 (31:23):
Anyway, that's my homeown murder story. Hope you enjoyed it.

Speaker 1 (31:26):
Thanks, Clarissa. I'm sorry I keep saying Clarisa, It'schurissa, Churissa
with an age that was intense. That was crazy. She
didn't include two stories.

Speaker 2 (31:39):
It was just one. That's that's enough.

Speaker 1 (31:41):
We love you, Terarissa. Yeah, that was that was murders.
Uh two murders.

Speaker 2 (31:46):
Do you know anyone try to hide their pregnancy?

Speaker 1 (31:48):
No?

Speaker 2 (31:49):
Will you? Did you? When you want? Your high school
got pregnant.

Speaker 1 (31:52):
One person got pregnant and she just carried it, had it?

Speaker 2 (31:56):
We had one to everyone knew. Fucked up? How you
I don't even know, Well, you know what's crazy.

Speaker 1 (32:03):
It's just that thing and maybe it's it's slowly changing now.
But like they never I went to a Catholic high school,
so you weren't they weren't allowed to teach about birth control.

Speaker 2 (32:12):
But of course kids were having sex.

Speaker 1 (32:14):
So the whole thing was this, It was like getting
away with the ultimate risk?

Speaker 2 (32:18):
Is what all the kids were doing?

Speaker 3 (32:20):
Having sex as the risk of pregnancy, like because basically
as a condom?

Speaker 1 (32:27):
Well no, no they did, but I mean I'm sure
there's some that probably convinced each other they didn't need to.

Speaker 2 (32:33):
Yeah, the rhythm method.

Speaker 1 (32:36):
But I mean, like once, once that happens, then you're
then you're in that group where it's it's like I
think kids those at least I feel like and maybe
it's just because I was so naive and didn't really
know what was going on, but like that that's the
risk you really you're basically about to become a pariah
if you become a teen mom, because that's I mean,

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and I'm that's not my opinion. I'm saying that's how
you end up like in the eyes of your small town.

Speaker 3 (33:05):
I mean, this is I'll say this about so many things.
Skin of my teeth or my fucking hormones were jacked
that I didn't have to get pregnant as a kid,
I like, not a kid, but you know what I mean, yes,
teenage as a young person. Yeah, skin of my teeth
or my woman's ruined either way the way, God bless them. There,

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Thank you guys. So let's say I'm gonna pick another one. Okay,
all right, this is from Leonard Leonard. It's up Leonard.
So my hometown murder story happened in my high school days.
I was coming home from a basketball practice later than
I normally would have. And as I came to the
corner to walk to my block, I see half a
dozen cop cars surrounding my best friend's house. Lights are

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flashing everywhere, and I see my friend in the back
of one car, his brother in another car. I'm assuming
he needs cop cars, And on the stairs leading up
to the house on the opposite corner a female body
not fucking moving. I'm like, what the fuck is going on?
So later I come to find out that my friend's
dad eventually got evidently gotten too an argument with his

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wife and began all Caps stabbing her over and over.
My friend was home and tried to save her and
fought off his father. I repeat, fought off his father
after stabbing his mother, and he took off in his
car and escaped.

Speaker 2 (34:28):
Meanwhile, the mom.

Speaker 3 (34:29):
Is still fucking alive and gets out of the house
and staggers to the neighbor's house, but collapses before reaching
the door, and.

Speaker 2 (34:36):
All Caps dies dies at the neighbors Did Jesus.

Speaker 3 (34:40):
So Yeah, first and only time seeing a dead body,
not at a funeral. So my friend and his brother
eventually get cleared and released, and the media picks up
on the murder and calls him the killer dentist, and
then he says, guess what his job was? And he's
a fugitive for like three to four days.

Speaker 2 (34:58):
So dad is fucking gone.

Speaker 3 (35:00):
News breaks that he was found in the next state
over committed suicide in the motel and left a note.
Oh no, memory is fuzzy, but he and his wife
were separating, and he had been sleeping on the couch
for some time. And what I clearly remember, though, was me,
my friend and his dad soon to be murdered murderer
eating at fucking chillis like a week before it went down.

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And to be a goddamn cliche, I honestly did not
see it coming.

Speaker 2 (35:25):
He was the nicest guy, et cetera. Ex oh man,
he wrote, et cetera, et cetera.

Speaker 3 (35:30):
So yeah, friend and his brother moved to Florida to
live with extended family, and it's nearly a decade before
they moved back home.

Speaker 2 (35:36):
That story was legit true. Feel free to check it out.

Speaker 3 (35:39):
Late nineties, early two thousands, Leonard, I believe you. I'd
love to know what you guys, what you think, even
if you don't read it on your show. Exclamation mark, Well,
guess what Leonard, But if you do give me a
heads up, I'm weird and I'm listening to your old
shows from episode one on again thanks to reading, and
don't get murdered.

Speaker 2 (35:57):
Wow, thanks Leonard. Leonard said, a chill wouldn't know what
he ate? Is that weird? Well? Blumin Onion? Is that there?
Uh is blumin onion outback steakhouse? Something? I think it is?
But yeah, it could have been an awesome blosso awesome blossom. Wait, no,
that might be that's out back? Is that out back? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (36:16):
I've had one of them at one of those places,
but I can't remember which one or where.

Speaker 2 (36:20):
Let's do the thing.

Speaker 3 (36:21):
Remember when we said that if we hit like whatever,
some some like arbitrary number, we were going to go
eat at a steakhouse. Oh yeah, let's do the next
arbitrary number. We'll go eat it at Chili's.

Speaker 2 (36:33):
Let's do that. We're not gonna do either of those things.
We can't.

Speaker 1 (36:38):
Here's why I used to love Chili's because I think
they're the ones that had queso, which is like that
amazing cheese. It's not your cheese, but it's like when
they melt it and there's some meat in.

Speaker 2 (36:50):
There and chili's.

Speaker 1 (36:52):
Yeah, in there, it's a little bit spicy, not the
whole restaurant.

Speaker 2 (36:55):
They give you chips, right, one thousand chips. It's the best.
When I fucking when I.

Speaker 3 (37:00):
Get a cheese plate, which is very often, or guacamole,
and they don't give you enough bread or chips, it's
a it's a fucking conspiracy.

Speaker 1 (37:08):
Yeah, that's not cool. Also it's bread, Like, how expensive
could it be? Yeah, it's gonna go bad tomorrow anyway,
and throw it on there.

Speaker 3 (37:15):
And then I was like, can we get a little
more bread? And the waiters let me see what I
can do?

Speaker 2 (37:19):
Oh yeah, walking bread flowed me that favor.

Speaker 3 (37:22):
Yeah, then I'll give you twenty six percent instead of
the normal twenty three.

Speaker 2 (37:26):
That which is why I don't have money. That's not true.
I'm on a tangent. I love it.

Speaker 1 (37:32):
That's intense. I love when there's first person involvement in these.
It just makes it exciting to me. All right, next
to you another one? Yeah, well, because that reminds me.
The dentist reminds me. There was a couple ones. H

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the killer dentist. Guess what his.

Speaker 2 (37:57):
Professional one of us? Oh, this is a good one. Okay,
this is from Cody.

Speaker 1 (38:04):
And the title the subject line is all the way
from Australia. Hello of NATO. Sorry sorry they're coding high ladies,
Hey ladies, I love your podcast. In Australia, during the
sixties we had a lot of child murderers.

Speaker 3 (38:21):
Australia is legit with murders. I said that to someone
recently that was from Australia. I was like, you guys
have a lot of great murders and they were like
what they were like, goodbye bye. On the Dan Neil
Armstrong took a Step on the Moon.

Speaker 1 (38:36):
Well, the TV aired Man Walking on the Moon could
be a sound studio, could be real life. I'm not
making any claims. This is not that podcast. Awesome. Two children,
Shane Spiller and Yvonne Towey went on a picnic.

Speaker 2 (38:51):
A man jumped out grabbed Chewey.

Speaker 1 (38:53):
Spiller was able to fight him off with a hatchet
and run away to get help.

Speaker 2 (38:57):
Why did he have a hatchet? They were on an
axe picnic, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (39:02):
He was able to describe the car and a naval
sticker on the car. It was too late, though, as
they had found Tooey's body horrifically murdered. The cops then
drove to the naval base with Spiller in the car
and Spiller I d'd the car. The police entered the
naval base and found Derek Percy literally red handed, washing

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his bloody clothes. This guy is linked to multiple child
murders and he is considered one of Australia's worst serial killers.
Derek Percy got to look him up.

Speaker 2 (39:33):
D E. R E C. K Any who flashed forward
to two thousand and two. Hey line, thousands.

Speaker 1 (39:41):
Of kilometers away whatever that means, thousands of kilometers away.
Spiller had been living close to my home in very small,
close knit community for ages then, and he then suddenly
disappeared in two thousand and two and has not been
heard of since. And this is the witness that it's
the survivor of two children fucked up. Yeah, and he

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probably just got discovered there and was like see you later.
I Google search Derek Percy. He is linked to so
many child murders. Most notably, he had a notebook with
the beach that the three Beaumont siblings went missing at circles.

Speaker 3 (40:18):
I've always wanted to do the Ballmont siblings, but it's
so it goes nowhere, it goes nowhere.

Speaker 1 (40:22):
It's they it's three kids who walked to the beach
very close to their house, something they did all the time.

Speaker 3 (40:29):
And it was in the seventies, right, But they were
seen talking to like a young surfer guy. Yeah, and
then they just fucking off the face of the earth
and never heard from no trace. Three of them, like
three earl and two boys.

Speaker 2 (40:42):
I don't know. I think it was there was a
girl and there were boys. I don't know. Yes, yes, I.

Speaker 1 (40:48):
Had the same exact feeling about that case where I
think that podcast that has a girl and two guys.

Speaker 3 (40:55):
Oh, not generating. I always think it's Generation Why. But
it's shoot, fuck there. I think they're out of Portland.
They did a really good one.

Speaker 1 (41:03):
Yeah on this, I'm pretty sure anyway, Sorry, guys, you
need to look this up.

Speaker 2 (41:08):
She'd like giving them a shout out. It's like what
in the what do you know? It's like a question phrase. So,
and that's why I think it's Generation Why all the time,
but it's not. I'll read the rest of this while
you look that egg.

Speaker 1 (41:19):
But also it came out that his mother is an
upstanding citizen who destroyed evidence for him, all that mother
and some bond cute parentheses. Fucking douchebag.

Speaker 2 (41:30):
Love you guys. PS.

Speaker 1 (41:31):
Yes, I'm a girl, even though my name sounds like
a dude's name. Thank you, dude, Cody. That was an
awesome email, very awesome, very awesome.

Speaker 2 (41:40):
I love that. Derek.

Speaker 1 (41:42):
I'm looking up, Derek Percy. I'm looking at That's a
really good one. I'm looking at. I'm here, I am
looking at things here.

Speaker 2 (41:48):
I am here. I am kind of a cunt. What
is it?

Speaker 3 (41:54):
That's a new one. One's yelling it at home, and
I'm so sorry. You know what, We'll find it by
the end. Okay, what if we do that way? Well,
instagram it?

Speaker 1 (42:06):
Yes, so you read yours in then I'll Okay your turn, Karen, No, no,
I just read it.

Speaker 2 (42:11):
I just it's your turn to look. Oh you ignore me. No,
I was just I'm drinking too much. Bolet it's your turn.
Can I tell you about this wine that Vince heard
that Eric Andre I'm not Eric Andre.

Speaker 3 (42:24):
Andre the Giant was really into bog which is like
a cheap white wine. Yeah, I mean red wine. God,
damn it, you got it.

Speaker 2 (42:34):
You got this thing?

Speaker 3 (42:35):
He so he like Vince, never liked red wine, and
he hunted down Bou because Andre the Giant was into it.

Speaker 2 (42:41):
And now we drunk. Do you love it?

Speaker 1 (42:43):
It's actually really good. I actually love the word boole.
It sounds like you're trying to be fancy.

Speaker 2 (42:49):
It sounds like the eighties. Yeah, all right, it really does.
I'm gonna I'm gonna do a long one. Okay. This
is from Angie. She says.

Speaker 3 (43:00):
In my hometown, when I was sixteen, there was an
entire family murdered by this seventeen year old son. He
went to my high school, rode the bus with me
when he went to my neighbor's house. Neighbor is loserm
from from Country. He lived about two miles away, and
the sister he murdered used to hang out in the
quote band hallway every day, which is why I knew her.

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My mom was a cop for the city of Grand Rapids,
Grand Rapids, and on her way home that night, she
came upon the murder and called me to see if
I knew anyone who lived in the house. It was
about four miles away from our home and on a
very busy road. The murder wasn't in her jurisdiction, but
she was a prominent police officer, and new county officers

(43:41):
who were she.

Speaker 2 (43:42):
Stopped to help.

Speaker 3 (43:43):
Naturally, she wouldn't tell me any of the details because
she fiercely protected her daughters from the horrible things she
saw that they desperately wanted to know about. Upon reflection,
maybe this is why I became obsessed with true crime.
Lucky for me, I lived in a small on a
town that rumor.

Speaker 2 (44:01):
Spread and details leaked out about the murders from other
people who knew the cops that worked the case. The
story goes like this.

Speaker 3 (44:08):
John Seasling, seventeen years old, got into a fight with
his mother and his sister, Caitlyn fourteen. He claims he
blacked out and when he woke up, they were all murdered,
including his eight year old's sister in her bed, and
he was covered in blood. He called the police and
said that, oh Jesus, here we go. He said, two

(44:29):
black guys robbed them and murdered his family, but he was.

Speaker 2 (44:33):
Able to get away. And then and she writes, those
pesky black guys always committing those mass murders.

Speaker 3 (44:40):
Yeah, I mean, come the fuck on. Then he confessed
that the killings. Once the police arrived. However, apparently he
beat his mother in Katelynton baseball bats and stabbed them
with large kitchen knives. He also, apparently, oh fuck ready
for this, he also apparently raped his fourteen year old's
sister with oh no said baseball bat oh. Cops who

(45:02):
worked the murder apparently vomited when they got there and
say that it was the worst crime scene they had
ever come upon. Blood everywhere. The worst part, and she says,
maybe it's all pretty horrible, is that he made his
youngest sister go lay in her I don't, and then
he did. Thinks he'd slid her throat. Another pretty awful

(45:22):
part is that we heard Caitlin got away from him
and ran out to the street, but he dragged her
back and they found blood streaks across the ground. The
most horrible part about this is that the road they
lived on was right by the highway and nearly always busy.

Speaker 2 (45:37):
No one saw this.

Speaker 3 (45:38):
Somehow, he used to have a weird He used to
have weirdo fantasies about coming upon the scene and saving her.
No way, I'm sorry, I used to have weirdo fantasies
about coming upon the scene and saving that's not weirdo,
that makes sense. No, that's those are my fantasies and
why I'm going to therapy. Yeah, the murder stayed with
me a while.

Speaker 1 (45:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (45:57):
School the next day was so eerie and quiet. Everyone
knew what how, and everyone had stories about John and Caitlin.
John was weird that much, I knew, And in the
weeks after the murder, when we all talked about it,
I couldn't remember if I actually ever talked to John
or not. In my memory now, he used to say
weird shits me on the bus, but honestly, lots of
dudes in my small poduc town were weirdos. We still

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all talk about the murder, and I will still hear
new rumors about what he did and why. He always
claimed he was abused by both his mother and father,
and his mother and sister just made him angry. Some
people thought it was because he was a Satanist when
he admitted to being Wickan, and other people talked about
hearing him say he wanted to kill his family, but
no one took him seriously.

Speaker 2 (46:38):
Just awful.

Speaker 3 (46:38):
I recently heard twelve years later about the cops vomiting
everywhere the last line in that article is upsetting. He
had some advice for people, don't abuse your children or
they might kill you. Well, I mean he's right, but
did they abuse him?

Speaker 2 (46:55):
Well? Yeah, I feel like they had abused him. He
wouldn't have. He would have just killed them. You mean
instead of like raping the sister. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (47:04):
I feel like the right to your sister and slipping
the throat of an eight year old is you're something's
wrong with you for sure?

Speaker 1 (47:12):
Yeah, because they didn't abuse him now and it has
nothing to do with it's not revenge.

Speaker 2 (47:17):
It's not revenge.

Speaker 1 (47:18):
Yeah, it's it's you just or at least it's not
revenge in the story you're telling it. It doesn't line up.

Speaker 2 (47:23):
It doesn't. Fuck. That's intense. Did you find it?

Speaker 1 (47:27):
I did.

Speaker 2 (47:27):
It's Thinking Sideway.

Speaker 1 (47:29):
It's Steve, Devin and Joe's podcast, Thinking Sideways. It's a
really good if you like here's the thing. If you
like facts, if you like really well researched stories and
deeply researched stories, this is your podcast.

Speaker 3 (47:44):
Like all Sideways, but also opinions. Yes, they all have opinions,
which is fun.

Speaker 1 (47:49):
Well, it's a really good discussion because it seems like
they do it the way we do it, where like
the I listened to a couple and it's like people.

Speaker 2 (47:56):
They ask each other questions as they talk through the case.

Speaker 3 (47:59):
One who sounds like a radio host from the forties. Yeah,
it is amazing. I don't know who's who.

Speaker 2 (48:05):
I don't either. It's a really good podcast though.

Speaker 3 (48:08):
I'm Georgia and that's Karen in case you don't know
who's whom? Uh, Okay, you want to go? Why don't
we both do one more? Sure we're at fifteen minutes.

Speaker 2 (48:18):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, we'll reach do one more. Okay, let's see.

Speaker 1 (48:23):
There's a really good one that I had in here
marked in here about an ophthalmologist, but I'm not going
to search for it.

Speaker 2 (48:28):
Okay, do you want to read one of mine? I
didn't really want to take one of these. No, I
have a couple, I have a couple of marks. I
just I'll go straight into axe murders.

Speaker 3 (48:39):
Hey, Elvis is standing by, Like Elvis can tell when
this is wrapping up.

Speaker 2 (48:44):
Basically, my presence means treats to him and you guys,
hear that dog barking? Yes we can all right? What
oh we did it? It's too Chatty, it's not your time.

Speaker 1 (49:04):
Yet, you're too early. All right, ready, yeah, Mollie subject
line Axe murders.

Speaker 2 (49:11):
Yay, Okay.

Speaker 1 (49:11):
So I literally started listening this morning. The show is amazing.
I love true crime. I think you guys are really funny.
I wanted to share my hometown murder with you too.
So in nineteen eighty eight in Rochester, Minnesota, that's Emmen right.

Speaker 2 (49:26):
Oh, oh, you know I didn't say that.

Speaker 3 (49:28):
I didn't say the initials of the the last Grand
Rapids Missician. Yeah, because that wasn't sure, because you were afraid.
That's where my husband's from. Anyway, Come fine.

Speaker 2 (49:39):
I'm the worst.

Speaker 1 (49:39):
It's the fear that's keeping us from It's fear, it's
all it is. I'm pretty sure Emmen is Minnesotota. Yeah,
in Rochester, Menissa. This sixteen year old named David Bram
killed his mom, dad, little sister.

Speaker 2 (49:53):
And little brother.

Speaker 1 (49:54):
He got in a fight with his dad over the
music he listened to. David was a goth kid going
to Catholic school.

Speaker 2 (50:01):
What was he listening? It was like something stupid. We
were like, they're not even that go what was it?
Eight to eight state?

Speaker 1 (50:05):
His dad told him not to listen to whatever music
he was listening to, and David got pissed. When most
of his family was sleeping. His older brother Joe, wasn't
home that night. He took an axe from the basement
and attacked his family. If I remember correctly, he killed
his dad first. His mom woke up. At one point.
His mom had defensive wounds on her arms from the axe.

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David went to school the next day, bragging to his
friends about what he did when no one could find him.
Later on, his friends went to school administration. They in
turn called the cops, who went into the home found
the dead bodies. They didn't find David until the evening,
two miles from the school, in a phone booth at

(50:47):
the post office less than a mile from the house
I grew up in.

Speaker 2 (50:50):
Was he just hanging out? It doesn't say, but he
was dead.

Speaker 1 (50:54):
I wasn't alive during this time, but my dad called
my mom at least a couple times to make sure
she was okay. During the man he was just in
the phone booth. I thought he killed himself in the
No no, no, no, he was just he was trying
to make calls or something. They basically found him there, okay,
so it was a man hunt, huh, and the last
thing there was it was terrifying. David is still in
prison and is eligible for parole in twenty forty one.

(51:17):
His brother Joe has passed away in the past couple
of years, so he doesn't have any family left. I
honestly don't think he'll be released from prison, but stranger
things have happened.

Speaker 2 (51:27):
Sorry, this was so long, wanted to share it. Love
the show Molly. That wasn't Molly, It was not long.

Speaker 1 (51:34):
What is it with these that's there's a couple of
these kind of stories of like hich boys, teenage boys
trying to deal with all their chemicals outside and.

Speaker 2 (51:43):
In hormones anger.

Speaker 3 (51:46):
Especially back in the I feel like there was such
a switch from the baby baby boomers to like the
gen xers, and that there was like there was not
They didn't understand each other, no, not at all, and
they didn't tolerate each other.

Speaker 1 (52:00):
And I will say, as a person growing up in
the eighties, boys at least at my school got the
shit beaten out of them every single day. Yeah, there
were some bullies at my school that were downright terrifying.

Speaker 3 (52:10):
And it was and like hitting your spankings and belt
whippings were like you being a good parent.

Speaker 2 (52:17):
Yeah, I got fucking spanked with wooden spoons? Did you really?

Speaker 1 (52:21):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (52:22):
It sucked.

Speaker 3 (52:23):
And now I look at my nephews and I'm like,
thought of fucking beating them up with an odd like
hitting them? Yeah, violence against children to teach them not
to do something.

Speaker 1 (52:35):
Your parents spanked, because a lot of times that's what
normalizes it.

Speaker 2 (52:39):
My dad was definitely abused by his father.

Speaker 3 (52:43):
Oh left the home after heat by punching his father
in the face and then walked out and wow and
never came back.

Speaker 2 (52:50):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (52:51):
But my mom, I don't know. My mom wasn't Wow,
but she was the one who spanked us. It's all
coming out on my favorite. It happened to a lot
And how mom and I are friends?

Speaker 2 (53:03):
Yeah? Good.

Speaker 1 (53:03):
It happened to so many people, I think because my
mom had a super rotten childhood herself. She was she
was like, there's there was never any hitting, and there
was always like a you know, discourse.

Speaker 2 (53:17):
But yeah, my mom.

Speaker 1 (53:19):
They also were still eighties parents and like my always
went on cruises constantly.

Speaker 3 (53:23):
My mom was a single mother of three oh children
under ten. Oh, so like what else are you going
to do then, like grab kitchen utensils and just beat.

Speaker 2 (53:31):
The shit out of here. Yeah, lose your fucking mind
and do your best. Birth control. This, this episode of
my murder has been brought to you by birth control
any kind. You can get your hands on scraps, just
use it, all right, I'm going to read one by.

Speaker 3 (53:48):
Let's see here, all right, let's do wait, okay, okay,
this one's good. Okay, Kyleen rights. This story makes the
hair on my arms stand up. Rarely are we confronted
with the realization that we so easily could never have
been born. Oh, when she was twenty years old, my

(54:08):
mother went on a date with a serial killer.

Speaker 2 (54:11):
His name was thor.

Speaker 3 (54:12):
Nil Christiansen, and he murdered several women in Solving an
Ila Vista, California, between nineteen seventy six and seventy nine.
What again, fucking Central California, Northern California, Get the fuck out.
Solving is upla wine country, right, It's like two hours
from Los Angeles, like right outside of Santa Barbara. It's

(54:34):
it's it's a Dutch Disneyland basically. Yeah, it looks like
it's for tourists.

Speaker 2 (54:40):
It's for toice.

Speaker 3 (54:42):
There's an Alpaker farm, and Ila Vista is like the
shitty part of Santa Barbara where all the kids go
to college. Oh okay, right, all right, So the way
she tells the story, and to be honest, she's only
told me twice so once as a warning as a teenager,
and then just a few months ago after plowing her
with several classes of Pinogriggio.

Speaker 2 (55:00):
So some details are hazy.

Speaker 3 (55:02):
Is that she was a sorty girl at UCSB Santa Barbara,
living in a studio apartment. One night at a bar,
a quote surfer looking guy with blonde hair hid on
her and she agreed to leave with him. Nope, her
bartender friend pleaded with her not to leave, but she
didn't listen. The surfer hold on. The surfer at the
bar drove a quote super creepy van and they climbed in,

(55:26):
oh the seventies. After driving around and making out, he
suddenly turned down a way she didn't recognize. Eventually he
pulled into a cemetery.

Speaker 2 (55:36):
Oh, it was there.

Speaker 3 (55:38):
He parked, went back, went to the back of the
van and pulled out a suitcase full of women's clothing.
He told my mom to put on the clothes and
get out of the van. My mother put on the
clothes and developed a plan and a stunning stroke of genius,
she said, oh, this is hot, this is so, turning
me on and shaking. She led him back to her

(55:59):
apartment she lived alone. Admittedly this was the flaw in
my mother's plan, but thank god she got out of
the fucking cemetery. Once back to her studio, she had
led into her bed and started kissing him, still wearing
the creepy clothes.

Speaker 2 (56:15):
No idea.

Speaker 3 (56:16):
She picked up a lamp smashed it over his head. Instagram,
get the fuck out of my house, and he ran away.
Her neighbors all came out of their apartments to see
if she was okay, and she said she was, And
then she said it with her sorority sister fear for
a few nights. I don't even know if my dad
knows the story, let alone the police. My mother said
she never went to anyone and then moved back home

(56:36):
to San Diego. So missed when he was captured. She
didn't know his name or that he was a serial killer.
So in May, when I plowed her with wine to
get her to spill the details.

Speaker 2 (56:46):
She means plied her with wine. Okay, but please don't.
It's not me.

Speaker 1 (56:50):
Okay, okay, I'm just so plowed. You're right, you get
plowed on wine. You ply people with wine. I think
Kyleene and I are like similar.

Speaker 3 (56:58):
People because I swear to his plowed. We believed it
the whole time, and I'm fine with it. I plied
her with wine to get her to spill the details
because I'm a terrible daughter. I researched it. I'm so
embarrassed now, Karen, I'm sorry. I know it's plied.

Speaker 2 (57:13):
Well, you're just reading it, okay, all right. Originally I
just cloud makes it sound like she sucked her own mom. Sorry,
but that's now, I.

Speaker 1 (57:21):
Go get it.

Speaker 2 (57:21):
You're right, you're right' right? Okay.

Speaker 3 (57:22):
Originally I thought this quote surfer dude was the original Nightstalker,
but the dates and the story don't add up.

Speaker 2 (57:28):
Love this girl that she's like researching this, Yes, she's like,
which serial killer could it be? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (57:33):
When I stumbled across Christiansen, I showed her his picture
and she wrote, which was a mistake, and she confirmed.
I'm not sure what kind of information you need to
confirm the story, but I'm happy to help in any
way I can.

Speaker 2 (57:45):
Like, we're questioning this girl's story. Oh, I know, I
saw the photo she Karen showing me this photo. He
looks like he looks like he'd be a wrestler, like
a wrestler from the seventies. That's exactly like he was
called the original Nightstalker wrestler.

Speaker 1 (57:59):
Like he looks but he also has that look on
his face like I'm chill, everything's chill.

Speaker 3 (58:03):
Yeah, which he's German or something. Yeah, it definitely looks
like like macho man Randy Savage.

Speaker 1 (58:10):
Is that?

Speaker 2 (58:11):
Is she done?

Speaker 1 (58:12):
Because here's the good news to the end of that story.
He was stabbed to death in fulsome prison. Yea. If
anyone's worried the man who killed four women, Uh wow,
that's so intense.

Speaker 3 (58:24):
I want to I want to investigate the story more
and know if like putting him in women's clothes was
a thing or like the were those the clothing of
the women who he had killed before her?

Speaker 2 (58:33):
This bitch almost got.

Speaker 1 (58:34):
Killed, that is yeah, she was in it. She that's
so crazy, I know, right, Uh yeah, fuck man, I'm trying.
I'm trying to scan really quickly, but yeah, I don't
see I don't see anything about clothes.

Speaker 3 (58:49):
Well, that one's good. I'm sweating profusely. I smell kind
of bad. Pretty sure, I'm I'm definitely sweating.

Speaker 2 (58:56):
I love those. I like those fast ones. I do too.

Speaker 1 (58:59):
I mean, it's it's very satisfying to just go not
have to dive and pretend to be an expert on
a topic.

Speaker 2 (59:04):
Yeah, I like that. Here's what here's what happened. Yes,
according to me who experienced it, right exactly. Those are fun.

Speaker 1 (59:11):
There was a couple and we're still going to keep
doing these, so yeah, if we didn't get to yours,
hopefully willson. But we there's hundreds, I mean, there's so many,
so many. But there's a couple who are like my
mom went on a date with Ted, but Tad Bundy
date one, Like, you're not even making that up. There's
a Ted Bundy date.

Speaker 2 (59:31):
Yes, there's more than one Ted Bundy date. Yes. Like
there's people who are like I knew Ted Bundy or
like he was a friend of the family.

Speaker 3 (59:37):
It's just crazy how many like my next door neighbor
killed his wife, Like, there's so many of those, Yes,
little ones that you've never heard of and never will Yeah,
but people knew them and were like, no, they were
nice guys.

Speaker 2 (59:48):
They're always normal nice guys.

Speaker 3 (59:50):
Right, and then they snap and there's a lot of
there's a lot of the son of the family, right ones.

Speaker 1 (59:58):
Well, you know that's the Amityville horror story, right, that's
the that's the real story behind that totally, or at
least that's the original story, right. I mean, it's hard
to be the eldest son and whatever that, whatever comes
with that.

Speaker 3 (01:00:11):
I think it's hard to be the eldest son when
the dad is a dick, for sure. I feel like
a lot of that. The dad has so many expectations,
especially back then, where it's like, you know, it's so
important to be popular, yeah and big time.

Speaker 1 (01:00:25):
Yeah, you have to be like the quarterback or whatever,
and the dad is trying to trying to what's the word,
live vicariously through the yeah. Yeah. If you have that
combined with like say a week mom or a mom
that lets the dad do whatever he wants right and
doesn't have you know, any any kind of handle on anything.

Speaker 3 (01:00:44):
Maybe the mom the kid loves the mom so much
and he's pissed at her for never having stood up
for him, but he.

Speaker 2 (01:00:52):
Can't be pissed her because she is as abused as
he is. I mean, and the sister's just like kind
of a popular cunt. What are we writing right now?

Speaker 1 (01:01:01):
It's the we're basically talking through the Amitigo hole. You're
literally rich origin story. Yeah, but I mean, we're talking
through a thing that we've all seen on twenty twenty
one million times. Totally.

Speaker 2 (01:01:12):
It's a it's a typical American setup. You guys, if
you're a guy, please don't kill your family.

Speaker 1 (01:01:18):
Listen. You don't listen. I can't solve your problem for you.
It's just a podcast.

Speaker 2 (01:01:23):
But listen to your mother's Listen to Georgia, I play
the guitar. Girls love shit like that.

Speaker 1 (01:01:30):
Yeah, be Artie, be already grow your hair along and
just be like sorry, I'm arty too bad, and then
jump on the next train.

Speaker 2 (01:01:37):
I know a woman named Artie, so I was like,
what are you talking about? Be like her, She's great,
She's a darling person. Read a book, man, don't read
catch her on the rye. Just stop yourself right there?

Speaker 1 (01:01:47):
Yeah? Uh?

Speaker 2 (01:01:49):
Is that it for us? Elvis Elvis will, Elvis will
let us know when that's it. What do you think Elvis.
Are we done? Elvis?

Speaker 1 (01:02:00):
God, they wonder I want to talk to him, and
he's gonna.

Speaker 2 (01:02:03):
Be like, ladies, let's wrap it up.

Speaker 3 (01:02:05):
The gods have spoken. Yeah, thank you for listening. Go
to my favorite murder on on the fucking Instagram Twitter.

Speaker 1 (01:02:14):
There's a Twitter, there's all kinds of course, the Facebook page,
there's all kinds of ways that you can participate.

Speaker 2 (01:02:20):
Thank you for listening. Yeah, tell a friend and tell
his sister Elvis, do you want to cook? He you
want to cook you? Yeah, stay sexy, don't get murdered.

Speaker 1 (01:02:29):
Ye. Nice