81 - Weapon Bush

On this week’s My Favorite Murder, Karen and Georgia cover Peter Kürten, The Vampire of Düsseldorf, and the case of Jeffrey MacDonald.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:17):
You never laughed so quickly yet you the smile you
just gave me was like, Karen, I know you're losing
your mind. Please be here with me now. Guys, I
just hello, welcome to my favorite murder. Hi.

Speaker 2 (00:30):
That is Karen.

Speaker 1 (00:31):
That's George. I my dogs just got out. As I
was driving over here, I got a call from my
god blessed neighbor Carolyn, who is the one who people
go to because she knows everybody in the neighborhood and cookies.

Speaker 2 (00:49):
She I think.

Speaker 3 (00:49):
So she's the best neighbor.

Speaker 1 (00:52):
And my dog's already got out once this week, and
so when I saw her name come up on my phone,
I was like, no, God, and it was.

Speaker 2 (01:00):
Her Frank and George bad dog.

Speaker 3 (01:03):
Yeah, it's George. So she's there's the front gate.

Speaker 1 (01:06):
It locks but kind of not really, and I think
she's pushing on it. And so I had just left
the house to come over here to record and.

Speaker 2 (01:14):
Tell everyone your address and the and where the gate
is and everyone can just go check it.

Speaker 1 (01:18):
Everyone's a while as a favor. Yeah, I think it
would be nice. Uh, it's the worst feeling when a
your dogs are out, b uh you they don't have
name tags on because somehow the name tags have fallen
off over the years and I've.

Speaker 3 (01:32):
Never replaced them.

Speaker 1 (01:33):
And see they've already gotten out once this week and
alerted the entire neighborhood was in action trying, and they
were out all day because I was at work.

Speaker 2 (01:42):
You walked in to the apartment with like a perfectly
drop of tear and your glasses like it had been
raining inside of her glasses. There was like this, it's.

Speaker 3 (01:55):
Always raining inside of me.

Speaker 2 (01:57):
It was just like that huge you should have, like.

Speaker 3 (02:01):
You know how I can be.

Speaker 1 (02:03):
When I got out of last car and a ballet
dance the best and she just a ballet, so graceful,
so lady like. I got out of my car and
there was a man sitting on his front porch and
I walked up and he didn't say anything to me,
and I didn't say anything to him, and then finally
I went, do you have the dogs? And he was
like yeah, and he goes, is everything okay? And I go,

(02:26):
I guess not. And then I just started bawling in front.

Speaker 3 (02:29):
Of a man I don't know.

Speaker 2 (02:30):
Crying if I'm a stranger is just like vulnerable you
can be and you hope they react, well, He's like,
oh honey, it's okay.

Speaker 3 (02:37):
He was shocked. I would say he was shocked.

Speaker 2 (02:41):
And later was he like how dad? Was He like?
What level of it he was? Dad? But I think
he had a little bit of the get your shit together.

Speaker 1 (02:49):
These dogs were wandering in the street, which I that's
the burn of it is that I one dred percent
agree with him. The fact that it's happened several times,
it is like unforgivable. And the idea that I'm just
fucking driving around my dogs are like just in the mild,
just milow and noticing the fuck out of it.

Speaker 3 (03:10):
I'm so very upsetting.

Speaker 1 (03:12):
So anyway, that's how I that's the energy I'm bringing
tonight about you.

Speaker 2 (03:16):
I smiled at you like that. Yes, it was like, wait,
how are you going to do this such kindness because
it's been ten minutes since you guys. It's not like
we had to sit down and we all talked and
have tea, you know, a tea or biscuit. No.

Speaker 3 (03:28):
I came in hot with.

Speaker 2 (03:30):
Tears, tears, hot tears, tears onments. Not my style.

Speaker 3 (03:35):
And now do you're just trying to hold my energy?

Speaker 2 (03:37):
Me twice? Yeah, And that's like the most I've ever
hugged anyone in my life.

Speaker 1 (03:41):
It was really nice. I really appreciate it, genuinely.

Speaker 2 (03:44):
You're welcome. We have burgers being delivered or we have
to break for burgers at some point.

Speaker 3 (03:51):
My god.

Speaker 1 (03:51):
And then I look at my phone, Carolyn. I actually
want to leave my phone up just in case.

Speaker 2 (03:56):
I'm leaving my nap brain now, only because of burgers.
Otherwise it stresses me out so much. Okay, I'm gonna
screen birgers. You're gonna hear a pause. You're not gonna
hear a pause. You're gonna hear nothing, because this is
a fucking professional podcast. That's right.

Speaker 3 (04:08):
Steven's gonna cut, did it?

Speaker 2 (04:11):
Oh? You know have a quow style? How well? Now
we're on the professional podcast network mideral, Hey, good seguy,
nice one.

Speaker 3 (04:18):
Did you type that up this morning?

Speaker 2 (04:20):
Type the shit out of that one?

Speaker 3 (04:22):
Guys, it's so exciting.

Speaker 1 (04:23):
We are now on mid Roll, the Midroll podcast network.
Very big deal, very fancy deal. We are very honored
and excited to be moving on up to.

Speaker 2 (04:34):
The East Side.

Speaker 3 (04:34):
Yeah, and on mid.

Speaker 2 (04:36):
Roll, but not without our fucking uh. You know when
you go and then you point to the Skylake. What's
up God? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (04:44):
Do you peace out to God? Well, do you piece
up to God?

Speaker 2 (04:47):
Peace up to God? You bless it all the way
out and you say thank you Farah Audio.

Speaker 3 (04:51):
Thank you Farah Audio. How long were you guys on there?

Speaker 2 (04:55):
God, I've been with them since they started, I think.

Speaker 1 (04:58):
Yeah, Pharaoh Audio gave us our huge kickoff. Thank you
so much to Jason Smith, Thank you so much to Dustin.
You guys were great and uh and we will miss
you dearly.

Speaker 2 (05:12):
And we'll support the fuck up shop out of you always.
There's so many good podcasts on there. Just change it
from fuck to shit fucking shit out of you now.
I said the fut Oh, it sounded like what did
I say?

Speaker 1 (05:22):
It sounded like you stopped yourself from saying we'll support
the fuck out of you and said we'll support the
ship out of you.

Speaker 2 (05:28):
I think I said we'll support the fuck and shit
out of you, which is.

Speaker 3 (05:32):
That's a lot of support you guys.

Speaker 2 (05:33):
Listen.

Speaker 1 (05:34):
Yeah, we're going to be on every podcast that they
do all the time anyway, because that's kind of how
podcasts works.

Speaker 2 (05:40):
They're only allowed to have us as guests on all
of their podcasts. Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 3 (05:44):
But yeah, man, so that's that news. No one cares
about stuff like that.

Speaker 2 (05:47):
We haven't said in a while, but like, we didn't
know this would be a thing, and we still don't
know this is a thing.

Speaker 1 (05:54):
This podcast. It's a large adjustment. We're doing our best.

Speaker 2 (05:57):
We're doing our bests not to think about it, right,
because we just love it.

Speaker 3 (06:02):
Uh, and we're just trying to do it.

Speaker 2 (06:04):
We're just trying.

Speaker 3 (06:05):
Uh, we're doing our best.

Speaker 2 (06:06):
Looking listen looking, listen looking, I'm just listen, gnashing words up.

Speaker 3 (06:11):
It's time and you got anything?

Speaker 2 (06:13):
Uh, elms is healthy. Good, let's get it. Let's get
We've missed a couple of weeks of this, so let's
get one. At the top. Elvis one cookie. Whoa, that's
how healthy he is.

Speaker 1 (06:25):
He was That was like Tom Jones level vocal pronounced
hi friend.

Speaker 2 (06:31):
And now the other question, because I can't get up
very health Stephen, will you give Elvis a cookie? Cookie? Yeah?

Speaker 4 (06:39):
Cookie boy?

Speaker 3 (06:40):
He's like hell yeah.

Speaker 2 (06:41):
So basically, he had the flu. He had the flu,
he had the plague that Dottie the Kitten brought. Yeah,
she's adorable. She's here, mem he's here, everyone's here. Oh,
good's back to normal. Nice, I do have something? Okay, okay,
so god, it feels like it's been so long. Yeah,
like the last time that we podcasts, remember, I was
like he had a brain hemorrhage and no bleeding or something. Yes,

(07:03):
we were talking about like what's a is a brain
hemorrhage this? Or is a brain talking about aneurysms. We're
going into the things and we're heard of but don't
know about it.

Speaker 3 (07:11):
We were speculating. Yeah, that's all we do.

Speaker 2 (07:14):
Well, it turns out that our friend Kara Klink, yes,
hilarious comedian, her brother is a brain surgeon what some sort.
But she never told me about that, and want me
to find out. Let's see, she texted me and said,
my brother is a neurologist, and he said, I'm listening

(07:35):
to my favorite murder and they're asking doctors who are
listening to weigh in on brain hemorrhage. Get me Georgia's
direct number. And I've met him and he's like this sweet,
normal kid, Like at a comedy party, you're like all
these fucking comedians and he's just like, hey, I'm a
brain doctor. Oh my god, hello, cute pull aside. I
know somebody. Okay, so he I was like, yes, I

(07:58):
needed to know everything. So she he's his name is Colin. Hi, George,
this is Colin, Kara's brother. Here's my little blurb on
cerebral hemorrhage. As you do, the goodness isn't neither of
you was wrong. Generally speaking, a hemorrhage just means bleeding,
usually profusely, but not always. For example, even a small

(08:20):
amount of blood in the brain can be disastrous, and
it's still called a hemorrhage, So cerebral hemage is just
a general term for bleeding in the brain. Lots of
different things can cause cerebral hemorrhage, including trauma or aneurysms.
As Karen pointed out, oh yeah, seeing like so Karen
was right, so are you.

Speaker 1 (08:37):
He's like a grammar school teacher encouraging us to learn.

Speaker 2 (08:41):
To just keep talking out of school, just to.

Speaker 3 (08:44):
Just to not give up.

Speaker 2 (08:45):
Cerebral hemmage can also lead a stroke, as you elluded,
He's like, Karen was right, Georgia, and here for you
to but blah blah blah. Also a clarification about aneurysm,
since it came up and aneurysm is just a bulging
of an artery due to weakness in the artery wall.
Plenty of people walk around with aneurysms every day. Can
you tell that I'm not practiced in speaking smart words?

(09:08):
Kanyurism is a hard word to say.

Speaker 1 (09:10):
All of my mouth hurts, right, and also the concept
that you just introduced is very difficult.

Speaker 3 (09:15):
I don't even want to talk about that.

Speaker 1 (09:17):
We're all walking. That's like the shingles virus is already
inside you. I don't want to know.

Speaker 2 (09:21):
The shingles virus is calling from inside that body.

Speaker 3 (09:25):
The shingles virus is sneaking up on you with a
big night but.

Speaker 2 (09:28):
You turn around and or you close the medicine cabinet
mirror and it's gone. But then it's on your backs.
I don't know. They only become hemorrhages when they rapture
and bleed into the surrounding tissue. Okay, so I said,
this is such great info. Thank you. I'll read it
for corrections corner next week, my pleasure. Blah blah blah.
Also apologies, send my apologies to Steve him. I ran

(09:49):
outside to him. I ran into him outside Kara's apartment
when I was in La last month and accosted him like,
excuse me, are you Stephen Ray Morris a big fan,
and I wrote, ha, loves that shit.

Speaker 3 (10:01):
Yeah, a big fan of Steven's editing.

Speaker 2 (10:05):
So nice. So yeah, that was because I did the
pizza bomber murder. And remember the woman who they thought
killed her ex boyfriend had sent him had an aneurysm.
But I was like, you can't get an aneurism unless
someone hits you. I don't know, I made some.

Speaker 1 (10:22):
Shit, right right right, Well, we have these ideas. It's
all from forensic files. It's all just sitting in our
brain from like a combination of forensic files in Law
and Order where you're like, oh, I know this, let
me take.

Speaker 2 (10:34):
This, let me take this, because I've taken every single
episode of Forensic Files and put them into one into
my brain. So I was like this one girl who
was dying of an aneurysm, who then put a bomb
of pizza around the neck of a parrot, who then
told then testified in court.

Speaker 3 (10:53):
So insane. Yeah, that was a really good case.

Speaker 2 (10:56):
That was a good case. What do you have anything?

Speaker 3 (10:59):
Just this one?

Speaker 1 (10:59):
And you know what I will I want to say
this and this is like I don't want to be
a big deal. But there was an article written on
bitch media and it was an article about this podcast
being racist, and there's been people who contacted us on
social media. I think feeling nervous about that are defensive.

(11:22):
And here's what I'd like to say about that article
and about that idea or feeling like, you know, I
don't like this, or I want you guys to know
that we like you, or whatever, And here's what I'd
like to say. Uh, we now live in a political
climate where neo Nazis are feel totally fine wielding their

(11:49):
ignorance out violence in the fucking street.

Speaker 2 (11:51):
Used to be ashamed of that.

Speaker 1 (11:53):
We live in a political climate where mosques are being
blown up, where black people are getting shot on the street,
where people are being deported away from their families. This
is a serious People of color are scared and they're upset,
and they have a right to be. And if anyone
who is a person of color here's something they don't like,

(12:17):
we want to hear about it, and we are listening.
We won't argue with you on social media, we won't
engage it, but we will do the thing that I
think is the most important thing for white people to
do right now, which is to take their ego out
of it and to take their reactivity out of it.
And it's hard to be told you're racist. It's hard
to be told that when you think you're so woke

(12:40):
or you think you're being an ally for someone to
stand up and go it doesn't work. We don't like this.
So I just want to say we are listening to you,
and we hear you, and we are your allies, just
so they know, yeah, because I don't want this thing
to start up of like anyone needs to fight or
that I want to support anyone who's trying to use

(13:03):
their voice to fight for equality.

Speaker 3 (13:05):
It's important, especially now.

Speaker 2 (13:07):
I agree. Or someone saying like, but they've said these
things and they've covered these cases, so they're not like those.
You know, it's not like you do a B and
C and then you're not racist anymore, or you're not
doing or saying racist things, or not even racist. It's
not even racist. It's things that are incorrect, like historically,
like when you're not supposed to say, you know, we're
learning every I'm constantly trying to learn what what I'm

(13:30):
doing that I even though I think I'm this fucking
woke person too.

Speaker 1 (13:34):
I don't know what I'm doing, and we do things
that we don't realize because its popular, this podcast is popular.
We do not want to propagate the negative media stereotype
of people of color. We do not want to do that.
If we do it, we want to stop doing it.
Any minority any anyway. I know how fucking hugely privileged
I am. And actually, this.

Speaker 2 (13:55):
Thing happened recently to me that kind of hit me
over the head even more so because I've always like, well,
I'm Jewish, so I kind of understand like some kind
of minority bullshit thing, right. But it's like recently I
went to this doctor. He's Jewish with like a very
Jewish last name, and he looked at my chart and
he was like, you know, finding out my history. And
I was like, well, I'm Jewish, blah blah blah. And
he was like he saw my last name and he

(14:16):
was like, wow, you're really lucky that you don't have
a Jewish sounding last name because you didn't get, you know,
the anti semitism that people who have Jewish last names get.
And I was like, oh God. This whole time, I've
been like well, I'm Jewish and it's the name Hard
Stark doesn't look Jewish, right, And so I missed this whole,

(14:37):
this whole level of anti Semitism. Yeah, and just because
of that, he was like, Oh, you just don't know
until you are told or you see it, what you're
not experiencing.

Speaker 1 (14:49):
And it's hard to it's hard to understand what you're
blind to. It's hard to know what you don't know.
And so the key is listening, the key is paying attention.
And then you hear this thing too of like it's
not there. It's not other people's jobs to teach us,
to teach you, and I right, don't like, don't we
can't be like, well, tell us what.

Speaker 2 (15:10):
We're doing wrong. That's not their job. And I know
it's really frustrating for a lot of people of color
to have to or to you know, the LGBTQ community,
to have to teach us. That's it's our job to learn,
not for them to tell us.

Speaker 1 (15:22):
So we just want those people who might if you're
still listening and you've ever felt othered or in any
kind of a reactive position like that because of anything
we've said on this podcast, that is the absolute last
thing we want to be happening. The best thing about
this podcast is the community that has grown up around

(15:43):
true crime and around it is it is the most
lovely thing to see in the world, and we want
people to be a part of that. We don't want
anyone to feel like they're not welcome, or they're not adored,
that they're not being listened to.

Speaker 2 (15:57):
And I think a lot of people who've been listening
to the beginning know that, because we'll always read emails
and letters from people who are like, here's what you did,
like even using the term sex workers. If you listen
from the beginning, we didn't say that we said prostitutes,
right because we didn't know.

Speaker 3 (16:10):
We didn't know.

Speaker 2 (16:10):
As soon as we find out, we correct ourselves and
admit that, not admit we say we did something wrong.
Here's an email from someone who is teaching us I
did it is telling us the correct the correct way
to do it, because they understand that we want to
learn right, you know, and.

Speaker 1 (16:26):
It's it's it's just a process and it's a flawed process.
But we I think it's important at this moment in
time that we identify ourselves as allies, flawed allies, yep,
that are doing their best, because because that's the key.

Speaker 2 (16:43):
I think.

Speaker 1 (16:44):
So yeah, I think we've been avoiding it for a
long time because it feels like the more you even
slightly interact that it's you're adding fuel to a fire
that you just don't want to be happening.

Speaker 2 (16:55):
Knowledge.

Speaker 1 (16:56):
But the truth of it is, like everybody feeling really
scared in the last couple of days because this fucking
nuclear war thing. Well, the thing that made me realize
is people of color feel like this every single day,
every single fucking day.

Speaker 2 (17:10):
I'm so glad you brought this up, Karen.

Speaker 1 (17:12):
I mean, it's it's just we live in a really
fucking scary time. But there's it's I don't know, let's
all let's all stick together.

Speaker 2 (17:22):
I guess the people who support each other, we we
don't have to feel like there's such a huge force
of people who are on a certain side and we
can't identify with each other. And you and I have
this a really fucking amazing opportunity out of nowhere. Like
we said, we didn't know this was gonna be a thing. Well, yeah,
thank you for bringing that up. Of course, I'm really

(17:42):
glad you did. Did it very eloquently. I've been thinking
a lot about about it a lot.

Speaker 3 (17:47):
Don't don't think a lot. Uh is there anything else?

Speaker 2 (17:54):
I feel like it's been oh uh like it's been
a while. It's God damn. I really quickly wanted to
go over just the dates that have been added and
the ones for people to go look at. All right,
I'm gonsa pe you some dates at you guys, really
quickly though, if you just want to go to my
favorite murder dot com slash live, there's links to there's

(18:14):
a list of shows and links to the actual tickets,
so you're not gonna get scalped or anything like that.
But so a couple of them have been added, and
to check out really soon. September sixth, which is in
less than a bricken month, we're going to be in
in Auckland, New Zealand Bruce Mason Center, so crazy, so
please go get those tickets.

Speaker 1 (18:35):
Yeah, Auckland, Hey, what's up? Meet us at Bruce Mason please.
You know, you go down to Bruce Mason to go
watch all your violin playing and stuff.

Speaker 2 (18:43):
So what they do there, I don't know. A picture,
I don't know. Bring me Auckland, New Zealand. Snacks please,
because all I want to do in Australia and New
Zealand is eat like hand pies and stuff and Tim
Tams and Tim TAM's. I'm so excited about my mood. Yeah,
it's going to be good. We added a second, a
fucking third show Melbourne and austral third, bad ass motherfucker
September tenth, which is again very soon. We've added a

(19:05):
third show at the Comedy Theater because you guys are awesome,
and we've added Oh, I'm sorry, who's playing the Sydney
Opera House we're in on September twelfth? Do you know
who's going to be playing?

Speaker 3 (19:18):
I believe it's you and I I believe you are.

Speaker 1 (19:21):
This is insane, right, this is my dad actually tried
to figure out a way to go with us. He
is so excited that we're playing the Sydney Opera House.
I don't know why it means so much to him,
but it really means a lot. I think it's because
he's gone to Sydney because he used to be a
purser on Princess cruises.

Speaker 2 (19:37):
What's a curser the.

Speaker 1 (19:38):
Guy that carries your bags that makes like That's how
my parents meant and.

Speaker 2 (19:42):
So they you don't know that story? Fucking kidding.

Speaker 1 (19:46):
My mom was a nurse and my dad was a
purser on like the Matts in Line, the purse, the stuff.

Speaker 3 (19:53):
And my mom was already engaged. And when they met,
my dad talked.

Speaker 1 (19:58):
About this actually at her funeral service, which was so sweet.
He said this second he saw her, he goes, she
was wearing a green sweater, and I knew I'm in trouble.

Speaker 3 (20:08):
I know it's not the best.

Speaker 2 (20:10):
So anyway, so did I not know that? I know
it's the best.

Speaker 1 (20:13):
So he there's a lot of like emotional attachment to
Australia and to Sydney.

Speaker 2 (20:18):
Did I really just make you cry? I'm getting my
period and my mets have been real screen lately, But
it's still the sweetest thing I've ever heard.

Speaker 1 (20:27):
It's kind of the best. And no, he wasn't going
to try to go with us, but he can't go.
Like they my parents met whereburn who gives a shit?

Speaker 2 (20:33):
They got divorced, but like your parents met, and he
really did follow through.

Speaker 1 (20:37):
They were Yeah, it's true. They were married for almost
fifty years.

Speaker 2 (20:40):
It's amazing or.

Speaker 1 (20:42):
Four yeah, yeah, like forty five years.

Speaker 3 (20:46):
I know it was.

Speaker 2 (20:47):
It was a good time.

Speaker 3 (20:49):
I mean, that's all it was.

Speaker 2 (20:50):
No, it was a wife, it was a life well lived.

Speaker 1 (20:52):
Okay, yes it really this was She got the man
of her dreams and she had a happy marriage and
two kids, one who had a pretty good podcast. Wait,
a podcast, children's lives.

Speaker 2 (21:04):
Her sister as a pH Oh happy birthday, by the way,
Nice move, Georgia. Laura, God damn it. Did you call her?

Speaker 1 (21:12):
Karen?

Speaker 2 (21:12):
Called her Sarah? And you know why because the only
reason I can remember her name is because you worked
with Sarah Silverman. Sarah Silverman's sister's name is Laura, so
I always think Karen and Sarah know Karen and Laura. Oh,
that's hilarious, that weird. I can't remember her name. No, no, no, no,
don't apologize to Laura.

Speaker 1 (21:30):
She'll think it's funny as long as you didn't call
her Karen, which is what happens to her all the time,
and it makes her really mad, really because people like
family friends will welcome, go are you Karen the comedian?
And she'll go, no, I'm Laura, the one that shapes
children's minds.

Speaker 2 (21:45):
She's a teacher because she's a genius teacher NBD, no
big deal. Okay those were no, I no, like, there's
a few more that are Oh shit, Stephen the Third's here.
Oh god, I just hung up on him. Ship Stephen.
Can you have everyone go down to the don't cut
this doing at the bottom of the stars ducked with

(22:06):
his can you yeah? Is this added it? Okay, but
don't stop it. Keep going. Bring the key to the
gate because sometimes they will lock you out. There's a
key like on the hook. No, no, no, yeah, just
bring hook.

Speaker 3 (22:24):
It's good.

Speaker 1 (22:24):
Also, can I just say, in this moment of chaos,
care well chaos as a ladder as we all learned
on Game of Thrones last week, No spoilers.

Speaker 2 (22:33):
Wait do you want to? But I said burgers and
then you can you can leave burgers in yeah, Dottie
Burger time. So Sydney Opera House September twelfth coming up,

(22:53):
and then oh, Detroit, we added a show to you,
which is so cool because people like, so we're gonna
mean Detroit September twenty ninth and September twenty ninth, there's
an early show in the late show. And then uh,
San Diego, we added a show because you're fucking awesome too.

(23:14):
September thirteenth, there's the late show. I'm then Anaheim. We're
coming to you on the fourteenth of October. Second show
at the Orpheum in Madison, Wisconsin, Wisconsin. You guys sold
out Friday the twentieth, so we're adding sept October the

(23:34):
twenty first, Saturday the next night, okay, and then Tampa.
We have November three for you at the hard Rock.
On the fourth, we have Orlando, and then Fort Lauderdale
on the fifth. Come there the Da da be boo.

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Speaker 3 (24:04):
More dates to come.

Speaker 1 (24:05):
There are people that tweet a lot, saying going naming
cities and saying, why do you hate us? You're going
to be so pleasantly surprised, is all I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (24:14):
These are all twenty seventeens that we've announced.

Speaker 1 (24:17):
We can't tell you certain things, but we're going to
be able to soon. So just have a little faith,
have a little hope. I would say the same thing
to the girl that tweeted me and said, you guys
didn't release a mini this.

Speaker 3 (24:30):
Week.

Speaker 1 (24:31):
Uh. And then she mentioned something about Unqualified. Oh uh huh,
we're unqualified to podcast. Uh Nope. She mentioned something about
on a Faris and I just thought it was such
an odd coincidence because we're going to be on Unqualified
with Honaffaris next week. We did a combo hybrid episode. Dooh,

(24:54):
we're a trio? Yeah, even we all compare well, actually
a quadro if you include Sam, who is her producer.

Speaker 2 (25:00):
Who was on herd another one with Stephen.

Speaker 3 (25:04):
Stephen was there too, He's a five.

Speaker 1 (25:06):
Oh.

Speaker 4 (25:07):
I mean I was just hanging out, just kind of
touching the leather couches.

Speaker 1 (25:11):
Just I mean, that was a nice but it was
really nice. We had a good time at Honest's house,
and we had we got to give people advice that
we were also unqualified to give.

Speaker 2 (25:21):
Anna gave a fucking her murder, which was awesome. Yes,
it is fun, so fucking cool.

Speaker 1 (25:26):
She's the best I've I've honestly always been a fan of Honest. Honest,
I've Honestlee the movie Just Friends. If you haven't seen
it with Anna Faris Ryan Reynolds.

Speaker 2 (25:39):
I don't know the name of the lead girl. Sarana
just distracted Juice so much.

Speaker 3 (25:44):
But if you haven't seen that movie, it's the best. Anyway.

Speaker 2 (25:47):
I've loved her since that movie. We're gonna be on that.
That's gonna be this coming week. Whatever that is, good time,
great oldies, great oldies. Also, besides Laura's birthday, Vince's birthdays
coming up this week. We got a big birthday. That's right,
Vince's birthday, my birthday date, the name of a date
of his location of his birthday party. Yes, that's great.

(26:09):
There's a reason I'm saying that that. I'm not gonna
say it because then everyone will actually know it. But
he's having a joint birthday party with some people, and
one of the people just puts it up on fucking
social media for everyone to know.

Speaker 3 (26:20):
I know the person.

Speaker 2 (26:21):
Yeah, the famous, the famousist of them is like, got it.
But last year Nick Lache was at his birthday party.

Speaker 3 (26:29):
Oh that's nice, right, all right?

Speaker 2 (26:34):
Murder.

Speaker 1 (26:34):
Oh yes, my neighbor just texted me and said he's
going to fix my fence tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (26:38):
Hell yes, everybody, he doesn't think fix my fence is
a wink wink, like break George's legs, like so she
can never get out again. Oh I'm sorry, that was horrible. Hi,
best friend, look at me, come right over me, me
being like, please get me the fuck out of here.
This kitten is killing me, you know, would be so funny.

Speaker 1 (26:58):
Though, Then she put her down in my house and
the dogs just come running at straight at her.

Speaker 2 (27:03):
But then hug her and hug her close to their chest.
Me would beat the ship out of them. Yes, for sure,
no shoe on. Frank would have no eyes left. He'd
see the way they throw the doll of me around
in the air, which I need to put on fucking
Instagram again. That that would meet me girl. Okay, Stephen, Stephen,

(27:23):
who have any idea his first?

Speaker 4 (27:25):
I tried really hard this time. It's Karen.

Speaker 2 (27:27):
Okay, damn it?

Speaker 4 (27:27):
Because well, I mean again, people are like, do the
live shows count? But that was the last episode Karen.
Karen went last, So Karen goes first.

Speaker 1 (27:34):
Okay, Yeah, I don't know if the live shows count.
We're creating our own reality here.

Speaker 2 (27:39):
I think the episodes we post count, right, but except
they're not real time to us.

Speaker 3 (27:46):
That's the weird part.

Speaker 2 (27:46):
How about after live shows? We get it, we get
to choose who goes first?

Speaker 1 (27:52):
Sure, but only only only on that day, like, only
on that scenario, which one that we.

Speaker 3 (28:01):
In the scenario where we have just posted a live show.

Speaker 2 (28:04):
Yeah, if we've just posted a live show because we
don't know, you know, so much going on? But okay,
so then haven't we rock paper scissors right now? Baby?
Basically a live show does a reset, is what you're saying.
That sounds fine to me. Hey, we do rock paper
scissors hit? Okay, papers hit? That means you get a
desire or just cut George's paper. I'm scissor, she's paper

(28:30):
scissors on paper song, which means Karen goes first. I'll
go first. Okay, that was unnecessary.

Speaker 1 (28:36):
There is a level of hysteria to this episode that
I am enjoying quite a bit.

Speaker 2 (28:42):
Because your dogs didn't get hit by cars, because my
dogs aren't dead. My name neighbor's going to fix my fence.

Speaker 1 (28:48):
Oh, I didn't even tell you guys about the sunburn
that I have if I had a smaller upper brandom.

Speaker 2 (28:55):
But like, oh, and I also didn't tell you what happened.
Can you see you're just not pale. Oh no, that's red.
Oh that's gonna be my whole back. What happened?

Speaker 1 (29:05):
I just stood outside for fifteen minutes like a fool,
like some sort of normal person with normal skin.

Speaker 2 (29:11):
I know you were that irish. Yeah, well I do
it where I'll save it, save it, save it.

Speaker 1 (29:16):
And then all of a sudden, I'm like, I love,
I'm going to go outside and stand in the pool,
and then I do it for like I'll start reading
my phone or something, and then I'm just standing around
with no sunblock on for like an extended period of
time at one o'clock, which is the you know you
can't do it.

Speaker 2 (29:31):
I didn't know that about you.

Speaker 1 (29:32):
Yeah, how I burnm hmm. That's why I don't like
all the life anything. That's why I don't like anything.

Speaker 2 (29:43):
It's like like photosynthesis, because we live.

Speaker 1 (29:46):
In a summertime city where everybody here has perfect skin,
and you're wearing right now, you're wearing a terry cloth
like summer jumper, like you're living the life where I.

Speaker 2 (29:58):
Am a nondescript jew who can tan.

Speaker 1 (30:01):
I know, and you like you have a consistency. My
right now, I look like Neapolitan ice cream. I am
deeply tan. I am frighteningly white. But here's what I
want you to know.

Speaker 2 (30:13):
There's a pinkness. Here's what you guys got to remember.
At people and how they look, and they have this
perfect thing. I am so fucking anxious and have so
much anxiety around the bathing suit strapped tan lines that
I am so insane in the sun that that's why
I don't have them. I don't look like this great
glowy tan. It's just no big deal. Like I will

(30:34):
not go outside with fucking straps on. Oh, Okay, you're
all different, Karens.

Speaker 3 (30:37):
So you work.

Speaker 1 (30:38):
You're saying you really put in the mental and the physical.

Speaker 2 (30:42):
Work, because I think nothing looks just trashier than having
like especially the Oh, I'm going to insult a lot
of people, you know, like.

Speaker 1 (30:49):
Including the one you're looking at right now.

Speaker 4 (30:52):
No, I'm not.

Speaker 2 (30:53):
I don't care about any of that. It's in the
triangle bikini tan line girl, that goes up around your neck. Well,
you don't wear a house. I've never seen a fucking
all I want aside from your if.

Speaker 1 (31:04):
I, all I want to do right now is take
my shirt off and show you it's not a farmer's
tan anymore. Now I've got the thing that's happening to
me right now is is like a lobster tan.

Speaker 2 (31:15):
But that's what. You have a fucking pool in your backyard.

Speaker 1 (31:19):
Let you just be like tits out right, So what
the fuck tits out fits out?

Speaker 2 (31:25):
Everyone who's looking for that backyard where they can break
into there's also a pool back there, and there's a
Karen kil Garff without uh No, I.

Speaker 1 (31:34):
Wear a full calf tan all at all times, except
for the fifteen minutes I didn't do it today, and
I'm now bright.

Speaker 2 (31:40):
I don't know where this is going.

Speaker 1 (31:41):
I don't have time, and yet all I want to
do is talk about this. All I want to do
is what if I did an episode without murder?

Speaker 2 (31:48):
We can do it.

Speaker 3 (31:49):
We must be thirty minutes in already forty five.

Speaker 2 (31:53):
Cut out the conversation we had while you were getting
the burgers, and we just talked about riots.

Speaker 3 (31:58):
It actually got quiet for a little while.

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Okay, we're going to know put this on this you
know how you can do it one point five speed
or two speed?

Speaker 6 (33:47):
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Speaker 2 (33:47):
Oh yeah, like all podcasts. Yeah, we're we're going to
talk like that.

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So if you put it on on times too, it's
going to be like times ten.

Speaker 2 (33:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (33:57):
This week I'm doing Peter Curtin The Vampire of Do Yeah,
you heard of him, you know him.

Speaker 2 (34:02):
It's one of those things that you book mark a
million times to maybe do and then you don't do it.

Speaker 1 (34:09):
There's another guy that's German that that was called like
the Werewolf of something that I thought this guy was
and so I was I thought it was going to
be like, I'm doing ten hundreds. You know that guy
you are If I was now, I'm not mind blowing.
But then when I look this up, this guy is
so fucked he is like Albert Fish level.

Speaker 2 (34:30):
Fuck.

Speaker 1 (34:30):
Oh my god, I go yeah, So it was exciting.

Speaker 2 (34:35):
I mostly took this. Most of the.

Speaker 1 (34:38):
Information is from the biography dot Com, which is such
a good when you get one of those articles they
do it.

Speaker 3 (34:44):
Here's the thing when you research.

Speaker 2 (34:46):
These stories, yes, you know who's good.

Speaker 1 (34:48):
Every victim is like one in one article, she's ten
years old. In another one she's thirteen, In another one
she's nine. And it literally one time she's seventeen. The
times change, the dates change, the age is changed. You
on biography biography dot Com and you're like, this is golden.

Speaker 2 (35:03):
There's canbiography dot Com, Vanity Fair, Washington Post, New York Times,
lock and Load, Lock and lockload dot com, Lock and
load dot com, and you are you have all the details.
You're good to go.

Speaker 1 (35:19):
Martha Stewart living, she knows all the good Killer into Okay.
Peter Curtin Bullen in eighteen eighty three, We're going all
the way back.

Speaker 2 (35:30):
You were like, I'm not doing that.

Speaker 1 (35:31):
I know immediately my own Nope. Right as I started
doing that voice, my sunburn flared and I was like,
no voices.

Speaker 2 (35:39):
One of your sunburn is like your psyche. That's like
shop on it, Caro stop.

Speaker 1 (35:44):
My sunburn is my dad's voice from my childhood, going hey,
show off times over all My dad did my whole
child Jesse pop Your dad is Jesseuzy really show ups
times over?

Speaker 2 (35:56):
Does he say stuff like that? It sounds like Jesse
our friend Jesse Poppy.

Speaker 3 (36:00):
Hey, hey that, And you're not better than me. You
think you're better than me.

Speaker 2 (36:04):
You think you're better than me? You're better than me?
Okay okay.

Speaker 1 (36:07):
Born in eighteen eighty three, Peter was the eldest of
thirteen children.

Speaker 2 (36:11):
Do them both parents.

Speaker 3 (36:13):
Severe alcoholic either please don't do it.

Speaker 1 (36:16):
Father a brutal sadist who had beat his wife, beat
the children, viciously molested his daughters, and would sometimes gather
the children and make them watch him have sex with
their mother. He was eventually arrested for raping his daughter
multiple times.

Speaker 3 (36:35):
So terrible, terrible kickoff.

Speaker 2 (36:39):
For Peter Kurt very bad childhood, all bad.

Speaker 1 (36:42):
In nineteen oh two, when he was nine years old,
he brief befriended a dog catcher who lived in the
same apartment building as him.

Speaker 2 (36:48):
Super chill did right. People who catch dogs and kill.

Speaker 1 (36:50):
Them right, Actually, this man would keep the dogs in
torture them, and he taught.

Speaker 2 (36:57):
Peter all about it. Is this so weird like themed
episode for you about dog catchers.

Speaker 1 (37:04):
This is called dog anxiety by Karen kill Garaff.

Speaker 2 (37:08):
This is why I am surrounded by cats right now? Yes, exactly?
So okay.

Speaker 1 (37:13):
So Peter having a terrible parent and then also his
father went off to jail, so he basically bonded with
the worst person he could ever be around. So terrible childhood,
terrible outside influence. When he was eleven years old, he
told the police that he was playing on a raft
with a school mate and he pushed the boy into

(37:35):
the water because he knew the boy couldn't swim, And
when another schoolmate saw this happen, the second boy jumped
into the water to save the first boy, and Peter
Curtain leaned down and pushed both their hood heads underwater
and drown them both and the police when the police
came upon it, they ruled it in accidental drowning.

Speaker 2 (37:57):
My mouth is I'm not just being quiet because I'm
not a quiet parton, and I'm only quiet when I'm shocked.

Speaker 1 (38:02):
It's a jar that's fucked up. The bar is a jar.
And nine years no sorry, eleven years old. It's so
it's like the age of my niece. It's so creepily young.

Speaker 2 (38:13):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (38:15):
So, then when he became an adolescent, his fetish for
animal cruelty developed into full on best reality. Thanks to
the old Dogcatcher, he began to have sex with barnyard animals,
and he then developed or progressed into killing the animals.

Speaker 3 (38:35):
While he was fucking them.

Speaker 1 (38:37):
No, no, no, no, we don't have to we don't
have to live there for very long.

Speaker 3 (38:41):
Let's move on.

Speaker 1 (38:44):
He of course, was always running away from home to
get away from his father's violence and sadism, but then
he always ended up having to come back. When he
was sixteen, on his way out of town, one time,
when he was running away, he met a woman. He
lured her into the local park, where he raped her
and strangled her. Okay, so in nineteen thirteen, at the
age of twenty, he's out on his own, he starts robbing.

(39:07):
You know, he's doing a lot of petty crimes. I
guess he starts breaking into taverns because there's a business
on the downstairs, then there's living quarters on the upstairs.
So on May twenty fifth, nineteen thirteen, he breaks into
an establishment that's owned by the Klein family. So as
the parents worked downstairs, Peter Curtin snuck into their living

(39:32):
quarters upstairs, found ten year old Christine Kleine asleep in
her bed, raped or strangled her, slit her throat, then
sat there and watched her bleed out. The next morning,
he returned to the scene of the crime. He went
to the pub across the street, and he bought a
drink and sat amongst the locals and listened to them

(39:53):
as they talked about what happened and speculated about who
did it.

Speaker 2 (39:57):
But how old was he at this point twenty.

Speaker 1 (40:01):
And at the time, an uncle in the Klein family
and the father who owned the pub had been fighting,
and the uncle had threatened his brother and said, like,
I'm going to do something that you're going to regret.

Speaker 3 (40:16):
So for a little everybody.

Speaker 1 (40:17):
Thought the uncle did it, and he actually eventually was
let off, but he was actually a main suspect in
this murder. Two months later, he broke into another tap tavern.
At this time, three sisters were sleeping in their beds.
He went to the girl in the center bed. She
was seventeen year old Gertrude Franken, and he strangled her

(40:40):
while she slept.

Speaker 2 (40:42):
He killed her.

Speaker 1 (40:43):
And then snuck back out.

Speaker 2 (40:45):
Neither of her sisters woke up, kind of like specifically,
specifically evil thing to do, horribly, like I'm letting them
wake up to this, yeah, purpose, yeah, on purpose. No,
he he is a deranged mind. It's it's all the worst.

Speaker 1 (41:03):
Things combined, because clearly he already was a sociopath, but
then he had the worst childhood a human being could
possibly have, the worst family a human being could possibly have,
the worst outside influence, like it just came at him
from every direction. In nineteen thirteen, he was arrested for ARSON,

(41:25):
So we're he's all about that McDonald triad. They call
it of hurting animals arson.

Speaker 2 (41:33):
He probably was a triad. I saw that word today too,
and I'm looking something up.

Speaker 1 (41:37):
Yeah, that's I think that's the person that made it up,
the McDonald's TRIADQ cheeseburger.

Speaker 2 (41:47):
Killing animals specialist sauce. Light all that shit on fire
and then light it all on fire with jes.

Speaker 1 (41:55):
Okay, with each success successive sentence Peter Curtain's rage.

Speaker 3 (42:00):
This is a direct quote from the biography channel page.

Speaker 1 (42:03):
As I'm reading this, I'm like, this is hard to read, oh,
because it's a cut and paste. Peter Curtain's rage against
society and his capacity for depravity increased, so when he
would go to jail, he gets sent to solitary confinement,
which I'm sure Chill is back right.

Speaker 2 (42:18):
Well.

Speaker 1 (42:19):
When he was there, he was able to very deeply fantasize,
very vividly about the brutal sex acts that he enjoyed,
and so then he ended up he would break prison
rules intentionally so that he would get the longest sentence in.

Speaker 3 (42:35):
Solitary confinement because he liked it so much. It's disgusting, okay.

Speaker 1 (42:41):
He was called up from military service at the start
of World War One, but he deserted and he was jailed.
He remained in prison until nineteen twenty one, which was
his longest sentence to date. And when he get out
of prison, he married an older woman, a sex worker
who he knew, who had served time for killing her fiance.

(43:03):
Her name was Augusta. They were a great pair. They
found real love. They found love in a in a
what a helpless homeless place, a homeless place. He became
he became a molder. I think that, so he maybe
shaped crown moldings places castor plaster, castor plaster. They lived

(43:26):
in relative normalcy for four years and then they moved
back to Dusseldorf, and right around that time, rapes began
being reported all over the city. Okay, so now he's
going into it. We're in nineteen twenty nine, now, February third,
he meets a woman named Maria Kohn. He ends up

(43:47):
stabbing her twenty four times with a pair of scissors.
So this now he starts carrying a pair of scissors
around with him at all times. He is not an
organized killer like I think they're saying, like he's he's
an impulse killer.

Speaker 2 (44:05):
But he so he like.

Speaker 1 (44:07):
He knows who he wants to kill, and he plans
that a little bit beforehead, but he doesn't.

Speaker 2 (44:11):
Plan anything else, like there it is, and goes for it. Yeah,
but he knows what he's looking.

Speaker 1 (44:15):
But he's got his scissors in his pocket because he's
like wants to be ready. Sure, Okay, So February ninth,
nineteen twenty nine, five days after attacking Maria kun, he
strangles nine year old Rosa Olager stabs her all over
her entire body. He leaves, then returned to the body
hours later and sets it on fire. Monster On February thirteenth,

(44:38):
he stabs forty five year old mechanic Rudolph Sheer twenty
times with his scissors. He returns to the team of
the crime again and this time speaks to detectives about
what happened. The German press obviously is covering all of
this right and and at one point they find out

(45:02):
from police that the police are theorizing that this attacker
is drinking the blood of his victims, and so that's
when the German press dubs him the Vampire of Duseldorf. Now,
at one point, right around this time, a learning disabled
man named Stausburg admitted to all of the vampire killings.

(45:23):
So he's committed to an asylum and the police have
convinced himself that the case is solved. Six months after that,
on August eleventh, he asks a woman named Maria Hahn
to a date at a pub. He gets her alone,
rapes her, strangles her, stabs her to death, buries her
body in a cornfield.

Speaker 3 (45:45):
He visits the body.

Speaker 2 (45:47):
So for him, right bearing body, Yes, because he's almost like, oh,
I got away with this, so I'm going to be
different about it.

Speaker 1 (45:52):
Yes, it's escalating and he's like getting creative.

Speaker 2 (45:56):
Because someone got caught for his shit. Maybe it's almost
smart that, you know what I mean, Like it almost
shows that how smart he was right where it's like
you didn't keep doing the same thing you were like.

Speaker 1 (46:07):
He changed it up, and he does it again, the
same thing again. Later, he buries the body in the cornfield,
goes and visits it, visits it a bunch of times,
and eventually sends an anonymous letter to the police revealing
her burial spot. So three days later, after he murders

(46:30):
Maria Hahn on October twenty fourth, nineteen twenty nine, he's in.

Speaker 3 (46:35):
A suburb of Germany.

Speaker 1 (46:37):
Two foster sisters are attending a fair together, fourteen year
old Louisa Lensen and five year old Gertrude Honeker, and
Peter Curtin sees them there by themselves, so he chats
with them, He charms them, he makes friends with them.
At one point he sends Louisa off for cigarettes, then
leads five year old Gertrude into the bushes, strangles her

(47:00):
and slits her throat. So the next day he attacks
another woman. Her name's Gertrude Schuldt. She survives the attack
and she gives the police a description of her attacker.
She says he's a pleasant looking man in his forties.
So now, after all of these attacks, the entire city

(47:20):
of Dusseldorf is in a panic. In September of nineteen
twenty nine, he rapes a house servant named Ida Router
and then beats her to death with a hammer and
leaves her body next to a river.

Speaker 3 (47:33):
So he's changing his m O again.

Speaker 1 (47:37):
The next month, on October twelfth, he meets another servant girl.
Her name was Elizabeth Dorieer, and he asks her out.
They walk along a river and he hits her in
the head with a hammer. He rapes her, beats her
to death with the hammer, and leaves her body there
by the river. A few days later, he attacks two
more people with his hammer, but they survive, so basically

(48:00):
now he's causing mass hysteria in Duseldorf. The press is
going crazy and he loves it. He's eating it up.
On November ninth, nineteen twenty nine, he sent a newspaper
a hand drawn map that detailed the position of the
body that he left his most recent victim, a five

(48:21):
year old girl named Gertrude Alberman.

Speaker 2 (48:23):
How many Gertrudes are there?

Speaker 3 (48:24):
There's three.

Speaker 1 (48:25):
I think there's more, there's three or four because it's
Germany in the thirties and twenties.

Speaker 2 (48:32):
Go on.

Speaker 1 (48:33):
He stabbed this five year old thirty five times and
then hit her under some rubble, and then after he
did that, he waited around an angry mob formed when
they found out that another little girl had been murdered,
and he joined the mob and protested along with Oh,

(48:54):
so it's that to me, that move right there is
what I'm in it for, because it feels like if
you took pictures of every crime scene, of the people
that were lined up, you could see the people who
were responding like totally that thing of serial killers where
they need to go back and they have to like revisit,

(49:14):
and they met.

Speaker 2 (49:15):
At the cops know about stuff because they enjoy it.
They're smarter, Yeah, they are smart in a way. In
a way, yeah, because they're psychopaths. And our brains would
never think that way because we could never imagine these
things happening. We'll also those things.

Speaker 1 (49:32):
That thing that we learned where it's like they don't
feel anxiety, so they don't get nervous, and we're always
measuring other people against how we feel.

Speaker 2 (49:39):
It looks nervous over there, yeah, where it's like, no,
they wouldn't be nervous.

Speaker 1 (49:43):
They would walk right up to and be like, I've
seen So I would like to report something that I've seen.

Speaker 2 (49:49):
It's so dark, my god, Can I tell you? Yeah,
I'll tell you later. No, No, tell me. Well, I was
in my murder. I was reading this thing and they
had like in one of the articles, it was like,
here's a riddle to see if someone's psychopath or not.
If they understand that, if they can get this riddle
and fix it, then they're a psychopath or some or
a sociopath, whatever the fuck you want to hear it. Yeah, okay.
A woman goes to her sister's funeral. Have you heard this?

Speaker 1 (50:14):
No?

Speaker 2 (50:14):
Okay, woman goes to her sister's funeral. At the funeral,
she meets a man and she falls in love with him,
but she loses track of him, and he leaves, and
she doesn't know who he is. She doesn't know his name.
A couple weeks later, she kills that woman, kills her brother.
Why did she kill her brother?

Speaker 3 (50:30):
Her brother?

Speaker 2 (50:30):
Mm hmm, goes to her sister's funeral, meets a man,
falls madly in love with him, doesn't know who he is.
He leaves. A couple weeks later, she kills her brother.
Why because it's her father. No, that's always the answer
to what it. I know. That's why I thought too,
And this means you're not associo. Okay, So she can
see the man again, whoa whoa yeah, because she's like, well,

(50:57):
if he came to my sister's funeral, he knows us.
I really want to see him again. I'm gonna kill
my brother. And he's like, like, so the person who
would be able to fix that Stephen, Stephen now just
got it, Stephen, It's Stephens. Was that your answer, Stephen? No,
Steven's an extra.

Speaker 3 (51:12):
He's sleeping on the floor because he didn't get it.

Speaker 5 (51:15):
Tell it late.

Speaker 2 (51:16):
I'm not meaning what you see. And I think you're
just very angel. No, you're not slow, You're not a
fuck you know what I mean? Yes, that's crazy. A
yawning trick, or if you yawn and someone doesn't yawn
catch your yawn.

Speaker 1 (51:27):
Okay, let's just be careful with this trick. It's because
then fake it. But imagine if you're standing there and
then someone like turns to you with like their reptile
eyes and goes like, oh, because he'd want to see
her again, and then you're like, oh shit, I'm in
the elevator with this person.

Speaker 2 (51:41):
Well, it's the same way when like when we did
when I think one of us told the whole thing
of like, if you yawn the person doesn't catch your yon,
it's because they have no empathy, and like we and
that was like an episode twenty whatever, and we still
get people like my cat didn't just yawn, right yeah,
and like and I was at the time. I was like,
Vince didn't yawn when I yawn? Yep, So like it's all, yeah,
what's the word party trick? However, it's a fun it's

(52:05):
fun time.

Speaker 3 (52:05):
It's a fun time. It's a good way to pass
the time.

Speaker 1 (52:07):
So also, if you're just really quick, if you are,
and it probably won't count now, but if you're if
you're going through the old back catalog and you're say,
a full year behind. Yeah, you can hold those corrections.
You can just keep those to yourself, because you can.
We rest We assure you we've been correctly with you.
We've seen dear Zachary everyone. Every once in a while,

(52:30):
the people just tweet me trophy and I'll be like,
we fucking know that's not even from ten episodes ago.

Speaker 2 (52:38):
We've done it.

Speaker 3 (52:38):
I think we've done it like ten times.

Speaker 2 (52:40):
Whatever. Okay, listen, look, listen, look and listen.

Speaker 3 (52:43):
Okay, listen.

Speaker 1 (52:45):
Sorry, Okay, So the angry mob is worring angry mom.
But now here's the thing. So the police notice this
time that the handwriting that was in the letter of
the woman that was buried at the Cornfield believe Maria
what was her name, it matches the map that someone,

(53:05):
this anonymous person sent of five year old Gertrude's burial site.
And so the cops are like, hold on a second,
these like they're putting it all together. So finally, in
nineteen thirty one, knowing the police were close to catching him,
Peter Curtain confesses.

Speaker 3 (53:22):
His entire murder spree to his wife Augusta.

Speaker 2 (53:26):
She's like cool, She's like dangn and oh my gosh,
he tells.

Speaker 1 (53:33):
Her, you need to turn me in and you can
get a reward, like, let's do this so that you're
taken care of wo, so that my bad behavior doesn't
fuck you over, which is super weird, such a weird,
like he really loved his wife and was stayed loyal
to her, and I mean did not really because he.

Speaker 3 (53:51):
Was doing a terrible thing.

Speaker 2 (53:52):
But it's also like that he had a conscience or
he cares conscient conscience enough.

Speaker 1 (53:57):
To like.

Speaker 2 (53:59):
Tell her yeah, And most guys who like fuck make
out with someone at a party and she had on
their whatever, don't tell Yeah.

Speaker 1 (54:07):
He was like, listen, He's like, hey, Augusta, I'm a
real wild card.

Speaker 3 (54:12):
Guess what.

Speaker 2 (54:13):
Hey, You're not going to believe what I'm about to
tell you. I've ever heard of ten girls named Gertrude
killed them all?

Speaker 3 (54:19):
Damn? That was me.

Speaker 1 (54:21):
You know how everyone's just screaming at the top of
their lungs in the street all day and every.

Speaker 3 (54:25):
Day it's kissing me. It's me, Okay.

Speaker 1 (54:27):
So, once he was under arrest, he provides an astonishingly
detailed account of his string of crimes to Professor Carl Berg,
who is a distinguished psychologist who later published a confession
in a book called The Sadis. Curtin claimed seventy nine
individual acts of crime. In all, he went to great

(54:48):
lengths to convince the authorities of his guilt. His memory
was nearly photographic. Oh my god, so his recollection of
each offense provided him with great pleasure. And in his trial,
which started on April thirteenth, nineteen thirty one, Induseldorf, he
was brought up on nine charges of murder seven attempted murder.

(55:13):
He initially retracted his extensive confession, claiming that he'd only
said that to ensure his wife's financial security, but then
there was such an overwhelming amount of evidence that he
eventually just pled guilty. It took the during ninety minutes
to return a verdict of guilty on all counts. He
received nine death sentences and he was executed by guillotine

(55:37):
on July second, nineteen thirty one, in Cologne. And during
his trial, I think this is very interesting, he was
made to sit in a cage in the courtroom so
that the family members of the victims didn't attack and
kill him. Yes day, Peter Curtain the Vampire of Duseldorf
and the Monster of Dusseldorf.

Speaker 2 (55:58):
That was fucking good, Karen. Thanks considering probably never gonna
go to Dieseldorf, Germany too. I'm glad you did it
on the podcast and not at a live show. That's right,
you know, you.

Speaker 3 (56:08):
Never know though you don't know.

Speaker 1 (56:09):
These Germans were like, oh no, it's acting well tuned, baby, Yeah,
should we do it?

Speaker 2 (56:20):
Let's do it. How do you do you want to
check your I'm gonna pee. Do you want to check your.

Speaker 7 (56:26):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (56:26):
Yeah, here we go. Okay, double time.

Speaker 6 (56:46):
Hold on, I'm sorry that order Oh god, okay, Jesus
so I can't get it with its.

Speaker 2 (57:06):
Suckers are not in order? You know what, Hammy, because
can you have you a computer? I'll just read off
the computer. Sorry, it's okay, thank you. Fucking printer.

Speaker 1 (57:18):
Fucking printer. I did numbers right before I printed page.
I did page numbers. Why don't they I know it
should be automatic. You should opt to take them off,
not put them.

Speaker 2 (57:30):
On, right I need basically okay, okay, all right, I'm
just gonna get started on this one, even though I
have some thoughts on it, but I think it's best
to just like, let's get into this. Okay, you ready
for the murder of the family of Jeffrey McDonald.

Speaker 1 (57:50):
Oh, yes, you know this one. This is the one
I thought the other one was. Yes, this is the
one I thought the way the doctor.

Speaker 2 (57:59):
Yeah. Is this guy doctor too, Sam Shepherd? Yes, yes, yes,
this is not Sam Shepherd's family, but yes this guy
is a yes, yes, yes they're very similar.

Speaker 3 (58:08):
They're very Okay, awesome.

Speaker 2 (58:10):
Uh So I'm gonna just get into this and then
because this is all right. Jeffer McDonald. He's in high school.
He's voted most popular and most likely to succeed. He's
senior class president, captain of the fucking football team. Hot
like well liked popular dude in the In the made
for TV movie Fatal Vision Karen, he is played by

(58:33):
a young Gary Cole.

Speaker 1 (58:35):
Oh yes, very cool, right on those twops reports by Friday.
Remember office Space? Yes, go have to go ahead and
now have you come in on Saturday.

Speaker 2 (58:46):
This is what I was going to ask you what
he was from, because I didn't know, and I knew
you'd know mostly Office Space. Yes, I mean, that's his
greatest role of all time, definitely except for Fatal Vision
except for Fatal Vision, where he plays a young Jeffrey McDonald.
After high school, he gets a scholarship to fucking Princeton
and while he's there so jealous, he's fucking better than that.

(59:06):
What do you know? Stuff gets a scholarship to Princeton Mary,
and then while Mary's his high school sweet heart Collette Stevenson,
she is played by Wendy Shall.

Speaker 1 (59:18):
Okay, and Fatal Vision. So you watch Fatal Vision, is
what you're telling me?

Speaker 2 (59:22):
Yeah, but I also knew that you would have questions
and I wouldn't even and I just like, also, don't
ever know who's going to strike your fancy.

Speaker 3 (59:29):
True, and you just want to be ready.

Speaker 2 (59:31):
Yes, So I have a couple more characters, love it
all right. After high school he bros to prince in
Mary's Collette Stevenson. He goes to medical school and then
he joins the army. He becomes a Green Beret captain,
which is a big deal, and a doctor in the Army.
So by twenty six years old, the couple, along with

(59:53):
their two daughters, Kimberly aged five and Kristin age two,
moved to the prestigious Fort Bragg, North Carolina, which is
an army base, but it's also open to the public,
which I didn't know that. Yeah, it's a very famous
army base. Right, yeah, twenty six years old and you've
done all this stuff. You must be sciopath. No, all right,
So here is his story. I'm going to start with

(01:00:15):
his story. It's a cold, rainy night on February sixteenth,
nineteen seventy. They are in their ground floor apartment. Four
and a half month old pregnant Collette and two year
old Kristen are asleep in the master bedroom, and Kimberly
is asleep in her room. She's five. Jeffrey goes to
try to go to bed, and he finds that Kristin

(01:00:37):
had wet his side of the bed in the master bedroom,
so he brings her back to her own bed, and
he goes to sleep on the couch because he doesn't
want to disturb everyone and make the bed again, all right,
So he's asleep on the couch and then he is
awoken while he's on the couch by Collette shouting jeff
why are they doing this to me? And Kimberly screaming daddy, Daddy, daddy.

(01:00:59):
He opens his eyes on the couch and sees four
figures standing over him, a black man in a fatigue
jacket with sergeant stripes on the sleeve, two white men,
and a woman wearing a floppy hat over stringy blonde hair.
She's holding a flickering candle in front of her face
and his chanting acid is groovy, Kill the pigs. Jeffrey

(01:01:23):
begins to rise and the black man brings a club,
crashing down on his head. A second later, McDonald felts
a sharp pain on the right side of his chest
and he looks down and he sees an ice pick
blade that had been stabbed into him. He tries to
wrestle the guys, and despite the fact that he's a
Green Beret, which one of their things is to be
training clandestine gorilla force, they're still able to fight him

(01:01:46):
and pull his pajama top over his head and onto
his wrist, so he's got his arms up but with
the pajama top, he's holding his wrists together and he's
trying to fend them off, but they keep trying to
stab him, and then the black man keeps clubbing him,
and finally he falls unconscious at the steps of the
hallway that lead to the bedrooms. So he had been

(01:02:08):
overpowered in this vicious struggle with hippies with a drug
crazed hippies. Acid head, acid head kill the pigs, kill
the pigs right, acid heads as they yell as they
are known to yell. When he comes to Karen, he's
on the stairs. He gets up and stumbles to the

(01:02:29):
master bedroom and finds Colette sprawled on the floor with
the handle of the knife sticking out of her chest.
He pulls the knife away and he throws it aside,
and he covers her body with his pajama top that
he had removed from his wrist at that points and
tries to give her mouth to mouth. What a good guy?

Speaker 1 (01:02:45):
Right? Wait?

Speaker 3 (01:02:46):
Okay, what no?

Speaker 2 (01:02:47):
No, go ahead? No, yeah, you're right, you're correct. That
how grows.

Speaker 3 (01:02:51):
I mean, if somebody has been stabbed to.

Speaker 2 (01:02:53):
Give him mouth to mouth, Yeah, that's not gonna work,
Is that what you're thinking?

Speaker 3 (01:02:56):
Yeah, And I just don't think most people do that, right.

Speaker 2 (01:02:59):
Well, he's a surge into Oh no, no, he should
know what that wouldn't.

Speaker 3 (01:03:03):
That wouldn't help work?

Speaker 2 (01:03:05):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:03:05):
Right, yes, okay.

Speaker 2 (01:03:08):
So Collette has been struck at least six times in
the head with a blunt object. One of them causes
this fracture to her skull. She had nine deep knife
wounds at the front of her neck, seven deep knife
wounds to her chest, and twenty one puncture wounds to
her chest area. Her chest is also bruised from what
looked like an object that had been thrust into her chest.

(01:03:30):
On the headboard of the master bedroom, someone had to
use one of their fingers to write the word pig
in her blood. McDonald Jeffrey MacDonald. I kind of hate
saying their last name instead of their first name because
it makes, you know, like saying Jeffrey makes it so
much more personal. Do you know what I mean, Like
in all of these murder stories we do. Yeah, So

(01:03:51):
Jeffrey pulls the knife out, puts it to the side,
and then tries to give her mouth to mouth in
her bedroom. Kristen, who was two years old, she has
twenty two gaping knife wounds to her upper back, four
wounds to her chest, and one to her neck. There's

(01:04:11):
fifteen shallow puncture wounds found in her chest, as well
as the multiple cuts on both of her hands. Like
she's trying to defend herself. Oh, I know, it is
fucked up in her bed. Kimberly had been struck at
least three times in the head with the blunt object,
and her skull showed multiple fractures. Steven looks like he's

(01:04:32):
gonna pass the fuck out right now.

Speaker 3 (01:04:34):
It just doesn't make sense.

Speaker 1 (01:04:35):
It's like, why would any hippies or people any otherwise
of all the things you want to do, like you
want to rob people, you want to murder whatever. And
I mean, I just got done talking about the vampire
of Dieseldorf, who did exactly this. But it's a rare
person who can stab a baby multiple times.

Speaker 2 (01:04:54):
And the breaking and entering thing like not being a
sadistic child killer, not being a or a pedophile, and
these things just happen in the house seems so weird.
And this is why I'm starting with So I just
wanted to start, which is this is a great place
to say, like this is the story he told, all right,
So like this this story is so fucked up and insane,

(01:05:15):
and I've heard it so many times, and when I
finally decided to do it, I am not doing it
in a way that's like, here are the facts, and
this is what happened, which you can which are incredible
and interesting and crazy, and there's a great episode of
Generation Why where they cover this case and it's it's
it's point by point and it's really good. And they're
coming from the same place that I am, which is
that he clearly fucking did it. So here's his story.

(01:05:38):
I'm not going to get into all the insane facts
of the trials that happen. I'm going to go in.
I'm going to do his story. What happened, then, what
is most likely the real story? Okay, so this is
why I'm saying it so dramatically, which I normally don't do. Right,
this is such a fucking bullshit made up story.

Speaker 1 (01:05:55):
Yeah, yeah, I can tell with your there's there's a
hint of sarcasm, right, and then there's some drama in
it that I.

Speaker 3 (01:06:00):
Know that you hate this person, right, And essentially.

Speaker 2 (01:06:03):
What's yeah, I'm so bad at I can't lie if
I hate you, you'll fucking know. What's so incredible about
this is that there's still an argument about whether or
not he did it, which I think, right when I
get done with what really happened, you won't fucking believe it.
So Kimberly is in bed eight to ten deep kniphones
are found on the right side of her neck, so

(01:06:25):
the Collette, Kimberly, and Kristen are all dead. Then once
he wakes up, finds him dead. Jeffrey calls the operator
and says, we've been stabbed. People are dying. People are dying. Yeah,
not my wife and my children. We've all been stabbed.
People are dying.

Speaker 1 (01:06:45):
Some people are dying. Yeah, we yeah. It is so
fascinating when they break that stuff down of like all
those micro you know, micro expression people that know the
word and we've talked about that in other things. Definitely
when you use certain words in what it means, the
word choice.

Speaker 2 (01:07:03):
Like even just the breakdown of you know, Patsy or
Patsy Ramsey's nine to one call about John Maine and
the ransom letter quote unquote of v Doomine fascinating and
this is another one of those. There there is a
breakdown of his call as well as when he is
interrogated later, of every single thing he says. And it's

(01:07:24):
fucking incredible And I wish I could have included the
whole thing, but it would have been three episodes, so
I'm not okay, but let's just.

Speaker 3 (01:07:31):
Do it right Okay, let's just you know what, let's.

Speaker 2 (01:07:33):
Just go overah. When they arrive, they find the sole survivor,
Jeffrey MacDonald, lying with his arm around Collett and the
master bedroom, unconscious. So like he went and called. Then
he fucking positioned himself next to his wife. Okay. He
had sustained bruising over his eye, a superficial stab wound
in the arm and on his abdomen in the form

(01:07:54):
of an upside down V. Several small puncture wounds were
present on the up or left chest. None of his
wounds required a suturing. A neat and clean stab wound
was located between two ribs on the right side of
his chest and resulted in a collapsed lone. Oh right,
which is interesting. As they were guarning him out, he

(01:08:17):
whispers to the medics, four of them. She kept saying
acid is groovy, kill the pigs. Like he tells them
that dramatically. Right, all right, So then I wrote now reality.
So by the time the sun had risen the next day,
the Army's Criminal Investigation Division Division CID, which we're calling
it now, they didn't even believe Jeffrey's story, aside from

(01:08:40):
his minor injuries. There was no sign of an ice
pick puncture on him, despite the fact that he said
he had been stabbed by an ice pick. Also, there's
just a single fiber from his ripped pajamas. A single
fiber was found in the living room where the struggle
had ensued. That's all they found was a single strand
of his pajama from ripping. However, in the bedrooms there

(01:09:03):
were dozens of his pajama fibers, including several found beneath Collette,
others under Kimberly's sheets in her bedroom, and two more
in Kristen's room, one lodged under her finger. Now, oh, no,
his pajamas, which he had said he had stumbled into
collette the wife's room, taken his pajamas up and covered
her with it so he wouldn't even hat it when

(01:09:25):
he went into the kids room. Yeah, he claims he
performed CPR and all three of them, but none of
their mouths were open, and his daughters were tucked into
bed and lying on their sides. And he's a fucking surgeon,
so he would know that that's not how you give CPR. Yeah,
he originally claimed he didn't wash up before making the
call to the police, but there's no blood on the
phone he used to make the call, but there was

(01:09:48):
blood in the sink drain. Oh. Then the CID found
a blood smudged brand new issue of Esquire magazine in
the living room. So an article in the the Esquire
magazine details the drug christ hippies who had murdered Sharon
Tate just seven months before that. According to investigators, it contained.

(01:10:12):
The article contained eighteen similarities to the murders of Pullett
and the girls, including a blonde candle carrying hippie woman.

Speaker 3 (01:10:19):
You know, it's funny.

Speaker 1 (01:10:20):
I was thinking Patty Hurst because there's that famous picture when.

Speaker 3 (01:10:25):
Patty Hurst with her hat on.

Speaker 1 (01:10:28):
Did she wear a hat into the bank? I can't remember.

Speaker 2 (01:10:32):
I just see her with like a pulled down low hat,
but she had a but she did have.

Speaker 1 (01:10:36):
A wig on it. Yeah, so she had like but
I guess it wasn't blonde hair. But there was a
black man with an army jacket. My god, carrot, that's
what I.

Speaker 3 (01:10:46):
Was thinking of.

Speaker 1 (01:10:47):
But I mean, it's all the same thing where it's like,
but I don't that was that in nineteen seventy or was.

Speaker 3 (01:10:51):
It before or after? Maybe he's psychic anyway.

Speaker 1 (01:10:54):
It's like clearly, it's just like these three things have
been in the media, and there were he.

Speaker 2 (01:10:58):
Was just like, like, I've driven around, there's a hippie,
there's a like, yeah, it's the thing of like, and
I read a lot about Reddit things where were like
the acid is groovy. Sure, that's something we said, like
and a you know, acid is so groovy, we said groovy.
Kill the pigs was a totally different sect of people.
Those were the crazy left wing you know, fuck the

(01:11:19):
police people who weren't the same as the hippies. So
it's something that like a straight laced military man would
be like, here's what here's what hippies say.

Speaker 1 (01:11:26):
Here's what drug crazed hippie say, especially someone that's reading
up on the Manson murders, because death to the pigs
or whatever that thing was a part of it too.

Speaker 2 (01:11:35):
Someone said someone in when they were talking about that
and they read an article they were like, it's like
if today someone were trying to blame hipsters on something
and said they kept saying, uh, the first album was better,
the first album, the first album was the best, and
nobody fucking really says that that's what you think. We said,
it's just this like insanity, which I really love because
I hadn't even thought about that. Okay. They found that

(01:11:58):
the word pig that was written in blood on the
on the headstand had been written and using a surgical glove,
which were found in the house, and the weapons had
all come from inside the house. And then the weapons
were thrown in a bush right outside the house, almost
like someone opened the back door and like if there
were four people at least who were committing something, they'd

(01:12:21):
all run out and put their put their fucking weapons
into the same bush, no pre agreed bush before they
went in, put it down to walk away. Guys.

Speaker 1 (01:12:29):
This is the this is weapon bush.

Speaker 2 (01:12:32):
Please weapon bush. Even that's the end of the episode.

Speaker 3 (01:12:35):
This is our new.

Speaker 2 (01:12:38):
That's what I'm gonna call it, Okay, going on under
a bush and the okay, so howmever, listen, there's always
a helmemever, you know, got to gotta have a helmeover.
Someone made a shirt that just says Helmever on it.
Really it makes me so happy. So of course my
name is not of course that's okay, that out steep, No,

(01:13:01):
don't get it out. Many mistakes were made during the
investigation from failing to seal off the crime scene. So
twenty six people trampled through it before it was finally secured,
which is a kind of a normal thing in the seventies.
I feel like, yes, that happened all the time, and
they didn't know it was happening. They showed up, it's
pouring rain, they run in, they seat bodies, they have
to take one out. It's there's gonna be a lot
of people coming through. Yeah, but the fucking ambulance driver

(01:13:23):
stole Jeffrey McDonald's wallet from his desk. What Yeah, No,
you poinked it right off the fucking desk.

Speaker 1 (01:13:31):
Wait, it's this an ambulance driver, not on the on
the army base.

Speaker 2 (01:13:36):
I don't think so. I think they just I don't know.
It's just outside of an army base. But there's a
hospital that's I don't know who it was, but bold
move the ambulance walking with a garny thelink, you know
what I mean. Like I had a problem, like being
fired from his job hopefully, and like the next day
the garbage man, they like were like, yeah, go ahead
and take the trash away. Oh the trash out. No

(01:14:00):
on that. No, they also allowed.

Speaker 1 (01:14:02):
CIS would have never made that mistake starring Mark Harmon.

Speaker 2 (01:14:07):
Whenever I think of Mark Harmon, I think it's the
what's the Olympic diver? Or what's the guy from.

Speaker 3 (01:14:14):
Game is the one who hit his head?

Speaker 2 (01:14:15):
Yeah, what's the guy from Star Wars? His name Luke? No, No,
it's father, What's no, what's what's Luke's name in real life?

Speaker 3 (01:14:26):
Mark Marmon, Hamill, Damn, he s a Hammond.

Speaker 2 (01:14:29):
I always say.

Speaker 1 (01:14:30):
It's Mark Harmon. I think it's him. Oh, oh yeah
it's not. There's why there's.

Speaker 2 (01:14:37):
But this is why I tell you the names of
people who are playing that right and ask you to
fill in.

Speaker 3 (01:14:41):
You run it all by me?

Speaker 2 (01:14:42):
No idea trash McDonald home.

Speaker 1 (01:14:47):
Oh.

Speaker 2 (01:14:47):
They forty forty sets of fingerprints just were allowed to
be destroyed, and a bloody footprint was lost in the
process of removing it, which I just think of some
guy like slipping like it's a banana.

Speaker 3 (01:14:59):
Peel, you know, but he's trying to take a foot
print print.

Speaker 2 (01:15:04):
And then I was like, what someone knocks into him.

Speaker 1 (01:15:07):
Get those marbles out of here, mister bean. It's just
mister bean, goes of Marvel. Mister Bean will never process
a crime scene again. No, we're not making that mistake again.

Speaker 2 (01:15:19):
Never again. Sometimes I'm so busy talking that I don't
hear the funny thing after that's all I do still
the military. They formally charge Jeffrey McDonald with the murder
with the murders on May first, nineteen seventy, but at
this point, an eighteen year old drug addict hippie in

(01:15:41):
town known to police name Helena Stokely. She's known to
wear get this, a floppy hat, a blonde wig, and
like the same kind of look drug addict hippie. She
confesses that herself and various people around town did the crime.
I thought you were dangling the kitten in front of
it Elvis in the corner of my eye, see Stephen

(01:16:02):
dangling something from Elvis, And it's just it looks like
a kidney. Anyways, So she says, Oh, I was really
high on mescaline and acid that night. I think we
were there, remember these things from it. Here are three
accomplices that I think was there with me. One of
them turned out to be in jail while this was happening.
But she really throws a wrench in the whole thing.

(01:16:23):
The wig and the floppy hat heights the seventies. You
know who else own that? Collette? Oh no, So like
there's just no It just fucks this investigation up forever.

Speaker 3 (01:16:35):
Right right, And I wonder if that was intentional.

Speaker 2 (01:16:39):
Well, he made up a story and he got really
fucking lucky, That's what I think happened.

Speaker 1 (01:16:43):
I think so he made up a or could he
have made up a story and then given a wig
and a hat to a person in town that would have, you.

Speaker 2 (01:16:53):
Know, considering he was a doctor and he was also
like saw civilians, he might have already been aware of
her at some point. She came in with someone who knows.
But from what I can tell, she's a really unhealthy woman,
a girl drug addict mentally. Oh she ain't her teens,
she was eighteen, really not doing well, and so she

(01:17:13):
kind of seemed like someone who wanted, who needed and
wanted attention. Not in a mean way, but in a
desperate way. Right, So this whole thing got tangled up,
She got tangled up in it, which made his credibility,
which just made him seem more credible, which made people
question and introduced more doubt. Yeah that's the thing. Yes, Okay, okay,

(01:17:35):
so that means based on everything. The charges were dismissed
the following October because of insubbition evidence, and a couple
of months after the murder charges were dropped. Super Hot, charismatic,
really charming Jeffrey MacDonald appears on He Becomes Famous. Oh
he becomes like the Sam Shepherd, which is that everyone
loves himone knows him, and oh my god, he got

(01:17:57):
his poor guy, his wife and two children died and
you know that kind of thing. He appears on the
late night program The Dick Cavot Show. Although his celebrity
comes from his family's brutal murders, he doesn't seem like
he gives a shit. He's laughing, the audience is laughing,

(01:18:18):
he tells jokes. He criticizes the army investigators. No fucking way,
he has no idea, Like he is so charming and
sociopathic that he doesn't understand how bad this looks. You
know one of those people, Yes, that you're like, they
love me, Well, this is that's what Diane Downs did.
Members Yes, it's exactly that.

Speaker 1 (01:18:39):
And then when they talk about like as if everyone's
super concerned about them, only right, he doesn't.

Speaker 2 (01:18:46):
Bring up the fact that you know, collects parents have
lost their only daughter and grandchild and grandchildren. He's being
fucking mister funny man over here, and he's like celebrating
that he got let off on this amazing. It's disgusting.
But what's great about this is that up until this point,

(01:19:07):
Collett's mother and her stepfather, who I think raised Collette.
He's in it hard. Alfred and Mildred cassab how much
you will love Alfred and Mildred. You want to know
who plays them?

Speaker 3 (01:19:18):
Who?

Speaker 2 (01:19:19):
Okay? Alfred is played by Carl Malden. Yes, yeah, Streets
of San Francisco. I was raised on it. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:19:26):
The best TV show is that?

Speaker 2 (01:19:27):
The one where there's like all these couples and they
all hang out in there. No, that's love Boat. No,
what's the one from like the Night the San Francisco
nineties one nineties? Yeah, called Gay, gay People and straight
People and they're like, it's like, oh, that's the guy.

Speaker 1 (01:19:47):
Yes, that's the almost Ama pan Books.

Speaker 2 (01:19:51):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah something something.

Speaker 3 (01:19:54):
No, this was literally from the seventies.

Speaker 1 (01:19:56):
It was Michael Douglas and Carl Malden detectives Sanford, Cisco,
driving around shooting at people and like as they drive
on just randomly, they're a murderer, yes, butt cops And
as they drive around, it's just like your you get
to look at it's video footage. It's film footage actually
of my childhood because it's it's like, oh yeah, that's

(01:20:17):
that used to be there, that was there.

Speaker 3 (01:20:19):
It's the most fun TV show.

Speaker 2 (01:20:21):
Whenever I see an old la like you know, the
one where they drive around town, everyone go watch Los
Angeles Plays Itself. It's such an amazing movie documentary. Have
you seen it. It's like a three hour documentary perfectly
narrated about Los Angeles playing itself in movies. Wow, so
houses that are played in what movie backgrounds that are

(01:20:41):
pretending to be China? Or you know, downtown is supposed
to be this thing, but you can tell it's not
because of this landmark.

Speaker 3 (01:20:47):
It's I can't wait. Yes, I've never heard of that.

Speaker 2 (01:20:50):
Are you fucking? I have to see it, don't you? Drugs?
Get high and watch Los Angeles Plays Itself and I'll
see you in four hours. It's unbelievable. I gotta see it.
It's there. I watched it eight times and I've never
gotten past an hour because it's just so involved and
you fall asleep. Any saying okay, but Karl Malden. Mildred

(01:21:11):
is played by Eva sat Eva Marie st Eve.

Speaker 1 (01:21:14):
Marie saying yeah, yeah, my dad pretended he saw her.
It was one of my fears.

Speaker 2 (01:21:19):
Wait did you pretend he saw her when he was
carrying her bags on a ship and then he married
your mom?

Speaker 1 (01:21:25):
No, he was. I know I talk about my father
too much. He's really hilarious. We were pulling out my
dad and your dad, right, We were pulling out of Vaughan's,
and this woman walked in front of the car, who
was wearing a clear plastic high heel shoes. There was
a there was a real angeline feel to this woman,

(01:21:47):
a bit broke down, trying to be pretty later on
in life. In no way am I criticizing her. I'm
there with her. But as she passed the front of
the car, my dad goes Eva Marie Saint and pretended
to recognize and it's it was that happened four years ago,
and I'm still laughing.

Speaker 2 (01:22:03):
I think that would have made her day if she
thought that someone recognized.

Speaker 1 (01:22:07):
Like except for if she if she heard the sarcasm
in his voice.

Speaker 2 (01:22:10):
Oh, it was a bit Larry Larry Jim. Why do
I always call him Larry Jim Jim? Didn't you think
that I'm related to the Silverman's and I'm not. Is
that their dad's name? I know it could be, oh
Larry Silverman. My god, it actually might be shit. That
would be creeptastic. Okay, okay. So the parents are outspoken

(01:22:36):
supporters of Jeffrey through the whole trial everything. Alfred even
said that if he had another daughter, he would still
want Jeffrey as his son in law, which is creepy.
But once the charges are dropped and he starts seeing
all these little fucking creepy things, he's like, go.

Speaker 1 (01:22:49):
Fuck yourself, because like the psychopath mask finally came down.

Speaker 2 (01:22:54):
Finally, Yes, so he realizes that Jeffrey had been lying
to him about so many things, including Jeffrey told him.
Finally he was like, get off my back, man, here's
what happened. Myself and several several other green Berets. We
tracked down one of the killers and we put him.
We killed him. They told him they killed one of
the killers just to be like, we took care of it.

(01:23:14):
Leave us alone, Leave me alone. So because of his
crazy fucking like this guy I want, like, I'm pretty
sure that Vince is going to be like growing up
to be this guy. And it made me like kind
of love him where it was not Vince the other
guy obviously Levin Yes, yes, he was just like a dog.

(01:23:37):
Became an investigator, found everything wrong with his fucking trial
transcripts everything, He searched the house himself. He was a badass.
This is the dad Colletes, this is the step Dado
I think was with him forever. They're like one of
those cute old couples. Anyways, So with him and the
formation of the cid reinvestigation team, they indict Jeffrey. By then,

(01:24:02):
he was living at a lavish life in California as a
civilian doctor. He's like fucking chicks. He's got a yacht,
he's got a lot of money. He's famous because he's
the doctor who didn't kill people. Maybe. In nineteen seventy four,
McDonald is brought before the Jeffrey is brought before the
grand jury in North Carolina and he's indicted in all
three counts of murder. In nineteen seventy five, WHOA and

(01:24:22):
a trial lasted over six weeks the government introduced over
a thousand evident jury items, and at the trial, Helena
denied the chick, the crazy chick, young person. It was like,
I wasn't there, I don't know what happened, denied everything.
Later she's diagnosed with schizoid personality. Yeah, which is said McDonald.

(01:24:43):
Jeffrey McDonald was convicted of all three counts of murder
in less than seven hours.

Speaker 3 (01:24:47):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (01:24:48):
Yeah, all right, so let's talk about really fucking happened. Okay,
ready for the same story as above, Yeah, as the beginning,
but what actually happened and here's why we know and
this is fucking crazy. Okay. First of all, a lot
of this is from the mcdonaldcase facts dot com by
Phil Callahan. This guy is just a civilian. He's a
fucking web sleuth, and he's like dedicated, he's on life

(01:25:11):
to this. Yeah, and he is like, here's what happened
based on the fact that and this is so fucking
crazy to me. All four members of the household, uh, Jeffrey, Collette, Kristen,
and Kimberly, they all had different blood types, which is
a statistic, statistical anomaly, like in a family that doesn't

(01:25:32):
fucking happen, right, and that means that they were able
to trace what happened room by room because of the
blood types. Oh, I just got the weirdest chill, you
know what it made me think of? And I wrote
this down. So you know, like in like who framed
Roger Rabbit or those like old timey things are like,
here's how to do the two step, and they put
like a footprint here and a footprint here, and then
one goes back on, Oh, we're here. It's like that

(01:25:52):
with blood. Oh my god, ready for this? Yeah, fucked up. Okay,
it's a fucked up dance. So here's what really happened,
I mean, according to everything. In the early morning hours
February seventeenth, nineteen seventy, Collette and Jeffrey MacDonald get into
a heated argument in the master bedroom. Jeffrey at the

(01:26:14):
time was taking amphetamines to lose weight the seventies. What
were those meth? That's right, yeah, and hadn't slept for
twenty four hours at least, so he thought it was
goddamn mine. In the previous weeks, Collette had been upset
that Jeffrey was planning on leaving for a long time
to be the doctor for the army boxing team, even

(01:26:36):
though she was having a really difficult pregnancy and she
was going to night school for psychology. So this chick
was a badass and he was kind of a narcissist.
So his wife, not wanting to stay at home and be,
you know, him having to stay home and take care
of his kids at night when she went to school
do the dishes, put him into bed for him. Did

(01:26:57):
not gibe? Was that the right? Get that word wrong. Also,
the issue with their daughter wedding the bed was a
big deal with them. He got really pissed off about it.
She'd even brought it up in one of her psychology classes.
And I was just guessing maybe he got more angry
that night that she wet his side of the bed, right, Like,

(01:27:20):
not just her bed, she wet the side of his
side of the bed. Something fucking snapped And at some
point Jeffrey punches Collette in the face. Who then And
this is all based on blood evidence as well as
the fibers from the pajamas. Right, Collette grabs a hair
brush hits Jeffrey above his left eye. These are also

(01:27:42):
based on the bruises and sorry, they wrestle and Jeffrey's
pajama top gets torn in multiple places, and then he
hits Collett in the face a second time and grabs
what we remember as the wooden club from earlier. That
turns out to be is that there was this wooden

(01:28:03):
this piece of wood holding up a corner portion of
the master bed footboard because you know how sometimes it
get squabbly you jam something under. He fucking grabs whatever
that is when he's on the floor, and he fucking
thrusts it like jabs at her of one end of
that end her chest and that's where that those came.

Speaker 3 (01:28:21):
From, like a wooden steak, because she.

Speaker 2 (01:28:23):
Probably had something she was trying to hit with him,
so we couldn't come close to her. Oh okay, yeah,
exactly like I wouldn't say. But he doesn't puncture her.
He just like he just hits her with it like
a javelin. So at this point, then Kimberly, the daughter,
enters the room. Here's her parents fighting maybe, and Jeffrey

(01:28:43):
turns around and hits her with the club on the
left side of her face. Collette then screams, jeff why
are you doing this, which is what he said. He
heard from the couch, but it's so loud that he
thinks maybe the neighbors heard it, so he includes in
his story, but he turns it into jeff why are
they doing this right? And then Kimberly falls into the

(01:29:06):
floor near the entrance of the master bedroom, and we
know this because there's her blood spattered around that area.
Collette then grabs a knife from her side table and
she slashes Jeffrey's abdomen, resulting in that upside down v
laceration on his abdomen, and then Jeffrey retaliates with two
blows with the club to Collette's head, knocking her unconscious.

(01:29:30):
At this point, Jeffrey strips the bed, picks Kimberly up,
who's unconscious, picks her from the bed sheet, and carries
her back to her bedroom. He places her into a
sleeping position. He at that point leaves fourteen pajama threads
under her bed covers. When he does that, a twenty
point five inch yarn of his bed clothes found is

(01:29:52):
found on top of Kimberly's pillow. And then this is
you know, he at this point supposedly would have had
his pajamas off by then, so the fact that his
pajama threads are all over these places shows that this
is what he actually did, because they shouldn't be underneath
her even if he did come in there. He then
uses the club to strike Kimberly with two blows on
the right side of her face, and when he does that,

(01:30:12):
he picked the club up and hit her twice, casts
blood onto the ceiling in those blows, and that blood
had both Kimberly and Collett's blood mixed in, which means
we know that he hit her first, hit Collet first.
Then he covers Kimberly's body with her blanket and bed covers.

(01:30:32):
Then he gets a knife from the kitchen and he
leaves behind minute traces of blood all over the kitchen,
and the pattern shows that he was pacing the kitchen,
one thinks, trying to figure out what the fuck to do,
grabs a knife, paces the kitchen back and forth in
a panic. Probably they don't think it was premeditated. Probably

(01:30:55):
was like what do I do now? What do I
do now? What do I do now? Then he goes
Intoon's room and this is the other daughter who's sleeping,
not part of this at all, and he stabs her
in the chest as she lay in her bed, and
the wounds indicate that Kristen was probably sleeping at this point,
and her pajama top the wounds indicate that they had

(01:31:15):
it had been lifted before she was stabbed, and the
position of the wounds show that it was almost as
if he was trying to identify the location of vital orients. Oh,
because she got stabbed in these specific places that a
surgeon would know would bear the most but that would
do the most damage.

Speaker 1 (01:31:36):
Right, Like he's trying to be efficient in killing his daughter.

Speaker 2 (01:31:39):
Right. At some point she wakes up to try to
shield herself because she had cuts and bruises on her hands,
and because of that pajama pajama fiber is found under
her fingernail. He then stabs her in the back and
places her places his daughter back into a sleeping position
on her bed, and he places her favorite pink security

(01:32:02):
blanket in her arms. Can you fucking deal? He exits
the room, and then when he's like bringing the bed
sheets to go maybe wash them, But here's Collette stagger
into Kristen's room. He hears her go in there to
try to protect her daughter, follows her in with the club,
and he hits Collette in the face. Collette places her

(01:32:24):
arms in front of her face in an attempt to
ward off the blows and her arms, which is why
her arms are bruised and shattered, and she gets hit
twice more. Then he sets so then he sets his club,
the club down on Kristin's bed, which is why there
are traces of Kimberly's blood on the bed because the

(01:32:47):
club he had hit Kimberly with was then placed on
the bed. It's this saying you're trying to say, you're
trying to tell it's other people, but there's such a basic,
fucking obvious reason that it's not true, which is why
it's insane to me that people have websites dedicated to
his innocence well right, because.

Speaker 1 (01:33:06):
Back then nobody knew anything about like the any of
this blood, right, the DNA and the blood type and
all that stuff didn't exists.

Speaker 2 (01:33:13):
All of this shows that it's a panic. This isn't planned,
This is a fuck What am I gonna do? Because
then after all of this, he goes into the living
room and he reads the Esquire magazine article, and we
know this because there's a bloody smudge on the edge
of the magazine, then the blood belonged to Collette and Kimberly.
He reads the article, then he tosses his glasses aside.

(01:33:35):
They landed under the window in the living room. And
we know this because on those glasses there's a mark
of Christen's blood. And that throwing the glasses aside, to
me is such a fucking definitive action of well, now
I know I have to fucking do you know I
read this article about how the Taate murders. You know
we're blood crazed hippies. Well, now I fucking know I

(01:33:57):
have to finish this and make it look like that.

Speaker 1 (01:33:59):
It's also well, as a person who was on speed
for a year.

Speaker 2 (01:34:03):
I've done acid and I've done speed in.

Speaker 3 (01:34:05):
That for way less reasons.

Speaker 2 (01:34:07):
Oh right.

Speaker 3 (01:34:08):
The idea that you would.

Speaker 1 (01:34:11):
Be able to read anything in that circumstance, specifically where
he's just murdered his family and then he sits down
to read an article to me, is like really indicative
of the of the kind of psychopath he was, because
that's can you imagine, like when you get into a
fender bender, how freaked out you are, and now like
you're just kind of imagine in the middle of all that,

(01:34:32):
you sit down and read something or you what would
be how would you even take anything in.

Speaker 2 (01:34:36):
Well, here's what I'm wondering is if he had read
it earlier that evening or whenever, because she had been
at she had been at school that evening. So I
wonder if he had read through it earlier or not
even thought about it. And then these things started happening,
and he was like, wait, how did they make this
look like? Maybe he probably hadn't written the word pig
yet in blood and he was like, maybe, fueled on

(01:34:56):
by the fact that he had he hadn't slept read
this stuff about these murders, and kind of was fueled
by that. And then he went back to the magazine
to be like, how can I make this look like
a cover up? He wasn't going to read he was
going to find a way to cover this up.

Speaker 1 (01:35:10):
Right, get like the what are the exact details? Right,
He's basically being a doctor about it. Where he was like, well,
if I'm going to copy this, I'm going to copy
it correctly. Yeah, and I'm going to do it in
the way that's going to convince everybody.

Speaker 3 (01:35:22):
Yeah, But I mean I'm.

Speaker 2 (01:35:25):
It's just so cold.

Speaker 1 (01:35:27):
It's like, oh my god, he's a fucking reptile, a
total reptile.

Speaker 2 (01:35:30):
And then like another argument people had on Reddit which
I came back this up, is when you're on acid,
you can't fucking kill people. Like killing people on acid
is not a thing. Okay. Then he tips over the
living room coffee table to show that there's been a
struggle where he supposedly was sleeping, but there's a lot
of evidence that shows that it wasn't, which you can

(01:35:51):
listen to in another podcast. Okay, So then he uses
a bedspread to take Collett's body back to the master
bedroom and then the process leaves three bloody prints and
collects blood as he leaves Kristen's room. And the fucking
crazy thing about this is that they can tell that
he was carrying something heavy by the way the footprints

(01:36:13):
are mashed into the carpet. Oh isn't that fucking crazy?

Speaker 3 (01:36:16):
Oh, because it's pile carpet, Like they can measure it.

Speaker 2 (01:36:19):
How heavy was the footprint? A Right, that's amazing, I know.
So here's we're almost in it.

Speaker 1 (01:36:25):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:36:26):
He puts Collette on the master bedroom floor and unknowingly
sets her body down on top of twenty four pajama
fibers underneath her body, even though he said he put
them on top. He hits her in the head again,
and then he goes into Kimberley's room with the knife
and flicts more of her injuries with the knife. Then

(01:36:48):
he takes the ice pick into Christen's room and flicks
more wounds on her. Then then he goes back in
and stabs Collett in the chest and neck with a
knife and stab her twenty one times after he had
put down her his pajamatap on top of her. So
that way he puts his pajamatap on top of her
stabs her twenty one times, And when the prosecutors were

(01:37:11):
in court, they were able to show that the pajama
top the way it was laid down, matched every single
one of those twenty one marks. So he had put
it on top of her as if to cover her
so he didn't have to see himself stabbing his wife,
and twenty of those twenty one marks went through that
pajama top, so he said that they were on his

(01:37:32):
arms and he was fending off blows from the people
in the that's why those twenty one marks were there.

Speaker 1 (01:37:36):
And it perfectly matches his wife's wounds. Yep, insanely fun,
totally insane. Also, just this idea of a crazed man
walking from room to room killing and re killing his family.

Speaker 2 (01:37:49):
It was horrifying that And like he had never apparently
they were in an apartment building, so no one was
ever Like they had never argued before, they had never
heard them fight. They had some fucked up problems with
the relationship. He had had multiple affairs, like he had
been fucking fifteen women up until that point. Like they
were having big marital problems, but they had never fought.

(01:38:11):
So this is a guy who is whacked out of
his mind and fucking snaps. Yeah, doing this. It's a
It's not a methodical killer. It's someone who is like,
here's what needs to be done and does it.

Speaker 3 (01:38:23):
He's over the edge for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:38:25):
Yeah, he's over the edge. Right. So the Sam Shepherd
case is really similar. Okay, this one was after Sam Shepherd.
Yeah yeah, Sam shepperd is in the late fifties. Yeah. Yeah,
so he probably read about that one too, right, yes, yeah.
And then I did another one another family and I

(01:38:47):
or another murder of a family that was in Fort
Bragg in eighty five. That neared this one a lot too.

Speaker 3 (01:38:55):
Whoa, yeah, but.

Speaker 2 (01:38:56):
It wasn't the dad. Oh god, what was it called
Summer Lane? Summer Yeah, the Summer Lane murders. We did
it before anyways, Okay, almost said, um, sorry.

Speaker 1 (01:39:10):
Okay, Summer Lane murders. Weren't that ones where they came
to see the puppies?

Speaker 3 (01:39:13):
Yes, I hate that one so much.

Speaker 2 (01:39:16):
Yes, I don't know what episode that is, but it's
it's happening.

Speaker 3 (01:39:20):
I'd say forty seven.

Speaker 2 (01:39:23):
Yes, what if Karen was Yes, what if you worry savant?

Speaker 1 (01:39:28):
Just for a podcast, I'm like, beautiful mind, but just
for podcast episodes.

Speaker 2 (01:39:34):
Stabs in the chest line it up. Okay. So then
he walks to the back door with the weapons, tosses
them into the into the murder bush, into the.

Speaker 3 (01:39:41):
One bush what do we call it?

Speaker 2 (01:39:42):
The murder bush. Murder bush goes back in the weapon bush.
Weapon bush goes back into the master bedroom, uses the
surgeon's glove to write the word pig on the headboard
of the master bed. There's three fibers, I know, three
fibers from the pajamas found near the left corner of
the footboard and one fiber found near the headboard, so
it was clearly him while he was wait, that must

(01:40:04):
have been Okay, something's going on anyways. Then he obtained
a disposable scalpel blade from the hallway closet because he
won't even fucking stab himself with the eyes. Pick stabs
himself in the right side of his chest with a
scalpel blade, and then I go to redd it and
read it. Says someone on Reddit is really smart, and
they say, it is exactly where the doctor makes an

(01:40:25):
incision to place a chest tube, to place a chest tube,
So this is the spot that we and he was
like an emergency technician, this is where we cut someone
to place a chest tube because there is almost zero
risk of harming the patient. So he collapses his lung,
but in a place that's not dangerous. He thinks that

(01:40:45):
the severity of this wound will make people think I
didn't do it myself.

Speaker 1 (01:40:50):
Yes, okay, But then he is assured that he won't
be hurt in any exactly hurt.

Speaker 2 (01:40:55):
Enough to make people not suspect him. He then gathers
himself for a little bit and then he phones authorities
at three forty am and three forty two am. He
did it twice, so that's how what really happened. Jeffrey
MacDonald is now sixty eight and he remarried and is

(01:41:16):
still in prison. Oh, sixty eight years old might be
from an article. I didn't, okay, look at the date,
but he's he's an older man now, but he's still
in prison. He's married. When you said.

Speaker 3 (01:41:25):
Remarried, though, I was like, sorry, did he get off?

Speaker 2 (01:41:28):
Like no, he's in prison and ok married in prison, Okay,
one of those people. Sure. He has never wavered from
his claim that he didn't kill his wife and their children,
and he says he'll never apply for parole because that
would require an admission of guilts, even though he's up
for parole, which means he won't be eligible for release

(01:41:49):
until the you're twenty seventy one. But he is still
fighting for a new trial based on the fact that
this woman, Helena said she was the drug crazed hippie
and there's videos of her online. You can find all
kinds of videos from this of her just going no,
of her saying I did it. I don't know, maybe
I did do it. Go watch fatal visions. It's amazing.
There's there's so many interviews with him in prison. He looked.

(01:42:12):
He reminds you of Ted Bundy meets fucking Robert Durst. Yeah,
it's fucked up. So that's Jeffrey MacDonald who murdered Collette,
Kimberly and Kristen.

Speaker 3 (01:42:24):
Oh wow, it was amazing.

Speaker 2 (01:42:27):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:42:27):
It's so satisfying because the other one was really frustrating
because it's the other one was so similar, the Sorry
Sam Shepherd, Sam Shepherd one was so similar but so mysterious,
whereas this one is like it's parallel, but then it's
the worst version.

Speaker 2 (01:42:47):
It's almost like this one is from someone who's even
more narcissistic because he didn't even come up with a
good there's no plan that's good enough to fucking make
it seem like you didn't do it. No, there's nothing
that timeline and it's it's it's if you read it

(01:43:07):
specifically on that website that I found, let me see
here the mcdonaldcasefacts dot com. If you read it on
that I Philip Philip Callahan, it's even more specific and
says what blood is, where what brain matter is, Where
there's a drop of blood here, there's a drop of
blood here, This blood is so, and so is this
blood is this person's like it's there's one hundred more

(01:43:29):
like pieces of blood evidence and fiber evidence that have
there's no way to explain them away out than the
fact that he did it right.

Speaker 1 (01:43:39):
Also, it just popped in my head because I'm I
can't get over a father stabbing his daughters who are
so young. But if you're a surgeon, that kind of
interaction with the human body, isn't that weird to you?
Because you do it a lot of times in a
life saving way.

Speaker 2 (01:43:59):
So like the body is just not a human body
to you. Yeah, well they say that thing about like
the I fucking sort insult a bunch of surgeons, but
that surgeons have a harder they are not Oh well
this is the thing I'm not and this is going
out to call and clink you started it just that Well,

(01:44:22):
the brain is different because it's not something you see
every day or you know what I mean. But like
the thing of where it's like if you are able
to cut into a human body every single day and
not think of it like and not be freaked out
by it, right, you have a you have a really
a brain that's really good at disassociating itself from other people. Yes,
is how I'll say it.

Speaker 1 (01:44:43):
Yeah, yeah, yeah from that any kind of it's a
different thing for you.

Speaker 2 (01:44:46):
It's not. It's not a human anymore.

Speaker 3 (01:44:48):
That still doesn't explain the fact that they were his
goddamn daughters.

Speaker 2 (01:44:52):
I don't know that.

Speaker 3 (01:44:52):
I'm so offended.

Speaker 2 (01:44:53):
But the thing of like the people who are narcissists,
who think of their children as a a part of themselves,
an extension of themselves. So he's not killing his daughter.
He's he's he's doing what he needs to do, right,
That's it's part of him, it's his property. He could
do whatever he wants with it. Oh fuck, I mean

(01:45:16):
how is it? And I'm not a parent, clearly, but
how is it? I mean, look at my body? How
is it? How is it any easier? Oh? I can't.
I can't say this right. I could never kill a
child even though I'm not a it's parent. How is
it easier for someone else to do it? It's not.

Speaker 1 (01:45:34):
That's just that's why he is, this anomaly and this
freak and this thing that you.

Speaker 2 (01:45:39):
Get to look at and talk about a child at all,
little on your own.

Speaker 1 (01:45:44):
I know, horrifying, Jeff and McDonald repeatedly. Okay, wow, that
was great. You need to go to the end prov
right now too.

Speaker 2 (01:45:56):
I can't.

Speaker 3 (01:45:56):
I won't make it plug your show.

Speaker 2 (01:45:59):
You see what time is.

Speaker 3 (01:46:00):
Let's can I just say this right now? Guy brand On.

Speaker 2 (01:46:03):
Twenty five minutes later, already, sorry.

Speaker 1 (01:46:05):
Fuck, somebody posted a picture of themselves standing outside the
improv today. I'm gonna make it a bit right now. Yeah,
you're gonna blow them away. Let's just do a quick
thing you like this week? Going to Vegas tomorrow for
Vince's birthday. Super excited?

Speaker 2 (01:46:23):
Oh nice?

Speaker 3 (01:46:24):
Did I already tell my.

Speaker 2 (01:46:25):
Vegas story that you went in Magic Magic Mike?

Speaker 3 (01:46:28):
Did I tell that though online? Did I tell it live?

Speaker 1 (01:46:30):
No?

Speaker 2 (01:46:30):
You didn't.

Speaker 1 (01:46:31):
Guys, If you are near Las Vegas or you're going
anytime soon, one thousand percent, go see the Magic Mike
strip show at hard Rock. It is so good. This
is not sarcasm. I'm not being sarcastic. You can tell
because of how deep and resonating my voices. If I'm
being sarcastic. Goes up like this. It's so good and

(01:46:54):
the dancers are amazing, and the show is really cool.

Speaker 3 (01:46:57):
And very modern and a woman is the.

Speaker 1 (01:47:00):
Host, and it's very much about women getting what they want.
It's really cool. It's very sexy. The dancing is incredible.
Can I take Vince totally? But yeah, there was like
probably five guys.

Speaker 2 (01:47:15):
But if they go out there and I'm like, where's Vince.
You said I went to the bathroom to have an
hour ago, and then it comes out on stage and
he's in one of the dancers and he's like, happy
anniversary or whatever.

Speaker 3 (01:47:25):
It does a whole dance.

Speaker 1 (01:47:26):
The dancing is so good and just their acrobats, their gymnasts,
their dancers, their musicians.

Speaker 3 (01:47:33):
It's crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:47:35):
That's it. Triple Threat. Thanks everybody, thanks for listening to
you guys. We really appreciate everything you do for us.
Stay sexy, don't get murdered. Gimb