42 - Abject Failure

This week on My Favorite Murder, Karen and Georgia are here for you with a collection of hometown murders including the ever-evolving tale of Todd Kohlhepp and more.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:18):
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Speaker 1 (00:44):
Uh huh? Why Oh didn't I tell you? No, No,
I've been away. I was in New Zealand.

Speaker 2 (00:51):
The world's crashing down around our head. Oh I didn't realize.

Speaker 1 (00:54):
Oh, yeah, it's true. Well, this is The Day After,
you guys, which is one of the great nuclear war
scare films from the eighties. You really haven't seen it
and you want a different kind of scare entertainment. The
Day After is one of the most upsetting things I
was left alone to watch when I was eleven years old.

Speaker 2 (01:14):
I feel like that is the exact exact opposite of
what I need to be watching right now.

Speaker 1 (01:19):
Considering the circumstances.

Speaker 2 (01:20):
Do not watch it, which is that not only did
Hillary lose, Trump won the presidency.

Speaker 1 (01:28):
Yeah, scared for her, Jill Stein didn't come in as
that third party candidate to tear it away. Not only
I would have been fine. It would have fine. Yeah.
You know what's funny is there nothing at all? So
let's get this done. We just start fighting. What's funny

(01:49):
that it seems like, first of all, it's one hundred
degrees in Los Angeles today, so there's a hellscape feel
to all of life right now. That's very surreal. And
it's really quiet, it doesn't I mean, like his sister
is California, it's very quiet. People are like I feel
like people are looking inside themselves.

Speaker 2 (02:08):
People are devastated, and I just want to like hold
everyone's hand that I see. Not that I left the
house much today, but when I did, it was like
I wanted to apologize to everyone who is going to
be fucked, you know.

Speaker 1 (02:23):
Yeah, including us. I mean, who knows in all different ways.
But here's what I was trying to do. This is
what I did, which I never do. I was just
letting everybody merge in front of me today, and I
came anywhere near me with a blanker on. I was like,
go ahead, I admire, I'm out the window. Go ahead,
everybody go.

Speaker 2 (02:43):
Maybe we'll I'll be friends now. Yeah, it's I mean,
I don't know. I was so cocky yesterday, you know
what I mean. Yeah, the conversation I had with the
dude I ordered lunch from was so like he was like,
I'm scared. I'm like, we're gonna be fine. Yeah, we
got this Joe Key joke. And I want to go
back there and be like, I'm sorry I took your
fucking worry not seriously.

Speaker 1 (03:06):
But that's what it Wasn't that you weren't taking it seriously.
That's what everybody was doing. Yeah, I mean I feel
like that's what everyone down to political pollar pundits were doing. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (03:17):
The faces on Ann matt Ou Maddox when her when
she kind of realized what was going on was when
I was like, goodbye, go into the wine bar. Will
bothers be like okay, so and sorry, this is becoming
a political pocket, Like this is just so new and
we need to I'm just like, I don't know how
we're going to do this, but like it's it's when

(03:38):
Bush won, I was like, oh, well, everyone's going to
see what a mistake that was because it's going to
affect them. But the people that this is going to
affect aren't the people who voted for him. It's the
people who aren't are minorities. It's not going to affect
anyone who voted.

Speaker 1 (03:53):
And also what's weird is there were some minorities that
voted for him. I mean there's there was a uh,
it was a con. It's a long con and uh,
you know, who knows. Who knows. Hillary said, we have
to give him a chance and see what happens. Who knows.
But if you're stoked, if you're stoked today, you know,

(04:14):
we envy that position, that that you think that you
have solved a problem by putting Donald Trump into the presidency.
It must feel great. Yeah, I personally was so thrilled
the idea of a woman bega too. It was so exciting.
Enjoy your naivity.

Speaker 2 (04:31):
And what's been great though, is that like for all
the posts I put up and on on my favorite
murder boards and stuff, not a single person has responded
and been like fuck you, you know, like I think
everyone who follows us for my favorite murder reasons No, no, no,
you saw the ship? Yeah, come to Twitter, really, come

(04:55):
to the bus stop that is Twitter.

Speaker 1 (04:57):
See what people are really saying. I mean, it's a
nice idea, but no, okay, which is why I don't
think we should talk about politics, because that's basically just
telling people don't be interested in this. Okay, let's start then,
unless you don't want.

Speaker 2 (05:10):
To start, I mean, let's start the podcast.

Speaker 1 (05:15):
Any anything, any housekeeping? Do you have no housekeeping? I
thought I probably did yesterday. I guess that I can
talk about the thing I loved which I saw on
the Facebook page, which was there was a Murderino meetup
in Colorado that was so awesome, Like I kept looking
at the picture this morning. It really gave me a

(05:37):
lot of good feeling. This morning. I went straight to
that Facebook page like the second I woke up and
just looked at all these people communicating with each other
and the thing that they wrote about about this meetup
of all these people talking about this thing that they're
interested in, but then also talking about getting a self
defense class started. They were just and they like all

(06:00):
look like they were just kind of hanging with friends.
They all looked they look like people who all went
to high school together. Looked like a group of people. Yeah,
And it's I find that incredibly touching that people. To me,
at the end of the day, that's what it's all about.
It's like people are actually connecting with the other human beings.

Speaker 2 (06:18):
Yeah, did I tell you? Speaking of making friends? Oh,
I've to tell you about my acupuncturists and how I went.
I've been seeing her for like a few a couple
of months now for the sciatica issue, and she's.

Speaker 1 (06:30):
Been really fucking helping me.

Speaker 2 (06:31):
And she's this wonderful, like soft spoken, sweet person. She
reminds me of like a kindergarten teacher. And wait is
it where is it silver? Like, oh, at the Doao,
it's not at the Doao of No, Okay, shout out
to Holly. She I came into to get my acupuncture
this week last week and she was like, so one

(06:53):
of my clients knows I'm into true crime and said
to me, you need to listen to this podcast. And
she's like, I listened to three episodes of it before.
I was like, I wonder who these girls are.

Speaker 1 (07:02):
And then she's like, then I looked at it, I
was you.

Speaker 2 (07:04):
She don't even know it was me while she was listening,
but she's like, I like it a lot, And then
of course told me her hometown murder where she's fucking awesome,
San Diego, and about like a girl who got killed
from high school and her mom got killed, and it
turned out that they were into dealing drugs and shit,
and the cops initially thought that it was like the

(07:27):
serial killer that was going around with the time, and
they're like, it doesn't fit the mo o, but maybe
it is.

Speaker 1 (07:31):
And then they found out that they were dealing drugs,
and wow, I know that just reminded me. I had
a similar experience at the rap party for my job.
I'm not going to be able to remember her name now.
It might be Cassie, it might be something with an O,
but anyway, saying I met a Cassio keyboard from the

(07:52):
eighties and I put it on Bosonova and danced by
myself at a rapt yelling Murderino was basically, you got
to get the motive, you know, Karen, stop it, you're sober, Karen.

Speaker 2 (08:06):
This is why this is a rap party, is because
we all wanted to get it's actually still going on.
We were just trying to convince you that it's over.
We're trying to wrap you personally. We're trying to be nice,
so I wouldn't be surprised. But anyway, she uh worked,
she works. I can't remember where she works somehow on

(08:28):
the show. Sorry, her name is something, and she works.
Her name is something. She means the world to me.
She works somewhere, and she's blonde. She was so sweet.
She works for.

Speaker 1 (08:40):
The show somehow, but like in a like for the
network or for publicy or something where it's not in
our office or whatever.

Speaker 2 (08:45):
So it's okay that you're like you didn't work with
her for four months and then not.

Speaker 1 (08:48):
Or never seen her, never matter. Also, there's a chance
she doesn't work on the show and it was her
roommate that works on the show, now that I'm thinking
about it. But end of the day, the fun part
is she she listened to the podcast and wanted to
know what show I was working on when I would
talk about it, and then she so she goes, and
then I saw you here. Now I know what show

(09:10):
you've been working it was. It was very fun and exciting.

Speaker 2 (09:13):
I have I just remember now now that I'm this
fog of depression is looking over me a little bit
because I'm laughing for the first time.

Speaker 1 (09:20):
Yeah, since yesterday. It's It's key, It's crucial, it really is.

Speaker 2 (09:23):
Uh So to one the Americana in Glendale, I go
into Madewell, who makes great jeans, great expensive jeans. This
is like my first time my life not buying ten
dollars jeans. And I get a pay I buy go,
I go to put one on, I go to grab
a pair, and then of course the ones that are

(09:43):
on top fall to the ground as they do. Right
as this, like sweet girl comes up to me to
like can I help, and I thought, I was like,
I'm so sorry.

Speaker 1 (09:51):
I was like, I'm the I'm sorry making a mess,
and she's like scared because these jeans are expensive, right,
and I just toppled a bunch of men. She's like,
are you Georgia And.

Speaker 2 (09:58):
I was like yes, and she's like, we listened to
we we heard that the Jay Cruse shout out that you.

Speaker 1 (10:03):
Had done and like will we do that too?

Speaker 2 (10:06):
No?

Speaker 1 (10:06):
Yes, they were so sweet. We've spread to the Americana.
The Americana made well ladies, what's up? Shy girls and guys?

Speaker 2 (10:14):
And then yesterday I think I just met girls, so
it's okay. Yesterday I went to this French restaurant in
Echo Park to try to watch the End of.

Speaker 1 (10:23):
The World and it was still crowded for me. But
as I walk in this table like hot.

Speaker 2 (10:29):
Hi at me, and I just high back because I
don't ever recognize anyone, you know, and they're like murdering.

Speaker 1 (10:34):
I was like, oh god, I don't know, and they
were just random fucking wow Jesus, that's so. That's three.

Speaker 2 (10:40):
Yeah, And then I left immediately because it was too crowded.
I made the mime of I'm gonna go slip my
wrist somewhere else at them.

Speaker 1 (10:47):
Then I did.

Speaker 2 (10:50):
Real fun that we met suicide.

Speaker 1 (10:53):
You're gonna go ahead and go down the street where
it's quiet. Well I like that. I feel like this
part of the podcast might to an outsider, yeah see
oh yeah, uh self indulgent, but as we have had
to answer in in uh even that is what I'm

(11:15):
trying to say is that this is very new to us,
and so when these things happen, it's still hilarious and
fun for us and exciting and it's its own you know.
It's like greeting's corner or whatever, where.

Speaker 2 (11:29):
It's like meeting friends you didn't know you had, and
it's so exciting just to be like to meet.

Speaker 1 (11:34):
These like cool people who are no one's been crazy
to me.

Speaker 2 (11:37):
There there are very few crazy and then when it
stretches out to like my fucking acupuncturists, who by all
accounts as like a nice, normal human being, and she's like,
I like it.

Speaker 1 (11:46):
What are they supposed to be?

Speaker 2 (11:47):
Like?

Speaker 1 (11:48):
Mind body? And then she's like, totally is Holly. Holly
is so great?

Speaker 2 (11:54):
What if anyone needs in silver, like a recommendation for
a great acupuncturist, hit me on Twitter, because clearly I
never go there and don't know how awful people are.

Speaker 1 (12:05):
You do know the password? Right? Yeah? I go? I
go there?

Speaker 2 (12:08):
Okay, you do know that you can take some of
the rains and updates?

Speaker 1 (12:12):
You don't at all? No, No, I didn't you know.

Speaker 3 (12:15):
I know.

Speaker 2 (12:16):
No, I'm all about the Instagram right now, my murder Instagram.

Speaker 1 (12:20):
Real nice people. I mean, what we're saying is there's
fucking nice people everywhere, and it's nice to know, and
it's nice to remind each other. Yeah, and keep saying hi,
and we'll try to do the same and maybe remember
your name or where you worked. She was the nicest person,
seems nice one I can't remember CALLI someone. She looked

(12:40):
like she was from the Midwest. She's so happy, Cassio.
I feel like you know, let's talk about something else.

Speaker 2 (12:48):
Al let's talk about another like, let's get our minds
off an awful Okay.

Speaker 1 (12:53):
Here's a transitional awful topic. Okay, the woman who has
found chained like a dog inside the medical in North Carolina.
They have found four bodies on the property, four bodies buried,
and so far that fucking Amazon shit. Oh yes, that's
so many people sent me that. Did you look at it? Yes?

(13:14):
I didn't look at it.

Speaker 2 (13:15):
So this guy who's like by all accounts, a serial
killer who already had a record for a child molestation,
rape at gunpoint, rape at gunpoint. Somehow, that's just again,
let's just make everything awful. He has been commenting on
the tools he's used to kill people and shame them

(13:36):
up on Amazon, reviewing them and saying shit like uh
this if I haven't killed anyone with this yet, but
when I do, this will be a great tool, like
straight up admitting like this, this chain, this padlock is
great for chaining people Like.

Speaker 1 (13:54):
Dude, I think it's still up there too.

Speaker 2 (13:56):
I think the cops are looking into it, so they've
been taking them down yet maybe.

Speaker 1 (13:59):
That I feel like that's second only to my favorite
Internet comments which are on those sugar free gummy bears.
My god, which is Now let's just turn this around here.
Here's we're gonna we're gonna just remining for positivity. Should
I find a couple? Yeah, yes, if you want to, okay,
so and I'll just I'm sure everybody knows this because

(14:22):
kind of legendary. But if you don't, I don't think
a lot of people know this. So they these this
gummy bear company made their own version of sugar free
gummy bears and they were for sale on Amazon. And
the reviews for these sugar sugar free gummy bears that
have that contained some chemical it's called sugar alcohol. Okay,

(14:42):
so sugar alcohol apparently makes you shit your pants does
So there are reviews where people were like, oh my god,
I was shitting all day. Like people just talking about
these gummy bears just wreaking havoc on their intestinal system,
and they just get more ridiculous and poetic as they go.

Speaker 2 (15:01):
People are really like being there's a lot there's a
few different places of like products that people will pick
up on and cover like there's like a single big
pen and it's just like people are talking about like
time travel and what the big pen is done for them?

Speaker 1 (15:18):
This makes me happy. Yes, it's kind of gross, do it?
I mean? Well, here's one.

Speaker 2 (15:25):
Be sure to also buy a top of oxy clean
with this to get the blood and diary stands out
of your underwear, clothes, furniture, pets, loved one, ceiling veils.
Let's see. Oh my god, everything previously written is true.
It's all true. Don't eat more than fifteen in a
sitting unless you were trying to powerwash here intestines. The

(15:47):
cramping started about an hour later, and soon enough I
was in I was as bloated as a balloon and
Macy's Thanksgiving Day parade. When the rembling started, I sprinted
down the hallway and made it to the bathroom just
in time for the four horsemen of the apocalypse to
stampede from my backside langways to my homesteptic system.

Speaker 1 (16:03):
And my will to live.

Speaker 2 (16:04):
After three hours with pelvis shaking gummy barresalt, I was
spongy and weak, surprised that I had any bones left.
I cursed, how horribo horribo with the little strength I
could muster. But here's the clothing about them? Is that
people now, and it's in the reviews people with like
really bad illnesses who get constipated. I think chance, I

(16:27):
think the chemo makes you unable to shit. You are
now like recommending them take two like posts. Yes, yes,
like it's relieving constipation.

Speaker 1 (16:39):
I sat in my friend Stephanie and I sat in
her car one day and I just read them and
we were both crying. You're just crying.

Speaker 2 (16:47):
Last there's a banana slicer that's a good one too.
If you ever get sad and bored tonight Banana Slicer reviews.
Those Banana Sliser reviews that are just hilarious.

Speaker 1 (16:56):
Nice.

Speaker 2 (16:58):
Oh, what was I going to say? Yeah, don't eat
sugar alcohol, be careful. It's in a lot of stuff
and I've eaten it before and it makes you so bloated,
you're in so much pain.

Speaker 1 (17:06):
Wow, I've never even heard of that. Yeah, it'll say
it's there.

Speaker 2 (17:08):
It's in a lot of stuff, and you think, oh,
it's just sugar because it's a sugar alcohol.

Speaker 1 (17:12):
It's fucking terrible. Wow. Yep, it's like a sugar substitute.

Speaker 2 (17:16):
Yeah, it's like a I think it's an app an
extraction of sugar that they take and they're like it's
sugar free. Oh yeah, don't eat that, Just eat sugar.

Speaker 1 (17:28):
Guys, just use sugar ultimately at the end of the day.
Except for those of you who've quit sugar. Karen named Karen,
I'm so impressed with you. Thank you as a sugar addict,
well one side of your system and you don't crave
it anymore, that's the shocking part.

Speaker 2 (17:43):
But what if I still crave cake? Like I don't
want sugar but I want cake? You know what I mean,
it's like a different you're making up. What's going to
happen to you? Is that what you're saying? Well, like
I known you don't crave sugar, like you're not like
I want something sweet, but I want cake.

Speaker 1 (17:58):
It's a different thing. No, but it's like I want Okay. Yeah,
Well that's just an idea.

Speaker 2 (18:03):
That's true, that they need to go psychological for not
just yeah, I mean I think all of it's kind
of psychological.

Speaker 1 (18:10):
Yeah, should we just not talk about murders?

Speaker 2 (18:13):
But I don't know, I feel like it's like, yeah,
that sucks.

Speaker 1 (18:20):
We touched upon it, I mean we really have. We've
danced around it a lot.

Speaker 2 (18:25):
Let's have this one be all about let's just read
review funny reviews this whole episode.

Speaker 1 (18:30):
I mean, I wouldn't mind.

Speaker 2 (18:30):
It, we kind of could. Do you want to look
at the banana slic er? Yes, let me see if
I can find any. So I want me to read
you another. Yes, okay, I have a good one. But
it's also like, is it better than what's happening right now?
I want to read a good one.

Speaker 1 (18:49):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (18:50):
After a few hours, I had an extreme build up
of gas with no relief. All I could was laid
down and pray for a fart. That might sound funny,
but when you've eaten something that has basically turned you
into blue, into the blueberry girl from Lily Wanka, you're pleading.

Speaker 1 (19:04):
With your life. Violet Boarguard is her name.

Speaker 2 (19:06):
Oh there's like, okay, I want to find the big
pen one.

Speaker 1 (19:10):
Let's see big I just found banana slicer. Okay, read it.
And this is a BuzzFeed article, so you can actually
find it. Okay, it's the article called Amazon reviews of
this plastic banana slicer are just the best. So here's
the first one. Uh. For decades, I've been trying to
come up with an ideal way to slice banana use
a knife, They say, Well, my parole officer won't allow

(19:32):
me to be on your knives. Shoot it with a
gun background check. Hello. I had to resort to carefully
attempt to slice these those bananas with my bare hands.
Ninety nine point nine percent of the time I would
just get so frustrated that I just ended up squishing
the fruit in my hands and throwing it against the
wall and anger. Then, after a fit of banana induced rage,
my prole officer and to introduce me to this kitchen marble,

(19:55):
and my life was changed. What can I say about
this five seven to one be banana slicer that hasn't
already been said about the wheel, penicillin or the iPhone.
This is one of the greatest dimensions of all time.

Speaker 2 (20:07):
My husband and I would argue constantly over over who
had to cut the day's banana slices.

Speaker 1 (20:12):
No one. It's one of those chor chores no one
wants to do, you know, the old I spend the
entire day rearing our children. Maybe you can pitch in
and cut these bananas. And of course you think I
have the energy to slave over your damn bananas. I
worked a twelve hour shift just to come on to
these to this, I mean, this fucking thing goes on
for like seven more pair. All right, let me find

(20:36):
one banana slicer. It's like a play. It's like people
getting their creativity out on the Amazon.

Speaker 2 (20:41):
Okay, the ten best here's the Thought Catalog has the
ten best reviews for a big pens for her. Someone
has answered my gentle prayers and finally designed a pen
that I can use all month long. I use it
when I'm swimming, riding a horse, walking on the beach,
and doing yoga. It's comfortable, leak proof, non and it
makes me feel so feminine and pretty. Since I've been

(21:03):
using these pens, men have found me more attractive and approachable.
It has given me soft skinned, manageable hair, and it's
really given me the self esteem I needed to start
a book club and flirt with the bait the bad
boy at my local market. My drawings of kittens and
ponies have improved. And now that I'm writing my last
name hyphenated with the Robert with Robert Patterson's last name,
I really believe he may someday marry me.

Speaker 1 (21:23):
I'm positively giddy.

Speaker 2 (21:24):
Those smart men and marketing have come up with a
pen that my lady Parks can really identify with. Where
has this pen been all my life?

Speaker 1 (21:32):
That's the big pen for her, for her, and it's
like pink and probably a piece of shipped with Oh
my god, so stupid. I do think we should do murders. Okay,
I mean just because there's some there's some Trump lovers
who are like, hey, can I have my favorite show? Hey?
Why can't I have what I want?

Speaker 2 (21:53):
Oh? Right?

Speaker 1 (21:54):
In twenty sixteen America. Wait a second, I want something,
Give it to me.

Speaker 2 (21:59):
Now cut that part, do Stephen? No, don't I want something?
Give it to me now? I'll go first this week. Please,
instead of asking, I'll volunteer. Please, I'll throw myself in
front of the train.

Speaker 1 (22:11):
Please. And here's why it's that, because it does someone
get that actually happened recently? Did you see that? Yes,
that they thought she would. They said it was a suicide,
and then when they checked the tape, the girl was
clearly unconscious and the guy put her on the tracks.

Speaker 2 (22:27):
That one, yes, But also in New York a woman
pushed a girl onto the tracks. What and it's happened
a couple I like it. Then it was like going
on to tell you all the times that's happened in
the past, like.

Speaker 1 (22:38):
A few years. Why did do they know why? I
think this woman just was like, uh, crazy cuckoo.

Speaker 2 (22:44):
Yeah, I was trying to put it delicately, but that
sounds better than like mentally ill, because someone like, we
don't call it mentally ill anymore. She's crazy cuckoo today.
Could you please give us a pass today? Can you
give us a break? Could I have five minutes to
myself if I have one thing I wanted life? Can
I have one fucking win today in just once? No,

(23:04):
the answer is no, you can't. You counted three. Pretty soon,
I'm gonna be in a constant. Is not a fire
what fucking neighbors they like? Yes, it's a fire in
their barbecue that they like next to their fucking house.

Speaker 1 (23:18):
Oh my god, I scared me too. That was like
a movie where in the corner of my eye I
saw pink and red flickering and you're like, huh, where
it's that's That was like something from the Omen.

Speaker 2 (23:29):
No, it's gonna be these motherfuckers they like put they
put it's the people with the screaming children they put
fucking like lighter fluid on their barbecue.

Speaker 1 (23:38):
Literally tell them how far it's it's.

Speaker 2 (23:41):
An alleyway, yes, and it's next to the house. We're
not close. And I saw the fire flames. Yeah, shooting
at Jesus Christ. They do it all the time, and
then they're gonna be out there for fucking hours. It's
I need to move so bad. I need to I'm
just like, I'm having a breakdown. Hi, I'm just not

(24:07):
having a good I mean, none of us are good
life right now?

Speaker 1 (24:11):
Yeah? All right, So then this week we're just going
to read your hometown murders. Yeah, as our main thing. Yeah. Oh,
this starts off with a very professional note, and it
says in the note colon, in the unlikely event you
refer to this story on air or publicly, please do
not share my name or email address. Anonymous is good enough.

(24:34):
I love your podcast and look forward to each one
every week. Thanks for being awesome. Let's give out that
email address. I love that. It's so reasonable. Yeah, it's
exactly what I needed that first time I gave that
woman's full information. There's a second piece of information there
that I'll tell you after the podcast. That's really good.
But I don't think I should read it, since I

(24:55):
think it would indicate who this person is. Is it
a famous persons.

Speaker 3 (25:00):
They have a.

Speaker 1 (25:03):
Connection to a famous serial killing team and their email
addresses justin at Timberlake dotwn. His publicist is a real bee,
so we give out his all right, So here's what
Anonymous has to say. My parents moved us to the
Santa Claruta Valley, near Magic Mountain and the site of

(25:23):
the San Franci France San Francisquito Damn disaster in nineteen
eighty eight. Santa Cluta was then an underdeveloped and had
a lot of wooded hills and was more of a
small town. People noticed new people moving in and local
shops would call you by your first name. We didn't
even have to lock our car doors. That's what my
time was like. In nineteen eighty nine, a little girl

(25:45):
named Sarah Hodges disappeared in New Hall. She was only
seven years old, and her parents assumed that she had
maybe wandered off and gotten hurt, or was it a
friend's house and hadn't told them. A citywide search was
immediately put into place, including house to house searches, dogs,
Mountain Police helicopter's neighborhood volunteers searching the brush and woods.
One of the volunteers was her fourteen year old neighbor

(26:06):
named Curtis Cooper. Curtis had been living with his father
in Florida until a few months before, and now lived
with his mom, Crystal, in a room she rented from
missus Kasmar. It was rumored that Curtis and Crystal both
slept in the same large waterbed in a single room.
Missus Kasmar's house was five doors away from Sarah's house.

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Curtis used to play with Sarah and sometimes went horseback
riding with her, and was one of the first to
volunteer for her when she disappeared red black.

Speaker 2 (26:34):
This sounds familiar, it does. I think you've done this.
I do the one where it's waterbed. Oh no, because
he lived in a house.

Speaker 1 (26:43):
Oh he did them.

Speaker 2 (26:44):
No, Yeah, but it's very familiar, very similar to.

Speaker 1 (26:47):
The murder I did once. Yeah, it's slightly older boy
and little girl and water and water. Totally same thing. Okay.
The dogs, amounted police, the neighbors, and the house to
house search including missus Kasmar's house, turned up nothing. Sarah's
face was everywhere, and she was the talk of the schools.
She was the lead news story every night and in
all the papers. How could a seven year old just

(27:08):
disappear in this small, sleepy shit kicker town. Shortly after
Sarah disappeared, the Coopers had a fan blowing out their window,
running day and night. Missus Kasmar thought it was odd
that the fan was blowing out instead of in, and
that it was going all the time. She also began
to smell something foul from the Cooper's room and finally

(27:28):
went to investigate while they were both out. Hell yeah,
Missus Kasmar, rock the cowcer See you still got it?
You still got it? Just always rocked the Kasmar. Four
days after she had disappeared, Missus Kasmar, some reports say
it was Crystal found the fully clothed, decomposing body of
Sarah Hodge's. She was wedged between the wall and the

(27:51):
headboard of the water bell. She was in there with
both of them. Yeah, Curtis and Crystal had slept with
Sarah beneath their heads with the fan blowing for three days.

Speaker 3 (28:01):
What the fuck?

Speaker 1 (28:03):
At first, the news reported that maybe Sarah had been
playing hide and go seek and had wedged herself into
tightly and snapped heneck. That was a story the coopers
were selling anyway. However, an examination revealed Sarah had been
strangled and sexually assaulted. It was thought that she was
murdered in Curtis's room and hidden there only a few
hours before the deputy searched the house. Oh my god.

(28:25):
It turns out that Curtis had been in trouble in
Florida and had been arrested for committing several petty thefts
and burglaries and basically had to leave. Curtis claimed he
had been looking for help for years for his quote
severe emotional problems, but in Florida he was quote shifted
from agency to agency without ever receiving proper treatment. Apparently,
whatever Curtis had done, it was bad enough for Florida

(28:47):
not to want him. The person wrote that, and I
guess it was. According to the deputy district attorney who
prosecuted him, Curtis had planned the murder about a week
before it. To kurt planned it and also planned but
never carried out, carried out a similar murder two years earlier,
while in Florida, when he would have been around twelve
or thirteen. Holy shit, rosenbet Uh Oh. That deputy district

(29:12):
attorney had claimed that Curtis had a belief that he
had to kill to have sexual relations. Although he was
found by the court experts to have some brain damage,
it was not enough for an insanity defense. Curtis was
convicted of a murder with a special allegation of sexual
assault and received twenty five years to life, although California
Youth Authority could only actually hold him until he's twenty five,

(29:35):
which would have been in the year two thousand.

Speaker 3 (29:37):
Oh my god.

Speaker 1 (29:38):
Four months after Sarah was found, her father went to
her grave site, sat vigil all night, then shot and
killed himself over her grave. He was only thirty six.
Oh all of them. Oh anonymous, that was a really
good email. Who was my lasting?

Speaker 2 (29:53):
That kid?

Speaker 1 (29:54):
Then? You know, like, you don't just become a sexual
predator at twelve. I mean he lived in Florida. Any
fucking thing that it could have been like a clown
in his closet. The worst things happen there. This will
just go to show you how important it is to
fund mental health facilities and get people the mental health
and for the government to not defund and all the goodbye,

(30:19):
it's already been defunded. We haven't had that so long.
That's fair, But I got I guess presidency it's going
to come back. Yeah time, No, for sure.

Speaker 2 (30:28):
I feel like that empathetic ye, you know, hold up
your brother, care for others, positive works. That's it's going
to be happening. Yeah, it's going to be beautiful. It's
a brand new day.

Speaker 3 (30:39):
M hmm.

Speaker 1 (30:40):
All right.

Speaker 2 (30:43):
This is from Jacqueline and that of course I read
this because all cap subject line.

Speaker 1 (30:49):
Is at Arondack Nightmare people on Fucked Up Ladies.

Speaker 3 (30:55):
Hello.

Speaker 2 (30:56):
Love the podcast obviously, but I'll get to right to
the point here. My brother told me this story yesterday.
That is fiance's cousin fastened your seatbelts, motherfuckers, she wrote, motherfuckers.
So my soon to be sister in law's cousin was
going through some shit, so her dad suggested she'd go
up to the house in the at around decks for
a few days to clear her head.

Speaker 1 (31:15):
God that sounds nice, isn't it. I would love to
be there right this, let's go because also it wouldn't
be one hundred and five.

Speaker 2 (31:20):
It also wouldn't be one hundred and five she and
then also that would mean someone had money in your
family because having a house in the ad, Aaron decks,
that's got to be like fam I mean, don't they
have their own chair. They don't even have their own chair.
It's an area of the country that has its own chair.
And it's a comfy chair. It's like a rich you
have to be like. It's a chair that's supposed that
you're supposed to have a mohido in one hand.

Speaker 1 (31:40):
Yes, you know what I mean. It's a relaxing in
the summertime chair. Absolutely.

Speaker 2 (31:45):
She went up for a long weekend had been hearing
some noises in the events and just around the house,
but she knew her dad had been having issues with
squirrels in the house recently.

Speaker 1 (31:54):
I bet it's not squirrels.

Speaker 2 (31:56):
Squirrel So she didn't think anything of it and just
wrote it off for a few days.

Speaker 1 (32:00):
Bad idea, that's what. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (32:03):
Finally, after a few days she calls her dad and
tells them about the noises she's been hearing, and he
tells her just to call the police to sort it out,
as you do. She's reluctant at first because she doesn't
want to bother the police if it's nothing, and then
she wrote fuck politeness, but her dad.

Speaker 1 (32:16):
I don't want to bother the police. I don't want
to bother the police's job it is to check things out.

Speaker 2 (32:20):
Yeah, so I'm just gonna get murdered. I don't know
if that's true, but her dad convinces her to call
so she does. Listen to a man when he tells
you what to do?

Speaker 1 (32:28):
Oh man, she.

Speaker 2 (32:29):
Tells, it's so angry, just attacking anyone comes in.

Speaker 1 (32:34):
This sweet Dad's like, honey, I'm worried about you. Called
that dad.

Speaker 2 (32:38):
Fuck the adderund deck chair, fuck at all. She tells
the police the deal and they say, sure, we'll come
check it out. Are you alone in the house, to
which she replies yes, And they say, okay, no problem,
we'll come check it out. Just give us a few hours.
No more than five minutes later, a squad of police
cars roll up to her house, lights and sirens ablaze,
and then tell her to get out of the house now,

(32:59):
come outside. Turns out there was a fucking man in
her basement the entire time, building a fucking cage to fucking.

Speaker 1 (33:07):
Keep her in.

Speaker 2 (33:08):
No what he was building the cage in her house,
Yet she had gone on a day with this man
a few weeks prior, and he had been stalking her
ever since. He followed her upstate and casually fucking began
building a goddamn cage to keep her in in the basement.
This is all her, in the basement of her own house.
I wish I'd say this for last, because how are

(33:29):
we going to be this?

Speaker 1 (33:30):
No, I know this is the one to be.

Speaker 2 (33:31):
The cops were able to figure it out because when
she told them she was alone in the house, they
saw or her and I'm not sure that someone else
was on the phone line in the house. When I'm
yelling it's all her, all caps, but also me freaking
the fuck out. They saw that someone else was on
the phone line in the house. That's some straight out
of a scary story. You'd tell it a slumber party. Shit,

(33:53):
she says.

Speaker 1 (33:54):
The crew that is, it's like that's an urban legend
for sure. Yeah, she probably made.

Speaker 3 (33:58):
It up easy.

Speaker 1 (34:02):
Sorry, I don't be Jackie, I mean the sister. No,
of course she's fine.

Speaker 2 (34:05):
The craziest thing to me is that this dick weed
had plenty of time to do whatever he wanted with
this girl, but he was keeping her like a pet
until the very right moment to do god knows what.
Thank god, nothing happened to her and she was able
to stay sexy and not get cage murdered. Keep up
the good work, ladies. Bye, Oh my god, thank you Jackie, Jackie.
That was good nut so epic that Do you want

(34:29):
to know what that reminded me of? Yes, I just
had a recovered memory. Now something happened to you.

Speaker 1 (34:34):
Yes, oo, but it doesn't it clearly it's not. It's not,
it's not. But this was I came home from being
so after I lived in Sacramento, I moved back home
to live with my parents for a year because I
had failed college, I had failed life, and so I thought,
you were back home and live with my parents to

(34:54):
just be a failure. That's always fun. I did that too,
But I would drive up to Sacramento to hang out
with my friends because my whole social circle was like
an hour and a half away. Really sucked a lot.
So this one time I came home and I was
going to go downtown to meet somebody I can't remember,
it's like a bar or whatever. And I was blow
drawing my hair, and also we had this cat that

(35:17):
was acting crazy, just being super weird and flinching and
doing weird shit, and I kept going like what is
why are you doing?

Speaker 3 (35:24):
And so.

Speaker 1 (35:26):
I heard a loud noise while I was blow drawing
my hair, so I turned the blow draff and I
just stand there and then I'm hearing like very faint noises,
so like like a tick here, almost like house settling it, Yeah,
like someone moving slowly through the house. Yeah, or just
the house settling. Like I can't sell. So I go
into my parents' room and they had a their closet

(35:49):
had its own door on it, and I go to
open the door and there it's it won't open, like
it's like someone's pushing back on the door, Karen, And
so I run out of the house, get into my car.
I'm gonna cry, and drive to my old house because
this was the house we moved into when I was

(36:11):
in the city, exactly I move. I drive out to
and this is also you know what, maybe I wasn't
going out because it was like late at night. It's
like eleven o'clock at night. I go out to my
old neighbor, Andy Whittington's, and I wake him up. Him
and his roommate Craig. We're like sleeping in this weird
part of their house, and I'm like, there's someone in

(36:31):
my house. You have to come with me. I get
them to come back to the house with me. They're
all like buoyed up, and yeah, let's check this shit out.
We go in, we're looking around everywhere, and then Andy
goes to open that door, the closet door, and he
opens it and it was like kind of stuck. Yeah,

(36:54):
So I was like, oh, that's probably what it was.
And then as we're both standing, he's like it was stuck.
You're so stupid, and I'm like oh. And then I
look up and there's one of those attic holes yea,
and the attic hole thing is turned to the side,
and I was just like look, I just pointed up
at him and he's like, holy fuck. And we ran

(37:15):
out and called nine one one, oh Mys and the
Pedulum police because it's a tiny town where there like
literally like in two minutes, there was a cop walking
in my backyard like sneaking around. It was crazy. And
then I had to give this whole thing and there
was no one there and it was no one and
it was nothing. And I don't know why they looked

(37:35):
up in the attic, like they looked everywhere and it
was nothing. It was something. It was so crazy and
scary also because in between the time where I thought
someone was pushing back on my parents' closet door, jumping
into the car and driving out to the country to
get Andy Whittington was like one of the scariest things
I've ever.

Speaker 2 (37:54):
Done, because you're like someone's following me or in my
backseat or just what is happening like, But that doesn't
make it okay, that doesn't make any sense that those
both those things happened together, especially the second part, Like the.

Speaker 1 (38:07):
Only thing is the second part. It could have already
been like that, and I just never knew. It was
like one of those things you don't know sure, So
what did your parents say? My Dad's like, you need
to take it easy. Of course, thanks dad.

Speaker 2 (38:19):
I was like, god drama, Oh yeah, men fucking belittling
women and they're fucking This was the one that Georgia
just got militant.

Speaker 1 (38:30):
Are you ready for everything you could ever want in
a murder story? Yeah, because that's what I got right
here from Lauren Cool. She said, Okay, this may end
up a little long, but it's totally worth it. I
grew up in a small northwest suburb of Chicago. My
whole life, I've been hearing about the Columbo murders. It
happened around the corner from the house I grew up in,
but I wasn't born until ten years later. Here goes.

(38:52):
In nineteen seventy six, Patty Colombo and her loser boyfriend
de Luca broke into the home she grew up in
and murdered her mother, father, and thirteen year old brother.
The father, Frank, was shot by DeLuca and then bludgeoned
with a bowling trophy by Patty. Ooh, that's symbolic. That's
not good. Patty's mom, Mary was found cowering in the bathroom.
She was shot between the eyes, which medical examiners said

(39:14):
killed her before she even hit the floor, and then
her throat was slit. Oh you know, just to be sure.
Here's the most fucked up part. And this is bad
because it's her thirteen year old brother. H Her brother, Michael,
thirteen had slept through the initial attack, so Patty and
her boyfriend DeLuca woke come up by shooting at him.
Then Patty stabbed her brother eighty seven times. With sewing scissors.

(39:39):
Oh my gosh. When he was found, officers thought he
had a case of the measles, but then they realized
his measles were little gashes all over his body. Holy shit.
Patty and de Luca then said the thermostat to ninety
seven left the house. The bodies weren't found until three
days later, when Patty was informed of the murders in.

(40:00):
Instead of rushing to their side, she started pointing fingers
to potential leads and even tried to tie the mob Chicago,
What up? Tie in the mob? Sorry? At the funeral,
she was openly flirting with detectives who with a detective
who was playing the role to make Patty crack. After
more digging, they found a bunch of fucked up shit,

(40:20):
like a film of Patty having sex with de Luca's
German Chipard. No oh no, oh oh no, she wrote.

Speaker 3 (40:32):
Like, how does that even work? No, no, no, Lauren,
this is terrible, this is terrrib going.

Speaker 1 (40:43):
Well, oh so her boyfriend, Patty's boyfriend was thirty six
and she was sixteen, shut up, yep uh ew and
he was married with five kids. What the fuck can
you imagine?

Speaker 2 (40:59):
So I'm thirty six, married with five kids, dating a
six years sixteen year old. All of that, including the kids,
sounds impossible.

Speaker 1 (41:05):
Sounds so boring to me. Yeah, a sixteen year old,
you'd be like, aside from POKEMONO, what do you like
or like aside from the shooting video game or virtual rea,
I don't know, killing your family wearing neon pink sunglasses
all the time you were naming the other thing, Maylee.

(41:27):
Oh yeah, I was killing your whole family. I was
just naming that. Oh what worri is there than neo
pink sunglasses. Now she's a model prisoner who can't read
Patty is she's still in jail. Hmm, your man? Fuck everything?
Oh oh, they got indeterminate life sentences, which really means
two hundred to three hundred years. Holy shit. So good

(41:49):
a little justice got served there. Uh oh. She also
rang up. She ran a prostitution ring in jail. What
this woman sounds diabolical. She's trying to take the devil's place. Yeah,
she's trying to out evil. Good God. That had I mean, Lauren,
when you said this is it had everything you could

(42:10):
ever want a murder story. It had a lot of things.
I did not want. Yeah, did not want. That's true.
I have never wanted totally.

Speaker 2 (42:18):
I'm trying to picture sewing scissors. Are those like the
teeny tiny ones? I don't know sewing scissors. Yeah, there's
the smaller ones so that you can cut thread instead. Yeah,
I believe so. Okay, oh, Pattie, I will never I
will never look at a sewing scissors or a.

Speaker 1 (42:39):
Dog fucking video again the same way. Do you promise
the same way? Is this the week you give up
the dog? No, I'm gonna watch them. I'm just gonna
look at it in a different way, right, I mean,
live your life.

Speaker 2 (42:50):
I'm not in any way, Jackson. Don't take my freedom
away completely yet. It's not fucking January twentieth yet.

Speaker 1 (42:59):
Look, you still get to up until the nineteenth watch
whatever cast reality videos you want. Thank you.

Speaker 2 (43:07):
I'm sorry, don't I get to watch. Go take my
beat'st reality and my freedom as a woman.

Speaker 1 (43:16):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (43:17):
This one is from Mary and it's called My Husband's
Murder House. Hey, George and Karen, I've been binging on
your podcast over the past two months on my drive
to and from work since I tope my puppy with me,
So that I can drop him off at Docky Daycare.
He's been binge listening too, and his cute puppy face
makes it easy to get through the more depressing parts

(43:37):
of your podcast.

Speaker 1 (43:39):
Picture please you too.

Speaker 2 (43:41):
Hilarious though, and I feel much better trained to avoid
ever getting murdered.

Speaker 1 (43:45):
Thanks.

Speaker 2 (43:46):
Okay, Uh, so she has two murderers. Let's just try
this one and see if it's good enough to get
to the second one. Yeah, the first took place in
my husband's previous house, and he my husband met the murderer.
My husband sold his home near Columbus, Carolina to Shedderick
and Kia Miller. The sound made up in twenty twelve,

(44:06):
about a year before we met. The couple appeared to
be very happy and moved into the house with their
two small children. Skip ahead a year or so. In
January twenty fourteenth, Shedderick's mother hadn't heard from him in
several days and went to his house to check on him.
She found the two children, aged three and one, so
sad dead in their beds and the couple dead in
their bed just down the hall. According to the police investigation,

(44:28):
the mother and two children had been shot in the
head by the father, husband, and then Shedderick turned the
gun on himself and committed suicide. A little crazy to believe,
especially since no one suspected anything was wrong with the family.
They held Bible studies in their home, and church members
said they didn't show any signs of having problems.

Speaker 1 (44:46):
Same from the neighbors. What about holding Bible studies in
your home.

Speaker 2 (44:50):
But I'm inviting people into your homeing psychopaths.

Speaker 1 (44:54):
Get out of my home.

Speaker 2 (44:55):
I mean, I'm getting my carpet clean, and I want
to charge tomorrow. And I want to charge everyone has
ever been in my apartment to get my carpet gloves.
Oh that's a good idea, isn't it. Yeah, I'll give
you like seven dollars, perfect, thank you.

Speaker 1 (45:06):
Steven e In. For a couple of bucks, I'll give
you five, thank you. Oh yeah, okay, let's see.

Speaker 2 (45:14):
Kia's sister came forward shortly after, though, and stated that
Kia had talked to her about Shudderick's overbearing control of her,
but that since he wasn't violent towards her, Kia thought
she'd be okay. One positive of the story is that
Kia's sister is now sharing her sister's abuse story. And
her own experience is in an abusive relationship with others
in an effort to help women in the same situation.

(45:35):
The other story is a little more unnerving for me,
and a warning to single ladies to be very careful
about who you get involved with. I'm sorry I have
to read it. The other story is more unnerving than
the story you just read. I think you should I
do you mind? I mean, this is a this is
a fucking yeah, this is a fucking shit show.

Speaker 1 (45:54):
This is that everything is going wrong. Episode forty two
is an abject failure.

Speaker 2 (46:00):
Yep, it's called this episode's going to be called abject failure, right. Yes.
The victim, Jennifer Wilson, was my professor for a graduate course,
and I want to express that she was an intelligent, compassionate,
caring and beautiful woman who I had the greatest respect for.
I'm gonna guess she's dead now, probably, I mean, anyways,
and she just talks about something totally different. Yeah, and

(46:22):
the loss of her life impacted a lot of people.
She was brutally killed by Hank Hayes on in twenty eleven.
She had met Hank Hayes through a dating site and
they dated on and off for a little while. Hayes
Hjwees is Hayes or is that hot? Hayes right?

Speaker 1 (46:39):
How hate jw e. S.

Speaker 2 (46:42):
Hawes was a little obsessed with Jennifer, though, and not
in a good way.

Speaker 1 (46:47):
I mean one's a good way.

Speaker 2 (46:48):
I mean she picked up on this and made an
effort to end the relationship, but he refused to let
her move on. He would constantly text her and wouldn't
leave her alone. He showed up to her home in
the middle of the night when evening and attacked her.
One of her neighbors heard her pleading for her life
and called the police. When they arrived, Jennifer had been
stabbed twelve times in her neck and upper body, and

(47:09):
had defensive wounds on her arms. Her body and hair
had been clean. She was unclothed, wrapped in a duvet cover,
and placed on her couch. Hawes was still in the home,
his clothes soaked in blood, and he had slit his
wrists in an attempt to commit suicide. He was tried
for Jennifer's murder, and it only took the jury thirty
minutes to determine he was guilty. He is currently serving

(47:30):
a life sentence without parole. Hugh, what a wrenched man. Ladies,
watch out for yourselves, hug your puppies and cats, and
don't get murdered. Thanks again for the awesome podcast.

Speaker 1 (47:40):
Mary. I feel like I saw that story where the
guys like on an ID channel, like some kind of
stalking show, because oh yeah, there's those stalked awful stocks.
I mean, they have every version of every horrible thing
that's happened to people as a series. Mary, I mean

(48:01):
that's a show. What about swamp kin or something right
or swamp killers or swamp killers just only only murders
and swamps.

Speaker 2 (48:10):
They have just ones of siblings only what else is
there people who have used mason jars only to kill people?

Speaker 1 (48:20):
Oh you mean Martha. Martha Stewart murders. It's called Shout
the Shabby. She murders. She thought she was glassy, but
she was just cheap. Turns out she wanted a light
stain on her old bookcase and that would be the
end of hers and then, but instead the stain was
of blood on her carpet. It would be fun to

(48:43):
be in one of those those voiceover people for the
ID channel, Yeah, because you kind of talk like this,
and then you talk like this and the reality is
and then it's scary down here. Everything's fine and you're wonderable.
But then and then you go into the basement and
something thing happens. Do you want to do one more?

(49:04):
You done? I mean, let's see. I think I marked
one more.

Speaker 2 (49:09):
Okay, why don't you? Let's see? Why don't you?

Speaker 3 (49:13):
Why not?

Speaker 1 (49:14):
Oh wait, I've just found another one. Okay, you go ready?
Oh this is this is one that I got excited
when I saw because uh, we already talked about this.
This firsthand says from Stephanie, and the subject line is
the story is everything my favorite murder dreams slash nightmares

(49:34):
are made of. Hello, ladies, first and foremost, I love
your podcast and I can't get enough. I recently started
listening to and got my mom hooked to. I'm pretty sure.
I'm pretty sure my husband is deeply unsettled by this
and doesn't understand my true crime fascination like those three.

Speaker 2 (49:49):
That's a Trifectas someone finds it, they tell their mom
their husband is freaked out by them.

Speaker 1 (49:53):
Yeah, that keeps happening. Yeah, I love it. I think
that's how great marriages are built. Yeah, so my hometown murder.
It's probably something you've seen in the news recently, and
it takes place mainly in Spartanburg, South Carolina. I said North,
but it's South.

Speaker 2 (50:08):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (50:09):
Todd Colheb has been charged with kidnapping Cola Brown or
Kayla Brown Cola, and keeping her chain by the neck
and ankles for two months inside a metal storage container
on his property. Did I mention Kayla lived down the
street from me in Anderson, South Carolina, As if it
wasn't horrifying enough. Turns out he's a full fledged serial

(50:29):
killer and a bunch of bodies and they found a
bunch of bodies buried on his property. In nineteen eighty seven,
Todd Coleheb was convicted in Arizona for kidnapping and sexually
assaulting a fourteen year old girl. He was only fifteen
at the time of the crew. Wow, oh, I didn't
see that.

Speaker 2 (50:46):
It's really nice when we talk vaguely about something and
then someone comes in with the facts and fills them
in for us, so we don't even have to do
any research.

Speaker 1 (50:53):
I love this. Cole Ops served fourteen years in prison
for this crime and registered as a second defender when
we get out. He decided to resettle in South Carolina,
where he purchased one hundred secluded acres. That's always a
good red flag red flag. Add that to the red
flag list. Secluded acres of land over ten secluded acres.

(51:16):
You don't need it. You don't need that many. I
don't even know what that looks like. It's really big,
and it's only for cows and starch containers, she said?
Can he be any more murdery? How was he allowed
to do this? I mean, I guess it wasn't near
a school or park, but just further's the case for
staying out of the damn woods. He became a real

(51:39):
estate agent. Oh why does that? For some reason? That
really bothers me, because.

Speaker 2 (51:44):
He's around people all the time, families and yes and houses.

Speaker 1 (51:50):
She was working for him, Oh, eventually starting his own
company and employing as many as ten other agents. Do
you have to disclose your sex offender's status to your employees?
If you're the boss, you probably don't, right, I don't know.
So how do you feel about working for She's like
writing a play? So how do you feel about working
for a violent sex offender? Yeah? That's crazy? Yeah, you should.
You can just go on and live your normal life.

(52:12):
I would think that you do have to notify. He
just didn't. I bet.

Speaker 2 (52:16):
I bet it was on the record somewhere. So if
you searched sex offenders in your area, he would come up.
But I bet he doesn't have to tell them if
he's the boss, right, maybe kids, But then if kids
like your kid comes to the office, fack man. I
mean clearly this guy was in't fucking following the rules
to begin with. Yeah, and here's the thing.

Speaker 1 (52:37):
If you're, if you're, if you just got a new job,
you want to check LinkedIn, you want to check sex offenders,
the sex offenders registry. Yeah, just do it. Just do
it anyways. On August thirty first, calib Brown and Charlie Carver,
who live right up the street from me, went missing
when they answered an ad for colep to do some
work help cleaning up the property. When they arrived, he

(52:59):
pulled a gun and took them hostage. He immediately shot
and killed Charlie and buried him in a shallow grave
next to where the shipping container. So she knew, yeah,
she did. Where Cala was chained up for over two months.
Two days after the couple went missing, Anderson County police
started pinging Kyla's cell phone, which eventually led police to
Kollop's property. It took them two weeks to get a
search warrant. They started with flyovers of the property before

(53:22):
taking their search to the ground. Police eventually heard Colla
pounding on the storage container found and they found her unharmed.
Shortly after Kla was rescued, police realized they were dealing
with serial killer. They have since found three other bodies
on the property. He also confessed to a thirteen year
old case where four employees at a Spartansburg motorcycle shop

(53:42):
were shot in the back in broad daylight with no witnesses.
I mean, what in the actual fuck google it. There
is a weird There is weird shit coming out daily
on this guyoo. I am a transplant from Chicago and
am seen often as the northern aggressor who won't say
hi to anyone. But this further proves your argument of
fuck politeness. Apologize later. I do not need help with

(54:05):
my groceries. I don't want to start small talk over
my accent. And thank you Todd cole up for ruining nature.
Thanks for taking the time to read my stories. Stay
out of the woods, stay sexy, don't get murdered, sef
what the buck crazy?

Speaker 2 (54:17):
I wonder who the other bodies are and I want
to look up that fucking shooting. I love when like, okay,
like the murder I know I'm going to do in Chicago,
like there's one or two, but these like huge crimes
that people don't, like a mass shooting, and people are
like how like the yogurt shot murder. Yeah, it's like,
how the fuck do we still not know who did these?
And then just some guy confesses and it's like, okay, yeah,

(54:39):
we would have never found this person.

Speaker 1 (54:40):
Yeah, he has no links, no ties. It's just some
random person that's living to escape these evil things they've
done totally and moving away, like moving to South Carolina,
moving to the countryside.

Speaker 2 (54:54):
So that so that I mean at first when I
when this story broke in, they were like, we found
the kidnaped girl. Then it was like I was so
happy for her, you know, like her life's gonna suck
and be awful and hard to get through, but she
can get through it. And I was when there's when
there's a survivor a store, I'm so fucking relieved, unhappy.

Speaker 1 (55:11):
But it's just not it's not.

Speaker 2 (55:15):
I mean, her boyfriend was killed next to her, you know,
probably and as an intimidation thing for her and Barry
what a fucking.

Speaker 1 (55:24):
I mean, who knows, who knows? No, it's hugely huge
trauma and insane. But she did live. And that's totally
that's that is amazing because those are the stories. I mean,
there's four other bodies on his property, or three other
bodies on his property, and four people he killed in
a motorcycle shop. She's so lucky, so lucky to be alive.

Speaker 2 (55:45):
God bless her, as Karen would say, God bless God
bless her, God bless her.

Speaker 1 (55:50):
How long should we do? One short? One more and
then and then have charity corner? Sure?

Speaker 2 (55:55):
Okay, all right, this is called my Hometown Horror Horror.
Uh hey, I'm new to your podcast. Nice work, by
the way, And I don't know if you're still wanting
stories about hometown murders. Oh we are, but here's mine
if you want it or not.

Speaker 1 (56:10):
I want you, Casey. I want you to be more confident, Casey.
I feel like you feel very vulnerable setting in this murder. Yeah,
and we got you. Yeah, you don't need to make
yourself small. No, we're here with you. Celebrate good times.

Speaker 2 (56:23):
Come on, come on one, so Casey says, Back when
I was about six or seven, something happened that shook
our town to this day. A seventeen year old girl
went out for a run in endless country roads in
this area. Dumbass, never run alone, Like, how do you
not know that it was the nineties? She's just called
a sad person podmas Well. Not surprisingly, she went missing.

(56:47):
Years and years went by. Flash forward to twenty ten.
Another jogger finds this trash bag on the side of
the road. For whatever reason, this weirder decides to look
into the bag. Inside like, there's all victims. Everyone's a
fucking it chazy hates everybody.

Speaker 1 (57:02):
She sounds like me.

Speaker 2 (57:04):
Inside were some of the remains of the woman dismembered
and shut in the bag. Upon further investigation, four more
bags were found scattered around the Country County not Country County,
all containing the same woman's pieces. Fucking how it was
that girl that had gone missing in the nineties, grown
up and fucking dismembered?

Speaker 1 (57:26):
Grown up?

Speaker 2 (57:27):
Wait, the girl who had was a teenager and went
missing in the fucking nineties.

Speaker 1 (57:32):
This wasn't her teenage body. This was her. This is
what it looks like.

Speaker 2 (57:36):
Some fucked up fuck kidnapped that girl, held her for
almost twenty years, murdered her. This is a sad ending
to your last story. Then fucking dismembered her and threw
her in the side ditch. Yep, that's what happened here.
Nothing had happened before that, and nothing has happened since.
The fucker was never caught and the poor family never
got any answers. He lives in town. Clearly right, you

(58:00):
wouldn't bring her all the way back to town twenty
You look so sad.

Speaker 1 (58:04):
Well, I just don't. I mean, I don't. I don't
have a theory except for it's so dark. It's just
like so dark. The twenty years that horrible.

Speaker 2 (58:14):
But what really screws up my mind is that this
random kept this innocent girl alive somewhere close to this
town for almost twenty years. That's where no one was
able to find and save her. How terrible must have
felt to be her and not be able to get
help for that long. Also, how sad for her family
to realize that it's so awful, and then said, also,
what possesses someone to hold someone hostage for that long
and then all of a sudden kill them. What could

(58:36):
have happened to make him snap and murder her after
so long? Okay, I'll stop thinking about it and let
you guys mull this over. Thanks, Thanks, thanks.

Speaker 1 (58:44):
Well, I mean, aren't these always the questions that come
up that cannot be answered? The reason that everybody's interested
in this stuff? And yeah, I mean, what kind of monster?
What does he look like? Does he look like? Have
you seen pictures of Todd cold up the other guy? Yeah,
he's really big. Yeah, like he's a very very age man. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (59:07):
I just wonder, like after twenty years, like, don't you
got attach some to the to the you're victim at
some point.

Speaker 1 (59:14):
Not of your psychopath or path right, No way, which
you would have to be to do that.

Speaker 2 (59:19):
I mean, no, it's twenty They found her adult body.
I was not expecting that. I thought maybe they would
find her like she had been kept somewhere as a
dead teen body.

Speaker 1 (59:32):
It's just a new low. Poor sweet angel, poor sweet
little oh man. Like, well, we went up for a
little while and then we just went right back. What
do we expect. I don't know. Well, I feel just
as awful. How about you? Yeah, I feel pretty bad.

Speaker 2 (59:50):
Well at the end of the show, now we're doing
one good thing, saying one good thing that happened to
us this week?

Speaker 1 (59:55):
Oh yeah, what good thing happened to you this week?

Speaker 2 (59:57):
Nothing but h but I want to say that, I Karen,
we donated some money as my favorite murder.

Speaker 1 (01:00:06):
Oh today I so.

Speaker 2 (01:00:09):
Brian Sofie and Aaron Gibson from the Throwing Shade podcast
started posting on Instagram just screen grabs of the the
charities they were just donating to, and it was just like,
just do this, just do like they kept posting places
that they were donating to, and I was like, all right,
you know what, I feel like, shit, I'm going to
try that. So I did a couple and I did

(01:00:30):
one as my favorite murder to the National Coalition against
Domestic Violence.

Speaker 1 (01:00:35):
Great, So we did that. That's a one good thing.
That's perfect, right, that's a great thing. Yeah. Yeah, money counts.
Spend your money wisely.

Speaker 2 (01:00:46):
Yeah, And if you don't have money to give, just
give blood or become a done marrow.

Speaker 1 (01:00:51):
Transplant. I'm on the don marrow trans Are you Are
you a don marrow? I'm a doner? What did I said? Wow,
I didn't even catch that don't marrow shit?

Speaker 2 (01:01:02):
Man?

Speaker 1 (01:01:02):
And can I point out I've been drinking water this
whole time. I'm old.

Speaker 2 (01:01:07):
I mean, I'm not ship based, but I'm just having
a drinking You're just drinking water. Yeah, bone marrow, transplant,
donor list and blood. Try to give money, You're just
like give every possible thing, give it all the way,
you know what it is?

Speaker 1 (01:01:23):
Just try to do things for other people. That's actually
it really is. Something that makes people feel better is
when you make human connection and you help out, be
a helper. I think that's a great idea. It's also
something that I have to say, like, I I'm not
that good at because I'm always like time and oh
and pain or my comfort or whatever. I feel like

(01:01:44):
that's something I would like to do better at, which
is like, that's the whole idea of like volunteering a
sacrifice and you're supposed to be kind of giving of yourself.
It's supposed to be time off of your couch where
you're not comfortable. That's the whole idea. Yeah, yeah, all right,
So the thing I was going to mention is our

(01:02:06):
friend Glennis McCarthy, who is Matt McCarthy's wife.

Speaker 2 (01:02:10):
Of the We Watch Wrestling podcast, of the We Watch
Wrestling podcast of Georgia's Husband's podcast, and Glennis's grandpa UH
had Alzheimer's and it's a a UH the Alzheimer's organization,

(01:02:31):
which is it's a C T dot al z dot org.
You can go there and Glennis's walk donation page. You
can donate to her because there's going to be the
walk on November twelfth, and you can donate to support
her walk. Her name is spelled Glennis G l E

(01:02:54):
n n I S pastrophe s walk donation page. I'm
sure if you search it on the Alzheimer's Association website
you will find it.

Speaker 1 (01:03:06):
And my mom has a page on there as well.
My mom died of Alzheimer's in January, and I had
a lot of very lovely people when she died. Donate
to that page. It's just it's a disease. It has
to get cured because so many people are getting it,
and they're right on the verge of a cure. They
say there's a cure coming that they're working on right now,

(01:03:28):
and they're trying to get into the final stages that
that doesn't just stop the Alzheimer's, it reverses it. It
gets rid of the plaque or the thing that they
think causes it in the brain. Yeah, it kind of
flushes it out. Yeah, so that would be if that's
something we could do. It's as big to me as
like cancer, obviously because for personal reasons, but also because

(01:03:50):
it's the kind of thing that like the way people
live in this country, and you know, it's it's becoming
the hugest problem and it's.

Speaker 2 (01:04:01):
A long it's a long haul. When someone you love
gets it, it's not it's awful. It goes on for years. Yeah,
and it's terrible. So yeah, a lot of people need support.
Giving money to the Alzheimer's organization. You know, they have
a lot of great support groups and stuff. They you know,
there's outreach and they help people a lot. There's a

(01:04:22):
lot of good help. So if your family's going through that,
you probably already have. I mean, Jesus, all you do
is look stuff up on the internet. But Alzheimer's organization
is a really good one. And so there's I guess
their walk. I think their walk is every year on
November twelve, they're like every year in November. Yeah, but

(01:04:43):
please donate to that. Definitely, that's amazing.

Speaker 1 (01:04:46):
Yeah, I like that that.

Speaker 2 (01:04:48):
Maybe we should just do that at the end. We
each have a charity that we're there's some charitable organization
that we share.

Speaker 1 (01:04:56):
Not every week. I know that's just fake. Then it's like, oh,
to save the starfish, Like, come on, I don't care
about that anything. Okay, fair enough, you do it. You
can't a good one. Get my friend me me me
came to see you. He means my friend, and she's
not everybody's friend. No, maybe I don't like everyone. She freaks.

(01:05:18):
She gets a little freaked out, you guys, she digs
you too. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:05:23):
Well go go, you guys, go do something good for someone. Yeah,
and it'll make you feel better about fucked up. Everything
is right.

Speaker 1 (01:05:33):
Let what happens right, Let us know if it works. Yeah, hey, Elvis,
come in here. Thanks for listening to you. Guys. We hope, uh,
we hope. You know we have hope.

Speaker 2 (01:05:44):
Uh, stay saxy and don't get murdered.

Speaker 1 (01:05:47):
Elvis, do you want to cook e? Come on? Man?
Oh man, MEMI you want to cook e?

Speaker 2 (01:05:55):
Me me? No? Me be my friend Elvis, Cookie, Hi, cookie, cooky.

Speaker 1 (01:06:06):
All right?

Speaker 2 (01:06:07):
Then I heard him cookie, I mean, see we go, yeah,
here he goes, here it goes.

Speaker 1 (01:06:13):
Elvis, want a cookie? You want kindly my cookie? Take
your time. Well, now you're gonna have to wait for
a cookie. Yeah cookie cookie Yeah alright, bye bye