53 - Live at The Orpheum

Wake up dads, it's My Favorite Murder live from The Orpheum theater in Los Angeles! On stage, Karen and Georgia tell the sordid tales of the LA Ripper and the Greystone Mansion Murders. Then, Dave Anthony and Gareth Reynolds from The Dollop stop by to tell their 'hometown' stories.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:22):
Oh yeah, good on him.

Speaker 2 (00:37):
Thank you very it's a little bit too here, guy.

Speaker 3 (00:43):
What you said, it's a little too loud. It was
a little bit too loud, bananas. I'm so glad you
guys didn't go to the marches and came here instead.

Speaker 4 (00:54):
Thank you. Hey.

Speaker 2 (00:58):
It's pretty cool that we decided to do our live, first,
huge live LA show the same day that the revolution started.
I'm all right, yeah, hi, hi.

Speaker 4 (01:15):
It started one one like one. Dad is like, wait
where the fuck?

Speaker 2 (01:20):
Yeah? Get wake up dad?

Speaker 4 (01:23):
It started, fucking see you.

Speaker 2 (01:26):
Madonna said fuck on CNN it started.

Speaker 4 (01:31):
You know, that's been the cue that we've all been
waiting for this whole time.

Speaker 2 (01:35):
Man, that's my Madonna. That's the Madonna.

Speaker 4 (01:39):
I remember what it's.

Speaker 3 (01:41):
Like, the actual Madonna, Like the Jesus is Mommy Madonna.

Speaker 4 (01:44):
Was like, fuck you wool sucks. Uh. That's Karen and
that's Georgia Oki and where my favorite murder? Stupid?

Speaker 2 (02:00):
That's stupid. Let's never do that again. We never introduce ourselves,
I know, we never say we're my favorite murder.

Speaker 4 (02:07):
That's super lame.

Speaker 3 (02:11):
Okay, I'm gonna fall there's a weird.

Speaker 2 (02:14):
Let's go ahead and just take five minutes to make
this our own.

Speaker 4 (02:17):
So thank you guys, sol much. Whoa, whoa, whoa.

Speaker 3 (02:20):
All right, here we go, let's do it. Okay, I guess,
tell me, I guess.

Speaker 2 (02:29):
Of all the signs I saw today, the one I
saw that I love the best was the one with
the picture of Ruth Bader Ginsburg.

Speaker 4 (02:39):
Did you see that one? No? Where?

Speaker 2 (02:42):
It was like, all you five is better? Listen when
a ten is talking? Yeah?

Speaker 4 (02:49):
God, that's right. Fuck dude, there's a new rating system.
And I couldn't be happier.

Speaker 3 (02:59):
Holy shit. There were a lot of good signs today.
I think one of being like a guy was holding
up a sign that was just like, I have nothing
to say it because I'm sick of hearing men talk.

Speaker 4 (03:10):
Come on, so.

Speaker 2 (03:13):
Many tweets and responses, call and response, but so many things.

Speaker 4 (03:21):
You know, Harry, I don't. Let's get deep. Okay.

Speaker 2 (03:24):
Look, here's the truth. This is the dress I wore
to the New York Live Show. Some of you may
recognize it.

Speaker 4 (03:31):
I didn't know.

Speaker 3 (03:31):
Yeah, I have to tell on my I pay attention
to myself. I might have actually might have worn this
is something and I just don't remember.

Speaker 2 (03:38):
Well, let's want you to take a stand up and
let's take a look at it. No, do a walk,
let's both do it. No, just walk it out.

Speaker 4 (03:48):
No, okay, I will because look look, okay.

Speaker 2 (03:53):
The only reason I'm doing this is because if my
sister saw the shoes I was wearing with this dress,
she would be so livid at me. She's always like,
take the time, buy a two hundred and fifty dollars shoe.

Speaker 4 (04:06):
You deserve, it is wrong with it.

Speaker 3 (04:08):
Let's like onesie twosies pick at each other one, two, three, four?

Speaker 4 (04:12):
Date do my sister's actually.

Speaker 2 (04:19):
Fives? Better listen when these tens are talking. And by
that I mean the size of my shoe.

Speaker 4 (04:26):
That's right.

Speaker 2 (04:27):
I bought a size too big a Target because they
didn't have nines.

Speaker 3 (04:32):
I mean sometimes you just gotta My feet are broken
because when I was younger, I was like, size six
looks cuter than SI seven.

Speaker 4 (04:40):
So that's downright ancient Chinese of you.

Speaker 3 (04:42):
Hey, yeah, yeah, my actual real life sister is here.

Speaker 4 (04:50):
No, don't know.

Speaker 2 (04:51):
Yeah, let's get a spotlight on her.

Speaker 4 (04:53):
Barbie, get my head.

Speaker 2 (04:54):
That's right, Lee, you mother, Hey, she made you who
you are today.

Speaker 3 (05:03):
She did a broken human being. I love you. Let's
you have the best kid I've ever met in my life.

Speaker 2 (05:09):
Huh, well, I do have a present for you.

Speaker 3 (05:17):
You can't keep sneaking presents at me.

Speaker 4 (05:19):
I certainly can.

Speaker 2 (05:21):
This one is the best because if the last episode
we talked about, I talked about going to see Golden
Girls Live, which is the best show ever.

Speaker 4 (05:30):
Yes, that's right, let's cheer for everything.

Speaker 2 (05:34):
Casita Stell Campo, Drew, Joji, Jackie Peach, Erry Vine.

Speaker 3 (05:37):
Sampanco Campo. Everyone after the party, after party, go there.

Speaker 4 (05:42):
Yeah, it'll be the.

Speaker 2 (05:43):
After after party. They're closed. We'll stand around on the party. Mom.
But so I told Georgia that at the end of
the last podcast, and then she told me about the
mug they make, and it is a mug that haunts
the kiss.

Speaker 4 (06:00):
Of the Golden Girls live on it.

Speaker 2 (06:02):
So it's all those guys dressed up like their characters
and the Golden Girls and on the other side of
the mug, one side is that picture and the other
side it says thank you for being a cunt.

Speaker 4 (06:12):
And she did not. Well, here's the thing.

Speaker 2 (06:17):
So Georgia was like, she told me about that mug,
but I had already bought her mug at the live show.
But then had second thoughts because I was like, wait,
is she gonna think I'm passively aggressively calling her a cunt? Like, oh, here,
thanks for being a cunt.

Speaker 3 (06:36):
No, I don't think that deeply. Okay, good, then here
thanks for being a cunt.

Speaker 4 (06:41):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yes, what if I just went, yeah,
smash it? Oh my, it's.

Speaker 2 (06:47):
Anarchy tonight, ladies and gentlemen.

Speaker 4 (06:51):
I am a cunt, and I'm proud of it. Yeah,
I mean too, it's fun.

Speaker 3 (06:55):
Oh how do you feel about people who bring their
babies to protest?

Speaker 2 (07:00):
I don't give a shit about anything.

Speaker 4 (07:02):
The world is about to blow up.

Speaker 2 (07:04):
You can fucking bring a dead body to a protest.
To show up, show up, love.

Speaker 4 (07:10):
It, love it. Sorry, it was a strong reaction.

Speaker 2 (07:13):
I haven't it. I haven't had any protein a couple hours.
I'm about to go off.

Speaker 4 (07:20):
I'm doing this. Yeah, girl, it might have dustinate man.

Speaker 2 (07:25):
No, because I actually in thinking I shouldn't give it
to you. I ran it through the washing machine, I
mean the dishwashing the dish. God.

Speaker 4 (07:35):
Really, it's so thoughtful because you're going to keep it.
I was going to keep it. I was going to
keep it. Great, thank you.

Speaker 2 (07:42):
I was going to keep it and then imagine my
chills when you were like, they have this mug and
I was like, what.

Speaker 4 (07:50):
Are fake? What it was? Oh that sounds so weird. Well,
thank you, that's so kind of you. You're welcome.

Speaker 3 (07:56):
We were gonna Karen was like, let's bring signs out
and I was like, what kind of sign And then
like we have this giant Elvis head that we were
given at the Chicago thing, sake braves, what's up?

Speaker 4 (08:08):
And I thought we should say be quiet? I thought.
I think.

Speaker 3 (08:13):
I was like, well, what if we write, uh, keep
your hands off my cookies, because that'd be funny.

Speaker 4 (08:20):
But I didn't. I didn't do it because I needed
a nap, That's right. Yeah, you know.

Speaker 2 (08:27):
Some people are dedicated and they craft and they glue
and glitter, and then some people got a sleep.

Speaker 4 (08:34):
Some people.

Speaker 3 (08:35):
Some people tell a friend who's having a meetup before
they go to the protests. Some people tell them that
they're going to show up and they can't go to
the protest because of anxiety, but they'll drive everyone to
the train station. And then some people can't wake up
before seven thirty, and then don't do that, and then
just promise.

Speaker 2 (08:52):
We'll take them to lunch next week. How many people
were involved in this? Yes, because there's were you all
of them in that one? Okay, So I'm going.

Speaker 4 (09:01):
To lunch alone next Uh?

Speaker 2 (09:06):
Should we start? It feels like we should. Don't you
feel like listening to a couple. Don't you feel like
listening to a couple of stories?

Speaker 4 (09:15):
Thanks all of you for being a friend.

Speaker 2 (09:17):
Right, that's a that's for sure. What who's travel down
the road and back again?

Speaker 4 (09:23):
Who's who's first?

Speaker 2 (09:25):
Oh?

Speaker 4 (09:25):
Oh is her nan? Okay?

Speaker 2 (09:28):
Thank you?

Speaker 4 (09:29):
Here we go? Hell, I get a chilled up bunk out.

Speaker 2 (09:33):
Guys, I am, I mean, seriously refuse what? Don't care?
H My ship's here, I've gotta go. Oh well oh hooy?

Speaker 4 (09:58):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (09:59):
So I decided, because we're downtown and it's such a
rich and storied past that the city, and we're in it,
we're sitting in it right now, that I would do
an old downtown, old timey murder. Yeah, and right?

Speaker 4 (10:18):
Why not?

Speaker 2 (10:19):
So I decided to do the murder of the La Ripper.
Ever heard of that guy? I know?

Speaker 4 (10:27):
They're all his grandchildren.

Speaker 2 (10:29):
They're like, how dare you speak of my grandpappy that way?

Speaker 4 (10:34):
Okay? Oh, yeaha tell me everything. Okay. This was a
guy named Otto Wilson.

Speaker 2 (10:39):
He was born in Shelbyville, Indiana, graduated from high school
in nineteen thirty.

Speaker 4 (10:45):
He moved to Indianapolis.

Speaker 2 (10:46):
He served in the Navy in nineteen forty one, and
then he was given a medical discharge after his wife
complained to the San Diego Naval authorities about his unnatural impulses.

Speaker 3 (10:58):
Ooh, that's all it say. He wants to touch my butt. Yeah,
don't touch her butt. But what does he want to
touch her butt with? That makes it feel so unnatural?

Speaker 4 (11:07):
Like children? Stupid?

Speaker 2 (11:14):
Do? Well, it turns out that before she left him, ultimately,
and I guess after she made that complaint, Uh.

Speaker 4 (11:25):
He had cut her butt with a razor. I wasn't wrong,
you were right.

Speaker 3 (11:30):
No, it's kind of wrong. No, No, you're right, her butt.
Your razors and children are very similar. Hey, both fucking
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (11:39):
So. So there is a quote in this article I stole.

Speaker 2 (11:43):
I just it was straight up, like cut and paste
plagiarism from two things that I then forgot to take
the actual names of the people who wrote these articles.

Speaker 4 (11:52):
And that's my favorite Marina.

Speaker 5 (11:55):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (11:55):
So there's some there's some very flowery language that is
not my own. I'll find it and say it later
with an apology and it'll be boring.

Speaker 4 (12:06):
But this was one of.

Speaker 2 (12:07):
The sentences that I love that I couldn't paste on
to hear in the orphanage in the Navy. In his
last months of drifting, women had always subtly domineered over him.

Speaker 3 (12:19):
I'm sorry, but like, fucking let it happen, bro, what's
the problem with that?

Speaker 4 (12:26):
Get into being domineered over? We know our shit. Chill
the fuck out, you.

Speaker 2 (12:30):
Know what I mean. It's kind of hot to be
domineered over sometimes.

Speaker 4 (12:33):
Tom. He probably sucked a fucking she was in the ship,
was like, can you touch me in my normal area?

Speaker 2 (12:40):
Domin Nope, undo the razor turn around, yeah, fuck you man.
So it all kind of He was on a bender,
his wife left him, things were bad for several years.
He on November fifteenth, nineteen forty four. He had been
on uh he had been on a two day bender

(13:02):
at that point, and at some point in that time
he had bought himself a butcher knife.

Speaker 4 (13:08):
Fine, oh, so what.

Speaker 2 (13:10):
Did he just go into like Macy's or something kind
of drunk? You know how you do with hot dogs
at pinks, but with a butcher knife.

Speaker 3 (13:17):
You don't even need a license anymore to get a
butcher knife.

Speaker 4 (13:19):
That's right. Get him, willy nilly.

Speaker 3 (13:22):
You can fucking register for one at a wedding. I mean, yeah,
you've both done that.

Speaker 4 (13:29):
That's right.

Speaker 2 (13:30):
So he was at a bar and he met a
woman named Virginia Lee Griffin. It was on main Street. Yes, dangerously,
he's to where we are now, but quite quite a
long time ago. Uh. She told him her name was Virgie,
and she's described as a big young woman with lipsticksmeared
too heavily on her lips. Fucking ass, I mean sounds familiar, though,

(13:53):
I'm into it. Hey, Hi, she was married but her
husband was away and she liked a good time.

Speaker 4 (14:02):
Who does it?

Speaker 2 (14:04):
So they drank together and then they decided to go
somewhere more private, and he very gallantly held her arm
as they crossed the street in.

Speaker 4 (14:12):
The rain like this.

Speaker 2 (14:14):
It's not like sweetly all nails. He has really weirdly
long nails. Oh what if it's the guy from the
Guinness Book of World Records with the longest nails ever?
And he is like, do you want to go somewhere
more private. No, I don't know what we're talking about anymore.

(14:36):
So they went to the old Barclay Hotel, which at
that time I think was relatively new. It wasn't that
I hate to shit on someone else's writing then I'm stealing,
But I think it was pretty new back then. So
apparently they say that she was overheard as saying when
she walked in, and this is the way it's written,

(14:58):
So I'm gonna do a little voice for it. Please
if you don't mind, here's the quote. Don't clapper than
I won't want to do it, haven't you don't you
know me yet? So she looked up unsteadily as they
walked into the hotel, and she said, I got my
horoscope told Wednesday's my lucky day.

Speaker 4 (15:18):
Oh honey, Virgie. Also, I'm gonna get waited today. Am
I wrong?

Speaker 2 (15:24):
I mean no, I think you're dead on it. And
that's how you know that astrology isn't real.

Speaker 4 (15:30):
I mean, because this doesn't prove it. I don't know
what else you need.

Speaker 2 (15:36):
So they registered as mister and missus os Wilson of Steubenville, Indiana,
and after they'd been in the room, they had a
couple drinks from a bottle of whiskey he brought.

Speaker 4 (15:46):
She demanded more money from him.

Speaker 2 (15:49):
So the funny part at that point is that they
hadn't really mentioned that she had gotten money before that.
So she was a sex worker or a married lady
that liked to have fun. Maybe that's the way they
said it back then.

Speaker 4 (16:04):
Fair enough, dude, I.

Speaker 2 (16:06):
Mean whatever, uh yours? So what he said to the
cops was, somehow I got sore.

Speaker 4 (16:13):
I socked her and then I cut her.

Speaker 2 (16:16):
I was going to dismember her body and get rid
of it, but I found that I couldn't do it.

Speaker 4 (16:20):
So I left. Oh what a gentleman, What a fucking
an asshole? I got sore. I socked her. I mean,
that's how you know it's not from now, so he lol.

Speaker 3 (16:35):
So he punched her in the face so hard that
he killed her.

Speaker 4 (16:38):
Right, No, what you want to go? You know, I
was listening. Now, that's a better story.

Speaker 2 (16:49):
No, no, No, he was mad that she was like
basically being kind of greedy and like, nah, you know,
and he what he would do was strangle them and
they would like pass out, and then he would cut.

Speaker 4 (17:01):
Them and kill them.

Speaker 2 (17:04):
So when he left the hotel room. He gave the
maid a dollar and he told her not to disturb
his wife. And then later on, of course, they found
the body and it was sprawled on the bed and
she had been slashed. Her body had been slashed open

(17:24):
from her throat to her vagina, and her entrails were
pulled out.

Speaker 4 (17:32):
It gets worse.

Speaker 2 (17:33):
If you want to try to really orchestrate the reactions.

Speaker 4 (17:36):
And kind of tighten it up and.

Speaker 3 (17:38):
Get shut it out together, there's no orchestra.

Speaker 2 (17:44):
Her breasts had been cut off, and an arm and
a leg they were partly severed, and the murder weapon,
a razor sharp carving knife, lay near the body.

Speaker 4 (17:56):
A man. That guy was like halfway through and I
was like, I can't fucking I can't do it anymore.
Fucking tired. I'm tired.

Speaker 3 (18:04):
How many times have we said leave the eyes and
the boobies alone.

Speaker 4 (18:08):
They won't listen.

Speaker 2 (18:10):
So he leaves the hotel after u that fucking carnage,
and he goes to the million dollar theater to see
Boris Karloff in The Walking Dead.

Speaker 3 (18:23):
I don't know, it's just fun to make some references.
I don't know why, pointing at everyone.

Speaker 2 (18:28):
Yeah, just you know, you you love that movie and
place and thing fucking sickos. So when the movie was done,
he went to another bar, and he went and met
a woman named Lilian Johnson. Uh huh, and he took
her to the Joyce Hotel where they registered as mister

(18:50):
and missus os Watson, same same day. So he realized
he it was the same situation where he gets into
the room and then he told the cops.

Speaker 4 (19:03):
Like, uh, I don't know, I just got mad.

Speaker 2 (19:06):
I just got mad, and I hit her and but
of course she was found in the exact same condition
that Virgie was found in.

Speaker 4 (19:14):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (19:15):
And but while, but apparently while he he beat her up,
and then he realized that he had left his knife
at the other hotel, so he whipsy he shaved and
then and she was like, uh, unconscious on the floor.
He shaves, and then he takes the straight razor that

(19:37):
he just used to shave and and kills her and
starts to cut her up. Then on the way out
of this hotel, he stops by the desk clerk and says,
my wife is sleeping, please don't disturb her.

Speaker 4 (19:50):
Code for I just murdered my this chick. I just
said my yeah.

Speaker 2 (19:54):
Uh so, witnesses from both hotels gave the cops similar descriptions.
They took that information, they created a dragnet all around
where we are right now, and one cop is in
a bar and he sees a man matching auto's description
in a booth in deep conversation with a brunette in

(20:15):
a tight red dress.

Speaker 4 (20:16):
Oh honey, so he was he was going to do
it again?

Speaker 2 (20:20):
He was, he was. He had lit his cigarette with
a matchbook and the matchbook said the Barclay Hotel, and
his hands had blood on them. And the cop was like,
excuse me, I'd love to speak with you for a second.
Give it a week, like chill of k can't. He
simply has no chill, So they bring him in. He

(20:46):
immediately confesses to both killings. He admits his compulsion toward bloodlust.
And he told this the police that his his first
wife left him because it would creep up on her
when she was naked and slash should her.

Speaker 4 (21:00):
Buttocks with a razor. Fucking fuck, I mean, uh, that's
not cool.

Speaker 3 (21:06):
Uh, Like, one time you're like.

Speaker 4 (21:09):
Goodbye like that the fuck?

Speaker 2 (21:11):
Well, one time you're like was that a mistake?

Speaker 4 (21:15):
Tell me now.

Speaker 2 (21:16):
If it was a mistake.

Speaker 3 (21:17):
And anytime you need stitches because of your fucking husband,
it's time to get the fuck out of there.

Speaker 2 (21:23):
Ah unless, but here's the super gross part. He told
the cops that his favorite pastime was kissing and licking
the blood away while he apologized for his odd build e.
There's so many other pastimes, Like there's sail boarding.

Speaker 4 (21:44):
And yeah, you know how great like naps are.

Speaker 2 (21:47):
Yeah, naps, raccoons anything to look up like raccoons and
the encyclope raccoons are like amazing, wash their own food
with their little hands. Uh.

Speaker 4 (21:59):
Vidy YouTube videos of ravens talking. They can talk. They
talk better than Paris.

Speaker 3 (22:05):
Yes, it's crazy and no one, no one knows that.
Everyone here is like, why you like, it's true? It
is so true.

Speaker 2 (22:12):
Anyhow, Look, I'm gonna wrap it up by saying that
he doctor Victor park In, the defense psychiatrist and a
member of the Los Angeles Lunacy Commission. Oh, that's the
thing that's going to be a thing again, and we
got to bring it back, you guys, that's the next march.
This man testified that that auto was in a semi

(22:33):
automatic state and he had no feelings. Oh, way up
top on that one, so fast, so fast that those good.

Speaker 4 (22:44):
Thank uh. He was in a dream like state.

Speaker 2 (22:49):
He didn't realize he was butchering a fellow human.

Speaker 4 (22:53):
I disagree, baby, And.

Speaker 2 (22:58):
Basically they said he was crazy, and so then Auto
Steve Wilson. I didn't notice that before Auto Steve Wilson
was executed in the gas chamber of San quentin in
prison in September.

Speaker 3 (23:14):
Of nineteen forty this says right here. But his son,
Auto Steve Ray Morris Junior, Oh my god, so live today.

Speaker 2 (23:24):
Fuck. I noticed that Stephen would often scrape up against
my butt with sharp things.

Speaker 4 (23:32):
Enough of that. Okay, that was awesome. Thanks, I appreciate it, guys.

Speaker 2 (23:39):
I didn't write it. I just read it and interpreted it.
Thank you.

Speaker 3 (23:45):
Okay, mine is also vintage because there's a lot of
sad crimes today but not a lot of cool ones.

Speaker 4 (23:52):
Man.

Speaker 3 (23:53):
Yeah, it's just like a bunch of shitty shit, all right, So.

Speaker 4 (23:59):
Jesus, it wasn't real. Okay, do you want some daika?

Speaker 3 (24:02):
No?

Speaker 4 (24:02):
Thank you?

Speaker 2 (24:03):
Uh?

Speaker 3 (24:03):
Greystone Mansion, Am I wrong? Also known as the dahiny
Doheeny Murders?

Speaker 4 (24:11):
Am I wrong? People? I'm not wrong?

Speaker 2 (24:13):
If I'm just saying, doheeny mansion?

Speaker 4 (24:15):
Am I wrong? Never?

Speaker 3 (24:18):
Because three people were like, yes, yes, and I was
asking them, Am I am I wrong? No?

Speaker 4 (24:23):
You're never wrong?

Speaker 2 (24:24):
So uh.

Speaker 3 (24:25):
The Doheit the Grayson the Greystone Mansion is a fifty
five room mansion in Beverly Hills.

Speaker 4 (24:31):
It's built to night to twenty eight.

Speaker 3 (24:33):
At the time, it cost over four million dollars to
build and was the most expensive home in California. Whoa,
and it was also known as the Dodohiny Mansion because
it was a gift from the oil tycoon Edward Doheany
to his fucking kind of shitty son?

Speaker 4 (24:48):
Ned? Why are you talking? Ned?

Speaker 2 (24:51):
Ned?

Speaker 4 (24:52):
All right?

Speaker 3 (24:52):
Ned might not be shitty, but okay, you know what
I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (24:56):
If he's a doheany, let's not be rude to Ned
and us. That is a here we go.

Speaker 2 (25:03):
Oh oh, this is about note. Oh shit, I spoke
too soon.

Speaker 4 (25:07):
I'm sorry. You don't know.

Speaker 3 (25:09):
So Edward Johaney, the older dude comes from a poor
Irish immigrant background.

Speaker 4 (25:14):
Do not point at me. No.

Speaker 2 (25:15):
I was like, remember remember that it was only two
generations ago.

Speaker 4 (25:22):
You did that.

Speaker 3 (25:22):
I did it, okay, So in and In Edward's late
like in the late thirties, which gives me hope with
my life.

Speaker 4 (25:31):
He becomes he was super poor and then.

Speaker 3 (25:33):
He like becomes a California oil tycoon.

Speaker 2 (25:36):
He drills, you can do it, I could do that.
Like there's oil everywhere, you can find it.

Speaker 4 (25:42):
Give him there.

Speaker 3 (25:44):
So he you know, you know, on like La Cianica
when you're on your way to the airport and there
are those like dinosaurs like oil us, Like he's the
guy who fucking found those.

Speaker 2 (25:52):
Oh the confidential ones, yes, yes.

Speaker 3 (25:56):
And like the tar pits, like that's all that's all
him did.

Speaker 4 (25:59):
He made tar He fucking may of the tarbet. He
sent those dinosaur bulls in there. Huh.

Speaker 3 (26:05):
So he becomes the first successful oil well guy and
like there will be blood is like this basically him, okay,
And he makes a fucking fortune and then he eventually
owns one of the largest oil companies in the world.
And this is the nineteen twenties where everything was cool.
So his son Ned is living off the money and

(26:26):
like you know, pretending to be a businessman. And then
in nineteen thirteen, I think he's in his late teens
early twenties, he meets a man named Hugh Plunkett and
don't fucking let it. And then at the time, Hugh
is working at a gas station near the house owned
by like friends, and Hugh and Ned become good friends,

(26:49):
and Hugh starts working for the Dohani family and eventually
becomes Ned's personal secretary. Uh huh, and he travels with
him on business and they're like fucking tight as shit.

Speaker 2 (26:59):
Okay, no, I get it. Med rolled up to the
gas station one days.

Speaker 4 (27:05):
Like say that gas my dad made that washed my windows.

Speaker 3 (27:10):
According to a family friend, their relationship was more than
that of friends, and another said that they were like brothers.

Speaker 2 (27:16):
M M brothers that made out all the time.

Speaker 4 (27:20):
They are ena.

Speaker 3 (27:21):
So in November nineteen twenty one, they the two of
them check into a suite in this fucking place, and
then Ned takes out one hundred thousand dollars, which is
about ten million inch a day's money, which I fucking
love hearing though.

Speaker 4 (27:33):
Oh everyone gasped that people love money.

Speaker 3 (27:36):
Ten million, like that's like the week we could like
we could like retire for five years off of them.

Speaker 4 (27:43):
Uh da da dah okay.

Speaker 3 (27:45):
So Ned takes it out of his bank account and
then he and Hugh go to DC.

Speaker 4 (27:50):
They meet with this dude who's the.

Speaker 3 (27:52):
Secretary of the v Centarium for the Harding Administration, and
Albert fun and the guy. So this dude, Albert Fall,
is a friend of the older dude Doheiny, And they
hand them the money and in return, Fall gives them
a promisory note. And then I slept through history literally

(28:16):
and fucking was on drugs.

Speaker 2 (28:17):
Okay, So basically there's some kind of an oily business
deal going down.

Speaker 3 (28:22):
You guys, remember the words Teapot Dome scandal.

Speaker 4 (28:26):
This is it. I don't think I know.

Speaker 3 (28:28):
Okay, something happens that like Fall gives Doheeny a bunch
of shit and a bunch of oil stuff and and
exchange for the hundred bucks.

Speaker 4 (28:35):
So it's like super shady and shit.

Speaker 3 (28:37):
And then so Albert follows eventually charged with conspiracy to
defraud the United States as part of the teapot Dome scandal.

Speaker 4 (28:46):
That's not a problem anymore, apparently.

Speaker 3 (28:48):
Give everyone money and get fucked yourself. The hearing ned,
so Ned the Sun has to testify against his pops,
and he says that you know, he like, no, we
didn't do anything wrong, and Ned and Hugh his fucking
boyfriend friend. Uh, they're implicated and okay, so at the end,

(29:12):
the dad gets acquitted kind of, and so as Ned's loyalty,
he builds him the Greystone Manor.

Speaker 2 (29:19):
Okay, oh shit, all right, I forgot about that.

Speaker 4 (29:22):
Now we're back.

Speaker 3 (29:23):
We're back in at the Greystone Manner. Remember the biggest
house you've ever heard of in your life?

Speaker 2 (29:27):
Can I just tell you really quick? I went and
saw a play done in the Greystone manner. Yes, where
you walk around the play is a Greystone manner.

Speaker 4 (29:36):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, because they do a thing. I can't think.

Speaker 2 (29:39):
Maybe it's for Christmas or something, but you walk around
like you're at this party, and then the actors are
around you.

Speaker 4 (29:46):
I hate shit like that so much.

Speaker 2 (29:48):
I think it's so embarrassing to be that close to,
like an actor. Lady, Oh I have a vest on.
I was like, oh, don't look at me. But anyway, Yeah,
but the house itself was lovely.

Speaker 3 (30:00):
It's amazing. No, that's fucking awesome.

Speaker 2 (30:03):
Okay, all right, okay.

Speaker 4 (30:06):
Then Karen Kilgarret.

Speaker 3 (30:07):
Was there, yes, finally, Okay, So Hugh starts going fucking
crazy at this point because he's like, I have to
I'm just like a poor dude, and I have to
fucking testify against maybe my lover and his pops and
blah blah blah blah. Okay, So on February sixteenth, nineteen
twenty nine, Hugh this.

Speaker 4 (30:28):
Is the gas station, dude.

Speaker 3 (30:30):
He lets himself into the main house because he had
a key, and he used to hang out in this
room like it was his bedroom.

Speaker 4 (30:37):
Sometimes I'm in a belch. I'll really soon do it, okay.

Speaker 3 (30:42):
Uh So, so Ned and Hugh they meet in this
guest bedroom and Hugh's fucking the fuck out, apparently. And
then around eleven o'clock, Lucy, the wife of Ned, who's
like a fucking staunch Catholic, here's a shot while she's
in the living room reading magazines. And who does she
call to be liked a shot? The police? No, they

(31:04):
the family doctor. Oh what are you gonna say, Batman? No, no, no,
I just rich people. Never call the cops. No, you
called the fucking doctor. Call your lawyer, you can get you,
call your anyone. And if there's so many people, the
things helped me and uncle, I'm not gonna name people.
So he Okay, So the doctor says to the cops

(31:28):
that he hears Hugh yelling at them from this like
place not to come into the room.

Speaker 4 (31:32):
And there's the second shot.

Speaker 3 (31:33):
And when the doctor goes in, uh, he finds both
men and the whole their whole story is that Ned
had been shot by Hugh and he would shot himself
like a murder suicide. And then I wrote suspicious ship.

Speaker 4 (31:51):
I really's right there. So okay, here's some suspicious ship.

Speaker 3 (31:57):
Ned's gun and the fucking doh he need dude's gun
the murder weapon. Super weird, right, And before the police
were called, the bodies had been moved from their original
position and the body and the police weren't called until
two am.

Speaker 4 (32:10):
So the first shot is at.

Speaker 3 (32:11):
Eleven pm and the fucking cops are called jo am.

Speaker 4 (32:15):
So they're moving stuff around. They were like, yeah, the
fucking bodies were moved.

Speaker 3 (32:19):
Yeah, and the detective and so what it looked like
is that that Ned was shot by Doheny in the
head and then Doheeny, who had like a lit cigarette
in his hand, had like landed on the gun after
killing himself. Suspicious shit, right, Ok, yeah, but there were

(32:40):
powder burns on the hole in Doheany's head, which means
the gun had been less than three inches away from
his head and killed himself, which usually points to suicide.
And there was no powder burns on Hue, which every
fucking person here is ever watching a fucking discovery, I
do think knows that, Like you check for powder burns, Yeah,
and that's who shoots the fucking gun.

Speaker 4 (32:59):
There were nenny uh okay.

Speaker 3 (33:02):
But within hours the DA's office holds a press conference
and like, well there's a murder suicide and like this
poor person killed this rich person, and like close the
fucking case, no autopsies, nothing, which is like you're in
charge of the media at that point. Okay, So here
are some theories. One was that it was a murder suicide,
but that Ned and Hugh had been together, and that

(33:26):
Ned and Hugh had been called to testify on the
bribery trials, but that Ned had been a shured immunity
and Hugh had not, and he felt betrayed, which is true.
Ned was a shured immunity against his father. He was not.

Speaker 4 (33:41):
They were throwing him under the bus.

Speaker 2 (33:42):
Yeah, they were going to make the poor guy take
the fall. Yeah, yeah, fuck this dude for Albert fall.

Speaker 3 (33:47):
Oh yeah, yeah, there was that Ned and Hugh were lovers, okay,
and that they had a fight, and that Lucy caught them,
the wife of Ned caught them and killed them herself,
which is why I shouldn't call the cops immediately. And
what supports either of the lover that they were lover
stories and that they killed each other in a lover's

(34:09):
quarrel is that they were both buried in Forest Lawn,
which is a secular cemetery. But the Dahini family were
devout Catholics, and you don't you can't bury someone in
a Catholic cemetery if they killed themselves.

Speaker 2 (34:26):
Oh yeah, that's right, because suicide is a what do
you call it? Number one cent like a number one cardinal,
every catholicness who went there, okay, so.

Speaker 3 (34:41):
Okay, Or that they were lovers and everyone knew it.
And so they were buried like within a few feet
of each other in this secular fucking place, all right, okay,
And so they were buried together and close by, and
so no one really knows with why they killed each
other or who killed who and why, but it seems

(35:04):
very suspicious. And also because of the sympathy that they
had for Doheiny, having his son being killed. His investigation
was basically called off, which makes everyone think that maybe
the senior doheiny fucking killed both of them, oh to
get them to shut.

Speaker 4 (35:21):
The fuck up because he was getting off.

Speaker 3 (35:25):
Yeah, was he got off because of his kid getting murdered.

Speaker 2 (35:29):
So basically anybody in that family could have murdered them, yeah, essentially.

Speaker 4 (35:34):
And then Christmas was fun. I bet at their house.

Speaker 3 (35:37):
Okay, So now it's a city park now, and so
everyone lets meet there tomorrow. You can go there now
and just have tours and just chilling, have a fucking picnic.

Speaker 4 (35:50):
It's pretty amazing. It's an amazing house.

Speaker 3 (35:51):
It's supposedly cool, beautiful, but it's also supposed to be haunted,
I hope. So yeah, if all that happened, dude, Yeah,
all right one, Hey, look those are our murders.

Speaker 4 (36:04):
Thanks was that it?

Speaker 2 (36:05):
Are we done?

Speaker 4 (36:06):
Well?

Speaker 2 (36:07):
We now have some special guests to bring out because
as you know, yes, it's very exciting. Uh, this is
the portion of our show that we normally do hometown murders,
and so we thought it would be fun to have
our two friends are our brother podcast.

Speaker 4 (36:25):
You might want to.

Speaker 2 (36:26):
Say from the doll up, Dave Anthony and Gary Reynolds, yay.

Speaker 4 (36:37):
Good over there, you get over there? Did you care?
Len you surround us?

Speaker 3 (36:47):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (36:48):
That and you take the stage.

Speaker 3 (36:50):
Thank you?

Speaker 4 (36:51):
So Ned? And who's the other guy?

Speaker 3 (36:53):
What?

Speaker 2 (36:54):
Oh?

Speaker 6 (36:54):
He c They were totally they were totally fucking because
someone came in and said fucking and then they weren't
fucking kill them and then they put their clothes on
and moved them around.

Speaker 4 (37:04):
You for about that, moved them around the closing after
murder dress. Why else would you be moving them around?

Speaker 3 (37:10):
No, for sure, all of it. I didn't want to
say that because I'm not a fucking.

Speaker 4 (37:13):
Yeah, they were totally getting it on. Okay, we have
you've been clear. We all have theories day.

Speaker 3 (37:21):
Oh yeah, we heard you guys have hometown murders.

Speaker 6 (37:24):
I don't have a hometown owner, so what so you
know last time was on I did my hometown murder.

Speaker 4 (37:29):
So, uh, there's a there's a murder that.

Speaker 6 (37:31):
Everybody who listens the doll up has always been like,
you have to.

Speaker 4 (37:35):
Do this one, and I'm like, we don't do murders.
What do you mean we don't murder people and we
don't cover them.

Speaker 6 (37:43):
Oh uh, we've actually started murdering people we'll bring you
in on it.

Speaker 4 (37:49):
Thank you. You guys need to have a team meeting.
We should have a meeting. It's been too long. Turns
out we're not communicating. I've been killing our fams. Okay,
well we should catch up more often.

Speaker 3 (37:59):
I think you know, you keep losing one fan a week.

Speaker 6 (38:06):
Here's the murder. Okay, so I'm gonna tell you guys,
so my sorry, yeah, go ahead him. I just remembered
something that I.

Speaker 4 (38:14):
Used to slash your bodos. Oh that's the scars.

Speaker 2 (38:21):
How dare you speak of our secrets this way at
the Orpheum, you know that you guys did that.

Speaker 4 (38:30):
We did the tail and all murders, Oh my god.

Speaker 2 (38:33):
Then we did the bag lun shweet raj Niche, which
I didn't know that you guys had.

Speaker 4 (38:37):
Just yes, they did it.

Speaker 2 (38:38):
Yeah, at the same time, don't write our coattails man, No, whoa, whoa, whoa.

Speaker 4 (38:45):
I feel we put out the tailan on like within
hours of each other. Right, yes, so.

Speaker 6 (38:50):
But you guys did it from the murder perspective, and
I did. We did it from the like fun perspective. Yeah,
I mean a commercial tie in it was.

Speaker 4 (39:00):
He's got sponsored a Yeah, they're big players too lucky.
Oh yeah, we got a lot of swag. They're very
popular company.

Speaker 7 (39:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (39:09):
What kind of swag does tailing all put?

Speaker 5 (39:10):
Oh my god, the list goes on and on. They
give you free tiling all the gel it never ends.
The gel caps, Yeah, jel caps and the other ones,
the white hard hard on the dry ones.

Speaker 4 (39:23):
Thank your car in the dry one welcome shirt, Yeah,
tile and all. It says question mark, Yeah with four
wis and a question mark.

Speaker 5 (39:33):
Just they like it, just like the expression tie about.

Speaker 4 (39:38):
That is what they said on the forties.

Speaker 6 (39:41):
But we've made it a different perspective that the that
the fucking guy kept admitting to it and he didn't
do it like the guy who they thought did it.

Speaker 4 (39:49):
Crazy. Yeah, it's some guy out there who's still out there.
That guy's still out there. He's like staring at it.
Crin dude, like he's ready to go that.

Speaker 6 (40:00):
Do you think it's a yeah, I could totally be
the universe, I promise you koresh right.

Speaker 4 (40:08):
Nope, not Crash is dead one hundred percent. You in
a bomber cosh. That is why I love you.

Speaker 3 (40:23):
None of you are here for fucking facts.

Speaker 4 (40:26):
Don't fucking come at me. I don't know what I'm
talking about. I'm embarrassed, so sorry I interrupted you. Anyway,
Crush Crash didn't make it. He burned up on a
house with some pes angel I believe it stands, and
don't people also think of that.

Speaker 6 (40:41):
He is the the San Francisco.

Speaker 4 (40:46):
That's a stupid right, it's Ted Cruz. We're going to
solve it all tonight. Yeah, it's really we'reknocking a lot down. Sorry,
Dave Telldoors.

Speaker 6 (40:59):
Yeah, okay, Karen knows what mine is. I should have
brought it up, should have had in my iPad. Ken mckilroy, No,
that's not right, No it is. It's mckilroy. I didn't
even notice that when I was writing it. Mce e
l r o Y McElroy.

Speaker 4 (41:18):
Right, we're all on drugs. This fucking name is killing.
I should have seen that coming. Yeah.

Speaker 6 (41:22):
He's born in nineteen thirty four. He was the fifteenth
of sixteen children.

Speaker 2 (41:27):
Is he a rabbit?

Speaker 4 (41:28):
Yeah? The fuck listen.

Speaker 5 (41:33):
It was just like how caviars birthed ron befree children
all of you.

Speaker 4 (41:38):
Now, oh my god, that is just like the baby
comes out and he's like, let's do it again. Do
you even like know your parents. If you're the fifteen
or sixteen.

Speaker 3 (41:53):
Your eldest brother's like, I'm called dad. So that's a
broken possy. If I've ever fucking.

Speaker 6 (42:01):
Show, it's total BP. They lived in a four bedroom house,
So let's do some math. Oh yeah, that's not great.
Two people to around.

Speaker 5 (42:12):
That's exactly right, Karen, Your math is exactly right.

Speaker 6 (42:18):
He never learned to read well. He never really had
a great job. He quit school in the fifth grade.

Speaker 4 (42:24):
I wonder I never got a good job. I don't know.
Is there any facts about that? I don't know. They
lived that store outside of Skidmore, Missouri, a ton of
about four hundred and fifty people, has two two paved streets.
They were all of them. But it's our town.

Speaker 6 (42:44):
Two paved streets, no traffic lights, one small mom and
pop store, gas station, cafe.

Speaker 4 (42:49):
That's it. That's the whole deal. So he started stealing animals, Sure,
he started stealing animals before he was eighteen years old.

Speaker 6 (43:02):
He bought an old sedan and he took the back
seat out and he put plywood down. Oh and then
he'd drive around a night and steal pigs. All right,
I mean Okay, well I had a plan. It's Missouri,
you know, it's classic Missouri.

Speaker 4 (43:20):
For some reason.

Speaker 2 (43:20):
It's like when you picture like dogs or cats, it's like,
oh god, it's like he stole.

Speaker 4 (43:25):
Pigs, and it's like, this is funny. I like this story.

Speaker 6 (43:31):
Well, he would sell them, he would take he would
steal them and sell them to someone who wanted to
buy pigs.

Speaker 4 (43:37):
That's better than killing pigs. I mean, oh yeah, he
wasn't taking them out and killing him. He was like,
we want to buy eventually kill him now yeah, I
mean people are eating these pigs with me at the end.
At the end, it's the story is not great for
the pigs.

Speaker 3 (43:49):
Just want to feed them peppermints and put them on YouTube.

Speaker 6 (43:53):
I'm not sure you've ever been to a farm, but
that's a great farm if they ever have.

Speaker 4 (44:01):
With that one.

Speaker 5 (44:02):
How my pig's doing, they're all very sick from the peppermint.

Speaker 3 (44:05):
Actually, across the board, they're sad.

Speaker 4 (44:09):
Sad.

Speaker 5 (44:10):
I be honest, they're not two are dead. They're not
doing well. They should not have been.

Speaker 4 (44:14):
Just throw that. What do you feeding a peppermint?

Speaker 2 (44:17):
That's why my bacon sucks.

Speaker 4 (44:22):
Or is great?

Speaker 6 (44:24):
So he married for the first time, at the age
of eighteen. She was sixteen. They moved briefly to Denver,
but he couldn't keep a job there, so he and
his wife moved back. He started hanging out with quote,
coon hunting buddies, raccoons, you guys earlier I was talking
about raccoons. Yeah, you were making this sound cute. They

(44:48):
are horrible monsters.

Speaker 4 (44:49):
That's not fair that's come into my backyard and do this.
So I don't know what right they tell you stories
about you, this asshole. He's like, I do that about.

Speaker 2 (45:01):
You, actually, can I tell a true story? One time
I heard a noise at my back door in the
middle of the night. I was scared shitless, but I
had to go see before I got a dog and
to go see by myself. And so it was like
a weird tapping sound. And so I go over and
I turn on the porch light at the back and
there was a raccoon that was that was trying to

(45:22):
get through the like built in cat door, yeah.

Speaker 4 (45:25):
Like with his little raccoon hands.

Speaker 2 (45:27):
And when I flicked on the light, he kind of
like sat up and looked at me, and then we
were just staring at each other.

Speaker 4 (45:33):
That's what they do.

Speaker 2 (45:34):
I kicked the door right like that last time he's
leaned over like this, you know, kind of trying to
tap on the thing. And then I kicked the door,
thinking he's gonna run away, and then said he goes.

Speaker 4 (45:46):
And just kind of like stood up and paused at you.

Speaker 3 (45:50):
And that's her. That's her dog, Frank. Now he's fucking okay.

Speaker 4 (45:55):
So I'm I'm in my worthy act out at all.
I'm a new an act out.

Speaker 6 (46:00):
I'm in my backyard and I hear all this I
hear all this noise, and I'm like, well, there's raccoon's
getting in the dog or cat's food one or the other.

Speaker 4 (46:09):
And uh.

Speaker 6 (46:10):
And so I go out there and I grab it
back because wreck, I know raccoons are terrifying. I'm not
like her where I'm like, hi, raccoon, I have a bat,
to be fair. And I come out and there's a
raccoon and it comes out and it's like this in
front of me, and I'm like, what are you doing?
I tap the bat on the ground.

Speaker 4 (46:25):
It's like his stance got wide. Yes, he's like what
are you Yeah, he had a bat too, And I'm
like and I'm like, you're supposed to be scared, and
he's like, I'm not scared. You're doing his voice or
he suf and so I'm doing that. I'm like, get
out of here. Fuck her.

Speaker 8 (46:47):
And then he's standing there and he's making him so big,
and then his four buddies go trucking buy like he was.
He was fucking the He was like the distraction guys could.

Speaker 4 (46:58):
Run all terrifying.

Speaker 3 (47:00):
He's like, when there's the midnight bicycle riders and one
of them stops in the middle of the fucking.

Speaker 4 (47:13):
Fixed gear motherfuckers. Okay, derailed. So he goes out hunting
with his buddies and they shoot. They shoot raccoons, and
I assume they eat them. What else would you do
with them? Make it delightful? Raccoon?

Speaker 6 (47:32):
But mostly what he did at night was steel cattle, horses,
and hogs. He now had a horse trailer that he
used to move stolen animals, and in this in this
part of Missouri that didn't really brand animals, so it
was super easy for him to steal.

Speaker 4 (47:45):
He was also very skilled at harassing witnesses. Oh.

Speaker 6 (47:50):
He had an attorney who he would retain for five
thousand dollars per felony who would keep him out of
out of jail. Uh And this was not a problem
because he had a lot of money. He was always
living large. He had a big roll of cash in
his trucks, having a.

Speaker 4 (48:04):
New pigs was it pig money?

Speaker 6 (48:05):
He's he's stealing pigs and cattle and horses and selling
other people.

Speaker 4 (48:10):
So we had that fuck you pig money.

Speaker 3 (48:13):
Yeah, like the four hundred and fifty people in his
fucking town. Yeah, Like wait a minute, yeah, nobody else
like how.

Speaker 4 (48:23):
Also someone was like, I'm gonna marry him. He's got
it all a vanlet pigs swoon.

Speaker 6 (48:36):
One time a farmer caught him stealing horse, two horses, tortoises,
two tortoises.

Speaker 4 (48:42):
What you deal with my tortoises?

Speaker 2 (48:44):
Boy, they ran into my car.

Speaker 4 (48:48):
I haven't milk, I haven't milt them yet ran so well,
we can move.

Speaker 6 (48:57):
So the farmer reported it to the cops and said
this I stole my horses and filed charges and McElroy
visited the farmer the next day with a rifle and
hit him in the face with the butt of the gun,
and then the farmer dropped the charges.

Speaker 4 (49:12):
He was like, that's fair.

Speaker 2 (49:14):
I didn't I see your point. Yeah, I'm on your side. Now.

Speaker 6 (49:20):
When McElroy was twenty, he had a child with a
woman who is not his wife. At the same time,
he was dating a fifteen year old girl.

Speaker 3 (49:29):
Like this guy, dude, this guy gets so many fucking chicks.

Speaker 4 (49:32):
Yeah. Oh, he's a very hot prospect in town. Well
he's got the pig car. He smells like pig.

Speaker 9 (49:37):
I mean.

Speaker 10 (49:40):
Him.

Speaker 6 (49:40):
This girl's named Sharon, and they had a complicated and
messy relationship and one day they were arguing and he
shot her in the neck with a shotgun because oh
my god.

Speaker 4 (49:49):
I don't know if you've ever dated a fifteen year old,
but it's sad.

Speaker 3 (49:55):
We're not okay. Domestic violence. This is not okay. Don't
fucking ma pig Steelers.

Speaker 4 (50:02):
No, it's not. I'm not saying it.

Speaker 6 (50:04):
No, it's a super big warning sign if someone's a
pig stick.

Speaker 4 (50:07):
Yeah, sure, yeah, go on.

Speaker 6 (50:10):
She did not die, but she did have scars, because
that'll happen if she was okay.

Speaker 4 (50:15):
Yeah, she lived after getting shot in the.

Speaker 5 (50:16):
Next Yeah, she had a fear of guns after it,
some irrational fear, and.

Speaker 2 (50:23):
She felt like dating someone else after that.

Speaker 4 (50:27):
After that nope, she forgave him. Oh yeah, good, good good.

Speaker 6 (50:31):
And he divorced his first wife and married her.

Speaker 3 (50:35):
Listen, if a girl can take a fucking bullet.

Speaker 2 (50:38):
You know.

Speaker 4 (50:40):
They had two kids. Then well yeah, no, quite a
turn around. You know what love? Love is fucking awesome,
stupid crazy.

Speaker 6 (50:51):
Then around nineteen sixty one, Macroy started dating a thirteen
year old girl.

Speaker 4 (50:55):
He's going out.

Speaker 5 (50:56):
What he's start, You've like, slowly interested back, creepier and creepier.

Speaker 4 (51:01):
It started and it wasn't okay. Yeah, and then now
we're he might just.

Speaker 2 (51:05):
Be walking down the hallway at a junior high you
know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (51:10):
Yeah, he just lay you you you hey you.

Speaker 4 (51:16):
They'll meet you up by the jungle gym. So he's
twenty seven at this point.

Speaker 3 (51:22):
Ah yeah, twenty seven year olds are fucking disgusting.

Speaker 4 (51:25):
We all know that. Also, at this point, he's living
with his parents. Oh my, this cat day dream day.

Speaker 5 (51:36):
Yeah, wait a minute, you live with your parents, smell
like pigs and shoot girls, you're still available?

Speaker 4 (51:45):
Oh you're not. I'm still in I'm stilling. Yeah.

Speaker 6 (51:49):
So they have a farmhouse, so he moved Sally in
with his parents and his wife Sharon. So so it's
his girlfriend and his wife and his parents.

Speaker 4 (52:00):
And their kids. What he liked, He liked sex. He
was the fifteenth of sixteen, So Sally Sally.

Speaker 2 (52:12):
Birth order.

Speaker 4 (52:13):
Oh you know how the fifteenth is, I'm the fifteenth.
I do this crazy show. I'm magged it out. So
Sally had three kids and Sharon had two more, honey mackai.
Then Madden started seeing another underage girl named Alice in
nineteen sixty four. Yeah she wait, she was twelve? No,

(52:34):
shut up? What shut up?

Speaker 3 (52:37):
I wish the story would end that all the ladies
fucking murdered him and moved to New New York City.
And then like, you know, yeah, okay, that's what I
was going to say, this is the story of the
rock but it doesn't.

Speaker 4 (52:49):
That's how the Rockets began. And then he met a
young woman named Marsha. She was now living there.

Speaker 6 (53:01):
And then so it's Marcia and Alice are living in
the in his parents house.

Speaker 4 (53:06):
With the six kids. And then he met twelve year.

Speaker 5 (53:09):
Eighty bunch commonality right there.

Speaker 6 (53:12):
Then he met twelve year old Trina jam who was
an eighth grader, and he's he seduced her.

Speaker 3 (53:19):
No, he didn't yea her candy and yeah he left.
That's not seduction.

Speaker 4 (53:25):
Wow, that's a point. That's not seduction. It's no seduction. No,
im like he suck put the sex, he moves.

Speaker 6 (53:32):
He was just like, I'm a I'm a man, your girl,
that's what seduction is.

Speaker 4 (53:38):
Yeah, this is my big Yeah. Have you ever seen
a pig? Then and then you're in.

Speaker 6 (53:45):
You're sedan on the on the wood floor.

Speaker 4 (53:50):
He's thirty seven, by the way, Oh you point, but
he looks great.

Speaker 6 (53:56):
Yeah's awesome. His abs are cruizy. So to have Trina
moved in, he kicks out Marcia. He's like, you're old,
you're like thirteen. So then Trina moves in, drops out
of school in the ninth grade, and is pregnant by
the time she's fourteen. But as awesome as the sounds,

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things weren't going the well because just sixteen days after
the birth, Alice took off to her parents' house. The
escape lasted just hours because Macroy came to the home
with a gun and forced the girls to come back
with him. Oh, Alice, her other friend who's there now whatever.

(54:40):
The other one also went with her, Maureen Mariene caller.

Speaker 4 (54:45):
Maureen Maurene goes back.

Speaker 5 (54:47):
Also brought in for sweeps Maureene. So then he brings them.

Speaker 4 (54:53):
Back and he beats them both, oh good, and made
them yeah uh, and made them have sex with him,
and then which I believe is called rape. Yes, a right.

Speaker 6 (55:11):
And then when he was done, he brought Trina back
to her parents' house and shot the family dog.

Speaker 4 (55:19):
No, you can't do that here, yeah, And then and
then poured gas all around the house and burned it down.
So he is and fuego like he's just fucking as
far as being horrible, he's killing it and he's doing
very well. God Like, just fucking chill out. Yeah, just chill.

(55:42):
Not a solution, George, it won't work. I'm not sure
if somebody walked down and gone, dude, chill, we don't
know what would have happened. We don't we know.

Speaker 6 (55:54):
A couple of days later, Trina went to a doctor
because you know, she had been beaten, and he was like,
you look like you've been beaten and you're very good.

Speaker 2 (56:05):
Is this doctor from the city.

Speaker 4 (56:07):
He never really knows his stuff. Boy, your degrees are real. Huh.
You put the nail on the head, duck.

Speaker 6 (56:16):
He slowly got the story of the beating out of
her and the dog shooting and the arson, and the.

Speaker 5 (56:22):
Doctor must have just been like at the end, like
all right, every detail, give me all, get them all
out now.

Speaker 4 (56:29):
Six hours later, really, so the doctor contacts the social
welfare agency who put Trina and her baby into foster
care because she was a child.

Speaker 3 (56:43):
And uh.

Speaker 6 (56:44):
And then the case was taken to the district attorney
and on the basis of Trina's testimony, Macroy is indicted
for arson, assault and rape.

Speaker 4 (56:53):
But it was not looking good.

Speaker 6 (56:54):
He was represented by defense attorney Richard Jean McFadden, who
said McElroy was his favorite client because he always paid
cash and he always came back, Oh.

Speaker 3 (57:06):
Wow, get your shit another. What the fuck is wrong
with you? Dude?

Speaker 4 (57:10):
Like that's the word? Yay, you're back?

Speaker 3 (57:13):
Who kill?

Speaker 4 (57:14):
All right? What you shoot a pig or a person?
What you do a person? Doghouse? All right? Traffictor alright?

Speaker 5 (57:23):
I'm gonna buy house boat for me to live out
a boat.

Speaker 6 (57:29):
But even with his five thousand per felony charge, the
attorney told him it would be difficult for him to
be acquitted, but Macroy would not give up. He found
the Foster home where Trina was living, and began make
threatening phone calls.

Speaker 4 (57:43):
He would sit out in front of the Foster.

Speaker 6 (57:45):
Home for hours and hours, sometimes shooting a gun into
the air. What he then called the Fosters with nerd Yeah,
it's a cartoon.

Speaker 4 (57:58):
He sounds like a cartoon. What about? This is a Morgan?
Did I not tell you? This was your seventy Sam?

Speaker 2 (58:05):
Why Sam?

Speaker 4 (58:07):
Origin story?

Speaker 6 (58:10):
Then he called the Foster family and said he would
trade court girl for a girl to get his child back.
By this, he meant he knew where the Foster family's
biological daughter went to school and what bus she rode.
So that didn't go well, and the district attorney then
hit him with eight more felony child molestation charges as
a relative a result of his sexual activity with Trina.

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The attorney kept using delay tactics, and after a while,
Trina decided to go back to McElroy.

Speaker 4 (58:40):
I can't go through this again with you, Dave.

Speaker 6 (58:42):
He then arranged to divorce his second wife, Sharon, from
whom he'd been separated for years, and married Trina. To
get Trina's parents to agree, he threatened to kill the
mother and the mother was like okay, you can marry
him daughter.

Speaker 4 (59:00):
We like him. It's sweet. So this solved all his
legal problems.

Speaker 6 (59:08):
Because being his wife, Trina could not be compelled to
testify against him. She also signed a statement saying she
had lied about everything, and McElroy beat the charges and
his wife. In nineteen seventy six, he shot a neighbor
farmer in the face and stomach.

Speaker 4 (59:28):
The gum was leaded with bird shot.

Speaker 6 (59:30):
The lawyer also delayed as long as possible while maclroy
intimidated the farmer, driving by his house, shining a spotlight
into his windows at night, destroying his tractors, and shooting
guns into the air. The farmer said McRoy parked outside
his home at least one hundred times and would just
sit there. At the trial, two of his raccoon hunting

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buddies said they were with him the day of the shooting.

Speaker 4 (59:52):
And McElroy got off again.

Speaker 6 (59:55):
The pattern committing crimes then intimidating witnesses went on for
four years. Then in nineteen eighty two of his daughters
went into a town store. So he's got two daughters,
So the one's like a teenager, and there's five, and
he marries one of them.

Speaker 4 (01:00:09):
Both of them. It just can't get worse.

Speaker 6 (01:00:14):
So the older girl buys something and then as they
walk out, the five year old girl grabs a couple
of little pieces of candy. Sure I did that, I did,
And the clerk was like, hey, put that ship back.
And then the girl was like and threw it back
and was mad, which is cool for a five year old.

(01:00:34):
And then a couple hours later, McElroy and Trina showed
up and McElroy was just kicking it with a knife,
and Trina and the owner argued about how she had
treated he had treated the daughter, and then the couple said, well,
you're banned from our store.

Speaker 4 (01:00:49):
You can never come back.

Speaker 6 (01:00:51):
So McElroy started harassing the owners and then after a
couple of months he pulled up in the back of
the store and shot the husband owner in the neck
with a shot and he lived.

Speaker 2 (01:01:05):
This whole city is filled with people with the most
powerful necks titanium.

Speaker 4 (01:01:10):
Next, yes, what is it the water or like that?
They their necks are bulletproof. It's it's so strange.

Speaker 6 (01:01:18):
But now maclarroy was arrested again, and then he started
harassing the store owners.

Speaker 3 (01:01:26):
And he made stop harassing and shooting in the neck
and the air and married children.

Speaker 4 (01:01:35):
There's a lot of things for him to knock off.
Dude's got a dude's got a thing like this thing.
We hate his thing. Well, we're being very clear. I
mean take it up with PEPSI because they were sponsoring
him for doing all this. Yeah, he had he had
like four sponsors.

Speaker 3 (01:01:53):
Just like, what's the extreme sports thing when you can skateboard?
He's like X game game like he did it all
on a little by og xkins.

Speaker 4 (01:02:03):
Uh.

Speaker 6 (01:02:03):
So he starts arrassing the store owners and then when
he heard that the town minister had gone to visit
the store owner in the hospital because of his neck wound,
he turned his wrath on the minister and he told
the minister he was going to castrate him and cut
his son to pieces in front of him.

Speaker 4 (01:02:21):
Chill. So the minister started carrying a gun. He's just good.
It's a good town, got it.

Speaker 5 (01:02:27):
I like that.

Speaker 6 (01:02:28):
Just becas the minister went and visited him, He's like, well,
I'm going to cut your kid up if you're oh.

Speaker 2 (01:02:32):
He's like, it's my job.

Speaker 4 (01:02:34):
I go and I see people that are hurt me.
I'm cutting your balls off. I'm not letting me in that.
So his lawyer's whole thing was delay tactics. So we
started the delay tactics again. He keeps delaying the trial. Meanwhile,
Macelroy would sit in the local bar and talk loudly
about he was going to how he's going to kill
the store owner. But it didn't work.

Speaker 3 (01:02:54):
He was empty and it was like three people and
he was talking loudly in it.

Speaker 4 (01:02:58):
I can hear you. I'm gonna kill him, dude.

Speaker 5 (01:03:02):
Sick of that guy? Right, someone should shoot him at
the neck?

Speaker 4 (01:03:06):
Okay, I will. So it didn't work.

Speaker 6 (01:03:11):
There was a trial and Macroy was convicted of second
degree assault and sends to two years in prison.

Speaker 2 (01:03:18):
But but.

Speaker 4 (01:03:21):
In being Missouri, he was allowed to stay free while
he appealed. A Four days later, he was back in
the local bar. Hey, how'd your conviction go? Oh? All right, guilty, guilty,
totally fucking guilty. Here I am drinking a.

Speaker 6 (01:03:41):
Beer and then Trina came in and handed him a
large gun. He said he was going to kill the
store owner, but having a gun was a violation of
his parole, so he was charged. On the day was
hearing for his parle violation. The entire town decided they

(01:04:01):
had had enough.

Speaker 2 (01:04:05):
Yeah, I like the sound of this.

Speaker 6 (01:04:07):
After twenty years been fucking all their daughters.

Speaker 4 (01:04:11):
Oh right, that's it's very familiar. You know what when
you when you broke your probation? Uh uh bro.

Speaker 2 (01:04:25):
Did the whole town show up in little pink cats
and fucking march? Was it one of those kind of
things echoes?

Speaker 6 (01:04:36):
Yeah, But when they got to the courthouse they found
out the lawyer had gotten im postponed for ten days. Now,
they were pissed, and they finally decided they needed to
do something, and they all went to the American Legion.

Speaker 4 (01:04:51):
I loved it. In this little town, they do have
an American Legion. A great bar there that in the
Sam's Club.

Speaker 6 (01:05:00):
So they have a town meeting and they call the
sheriff and asked the sheriff to come by. The sheriff
comes by and they tell them what's going on, and
the sheriff told them that they should just start a
neighborhood watch group.

Speaker 2 (01:05:11):
Mmmm.

Speaker 5 (01:05:12):
That.

Speaker 4 (01:05:14):
So he's not he's not very helpful.

Speaker 5 (01:05:16):
Me and Agent McGruff, he's going to help you.

Speaker 4 (01:05:19):
With this case. So so there's the guy's been fucking
your daughters and shooting you in the neck. You need
like a watch group.

Speaker 2 (01:05:29):
Have you guys made any kind of a phone tree
or anything? Called each other?

Speaker 4 (01:05:35):
What you do? He told them not to confront McElroy,
and then the sheriff just left. They were there, but
like they all had titanium necks. Yes, at this point
they all have mocker metal neck guards.

Speaker 6 (01:05:54):
Right then Trina and McElroy show up and went to
the bar for a drink. When people heard this, they
all decided to go have a beer.

Speaker 4 (01:06:07):
Trina was said to.

Speaker 6 (01:06:08):
Be very intimidated by all of the townspeople standing around
while McElroy coolly finished his beer, went up and bought
a six pack, and then went outside. Outside there were
three or four guys and they got their rifles out
of their trucks, and then the entire crowd came out

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of the bar and followed him to his truck. And
it was said there were at the very least thirty
five people, but probably more like sixty.

Speaker 4 (01:06:37):
All standing there.

Speaker 6 (01:06:39):
And Trina and McElroy then got inside the truck and
he coolly lit a cigarette. And then Trina looked across
the street and saw a man aiming a rifle and
she yelled, they've got a gun. And then they shot
at him from more than one direction. McElroy was hit
once in the head and once in the neck, and
the shot.

Speaker 2 (01:07:00):
Ah, the head wound.

Speaker 4 (01:07:02):
It was the head wound. You gotta shoot in the
next Yeah, got to legally welcome to neck. Motheruck. Many
other shots at the truck. All the shots came from
different guns, and McElroy died instantly from the gun shots. Right, yeah,

(01:07:22):
no from sadness.

Speaker 7 (01:07:26):
Depressed about suicide. About suicide. It looks like he did
it to himself. About timon Monoxi. I got it about
forty five minutes later. They called an ambulance.

Speaker 4 (01:07:40):
Wow. Sorry, that's sarcastic. Actually, yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:07:44):
Unfortunately, no one saw the shooter, Yeah, except Trina, who
identified him.

Speaker 4 (01:07:51):
She was in the truck, you know, and she saw him.
But the DA declined to pressed charges because everyone was like,
he was there too.

Speaker 6 (01:07:58):
Yeah, he was the guy hitting him with the iron
pan on the head. The FBI came in to investigate,
but they also could not president he charges because ever
one of the town was like, I don't know. He
left behind ten children, ten wonderful children, and a few wives.

(01:08:23):
After his death, cattle and hog wrestling in the county
dropped significantly. In nineteen eighty four, train of file a
six million dollar lawsuit against the town and the sheriff
and the mayor and the guy who had shot him
across the street. The case was settled out of court
for seventeen thousand dollars.

Speaker 4 (01:08:44):
Oh, it's good tonight.

Speaker 2 (01:08:46):
So she bought a RS.

Speaker 3 (01:08:48):
Yeah, that's own so fully owns, fully owns.

Speaker 4 (01:08:54):
So that's my favorite murder. That's pretty good. But god, yeah,
he was a fucking monster and they killed him. There
was nineteen eighty one and they killed him and everyone
was like, oh, I love it. Yeah, what are you
gonna do? We'll get there again. We're on away. Let's

(01:09:16):
kill hire. Okay, great, I'll get nice day, nice thank you. Yeah.
I can't. You know what I can't.

Speaker 6 (01:09:22):
Last time I came on, I wrote a story about
a guy from my hometown who killed women. And I
can't do those stories because I feel weird as a
guy reading well your.

Speaker 5 (01:09:30):
Sexss well to that point, I'll get into mine.

Speaker 4 (01:09:37):
This is about men, men killing women, right, It's the
same story as yours. Oh yeah, just a different interpretation,
a totally different take. I do it from the big angle.
So this will be fun.

Speaker 5 (01:09:52):
I'm from Milwaukee, Wisconsin, so ripe for uh the murders.
We have ed Gaines skin Ottomans Dahmer her obvious choice
skin automan.

Speaker 4 (01:10:02):
Yeah, and he made actual automan.

Speaker 5 (01:10:04):
Well I don't I am saying the whole collection made
a nipple belt.

Speaker 4 (01:10:07):
Yeah, he made a nipple bell.

Speaker 5 (01:10:10):
I might have taken some creative liberties, as we all
know Stephen Avery. So this is this is another story.
This is about the North Side strangler. Who is Actually
this is some more good detective work. So in October
tenth and eleventh, nineteen eighty six, two sex workers, Deborah
Harris Tanya Miller were both strangled one day apart. Both

(01:10:31):
bodies found in vacant apartments. Since they were both strangled
sex workers found in empty apartments day apart, cops thought
there might be a link, so, which shows you they're
pretty good.

Speaker 4 (01:10:45):
There surprising, Yeah, stay there, they're not stupid.

Speaker 5 (01:10:50):
However, this was before they were collecting DNA or DNA
was shaky, so the murders went unsolved. So then June twentieth,
nineteen eighty seven, Joyce and Mims was found strangled in
a vacant apartment buy some construction workers in Milwaukee's North Side.
She was also believed to be a sex worker. Had
no criminal record. But George mule Jones mule Jones, George

(01:11:12):
mule Jones.

Speaker 4 (01:11:13):
You mean George the Mule, George the mule Jones. Now
is this the nickname? Does he have a big hog?
Is he? Well?

Speaker 5 (01:11:22):
Is this a family name? I have a theory, but
we'll get there. Ok Uh, you probably not. You know him?

Speaker 4 (01:11:28):
Okay, yes, we went to high school together. Yeah, but
he said probably. George mule Jones so funny, great, rides
it on a horse. He's one of my favorite stand ups. Uh.

Speaker 5 (01:11:40):
So they charged George mule Jones with the murder because
he was friends with Mims from Cleveland and they were
still friends with Mimes and his girlfriend, who was simply
known as sugar Baby.

Speaker 4 (01:11:52):
Oh I'm not Memes. That's the coolest things. That's pretty good.

Speaker 5 (01:11:56):
Well, well they're different Mims was killed. No, okay, no,
they are the same, and she should have been called
sugar baby.

Speaker 4 (01:12:01):
I should agree more. Georgia so Jones.

Speaker 5 (01:12:05):
At a criminal record because he was actually convicted of
murder in Mississippi.

Speaker 4 (01:12:08):
That doesn't mean anything. Oh, you aren't lying.

Speaker 5 (01:12:12):
He stabbed a woman and was sentenced to five years a.

Speaker 4 (01:12:17):
Year of stab. I yeah, for your first yeah, year
of stab.

Speaker 6 (01:12:20):
I think is like your first murder should be like
three Yeah, you know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (01:12:24):
If you do it again, well then all right, you're
seriously gonna piss Georgia off and then it's no fucking
ugly up here. So I'm gonna cry him up. He's
like this fucking table up. It'll be fine. I mean,
it's fine. Let me get my beers in my iPad. Okay.

Speaker 3 (01:12:38):
So uh.

Speaker 5 (01:12:39):
The woman that he killed was there, was named Shamika Carter.
She was killed because she made fun of George muhil Jones'
inability to perform sexually.

Speaker 4 (01:12:48):
How about that?

Speaker 6 (01:12:49):
That happens a lot with the murderers, right, isn't that
one of the things, like they can't get it up
and then they killed.

Speaker 4 (01:12:54):
That's yeah, yeah, well that's I don't do it. If
I can't get it up, I just I just walk away. Yes,
thank you? Could you tell your friends shamefully? I'm like,
I'm gonna watch Law and Order.

Speaker 5 (01:13:07):
Yeah, as long as murders involved in some way, Yeah,
I'm gonna watch a murder be committed instead of committing
my own.

Speaker 3 (01:13:14):
And then I'll be back, and then I'll be back
with ideas I might cut your bodocks.

Speaker 5 (01:13:18):
And a new soundtrack. Okay. So yeah, so he went
down to that killing. So then police thought, but but
there's still killings going on. Oh and they in his apartment.
They found a black ski mask and nine women's shoes.

Speaker 4 (01:13:31):
And I have that too in my house though. Wait. Yes, sorry,
nine women's shoe and a ski mask. Yeah, that's actually
all I have in my house. Nine is a weird number.
It's a weird unless there was a lady with just
one leg, not in my shoes. Yeah. So so he
so he goes down for these murders.

Speaker 5 (01:13:51):
He goes down for this murder in particular name, Yes,
this one, right, But there's been three murders so far.

Speaker 4 (01:13:57):
This is the third murder. Okay, Yes, there's more to come.
Oh yeah, we see your papers in your hand. Okay,
I'm moving fast. In my story, the bad guy dies, Okay, Dave,
we were there.

Speaker 5 (01:14:13):
So the idea of a serial killer was floated out
by Bill Vogel, who is a homicide unit in Wisconsin
and Milaca, Wisconsin.

Speaker 4 (01:14:20):
He told the police's.

Speaker 5 (01:14:21):
Chief that he thought both women that were killed the
year before were done by the same man. He entered
with a business like attitude quote to discuss the matter,
and I use the word cereal and I got reamed out,
said Vogel.

Speaker 4 (01:14:32):
Get out of here, vocal. I don't want to hear
the word cereal again. Talking about cheerios season two.

Speaker 2 (01:14:43):
I'm totally kidding.

Speaker 4 (01:14:44):
I love the fuck.

Speaker 2 (01:14:45):
Oh, Steve, cut it, cut it.

Speaker 5 (01:14:50):
Never even that both the doors you will all on,
you will all remember, donus forget it?

Speaker 4 (01:14:56):
Can we get the steam? Whatever the fuck? Yes, time
about flesh pots yas theme. Okay, we're gonna knock these
people out.

Speaker 5 (01:15:03):
You're damn right. We are like the joker at Batman.
So yeah, So his chief was like, hey man, we
don't want people freaking out with the word cereal.

Speaker 4 (01:15:13):
Let's just shut up about that.

Speaker 6 (01:15:15):
And so that's the best way to handle a pop
smart serial killers're smart. Let's act like it's not happening.

Speaker 5 (01:15:21):
Strangulations kept happening in nineteen ninety two, where Irene Smith
twenty five was found dead. In nineteen thirty nineteen thirty two,
we're going back.

Speaker 4 (01:15:32):
He was a time jumper. I should point that time had.

Speaker 5 (01:15:36):
No meaning in this one here was eighteen oh four,
he went too started a new life of murder, and
he did.

Speaker 4 (01:15:43):
He didn't killed a dinosaur. Oh, he's just dead.

Speaker 5 (01:15:49):
So you know, basically more people are dying more my
next workers.

Speaker 4 (01:15:52):
How many more we're right now at about five.

Speaker 5 (01:15:55):
Karen D Kilpatrick thirty two, was killed in nineteen ninety four.
Irene Smith twenty five, was also nineteen ninety four. Both
women were strangled. Both were sex workers. Police still had
no way of connecting these crimes, but there was a
homicide detective named Steve Spagnola Spignola who was set on
finding the person, and in nineteen ninety five, April twenty fourth,

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Florence McCormick's body was found in a shitty basement on
Locust Street.

Speaker 4 (01:16:20):
It sounds like he's killing ladies whose names start with mick.
I don't think that tracks in my stuff. You just
fucking solved this case.

Speaker 10 (01:16:28):
I'm putting together the Scottish killer. Wait, he's Scottish too,
I don't know. I'm just kills fucking thrown out theirs.
Let's put shit on the board.

Speaker 5 (01:16:40):
Sure was there a board? I'm not sure? So yeah,
McCormick's body was found. She was tied up on a sinker.
Hair was neat, fingernails suggested no struggle. Her socks were clean,
which I'm not sure what that means, but that was
pointed out.

Speaker 2 (01:16:54):
Socks were well, like she wasn't walking around outside or something.

Speaker 5 (01:16:57):
I guess they make it sound like that is like
how they know she was murdered.

Speaker 4 (01:17:00):
But vogels over there, vuggels over there in the corner,
just smelling her socks.

Speaker 3 (01:17:08):
I have never worn clean socks in my That's what
I was thinking. If someone buys me the clean socks,
something's fucking wrong.

Speaker 5 (01:17:14):
But like that means that when we die, people will
be like, it's a murder. The socks are filthy, which
is just conna that.

Speaker 9 (01:17:21):
I was, what, what does it filthy sock mean? I
don't know. I look, that's for you guys. That's for
you guys. I'm merely a shepherd. By the way, there's
some take home stuff, yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:17:33):
Under your seats. Okay.

Speaker 5 (01:17:35):
So Spignola didn't think that there was It was no
sexual activity.

Speaker 4 (01:17:40):
There was no semen on the body. There was no
semen around the body, which he.

Speaker 5 (01:17:44):
Thought was possible because sometimes, uh, the killer may masturbate
near the body, which happens because guys are just normal
things and that's a normal thing to do.

Speaker 4 (01:17:57):
Her body, her body was posed, it was bound.

Speaker 5 (01:18:01):
But they thought there was some level of comfortability between
the two because it seemed like there was a little
struggle for this. So they thought that like he was like, hey,
you know, let me bind you and we'll kill Yankee.
And no, I don't think you threw that part out there.
Maybe a tell.

Speaker 3 (01:18:14):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (01:18:15):
Nineteen ninety five, two months after the murder McCormick, Shila
Ferrier was discovered six blocks away in Titania, also a
sex worker, also in an empty apartment, this time strangled
by your own brazier.

Speaker 4 (01:18:26):
Posed crack, pipes, crack.

Speaker 5 (01:18:27):
Cleaner, pipe cleaners, just a lot of crack.

Speaker 4 (01:18:30):
A good scene. So it's a crack house. It's an
empty apartment where crack was smoked.

Speaker 2 (01:18:35):
But pipe cleaners like for crafts.

Speaker 4 (01:18:37):
For crack, for crack crack. Not No one's doing crafts.

Speaker 5 (01:18:42):
People are doing crack, which can lead to crafts. But
I don't believe that that was the direct implication. No, okay, Yeah,
so at this point there's there were vision boards everywhere.
I'm glad we could do this.

Speaker 4 (01:18:54):
At this point, there's like seven dead women, all found
in abandoned apartments and they're like strangled and they're like
a se connect. Cops are like, man, sum's going on.
Huh you hungry? She got lunch? You know what?

Speaker 6 (01:19:06):
I would say, this was the same killer, but the
socks are different.

Speaker 4 (01:19:11):
Yeah, these sucks are filthy.

Speaker 9 (01:19:14):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (01:19:14):
Then they actually finally got a DNA sample.

Speaker 4 (01:19:18):
They didn't really know for who, But.

Speaker 5 (01:19:20):
In August thirtieth, nineteen ninety five, there was the body
of a sixteen year old runaway named Jessica Paine who
was found with her her throat slit. How is she found?
It's a really cool story, a real meat cute. What
happened was on August thirtieth, the two young boys went
to abandoned mattress that they normally used as a makeshift trampoline.

Speaker 4 (01:19:41):
Normal, however, a normal just kids stuff. That's just boys jumping.

Speaker 3 (01:19:44):
Go find a match to play with garbage, Yeah, go
as a kid, Yeah, jump out a little refuse you scamps.

Speaker 5 (01:19:53):
But this day they weren't getting a bunch of bounce
like normal, And the reason was because Jessica Paine's.

Speaker 4 (01:19:58):
Body was underneath it.

Speaker 5 (01:20:00):
As I said, this time there was appearance of sexual activity.

Speaker 3 (01:20:06):
They boys are fine. Now, the boys are fine. Yeah,
they sleeping mattress.

Speaker 4 (01:20:10):
I will sleep on the floor tonight. You gotta sleep
standing up again, Kyle. Yeah, I think so. I think yeah.
I'll sleep better standing up. Da. I can only sleep
if you lay under the mattress. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:20:25):
So they there was there was seemen president. They had
some DNA. They still couldn't connect it to anybody, but
they thought that this might be related. A guy named
Richard Gwynn was in jail. Uh he started implicating himself
and two others, This guy Sam Hadaway. Chot ot sure,
they told. Gwynn told police he was driving. He was
in the car with Hadaway, aunt and Jessica Payne. He

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parked in front of an abandoned residence, where they remained
in his vehicle, conversing, listening to the radio, drinking alcohol
and smoking marijuana.

Speaker 4 (01:20:53):
Just fun car games and Quinn said.

Speaker 5 (01:20:56):
At some point Hadaway out in Pain exited the vehicle,
walked to an all and then Hadaway returned to the.

Speaker 4 (01:21:03):
Car, followed by Out.

Speaker 5 (01:21:04):
Five minutes later, when Gwinn asked about Pain's whereabouts, Hadaway
said that they had to rob Pain, but her pockets
were empty, so just cut her throat.

Speaker 4 (01:21:13):
That happens, that's a good thing.

Speaker 5 (01:21:16):
Hadaway confirmed Gwyn's story, providing further detail about the murder
and that Ot cut Pain's throat.

Speaker 4 (01:21:23):
Hadaway described a situation.

Speaker 5 (01:21:25):
And when he searched for her pockets, he found nothing,
so he pushed her down on the mattress, pulled down
her pants, pulled up her shirt, and tried to force
her way in. But Hadaway said he didn't actually see
that because he turned away. But when he turned back around,
he heard choking and gagging to see the Pain's.

Speaker 4 (01:21:38):
Throat was cut and the blood was gushing out. Yes,
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (01:21:44):
Okay, you're just reacting like a human. I get it,
fucking as you should. Just bumming, you know, just bumming.

Speaker 4 (01:21:51):
Bomb again, Mike, My guy died.

Speaker 5 (01:21:53):
But so nineteen ninety five, the police found a search
horn for auts home. They found two bucks hutters and
a knife among his possession. That was really all the
evidence that they had, but it was sentenced to life
in prison, with parole available in fifty years. The main
evidence in the trial was the two box cutters.

Speaker 4 (01:22:11):
The police said, but that sounds nothing like the other
ones weird, right, scared. So DNA evidence started being used
in nineteen ninety.

Speaker 5 (01:22:21):
Wisconsin fully came around to twenty fifteen to really collecting
DNA from everyone.

Speaker 4 (01:22:27):
Sorry what nineteen nineties.

Speaker 5 (01:22:28):
Where most places started collecting an anamese the violent criminals.

Speaker 4 (01:22:32):
Wisconsin's finished in twenty fifteen.

Speaker 5 (01:22:35):
So just just a mere twenty five years, Yes, just
a mere difference. Is that an issue for you? Yeah,
for a lot of us. Yeah, okay, that's interesting. So
now the police felt that they had DNA that they
had found at that scene, so that they now had
DNA from a number of women, the DNA from the

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woman in nineteen ninety, nineteen eighty six to in ninety.

Speaker 4 (01:22:59):
Five, in ninety seven and the latest.

Speaker 5 (01:23:01):
There were no more murders until April twenty seventh, two
thousand and seven. Okay, when Quithrine Stokes, twenty eight, was
found strangled by city inspectors after they were going to
inspect a vacant, boarded up residence. They found DNA at
this scene, and now police had the DNA from the
two women in eighty six, ninety seven, all that two
thousand and seven, and it all matched to one person.

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But the police couldn't figure out who it was since
the DNA matched nothing in their database. Is they knew
they were dealing with someone that had never been convicted
of a violent crime before, which is curious.

Speaker 4 (01:23:32):
So two detectives of.

Speaker 5 (01:23:33):
The Milwaukee Department Homicide Unit re examined the DNA linked
to the suspect and they believed they found him. So
on September seventh, two thousand and nine, Walter E. Ellis
of Milwaukee was arrested at noon at a hotel by
a swarm of police officers. Ellis was booked on a
temporary felony warrant was being questioned by the police. They
took a DNA sample from his place office toothbrush, and
they had a match.

Speaker 4 (01:23:54):
He was matched.

Speaker 5 (01:23:55):
He was even matched for the two murders that men
were already serving sentences for. So awkward. Here's what's crazy awkward,
not good. They should have had his DNA because it wasn't.
From a lack of opportunities, he was convicted of a
shitload of crimes nineteen seventy eight felony, burgerary, seventy nine,
drug charges eighty robbery eighty one, controlled substance eighty one.

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Again possession, went intent to distribute eighty five, soliciting and
beating up two sex workers eighty seven, retail theft ninety two,
released for good behavior, ninety two, back in for violating
that good behavior ninety four, stabbing his girlfriend with a screwdriver,
been there not the drink ninety five, battery for joking
his girlfriend ninety seven, resisting arrest, ninety eight, reckless introducy.

Speaker 4 (01:24:37):
So he had a track and hold on when when
they have gotten any DNA?

Speaker 5 (01:24:40):
Well, because they collected They still collected DNA, they just.

Speaker 4 (01:24:42):
Didn't collect it from every violent criminal. Are you having
fun with me? So the DNA was never asked for.

Speaker 5 (01:24:53):
But in two thousand and one police discovered that they
actually had gotten his DNA, or at least they had
at one point. There was an his DNA match nothing
in their system. And they know that one of two
things happened. A Ellis convinced his cellmate to submit the
DNA for him come on, or b it was lost
in transfer to the Oshkosh Police Department, who said they

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never received it.

Speaker 2 (01:25:14):
Wait a second one is Oshkosh where Stephen avery yep Oh?

Speaker 4 (01:25:20):
Is that also where they make the overalls?

Speaker 5 (01:25:22):
Yes, it's famous for two things now, which is cool, Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:25:26):
Sat, I'm not sure which that same police department, This
is the.

Speaker 5 (01:25:30):
Same fucking police de Well, it's the same. It's like
the same region. Very shut the fuck they share a Walmart.

Speaker 4 (01:25:37):
It's real.

Speaker 3 (01:25:40):
Fuck.

Speaker 4 (01:25:41):
So had they done this in the nineties like places,
they would have sucked. Yeah, they would have stopped five
to seven murders.

Speaker 5 (01:25:48):
Uh, they would have stopped one if they'd done it
in two thousand and one, when it was totally expected
of them. So in two thousand and eight, an appeals
court overturned OTTs conviction the guy who they said cut
the mattress murderer. They had a new trial with new
DNA evidence. Two thousand and nine, they announced they would
not seek a new trial.

Speaker 4 (01:26:05):
It was freed.

Speaker 5 (01:26:05):
He served thirteen years in prison for a murder he
didn't commit. George mule Jones died in prison April thirtieth,
twenty twelve. But it is not too sad because he
was also a previous murderer.

Speaker 4 (01:26:16):
He just didn't do the one we talked about. Ellis
was found Okay, good, good, good, Am I doing good?

Speaker 2 (01:26:23):
Yeah? Yeah?

Speaker 5 (01:26:25):
Ellis was found guilty of seven murders in total, but
he was thought to have been guilty of nine. He
was since the seven life sentences in twenty eleven.

Speaker 4 (01:26:32):
And here's the fucker. He died. He died in twenty thirteen,
so he served two years.

Speaker 5 (01:26:39):
These murders went from nineteen eighty six to two thousand
and seven, and he was in for less than too.

Speaker 4 (01:26:43):
How old was he? He was like in his fifties.
Tell me, tell me.

Speaker 6 (01:26:46):
He died painfully, like he got shoed hospital, he was
in a hospital.

Speaker 3 (01:26:49):
I want to point out that though even if they
had had his DNA and put it through, they would
have putting it through codis and actually checking the DNA
as we know that like from the rape hits that
are not tested the mean he would have been caught.
It's like, oh they should have if they had tested
it and had his DNA, everything would have been fine.
Like that's not the fucking case.

Speaker 4 (01:27:08):
So it's just like, oh, but they could have you know,
started testing well, yeah, who knows that crazy twenty five
years he was also known as a fucking lunatic, like
they like, everyone's like this, how about this guy. Everyone's
like he's crazy. He lives like he lives right around
every one of these.

Speaker 3 (01:27:25):
Let's not all assume that that these systems that they
have in place to catch people are like the end
all be all, Like it takes a lot more than that,
and so like, it doesn't mean that wouldn't like these
seven women wouldn't have been killed, right, you know what
I mean?

Speaker 4 (01:27:36):
Yes, sorry, that'd be a bummer.

Speaker 5 (01:27:38):
But it's between nineteen eighty six and two thousand and seven,
forty two prostitutes were killed in Milwaukee. Only thirty one
percent of those cases have been solved.

Speaker 4 (01:27:50):
And they're great, there, shit, we're.

Speaker 3 (01:27:55):
Going and we'll be there in April.

Speaker 4 (01:27:58):
A scene. Yeah again, wrapped up, super nice.

Speaker 2 (01:28:01):
I mean, well, first of all, it's always hard to
go last. Yeah, it's always hard to go last. But
then also that was fucking rough. Yeah no, yes, great talk, Yes.

Speaker 4 (01:28:12):
Great jobrangler, that's fucked up. How do you feel about it? Terrible?

Speaker 5 (01:28:19):
I really am like so shocked at how little they
give a fuck when you really find out how it's
it's like politics, but when you find out that they're
really just worried about what people think over actually doing good,
you're like, we're just fun.

Speaker 6 (01:28:32):
Well, that's something we run across in the dop all
the time. How much the FBI fucks up? Can I
can I end with it? Can I end with something?
Just a personal story, please? So my uncle I lived
in California. I grew up in Marin County, a little bit,
a little bit better, a little bit better than Pedaloma.
But I don't know if that. But my uncle was

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a huge drug dealer. That's way better than Pedalomia. And
it's and at one point he he got the law
was like getting down on him, so he decided to
move to Florida to get out of California because it
was the local cops.

Speaker 4 (01:29:08):
And uh.

Speaker 6 (01:29:09):
And I went and we went to this big going
away party and opened up a suitcase that was full
of just fucking cash.

Speaker 4 (01:29:15):
And I was like twelve, and I was like, that's cool,
and uh and then he left and uh. And then
all of his friends, the people that I had met
at parties at his house, about ten of them shut
up in trunks all around.

Speaker 3 (01:29:30):
Maren County, trunks one after the other, like chilling, and like.

Speaker 4 (01:29:34):
John's dead in a trunk, parts dead in a trunk. Yeah,
he's dead in the trunk. Yet all of his friends
got killed, And you're saying that's the FBI. Yes, that's insane.
It wasn't the gang drug dealer members that they were
hanging out with. It couldn't have been them or natural causes.
And good lord, there's theories, sir. They're going to take

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a nap in a trunk. That's right, it's suicide by application.
I forgot to mention that they all that they lived
in trunks. Oh well that's a huge detail. You guys,
will you please help us.

Speaker 2 (01:30:10):
Thank Dave, Anthony an Gerare, Renald, Thanks you very.

Speaker 4 (01:30:14):
We appreciate it so much. Thank you all for coming here.
This has been an amazing night. Hey, you guys, stay
sexy and don't hard. Don't get that