28 - I 28 His Liver With Some Fava Beans and A Nice Chianti

This week Karen and Georgia share stories that are new to the other: the Durham Family Murders and the amazing story of Terry Jo Duperrault.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:16):
Karen, Hi, Hi, Hi, Hi. You pointed at me to
talk first and night. I wanted you to do the
I did it last time, trying to make a start.
Oh hey, this fuck. I gotta turn my phone now. Sorry,
Oh hey, this is hello. Who's this show business? It's
a telemarketer. Do you mind I take this?

Speaker 2 (00:34):
Can I do?

Speaker 1 (00:37):
Can I talk about some products with this person? Yeah?
I give them all my social Security number? Yeah, everything
over the podcast, just record it all. Welcome to my
Favorite murder. This is basically what the podcast is.

Speaker 2 (00:47):
Yes, it's going to be this for another two and
three quarters hours.

Speaker 1 (00:52):
Yep, enjoy. Yeah, there you go, or goodbye forever? Can
I start out real quick, just by plugging, just for
the skippers who skip to the stories. You don't miss this,
don't miss this. We have new motherfucking shirts.

Speaker 2 (01:07):
Yes, and they're good.

Speaker 1 (01:08):
They're good, right, I'm.

Speaker 2 (01:10):
Really Yeah, there's something well to me there when you
sent me that picture. There's something very visceral about the
original logo, as I should. Yeah, like it makes me
feel official.

Speaker 1 (01:21):
It's so official, and I can't wait to see someone.
I'm still waiting to run into someone in the wild,
like someone I don't know. Wearing one of our old shirts.

Speaker 2 (01:27):
Well that just happened to me. Sure up walking into
your part and then Steven has our shirt on.

Speaker 1 (01:33):
Yeah yeah, I was dressed appropriate, you was. We appreciate it.
We don't let anyone in our house unless they're wearing
mine or Vince's podcast shirt.

Speaker 2 (01:40):
That's smart as a couple.

Speaker 1 (01:42):
That's a good decision, or real dicks h but t
spring dot com slash my favorite murder. It's like it's
like a run. It's going you can buy. It's all
the twenty third and that's when they get sent out.

Speaker 2 (01:52):
The twenty third of August.

Speaker 1 (01:53):
August, Oh, thank you so. And then if that goes well,
we'll just extend it and then do new prints and
new designs and stuff, and I'm going to go from there.
But I want to test this. It's they have a
men's shirt and a woman shirt, and a V neck
shirt and a freaking hoodie. A hoodie.

Speaker 2 (02:09):
I'm getting one of those.

Speaker 1 (02:10):
It's pretty sweet.

Speaker 2 (02:11):
Is it obnoxious to wear your own podcast sweatshirt?

Speaker 1 (02:14):
T shirt? Yes, hoodie no? No, It's like when you
get it when you're working on a movie and you
get the show the movie logo hat. That's right, and
once it wraps you can wear it.

Speaker 2 (02:24):
Should we also get director's chairs?

Speaker 1 (02:27):
Do you think definitely?

Speaker 2 (02:29):
Should we get baseball jacket baseball jackets?

Speaker 1 (02:32):
Directors you can get. I was looking to try to
get mugs and stuff you can get, like we can
get like serving trays with the logo on it. Oh,
it's so much weird shit.

Speaker 2 (02:43):
You know. Dave Anthony from The doll Up says that
the thing they sell the most of you posters.

Speaker 1 (02:48):
Yeah do that, yeah, posters. And we can do shot
glasses too, which I feel like. I mean, there's got
to be a lot of college kids listening, right, I
would hope what are they doing with their time? I
mean studying? Please look at us. We didn't go to college,
I mean we didn't graduate, and look at this. I
mean I tried, but it's I gave it a shot.
It was weird and uncomfortable. Oh. I hated it. I

(03:09):
really didn't like it. It was triggering for me because I
hated high school so much that it just felt like
high school.

Speaker 2 (03:14):
Mine felt like the opposite of high school because I
went to a tiny high school and then I tried
to go to Sack State, which was like going to
oh my gosh, huge, a whole other city as a school,
and I just felt lost and empty and alone.

Speaker 1 (03:29):
Yeah, Community College felt like, oh god, it felt like
I was going backwards in time because my school was
kind of nice and then suddenly it was like like
this terrible, like old school that was so sad.

Speaker 2 (03:44):
Did it have those desks where the chair and the
desk are connected? I can't. There's something so depressing about those.

Speaker 1 (03:50):
Desks because you can't move in or out and your
butt hurts and it's just not.

Speaker 2 (03:54):
And it's like you're it's like a little clamp on you.

Speaker 1 (03:57):
Yeah, it's a school clam it's a little prison cell.

Speaker 2 (04:01):
So look at us now, yeah, look at us free
sticking our legs wherever we want, sideways.

Speaker 1 (04:07):
Anywhere in our director's chairs.

Speaker 2 (04:09):
Quit school, everybody. That's the one message we have for
the children this week.

Speaker 1 (04:13):
Please quit. Uh g how what are you.

Speaker 2 (04:18):
You want my housekeeping?

Speaker 1 (04:19):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (04:20):
Because I have a couple of thing.

Speaker 1 (04:21):
Oh look at you.

Speaker 2 (04:22):
First of all, we know now for a fact that
at La Podfast we are going to be there on Saturday,
September twenty fourth, from nine to eleven in the ballroom.
That's our show and our time. So if you're going
to go or you wanted to know that specific news.
But you can also live stream for a certain amount
I'm not sure what it is. You can watch the

(04:43):
whole thing from the comfort of your home.

Speaker 1 (04:46):
Live that's pretty cool.

Speaker 2 (04:48):
So go onto lapodfest dot com and all that information
is there for you. They have a lot of great
podcast days.

Speaker 1 (04:55):
No, it seems like that's a pretty sweet slot. Am
I wrong?

Speaker 2 (04:58):
I think so? But because ballroom seems to usually be
a good thing.

Speaker 1 (05:03):
Yeah, but if it's just like it's really like that's
what they call the janitor's closet. Also, what are we
going to do for two hours? No, I know we
have to make up that dance now, Oh my god,
we have to do so much random stuff. What are
we gonna do for two hours? I don't know.

Speaker 2 (05:19):
We might need to get a guest.

Speaker 1 (05:20):
We're definitely gonna get some guests to maybe like, you know,
people who are at the podcast with their podcast can
tell some hometown stories. Maybe we'll get some from the audience.

Speaker 2 (05:29):
Yeah, we'll definitely ask the audience if they got any.

Speaker 1 (05:32):
But we'll have a porn to like, if you guys
are talking too long, we'll just like get off.

Speaker 2 (05:36):
The I feel like what we don't understand is that
the average person doesn't really want to talk in public
at all, so talking too.

Speaker 1 (05:44):
Long is rarely the problem. Attention.

Speaker 2 (05:48):
Yeah, but I think people like more.

Speaker 1 (05:50):
Up face to face attention. Okay.

Speaker 2 (05:52):
I mean that's my theory.

Speaker 1 (05:53):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (05:53):
Because I could literally talk forever into a large group
of people and be doing badly and still want to
do it, it doesn't make sense. That was my first
passive housekeeping. The other one was the Live Doll up
is August sixteenth at Meltdown. I think they're sold out,
but they do stand by there.

Speaker 1 (06:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (06:12):
So if you have some burning desire, if this is
some great voltron combo for you, then please please try
to come. I don't know if that's a good thing
to encourage people to do. And then I just wanted
to say to you, oh my gosh, did you know
Burke Ramsey is going to be on Doctor Phil in September?

Speaker 1 (06:31):
I know? And I've been waiting to freak out with
me for you. Yeah, because I've been seeing that. I'm
like whatever, whatever. Even Vince was like did you see that?
And I'm like, yeah, whatever. But I've been waiting to
talk to you about it. I love that.

Speaker 2 (06:45):
The day it was announced, I think I must have
had six or seven people tweet at me and are
my favorite murder Twitter? We had like twenty five.

Speaker 1 (06:56):
People Instagram too, like people we have an Instagram account
and people will be like commenting on a shirt post
like did you see this? So here's what I think
is gonna happen. One of two things. Either it's going
to be the most boring, basic thing he thinks an
intruder did it, or he's totally gonna just go ballistic
and say it was his mom. I guess I'm guessing
it's not the latter, But how cool would that be?

Speaker 2 (07:16):
It'd be amazing. I did see one picture in one
of the articles that got sent, and they're walking in
an orchard. The walk and talk probably a bad sign, yeah,
because that means they're two besties.

Speaker 1 (07:27):
No, they always do the walk and talk though, Oh yeah,
the walk and talk whenever there's like an interview. That's
just a thing, okay, a walk and talk, Okay, But
you think an orchard is a bad sign. I mean
it just looked too peacefully. Yeah, chummy to me, You're
not going to be like and then she hit her
over the head in an orchard. You're not gonna say
that in an orchard? Yeah, I don't.

Speaker 2 (07:47):
Who knows, But here's what I will say, And I'm
not going to name any names. I've got an inside source.
I'm gonna find out from my inside source if it's
already been taped, if it's a taping live in a studio,
like if if the clips we've already seen are just
a pre tape that they're letting out footage of or whatever,
because what if we went to the live taping of that?

Speaker 1 (08:09):
No, stop it, Oh my god, I don't even think
that's what you meant. Wait, what would you.

Speaker 2 (08:14):
Want to do that? I'm going to find out from
my inside source.

Speaker 1 (08:18):
I didn't even know that's what you meant. I thought
you were going to find out what he was saying.
But that's I wouldn't know. Don't you want to be there?
Because here's the thing I do trust in doctor Phil
is I just got the picture in my head.

Speaker 2 (08:34):
Did you ever see the Doctor Phil that was on
the muff the s same street where they did a
Doctor Phil and the muppet looked.

Speaker 1 (08:40):
Exactly like him?

Speaker 2 (08:41):
No, I love it. That just flashed on my head.
And I kind of went away for a second. Sorry,
I do trust the doctor Phil doesn't give a fox.
He will like confront like a lunatic. Like It's not
like I'm going back on what I just said about
the chummy this because now that I think about it,
doctor Phil just all be like, why why do you

(09:03):
still live with your boyfriend who's a pedophile or you
know what I mean. He doesn't care.

Speaker 1 (09:08):
He Burke Ramsey lives with a boyfriend who no, no, no,
So yeah, he definitely asks the hard questions and kind
of fucking needles them until they like they get nervous
and then the real shit comes out. So I think
he's better than like a Barbara Walters because she's super
soft for sure on people. I agree. I can't wait.

(09:28):
I'm totally gonna watch it, but I'm like everything in life,
keeping my expectations low. If we.

Speaker 2 (09:36):
Somehow get tickets to be in the studio audience, I
will lose. Should we wear a matching outfit? Should they
be our tea shirt?

Speaker 1 (09:49):
Yes, yes, A thousand times? Yes.

Speaker 2 (09:53):
Please should be dressed like super weird, not twin sisters
and freak people out.

Speaker 1 (09:59):
Get her haircut?

Speaker 2 (10:00):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (10:01):
Everything?

Speaker 2 (10:01):
Should I get a tiny bob that was my nineties hair.

Speaker 1 (10:04):
I want to say we should dress like pageant girls,
but that seems in bad taste. No to say right now,
it does seem like that, So I'm not saying.

Speaker 2 (10:13):
It's fucking huge, the huge Sierra Troll.

Speaker 1 (10:21):
It would kick us out. We would get arrested for
bad taste.

Speaker 2 (10:25):
Like that's like an intense drag queen move is to
like dress up as geminator totally.

Speaker 1 (10:31):
Well, sometimes when I wear like vintage dresses to events
and should I feel like a little pageanty. Yes, so
I'm in. I'm I can do it. And I have
no tits, just like a fucking five year old, so
I can do this. Excuse me, I should not have
said any of this.

Speaker 3 (10:45):
Oh my god, go on a hell, It's okay, this
is a private podcast, Okay, So that's then here's part two, okay,
which a lot of people know because a lot of
people also tweeted us this information.

Speaker 2 (10:59):
Okay, is that Ingmar Guadnique, who is the guy that
was accused of murdering Chandrale, is going to get released
from prison after six years because the prosecutors are dropping
all charges because based on recent unforeseen developments that were
investigated over the past week.

Speaker 1 (11:21):
What I am I'm never speechless, but I'm speechless about this.

Speaker 2 (11:27):
That's insane because whatever they found, whatever this investigation is,
the idea that it got to the point where it
gets him out of jail entirely has to be something
incredibly definitive.

Speaker 1 (11:41):
It didn't he also kill to what? Isn't he suspected
of or did kill? Uh? Yeah, rock and Roll didn't.
Isn't he suspected of or killed two other people? He did?

Speaker 2 (11:53):
Now, Look, I'm not celebrating his release because he did
attack women in that part.

Speaker 1 (11:57):
That's the reason he was arrested.

Speaker 2 (11:59):
But he attacked women with the intent I believe to
rape them if he did, if not raping them, but
there I think so basically he was the perfect person
to arrest.

Speaker 1 (12:13):
For her murder. It's just that moral dilemma of like,
is setting him free just going to fuck up the
world even more? I mean, he's I know, you can't
hold someone for something they weren't charged for it, but ah,
I hate it. Well, I want to know what the
I want to know what the evidence is so I
can know my career or not. But they're not telling.

Speaker 2 (12:34):
Us You're right, it's not exciting he's getting out of
jail because obviously he can't handle himself around women.

Speaker 1 (12:40):
Parks or screwdrivers. Sexual predator.

Speaker 2 (12:43):
Yeah, he's no good and I'm sure jail helped him.

Speaker 1 (12:46):
With that, right, that's what it used to do.

Speaker 2 (12:48):
But what I I'm just stoked that they found something.
They were still looking and they found something so definitive
that means we're going to find out about it within
the next month.

Speaker 1 (12:59):
I can't be a witness because it's been what ten years,
and witness ey witness testimony socks. It can't be.

Speaker 2 (13:06):
Witnesses don't get people out of jail. I don't think
it can't.

Speaker 1 (13:08):
Just Also, I can't just be DNA because finding a
hair on the body doesn't mean anything, you know, unless
it's can be linked. What did they find? What are
they find? What did they find what? Because she wasn't
she isn't wasn't she skeletal remains when they found her.

Speaker 2 (13:24):
I can't remember. People talk to me about these cases
that we talk about on here, and I have almost
no memory of talking about them. I have to re
listen to episodes.

Speaker 1 (13:33):
I've gone like I should do this murder and then
like to do. I thought of so many. There was
one that I wanted to ask you if I've done,
because I totally forgot.

Speaker 2 (13:42):
And they mean the world to us listeners.

Speaker 1 (13:45):
What are the most important things?

Speaker 2 (13:47):
We love it?

Speaker 1 (13:48):
I mean, I forget my own name.

Speaker 2 (13:51):
I almost did one of yours. I was looking up
today and I was.

Speaker 1 (13:56):
Like, I can't find which one. It was.

Speaker 2 (14:00):
Maybe your first, No, not your first, because your first
was Martha Monsley. Right, his first was Joan Benet. Oh, okay,
it was an early one that was a little more
obscure and right I saw it and I went, that's
so good. I'm like, the reason you think that is
because George.

Speaker 1 (14:14):
R what if you just did it and then did
it better and then said up your game, girl, Yeah,
that's right. Together, it's a contest within a I started listening,
like I want to say, just for research purposes and
just for like quality control, but started I listened it
episode one from the beginning. But it's really just because
I'm fucking full of myself and wanted to hear how

(14:36):
funny we are. And I was laughing out. I was here,
this is like describes me in a nutshell. I was
shopping for vintage clothing, listening to my own podcasts and
laughing out loud.

Speaker 2 (14:50):
Do you think you were laughing really loud and didn't
know it because you had earbuds in?

Speaker 1 (14:54):
I was no, because I'm really aware of that, but
I was. I was laughing out loud accidentally, like I
couldn't help what is all? God, I'm such a dick.
But it's no.

Speaker 2 (15:01):
I think it's very brave of you to admit this.
I re listened to episodes a lot because it's a
really it's fun to do it's but I don't know
it's fun to do? It?

Speaker 1 (15:11):
Is it is? And it's like, oh shit, I think
you and I text each other on a regular basis.
Oh it's good.

Speaker 2 (15:16):
That was actually good because sometimes we leave this apartment
and I'm like, we shouldn't we shouldn't do this?

Speaker 1 (15:22):
Wait what wait? Sorry what? That's not true anymore housekeeping?
That is it for me? Oh?

Speaker 2 (15:32):
Just People have asked a couple of times this week
the hometown murder email is my favorite? Murder at gmail
dot com. Couldn't be easier? Couldn't be easy? That's where
you send them if you don't want to or can't
get on people. Some still say they can't get on
the Facebook page. I'm not sure why, but if you
don't want to go that route, just go straight to
our Gmail. It's called It's at my Favorite Murder. Yep, easy, yep?

(15:55):
Are here first this week?

Speaker 1 (15:56):
First? Are? I think? Yeah? You did what's your face?
Last week? And I think you went first. I also
don't care who goes first.

Speaker 2 (16:04):
Honestly, at this moment, I had absolutely no idea what
happened last week?

Speaker 1 (16:07):
Okay, you did little Baby Karen, didn't you?

Speaker 2 (16:13):
Mary bell is?

Speaker 1 (16:15):
So last week? I don't know, ironestly don't know.

Speaker 2 (16:18):
No, last week was hometown murder.

Speaker 1 (16:22):
What's wrong with us? Is there a gas link in
my apartment?

Speaker 2 (16:26):
We can't be that stuck up if we can't remember.

Speaker 1 (16:29):
I don't think it's us being stuck up. I think
it's we have terrible memories. Yeah, I think there's a
gas link in my apartment.

Speaker 2 (16:34):
Probably I definitely have a terrible memory.

Speaker 1 (16:36):
And what is you?

Speaker 2 (16:37):
So?

Speaker 1 (16:37):
Do you want me to go first? You want to
go first? You go first? Okay, I'm excited about this
one because it's fucked up. And I also really like
finding ones that you don't know and I didn't know
I found one that I didn't know purposely.

Speaker 2 (16:48):
Where'd you find it?

Speaker 1 (16:48):
Reddit? I might have found like a link on the
Facebook page, as you do, and then just went crazy.

Speaker 2 (16:55):
Oh okay because someone posts a link that has all
these Reddit links on it.

Speaker 1 (17:00):
There is a post with a.

Speaker 2 (17:01):
Bunch of Reddit links that I was looking through today
and loved it.

Speaker 1 (17:04):
It was so great. Well, I did what I always do,
and I go into the hometown. I go into our
email and look up and like type to find if
anyone has ever emailed us about it, just so I
can add that information. And no one has ever emailed
us about this. That's smarting. Who knows where I found it? Okay?
This is the Durham family murders. Durham Family, Durham Okay,
all right, I'm gonna start with the murders. So on

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February third, nineteen seventy two, is a stormy, snowy night
in Boone, North Carolina, and the bodies of Bryce Durham
fifty one, his wife Virginia forty four, and their son
Bobby Joe, who was eighteen, were found crowded side by side,
leaning across and into a filled bathtub with their heads

(17:47):
under the water. Submerged. There's a fucking photo. No. The
autopsy established that, though rope burns were evident on the
necks of all three of the family members, the father
and son were alive when their heads were forced under water. Wow.

Speaker 2 (18:04):
This really just kicked it off, didn't it.

Speaker 1 (18:06):
I don't know why I started with the fucked up part,
but here, well, no, no, it's I mean, look, you
got to hook him in because the rest of the
story I find I find amazing. Yeah, we'll see why.

Speaker 2 (18:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (18:15):
Yeah, So, Virginia had been strangled to death before being
plunged headfirst into the tub, but for some reason they
still put her in there or whoever it was. The
bodies of Bryce and Virginia also exhibited blunt force trauma.
Bryce had a skull fracture and Virginia's nose had been
bloodied before her death, and none of the corpses bore
defensive woans Ooh, so then I wrote who done it?

(18:42):
Angela Landsbury? Just typing away and your typewriter, who done it?
Who could it be? So? Bryce, the father owned a
local successful car dealership, and Bobby Joe was a college
student nearby. The Durhams. All three of them came home
together from the car dealership and it was a crazy

(19:02):
stormy night. It was super snowy. It was like getting
worse and worse, and a neighbor noted it saw that
they came home around nine pm, So cut to ten pm,
I wrote in case I forget YEP. Allegedly the son okay,
so there's another kid. There's a daughter, Ginny Durham Hall.
She was nineteen and she lived with her husband, Troy Hall,

(19:25):
a little ways away in a trailer. So allegedly the
son in law, Troy arrived home with a trailer where
he met Ginny, and he claimed he spent the entire
day at the library, from like five pm un till
he got home. He says he came home to watch
the Winter Olympics, and they turned the TV on at
ten o'clock and then the TV was on the fritz,

(19:49):
so they put on music instead, they say. Then around
ten fifteen he answers a call at their home. He
says that the call was from Virginia, his mother in law,
and that she was whispering that three men were assaulting

(20:09):
the family, and then the line abruptly went dead. Mm hmm.
He claimed he tried to call back the home, but
it was busy. What is busy? So he asked his wife,
would your mom play a trick on us? And they
kind of thought it was a prank, which is a
real fucking funny prank, so worried, they decided to check
in on the family, didn't call the cops. Their car

(20:33):
wouldn't start, even though he had only been in it
like fifteen to twenty minutes before, and they asked the neighbor,
Cecil Smart, to drive them. Cecil Small is what I meant.
Cecil Small Small, who's now deceased, was a private investigator. Oh,
and he drove the couple out to the house. Side note,
Cecil was also supposedly at the scene of the Kennedy assassination.

(20:57):
What According to him, he was passing by the end
of the motorcade and he saw a Hispanic man in
the crowd with a poorly concealed scoped rifle. He was
driven off course by the motorcade and came to an unfamiliar,
unfamiliar area, so he pulled over in front of the
school book depository uh huh to ask for directions, and

(21:21):
a passer by was heading in the very same direction
that he intended to travel. Huh, and thus offered the calm,
neatly dressed stranger arrived, and this man Cecil avowed to
his dying day, was Lee Harvey Oswald. Caese a little liar, Cecil.

Speaker 2 (21:36):
So you're telling me, Cecil Small, that you not only
saw the shooter of President Kennedy a different person, but
then you also met Lee Harvey Oswald.

Speaker 1 (21:49):
But you can also prove that Lee Harvey Oswald didn't
do it, didn't do it. Yeah, And now that I'm
thinking about it, and you're blaming a Hispanic, right man. Okay,
I just put this together and I wasn't going to
add this in because I've think it's in poor taste.
But Troy says that Virginia says that three black men,
black men were attacking her in her.

Speaker 2 (22:10):
I mean, I'm sorry, but there's a certain from like
nineteen sixty nine and before that's all anyone ever said.

Speaker 1 (22:19):
Yeah, I think from the eighties.

Speaker 2 (22:21):
Yeah, it's now you blame it on people do that
all the time.

Speaker 1 (22:25):
Yeah, So I'm kind of putting those things together now.
So they get to the home almost an hour after
the panic's call, but they couldn't get up the hill
to the home because of the snow. So they left
Ginny in the car and they said, stay here, we're
gonna run up there. And supposedly they thought three men
were in the house, maybe not anymore attacking, and they

(22:45):
left her in the car at the bottom of the hill.
That makes no sense, no, right, no, Also, I don't
like three men. That's rare that that's the ritual situation, right,
But how would three people, two of whom were like
able by men, able to be overpowered without any defensive loans.
It couldn't have been one person unless you know, some

(23:07):
people just comply when there's a gun in their face.

Speaker 2 (23:10):
Yes, a lot of people do. Yeah, even I mean,
it's the smart thing to do, right, all right.

Speaker 1 (23:15):
So they get up the hill, they get to the house.
They entered the home through a broken garage door, where
they found the place ransacked and the water was still
running in the tub that was full of the family.
They skidaddled, I said, which I spelled right, Which is weird,
and jumped into the car, intending to drive off, still
not having called the police. The car was stuck, so

(23:37):
they made it to a neighbors and they finally called
the police. So police suggested the ransacked house seem like
a stage robbery, which I'm wondering, like you hear that
all the time? Are they? I want to know what
they're ever wrong about that about it? It really was ransacked, ye, insincerity.
I feel like there can't be that much, that huge
of a difference between a ransacked because it's being burglarized.

Speaker 2 (24:01):
I think when people burg this is just me talking
off the top.

Speaker 1 (24:04):
Of my head. I want to know your opinion.

Speaker 2 (24:05):
Okay, first of all, I want to officially change my
old opinion too. I don't know why I said in
nineteen sixty nine and below when racism is such a
humongst problem in this country.

Speaker 1 (24:15):
Okay, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (24:18):
But I'll go ahead to again freely give my opinion.
When people burglar is a house, they're looking for valuables
and they know where people hide values. Right, it's good gread.
Burglars want to get in and get out. They don't
want to wreck people's houses. They don't go through every
single drawer because they know that people hide. I mean,
there have been studies about it where it's like people

(24:39):
hide their stuff in a sock draw People hide their
stuff in a freezer. People hide their safes behind pictures.

Speaker 1 (24:45):
So now everyone knows where you hide your stuff.

Speaker 2 (24:47):
That's right, they come to your My safe is behind
my picture. So cutting open a couch or you know,
there's like when things are overly ruined I think is
when rocks are like like furniture thrown.

Speaker 1 (25:02):
Yes, it doesn't need it, because there's photos of the
house that's ransacked, and it's like there's a there's an
ottoman like thrown onto the couch. Yeah, there's no reason
I've done that.

Speaker 2 (25:13):
Right, And also you're just taking extra time as the burglar.
That could be time where the cops could be on
their way. Why would you stand around throwing shit?

Speaker 1 (25:21):
Well, here's the fucked up thing about this that that
proves they're probably right is that there was an envelope
full of cash sitting like out on one of the
dining room chairs. And in the photo of the rhyme
scene you can see it. They had brought it home
because they couldn't make it to the bank uh after, So.

Speaker 2 (25:39):
It was just sitting there.

Speaker 1 (25:40):
So it's just sitting there. It wasn't taken, so there's
no need to put the automan on the couch. No,
it was a fake. I believe it was a fake ransacking.
But I'm just wondering. You hear that all the time.
Oh yeah, I wish we could look at photos. I
wish like have a nine one one call we wanted
to do where like we listened to two that are
real and one that isn't.

Speaker 2 (25:58):
Oh, that's what I'd be willing to do.

Speaker 1 (25:59):
Yeah, that one that wouldn't give you nightmares.

Speaker 2 (26:01):
That one I would love to do because who I mean,
who really knows. But it would be to understand how
detectives and investigators have a sense of things would be.

Speaker 1 (26:13):
Fascinating to me. Can any detectives out there please send
us some crime too photos and don't just.

Speaker 2 (26:20):
Sneak them out of the uh evidence locker where the
cocaine is.

Speaker 1 (26:26):
Sneak them out, e mail them to George's secret. I
got a little coke in there. If you want a
big deal, I won't be mad.

Speaker 2 (26:34):
People do it all the time.

Speaker 1 (26:35):
I'm kidding, don't do coke. We all think it's bad. Yeah,
so okay, I'm speaking for Stephen. Stephen wants the coke.

Speaker 2 (26:43):
He hates coke.

Speaker 1 (26:44):
So they say it seemed like a stage robbery. There
was an ovalte full of cash and nothing about nothing
much of value had been taken. And shortly after the
car that the Dorms had at the house, which was
from the car dealership, was found in an embankment and
it seemed like it had been placed there rather than crashed.
And in the back was like a pillowcase full of

(27:05):
like some silver, you know, some fucking silver. Nothing that
like utensils. Yeah yeah, yeah, so something a rube robber
might take, right, So I mean, clearly, my clearly the
son in law. Okay, here's the fucking twist. Okay, forty
years later, it's still unsolved despite all the evidence that

(27:27):
clearly points at the cent in law.

Speaker 2 (27:31):
But what do they have, like motive that the son
in law?

Speaker 1 (27:34):
The son in law has never been a suspect. Oh
and he's a lawyer now, so all right, Oh here's
what I think happened. I think and Ginny was the
sole inheritor. Inherited a quarter of a million dollars in
seventies money. Mm hmm.

Speaker 2 (27:50):
And that's twenty five million in today's isn't it.

Speaker 1 (27:54):
Oh like wow, Karen, oh my god.

Speaker 2 (27:58):
If it's numbers, I'm definitely I.

Speaker 1 (28:00):
Love those conversions when they're like, this is how much
it is today? Is money? I know.

Speaker 2 (28:05):
I just read one today that was like one hundred
thousand in the seventies.

Speaker 1 (28:12):
Shit, now, I don't remember what it was. I believed you.
I believed you in the way that when I have
to ask you about Roman numerals, I you could say
anything to me and I would believe.

Speaker 2 (28:19):
You that I knew that was that I knew. Okay,
I'll always tell you what I'm lying.

Speaker 1 (28:24):
I appreciate that, Okay. So I just think like he
hired a hit some hit man. If a phone call happened,
it was the people at the scene saying it's done,
and Ginny didn't know about it, and so he said
that phone call was actually this thing instead, right, or
the phone call never happened and she was in on it.

Speaker 2 (28:46):
Do you think the neighbor was in on it? That
was mister Lucky at the assassination.

Speaker 1 (28:50):
It sounds I don't know enough about him, but based
on those two little details, Yes, the race, the blaming
someone else, which I don't know is a CIA they
killed kend of me, right, I mean? And yeah, his
getting involved in it and being a private detective, which
I feel like you know more about at to commit

(29:12):
a crime, well, sure than otherwise. Yeah, you see it
all the time.

Speaker 2 (29:15):
Yeah, I'll say this, what's suspicious to me? That just
dawned on me. Why would that woman call her son
in law instead of the cops, and when there are
three men in her house.

Speaker 1 (29:28):
That's a good point. And in addition to that, the
family didn't like the son in law. They were trying
to get her to leave him.

Speaker 2 (29:36):
Because she was only nineteenies.

Speaker 1 (29:38):
Yeah, yeah, so they were trying, they were like against
this marriage. Why would she call them? And there's so
many instances in this whole crime that it's like, why
weren't the cops called? Wow? Yeah, starting with the mother,
which probably never happened, so that's why the cops were
never called. Yeah, and then multiple times with the son
in law and the daughter weren't called, right, So yeah,

(30:01):
crazy and then da da da Okay, there's still there's
they're still looking into it. There's a forty thousand dollars
reward offered. And someone said investigator said, in my opinion,
missus Drum never made that phone call. When somebody when
some people come into your house to kill you, they're
not going to let you make a phone call, right,

(30:21):
of course, I speculate. Yeah, maybe the call happened, but
from a hitman that they hired. And okay, I also
want to give a shout out to, uh Jody dot Com. No, wait,
it's called I did it for Jody Jodie dot Com.
That is a really cool like a true crime blog

(30:41):
that had a lot of good information.

Speaker 2 (30:42):
Is that name in reference to Mark David Chapman possibly
tried to kill Reagan for Jodie Foster?

Speaker 1 (30:50):
Maybe? Wait? No, I'm sorry, Jody Arius. I've never seen you.
What did you just I cold I could have.

Speaker 2 (31:05):
I think I got the name wrong. Was it Hinckley?
I'm thinking of John Hinckley? They tried to kill Reagan?
Mark David Chapmans is the one that killed John Lennon.

Speaker 1 (31:15):
Yep uh.

Speaker 2 (31:16):
And then you just threw Jody Arias in there for
fun facts.

Speaker 1 (31:21):
You guys, we're strong on facts, so.

Speaker 2 (31:23):
We're passionate about a lot of different names.

Speaker 1 (31:25):
I did it for Jody dot Com, good little true
crime blog. That's very cool. I had a lot of
cool information, and I fucking went all over the place
for this thing. I was so fascinated by it. I
just can't believe. Yeah, he did just nothing, but they
didn't even he was never even a suspect.

Speaker 2 (31:44):
That's weird. It was a small town.

Speaker 1 (31:46):
Small town only unsolved murder. Wow.

Speaker 2 (31:50):
Yeah, is he still like you said, he became a lawyer.

Speaker 1 (31:53):
He's a lawyer, he's still they're divorced. She won't now,
she now won't cooperate the cops anymore. She's like, I
gave them all the information I could. Huh. Yeah, it
was that anticlimactic. Do I ask that every time I
think you do really do well?

Speaker 2 (32:10):
It's always when there's when there's no resolution. I mean,
it's always just it makes me want to ask ninety
five questions?

Speaker 1 (32:16):
Which are the ones I love? I love when there's like,
I love them, good mystery.

Speaker 2 (32:20):
You know what I was thinking about? Is that other
one that you had that was from Japan or whatever? Yes,
where they killed the family?

Speaker 1 (32:26):
Totally? I think about that one all the time. Who
the fuck was it was? It's enough information that it
should have been able to be solved. That drives me crazy.

Speaker 2 (32:34):
Well. The frustrating thing too, is that it's not like
when you're on this side of it and you don't
know you have it in your head that it's going
to be some fascinating review. Yeah, and it's always like,
oh that guy like that's what.

Speaker 1 (32:45):
Yeah, I mean, that's why. That's why I like cold Cases,
because you can imagine that it's it's more, it's deeper
than just the stupidity of some killing.

Speaker 2 (32:55):
Yeah one, yeah, that's right. Yeah, all right, Well you
want to hear mine?

Speaker 1 (32:59):
Absolutely, well, Mine.

Speaker 2 (33:02):
It's pretty interesting. I remembered that I read this book called.

Speaker 1 (33:10):
Let Me See the Bible God.

Speaker 2 (33:13):
I love it, and I'm here to tell you about
it too. It's called Alone Orphaned on the Sea, which
is what I wanted to call my book, but forget it.
Oh sorry, Orphaned on the Ocean. I can call mine
o the sea now. So I got really into for

(33:35):
a little while before I ever saw the show I Survived,
which I cannot get on the Lifetime on my Apple TV.
I can't get it on my laptop. Oh my gosh,
I can't. It will not let me access even for money.
It won't let me watch old episodes if I survived,
And I think that's wrong and someone needs to.

Speaker 1 (33:53):
Do something we need listen. Is it Lifetime?

Speaker 2 (33:57):
Well, it's like Lifetime dot com. They have I have
them on their website.

Speaker 1 (34:02):
I think you're missing out on a great opportunity for
a shout out, and stead Karen's just disappointed.

Speaker 2 (34:06):
I'm just mad.

Speaker 1 (34:08):
But I love all your movies, anyhows.

Speaker 2 (34:11):
So I read that I was super in got into
these stories of survival for a little while in the
I would say mid nineties. Maybe I was having a
hard time myself. I can't remember. And I remember reading
this book and being fascinated by it. And the thing
that drew me to the book initially is on the

(34:32):
cover of the book. There's a picture and it's just
the open ocean and then a tiny in the middle,
a tiny white raft and a little girl sitting in it.

Speaker 1 (34:40):
No, is it a photograph.

Speaker 2 (34:42):
It's a photograph of the person I'm about to tell
you about and how she was found.

Speaker 1 (34:46):
Losing my mind, losing my mind? Can I look at
the phone? Should I wait? I'm gonna wait.

Speaker 2 (34:49):
I have the foot I have the picture on my
phone for you.

Speaker 1 (34:52):
Everyone go look at the Durham family murder bathtub scene.
And then it's not gruesome except they're all dead. Oh
my god, little girl alone on the ocean.

Speaker 2 (35:04):
All right, So this is the story of Terry Joe Depaau,
and she was from Green Bay, Wisconsin. When this happened
to her, she was eleven years old and her father, Arthur,
was an optometrist, also from Green Bay. Obviously, she was
from a different area. And Arthur had always dreamed of

(35:26):
taking a year off and sailing around like the Bahamas,
basically sailing the world with his family. He had been
in World War Two and he had been in like
the tropics, and so he thought that would be amazing,
especially it was coming up on winter in Green Bay

(35:48):
and yeah, right, and so he'd always wanted to basically
live on a boat for like a year. And so
his idea was he's going to take the family down
to the Bahama Almas. They're going to rent a sailboat
and try it out for a week, see if the
kids actually like it or if he's just full of
beans and uh, and then see see where their adventure

(36:11):
will take them. Okay, So they fly down to Florida
and they'd charter a two masted sailboat called the Bluebell,
and they hire Captain Julian Harvey, who is a former
Air Force fighter pilot and an experienced sailor, and they
have him captain the ship.

Speaker 1 (36:31):
And that's not seem weird to like be like my
whole family and some guy.

Speaker 2 (36:37):
Yeah, well the guy brought his wife Mary, Okay, so
I think they were kind of acting as like the
casual crew.

Speaker 1 (36:44):
It was a swing situation. It was super key party.

Speaker 2 (36:47):
So because this was also in uh oh, this was
nineteen sixty one, okay. So they sailed out of Florida
on November eighth, nineteen sixty one, and they sailed east
toward the island of Bimini Bill sorry, And then they

(37:11):
went on to Sandy Point on the Great Abacco Island
and the family spent a week there snorkeling and collecting
shells on pink and white beaches. They just had a
gorgeous vacation and they had such a good time that
doctor Duperreau told the village commissioner, because they had to
fill out paperwork to go back to America, that he

(37:34):
planned to return before Christmas. So they were super into
this sail boating family dream.

Speaker 1 (37:40):
Cool.

Speaker 2 (37:42):
So then they left and they set sail for home,
and that night, around nine pm, Terry Joe headed downstairs
to her sleeping quarters in the back of the boat.

Speaker 1 (37:51):
Her brother and little sister had stayed upstairs.

Speaker 2 (37:54):
In the cockpit with the parents, and around eleven, she
woke up because she heard her brother yelling Daddy help,
and then she heard stomping sounds, and then it went quiet,
and she laid in her bunk, shaking and confused.

Speaker 1 (38:10):
And not sure what was going on. She's eleven, she's
eleven years old, my go So finally she sneaks up
to the main cabin.

Speaker 2 (38:20):
And she sees her mother and brother lying in a
big pool of blood.

Speaker 1 (38:24):
Holy shit.

Speaker 2 (38:26):
So she said this second she saw them, she knew
they were dead. So she went past them and snuck
up to the cockpit hatch and she stuck her head out,
and she saw more blood on the deck, and.

Speaker 1 (38:41):
She saw a knife on the ground.

Speaker 2 (38:43):
So she crawls out of the hatch because she's trying
to find her dad, and Captain Harvey runs at her
and girls get back down there and pushes her down
the stairs.

Speaker 1 (38:52):
Holy shit.

Speaker 2 (38:53):
So she closes her eyes, runs past her brother and
mom and goes back to her bunk, gets into her
goes back to her cabin and gets back in the bunk.
She lays her she doesn't know what to do. She's
obviously probably in shock, freaking out. Then she hears sloshing
and she looks down and the floor of her sleeping

(39:13):
quarters is covered in oily water, and she realizes.

Speaker 1 (39:18):
This ship is sinking. Oh my god.

Speaker 2 (39:20):
So she's afraid to move, but she looks up and
then suddenly the captain's standing in the doorway staring at her,
and he's carrying her brother's rifle, and he stares at
her for a little bit, then he just turns and
walks away. So she lays in bed, frozen stiff, doesn't
know what to do. But pretty soon the water's up

(39:42):
to her mattress, so she knew she had to get
out of there, so she wades through waste deep water
out of her cabin or out of her quarters, out
through the main cabin. She goes back up on deck
and she looks over the side and she sees that
the life raft is already in the water. And Captain

(40:04):
Harvey walks up to her and hands her the rope
that connects connecting the life raft and says, hold onto this,
I'll be.

Speaker 1 (40:11):
Back in a second.

Speaker 2 (40:12):
And she's in such shock and fear she drops the
rope and so as he's walking away, he looks and
sees that the rope is going and the dinghy starting
to float away, so he dives in after it. And uh,
he dives in after it, and she watched him swim
after the boat and disappear.

Speaker 1 (40:32):
To good night. Oh God, I have so many questions going.

Speaker 2 (40:36):
I stole that last line directly from the Reader's Digest
article that I was reading about this story. I read
several articles about it, but Readers Digest was the main one,
and I just want to thank them for being an
American classic.

Speaker 1 (40:47):
I miss that. I used to read this when I
was a kid. That's all I read. When you went
to the bathroom at your aunt's house. I didn't want
to say it.

Speaker 2 (40:53):
That's all about Reader's Die Dog cover to cover, So okay.
So it's an eleven year old girl standing on a
sinking boat frock who's witnessed her family murdered, part of
her family murdered.

Speaker 1 (41:08):
What does she do? Does she cry? Does she cower? No?

Speaker 2 (41:12):
She remembers that there is a small cork life raft
in the cockpit, so she runs and grabs it. And
as she does, as she grabs a hold of it,
And they don't describe this that much but she basically
runs forward to the front of the boat grabs the
life raft. By the time she gets there, the boat

(41:34):
is sinking under her feet, so she is just enough
time to jump onto it as the boat goes under
the water. So she basically went down with this ship
and then jumped onto this little cork life raft. So
now she's alone at sea in a tiny raft. It's

(41:55):
three feet long. I mean you saw it in that picture.
She doesn't fit into it. She didn't lay down in it.
It's half her it's probably like can hold her legs.
So she has a blouse and pants on. She's freezing cold.
It's pitch black, there's no moon out. She can't see.
So she keeps getting hit with huge waves and the

(42:15):
salt water's getting in her eyes and staining her eyes.
She can't open her eyes, and she's afraid that Captain
Harvey is nearby.

Speaker 1 (42:21):
Oh my god.

Speaker 2 (42:22):
So that's then it starts raining. So her first night
out in the water.

Speaker 1 (42:27):
Bad news.

Speaker 2 (42:28):
Okay, anytime you're lost, you're out at sea. I wouldn't
be looking for good news.

Speaker 1 (42:33):
Although I wonder if but that not salt water that
it was raining down was helpful on somewhat like she
could drink it or so.

Speaker 2 (42:40):
Oh, maybe you mean hydration wise. Yeah, for a second,
I thought you meant. I wonder if if she was
in a fresh water, was she in a fish dead?
Was she did she go to lake have a suit? Okay,
so she wake wakes up the next morning, the sun
comes out. She's not cold anymore. Now of course she's
boiling hot. Uh.

Speaker 1 (43:02):
Oh, I've seen Joe versus volcanew. I know what it's okay, Yeah,
you know what it's like to be on a raft.

Speaker 2 (43:07):
But his raft was nice, it's huge, he had the
great suitcase. Her raft was slowly disintegrated.

Speaker 1 (43:14):
No, yes, sweet baby angel.

Speaker 2 (43:16):
So she has to hang her legs over the side
to float, like the plastic rubbery part that has the
air in it is the part that's not disintegrating. So
she has to sit on the edge and then hang
her legs over the side. Then parrotfish come and start
biting her legs.

Speaker 1 (43:31):
What are parrot fish? They sound like dicks. I don't know.
It sounds like a struck biting her legs. I bet
they're the ones that you see in tropical fish tanks.

Speaker 2 (43:39):
Yeah, they think they're all big with their fancy colors
and their teeth.

Speaker 1 (43:45):
Fucking shark food. So uh, that's her first day. It sucks.
The next day, it sucks is the best I've ever heard.

Speaker 2 (43:57):
The next day she wakes up her tongue is swelling
in her mouth because of all the salt that she's
taking in and no hydration. And then she sees a
plane and she's waving. She takes her shirt off and
waves and waves and waves this white shirt over her head.
It dips down toward her a little bit and then
flies away and never comes back. Wait what No, Yeah,

(44:17):
that was how she was gonna get saved.

Speaker 1 (44:18):
Nope.

Speaker 2 (44:19):
So that afternoon she spots some shapes swimming in the
water about thirty yards away, and she's scared to death
because she thinks they're.

Speaker 1 (44:28):
Sharks under faux.

Speaker 2 (44:30):
When they come closer, it's a pot of porpoises that
swim with her. No for hours, no, an hour never, No,
Now we all cry at the beauty of names.

Speaker 1 (44:40):
Are you? Are you? This is one percent for sure?

Speaker 2 (44:43):
Yes, this is from her. This is her book alone,
Orphan of the Ocean.

Speaker 1 (44:49):
What did they? What they? Because I know, but like,
how did it happen? Oh? My god?

Speaker 2 (44:53):
Have you ever seen those specials where they have children
that have like brain damage or some kind of disease,
get into water with a dolphin. They do studies and
their brain function improves.

Speaker 1 (45:06):
When they're around dolphins.

Speaker 2 (45:08):
Dolphins have like weird fucking children esp and they know
when something's in the water and needs their help, and they're.

Speaker 1 (45:14):
Beautiful agreed to you have to stop killing them. Okay,
So I thought you were there. I thought you were
really cragging for a second.

Speaker 2 (45:27):
What if I was accusing you personally of falling that Georgia,
Please with low your tuna, all right?

Speaker 1 (45:33):
Okay, so that night, the sea is totally still.

Speaker 2 (45:37):
Now that I'm gonna admit to a half lie in
this because I remember this from the book. But I
read this book almost twenty years ago. Okay, knows I've
layered on top of this, but I'm pretty sure I
remember this.

Speaker 1 (45:50):
Yeah, that the sea this one night was still.

Speaker 2 (45:53):
So she could see the stars like down down to
the horizon, and there was bioluminescent algae and water, so
it was all like she basically said, she wasn't that
scared until the very end, because these cool things kept happening,
and that was one of them that she saw like that,
the whole ocean was glowing green, and then she could

(46:15):
see every single star.

Speaker 1 (46:17):
This reminds me of James and the Giant Peach. Yeah,
remember when they were in the ocean and the piece.
I fucking love that book. I read.

Speaker 2 (46:24):
That was my favorite book in the whole world, except
for the copy I had because it was from like
nineteen seventy nine. Because it's when I was a child.
There was an illustration of James at the beginning. That
is the saddest picture of any child ever. I tweeted
it one time. Oh my god, it's so sad.

Speaker 1 (46:40):
When his parents got killed by a fucking rhino that
escaped from the zoo. Yah Harvey. That's why I always
thought my my parents were going to die. Because that
was my favorite book.

Speaker 2 (46:49):
Yes, because Roddahll liked to plant those pretty early and often.
Just be prepared to be an orphan justin case.

Speaker 1 (46:55):
Which I appreciate to a degree.

Speaker 2 (46:57):
He should have said, be prepared to be an orphan
of the sea, yeah, because that could also happen.

Speaker 1 (47:01):
Okay, tie it in, go ahead, So I had to
bring it back.

Speaker 2 (47:06):
That night, when she fell asleep, she dreamed she saw
her father peacefully drinking a glass of red wine and
telling her, come on, we're leaving. So when she woke
up on the third day, she was really sore. Her
skin was burnt through her clothes, all her joints ached.
She had been balancing on the edge of that raft

(47:26):
because almost all the bottom was now gone, and she
started hallucinating. She would see tiny islands with one palm
tree on them, and then start paddling, paddling, paddling, and
then when.

Speaker 1 (47:36):
She'd get to them, they would disappear. Oh my god,
on the fourth far side, comic. I know.

Speaker 2 (47:44):
On the fourth day she didn't wake up in the morning.
She was losing consciousness. She was close to death. And
when she finally did wake up, she woke up because
she felt a shadow over her. And when she opened
her eyes, she said she saw a huge whale hanging
in the air above her.

Speaker 3 (48:01):
WHOA.

Speaker 2 (48:02):
But what it actually was was a Greek freighter that
miraculously had someone had spotted her on this Greek freighter,
and that's the person. One of the people, one of
the sailors on this ship took that picture that I
showed you Holy the second they saw her.

Speaker 1 (48:20):
So that was her still lost at sea basically. Oh,
and she didn't even know yet.

Speaker 2 (48:25):
So she for her, the experience for her was a
whale was hanging over her, and then she was being
lifted in the air, and then she was in big
strong arms, and then she was asleep, and the next
thing she knew, she woke up and she was at
the hospital in Florida. Star whale and Greek arms. So
they'd have that real good hair, real good wrist.

Speaker 1 (48:47):
Shiny, maybe a pipe probably it smells like smells like
a pipe. He smells like a pipe.

Speaker 2 (48:53):
Smell like a pipe.

Speaker 1 (48:55):
Have a big beard. Oh yeah, okay, okay, this is
just our fantasy.

Speaker 2 (48:59):
Yes, different podcast, all right, So she got helicopter to
the hospital in Miami. She was treated for dehydration and
severe sunburn. In a week, she recovered with no serious injuries.

Speaker 1 (49:12):
But not so for doctor.

Speaker 2 (49:14):
For Captain Julie Julian Harvey.

Speaker 1 (49:17):
I'm gonna call him doctor.

Speaker 2 (49:20):
So Captain Harvey was rescued the next day by a
lookout on an oil tanker that was headed for Puerto Rico,
and when they found him, he had the dead body
of Terry Joe's seven year old sister Renee.

Speaker 1 (49:34):
In the life wrath. What why? Uh?

Speaker 2 (49:37):
He told the coast guard that he had found her
in the water and tried to revive her and so basically,
but she the the autopsy showed that she she drowned.

Speaker 1 (49:48):
So uh.

Speaker 2 (49:50):
He The story he told the coastguard was that the
Bluebell was damaged in a squall in the middle of
the night, and his wife and the Duperos were injured
when the masts and rigging collapsed. He said, gas lines
in the engine room ruptured and the ship caught fire
as it slowly sank. He said he'd managed to launch
the dinghy and raft and dive overboard, but the tangled

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rigging had trapped everyone else on board. The police were
totally suspicious, but there.

Speaker 1 (50:17):
Was nothing to prove otherwise.

Speaker 2 (50:19):
And then three days later, Terry Joe shows up survived boom,
and when Harvey finds out that she survived, he killed
himself in his hotel round Holy shit. So turns out
they do some investigating and Harvey had serious financial problems
and he had just taken out a life insurance policy
on his wife married.

Speaker 1 (50:41):
Fucking life insurance policies.

Speaker 2 (50:43):
They need to there needs to be more steps before
you can just take out a life insurance policy on
your wife yea or husband, yeah, our children. The police
theorized that he had killed his wife and the insurance money,
but was caught in the act by Arthur Debreeau, prompting him,
prompting Harvey to murder him and the rest of his family.

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It was found later found that Mary had been Harvey's
sixth wife, and not the first.

Speaker 1 (51:12):
To die while married to him.

Speaker 2 (51:14):
Come on, he had miraculously survived a car accident that
had claimed another wife of his and her mother. Both
his yacht Torbatross, which is a terrible fucking name, and
his powerboat Valiant had both sunk under suspicious circumstances. They
had all yielded large insurance settlements. Turns out Captain Harvey

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was kind.

Speaker 1 (51:38):
Of a serial killer. Oh my god.

Speaker 2 (51:41):
Terry Joe was raised in Wisconsin by her aunt. She
never talked about the ordeal. Her family told everyone not
to bring it up in front of her. So she
lived with this for years and years and years.

Speaker 1 (51:54):
Does that say mentally healthy to you?

Speaker 2 (51:55):
It is not mentally healthy. It's the worst thing you
could do.

Speaker 1 (51:59):
Talk about your trauma. You have to talk about it,
talk about it to someone who is trained professionally.

Speaker 2 (52:04):
Someone cool and who's trained.

Speaker 1 (52:07):
You have to talk about things like you.

Speaker 2 (52:08):
I mean, come on, I think if people I think
these days people know that. But this was the sixties,
it was Wisconsin. Yeah, present this, I mean, that's you know,
that's what a lot of families do. My family is
very much like, don't bring it up. Yeah, we don't
want to bother anybody.

Speaker 1 (52:23):
Right.

Speaker 2 (52:25):
So she finally went to therapy as an adult, and
fifty years later she wrote a book with a survival
psychologist named Richard Logan called Alone Orphaned.

Speaker 1 (52:37):
On the Ocean, Oh my gosh.

Speaker 2 (52:39):
And she actually took a sodium amatol, which I believe
is oh true true, so that she could remember everything.

Speaker 1 (52:47):
So she went all the way back. So fucking cool.

Speaker 2 (52:50):
Yeah, holy shit, that's our girl, Terry Joe Debeau.

Speaker 1 (52:53):
I want to read that.

Speaker 2 (52:55):
And she has an eye survived, No, of course she does.

Speaker 1 (52:58):
Really.

Speaker 2 (52:59):
Yeah, I want to see that. But I didn't pick
this one because I saw it when I survived, because
the I survived doesn't for me doesn't.

Speaker 1 (53:05):
Tell you enough. They take all the good ones, they really,
I mean they do. That is so I have never
heard that before.

Speaker 2 (53:13):
That's a good one right, very eleven years old.

Speaker 1 (53:15):
I think you won. Is this a game? I think
you wan? It can't be a game. Please.

Speaker 2 (53:21):
Well, also, if it's a game, the people when you know,
when you have a big captive Captain Harvey is a
serial killer reveal I mean.

Speaker 1 (53:29):
Yeah, But also a girl surriding in the boat. That's
pretty fucking sweet.

Speaker 2 (53:33):
It's pretty goddamn cinematic.

Speaker 1 (53:35):
Can I add that none of the hands of the
family and the bathtub were tied behind their back.

Speaker 2 (53:40):
Where were they tied?

Speaker 1 (53:41):
They weren't tied with what I or like, So maybe
they weren't conscious from being strangled. Yes, they would have
to be because there was no defense.

Speaker 2 (53:48):
There's no defense, there's no fighting, but their hands are free.

Speaker 1 (53:51):
Yeah, but yeah, yes, that doesn't make sense. No, okay,
I'm not trying to one up you.

Speaker 2 (53:57):
I'm just nod that part.

Speaker 1 (53:59):
Please please.

Speaker 2 (54:02):
But also you said the wife was strangled, but the
other two had rope burns around their.

Speaker 1 (54:08):
Neck like they were hungs. No, I think they were
all strangled. Okay, bye bye. Oh there's like a like
a some kind of rope that would like that they
got at the house, so so it's not like they
brought these weapons with them whoever killed them?

Speaker 3 (54:23):
Right?

Speaker 2 (54:24):
Right, And this might be a good time to say,
considering the fact that that guy's a lawyer, that everything
that we accuse him of is.

Speaker 1 (54:33):
Alleged, alleged, say and not proven, speculation, gossip. Yeah, podcasting. Fuck,
you're right, ses, please don't telling us. And that was
the end of the podcast, so that they did and
did not.

Speaker 2 (54:48):
Ladies think you're smart, You think you're funny and smart.

Speaker 1 (54:51):
Guess what is that how he sounds?

Speaker 2 (54:53):
He's from North Carolina? Right, sure, I don't know where
that accent?

Speaker 1 (54:57):
No, I buy it? Well, that's the fucked up ship. Yeah, well,
go to our Instagram, Instagram dot com, slash my.

Speaker 2 (55:07):
Favorite murder, go to Twitter my favor murder at.

Speaker 1 (55:10):
Twitter, facebook page, fucking hang out with us, hang out.

Speaker 2 (55:15):
Oh. But the one thing I will say is now
we're getting lots of recommendations. If it's ont let's stop
pretending Netflix has a bunch of choices. Netflix has like,
let's say, twenty British shows.

Speaker 1 (55:30):
Yeah, we've seen them all. If it's on Netflix or HBO.

Speaker 2 (55:35):
The challenge to you is to find a British procedural
I haven't seen. Good luck and the person who suggested
dci banks I laugh in your face, just kidding. I
don't even think that's what they suggested. But I mean
I've seen I've honestly seen them all. Someone said, I've
seen them all, including Midsummer Midsommer Mysteries, which really is
like total Gramdma TV. I've tried to watch that one too,

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but it's very Gramma. You love that shit, man, I do.
Sorry that that was just I had to tag down.

Speaker 1 (56:04):
No, I got it. I appreciate it. It's kind of it's sweet.
It's the intentions are sweet, of course, but also enough.

Speaker 2 (56:13):
Well, just give me something new.

Speaker 1 (56:15):
Yeah, that's all for sure. Yeah, well you guys, thanks
for listening.

Speaker 2 (56:21):
You guys.

Speaker 1 (56:24):
Oh I haven't even asked you yet.

Speaker 2 (56:26):
Yeah, you're jumping your line.

Speaker 1 (56:29):
Do you want a cookie?

Speaker 2 (56:31):
There you go