40 - Squad Gourds

My Favorite Murder is the perfect coffee table podcast for you. This week Karen and Georgia unpack the "My Way" killings in the Philippines and the terrible murder of Scott Amedure.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:06):
Let's start with a prayer. Yeah, it's a good idea.

Speaker 2 (00:18):
Dear Oprah, can you help us?

Speaker 1 (00:22):
Please?

Speaker 2 (00:23):
Please, Oprah, Oprah, we just need ten one hundred thousand dollars.

Speaker 1 (00:30):
What if we were like Oprah's our guests at the
Chicago Podcast Festival, someone asked us that on Twitter, right,
they were like, is the guests gonna be Oprah?

Speaker 2 (00:39):
And I immediately wrote now, because I just didn't want
her to be sad or have any big feelings.

Speaker 1 (00:47):
I know, if she would talk about murder, I feel
like she's like not in that headspace anymore. Oh but
I feel like that's what that show was.

Speaker 2 (00:54):
I mean like in the beginning, that show was like
Sam his child on fire.

Speaker 1 (01:00):
Like they give him a makeover for real.

Speaker 2 (01:03):
That show was like, oh really, Sally Jesse, Raphael, where
we're going to take a one step lower.

Speaker 1 (01:08):
Yeah. However, there is one episode where club Kids are
on one of their shows, and it's like fucking epic on.

Speaker 2 (01:14):
Sally Jesse, I think so uh, I feel like I've
seen like screen grabs from that.

Speaker 1 (01:19):
Yeah. Anyways, uh like good no, no, no, I want
no and I just I just know and and you
so hard. Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:31):
The first thing I would like to talk about is
how we Although it is not our birthday, nor is
it yet Christmas. You and I, yes, we got a
surprise gift from Stephen and you guys, if you ever
want to get me a gift, don't bother, because this
is the only gift I've ever wanted. Stephen brought Georgia

(01:53):
and I the book Mysteries of the Unknown, the time
life series we each have.

Speaker 1 (01:59):
We talked about last week and then he went on eBay.
He must have had to overnight these on EBA. I mean,
here's the problem. Spend all the money in the world.
The problem is you're so like he brought over a bottle,
like we were drinking. We drink my whiskey, and he
brought up a bottle and like, Stephen, no, you're like,
we're supposed to be fining you all the shits you're
are unpaid. In turn, it's so thought take a college

(02:20):
credit at scientology. You got me phantom encounters.

Speaker 2 (02:26):
I mean, we we're gonna co own these though, right,
because I am. Immediately the second he handed you yours,
I was like, but wait, what's that one?

Speaker 1 (02:32):
When we share these with the universe? That's true.

Speaker 2 (02:35):
Mine is except you guys can't borrow minus mystic places.

Speaker 1 (02:38):
Which was the one in the Google imst Yeah, that's
right with the pyramid in the eye and the sphinx.
Some Illuminati shit. It is so crazy. This is beautiful.
I mean, I just can't stop staring at it. It's
the best gift. Here's one. Here's an article. Here's a
page title Vanishing Baneful Ghosts. Nice.

Speaker 2 (02:54):
Yeah, who came up with that? Just some bullshit time writer.

Speaker 1 (02:58):
Who was like so unhappy.

Speaker 2 (02:59):
Yeah, they were like, I'm so sick of talking of
like writing about Nixon.

Speaker 1 (03:03):
And Shakespeare's Haunted Stage. I'm getting a paycheck.

Speaker 2 (03:06):
Mine's tracking the Earth's energies. And look at this guy
who has like those crazy sticks that go in different directions.

Speaker 1 (03:12):
He looks like he has one of those hats on
that have like a pinwheel at the head and the top.
Oh Stephen, uh, thank you. Yeah, this is amazing. Steven
Reamorris from the per Cast podcast.

Speaker 2 (03:24):
We should actually put these down because now we're reading
books our podcast.

Speaker 1 (03:27):
Oh my god, that's how good they are. Like, we
can't terrify these are.

Speaker 2 (03:31):
I feel like these were on every coffee table in
the eighties. Yeah, we're like if you went to your
boring aunt's house and got stuck. My mom's classic thing
was sorry, it's adult time, so we would get like
banished into the TV room. And then if nothing good
was on TV because there were only four channels. Because
I'm sixty seven, God blessed the house that you went
to that had a Time Life series book on the

(03:53):
coffee table.

Speaker 1 (03:53):
Do you remember those people's houses you used to go to,
like friends or boyfriend's families when you were like staying
for Christmas or whatever, And it was like you had
memorized the one magazine that they had in the bathroom
because you went to the toilet too, a fucking escape
just to get away. So you knew the fucking the
fucking US Weekly from ten years ago, like it's more
like four. So but it's still somehow crazy outdated. Yes

(04:16):
that like I would have memorized every word of these
books as a kid. Yes, I would have just read
them over and over in a lands house. That's right.

Speaker 2 (04:22):
And nothing when I was a child was catered to us.
There was a box of toys that were entertaining when
we were under three and under, and then it was
like and if something goods on TV or even if something.
My boyfriend's here, bye, cool writer.

Speaker 1 (04:39):
We we've played. I remember this as a kid, like,
here's what it was like. We played with kitchen utensils
under my grandma's grand piano and you need to shut
the fuck up and play with this ladel from nineteen
sixty and like pretend it's something. Yes, just use your imagination.
Our tato masher ours was always just go outside because

(04:59):
we would.

Speaker 2 (05:00):
We're on a farm. There was all kinds of shit
you could be doing out. Now everyone has lime.

Speaker 1 (05:04):
Yeah, God, these children are tired. So thank you, Stephen.
You're the greatest. Yeah, Steven, we really appreciate your angel
human a couple.

Speaker 2 (05:15):
Should I just do some Twitter corners? Yeah, because there's
been some great stuff happening on our Twitter page. First
of all, Christa tweeted at us because Gary Condat is
going to appear on Doctor Phil.

Speaker 1 (05:27):
Shut up, Uh huh.

Speaker 2 (05:28):
He's going to discuss the Chandra Levy murder on Doctor Phil.

Speaker 1 (05:33):
Took me a minute because I'm so bad with names.
But now and then I'll make sense.

Speaker 2 (05:36):
Sorry I should have again. No, I'm just trying to
open this link so I can tell you exactly what's
gonna happen. But I could also ask my friend.

Speaker 1 (05:43):
Oh yeah, because it may have already been pained. Well,
so we know that now the person who got who
was a suspected of killing Chandra Levy, was let go,
and so they're starting to open up that maybe it
was Gary Condon, the former center.

Speaker 2 (05:58):
Well they're they're basically they exonerated the person who was
in jail for the murder, and they have reopened the investigation.
No one's named Gary kndit specifically, but we do know
that they've gone back in there looking into like basically
people who gave him what do you call that? Like,

(06:20):
I was there, albi alibi, they're called the eye was theirs.

Speaker 1 (06:26):
I was there when he wasn't killing her. I believe alibis. Man,
those things get shaky after fucking a couple of years,
that's right. And it's been quite some time, man, and
you always had another affair. And so his wife is like,
you know what, fuck this right, he wasn't at home
with me watching fucking Mattlocke.

Speaker 2 (06:43):
Yeah, I feel that's kind of the kind of the
key to like an old cold case totally. As you
get those people who are like, oh, Yeah, I remember
your awesome boyfriend that you would have done anything for
in nineteen eighty five, who is a murderer.

Speaker 1 (06:55):
And it turns out wasn't all that cool. He really
wasn't with me that night.

Speaker 2 (06:59):
It turned out he also love to give me the
back of his hand across the face offense, so I.

Speaker 1 (07:03):
Knew came home that night covered in blood.

Speaker 2 (07:06):
He was just he looked like a tomato. So anyhow,
that's gonna be on Doctor Phil. I can't find a date,
but no, that's exciting. The link is on our Twitter feed.

Speaker 1 (07:16):
Also.

Speaker 2 (07:16):
The other thing, I just wanted to give a shout
out because we had been talking last week about wow,
we hate carving pumpkins.

Speaker 1 (07:25):
Oh no, what happened?

Speaker 2 (07:27):
Well, Caroline sent us a picture of the most perfect
Halloween Jack Lennarn goals for us.

Speaker 1 (07:32):
And this is it.

Speaker 2 (07:34):
It's the tiniest face UH carved into a pumpkin, and
it made when I saw it, it made me laugh
so hard.

Speaker 1 (07:41):
It's it's like a it's like an emode. It's like
the size of an emoji and the face of an emoji,
like the happy face emote. It's that's all I want
in life. But then all the hugest pumpkins.

Speaker 2 (07:49):
So it's basically like this person took a pen and
stuck it into a pumpkin.

Speaker 1 (07:53):
It's so and then they were like, where's my wine
and where are my ritz crackers? I'm done. You can
laugh out loud, Stephen.

Speaker 2 (07:58):
That's good stuff, so beauty, so much, Caroline, because I
really loved that to the point where I faved it,
and then like the next day went, oh no, I
retweet that that's awesome and I couldn't find it, and
I this morning before work, I must have spent twenty
minutes trying to find this tweet.

Speaker 1 (08:15):
Can I have a quick quick pun corner? Please? Do
squad guards set of calls squad gords because it is
a god. Let me explain this. My comedy is like
kind of you know, like it's intellectual squad.

Speaker 2 (08:31):
It's written, it's read orm you gotta squad gords.

Speaker 1 (08:36):
That's really good, Like, give me a hot minute. MEMI
loves it. No, my god, Mimi's crying laughing. You can't
see it, but try. She looks so bored. That's amazing.
It's really good. Thank you.

Speaker 2 (08:49):
Oh and then the uh, we got that super awesome
for somebody I'll find her name right now. Her name
is just it's like a Haullinger. And she wrote an
article for the Week called why I Am a Murderino?

Speaker 1 (09:05):
That was And I love when people write article. It's
been you know, there hasn't been a lot, but when
they write them and they post photos that other people
of a like Murderino's fan art, Yeah, because it makes
it's so great to get other people's art out there.

Speaker 2 (09:19):
It's very cool. It's like it's one huge communal effort
kind of.

Speaker 1 (09:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (09:23):
Also, the name of the article is I am a Murderino.
I added the why because I can't not do that.
What did you say, why I am a murdering? Oh
that's weird.

Speaker 1 (09:32):
Well, you know what, So I want to go ahead
and give someone that we need to find on the
Facebook group credit for making up the word murderino. Yes,
because that person it's a dude and he's like, hey,
I came up with that, so we need to find him.
Oh yeah, someone. People are like not people. Some people
are like, let's get that fucking word in Webster's dictionary. Okay,

(09:53):
I mean, if too much for you, I hate stuff
like that, but I don't mean for us I mean that.
I mean that the word that that it means people
who are really into true crime. I don't mean like
from my favorite murder podcast. I mean like the people
who are into true crime, like who are you? What
do you do? I'm a murderina. I like that.

Speaker 2 (10:09):
I just feel like whenever we say the words like
let's get this going, then there's gonna be like, you know,
a bunch of people are like they want us to
do it, so let's do it, which I get.

Speaker 1 (10:19):
That's kind of stuff.

Speaker 2 (10:21):
Is of all the things we should be putting our
effort behind, let's get Trump in the White House. That's
the thing that I want everybody to really get feet
on the sidewalks about Karen.

Speaker 1 (10:31):
People are gonna think you're doing. I post something today
of like Hitler is Trump and like look at all
these photos, and someone was like, oh, thank god that
I thought I heard you last week say that you
were voting for Trump, and I'm and I got scared.

Speaker 2 (10:42):
You know what, if you're scared, goodbye, because that means
you don't have a sense of humor.

Speaker 1 (10:47):
Yeah. Please.

Speaker 2 (10:49):
I would say seventy five percent of the things I'm
saying are either sarcastic or lying. It's that's the kind
of the jungle of a personality.

Speaker 1 (10:57):
That I have. That's why I love you, man.

Speaker 2 (10:59):
Squad Gords, fucking squad Gords.

Speaker 1 (11:02):
Girl. Okay, I have something to talk about. Okay from Instagram.
You had Twitter corner, I have Instagram corner. That's right,
all right. I'm sitting at a bar as I do
on Saturday night, the Roost, which is one of my
favorite bars in La very cool place, dive as fuck,
hanging out with my friends, and then I like scroll

(11:23):
to Instagram and someone tagged me in something and I
open it and almost started crying and just turned it
to my friend and showed her, and she looked at
me like, you know, like one of those dude looks. Yeah,
have you seen this? Oh yeah, you sent that to me?
Oh right, okay, Well, so pillworm on Instagram, motherfucking got

(11:44):
a gorgeous tattoo that says stay sexy, don't get murdered.

Speaker 2 (11:48):
And am I wrong to say that? It looks like
I'm assuming that's a woman. Yeah, I just because that's
the usual.

Speaker 1 (11:54):
I think it's on her like back shoulder, Yeah, but
it's like across her back shoulder, big old, big I
just wonder, like what if it turns out, oh, you know,
we were serious about Trump And she's like, oh fuck,
I have this tattoo when these awful people are like,
oh no, we're racist as fuck.

Speaker 2 (12:12):
She's like, wait a second, I just right as the
tattoo machine is like zting, there you go sixty five dollars.

Speaker 1 (12:20):
It's a beautiful tattoo and it's by a girl named
her Underjaw Tattoos. JIW Tattoos made it. It's like really
well done in gorgeous tattoo and I'm like in awe
of it.

Speaker 2 (12:30):
It's beautiful. And I have to say you sent me
that picture. My sister sent it to me, Adrian sent
it to me, and April sent it to me, like
I got it was like ding ding ding ding ding.

Speaker 1 (12:40):
There's another one too that I just we can't I have.
I feel like we have to give credit to because
it's like this tattoo that she pill worm God is
me in my twenties. This tattoo that this other girl
is me in my like teens. Yeah, and it's a poke.
It's a poky tattoo that you do when uh you
just underneath this beautiful tattoo of my leg are the

(13:01):
initials of my best friend from when I was fourteen
with Indian ink. And so this girl did that. I'm
just going to keep talking until I find it says
fuck politeness. She and she said it's a stick and poke. Yeah,
I guess it's called yeah, and she wrote fuck politeness
and stick and poke. And her name is Paulina with
three a's and an underscore at the end, and you

(13:23):
can see her tattoo. It's on our it's on Twitter,
up on Instagram. Yeah, yeah, good man, it's very cool.
I fucking dig it.

Speaker 2 (13:29):
I mean it's nice that it's uh, there are things
that people really that's resonating and making people feel good
and things that they like and that are enhancing their lives.

Speaker 1 (13:40):
Considering that just the amount of shit that comes out
of our mouth that we just don't think twice about.
And then like you know what I'm saying, My Trump
material is all you're talking about again. It comes out
of Karen's mouth. No, I was at the bar and
I almost started crying, and I'm so fucking honored and
it's amazing, it's awesome.

Speaker 2 (13:56):
Okay, this is a this is like we'll call this
Laura corner because my sister, the lurker called the other
kill Gerra, the other white kill Gerra. She loves the
Facebook page and goes on there all the time. She's
so touched by the fact that there's all these rad
people talking to each other, supporting each other.

Speaker 1 (14:17):
You know, her sister. What's up about her sister? Right, No,
she's my sister, yeah, yeah, but.

Speaker 2 (14:25):
Yes, but also talking about she's all so nice nice.
I mean, everyone's just cool and chill. So but she
found this and it's her favorite. It's a guy named
Dylan who's in the army, and he wrote and said,
I'm in the army and I always give a short,
semi serious statement to the service personnel I supervise on
Friday before we leave for the weekend. Usually I end

(14:46):
with something like be safe, don't die. But today I said,
stay sexy, don't get murdered, and then just walked away
to a bunch of guys in the military. The funny
looks I got made it totally worth it.

Speaker 1 (14:57):
Just wanted to share that I love you, Oh my god,
thank you for your service. Thank you for all the
people you freaked out for their service, but also the
idea that we crossed over into a military. Who what
do you know? Me?

Speaker 2 (15:12):
Hi?

Speaker 1 (15:12):
Hi, that is the coolest. It's so crazy. And oh,
I also want to give a shout out speaking of
everyone being cool and awesome on the Facebook group, the
moderators are fucking they're you know, amazing. They they bust
their setting school of everyone and it's the best. Thank
you guys. Yeah, what else? Uh? Let me look at
my list?

Speaker 2 (15:32):
I made a list in a font that looks like
it's if there is a four or two font.

Speaker 1 (15:36):
That's what I did. Because it's tiny and I can't
see you can't see anything. Oh, here it is.

Speaker 2 (15:41):
Go And we got lots of people reached out to
tell us about this, uh, because it happened in Sacramento.
The woman who was walking up the street with a
head on a stick. Did you hear about this story?
You didn't, am I want to telling you first, a head.

Speaker 1 (16:02):
On a stick girl? Fuck Sacramento. You guys have some
fucking ethere. It's a Floodplaine and no one has anything
to do. Everyone's just half in shit. They're just hot,
you know what I mean. It's like there's there's fumes
coming up from melting ass. You know what? Else, Well,
everyone has fucking lime there, I promise you, because you
run through a full if you went through a field

(16:23):
a cornfield, limelme li lime lime, and then your your
brain goes crazy. It's true. I mean, I can't argue this.
But then then you put a fucking head on a soap.

Speaker 2 (16:32):
Apparently this woman had found a dead body in an
abandoned homeless encampment. Why that's somewhere, And I actually looked
it up on a map because I was like, where
where did this happen? Like all I could picture was
myself in the late eighties early nineties, driving all hot
and bummed out in Sacramento and then looking over on

(16:53):
the sidewalk and a woman with a head on it?

Speaker 1 (16:56):
Now or would Here's what my problem is is I
would be the person who's who would come upon that
abandoned homeless encampment and want to search through it?

Speaker 2 (17:06):
Well yeah, I mean yeah you would if you're like
out in the woods or something, and then all of
a sudden it's like, oh, people lived here, but they're
not here anymore.

Speaker 1 (17:13):
Why it's like detectiving. You're like, well, there's got to
be a note so seats that show when they were there.

Speaker 2 (17:20):
The story with the article I read was limited information.
I feel like more more to come. But it seems
like this woman herself is homeless, and the first article
I read said head on a stick, But then when
I looked into it, it was a skull on a stick.

Speaker 1 (17:35):
So it's not going to be.

Speaker 2 (17:37):
As totally nightmare town as it seemed like as they
were kind of selling it.

Speaker 1 (17:43):
But still the media was making something seem more that's
crazy even but they in the picture it was pixelated,
so there's a chance that there was some bad action
on that skull.

Speaker 2 (17:56):
So anyway, I'm very interested to see what the next
phase of life. So obviously they took her. She that
everybody saw her walking down the street.

Speaker 1 (18:04):
Why did you do that? Well, here's my theory is
either maybe she was mute or she knew that there
would be a communication problem if she said I found
a dead body, she wouldn't be able to express herself correctly.
You think she was mentally disabled, Well, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (18:18):
I mean, she's a homeless person and her choice was
to put a head on a stick and walk up
on the street there. But also she decided to put
a head on a stick and walk up the street.
So I think she probably was like, this is going
to be the quickest way to get help.

Speaker 1 (18:34):
And I don't want to touch it, and I'm gonna
put on a stick.

Speaker 2 (18:37):
I'm not gonna put it on the top of my head.

Speaker 1 (18:39):
I'm not gonna put it on my fist and like
use it as a puppet. Oh no, I'm being distressed.

Speaker 2 (18:43):
It's all so bad anyway, So we will. I'm going
to keep my eye out for that story and what
even what all of that is.

Speaker 1 (18:50):
You know, it's so bananas to me, and like of
these stories that you hear and then you'll never hear
about it again. I know, it sees like this person
got killed in the hit and run accident and then
you just never hear about it again.

Speaker 2 (19:02):
Well, the bummer too, is like if this this was
an abandoned homeless encampment and somebody died there and who
knows what the circumstances were, but they said the body
was had been there for a while, so they you know,
they probably won't be able to get a lot of information,
and then it's just going to be like, yeah, and that's.

Speaker 1 (19:20):
What happened, and like someone hasn't heard from their brother
in taking fifteen years. Oh my god, I'm making myself
want to cry. I know.

Speaker 2 (19:26):
So anyway, there's crime all around us, but especially in Sacramento.

Speaker 1 (19:29):
Everything's the worst. Just look for the best things in life.
Get cats, get a dog. The dogs are good too.
Uh should we do our podcasts? No? Any other info?
Do you have an update? Oh, shirt shirt corner. Yes,
it's like shirt corner. No, it's actually good right now

(19:50):
so we're still at on Shopify. We're still at my
Favorite Murder Shirts dot com man, this shit is like, uh,
it's great. Yeah, so right now we have a new shirt,
a new just it's like newer and like not like
when you've seen before. It's designed by Catsullman, and she
sent it to me one random late night and I
was like, what do you think of this? And I
am started crying because it was so cool. It looks
like it looks like you went to camp or you

(20:13):
went to like a family reunion and everyone got this shirt. Yes,
so it says my favorite murder and there's like mountains
and then it says buy your own shit, get a job. Sorry,
it says get a job, buy your own shit. Stay
out of the Forest, which is from a couple a
few many episodes ago. But it's so charming and funny

(20:33):
and a little forest on it. Four it looks like
a fucking camp shirt.

Speaker 2 (20:37):
It's like, you went to camp my favorite murder and
then yeah eighty seven and then you've got to bring
this home.

Speaker 1 (20:42):
And for the first time ever, there's tank tops.

Speaker 2 (20:44):
Oh that's a lot of people wanted those.

Speaker 1 (20:46):
I know. Girls are like, I have big boobs and
I can't wear a T shirt? Can I plays up
a fucking tank top? And I'm like, I've never thought
of that. I have acups. Let's do it.

Speaker 2 (20:54):
Yeah, yeah, I mean, look, we need that feedback so
we hear we're sensitive to every cup.

Speaker 1 (21:00):
Sure that was too much information.

Speaker 2 (21:04):
Well, it's a fact of life. And when Hillary Clinton
as president, you're gonna have to deal with everybody's cups
every single day. That's the truth. This time, I'm being sincere.

Speaker 1 (21:13):
We start every conversation with our cup size and then
we move on.

Speaker 2 (21:18):
All right, it's my turn to go first this week.

Speaker 1 (21:20):
It's absolutely not. It is, but I don't care. No, no, no,
you went first last week. No I didn't. I went first.
I had the eyeball killer, and you went you're right. No,
right up to the second you're positive. I'm telling you, man,

(21:41):
I can argue anything, even though I don't know or
believe it. I can. Just I'm glad.

Speaker 2 (21:47):
I was like, shit, okay, me too, this is this one. Uh,
let's get okay, everybody calmed down. The reason that I
this is my murder this week is because Guy Branham,

(22:07):
a friend of the show hilarious comedian, asked me if
I had heard of these killings, and he was good,
He's so good. And when he said what they were,
I was like, my brain wrote an entire thing of
what it meant.

Speaker 1 (22:26):
One of those names. Yeah. And then so.

Speaker 2 (22:32):
It takes place in the Philippines and they're called them
My Way killings.

Speaker 1 (22:36):
Okay, so let me paint the picture for you a
little bit.

Speaker 2 (22:39):
It will be a little bit confusing at the beginning,
but I'm just gonna run down a little information for
you and then it'll all become clear.

Speaker 1 (22:45):
Get at it, get addict, get up into that attic. Okay.

Speaker 2 (22:52):
So, I don't know if you guys know this. I
didn't until I started looking into this. That Philippine knows
love karaoke. They fucking love it as a nation. It's
basically their national pastime. Okay, almost every Philippine home has
a karaoke maschione.

Speaker 1 (23:13):
Who they would hate me? It's why because you why
because I can't sing for shit, and I'm scared of karaoke.
It's I'm scared of karaoke. Well, we'll talk about that,
but it's so let's get this about me, me me.
Uh So they every every birthday party, every holiday party,

(23:36):
and they have so many karaoke and videoke, which is
a different version of karaoke where you get scored against
other people that are doing karaoke that scores you the machine.

Speaker 2 (23:49):
Holy So it's how many there's another thing that's like that.

Speaker 1 (23:52):
Maybe it's banned Jesus Christ. Uh sorry, I just hit
my man. Machines are fucking taken over and judging us now,
and they are, oh, guitar Hero. It's a little bit
like Guitar Hero, where.

Speaker 2 (24:05):
It knows if you're hitting the right notes right and
so you get a score for video ke. So it
actually gets very competitive in the bar. So if you're
singing like, it's whoever's getting the best score on their song?

Speaker 1 (24:17):
Can we all just chill please?

Speaker 2 (24:19):
I mean so in the Philippines, there's KTVs, which stands
for Karaoke Television, and that bar is wholesome. It's like
your whole family can go there. People have parties there
or whatever. Okay, they cater to all ages, they serve food.
There's private rooms. Then there's regular karaoke bars that are
laid back. You have a drink, you embarrass yourself publicly.

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That's the whole idea of it. Good times.

Speaker 1 (24:43):
Don't go there if you want to just chill. It's
like there's singing it's fine.

Speaker 2 (24:46):
Yeah exactly, or it's funny and you're gonna get drunk
and whatever. Sometimes there's even a live band to do
vocals with that is awesome. But then there's nightclubs and
their nightclub the thing that are called nightclubs in the
Philippines are basically strip clubs with karaoke and there's exotic dancing.
There's back rooms that feature more than just singing. That's

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direct directly from an article, that is more than just
saying well. So basically they have women who work there
that they're called guest service officers I think guest service officers,
and they're basically like strippers that are paid to sit
with the guys at the tables.

Speaker 1 (25:30):
They have those in Japan. They're not strippers for sure,
they're you know, but they are sit and have a
conversation like hosts. Yes, they're hostesses. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (25:38):
Yeah, yeah, we're going to.

Speaker 1 (25:40):
I feel like it.

Speaker 2 (25:41):
The basically they're trying to get a bunch of things
done at once at their nightclub, so they kind of
offer all.

Speaker 1 (25:46):
These different to get people in exactly. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (25:50):
Even in remote villages, families living in bamboo huts will
have a karaoke machine and their yeah, which is it's amazing.
And so the world's first karaoke machine was invented, was
called the Juke eight and it was built by a
Japanese inventor and musician named Daisuki Inui in nineteen seventy one.

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But the current patent holder is the Filipino inventor Roberto
del Rosario and he developed the karaoke sing along system
in nineteen seventy five. So it's basically like it's their
hometown invention.

Speaker 1 (26:28):
That's awesome.

Speaker 2 (26:29):
And also everybody has heard of because singing is really
like a huge thing in the pop culture in the Philippines.
You've probably heard of Arnelle Pineda but he is the
Filipino singer that replaced Steve Perry in the band Journey.
He was in a Journey cover band.

Speaker 1 (26:47):
Oh yeah, and.

Speaker 2 (26:48):
He when Steve Perry had throat stuff and he couldn't.

Speaker 1 (26:51):
Tour and they were looking for their replacement.

Speaker 2 (26:53):
It's this guy who sounds egg exactly like Steve on YouTube.

Speaker 1 (26:58):
Man, it's amazing, out of control, he's incredible.

Speaker 2 (27:01):
And they found him from from uh you know, I
get Oh No, I don't know how they found him.

Speaker 1 (27:09):
I think it was I think his YouTube karaoke of
Stephen shut Perry, is it, yes, Steve Perry.

Speaker 2 (27:17):
Well, it's he had a cover He had a Journey
cover band that I think they somehow maybe someone sent
him video.

Speaker 1 (27:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (27:22):
But there's also the there's a little girl named Cherie
who was Filipino and her YouTube video was so popular,
got sent to Oprah and she appeared on Obrah when
she's ten, and her singing voice is incredible.

Speaker 1 (27:37):
Can you lose her? I start crying when it. I
don't cry, I start crying when I see this ship. Man. Yes,
like little talented kids like that, like little talented kids
who are not trained to be these talented people. You know,
what I mean, like, aren't trained natural? Yeah, yeah, exactly,
gott to be on Oprah so beautiful.

Speaker 2 (27:53):
So they so they say, uh, basically, so I was
looking into, like it's why is singing this popular in
the Philippines. And just a little background, Nearly fifty percent
of the people who live in the Philippines, and that's
estimated eighty seven million people live on less than two

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dollars a day, and many are forced to eke out
a living selling scrap brick a brac or begging. A
lot of impoverished neighborhoods, the karaoke machine is the one
luxury that the whole community gets to enjoy and doesn't
do it out. So basically that's their only entertainment and

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it's the closest to a lot of them get to
come to escape besides drinking and whatever. It's like you
have a little moment where you know you can kind.

Speaker 1 (28:44):
Of be good.

Speaker 2 (28:44):
And also I looked it up. Researcher is there's a
Time magazine article that was written in twenty thirteen about
the positive effects of singing way and they researchers does
I'm just reading from this article thing.

Speaker 1 (29:04):
But they researchers discovered.

Speaker 2 (29:07):
Singing is like an infusion of the perfect tranquilizer, the
kind that both sues your nerves and.

Speaker 1 (29:13):
Elevates your spirits.

Speaker 2 (29:16):
You feel elated when you sing, which comes from it endorphins,
a hormone released by singing, which is associated with feelings
of pleasure, and you also release oxytocin, which is a
chemical that's found to alleviate anxiety and stress, and it
enhances feelings of trust and bonding, bonding, which explains why

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more studies have found that singing lessons feelings of depression
and loneliness. A very recent study even attempts to make
the case that music evolved as a tool of social
living and the pleasure that comes from singing together is
our evolutionary reward for coming together cooperatively instead of hiding
alone in a by yoursel.

Speaker 1 (30:01):
Yeah. That is fucking heavy and intense, I know, crazy,
and like makes me want to sing a lot more
to myself. Mm hmm.

Speaker 2 (30:10):
It's also make When I read that, I was like, Oh,
that's why I immediately start crying when I hear like
gospel music, when like amazing or amazing choral music, or
like musicals.

Speaker 1 (30:20):
Well, when I go to like temple. The rare times
I go to temple and we sing these songs in
a language I don't understand, but I know what it means.
And we all know the words in Hebrew, which is
fucking crazy because I don't speak Hebrew. It's this beautiful
like it feels yeah, it feels like community.

Speaker 2 (30:39):
Yes, yeah, and that feeling, it's like it's doing the
work for you being there and being submerged in that sound,
bonding you to those people that.

Speaker 1 (30:50):
You're doing it with.

Speaker 2 (30:51):
Fuck, it's very cool.

Speaker 1 (30:52):
I'm gonna not I'm gonna not hide my voice. Next
time Vince and I are driving and he puts a
song on that I know because I'm like, sing really quietly, no,
go for it. Who cares? I mean.

Speaker 2 (31:02):
That's the other thing is I've always been like a
big loud I came up on like the Anti Cast album,
so like just big loud nose. Singing has always been
my thing. But it's very It's also I think part
of for me, singing is so embarrassing because it's so
personal that once you do it, I think people respond

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to it because they know how hard it is.

Speaker 1 (31:25):
It's like public speaking or anything. I'm amazed and I've
seen you sing, and I'm amazed. I can't. I'm so
in awe of people who can draw things that don't
look like nothing close to what it's supposed to be,
and people who can sing. It's just it's amazing to me. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (31:40):
When I first started singing, though, like doing songs on
stage the Firs, I would say, the first fifteen times
I did it, it was very quiet, like I couldn't
breathe very well, and it was just so, But I
just kept doing it anyway somehow, I don't know why.

Speaker 1 (31:55):
It's life anyway. Sorry, off of me, unfortunately, I'm going
to change just object off of myself and Nay.

Speaker 2 (32:03):
All these factors are.

Speaker 1 (32:06):
Uh uh part.

Speaker 2 (32:08):
Of that cultural phenomenon. It's basically these people are figuring
out how to self soothe, and it's like life is
really hard. There's you know a lot of people like
have it hard and you know, live it's it's also
a very violent place. There's a ton of illegal guns there,
there's a lot of machismo culturally, a lot of fighting,

(32:28):
and it's so so there's the need for that kind
of release valve and that's where they find it, which
is actually really beautiful totally. So all of these factors,
UH contribute to a disturbing phenomenon that's taken place.

Speaker 1 (32:46):
In the past decade. There have been over a dozen
murders of people singing the song my Way, Stop your
fucking Are you fucking kidding me? That's where it got
to that, that song losing my Mind. Like you said
that everything leading up to this was beautiful. I really

(33:07):
led you down the stony. Really, I thought it was
like and then Venor got killed. I do not expect
the craziest thing I've ever heard in my life. I'm
so excited. Isn't it so good? It's so so good.

Speaker 2 (33:18):
When guys said that to me, he was like, have
you heard of the my Way murders and the Philippines.
I was just like, immediately, like, please, let there be
a serial killer that goes around to karaoke bars and
only kills people in their car after the thing whatever.

Speaker 1 (33:29):
You know what I was gonna say. I was going
to say, I didn't know what was gonna be, and
I was like, oh, my Way must be a place
in fucking the Philippines. My Way, Philip, you know, it's
like that's how you say emmy my Way and it's
gonna be that. No, this is so much more intriguing.
It's so good because so sucks. I'm so sorry for yeah,
tell me everything. It's rough.

Speaker 2 (33:50):
So On May twenty ninth, two thousand and seven, a
twenty nine year old karaoke singer of the song my
Way and It's if you haven't heard it, it's the
Frank Sinatra hit from nineteen sixty nine. It was written
by Paul Anka and it's basically a biographical song. It
was written for Frank Sinatra. It's just basically like, my
career has been like this because I fucking did it
my way. Yes, it's been hard, but also I kicked

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ass and it's super braggy, raggedoci it.

Speaker 1 (34:15):
It's basically, fuck yourself to fuck yourself. I did it
my way right, it's a bit self inspired, but also
fuck you. Frank Nasre's dick. I hate that guy. Do
you hate Frank fucking Hey? I think he's a dick.

Speaker 2 (34:27):
Well, I love him, and so now we're going to fight.

Speaker 1 (34:30):
God read what he did to fucking Mia Pharaoh. Oh no,
I know. Yeah, it's that's rough stuff. Okay, sorry, no, no,
it's okay.

Speaker 2 (34:38):
Uh So A twenty nine year old karaoke singer of
the song my Way at a bar in San Matteo
Rizal was shot dead as he sang the tune by
the bar security guard, who was arrested after the incident.
According to reports, the guard complained that the young man's
rendition was off key, and when the victim refused to
stop singing, the guard pulled out a thirty eight Haliber

(35:00):
pistol and shot him dead. Uh So this this is
the other thing about the song my Way. It's pretty
hard to sing because it's in this weird key where
it's low it goes up high. But there's when you're
in the low part, especially if you're drunk, it's like no, but.

Speaker 1 (35:18):
There is a casual drunkness to it too, the way
Franksatra sings it that it's just like an I actually
don't care that much about the you know.

Speaker 2 (35:26):
Yeah, it's almost talk singing in certain yeah, and it's
it's very it's like a long song. It's it's draggy
and it's sad.

Speaker 1 (35:33):
It could be like depressing if you're in a bar
drinking and you just want to fucking hang out, right exactly.

Speaker 2 (35:38):
So, Uh, it's actually become such a problem that that
song has been taken off of most karaoke bar song
lists because people don't want the problem. They don't want already.

Speaker 1 (35:50):
I'm freaked. I thought it was one guy who's going
around doing this.

Speaker 2 (35:53):
It's just like a Okay, it's a It's basically it's
a thing that causes people to fight and murder.

Speaker 1 (36:00):
Dude, Uh dude, I'm gonna lose so fucking crazy. Okay.
Uh So. There was actually an article in New York
Times about it, and the writer asked, are the killings
the natural byproduct of the country's culture of violence, drinking
and machismo, or is there something or is there something

(36:22):
inherently sinister about the song which is kind of funny,
like it's a cursed song that you will die at
the end, or you know, it was one the first
person who is mentally unstable who brought us thirty eight
to work and killed a guy and then everyone else
is copying him. Yes, so next so anyways, moving Sorry.

Speaker 2 (36:38):
Well but no, that's it's a good theory.

Speaker 1 (36:44):
There.

Speaker 2 (36:44):
Most of those karaoke bars that I was describing to
earlier are really violent places anyway. It's like people are
going there to blow off steam. They're going there to
get shit faced. Yeah, there's a lot of steam to
be blown off, and so there's there's lots of fights anyway.

Speaker 1 (37:00):
So there's nefarious people who are there anyways.

Speaker 2 (37:02):
Yes, but they often fight over bad singing and the
singing of boring song.

Speaker 1 (37:08):
I could see that.

Speaker 2 (37:09):
And so they're saying it could just reflect the popularity
of the song combined with the popularity of karaoke, combined
with the violent and the.

Speaker 1 (37:18):
Competitive nature too of it.

Speaker 2 (37:20):
That's exactly right, because that one videok or whatever, it
literally scores you. So you're in a bar, you're trying
to have a good time on a Friday night. You've
got the hired gals here and the real gals over here,
and you're going up there and you're trying to be cool.

Speaker 1 (37:36):
You don't want to suck and in your drunk mind.

Speaker 2 (37:39):
I mean, how many times you've been to karaoke where
someone's like, I'm going to sing like what if God
was one of us or something where you're like.

Speaker 1 (37:46):
Please don't do to us. Fuck you, Yeah, I know
you're showing off sing something with your fucking friends.

Speaker 2 (37:51):
Don't sing Norah Jones at a karaoke bar Oh my god,
you can't sing like Nora Jones.

Speaker 1 (37:57):
Just get get some.

Speaker 2 (37:58):
Should I stay or should I go? Let people have
a good time.

Speaker 1 (38:00):
The cars always good cars. Blondie's probably always good Blondie cars.
Just shut the fuck up. Don't fucking Fiona Apple? All right?

Speaker 2 (38:09):
Yeah, yeah, don't bring that. Don't bring that sadness to
your own door. No, don't bring me down. Uh no,
another great blow?

Speaker 1 (38:18):
All right?

Speaker 2 (38:19):
So, uh, I lost my spot.

Speaker 1 (38:23):
I can keep talking and naming songs people should sing.
Do you want now?

Speaker 2 (38:28):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (38:29):
It's ship. This is all repetitive. What was the second murder?
Tell me the second murder hit? I'm gonna first tell
I'm gonna tell everyone in the meantime. Yeah about uh
huh uh.

Speaker 2 (38:39):
I got the thing where I click and it flicks
me back to the top, and then I lose my spot.

Speaker 1 (38:43):
The only time I've done karaoke where I was like
that was the fucking coolest is I did it at
a bowling alley and Eagle Rock and they happen to
have Dead Kennedy's on there. They happened it was kill
the Poor, which is like not It wasn't like the.

Speaker 2 (38:54):
Gus that starcasm just in case.

Speaker 1 (38:56):
Yeah, it was no, no, no. It was a song called
Kill the Poor. No I know, okay, Uh, I'm sorry,
I fucking killed it. Like I already knew those songs
because I was fourteen and obsessed to Kennedy's Yes, I
I just fucking know. I had a couple of beers already,
but people went crazy. My three friends that were there
and the rest of the empty bar. Yeah, like yeah,

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the high five.

Speaker 2 (39:19):
Yeah, that's the opposite of the One of the few
times I've done karaoke is my friend put my name
in without telling Oh, fuck you, and you know what
songs she picked for me? Oh no, nothing compares to you.

Speaker 1 (39:30):
That's kind of cute, though, No.

Speaker 2 (39:32):
It isn't because talk about my way. It's a dirge.
It's just like, you're right.

Speaker 1 (39:36):
Divn't gun what am?

Speaker 2 (39:44):
No, it doesn't matter.

Speaker 1 (39:45):
I'm sorry. Everyone's gonna tweet at us right now and
be like, yeah, but Karen, that was better than I've
ever said it in my life. Stop. Here's the thing.
You can.

Speaker 2 (39:52):
You can you can have the best singing voice in
the world. Don't do it to us. It's that that
was basically like a prank song.

Speaker 1 (40:00):
It's I am you have to be able to murder
people if they put your name down without you knowing
it on that is unacceptable.

Speaker 2 (40:09):
Yeah, that's actually I just shouldn't have gone. But it
was one of those things where there were so few people.

Speaker 1 (40:14):
And they're like Karen, Karen, Karen, and then they're like, baha,
get up there. But you're cometing. You're supposed to have
a sense of humor. Yeah, you can't trust us.

Speaker 2 (40:23):
Here's the thing, there's such a problem with violence in
karaoke bars that they actually hire gay men or transsexual men.
They call them baklas, and there they are there to
diffuse the undercurrent of tension with the male patrons of
karaoke bars because they're not seen as rivals for the

(40:43):
women and they're not seen as rivals for the singing,
so they're just and they're there and they it's basically
drag queen comedy, like they come in and make jokes
and like it all. It basically keeps the tension down.

Speaker 1 (40:56):
But most poor that's beautiful. It really is nice.

Speaker 2 (41:00):
But it also is kind of funny that that's the
amount of competition and tension in those bars is so
extreme that that.

Speaker 1 (41:09):
Happened, you know, in the very beginning of the story,
they sounded so chill, and it sounded like families were there.
Well yeah, but no, but there are places in this world.
There's got to be chuck e cheeses that are fucking dangerous.
Man that that fucking in somewhere in in the Inland Empire,
New Jersey or the Inland Empire. Fucking that's where mobsters me.

Speaker 2 (41:29):
Yeah, you don't want to You one bad drunk dad
near the pizza station and you're like, oh, this is
a ruined Saturday.

Speaker 1 (41:35):
And then he gets fucking cement shoes and gets thrown
to the ball pit. Oh the mafia guy.

Speaker 2 (41:41):
I'm sorry, here's a really.

Speaker 1 (41:43):
Good quote, and I will wrap it up here. No,
I love this guy.

Speaker 2 (41:48):
Is this guy that got interviewed for that New York
Times article said, in the Philippines's life is difficult, difficult,
and he is a man who repairs watches at a
street kiosk. There's corruption, it's a weak economy that's driven
a lot of Filipinos to work overseas. His own wife
is a maid in Lebanon, and so he says, but

(42:08):
you know, we have a saying don't worry about your problems.
Let your problems worry about you. Yeah, that's right, So
that's they're just trying to deal. I Also, there's just
a couple on the Wikipedia page they had other karaoke
rage incidents in other countries, which is kind of funny

(42:28):
just saying it's not Some people get really competitive about karaoke.
There have been several reported cases of singers being assaulted, shot,
or stabbed mid performance, usually over how the songs are sung.
In Malaysia, a man in two thousand and eight in
a coffee shop was performing and he hogged the karaoke
microphone so long that he was stabbed to death by

(42:50):
other patrons plural.

Speaker 1 (42:52):
All and everyone had a knife on them. Yeah, what
if it was like butter knives butter knives.

Speaker 2 (42:56):
So it's like took forever to stab.

Speaker 1 (43:00):
And this is rough.

Speaker 2 (43:02):
In Thai Land, a man was arrested because he shot
eight of his neighbors to death, one of whom was
his own brother in law, because they were singing take
Me Home, Country Roads repeatedly and terribly.

Speaker 1 (43:17):
We've talked about my ex roommate who just sang moonshadows.
I played the bass and sang moonshadows. Just into the night.
I'm being followed by a moonshadow. That's all. Wait, what's
the other one? Yeah? That one? That over and and
she was a bass player, so she was playing it
on bass like it wasn't even guitar. Oh my god.

(43:38):
So I get it. Yeah, I murdered her.

Speaker 2 (43:40):
To a man hacked two other men to death with
a meat cleaver over a fight over a karaoke microphone
in China one time.

Speaker 1 (43:51):
Who the fuck new? I mean, it's it's pretty intense.
I mean I get it. I get angry at karaoke
when I get an evite to a friend, a friend's
birthday party at a karaoke like private room. Yes, like
I don't want to. I want to go sit at
the bar and talk to you. Yeah, And you.

Speaker 2 (44:08):
Don't want to watch you sing abba bad.

Speaker 1 (44:10):
And like drink so much sake that I have a headache, Yeah,
and pay eighteen dollars for chicken wings.

Speaker 2 (44:17):
Well, be grateful that you live in a country where
you basically don't have to sing karaoke all the time,
because it sounds like that's kind of just what people do.

Speaker 1 (44:26):
Oh, that's true. It's like you can't be like, no,
I'd rather go bowling. No, everyone's like bowling. That's not
a thing here? Are you crazy? We don't do that?
I mean, can we start ski bowling instead of karaoke?
Do you know how happy that would make me? Do
you know how shot you would get everybody? Yeah? That's
my murder. I'm done that. I love that. It's pretty good. Right.

(44:47):
I would have never known about that.

Speaker 2 (44:49):
I know me either, but I really I have to
admit I really did want it to be just one
guy in like a trench coat who would watch you
sing my Way and then kill you in the parking lot.

Speaker 1 (44:59):
Well, we're gonna write that. Nicholas Cage. Are you available?
I feel like you might be. I have a sinking sensation.

Speaker 2 (45:06):
You're going to be a gritty cop, a gritty X
cop hired as a security guard.

Speaker 1 (45:10):
Where's where's Linda Poe come in? Where is he?

Speaker 2 (45:13):
He's doing a lot of Snacker's commercials right now, But
I think we could get him on this project.

Speaker 1 (45:19):
We're just hard workers. It's your time to shine, all right,
mine's some I think this episode is a pop culture episode. Okay,
And we actually touched on this, and I didn't. I
didn't go as deep into this earlier as I wanted to,
because I was like, we're getting into my murder territory,

(45:40):
all right, Karen, Yes, nineteen ninety five.

Speaker 2 (45:43):
I remember.

Speaker 1 (45:44):
Do you remember what you used to do when you'd
come home from school or when you'd wake up at
three pm and you'd sit down with a bowl of cereal? Karen?
Would you watch daytime talk shows like Maury Povich? Yes,
and like Jenny Joe thank you? Yeah, and for example
yeah yo, yeah, all right, So this this was I

(46:09):
want to I feel like with a lot of young
listeners who don't know what it was like back then,
before the reality TV shows, we had uh daytime talk
shows that were introducing us to interesting characters and fucked
up things, and it was all sillacious and shitty and tawdry,
but it was fascinating and amazing and sometimes great some of.

Speaker 2 (46:30):
The And then sometimes there would just be makeovers.

Speaker 1 (46:32):
Something I was gonna say, so there would be I wrote,
like a couple of things. Light detector cheating, So like
a guy would come out in the megade cheating on me,
light detector out of control.

Speaker 2 (46:43):
Teens just love that. Send him that boot camp, send
them boom right in their face.

Speaker 1 (46:47):
Yes, scream in their face, and then I wrote fucked
up Makeovers, Yeah, because I always like, you don't dress
like a mom, because you're wrong, and they always rhyme.
They always rhyme, and then there would be a weird
entrance where they would walk down like a fake hat
walk at the end. Oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (47:01):
But to me, I was always like, I liked you
better when you had that weird leopard print tank.

Speaker 1 (47:06):
You look so boring now, yeah, yeah that, and then
the audience would just scream shit. It was just like
a free for all. Yeah, and it was fun, good time,
and then we watched the shit out of that. Yeah.
So one of those people that had a show because
everyone was getting them at the time, but I actually
liked the show a lot was The Jenny Jones Show.

(47:27):
And Jenny Jones had been I don't know when.

Speaker 2 (47:29):
She was a stand up Jenny Jones was a stand
up comic. I will just slide this one in please,
who was on she and she always wore a tiny
blue sequin dress for her sets. She had really big
blonde hair. She was basically kind of like the cheesecake
stand up comic girl that was like I look like this,

(47:49):
but no, I'm gonna know, I'm gonna get real and
tell you stuff like this. So it was like she
would be quote unquote playing against her own type sure
in her stand up comedy.

Speaker 1 (47:58):
Well, thank you for doing my research, because I totally
meant to do that, No problem. So all right, a
lot of fucked up, Oh, a lot of fucked up episodes.
Hold on, let's get to March sixth, nineteen ninety five,
when an episode was taped that was the premise was

(48:20):
people revealing their crushes. All right, So one guy named
Jonathan Schmitz, who's twenty six. He's brought in under the
guys of someone has a big secret crush on you,
and the crush will be revealed on stage.

Speaker 2 (48:33):
Okay, I just have to say, in a setup like this,
I feel like this is everyone's dream come true.

Speaker 1 (48:39):
Like, isn't that we all want it to be? On
this this stuff of Like.

Speaker 2 (48:43):
But even aside from being on TV, the idea of
someone going someone likes.

Speaker 1 (48:47):
You, I've been obsessed with you and I'm I'm crazy
about you.

Speaker 2 (48:51):
Like when your friend goes, oh my god, you know
who likes you. Isn't that like basically a high point
of life? That's kind of like totally.

Speaker 1 (48:57):
We all live for when you find out and it's like,
I don't know, I feel like this is so nineties
and such a like we passed notes. We didn't have
writing on people's message boards and social media. Yeah, we
passed notes, and we passed rumors and gossip through our friends,
and there was no other way of fucking handling it exactly.

Speaker 2 (49:16):
You couldn't find out what anybody was doing or where
anyone was going.

Speaker 1 (49:19):
Was all gossip, all gossip. What the producers didn't tell
Jonathan was that the actual name of the show was
Same Sex Crushes revealed. They didn't tell him that Jonathan
was straight. So he goes on the show, as he says,
out of curiosity. He later claims that the producers implied

(49:42):
that the admirer was a woman, so they didn't they
didn't keep him in the dark. They told him as
a woman, although they claim they didn't tell him that.
And they told him that he would meet the girl
of his dreams. Oh. So he's on stage and they're
like building it up as they do. I mean, these

(50:03):
shows were great at doing this kind of thing. Yeah,
and the secret admirer comes out and it's Scott Bernard.

Speaker 2 (50:11):
It.

Speaker 1 (50:11):
Oh god, I meant to look this up, am dure.
And he was in acquaintance of Schmidt's. They had lived
near each other in Lake Orian, Michigan. And when Scott
comes out, he he reveals his crush to Jonathan. Jonathan
is visibly shaken and embarrassed apparently, and states that he's heterosexual.

(50:33):
But he laughs it off and he's amiable. And then
Scott goes on to tell the audience about a fantasy
that involved Jonathan and whipped cream and strawberries and champagne.
And then that's when Jonathan becomes enraged on camera I
think in his heart. Okay, okay, yeah, not on camera.

(50:56):
So this and so another thing for like nineteen ninety
five we'd be able to understand is that that homophobia
was fucking I know, it seems like we're in a
different place now, but homophobia was hard fucking core. Also,
it was it It was completely okay culturally for people

(51:17):
to be homophobic.

Speaker 2 (51:18):
It was crazy.

Speaker 1 (51:19):
Even if you weren't homophobic, making gay jokes was okay.
It happened constantly.

Speaker 2 (51:23):
Yeah, And there was no there were no voices to say, hey,
go fuck yourself or you're in the wrong or anything
like that.

Speaker 1 (51:32):
Okay, this is the you don't understand.

Speaker 2 (51:34):
The prevailing attitude was like that's funny, or that's that's
something to mock, or that's something disgusting, or it's you know,
it's it's a very different time.

Speaker 1 (51:44):
And that's not that long ago, which is so troubling
and so that you know, in nineteen ninety one, Paul Brossard,
who was a twenty seven year old Houston area banker,
died after a gay bashing incident outside of Houston nightclub
where nine high schoolers beat and stabbed him to die.
And this was what life was like back then. You

(52:05):
can't not mention Matthew Shepherd in ninety eight, nineteen ninety eight,
that was ninety eight ninety eight. He was beaten, tortured,
and left to ultimately die in Larami, Wyoming. So this
was this wasn't a like, you know, we'll make fun
of gay people time. This was a if you're in
certain parts of the country and certain people want to

(52:25):
fuck with you and you're gay. Yeah, I mean, I'm
not to say that it doesn't happen now as well,
but there's such it's just a totally different There are
people who will speak up against it everywhere you go.
There's a shift of understanding that that and a shift
of identity of people that are saying all those all

(52:47):
the prevailing attitudes of like this is a deviance as
opposed to no, I am your relative, I'm your brother,
your friend.

Speaker 2 (52:54):
It's people that you know, this isn't some aberration that
it's like, it's.

Speaker 1 (52:59):
Not an affliction and it's who it's a it's an identity.

Speaker 2 (53:02):
And also it's the majority of the popular, not the
majority of the population, but it's an even amount. There
used to be a like there was a government an old,
old government projection that said ten percent of the population
was gay, when it's way way high.

Speaker 1 (53:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (53:17):
So it's just that thing of.

Speaker 1 (53:18):
Like, you know, it's it's an educational process that's taken
us forever. And it's great. I mean, as much as
I fucking hate the Internet, it's like there's you would
never have known what a huge population of people who
are way fucking different than you and every way are
out there unless you know you had that the internet

(53:38):
right and people have a voice now. Yeah yeah fuck yeah.
So let's cut back just three days after the taping
and Scott leaves a suggestive note on Jonathan's At Jonathan's house,
Jonathan finds the note and, with raws money from the bank,

(54:01):
purchases a shotgun and then went over to Scott's mobile home.
He questions Scott about the note, and then Jonathan goes
back to his car, gets his gun, and goes back
to the trailer. He shoots Scott twice in the chest
with a twelve gauge buckshot at such close range that

(54:25):
paper wadding from the shotgun shell ended up on Scott's heart,
while a fragment of the other shells casing entered his
leftlong So like, this is a look at me while
I'm fucking killing you situation. After killing Scott, Jonathan leaves
the residence and he calls nine to one one and confesses, Wow, yeah, okay,

(54:52):
so let's see okay. During the trial, he's arrested. During
the trial, it stated that Scott's friend, Scott's friend says
that after the taping of the Jennie Jones show, Scott
and Jonathan actually went out drinking together and had an
alleged sexual encounter. So it's possible this whole thing. I mean,

(55:16):
that's that's a weird element to it. They don't talk
about a lot in a lot of these articles. It's allege,
that's hearsay. Yeah, yeah, it's subt'll hearsay, but let's hear
say that. That's yeah. It kind of it puts the
It puts the level of anger into It makes a
little more sense to me, you know. Yeah. Or it

(55:37):
could be a lie. It could be a lie to
justify Uh no, no, no, but this is this is
Scott's friend, this is the guy gets killed. Friends said
that that they went out together that night. But okay, okay, no, no,
I'm just I'm just saying alleged is a big word. Yeah.
So he's found guilty of second dary murder in nineteen
ninety six, sentenced to twenty five to fifty years in prison.

(56:00):
Convictions overturned upon retrial, found guilty of the same charge
once again, sentence reinstated. In nineteen ninety nine, Scott's family
sues the Jenny Jones Show, Telepictures, and Warner Brothers for
the ambush tactics and their negligent role that led to
the death of Scott. The jury found that the Jenny

(56:23):
Jones Show was irresponsible and negligent and that the show
intentionally created an explosive situation without due concern for the
possible consequences, which is like fucking every reality show right
now too. The Michigan jury found the Jenny Jones Show
negligent and responsible for the events. They gave Scott's family

(56:44):
over twenty five million six point five in funeral costs
and burial, five million for the pain and suffering, and
ten million each for loss of companionship and compensation. But
the judgment was later overturned by the Michigan Court of
Appeals in a two to one judgment, and the Michigan

(57:05):
Supreme Court declined to hear the case. So then they
never had to pay that money. No, it wasn't Jenny
Jones's and it wasn't their fault, you know, although there
was apparently a letter saying that that the was. I
don't know. It seems like they didn't fucking tell him

(57:26):
what he was expecting, and uh, you know, so it's
so they're at fault. And the producers decided not to
air the show. But you can see it on Court
TV's coverage of the trial, and it's also featured in
an HBO documentary called Talked To death. Oh but man, wow,

(57:47):
so fucking sad, isn't it. Well.

Speaker 2 (57:49):
Also, it makes me think because you said like that
I could happen again. But I bet you after that,
a shit ton of rules were put into place, Yeah,
by production companies that were like, and if you do this,
you have to do this, like just like say something
like on Maury Povich or whatever, like I'm sure all
those other really exploitive sally.

Speaker 1 (58:11):
JC like Cheaters recently.

Speaker 2 (58:13):
Yeah, yeah, Cheaters was crazy. I used to watch it
all the time. But I mean that's like kind of stab. Yeah, yeah,
the host got start. Yes, that's right.

Speaker 1 (58:22):
You know what I've always had a problem with is
so you when you're on a TV show or you're
gonna be in an area where there's taping, you have
to sign a you know, a waiver saying you're okay
with your your you know, your image. But you know,
I bet they had him sign that before this happened. No,
here's the thing, tell me everything.

Speaker 2 (58:39):
Here's what I know is that it's only in certain
states that you have to do that. And because there's
certain states where like in New York City, you can film,
you can walk down the street and film and you're
and you're fine. In California, you can't do that. So
in California, like when we would, like on jobs I've had,
you have to stick sign. Now in New York you

(59:01):
have to do the same thing. You have to put
up a sign that says you're about to walk past
a rolling cameras basically exactly. But in California you have
to have waivers. So if you if we would do
man on the Street stuff and there'd be a lady
that would walk behind the interview and then go blah
blah blah it was something great that you wanted to use,
you'd have to have PA's run down to get that

(59:22):
lady to make sure she signed, or you could not
use the footage because basically the footage then becomes the proof,
you know what I mean, Like they have an open
and shotcase that like, yeah, you film me and I
didn't say you could, and you don't have the paper
that says I said you could, so you can't use it.

Speaker 1 (59:38):
So what about when you worked on like talk shows
and you had guests that would come in like they
signed shit beforehand, like that anything you say can be aired.
You can't go back and be like I didn't expect
this question to be asked of me and I don't.

Speaker 2 (59:49):
Want this on t Well, no, they do do that,
like ask questions that they weren't either prepped for or whatever.
But that's more that goes into like more of a
celebrity they would know. I don't think they do that
too like human interest guests that much. But in the
celebrity world where they're like, Okay, this is the person
that just had the affair and it's in the news

(01:00:10):
and everyone knows this person just had the affair, and
so the publicist is like, you will not be talking
about the affair and ask question leaving exactly, and then
the producer goes, of course we won't. Of course we won't.
And then when they're sitting there, everybody makes that call.
They literally make that call where they're just like, ask
the question, the question gets asked, the celebrity answers the
question because they're in that situation where they're what are

(01:00:33):
they going to do and they don't want to be rude,
and the publicist goes batship and Anna's backstage, I've seen this,
I mean like that, I haven't. It's not like I've
been in those gotcha situations. I've never worked on gotcha
shows like that, but that is a thing that's done
where then it becomes a political thing. But usually between
the publicist and the show where it's like I will

(01:00:54):
never come back, none of my clients will.

Speaker 1 (01:00:56):
Come here, I will pull this, and they're like, this
is this worth losing all those clients because Angelina Jolie said,
whatever the fuck about our marriage, it's worth it. It's
worth the ratings. We will be the first people to
have had the word on this. And then the publicist
sees that the movie that they're making gets way more
fucking people watching because they saw this thing at that way,
which I can't deal with it.

Speaker 2 (01:01:16):
It's crazy because that it really is that thing where
that whole world of like bad publicity is there's no
such thing as bad publicity because it really is true
with the way social media is and the way the
digital world has changing entertainment, that kind of stuff is
like there are people that plant their own gotcha stuff
because they know it's the same thing of like how

(01:01:37):
the Kardashians call the paparazzi on themselves.

Speaker 1 (01:01:39):
We're going to be here.

Speaker 2 (01:01:40):
It's that thing where people when you people have learned
over time that being in that victim stance actually can
be good for your peer, and so they'll do it,
or they'll set it up.

Speaker 1 (01:01:52):
Like if they feel that this is a question they
weren't expecting and they're being suddenly open and honest when
really they fucking knew it was going to happen, and
then they get played as a victim.

Speaker 2 (01:02:01):
But they magically handle it so well. Suddenly the public who,
you know, it's kind of a thing. I know, it
wasn't I don't think I shouldn't say I know. I
do not know for a fact, but I'm pretty sure
when Hugh Grant went on LENO to talk about when
he got caught with Divine Brown and he was married
and all that stuff, the way he handled that go

(01:02:21):
back to ninety five, right, was it around them? He
handled it so beautifully perfect because it was like he
basically went ooh, I did it, blushing and like yeah,
I'm sorry and bad whatever. And it's the thing that
up until that point, any publicist would tell an actor
in that position you can't go on a talk show,
or if you do, they will not talk about this whatever.

(01:02:42):
And instead suddenly we see how this situation can be
handled in a different way, and you can turn an
entire culture back onto your side. And so basically this
is just one more Karen ruining TV for everybody. But
it's that thing like these things are strategized and planned
out so much more than anybody think.

Speaker 1 (01:03:02):
It makes me ill and it's the reason why I
yell at the TV all the time. I can't I
cannot watch late night talk shows. I can't watch those interviews.
It makes me want to scream. Okay, Karen, I heard
you into the fucking beach lately.

Speaker 2 (01:03:18):
Oh my god, that's so funny. You bring that up
because it's weird.

Speaker 1 (01:03:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:03:23):
And the weirdest creepiest part I'm not acting anymore.

Speaker 1 (01:03:26):
Yeah, the weirdest.

Speaker 2 (01:03:26):
Creepiest part is there are people that are so good
like you. You can watch people who have done the
same story on more than one and they look.

Speaker 1 (01:03:35):
Like they're just like, oh my god, I'm just saying
I'm just remembering this.

Speaker 2 (01:03:38):
Oh that's right. That birthday was so crazy, where you're
just like, oh, this is just what. This is a
completely orchestrated conversation.

Speaker 1 (01:03:46):
Nothing is real.

Speaker 2 (01:03:47):
Nothing is real.

Speaker 1 (01:03:49):
Speak for yourself. Question authority Timothy Larry goodbye. Now I'm
on acid right now. No, I just can't. I just can't.
It's not reality. It's not real and it scares me.
And it's not TV. It's HBO.

Speaker 2 (01:04:04):
What why did they get a plug?

Speaker 1 (01:04:09):
We've been plugging so much shit that did, like Time,
Time magazine, fucking book.

Speaker 2 (01:04:13):
Heay, check out Time magazine. Everybody words.

Speaker 1 (01:04:16):
They don't fuck it. They haven't paid us to plug
them fucking pumpkins. Uh man, guys, that was you know what.

Speaker 2 (01:04:24):
I like that because it was like kind of different,
still on theme, but then we both took it in
a little bit of a different direction.

Speaker 1 (01:04:31):
No children got killed this episode, that's right, that's rare.
Could we just aim for that once a month? Sorry? Yeah,
just once a month and a fucking child.

Speaker 2 (01:04:42):
Did you see somebody made an I'm sorry where they
made the I'm really small?

Speaker 1 (01:04:45):
It was basically like the visual and it was perfect
because that's exactly what. Sorry. Yeah, that's good stuff. All right,
we've done it again. We've done it. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:04:57):
Wait, this is episode forty, yeah, episode forty Yeah, Oh
my god, look at us go.

Speaker 1 (01:05:05):
That's crazy, Karen. I'm proud of us. I'm proud of
us too. We've been friends for forty weeks.

Speaker 2 (01:05:14):
Here's to twenty more.

Speaker 1 (01:05:16):
No, there's the one week I got married and your
mom died. Oh that's right, I'm sorry. So I'm sorry
I got married.

Speaker 2 (01:05:21):
We've been friends for thirty nine weeks.

Speaker 1 (01:05:23):
That was the realist week of all though, and we're
so casual about it. So are you, guys? We're not
because we didn't have any There's nobody march Man, nobody
here in March. And I was like, this is a thing. Yeah,
no one cared. They're like, I like that girl from
that thing and that girl from that thing. Yeah. Oh listen,
we have to tell tell each other one good thing
from this week.

Speaker 2 (01:05:44):
Oh good idea, you go first, because I can't think
of anything.

Speaker 1 (01:05:47):
I'll always forget that part. My thing is that I
really reconnected with Mimi, my cat, me me what I know.
It's so stupid, but like like I with Elvis, he's
my fucking Why are you laughing at me?

Speaker 2 (01:06:02):
It's true because you're you're as you're telling me, you're
petting mem like in but you're it's.

Speaker 1 (01:06:08):
A little doctor Evie or you're like, we got eye
to eye and brain to brain. Can I pluck my
their Instagram. It's Elvis and Mimi Shore on Instagram, and
she's just I've always been scared to love her because
I thought Elvis wouldn't love me anymore for it. Wow,
I know I'm fucking insane. I have a what's it

(01:06:29):
called that when your cats that I have worms in
my head? Toxic mosays thank you, Stephen feline ah, And
then suddenly I realized I supposed to be angel she is
and Elvis gives zero shits about anything but cookies. It's
very true. We're good. So it was nice to like.
It's been nice to I love cats. Go on, they're

(01:06:50):
pretty great. Yeah, these ones are sweet. I like you guys,
which is rare for the not for people to like you.
But yeah, it's pretty written. I'm sorry.

Speaker 2 (01:06:59):
Okay, this whole time, I've been scrambling in my head. Okay,
this is fine, I'll just do it. And this is honest.
This is at least I'm being honest. The shirt I'm
wearing right now is my favorite shirt I've ever owned
in my life.

Speaker 1 (01:07:13):
It looks amazing.

Speaker 2 (01:07:15):
Thanks. It's just a salmon and navy striped shirt that
I got at Crossroads.

Speaker 1 (01:07:21):
Steven, you look like like a hot pirate.

Speaker 2 (01:07:25):
Hey, but the pocket, I there's something about it. It
like reminds me of high school. It reminds me of
all these things. It's really weird.

Speaker 1 (01:07:33):
But then I appreciate the thinness. Yeah of it. It's
just it's super comfortable, substantial.

Speaker 2 (01:07:39):
Yeah, and it's a little tiny bit blowsy.

Speaker 1 (01:07:41):
But then it also it's just it's working for me
in every way to the point earlier. It's the thing
I do as an a copper drape. It's like that,
you know, it's like, Oh, she's womanly, but she's not
trying to throw it in my face.

Speaker 2 (01:07:53):
That's right.

Speaker 1 (01:07:53):
I actually covered up to make you want it more.
It's a very victorian of the more later she put on.
The more I'm like, what could be under there?

Speaker 2 (01:08:01):
I'm I'm gonna start wrapping a scarf round my neck
and then you're going to be so into.

Speaker 1 (01:08:06):
Me, and then I'll be like, does her neck fall
off when I unwrap? You mean that Halloween story? Gary?
Stories to tell Stephen? What is it? Scary?

Speaker 2 (01:08:15):
Stories to flow the door serious, having a nervous breakdown.
You know what Stephen's saying right now to us with
this laughing, This is steric laughing is end this fucking pot.

Speaker 1 (01:08:24):
You guys are out of your Stop talking about every
scary stories to tell them the dark. Don't even look
at us, Stephen, you take off the neck listeners, never
take my scarf? Over taken. And then then her head
falls off and she says, I told you not to
take it. And then he puts it on a stick
and he walks down the street of Sacramento with it.
You guys, thank you so much for listening. We love you.
We're totally insane. Stay sexy. Please, Oh don't get murdered.

(01:08:45):
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What cookie? What cookie? Yeah? I mean we both get shot.
Oh my god.