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It’s My Favorite Murder, this week with hand-holding and shit! Karen and Georgia share the story of the killer priest, Gerald Robinson, and prepare for their trip to Chicago with a breakdown of the 2016 Gage Park stabbings.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:17):
I'm breathing for four counts? How many do I breathe out?
Don't breathe out, don't breathe just keep breathing in. Hi me,
mem he's here, Stephen. Do you want to turn off
the umph? That thing? I just realized it was loud?
Thank you?

Speaker 2 (00:35):
Oh my gosh, it's breaking down. We're keeping this in right,
Oh dear, I just turned it higher.

Speaker 1 (00:41):
You lost your fucking mind? All right? Right, everybody, here
we go. Welcome to my favorite Learner episode thirty eight.
I feel a hurricane episode. Hi, Hi, we have Stephen back.
Stephen was gone last week. Steven, welcome back.

Speaker 3 (01:01):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:01):
Thanks for watching my cats while I was out of town.

Speaker 3 (01:04):
They kept me busy, but I love them.

Speaker 1 (01:06):
Yes, save it for the cat podcast for casts everyone.

Speaker 2 (01:11):
I have a story to tell about being on a
town speaking of Oh.

Speaker 1 (01:14):
This is my favorite murder by the way, did you
say that right? I don't know you're Karen, I Georgia,
that's right, that's right. I mean we're back in our
normal seats, which to me makes all the difference.

Speaker 2 (01:23):
You came in tonight and like sat in my seat,
and then I was like, are we gonna We're not
doing this right, and it's like, no, yeah, no, I'm
absolutely not so.

Speaker 1 (01:32):
Wait Georgia went to San Francisco for was it for
unique seek? No, it's just for like a real life,
normal trip of it. Yeah, Oh my god, how was
it so chilly on your Argentina right now?

Speaker 2 (01:46):
Oh? This goddamn town so bud? Oh it was nice?
Can I tell you honestly? Yes, I like staying home.

Speaker 1 (01:53):
You do a lot like as a staycation as opposed
to going somewhere for the vacation. I'm not Yeah, I
like being home, I hear you.

Speaker 2 (02:02):
You know, I like that excuse to like eat and
drink whatever I want when I'm out of town. But like,
I also like hanging out a home. Did you guys
drive or fly?

Speaker 1 (02:09):
They flew?

Speaker 2 (02:09):
I feel like at this point in my life, I've
guess i'd like gotten to this place where, like, I'm
not going to fly to San Francisco. I'm not going
to fly to Vegas. I'm in a valet park most
most of the time. You mean drive, right?

Speaker 1 (02:21):
You were saying fly, Yes, that's what you're going to
do the most convenient thing because you're an adult. Yea,
I'm an adult.

Speaker 2 (02:26):
Like that to me was like when I realized that
I can now afford valet parking and like not even
not I could afford it for a long time, but
I was like, fuck.

Speaker 1 (02:33):
You, I'm not paying to like to like pay you
to eat at your place. But that's not it. It's
you're paying for the convenience of pulling up and walking
away from your car.

Speaker 2 (02:42):
Yeah, and not being in a dangerous neighborhood walking down
the street right anyways, Uh yeah, San Francisco. And then
I'm walking down Hate Street, that great street, that great street,
Hate with vents during the day, We're like doing touristy things,
and I hear someone scream at me from a moo
car and I go to Vince, what was that he said?

Speaker 1 (03:04):
She said, my favorite murder? What Yes? As she drove by,
I lost my mind and.

Speaker 2 (03:14):
I like waved my hands in the like I went,
I totally like lost my mind.

Speaker 1 (03:23):
That's awesome. I know I didn't play it cool when
I wasn't being cool because it was like cools for fools. Care. Yeah,
it was exciting. Oh my god, I'm smiling so much.
First of all, I used to live were you in
the Upper Height where like all the shops are We
were in the Upper Hay yet, Yeah, that's where that's
my old neighborhood from when I used to live there
before the dot com boom, when you could live in
the Upper Height as a young four person dangerous there

(03:46):
it was. It wasn't bad. Well you know what though
that back then I craved dangers.

Speaker 2 (03:50):
Yeah, I get it. I lived in Koreatown for a
little while. Yeah, you know.

Speaker 1 (03:54):
Uh so that it's like even more touching. I just
love that. But I think also that's I love that
someone recognized you from Like it must have it had
to have been a block away.

Speaker 2 (04:04):
Yeah, well they were driving by, and it's like, okay,
I mean Vince is like a tall dude with like
blonde shaved head and like always wears a flannel and
I'm like a short, you know, Like and I had
been posting on my Instagram that I was in town.

Speaker 1 (04:17):
Oh so like probably like knew that I was. There
was a follower.

Speaker 2 (04:21):
There's this person, but it still was like and I
didn't get it at first, and then I was like what, yeah, what, Vince,
what'd you say?

Speaker 1 (04:27):
She's like remurder but they're like get out of town,
nark Oh wait yeah, that's I was about to hell
fuck you, and I realized it was a good thing.
You go kick their bumper, Georgia wait, I love that.
I went to see Jimmy Pardo and Matt bell Knapp
have of course the very famous podcast Never Not Funny,

(04:49):
and our friend April Richardson was on it the other night,
so I went with her because we're two old crones
that go everywhere together, and because she was the guest.
It was over at Flappers and during the show Jimmy
referenced me and did it in his very Jimmy part

(05:09):
way of going, oh, sure, start a podcast and then
you're number one, We've been here for ten years whatever,
which is the highest compliment from a comedian.

Speaker 2 (05:17):
Like putting you down by complimenting you by putting you
down exactly.

Speaker 1 (05:21):
That's the only way they can do it. Today. It's
very hard for us as stand up comedians to really
express ourselves. But it was a lovely shout out, really
is what it was. And afterwards, when we went to leave,
two different girls came up and were like, I'm a
murder Reno. It's the funniest thing when people say it
that way too. I'm a Riot's it's me. I'm a

(05:43):
murder reno, just like, Hi, oh, that's really fun.

Speaker 2 (05:46):
There's another girl who messed it, who like put a
message on my Instagram photo and was like, I saw
you on the bart train in San Francisco and I
recognized you and I looked at her photo and I
was like, oh my god. She's like I was just
scared to say anything, and I was like, I was
staring at you because You're hair was so cute.

Speaker 1 (06:01):
Why what was her hair? Like? Her hair was like a.

Speaker 2 (06:02):
Pixie cut, and I was looking at her being like, fuck,
I wish I could pull that off.

Speaker 1 (06:05):
That girl pulls it off really well. What pixie like?
A boy a boy cut like like tinker Bell. Yeah,
tinker Bill has a bun.

Speaker 2 (06:14):
Oh shit, I'm thinking tinker Bell from hook Oh.

Speaker 1 (06:21):
Julia rob from the nineties.

Speaker 4 (06:23):
Julia Roberts in a wig. I've always wanted that hair too. Well,
like Julie Roberts in a wig, slicked a door. She
was rocking boy hair. You have to be so pretty
to be able to pull off that hair.

Speaker 2 (06:35):
Yeah. I was like, fuck shit, And I've done I've
done that hair and been like, oh my god, what
did I do?

Speaker 1 (06:39):
Dude in high school, I did the ghost haircut. What's
the ghost haircut? It's a bowl cut. It's like a
it's a big round Demi Moore and ghost bowl cut?
Did you go in and be like give me the ghost?
I I think it may have been before ghost no brag.
And I know that I had also sonnened my hair,
so I basically had orange hair in a buwl cut.

(07:00):
I looked like I had. It was kind of like
as if I was trying to look like a Japanese
rock star is what I look like? But not? But
then everything else a male Japanese rock star. It was like, basically,
what are you doing? Is what is what I looked like?
I mean, we have so many throwback Thursday photos that
just horror never see the life horrify. No, here's one

(07:23):
thing I would like to mention for housekeeping. And this
is actually kind of on uh on frame, on brand,
so it's going to be wrong and loud. Uh. This
morning people were posting and and some people actually also
tweeted it to me, there's a very disturbing YouTube video

(07:46):
about this. Yes, so it's okay. In the body. It
was on BuzzFeed first. That's somebody. I'm sorry whoever tweeted
it first, because it was a handful of people. But
I always want to give the first people credit, and
I never remember they're at okay things. It's always like
Baboon Hearts sixty four or whatever, where I'm like, could
you just have a name that boon.

Speaker 2 (08:06):
Heard sixty four is gonna blow up right now, even
though they like don't even know what the podcast is.
It's like some some like mom from some.

Speaker 1 (08:14):
Transplant surgeon that's like, no, I actually have transplanted sixty
four Baboon Hearts, but they sent it and it's this
BuzzFeed did a really disturb it. It's somebody found a
YouTube video of a guy saying talking to his friend
and saying, hey, I got a new girlfriend. And then
they cut to a naked girl tied up in a
bathroom and screaming, screaming what do you do? Why are

(08:37):
you doing this? Help me? Yes, they thought it was
connected to a missing girl.

Speaker 2 (08:42):
I know, God, you're doing everything I was going to do,
like forget to find her name, oh, because I totally forgot.

Speaker 1 (08:48):
The missing girl's name was Kaylea Bergh and she went missing.
The videos from two thousand and nine, and I guess
she went missing, oh like a little bit. And it's
so crazy.

Speaker 2 (08:59):
So I look, I was like doing some researching because
of course I'm fucking read it on Solved Mysteries, which
is like the best late night you know, stay up
till four in the morning thing.

Speaker 1 (09:08):
Trying to sell some mysteries. Yeah, well they have a
screen grap.

Speaker 2 (09:11):
I can't watch the video because like it's scared, Like
I can't watch the video because it's like a nine
one one call rite for you, like, exactly did you
watch it?

Speaker 1 (09:18):
No? I can't watch it. No, but I scrolled down
far enough to see a screen grab from it, and
I want to sue so many different people right now.

Speaker 2 (09:24):
Well, they have the screen grap of the photo of
the girl and then the photo of the girl who
got Kayla who got kidnapped next to it, and it
fucking looks like.

Speaker 1 (09:33):
Her to But they already they announced it's a hoax,
but they don't know for sure. No, they well that
the articles I read, which was at seven o'clock tonight,
yeah say it it is.

Speaker 2 (09:43):
Well, they say that he's a known like actor, pranker dude,
but they don't.

Speaker 1 (09:48):
And she's an actress. Yeah, they know it's they know
it's not real. Is the last article I read her
poor family, Kayla's family. Well, also, what kind of prank?
Yeah that's not Look inside yourself and ask what is
wrong that you need to do shit like that. There's
something wrong. I hope the police keep their eye on

(10:09):
that prank or dude who thinks something like that is funny?

Speaker 2 (10:11):
Like and her like, what kind of like go do
community theater?

Speaker 1 (10:16):
I mean something now now that I'm thinking of it,
I was in theater and this is the kind of
shit that it's like you it's almost like you're like, oh,
this will.

Speaker 2 (10:24):
Be amazing, Like you don't even it's something like, hey,
let's do this. We're gonna do this shoot today. It's
like late night, you're like hanging out, like let's do
this thing.

Speaker 1 (10:30):
Wouldn't this be this? It'll be amazing, And you're more
concerned about yourself and like you'll look really good tied
up naked or something instead of like any impact or
you're like assuming no one I'll see it, instead of
oh my god, what if this actually affects people? That's
how when I made them with Nagatini video. That's what
happened to me too.

Speaker 2 (10:49):
We were like, no one will see this, this will ridiculous,
and they're like, we don't know ten thousand people. And
then like, that's how my career started. With Nagatini kidnapping video.

Speaker 1 (10:57):
Sad thing. And the weirdest thing is last week on
the show I work on, it was my episode and
in the middle of it, the director of the episode,
who is this super badass Peter Atensio who directed Canu
the can Peel movie? Who am all of can Peel?
All of can Peel? He's done a ton of shit.
I think he did The Last Man on Earth. Yeah,

(11:18):
he's done a bunch of stuff. He's he's the ship
right now. He walks up to me and goes, you
know my friend Georgia, and I was like, what is happening?
And he directed your Nuggetini video. He did that.

Speaker 2 (11:28):
We were just friends with him, and he was like, hey,
I'll do this like for like for free as a
friend did that in my grandma's kitchen. And then from
that we got a web series with Cooking Channel and
he directed those two and like, no way, he's just
like a buddy of ours. That's so old and now
he's like this huge Now he's the ship. And everybody
on my episode, which was very involved, and like, should

(11:50):
we plug the show early? I don't think we can't.
I mean like I don't, yeah, and I think we
should wait until. I always think I'm going to get
so I get it. I want to sue people and
I want to get to But that was an awesome connection.

Speaker 1 (12:03):
And then I told you this already, but I won't
tell other people whether I was leaving. It is that
kind of thing where this is like a real TV
show I've worked on. Obviously, I've worked on TV for
a while, but this is like an exciting show that
I really love and believe in and think is great.
And it feels like other people that are working on
it feel that way too, which is normally when you
work with crew people and stuff, they're all like checking

(12:23):
their watch, like I need to get out of here.
But everybody in this whole crew is so good. They're
really good at what they do. It's amazing to watch.
These are obviously kind of a lister people in all
these different departments. And when we went to leave, everyone
was kind of thanking each other, saying goodbye or whatever,
and it was like, you know, midnight on Friday. It sucked.
So I went to leave and then I as I

(12:44):
saw the prop master, so I went to say thank
you to him, and as we were shaking hands, he
was like, great to work with you, and then he goes,
don't get murdered and walked away. Can you tell me
I didn't know? I thought I called you. Oh yeah,
I didn't know. Shit, maybe it was my sister. That's
where we become. I'm kind of losing my mind right now.

(13:07):
I'm so fucking tired. I'm so tired. I feel like
I have fifty thousand emails, I know, and I'm not
doing I feel like I'm I have nineteen plates spinning,
I'm dropping all of them.

Speaker 2 (13:18):
Everything's still everything's working out, I know. Like the other
day we were like both freaking out of it, like
social media on this and it's like, well, it's not
it's not gonna implode if we don't retweet someone's Everything's okay.
You're getting you're on your job and you're doing your
big job. Yes, everything else is still working out. We're okay, right,
We're fine, Like we're good. This is like anxiety like

(13:40):
at work.

Speaker 1 (13:41):
Yes, well it's just a lot. I mean, it's just look,
no complaints. That's the worst thing in the world to
complain about. But anyway, I know, but it's it's nice.
There's some fun things happening. I guess that the fun
thing about that story is I'm sitting there going like, oh,
everyone's so awesome or whatever, and then like when someone
comes up, Yeah, it's such an intimate thing. Yeah, listen,

(14:06):
damn thing is good. What if I just immediately I
started asking for compliments the second after he told me
not to get murder. You sound like me.

Speaker 2 (14:15):
Oh, we sold out the Chicago Podcast Festival show that
we're doing Chicago.

Speaker 1 (14:20):
Check ca, go check Cat.

Speaker 2 (14:22):
I don't know how I can think. I don't know,
nine hundred and fifty people, is it? That's too many people?

Speaker 1 (14:27):
Yeah, we gotta let's cut that in half for sure. Okay,
Well call the guy tomorrow. We put that wall up.
What's you know, like, we'll hang the improv curtain. He's like,
only half the room sold out. We just we'll bring
our own big, huge black curtain. But they'll be the
rest of the people will be behind that curtain. We
just we can't see though.

Speaker 2 (14:44):
Yeah, I'm trying. Your sister's coming. I'm trying to bring
my mom.

Speaker 1 (14:47):
We're It's so exciting because my these are the people
that never paid attention to anything I did until I
was about twenty seven, and now you're a big deal
and all of a sudden. But I think Adrian and
Audrey were the first who started and these are basically
our childhood friends. Get from way Backed, Pedaluma, hardcore, What's U?

(15:10):
And we have a we have a text thread that's
been going for like a year where we're just constantly
sent each other terrible cat photos and whatever.

Speaker 2 (15:19):
Remind me to send you the rock and roll ALF
gift rock and roll ALF. Okay, sorry on Oh.

Speaker 1 (15:26):
Someone at work mentioned the other day, do you know
Elf ended with him being taken away by the government.
Is that the truth? There was someone with me getting
a nod from Dustin? I mean, is it true? Same thing?

Speaker 3 (15:39):
That's very true.

Speaker 1 (15:40):
Here are young enough to like have absorbed.

Speaker 3 (15:42):
That somebody talked about her recently.

Speaker 1 (15:44):
You briefly run it down. How is that how?

Speaker 3 (15:48):
I don't know. I just heard that that's how it ended.
So somebody's lying to me, and you.

Speaker 2 (15:53):
Can I be honest, That motherfucker ate cats. So I
don't give a ship what happened.

Speaker 1 (15:56):
Okay, alf maybe it was Cat's dress step in government clothes. Oh,
this is fan fiction that we have to write. Where
were we? Oh, your shisterio friends, they're gonna Oh so
then in this text they I one of them said
you're going to go to the Chicago to do your
podcast and I was like, yeah.

Speaker 3 (16:17):
Oh.

Speaker 1 (16:17):
They were mad that they didn't. They weren't here for
our first whole.

Speaker 2 (16:20):
I didn't even bite my mom, even those down the
street from her house.

Speaker 1 (16:23):
And now I'm like, I'm gonna fly her to Chicago.
You're gonna do a little makeup work for Yeah. But anyway,
they got excited and then they're like, we could go,
we can afford to go, we can fly out. And
then they basically made the plans on the text read
and I was just laying on my couch like all
bitchy and tired and like it was of course ten
o'clock at night, and I was like, I don't want

(16:44):
to take my muscat off. And then my sister and
my old friends just start making this plan in front
of me to come and be there for when we
do Chicago. We're going to cry It made me cry
at the time, and then I was like, you guys,
I'm crying, and they just didn't even pay attention. There
were such a hard plan. You cry so easily. I
will well, especially these days like the other day, I

(17:04):
had a brief passing thought in the room and then
I pretend I had to pretend to sneeze so that
you would understand why my eyes were the way they were.

Speaker 2 (17:13):
You're the most hard ass, and then you just fucking
lose it. That's how it always is.

Speaker 1 (17:17):
If someone's a real hard ass, they're the biggest softy, right,
That makes sense. We have to put our duke's way
up because we have we're like the a prickly pair
with the gooey center. Oh that sounds I'm hungry. You
just bite into a prickly pair. Why is this gooey?
What a oh shirt stuff? Wait before we do that,

(17:40):
should we say thank you to our gifts that we
forgot about? Yes? Okay, I have a thank you. We
have a several thank you.

Speaker 2 (17:46):
So at our live show in Los Angeles at the
LA Podcast, we afterwards like a bunch of people just
like handed us shit and like didn't even want money
for it.

Speaker 1 (17:54):
Walked away and did there's no cards, we don't know names.
They didn't want anything for it, which is like banana, Oh,
it's the way to do it. Actually, so they respected.
I agree, like it's legit. Just add a card because
some of it we don't know who it's from. Yeah,
we do want to know your name. Okay.

Speaker 2 (18:09):
So this someone just handed me this, like these this
gift bag with two cat toys in it that Elvis
and Mimi have fucking lost their shit over.

Speaker 1 (18:19):
Elvis was laying on one of them like a pillow.

Speaker 2 (18:22):
Yeah, little it's one's a goldfish and one's an elephant,
and they're filled with catnip and they and it's it's
called BECO Family b e c O and you can
get them at I think it's a little Dear b
e c O Pets b c O pet dot com.
And there are these like adorable and it looks like

(18:42):
natural and like not bad for you cat toys. And
they've held out, which usually when catnip toys they chewed on,
they fall apart immediately and they've like fought each other
over them. So thankfully they gave us two. But thank
that's so awesome. They're so sweet. I'm gonna post a
photo of Elvis and Meme fighting over them on on
their Instagram.

Speaker 1 (19:02):
And we got the We got mugs from the corner's office.
I like to think the corner brought them him or herself,
but we don't really know. I feel like I.

Speaker 2 (19:12):
Wish the person i'd given us a card. I feel
like they probably bought those at the Museum of Death.

Speaker 1 (19:17):
Oh yeah, you know what I mean. They seem like
something that you could buy at the Museum of Death.
I just like it because in the morning it's a
nice tall mug, and then it's a skeleton with us
with a Sherlock Holmes hat on and I think he's
smoking a pipe.

Speaker 2 (19:29):
Mine was a chalk out line, a body chalk out line.

Speaker 1 (19:32):
Nice with that on it. They're really good quality mugs,
so thank you whoever was the gift giver.

Speaker 2 (19:39):
In that scenario, you could probably bash someone over the
hat with it and it wouldn't even break.

Speaker 1 (19:43):
There might wait, what mighte be a little knife in
the bottom I was trying to riff. I think that's
it for those My favorite murder no, no, okay, t
spring dot com slash my Favorite Murder is the place
to buy shirts and mugs. I'm doing new shirts and
we're doing mugs.

Speaker 2 (20:03):
And also there's going to be new quotes, and there's
a new one up right now.

Speaker 1 (20:06):
If you go to it.

Speaker 2 (20:07):
If I do, don't fall asleep tonight and don't put it.

Speaker 1 (20:10):
Up, but it will be up. Which one is it politeness?
That's I want that one?

Speaker 2 (20:15):
And so I think there's only ever going to be
four shirts, and whicheveryone does the least well, I'm taking down,
so you better fucking buy it now and vote for
your favorite.

Speaker 1 (20:23):
I don't know. And also any moment there's going to
be a murder Now shirt.

Speaker 2 (20:27):
I think probably tomorrow there's a new Murdering No shirt,
a fuck politen a shirt.

Speaker 1 (20:31):
When she said any moment, she really meant I mean,
I'm just doing this. But Stephen also showed me his
tote bag, which is actually really even seen it. Look
at this thing. It's the original oh my God logo
and it's my favorite Murder logo tote bag. And it's like,
it's good. It's like a book bag. It reminds me
of like my fourth grade book bag. Steven, any comments

(20:52):
thoughts on it.

Speaker 3 (20:53):
I mean it holds the gear that records this podcast.

Speaker 1 (20:56):
Solely shit meta dude, it's in good hands. This is
holistic us.

Speaker 2 (21:00):
And go to the farmer's market with a shirt with
a toe bag that says fuck politeness.

Speaker 1 (21:05):
Yeah, and tell everyone to fuck off and get some saleberries.
What are saleberries? Well, they'll give you a discount because
they love our bondh it's like on sale berries. Yeah,
I thought that was a barry. I didn't know about saleberries.
You know they taste like say it, sail it? I can't,
I can't. I'm so tight Ti Karen tregging a diet

(21:31):
ginger it, what's happening. That's the other thing too. I
haven't had anything I like to eat in six months.
So look amazing. You look miserable and amazing. I'm miserably amazing.
Thank you.

Speaker 2 (21:44):
It's just so much. Also, we're in the la oh whatever.
All right, anyways, let's move on to this. Yeah, there's
so much going on.

Speaker 1 (21:51):
Let's take a quick what oh I was just gonna say, uh,
somebody was taught My friend Nick who listens high Nick Berns,
who listens to us and is a big fan and
as a big podcast person in general kind of like
listens to all of them. He was talking about. I
can't remember what he's talking about specifically, but then I

(22:13):
was I just mentioned the skippers and the people who
actually message us to complain, uh, And I said there,
I basically said there are some people who are just like,
come on, get to the murder. And he could not
stop laughing at that sentence. He's like, that's your poll quote.
That has to be your poll quote, Get to the murder.
And I was like, oh, you know what, You're right,
that's exactly right. Oh my god, Like, this is the

(22:35):
pup set up before. This is the podcast. This is
the podcast, to quote Jimmy Pardo, listen or don't listen
or don't this is the podcast. The thing is sorry,
oh no, nut, see you're dying bucking gingerilla everywhere. It
started so high? Do it again? Sorry?

Speaker 2 (22:56):
Sorry, but that's my that's the thing of sometimes let's
just say that tipvins because he knows what I mean.

Speaker 1 (23:05):
Sorry, but do you mind skipping the fuck out of here? Oh? Shit,
break time, break time, then murder time, then we get
to the murders. Oh then can you just fucking get
to the murders? All right? And what if my eye

(23:31):
fell up? Does have this weird nerve pain in my
left eye.

Speaker 2 (23:36):
I'm actually really bummed because one of my like murders
on my future list is the eyeball killer.

Speaker 1 (23:41):
Like, what if I did that tonight and it just
so happened. If that happened, that would be like what
was that Time Life book series where they're like a
mother in Ohio's has pain in her hand at the
same time that her daughters gets stabbed in the hand.
I loved those. Yeah, what was the one? Those were
Mysteries of the Unknown or something like that. It was

(24:03):
definitely that was one of them. It wasn't.

Speaker 2 (24:05):
It was like there was that there was unsolved mysteries.
There was like the the like New Generation of Twilight Zone.

Speaker 1 (24:12):
Yeah, that was super scary and the movie also in
the eighties.

Speaker 2 (24:15):
Yeah, they just basically wanted to scar us and scare
the shit out of us and then they end up
making the coolest people.

Speaker 1 (24:22):
That's right, any generations really being like an take it.
But also I wish was it called Mysteries of the
Unknown or it was called Time Life book series, Time
Life Books Presents. Come on, we got this that the
paranormal or something.

Speaker 2 (24:36):
I bet you're right about gonna know and there was
also like like tombs that they would open in Egypt
and they like contain things.

Speaker 1 (24:46):
I fucking love Egypt tombs. Yeah, I loved Dude.

Speaker 2 (24:52):
Do you know that there's a there's a okay, global
warming is causing uh, these glaciers to mouth? Yes, the Alps, Yes,
And you know what they're finding underneath them? What they're
finding the bodies of World War One soldiers that died
in a crazy battle up.

Speaker 1 (25:07):
At the top. No, yeah, that is I love that.
I know archaeology is like that. But also what if
that happens and they it's they start finding stuff that
like they didn't know was there. That's why I thought
you were going to go to the Pyramids and the Alps,
so I thought, like those World.

Speaker 2 (25:28):
War One soldiers had iPhones, they all have found it.

Speaker 1 (25:36):
No, not Mysteries of the Criminal Minds. Damn it.

Speaker 2 (25:40):
I was going to I was going to give your
podcast a shout out, but now you don't deserve the
per cast doesn't deserve it.

Speaker 1 (25:47):
You know what you can do to make up for this?
Buy me this book. What is it called? It's timeless?

Speaker 3 (25:52):
Well, because I'm like the criminal mind, I think.

Speaker 1 (25:55):
Kindest mysteries of the Unknown. I think I might be right.
It had like a I think you're right. The picture
was like a pyramid with lightning or something on the front.

Speaker 2 (26:04):
And then I'll remember all those ones that like you
can see like in the dollar bill, you can see
that someone's head and it's like.

Speaker 1 (26:12):
Mystic Places, Mystery, there's a whole series. Yes, that's it.
There is there. It is well done. Look and with that,
Stephen immediately wins us back over to his favor Listen
to the per cast.

Speaker 2 (26:24):
That's three rsper cast for cast Stephen Ray Morris.

Speaker 3 (26:28):
I'm having the best time right now.

Speaker 1 (26:32):
So are you, Stephen? Should we start in? Yeah, I
think you're first. Is it murder time? I'm also first
because I could just keep going like this. By the way,
I know where we just never talk about murder. We
just kind of go hysterical. Iorifer really talk about murder,
but not really, but not really ever get to anything specific.

(26:52):
Sciatica is still killing me. There's a couple of things
on the on the Facebook page this week that I
really adored, but I didn't have time. Is that thing
where I get up in the morning and I had
to make a rule that I can't do it in
the morning anymore, because I just it eats up like.

Speaker 2 (27:05):
An hour and a half you could spend so and
then you like click on this thing, and then you
like click on another like link in that, and then
you read about that, like I didn't know about that,
and then you have to like text it to yourself
so you can write.

Speaker 1 (27:14):
Yes, you're making a list. I have like my list
on the side of my like the left hand side
of my computer. It just goes on for two It's
things I feel like I'm never going to look at again,
but I'm never going to get to those. I do
want to know what it would happen to those toursos
H seventy killer. Who's that? I must know? I'm the
one that has to. Yeah. The good thing, the comforting
thing is, especially when I look on a Facebook page,

(27:36):
there are so many people that are so much more
interested in this than I am, and so much more
dedicated and so and some professionals. But it's like, oh,
I don't have to I don't have to know every
story because they will help us.

Speaker 2 (27:49):
Well, one day this will be your full time job
and then we'll just go to therapy every day too.

Speaker 1 (27:52):
That's right. We start with therapy and then we'll do
that too much.

Speaker 2 (27:56):
Well, actually in therapy will go over these will click together.

Speaker 1 (28:01):
That's a good idea. You and I will have group
therapy the twos. Yeah, I will just be holding hands
the whole time. Yeah, crying easily crying. This is one
time when I was eleven, bye ball forgot to pick
me up.

Speaker 2 (28:13):
Wait, that wasn't me, that was someone on the Facebook page.

Speaker 1 (28:16):
That Wait, that was a TV show all right. This
week Time Life series presents a murder that I'm positive
I I must have found on either through somebody who
tweeted it at us or somebody on the Facebook page.

(28:36):
But it's really good because as being an ex Catholic
or I guess a lapsed Catholic, I mean, I haven't
turned my back on the church. The last couple of
experiences I've had at the church in my hometown were great, Like, oh,
because you went with your niece, yeap. My niece goes
to Catholic school, goes to the same school I went to,
and the church the way they do things is really

(28:57):
different than the way it was done and in the
eighties it was likely, which is one hundred years ago.

Speaker 2 (29:03):
You have to be mean and enough to make you
pay attention, like love God or something.

Speaker 1 (29:10):
These days it's totally like we're all just here to
support each other. Where I'm like, what are these words?
They change the words. There's a lot of hand holding
and shit, my god, stuff that was never even It
wasn't done when I was growing girl.

Speaker 2 (29:23):
Today's Jewish holiday and I didn't fucking too shit, what
is it? PM, it's a young Kapoor and I absolutely
did nothing.

Speaker 1 (29:30):
Don't ask me the meaning of it. Okay, it's about atonement,
I think, right.

Speaker 2 (29:35):
Yes, I am a terrible I'm the jewishest non Jew
that's ever lived.

Speaker 1 (29:41):
That's really true. You play good Jews, yeah, but you
don't do any of the like no homework part. I
think it's enjoyable, and I also think it's what in
Los Angeles. I would say, it's like what ninety eight
percent of people are doing. Let's make this about me. God,
I'm sorry, keep going well. And then I just started
thinking of like what if we lived in a Catholic
town where everyone was, like, the business was all Catholic.

Speaker 2 (30:03):
Yeah, that'd be so fucking weird. I still get angry
when she's clothes on Sundays. I'm not gonna fucking lie
Karen tell me more about kadals I. Everyone should know
that if that sounded weird, I just made Stephen edit
out me hawking the biggest loogie.

Speaker 1 (30:18):
She was like a fucking a seventies baseball player. The
thing she just did with her nose and throat. Ear,
nose and throat. Man, that was good. Flummy, It was flummy.
You know, every once in a while, there'll be somebody
like on the street that does that. Oh, somebody doesn't
just spit like oh, I have just spit, but they'll
like hawk a loggie on the street and make a

(30:39):
noise and it's like thick where I just want to go?
Did you drive here from a place where there are
no other people? No?

Speaker 2 (30:46):
Man, that's how plagues start. You step on that, you
fucking That's why you take your shoes off in the house.

Speaker 3 (30:51):
That's right.

Speaker 1 (30:52):
Gross. That's why my sister won't let me put my
purse on her counter. I get it because your purse.
You put your purse on all surfaces.

Speaker 2 (30:58):
Okay, yeah, when I get home from a trip, my uh,
my luggage doesn't touch anything important. It's like on the
pad until you wipe it down with bleach. When someone
puts their luggage on the bed, I'm like, why are
you trying to get the black death?

Speaker 1 (31:13):
Just get to the murder. Yeah, okay, I'm sorry. No,
I'm not yelling. Oh I know, I know you're right,
you're so, But I say all this because my uh
my murder this week is about a priest named Gerald Robinson. Now,
normally I love a serial killer. I love a process killer.
I love somebody who maybe one of his eyes got

(31:36):
poked out and he's upset. And oh, there's a really
good TED talk somebody posted on the Facebook page. Sorry sidebar,
there's a really good Ted talk where a guy talks
about how people become like the mind of a serial
killer and he talks about violence, experiencing violence at a
young age and head trauma. Fuck yeah he does, and

(31:59):
that I love that. So anyway, this episode's called side Barnation.
This is become a citizen of side Barnation. Don't fight
us anymore. We know you like murder who everybody does.

Speaker 2 (32:10):
Join the religion of Sidebarnation because it's fun to have
add well, hold hands and we'll talk about it and.

Speaker 1 (32:17):
There will be crying. So normally, one off murders do
not interest me. Sure there has to be insane, extenuating
circumstances for me to be like, oh, because I have
that feeling like, well, that's just the thing that happens.
Somebody loses their shit and all of a sudden attacks
another person, or somebody pushes someone over and they hit.

Speaker 2 (32:38):
We're very fragile, delicate. Yeah, people like that happens. But
this is like, but you like the shit that's like planned, right,
I like the stuff that's from a movie. That's what
actually happened in real life. See, I think I'm the
opposite where I'm fascinated by the like you you did
these things without even realizing you were going to murder someone,
or like you were going to this was going to happen,

(33:00):
this thing was building up inside you. That's no, like
it wasn't even building up. It just this fucking snap
decision you made ended up in these circumstances, and you
had and you murdered someone without even fucking under Like
if you could go back and be like, I was
murdering this person and I did. I just wanted to.
I just wanted to show them how angry I was,
or I just wanted to. I just reacted in a

(33:20):
way that I'm not because I'm not good at controlling
my anger. Yeah, I wouldn't have done them, but I
did them.

Speaker 1 (33:27):
Like that's why I like went off. Okay, that makes sense. Well,
then you, Georgia, this one is dedicated to you. Think'll
this one's going out to Georgia tonight. Hey, Georgia, Karen
just wants you to know. I'm the lady from Coast
Local Jokes, Get local work, all right. This is Priest
Gerald Robinson. So this is fucked. It's a one off,

(33:49):
but it's crazy fucked. It has all these elements to
it where I'm like, I couldn't find Let's let's be honest, Karen,
he didn't find. I'm sure that it's possible to find
all the super detailed parts the correction corner. Next week
many of you will, Yes, this will go on and on,
but I'll just give you what I know. So on

(34:14):
April fifth, nineteen eighty, what a time good music TV.
I had all of them. There was so much great
stuff happening in our culture. But in Toledo, Ohio, at
the Toledo Mercy Hospital, in the sacristy of the chapel,
which is up where they keep the body of Christ Amen,

(34:36):
I believe. I think that's where, like up in near
the altar, I think that's the sacristy, or maybe the
sacristy is backstage. Happy Iam Kapor everyone they find a
fellow nun finds the body of sister Margaret and Paul.
And she had been stabbed thirty one times. Holy shit,

(34:56):
that's a lot. She well she had. She had an
been attacked from behind. She was hard of hearing, so
her killer snuck up on her, took a piece of cloth,
wrapped it around her neck, and choked her so hard
that he broke two bones in her neck. Then she
was placed on the floor. While she was dying, she
was covered with an altar cloth, and then she was

(35:17):
stabbed nine times over the heart came an inverted cross shade.
That's right. And then the cloth was removed and she
was stabbed in the chest, neck and face twenty two
more times. What the fuck? Why take the cloth off?
That doesn't make any sense, I mean. Then the killer

(35:39):
smudged blood on her forehead as if he was anointing
her with that blood, which is so creepy to me.
The Catholic. Then he pulled her dress above her chest cool.
Then he pulled her girdle and hose down cool and
pulled her pulled her legs apart, and they say he

(36:00):
penetrated her with either the murder weapon across ory finger.
Hate the murder. I hate that detail and murders, it's yeah,
that's it's that's hideous. Yeah, and it's also especially in
this case, the police were like, well, this was a person,
This was a person who intimately knew Catholic ritual and

(36:23):
who was trying to degrade this woman in front of
God and degrade the church. If she had lived one
more day, which was uh, if she had lived one
more day, she would have been seventy two years old.
And I believe the next day was what I was
thinking there just then, was the next day was Easter.

(36:45):
So she was born Ony. So four days later they
have her funeral and father Gerald Robinson presides over the funeral.
He was the hospital the chaplain of the hospital chapel,
and she was the caretaker of the hospital chapel. I
remember his name from when you introduced the story. Do

(37:06):
you remember maybe I shouldn't have done that. Then this
would be more of a revealed. Look, if I had
days and days to do this shit and I was
unemployed and stuff, Oh oh, the presentation I would give you.

Speaker 2 (37:17):
Wait, then you're making me feel bad because I have
days and days I'm unemployed.

Speaker 1 (37:21):
Oh yet I don't care. Well, then we're both doing great.
Two weeks later, Father Robinson is brought in for questioning
because they put it together that if it's somebody who
knows Catholic ritual and it's somebody who's trying to demean her,
they work together and she is known as a task
master in these It's so funny because these articles are

(37:44):
clearly from a while ago, where they're just right up top.
They're talking about what a bit she is where I'm
done is a fucking cunt? What a bit? And it's like,
first of all, he murdered her, so I think he's
the bigger cunt. Ultimately. Sorry, Sorry, the headline is sorry.

(38:04):
The I'm is tiny? Is it like font eight and
everything else is a font thirty two?

Speaker 2 (38:09):
Can we get that shes Amanda Amanda dot com, I
mean at Instagram?

Speaker 1 (38:14):
Uh yeah, so, but they talked about that she was
she was a tough old bird, and maybe that made
him mad, and maybe he couldn't handle that or didn't
like it or took it for years and years and years.
But uh, they tried so hard to take it. Oh,
and then then he was a man of the Lord,

(38:35):
so I guess he just had to kill instead. So
he's brought in for questioning. But he told the police
in nineteen eighty when he's brought in for questioning, that
somebody else had confessed to the murder. Oh, but he couldn't.
He didn't know who it was, and he couldn't say
anything else because of the bond. That's smart. They gave
him two polygraph tests which were inconclusive, and then uh

(38:59):
they let him go and within the year he's transferred
to a different fuck area. How convenient. Well twenty three
years later, Ah, so this is the coldest of cold cases.

Speaker 2 (39:13):
Yeah, it's a ritual murder of a nun in a chapel.
It wasn't just like a passionate murder. Like the fact
that he did the upside down cross and then and
then annoying did the smudge.

Speaker 1 (39:25):
Yes, like that's evil, it's super evil. And what's weird
to me is this And this is the part where
I do want to get into this more and learn
more about it. I bet you there's a book about this,
because this was during the time during Satanic panic. Oh, right,
in the eighties went like the mc martin daycare thing
where all of a sudden, this weird thing and maybe

(39:47):
this was before it and so it didn't catch that
in the way that it would have other places. But
in the eighties there's a fascinating there's definitely books about it.
Last Podcast on the Left did an episode about it
of Satanic pan where all of a sudden, people were
being accused, accused of a ritual serial murder of like

(40:08):
occult groups and Satanic groups and killing children and sacrificing
children and raping children, and this whole thing.

Speaker 2 (40:14):
That they like legitimately leaved in satan that there were
you know, album like music albums that you could play
backwards that were telling people to kill children in it.

Speaker 1 (40:23):
It was just like this. It was a whole thing,
same thing. It was like a cultural phenomenon, much like
the evil clown phenomenon we're all experiencing now, which I
think is hilarious. It's the greatest.

Speaker 2 (40:35):
It's like, it makes me happy in my heart and
I don't think that they're actually trying to hurt anyone.

Speaker 1 (40:40):
Like I think there's I would say there's ninety seven
percent of it is bored high school teen boys who
find old Halloween costumes and they're like, now we have
something to do. Totally. But there was that one story
where there was someone that there was a clown on
the edge of a forest trying to offer children candy.

Speaker 2 (40:56):
Yeah, but at what point is that built up by
likerfied fucking you know parents who are like.

Speaker 1 (41:03):
He tried to lumer my kid and the kid was.

Speaker 2 (41:05):
Like yeah to all, Like, I just don't believe it that.

Speaker 1 (41:07):
That's even true. I would love to know. It's hilarious.
There's I say, at the center of all this, there's
one evil clown and everybody else is just bandwagoning on
his ship.

Speaker 2 (41:17):
Yeah, and they're like, don't fuck our shit up, man,
this is like good for us. But one of them
is going to get shot by some fucking angry soccer dad.

Speaker 1 (41:24):
Well, then it's going to ruin. It'll be over. No,
that's going to ruin it for.

Speaker 2 (41:27):
All the rest all of us who want to laugh
at this because it's hilarious.

Speaker 1 (41:31):
They were actually doing that in Kern County like two
years ago, and people were taking video of it, and
it was it's because Kern County is up north of
Los Angeles and it's basically the forest. It's the bottom
of the wilderness, yeas, and it's the creepy there. People
would drive by and there just be a guy with
a clown dress as a clown, but like an evil
clown holding balloons. I love just standing around by the

(41:53):
road out in the forest area. I feel like if
I saw that, I would crack up. I would scream.
I would laugh, and I would laugh out of out
of fear, but in the way of like I wouldn't
be able to control myself.

Speaker 2 (42:05):
You'd scream sneeze, Yeah, you would, which, by the way,
people are pissed at us versus talking about screams sneezers.

Speaker 1 (42:11):
Scream sneezers are pissed. Oh really, well, I've been pissed
at you guys for a really long time. And also
we talked about it in a way where you could
see it coming, and we spoke in normal tones. We
didn't all of a sudden scream at the top of
our lungs out of the blue, for seemingly no reason,
So who cares what they think? Anyway? Back to this
murderous priest, go on all right? Twenty three years later,

(42:36):
a woman tells the Toledo Catholic Diocese diocese that she
suffered years of ritual sex abuse by a diocesan I
don't know if I'm pronouncing it right, uh, and religious
order of priests during her childhood, and she named Gerald
Robinson in particular. Motherfucker. Now, these those accudate accusations were

(43:00):
never substantiated because because would she lie, well a why
would she lie? Be it? It's it takes me straight
to the Lincoln Credit Union thing of that that pedophile
rings happen. They are crazy and upsetting and nobody wants
to admit it, but it has happened. They do happen. Definitely.

(43:22):
Whether that is happening because people want to dedicate their
life to Satan, I don't know or think so.

Speaker 2 (43:29):
And if they and if that's what they say, it's
an excuse for bad behavior.

Speaker 1 (43:33):
Right, They're not religious people. No.

Speaker 2 (43:36):
And you know with her with it being unsubstantied absence,
I'm unsubstantiated.

Speaker 1 (43:43):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (43:44):
The intimidation that you must receive when you give have
any allegation of this going on is so intense that
why would you then move forward with trying to substantiate it?

Speaker 1 (43:55):
Yes, exactly, why would you put yourself in the hot water?
You'd be like, you know what, fuck this, I'm moving on.
Yeah now, uh, I will just say this, for even
Keel miss sake, there is a possibility that the reason
that she would make an accusation like that and it
would be unfounded and untrue is because she had mental
health issues. Okay, that's the possibility. In no way am

(44:18):
I accusing her of that. I don't even know who
this person is. There's no name, and that's of course
the first thing that gets thrown back at a person
like that that then negates a victim's story, right, So
I am in no way doing that.

Speaker 2 (44:31):
The other thing is maybe she does have mental health
issues and also isn't lying. Yeah you know what I mean,
Maybe her mental health issues are because she's work through
this thing for her, you know what I mean? Like, yes,
insane people are still fucking saying some things that are
like the truth.

Speaker 1 (44:45):
Yes, their experience, Yeah, you know what I mean. It's
just so frustrating. Yes, and the idea that things don't
get substantiated. Doesn't mean it's that they didn't happen. It's
that the police cannot find proof twenty years later or.

Speaker 2 (44:59):
Don't want to find proof because maybe there's they're all
fucking involved conspiracies to the roof, And my favorite murder
is cracking the fucking case right now.

Speaker 1 (45:10):
Get with it by post postulating, plating, by repeatedly postulating,
vague belief, hard core vague postulating.

Speaker 2 (45:18):
That's that's our tackles, that's the new shirt, that's our hook.

Speaker 1 (45:23):
Hard core vague postulating. Okay, but then, uh, the authorities
in December of the same year, so it was like
six months later, they receive a letter about the woman's
allegations and they reopen the investigation into Sister Margaret AND's death.
So basically, somebody, somebody at the Catholic diocese heard this

(45:46):
woman's story and believed her enough or felt enough about
it to send a letter to the cops to say,
I think this needs to be looked into in some way,
and they did, and that's why that Sister Margaret and
death got the case got reopened. And the name that
they find is father Gerald Robinson. That's the they there's

(46:07):
a there's a man named in this crazy quote unquote
crazy story of ritual pull up priest molestation. And then
when they go to open this twenty year old murder case,
he's the he's the one guy that works there. Yeah,
and he's there. So then they start looking into it
and they start they look at I think, I'm not

(46:31):
sure exactly how they hooked this up, but I love this.
There was a very light indentation on that altarcloth that
got put on her that had a little picture of
the US Capitol, and it was the medallion on a
letter opener that they found on his desk. Oh my god.

(46:51):
And then they took that letter opener and they put
it and compared it to her wounds. It didn't match, right,
it matched. Only did it match. It matched like a
key in a lock. Shit. So then they go and
talk to him, and it's said that when they brought

(47:12):
him in for questioning. Again, this is you know, in
now in two thousand, two thousand and four. I think
he's he's brought in for questioning. They talked to him
a little bit, he denies everything, and when they when
he leaves, the camera catches him. He's whispering to himself

(47:33):
and saying things like panic word, you know, like he's
clearly praying. He's saying like Holy Jesus. And it's little
things that you they can't pick up the whole thing,
but it's I can't want to watch it. That's crazy,
I know. So basically it's a it's a bit of
a Robert dirsty where he doesn't realize he's still being

(47:56):
filmed and he's alone, freaking the fuck out out.

Speaker 2 (48:00):
Now, freak out, freak the fuck out to yourself everyone.

Speaker 1 (48:04):
Yeah, exactly. Just stare straight ahead, try to keep your
eyes open as wide. It's do not blink. Don't blink
no matter what. But I feel like that's the thing
of if you were looking, if you were looked at
for a murder, and uh, you were not guilty of
that murder, and then they brought you back in twenty
years later. There's no need to pray in a panicked

(48:27):
manner after the cops leave. I mean, you might be
upset or whatever, but you don't what are you freaking
out about? Yeah? I demand to know. You want to
tell me. So essentially they figure out that father Robinson
was angry about sister Paul's domineering ways, that they had
worked together for a long time and uh that that

(48:52):
that he basically snapped. Also the fact they were having
Easter services at that chapel, so maybe something's specific happened,
or like the pressure was building or they had to
work together more than often, more than usual.

Speaker 3 (49:05):
I mean.

Speaker 1 (49:08):
To me though, the level of overkilled, Oh my god,
building up so crazy. And it also indicates it's like,
if you're a priest, I mean, I understand that you
would be very familiar with things like inverted crosses to stab.
To stab an inverted cross into an old woman's heart,

(49:31):
uh is pretty fucking extreme. But was it?

Speaker 2 (49:34):
What if he was stabbing her from her head that like,
maybe it wasn't inverted in his mind what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (49:42):
No, it's the shape of an inverted cross. Okay. They
think one of the theories is that he was trying
to make it look like some outside total creep, which
means he thought about it beforehand. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (49:55):
Like that's what's crazy, is like those little aspects of
like that he.

Speaker 1 (49:59):
Means he thought about it beforehand.

Speaker 2 (50:01):
Yeah, And also that doesn't sound like someone who's first
and only it was his first and only killed.

Speaker 1 (50:06):
No, it really doesn't. No, it doesn't. I mean for
things that I've read, it absolutely doesn't. Because if you
kill someone, if you snap and kill someone and stab
them a bunch of times, but don't you don't have
the presence of mind to do shapes, shapes and design
designs and shapes.

Speaker 2 (50:26):
The thing on the forehead, also putting the cloth on
and then taking it off like you would do one
or the other.

Speaker 1 (50:32):
It means something, yes, and it has meaning to you. Yeah,
and it is a ritual to you. Yeah, this priest
like he.

Speaker 2 (50:41):
Can't see her while she's still alive, but he's fine
seeing her and stabbing her when she's dead, you know
what I mean.

Speaker 1 (50:47):
But he it was the cloth was on when he
did the inverted cross.

Speaker 2 (50:51):
Yeah, so she was probably alive during that, and then
she was dead, and so he could take it off
and kill her and stab her more, which is crazy.

Speaker 1 (50:58):
Yes, then he knows he's stabbing a dead body.

Speaker 2 (51:01):
And then a priest twenty two times takes her clothing off.
It's like, oh, you know, like if you just wanted
to kill her, then just do that. But then going
through this like to make it look sexual, and like
people who try to make it look sexual so that
they think that someone else are still doing this fucking
crazy sexual thing.

Speaker 1 (51:18):
Yes, that's right, right, yes, it's there's all there's so
many questions that I have and uh and I'm the
one that looked up the story. Thank god.

Speaker 2 (51:34):
That's no, no, no, I mean these are questions that like
only he can answer, right, you know, these are not
questions that we can.

Speaker 1 (51:41):
Yeah, I mean, because they didn't. He he filed appeals,
he pled not guilty, he filed appeals. The jury convicted
him in like six hours. He was convicted of They
reduced the charge from aggravated murder to just regular murder.
But then he he just was He just was in

(52:01):
jail for the rest of his life and died there.
And they convicted him on my birthday in two thousand
and six. Happy birthday? Was that a good birthday for you?
Let's see? I swear to God like these last I
would say eight birthdays I have almost no memory of.
That's probably good. I mean, it's all the same. When
you get to my age. Girls, guys, when you get

(52:23):
to my age, I'm.

Speaker 2 (52:25):
Taking a p out of you right now because Alis
is like sitting next to just listening to you intently.

Speaker 1 (52:29):
That's my good friend. Yeah, so that's that. Do have
any makeup on you? Look great? I've workface. Priest Gerald Robinson.
Probably not in heaven right now, might be in purgatory.
Good chances in hell most likely. Oh, Jews don't believe
in hell. Oh well, it depends on much jew you ask.

(52:52):
He's he's you know where he is for all the
Jews out there, He's waiting at line in line at
the cheesecake factory and he cannot get.

Speaker 2 (53:01):
That sounds anti semitic. I just can't figure out. How
is it racist?

Speaker 1 (53:05):
No?

Speaker 2 (53:05):
I don't care, No, no, I don't care, no id
it I dream it on anti semitic.

Speaker 1 (53:13):
All right, that was good. That was fucked up. It
was good. That was fucked up. So it was good. Okay, good?

Speaker 2 (53:19):
So all right, since we're going to be at the
Shago Podcast Festival, I wanted to give the big ups
to Chicago by doing Chicago murder.

Speaker 1 (53:30):
No, what is it? The Torso murders? No? Oh wait, no,
that's Ohio.

Speaker 2 (53:35):
That's what I want to apologize for it to Indianapolis.

Speaker 1 (53:38):
Oh they were hurt, I.

Speaker 2 (53:39):
Know, but they were so funny about it that it
makes you want to go there. I know last week
I said I never want to go to Indianapolis, and
everyone was just like, yeah, we get it.

Speaker 1 (53:46):
They were like really cool about it, and oh they
sound cool, I know go to India. Also, to me,
when you said that, you clearly were just pulling a
city name out of your It wasn't like you've been
there and you're all boned.

Speaker 2 (53:57):
No, I mean, realistically, it's Cincinnati. One of every episode,
I just name the.

Speaker 1 (54:02):
City in this the entire country, I know, you just
but always keep it in that area, like that very
contained area in the Midwest that realistically we're never going
to go to. We are so going to go on
a train tour that is Indianapolis. That's kind of the places.
Georgia is kind of me up to Peoria, Illinois, but

(54:24):
then right back down Pittsburgh here on that list, Pittsburgh, PA,
Pittsburgh Parties. Yeah, Pittsburgh's good time, is it? Yeah? Okay, yeah,
we'll be there. Come on. I've done some colleges, I've
stayed at some of the best days in around this country.
I can tell you a thank you so much. I
saw the highway and the byeway, the throughway. Can I

(54:51):
go please. Okay, I'm kidding.

Speaker 2 (54:57):
So this is I don't want to I want to
stop laughing while we say what this is a good idea.

Speaker 1 (55:03):
This is the Gauge Park stabbings.

Speaker 2 (55:07):
Yeah, exactly, stabbings, plural stabbings multiple What city did you say?

Speaker 1 (55:12):
Chicago?

Speaker 2 (55:13):
Okay, so February fourth, twenty sixteen, that's really oh shit,
that's right after we started this podcast.

Speaker 1 (55:21):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (55:23):
Police are called to perform a well being check at
the Martinez family home, which is Engage Park, which is
a quiet, working class neighborhood in the southwest side of Chicago.
No one from the family had been seen since February second,
two days before, and a coworker of one of the
family members had been to the police like what's up.

(55:44):
So the police go and the doors to the Martina's
family house are locked and there's no signs of fourth century.
But once the police get inside, they discover the bodies
of the entire Martinez family. How many people? Well, are
you ready for this? Sone Martinez senior, he's sixty two.
He's found just inside the front door with blood all

(56:06):
over his head and arms, and he had had ten
stab wounds to the chest, Noe's wife, fifty eight year
old Rosario Rosaro Martinez, was found inside the back porch,
stepped forty five times in her head, neck, chest, abdom
and including more than two dozen times in her head
head stab wounds. Fan, I can't fucking deal with these.

(56:30):
Those are like you gotta like stab hard. That's rage, Yeah,
that's crazy rage.

Speaker 1 (56:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (56:37):
Their daughter, thirty two year old Maria Martinez, had died
of four gunshot wounds to the head.

Speaker 1 (56:43):
Fuck.

Speaker 2 (56:44):
And their son Noe Martinez Junior, who's thirty eight, was
found next to his sister. They were both in an
upstairs bedroom. He had sixteen blunt force injuries to his
head and another thirteen stab wounds to add So here's
a real sad part. I mean, that's a bummer. But
the sons of Maria. Alexis Cruz, who was ten, was

(57:07):
discovered in the basement and he had eleven stab wounds
to the torso and sixteen defensive wounds to his arms
and hands. And then thirteen year old Leonardo Cruz is
found in the front porch with eleven stab wounds to
the head, shoulder, and chest. Who So it was believed

(57:27):
that all six were killed within about a three hour
period and the doors of a nightmare. Yeah, the doors
are locked. You know, no one's been heard from since
the second. Oh, the family dog, Poloosa, which is Spanish
for fuzzy, was found alive inside, covered in blood, invisibly shaken.

Speaker 1 (57:45):
Oh that poor dog. I mean, Jesus Christ.

Speaker 2 (57:50):
And this is like a few fucking like less than
a year ago in Chicago, like a nice family. The
police originally thought it was a murder suicide, but the
autopsy proved otherwise, and there were three types of knives
used and none of them were there, so they were like,

(58:11):
clearly this and a gun. Then a month after the
family was killed, they still hadn't found anyone, and people
were like freaking out that there was some crazy killer
on the loose. So the police kind of started looking
into the theory that maybe the killer or killers had
it was like a hit and they had hit the
wrong home because the family had no ties to drugs

(58:31):
and you know, nothing criminal at all. So they were
starting to think that maybe because all the houses looked
similar in that area, that they that these criminals had
hit the wrong home, which is fucking terrifying. Also, the
cops that it's possible they targeted the wrong home for
whatever reasons, they were trying to get into a residence there.
The family was targeted, but whether it was domestic related

(58:53):
or possibly a Mexican cartel remains unclear. They said, let's
see okay with initial theories. Then eventually they started thinking
that the family had been specifically targeted because Maria Martinez,
who they thought was the main target, had been shot
better than stabbed, So they're.

Speaker 1 (59:13):
Like, that's fucking weird.

Speaker 2 (59:15):
So around three months later, while the whole neighborhoods freaking out,
the detectives get a tip that the twenty two year
old nephew of Maria's ex ex husband had shurned out
the day after with noticeable injuries. His name is Diego Eurebae,
and detectives get.

Speaker 1 (59:31):
A DNA sample of him from him. A few weeks later.

Speaker 2 (59:36):
His DNA matched the blood under Maria's fingernails, and phone
records also placed Diego Eurebay in the area when the
murders occurred. Twenty two year old fucking nephew, What the fuck?

Speaker 1 (59:49):
Yeah? Yeah. So on May.

Speaker 2 (59:52):
Nineteenth, twenty sixteen, the Chicago Police announced first degree murder
charges against eureba saying he had killed all six of them,
including the two children, and a robbery that had turned
into a massacre, although it seems like he had wanted
to kill them in addition to rob them.

Speaker 1 (01:00:08):
Yeah, you don't know. That's you don't kill six people.
You don't kill two fucking children, I know, because it's
like a robbery gone wrong.

Speaker 2 (01:00:16):
No and his girlfriend, Jeffeth Ramos, who was nineteen, was
also charged. So it seems like Martinez, who was close
to the boys and close to the family, they let
him into the house because they knew him and he
was there a lot, and he had gotten into an

(01:00:36):
argument with Maria upstairs and had shot her first, and
then her brother Noie Junior goes upstairs after hearing the shots,
and he beats him to douth with death with the gun.
Then the mom Rosarah Martinez, goes upstairs. She gets killed next,

(01:00:58):
and then he found the boys and he made them
get cash, an xbox, and other valuables from various rooms
in the house. After he had killed these fucking fa
their family, and then he took the boys to the
Alexis to the basement, stabs him to death and murders
the other boy while he begs for his life.

Speaker 1 (01:01:18):
He's a fucking animal. Yeah, and he's admitting, like they
admitted to all of this. Oh my god.

Speaker 2 (01:01:24):
And then he waits for the grandfather to get home
and kills him on the porch. So they the rebaan
Ramos made off with an xbox, about five hundred and
fifty in cash and jewelry, and then they pawned for
about one hundred fifty bucks and they said it was
because they needed money for milk and diapers for their son,

(01:01:46):
as well as a car. And so she's not she
they don't think she actually killed anyone, but they think
she was a quote active participant.

Speaker 1 (01:01:55):
So she was there like fucking cheering him off, holding
people down.

Speaker 2 (01:02:00):
Yeah, probably, but they both confess. They're both charged with
first degree murder held without bail. But so they said
they needed it for money. But apparently there was tension
between Uribe and Maria Martinez because when Maria divorced to
Reba's uncle, he had a quote lot of anger over
how she had treated him. But another family member said

(01:02:23):
that the uncle was super controlling of Maria and didn't
allow her to take showers, put on makeup, or leave
the house without his permission. So he hates her, but
meanwhile she's in this crazy controlling relationship and finally gets
out of it. So that yeah, they're they're being charged
with first degree murder. All the victims are going to
be buried in Mexico. The Mexican Consulate of Chicago is

(01:02:45):
assisting and moving the bodies back to Mexico. That's fucking
Chicago in February, and I'd never heard of it.

Speaker 1 (01:02:52):
I've never heard of that. That's huge. Also, it's fascinating.
You kill six people of your family and you have
the foresight to like lock the door when you leave,
So it like that tiny detail is so confusing that
that they would assume all these weird things. Oh my god.

Speaker 2 (01:03:15):
But the word do you tell to me too, is
that that he waited for the grandfather to come home
because he wanted there to be a couple of days
in between the bodies being found, and he knew that
if he just laughed about killing that grandfather, who was
probably home every night, yeah, then he would come home
to these bodies and it would be a quicker fucking discovery.

Speaker 1 (01:03:37):
I mean, so he waits for him, kills him, and
locks the doors. Also, what brand of psycho are you
when you can kill all those people? Like I mean,
it's just it's upsetting to hear about it much less
he did it and then like took a break and
then did a little bit more so that he could

(01:03:58):
fucking have what Yeah, five hundred dollars.

Speaker 2 (01:04:01):
It doesn't make it clearly, isn't about that, because it
doesn't make any sense, Like you can rob the family
without murdering them all. But I think he went over
there with the intention of killing them so he could
rob them, which if he kills her first by shooting
her and then you would think he would stab her
because he's so angry with her, and then shoot the others.

Speaker 1 (01:04:22):
Wait, did they say anything about drugs? There was no
drugs involved. What the neither of the him, neither of
them had a record.

Speaker 2 (01:04:29):
The girlfriend had been arrested once for shoplifting or something
like minor shoplifting. Wow, But it's just yeah, it's like
you don't even you don't even rob strangers. You rob
these two kids that you used to go overund play
video games with and be and befriended that were younger
than you, and you can kill them Like that's psychopath

(01:04:52):
that's to me. Yeah, it's like it's just these crazy
circumstances that you become this or are always a psychopath
and nobody knows about it.

Speaker 1 (01:05:01):
Yes, exactly. That family is like, come on in. Oh
it's cousin Ricky. What the fuck his name is? Yeah,
oh yeah, we're gonna do good things. We need a
good things moment. Really, we need like a good Themes
theme song so we can both lay down for a minute.

(01:05:29):
I guess my good thing is being yelled outside. Well.
Being in San Francisco was so much fun. Wait did
it rain while you were up there?

Speaker 4 (01:05:35):
No?

Speaker 2 (01:05:35):
It was gorg It was actually too hot. I'm hilarious.
It was like ninety something.

Speaker 1 (01:05:41):
Oh shit, but people must have been naked when when
the sun comes out and it's like seventy eight and
so just go. People are like my shorts, Like it's
the funniest thing in the world.

Speaker 2 (01:05:51):
The first thing we did was get Falaffels from Truly
Mediterranean and sit in what's that part called.

Speaker 1 (01:05:58):
The Is it the one that's up near the hate Yeah? Yeah, no,
not Golden Gate Park anyways, No, no, no, but there's
a part there's a small park that's like if you
go down towards the lower hate. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:06:11):
It was just full of like college kids and not
no clothes and like everyone was getting high and it
was just.

Speaker 1 (01:06:18):
Like super sweet. Yeah, yeah, so fun.

Speaker 2 (01:06:21):
So I think that the highlight of my week was that.
I think that was my first time like getting yelled
at by a stranger about the podcast.

Speaker 1 (01:06:28):
That's the best. Yeah, it was really nice out a car.
I know, thank you to whoever that was. What was?
How about your the best moment of your week, Karen?
I mean I have to say the going to watch
Never Not Funny Live was awesome because those guys are
so hilarious and it was and Eadie mcclug was there.

(01:06:49):
She was just there to watch the show. She's legendary
from you maate. Nowhere's the school secretary from Ferris Bueller's
Day Off. I just dude, God, she's so cute. She's
been in over a thousand movies. They were looking at
her IMDb and talking about and so she yes, and
she got up to walk to the stage because they
heard she was there, and then they invited her up

(01:07:11):
to say hi, and she couldn't see because she was
up in the back and it was super dark. So
I went and got grabbed her hands and walked her up,
and that's when Jimmy gave us the show. Did he
give us a shadow or just say something about it? No,
he doesn't. You know, he's like he talks like he's
you know, like he's always talks like he's a professional
radio man. So he actually was like Karen Gilgarat from

(01:07:32):
my favorite verd podcast, and then he started pretending he
was mad about it, riffing on Neo. It was really awesome.
That's so sweet. Yeah, that was good. But it also
made me happy because like after a long day of work,
sometimes going to a comedy show is like the best
thing in the world instead of just going home and
be like I'm tired, I'm going to try to watch
some show that I will fall asleep no matter what
in five minutes, going and watching my friends be hilarious

(01:07:57):
and say the best things and riff shit it like
it's it's life affirmings.

Speaker 2 (01:08:01):
Plus I know that you're a quick makeup in the
car person, and I feel like sometimes being forced to
put makeup on makes you feel better, you know what
I mean? Yes, Like that's what I do. And then
like when I go work at cafes during the day. Now,
I make myself like I have a eyelash extensions. I
make myself put on makeup because I will immediately have
a better day, like feel better about myself.

Speaker 1 (01:08:21):
Yes, there was for like five years when I was
in my what I like to call now the hermit phase,
and which is infuriating because anytime I did a podcast
or anything, I would remember when I got there. Oh,
I'm they're gonna make me take a fucking picture at that.
I always forgot. Yeah, for a long time, I just wouldn't.
I'd be like, what for who cares? Like Whome's gonna
see me? It doesn't matter. Yeah, and uh and then

(01:08:44):
just recently, yeah, just to just to go and be
somewhere and just kind of feel like I'm out and
I'm in the world and I'm of the world. Putting
on some fucking a nice liquid eyeliner.

Speaker 2 (01:08:55):
And a nice rosy like like tint lip tint, a
lip tint that will day for a couple hours.

Speaker 1 (01:09:01):
Yeah, keep you young and fresh looking. Yeah. Yeah, it's
a good. Uh, Glossier, can we get another ad please, Glossier?
How about you represent us as we represent you? Oh
god damn day long chilling our fucking chilling, chilling, chilling
it chilling chilling mind in our business. Thanks for listening

(01:09:22):
to my favorite murder. We love you for loving murder
like we do. You guys are the best. Thank you murderings.
Thank you for your support, and uh, stay sexy, don't
get murdered.

Speaker 2 (01:09:35):
Elvis, you want cookie, cookie, Want cookie? Elvis, you want
a cookie cookie? Come on, cookie boy, Elvis. Mary Oh,
he's fucking like pay me bitches.

Speaker 1 (01:09:48):
Bye