70 - Live at the Moontower Comedy Festival

It's a new My Favorite Murder, live from Austin, Texas! Karen and Georgia cover the infamous Yogurt Shop Murders and America's 'first' serial killer, the Servant Girl Annihilator.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:22):
Hi, Austin. Oh my god, me too.

Speaker 2 (00:35):
Just do that for a little longer. I'm trying to
finish my mint. You don't mind.

Speaker 1 (00:42):
They love it.

Speaker 3 (00:44):
They love it. Spit it over there. What's up, Texas?
Remind me here? I wore my cowboy boots for you guys.
You go up walk those things around. Ben said, oh yeah, yeah, yeah,

(01:06):
they're not learning scared. Ben said that they're culturally appropriating. Yes,
I'm culturally appropriating.

Speaker 2 (01:16):
You're This is definitely a problematic way to start the show,
for sure.

Speaker 3 (01:20):
Is And I also wore my hair closer to god.
I guess that's yeah. They love that. See I know
how to panda? Yeah yeah, what about what are you
wearing tonight?

Speaker 2 (01:34):
I'm wearing a dress that's a little too tight, and
so it's got I've got like a reverse bank situation
where kind of like you can't tell if it's a
big stomach or a flop of material, and neither can I.
I'm not sure what's happening down here, and I don't
care anymore.

Speaker 3 (01:54):
Show everyone, you're fancy eggs.

Speaker 2 (02:00):
I really wanted to put my microphone next to that microphone.
Do you know how much the sound guy would hate
me if I did that, just like, what do you think?

Speaker 3 (02:08):
Oh, no, so obnoxious. This place is haunted. I heard Stephen.
Is that Stephen sent us this long text that I
got after like we got off the plane, and it
was like it was like the fact, like the history
of this place, and here are all the ghosts.

Speaker 2 (02:23):
There's a project there's a projectionist that works here. When
this was a movie theater and he died while showing Casablanca,
which everyone thinks is beautiful because he died doing what
he loved.

Speaker 3 (02:35):
I agree. I didn't mean to stay. I didn't mean
to say it like that.

Speaker 2 (02:38):
That sounded argumentative and bizarre, so stupid you guys think
that's nice.

Speaker 3 (02:45):
What you don't know is, okay, I was going to
tell you on stage that saving it for this. Yeah,
So Vince and I were on the airplanes today and
I couldn't like get into Wi Fi. So he was
like over as a husband will do, and it's like,
let me figure this out, and so he like figures
all the stuff out and then it goes to click
on a website just to see if it's working, and

(03:07):
he pulls down my favorites page. But you know, most
people are like Facebook and Twitter and like Craigslist or whatever,
the normal things are yep, And and then he stares
at it for a minute and he goes, are these
all serial killers?

Speaker 2 (03:23):
And I was just like yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (03:25):
And then we moved on and that was.

Speaker 2 (03:27):
A serial killers are my Google? That's all I was given.

Speaker 3 (03:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (03:34):
I had a kind of a fascinating thing happened. First
of all, I was the last person on the plane.

Speaker 3 (03:39):
Oh my god, you give me a panic attack. It's
I know, it's uh. That's how different George and I are.

Speaker 2 (03:45):
I was standing in secure the security line, like, oh,
this sucks, and George's like text, text X.

Speaker 3 (03:51):
I'm on the plane. Where are you? So I walked
right on last.

Speaker 2 (03:59):
Oh, a guy who looked like he was it could
have been I mean, he was on his way to
the city. But I was like, is he coming to
our festival? He was really big and had a ton
of tattoos.

Speaker 3 (04:12):
And many on his neck. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (04:16):
My friend used to call those the job stoppers.

Speaker 3 (04:20):
Just something to consider.

Speaker 2 (04:23):
But these guys look like they look like they were
at a band of Like it could have been Lincoln Park.
I'm not sure I'm really old. I'm incredibly old, but
I mean.

Speaker 3 (04:30):
He didn't have like tattoos that are like oh, he's
like he just like pays one of money and gets tattooed,
Like they look like prison tattoos. They look like.

Speaker 2 (04:37):
Defensive maneuvers, the way a cuddlefish changes into a different
thing in the ocean.

Speaker 3 (04:43):
They'll be like, don't get me. Yeah, he's really like.

Speaker 2 (04:47):
Beware of me. I'm very scary. Well he stands up
and he's like, I gotta get off this plane, and
he fucking takes off.

Speaker 3 (04:55):
He had to go.

Speaker 2 (04:56):
He couldn't handle flying the plane. I think he may
have had a teardrop tattoo, but he couldn't had three
hour flight was not going to happen in his.

Speaker 3 (05:06):
Life, just like he was panicking. Yeah, I know that's sweet.
You should have cradled him the whole flight. Could you
come down here a second. You're gonna love this. I'll
hold your hand.

Speaker 2 (05:19):
I know it's a weird time for you, and it's
probably very shaming to be a very large, mean looking
man that's literally like, give me off this plane right now.

Speaker 3 (05:28):
Best to buy a panic attack. Yeah, that's a bummer.
I mean I've had it. I've had an on a plane.

Speaker 2 (05:34):
I've actually had a seizure on a plane. No bag,
no bro, No, it's pretty cool.

Speaker 4 (05:40):
I was.

Speaker 3 (05:42):
I had been bumped up.

Speaker 2 (05:43):
To first class because they screwed up my ticket, and
I was flying home from England. Oh my god, and
I was sitting next to I was sitting next to
this man who was like he was like a silver
fox and he had like really expensive clothes on from
what I could tell, like not Target, and it's like
I wanted to touch it. And he was like kind

(06:06):
of being charming and.

Speaker 3 (06:07):
Talking to me.

Speaker 2 (06:08):
And I had the thought in my head of like,
why can't I have a sugar daddy, Why can't I
be one of those girls. I would be the I
would be the best kind because you wouldn't see it coming.
It'd be like, oh, is that your assistant, and be like, yeah,
that's my assistant. I had this whole fantasy in my
mind of how we were going.

Speaker 3 (06:26):
To do it. But then I had a seizure and
that's the worst possible.

Speaker 2 (06:34):
It was then yeah, not cool, Like it's not how
you want a guy to see you foaming at the
mouth with blue lips. The last thing I heard was him,
go excuse me. I think this young lady needs help,
like he was already.

Speaker 3 (06:49):
It's like we were.

Speaker 2 (06:50):
No longer even close anymore.

Speaker 3 (06:52):
He was immediately distancing.

Speaker 2 (06:54):
Himself from me just because I was having a seizure
like a common drug addict on a plane.

Speaker 3 (07:01):
That's oh, oh that makes me that's scary.

Speaker 2 (07:04):
I know.

Speaker 3 (07:05):
Sorry, I just dug that one up from deep, deep
down inside. I've only died in a normal throwing up
thing on a plane before, like everyone here has probably right,
Uh nope, just me.

Speaker 2 (07:19):
Well, I think they have some questions like I do.
Was it in the aisle or in the bathroom?

Speaker 3 (07:22):
No? No, no, it was in a receptacle like not
it where in your lap? Though?

Speaker 2 (07:27):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (07:28):
I don't?

Speaker 3 (07:29):
Yeah, say yes, what into one of them bags? Yeah?
For you use a barf bag? Yeah? Are you from
nineteen fifty five? This is amazing. Yeah, that happened. That's
in therefore though, right, No, totally sorry, the tone is wrong.

Speaker 2 (07:49):
I'm a little nervous, so everything I'm saying isn't how
I mean it.

Speaker 3 (07:53):
It's all coming out super weird.

Speaker 2 (07:55):
But did you have to This is a question I've
always had because it's barf.

Speaker 3 (07:59):
I mean, it just comes out.

Speaker 2 (08:01):
So do you like make your own thing at the
top so it doesn't come out the side.

Speaker 3 (08:06):
Yeah, hopefully it won't be like overflowing. You don't have
to grab your neighbors, right, but then they have like
it's like you're at like the grocery store getting vegetables
and it has a little like twist time. No, it's
like it's like a bag of cookies from Trader Joe's
or something. Oh, I don't want to eat your solid once.
I'm just gonna wrap it down. But it is size.
I'm a good I'm a like good controlled barfer though,

(08:28):
so like it was fine, yeah real oh from practice,
well yeah yeah, eating.

Speaker 2 (08:36):
Disorders with junior cope of therapy very difficult. Time, got
real deep, real quick. God, I wish i'd I knowing
that about you. Cool lots of anorexics in house tonight
and Billimix.

Speaker 1 (08:55):
Hey.

Speaker 2 (08:56):
I actually had my dentist when I was in college.
My dentist who doctor Brown, Who's my dentist all my
life since I was a baby.

Speaker 3 (09:05):
And I was like baby teeth, baby tea.

Speaker 2 (09:09):
I opened my mouth and this is probably sophomore year
in college, and he goes, oh, no, are you vomiting? Oh,
doctor Brown? And I were the only ones that knew.
I was like, it's still not working, doctor Brown. This
isn't the diet they promised it would be. He was like,
don't drink fifty beers every night, Karen. I was like, sorry,

(09:31):
I have no control over that part, doctor Brown.

Speaker 3 (09:34):
None of this is real.

Speaker 2 (09:35):
None of that part of the conversation happened.

Speaker 3 (09:39):
It's called ad libbing. We love it, we love it. Thanks.

Speaker 2 (09:47):
What a What a historic place to perform in that
gorgeous song that I too, I mean so much.

Speaker 3 (09:56):
And what a historic place to talk about barfing. It's
pretty beautiful. This is the most beautiful place I've ever
talked about barfing before.

Speaker 2 (10:05):
Now I want to see you do it myself. I
have to say. I'll let you know next time. It's
some going on this tour. I want to see it.

Speaker 3 (10:11):
Okay, I had red wat too much red wine? You know,
ooh sort of thing that would be a bad one.
I know, because that's going to stain me as well
as you. Wow. Yeah, this is clearly my favorite murder. Hi. Hi, Yeah,
I'm a little nervous about this show. I don't know why.

Speaker 2 (10:33):
Because Austin's cool people. Austin's cool people. You know that
it's comedy people. It's very important. Yeah, it's also Texas.
You guys have been showing up for this podcast since day.

Speaker 3 (10:48):
One, like big time. Thank you. Yeah. I feel like
when we were in New York and I was like
this is big at the weekend, I do the same
way where it's like, oh my god, don't make them.
You on this moment where it's all click click click.
I saw him live. That was it.

Speaker 2 (11:07):
I got it out of my system. Oh no, it
happens sometimes. Yeah, we'll think of something else, we'll make
croissants or something.

Speaker 3 (11:14):
It'll be fine. We'll be fine. Oh we got cookies
backstage too. Oh yeah, thanks for the cookies. Yeah, they're
so pretty. We love them. No, should be very good stage.

Speaker 2 (11:26):
Somebody with who clearly studied theater was like, you're welcome.

Speaker 3 (11:31):
I used my diaphragm project your voice. There you go,
there you go.

Speaker 2 (11:40):
Do you know you want to know a trick about
song performance? Yes, this is one of the only things
I learned in college, and because I took a class
it was stage performance for musical theater singing stage performance.

Speaker 3 (11:55):
They got the musical theater crowd. I heard.

Speaker 2 (11:59):
What up nerds, so you guys already know this, so
don't go get bored as I tell you this.

Speaker 3 (12:06):
But as people in musical.

Speaker 2 (12:08):
Sing, you just always have your arm going in a
different direction.

Speaker 3 (12:11):
Oh yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (12:13):
And the thing is if, like, if you're going to
sing about the horizon, you don't point to the horizon.
You like, sing about the horizon, but you point down there,
and then suddenly you're like, oh my god, I love that.

Speaker 3 (12:22):
Is it because someone's gonna you point the horizon and
the people are going to be like, where's the horizon?
Is there a horizon in here? Really a horizon? Okay?

Speaker 2 (12:30):
So it's just really just kind of go opposite of
what you're talking about, and it creates a bit of
a cognitive dissonance in the mind, and then the performance
seems more important than it actually is and you're not
just singing about Oklahoma.

Speaker 3 (12:46):
I get it. Wow, that's really great. Thank you. I
also need to learn how to sing and not just
hurt people's ears when I sing. But but I'll do
it this while I'm doing it, just give it a whirl. Yeah,
it will next time at karaoke. Okay, is Stephen under here? No,
Steven's at home watching my cats. And he keeps sending

(13:07):
me the cutest photos, like really cute photos.

Speaker 2 (13:12):
I feel like, if there's anyone that was ever born
to be a cat, it's Steven Ray Morris.

Speaker 3 (13:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (13:18):
Like if you don't know him, and maybe some of
you don't, or you're like, who's this guy, it's just
if you picture cats sitter in your mind just as
fast as you can.

Speaker 3 (13:27):
That's him out a mustache boom. It's so funny because
sometimes I get depressed when I'm on the like when
we're out touring, because I miss my cats and I'm like,
are they okay? I don't know if they're feeding them?
And I wonder if he misses me, you know, yeah
at the bar, I trink too much red wine to
forget it. But like knowing Steven's there, like I barely
thought about them. No, I'm just like, no, they're actually

(13:50):
they like him a little better than me. Yeah, he
and he loves them more. He loves them way more
than I love, you know. And he just just taking
so many selfies with the cats. And I gave my
Instagram cat my cat Instagram password. Whoa, I'm just like,
go crazy, dude, that's real commitment. Got me some.

Speaker 2 (14:06):
Followers with work at Steven work it.

Speaker 3 (14:09):
Let's get it together.

Speaker 2 (14:11):
Yeah, let's hear it for Stephen Ray Morris.

Speaker 3 (14:13):
He makes it. He makes it all happen. We recently
got asked if we were really as mean to him
in real life as we are in the podcast.

Speaker 2 (14:23):
We are, but it doesn't matter because now he gets
anything that we get sent. They people send things to
Steven now too. Yeah, so he's just he's on the bandwagon.
I think the dream is to start making enough money
that Stephen not only is able to come on tour
with us, but he is lowered down on a half
moon at the top.

Speaker 3 (14:44):
Of the show. Wouldn't that be good?

Speaker 2 (14:46):
Oh my god, holding a live hairless cat.

Speaker 3 (14:49):
Oh my god, immediately that needs to happen to me. Yeah,
should we sit down? Look at these nice seats.

Speaker 2 (14:56):
I know these are some good young I think these
are kind of the nicest ones we I've had in
a while.

Speaker 3 (15:00):
Yeah, it looks like I'm gonna do this though.

Speaker 2 (15:04):
Last time I really felt like something rated like NC
seventeen was happening Oh no, while I was on stage.
So I just like to do a little less of
the direct, Like you didn't pay extra for those seats.

Speaker 3 (15:16):
Did you you don't get to have that? Everyone look
away real quick. Oh there we go. These might be
more form than function. All right, how's that? Did you
hear that? I do? You can make it fart far
fee so it feels a little unstable, like you know

(15:37):
what I mean? So one of us might fall. Someone
in the back that works heres crying. They're like, those
are my good stools. I thought they would love them.

Speaker 2 (15:49):
I'm just like, yeah, it's just a lim Oh this
is perfect.

Speaker 3 (15:54):
I'll sit like this.

Speaker 2 (15:56):
A three quarter and then when I tell my murder,
I'll just do.

Speaker 3 (15:59):
This and I'll do that, and I'll do this, and
then down I'll do this, And I just want to
like you.

Speaker 2 (16:06):
You're gonna share and stone this thing. I thought that's
what I thought. That's what you were doing. I didn't
mean to put you in a bad place.

Speaker 3 (16:14):
No, I mean no, I might as well so I
can't sing and you don't want to see my underwear.
Those are the two. Those are my two rules.

Speaker 2 (16:23):
Yeah, in life, you've got to have at least two rules.
When you go on stage, and not showing people you're
underwear should maybe should be in there if that's your thing.

Speaker 3 (16:33):
Sure, probably if you're a podcaster, right right, Yeah, because man,
I don't spend enough money on laingerie because who cares?
Who's gonna target again? Bought mine from Target, not like
rich people.

Speaker 2 (16:47):
I mean, look, it works, Target works, and so we
work it. Yeah, I mean I need to get look,
I need to get eye drops, bananas and a brand
new coat.

Speaker 3 (16:58):
Where am I gonna go? I'm fucking going to Target?
Should we do our murders? You want to I guys
want to do murder? You want to hear?

Speaker 2 (17:09):
So now I'm ready.

Speaker 3 (17:16):
Well, Karen, let me tell you what to you a murder?
That was cool. It's like when you get your haircut.
So just you and you're like, why though, why come
come back? Are you staying there? I don't want to
be emphasized. I was okay, Yeah, So how do we boom?

Speaker 2 (17:37):
Uh?

Speaker 3 (17:37):
Oh boom? Yeah, part where I break my own nose.
We just got too a little. You can tell I've
worked at an office for like ten years because I
know how to boot boop these chairs perfectly. Oh you
did it real subtle? What you mean you did? Little booboo?
Yeah boop? Nice good work.

Speaker 2 (17:53):
I'm new to chairs. This is the listening arm.

Speaker 3 (18:03):
Yes, oh interesting, okay, I'm first, right, you're first at
this time? Yeah, okay, right now.

Speaker 1 (18:12):
Thank you?

Speaker 3 (18:13):
Right, okay, I can see I don't want to. Oh
oh oh, you start reading mine? Stop it. Georgia always
knows that.

Speaker 2 (18:20):
Anytime her paper is a face up near me backstage,
and I go and like anywhere near, she'll go, don't
read it, and I'm like, I am blind. I can't
see anything.

Speaker 3 (18:30):
With no glasses on. I just love when it's a surprise.
I don't know why. It's like, doesn't make a difference,
but I love it. It's our thing. It's our thing,
just like the underwear rule. It's ours, ours and ours alone. Okay.
And one of the other reasons I'm nervous is because
this murder. Like when we knew we're coming to Austin, I,
like a baby brat, said I get this one, like

(18:51):
called it to Karen so hard and she was like,
go ahead. And then I took it on and I
was like, this is hard. Uh shit, I know what
were you? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (19:02):
Wait, is this the one you told me you weren't
going to do?

Speaker 3 (19:04):
I said I was going to do it, and then
I said, never mind, I'm not doing it, and then
I did it, and now you're about to do it.
I know I'm doing it. Okay, this is this is
the yogurt shop right now. We've got to figure out a.

Speaker 2 (19:26):
Way to explain to people who like work here or
might just be passing through the room accidentally, what that
moment is about. Yeah, because it's not what it seems.
It's not what it appears.

Speaker 3 (19:39):
That's a good point. Yeah, and whatever, we'll worry about it.
It'll say, there may be cheering for murders.

Speaker 2 (19:46):
But it's not that exactly that. It's not really that.

Speaker 3 (19:50):
Yeah, but we don't okay, Yeah, whatever, not our problem. Okay.
So in Austin, Texas the early nineties, it's still a
relatively small college town feel where violent crime was fairly rare.
And that all changed on December sixth, nineteen ninety one,
when thirteen year old Amy Ayre's fifteen year old Sarah

(20:14):
Harrison when they went to I can't believe it's yogurt
in a strip mall. It's like a really unfortunate name. No, listen.

Speaker 2 (20:23):
I wanted to laugh too, but I'm a professional, so
I didn't.

Speaker 3 (20:27):
But I heard a snicker and then I was like
do we do that. Well, there's a whole run of yogurt.
We could just visit this for one second.

Speaker 4 (20:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (20:35):
Yeah. In nineties, in the eighties and nineties, frozen yogurt
was like.

Speaker 2 (20:40):
The penicillin of America. It came so hard for us,
and we all bought it, talked one hundred percent. Were
like in my mind, I was like, well, this is
this is a diet. I'm going to eat this only
it's yogurt.

Speaker 3 (20:55):
Yeah, and this.

Speaker 2 (20:56):
Is and now I'm going to have like Joan Hughes
high school experience.

Speaker 3 (21:01):
I didn't turn out that way now, but I still love.
I would get carib chips on mine because oh, hippie,
you are a big hippie. You aren't a big hippie.

Speaker 2 (21:09):
But the name's also so there was I can't believe
it's not yogurt.

Speaker 3 (21:13):
It, I can't believe it's yogurt. I can't believe it's yogurt.
I had one across stre at my house called frogun Yoser.
It's just like you just can't name it, like my
my frozen yogurt.

Speaker 2 (21:24):
I worked in one in high school called how Sweet
it is Gotta But then it was almost like a
subtitle of we have yoga frus.

Speaker 3 (21:33):
You'd think that, since I love puns so much, i'd
love like a play on a name. But yes, you know,
sometimes it's it's got to be simple.

Speaker 2 (21:39):
There's also the Country's Best yogurt, which if it's a chain,
how can that be?

Speaker 3 (21:44):
But let's not argue right now. Is it a franchise
or no? Okay, I can't believe it's yogurt in a
strip mall off West Anderson Lane to visit Sarah's seventeen
year old sister Jennifer and their friend Eliza Thomas, also seventeen,
as they closed up the shop around eleven pm. Remember
when you could just work at places by yourself until

(22:05):
eleven pm? Sure, just like hanging out closing shops by yourself.

Speaker 2 (22:09):
I totally, Hey, I'm a sophomore, of course I can
do this business. Course I should all the keys and
work the safe.

Speaker 3 (22:15):
Totally. Yeah, that's definitely something perfect sense. Well, so the
girls were gonna have a sleepover afterwards, so Amy and
Sarah came by to help.

Speaker 2 (22:24):
What just that they're like closing a business and then
going to a sleepover.

Speaker 3 (22:28):
That should be the Hey, like half of them can't drive,
and then they're so they're helping to close up, which
is so sweet. They're like, we'll help you mop so
we can go hang out sooner and so. So this
was close to eleven PM when Amy and Sarah showed up,
and let's cut to midnight. About an hour later, after

(22:49):
the closed sign had been turned, the front door was locked,
and the man who owned the shop next door called
party House, spotted flames and smoke and called the fire department.
Let's do the first picture, please. That's I can't believe
it's yogurt exclamation mark fucked up right.

Speaker 2 (23:10):
I mean we really couldn't believe it was yogurt at
the time, and it just was tasted so much like
ice cream.

Speaker 3 (23:17):
It was like, am I a dairy queen? This is insane.
My life is so much better now, and yogurt's healthy.
I eat it all the time.

Speaker 2 (23:24):
And you're a hippie, I mean all these things.

Speaker 3 (23:27):
That's such a nineties crime scene photo. Yeah, it's like
such a bummer.

Speaker 2 (23:33):
It should have like the digital date down to the bottom,
like your mom took the picture with her camera.

Speaker 3 (23:38):
Oh this is okay. I think what's so crazy about
it is that this is a really like almost suburban area,
and this like the strip malls and like it's pretty
safe and you don't normally see seventeen fire trucks at
a spot, so I think everyone knew something was up. Yeah, okay,
you can take that off. Thanks, burn it. I didn't

(24:03):
mean it like that. I didn't. Sorry, no, no, that
does not count against me this time.

Speaker 2 (24:10):
I did that gout that Stephen that never happened in reality.

Speaker 3 (24:16):
Fuck. Sorry, Okay, you can take it down, because I
want everyone staring at me and not that horrible photo. No,
today's the day she turns into a deva. I've been
waiting till Austin don't really come out. And that's right.

(24:36):
I hate you all. No, I love you well. Or
we can leave it up. As they worked to put
out the flames, the building was of course trampled by
many firefighters because I thoughtought it was just a fire.
And then one of the firefighters went in the back
door spotted a human foot inside the back door of

(24:57):
the storage room, like sticking out, and then shortly after
that they realized what was going on. The bodies of Sarah, Jennifer,
and Eliza were all found together in the storage area.
They had all been stripped. This is they've all been
stripped and two were bound and three girls were shot
in the back, and the three girls were shot in
the back of the heads with twenty two calibers. Eliza

(25:18):
and Sarah had been stacked upon each other and Jennifer
was lying next to them, possibly having been moved by
the high powered fire hoses that had swept the scene.
And then thirteen year old Amy was found a few
minutes later, lying alone. She was barely alive, and she
was near the bathrooms. She had been initially shot with
the twenty two as well, but had survived that and

(25:40):
was shot again with a thirty eight, and she died
shortly after. Some of the girls had been raped, but
it would be years before DNA testing would become available,
so investigators concluded that the fire was set to cover
up the crime, and the culprits had drenched tyrophonne cups
with lighter fluid and set them on fire. There was

(26:02):
about five hundred and forty dollars missing from the register,
but investigators didn't think the motive was robbery because there
was also a bank bag underneath the cash register and
it had money in it and nobody took it so
I've been reading the book Who Killed These Girls by
Beverly Lowry, which is a new book of simply about
this crime. It's really good and don't read it before

(26:22):
you go to bed. And so she says that some
of the shortcomings of the lesson experienced Austin PD. They
talk about that a lot fire and water damage, the
lack of mode, of multiple victims, the amount of people
trapesing through the scene. All should have been handled by
investigators who had experience in these kind of crime scenes,

(26:43):
but they weren't because Austin at the time didn't have that.

Speaker 2 (26:46):
Well, so when you think it's a fire, you're not
treating it like a crime scene. No, that's the exact
opposite of how you had treated a crime scene.

Speaker 3 (26:53):
Right, But as soon as that, like, as soon as
that happened, it should have been locked down. They should
have gotten someone in who was you know. But anyways,
the bodies weren't swamp for traces of an accelerant, the
bathrooms weren't dusted for fingerprints, the trash bags weren't comb through.
The metal shelves and mops that were next to the
girls when the fire started somehow ended up in the
alley and then they disappeared, most likely taken to the dump.

(27:17):
So that's what happened during the investigation. Daryl Croft, who
seems like a badass, he was a former cop who
ran a security company now and he had been in
the yogurt shop around ten o'clock that evening buying yogurt,
and while he was there, he told investigators that he
was approached by a man wearing a military fatigue style

(27:39):
jacket and he was telling the other customers to go
ahead of him for some reason, and he asked Daryl
if he was a cop because he saw his car
that had lights, the security lights on it. And when
he said no, he offered Daryl to go ahead of him,
and I think, like a normal text and man, he
was like, no, you know, like gruffs go ahead kind

(28:00):
of a thing. So then the man, so Daryl said
that when the man did go to the counter in
front of him, he ordered only a can of soda,
and then after he paid, he moved around the counter
and went to the back of the store. And when
Darryl asked where he'd gone, Eliza told him that she'd
allowed him to go to the back to use the bathroom.
So she didn't know him. Daryl hung around that for

(28:21):
a counter for a few minutes to see if the
man ever returned, but he didn't. He stayed in the
back and then Daryl said there was just something that
didn't feel right, and when the man just didn't return,
Daryl left the store. That was around ten pm. He's
got to have some guilt, you know, I mean, what's it? Yeah, oh,
I didn't know what was what's everyone doing?

Speaker 2 (28:42):
There was a hubub Well also, that's the thing of
if he stays in the store and now he's the
weird guy in this totally.

Speaker 3 (28:48):
I mean, but I think he knew them, the girls,
Oh he did. Like small town, he knew them even weirder. Well, yeah,
he also he went to the he knew them for
the gym, so that would be weird too. Yeah, yeah,
fair enough. There was also a couple, an older couple
that visited the store closer to closing time than Darryl
on the same night of the murders. They saw the

(29:09):
two men. They saw two men sitting in a booth
acting strangely. The woman said that they made her uncomfortable.
The couple left around ten forty five as the girls
began to close up shop. They closed at eleven, and
they left the two men alone in the shop. So
the policy of the store was to lock the door
ten minutes before actual closing time, but you leave the

(29:31):
key in the lock, so everyone who's finishing up you
can just easily let them out. But nobody knew could
come in, so the door is locked. So these two
creepy dudes were the last customers in the store last
night that night, and about an hour later the fire
was first noticed, So that's okay. Eight days after the murder, however, Jennifer,

(29:53):
Eliza Amy and sorry. Eight days after the murders, investigators
picked up a six teen year old kid named Maurice
Pierce than North Cross Mall, which is just a couple
of blocks from the crime scene. He was carrying a
twenty two caliber handgun. During questioning, he said that he'd
lent the gun to a friend Forrest Welburn, who was fifteen,

(30:15):
and that they'd use it to commit the Yogurt shot murders,
and Welborne denied any involvement, but told investigators that he
and Pierce and a pair of acquaintances, Robert Springsteen and
Mike Scott, had taken a joy ride to San Antonio
and a stolen suv not long after the crime, and
so it put these two other boys, Robert and Mike,

(30:37):
on the radar as well. Let's I have a photo
of it. You commit the next minute. No, that's not it.
Here we go, that's them. It's like, it just reminds
me of Paradise Lost. What do you think? Guilty or
not guilty?

Speaker 2 (31:00):
Oh shit, you're just saying that because of the mullet.
That's not fair.

Speaker 3 (31:06):
Antony made sense back then, got people. Yeah, that's right,
my mom. Okay. So so Wellborne's brought in for questioning
by the detective. He passes a polygraph test. The ballistics
of the gun didn't match up to the bullets that
had been used. There was no evidence to link any
of them to the crime, and detectives noted that Pierce

(31:30):
seemed to have a mental illness. But anyways, they were
dismissed as suspects and the case stalled. So was Piers
the one that said he did it? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (31:37):
And that so that's almost exactly. Yeah, the crime.

Speaker 3 (31:43):
You just named, I was like innocent something. It just
happened and we can't remember. Yeah, that's right. Because that's right.

Speaker 2 (31:55):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (31:55):
So five years later and around three hundred and forty
two suspect and fifty false confessions or confessions that didn't
pan out, a new detective, Paul Johnson, takes over and
he okay, obviously it's one of those the cities freaking
the fuck out. Why mean you caught the murders. You
guys are inept that sort of thing. And so the
cops do the thing that they always do, or they're like,

(32:17):
it's this guy, you know, because they're like, we got someone.
So Paul Johnson did that. He he focused on the boys,
the four boys, let's see. He brought in Pier, Scott, Springsteen,
and well Born for questioning. Five years later, all of
them died any involvement in the murders at first, but

(32:38):
after a series of intense interrogations, Scott broke down and
admitted that he helped carry out the murders, saying he shot
one of the girls in the head at Pierce's insistence.
The police theory was that the four guys, this four teenagers,
planned to rob the yogurt shop. Three of them would
go in, one of them would wait in the car,
but that something went right and the killing started. Then

(33:00):
the detective that had originally dismissed the boys as suspect
was never consulted by the new cop, so in nineteen
ninety nine, all four men charged with capital murder. Springsteen
admitted to shooting one of the girls, but Pierceon Weilmore
never admitted to killing and they were let go. So
the crazy one who started it all was let go

(33:20):
despite having nothing but confessions to use against them, which
by then they had both rerecanted, saying that police had
of course coerced their statements. And there was even a
photo of Paul Johnson holding a gun in the interrogation
room to the back of one of their heads. What yeah,
who took a picture of that? It's like a it

(33:42):
was a selfie.

Speaker 4 (33:43):
H it was surveillance video over the fucking oh ohh yeah.

Speaker 3 (33:53):
So like that's kind of cordial. I mean, Jesus, well,
he had he had already put people away for false
confessions that later were exonerated by DNA and people admitting
to it. So this was kind of his thing. And
here he is.

Speaker 2 (34:10):
Now you get to say your side of things.

Speaker 3 (34:15):
I went to his hometown. Murder is okay. So so
but they're sentenced to. So Springsteen sentenced to death, Scott's
sentenced to life in prison without parole in two thousand
and one and two. Then in two thousand and seven

(34:35):
knew So that was two thousand and one. New DNA
evidence not available during their original trials revealed a male's
DNA on the youngest victim Amy. When the DNA was tested,
it didn't match any of the fourteens. Convictions were overturned.
The cases were thrown out more than ten years after
they were arrested, So they were in jail for a decade. Yeah, right,

(35:00):
So what really happened? So it wasn't until two thousand
and eleven that Carlos Garcia, the lead defense attorney for
Mike Scott, put the crime scene photos into sequence looking
for details that he might have previously missed. This is
fucking bananas. When he looked closely at a specific crime

(35:22):
scene photo, go When he looked at a specific crime
scene photo of the dining area of the store, which
wasn't that badly damaged by the fire, it showed the
room mostly clean for the night. Tables had chairs stacked
on them, the napkin holders were full except for one table.

(35:44):
A booth in the back barely visible, and also the
booth that the elderly woman told the investigators that the
two sketchy men were sitting in close to closing time,
had no chairs on top of it, and then napkin
holder was empty. Okay, let's get the phone for real. Yeah,
right back there. Oh no, and that fucked up.

Speaker 2 (36:06):
I got chills, like in the weirdest way up my
neck when you said that.

Speaker 3 (36:11):
Look at the napkinholder. It's fucking empty, man. Yeah, dude,
every table has a chair on it. Also, look at
that picture. I can't believe that's yogurt. I fucking can't believe.
Oh my god. So like, yeah, that's okay. Close, unlocked
the door. While these guys finish up.

Speaker 2 (36:32):
They put that cop in the office. He flips down
that pictures. He's like screaming aloud by himself.

Speaker 3 (36:38):
I think everyone kind of went, oh fuck, we really
missed something. I think everyone kind of lost their minds.
So good for this, dude, you're fucking finding it. It's
pretty amazing. So so clearly they had been sitting there
at closing time, the girls were cleaning up around them.
They let the last stragglers stay and at eleven a clock,

(37:02):
the no sale button was pressed on the register, so
that's when they think everything started. They asked for change,
they did something, They held a gun up to their faces.
Probably I was like, give me all your money. That's
true too, one of those for the meter. They started

(37:23):
off nice. The fuck am I talking about? Can I
get some quarters for the meter?

Speaker 2 (37:29):
It's eleven o'clock at night and.

Speaker 3 (37:33):
I love yogaurls Oh. I still can't believe. I still
cannot believe this. This is crazy. I need change. So
the defense lawyers believe that's the table where the killers sat.
He was still in the door when the fire started,
which means the last customer had never been let out.
There was a rag on the counter of as someone
had been wiping down the counter, and there was also

(37:54):
an unopened can of coke sitting near the register. Remember
he ordered a can of coke. The guy who then
and the register had no sale at eleven o'clock and
the money was stolen, so that's when that probably started.
And the killers likely escaped out of the back door
after they started the fire, so they had an hour
to do all of this. Neither Darylcroft or the older

(38:15):
married couple were called to testify at the teen's trials,
so it's not known exactly what they saw because there's
no testimony. So who killed these girls? The book has
a fucking detailed bananas theory and it made me sick
and not be able to sleep. So if you're a
creep like me, go read it. Not if you don't

(38:36):
like crime scene photos. There's not a single one in there.
But it's like reads like okay.

Speaker 2 (38:41):
Yeah, oh no, you talking about this before the picture
came up, I was like, oh I want to go home.
It's like something about that that's just so fucking It's
like the thing that's there that people cannot see.

Speaker 3 (38:53):
How did you want to say? Like how did they
not say this? But like I don't would any of
us No, Like it doesn't need it doesn't necess really
mean anything unless you put all of the stuff together,
Like there was two guys who were there at the
end of it, and like and they didn't let people
you know, it's just.

Speaker 2 (39:09):
Well, also, you have the shock and horror of a
town like this and then four teenage girls being brutally murdered,
and in a way that's just there's so much grief,
there's so much horror and loss that, like, I think
details always get missed in that situation because it's everyone's
just going fix it, solve it right now.

Speaker 3 (39:29):
This has to be over and everyone in town. And
I think a lot of I've read a lot of
like hometown murders that people wrote, and they're like, this
is when we stopped being able to go out, this
is when the town wasn't the same anymore. And I
remember it being this stage in it happening, and it's
just it's such a horrible I mean, I've I've kind
of followed it since it happened, and I remember seeing
that recently and it's just one of those things that

(39:51):
keeps unfolding and getting more and more gross and horrible.
So many people think that the serial killer Ken McDuff
was the one the men and was one of the
men in the yogurt stores that night. He had kidnapped
and killed Colleen Reid on December twenty ninth, nineteen ninety one,
in Austin with an accomplice. That's twenty three days after

(40:14):
the yogurt shot murder. He had a history of multiple
murders involving teenagers, but he was soon ruled out of
the crime. And I literally couldn't find anything more on
this than someone saying he flat out said, had I
done it, I would tell you because I'd be proud
of it. And then they're like, so it probably wasn't him, goodbye,
Like it's so, I feel like that's a trick.

Speaker 2 (40:35):
I feel like that's a trick he would use.

Speaker 3 (40:38):
Yeah, it's just and it sounds well if you read
about his and I was scared that maybe you were
doing that murder and I was like, stealing your whatever
so much you're mirror around me. I know, listen, but
this guy is a fucking monster animal, and from the
other crimes he's committed, he is absolutely capable of the
details that I read about in the book. It's it's

(40:59):
not this is a crime that is not four teenagers.
You know, in my mind it could be wrong. But
it's the sadistic serial killer who got let out after
eleven years as a known serial killer because there was
overcrowding in Texas prisons.

Speaker 2 (41:13):
Well, yeah, let those serial killers go first, because there
are people who smoke potty legally, So you've got to
you've got to teach them. Yeah, you've got to teach them.
It's so easy to have the answers when you have
a pretty dress on and a great stool.

Speaker 3 (41:34):
Yeah. So this Ken McDuff motherfucker is crazy.

Speaker 2 (41:37):
Well, well that's incredible. That also that like a suspect
that big would be in.

Speaker 3 (41:41):
Town, I mean in town. Yeah, and he killed this
other girl with an accomplice, So he works with two
people like the two of them regularly. It just it fits.
And he's a rapist and he's just sadistic, So it
doesn't it doesn't. It adds up. Yeah, but it's rumored
that he admitted to the day he was put to death.

(42:03):
Some people say he admitted to the yogurt shot murders,
so they think he did it.

Speaker 2 (42:09):
But what jailhouse gossip like, no one can confirm it.

Speaker 3 (42:12):
Yeah, fuck yeah, Ken detectives are I know, this guy's
a fucking creeper too. If you see his photo, you're
just like, oh, I would never like let you in
my store. I don't have it. Sorry.

Speaker 2 (42:25):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (42:26):
And I was trying so hard. There's like this guy
daryld has a description of what the guy looked like,
and I was taking I was looking for photos of him,
and I was like, please, have a pointy nose, Please
have a pointing nose, and let he did it, and
I was like, well, I'm not showing that photo of
him because he could have punched himself in the notes. Yes,
he doesn't line up with what I wanted to, So
I'm not going to even acknowledge it because I don't
have to. Because that's the Little More podcast. That's the way.

(42:50):
So detectives are still working on finding more evidence in
the murders, but for now it remains an unsolved mystery.
And I have the photo of the girls if you
want to see them. Oh, I'm sorry, that's Amy right there.
That's Jennifer or sister Sarah, and that's Eliza, sweet baby angels.
Doesn't it horrify? They're sisters. We love sisters.

Speaker 2 (43:13):
I just, uh, this one hurts me bad.

Speaker 3 (43:16):
I know, I'm sorry. No, I mean, I hope yours
is funny. Now pull us up.

Speaker 2 (43:24):
You know, it's just like, that's what everybody looked like
at my high school. You worked in the yogurt shop
we worked at. It was because the Noles sisters worked there,
and so we it was like, oh, do you want
to work at theyugret shop?

Speaker 3 (43:35):
Susie knowles can get a great job. Well, that's what
happened with these two girls were best. She's like, let
me get you the job at the yogurt shop. And
I wasn't going to post a photo because it's so sad,
but I'm like, that's not fair to them. You gotta
like acknowledge, you gotta power through it.

Speaker 2 (43:49):
Yeah, it's just yeah, it could be all of us,
and any of.

Speaker 3 (43:53):
Us I know. Yeah, it comes out. So that's the
yogurt shot murders. You're not as excited as you were
in the beginning.

Speaker 2 (44:00):
I can tell see how fucked up these live shows are.

Speaker 3 (44:04):
That guy's leaving.

Speaker 1 (44:05):
He can't fucking take it.

Speaker 3 (44:06):
I'm sorry. I'm so sorry, you too. Oh, we're fucks
the whole fucking front row. This is bullshit. They're like, actually,
we could just see George's underwear and it's freaking us
out alone. So we're gonna go stand in the bed.

Speaker 2 (44:21):
We're fine with the murder. It's just that, where are
you getting those stripes?

Speaker 3 (44:24):
Yeah? Those are clearly from four years ago, at least
two years ago. Everyone, I'll pick up a pair.

Speaker 2 (44:32):
That's literally there's like weird shreds coming off with them.
Where you're just like, well, first of all, a where
did I buy these? And secondly did I only pay
ninety nine cents for them? And why won't I throw
them away?

Speaker 3 (44:44):
Everything everything you're saying. And then I think about like
friends who like buy expensive lingerie and then I pull
out underwear and it's got the target you know when
you rip the tag off and it has the threads
still in it. Yeah, I don't cut that out. It's
just like it's all of my underwear have a little
thread from the tag I pulled off on it. And
that's just what I do.

Speaker 2 (45:04):
I want to know that people who wear like fancy
lingerie around So what kind of day do you have
where that's that's something that you can make work underneath
until the night time.

Speaker 3 (45:19):
I don't if I lived alone and when I did, oh,
they would just be a me. I would wear them
like I wear some what not. I have to throw
them away sometimes because I'm like, I'm just gonna think
on this person. But I totally am that person. I
just wears seven year old underwear. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (45:35):
I mean sometimes it feels like a victory to have
seven year old underwears. You're just like you pick it
up and then you're just like, oh my god, remember
when you had fucking purple hair or whatever?

Speaker 3 (45:46):
Yeah, my good memories and these moving on. That was
a sidebar, yeah, underwear sidebar.

Speaker 2 (46:00):
Well, because we're in Austin, I'm going to do this
Servant Girl Annihilator. Yeah right, it's the one that listen
if you google Austin's serial Killer, that's what comes up.
It's like the first seven results.

Speaker 3 (46:15):
And this will lighten the mood a little I feel like,
which is I think this will lighten the mood a
little bit? Yes for sure. Oh yeah, vintage murders, everyone's
like vintage. There's annihilation. It's what everybody likes. Yeah, all right. Uh.

Speaker 2 (46:31):
Sometimes when I'm writing this and I'm under pressure because
it's five oh five yep, and we have to be
here at six because the show starts at seven.

Speaker 3 (46:41):
I emailed this to vincat like five forty five. I
was like, can you print this on me?

Speaker 2 (46:46):
Do you find that you're more you let yourself be
more of flowery and interesting as you write your as
you put it together. No.

Speaker 3 (46:53):
I started it like two weeks ago, and I was like,
this is going to be so detailed and interesting. And
then I kept going back and be like I don't
have as much as I thought I did, and like
fucking like copying a pasting shit.

Speaker 2 (47:03):
Oh okay, now oh because I get well. My only
point was just I do stuff like.

Speaker 3 (47:09):
The year of eighteen eighty five, and it was a
difficult one for Austin, Texas. Now that guy leaves. Fuck,
that's fine, it's fine, that's fine. He was just here
with this girlfriend.

Speaker 2 (47:27):
Anyway. I never been into it. Now she has to
watch football. It's a trade off. Thing happens a lot.

Speaker 3 (47:35):
Or wrestling. Maybe yeah, maybe some wrestling. Wrestling. She okay.

Speaker 2 (47:43):
In eighteen eighty five, here in your beautiful town, there
was an unprecedented axe murder crime spree that had the
entire city in a panic. By the end of the year,
there was a city wide curfew. Strangers were forced to
identify themselves or be run out of town Georgia.

Speaker 3 (48:00):
It was like.

Speaker 2 (48:04):
Cat did my middle name's land, no out out, we
don't know you. Citizens formed a vigilance committee to patrol
the streets at night. Downtown saloons were being forced to
close at midnight. What insanity, a horror, it said, Saloons
and other raucous businesses. So what's that you guys. Yeah,

(48:27):
it's like cooorhouse. We're talking about horsip. I mean sex
worker house, sex workers apartment building. At one point the
city hired Pinkerton detectives to come and try to find
this man, but they couldn't do it.

Speaker 3 (48:47):
If a Pinkerton people can't find it, if the pinker
does can't buy it.

Speaker 2 (48:52):
Four hundred men were arrested. No one was ever officially
charged for all the crimes. To this day, no one
knows for sure who the servant girl annihilator was. So
it all started on the night of December thirty, at
eighteen eighty four at nine oh one West Pecan Street
or Pecan.

Speaker 3 (49:09):
I don't know how you guys do it.

Speaker 5 (49:11):
For pecanan PC, Pecan, Pecan, Percorn, it's pecorn, Okay, it's
actually it's an almond Oh Almond Street.

Speaker 3 (49:22):
Yeah, sorry, I'm from California.

Speaker 2 (49:27):
Nine o one West Pecran Street. A twenty five year
old woman named Mollie Smith, who was working in that
household as a cook, was attacked with an axe while
she slept. Then the intruder dragged her unconscious body out
of the house into the backyard, raped her and then

(49:47):
murdered her in the backyard. Rye.

Speaker 3 (49:50):
But I mean I why a lot.

Speaker 2 (49:54):
Of that no, just yeah, philosophically yeah, but also emotionally.

Speaker 3 (49:59):
Yeah yeah, okay. And then also just why didn't you
stay inside? Just dandside. That was my main why. But
that sounds shitt Is that the main why?

Speaker 2 (50:08):
I actually really wanted to, uh, but it turns out
I had to take a shower. I wanted to do
a thing where I looked at what the full when
the full moons were because there's a lot of theories
about that part of it. When when this gets really
bad and this axe murderer in your town repeatedly kills
a ton of people, everybody goes nuts with the theories

(50:31):
and it's kind of awesome case. We'll get to it
a little bit. So Molly was the first victim five
months later, on May seventh, eighteen eighty five, at three
Zho two East Cyprus Street.

Speaker 3 (50:40):
Doctor Lucian B.

Speaker 2 (50:41):
Johnson has employed a cook name Eliza Shelley. Eliza is
a thirty year old mother of two young children. One
is six years old named Georgia okay, and one is
six months old. Eliza's husband is in prison and she
lives in doctor John's home working for them with her children,

(51:03):
and she is described later as an excellent woman. On
the night of May seventh, and intruder breaks in and
attacks Eliza as she sleeps, murdering her with an axe.

Speaker 3 (51:18):
So two weeks.

Speaker 2 (51:19):
Later, on May twenty third, at three h two East
London Street in the home of Sophia Whitman.

Speaker 3 (51:26):
So basically Sophia had her house.

Speaker 2 (51:28):
Up in the front and then there were apartments in
the back and back there a widow named Irene Cross
lived with her son Washington and her nine year old
nephew Douglas, and Douglas Washington Washington was the other son.

Speaker 3 (51:42):
Guy. Sorry, it's okay. We've got to be able to
talk about stuff like this.

Speaker 2 (51:53):
So that night, same intruder breaks into Irene's apartment murders
her in bed with a knife. Her son, Washington, who
was adult I think he was twenty four, was gone,
he was out for the night. Douglas, the nine year
old nephew, is the one of the only real eyewitnesses
of the Servant Girl annihilator, and when he talked to

(52:15):
the police, he described the police to the police the
person he saw was quote a big, chunky Negro man
who was barefooted with his pants rolled up.

Speaker 3 (52:25):
What So three months go by.

Speaker 2 (52:29):
Now we're at three hundred East Cedar Street and it's
the home of a man named Valentine Weed.

Speaker 3 (52:37):
It's all one wants for Valentine. I mean, only great.

Speaker 2 (52:40):
Things are happening in that house with Valentine Weed.

Speaker 3 (52:47):
She's so pissed.

Speaker 2 (52:50):
A block So this is and this house is exactly
a block north of where Eliza Kelly was murdered. So
a woman named Rebecca Raimie, who was a fifty year
old widowed mother of three, got a job as a
domestic servant for the Weed family. She lived on the
property with her eleven year old daughter Mary, and Rebecca

(53:13):
actually came from a very prominent Austin family. Her brother,
Edward Carrington, ran the Carrington Grocery Store, which was one
of the first black owned businesses in Austin, and she
also had another brother who ran the nearby blacksmith shop.
I couldn't find I couldn't drag and drop this picture
to give it to Stephen to put in our thing.
Oh I bet I have a picture too. You can
throw up really whatever you have, Oh Look, there's your town.

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Remember when it was just a grid?

Speaker 3 (53:39):
Where are we?

Speaker 2 (53:41):
It was so easy to ride your bike around with
your big beard or whatever. Oh but there was a
picture of Rebecca's family and they all had these amazing
like you know, like the coke model lady. They all

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had like those tiny waist high neck dresses with a
big hat nail, super like, you know.

Speaker 3 (54:10):
Don't fuck with me. It was awesome. Yeah, don't fuck
with me. I'm about to faint for my organs.

Speaker 2 (54:14):
Yes, seriously, please don't fuck with me because I will
pass out. Okay, So she she is. When she is widowed,
she has to start working for herself. So she gets
this job and uh she works for the weeds.

Speaker 3 (54:34):
Uh so dumb. Okay, so horrible pun but I'm not
gonna won't do it, do it?

Speaker 2 (54:40):
And intruder breaks into her bedroom window, beats her until
she's unconscious, then goes into eleven year old Larry's room,
drags her out into the backyard, rapes her, and murders
her with a fucking axe.

Speaker 3 (54:54):
All right, fuck?

Speaker 2 (54:56):
Uh So these this is when the rumors begin because
people start talking about this must be a supernatural being
because everyone's saying that the nights these attacks occur, no
dogs bark, so there are dogs in the next door
neighbor's yards. When he pulls people out into those yards,
no dogs are barking, and they can't figure out why.

Speaker 3 (55:18):
We have a mistake. Oh for a mistake. Well hold on,
it's well good night, everybody, thanks so much. I mean,
you guys have seeing cartoons, right, So they're like trying
to sneak in and they're just like it just really,
you know, steak and then the dog eats it and
pulls out a cat cat's skeleton for I mean fish

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skeleton forget it.

Speaker 2 (55:44):
All right, okay, okay, So among those because also there
was many nights it was either a full moon or
there was just a lot of moonlight.

Speaker 3 (55:53):
So people don't.

Speaker 2 (55:54):
Understand how this person's getting away with it. A lot
of people think he might be invisible. There's a there's
an invisibility factor to it.

Speaker 3 (56:04):
Look here he is now.

Speaker 2 (56:08):
Nothing moving on. Why is every page upside down? I
think this makes sense.

Speaker 3 (56:18):
Trying to do this right on a month later on
the night of is that right? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (56:25):
Yes, his three months went by, so a month later.
And this is also the thing that they're spaced out
in this really interesting way where he has a bunch
of murders, then rests for three months and has a
classic serial killer on the night of September twenty eighth,
at the residence of William B. Dunham's house. It's at
two four zero eight Guadaloupe Street. Do you live there, Guadaloupe.

(56:50):
I'm not talking to you anymore so man twenty five.

Speaker 3 (56:58):
He's nervous about Texas. This is nothing compared to we've had, well,
we've had before. Sure.

Speaker 2 (57:05):
So in this house in the back, there's a cabin
in the back of the house where twenty five year
old Orange Washington and his girlfriend, twenty year old Gracey
Vance are sleeping, and the intruder once again breaks in
and he murders Orange in his sleep and then drags
Gracie into the backyard, rapes her, and murders her. Three

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months later, Christmas Eve a two oh three Water Street.

Speaker 3 (57:34):
It's the home of Moses Hancock.

Speaker 2 (57:35):
So forty one year old Susan Hancock, who is the
mother of two girls.

Speaker 3 (57:40):
It's Christmas Eve.

Speaker 2 (57:41):
They're out at a Christmas party and she is asleep
in one of their rooms. Not a happy marriage. Moses
is sleep in the other room.

Speaker 3 (57:50):
Let's not talk about it. It's none of our business.

Speaker 2 (57:54):
So an intruder breaks into the house, into the room,
grabs her, drags her into the backyard.

Speaker 3 (58:00):
Now because up with that right, he wants to be outside.

Speaker 2 (58:04):
He wants to be under the moon like a fucking
were wolf, which brings us back to the supernatural element
of trying to introduce him to this podcast.

Speaker 3 (58:14):
In two months, we're going to be all wear wolves.
I can't wait. And no one ever listened.

Speaker 2 (58:21):
Again, Uh okay. So her husband, Moses, is sleeping the
other room. He wakes up because he hears a noise,
goes outside. There's a man murdering his wife in the backyard.
He tries to attack the man.

Speaker 3 (58:36):
The man turns around, starts hitting him with the axe,
and then brings away. So he's very badly injured.

Speaker 2 (58:43):
Four days later, Missus Hancock dies from her injuries. So
then when he recovers, mister Hancock is arrested for the
murder of his wife. Yes, yes, he got a fucking
hatchet in the face. Yeah, but it does anyone can
do that. His daughters both come to his defense. They
say he's never been he's a lovely father. He's never

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been bad to any of us. But a family of
Susan Hancock a tests that Moses was a vicious drunk
and that Susan was about to leave him, And later
they find this letter that she wrote to him but
never gave to him in her belongings that read, dear husband,
I've lived with you for eighteen years and have always
tried to make you a good wife and help you

(59:26):
all I could. I've loved you and followed you day
and night. You won't quit whiskey, and I am so nervous.
I can't stand it. You know, it almost kills me
for you to drink. And Lena is almost crazy and
will lose her mind.

Speaker 3 (59:37):
She fucking puts it on her daughter.

Speaker 2 (59:38):
Lena is a nut, and it's your fault. If I
was to do anything to disgrace you and our children,
you would leave me.

Speaker 3 (59:47):
You would have quit me.

Speaker 2 (59:48):
Long ago, which is a good point. And then she says,
take care of yourself. Write me at Waco. I will
answer every letter your wife until death, Sue Hancock. But
then she doesn't leave him. She stays Sohney. So everyone's like, oh,
how convenient. But now your wife has been murdered in
the backyard, but Moses Hancock is never convicted for the

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murder of his wife on the very same night, Christmas
Eve at three h two Hickory Street. Ula Phillips, who
is a seventeen year old wife and mother of one.

Speaker 3 (01:00:23):
What the fuck you want to hear about it?

Speaker 2 (01:00:27):
She got married off in an arranged marriage when she
was no fourteen and then had a baby a year later,
and so strangely enough, it turned out she wasn't that
happy in the.

Speaker 3 (01:00:40):
Marriage because she had to marry a guy that was
I think he was twenty one when she was fourteen.
I mean, it doesn't matter at what age squats it sucks.

Speaker 2 (01:00:52):
Yeah, yeah, it does matter a little bit.

Speaker 3 (01:00:56):
That's right. You're right. We've gone into an area where
you're fourteen.

Speaker 2 (01:01:04):
You probably have a retainer and you won't stop talking
about skittles, and you shouldn't have your own baby.

Speaker 3 (01:01:14):
Maybe some do it and some do it great.

Speaker 2 (01:01:19):
Anyway, So she had actually already taken the baby and
left her husband, James, because he was also a huge drinker.

Speaker 3 (01:01:26):
What's going on, Austin.

Speaker 2 (01:01:29):
It's all anyone did in the eighteen hundreds and still
do Yeah, rock on? Then, single, sad tear for me
not being able to I had all mine already.

Speaker 3 (01:01:44):
You met me bars, read wine, you pull out a
drink from down here. Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:01:51):
So she left him, and while she was gone, she
ended up having an affair with a wealthy, well connected
man named John Dickinson.

Speaker 4 (01:02:00):
Girl.

Speaker 3 (01:02:00):
But then James, that's right.

Speaker 2 (01:02:05):
But then James got a job, he stopped drinking, got
his whole act together, and he went and found her
and he was like, please take me back.

Speaker 3 (01:02:11):
I want to make this work. Are you wealthy?

Speaker 2 (01:02:13):
Yeah, And she's like, well, I'm seventeen, so okay.

Speaker 3 (01:02:20):
Yeah. So she goes back.

Speaker 2 (01:02:22):
But then this night, on this night of Christmas Eve,
she had snuck out of the house and she had
gone to one of the basically the eighteen hundreds version
of a hotel motel, and they didn't no one knows
who she was going there to meet. But she went there,
asked for a room, and the person that ran and said,
no rooms tonight. And so she went back home and

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within an hour she was dead. She was attacked with
an axe while she was sleeping. She was dragged into
the backyard. She was raped and murdered. Her husband heard
her being attacked, runs outside, he's also attacked, and he's
very badly womed, wounded. But he is arrested, tried, and
convicted for her. Do we think he did it it knew?

Speaker 3 (01:03:06):
Okay? I do.

Speaker 2 (01:03:09):
The prosecution painted him as a violent, jealous drunk, but
eventually the case is overturned because his lawyer argues that
he never knew about her affair, So how could he
be jealous? Hey, wrap that up, nice little, easy peasy,
you old drunk.

Speaker 3 (01:03:30):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:03:31):
So here's a couple of things, A couple interesting trivia facts.

Speaker 3 (01:03:35):
All of the.

Speaker 2 (01:03:38):
All of the victims that were left behind that their
husbands didn't come upon them. They were all posed in
the same manner. I could not find what that manner was.

Speaker 3 (01:03:48):
On the internet. Maybe someone knows.

Speaker 2 (01:03:50):
I like to picture it was kind of a beechey
thing like this, but that's more of a defense mechanism,
because this is fucking horrifying.

Speaker 3 (01:04:00):
This is worse. Six of the murdered women had a
sharp object inserted into their ears. The worst, Oh ear,
the worst? Oh have you?

Speaker 2 (01:04:11):
Like?

Speaker 3 (01:04:11):
Yeah, it's not the same thing as stabbing yourself with
a Q tip. Georgia like, but just don't even say it.
Out loud. But it's so bad that that's as bad
as you want to imagine it being. That's how bad
that is. Yeah, that's all I can even go too.
Here's my favorite.

Speaker 2 (01:04:27):
At several of the crime scenes, bloody footprints were found
and the uh right foot was missing a left toe.

Speaker 3 (01:04:37):
Ooh no, that doesn't work.

Speaker 2 (01:04:42):
The right foot was missing a big toe.

Speaker 1 (01:04:44):
Shut it up.

Speaker 2 (01:04:45):
The oh my god perfectionism with the words and the details.

Speaker 3 (01:04:52):
I didn't. I didn't catch it. I was like, uh huh,
it's right there. I wrote it right there on the page.
Do do missing.

Speaker 2 (01:05:00):
I can do it whenever I want, even twenty minutes
before left toe send.

Speaker 3 (01:05:05):
Print, say board forever.

Speaker 2 (01:05:11):
Even if you guys hadn't made a collective Austin based groan,
we had been like great, no, left toe sounds good.

Speaker 3 (01:05:21):
If you're new to the podcast, this is basically what
it's like. What happened is now if someone says something wrong,
the other one not knowing it, and then moving on,
it's like living Twitter, but the best kind. Yeah. Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:05:36):
There were lots of quote unquote eyewitnesses during this murder spree,
so the killer was variously reported to have been a
white or dark complexioned or yellow man pick wearing lamp
black to conceal his actual skin color, which because there

(01:05:57):
were so many lamps around, so they were just like
they did.

Speaker 3 (01:05:59):
Do it's so many murders.

Speaker 2 (01:06:03):
He was also described as a man wearing a Mother
Hubbard style dress.

Speaker 3 (01:06:09):
Yes, so much worse. It's yes, this is your kind
of story, is mother Howard? Now that Mother Goose is
the one with all the kids underneath.

Speaker 2 (01:06:21):
He's like, I'm an axe murderer and I have children
under my dress.

Speaker 3 (01:06:24):
Oh, how fucked up is that? They're into it. They're
into murder too, and they all come out and they're
like they love murder. Fuck uh. He was also described
as being a man wearing a slouch hat. That's pretty hip.
You don't know what that is. But if it's just
a cat and mat, that motherfucker he's always up to

(01:06:47):
no good.

Speaker 2 (01:06:48):
It's just the cat and hat, like I did some
murders in the eighteen hundreds, No big deal.

Speaker 3 (01:06:53):
Whoop fish bowl.

Speaker 2 (01:06:58):
Also a man wearing a hat and a white rag
that covered the lower part of his face. That's the
elephant man, Get it together, eyewitnesses. There is also a
story about a Malay cook I'm assuming that means Malaysian,
but I'm not sure, and it's fun to walk the

(01:07:18):
line of this could be intensely offensive and racist, but
I found it on I think they would have corrected
it Wikipedia. There would have been a huge Malay response
by Malaysian.

Speaker 3 (01:07:31):
So the story was that there was a Malay cook
calling himself Maurice.

Speaker 2 (01:07:37):
And had to can't not. He had worked at the
Pearl House in eighteen eighty five and he left some
time in January of eighteen eighty six, which is exactly
the timeframe of these axe murders, and the last in
the killing of Miss Hancock and Miss Eula Phillips. The

(01:07:59):
former occurred during on Christmas Eve, that was just before
the Malay departed, and then that's when the murders ended. Wow,
so they think he did it, and they also think
that he went he got on a boat and he
went to England and he.

Speaker 3 (01:08:16):
Became Jack the River. Shut up. Don't you love it?
I love it?

Speaker 2 (01:08:27):
The Malay that you never saw coming is actually the
star of the show. Just a low key Mulay named Maurice.

Speaker 3 (01:08:35):
That's like, guess fucking what, my name's not Jack. But
people love to theorize, don't we, especially when we don't
know anything that's real? Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:08:50):
I also introduced the idea that the Servant Girl Annihilator
could also be the axe Man of New Orleans.

Speaker 3 (01:08:56):
Yeah, who remember that?

Speaker 2 (01:08:58):
That was my very bold and brave theory that I
pulled off of Wikipedia because he was he was in
uh he was doing it in the nineteen fourteen, nineteen sixteen.
Who knows all competing theories, anything's possible.

Speaker 3 (01:09:14):
Here's the most interesting. I love it. I love it.

Speaker 2 (01:09:16):
In February of eighteen eighty six, at a saloon in
the East Austin, a nineteen year old cook named Nathan
Elgin was verbally and then physically attacking a woman in
a bar with such viciousness that it scared the rest
of the patrons of the bar into silence. He then
dragged her out of the bar and down the street

(01:09:39):
to his sister's house and inside what can you m
Oh my god, right, so many questions, Yeah, of how
are you just sitting there?

Speaker 3 (01:09:49):
Yeah? Right?

Speaker 2 (01:09:50):
And okay, go on, But also how scary was that
guy that Everyone's like, I've got two guns right now,
and I'm still too scared to go after you? I'm
made of guns. It's what I do for a living.
I'm a cowboy in Austin, Texas.

Speaker 3 (01:10:05):
You go ahead and take her. That's fine.

Speaker 2 (01:10:10):
So the barkeeper and another man chase him, and somebody
else goes and gets the sheriff. They all end up
at this house and inside he's attacking this woman.

Speaker 3 (01:10:21):
He's on her.

Speaker 2 (01:10:22):
He's got a knife, and they start to tussle with him.
He basically essentially brandishes the knife and the sheriff shoots
him dead. I think I have a picture of that
sheriff if you want to skip ahead, it's pretty epic.

Speaker 3 (01:10:37):
Okay, let him No, it's not very shit. We saw
him walking down the street today.

Speaker 2 (01:10:48):
Remember now he roast coffee beans for a living, but
he used to be the sheriff.

Speaker 1 (01:10:55):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (01:10:56):
I love him so much.

Speaker 2 (01:10:59):
The Austin vampire, the hip vampire that's been alive for
ten thousand years, just doing right by everybody. Anyhow, here's
the thing he shoots in. I had his name on
here somewhere, it's long gone.

Speaker 3 (01:11:16):
The sheriff shoots this guy.

Speaker 2 (01:11:17):
And then when they take off his shoe, no, no
big choe on his right foot, motherfuckers.

Speaker 3 (01:11:25):
Yes, no, it was him, it's totally him.

Speaker 2 (01:11:27):
Well, they don't know, and they couldn't prove it because
the guy was dead. But there were no more XE
murders after that day.

Speaker 3 (01:11:35):
Formal Asian guys like, they kind of drove me out
of Austin. I really wanted to stay here.

Speaker 4 (01:11:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:11:41):
I never killed anyone. And this guy in public, Maurice Morris,
was like, it's freezing in London. What about the fuck
you guys? I was a really good cook. Ye, it's rude. Wow, yeah, dude, yeah,
that's it. Sorry, thank you, that's great. I uh I

(01:12:07):
think we're yeah, yeah, you guys, we don't have time
to do a home down. We're so sorry. You can't
yell know you're not allowed to. And I'm so fummed
because I know from Twitter that we have a crime
scene investigator on the home. Yes, I'm so in the office.

Speaker 2 (01:12:23):
Can we bring the house slights up for one second,
just so we can look at a crime scene investigator
in real life and we turn them up just slightly
slightly and then don't stand up a crime scene investigator.

Speaker 3 (01:12:36):
Hi? Oh you We're sorry. She's wearing a toxic masculinity
shirt but she can't wear that just to work, almost
in to school, Like, can I just ask you a
quick question? Don't answer for her?

Speaker 2 (01:12:48):
Do you steal crime scene tape and take it to
your home like we do post it notes?

Speaker 3 (01:12:54):
Do you just read No, she's not talking to me.
We're very excited her here.

Speaker 2 (01:13:08):
Thank you for sending us that message. It's it's always
very exciting when actual professionals are like, we don't hate
what you're doing, so very fun.

Speaker 3 (01:13:17):
We're going to be back here a lot. I feel
like we really love Austin, Texas. How can we not?
You guys have so much murder in this state that yeah,
we could do the rest of our shows here, Yeah,
and we'd be fine. It'd be very cool. And you
guys are awesome and.

Speaker 2 (01:13:33):
Our numbers are so bafflingly high in Texas that all
the people that we're in feral are like, is one
are one of you from Texas?

Speaker 3 (01:13:41):
Like what? Why? And we don't know, but we love
you for it.

Speaker 2 (01:13:44):
Thanks, Thank you so much, you guys.

Speaker 6 (01:13:47):
Stay sexy by

Speaker 3 (01:14:00):
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