56- Service Poodle

There's no time to sing a goddamn song, but there is time for My Favorite Murder! This week Karen and Georgia unpack the Darlie Routier case and the true story behind Hollywood star Fatty Arbuckle.

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Speaker 1 (00:15):
Ye, hi, Hey, what's going on?

Speaker 2 (00:23):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (00:23):
Nothing? How are you?

Speaker 2 (00:27):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (00:27):
Pretty good?

Speaker 3 (00:30):
Hey, this is my favorite murder. That's Karen, that's right,
that's Georgia, that's right.

Speaker 2 (00:37):
And this is a podcast where we talk to you
about murders that have happened.

Speaker 3 (00:41):
We also talked to you about the presence that we
just opened from a bunch of murderinos.

Speaker 1 (00:45):
That are the fucking awesomest.

Speaker 2 (00:47):
We've been giving, given lovely, lovely gifts, all sorts of
different things I enjoy. One of the things that I
opened was Buffalo Bill's lotion. It puts the lotion on
the skin or else it gets the hose again. You
canna get that on Etsy as well. Do you know
that person's name? We should probably do it in an
orderly fashion, right, but.

Speaker 1 (01:08):
I love it. It's handmade. If her name it's handmade.

Speaker 3 (01:15):
Is the name of her, and her name is bethany
fuck all right, we'll figure.

Speaker 1 (01:19):
It out well.

Speaker 2 (01:19):
Also, she sent us presents because we'd already given her
a plug on the show, and so now we're in
it like an unending cycle of gifts and plugs.

Speaker 1 (01:29):
Man, you send me catnip and I'll fucking that seems
wrong though, I know that seems hard, that seems like immoral.

Speaker 3 (01:37):
Let's start it where the whole thing? No, okay, let's
going okay, So what's going on?

Speaker 1 (01:46):
Well, the thing that people keep on tweeting to us?

Speaker 2 (01:49):
Uh? And when I say keep on uh, And certainly
I want to communicate with people, and I certainly want
to know things when it's breaking news. Do I want
to know things three hundred times from breaking news? Probably not.
Vincent Lee, the man from the bus that killed that

(02:12):
boy that was sitting next to him because he thought
he was a demon.

Speaker 3 (02:14):
In our Cannibal episode, and it was the most horrifying story,
Cannibal or not, and.

Speaker 2 (02:21):
It seemed to be the horrifying details got lost in
the fact that I don't know Canadian geography very well.
That's really what people got up in arms about. That's
what people are angry about.

Speaker 1 (02:31):
Listen.

Speaker 3 (02:31):
I tried to correct my saying of Woosta, and apparently
I was wrong again.

Speaker 1 (02:37):
Listen, I tried.

Speaker 2 (02:38):
I mean, look, it's I feel like we might be
making mistake even acknowledging anything at this point, but that man,
Vincent Lee, has now been entirely released. How the fuck
it's how Canada does it how the fuck it's they've
decided that he is rehabilitated and that he is going

(02:59):
to go free. It's there. It's the way their system
is set up. You know.

Speaker 3 (03:03):
What's interesting is that instead of having a like like,
there's a parole board of people who were I don't
know if they're.

Speaker 1 (03:11):
Voted or whatever the fuck, but there's a parole board
that decides if people stay or go.

Speaker 3 (03:15):
Why isn't that also a jury of our peers who
are like, hell, no, I don't want that guy live
in next door to me.

Speaker 1 (03:21):
Well, because I think that's the given.

Speaker 2 (03:23):
I think that if you asked anybody do you want
a criminal out in society, it's the answer is no,
lock them up forever.

Speaker 1 (03:30):
But I think the.

Speaker 2 (03:32):
Idea is if you are trying to aim for rehabilitation,
especially with this guy who was a complete schizophrenic who
just didn't take his meds, He did not know where
he was, He honestly believed a demon was sitting next
to him. None of that, of course, is an excuse
or makes anything okay, especially for that family, But that's

(03:52):
really what was going on with him.

Speaker 1 (03:54):
Now that he's on meds, that's not the person that he.

Speaker 3 (03:57):
Is yeah, but there's no assurance that he's going to
keep taking its right.

Speaker 2 (04:01):
There's also no assurance that you won't kill me right now.
I think that the overall discussion of what is jail
four and what is rehabilitation for real because I think
that anybody who feels unsafe wants the answer to be
locked them up forever, we never see them again, right.

(04:23):
It's you know, I mean we have gotten so many
emails and everybody's a response is like, what the fuck,
what the fuck?

Speaker 1 (04:30):
What the fuck?

Speaker 2 (04:31):
But there are tons of articles about the way Canadian
like the Canadian justice system works, and that that is
the goal is not locked them up and you never
see them again, And because of that, there's a lot
of people that are super pissed off about it.

Speaker 1 (04:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (04:48):
I mean that's not our goal here either, but that
happens sometimes. Either one happens sometimes. Well, we're going to
be in Canada this weekend, so everyone let us know
what you think about it in person.

Speaker 1 (04:59):
They were going on tour this weekend. Our first big sure.

Speaker 3 (05:05):
Yes, I was out on Saturday night with events. We
got an uber home by a retired cop who was
a policeman in Compton for years. It was so fucking cool,
and had his service poodle with him. Was the sweetest
fucking dog.

Speaker 1 (05:25):
They're just like Saturn elapse the whole time.

Speaker 2 (05:27):
No, was that a poodle that had served on the LAPD. No,
that was his own personal It was his.

Speaker 3 (05:34):
I have PTSD from serving in Compton on the police
force for years. Uh huh, So I get to have
an uber and carry this stuck in, adorable, chillispuck dog
with me the whole time. And he was like awesome.
So he drops us off the del Taco you know,
which is like what I mean, we didn't even ask.

Speaker 2 (05:53):
He was like.

Speaker 1 (05:53):
We were like, he was like, I can't go further
than this.

Speaker 3 (05:56):
We're like all right, fine, and so Vincent I Uptown
Taco and we're heading home and we're walking across the
street and someone pulls over and rolls their window down
and I was like, oh fuck and heal and it's
just some random dude by himself, you know, like a
midnight and heels stay sexy.

Speaker 1 (06:18):
That's crazy, I know.

Speaker 3 (06:19):
I mean I had a toxic Masculinity shirt on, so
I don't know if he knew it was me. Yeah,
but he's like, this is my favorite murder. Yeah, girl,
he just jo'ting you out. He's just like a chatting
at me. That's awesome. Grlly again screamed at him.

Speaker 2 (06:31):
Now, that's hilarious to me because I think you and
I talked about that where you were like, is it
nerdy to wear your own shirt rights? And you clearly
made that decision. I made the decision on that shirt.

Speaker 1 (06:42):
Because it's a it's a it's a.

Speaker 3 (06:47):
It's a like protest message and it says my favorite
murder is very small on it, and it looked really
good on me.

Speaker 1 (06:54):
I love that shirt. Which one did you get?

Speaker 4 (06:57):
Well?

Speaker 3 (06:57):
All right, Actually it's funny to ask. This is not
a setup. Got the just the regular unisex T shirts?
I small, And the next day I emailed our fucking
awesome girl at the print full Kirsten, and was like,
can we get this in women's shirts as well? Because
that didn't fit me very well? You know how like
you want certain shirts to fit it well. So we
now have lady's shirts instead of just unisex. Oh oh cool,

(07:20):
yeah cool, my favorite murder shirts, duck.

Speaker 1 (07:25):
I felt. I like it. I liked that you're personally
walking the message around. Yeah, that's fun I felt pretty cool, okay.

Speaker 3 (07:34):
First, So, on June sixth, nineteen ninety six, at two
thirty one am, nine dispatchers in Rolette, Texas, which is
a suburb east of Dallas, receives a call from Darley.

Speaker 1 (07:50):
Rote air.

Speaker 3 (07:51):
She's panicked and she tells the operator that her home
had been broken into and then a stranger had attacked
herself and her two sons, Devin and Damon, who were
five and six. Well, they were sleep on the couch
and they had the person who broke in had stabbed
the boys multiple times and slit her throat. So Devin

(08:12):
was stabbed twice in the chest with a ton of force,
and Damon was stabbed half a dozen or more times
in the back. And Darley the mom, who was sleeping
downstairs with the kids, so her throat was slashed and
she had a bunch of other wounds. Darley's husband and
the father of the two boys, he was asleep upstairs

(08:33):
in bed at the time with their seven month old
baby boy.

Speaker 1 (08:38):
The two boys.

Speaker 3 (08:39):
Ended up dying while Darley was treated at the hospital
and released two days later. She had two slice wounds
in her right forearm and one on her left shoulder
and her throat had been cut, and the doctor said
she survived only because the knife stopped two millimeters short
of her carrottied artery.

Speaker 1 (08:58):
So not it doesn't seemed like a defensive wound or
a self inflicted wound.

Speaker 2 (09:03):
I thought she'd be going right up to the verge
if that was self inflicted, to be insane exactly.

Speaker 3 (09:08):
And then and then the necklace she was wearing had
to be surgically removed from the wound, so it's kind
of the only reason it didn't go through the crodatteries.

Speaker 1 (09:16):
Her own necklace saved.

Speaker 3 (09:18):
Pretty much like when they cut the necklace in, so
maybe it would have gone deeper.

Speaker 1 (09:22):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (09:23):
Yeah. So Darley, who's twenty six at the time, said
that she fell asleep on the couch with the boys,
and the reason she was leaping downstairs with them is
that she was a light sleeper. The baby had been
waking her up often, and as she sleeping on the couch,
she's awakened by Damon's cries, screaming mommy, mommy. And then

(09:43):
she saw a man moving through the kitchen and followed
him as he went towards the garage, and when she
got to the utility room, she saw a knife and
picked it up, and only then, she said, did she
return to Devin and Damon and realized that she had
been stabbed as well. Her husband Darren comes downstairs after
hearing Darley cry and scream and begins administering CPR to Devan,

(10:10):
and by then the whoever it was had disappeared, so
Darren never saw him. And at the scene the police
find a window screen in the garage has been cut,
but the windowsill is undisturbed, like all the dust and
dirts still there, so no one really jumped out of
it were in through it, and the knife that was

(10:30):
used came from inside the house. But also there was
a sock with the boy's blood on it, dropped a
few houses down on the sidewalk. And a few days
after leaving the hospital, Darley shows up at the police
station with dark bruises all over her arms, saying that
they had come from attack, but the doctors who examined
her said that the bruises were too fresh to haven't

(10:52):
been inflicted on the night of the attacks, And they
say that her wounds are self inflicted, but I saw them.

Speaker 1 (11:00):
It is like a full bruise from her shoulder down
to her wrist, Like, it's not just a couple of
little light bruises, it's fucking half of her arm is
a gnarly bruise. Yeah, you're completely convinced you didn't do
it to herself.

Speaker 3 (11:13):
I don't know that, Yes, yes, I don't know how
you would have done that to yourself. But eight days later,
on what would have been Devin's seventh birthday but he died,
the family goes to the cemetery, family and friends, and
apparently they're having a ceremony to honor Devin because it's
his birthday. And there's a whole two hour you know

(11:35):
thing of them, you know, crying and having a whole
ceremony and it being a sad thing. But then the
news put the only the only part the news put
on the on as footage was when they're having a
birthday celebration following the ceremony, in which Darley is singing,

(11:56):
is laughing and spring silly string on the graves her
happy birthday. I remember that fucking video footage and everyone
was like, what in the fucking fuck.

Speaker 1 (12:04):
The silly string is like, yeah, I will never forget
that she's spraying it at the grave.

Speaker 3 (12:09):
It's not even like up in the air, I mean,
and whatever it's she's chewing gum and she's laughing, and
I don't care if you fucking had a ceremony before that,
and you're crying. It's fucking weird, and and she's just creepy.
And so four days later she's charged with capital murder. Wait,

(12:33):
the one who cut her own throat huh or I mean,
whose throat was cut? Throat was cut so closely that
she almost almost cut her two centimeters away from her
crowd millimeters millimeters, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (12:46):
Crazy.

Speaker 3 (12:46):
Yeah, she's arrested for capital murder, and the crime scene
consultant says that the evidence suggests the crime had the
crime scene had been staged.

Speaker 1 (12:57):
So the prosecution suggests.

Speaker 3 (12:59):
That that rote air murder her sons because of the
family's financial difficulties as well as postpartum depression from her
seven month old child. She had never been convicted of anything,
she had never shown abuse towards the kid, and didn't
have any mental illness apparently they described but they described

(13:21):
her as a pampered, materialistic woman with substantial debt, plummeting
credit ratings, and little money in the bank who feared
that her lavish lifestyle was about to end. And it's
true she bought they had a lavish lifestyle, for sure,
but fucking said to a lot of people. So San
Antonio chief medical Examiner testifies that the wound to Rotier's

(13:43):
neck came within two millimeters of her crodritterie and that
was not consistent with self inflicted wounds he had seen
in the past. But Tom Bevel, whose we'll get to,
testifies that cast off blood found on the back of
her night shirt indicates that she had raised the knife
over her head as she would from each boy to
stab again. So there's like these little like he loves

(14:04):
right right and on the right. It fucking spatters blood
under her back, but it's the old blood spatter that
we righte And let's let's remember Tom Bevell's name.

Speaker 2 (14:15):
Oh okay, uh huh posted note on Tom Bevell.

Speaker 3 (14:22):
Okay, So I listened to nine one one call because
of course I did. And I've got to play the
whole thing for you right now.

Speaker 2 (14:28):
No I'm not, and then door slam, Yeah, my car peeling.

Speaker 3 (14:35):
It sounds to me it sounded a lot like the
jambonet Ramsey nine one one call Patsy. Patsy Ramsey's like panicked.
I'm freaking out. I can't answer the questions correctly. There's
something off and the way that it went when the
analysis happened, the me, the I, the my baby her
like not, which I'll get to as well.

Speaker 2 (14:58):
So it's more the nine to one called. She's talking
about herself more than the people who need nine on one.

Speaker 3 (15:04):
Service, yes, and she's answering questions very well until the
question is pointed and then she freaks in you know
what I mean, like remembered she was, like what happened?
And then Patsy just starts creaming my baby might be
you know, she won't fucking answer the question. Okay, So
there's this, Okay, so let's get to that. There's this
fucking incredible blog called that Statement dash Analysis dot blog spot,

(15:27):
which I've been to before just to read. I read
John ben A Ramsey The Patsy Ramsey nine one call Analysis.
This guy's really fucking good at it, and it's super cool.
He examines the entire call and finds a bunch of
discrepancies that leads to him thinking that she's actually knows
more than she's saying. So A couple of this thing
is that she's more concerned with explaining what happened than

(15:50):
with the fact that her sons are dying. So she
keeps coming to conclusions about they came in, how did
they get in, why.

Speaker 1 (15:57):
Would anyone do this?

Speaker 3 (15:59):
It's in CONSI sent the She can't keep her pronouns
or article straight, which this guy statement analysis explains is
very weird, such as he says stuff like them and
then calls them him, and then calls them they, then someone,
then some man. It's never like him. It's never always
him or always a certain pers.

Speaker 1 (16:20):
Talking about the guy that broke in. Yeah, yeh, it's.

Speaker 3 (16:22):
Always a different pronoun which I I'm very or article.
It's very interesting. And in the call she establishes her
alibi for the fact that so the nine one caller says, so,
Darley says that there's a that there was a knife
in the utility exit, and the nine one one caller says, Okay,

(16:43):
leave it there, don't touch it, and Darley says, I
already grabbed it, and then she says, god, I bet
we could have gotten prints from that. Maybe like she
but she's having a panic attacked, she's panicking all, she
does that.

Speaker 1 (16:54):
But I already grabbed it.

Speaker 3 (16:55):
I already grabbed it, and like establishing the fact, and
then goes back to it later like, oh but sorry.

Speaker 1 (17:00):
In that panic, also says we could have gotten prince.

Speaker 3 (17:03):
Off of those back to it, I can't believe I
grabbed the knie, reminding you, I bet we could have
gotten prints off of that. But imagine someone having hysterical
Patsy Ramsey breakdown during that.

Speaker 2 (17:12):
Imagine your children bleeding in front of you and you're
talking about where you that you could e or couldn't
have gotten print.

Speaker 3 (17:20):
She also says like, I bet, I bet this happened,
Like she's establishing she's trying to convince the nine on
one operator of what happened. Yeah, and her husband too,
so so she's trying to convince her husband what happened
while he's ad administering CPR to his kids. Instead of
asking how they are, she keeps saying, Darren, this thing happened.

(17:41):
Can you believe this happened? Someone broke in? Darren, they
broke in, Like she's trying to convince him of it.

Speaker 2 (17:46):
She's talking about the crime as opposed to like the
criminal is opposed to the result.

Speaker 3 (17:50):
What happened, as opposed to are they okay? Are they alive?
What's happening at this moment? And he says, the mother
accepts the children's death even while they're still breathing, saying
they're dead. They're dead. My children are dead. And one
of them is dead. One of them is still breathing.
I think he's giving him CPR and I think he's

(18:10):
he's like, they can tell that he's still alive. Yeah,
So she keeps acknowledging their death. And he was saying
the guy from this website is saying that, you know,
parents won't acknowledge their children's death, for even when saying,
you know your kid passed away. No, no, no, it
didn't happen. I don't believe it can't be true. That's
that's a normal price.

Speaker 2 (18:28):
I feel, oh sorry, I feel like I've seen that
on some shows or whatever. People how they know it's fake.
On the nine one one call is that exact thing.
When you're on the call, it's always about the hope
and the help and.

Speaker 1 (18:43):
Get hearing it now, getting it done, getting quicker. Why
aren't they here yet?

Speaker 2 (18:47):
Exactly as opposed to, like, let's all on this call,
decide this is over.

Speaker 3 (18:51):
Yeah, she keeps yelling they're dead, they're dead, okay, And
then here's the other thing about it. So she keeps
saying she keeps calling her kids by different things, So
it depends on how she's how she's saying they are
that she changes. So at one point she can say
they're dead, my babies are dead, and then when they're

(19:15):
still alive, they're called the boys or my children, changes
depending on what states she's saying they're in. So it's
never my babies, it's never the boys, never my children.
It's always dependent on my babies are dead.

Speaker 1 (19:31):
Period.

Speaker 3 (19:32):
There's never my children are dead. Oh, it's always my babies,
then the children. Why would they attack the children they're
still you know. It's just like.

Speaker 2 (19:40):
Like she's almost got written her lies these certain ways.

Speaker 3 (19:43):
It's not even it's something rehearsed. But it's also the way,
like the way someone who was legitimately reacting wouldn't say
those things. They would stick to it. They would stick
to it. They would would my babies or my children,
they would stick.

Speaker 1 (19:58):
To just one one the whole time.

Speaker 4 (19:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (20:00):
Yeah, And she can't keep the chronology of her story consistent.
Things keep fucking changing like them him someone those things
are not They're supposed to say the same the whole time.
And because she's doing the whole thing of like this
is this must have been what happened this, They did this,

(20:20):
they did that that she has intimate knowledge of the
killer's intentions and thoughts, why would they do this? You know,
and explaining it crazy?

Speaker 1 (20:29):
How long was this fucking nine to one one call?
Like nine minute and it's like five and a half minute.
Did you listen to the whole thing? U?

Speaker 2 (20:34):
Huh?

Speaker 3 (20:34):
Oh dude, that doesn't do nothing for me, especially when
I know I think they're not.

Speaker 1 (20:39):
Yeah, that's even worse when they're lying.

Speaker 2 (20:41):
I know.

Speaker 3 (20:42):
No, it's not worse to me. I don't want to
hear someone's genuine grief. Oh that's true.

Speaker 2 (20:47):
But it's almost like, oh, any my god, what it
makes me think of that Sherry Rasmussen thing I was
telling you about those on case File. It's an amazing episode.
I think it's like three or four case files ago,
and if you haven't listened to it, you have to
go listen to it. But it's this woman who was
a cop.

Speaker 1 (21:04):
Right who killed her?

Speaker 2 (21:05):
She was obsessed with this boyfriend who didn't basically want her.
She ended up killing his wife and then hiding like
basically making sure she would never get caught for it
for years, for years, and then they finally trace it
back to her and they have the entire interrogation, which
she doesn't think is an interrogation, and they're telling her

(21:25):
is not one. They just need to ask her a
couple questions, and you basically listen to her, lie, lie, Lie,
and then it slowly breaks down and like I had
to turn it off because she listening to a person
who still.

Speaker 1 (21:38):
Thinks that they're lying and getting away with it. They're
smarter than the person who.

Speaker 2 (21:42):
When it's blatantly obvious, it's just like painfully obvious, and they're
playing the cops are playing stupid like they would she
never Yeah, so they're going they're just basically saying, listen,
we just need this information. She'd be like, I don't know,
like she did it the same way every time, where
she would do this faky stuff. Yeah, painful.

Speaker 3 (22:02):
That's why I love reading the line for line here,
Like this guy was like this thing. They just said
those two little like he'll highlight I instead of me,
or you know what I mean, like that's shit that
you just don't pay attention to.

Speaker 1 (22:16):
I fucking love that stuff, like because you can't control
it in the moment.

Speaker 3 (22:19):
Right because a normal person and they've and this person studied,
you know, so many normal true nine on one calls
and confessions that here's what people say when they're legitimately
going through grief and freaking the fuck out. Yeah, you
don't say these other things. And here's how you know
they're lying. So, I mean, we know the ones that
are lying, and he brings up examples of them, A

(22:41):
lot of the ones that are like, it's like this
one that is untrue, that is proven to be untrue.

Speaker 1 (22:47):
I don't know. I think it's fucking awesome. It is.

Speaker 3 (22:49):
It's fascinating, Okay, And here's my favorite part, and this
is the last thing I'll say about it.

Speaker 1 (22:53):
She also talks about how he says.

Speaker 3 (22:56):
She also talks about how the knife is quote the
knife was quote line in the garage, like laying in
the garage, And then he says, when an inanimant object
is reported to be lying, standing, sitting, et cetera, the
passive language suggests that the subject placed it there. Knives
cannot quote lie down, nor stand nor sit. So when
the language is employed, it is a verbal sign that

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the speaker or the subject is responsible for the placement.
This is commonly seen in murder weapons and in drugs,
as in the drugs were sitting on the cabinet as
an example, and it is like, you think of it,
it's like it was doing this thing away from me
that I had nothing to do with. The drugs were
just sitting on the cabinet instead of the drugs were.

Speaker 1 (23:40):
On the cabinet.

Speaker 2 (23:42):
So it's basically like in their mind they're watching themselves
put it on the ground.

Speaker 1 (23:47):
Or then it's like it's lying on the ground.

Speaker 3 (23:48):
Or they're purposely distancing or saying what they would have
seen if they weren't part of it, if they weren't involved.
I saw a knife lying on the ground. Well it's like, no,
if you weren't involved in that, you would just see
a knife on the ground.

Speaker 1 (24:02):
A knife on the ground.

Speaker 2 (24:03):
Yeah, that's fasct. Isn't that interesting? Yes, that's like that.
Do you ever see that fucking Tim Roth TV show
where it was all about catching lying and micro expressions
and all that.

Speaker 1 (24:14):
So no, but I knew I would like that every
time I heard about it. Yes, it was. That's what
that show was. Like me is all like eyes and
what lie to me?

Speaker 2 (24:22):
Right?

Speaker 1 (24:22):
Yes, it's like right now, no, don't tell me, try it.

Speaker 2 (24:28):
That and you look up to you look up one
direction when you're telling the truth, remembering, and you look
up the other one you're lying remembering.

Speaker 1 (24:34):
Never remember which one. I can't, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (24:37):
But then you end up looking at every single every
single person's like blink or like her eyelash moved?

Speaker 1 (24:43):
Is she lying? It doesn't.

Speaker 2 (24:44):
I think those ones don't apply it to everything, but
language it makes more sense.

Speaker 1 (24:48):
You can't control it as well.

Speaker 3 (24:50):
Yeah, because you distance yourself from things by saying certain things.
And you and it's it's not rehearsed in that you
read a script and said, Okay, here's what I'm gonnay say.
But it's like and this he keeps saying that. Uh,
when you're when you're going from memory, from legitimate memory,
you don't stop to say these inconsistencies. You know, I

(25:13):
fucking love it.

Speaker 2 (25:14):
You don't stop to go we could have gotten prints
off the night just sleatly fucking or at that point
it's like it doesn't matter that's you're you telling me
over and over again that someone broke into your house
and came at you.

Speaker 3 (25:27):
Doesn't matter. What matters is getting someone over there right away.
Like you don't need the nine one one operator doesn't
need to know that.

Speaker 1 (25:34):
Will you say it once? And that's all the information
they need to know.

Speaker 3 (25:37):
Yeah, And they said, like when they when they say
nine one one, what is your emergency?

Speaker 1 (25:41):
It's so there.

Speaker 3 (25:42):
That doesn't have to be any greeting, any you know, pretenses.
You just fucking say what your emergency is. And she
started with a man came into my house. This happened,
I got my throat is slit or whatever, and like
babies got stabbed. Like she doesn't even start, get someone
over here right now. My children are dying. Oh you know,

(26:03):
like you don't need this isn't the trial.

Speaker 2 (26:06):
You're not here to tell the story about what just happened,
which you clearly made up. What should be your immediate
action is to save my fucking baby.

Speaker 3 (26:16):
Yet someone fucking as soon as possible. Yeah, all right,
So remember Tom Bevell, I sure do.

Speaker 2 (26:22):
I put a post it note on the mental idea
of him.

Speaker 1 (26:25):
I saw that.

Speaker 3 (26:27):
So he stated that the blood stains on her Victoria's
secret night shirt were quote consistent with cast off blood.

Speaker 1 (26:34):
Blahbadi blah.

Speaker 3 (26:37):
He says that cast off stains on the front indicate
that she could not have been lying on the couch
when the Suns were attacked, and that the crime scene
was staged because of that. So Tom Bevell is the
dude who is being taken to court and has proven
that a bunch of the blood spatter analysis that he

(27:01):
testified to and got people fucking found guilty for a
lot of that is incorrect and bunk science.

Speaker 2 (27:08):
He's someone that made it up, right, Like he basically
became a blood spatter expert on his own declaration.

Speaker 3 (27:16):
Yeah, And I don't even know if he thinks that
he made it up. It's almost like he just seems
like a cocky son of a bitch who was like,
here's what happens, and believed it and became this big
time you know, prosecuting witness and fucking loved it and
kept talking about it.

Speaker 2 (27:34):
Now he's the guy from the staircase, right Yeah, Yeah
that basically like at the end, they're just like all
of this is yeah thrown out.

Speaker 3 (27:41):
Well, so much of that evidence, like remember we were
talking about the hair evidence that's not really conclusive. The
bloods better evidence. All this shit is like proving to
be bullshit, all right, So there's evidence to suggest that
she wasn't the killer. The article in Texas Monthly by

(28:03):
Skip Hollinsworth, Oh it's got the best name. So the
several neighbors told police that they had noticed a dark
car slowly cruising through the area in the weeks before
the crime, and one even said that the car occasionally
stopped near their house. The reiters the roy Tier's house,
and that a private and guestgater working for Darley's appellatet

(28:26):
attorney says that Darren, her husband, admitted that in the
spring of ninety six, when his business was in trouble
and he was twenty two thousand dollars in debt, he
asked Darley's stepfather if he knew anyone who might break
into the family's house as part of an insurance scam.

Speaker 1 (28:41):
What the fuck I know?

Speaker 3 (28:43):
He admitted this to the reporter Skip Hollinsworth, who wrote
an article about it and said that he confessed to
the scheme that this was true. He asked someone to
break into their house to steal shit so they could
make money, so they could get the insurance money off
the items he stole, right, which is like different than
having someone killed, but it's not far from it.

Speaker 2 (29:05):
Well, it's yes, it's the willingness to break the laws
so you can get your ass out of whatever financial
problem you're in.

Speaker 3 (29:11):
And it's knowing that you can hire someone to do
a deed for you so that you can get insurance money.

Speaker 2 (29:16):
And you're dumb enough to tell people, which makes me
think if you're dumb enough to tell the father of
your wife who ends up getting.

Speaker 3 (29:24):
Her throat slit, that seems too. That doesn't seem that
doesn't seem cagy enough to me too. I don't know
on his part. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, So anyways, uh,
he says that he confessed he had discussed it with
other people in town. He says, there's a possibility I
said the same thing in conversation with people that worked

(29:47):
around me. I don't remember what I said, but there's
a strong possibility that was on my mind in conversation
I could have said that.

Speaker 1 (29:54):
So he is.

Speaker 3 (29:55):
He is saying that, like, maybe he mentioned to someone
that he wanted insurance money. So maybe so and broke
in and killed his children and tried to kill his wife,
so he you know, it's like just I don't know,
it's so fucking weird. But so they say his guilt
his It would have been financial trouble.

Speaker 1 (30:13):
That was his motive.

Speaker 3 (30:14):
And he had a two hundred and fifty thousand life
insurance policy on Darley, so the main motive was.

Speaker 1 (30:20):
To kill her. Why would he kill why would they
kill the children?

Speaker 2 (30:23):
Though?

Speaker 1 (30:24):
Whatever?

Speaker 3 (30:25):
He but Darren had an eight hundred thousand dollared life
insurance policy on him. So who's to say that if
Darley was and had done it, why wouldn't she have
just killed the husband? Why would she kill her two children?
It's fucking confusing. And the policies on that kids was
really low, so it wasn't like they were the main motive.

(30:46):
He failed a polygraph test and it is shown to
be lying to four questions. The questions were, was he
involved in any plan to commit a crime at his
house on June sixth, nineteen ninety six, did he stab Darley?
Did he know who planted the sock in the alley?
And could he name the person who stared who stabbed Darley?
So he failed those four questions. But part of the

(31:09):
bargain that the high profile lawyers that cost ninety four
thousand dollars to hire for Darley was that they would.

Speaker 1 (31:19):
Agree to.

Speaker 3 (31:21):
Not go with the defense attorney original defense attorney's strategy,
which was to raise reasonable doubt for Darley by casting
suspicion on the husband. So they were like, well, we'll
represent you or you we'll pay you, but you can't
suggest that the husband did it, which is like weird.
So she Darley is convicted of murdering Damon and only

(31:44):
one kid, and on February fourth, ninety seven, she's sentenced
to death by lethal injection.

Speaker 1 (31:49):
Sorry really quick? Did the second kid live?

Speaker 3 (31:52):
No, they both died, okay, But for she was just
still alive on that call, right for some reason, it's
just one children child. I don't understand. It's just so confounding.
A juror is later expressed regret, saying that there were
photos of her injuries that never were shown during the
trial and that she felt coerced by other jurors to

(32:15):
find Darly guilty. The court reporter made thirty three thousand,
thirty three hundred mistakes in the transcript, which is now
as a court reporter.

Speaker 1 (32:28):
No, never a core student. Oh well, someone that.

Speaker 3 (32:32):
Knows a little bit about it. You would have never
passed your class. You would never become a court reporter
if you made that many mistakes.

Speaker 1 (32:39):
That's an insane amount. Like, that's insane.

Speaker 2 (32:43):
Those people have to be like because it's it's what
they're writing, becomes like.

Speaker 3 (32:49):
It's the only it's the only evidence of what happened
in that courtroom.

Speaker 1 (32:54):
Yeah, so yeah, that's that should be a mistrial alone.
What was she doing or he? I don't know. High
as fuck.

Speaker 3 (33:04):
She acknowledged that she had lied to cover what she
feared was a reverse, an irreversible error that would have
gotten wrote gotten Darley a new trial. So she she
made these many mistakes and then she lied about it.

Speaker 1 (33:17):
Because she didn't want her to get a new trial.

Speaker 3 (33:19):
Because she didn't want to get in trouble. Oh oh,
and she loses she lost her license. But I think
that's fair. Yeah, but she was granted immunity from prosecution
by the DA's office, which would have had to which
would have if she had been if she had spoken
about it, they would have gotten a new trial for
U Darley. So it's all fucked up. That alone, fucking

(33:39):
who cares? So I watched like the first jail house
interview of Darley and she has that creepy little girl
voice of like I've been like the weird little girl
voice of like.

Speaker 1 (33:52):
Something is not right with your voice? VI mean, oh yeah, no,
I was just thinking.

Speaker 2 (33:58):
Maria Bamford has a joke, the higher you're of always
the angrier you are.

Speaker 1 (34:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (34:03):
Yeah, Maria Vanmper could play this chick really well. I
bet she like she looks like our friend Glenna's McCarthy.
Oh wow, pretty blonde, looks all American and then just.

Speaker 1 (34:14):
Hands this little noise. So she's just trying really.

Speaker 3 (34:17):
Hard, and it's just so creepy because the interviewer, the woman,
the news reporter, is female, and the way Darley is
talking to her is just like very it just seems creepy.
It's just not right, which I know is not a
reason why someone killed someone.

Speaker 1 (34:33):
What's the vibe though?

Speaker 3 (34:34):
The vibe is not understanding that you seem off like
this sociopath, Like here's what empathy looks like, and I'm
trying to do that and I must be so believable.

Speaker 2 (34:48):
Oh so, like, uh, what overly or under overly not
even overly, just not authentic.

Speaker 1 (35:03):
She's not overdoing it.

Speaker 3 (35:04):
It just doesn't seem authentic, which I will fucking take
back if she's found innocent little girl boys. Oh and
at the end of the interview, she asks to sing
a hymn she used to sing to her sons, and
she sings it straight to the camera, looking forlornly with
her fucking furrowed brow, and she does all the like

(35:26):
Christina Aguilera hies and lows not very low, not very well,
but does.

Speaker 4 (35:30):
The like geez, you know, like no, yeah, it's fucking weird,
and she's taking straight to camera trying to look sad.

Speaker 1 (35:42):
That's there, you go. And that's all I need.

Speaker 2 (35:46):
Do you know what?

Speaker 3 (35:46):
I find weird too, And this could just be me
being an atheist. Is like when people are like, well,
it's okay, I'm gonna see them in heaven. I'm fine,
Like they're fine with someone dying because they think they're
gonna see them soon, which is like, if that's what
you believe, fine, but you should still be more the
fact that they're dead and they died horrifically. You shouldn't
be like it's fine, I'm gonna see them one day.

Speaker 2 (36:05):
Also, if you're the mother, Yeah, like any mother, even
if their children are full grown. If the children die
before the mother, the mother is fucking ruined, broken, there's
no time to broa sing a goddamn song.

Speaker 1 (36:23):
And the reporter in the show says, she asks to
sing a song that she like, she can you can
tell by the way she says, like she didn't just
let it play out with her singing. She voiceovered. She
asked us like, and she asked us to do this.

Speaker 3 (36:39):
Wait, is it local or is it like a twenty
it's like a twenty twenty, but it's like late nineties.
The other thing is all these people online and there's
all these like Darling's and Darley's innocent. Darley's not innocent.
And everyone goes to the silly string at the at
the graveyard and how fucking crazy that is and she's
laughing intoing gum and every single time that someone mentions

(37:01):
that says, well, you don't know how someone grieves for
their like that's the argument for everything. Like you can't
read into that at all because you don't know how
you'd grieve and blah blah blah, And.

Speaker 1 (37:08):
It's like that's true.

Speaker 3 (37:09):
For the night of and you're in shock and you
don't crying hysterics. But eight days later and you're fucking
laughing and don't have a sign of fucking you look
really pretty, and the news vans are there and they're
supposed to be there.

Speaker 1 (37:22):
Yeah, and you're celebrating. You're doing a show, is what
you're doing. You're not your quote celebrating.

Speaker 2 (37:31):
Well, yeah, the idea of like, we're going to celebrate
his life even though it just ended.

Speaker 3 (37:37):
That doesn't happen for ten years. Then ten years later,
we're gonna celebrate his life. We're gonna let some balloons
go great whatever the fuck.

Speaker 2 (37:45):
Yes, it's not like laughter and kind of joy. Also,
all of that indicates a drug or a drink of
some kind, because there's a bit of separation of like,
to me, that's what that sounds like. It reminds me
of remember in the in the uh, that fucking horrible case.
Now you're not to tell me the the whatever three

(38:08):
the boys? Yes, remember that one where the one mother
she like once they have to go. She starts getting
interviewed and she's clearly fucked up.

Speaker 1 (38:19):
She's like drunken on pills or she's like collapsing.

Speaker 2 (38:22):
Yes, Like it's that kind of thing where that it
makes perfect sense, Like I don't expect people to grieve
correctly or do anything, and I do expect them to
take something to medicate themselves, but they don't have to
sit in that horrible shit.

Speaker 3 (38:37):
And you understand denial being like I'm not crying and
because I don't understand, I'm at a hospital around strangers
and you're telling me like this isn't I'm not at
home looking at my children's clothing. You know, I'm not
acknowledging this. This doesn't make any sense right now.

Speaker 2 (38:51):
Yeah, you're just in this nightmare world. All of that
is fine, but it doesn't have an underpinning of celebration.

Speaker 1 (38:59):
I'm laughed totally.

Speaker 2 (39:00):
It has an underpinning of like when you can when
someone's like a tragic drunk, you're like, oh no, they're
on the verge of tears, but they're like, eh, it's fine,
everything's fine.

Speaker 3 (39:10):
All the things that remind me. Okay, So this happened
in June of ninety six. December of ninety six is
when fucking Jean Benet happen. And there are really a
lot of similarities. Patsy Ramsey going on camera and crying
about my babies, which or my baby hold your babies close,
same kind of wording and full face of makeup, looks

(39:32):
fucking put together as shit is on it already doing PR.
Her lawyers already like get in there and do some
PR and like clean the shit up.

Speaker 1 (39:40):
I mean, no, don't, don't. I can't imagine, peruse all.

Speaker 2 (39:46):
I can't imagine what would be like to have a child,
because it's so god dam stressful.

Speaker 1 (39:52):
How you would do anything?

Speaker 2 (39:53):
Like if I lost a child and then they were
like you have to go talk on TV, I'd be like,
I will murder you, Like, get the fuck away from me.

Speaker 3 (40:01):
When one of these two little fucking sleeepy, furry beings
that are hanging out with me right now, my cats,
they're not whatever that could be taken in a lot
of ways, I will fucking I will be a wreck
when these two die, of course, the rest of my
fucking life. And they're not my children, right, I don't.
It doesn't make any sense to me. So I think
what happened is that Darley and Darren planned something together.

(40:26):
There's no way that he was just oblivious to all
of that.

Speaker 2 (40:29):
No, way right, not if he was already asking people
if he could make money by getting his house wrong.

Speaker 3 (40:35):
He knows insurance scams, Yeah, he knows what's going on.

Speaker 1 (40:39):
Her deep neck wound.

Speaker 3 (40:41):
I don't think she could have done herself, but you know,
it could have someone else who's fucking trying to make
it look that way.

Speaker 1 (40:46):
But who stabs their own children?

Speaker 3 (40:49):
How maybe maybe the intruder they paid to come in
and do it. Can they're not their own children? But
that's not their own children.

Speaker 1 (40:58):
What do you mean? I think they did here someone
to come in.

Speaker 2 (41:01):
But they're hiring someone to kill their own children. You're
not saying it's not their children. You're it's not the intruder,
it's not the true children.

Speaker 3 (41:07):
And that maybe maybe Darley was the only uh intended
victim and something went wrong. Oh, because because there's so
many ways she could have covered it up. She could
have just not been sleeping downstairs that night, you know
what I mean, Like, why was she because the kids

(41:28):
were sleeping downstairs. They were doing that on a regular basis,
it was summer, they watched TV late. They could have
she could have just gone to bed and let the
kids sleep downstairs. If she really didn't. Yeah, why did
she have to be in the mix at all?

Speaker 1 (41:39):
Right?

Speaker 2 (41:40):
Yeah, and why do you think why what? Why do
you think she had to be in the mix at all?

Speaker 1 (41:46):
That doesn't make any sense to me.

Speaker 3 (41:48):
Maybe she maybe she legitimately has nothing to do with
it and Darren is the only one involved.

Speaker 1 (41:54):
Maybe it's some.

Speaker 3 (41:55):
Guy who worked for him and was like, I'm gonna
do this and then he's gonna owe me money and
had nothing to do with it. I don't think that's
true because there's no other evidence. I mean, whatever, fuck,
I've been going on too long. I'm sorry, it's just
it's bonkers.

Speaker 1 (42:09):
No, it's fascinating.

Speaker 2 (42:11):
Well, also, if she okay, then then yeah, flip it around.

Speaker 1 (42:16):
If she if he did attack her.

Speaker 2 (42:19):
And almost killed her and killed her children, then all
that other stuff. Did she just fucking snap and like
knowing she was she in on it, but then didn't
think she was going to get attacked and went crazy?

Speaker 1 (42:35):
Maybe or did she realize.

Speaker 3 (42:39):
I mean, that's the thing that they said to is
that mothers who kill their children, drown them, poison them,
suffocate them, don't manically stab your own child.

Speaker 2 (42:53):
Stabbing is fucking awful in intense and like the personal ones.

Speaker 3 (42:57):
Especially when she's never had a aside from postpartumderpression, which
I think fucking everyone gets, every mother gets. And you
know she's freaking out because they don't have any money,
so she's stressed. But you don't, No, you don't go
from no mental issues like Andrea Yates who had them,
who kept trying to fucking get help for that.

Speaker 2 (43:20):
But there is like the Diane downs, which is she
she shot, which is different but close at close range
her three children, Right.

Speaker 3 (43:32):
That's even shooting and stabbing fucking light years when it
comes to your children, don't.

Speaker 1 (43:39):
You think I mean, we can say this because we
don't have kids.

Speaker 2 (43:44):
So we don't well, how the fuck a how the
fuck would we know at all? Be I agree with
you in that stabbing is like if it was once,
if each one was stabbed once in the chest and they.

Speaker 1 (44:00):
Both throat slit.

Speaker 3 (44:01):
As much as I hate to say, it's like you
know you're gonna but here's what I didn't say is
that one of the kids was stabbed on the ground.
They were on the ground through to the carpet four times.
Oh Like it was not a like no, you know,
it's like a fucking angry stabbing. I know what happened.

(44:22):
I think it was an intruder, but I don't think
that they're not involved.

Speaker 2 (44:26):
But she's the one that went to jail and he
did not death penalty, so she's still on death row.

Speaker 3 (44:32):
Yeah, and he is not. Never he's living with the
baby who's now older. Obviously because this was from the
nineties ninety six. The fuck yeah, dude, and the whole
family's behind her. They all don't think she did it,
like his family ever, No one thinks she did it.

(44:58):
I mean, go watch, go watch the interviews and tell
me what you think. And go watch the video of
her fucking spring silly string, and.

Speaker 1 (45:04):
No, I've seen it. Chomping gum.

Speaker 2 (45:06):
I saw that video like right after it happened, and
I can still replay it in my head now at
this moment.

Speaker 1 (45:13):
The silly string is so aggressive. It's like, even if
you just was.

Speaker 3 (45:17):
The balloons, the silly string is like, if you've fucking
spread me a silly string out of nowhere, I'm gonna
be pissed off.

Speaker 1 (45:25):
Yes, it's too strong, Yeah, it's.

Speaker 2 (45:27):
Like it's it's very it's kind of like some pranks
where it's like actually very aggressive.

Speaker 1 (45:35):
Look, how stupid do you look? You're getting silly string
in the face because it's not like too too, It's
like it's a weird attack.

Speaker 3 (45:42):
And she's doing it like that to us, to a
gravestats to a grave.

Speaker 1 (45:48):
Stone, laughing while she's doing it, like.

Speaker 2 (45:50):
Hahi, guys, isn't this I introduced me to the person.
I one hundred percent agree with the people that are like,
you don't know other people grieve.

Speaker 1 (45:58):
I one hundred percent believe if you have a child die, you.

Speaker 2 (46:01):
Get to take every drug you want, You get to
drink all the drinks in the world, do whatever the
fuck you want, and it might make you act super weird,
but there would still not be an element of celebration,
especially because all of those things have a depressive quality
to them.

Speaker 1 (46:17):
Alcohol is a depressant. I mean, those pills would be
depressing everyone's parent.

Speaker 3 (46:21):
When I die, when I'm eighty five, I want you
to have a party and celebrate my life. And it's like, okay, Dad,
nobody fucking does that. Leaving your father had like an
amazing life. You're not going to be like, let's have
a party left the song. No, you're all fucking grieving
but but and.

Speaker 2 (46:37):
Even if you're like, like my mom's funeral, there was
lots of laughing because she was super funny, right, but
people were fucking sobbed, right, But you can you can
entertainly the complexity of an emotional situation like that a
child being stabbed to death by someone you're purporting to,
not by some psychopath that you don't know who it

(46:59):
is at on the fucking loose, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (47:01):
You don't.

Speaker 2 (47:01):
You don't have a birthday party at the grave site.
You simply do not.

Speaker 3 (47:05):
You can go to the gravesite and grieve, but you
also don't call the fucking news vans and tell them
you're there, because they weren't just hanging out there. It's
like when celebrities are like, oh, I got caught having
a date at fucking Spago. It's like, no, your publicist
calls and says so and so it's going to be
at Spago. So you think she called news vans. I
can't imagine. Maybe they followed her there. I don't know,

(47:25):
like you don't. There's some reason they were there, Yes,
that's right, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (47:29):
That's right.

Speaker 2 (47:30):
They thought And maybe it could have been like the
singing where she thought this will look good on.

Speaker 3 (47:34):
Tape for me, because she doesn't understand human emotion and
what it's supposed to look like. And so here's what
it's supposed to look like. We're celebrating their life. Like
most normal people who have fucking real emotions are like,
uh uh, Like look at this hymn I used to
sing to my babies at night. But look at what
a great singer I am. Is really what it's saying, right,

(47:55):
And look how sad I look? Stephen, Why are you
laughing right now? This isn't funny.

Speaker 1 (47:59):
It's funny, it's just it's so gross. Yes, it's insanely gross.
It's like, can I sing a song? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (48:06):
And that the even the newscaster or the newswoman was like, no,
I'm telling you that she asked to do this because
this is fucking weird.

Speaker 1 (48:14):
Yeah, I would want to get on tape.

Speaker 2 (48:15):
You'd be like, make sure everyone understands we didn't pre
produce her or lead her into this.

Speaker 1 (48:20):
This was her idea totally.

Speaker 2 (48:22):
And also that that is a dividing line because it's like,
this is this is a person who is thinking of
themselves and what they seem like more than anything else.

Speaker 3 (48:34):
What's the what the what they think mom should do?
I want to sing this song. It's the song I
sang to my children. So she's like, look at this
thing I did. I did for my children. That's right,
not you know, it's it's her first. It's the crazy narcissism.
You think your kids are really stoked to hear the
song every night about Jesus.

Speaker 1 (48:54):
No, they want to fight?

Speaker 3 (48:55):
Do you want to sing the fucking itsy bitsy spider?
Like that's what your fucking little five year old kid
was into, not your fucking him of you singing like
Christina Aguilera. Man.

Speaker 2 (49:04):
It's also that makes me think of the Diane Downes
video where she in showing the guy started laughing and
she'slurting with the guy.

Speaker 1 (49:12):
She was the reporter she was supposed to be showing
it too. It is the creepiest video. Okay, here we go.
That was really long. I'm sorry, No, no, no, it was good.
I liked it. Okay, Oh last thing. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (49:27):
Her prison job is cross stitching baby blankets that are
later sold to state prison employees.

Speaker 1 (49:36):
Baby blankets. She crossed stitches.

Speaker 2 (49:38):
It can you imagine is someone being sarcastic in the
jail job give heard this job or.

Speaker 1 (49:46):
Is she's is that someone's supposed to be her fick.

Speaker 3 (49:50):
She's saying, maybe she's telling people that, but it's not true.

Speaker 1 (49:54):
They trust me enough to make their baby blankets. But
really it's like.

Speaker 2 (49:57):
I also want to note about that neck one necklund, right.

Speaker 3 (50:01):
I mean, there's photos of it and you can't tell
because it's covered up by like bandages, but it looks
I don't I can't tell, but from what I read
about it, it's deep.

Speaker 1 (50:12):
Fucking crazy. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (50:14):
Also because most of those people just they do something
to the opposite arm.

Speaker 1 (50:19):
And it was on both sides of her body that
she got hit, which is not normal. He was in it,
he did it. He did it to her.

Speaker 3 (50:27):
She wasn't supposed to do it as deep maybe, Ah, fuck, man.

Speaker 1 (50:32):
When do we find out? What if that really hap
what happened? Tomorrow? Oh good? You call me?

Speaker 3 (50:38):
Yeah, okay, we'll go put it go to our Twitter,
and we're gonna have We're gonna be the only ones
who know, and we're gonna.

Speaker 2 (50:45):
I mean that it is like cut to forty years later.
It's just all these That's how all these are. And
maybe that's part of the draw. It's just that thing
of like this long, real life mystery.

Speaker 3 (50:56):
And you can like entertain all these different possibilities because
you don't want to be like, this is what happened,
and I.

Speaker 1 (51:04):
Know it right, because you can't be who fucking knows?
Who knows? But also.

Speaker 2 (51:10):
You know a little like like that thing of like
analyzing language and stuff.

Speaker 3 (51:15):
And it's been twenty years. Can you fucking believe that?
So you know, I read conflicting comments on every fucking
thing of like this happened, this happened. I'm like, I
never read anything about fingerprints anywhere else. What are you
fucking talking about? And then you have to go down
that it's just like.

Speaker 1 (51:32):
Was there any new stuff?

Speaker 3 (51:35):
Just little things DNA? They're going to do DNA testing
on this fingerprint, like I don't know, but nothing is
being concluded too.

Speaker 2 (51:42):
It is pretty fascinating that that guy that the blood
spatter expert was.

Speaker 1 (51:45):
In this case right, specifically him.

Speaker 2 (51:48):
How many did he just travel around the country fucking
up murder cases?

Speaker 3 (51:53):
It sounds like it it's all right, piece of shit?
Well are you ready for this one? Always?

Speaker 2 (52:03):
This is a story that I heard when I first
moved to Los Angeles. This is kind of like a
popular old timey Hollywood like rumor story, which is the
Fatty our our Buckle rape and murder case.

Speaker 1 (52:17):
Have you ever heard that one?

Speaker 2 (52:18):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (52:18):
I love this one, but I don't know what a
ton of facts about it? Okay, same here.

Speaker 2 (52:22):
That's why I looked into it, which is makes it
fascinating because the only thing I ever knew for a
really long time was Fatty Arbuckle was a silent film star,
like around the time of Charlie Chaplin and Harold Lloyd,
and he was and he that he raped and killed
a girl and that he raped her with a like

(52:43):
a broken bottle, right, did.

Speaker 1 (52:45):
You hear that too? Yeah? Okay, that's like yeah, So
that's that's the only thing I knew that he was
a huge star.

Speaker 2 (52:55):
And then after that his reputation, of course was ruined
and you never heard from him again. Oh, here's the
real story, and it's pretty amazing. So Fatty Arbuckle when
he was eight years old, We're just gonna start from
the beginning as if we don't know anything, and we
don't know any of those stories, got it. Let's just
tell it like that, because that's what the very aggressive

(53:18):
British narrator of this Fatty Arbuckle Crimes and Misdemeanors are
some fucking show that I watched. He was just like,
and none of it's true, and he's just like really
defensive of Fatty Arbuckle.

Speaker 1 (53:30):
Okay. So but he was basically like, put it all
out of your.

Speaker 2 (53:34):
Mind, so stop thinking, stop thinking about it, okay. So
in eighteen ninety five, Fatty Arbuckle was a kid hanging
around the back door of a theater and a producer
walks by and sees him and grabs him and says,
do you want to be in a play because they
need a kid to play an eight year old? And
he does it and he's great, and he ends up

(53:55):
being in every production that they did at that theater
that year.

Speaker 1 (53:59):
He was a magician assistant.

Speaker 2 (54:01):
He went from it was everything from being a magician's
assistant to having a small part in.

Speaker 1 (54:05):
A Victorian drama. So he was like made for the theater.

Speaker 2 (54:10):
Then four years later, his mother dies and his father
abandons him, so he just starts having to work.

Speaker 1 (54:17):
Just by himself.

Speaker 2 (54:18):
As a young teen, he works in a hotel and
his coworkers one day overhear him singing and they encourage
him to enter a talent contest and he does and
he wins it, and that's how he gets into vaudeville.
So this was like right at that time was the
very beginning of silent movies. This is when all of

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Los Angeles was Orange Groves and then like three basically
film studios, one of which was Max Senet's Keystone Films,
and Max Sennet's Keystone Films was like huge, and that's
they would just go basically take people out of vaudeville
and start making movies of them crazy. So like if
you see you know, very few people have seen that

(55:02):
much of Fatty Arbuckle, but like if you see any
and I highly recommend that you do it.

Speaker 1 (55:07):
Like W. C.

Speaker 2 (55:08):
Field started in vaudeville also, and when you when you
start in vaudeville and you work in vaudeville, you have
to be.

Speaker 1 (55:15):
Able to do this crazy shit.

Speaker 2 (55:17):
So it's like you have to be an acrobat and
you have to like do slight of hand and you
have to kind of learn all the things so that
you can be any act. Basically, like if you're a
comedian back then, you kind of had to be much
more talented than you have to be now play to
the back of the room, right, and so like I mean,
this is I only saw the clips that they had

(55:39):
in this documentary of Fatty Arbuckle, but he was like fat,
big and fat, but he was super graceful and he
could like kind of do anything. And it was of
course a lot of physical comedy, but he would do
these really funny things like you would do a thing
and trip and then you would recover and do almost
like a ballerina move. So it was I laughed out

(56:00):
out during this documentary. And it also reminds me of
like there's some W. C. Fields short films, and it
just shows what his vaudeville act was. And he could
do a thing where he would take his hat off
that it was like a set like a living room.
He'd walk in the door, take his hat off, throw
it across the room and it would go on to.

Speaker 1 (56:18):
The hat rat I have seeing that. It's amazing, it's real.
There's no it's him.

Speaker 2 (56:23):
That's what he would do a vaudeville So it was
all it was all versions of juggling.

Speaker 1 (56:27):
They it was just like ways that they could juggle things,
slight of hand and all this shit.

Speaker 2 (56:31):
Yeah, exactly, and so basically they pull him out of vaudeville.
He starts making short films for mac Senet and he
is basically kind of the fat guy foil for like
Charlie Chaplin. He becomes the most popular comedian that make
any of these films. People love him, and then he

(56:53):
start they let him start directing his own He hired
I believe he's the first person to hire I shouldn't
say first person, but he's one of the earliest people
to work with and hire Harol Lloyd and Buster Keaton, like,
but he Buster Keaton worked under him for a while.

Speaker 1 (57:09):
I was such a crush on Buster Keaton.

Speaker 2 (57:11):
Busser Keaton is fucking amazing, so hot and lived the
big eyes yeah and legitimately amazing Yeah no, I mean incredible, yeah,
and also hot and well because like he did all
those fucking stunts, like he did them. They actually showed
a clip of a movie that was a very early

(57:31):
Fatty Arbuckle movie, and in it it was called Backstage,
I believe, and it was about these people that were
like it was like a silent film about a comedy
about life in the theater. But there's a part where
he's sitting there serenading a girl and the.

Speaker 1 (57:45):
House, the front of the house falls down over him.

Speaker 2 (57:48):
That basically later on, Charlie Chaplin made famous and got
super famous for and it's basically like of Freddie Arbuckles.
So it's sorry, it's a little bit like he was
one of the eras original case of comedy.

Speaker 1 (58:03):
They started the tour. It was his idea.

Speaker 2 (58:07):
So he becomes huge at Max Sennett Studios or Keystone Studios,
and he starts making a bunch of movies, short movies
with Mabel Mormon, who was a famous actress at the time,
and the two of them got crazy popular. It was
like it was super cute. They were like husband and wife,
and then they would it would just be these little

(58:28):
comedic kind of vignettes, and they got so popular that
they were asked In nineteen fifteen, they were asked to
go to it was called the World's Something Fair in
San Francisco. So I don't know if it was the
World's Fair, the official one or like a specific fair
for something, yes, but they basically a silent film was

(58:51):
becoming this huge business. The film industry was like exploding,
and the pr industry around the film industry was exploding podcasts.

Speaker 1 (59:02):
Exactly. You're finally figuring out.

Speaker 2 (59:04):
They were like, what we are the new Mabel Norman
and Fatty Arbuckle.

Speaker 3 (59:09):
Yeah, I do not say here too, your Mabel Arbuckle
on Fatty Norman? Nice nice cover, fair.

Speaker 1 (59:16):
Very fair. So uh.

Speaker 2 (59:20):
By the summer of nineteen twenty one, he he had
moved to Paramount Pictures. So I'm sure there was some
kind of like and I think this might I don't know,
in I have theories about this. He moved from Max
Senett Studios to Paramount Pictures and.

Speaker 1 (59:39):
He got paid a million dollars a.

Speaker 3 (59:42):
Year in that money that time. Yes, holy fuckballs, it
is crazy. It's crazy.

Speaker 2 (59:48):
He signed a contract for three million dollars, a three
year contract for three million dollars.

Speaker 1 (59:52):
To make we got one of those right now in.

Speaker 2 (59:54):
This I know it's like and back, this was fucking
nineteen twenty This was the Great Depression essentially, or well
ten years before. Yeah, but still like bananas money. It
was like back when people will be like, brother, can
you spare a dime? And that was like a meaningful
amount of money.

Speaker 1 (01:00:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:00:13):
So penny candy, he but button candy, the most useless candy.
With pieces of paper stuck on it that has ever
been invented. So that contract was for him to start
in eighteen silent films in three years. He uh, he

(01:00:34):
had just made a movie called Crazy to.

Speaker 1 (01:00:37):
Marry Tell me about it, right, and it was.

Speaker 2 (01:00:43):
Playing in theaters across the country, and he had, uh,
I think he had just finished six feature length films
in seven months.

Speaker 1 (01:00:54):
So fucking imagine.

Speaker 2 (01:00:55):
Yeah, that's bullshit. That's like you make a full on
movie a month. And then he's like, guys, I'm tired,
Let's go on.

Speaker 1 (01:01:02):
Vacation, take a nap.

Speaker 2 (01:01:03):
Bro.

Speaker 1 (01:01:04):
Yeah, so's that was his plan.

Speaker 2 (01:01:05):
So him and two of his friends decide they're going
to drive up to San Francisco to have like a
weekend of fun.

Speaker 1 (01:01:11):
You know how long I'm sorry, how long it would
take to drive to San Francisco Back then?

Speaker 3 (01:01:14):
Oh fu three millions a lot of money. It would
take you fourteen and a half hours to drive to
San Francisco.

Speaker 2 (01:01:20):
Its that like, and there would be no gas non,
you'd have to bring gas with you.

Speaker 1 (01:01:24):
I wind your car up, did they do that? Stolen?
That's right? It would take you twenty nine hours to
get up there.

Speaker 2 (01:01:31):
Twenty wines it would take you so much energy, all right,
So there was no five back then, No, there's no
five for you. You were on that one the whole time. Okay.
In the days leading up to this weekend fatty hour,
Vocal is not in the best of moods because he

(01:01:52):
was having his Pierce Arrow automobile serviced when he sat
down on an acid soaked rag at the garage and
the acid burned, threw his pants to his buttocks, causing
second degree burns.

Speaker 1 (01:02:06):
What the fuckind of acid?

Speaker 2 (01:02:07):
And he I don't know, I get that's something that
they did in the twenties, very common. Acid rags were everywhere.
So he wanted to cancel the trip. But his friend,
what's this guy's name? Al Fishback?

Speaker 1 (01:02:22):
The fuck is his name? Where is it?

Speaker 2 (01:02:25):
Somebody? Fish Back? I'll find it, man said, No, we
got to go. It's gonna be fun. We've already planned it,
whatever we've bought.

Speaker 1 (01:02:33):
My butt is burned and have to sit for twenty
nine hours.

Speaker 2 (01:02:35):
You know what he did, He secured his friend fish Back,
just secured a rubber padded ring for our buckle to
sit on.

Speaker 1 (01:02:42):
Can you secure a fuck yourself for me to sit on?
For me to sit on.

Speaker 2 (01:02:49):
They made the drive up the coast to the San
Francis Hotel in San Francisco.

Speaker 1 (01:02:53):
Is that nice? Have you been there? Very fancy?

Speaker 2 (01:02:55):
Yeah, has the best like lobby. It's the one that's
on Union Square at Christmas time. They have a humongous
Christmas tree and they have a great bar.

Speaker 1 (01:03:06):
I want to go. We should totally go. We're going
to Oaklym. We have no time.

Speaker 2 (01:03:10):
We do not kind of jump on that bart to
go sit in the bar at the San Francis. Three
minutes bye everybody. But it's the kind of place that, like,
I don't know what the style is. I would guess
Art Deco, Georgian, Georgian, but it's the ceilings are so
high and.

Speaker 1 (01:03:26):
It's so gorgeous. Yeah, I love that. Shit goes a
lot of this, So there's still good spot. So that's
where they are.

Speaker 2 (01:03:33):
They've got so they have two rooms that are joined
to a reception suite Jesus so basically party room in
the center, two rooms off the side.

Speaker 1 (01:03:41):
That's what we have books for our trip.

Speaker 2 (01:03:44):
Is that how we're doing it the whole time, okay,
and then we're going to pick people. You can come
to the party suite. You can send the reception room,
but you can't come into this. You have to earn
your way into the suite.

Speaker 1 (01:03:56):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:03:56):
So fish Back arranged everything. Now it's prohibition era, okay,
so there's no legally, there's no liquor. Sure, but San
Francisco is known as an open city, which meant there's
a fucking laquer everywhere.

Speaker 1 (01:04:10):
He cups abound. That's right, Go San Francisco.

Speaker 3 (01:04:13):
Go.

Speaker 1 (01:04:16):
So they had.

Speaker 2 (01:04:18):
Fishback has arranged the liquor to be delivered to the
hotel room. And on Labor Day, September fifth, nineteen twenty one,
Fatty Arbocal awakes to find that there are many uninvited
guests that at least uninvited from him in the reception room.
I'm annoying so and he also has a bunch of
work to do. And I guess he was. He was

(01:04:40):
up there like they were going to have fun. But
he also, I guess had a meeting.

Speaker 1 (01:04:44):
Yeh, So.

Speaker 2 (01:04:47):
He was walking around in his pajamas when he saw that.
Like the basically the first thing that happened was his friends.
It's like, I want to say, al Fishback and there
there's another guy named Low Low lowman.

Speaker 1 (01:05:02):
Or something like that, all and low bushback woman.

Speaker 2 (01:05:07):
So they went out and when they came back, they
were like, we just saw that actress. Uh it was
a woman named Victoria Rapp. And they're like, we just
saw her in the hotel of a different in the
lobby of a different hotel, So we're going to bring
her over here.

Speaker 1 (01:05:26):
And uh so she comes over.

Speaker 2 (01:05:30):
A couple other people, a woman named Maude del Mott
shows up after a little while. Now, mau Delmont had
a very bad reputation. She was known as, uh there's
one guy in this documentary who said she'd basically been
arrested for everything except murder. Wow.

Speaker 1 (01:05:47):
So she was known as a madam.

Speaker 2 (01:05:51):
She was known as a blackmailer. She was she had
been arrested a bunch of time for fraud. This all
sounds awesome, right. She feels like she's in charge of
her fucking destiny, a couple people's destinies. Actually, So she
shows up after I hope I can't see any of
these names anymore. My eyes are going insane.

Speaker 1 (01:06:14):
It's I want to say Victoria.

Speaker 2 (01:06:18):
Anyway, the young pretty actress shows up, Maud shows up
after then a couple other people show up, it turns
into a party. Fati Arical Arbuckle is basically like, I
can't fight this anymore whatever, and he starts drinking too,
So they're all drinking, and at one point one of
his friends who started the party, and Maude Delmont go

(01:06:42):
into one of the adjacent bedroom's bathrooms and they're in
there for a while. And while they're in there and
everybody else is partying, Virginia Rapp, who's been drinking with
everybody and hanging out and having a good time, gets
nauseous and gets feel sick, so she goes into that
adjacent bedroom to go into the bathroom to get sick,

(01:07:04):
but they're in there and they tell her to go
into the other bathroom, so she goes into what is
basically Fatty Arbuckle's bedroom, and she gets sick in that bathroom.

Speaker 1 (01:07:14):
So Fatty Arbuckle.

Speaker 2 (01:07:15):
Realizes he has to go to this meeting, so he
goes in to take a shower to shave and shower
or whatever to get ready for the meeting, and he
finds Virginia on the floor in his bathroom, and he
assumes that she's just drunk and she can't handle her liquor,
and so He gets her up off the floor and
puts her on the bed, and then he goes into
the bathroom, shuts the door. It takes a shower, shaves,

(01:07:37):
takes like ten minutes in there, gets ready, and when
he comes out, he sees that she's gotten sick again
on the bed. So at that point he goes out
into the party and says, heard me, says.

Speaker 1 (01:07:51):
I think this girl is actually really sick.

Speaker 2 (01:07:53):
We should call a doctor or call somebody. So they
call a doctor. A doctor shows up, and a little
while later a female nurse shows up. They you know,
I was gonna say, inspect her. They look at, you know,
give her the once over. What's the word I'm looking?
What are we looking for? Not inspect? Not the ones

(01:08:14):
so not inspect and examine.

Speaker 1 (01:08:17):
They examine her. They examine her.

Speaker 2 (01:08:21):
There's she is not she there's nothing wrong with her physically,
she has no bruises on her, she's not been hurt
in any way. But they see that she has a
very bad fever and she's in a lot of pain,
and she's got the pain is coming from her stomach area,
and so they decide that she should go to a

(01:08:44):
local hospital. So they take her out of there, like
a couple hours go by, I think, and then they
finally they finally get her out of there and they
take her. Eventually they find out that they had taken
her to a maternity hospital. She has was she having
a miss Karen know. What they think is sorry that no,

(01:09:05):
no no. But what they think is that she was
either had she either her appendix burst or her bladder burst.
But they don't know because when the Corner finally got
her body after she died, she dies in this hospital.
She died in the maternity hospital. Her body is brought
back to Los Angeles, I believe, or they did the

(01:09:27):
Corner in San Francisco, but I assume because she was
an actress in Los Angeles.

Speaker 1 (01:09:32):
When the body is inspected by the.

Speaker 2 (01:09:34):
Corner, all of her sex organs have been removed, so
there's nothing to look at.

Speaker 1 (01:09:41):
They don't know. There's no reason for it.

Speaker 2 (01:09:43):
Also, they said bringing a woman who was sick in
this way to the maternity hospital was a super weird decision.
It's not going to get the things she needs exactly
that she should have gone to, like the general hospital.
So she had she basically suffered with whatever her internal
illness was because they all assumed she was drunk. They

(01:10:05):
all just were like, Oh, it's some kind of fluozy
actress from La who is at this.

Speaker 1 (01:10:09):
Like too much, couldn't hold a liquor.

Speaker 2 (01:10:11):
Yeah, with this party that they shouldn't have even have
liquor in the first place, with all these actors and
Hollywood types, these sinful Hollywood types. So basically they don't know.
When they leave San Francisco, Fatty and his friends, they
just know that she was sick and she got taken
to the hospital.

Speaker 1 (01:10:31):
They don't know anything else.

Speaker 2 (01:10:34):
So he gets a call from the San Francisco police saying,
this girl died. Can you come up and answer some questions?
And he's like, of course, So he goes up to
San Francisco to answer some questions, and what he doesn't
know is that Maude du Delmonte had told the police

(01:10:58):
that our Buckle had raped Virginia rap and that she
had that that Maud had heard her screaming in the
other room, that she knocked on the door and when
and kicked on it, And after delay, our Buckle came
to the door in his pajamas wearing wraps, hat cocked

(01:11:18):
at an angle, smiling and behind him rap was sprawled
on the bed and moaning.

Speaker 1 (01:11:24):
And she said that.

Speaker 2 (01:11:28):
Fatty had said to the actress, I've waited for you
for five years.

Speaker 1 (01:11:32):
And now I've got you. So uh.

Speaker 2 (01:11:38):
And then basically she's told the police he did it.
He attacked her, and that because he forced himself on her,
that caused her bladder to burst and that's why she
was in that situation. So uh, Fatty Arbuckles like went

(01:11:58):
up there to be like, yeah, here's what happened. Meanwhile,
there were like a handful of witnesses that witnessed the
first way I told it to you. They all watched
him walk in, like watched her walk into the other room,
come back out, go into the other room by herself,
watched him walk in after her and then come back
out like put her on the bed, come back out

(01:12:19):
like all the doors are open. Also, maud Delmont was
in the bathroom of the other bedroom with the door closed,
fucking his friend. So there's no way she could have
heard her her screaming, and no one else that was
in the middle room closer to her her screaming at all.

Speaker 1 (01:12:38):
And they all attested to that.

Speaker 2 (01:12:41):
But the problem was not only was it prohibition but
the film industry was coming under a lot of scrutiny
because there were and they were showing clips of like
movies where a man looked at a woman's ankle and
they both give each other like the eye. So there's
like this. It was pre Hays code, so it's it's

(01:13:01):
like exactly, So there there's a lot of people in
the country that are like alcohol is of the devil,
and so are movie so silently films, and he's basically
the king of all of it, making a shit ton
of money off of it. So this the district attorney
in San Francisco was a man named Matthew Brady, and

(01:13:22):
he saw this case who it was, what the scenario was,
as the perfect political, uh situation for himself because he
wanted to get in to have a career in politics,
and he knew if he could put Fatty Arbuckle away
as this rapist and basically headlines exactly and also kind

(01:13:43):
of like alcohol was part of it, and that's another reason.

Speaker 1 (01:13:46):
And just like the whole Max was the.

Speaker 3 (01:13:48):
Perfect bottle of alcohol being the fucking murder weapon, the
wine bottle that he supposed.

Speaker 2 (01:13:55):
To oh right, yeah, exactly. That was gossip that actually
came out way later. That didn't that didn't come in,
but him like basically using his body and smashing it,
like smashing her to death. The whole thing was so
it kind of also perfect because he was such when

(01:14:15):
you see his face, it's just.

Speaker 1 (01:14:17):
This big smile. He looks like a big moon face guy.

Speaker 2 (01:14:19):
All of his comedy was really light and cutesy, and
so to be like, oh, this guy's a monster was.

Speaker 1 (01:14:25):
Perfect for all of the tabloid rags.

Speaker 2 (01:14:28):
And William Randolph Hurst had basically had a field day
with this story.

Speaker 1 (01:14:34):
They had just been it. The newspapers that came.

Speaker 2 (01:14:38):
Out about Fatty Arbuckle and this rape and murder sold
more than this.

Speaker 1 (01:14:43):
When this Lucitanius sank.

Speaker 2 (01:14:45):
Cus like it was it. It was the hugest story
and they never stopped. They actually took there was the
Saratrisco Police released a picture of Fatty Arbuckle when they
were like, now you're under arrest, and he was just like, sorry,
what I came up here to answer your questions. So
it's this picture of him standing there just looking completely
like what the fuck? And they took the picture, released it,

(01:15:08):
and that went straight into the tabloids.

Speaker 1 (01:15:10):
And then the next.

Speaker 2 (01:15:11):
Picture they did, they actually early version photoshopped, so it's
him standing there looking off, and they photoshopped bars in
front of him so it looked like a reporter got
in and took a picture of him sitting in jail,
which they never did. So basically they tried and convicted
him in the newspaper, and people couldn't get enough of

(01:15:32):
this story because it was one of the first big
Hollywood scandals. I mean, I think it may have been
the first big Hollywood scandal. And it was so graphic
and so terrible that I mean, that's so Anyway, the
problem was that when they get in to get all
their witnesses and their stories for trial, maug Delmont.

Speaker 1 (01:15:57):
Cannot keep her story straight.

Speaker 2 (01:15:59):
So she had told them it first that she and
Virginia rap were lifelong friends. Then the next time that
they talked to her, she says that they just met
days before the party. Also, they discovered then that she
has this insane criminal record. A lot of people know
her as Madame Black. She had procured women for parties

(01:16:21):
where she knew wealthy male guests would find themselves accused
of rape and blackmailed, blackmailed into paying her, So that
was basically her whole thing that she did stick. And
yet then there was the matter of the fact that
there were telegrams that she had sent to attorneys in
both San Diego and Los Angeles that read, we have

(01:16:43):
Roscoe Arbuckle in a hole here, chance to make some
money out of him?

Speaker 1 (01:16:49):
Holy shit.

Speaker 2 (01:16:50):
Yeah, But even though he knew he knew those facts,
he still took the case to trial. And those newspapers
never questioned Delmont's version of the events or ever talked
about her background or how what an unreliable witness she was.
They just went after him relentlessly, and Buster Keaton and

(01:17:14):
Charlie Chaplin vouched for his character and tried to speak
out for him, but it was too late, and his
reputation was in shambles. Also, Fatty Arbuckle's lawyers introduced medical
evidence showing that Rap had had a chronic bladder condition,
and her autopsy concluded that there were no marks of

(01:17:35):
violence on her body. There were no signs that she
had been attacked in any way. But the defense wouldn't let, sorry,
the prosecution wouldn't let the doctor who had treated Rap
at the hotel testify because she had told the doctor

(01:17:55):
that Fatty Arbuckle had not tried to sexually assault her,
but the prosecutor got that point dismissed as hearsay.

Speaker 1 (01:18:03):
So that was not sorry. Yeah, so that didn't get
in at all.

Speaker 2 (01:18:10):
And meanwhile, the defense was going to call witnesses that
had damaging information about for junior Raps past, and Fatty
Arbuckle would not let them testify out of respect for
the dead, he said. So he took the stand in
his own defense and jurors voted ten to two.

Speaker 1 (01:18:29):
For his acquittal.

Speaker 2 (01:18:31):
Wow, to two, right, So there were two people that
were holding out, And so then the prosecution tried him
a second time. The jury deadlocked again, and it wasn't
until his third trial that Fatty Arbuckle allowed his attorneys
to call the witnesses who had known Rap to the stand.
And that was only because his funds were depleted. He

(01:18:53):
had spent seven hundred thousand dollars on his defense.

Speaker 1 (01:18:57):
His career was dead.

Speaker 2 (01:18:59):
They testified that Rapp had suffered previous abdominal attack, drank heavily,
often disrobed at parties after doing so, was promiscuous, and
had an illegitimate daughter, which.

Speaker 3 (01:19:13):
None of which is none of which is only the
first one is relevant.

Speaker 2 (01:19:18):
The drinking and the abdominal attack or was relevant, but
at that point they were like, it's a character assassination
and just attack. One of them also attacked maud Delmont
as the complaining witness that never witnessed, So they're basically
up there saying that woman saw nothing, and yet she
was your main witness. But those were the only people

(01:19:39):
that could say that, and he hadn't let them say
it up until that point. So on April twelfth, nineteen
twenty two, the jury acquitted our Buckle of manslaughter and
after deliberating for five.

Speaker 1 (01:19:50):
Minutes, Jesus, oh that poor dude. Yeah, poor woman, which after.

Speaker 2 (01:19:56):
A week later Will Hayes, for whom the motion picture
industry hired as a censor to restore its image because
this was such a huge scandal that, like the entire
motion picture industry, was rocked, and Will Hayes banned Fatty
Arbuckle from ever appearing on screen again. He would change

(01:20:19):
his mind eight months later, but the damage had already
been done, and our Buckle changed his name to William B.
Goodrich or will be good and he worked behind the
scenes directing films for friends who were made loyal to him,
barely earning a living in the only business he had
ever known, and a little more than ten years later,
in nineteen thirty three, he had a heart attack and

(01:20:41):
died in his hotel room.

Speaker 1 (01:20:42):
He was forty six.

Speaker 3 (01:20:44):
Holy fuck, yeah, wow, Yeah, that's really fucking depressing. I
didn't know. It was like there was so much evidence
that he hadn't done it. I know, it's weird, like
no one talks about that.

Speaker 1 (01:21:00):
Well.

Speaker 2 (01:21:01):
I think it's like why that guy was all fired
up at the beginning of that special, But then when
you actually hear it, it's that thing that makes perfect
sense because it's like the early days of like getting
people over a barrel and blackmailing it and.

Speaker 1 (01:21:14):
The laws and all this crap. It makes me, you know,
it makes me sad.

Speaker 3 (01:21:20):
I feel like if Virginia had lived, she would have
fucking blown this off so much and been like this never.
You know, it's like sad when it's like you're not
doing justice for the victim. You're just it's not you're
not helping the victim by accusing fat they Arbuckle of
doing this.

Speaker 1 (01:21:36):
Yeah, it has nothing to do with the victims.

Speaker 2 (01:21:38):
She's just taking advantage of like a horrible scenario.

Speaker 1 (01:21:41):
It's just bullshit at that point.

Speaker 2 (01:21:43):
And also the idea that that woman was even invited
to that party when she's like a known criminal, and
that she was then in the bathroom sucking his other friend.
In my mind, it's like I think there's and I
bet you if I did one hour more research, there's
probably a lot of information about it.

Speaker 1 (01:22:02):
But there's probably a really.

Speaker 2 (01:22:03):
Good chance he was getting set up if he was
like making the most amount of money in show business.

Speaker 1 (01:22:08):
It sounds like that's what she did.

Speaker 2 (01:22:10):
Well, it's what she did definitely, but like somebody probably
had it out for him, yeah, and wanted to bring
him down specifically for some reason.

Speaker 3 (01:22:18):
Was it his friend who insisted that he comes with
him to San Francisco? Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (01:22:22):
Oh I get it. Can you spell that for me?
Fishboum fish bounce? So what happened to him? What a dick? Wow?
I was fucked up man.

Speaker 2 (01:22:33):
Yeah, Yeah, it's another fucked up one.

Speaker 3 (01:22:38):
Do we have a good thing this week? Do you
see that thing right there? Room ba, that's my good
thing this week. It's the best thing that's ever happened. No,
it's great. I'm serious. We talk about it. It's a
room by it's a vacuum that you and your cats
follow around my house and just watch and cheer on.

Speaker 2 (01:23:02):
So what you just said it and it just vacuums
while you do other stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:23:06):
Or while you following around and watch it. How long
does it take?

Speaker 3 (01:23:10):
However long you want? You said it and forget it.
I'm serious. It's like and it gets all this cat
hair and we all follow it around. That's great. Wow,
I know what about you. I'm just staring at this room,
that room of the whole time, not like actively staring
at it, but lovingly gazing at it.

Speaker 2 (01:23:31):
What. Oh well, I think I told you this personally,
but or maybe I talked about it. I can't remember.
But I went to see the Zodiac? Did I talk
about that on a miniso? No?

Speaker 3 (01:23:42):
You talk about to me at lunch yesterday. Okay, that's good, good, okay.

Speaker 2 (01:23:46):
So sin a Family, which is the movie theater in
town that shows rad things often and that I love
and need to rejoin. I was a member for a
year and then I was like, I never go to
the movies, Like why am I doing this? And then
it's like, oh, because support keep businesses open that do shit.

Speaker 1 (01:24:03):
That's awesome.

Speaker 2 (01:24:04):
And that's a perfect example because it's so cheap to
be a member and then they do things like this,
which is they reap. They did a special showing of
the movie Zodiac, so cool and it is the best movie.
I keep thinking about it because when you see it
in the theater, like the sound was really good and
that theater.

Speaker 1 (01:24:23):
Is really small.

Speaker 2 (01:24:25):
Used that movie that theater used to be called the
Silent Movie Theater, which is kind of hilarious.

Speaker 1 (01:24:29):
Yet fucking shot and killed in.

Speaker 2 (01:24:31):
Yes, did I ever tell you that story that they
did a benefit at Largo for the for the guy.
It was two It was a gay couple that ran
the Silent Theater and one got.

Speaker 1 (01:24:44):
Shot by an ex employee. Right, well, they did this benefit.

Speaker 2 (01:24:49):
They raised money for the guy that that was still alive,
and then that guy got arrested because it was he
had his lover murdered.

Speaker 1 (01:24:57):
Huh okay, oops U back. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:25:02):
I love that story because Flan Again and John Brian
they were down the street at Largo and they were like,
oh my god, this terrible thing happened this man.

Speaker 1 (01:25:09):
We have to raise money and they.

Speaker 2 (01:25:11):
Did this whole huge like they kept talking about it
on all the shows, and they did all these special
shows to raise money for the silent movie theater guy
who was the criminal in the first place. Anyway, if
you get a chance, and I don't know how, you would,
to see the movie Zodiac on the big screen.

Speaker 1 (01:25:29):
It is so it's such a perfect movie. Yeah, I
haven't seen it in so long, but it's a great movie.
It's so good. That's awesome. Yeah, Yeah, that was super fun.

Speaker 3 (01:25:39):
Follow us on things, Steven ray Mars the percast. Thank
you for being our guide through this fucking trippy and
stay sexy and don't get murdered.

Speaker 2 (01:25:54):
Bye.

Speaker 1 (01:25:56):
Elvis, you want to cookie? Mimi? Mm hmmm, oh, I
think that's the new one. Elvis, do you want a cookie?

Speaker 4 (01:26:06):
Wo