36 - Live from LA Podcast Festival

This week, it's the first ever live My Favorite Murder broadcast from the LA Podcast Festival. Karen, Georgia and comedian/The Dollop co-host Dave Anthony talk about the Trailside Killer, the Wineville Chicken Coop Murders and Australian murderer Mark Erinn Rust.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:27):
All right, we did this wrong. All right, there's trash.
Just don't worry about the.

Speaker 2 (00:30):
True glamorous, classy professional.

Speaker 1 (00:36):
Hi, welcome to my favorite Murder Live. Everybody. We had them,
We had them recreate my apartment.

Speaker 2 (00:47):
Yes, on stage, Georgia's blue curtains are gorgeous.

Speaker 1 (00:53):
Oh my god, can we talk about this? Yes? Can
we please? Karen tell me everything?

Speaker 2 (00:58):
Well, last week when we were talking about how we
are going to come and do a live podcast, and
we were talking about all the things we needed to
do and bring and have to recreate this same environment
that we have in Georgia's hot, hot apartment when we
record every week. And Georgia made joke and said, I

(01:19):
guess I'll buy a cage to bring Elvis.

Speaker 3 (01:21):
And I said, or you could just have him stuffed.

Speaker 2 (01:23):
And her heart broke in front of me. And now
I'm that friend. So I've been trying to think for
like six days or anything, like you got to make
good on that piece of bullshit. And then I remembered
that I'm a compulsive vinched stiff store shopper, and I

(01:44):
got shit like this laying around by the dozens, and
I was like, excuse, waita you have a some sixth
grade teacher hand knit a Siamese cat and it's just
been sitting in a closet for like fucking so even
years and make answer, yes, Elvis is here.

Speaker 1 (02:07):
When I saw that backstage, I was like, I'm not
supposed to see that, and if I look at it,
I'm gonna cry. So I didn't because it's so sweet,
and so I didn't look at it. What happens kind
of Okay, there we go. Have you gotten a good
look at it?

Speaker 2 (02:22):
Because there's truly about four years of dust right on
the top.

Speaker 1 (02:26):
You guys can see that and a lot Karen, thank
you so much.

Speaker 2 (02:30):
And I would have dusted it off, but I was
running late.

Speaker 1 (02:34):
And if you know my apartment, you don't know my apartment.
This is the most perfect thing for my apartment. It's
going to match it like it's like it's like a
grandma and there's like seafoam happening. It's a sea foamy
apartment everything. It makes me so thank you so much, Karen,
You're welcome. I got you a nothing, so it's I'm.

Speaker 2 (02:55):
Going to catch a moon beam in my pocket. Save
it to our first live show. Look at it, you guys,
I'm nervous.

Speaker 1 (03:08):
I'm nervous. Are you nervous, I'm nervous.

Speaker 2 (03:10):
Let's talk it through. Okay, what do you think it
could happen? That's nerve wracking.

Speaker 1 (03:16):
Uh, it already happened often nothing dusty cat picture, no, nothing, nothing.
Everything's good.

Speaker 2 (03:23):
This is great, but we're just working through worst fears.
Comes to boyfriend right there where you can't stop making
eye contact.

Speaker 1 (03:31):
Well, that's his fault, not yours, good one, you know
what's yours mine is saying something so stupid and then
like silence. You know what I mean? Everyone laugh at that?

Speaker 4 (03:41):
Please loving you.

Speaker 2 (03:44):
Wow, Jeb Bush, that can't go good.

Speaker 1 (03:50):
Laugh at that because when you're doing it in my apartment,
it's like we're just talking to each other. I know,
let's just I'm time, we're talking to each other.

Speaker 2 (03:58):
Good plan, because you still have to talk to me,
I insist.

Speaker 1 (04:03):
Okay, yeah, we're very excited.

Speaker 2 (04:06):
It's obviously we can't do our normal house cleaning, I
mean housekeeping. It was like I messed up my line
already keeping house keeping keeping.

Speaker 1 (04:17):
Do you have any I don't.

Speaker 2 (04:18):
Oh yes I have one, but it's like heartfelt and
touching housekeeping. It has nothing to do with me not
knowing the capital of Norway or whatever the fuck ignorance
is exposed on this goddamn podcast every week. I used
to think I was super smart. You should have seen
me in the nineties, fucking plan Jeopardy at home and shit.

(04:39):
Now now I'm like a shell of a woman. So uh,
dust in the head of Feral Audio forwarded this email
to us the other day. Also brought us flower and
he brought us double roses. Yeah, that's right, that's exactly
how you do it. Who's that character? So this is

(05:02):
the email he sent, and it says some of you
will recognize this if you've listened to the podcast recently. Hi,
Karen and Georgia. Oh my god, just heard your podcast
about me. You too made me cry and feel so honored.
While my attack was horrible, hearing you too reminded me
that my story might help other women. Thank you for

(05:23):
this gift tonight. It's been twenty one years. I'm raising
my son and daughter, trying to prepare them for a
crazy world. My attack is now part of my DNA
just who I am. But you honored me by reminding me,
even me that stories of survival remind us all of
the gift of life and challenge of our survival.

Speaker 3 (05:42):
Call me if she gave us her phone number. It's
Jennifer Maury.

Speaker 5 (05:46):
The chick who yeah, woman who got attacked by the security.

Speaker 2 (05:49):
Guards, story who held her open neck open closed with
a towel.

Speaker 1 (05:56):
She doesn't hate us, she wants us to call her,
is super into it. What the fuck.

Speaker 2 (06:06):
We're gonna fucking call her? Dude, we can't do it now,
that'd be the invasion of privacy. Jenner, We're all here,
Jennifer will color head your neck together.

Speaker 1 (06:20):
That's bananas, because like I feel like we're both always
afraid that we're like, you know, we don't want to
make any victims feel that we're just like exploiting them.

Speaker 3 (06:28):
There's so many there's so many potholes to fall into.

Speaker 1 (06:32):
Just like, I know you were really happy to get
this like nice fucking email from someone that we talked like,
that's piaus.

Speaker 2 (06:39):
Well.

Speaker 3 (06:39):
Also, I'm so obsessed with the show.

Speaker 1 (06:41):
I survived that Jennifer too.

Speaker 2 (06:44):
But Jennifer, But Jennifer moriy is like one of my
real housewives, only she did something way fucking cool, cool,
Like she's a badass.

Speaker 1 (06:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (06:54):
Also probably a housewife.

Speaker 1 (06:57):
So yeah, it serves to be a housewife at this point.
Take your fucking day off.

Speaker 2 (07:01):
Well that's the cool thing is she's an attorney and
she's a victims rights advocate, so she's going for it.

Speaker 1 (07:07):
We have no excuse.

Speaker 2 (07:10):
We have to leave this podcast festival right now and
help someone.

Speaker 1 (07:14):
Let's go, all of us.

Speaker 5 (07:17):
We just make everyone leave the book and become victims
rights advocates.

Speaker 2 (07:22):
Tonight, children tonight near the Beverly Center.

Speaker 1 (07:25):
There's a van outside and signing everyone up, and we'll
know if you don't do it. What else? Oh well,
I don't want to do it. We have shirts. Just
do it. It's fine. We have shirts. There's no shirts.
It's fine. They're pretty good. Have you seen them? They're
fucking pretty fucking cool.

Speaker 3 (07:43):
They're really where's really our.

Speaker 1 (07:44):
Friend catsul One, who's just like really awesome, like true
crime obsessed director and like creator and artists design them
for us and they look they look like they look
like book covers from the sixties of like Valley of
the Dolls stuff. Yeah, it doesn't anyways, let's move on.

Speaker 2 (08:02):
Are you going to bail out of every No?

Speaker 1 (08:06):
Just that one.

Speaker 2 (08:06):
Then there was a murder anyway, keep moving, keep just
keep talking.

Speaker 1 (08:10):
It's fine, all right.

Speaker 2 (08:13):
Uh, I feel like there was another thing that we
were supposed to mention you guys.

Speaker 1 (08:19):
You're used to this already, except Stephen edits this part out.

Speaker 2 (08:24):
Yeah, that's rights are going to get pulled on the podcast.

Speaker 1 (08:27):
Drink it in, all right, I guess we just bring
out it. Let's just do it.

Speaker 2 (08:33):
I only have ninety minutes, so after we interview each
and every one of you, I think then we're going to.

Speaker 1 (08:42):
Go to the cards.

Speaker 2 (08:45):
Well, our guest tonight, excitingly enough, is uh one of
the hosts of The Dollop and he's my first comedy boyfriend.
So please welcome the stage, Dave Anthony.

Speaker 1 (09:06):
Oh that's aw h. Thank you. Guys are at the
table and I'm over here. I know, get in here.
Let's uh scoot it all.

Speaker 3 (09:13):
Over Rose this thing?

Speaker 4 (09:17):
How is that? By the way, I had a friend
in New York who had the sciatica thing.

Speaker 1 (09:22):
How did she cure it? Oh?

Speaker 4 (09:23):
She didn't make it?

Speaker 1 (09:26):
That's awful.

Speaker 4 (09:27):
Yeah, I probably shouldn't have brought that up.

Speaker 1 (09:29):
That sack.

Speaker 4 (09:31):
You know what, I don't remember how she but you
probably get a lot of suggestions.

Speaker 1 (09:35):
I'm getting so many but very nice ones. Thank you everyone.

Speaker 4 (09:38):
That's good because that's a she I remember her going through.
It was it was terrible sucks. I had a little.

Speaker 1 (09:46):
You know, some people have a war in their country,
so it's hard to complain about.

Speaker 4 (09:49):
Yeah, you know what, don't complain about your own pain
because people war.

Speaker 1 (09:55):
Yeah, so that's actually America's next top model quote that
I just loved. There was and there was some girl
like you know when they do the like the ghosties
on the show and like they have to run around
like find their own way. And there was one girl
who was like from fucking like Croatia and shoot and
they didn't make it to a ghostie. And the other
girl who's like from fucking you know, Utah, was like

(10:17):
freaking out and crying. And believe me, the Croatian girl goes,
some people have war in their country. That was like
ten years ago when I still say it because it's
so true.

Speaker 4 (10:29):
Well, but that's a classic Croatian saying.

Speaker 2 (10:31):
I mean, they'll always have the one up because they
can always throw that in your face.

Speaker 1 (10:36):
It's like, I get it that accent.

Speaker 4 (10:39):
You're like, all right, people war to your country.

Speaker 1 (10:48):
That's our country. Dave, will you please tell us about
your favorite murder?

Speaker 2 (10:54):
Oh my god, David, this is our first guest murder went.

Speaker 4 (11:00):
Back and I was like, well, they've had to have
a guest on and you guys.

Speaker 3 (11:03):
Had No, we don't. Very first, we expressly do not.

Speaker 1 (11:06):
Yeah, Elvis and Steven are the only people we've had
in the podcast.

Speaker 4 (11:09):
So my favorite murder by I took a really great
picture of us and I just posted it.

Speaker 1 (11:18):
I think, did we know? It's Bruise picking my nose?

Speaker 4 (11:27):
Me and Georgia Backsta, she is my favorite ghost, Georgia.
That's Georgina, I turn off. I never called you a
asshole for that. So I grew up near Karen. I

(11:48):
grew up just south of her, in a place called
Marine County. Uh. Inmer County, we have a place called
Mount Tamil pious.

Speaker 1 (11:57):
Yeah, just the one. Been there.

Speaker 4 (12:00):
Some really fucking great things happen. I'm at Yeah. Uh,
this says shark attacks. So let's bring up the actual one.
I've got to go to my email.

Speaker 1 (12:15):
You guys tell you the notes.

Speaker 4 (12:17):
No, you guys have been you guys have been reading
you guys have been reading Wikipedia. I've been listening as
it's not as fluid, and it's crazy. It used to
be right and then you get correcting corner.

Speaker 2 (12:30):
Yeah, it's made us millions of dollars.

Speaker 4 (12:34):
I do a carefully crafted podcast which makes us much
less money than that. Okay, but it's uh oh.

Speaker 1 (12:47):
I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry.

Speaker 4 (12:50):
Some guy what some guy one time on Twitter? Also
he comes out to nowhere and he.

Speaker 6 (12:54):
Goes, stupid podcast. You just reread Wikipedia, you talk about it.
I was like, yeah, I mean, I don't know, that's
your tia, that's what I'm doing. Yeah, that's it.

Speaker 4 (13:08):
But then I got I got in trouble, so you
don't do that anymore. Okay. So I put a data
May sixth thirty.

Speaker 1 (13:19):
I can't that's called it. I cannot do that. It's
called a mash. It's called the crossover.

Speaker 3 (13:23):
It's called a mixtape.

Speaker 1 (13:25):
Okay.

Speaker 4 (13:26):
So David Carpenter and you obviously know I was doing
this one because who else would I do? From rin
So he's Barney terms just go uh. Raised by very
strict and aggressive parents. Alcoholic father beat him up, neglected him.
His mother was very domineering and nearly blind. What So
that's like.

Speaker 1 (13:46):
How to make a murderer.

Speaker 4 (13:47):
I mean, I mean, how did not murder at three?

Speaker 1 (13:51):
Ye? Wait?

Speaker 2 (13:53):
Blind and aggressive? What does that look like? Messy lights?

Speaker 4 (14:00):
There's a lot of punching of you and then like
a wall, a lot of lamp spoken.

Speaker 1 (14:06):
In that house.

Speaker 2 (14:08):
It's not a flower stayed in a vase through his
whole childhood.

Speaker 1 (14:12):
Get over here things.

Speaker 4 (14:16):
So when when he was seven he was stuttering so badly,
he had a difficult time in any social situation. See
what she just did. I just let her backstage. That's
why we don't do terrible, really really terrible murders on
the doll because neither I or Gareth would go.

Speaker 1 (14:32):
Oh.

Speaker 4 (14:35):
Ever, and then it's a different show where you're like,
fuck are these guys doing?

Speaker 1 (14:41):
The humanity?

Speaker 4 (14:42):
Empathy helps. So he's stuttering horribly, then he was being ridiculed,
which made him painfully reclusive. To get him over this,
his parents forced him into extra curricular activities. I've been there,
jazz piano and ballet.

Speaker 1 (15:06):
That old blind bitch.

Speaker 2 (15:09):
Buck her, Seriously, that is passive aggression, if not overt aggression.

Speaker 1 (15:17):
She can't even see him doing ballet.

Speaker 2 (15:21):
Enjoy that.

Speaker 1 (15:23):
Purely for the humiliation.

Speaker 4 (15:29):
So Ali, that did not help his crippling stutter. He
then began to take out his frustrations on animals, and
he became a bedwether ding dong.

Speaker 1 (15:41):
We got yeah, we got so far? When does he
hit his head in ballet class.

Speaker 2 (15:48):
To give us the majestic trifecta of serial killing.

Speaker 4 (15:55):
Then when he became a teenager, he started molesting children.
He was arrested for molesting his two cousins three and eight.
He served a year for that crime.

Speaker 7 (16:06):
Good, oh, you're gonna enjoy the sentences and this one
uh and then he was released.

Speaker 4 (16:13):
He became even more of a predator, continuing less thing
until he met a woman, Ellen Heatel, who had no
sense of anything, and got married. She's like, you seem
so fucking weird and your family is crazy. Let's get married.

Speaker 3 (16:28):
I want to lock this down.

Speaker 4 (16:34):
He he worked at different jobs. He was a ship's purser.
My dad is, I have no idea what it is.
I think you run around giving ladies purses.

Speaker 2 (16:43):
No, it's it's Gopher from the Love Book. You just
carry bags and stuff.

Speaker 4 (16:49):
That's it. So you're like a bell boy on a ship,
right exactly?

Speaker 1 (16:51):
Okay, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4 (16:53):
I wasn't sure what it was. I just I just
assumed someone here would know Karen Let's. He was also
a salesman and a printer. He had a very serious
need for sex and was very demanding. He needed to
have sex three times a night.

Speaker 1 (17:15):
He waved it.

Speaker 2 (17:16):
He saved it all till the nineteen Yeah, he wouldn't
sprinkle it throughout one.

Speaker 4 (17:19):
Morning, like, come on, everyone, come on near it a
night night hours, he's a he's a night fucker, trying.

Speaker 1 (17:29):
To read a book over here.

Speaker 4 (17:33):
Will you do it?

Speaker 1 (17:33):
You do it? I'll do what I do.

Speaker 4 (17:40):
So I always find the build up to people are fascinating.
How they got there, in the in the dollop, it's
always and then there and then their mother father died
when they were three. Every story, yes everyone, And then
I assume you guys get a lot of bedweathers.

Speaker 1 (17:56):
Yeah, oh yeah, heading heads all the time, mean dad's bed.

Speaker 4 (18:04):
Uh so uh. He had three children with her, uh
and then he began prowling again. In nineteen sixty he
became friends with a woman uh Lois De'Andre no Deandrade,
and he invited her to meet his wife and started
including her in their lives. Then one day he took
her to work, but Instead of doing that, he drove
her to a wooded area of the presidio, which at

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that time was an army base, and pretended like he
was lost. At some point he grabbed her, straddled her,
bound her with a clothesline, and using a knife, he
threatened her and forced her to be still. He said
he had still. He said he had a funny quirk
that needed to be satisfied, real funny. It's not ballets.

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And then he put on it too too.

Speaker 1 (18:48):
This is terrible.

Speaker 4 (18:51):
She then tried to get away, and so he hit
her several times with a hammer.

Speaker 2 (18:54):
Aw.

Speaker 4 (18:54):
Fuck now, before and during the incident, he completely lost
his utter His speech was slow and deliberate and angry.

Speaker 1 (19:04):
Wow.

Speaker 4 (19:06):
Thankfully there was an MP on the base, and he
was very suspicious watching the car a.

Speaker 1 (19:13):
Woman getting hit in the fuck.

Speaker 2 (19:15):
He's like, I don't I don't like the light and
listen to that knife.

Speaker 1 (19:18):
I don't know. I would be too.

Speaker 2 (19:21):
She seems to be crying near the knife, so so
he hurt.

Speaker 4 (19:31):
And then he heard the cries for help and he
was near, so he came over and Carpenter got out
of the car and shot at him and missed, and
then the MP shot back and hit Carpenter in the leg,
and I think the back. Carpenter was arrested, but he
said his excuse was that he blacked out during the
whole attack, which is solid. Yeah, let him go, just
solid Excuseops. I don't remember hitting her with the hammer.

Speaker 2 (19:52):
I think I was napping.

Speaker 4 (19:56):
He was given a fourteen year sentence. Not that's it,
that's the story.

Speaker 3 (20:00):
Yeah, oh well, thanks for.

Speaker 4 (20:02):
Being here, and then for some reason, his wife divorced him.
I don't know why. During his stay in prison, psychiatrists
reported the Carpenter has a quote sociopathic personality disorder in
an IQ of one hundred and twenty five.

Speaker 1 (20:18):
That's too many IQs.

Speaker 2 (20:22):
Your amount makes me nervous.

Speaker 1 (20:24):
That many that's more than me, for sure, more than I.

Speaker 4 (20:37):
In nineteen sixty nine, he was freed after nine years
being a catch. He remarried four months after getting out.

Speaker 2 (20:46):
Oh no, he'd been doing pushups and he goes out
one tattoo and he was like, he put a cigarette
in the corner of my mouth, and so.

Speaker 1 (20:55):
You think it sounds bad.

Speaker 4 (20:57):
But then if you see prison trim, just a trim, yeah,
you're like, all right, well, yeah, the other stuff the stutter,
the killing of animals, the molestation, the beating of a
woman with a hammer, like that. He looks good, he
looks past it.

Speaker 3 (21:16):
You can look past it, you get.

Speaker 4 (21:21):
But in under a year he returned to his ways
and the marriage was over. Then he hit a woman
with hit so he he drives. So there's a woman
driving and he hits her car and then he pulls
her out of it and starts ripping her clothes off
in the middle of the road.

Speaker 1 (21:38):
Terrified of this, this, I think about this all the time. What.

Speaker 2 (21:41):
Yeah, like someone intentionally hitting your page so they can
play all your clothes off.

Speaker 4 (21:46):
Oh, I mean, but who doesn't they? They like, I
was at State Farm Insurance the other day and they
brought that up.

Speaker 3 (21:54):
What a common accident situation?

Speaker 4 (21:57):
Yeah, they're like, have you have you? I know you've
been an offender? Better but as anybody ripped her clothes off,
and I was like, no, have you been? Thankfully not yet.

Speaker 1 (22:05):
There was a bender Pulley offer, what where are you?

Speaker 4 (22:11):
It's a I'm gonna describe that as a unique anxiety
that you have. So uh So she fought him and
then he stabbed her.

Speaker 1 (22:23):
She's somehowmentic anxiety about that.

Speaker 4 (22:28):
Weirdo. That way, she managed to get back in her
car and get away, and she got his license plate.

Speaker 1 (22:35):
Yeah, that kind of shit fucking amazing. Can she email
us and.

Speaker 2 (22:41):
She's like she probably had like crazy like thirty twenty
vision and she was just like just like blowing people
up with her mind.

Speaker 1 (22:48):
I was like, you're.

Speaker 2 (22:49):
Gonna fucking you're gonna pull my clothes off. I'll fucking
memorize every letter on.

Speaker 1 (22:54):
Your license plate. Amazing. His license plate was like a
vanity plate of like kill, I'm gonna kill, love to kill.

Speaker 4 (23:08):
One, so favoring that he was probably up Shit's creek
at this point, he broke into a home, kidnapped and
raped a woman, and stole her car. Two days later,
he snatched Sharon O'Donnell and held her with a shotgun,
but when he tried to switch license plate on the

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license plates on his car, she escaped. He then stole
another car. Later that day, he kidnapped and raped another woman,
and he was arrested later that day. This was February third,
nineteen seventy. He was going for it top day.

Speaker 1 (23:46):
We have those days, We're like I'm gonna fucking tick
every check Mark on MYRK to do list. I'm going
to get you done today. I'm sick of it.

Speaker 2 (23:52):
I will go to home depot, I will drop those
clothes off at the Goodwill. I will rape a ton
of people. I just have to do it.

Speaker 1 (24:06):
Oh no, this is the podcast where we get fucking
thrown because we're just like thinks so mean right now,
he's guys, I can't live that way. I can't live
under that pressure. I've got to be me. That's why
this works. That's why this works.

Speaker 4 (24:27):
So he was sentenced to seven years for kidnapp and
robber any plaid out. He also received two more years
for his pro violations. He got out in May nineteen
seventy nine, but was not listed as a sex offender. No, yeah,
I mean, why would you.

Speaker 1 (24:43):
No, he didn't do anything. I mean he offended, but
it wasn't sexual.

Speaker 4 (24:48):
He took up hiking as a hobby.

Speaker 1 (24:51):
Alone in the woods, pect not like other people.

Speaker 4 (24:56):
He liked the seclusion of the wilderness because.

Speaker 1 (24:58):
It did dressed like he was a clowne hiker.

Speaker 4 (25:07):
He'd like to grab women, So that's the perfect place.
Just three months after being released, while living at a
halfway house, he committed his first murder on augusteenth, nineteen
seventy nine. Eda Caine, forty four, was walking on the
trails of Mount tamil Pious, which overlooks gold and Get Bridge,
which is also where I grew up riding mountain bikes,
right next to my house. It is also where I
asked my wife to marry me. I didn't tell her

(25:27):
this part.

Speaker 1 (25:32):
That's why it works.

Speaker 4 (25:36):
And I love you. And there's another stuff we'll get
to like a week, we'll talk about it. But this
is a weird spot. So Eda was alone, I can
choose an attacked from behind, forced to get on her knees,
and begged for her life, and then he shot her

(25:56):
in the back of the head, execution style. Dick for
her body is found the next day. He had taken
ten dollars from a wallet, credit cards, and her glasses
and left very little evidence. Witnesses said they saw two
lone men. One was blonde and acting strange. The other
had on a dark blue jacket that made him sweat
and he hid his face.

Speaker 1 (26:16):
Which one is it?

Speaker 4 (26:17):
I mean, clearly, the guy walking around acting strange was
smoking pot and then the guy hiding his face is
the fucking killer. Yeah, one guy can wear with this
blonde and there's another guy like.

Speaker 1 (26:30):
Also wearing a jacket when it hot.

Speaker 2 (26:32):
It breaks me out so bad that immediately gave me
a stomach.

Speaker 1 (26:35):
Ache to think about that.

Speaker 4 (26:37):
You have only the fucked up people wear jackets like
a weird jacket. But you're a murderer. We should they
should be able to just arrest people wearing.

Speaker 1 (26:46):
Jackets murder or you're anorexic and you're fucking cold all
the time, yes, secret help. Either way, they should arrest
them both.

Speaker 4 (26:55):
I just spit on my iPad, said from us. Uh
so this guy was clearly carpenter. For a brief time,
people living in the area were freaked out, including young
Dave Anthony, but then things went back to normal like
nothing happened. Everything went by, and then everyone started walking
the trails again. He was released from the halfway house
he was living, and so when he did that, he

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was living in a halfway house and he went to
live with his parents.

Speaker 2 (27:20):
Remember to be proud of him, old blind bitch and
whoever the dad.

Speaker 4 (27:24):
Was, Yeah, why would you?

Speaker 1 (27:26):
Okay, you got to go to the swords, like you
can live here again, but you have to do balletmore.

Speaker 4 (27:33):
Put on this, he somehow found a way to pass
as a normal, productive citizen. He took courses in computer
printing at a trade school and graduated a degree. Then
in spring he went back to killing. In March, you
get stuffed down, right, you get stuffed down, and then
you're like, I gotta get back to my hobby.

Speaker 1 (27:56):
This computer printing is really stressing me out. I got
a relax.

Speaker 4 (28:03):
March, twenty th year old Barber Schwartz was walking on
Mount Tam when a thin, athletic man walked up to
Schwartz and her dogs started barking at him. He had
dark hair and wore hiking boots. He quickly just started
stabbing her with his ten inch knife.

Speaker 1 (28:18):
Fuck man.

Speaker 4 (28:19):
She was stabbed twelve times. She collapsed, and he ran
off and she was dead. Now, the reason we know
this is because this was all seen by a woman
who was standing in the trees watching. So some woman
just was sitting there sand I mean, look, everybody's a weirdo.

Speaker 1 (28:35):
Oh god, that was a misprint in the fucking newspaper.
I just promised you.

Speaker 2 (28:40):
What they didn't say is she had a wet night.
Count on, ma'am are you all right.

Speaker 1 (28:48):
There haven't been women around here and twenty five you.

Speaker 2 (28:52):
I don't no woman on the tree.

Speaker 1 (28:57):
What a terrible story this is, And that's that's the
tag on our podcast. What a terrible, terrible story.

Speaker 4 (29:07):
It's not a great one. I never thought i'd be
reading this in front of four hundred people. This is
not four hundred people. Now, that's your anxiety talking. So right,
seen by one of the trees. Unfortunately, she described Carpenter

(29:30):
horribly and the investigation would be misled for years because
of her terrible description.

Speaker 1 (29:37):
Shocking, she's crazy.

Speaker 4 (29:38):
Other people, other people in the area. So they saw
a man wearing glasses who looked about forty That was Carpenter.
The knife was sound days later.

Speaker 3 (29:48):
Would that woman have been like an egret or something?

Speaker 2 (29:51):
They're just like a bird standing in the forest. That's
terrible description. So mustache? Yes, I don't know.

Speaker 4 (30:05):
Okay, So the knife was found days later and a
TV reporter handled it, destroying the fingerprints.

Speaker 1 (30:21):
No, this is nineteen seventy this is seventy nine. Guys
like touching, touching. He's just like a super a touching thing.
What a story. They're gonna love this.

Speaker 2 (30:32):
Across the Bay nineteen seventy nine is not that long ago.

Speaker 1 (30:38):
This isn't Junker Bone.

Speaker 4 (30:40):
We totally had fingerprints figured out at that point.

Speaker 3 (30:44):
But other than that, just touch away. Who are their first?

Speaker 4 (30:48):
Carpenter also lost his prison issued glasses during the attack,
and with so crazy as a child from the sketches,
I totally remember the glasses. Yes, you're wearing them right,
I mean, weird time to bring up this is my hero.

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So the next day he went to an optometrist, Barbara
Schwartz optometrist the woman he had killed, to get new
glasses on purpose. No, no, total just happened.

Speaker 1 (31:25):
Since what the fuck? Now?

Speaker 4 (31:28):
He had a very unique prescription, and had the optometrist
who was questioned by police been told about his unique prescription,
he probably wouldn't been able to finger Carpenter right there
and then. And they had the glasses because the glasses
came off, So the cops had the prescription, but they
never thought to be like, what do you think about

(31:48):
a seventy thirty Oh, So now again people living around
the area are totally freaked out not going near Mount
Tam again. And then again time goes by and people
start going back to Mount.

Speaker 3 (32:00):
Tim The flowers are so pretty.

Speaker 4 (32:02):
It's hard to stay away. There's great trees, and there's
a woman standing and a gret like woman standing in
with a wet rope. So on October fifteenth, twenty six
year old Ann Alderson was sitting alone watching the sunset.

(32:22):
Don't do it a witness. A witness saw her and
also saw a weird fifty year old man, but decided
against warning her. Oh well, fron cocking, but I'm sure
he led a fine life with just him and his
bottle of whiskey, just sitting there going.

Speaker 1 (32:43):
Oh glook, glook glok. Yeah, that's horrifying.

Speaker 4 (32:45):
You would never forgive yourself that, of course. Yeah awful.

Speaker 2 (32:49):
That's the thing is like, don't just be rude, go
up to people and be like, Hi, I know this
makes me the weirdo, but there's a weirdo over here.

Speaker 1 (32:56):
Yeah you know. You you make a call who you
hate or run away from.

Speaker 4 (33:01):
But as a dude as it did you walk ever, go, hey,
there's a really weird guy.

Speaker 1 (33:08):
Coming clothes While I described the guy, can I drive
you home? Let me drive you away from.

Speaker 4 (33:15):
The creases like great pants in the right jork. I
totally understand why you wouldn't say it, but I also just,
what are.

Speaker 1 (33:27):
The fucking chances? Man? Let you see a weird like
I see a weirdo multiple times a day. Yeah, looking
in the mirror.

Speaker 4 (33:35):
Okay. So Anne was an escalation.

Speaker 2 (33:40):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (33:40):
She was raped and then allowed to dress again, and
then shot with a single bullet through the head. He
took her right earring and then propped her up to
make it look like she was sitting against a rock.
She also appeared to have been shot while begging for
her life and he was just getting rolling SEWNA May
was supposed to meet friends on November twenty eighth in

(34:00):
Point Raised National Seashore to go hiking. She was found
two days later. She was nude, and they'd been raped
and bound with picture frame wire, shot three times in
the head, and dumped into a trench. Right besides her
body was a second young woman, twenty two year old
Diana O'Connell. She had also gone missing, this time went
while hiking with friends.

Speaker 6 (34:22):
What what what?

Speaker 2 (34:22):
What?

Speaker 1 (34:22):
What? Oh?

Speaker 4 (34:23):
This is the worst. One of her friends was faster
and got ahead of her on the path and her
other friends.

Speaker 1 (34:37):
Am I wrong? She call me wrong? You're wrong?

Speaker 4 (34:42):
You're not because I had total empathy for that person.
I was like, man, you just want to get on
the top and.

Speaker 1 (34:46):
You go, congratulations, you're up there. We're talking about like
my new boy I'm dating, and you're just like bye.

Speaker 3 (34:53):
Bye, fuck you watched my cows ari?

Speaker 4 (34:57):
I fuck you? Okay? Then what about her other friend
who was slower that was behind her? Oh no, who's
the cunt? Now?

Speaker 1 (35:08):
I can't choose anymore. There's so many to pick from.

Speaker 4 (35:13):
It's a weird thing to go hiking with your friends
and then you all split up.

Speaker 1 (35:16):
We don't do that. That's why I don't hike.

Speaker 4 (35:19):
Or have front.

Speaker 1 (35:23):
It's not worth it.

Speaker 4 (35:26):
So she also disappeared. Her friends saw nothing because they
were so far head and behind, so either friend.

Speaker 2 (35:36):
It was as if they were all going and then
the middle they got to the top and they're like,
where is she?

Speaker 3 (35:40):
That's horrifying, like off the train and it was supposed
to be horrifying.

Speaker 4 (35:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (35:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (35:46):
Diana had been shot twice in the head a nearby.
A hiker nearby heard all the shots, and it appears
Carpenter had killed them both the girls at the same time. Wait,
so the two girls were sitting side by side in
a trench and he had killed them both at once. Yeah.
Uh a Diet had also been strangled and rape. The
police concluded one of the women had interrupted Carpenter attacking

(36:09):
the other woman, so he killed them both.

Speaker 2 (36:11):
Yeah, just really quick. I wish I could we had
a slideshow of Mount Tam right now, because it is
the most gorgeous.

Speaker 4 (36:20):
It's amazing, it's so place. Would they take all the
all the pictures of San Francisco where you of the
gold and Get Bridge and then you see San Francisco
behind it, that's Mount Tam.

Speaker 2 (36:29):
Yeah, it's it's red with trees, it's like it's got
it's the most for natural Uh you know what I wonder.
I mean, it's just the most incredible. Like we would
go on field trips there all the time in grammar school.

Speaker 4 (36:43):
Mountain bikes were invented there. Yeah, really, yeah, mountain bikes
are invented.

Speaker 2 (36:47):
So the idea that this man is that fucking like angry,
that he's going to like God's most most perfect place
and fucking hiding and picking.

Speaker 4 (36:56):
People off, and we all were just like, hey, you
want to go to Mount Tam for the day and
you would just go walking and hiking out like everybody
would just be Mount Damage, you'd go there for the
day and just yeah.

Speaker 3 (37:07):
Yeah, crazy, it's crazy, yeah, Carrie.

Speaker 4 (37:11):
Okay. So that same day, two more bodies were found
a half mile away. She both had been shot in
the head. He's in his berserker mode. Yeah, he's gone.

Speaker 1 (37:20):
He's going crazy.

Speaker 4 (37:22):
Creepo bananas. I think they call it in court.

Speaker 1 (37:27):
You're a circuit court judge. I am a circuit court judge.
This was my case.

Speaker 4 (37:33):
Oh, this might be unethical. But for the first time,
one of them was mail Richard Stowers was eighteen. His fiance,
Cynthia Moreland, was eighteen. Also, they had been missing for
quite some time since October eleventh. Ballistic now tied the
murders together, and suddenly everyone realized there was a serial

(37:53):
killer on the loose on Mount tam Police were told
to avoid the area alone. Wait what and that's how
I have a problem with that one. Wait.

Speaker 1 (38:02):
Police were told.

Speaker 4 (38:02):
To oh, sorry, people, there we are.

Speaker 1 (38:05):
But also also, I assumed police also you know what,
I just want to say this, please are people. But
there's all these hiking cops that are like, I.

Speaker 3 (38:20):
Gotta go up there, man, no, please, I have to
warn you.

Speaker 4 (38:26):
But also like two they just found two people who
were killed together and then another girl with two other
of her friends. So not even alone. But his system
is not going to help.

Speaker 1 (38:38):
So he has a gun, like it was like a knife.
One of you can like get out all but like
if there is a gun.

Speaker 4 (38:44):
You Yeah. So the press named him the Trailside killer police. Uh,
local police reached out to the FBI for help. Okay,
the FBI came up with a profile. He said he
was shy, reclusive, and probably had a speech impediment and
unsure of himself in social situations. He had no victim type.
It was about opportunity. He was like a spider waiting

(39:06):
for a fly to come to his web. He was white, intelligent,
blue collar, and had been in prison. He would have
also had a oh boy, that's a that's a word
that corrected itself on this thing. It would have had
two or three boyhood indicators of starting a fire, bed wedding,
and animal cruelty. Yes, so he had two of the three.

Speaker 1 (39:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (39:28):
The profile profile profiler concluded he had a speech impediment
because of the locations of the attacks. Quote, he has
some kind of defect that really bothers him. How do
they know they're so good because they're so good. When
I read, I was just like, how do you do that?

Speaker 1 (39:43):
Yeah, they just know, like sitting at a table across
from him and they were like, tell us, what tell
us about yourself? Yeah, that's what they do.

Speaker 2 (39:49):
They just interview all the criminals that come through on that,
like high level. There's like a whole department at the
FBI that's just all about it.

Speaker 1 (39:56):
And it's because he's killing in the woods, like, well
the guys. The guy's got a lisp. It amazing.

Speaker 4 (40:05):
And then and then the FBI guy did this in
the local cop and but I'm like, he's a partyer.

Speaker 1 (40:09):
He likes going on on boats. Like it was totally
not even remotely close. I'm rather along.

Speaker 4 (40:14):
I'm positive where's a backwards hat? Listed a lot of Sammy.

Speaker 1 (40:20):
Hagar, he's got a truck boat track.

Speaker 4 (40:25):
On March twenty ninth, nineteen eighty one, Ellen Marie Hanson
and Stephen Hurtel, students at UC Davis, were hiking in
Santa Cruz. Now this is about eighty miles south of
Mount tam Carpenter walked up to them and threatened them
with a gun, demanding Ellen let him raper. She was
not down with the plan. Steve begged to be let go,

(40:48):
and then Carpenter shot Ellen point blank twice in the head.
Steve ran away and he was shot in the neck,
but he did not die.

Speaker 2 (40:55):
Wow.

Speaker 4 (40:56):
Steve gave police a great description of Carpenter, unlike the
fucking woman in the woods.

Speaker 1 (41:02):
Who was like, he looks like a hawk.

Speaker 3 (41:08):
She had seen someone be stabbed twelve times.

Speaker 1 (41:11):
Yeah, fuck it up went.

Speaker 2 (41:16):
And you can't get anybody's facial features correct.

Speaker 1 (41:19):
And she was in a tree.

Speaker 8 (41:21):
Oh did I not mention she had grown into the tree.
Oh yeah, she was part of the tree. Oh, she
was some kind of an orc thing. Wush, she from
Middle Earth?

Speaker 4 (41:33):
She was an end?

Speaker 1 (41:34):
Was it en? I got deep into it.

Speaker 4 (41:40):
Others came forward and said they had seen Carpenter in
the area and fleeing in a foreign car. Someone said
the foreign car was a Fiat. It's just hilarious because
it was a very popular mornue. Do you remember that. Yeah,
a composite was placed in newspapers and around TV's right,
so now they have U drawing out there. It's running everywhere.
The woman then called police and said she had met

(42:01):
that man on a cruise to Japan twenty six years word, and.

Speaker 1 (42:07):
That was the woman in the forest.

Speaker 2 (42:13):
You doubted her that she came back hard. He's back,
she's making right yep on her arm. And she said
that the man had been bothering her and her daughter
with inappropriate behavior. And he had a stutter and he
was a ship's purser.

Speaker 1 (42:32):
And it was my dad.

Speaker 4 (42:36):
And he used to be a fireman.

Speaker 1 (42:38):
What miss garon And.

Speaker 4 (42:43):
She had his signature in a book, which she still had.

Speaker 1 (42:46):
Why did that happen? How they? I don't know.

Speaker 2 (42:48):
They used to love to get serial killer signatures before
they really kicked it off.

Speaker 3 (42:56):
That was the thing in the sixties.

Speaker 4 (42:57):
And this is the point when you're writing a script.
Let's just hustle it along. Yeah, what about a lady
on a Chinese cruise that met the guy twenty six yeah?
Yea ye, anymore? No, no, no, no, just have him
to do it, okay. So, but there were a lot
of men named David Carpenter in northern California. So Carpenter
then grew beard. On May second, Heather Roxanne Skaggs told

(43:20):
her boyfriend, she's twenty what's going on over there?

Speaker 6 (43:24):
Oh?

Speaker 4 (43:24):
I thought you guys were reaped to something right now.
I saw it in the corner of my eye.

Speaker 1 (43:28):
I don't know. You were looking at each other.

Speaker 2 (43:29):
And okay, yeah, we're going to jump on your back,
but not right now.

Speaker 3 (43:34):
We're planning it for later.

Speaker 1 (43:35):
Don't worry about it.

Speaker 4 (43:38):
I'm gonna move my cheer. So Heather Roxanne Skags twenty
tells her boyfriend she's going to see David Carpenter to
buy used car. She was a student at a place
where Carpenter taught people how to use computer type setting machines.
The fucking kind of crazy time is this? Before leaving,

(44:01):
she gave her boyfriend the number and that address of
David Carpenter and when she expected to return. Who the
fuck does that unless they're creeped out by the guy? Right, yeah,
I mean you're never like, here's all the information of this. Yeah,
she did not return. The boyfriend went in confronted Carpenter,
which is fucking ballsy beyond words like that for him.

Speaker 1 (44:21):
Did you kill my girlfriend?

Speaker 4 (44:24):
Carpenter said she had never come, and then the boyfriend
called police. Carpenter's name raised a flag, as did Heather
being lord, and Carpenter looked exactly like the composite drawing.
Police then contact his prole officer, who immediately realized Carpenter
fit into everything police were saying.

Speaker 1 (44:40):
But just then the phone earlier, Oh my god, you
talk about murdery David. Where is he kept?

Speaker 4 (44:51):
That guy creeps me out?

Speaker 1 (44:55):
Shot?

Speaker 2 (44:55):
You know what, I should have thought of this before.
I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 (44:58):
I stopped watching the news because it depresses me even now.

Speaker 4 (45:03):
You know, he came in Wednesday covered in blood and
I was like, this seems.

Speaker 2 (45:08):
But then I had my book club and I don't know.
It all just kind of slipped my mind.

Speaker 4 (45:14):
I don't care about anything anymore. So so unfortunately, this
is where it's fucked up, unfortunately. I mean, I mean
this where government records you're like, really, guys. So unfortunately,
Carpenter had not shun up in the records of released
inmates when they initially looked due to a technicality. He'd

(45:36):
been reached by California Prisons to serve a federal sentence,
so he was technically in federal custody, so they didn't
count him as a released prisoner, so they could have
with the records found him. Because that first woman he killed,
he left his prison issue glasses and they could have
tracked him down right there.

Speaker 2 (45:54):
This is just like a threes company. I saw one,
just this insane misunderstand day.

Speaker 1 (46:02):
Except for.

Speaker 4 (46:05):
Oh, you ropers, come on us. So the multi agency
task force started following him. Then one day they saw
him carrying a bag and they approached him and they
told him he was under arrest. And at first he
was confused, and then he said, please don't hurt me.

Speaker 1 (46:28):
I bet they punched him.

Speaker 4 (46:31):
The pieces quickly fell into place. There was tons of evidence.
Everyone saw who saw him was brought in to identify him.
Stephen Hurdle, who had been shot in the neck, I
d ed him out of a lineup. Six out of
seven witnesses did the same. Carboner was formally charged in
the murder and attempted murder in Santa Cruz. At his arrangement,
he stuttered so badly he had a difficult time answering

(46:52):
the judges questions, which was simply to agree that his
name was as stated, Heathers Skog's bad. His body was
found a couple of weeks later. His total number of
murder victims was nine. He was tried in San Diego
because of you could not do it in Morin. He
was convicted and sentenced to die in the gas chamber,
and he was he's still on death row in San Quentin,

(47:15):
still alive, and Davy get out here, Get out here,
you fucking scammed, you son.

Speaker 6 (47:26):
Of a bitch?

Speaker 1 (47:28):
What is your problem? Fuck?

Speaker 4 (47:34):
So that that was between that one and uh, I mean,
I'm sure you guys had the Richard Ramirez were you
here then? That was fucking terrifying.

Speaker 1 (47:43):
Baby that I've never heard that one before. That was amazing, But.

Speaker 4 (47:46):
No one knows about that.

Speaker 1 (47:47):
Again, I've never heard of that.

Speaker 4 (47:48):
Do you want to hear something really weird? When that
when the Hillside Stranglers were, you know, at in La,
I was like, how the fuck can they call him
that week on our trou side die Like I literally
had a moment if you can't do that.

Speaker 1 (48:01):
Thing?

Speaker 4 (48:03):
But yeah, that that was like like so for like
a year and a half we didn't go near the
place that we all hung out on because we were
terrified of being.

Speaker 1 (48:11):
A lot less beer that summer. The summer I don't know.

Speaker 4 (48:16):
Well, I mean a year and a half. A year
and a half is a just some long summer.

Speaker 1 (48:26):
That's bananas.

Speaker 4 (48:27):
I've never heard of that before, but he was super bananas.
I don't know why. It kind of flew under the radar.
I remember being really weirded out that he was caught
in Santa Cruz like he he.

Speaker 2 (48:38):
Went to the other place that looked exactly like Mount Town.
It looks exactly the same and has all these redwood
trees and it's amazing, like a little carnival there.

Speaker 4 (48:50):
Yes, there's as what that's.

Speaker 2 (48:52):
Right y the Santa Cruise boardwalk because we're talking about yea, yeah,
why are you laughing at me?

Speaker 4 (49:00):
I guess I'm a little confused. There is a carnival area.

Speaker 1 (49:05):
Yeah, yeah, and yet he would go down and ride
the roller coaster.

Speaker 4 (49:08):
Sometimes it just doesn't encome.

Speaker 1 (49:11):
It's just not the whole Santa Cruz.

Speaker 4 (49:13):
Well there's also mountains.

Speaker 1 (49:14):
Oh I didn't know that. Why would I care about mountains?
You know, there's TV you can watch in your apartment
and it's fucking great. You don't get murdered all the time.
I'm sorry, am I rock No, totally, it's totally fine.

Speaker 4 (49:33):
It makes sense.

Speaker 1 (49:37):
Good one Dave wasn't.

Speaker 2 (49:38):
Yeah, I feel uncomfortable, why, I mean, that's it's it's great,
That's how it.

Speaker 4 (49:43):
Is because Okay, So so our rule on the dollip
is no no child killings or doing horrible things that children,
no serial killers, and no sexual on the wrong podcast round.
But those are our rules really, so it's award for
me to where for me to read that.

Speaker 1 (50:02):
Yeah, yeah, I feel really good right now.

Speaker 4 (50:04):
I feel dirty. It's I think there's something about being
a guy and knowing the guys did that to women
and you're like it feels gross. Say you're sorry, I'm sorry, but.

Speaker 1 (50:15):
Now it's fine.

Speaker 4 (50:16):
I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 (50:17):
That's really all. That's all we need, you know.

Speaker 2 (50:21):
What's that's hilarious. My sister told me on the phone
the other day that she was when she was in college.
She was walking in Sacramento. She was walking from Popeyes
down to another bar in old Sack and there was
a guy there. It's like a old Sacramento. They made
it look like an old western town. So you're walking
down a sidewalk that's like wooden planks or whatever.

Speaker 3 (50:39):
And so she was walking, she could hear a guy
walking behind her.

Speaker 4 (50:41):
She had spurs on.

Speaker 2 (50:44):
It was the sheriff and no, she could hear a
guy walking behind her. So she turned around and goes
stop following me, and he goes, I'll stay right here,
and then he let her walk.

Speaker 1 (50:53):
That's all we're asking for. Awesome. Yeah, we might freak
out every once in a while. We just want you
to stay where you are.

Speaker 4 (51:00):
The kill gars could be very intimidating in this situation. No, no,
I know both of them.

Speaker 3 (51:06):
Suck around around. All right, should I go? Now we're
going down a line.

Speaker 1 (51:10):
What do you do? What do I do for a living?

Speaker 4 (51:12):
Nor story?

Speaker 2 (51:16):
Well, I was trying to print it up, but Georgia
would like us can Georgia Vince?

Speaker 1 (51:22):
This is like the most emasculate theory there is. Wow,
we watch wrestling podcast you watch wrestling podcasts.

Speaker 4 (51:33):
Then I'm so sorry he does the wrestling podcast which
what's it called with Matt McCarthy.

Speaker 1 (51:39):
Yep, all right, that's very funny, so emasculating. I'm so sorry.

Speaker 4 (51:42):
I love you.

Speaker 1 (51:43):
It was a walk on.

Speaker 4 (51:43):
It was a guest guest, but this was a weird
where you shook it out of yours.

Speaker 1 (51:49):
Now before like yay, thank you? Yeah, okay, I can't read.

Speaker 7 (51:59):
Well.

Speaker 1 (51:59):
I chose to.

Speaker 3 (52:01):
I wanted to do someone.

Speaker 2 (52:03):
I want to do some really local and so I
googled Beverly Center Serial Killer as a as a.

Speaker 3 (52:11):
That was my dream for the stars.

Speaker 4 (52:15):
That's what I wanted, you kid, Just a guy's stock
in the Armani store.

Speaker 2 (52:20):
Yes, he's just pulling a piano wire around guys that
come out of the Armani store.

Speaker 1 (52:27):
Too much cologne. There isn't one. There isn't one. I'm sorry.

Speaker 2 (52:39):
I just thought maybe if there was, like it was
an old location of something from old Los Angeles whatever. So,
but then I remembered one that's semi local and really awesome.
Are the wine mild chicken coopmers?

Speaker 1 (52:52):
Do you guys know?

Speaker 2 (52:53):
It's what the Clinicewood movie that changed Ling was based on. Uh,
if you don't know if you saw that or not,
let me re enact Angelina Jolie's star turn as playing
Christine Collins in The CHANGELINGK my Son. I was it?

Speaker 1 (53:12):
She did that? Oh that's all right, that's all right,
don't clap. It was too it was much too loud.

Speaker 2 (53:18):
But that's exactly how she did it in the movie
fifty times.

Speaker 1 (53:22):
Yeah, can we get my son for you again?

Speaker 2 (53:26):
Can we hear that for more?

Speaker 4 (53:28):
She was, she's she was in that movie. I remember
watching him and going. She's distractingly beautiful. We were like,
why would she be Like, nothing bad ever happened? No,
nothing bad ever happens.

Speaker 1 (53:38):
This person, the woman who was the mother, wasn't that hot,
Like it wasn't like really mom, Yeah, she was not
a hot mom.

Speaker 4 (53:46):
No, And that's that's all you wanted.

Speaker 1 (53:48):
That when you hear that, you didn't say it like go.
But when you hear this story at the at the.

Speaker 4 (53:55):
Fair enough at the end of the story, you'll think, oh,
I wish the mom had been hotter.

Speaker 2 (53:59):
But after you hear about this horrible child murder and death,
you're gonna be like, is the mom an eight or above?
Because if this, if we're in a butterface situation, you
know what I mean, turn this baga.

Speaker 1 (54:15):
I just shame this shit out of her. The only
way we can have somepthy for her is that she
was Angelina Joe Lee hot.

Speaker 2 (54:20):
I just There is a book by a man named
Anthony Flacco called The Road out of Hell Sanford Clark
and the True Story of the Winebille Chicken Murders. It's
got very good reviews on Amazon. I don't have time
to read it, but if you want to, if you're
looking for a fat Yeah, chickens are murdered every day

(54:40):
in this undry. No no, no, no, this isn't my
vegan podcast festival. Uh, this is just to give you
a sense. This was such a horrible crime and such
a stain on the community that Wineville permanently changed its name.

Speaker 3 (54:57):
It's now called Mira Loma. Oh sh that's how huge
this was and.

Speaker 1 (55:02):
Bad it was. It was Uh, it was nineteen twenty six.

Speaker 4 (55:05):
Changed all the signs and everything.

Speaker 1 (55:07):
Yoh yeah, yeah yeah. The two signs they have, they
used the same letters.

Speaker 3 (55:15):
They just kind of rearrange him into Mira Loma.

Speaker 1 (55:18):
What can we turn this into?

Speaker 2 (55:19):
Can we have a we need a town with a
down Mira Wait? Was yep, yep, it's just upside down
wine Though. I can see it right here. This is great,

(55:39):
all right. Gordon Northcut was seventeen years old when he
moved to Los Angeles from Canada with his parents, and
when he was nineteen, he asked his dad to buy
him a chicken ranch in Wineville. So you do when
you're ninety because you're like, how do I How am

(56:00):
I punk rock chicken? That's how I'm going to do it?
I'll feed them and water them, take care of the land.
So two years later he went back up to Canada
and convinced his sister, who still lived there, to let
him take her son, his thirteen year old nephew, Sandford Clark,

(56:21):
back down to California to help him work on the
chicken ranch and raise the chicken.

Speaker 1 (56:25):
What.

Speaker 4 (56:26):
Yeah, like, hey, I need some labor. What's your kid doing?

Speaker 2 (56:29):
Yes, it was the twenties, and so it was kind
of common for young boys to have jobs.

Speaker 1 (56:34):
And work and help them in any other situation. When
your uncle isn't a fucking creep ass murderer, it would
be like good for the kid, right, but like but
there everywhere? Yeah, that one time fucker.

Speaker 2 (56:48):
As I wrote here, the problem was Gordon Northcote was
the bad kind of uncle. No oh, get used to it.
This is fucking dark as shit.

Speaker 1 (56:58):
That was an uncle. Show brace yourself.

Speaker 4 (57:01):
Yes, she may, she may. This makes my story look
like a carnival and Santa Cruz.

Speaker 1 (57:09):
How dare you?

Speaker 2 (57:13):
The rivalry continues uh As a teen in Canada, he
was accused of molesting a very young boy, but his
mother claimed that he was innocent and would never be
able to do anything like that.

Speaker 3 (57:26):
So the police did not charge him.

Speaker 1 (57:28):
Oh god, what Mommy was like, Nope, I mean which
you know.

Speaker 2 (57:35):
I used to be very bitter that my mother didn't
participate in my life enough, like she can come to
my plays and stuff, and she's never like a softball game.
And then I read this story of Gordon and his
mother and I'm like, I think it's for the best.

Speaker 4 (57:51):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (57:52):
The rest of the family knew that he was volatile,
and he once even beat up his own father and
for that he.

Speaker 1 (57:58):
Got a chicken You know what I get. That's something
I get you No, I know.

Speaker 2 (58:06):
His father actually ended up spending the back half of
his life and an insane asylum. So the family had
a lot of mental illness and a lot of criminals.
He had two Gordon had two uncles that were also
in San Quentin, so not the greatest group from Canada.
Usually you people are so lovely and polite with a
delicious chocolate. But this guy was a fucking lunatic, all right.

(58:28):
So he brought Sandford back down to work on the
chicken ranch and immediately began abusing and raping him. They
would also together, he would make Sandford drive into Los
Angeles with him, and so then they would drive around
neighborhoods and he would ask boys if they needed extra money,

(58:49):
if they wanted to take a job, if they needed
extra money, and the boys would get in the car
because Sandford, the young boy, was already in the car.

Speaker 1 (58:57):
Yeah. This was back.

Speaker 2 (58:59):
This was before stranger danger wasn't even on anyone's mind.
They were like, yay strangers back then, go meet yourself
a stranger.

Speaker 1 (59:07):
Young America was the posters on every bus stop.

Speaker 6 (59:12):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (59:13):
So he did that so much that he realized he
would go into either Riverside County or LA and pick
up boys, molest them, attack them, and then bring them
back to their neighborhood.

Speaker 1 (59:25):
And he catch them release right.

Speaker 2 (59:28):
Yes, so but he's slowly started Yeah, I mean, but
he slowly started to realize that that was incredibly dangerous.

Speaker 3 (59:39):
And that's when, which is how it always goes as
serial killers, that's when it.

Speaker 1 (59:46):
Witness.

Speaker 2 (59:48):
So he also did a thing where he put help
wanted out in the paper asking young boy, young boy
to come.

Speaker 1 (59:55):
And work on his chicken rad and no one was like, uh,
that's a fucking issue.

Speaker 2 (59:59):
Yeah, Everyone's like no, I think young boys love chickens.

Speaker 1 (01:00:02):
I think it would be it's probably best. Hey dad,
there's a man with a bunch of chickens. Can I
go go on? Son?

Speaker 3 (01:00:14):
Yeah, I wrote here like a sort of murder Postmates.

Speaker 1 (01:00:18):
That's awful. Boo boo, Karen.

Speaker 4 (01:00:22):
Well, it's just it's just craigslist.

Speaker 1 (01:00:24):
Karen's turning on the audience.

Speaker 2 (01:00:27):
That's how I feel my most comfortable. So he did
this for two years and boys were disappearing without a trace.

Speaker 4 (01:00:35):
So do we know how many boys?

Speaker 2 (01:00:39):
Well, yes, eventually, but they don't know like the exact number.
Because he was so fucking crazy that when he finally
went to court, he kept admitting to all the murderers,
then saying he didn't do it.

Speaker 3 (01:00:49):
Then he's saying he did four, then saying he did fifty.
And the problem was he was so.

Speaker 2 (01:00:55):
Incredibly thorough he what he did was he would kill
m kill them, take their bodies out to the desert
and burn them, and then take the bones from whatever
wherever he burned them, and then.

Speaker 1 (01:01:08):
Dispose of them on the ranch. So they had to.

Speaker 2 (01:01:10):
When the cops were finally raided the ranch and were looking,
they were just fine. They're having to piece together tiny
shards of bone from all different people. This thing is
a fucking crazy nightmare. There's tons of buttons out in
the lobby if you need anything.

Speaker 4 (01:01:26):
Yeah, I was. I was gonna say I was about
to release some balloons. I'm not going to do that now.

Speaker 2 (01:01:32):
So they found a decapitated teenage teenager's body in a
burlap sack on the side of the road in La Puente.

Speaker 1 (01:01:38):
Why did he leavewhere? Why did he leave a decapitated But.

Speaker 2 (01:01:43):
They think that happened because he uh like found him,
attacked him, killed him in all one spot, and then
decapitated him.

Speaker 1 (01:01:51):
Thinking if they don't have the head, they won't ever
find out who it is.

Speaker 7 (01:01:54):
Yeah, yeah, interesting, lazy though, considering how thorough he is. Yeah,
well this was his first one, so you know he's
just getting warmed up. Okay, so don't you worry. So
then in March that's when he Walter Collins was going
to the movies. His mom had given him some money
she went to work.

Speaker 2 (01:02:15):
He was walking down to the movies and he pulled
his old do you want to do you need extra
money thing?

Speaker 3 (01:02:20):
Yeah, chickens, get in the car, and he did.

Speaker 2 (01:02:22):
So he disappeared like without a trace, and because his
mom was coming back from work like really soon she was.

Speaker 3 (01:02:30):
It wasn't like some long thing that he was by himself.

Speaker 2 (01:02:33):
And that story, his disappearance and the manhunt that happened
after that was just blew up. It was huge and
it was a nationwide story. Then in May, two brothers,
Lewis and Nelson Winslow, aged ten and twelve, disappeared on
their walk home from their model yacht club meeting in Pomona.
I mean it was a great meeting. Yeah, different discussed.

(01:02:57):
When you think of yacht clubs, you think Pomona. Yeah,
you know, yeah, for sure, Rich the elite. So Walter,
the Walter Collins story is the one that gets focused
on in the changelingk and it is the most fascinating
because these things that happen in it are so fucking crazy,
aside from the kidnapping and murder itself. So basically, the

(01:03:24):
LAPD at this same time was under investigation for mass corruption,
so they were already had really bad press. They were,
you know, they were really doing badly. And then Walter
Collins disappearance. It was five months and they still hadn't
found him or any trace.

Speaker 1 (01:03:41):
They had no clues whatsoever.

Speaker 4 (01:03:43):
So this is when they were they were the mayor
and the police chief were selling you could buy to
become a cop, and once you were a cop, and
you could buy your way up. So there were no
actual guys who were doing law enforcement. You just paid
and then you'd be become a detective.

Speaker 1 (01:04:01):
Yeah, and now they pay you thirty thousand dollars a
year and everyone's happy.

Speaker 4 (01:04:06):
What just happened?

Speaker 1 (01:04:07):
Sorry, go ahead and take it by.

Speaker 4 (01:04:15):
But yeah, they were.

Speaker 2 (01:04:16):
Actually you know what's funny is that's how my my
mother's great grandfather. I don't know how many far away
that is for me, but that's how he got into
the Oakland Police Department. Yeah he's a super crooked cop.
I come from a long line of cricket cops. Well yeah,
they were just they were already doing bad. So but
this is now, this is an example of the LAPD.

(01:04:36):
Like they're already you know, they've had a hard.

Speaker 1 (01:04:38):
Time with it.

Speaker 2 (01:04:39):
They've they've done, they've mishandled many many things as we
all know.

Speaker 1 (01:04:43):
This one is unbelievable.

Speaker 2 (01:04:46):
So after five months, they don't have a body, they
don't have clues, they have nothing. So they get a
phone call that they have found a boy in Decal,
Illinois who is claiming.

Speaker 3 (01:04:58):
To be Walter Collins. Okay, we're in So they're like,
this is amazing.

Speaker 2 (01:05:03):
So there they do phone calls and they so the
police apartment orchestrates this huge press conference at the train
station when he's going to show up, and it's going
to be like and the Happy Reunion and the cops
are the ones that did it.

Speaker 3 (01:05:18):
So when the boy walks off, everyone's seen the movie
or if you have.

Speaker 2 (01:05:21):
The boy walks off the train and Christine Collins is
staying there and she's like, that's not my son because.

Speaker 1 (01:05:27):
It wasn't her son but Illinois.

Speaker 2 (01:05:31):
So the cops says, want you to take him home
and try him out for a couple of weeks.

Speaker 1 (01:05:39):
She's like that, yeah, it's so crazy.

Speaker 4 (01:05:45):
It's been.

Speaker 2 (01:05:45):
What it's basically saying is politics is more important than anything.
Move out of the picture for him.

Speaker 1 (01:05:51):
So crazy.

Speaker 4 (01:05:53):
But they must have been like, look, I know he's
not your boy.

Speaker 1 (01:05:55):
We need this one. We need to win. What's the
deaf man? Take one? Please?

Speaker 2 (01:06:00):
The weeklies here, We're gonna get our picture in every paper.

Speaker 4 (01:06:04):
Meanli, where did that boy come from?

Speaker 1 (01:06:06):
Well? I tell you here we go. So uh.

Speaker 2 (01:06:11):
Of course, three weeks later, when she's living in a
house of the boy who's pretending to be her son,
which can you imagine how creepy that is, he's he's
pretending and he won't drop it, and she's sitting in
the other.

Speaker 1 (01:06:22):
Room like, uh, So.

Speaker 4 (01:06:27):
She goes back your future killer, Yeah, in the house.

Speaker 2 (01:06:31):
Also he's up to no good, so she goes back
to Captain J. J. Jones is the man in charge
at the time. Yeah, And she has Walter's dental records,
she has signed affidavits from witnesses who have met the
son and say this is not Walter Collins. She's a
big stack of evidence it's not him.

Speaker 3 (01:06:49):
And so.

Speaker 2 (01:06:52):
The police chief did what any good civil servant would
do in a situation like that.

Speaker 3 (01:06:56):
He threw her in a mental institution.

Speaker 4 (01:06:58):
She's cuckoo, I mean for justice.

Speaker 1 (01:07:03):
So finally they get it out.

Speaker 2 (01:07:08):
And this the only reason that any of this got
brought to light is because she When Walter first went missing,
there was this it's a priest or. He was like
a pastor and I'm not going to be able to
say his name because it's crazy. It looks like someone
had a stroke as they were typing on murder Pedia,
It's like it's not Polish and it's not check. Like said,

(01:07:28):
there's a lot of v's and e's and z. So
I was like, I'm not even gonna cut and pastry.
That's how much I can't handle that name.

Speaker 1 (01:07:34):
I support that.

Speaker 2 (01:07:35):
But he basically was the one that got it on
all the radio shows and stuff like on he made
it because he had every Sunday he had a radio show,
and so he talked about finding Walter Collins all the time.
So then when she was put into the mental institution,
he was like advocating for her and trying to get
her out. So eventually they get out of the boy
that he had run away from home because they had

(01:07:57):
a really mean stepmother and he had been on the
road like three weeks by himself, a nine year old kid,
and he was somewhere there was like basically he was
in a restaurant in in decalb and like an old
hobo that was in the restaurant with.

Speaker 3 (01:08:12):
Him was like, you look like that boy that's missing
in California.

Speaker 2 (01:08:15):
And then the little boy hears California and goes, I'm
gonna go to cal I'm gonna say I'm him and
go to California and meet Tom Mix, my favorite.

Speaker 1 (01:08:23):
Cowboy from the movies.

Speaker 2 (01:08:25):
And so he tells the guy I am Walter Collins,
and so he calls the cops and they Christine paid
for his train tickets.

Speaker 1 (01:08:33):
Just hit him out than all of us.

Speaker 4 (01:08:36):
Yes, for sure, the kid got what he wanted. Everyone
else was fucked right. Yes, he did he meet well
did he meet the cowboy?

Speaker 8 (01:08:43):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (01:08:44):
He got to be in four Tom Mixed films. No, Karen,
we believed you. It really did believe me. I believe
you did. Karen's a lying now I want to lie
more fucking thing? All right.

Speaker 2 (01:09:09):
So anyway, simultaneously, Sanford Clark's sister Jesse, had been getting
letters from him, but not that often. He told her
he would write her all the time, but he wasn't
writing her all the time, and the things that he
was writing in the letters did not sound like him
at all.

Speaker 3 (01:09:28):
It was like very vague information. He wouldn't say like
if he was okay.

Speaker 1 (01:09:32):
It was.

Speaker 2 (01:09:32):
So she was getting worried up in Canada, so she
decided I'm going to go down and pay them a visit.

Speaker 3 (01:09:37):
And when she shows up, she's like this is bad news.
Something is terribly wrong.

Speaker 4 (01:09:41):
Because it smelled like dead boy everywhere. Yeah, there is
kind of how much and how fucked up the place
must have been if he's scattering boy bones, I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:09:49):
Well, no, it's it's yeah, it's gonna be like a
Texas chainsaw massacre esque situation inside inside the house, she
was horrified by their their house living canday, and by
the fact that clearly this at this time, probably fourteen
year old boy was like made to work like hard
labor every day and looked terrible, like was shaken and whatever.

(01:10:11):
So she one night when the bad uncle was asleep,
she gets him to tell her what's going on. And
the story that he tells her is so horrifying she
cannot believe it. But they realize they can't do anything
while she's still there because he'll probably just kill both
of them. So she acted like nothing happened, she didn't

(01:10:32):
know anything, and then she went back to Canada and
they went they went to the American.

Speaker 4 (01:10:36):
Consulate to take the boy with her.

Speaker 1 (01:10:39):
No, no, well, this was this was the two of
their there.

Speaker 2 (01:10:43):
It was Jesse and Sandford's plan that they couldn't act
like anything happened.

Speaker 3 (01:10:49):
Because she would kill them. I can't justify her choices, Karen.

Speaker 1 (01:10:56):
I wish I could. I believe in them, Karen, God
damn it. Tell us I know so, Yeah, I wish
I could.

Speaker 2 (01:11:03):
So they contact the American Consulate, The American Consulate calls
the LAPD. Something else comes up about immigration, so they
end up sending two immigration officers out to the ranch
and as they are heading out, it's a big long
driveway to get to the house. So Gordon sees the

(01:11:25):
cars coming and tells Sandford stall them. I'm running for
the tree line and if you don't stall them, I'll
shoot you from the tree line, and then he takes
off running and he ends up getting escaping, meeting up
with his mother and escaping to Canada. Then the cops
get Sanford and they're holding him and he starts telling
them everything and he I mean this, stories are horrifying.

(01:11:49):
It's little boys held in chicken coops him making Sanford
either kill the little boys with him or do it
himself so that he would also be complicit and not tell.
So basically, he had this little boy convinced that if
he said anythink he was the one that was going
to go to jail, and it is.

Speaker 1 (01:12:07):
It's super crazy. Fuck even an audience, this is so
fucked up.

Speaker 3 (01:12:14):
I just realized, well, this this is I mean, what
are we gonna do?

Speaker 1 (01:12:20):
That's what we do. No I know, they know, they're
just making noises.

Speaker 4 (01:12:26):
Sometimes sometimes they laugh at home, and sometimes they just
grow and fuck you guys.

Speaker 1 (01:12:33):
We just have to deal with all of it.

Speaker 2 (01:12:36):
So when the police raided the farm, they found axes
covered in blood and farm equipment that was coated in
blood and human hair. There were bone fragments and several
shallow graves around the ranch, and almost all of them
were linked to male children. It was later proven that
the unidentified Mexican boy whose head had been chopped off

(01:12:56):
was one of Northcock's first victims, and police later identify
fight him as Alvin Gothia. Sandford testified that Gordon made
him burn the head and crushed a.

Speaker 1 (01:13:05):
Skull and scatter the bones.

Speaker 2 (01:13:07):
Inside the house, they found a book that was believed
to belong to the Winslow brothers and several letters the
boys tried to write to their parents. Which is a
horrifying idea that he's keeping them long enough that he's
going in and going like you can.

Speaker 3 (01:13:18):
Write a letter to your parents if you want to walk.

Speaker 2 (01:13:23):
While nothing of Walter Collins was discovered, Sandford Clark remained
adamant that he had been one of the boys kept
hostage on the farm, and according to the I'm sorry,
the police could only only had enough evidence to prove
three murders, which were the Winslow brothers and Alvin Gothia,
but they believe at one point, Gordon admitted to twenty

(01:13:45):
they believed that there could be many, many more, because
he basically.

Speaker 1 (01:13:49):
Well, how long did this go on?

Speaker 3 (01:13:50):
For two years?

Speaker 4 (01:13:51):
I mean there's tons more?

Speaker 2 (01:13:52):
Yeah, and they just can't it's there. They're scattered. It's
like they basically built it for two high bodies.

Speaker 1 (01:13:59):
This ranch. It's crazy. So I know, right.

Speaker 2 (01:14:07):
Uh So, his mother, Sarah, was convicted of killing Walter Collins.
So it turns out when they go up to extradite
him from Canada, he's caught with his mother and the
mother says, I killed Walter Collins and I killed a
bunch of.

Speaker 1 (01:14:23):
Yes, it turns out my mom.

Speaker 4 (01:14:24):
That cares about her kids.

Speaker 3 (01:14:25):
It's a mom who is willing to participate.

Speaker 4 (01:14:29):
She we're saying the same thing, right, Yes, I think.

Speaker 1 (01:14:33):
So She's why I can't be a mom. I'd be like,
take this fucking psycho. You know what you do, You're
murdering out in the chicken coop. I don't want to
be a partner. I will not take the blame.

Speaker 2 (01:14:44):
No, she was one of the ones who said who
encouraged him to kill his victims. She was there from
the beginning. No, this is what according to Sanford, she was.
She was in from the beginning and was participating the
whole time. When they were in trial, she came out
and said that she and she and Gordon were lovers.

(01:15:05):
She said that she said that Gordon was the incestuous
son of her husband and her daughter. I mean, it
was the apparently the trial was in total insanity and
total chaos, and every day there were like different horrifying headlines.
And she ended up she was sentenced to life imprisonment,

(01:15:25):
but she was paroled after twelve years. Let's get her back. Yeah, yeah,
fucking it was what I thought was proper at the time.

Speaker 3 (01:15:35):
That was a joke where I'm the judge now, I
feel like my.

Speaker 4 (01:15:41):
Story was like an explosion of a glitter compared to yours.

Speaker 1 (01:15:44):
That's right.

Speaker 2 (01:15:47):
During his trial Gordon demanded to represent himself, so his
two lawyers quit and then he crossed examined himself.

Speaker 1 (01:15:53):
Oh my god, he's insane. I'd probably like grill at himself.
Why did you kill the boys I killed?

Speaker 2 (01:16:08):
He was found guilty and he was hanged at Saint
Quentin Inuary February of nineteen twenty nine.

Speaker 4 (01:16:13):
Oh they got that done fasting.

Speaker 1 (01:16:15):
Yeah. Yeah, they were like goodbye.

Speaker 2 (01:16:18):
And as we've all seen, but Walter Collins's mother did
go to San Quentin on the day who was being
hanged to beg him to please tell her if he
killed her son or not, and he fucked with her
until they put the bag on his head and walked
him up the stairs. So she believed for the rest
of her life there was a possibility that her son
was alive.

Speaker 1 (01:16:35):
A poor baby.

Speaker 3 (01:16:38):
I decided to end on the downest note.

Speaker 1 (01:16:40):
I possibly know it.

Speaker 4 (01:16:42):
He went out strong, right, Yeah, he got a little
bit of credit. Yeah, he went out. He's like, you
know what, let's stay true to myself with a fucking
total asshole. Yeah, I'm taking it all the way to
the chair.

Speaker 1 (01:16:55):
Kanye upper Hair, I don't know what that means. You
don't know what it means, I mean, it's Kanye. It's
like I know, but it was I know cleairly well
applied Kanye, I don't know millennials. Uh, what's your storgic?

Speaker 4 (01:17:12):
Okay, that was great, It's great, the right word.

Speaker 1 (01:17:18):
All right, I'm going I'm going fucking I'm going back
to Australia.

Speaker 4 (01:17:22):
Okay, because because you did research there about the last
one and by the way, that one was fucking awesome.
Just throwing that out there.

Speaker 1 (01:17:29):
Thank you Australia. You got some fucked up ship going
on over there.

Speaker 6 (01:17:34):
Man.

Speaker 1 (01:17:35):
So Mark Aaron rust fucking murderer. He was born. I mean,
don't creep up on that story. You know, the game
of this podcast is no fun. So he was born

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in nineteen sixty five. He is a self described loaner.
He was thirteen when he started following girls while fascinating
about having sex with them. And he started exposing himself
to women as a teen, and he really liked the
reaction of the women that he would expose, like is
so creepy, Like he would masturbate in front of them

(01:18:19):
and like love that they were shocked and horrified. That's
the Yeah, that's the whole thing. And that's fucked up man. Yeah,
all right, he's described it as obese, dishoveled, odorous man
who expressed limited vocabulary in a in a monotone. He
was like a creepy, creepy greed. Was this written by

(01:18:39):
a high school cheerleader? She knows mean?

Speaker 4 (01:18:43):
George Hart?

Speaker 1 (01:18:44):
Start. So he was charged seven times with indecency offenses
but was only fined, never convicted. What what year is this? Well,
he was he was born in sixty five. It's probably
like mid the late seventies.

Speaker 4 (01:19:00):
I mean everything was cool in the seventies.

Speaker 1 (01:19:02):
I got it. Yeah, they just were like, go ahead.
So he was creepy. He was weird. He got He
married twice because they always do.

Speaker 2 (01:19:12):
They always shows great as small talk, you know what
I mean.

Speaker 4 (01:19:17):
But he's like, he's like, smelly, are you lady to go? Bulling?

Speaker 1 (01:19:23):
Way to go?

Speaker 6 (01:19:24):
I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:19:28):
Works, it's about pheromones. Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:19:39):
So after his.

Speaker 1 (01:19:42):
After his first his second marriage ended his his wife
at the times daughter. His stepdaughter claimed he had actually
assaulted her. He was never charged, but had to attend
sessions with sex offender's treatment program, but he left halfway
through the first session because he thought the program was studpid.

Speaker 4 (01:20:01):
Yeah, but that's Ian. Let's not judge it until we know.

Speaker 1 (01:20:05):
Yeah, yeah, and so we take the program right. So
he was working as a taxi driver in So this
is April nineteen ninety nine, and so Maya Jackeck. She's
thirty and she's walking in the neighborhood where he's driving
a taxi.

Speaker 3 (01:20:19):
Don't look at my notes, it's too late. I've read
them all upside down.

Speaker 1 (01:20:23):
All right, good. She's a sucking sweet angel. She's born
in Croatia in sixty nine and she grew up in
nineteen ninety. She fled the country due to the civil
war with Serbia. So she's like getting a better start
in Australia. She's a sales assistant in a clothing store
and she's in this neighborhood for some fucking reason. It's
upperclass neighborhood. He's he sees her, I like the details,

(01:20:50):
and he says to her, he says, want a lift
in an Australian accent. I want to even do it?

Speaker 4 (01:20:58):
I can't do it.

Speaker 1 (01:20:58):
Come on, it might it's not clearing up. That was
peaky blinders. And she said, she you know, she's she's
a fucking she's staying sexy, and she's like, fuck yourself,
and he says, how about a root, which I guess
in Australia means like yeah yeah, And she says no
and keeps walking. He drives after her and parks in

(01:21:19):
a spot she had to walk by. He exposes herself
to him and wanting to see her horrified face and
this fucking amazing person scoffed at him.

Speaker 4 (01:21:30):
Oh not not with the guy, not what he wants to.

Speaker 1 (01:21:35):
No, no he does. He snaps, grabs her, pulls her
into this like bushy area and tries to rape her
uh and escalated to murder when he chokes her to death.
Then he covers her body. She's like in the bushes.
He covers her, but he wanted her to be found

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in a creepy, fucked up way and it's like abandoned building.
So he calls from a payphone nearby to the UH
to nine one one in this country here through a arrow,
thank you, and uh says. He says, hey, I was
just walking by and there's a body. I see a body,
and there are two of these. Two of these things happened,

(01:22:19):
and the cops didn't find her body, and so Finally
he fucking five days later, he fucking after him calling
multiple times, he puts a note like under a cops
windshield that says like, hi, there's a he says, there's

(01:22:44):
a dead girl's body in the He's like like puts
an arrow basically pouring door. He literally the last phone call,
he's like, do I have to try you a map?

Speaker 4 (01:22:53):
And he's like, I'm drawing a map.

Speaker 5 (01:22:54):
Yes, I've now engraved an invitation for you to come
and see them both sad, yes, And then they finally
find her, but they realize that the calls and the
fucking note has to do like clearly.

Speaker 4 (01:23:06):
It's not they just hear from across the street.

Speaker 1 (01:23:08):
Finally, Yeah, so the release of the public, nobody fucking
identifies the note or the voice the calls. Six days later,
the body's found. So he's in jail in late ninet
ninety nine for trespassing, released on parole in two thousand

(01:23:29):
and one. Ten days later. After that, he grabs a
woman and rapes her and sexually assaults her and then
but she got out, so get away from him. Yeah yeah, yeah,
So so Magoomi Suzuki, she's an eighteen year old smart

(01:23:50):
wonderful Japanese exchange student attending college in Adelaide in two
thousand and one. She's going to be a counselor for Internet.
Like she's a good fucking person, you know. And on
August third, she leaves class and she's waiting at a
bus stop and rust fucking spots her and he grabs her,
tries to rape her, and he couldn't get an erection,

(01:24:12):
which you know, pisses people like this off, right, So
tell us tell us everything. So he tries to strangle her,
but he can't, and so he bashed her head with
a fucking rock, I know, baby angel, and then he

(01:24:33):
wraps her body and sheets, and so he puts her
in a rubbish bin, in a trash bin for everyone
here nearby, and she's reported missing. Her parents, who are
like so sweet, fly from Japan to look for her.
Her purse is found like shortly after, but her body's
not finding her. Like poor boyfriend is like suspected of
the whole thing and is like freaking out. They searched

(01:24:55):
for her, and at that point, on August sixteenth, he
cuts the power to an office building and he goes in.
There's one female alone in the office.

Speaker 4 (01:25:06):
Building full Halloween.

Speaker 1 (01:25:10):
Yeah, don't don't work late, it's secret. Wow, I don't
like this at all. No, she's not dead though, Okay,
she's it's his last victim. She's raped. He he he
like he like fucking overcame her and at one point
he hands her the knife that he has to hold

(01:25:32):
while he like does his unbuttoned because.

Speaker 4 (01:25:34):
He was getting he was he was like, can you
hold this while I take off my shirt?

Speaker 1 (01:25:38):
Yes?

Speaker 4 (01:25:39):
She was like, oh, okay.

Speaker 1 (01:25:40):
The only reason she's alive is because she was like
she went along with it. She didn't look at his face,
she didn't stab him with it. Okay, I know it's bananas.
It's this whole thing of like, do you do you
like fight for your life and do anything you can,
or do you like go along with it? She made
the right choice, but he knows what that would have been.
It's so fun and then saying to me, I can't so,

(01:26:03):
uh he didn't harm her? He and I do, and
I have insomnia. So so this is how he gets caught,
is so that crime happens. And then he leaves her
and just leaves goes, doesn't doesn't kill her. She's alive.
And then on the news that they're like they keep

(01:26:24):
playing his recording of his voice over and over again
and showing the note to like to see the handwriting.
His Rusk's brother fucking hears it and sees it from
the handwriting. Yeah, from then he hears he hears the voice,
and he's like, I listened to it like ten times.
I went in the other room and played it so

(01:26:45):
I could like like he just was like freaking out
about it.

Speaker 4 (01:26:48):
It's Rusky mate rusty.

Speaker 1 (01:26:50):
Yeah, but he was like but he knew his brother
had like maybe molested.

Speaker 4 (01:26:53):
Also, like I have a cousin, yeah, And if I
heard this story, I'd be like yeah, like like there
there are people in your family who are like, okam,
I got my eye on you.

Speaker 1 (01:27:07):
Yeah. But the secret, the secret is this is never
who you think it is, which makes me suspect everyone
who I don't think it is.

Speaker 4 (01:27:14):
But this guy is that he like that that that
guy who talks in the monotone voice, in that weirdness.
Like I literally have a cousin like this, and I'm like, okay, okay,
yeah you're I wouldn't be surprised if they're like, yeah,
forty bodies's like.

Speaker 1 (01:27:29):
Come on His brother is like interviewed in one of
these like ID shows, and he's like a normal sweet dude,
and he's like, I was out of town for a
long time and then I came back and then he
was just playing this shit and I was like, oh fuck,
Like he knows it's his brother, and then he sees
the writing sample. He like goes to the police and
brings like a letter that his brother written him, and
they like match it up. But this is only for

(01:27:51):
the first murder.

Speaker 4 (01:27:52):
Well fucking good for him because most what no, but
most people in a family would be like, it's not
him and convince themselves it's not him.

Speaker 1 (01:28:01):
You turn your breath, like would you turn your family
member and if you thought it was them, yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:28:05):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah a fucking murderer. Yeah I don't.

Speaker 2 (01:28:10):
You would, Yes, I would. I would like this question. Yes,
I absolutely would. All right, Because here's the thing. When
you it's like what you're saying, we I think everybody
at least knows a person or has a relative or
whatever where you're just like it's just like there's something

(01:28:32):
going on. So it's not like you'd be you know,
calling in all the time or whatever. But there was
something where ITAs like undeniable evidence say, and undeniable evidence
be and terrible result.

Speaker 3 (01:28:42):
You have to get those people off the street.

Speaker 1 (01:28:44):
And even if you do it and you turn them
in and it's not them, and it's fine, it's like
at least you tried something.

Speaker 4 (01:28:50):
Yeah, I mean, Christmas is weird, but it's so hard.

Speaker 1 (01:28:54):
There's a lot to talk about.

Speaker 4 (01:28:55):
You know, I got you a really big.

Speaker 1 (01:28:57):
Gift, freedom exoneration. All right. So he goes to they
figure out it's him, They fucking arrest him, and while
he's in prison, Uh, he confesses to a cellmate about
Magoomy's murder because he can't fucking he needs to tell
someone about it. Also, he had her that this is

(01:29:19):
the second woman because he's convicted on the first woman
because of her of the calls the second woman, they
didn't even know it was. It was connected and they
and he has her CD player in his cell, in
his cells cell. But no, I mean, I'm gonna.

Speaker 4 (01:29:38):
What what.

Speaker 1 (01:29:41):
I Supposedly they let CD players into fucking prison ourselves.

Speaker 4 (01:29:45):
Well, but now now I'm like, it's a good idea
because he brought her her possessions into his cell.

Speaker 1 (01:29:53):
And her parents were like, here's the receipt with the
fucking number on it and they were able to match
it up. Yeah, yeah, that's some good. Somebody did some
good work there, seriously. Yeah, so what so he had
put her in a rubbish spin and then they tracked
the rubbish fin down. They figured out when that bin
had gone to the dump. They the cops fucking went

(01:30:17):
through like bail by bail till they found the like
the area where she had been in the dump. So,
let's see, eleven days after they started searching after ten
thousand tons. But it's t U N N E S.
So I don't know if this is the same thing
as tons. How many is that?

Speaker 4 (01:30:37):
I mean, if I I was just in Australia, if
I know correctly, it's about a tea spins.

Speaker 1 (01:30:45):
After all of that, under under all that rubbish, they
fucking find her. That's pretty amazing. Not to disparage.

Speaker 4 (01:30:54):
American cops, but I also think there's a there's a
financial aspect where they just go all right, yeah, go
ahead and not look in the garbage. Yeah yeah, totally.

Speaker 1 (01:31:06):
They find her all of this stuff, and he gets
when they asked her why he killed her, he says,
because I did piece of ship clearly. Yeah. He's sentenced
to two concurrent life sentences without parole. He pled guilty
to the murders of both the women, Maya Jackick and

(01:31:26):
Magomi Suzuki. He fell an application seeking the imposition of
a non parole period for killing them. But everyone's like,
everyone in Australia is like, fuck you, that's never gonna happen.
So he's in prison forever. Fuck him?

Speaker 4 (01:31:50):
Fuck him? When you when you when you think your
last Australia story, Did someone go you got to know
about this Australian guy? No, they didn't.

Speaker 1 (01:32:01):
No, I just I haven'ts yet and I search murders constantly.

Speaker 4 (01:32:05):
Maybe that's why you have insomnia.

Speaker 1 (01:32:08):
Oh, I'm sure it's not. Wait what I never thought
about them?

Speaker 4 (01:32:13):
Have you seen all the datelines?

Speaker 1 (01:32:14):
All of them? Are you in love with Keith Morrison?

Speaker 4 (01:32:19):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (01:32:20):
My god? Keith Lean's on things? Do you know this?
He really loves to lean. There's an instagram of called
Keith leans on Things and it's just Keith Morris leaning
on things. That's so bad. Spring grabs. And then he
came to the he came to the woman's house who
made that instagram, and they lean on each other, my hero.

Speaker 4 (01:32:43):
That's pretty great.

Speaker 1 (01:32:45):
I don't know how we're doing.

Speaker 4 (01:32:50):
I feel super dirty.

Speaker 1 (01:32:51):
I know, I know, I know. You apologize again.

Speaker 4 (01:32:54):
My last and the last dollar we put up there
were approximately a million penguinstern in oil.

Speaker 1 (01:33:02):
What's this?

Speaker 4 (01:33:03):
Yeah, it's a story I did, okay, and I took
me two days to get over that.

Speaker 1 (01:33:11):
Yeah, legus honerate you. So you feel good right now?
Like you're doing good.

Speaker 4 (01:33:17):
You know what's funny is years ago I was talking
to Karen about comedy and she was like, she was like,
just he just did a joke about child murder, and
I just don't think it's funny. And I don't think
people should talk about No, not our Karen. But people change. Obviously,
this is a lie.

Speaker 1 (01:33:41):
There's no way I said that ever.

Speaker 4 (01:33:45):
Yeah, who was it?

Speaker 1 (01:33:46):
Ray James? Yeah? I was not mad about the child murder.
This is not the Karen. I know I was.

Speaker 3 (01:33:53):
I was using that topic as an excuse to hate
a person.

Speaker 1 (01:33:58):
It's what we do, it's what we do.

Speaker 3 (01:34:01):
I don't do it anymore. You don't have to either,
Uh should we?

Speaker 2 (01:34:07):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (01:34:08):
We have so many shirts? What do we do about
these shirt?

Speaker 2 (01:34:10):
We're gonna do we're we're gonna say goodbye and then
we're gonna throw shirts at people.

Speaker 1 (01:34:14):
Oh my god, shirts by Michael Ramstead, these amazing shirts.

Speaker 2 (01:34:21):
Thank you for sending us all your hometown murders. Please
keep sending them in. We love them and they fuel
our minisodes and they help us a lot.

Speaker 4 (01:34:29):
And can I say thank you for coming to the
podcast festival support and supporting this podcast.

Speaker 1 (01:34:37):
Because we.

Speaker 4 (01:34:40):
The wead book these guys really early on when they started,
they started popping up and I was like, I feel
like something's happening here. Sure enough, a lot of people
are fucking crazy, and now we want to like my wife,
My wife is a total murderer. We talked about she's
all about the murders. So yeah, yeah, it.

Speaker 3 (01:34:58):
Makes me so happy.

Speaker 6 (01:34:59):
I know.

Speaker 1 (01:34:59):
Thank you guy Hype so much for a fucking.

Speaker 2 (01:35:05):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:35:06):
You guys are thank you so much. This is our
first live show. This is so fucking.

Speaker 2 (01:35:12):
Of many of many, So yes, your Dave Anthony, first guest,
the perfect first guest. Yeah, and I guess now we
tell you to stay sexy and don't get murdered.

Speaker 1 (01:35:27):
But I have Elvis on the wait, hold on, here
we go, here we go. Wait do it again. Stay
sexy and don't get murdered. This is what she tried.

Speaker 4 (01:35:40):
She tried to play it for Gareth backstage.