39 - Kind of Loco

This week on My Favorite Murder, Karen and Georgia have their protective eyewear on to talk about Charles Albright, the Texas Eyeball Killer. Then they tackle the notorious and tall Co-ed Killer, Ed Kemper.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:15):
Are you ready to make some magic? Do you know magic?

Speaker 2 (00:21):
Yeah, I know up close magic. I can't do distance
magic though. Sorry I loove Welcome to my Favorite Murderer.
I'm Karen Kilgareth, I'm Georgia hard Stark, and together we're.

Speaker 1 (00:35):
Karen, Yes, playing a las. Yes. How's it going? Hey
it's good. Here are you go?

Speaker 2 (00:45):
We're we're at a different speed this week. Somebody wrote
us on Twitter and said that on the last episode
we seemed hysterical, which I agree. I think we were
slightly hysterical. We were just like we were just like
ramped up one notch. Yeah, I was just it was
like powering through it, like I need to get through this.

Speaker 1 (01:06):
But it was fun.

Speaker 2 (01:07):
We had a great time. That's all the matters. Yeah,
we enjoyed ourselves.

Speaker 3 (01:11):
I mean, who wants to roll boring pod like murder
comedy podcast?

Speaker 1 (01:16):
I mean yeah, I don't think. I don't think most people.

Speaker 3 (01:18):
If you've come here for a narrative true crime podcast,
then just add adderall and that's what you fucking have.
It's like, it's like that, it's similar. Yeah, we're actually
on physician's grade cocaine. Now, that's that's the secret.

Speaker 1 (01:37):
To this poda.

Speaker 3 (01:37):
But I wonder what that's like. It's pretty great if
you had a chance. Never mind, if.

Speaker 1 (01:43):
I could do a drug again. No, but like but
like if someone was.

Speaker 3 (01:46):
Like, this is this physician's grade, like government, whatever the
fuck drug?

Speaker 1 (01:52):
Would you do it? Which drug? Like coke? Let's say, sure,
well I can't.

Speaker 2 (01:56):
You mean like if if I didn't have any of
my I of all kinds of neurological disorders, because I
did all that, don't kids, it's not worth it. It's
totally only because of that. You wouldn't have the theory.
They can't, you know, having epilepsy or seizure disorder. They
don't know why exactly unless they look at your brain,
like dropped on your head close up.

Speaker 1 (02:18):
I was dropped shook my head up. I didn't tell
you that. I think you probably did. I did.

Speaker 2 (02:22):
My mom tripped over my high chair when I was
six months old. I don't think I knew this. Yeah,
and she broke her arm. We both fell and I
hit my head and had to get stitches. I still
have a tiny, tiny scar. But I'm totally the serial killer,
as we have discussed in this podcast, is because I
had that.

Speaker 3 (02:39):
I'm gonna have to kill you before you kill me. Okay,
that makes sense, right, I think that'd be a great
way to go.

Speaker 1 (02:44):
Just do it. Creep up behind me as a favor.
Oh yeah, but no stabbing, slicing, please, Julian meet to dead.
I know you love cooking. I love cooking. I'm going
to Julian you and it lights put you in a
queens in art. I'm the serve you.

Speaker 3 (03:05):
Yeah, uh yeah. Don't do drugs. You guys, don't do drugs.
We did them for you. We can come back and
tell you. Yep, it's not what it's cut out to be.

Speaker 2 (03:13):
It's like how my dad used to say he would
never get cable. We lived way out in the country,
so we only have four channels, and he wouldn't get cable.

Speaker 1 (03:19):
He'd go, hey, we have that in the firehouse. It's
no good. You'd like. Let us try. We'll decide if
we like it or not decided for you.

Speaker 3 (03:26):
Yeah, it's protected you guys from so much, and yet
and yet it didn't really are Oh sorry, hit the
fucking Oh wait, go ahead, what was I gonna Yeah,
don't do drugs.

Speaker 1 (03:39):
I know we're gonna get some email of some mommy
like I listen with my twelve year old nurlin and
you're you're telling her to do drugs.

Speaker 3 (03:44):
Oh guess what, mom, don't listen with your twelve year old.
I won't even have it. I listen with my twelve
year old. This is a comedy murder podcast. It is
highly inappropriate that anybody would be listening at that point.

Speaker 1 (03:59):
That's how I knew my mommy. Yes, like, don't come
at us, mommy.

Speaker 2 (04:02):
And then like that night she goes to bed and
then it looks in the doorway and there's a glint
of silver.

Speaker 1 (04:07):
Who's that one of you? Up? Yeah, I'm a mommy.

Speaker 3 (04:10):
Hi on angel desks, good like government quality angel.

Speaker 1 (04:15):
Desks, because we would.

Speaker 2 (04:16):
You wouldn't let us warn your children off of Angel
You stop, you press stop.

Speaker 3 (04:20):
At the point we were talking about doing drugs and
didn't listen to the rest of the podcast where we said.

Speaker 1 (04:23):
We said don't drugs under any circumstances ever do No,
I mean we did, we did them and look at
us now we're fucking yead.

Speaker 2 (04:30):
I look like I'm about sixty two. Yeah, unsuccessful, but
button nos. I just had a couple thank yous for
from the Twitter page. Oh I love it because people
send us amazing great stuff.

Speaker 1 (04:44):
Best. Can I do some of Instagram? Then sure, you're
Twitter and I'm Instagram. Nope, only only Twitter? You absolutely can?

Speaker 3 (04:56):
We love it.

Speaker 2 (04:57):
We just had Courtney's sent us pictures her. She didn't
name the person in the picture with her, but it
was a picture of the two of them they had
carved pumpkin.

Speaker 1 (05:05):
I have it, and do you have the name of
the girl?

Speaker 3 (05:07):
Because they both posted it, and I was like, I'm
going to give them both a shout out because what this.

Speaker 1 (05:11):
Is one Instagram area and I've overstepped. No, but they
tweeted it. Then you retweet it. Yes, but there's no names.

Speaker 2 (05:17):
Okay, Well, anyway they carved, stay sexy, don't get murdered
and you're in a cult. Call your dad into pumpkins,
which must have taken hours.

Speaker 1 (05:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (05:26):
Yeah, I can't carve a fucking pumpkin like that. Every
time I try to cover a pumpkin, it's disappointing.

Speaker 1 (05:31):
And you cut your hand and you get that boop
in it and halfway through you're like, what, I don't
give a ship And then you just eat these pumpkin
seeds and triangle for an eye.

Speaker 2 (05:38):
Fine, you know what. He's cyclops, you know what? One
triangle eye and one too boom done? Can I have
mye other glass of wine?

Speaker 1 (05:46):
Please? And I don't want to eat these fucking disgusting
pump you know.

Speaker 2 (05:49):
Oh, let's cook them up. No, I'm not in second grade.
I'm this is falling for pumpkin seeds ever mentioned an hour?
But I don't. Okay, but they're sweet, baby angel. It
was Courtney at coffin Bugs. Is her Twitter hands?

Speaker 1 (06:03):
Okay? Well?

Speaker 3 (06:03):
Then the other girl is wandering Lamb on Instagram.

Speaker 1 (06:07):
Sweet.

Speaker 3 (06:07):
It could be the same girl, right might very well,
but either way they're friends and I think they're both
tagged in the Instagram.

Speaker 2 (06:13):
Okay, good If her name is on Twitter coffin Bugs
and then on Instagram Wandering Lamb, that girl contains.

Speaker 1 (06:19):
Multitudes absolitively, God bless her soul.

Speaker 2 (06:23):
But then David, whose Twitter handle is Hello Dabwood, which
is kind of like Dag would with but with a beism,
boy made an animate a gift of us. Driving a car,
I'm driving, You've got Elvis on your lap. There's a
lightning storm in this car, and then when the lightning
hits there's a murderer in the back seat.

Speaker 3 (06:43):
But it is so charming and well done and like adorable, beautiful.
You show a tune you got here because I didn't know,
because I don't because Twitter overwhelms me, and like, it's.

Speaker 1 (06:52):
The best thing I've ever seen, isn't it the best?

Speaker 2 (06:54):
And he sent it to us and it said Karen
and George about to go missing as fuck? And then
I retweeted it and said as if, which seemed afterwards
I thought that might be too argumentative, But David, we
love it so much.

Speaker 3 (07:06):
I'll put it up on My Favorite Murder. There's a
Facebook page, not the group, but there's a page.

Speaker 1 (07:11):
I'll put it up there.

Speaker 3 (07:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (07:12):
This is our new thing, right, the Facebook page where
we basically control the content. You get to go look
at it, interact, do all that stuff. But it's different
than the Facebook group. Yeah yeah, just like interacting all
kinds of shits going on you there.

Speaker 1 (07:28):
Yeah. I think Instagram for me.

Speaker 3 (07:30):
I think that if you want to see the cool
shit that people make for our show, which is a
fucking ton of stuff, the Instagram dot com slash my
Favorite Murder or just my favoritemr Instagram. I just I'm
constantly posting stuff on that because of other people's stuff.

Speaker 1 (07:44):
Yeah, shill, but it's very cool. It's just it's crazy
and fun and fun. And so we're so talented and.

Speaker 2 (07:51):
I love all those artists that are like I was
listening to you and I started sketching this thing and
then it turns into this beautiful.

Speaker 3 (07:57):
Yeah, and then people are like, I want this as
a shit, and then they go make money.

Speaker 1 (08:01):
I'm like, go make fucking money.

Speaker 3 (08:03):
I know.

Speaker 2 (08:03):
It's so cool. Another murdery knows by it. I'm so
happy for them. Just one last one, which was Alison
her Twitter handles turbot Alley, and she had been listening
to an old episode and reminded everybody, please clean out
your lint trap in your dress please. And it makes
me happy that she tweeted it, but I want to
remind people as well.

Speaker 1 (08:24):
I worry about your.

Speaker 3 (08:25):
Homes burning down a lot because that's my personal neurosis.

Speaker 1 (08:29):
Well, your father was.

Speaker 2 (08:32):
A spierman, an equally neurotic fireman, who would yell at
us if there was even a hint of lint in
the lint trap, So.

Speaker 1 (08:39):
I shouldn't say it to you. That reminds me, yes,
that there is this thing on Alice Alyssa. Is that
who this she is?

Speaker 3 (08:46):
It might be the same girl Alyssa on our Facebook
group made something called Karen Georgia and Karen's Rules for
how to stay sexy and not get murdered or not
be a murderer or murder suspect.

Speaker 1 (09:00):
Her name is Joanna Groom. I don't know.

Speaker 3 (09:02):
I think it's her website. Oh, but there's a couple
of This is a running list that I will continue
to add to as G and K continue to preach.
Number one, if you came here to learn, you're in
the wrong place, that's right. Number two, Guys, if you
ever find something, say something, or or you look fucking suspicious,
your parents won't get mad at you for being on
someone's land if you find a skull. Number three, if

(09:23):
you find a body, you should tell someone, that's true.
Number four guys, do not sell your government secrets. And
it goes on and on for like fucking It's not like,
oh my god, it's like one hundred and twenty nine
of this.

Speaker 1 (09:34):
Jesus Christ. I want to give out the the website,
but I don't know what it is. Well, it's on
the Facebook page, right, I'll put it on the Facebook page.
Yeah cool, so it's my hilarious MFM podcast is the
facebook page. Thank you Joanna for keeping that list. It's
fucking great. I love it. That's hilarious. What do you got?
What corner do you have? I have?

Speaker 3 (09:54):
Oh my god, I got recognized corner, oh, which is
always fun.

Speaker 1 (09:58):
This is separate from San Francis.

Speaker 3 (10:00):
Go. Yeah, but the girl messaged me on Instagram that
it was her. Oh nice, and it was like her
she had just gotten engaged and she saw me and
she was so excited.

Speaker 1 (10:08):
Oh I know, grat it's a good omen. Yeah, seeing
me or getting engaged, her seeing you right when she
got engaged. Yeah, that's exciting. That move. She won't get
murdered by her future husband. Well you never know. You
don't ever know. Oh so I was walking out of
a juice place in Los Felis.

Speaker 3 (10:25):
Girl just goes my favorite murder, which I totally get
because like you see someone, you're like, I just have
to say the thing that I know you from immediately,
because I didn't stop and like say it, you know, right,
And I was like yeah, like held the juices over
my head in Triumph and I was like thank you
because it was the first time I got recognized, like
in my neighborhood, you know, and yeah, that's a crazy
cool hipster girl, like we all are around here, and

(10:47):
I love that.

Speaker 2 (10:48):
Well, I have one. April and I were eating in
the diner res etat April Richard sent everyone's favorite adorable
from Go Bayside podcast and stand up comedy, and you
were eating in a diner in a diner as we do,
and a girl walked by outside and then walked in,
pulled out her earbuds and just said, I just want

(11:09):
to let you know I love your podcast.

Speaker 1 (11:12):
I think she may have said, I'm listening to it
right now. Oh my god.

Speaker 3 (11:15):
That's always been like a dream of walking by someone
who's podcast I'm listening to it wouldn be.

Speaker 2 (11:18):
The weirdest feeling in the world. But I might be
just saying that because that would be a really good
part of a story. I feel like she did.

Speaker 1 (11:26):
Let's go it.

Speaker 2 (11:26):
But anyway, that was kind of exciting, and then she
left and April goes.

Speaker 1 (11:30):
This is like a hard day's night. I was like,
it's really not. It's exactly like that.

Speaker 3 (11:37):
It's totally just getting chased through the street by one
person who politely came.

Speaker 1 (11:41):
Into quietly, and then immediately left as we sat at
a table eating salad. Fun times. Thanks for your support
and love you guys. It really means a lot to us.

Speaker 3 (11:50):
This is weird and fun and we love it and
oh my god, I can't believe it. It was freak
out corner. Yeah, there's so many corners. There's like too
many core. I don't think that it equals the actual room.
No corners, it's a mansion of corners.

Speaker 1 (12:07):
Should we do a fucking T shirt corner? Sure?

Speaker 2 (12:11):
Hey, George's T shirt corner? George sad music is gonna
start playing.

Speaker 3 (12:16):
No, it's just gonna be like, like, what's a good
anxious song of like all the anxiety of flight of
the bumblebee? Yes, holy shit, and we can get clearance
on it too. Yeah, because one hundred years older? Should
I do this in the background? Will you yes?

Speaker 1 (12:32):
Would you mind? So the T shirts keep on. The
T shirts are non shopify, Okay, you can get the
Yeah that's too hard. It was good though. Yeah, I couldn't.
I couldn't concentrate.

Speaker 3 (12:46):
The T shirts are on my favorite murder shirts dot com. Now, okay,
they're also you know, they're everywhere they're in. They're everywhere
and nowhere. But for now, go back to my favorite
murder shirts. There's them reno shirt.

Speaker 1 (13:01):
And hoodies and mugs and posters, and there's all the
fucking you're gonna cult call your dad shirt cool.

Speaker 2 (13:08):
I was wrong to talk about the toe bag though,
right because I come back.

Speaker 1 (13:11):
It's oh toe bags back.

Speaker 3 (13:13):
So what I really like about this shopify store that
my favorite Murder shirts dot Com is that they have
black toe bags cool. And the place we were using
before it didn't have black ones and it just didn't
look as cool. Oh great, So now all of the
like quotes and all the designs are on really cool
black like awesome book toe bags, which I love. And
that's the Shopify website my Favorite Murder Shirts dot Com.

Speaker 1 (13:34):
Oh, it's its own.

Speaker 3 (13:36):
Did you want to talk about last week when I
had to drop in the correctness?

Speaker 1 (13:41):
What if I did it again? Because it's now changed again?
Do it?

Speaker 2 (13:44):
Please help us? My favorite mode. So I'm listening to
my own podcast quality control man. I mean, we can
say that, or we could call it ego non control whatever,
quality control. I enjoy listening back because when we do
it oftentimes it's just a poor and then I go, oh,
we did say that's funny? Yeah, or or do the
thing where you picture someone like that you like listening

(14:05):
to the podcast, this is what I sound like. That's
when I stop listening, because then I'm like, oh, no.

Speaker 3 (14:10):
You know what I keep doing is what the fuck
is round with my laugh? Next week, Georgia, control your laugh.
It's like goofy and fucking don't you dare. The worst
thing in the world you could do is change or
control your laugh.

Speaker 2 (14:23):
I learned that in stand up comedy because in comedy
standing in the back, you're always trying to get people
to know you're laughing at their joke. But if you
try to have, like say a feminine laugh or whatever,
just be just in that one arena. Let yourself be
authentic and don't worry about what people think, because it's
the most natural response that you can have. Yeah, and

(14:45):
you should let it come out, even if it's a big,
snorting goose laugh.

Speaker 1 (14:50):
Let rich in that fucking vame. Can I tell you
I meant something to you?

Speaker 3 (14:56):
This is gonna get sad? Yeah, okay, I'm a screamsneak.
I didn't know. I didn't fucking know. It did until
this weekend. In past episodes, if you're fucking if you're new, Hi, Hi, welcome.
We've talked about scream sneezers before.

Speaker 1 (15:12):
Yeah, that's a real problem with them. I do too,
but apparently it overcame you. No, I do it all
the time, and I never realized it. And I asked
Vince and he was, I'm like, am I a scream
sneezer because you knows we've talked about it, and he
was like, no, you like and I.

Speaker 2 (15:30):
Vince the best husband in the world, such as sweet angel,
so I wouldn't call it screaming.

Speaker 1 (15:34):
It's the same thing when I asked, do I snore? Oh?

Speaker 3 (15:36):
No, you you're cute, you know, like, Oh I wouldn't
I saw it. Yes, Yeah, I scream sneeze.

Speaker 2 (15:44):
I mean, listen as long as it's okay that I
get mad. Oh, I don't care, because scream seat sneezing
legitimately scares me terrifying.

Speaker 1 (15:53):
My mom does it too.

Speaker 2 (15:54):
Yeah, Like I had a roommate that all of a
sudden it would just be like the weirdest thing in
the world that you can ever be prepared for.

Speaker 3 (16:01):
No, all right, well, maybe I just maybe maybe we
now know that screams sneezers don't know that they're screams sneezing.

Speaker 2 (16:06):
It's true, and also that they can't control it. There
we did get a tweet from somebody who was like,
some people can't control it, and she was.

Speaker 1 (16:12):
Clearly very hurt.

Speaker 2 (16:13):
I'm sorry if you were hurt. I'm a person of
very strong opinions, but I also go back on those opinions.

Speaker 1 (16:18):
Yeah, oftentimes it's fun. It's fun to have it's.

Speaker 3 (16:20):
Fun to be very adamant about things that you really
don't give a shit about on Yeah. Really, I mean
it's like, by way of a podcast, we're trying to
make the time go by before we die. Entertainment people,
this is what it's about.

Speaker 1 (16:31):
This is it?

Speaker 2 (16:34):
Oh, live shows still don't have Bellhouse. The Bellhouse thing
is going to get solved soon. There's people that are
going out in the minds crazy. Stop emailing the Bellhouse.
The Bellhouse can't do anything. They're making a deal, so
we have to wait until the deal is made. It's
very business y. It's not under our control. It's not

(16:54):
like we're choosing to make you wait. No, So we
appreciate your patients. We also understand your lack of patience.
We know the feeling. It's a small venue, so we're
not trying to mess with you.

Speaker 3 (17:06):
Yeah, And like the small venue thing is that we
like book these things before we knew that, like people
listen to the podcast.

Speaker 2 (17:11):
We booked this at the beginning of the summer when
we thought we were the little podcast that.

Speaker 1 (17:15):
Yeah, we were like three hundred seats. How are we
going to feel that? And now we just fucking sold
out the Chicago Podcast Festival. Yeah, so we don't know
what we're doing. And there's the remnants of that, and
there's going to be a bigger If you can't get
to the Bellhouse Brooklyn show on December eleventh, we will
We're back. I'm going to be back with a big
very soon. Yeah, and we will high maybe high five
of you, Yes, exactly, and.

Speaker 3 (17:35):
We will literally do Karen, I don't know of other stuff,
stream sneeze right in your face.

Speaker 1 (17:42):
You whatever you need. I think that's it. You want
that to be it?

Speaker 3 (17:47):
No?

Speaker 1 (17:47):
No, no, no, I'm kidding. You have something, not nothing. No,
I have nothing. I don't think I have anything either.

Speaker 2 (17:53):
Oh you know what I was going to say, which
we don't do this that often when it's like an
off topic thing. But I just want want to say
our friends Pat Walsh and Joe DeRosa have a podcast
called We'll See You in Hell that I listen to
all the time and never plug or give a shout
out to me.

Speaker 1 (18:09):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (18:11):
It's really funny if you like two dudes that fight
about like movies.

Speaker 1 (18:15):
Those are the two most there.

Speaker 3 (18:17):
If you like people who will argue anything even you know,
like either side those dudes. I can't believe they're friends.
I know, it's great you watch their friendship kind of
deteriorate and build back up every episode, but they're both
softies so that they like then feel bad. They're fucking hilarious,
both of them.

Speaker 2 (18:33):
And it's fun because if you can either watch the
movie along with them. In the beginning, they used to
watch the movie and discuss it as it went, and
then you could watch it along with them.

Speaker 1 (18:42):
Yeah, it's always like a like a B horror movie. Right.

Speaker 3 (18:45):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (18:45):
Yeah, I think they've they kind of opened it up,
so it's kind of like whatever movies they want now,
but now they just kind of discuss them. But anyway,
it's totally worth your time if you are into horror movies,
regular movies or taking our recommendation. And they're both fucking hilarious,
hilarious comedy writers people friends.

Speaker 1 (19:05):
We like them. Yeah, comedians, good stuff. They've never murdered
anyone as far as we know.

Speaker 2 (19:10):
I just had that realization I was listening to their
podcast over the weekend. I was like, I genuinely like this.
I should at least say that that's really nice of you.

Speaker 3 (19:17):
I think that we should recommend a Friends podcast every episode.

Speaker 2 (19:20):
Yeah it might be good, or just things that we
actually are watching, like Pole Dark, like what remember?

Speaker 1 (19:26):
So I said to Georgia.

Speaker 2 (19:28):
A lot of people have asked us, are we going
to talk about Amanda Knox special, which you wrote about
right for Elle Magazine?

Speaker 1 (19:35):
Yeah? Online.

Speaker 2 (19:36):
So if you haven't read Georgia's column about it for
Elle Magazine, look that up, because Georgia does her whole summation.
I didn't watch it because Georgia told me she didn't
like it, and so I was like, well, if she
didn't like it, I'm.

Speaker 1 (19:50):
Not gonna lie. Yeah, I don't think you needed to.

Speaker 2 (19:53):
And I'm not interested in that case because it's a
one off. Did she didn't?

Speaker 3 (19:58):
She?

Speaker 1 (19:59):
Pretty girl?

Speaker 2 (20:00):
There's all kinds of elements that I don't enjoy.

Speaker 3 (20:04):
Well, you know what the biggest element is is that
the victim really has nothing to do with the whole story,
and yeah, they're completely forgotten.

Speaker 1 (20:10):
Yeah. I don't like her foot.

Speaker 3 (20:12):
Her crime scene photo with her foot sticking out of
the blanket got more airtime than her face did.

Speaker 2 (20:19):
And it's just like, I just don't like those stories, right, Yeah,
and feel probably feels unsatisfying.

Speaker 3 (20:26):
Yeah, And I mean, even though it sucks the Jeavone
Ramsey story, at least it's called the Javanne Ramsey, it's
not called the Patsy and John Ramsey story. It's like
about her, yeah, but this is about it's called a
Man of Knox, you know.

Speaker 1 (20:37):
Yeah, I don't like that. Yeah, And so George just
wrote back.

Speaker 2 (20:41):
I texted and said, do you want me to watch
it so we can have a discussion about it. And
Georgia basically said I didn't like it. And then I'm like, well,
if you didn't like it, I'm not gonna like it,
and immediately tried to get out of my homework.

Speaker 3 (20:50):
And then I said go ahead, no, no, go ahead, I said,
just watch a British procedural, and so I immediately downloaded
one and two of Pole Dark.

Speaker 1 (21:00):
If you lo L E p O L d A
r K. That's his last name, Ross pol Dark.

Speaker 2 (21:07):
If you like bodice rippers combined with a mining the
politics of living in a mining town.

Speaker 1 (21:14):
Oh that's my that's my favorite topic. I mean, who
wouldn't right there on the coast of England.

Speaker 2 (21:19):
Yeah, get that's what I majored in. Get in there,
go to college. Someone's going to write and be like
they're in Wales or whatever. I don't fucking know. It
was one big green mountain and I loved it. I
watched every episode.

Speaker 3 (21:30):
Oh I like that. I'm never gonna watch it.

Speaker 1 (21:33):
Perfect.

Speaker 3 (21:34):
Congratulations, I'm shoey murder time. Let's murder it up. I'm
excited about mine. Mine is usually three or four pages. Yeah,
this one's six. I'm not going to go I'm not
going to take up all the time. But there's just
so much information.

Speaker 1 (21:50):
Do you want to jump right in? Yeah? Can I
go first? Do it? I think I'm first this time? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (21:53):
All right, and it's very important whether or not, yes,
we know who's otherwise would just get so much hate mail.

Speaker 1 (21:59):
Yeah, it's not true either. All right, Karen, I mentioned
it last week. Are you ready for the Texas Eyeball Killer?

Speaker 3 (22:10):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (22:10):
That's right? Oh, yes I am. Are you sure? I
really am? Okay, I've got my protective eyewear on. Yeah,
if people have.

Speaker 3 (22:18):
I was thinking about how a lot of people have
eyeball like issues issues.

Speaker 1 (22:22):
Yeah, they're gross. The eyeballs are gross, and attacking eyeballs
are gross. Attacking eyeballs is fucked. Yeah, like what is
wrong with you? Yeah? I don't worry.

Speaker 3 (22:30):
I don't get too into like the gory eyeball details.
But there's a couple of things. And he's called the
fucking Texas eyeball Killer.

Speaker 2 (22:36):
So he did some some stuff that we need to
really look into. Yes, okay, are you ready for it?
I think I am.

Speaker 1 (22:42):
Here we go. So.

Speaker 3 (22:43):
On December thirteenth, nineteen ninety in Oak in the Oak
Cliff neighborhood of Dallas, Texas, the body of Mary Lou
Pratt was found. She was a thirty three year old
well known prostitute in the area. I don't know what
well known means. It's like that everyone hangouts with her. Yeah,
a sex worker.

Speaker 1 (23:02):
I think we're supposed to say, Yeah, sex worker.

Speaker 3 (23:06):
She was last seen in mid December on a Dallas
street corner trying to pick up clients, and her body
was found at four to twenty in the morning on
a Dallas street, just on a street, laying face up,
filing a bron T shirt on. I saw the crime
scene photo. I'm sure it was pulled up. I mean, yeah,
it's very bad news. She'd been shot in the back

(23:28):
of the head with a forty four caliber gun. So
the medical examiner said that the killer had removed both
of her eyes and taken them with him.

Speaker 1 (23:39):
Oh, she hadn't have done that.

Speaker 3 (23:42):
Yeah, yeah, let's see here, And it was they were
removed post mortem with such precision that there was no
damage to the upper or lower lid. And then it
goes on to explain like the intricacies of removing an
eyeball and all did like things which I won't get into,
but it's like complete, It's not like bluck, you don't pluck.

Speaker 2 (24:04):
No, no, my mom used to work in the ophthalmology.
God no, So I have not in any way.

Speaker 1 (24:11):
Say because of that I know anything about removing us
that you do it all the time. Then, but I
think I've seen that poster of the medical post more
than I would.

Speaker 3 (24:22):
Have liked to write, like what connects this to that? Yeah,
well he did that all without like fucking any of
that up. That's okay, So clearly he has an understanding
of medical.

Speaker 1 (24:30):
This is it's very jack the rippery, Yes it's But.

Speaker 3 (24:33):
In nineteen ninety yeah, she also had blunt force injuries.
But the cause of death was a gunshot one. So
then in February and February tenth, nineteen ninety one, so
just a couple months later, in South Dallas, outside the
semi city limits, Susan Peterson, who is also a sex worker,
was found dead. The reason I said prostitute is they

(24:54):
they worked on the street. It was like not a
great neighborhood just in general for money. No one had money,
so they worked on the street. So they weren't, you know,
sex workers, and that they were a girl. I think
that's the whole point, I know, But I just want
everyone to understand the like the what they were doing,
which was different than.

Speaker 2 (25:13):
There was nothing high class about it. And they're saying no,
you know they were Yeah, sucks.

Speaker 3 (25:20):
So she was found dead shot three times and twice
in the head and once in her boob breast I
think I'm supposed to say. And she also had her
eyes removed. And and what's weird is that he the
person closed the lids after he did it too, so
they wasn't They weren't found to have their eyes missing
until they got their autopsies.

Speaker 2 (25:41):
It's all intentional, and it's all tricky and creepy, like
what would you what do you think your motive would
be to take eyes? It's like, seriously, yeah, because it's
not gouging out, like don't look at savvy staff.

Speaker 1 (25:53):
Yeah, it's removal, like I'll as if it's evidence, like
taking them. Yeah. Okay.

Speaker 3 (25:59):
So two months later after Susan Peterson was found, the
body of a twenty seven year old woman was found
in the same area. Oh wait no, this is Susan Peterson.

Speaker 1 (26:10):
Sorry.

Speaker 3 (26:11):
She was found at seven forty five am. And she
worked in the same neighborhood as this is the first woman.
And she was lasting walking the streets looking for clients.
Found laying face up with only a shirt on pulled
up over her breasts. The same emma, same exact way
to find the woman. Yes. So then a month after

(26:34):
the second victim was found on March eighteenth, nineteen ninety one,
Shirley Williams, who was a forty two year old woman
working as a part time sex worker in Dallas, was
found dead and she was completely nude. She had facial
bruises and a broken nose and had been shot in
the face through the top of the head. Steven, are
you gonna vomit? You're kind of like, oh, you're kind
of you're moving in a way.

Speaker 1 (26:55):
That's I bolls freaked me out too, Do they do?
You want to go sit in the other room? Okay,
let me know if you needed some air.

Speaker 3 (27:03):
You look, I kind of saw you weaving in the background, like,
oh no. She had superficial injuries around the eyes and face,
and part of an exact a knife blade was found
in one of the wounds.

Speaker 1 (27:16):
But sorry, I wound No, no, no, no, no, okay, okay, okay,
fucking god.

Speaker 3 (27:19):
So she was stabbed hard enough that it broke off,
well broke off. No, yeah, I think he stabbed her
and it broke off.

Speaker 1 (27:26):
Yeah, that's not good. Both eyes had been removed, so
then a pair of patrol officers cut to this. After
the first three women had been found, two cops remembered
an incident from a few months prior. There was a
woman named Veronica Rodriguez, also a sex worker, and she

(27:48):
claimed she had been attacked, and she claimed she had
been taken into the woods and raped, then ran to
a friend's house and he rescued her. So the rescuer
was a guy who was a truck driver named Axton Schindler,
and he said he was only giving her a ride,

(28:11):
didn't know anything about the attack or the injuries.

Speaker 3 (28:13):
Super shady and weird. But the police questioned him and
his address was ten thirty five El Dorado Street, so
they wondered if the attacker was the eyeball killer, and
they decided to requestion Schindler to find out if he
had seen something. He was a weirdo himself. He like

(28:34):
collected trash and stuff. So they discovered that ten thirty
five El Dorado wasn't actually his address. He'd put a
fake address on the license out of paranoia, but the
property belonged to someone named Fred Albright, but he was dead.
So a couple months go by they're trying to figure
out who this fucking killer is, and then a deputy

(28:55):
overhears them talking about this whole situation. Of Schindler and Albright,
and he remembers a phone call weeks before with a
woman who said that she was friends with one of
the victims of the eyeball killers. So she had been
friends with Mary Lou Pratt, the first victim, and she
said that the victim had once dated a man named

(29:16):
Charles Albright, and the reason that stuck out to her
was that he had a weird obsession with eyes and
kept exact o knife blades and his addicts in his
what addict addict? I always say addict, But you mean
the room above your house attic? Yeah, yeah, yeah, I
don't know why I do that, Okay, So I just
wanted to make you to know your addict. That's what

(29:37):
I fucking kept it in his addict. His friend, who
was an addict, did you hold these for me? Came in,
he did him and I got some real good government coke. So, Charles,
this fucking addict dude was the son of the guy
who owned that home. Okay, So bred Albright's son and
he had inherited that location. So let's talk about Charles Albright.

(30:01):
He was born in Amarillo, Texas, and he was adopted
from an orphanage by Dell and Fred Albright. His mother
was kind of loco, loco, can we get that out?
Who the fuck am I? Kind of crazy? Logo?

Speaker 1 (30:16):
Never said that, We're just trying to change it up
a little. I don't know.

Speaker 3 (30:21):
His adoptive mom was a school teacher, and she was
super strict and overprotected.

Speaker 1 (30:25):
She overprotective.

Speaker 3 (30:26):
She made him study a lot, and he ended up
skipping two grades because he was so fucking smart. And
she pampered him like crazy. She kept goats in the
backyard so he could drink goat's milk, which said she said,
was better for him than cow's milk. She occasionally put
him in little girls dresses and gave him a doll
to hold. She would change his clothes a couple times

(30:48):
a day to keep dirt off of him. So loco,
she was loco, she was straight up yeah. And she
was afraid that he might touch dog feces and get polio,
so she took him to the hospital to see the
polio patients locked in a huge iron line.

Speaker 1 (31:03):
What that doesn't keep you from touching and dog pieces?

Speaker 3 (31:06):
Isn't where you fucking get polio? Bro, It's the air,
Like it's just the air you know that's so awful,
can you admit? But this is the thing my brain
always flashes.

Speaker 1 (31:17):
You.

Speaker 2 (31:17):
Can you imagine a parent today taking their child to
winning wording. Yeah, exactly, don't touch the stove. Look at
all these people who have been have third degree burned.

Speaker 3 (31:27):
However, I think my aunt one time, my cousin he
was little, lit the fucking kitchen on fire because he
was doing that thing with matches where you flick them
after you light them.

Speaker 1 (31:36):
Yes, lit the whole kitchen on fire. This is in
the seventies.

Speaker 3 (31:39):
So he was not being watched and it was his
fault for playing with matches, not their fault for not
leaving them around or believing them or smoking twenty four
hours a day, right, And I think that they took
him to the burn ward to be like, this is
what fucking happens when you play.

Speaker 1 (31:50):
With matches, And how was he after that?

Speaker 3 (31:54):
He's fine now, he's kind of he was kind of
mean to me when when we were little, kind of
Sadi the meme uh before after the burn woard visit
after Yeah, so he's still working some stuff out.

Speaker 2 (32:07):
Yeah, but he's like fine now. I mean, I think
you need to trust your children better. That you don't
have to traumatize them to get the lesson through their
through their head.

Speaker 3 (32:15):
I think you should teach them not to fucking play
with fire to be in with.

Speaker 2 (32:18):
I mean, I just remember when I lit the bed
on fire. My mom screams were enough to keep me
from ever.

Speaker 1 (32:23):
Doing it again.

Speaker 2 (32:23):
Yeah, that's the secret. Because she looked at me like,
what the hell is wrong with you? And I was like,
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (32:30):
You have no you have an excuse for being like
I hate when you do something. You're like, this is
something a stupid person would do. Yeah, I have no
Like am I a stupid person?

Speaker 2 (32:37):
My thing was like, can you please just pay attention
to me? Like I just I'm really fun. Yeah, I
think of great stuff. Get off the phone, Get off
the mother fucking fine, hang.

Speaker 1 (32:47):
Up that long courted What was it fucking Marygold? Or
was this?

Speaker 3 (32:50):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (32:50):
It was Mary Gold, I swear to God because that's
the entire seventies. Was Mary? It really was? It really was.

Speaker 2 (32:57):
I see her fucking sitting there twisting the big long
cord around her very manicured fingernail and telling me thing
about it. Was probably talking to her friend pat Ronkin
in Florida, and they were just talking about the good.

Speaker 1 (33:10):
Old day rockin Ronkin. Oh damn it with an n attic.
But she was rocking. She was the best. Oh my gosh. Okay,
sorry anyway, no, this was the best. All right, see
you later, are okay.

Speaker 3 (33:23):
So she would take him to the polio to look
at the polio patients and those are polio patients.

Speaker 1 (33:28):
They're like, fuck, you don't use me an example. I
didn't touch dog shit. The idea, yeah, really I never touched.
Don't put that on me.

Speaker 2 (33:35):
The idea of being in an iron lung where just
your head is sticking. It's such a goddamn nightmare for months.

Speaker 1 (33:42):
Horrible. Oh this poor babies.

Speaker 3 (33:43):
Yeah, and then she said to him, you can spend
the rest of your life here.

Speaker 1 (33:48):
She would tell him.

Speaker 3 (33:49):
But she was It's from what I read, she was
very protective and loving of him in a way because
she wanted him to know that she was never going
to abandon him and that she loved him.

Speaker 1 (33:59):
Like. It doesn't seem like she wrong, I know. I
don't think she was abusive, but she attentions were good. Yeah,
she was overbearing and didn't really understand how to parent.

Speaker 2 (34:08):
Yeah, she was letting her neurosis take priority over his
will be.

Speaker 3 (34:12):
And it sounds like she had a lot of neuroses
aside from what she did to her kid. But she
doesn't sound like a bad person. She just wasn't she
was scared. I think she had a little bit of
a mental illness. Yeah, oh well, However, the next line
says when he was less than a year old, she
put him in a dark room as punishment for chewing
on her tape measure.

Speaker 1 (34:31):
Man, Elvis, choose on my tape measure all the time?

Speaker 3 (34:33):
Uh No, no dark rooms for babies.

Speaker 1 (34:36):
I think we've agreed that in twenty seventeen. You know
what's scary when you're a kid, the dark room. You're
not scared in your adult A dark room? Sound too it?

Speaker 2 (34:44):
And then when you know it's scary, I just said
it was twenty seventeen.

Speaker 1 (34:49):
You know it's scarier. So I didn't even fucking notice,
is it?

Speaker 3 (34:55):
No?

Speaker 1 (34:55):
Not yet.

Speaker 3 (34:55):
Let's let's hold this episode until twenty seventeen so we
sound normal.

Speaker 1 (35:00):
This one goes in the vault like Disney's Dollar.

Speaker 3 (35:02):
I keep reading more awful stuff that makes me take
back everything I just said.

Speaker 1 (35:07):
When he wouldn't take a nap. She would tie him
to the bed.

Speaker 3 (35:10):
She was abusive. When he wouldn't drink his milk, she
would spank him. She would make him drink goat's milk.
Have you I've never had a goat smell.

Speaker 1 (35:18):
Oh no.

Speaker 3 (35:20):
And I'd like to take an aside right now and
say that everyone listening, spanking is abused. Don't fucking spank
your kids. Oh man, haaren that's why I don't have kids.
And I don't, Then the problem never even comes up. Wait,
should I shouldn't? I? Nope, I should go to the
movies by myself. That's what I should do. You know
what's great is being an aunt and getting to go

(35:42):
away after that's right, and then they have to take
care of you when you're old.

Speaker 1 (35:46):
That's what I figured out recently. It's pretty great. Oh.

Speaker 3 (35:50):
And then she lectured him about the way his father,
the father acted greedy with sex.

Speaker 1 (35:56):
Whenever as a child.

Speaker 3 (35:58):
She told him that whenever the dad saw her in
the bedroom in her bra in underwear, he tried to
grab her. She was going to have none of that,
and she was going to make sure that Charlie never
tried anything like that with his friends. His girlfriend's either
oh and he were older, she'd chauffeured them every time
they went on a date. She would call the girl's

(36:19):
parents let them know that her son would not do
anything untoward lady. But that was the fifties too, so
I don't know. Like, so she was on pills, she
was on vacuum pills.

Speaker 1 (36:28):
I thought she had an amazing cut, an amazing figure,
like because she just didn't.

Speaker 2 (36:32):
She wore four girdles, and she was super high on speech.

Speaker 3 (36:37):
She ate a triangle toast every morning with and it's
madeo It's made on cuta cheese, tomato and cottage cheese.

Speaker 1 (36:45):
I mean, okay, says so much about life.

Speaker 3 (36:48):
So for some reason, he got his first gun as
a teenager and he'd kill small animals with it, but
his mom would help him stuff them. Due to his
interest in becoming a taxi hermiss.

Speaker 1 (36:58):
This guy had no chance.

Speaker 3 (36:59):
No, he got super into fucking taxidermy, but his mom
was super cheap and weird and like wouldn't spend any
money on anything. So instead of spending the money on
the glass eyes that one would buy for taxidermy birds
and squirrels and shit, she was like, we don't need
to do that, so instead they would get two dark buttons,
and so people come over and look at their taxidermy

(37:21):
and it'd be this. It's like that movie Coraline. Coraline.
So I wonder who the eyeball killer is?

Speaker 1 (37:27):
Right now?

Speaker 2 (37:28):
Are we gonna go ahead and make a guest? I mean,
this is like all arrows pointing to was his name?
Dan's name?

Speaker 1 (37:35):
Dan?

Speaker 3 (37:36):
No, it's Charles, all right, Charles Danck, Chuck Danny Albright, we'll.

Speaker 2 (37:40):
Call it Chuck Danny. You never had a goddamn chap.

Speaker 1 (37:43):
Poor baby. But it seemed like he so all of.

Speaker 3 (37:46):
These like Wikipedia articles and these other things just make
him seem like a crazy, you know, like a gross
drifter like killer.

Speaker 1 (37:54):
But this other article I read, it was just like
he was.

Speaker 3 (37:57):
He was very, very fucking intelligent, but at age thirteen,
he was he's a petty theft whatever, agree with Salts.
He graduated from high school at age fifteen because he
was so fucking smart, and then he went to the
North Texas University. He wanted to train as a medical
doctor and a surgeon. He wanted to train as a surgeon. Yeah, yeah,

(38:19):
And at sixteen, the police caught him with some stolen
petty cash. He spent a year in jail at sixteen,
and then he went back to school majored in pre
med studies, but was found with stolen items again and
is expelled but not prosecuted.

Speaker 2 (38:36):
So he had he had a compulsion control problem.

Speaker 1 (38:40):
That's that's called compulsion control. I made it up.

Speaker 2 (38:44):
That's what it's called from now on, I think, So
impulse control. Impulse control, yea dig it. So he got
kicked out at school.

Speaker 3 (38:53):
So he did what everyone else would do, which is
that he gave himself a fictitious bachelor's and master's degree.

Speaker 1 (39:00):
He forged himself a problem solved. I mean he knows
everything anyway, That's what I mean. It sounds like it.

Speaker 2 (39:06):
Yeah, he's like, so it turns out I'm an eye doctor. Yep,
here you go, here's my forde shit.

Speaker 1 (39:11):
But he had like done it by breaking into like
the fucking head of the college's office and like using
the rite typewriter and everything, so it all looked Oh,
that's like he was very got a master's and forgery.
I mean, if you at that point you can do that,
you deserve it.

Speaker 2 (39:27):
Yeah, you deserve something, you know, Yeah, thank you.

Speaker 1 (39:31):
I don't know society, man.

Speaker 3 (39:34):
Yeah, man, college, I think I have a thing against
college because I never went, and I hate you college. Okay,
me too. But somehow he married his college girlfriend. I
don't know, man, Some women just fucking.

Speaker 2 (39:45):
Well, come on, danger chuck danger, Yeah, get hear of
that shit.

Speaker 3 (39:49):
She's bored of all these dumb college students at Arkansas
State Teachers College.

Speaker 2 (39:52):
She's like yon o'clock. Yes, he's dangerous, dangerous. He's not grabby. Yeah,
it's not afraid of the dark anymore. I don't grab
when she's in her underwear on broa.

Speaker 1 (40:01):
He loves buttons. Great, he's got a master's and he's
got a master's and a bachelor. Turns out they got married,
they had a kid, and he started teaching high school science.
There's a photo of him and like a school photo. Okay,
so this guy, he seems like this criminal. He's this normal,
fucking smart guy with friends that goes to church that

(40:23):
is like everyone likes. No one can believe it one
of those guys. Yeah, he's not like a gross like
his fucking mugshot's creepy. But he wasn't like he had
a life. Yeah, yeah, yeah, he says he had a
pied piper like ability to captivate people, and he so
in nineteen sixty five he and his wife separated and

(40:46):
because he got caught stealing again and he's served less
than six months. He loved to steal, he loved he
had a compulsion to steal, maybe just see if he
can get away with it.

Speaker 2 (40:56):
And also, like Steve and I were talking before the
show stored about stealing, there's something to it too, where
you just like when you have that thing, like I
need this, like you rationalize needing something.

Speaker 3 (41:06):
I used to steal a lot, and it was like
it was like it was like a fuck you. I
never stole from like people or did you steal from
like CBS?

Speaker 2 (41:17):
Yeah, yeah, that's like the teen Girls, Yeah, right past.

Speaker 3 (41:21):
And I was poor and didn't have money and like
to have enough for things that like everyone else got
to have.

Speaker 1 (41:26):
And I felt like justified.

Speaker 3 (41:28):
Yeah yeah, I felt justified and like fuck you everyone,
I want this too.

Speaker 1 (41:33):
I will have three wet and wild lipsticks.

Speaker 3 (41:35):
Yes, yeah, fucking that crazy pink that I then were
to raves.

Speaker 1 (41:39):
Yes, that lip liner that's so long it'd last you
like seven years. Yes, And doesn't it to any perse
that like Maroon one.

Speaker 2 (41:45):
And the irony there is that wet and wild makeup
is so cheap. Oh yet that's the one that everyone's
doing so far.

Speaker 3 (41:52):
But then you're like, well, you paid three cents to
make this with fucking slave labor.

Speaker 1 (41:56):
Yeah, so so.

Speaker 3 (41:57):
Give me mine, give me mine to drugs.

Speaker 1 (42:00):
Don't steal down to drugs. We used to do pink.

Speaker 2 (42:04):
There would be a pink lipstick, but then you took
frosty white eyeshadow and put it on your lips. Well
it was while the gloss was still wet, and so
you had the frostiest pink lipstick of all time. Frosty
pink lipstick was fucking in eighty four. Baby, Yes, all right, anyway,
love it, sidebar.

Speaker 3 (42:23):
Sidebar nation. Okay, But so he so everyone loved him.
He everyone, all the neighbors trusted him. Here's a funny thing.
He was asked by local residents to babysit their children.

Speaker 2 (42:41):
Sorry, well he was, but his whole act was working
being a big stealer.

Speaker 3 (42:47):
I'm sorry, is who the fuck let's grown men babysit there?
Oh yeah no, that's my problem. And also this was
not long ago.

Speaker 2 (42:53):
This wasn't like Albert Fish time, we were like, yeah,
let the old Yeah, well listen, it's like recent.

Speaker 3 (42:57):
Eighty one where like all of that hadn't and they
didn't believe the children still and you're like, my uncle
fucking touched me.

Speaker 1 (43:03):
They're like, shut the fuck up, how dare you? Yeah,
it was burbling to the surface. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (43:08):
I think I think towards the end of the eighties
is when they were like, oh shit, don't leave your
kid along with a grown man.

Speaker 1 (43:14):
Yeah, don't.

Speaker 2 (43:16):
Don't accept help from a grown man who wants to
help you with your kids.

Speaker 3 (43:20):
Yeah, he doesn't. He's not being a nice guy. He's
and also grown men. If you're not a lost don't
try to fucking babysit kids. Yeah, find another outlet. Ride horses.
You don't mean to do someone else go.

Speaker 2 (43:32):
Don't you have a fantasy something team that you need
to maintain.

Speaker 3 (43:35):
Watch the dogs, fine, even the cats, don't offer to
watch the children.

Speaker 1 (43:40):
Just get a bunch of dogs. Yeah, we've solved it, done, done.

Speaker 3 (43:47):
Look at us legislation corner with Karen Androda. Soay, let's see.
Oh but then guess what. In nineteen eighty one, while
visiting some friends, he's sexually inlested their nine year old daughter.

Speaker 1 (44:00):
No, and this is when his whole facade started to crumble.

Speaker 3 (44:02):
Oh, he was prosecuted and pled guilty, but he and received.

Speaker 1 (44:07):
I'm sorry, what did he receive for this fucking what probation?
But he said that, he said, he said he pled
guilty because he didn't want it to become a big thing.
He wanted to kind of keep it a secret, so
no one knew about it because he but he quote
didn't do it, but he still pled guilty to it. Whatever. Okay.

Speaker 3 (44:24):
At this point, he falls in love with a woman
named Dixie, and then he starts he takes a paper
route in the early morning, and it turns out it's
so he could visit prostitutes without raising his wife's suspicions.

Speaker 1 (44:33):
His new wife. Yeah, adult paper routes, Ye're suspicious as fun. Yeah,
get a fucking telemarketing job, bro.

Speaker 3 (44:42):
So so we're back to this woman being like, Yeah,
my friend who died, Mary Lou Pratt was friends with
Charles and he was into fucking eyeballs, not fucking but
and his eyeballs and stuff. Yeah, and there's proof that
he was friends with her way before she came a
fucking sex worker. In the early eighties, Mary lived in

(45:05):
South Dallas neighborhood while Albright's parents had invested in cheap
rental property and he was living in one of the
rental homes. And he had a brief fling with one
of Mary's friends and had brought them over to the
house for parties, so they knew each other already. And
then when she started to become a sex worker, he

(45:28):
became one of her customers. And she said that old
man Albright was a good trick, willing to pay a
little more than the going rate. But he's claiming from
jail now, I just spoil the whole thing. He's claiming
that he didn't even visit prostitutes.

Speaker 1 (45:42):
I mean, why would he admit that.

Speaker 3 (45:43):
Yeah, so I think she was his first kind of
for rand who into sex work. Yeah, says he would
pick them up, talk to them, take them to get
a hamburger, and drop them back off.

Speaker 1 (45:57):
That sounds like a perfect date. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (45:59):
Sorry, what's he paying for there besides hamburger?

Speaker 3 (46:02):
I don't know, but I think eventually he started to
do it. Okay, soop up, let's see da da da Okay,
i'd march my second ninety one, he's arrested and charged
with three counts of murder.

Speaker 1 (46:15):
Oh, bless you, that's how you do it. That was Okay,
I get it, I get it. No, I fucking get it.

Speaker 3 (46:21):
How would the first time either of us have sneezed
on this podcast in thirty eight episodes?

Speaker 1 (46:28):
Especially a fucking closed room full of cats? I know,
and I don't.

Speaker 3 (46:31):
I'm gonna be honest, I don't fucking vacuum that couch much.
So all right, sorry, go ahead, No, that was an amazing.

Speaker 1 (46:40):
Let's see. So.

Speaker 3 (46:41):
But eventually he was known by several sex workers.

Speaker 1 (46:44):
I know he was violent towards them.

Speaker 3 (46:48):
So that was a growing thing, like when it started
out to use little Hambergers and cute yeah, and then
it basically he got comfortable.

Speaker 1 (46:54):
Yeah, and started to be able to do whatever he
wanted to do. They said that.

Speaker 3 (46:57):
One said that he beat her with an extension core
word or a belt to achieve orgasm. Another told a
reporter that he would another told her that he would
kill her if she tried to take advantage of him
and he and also he was known to have an
abnormal obsession with eyes, and he would remove the eyes

(47:18):
from dolls.

Speaker 1 (47:19):
And photographs. Man, Yeah, like get another m O.

Speaker 3 (47:23):
Because if you have this thing in your daily life,
it's like if you're the bicycle killer and you're obsessed
with bicycles, like become the skateboard killer instead, you know.

Speaker 1 (47:31):
Change it up so pops won't find you immediately. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (47:34):
Yeah, it's like can it's his obsessions, all right, Stephen
with the Britney Spears movie. He just can't stop thinking
about it every moment of every day.

Speaker 1 (47:45):
Yeah, he's like, oops, I did it again. I thought
about it. That wasn't that funny? It wasn't well it
was to me. I appreciate that. That's why we're part
of I don't fake laugh at you. I know you don't,
and I love it.

Speaker 3 (47:58):
And when you laugh at me, it's always it's like
it's like your screams newzing because I'm like, well I
was surprised, you're shocked, pleasantly shocked.

Speaker 1 (48:08):
Okay, so all right, so here's all right.

Speaker 3 (48:11):
So the reason I found this whole murder is because
on crack dot com.

Speaker 1 (48:15):
Yeah, my favorite late night fucking read, the best website,
crack dot.

Speaker 3 (48:19):
Dude, there was one, uh one list called five suspicious
details of famous crimes no one can explain.

Speaker 2 (48:27):
I love it.

Speaker 1 (48:27):
Sorry, I would read that for hours.

Speaker 2 (48:29):
Yeah, make that list five hundred please, I am there there.

Speaker 3 (48:33):
So the the weird thing about this case is that
this fucking this dude from the beginning, if you'll remember,
what I can't remember, is Axton.

Speaker 1 (48:43):
Axton, the d driver, Shindler, the truck driver.

Speaker 3 (48:47):
They were like, well, what's his connection? He his driver's
license had the address of the killer's father. How does
that make any sense? This guy must have been part
of it or known no fuck connection at all. What
He just happened to live in a rental property that
was owned by the killer, So there's no connection. He

(49:08):
just the guy who picked up the truck driver who
picked up this woman who had been beaten up and
gave her ride home.

Speaker 1 (49:14):
I don't believe it, I know, but it's true.

Speaker 2 (49:17):
Pretty sure, Like he just is clean on the deal,
even though he knows the parent of the killer and
for the attempted.

Speaker 3 (49:27):
He happened to live in a rental property that was
owned by the Albrights, and he happened to use another
of their addresses as his fake address, and he just
happened to be there at the time to pick up
one of his would be victims.

Speaker 1 (49:40):
I'm sorry.

Speaker 2 (49:41):
Three happened to bes in one man's life adds up
to a whole bunch of year full of shit.

Speaker 1 (49:47):
Write that shit down, man, that was mad. It's just
coming out of my mouth.

Speaker 3 (49:51):
So the cops interrograted for hours thinking there how to
be a connection. Not a single witness had ever seen
him before, and there was no physical evidence that he
had even ever been at the crime scenes or knew
about Albright's murderer's hobby at all. In general, he's schindler
you're talking about. Yeah, okay, he seemed to have no
idea what was going on. He helped a woman in
need and that's all he fucking knew about. That's crazy, yeah,

(50:15):
but now okay, so hey, let me let me also,
aren't you a little suspicious, like of CrossCountry truck drivers
because of so many terrible forensic files where it's like
they have murder barns all across the Midwest. If you're
going into a small and like if you're you know,
a sex worker, you're going to a small, enclosed place
that they know were things.

Speaker 1 (50:35):
I mean, no, yeah, I know, but he's he's innocent, Yeah,
well yes, okay, all right.

Speaker 3 (50:43):
Well let's go back to the trial. After all, after
Charles Albright gets arrested December thirteenth, nineteen ninety one, Like,
doesn't this seem like an old timey crime, like from
the seventies?

Speaker 1 (50:53):
Complete? Aren't you picturing like you said? Nineteen ninety I
was genuinely shocked.

Speaker 3 (50:57):
I know, aren't you thinking of like old fucking cat
Laxeville's and shit, Like, Yeah, it's total ninety one, which
I guess is a long time ago for twelve year
olds whose moms let them listen.

Speaker 1 (51:07):
To this fucking podcast. Hi. Hi.

Speaker 3 (51:10):
So the evidence was that eight hairs that matched Shirley Williams,
one of the victims, was found in all rights of
vacuum cleaner.

Speaker 1 (51:19):
Okay, that's not good, that's just a.

Speaker 3 (51:21):
That's kind of cool, right, Like, but who had the
job of going through the vacuum, Like did that really
happen or the she's like put some fucking I mean,
we cannot know, but that's a that's like a forensic job.

Speaker 1 (51:32):
That's what you're signing up for.

Speaker 3 (51:33):
Yeah, dude, there's people who are listening who might know
the answer to that.

Speaker 1 (51:36):
That's true. Maybe they've done before. Yeah, that's right, email us.

Speaker 2 (51:39):
They got a pair of tweezers, some old revlans from
CVS that they shoplifted, and they're just going through that
dust bag and they're like healed by mallku.

Speaker 3 (51:48):
It's only because their boss doesn't like them that they
had got that job. That's the shit job. They mouthed
off at lunch. Yeah, man, that's the shit job. They
drank too much at the fucking company picnic and called
somebody a fat bastard.

Speaker 2 (51:59):
Oh really, well, you'll be picking through the vacuum cleaner
bag this week, Dunhill.

Speaker 1 (52:04):
Damn it, Shit, I did it again.

Speaker 3 (52:07):
I always okay, we could just that could be forever whole, forever,
all right. And then three pubic hairs from a blanket
at Shirley Williams murder scene were matched to Albright. They
also found he found hair on a yellow rain coat
that matched his hair that was near one of the bodies.

Speaker 1 (52:26):
Can I should I mention at this moment that about
hair having What I was totally thinking too, is I
think in like the first episode, I had read the
news story that they've proven that that's not a thing
any conclusive, Yeah, which I just find kind of hard
to I find, maybe not as not as conclusive as

(52:48):
they originally thought, right that hair evidence and fiber evidence,
Like if you find a purple fiber and the fucking
on the body of a dead person, and the person
that you think is the suspect because of connections, also
has a purple carpet, Like, you can't just convict them
on the purple carpet. But if there's other connection.

Speaker 2 (53:05):
Right, if it's one piece of many that are all
fitting together exactly, But then that's all that all speaks to,
Like when you're looking for patterns, will you see those.

Speaker 1 (53:15):
Patterns and the other fuckings?

Speaker 3 (53:16):
The other part of that is do you have a
good prosecuting attorney and do you have a shitty defense attorney?

Speaker 1 (53:21):
Right? You know what I mean? Yes, man?

Speaker 3 (53:23):
Yeah, So then three hairs from the head of Susan
Peterson were found on a blanket in all Bright's trucks,
so all three of them had hair that were connected
to him.

Speaker 1 (53:33):
Yeah, that's that's when you're like, okay, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (53:36):
So December eighteenth, ninety one, the jury found him guilty
received as sentience of five years to life, but only
for the murder of Shirley wi lambs, it's the only
one who got convicted.

Speaker 1 (53:47):
On five years five to life. Who are we? Where
are we? What's happening? I mean, why naturally isn't that
fifteen to life? I don't know? Five five? How old
was he? Do you know? Like? Was he old? And
he was in his fifth jeez? Ok? No, not old
enough that like.

Speaker 3 (54:02):
And then the thing is everyone's like, he's going to
be in there for fifteen years, and it's like, my
dad is fucking seventy one.

Speaker 2 (54:06):
That's not that old anymore. Right, And also he killed people.

Speaker 1 (54:10):
He murdered people. He murdered innocent people who didn't deserve
to die.

Speaker 3 (54:15):
No, he got well, he got fucking Proby on a
fucking molestation Proby to people call it.

Speaker 1 (54:20):
That, I don't know, that's lope. I bet you anything.
I bet you that's police lingo Proby for probation. Yes,
I'm gonna fucking doesn't it sound like it should be? Yes,
for sure, Rob Proby. We're really calling it that from
Noah copsymailas.

Speaker 3 (54:38):
So he's at the clements unit of the Texas Department
of Corrections in Amarillo, UM and he's a motherfucking piece
of shit. But he's saying from prison that he's like
he will not admit to any event. He's blaming fucking
shindler and saying it's him. Oh interesting, yeah, and I
love but there's just no action, there's no evidence. Everything

(55:01):
about like the woman who Rodriguez who said she attacked him,
another woman who knew him. Everyone saw a photo line
up and picked him like it's fucking him.

Speaker 2 (55:15):
And he grew up obsessed with eyes. Yeah, and he has.
He was trained as a he was in like medical student, surgeon.

Speaker 3 (55:24):
Like, what's more of a coincidence that this dude used
to live in this guy's house and put another one
of his addresses down, or that not he'd killed it
or killed them, or that this fucking eyeball obsessed, fucking
overbearing pet of mother of overbearing crazy mom who dressed
him up in women's clothes. Not to say that there's
anything wrong with boys dressing app in women's clothes.

Speaker 2 (55:46):
As long as they're doing it themselves. Exactly, you get
to do it. So it's all about choice, yes, as
many things are. Yes, but also he's a proven, repeated
m and seemingly remorseless criminal, and he is what do
they call that it's getting worse as the years go by,
each crime gets a little worse.

Speaker 1 (56:06):
Then he becomes a he's a child molested.

Speaker 3 (56:08):
He seems like he feels like he's entitled. Yes, like
I did when I used to shop. But I'm better now.

Speaker 2 (56:14):
Well, but shoplift you yours, your your crimes never escalated.

Speaker 3 (56:20):
Yeah, the thought of shoplifting now horrifies me. The thought
that I did that when I was I'm not like,
he's a top. It's I'm so embarrassed about that time.

Speaker 2 (56:28):
Right because now you know the the uh I was
gonna say, side effects, you have a moral compass, yes, exactly,
and it actually affects other people. We're talking about a
person who's probably a sociopathy or more. But the but
the idea, I mean, I have to say, and I
hate to sound this way. I don't hate to sound
this way. I am this way. The idea that he
removed eyes, that he that there was an additional thing

(56:51):
to his straight up murders, that that you would that
it's very common of these serial killers to kill sex
workers in in their mind have this udo kind of righteous,
almost religious thing about as if they're cleaning up the
streets or something.

Speaker 1 (57:06):
Like that.

Speaker 2 (57:07):
This extra detail of taking eyes and closing eyelids is
so morbidly fascinating to me.

Speaker 3 (57:14):
You know what's really weird about it too, if you
think about it, is that these women were killed pretty brutally.
They were beat up, they were stripped of their clothes,
they were raped, they were shot.

Speaker 1 (57:22):
Yet he carefully, systematically removed it.

Speaker 3 (57:26):
He didn't gouge their eyes out and fucking you know,
take him and run away. He very you had to
do that, probably slowly and carefully and with the right tools. Yeah,
So it wasn't a fit of crazy rage that he
just went into.

Speaker 2 (57:38):
Also, nobody wants to think about this, but even you,
just for one second think about how insanely hideous it
would beat him and remove someone's elf. Yeah, And I mean,
what did he do with them? Where did he put them?

Speaker 3 (57:50):
Never found them, They never found anything, not his eyes,
not their eyes.

Speaker 1 (57:56):
What if there's like a rotal space.

Speaker 3 (57:59):
Somewhere, there's got to be so much just six jars
of eyes staring out at you.

Speaker 1 (58:05):
I always wonder, wasn't there like a.

Speaker 2 (58:08):
The reality show where they bid on the blind blots,
where they would buy a rental space storage unit. Stage
Wars what if you fucking there's an episode of Storage Wars.

Speaker 3 (58:18):
They throw up a door, throw open a door. Eyeballs,
just fucking six eyeballs, and you're like, I'll pay a thousand.
Can I start the bid at a thousand?

Speaker 1 (58:25):
Please? That was good.

Speaker 3 (58:29):
That's an eyeball killer, man, that's good. I didn't even
really know much about that, thank you.

Speaker 1 (58:33):
Correct.

Speaker 2 (58:34):
I knew nothing except for when you mentioned it and
immediately assumed it was like the Torso killer in Ohio,
like thirty style, old fashioned murderer.

Speaker 3 (58:44):
Yeah, because it feels like old timey. And the other
thing is that about this guy that is suspicious is
that he was this childmaster or this criminal, this like
fucking crazy, you know, and yet he had this charming
normal life. It wasn't like he was living, you know,
off the grid and as a like drifter.

Speaker 1 (59:02):
No, he had the mask on tight, he maintained.

Speaker 3 (59:04):
Man. Yeah, people, and you know there's all these comments
of people, the normal comments of I can't believe it,
not him, no way, it's amazing. He was such a
nice guy, you know. And then this family is like
he molested our daughter.

Speaker 1 (59:16):
Yeah, shocked, crazy, Yeah, that's some fucked up ship man.
He was a scream sneeze of a human being, is
what he was.

Speaker 3 (59:24):
Oh my god, I just saw that so bad. I
just scream laughed. I'm sorry. Maybe, Oh my gosh, she's
lost her mind. Meme seems fragile. She very like, okay,
I please? She was kind on a dumpster.

Speaker 1 (59:41):
All right? Well, should I do mine? No? I mean,
I'm going to blaze through this because here's the thing.
Did I take too long?

Speaker 3 (59:49):
No? No, no, no, I loved it? It was so good.
Should I do mine? That's podcasts doesn't mean it. First
of all, mine is a heavy hitter. And I feel
like a lot of people know this one.

Speaker 2 (01:00:02):
I definitely a lot of people have written to us
and requested that we do this guy and ran all
over your parade.

Speaker 1 (01:00:08):
No, no, no, take your fucking time. Man. Uh it's
Edmund Kemper, the co ed.

Speaker 2 (01:00:14):
Yeah, it's the man who is six foot nine Stevens
six foot nine. That in and of itself is scary
and intimidating, so intimidating. Sorry to all you super tall
guys out there, but it is. And when you see
video of Edmund Kemper walking with cops.

Speaker 1 (01:00:30):
Is he a big guy too? Like not just like
a tall, skinny air is he I.

Speaker 2 (01:00:33):
Mean he's not humongous, Yeah, he is proportionate, but when
he walks through doorways he has to duck.

Speaker 1 (01:00:40):
It's he's that tall, six ' nine is out of control.

Speaker 2 (01:00:43):
And to imagine that on top of that, he's a psychotic, paranoid, schizophrenic,
psychopathic killer.

Speaker 1 (01:00:50):
It's so upsetting. Do you think he went crazy because
people kept asking him if he plays basketball? I always
wonder that about tall people. How fucking sick of there
so sigma?

Speaker 2 (01:01:00):
And also it's like people expect them to be good,
and then when they're not, they get likely fucking play basketball.

Speaker 1 (01:01:05):
I don't like basketball, I'm not. I love golf. Did
you play basketballman, dude, you must love basketball?

Speaker 3 (01:01:12):
Now?

Speaker 1 (01:01:12):
Fuck you?

Speaker 2 (01:01:14):
All right, So, just to briefly, also, I don't like
doing these ones because I don't like to talk about
the serial killer themselves like they're a star.

Speaker 1 (01:01:21):
I fucking hate that, like knowing their whole life when
really it's like, fuck you, this one woman that you
murdered life is way more important than your whole life.

Speaker 2 (01:01:28):
Right well, and also you rendered your own life like
a shitty a shitty factoid list because of the actions
that you acted out in that life.

Speaker 3 (01:01:38):
So you hear them obvious and this fucking example of
what serial killers.

Speaker 1 (01:01:42):
Are like, Yeah, but it's not impressive to me, it's not.

Speaker 2 (01:01:46):
And also when you see this person interviewed, to me,
all I think is what a waste? Because he was
really smart. He was a big giant that was also
a genius. No one ever knew he was a genius
because he had a terrible mother, this which is kind
of sometimes a theme on they another abusive, like obsessive, controlling,

(01:02:09):
dominant mother who was impossible to please. And yes, it
was all dominant mothers. I mean, so let's see, it
just basically goes like this. He was born in Burbank, California.
What that's why? That's crazy. He his parents had a

(01:02:31):
bad marriage. They divorced when Ed was nine, and his
mother moved him to Helena, Montana, and there he all
he wanted was a father and instead this one article
said he had a string a subsequent string of stepfathers.
But then when I looked into it, it seemed like his
mother only got remarried one other time she probably dated.

(01:02:55):
And also I think the evil mother kind of recurring
theme is a thing that people very easily can kind
of fill in the blench she got married all the
time she was an old, bitchy slut. I mean, it's
like to me, that's what it kept coming out, was like,
well what if she was what if he was a
six foot nine monster that she had to control and didn't.

Speaker 1 (01:03:16):
Know what to do.

Speaker 3 (01:03:17):
It comes me out that they blame it on like
the mom who stayed and raised him and that not
the daddy, this.

Speaker 2 (01:03:22):
Single mom later Yeah, but I mean who knows, who
knows the details? I just feel like there's there's always
this a little bit of that where it's like, Okay,
she was mean and domineering, but now she married a
bunch of people, Like yeah, whatever.

Speaker 1 (01:03:35):
And the and marrying a bunch of people is like, oh,
you're a fucking shitty mom and a slut.

Speaker 2 (01:03:40):
Well maybe just maybe let's just put it out there.
Maybe not maybe not so but he in his like
early teens, he starts to display his anti social personality traits.

Speaker 1 (01:03:52):
So him and his system sister. This made me laugh.

Speaker 2 (01:03:55):
And I was watching this a really good British series
that you can find YouTube, like any killer you want,
there will be this British series that comes up and
they just give you tons of information and really good facts.
I have no idea, no idea I can I'll tell
you next week. It'll be like a fun surprise. It's

(01:04:15):
like Crime and Evidence British accent. And it's also not
on BBC. It's not on anything I would recognize. It's
almost like an independent. All the people in England right
now are like giving me all kinds of two fingers
up in the air for not knowing this.

Speaker 1 (01:04:31):
Yeah, uh so.

Speaker 3 (01:04:34):
But if you look up Evan Kemper, it's the first
documentary series on him on YouTube.

Speaker 1 (01:04:40):
It's called Crimes and Stuff and christ Crimes and Crumpets
and British Accents.

Speaker 3 (01:04:46):
So him and a sister would play a game called
gas Chamber, where his sister would throw pellets into his
room and then close the door and he would.

Speaker 1 (01:04:55):
Pretend he was dying of asphyxiation.

Speaker 2 (01:04:58):
Oh that sounds normal that It made me laugh so
hard because I was. And then it was like a
bunch of stuff of like then he would make his
sister's dolls have sex. I was like, yeah, standard fair,
I did that. Everybody did that.

Speaker 1 (01:05:10):
I Joes and they would totally bone Barbie. Yes, that's
what dolls are for.

Speaker 2 (01:05:14):
Yeah, it's all like get him in that dream house, yeah,
and get to fuck it.

Speaker 1 (01:05:18):
And then you smash them together and they're boning, and
you have no idea what or why smash.

Speaker 2 (01:05:23):
You just know that it's exciting that they're in the
same bed and they're on a little plastic bed together.

Speaker 1 (01:05:28):
Sex is that plint now smash.

Speaker 2 (01:05:31):
So but here's where it all was very different than
most of our childhood. He told his sister in grammar
school that he had a crush on his teacher. And
when he said he wanted to kiss his teacher, his
sister said, why don't you And he said.

Speaker 1 (01:05:45):
Because I'd have to kill her first. So the sister's like,
I may go get a glass of juice.

Speaker 2 (01:05:53):
And like slowly crab walks out of the room, okay,
and I'll be right back.

Speaker 3 (01:05:59):
I just love you're getting on the ground and crab
walking instead of just like backing out of the room.

Speaker 2 (01:06:04):
You know, she had to go out sideways with all
her eyes looking at him, so breaking down. His mother,
when he was a little bit older, made him live
in the basement because she was afraid that he would
molest his sisters.

Speaker 1 (01:06:18):
So, yeah, it was it was dark and bad. Oh
that's weird.

Speaker 2 (01:06:21):
It also was believed that that mother suffered from borderline
personality disorder, which explains the rages.

Speaker 1 (01:06:27):
And the abuse.

Speaker 3 (01:06:27):
Oh honey, so that's you know, fair's fair, we're going
to say all this stuff about her.

Speaker 2 (01:06:32):
But then also everyone sucks all around. I mean, here's
the thing. Untreated mental illness affects people terribly and in
a ripple effect totally. That isn't just the person who
isn't taking their medicine or the person who can't afford
their medicine.

Speaker 3 (01:06:45):
Also see my therapy sessions every week of me going
through Yeah shit, yes, it's mental health is very important,
so important.

Speaker 2 (01:06:54):
And my mother was a psychiatric nurse. And in the
eighties when Proposition thirteen closed down all the much.

Speaker 1 (01:07:00):
Hospitals, that's the worst thing that ever happened.

Speaker 3 (01:07:02):
Rant and rave every night about how terrible the future
is going to be for people who needed help and
wouldn't be able to get it. I also see the
fucking insane amount of homeless people we have in this
country rights because they don't have easy access to fucking
mental health.

Speaker 1 (01:07:17):
Services and they need help. And yeah, and basically the
state is gone to that, all right, Nope, I want
to keep talking about back to ed my mother?

Speaker 2 (01:07:27):
Would you know what that would be like her dream?
If I want to talk about this all the time, honestly. So,
when he was fifteen, his mother sent him to live
with his father in la who and his father had
a new wife and stepson, and so he lasted a
month there, and then his father sent him to live
with his grandparents, who are the father's parents, on a

(01:07:49):
seventeen acre farm in North Fork, California, which is nice.

Speaker 1 (01:07:52):
It actually is.

Speaker 3 (01:07:54):
It butts up right against the Sierra's right now, Yosemite.
I was going to say, how often is to sendric
kid away to someone? But that sounds fucking like a
nice vacation. Pretty nice, and also like, if you have
a kid that's troubled, yeah, quote put him to him
to a farm, get him out there right.

Speaker 1 (01:08:10):
Teach him some fucking responsibility.

Speaker 3 (01:08:11):
Well turned out that the grandmother was also dominering hoops
and the grandfather had early stages of dementia, so there
was already some drama.

Speaker 1 (01:08:20):
Has I have no chance?

Speaker 2 (01:08:22):
I mean, yeah, he had his own twenty two, so
he shot rabbits and gophers and even though his grandmother
told him not to birds.

Speaker 3 (01:08:31):
Great.

Speaker 1 (01:08:31):
Rabbits and gophers are fine, but birds are off limits.
Well because gophers, rabbits rabbit them.

Speaker 3 (01:08:36):
Yeah, they eat the if it's a working farm, they
eat the vegetables. Bunnies birds do too, though, but they're
beautiful anyway. So that summer he was sent back to
Helena to stay with his mother, but then he came
back after two weeks. So it was basically nobody wanted
the giant, scary guy around and he was only fifteen.

Speaker 1 (01:08:58):
Can you believe it? I know, it's like so unfair though.
It's like it's really bad for him.

Speaker 2 (01:09:03):
It's lots of rejection and lots of criticism, and like
he already clearly had something going on mentally, and then
everyone was just like.

Speaker 3 (01:09:10):
This is the point where maybe you can intervene. But
it didn't happen, right, quite the opposite.

Speaker 1 (01:09:15):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:09:18):
It said that Ed's grandmother feared him enough that she
took her forty five with her anytime she left the
house so that Ed wouldn't be near it. Oh no,
the twenty two is fine, Yeah, I'm taking that forty five.

Speaker 1 (01:09:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:09:29):
So basically, one day he decides he's going to shoot
his grandmother on the back of the head, and when
police ask him why, he said, uh, I wanted to
see what it felt like to kill grandma. So he's
he's flipped over into a next level.

Speaker 3 (01:09:48):
You can't understand the finality of that at all. By
saying if you say that, you don't understand.

Speaker 2 (01:09:53):
Well, yeah, he's like, I'm testing out to see what
it's going to feel like as opposed to.

Speaker 1 (01:09:56):
Being able to walk through that. I wanted her to die.

Speaker 2 (01:09:58):
This will feel really bad and everyone's going to feel bad.
So he shot her in the back of the head.
He was pretending like he was leaving the house, took
picked up his twenty two, walked out. She saw the
weird look in his eye, and then he stood outside.
This is according to him. He stood outside, watching her
from the porch and then shot her through the screen door.

Speaker 1 (01:10:21):
In the bash. What's that? Oh my god.

Speaker 2 (01:10:26):
So then he waited for his grandfather to get home
from a store and then shot him because he didn't
He didn't he knew his grandfather father would be upset
and angry, so he didn't want to have to deal
with that, so he just killed the grandfather.

Speaker 1 (01:10:39):
You do not have a fucking right, right, mi owd
man No, because then the next thing he did was
call his mom.

Speaker 3 (01:10:45):
And this isn't a murderous this is someone who doesn't
have access to reality.

Speaker 2 (01:10:50):
Yeah, I think this is like the beginnings of being
a psychopath or like having some kind of a break.

Speaker 3 (01:10:57):
Like a dissociative. Let's just let's make sure that terminology
were professional psychologicist. Right.

Speaker 2 (01:11:07):
So he calls his mother and she says, call the sheriff.
So he calls the sheriff, tells them what he did,
sits on the front porch and waits for the cops
to come. And that's when they got that quote of
I wanted to see what it would be like to
kill grandma. He also, after he shot his grandma, stabbed
her several times with the knight. Whoa, Yeah, so he

(01:11:29):
wanted to kill her, that's different feel that. Wow, just
shot the grandpa though. So then the police were shocked
and he was committed to a Tescadero State Hospitals, a
mental it's kind of a famous mental hospital up in
northern California.

Speaker 1 (01:11:44):
Huh.

Speaker 2 (01:11:45):
He was diagnosed with a paranoid schizophrenia, but he was
tested with a near genius IQ and in the mental
hospital he learned how to mask his insanity. So he
basically got along blended, and he did. He did really
well with structure, and when people were in charge of
him but not me and unjudgmental of him, he worked.

(01:12:07):
It worked very well for him. So he learned. He
became a runner for one of the doctors, like an
assistant to one of the doctors, and that actually enabled him.
He like the doctor trusted him that much, but that
enabled him to read the doctor's files. So he memorized
the answers to psychological tests that he saw in the files,

(01:12:32):
and so he basically learned what to say to sound
like a normal person. He learned it out of reading
it off of tests. So he would read all the
psychological tests see what the correct answers were, and basically
that way.

Speaker 3 (01:12:45):
So after four years, those doctors added Tescadero deemed normal
enough to re enter society four years after killing.

Speaker 1 (01:12:52):
Both his grandparents, and it was it. So we never
tried that. I never went to trial for these mergers.
Know straight to the mental hospitals. Crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:13:00):
So in nineteen sixty nine, the California Youth Authority released
him back into the care of his mother Clarnel.

Speaker 1 (01:13:08):
Can you imagine being like, oh, well, my kid's back home. Yeah,
I guess the murderer is home.

Speaker 2 (01:13:15):
Even though the doctor said he can't go live with
his mother, that's where they sent him. So now he
was in the hospital for four years. So it was
between nineteen sixty five and nineteen sixty nine when the
cultural Revolution took place, and it took place in basically
the eye of the storm was San Francisco Bay Area,
and that's they lived right outside it. So sex, drugs,

(01:13:39):
and rebellion were the order of the day. Clearly, I
was just typing what the narrator was saying on this
because I.

Speaker 1 (01:13:44):
Would never sex sounds really casual like that. They were
the older of the day, the.

Speaker 2 (01:13:50):
Sex, so ED wanted to Ed's reaction to that was
he wanted to become a cop. He didn't like any
of it. He wasn't down with the hippies because the order.
He liked order, and he liked and he wanted to
be in charge.

Speaker 1 (01:14:03):
So maybe he was trying.

Speaker 2 (01:14:05):
The problem was he's too big to be a there's
actually a regulation against that size of person.

Speaker 1 (01:14:11):
Do you know what makes me feel safe? A fucking
six foot nine cop.

Speaker 2 (01:14:15):
Yes, true, But then also a six foot nine cop
could basically do whatever he wants at all times.

Speaker 1 (01:14:20):
Maybe that's part of it. He would to fit into
the car and a cop could do it ever he
wants all the time.

Speaker 2 (01:14:25):
The pants would be too short and he would be
a laughing stock. So instead he became a construction worker
and he hung out. He lived in Santa Cruz and
he hung out at a bar called the Jury Room,
where cops and lawyers.

Speaker 1 (01:14:38):
Went and often hung out. So we go there right now.

Speaker 2 (01:14:43):
He basically like hung among them, and they all kind
of knew him as Big Ad. So after a while
from being a construction worker, I think he also worked
for Caltrans, which is basically the guy on the side
of the road. He saved up, moved mother's house in
Santa Cruz and moved to Alameda, which was ninety minutes away.

Speaker 1 (01:15:07):
Could they have a good flea market there in Alameda? Oh,
I'm going to go.

Speaker 2 (01:15:13):
So when he was living by himself, he felt angry, awkward,
and lonely. I don't know if those things had anything
to do with each other, but he that's how he
felt in the world. So he started picking up female hitchhikers,
practicing how to get them into his car, practicing what
to say to them to get them into his car,
practicing what to talk to them about once they were

(01:15:35):
in his car. He picked up over one hundred and
fifty hitchhikers as practiced.

Speaker 1 (01:15:42):
Holy shit.

Speaker 3 (01:15:43):
And then he decided he was going to fix the
passenger side door so it couldn't be opened from the inside.

Speaker 2 (01:15:49):
I can't believe there were that many hitchhikers to pick
up nineteen sixty nine. Yeah, that's all anyone was doing.
That's back when it was like celebrated. So he for
long enough, so in the spring of nineteen seventy two,
he finally decided he was going to go to the
next level. He picked up Marianne Peshi and Anita Luceza,
who were students at Fresno State, and they were hitchhiking

(01:16:11):
to Stanford to see friends after a weekend in Berkeley.
But they never made it. And this was the time,
of course, when police never looked into missing persons cases,
especially that of young women, because of the amount of
runaways and transience there were, so they they're according to cops,
girls ran away all the time and they would always

(01:16:32):
show up later because they were with their boyfriend or
they were with their friends. So there it was almost
that like these fucking hippie kids like I don't want
to hear about.

Speaker 1 (01:16:40):
Yeah, we're not going to waste our time.

Speaker 2 (01:16:41):
Yeah, that was the mentality. So so Ed drove these
two girls to an isolated spot. He made Anita get
into the trunk, and then he put a bag over
Marianne's had to suffocate her. She fought back, she bit
a hole into the bag, and then he he never
thought that anybody would fight back. He became enraged and

(01:17:04):
he stabbed her repeatedly. Then he got out and went
into the trunk and slit a neat his throat. But
because the fighting like that wasn't the kill that he
fantasized about, so he took their body at your need to.

Speaker 1 (01:17:19):
Brace yourself for this par scared.

Speaker 2 (01:17:22):
He took their bodies back to his apartment and raped
their corpses, and then he dismembered them and he put
their body parts into plastic bags and left those bags
all around the Bay area.

Speaker 3 (01:17:34):
Can you imagine that that's the first time you really
like you killed you killed someone by shooting them before,
But the first time.

Speaker 1 (01:17:40):
He was stabbing, right, and it was your grandparents.

Speaker 3 (01:17:42):
Yes, yeah, but like raping a corpse, I mean and memberment,
that's not an easy thing to fucking do.

Speaker 1 (01:17:50):
No, it's hideous.

Speaker 2 (01:17:51):
But you know, he was fantasizing, and they talked in
this this documentary about that how much serial killers fantasize
about what they're going to do. My god, So then
he had fantasized about it all happening in the car.
But since that got fucked up, this was like this
weird plan be improv that he was doing. That then
became his emow. So two months later, hikers found Marianne's

(01:18:19):
head in the mountains and that was the only evidence
ever found of the two.

Speaker 1 (01:18:24):
The fuck is the only thing they ever found.

Speaker 2 (01:18:27):
So in September of that year, so this that was spring,
so like five months later, he picks up fifteen year
old hitchhiker Koku, honey, don't do it. She was fifteen,
she was I think they said she was half Korean
and half uh like Romanian or something. She was a dancer.
She's on a way to dance class, so she was

(01:18:49):
really small.

Speaker 1 (01:18:50):
Honey, don't fucking hitchhig to dance class and you're tiny
and you're fifteen, like all of these things are so much.

Speaker 2 (01:18:58):
No, he picks her up. He drives her to an
isolated location. But when he tells her he's this is
a kidnapping, she loses her shit and it becomes hysterical.
So to calm her down, he says that he was
going to kill himself and take her with him, but
now he's changed his mind. And then he gets out
to get something in the trunk, and the door shuts

(01:19:21):
and locks behind him. Girl, So now she's in inside
his locked car and he's locked out.

Speaker 1 (01:19:27):
Yes, but he convinces her to open the door.

Speaker 2 (01:19:33):
But this is this is, this is him practicing on
those one hundred and fifty girls. This is a person
who's figured out with his genius IQ, how to get
what he wants yep, and how to tell them exactly
what they specifically.

Speaker 1 (01:19:48):
Want to hear and need to hear. God damn it.

Speaker 2 (01:19:53):
So anyway, he suffocates her until she's unconscious. He puts
tape over her mouth and then holds her nose closed,
so he he is like up close into this the
killing you know horribly. Then he raped her and strangled
her with her own scarf and they put her dead

(01:20:13):
body in the trunk and then went.

Speaker 1 (01:20:14):
To a bar for a couple of beers.

Speaker 3 (01:20:17):
He did, oh yeah, okay, he said they and I
wasn't sure.

Speaker 1 (01:20:22):
No, no, sorry.

Speaker 2 (01:20:23):
Then then he takes the body back to his apartment
and it's the same thing, dismembers and scattering her remains
all over the barrier. So, because a serial killer is
a person who's killed three or more people on three
or more occasions with the cooling off period in between crimes,
this kill officially makes him a serial killer. So the

(01:20:47):
next day he had a state mandate dated meeting with
his psychiatrist and her head was in his trunk. Holy
fuck during that meeting, and he made such an impression
on the psychiatrist that they decided he didn't need to
see a psychiatrist anymore.

Speaker 1 (01:21:03):
Day after he murdered this girl. Yep, got to be
good what he did.

Speaker 2 (01:21:10):
Yeah, so, uh, to make matters worse, At the same time,
there was another serial killer named Herbert Mullen that was
operating in the Santa Cruz area at the exact same time.
And this was the guy that was killing people because
he thought it was keeping that big earthquake from happening.
Did you ever hear this guy? I think he deserves
his own episode.

Speaker 1 (01:21:30):
Yeah he was.

Speaker 2 (01:21:32):
He he killed hitchhikers, he killed he shot an old
man in his yard. He was and a child, he yeah,
and he was completely Yeah, he was had no idea,
you got.

Speaker 3 (01:21:41):
To go on.

Speaker 1 (01:21:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:21:44):
So that guy got arrested in nineteen seventy three and
the police thought, oh, great, this is all over now.

Speaker 1 (01:21:49):
He should have just stopped killing then and he wouldn't
have ever gotten caught.

Speaker 2 (01:21:52):
You know, but he couldn't do it. Four months after
his third murder, he was now broke. So he moved
in back in with his mother. Yeah, come on back home. Yeah,
that's going to work out good. So this is January
eighth of nineteen seventy two. His mother. He and his
mother argue all day. He goes out buys a gun,

(01:22:14):
and then he picks up hitchhiker Cindy Shawl, And according
to him, this is the way he tells the story
that he drives her to a remote location, shows her
the gun, then gets out of the car to open
the trunk, and he leaves the gun in the car
with her and instead of grabbing it, she follows him
back to the trunk and says, my, what a big

(01:22:34):
trunk do you want me to get in it? Which
to me is it's his version of the store right,
because he has talked and talked like they have hours
an hour of his confession, My, what a big trunk, My,
what a big trunk you have, grandma. So she gets
into the trunk and he shoots her once in the head,
or he does what he did before, which is shared uh,

(01:22:58):
strangles her. She's in the trunk, She's got a bullet
in her head. He brings the body back to his
mother's house, has sex with the corp.

Speaker 1 (01:23:07):
This members her body in his.

Speaker 2 (01:23:08):
Mother's bathtub and buries her head in his mother's backyard.
Throws the rest of the body into the ocean, but
she's discovered twenty four hours later, so most of her
body parts wash back up on shore. So a month
later he has another fight with his mother and then
he goes out for a drive, and this time he

(01:23:31):
picks up two u see Santa Cruz students, Rosaland Thorpe
and Alice lou and all of the students, all the
female students. Because he was now called the co ed killer,
and so all the students at U See Santa Cruz
where all the female students were worn. Do not hitchhike,
do not take rides from strangers. But his car, it

(01:23:53):
was his mother's car, so it had a U See
Santa Cruz parking sticker on it. His mother worked at
you See Santa Cruz, so they thought.

Speaker 1 (01:24:00):
It was safe. Yeah, but it's not like that. A
person who goes to your school couldn't be a killer too,
you know.

Speaker 2 (01:24:05):
Yeah, but they're all thinking it's like, I mean, like
a psycho killer.

Speaker 1 (01:24:08):
Well it is, but.

Speaker 2 (01:24:09):
Yeah, he shot them. It's the exact same thing.

Speaker 3 (01:24:14):
Shot them, raped their bodies, dismembered them, scattered the remains.

Speaker 1 (01:24:19):
Then he decides he's going to buy a forty four.
He needs a new gun.

Speaker 2 (01:24:23):
So a routine police background check brings up his name,
and the police when they look him up, it's just
an index card that says double murderer. So so they
put his records receealed because he was a teenager. So
they put a hold on the gun purchase.

Speaker 3 (01:24:39):
Oh what a great idea to put a hold on
purchases for people have mental illnesses.

Speaker 1 (01:24:43):
Oh no, sorry, I'm sorry. They couldn't put a hold
on it.

Speaker 2 (01:24:45):
He'd already bought it, so they go to confiscate it.

Speaker 1 (01:24:48):
So they show up at his house. But it's Big Ed.
They know Big Ed. There's no problem. It's Big Ed.

Speaker 2 (01:24:54):
He goes to the jury room, he hangs out with them. Yeah,
he's a good friend of ours. So and they assure
him it's just a it's just a thank you of formality.
But Ed got paranoid because he was like, they're onto me,
and so he ran so he what he sorry, this

(01:25:16):
is the this is the big one.

Speaker 1 (01:25:17):
So he's paranoid. He'm sure the cops are on him.

Speaker 2 (01:25:21):
So on April twenty first, nineteen seventy three, he decides
he's going to kill his mother.

Speaker 3 (01:25:27):
So that's a solution to everything, right, It's that's gonna
beig his big finale. So his mother's sleeping and he
goes into her bedroom with a claw hammer, beats her
to death with a hammer, fuck, decapitates her, has sex
with her corpse.

Speaker 1 (01:25:43):
Not courts in the garbage disposal, I mean like symbolic
as fuck. Yes, And he talked about it.

Speaker 2 (01:25:51):
It's and like I saw like probably ten seconds of
him talking about it. It's just it's not it's not
anybody worth listening to. It's just like a person thinks
it's great when they're telling you great. It's not just
like normal, but thinks it's great, thinks it's cool, thinks
it's like that's that's pretty ironic, isn't it.

Speaker 1 (01:26:08):
You know, like it's this kind of there's like a
swagger to it.

Speaker 2 (01:26:11):
You just want to so m So then he decides
that it's going to look like he did it, so
a way to make it not look like that is
he calls up his mother's best friend, Sally Hallett, invites
her over to a surprise dinner quote unquote, and when
she gets there, he chokes her to death. And so
when the cops find both their bodies, he's in his

(01:26:33):
mind they're going to think it's a break in and
it has nothing to do with that. That's his thinking.
And then he goes on the run. So he jumps
in his car. He drives east and they were still
looking for the co ed killer. They in no way
were looking for him, They had no idea. He drives
for three days. He hears no news on the radio

(01:26:55):
about himself or using his name or anything. And by
the time he gets to Puebo, Colorado. He calls the
Santa Cruz Police and confesses because he's so mad that
they're not talking about him and like and that he
was wrong and uh so the the Santa Cruz Police
have to drive out to Pueblo, Colorado to pick him up.

Speaker 1 (01:27:14):
And they said when he.

Speaker 2 (01:27:17):
Oh, the Pueblo police said, when they went out, like
the Santa Cruz police had the Pueblo cops go pick
him up. When they went and picked him up to
arrest him, he put his hands on top of the
phone booth.

Speaker 1 (01:27:28):
That's how big. Oh my god.

Speaker 2 (01:27:30):
Yeah, I just can't get it. I can't deal with this.
How nice, horrifying it is. He's just a humongous monster.
Vince is like six ' four and he's very fucking tall. Yeah,
and he's five inches taller.

Speaker 1 (01:27:43):
Yeah, that's insane. It's very tall.

Speaker 2 (01:27:47):
So on the whole drive back, the Santa Cruz Police
have to listen to his confession, and he talked. They said,
there's one cop that was like one of his first
cases ever. He said he talked to like couldn't listen
to it anymore. Was so upsetting, and he just wanted
to talk about all of it. And gave every detail
of every single thing. So basically he tries to plead insanity.

(01:28:10):
The jury declares him sane and guilty of all eight murders.
He's eight counts a murder. He asks when he gets
goes to jail, he asks for a lobotomy, and the
authorities say no, it's too dangerous. But he's basically trying
to suggest, like cut off the connections between this idea
and like the action, or like get this out of
my head.

Speaker 3 (01:28:30):
I really think a lobotomi would have helped him. I
mean it would have just rendered him like a vegetable basically. Yeah,
he would have just been a bigger pain to deal with,
Like to he wouldn't have been able to do anything
for himself.

Speaker 1 (01:28:42):
Yeah. Probably.

Speaker 3 (01:28:45):
He was once quoted in an interview, what do you
think now when you see a pretty girl walking down
the street, And he answered, one side of me says, Wow,
what an attractive chick.

Speaker 2 (01:28:55):
I'd like to talk to her, date her. The other
side of me says, I wonder how her head would
look on a stick. Holy Yeah, And that's actually in
Bred Easton Ellis's book American Psycho, Patrick Bateman paraphrases this
quote when he's asked about women, but he attributes it
to ed Gene, but it's actually an Ed Kemper quote.
And also in Silence of the Lambs, Thomas Harris wrote

(01:29:17):
that Buffalo Bill started his career as a serial killer
by impulsively killing his grandparents as a teenager, which was
based on ed Kemper.

Speaker 1 (01:29:24):
Neat Oh and killer.

Speaker 3 (01:29:27):
It's so weird that it's like such close by stuff,
you know, Yeah, close to us hitting a cruise is
like not far.

Speaker 1 (01:29:36):
Oh it's so scary. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:29:39):
Gross, It's funny that we both said serial killers this time.
I know, hmm, we're getting deep now. Well, I mean, yeah,
we have to say one thing that made us happy
this past week. But it's Monday, so it's been that line.
I mean, I'm gonna have to say Pole Dark. When
Pole Dark Ross Puldark takes off his shirt to swim

(01:30:02):
in the ocean to clean off the mind dust, it's
like the most beautiful thing you've ever seen. That sounds cool?
I think mine was. We went last night. We went
to the New Beverly Theater, which is like really it's
owned now by Quentin Tarantino, but it's this really cool
art house theater that's been around forever. Quentin Tarantino bought

(01:30:24):
it to like save it, which I love him for.
And they were playing the nineteen fifties version of Dracula,
and we went with Joe DeRosa's parents who we were
talking about from the podcasts, and like met them and
they were the sweetest people ever. And it was like
just such a nice, nice thing that someone wants you
to meet their parents as an adult, which like doesn't
really happen anymore.

Speaker 1 (01:30:45):
Yes, And it was.

Speaker 3 (01:30:46):
A cool movie and they were fun to hang out with, right, Yeah,
they were the best. And they and then New Beverly
has frozen junior mins like as the thing you can buy,
like because they know that that people like them.

Speaker 2 (01:30:56):
I didn't know that, And frozen junior mins are like
a family face.

Speaker 3 (01:31:00):
Yeah, they have them frozen Juniormen's and frozen snicker bars
there you can get They're just like yeah, and they
have fucking white Castle Burgers you can get there too,
Like are you serious? The Frozen and they peed them up.
But also the New Beverly is the best popcorn of
all movie theater, the best popcorn and it's so cheap there,
Like they have the movie theater candy prices from the eighties,

(01:31:20):
Is that true? Yes, we bought so much shit and
they were like, they were like fifty dollars in this
much and I handed them fifty and they were like, no, fifteen,
and I almost lost my mind. So I ended up
giving the guy a five dollar tip. And it's like theaters.

Speaker 2 (01:31:34):
You're like, yeah, this is going to cost me eighty
five dollars fortune.

Speaker 1 (01:31:37):
Yeah, that's the best. That's yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:31:40):
Go if you live in LA you should absolutely support
the new Beverly and they have just the best. They'll
have double features of like the coolest movies. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:31:49):
April and I went there to see because she's obsessed
with Elvis, and we went to see Elvis's concert film
that I'm remember the name of, and it was so
fun and everyone there was super into it. It's like
it's a it feels like an event.

Speaker 1 (01:32:04):
We can go there.

Speaker 3 (01:32:05):
You know what it's better than is going to a
fucking the cemetery movie screening where you have to sit
outdoors in the freezing cold, on the freezing cold like
grass and watch a movie on the I don't need
to do that.

Speaker 1 (01:32:16):
Go to a fucking go to the Beverly.

Speaker 3 (01:32:17):
Then go down the street to L Coyote, get great
fucking Margarita's life is good, good times.

Speaker 1 (01:32:24):
Yeah, that's right, that was mine. Thank you for listening.

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Speaker 1 (01:32:40):
And thanks for listening. Stay sexy and don't get murdered.
And bye bye Elvis. Did he leave us? Maybe Elvis,
there he is. I want a cookie good bue, cookie
cookie goode. Yeah,