85 - Live at the Boulder Theater

This week’s My Favorite Murder comes to you live from the Boulder Theater. On stage, Karen and Georgia cover the killer John Agrue and Theodore Edward Coneys, the Spiderman of Denver.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:15):
What's up, Boulder.

Speaker 2 (00:20):
I was like, see, they don't like it when I
do it.

Speaker 1 (00:22):
It's only were embarrassing that we didn't turn our own
fucking mics on. We've never had to, I mean, so, yeah, yeah,
we said it. We've reseid it ever since.

Speaker 2 (00:41):
Uh the one time I walked out here like what's
up and pointed at the upper and there was nobody there.

Speaker 1 (00:46):
Now go.

Speaker 3 (00:48):
Just to make there was.

Speaker 1 (00:49):
No Well here's oh they're here. Oh yeah, oh they're
fucking here. Yeah, and they're here for revenge I have.
She told Georgia earlier. I was like, so just be aware.
It's like a it's a much smaller room, So just
know if they're quiet, doesn't mean we're doing bad. It's

(01:14):
just smaller. And we step out.

Speaker 4 (01:15):
And you may have popped my ear drum. I'm not sure.

Speaker 2 (01:21):
Oh god, yeah, the show won't go on if our
ear drums are pop or it would be really funny.

Speaker 1 (01:29):
Or it would be if we could loud and quiet
the same time.

Speaker 2 (01:33):
Last night we were at Denver and you guys are cooler.

Speaker 3 (01:39):
Pander ring, pandering, pandering. Hey, this is my favorite bard
of the podcast. That's Karen Cole.

Speaker 1 (01:45):
Garret I'm charge at heart star who didn't know who
was who.

Speaker 3 (01:53):
I did it. I'm happy to learn you are.

Speaker 1 (01:56):
So high on altitude sickness right now.

Speaker 2 (01:58):
Oh my god, I back and hit that oxygen take
backstage so hard, and thank you to the Boulder Theater
for coming up hurt. Someone needed oxygen, come one down.
I was like, oh my god, they actually they actually
said we heard someone was light headed. Do they need oxygen?

Speaker 1 (02:15):
And she was like, yeah, I'll have some oxygen.

Speaker 2 (02:17):
My god, because I woke up from a nap, which
I'm usually like okay, And then I was just like,
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (02:22):
What it is.

Speaker 4 (02:24):
We're gonna turn into.

Speaker 1 (02:25):
It's going to be a blue velvet situation in like
a month or just like, could we have our oxygen
tanks on stage? Yeah? I know we're below sea level.
It doesn't matter. We do what we want.

Speaker 2 (02:37):
We've been blaming everything that's happened on ox on the
what's it called altitude altitude?

Speaker 4 (02:43):
Yeah, it's fine, We're fine since we've been here.

Speaker 3 (02:46):
Some real funny shit that is not.

Speaker 1 (02:48):
Because of altitude. There's all those hurt altitude, your shoes hurt.
There's been everyone's gotten really comfortable with the farting situation,
which is just belching. I mean, and we used to
be so modest, and it's just like their air has
to come out of me and we can't pretend anymore.

Speaker 2 (03:07):
And I gotta say it's a little biome, because like
sometimes I want, I like fart in a funny way.

Speaker 1 (03:12):
To be like hey, like punctuated.

Speaker 2 (03:14):
And I did it, and like nobody laughed, So I
was like, did I have thend that?

Speaker 1 (03:19):
Sorry, wait a second, you like intro your fart like
a hey, and then.

Speaker 2 (03:23):
A far No, I say a dumb joke, and then
I'm like punk, like you know, just like.

Speaker 1 (03:28):
To be like you physically punctuate the joke. Tell me
if I have to fart, you do like ter on purpose?
You do like an unspoken pull my finger sometimes, how
come I don't fucking know this? I don't know. Maybe
you don't.

Speaker 2 (03:44):
I've done it many times in front of you and
Stephen Steven, oh, Karen. Stephen is at home right now.
I figured you guys, but no, we don't. We leave
him at home.

Speaker 1 (04:01):
He's not that great. It's mostly the hair.

Speaker 4 (04:05):
You guys don't fought for it.

Speaker 2 (04:06):
We don't tell him he's coming and he's like waiting
outside with a suitcase, and then we just don't pick
him up.

Speaker 1 (04:11):
It's not like that. Maybe next time Steven we forgot.

Speaker 3 (04:17):
It's like home alone, except he's crying the.

Speaker 1 (04:19):
Whole time down in the heart with like Macaulay Culkin
who's just like little Girl came alone with like a
mustache on cats, which would be a better film. And
you know it.

Speaker 2 (04:31):
He has a pet cube, which basically means you can
spy on who's ever taken care of your cat? And
it was like a laser thing and he's on it.
He like set up basically a hidden camera in my house.

Speaker 1 (04:44):
I can't watch himself. He nanny cammed himself. Yeah wow.

Speaker 3 (04:50):
And I think he can put it online.

Speaker 2 (04:51):
So maybe you can watch cats sleep support.

Speaker 1 (04:57):
Is this a new business of yours where you're like
and for nine ninety you too can watch it?

Speaker 4 (05:02):
Even in my cat sit.

Speaker 2 (05:04):
One cent goes to the a SPCI one scent of
every just one cent total, just one cent, we'll go
to every We had a vet. We had a vet
come to the meet angry yesterday. It was so lovely
and she gave us a ton of pet like cool
pet toys, which was so nice, but you now have

(05:25):
to jam into your suitcase.

Speaker 3 (05:27):
They're the size of dogs.

Speaker 1 (05:31):
I like that you're just bragging about presents. Now You're like, hey,
so we have some pretty big vet presents right now.
So right now I will Well, for if it's bragging time,
then I would like to brag about my big foot necklace,
which I so.

Speaker 3 (05:49):
It's funny on different levels.

Speaker 1 (05:51):
Yeah, go ahead and tell three of them.

Speaker 3 (05:56):
One is that it's big foots.

Speaker 1 (05:57):
You're like, I spotty big You know somebody they're gonna say,
that's funny.

Speaker 2 (06:01):
Yeah, it's also funny because it's fucking awesome. It's also
funny because when you saw it, we both bent down.

Speaker 3 (06:07):
And hit heads.

Speaker 1 (06:10):
I forgot about that part. Oh fuck. I was like
I when I do things like that, was like, I
kind of hate everything, so when I see something I love,
I am so overcome with like how could this actually
be happening? I go blind to everything else around me.
So I was just like a bigfoot necklace, like really
lead with my skull, where George just like, oh, look a.

Speaker 4 (06:33):
Tiny little and then I head butty and I.

Speaker 1 (06:35):
Had glasses on, so they kind of like stamped me
in the top. But it was like worth, it's a
great necklace. It was worth it.

Speaker 4 (06:40):
I think it was worth it.

Speaker 2 (06:41):
Yeah, it's okay, it's okay, and that's end. So it
was that Buffalo Exchange because this like lovely girl said,
you guys should go to Buffalo Exchange.

Speaker 4 (06:49):
Yeah, and everyone loves Buffalo Exchange.

Speaker 3 (06:53):
I think they worked there.

Speaker 2 (06:54):
And so we went and were walking in the front
door and this girl who's standing there looking like she
works there, yells at us.

Speaker 4 (07:03):
Shut the front door.

Speaker 1 (07:04):
So I'm like because it was like there's five of
us all together, and I was second in, so I
was like, whoops, okay, and I just.

Speaker 2 (07:11):
Hot outside walking and we're kind of like.

Speaker 1 (07:14):
We're already in trouble in Buffalo Stane.

Speaker 4 (07:16):
We're just done.

Speaker 2 (07:17):
Then as I'm walking by, I see she has a
giant SSDGM back.

Speaker 1 (07:20):
Myson and I was like, no, she didn't mean it
like that come back. It was it was as if
she had placed herself in the doorway of the first
place we went in Denver, just like shut the fuck door.

Speaker 4 (07:36):
It's very bizarre.

Speaker 1 (07:37):
I think she did.

Speaker 2 (07:38):
I think she's been stocking us because she was like, here,
I have a present that I just bought you, like
she had bought me.

Speaker 1 (07:43):
I think she knew we were coming, because I wouldn't
accuse that on stage. I would bet she wouldn't love
that theory. She's lovely and talented.

Speaker 2 (07:51):
How would she knew where we were because she told
us go to Buffalo Stange.

Speaker 4 (07:54):
Yeah, but then what she got.

Speaker 1 (07:55):
She went there opening and was like, you know what,
ten am, I just I'll stand here in the door
work with a necklace. Aunt. You're right, it did work.
So I'm just saying anything is possible. Yeah. Thanks, that's
my new song, Anything is possible if you're wearing a

(08:16):
big foot necklace. That's in parentheses after that part.

Speaker 2 (08:20):
And you expect the worst in people, Like they're yelling
at you to shut the front door.

Speaker 1 (08:24):
Shut the front door. I just take as a direction
I yell at you. It's like, it's there's all the
air conditioning in here.

Speaker 4 (08:31):
Shut the fucking door.

Speaker 2 (08:32):
You're letting the air condition go out. We were gonna
talk about our prayer from last night.

Speaker 1 (08:39):
We like to do a little prayer before we walk
out on stage.

Speaker 2 (08:42):
But before you applaud us Christians, it's not.

Speaker 1 (08:47):
It's a it's an abomination.

Speaker 3 (08:51):
It's not.

Speaker 1 (08:52):
Look, we just try to access a being that we
think might help us do this correctly. For all of
you who have waited so long and care so much
and send us pictures of yourself standing around all day
and night waiting for the show to start.

Speaker 2 (09:05):
Yeah, so last night we want to connect because we've
been like, we're running around backstage and all these people
are giving me oxygen and we're just.

Speaker 1 (09:12):
Like, okay, you I'm getting a defibrillator.

Speaker 4 (09:16):
It's all crazy shit back there.

Speaker 2 (09:18):
So we wanted to be like, all right, you mean,
you mean, you mean? And then we just start saying words.

Speaker 1 (09:23):
We got, like dear, and then we pick a deity
that we enjoy, or like a person we like, just
somebody fun.

Speaker 4 (09:30):
Taylor Swift and.

Speaker 1 (09:33):
Last night I said dear Buddha, but there was a
that video was playing and Georgia said dear group on
and then we're like the prayers over.

Speaker 4 (09:44):
That's all we need to say. We're ready to do
the show.

Speaker 1 (09:48):
That was it. Tonight was a lot more heartfelt. Yeah,
we both journaled and feeling pretty good.

Speaker 2 (09:58):
I feel like suddenly I don't want to talk about
the house we went to today.

Speaker 1 (10:01):
Oh are you kidding me? Why do you do that?
It was we were here.

Speaker 3 (10:11):
We went to Mork and Mindy's house.

Speaker 1 (10:12):
No that's not true. I mean it's where every murderino
in the nation wants to be for for a minute
and a half. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.

Speaker 3 (10:27):
Drive by and everyone goes quiet and we go.

Speaker 1 (10:31):
Well, not about you're.

Speaker 2 (10:32):
Not better than uh. We all stared in silence, and
I thought to be.

Speaker 1 (10:39):
Bigger, like as we were. As we pulled up, We're
like looking around and we're kind of like, hmmm, we
thought they were richer than this.

Speaker 2 (10:49):
Snobs immediate snobbery.

Speaker 1 (10:52):
This is does everyone around here on a plane?

Speaker 4 (10:55):
Because this did not seem.

Speaker 1 (10:57):
To be rams the level richness at all.

Speaker 2 (11:00):
I should sell the plane and get a bigger house.

Speaker 1 (11:02):
That's right.

Speaker 2 (11:03):
Then you're rich or a landscaper or don't be horrible.

Speaker 3 (11:10):
And then that's what I said, I'd be like that.

Speaker 1 (11:16):
We sat there for a second and then Georgie was
taking pictures and I was like, I don't know why,
but I feel like I need to look down. And
then I started getting obsessed with all the people that
lyric out watering their lawns and stuff. Suddenly there was
like a man watering his lawn and a mother playing
with her child and I was just like, oh no,
this is so dark.

Speaker 2 (11:34):
And then then he sprayed us in the face through
my roll down window and was.

Speaker 1 (11:38):
Like, got you kids, creeps? What is wrong with you?
But it was worth it. It was worth it. It's
just my man, What was going on with that fucking family? Dude?
I And then we found out, but we feared out.

(11:58):
They like cemented off the basement. Yes, our uber driver
told us.

Speaker 2 (12:02):
That, yeah, and we were just like, the best. Well,
that's why you couldn't sell it because the monsters who
would buy it want the basement.

Speaker 4 (12:13):
I just love that.

Speaker 1 (12:14):
I bet you like eighty nine percent of the ubers
you get into and Boulder. If you were like, hey,
so what do you know about the Ramsey household, they'd
be like, well, let's go through a list of things.
My mom was the secretary at the like fuck yeah,
like total fuck, total fuck? What on that note? Should

(12:35):
we sit down?

Speaker 2 (12:36):
Oh yeah, this is a nice little setup yesterday. I
don't want to throw at the theater under the bus,
but oh are you caressing the I.

Speaker 4 (12:47):
Just felt like I needed to have a tactile moment.

Speaker 1 (12:50):
It's me. My manicure matches my chair, so ah, it's
like here to be.

Speaker 3 (13:00):
Hey, that's your that's your soulmate, let's go fight.

Speaker 1 (13:05):
You want to go back?

Speaker 2 (13:05):
Okay, Uh, yesterday at our show, we they they brought
uh a high top table like from the smoking patio.
That is what Karen said, just third on stage, and
that was it.

Speaker 1 (13:22):
It was just one of those ones that like, I've
been like three pictures of beer drunk on so many
smoking patios, and then you're suddenly you're leaning on one
of those iron like a wrought iron table that you
can kind of stick your fingernails into the holes as
you're like what am I doing with my lie?

Speaker 2 (13:42):
But then they're the ones that are so wobbly and
you're the one who keeps slash slashing beer out of
the picture.

Speaker 1 (13:48):
Karen, stop leaning on it.

Speaker 3 (13:50):
I can't stand up on my own.

Speaker 1 (13:52):
Oh fuck, speaking of really quickly back to Buffalo Exchange
where everything happened. I uh, while I was in among
the gowns.

Speaker 4 (14:04):
Somehow I have this thing where everyone smile.

Speaker 1 (14:06):
I don't know if it's a muscle spasm or if
it's consciously. I don't want myself to drink as much
coffee as I drink, but everyone smile like, I don't
know if you do this, you just kind of squeeze
your cup and it just flies out of your hand.
I know that I might have a light palsy, but anyway,
I walk around.

Speaker 2 (14:26):
A large rack of dresses and just see Karen standing near.

Speaker 1 (14:29):
Just a pile of coffee. It looked like a small
pond and it was honestly, time slowed down as it
left my hand, and it was like a full rotation
upside down and the like coffee. I saw it all
like there should have been Wagner playing underneath it. It was

(14:50):
so fucking dramatic and horrifying among all.

Speaker 4 (14:54):
These like gorgeous pieces.

Speaker 1 (14:56):
And I'm just like, I'm gonna throw some shit Starbucks
around here if no one might. And I think I
was like.

Speaker 3 (15:01):
Run, I told you to run.

Speaker 2 (15:03):
Now they're two lovely like tweet rosters came over and
cleaned it up.

Speaker 1 (15:08):
I walked over and took turned myself in. I'm just like,
we have a major I did buy dresses.

Speaker 3 (15:14):
We but don't worry. It didn't get on Karen's clothes.

Speaker 2 (15:16):
It only got on Adrian, Karen's longtime friend Adrian's Let's
I basically.

Speaker 1 (15:21):
Threw a cup of coffee on Adrian after.

Speaker 3 (15:23):
You told her to change that morning.

Speaker 1 (15:26):
Right, No, Adrian, here's what it is, okay, Adrian and I,
and this has happened all our lives. My sister Laura
and I don't we look alike like you can tell
her sisters, but we don't look alike. Look like Laura's
best friend Adrian since she was eleven years old, and
I look like sister.

Speaker 2 (15:43):
It's creepy, how much very much for someone who's not
sisters and not friends with your sister?

Speaker 1 (15:48):
And it's I have not lived in like my hometown
for a really long time. So anytime my sister and
Adrian go to a party, people come up to Adrian
and go, are you the Canadian? And then she's like, nouse,
She's very unfriendly.

Speaker 4 (16:05):
It's her brand.

Speaker 1 (16:06):
And last night in Denver, we were dressed almost exactly like.

Speaker 4 (16:12):
Our hair is very similar.

Speaker 1 (16:13):
And she said so many people were walking up and
would get like a foot away, thinking that they had
seen me before the show, and then they'd be like
no and then walk away. Imagine how that feels to
be on the receiving end of like abject disappointment eleven
times before the big show starts. So did you tell

(16:34):
them you're the sister?

Speaker 2 (16:35):
And Bre'd like no, And I'm like, oh, I'm the
only one who just needs constant attention and praise. Everyone
else is like no, why would I tell them that.

Speaker 1 (16:42):
The two of them were like, we hate attention and
we refuse praise.

Speaker 4 (16:48):
So this morning when.

Speaker 1 (16:48):
We got up, I got dressed, I took a shower,
got dressed, came out of the bag bragging that you
shook a shower.

Speaker 2 (16:54):
What's bragging that you took a shower totally bathed.

Speaker 1 (17:04):
But when I came out of the bathroom, major and
I had the same outfit on again, and she got
so angry that we once again were dressed alike that
she changed her shirt in it just.

Speaker 4 (17:14):
In a rage.

Speaker 1 (17:15):
And then an hour later I threw a cup of
coffee on it accidentally.

Speaker 2 (17:19):
So so was it accidental? We'll be the question that
just sticks in our lind.

Speaker 1 (17:23):
I mean, it's just something to talk about a therapy.

Speaker 2 (17:25):
Next time that you when you got when you and
Adrian and go together, that's right.

Speaker 1 (17:30):
I go to therapy with everyone. I know it's necessary.
What's up?

Speaker 4 (17:38):
Should we do you want to talk about.

Speaker 1 (17:39):
What I don't else?

Speaker 3 (17:40):
Do you want to talk about.

Speaker 1 (17:41):
I don't know. I don't want to talk about to
talk about junior high. Oh man, what a time it was. Fuck.

Speaker 2 (17:51):
We have some slides. Look Stephen made Stephen like manner slides.

Speaker 1 (17:56):
Look legit.

Speaker 3 (18:00):
He's earning his keep.

Speaker 1 (18:02):
That was for you, Steve. And he listens to all
these recordings at home after the fact. Stephen cut that out.
The cut all this out, cut the compliment out, The
compliment goes. Cheering for you goes and we're back in.

Speaker 3 (18:18):
Should we who's first tonight?

Speaker 1 (18:20):
Bert? Shall we get into the shit.

Speaker 2 (18:26):
Let's let's take the necessary moment of you turning to
your friend that you brought, who doesn't know anything about
the murder. He'd like because your friend who was in
seth Scot sick and you were like.

Speaker 3 (18:34):
Danny, will you go with me?

Speaker 1 (18:35):
Please? I don't want to go along. I have anxiety.

Speaker 2 (18:37):
And they're like, oh, goh, what is it. It's just
a cool comedy show. Now you can let them know that.
Here's when the horror starts. Yeah, and we are.

Speaker 3 (18:44):
Not bad people.

Speaker 1 (18:47):
We're good people talking about bad things.

Speaker 3 (18:49):
Ready, and it's your town, so it's your fault.

Speaker 1 (18:54):
Thank you? All right?

Speaker 3 (18:56):
Voulder, You guys had I want to say not. I wasn't.

Speaker 2 (19:00):
I was impressed and then got stressed out because you
don't have a ton ton.

Speaker 4 (19:05):
You have like the big one.

Speaker 1 (19:07):
You have kind of the queen queen, which we can't do.

Speaker 2 (19:10):
Obviously we did it, yeah, and then all right, but
you also have you also have a guy named John A.
Grou I think I'm saying that right. Okay, So I
got a lot of this from a dude named Kurt
Mitchell from Denver Post Cold Case section What's Letty.

Speaker 1 (19:29):
I was just thinking that maybe he's our uber drivers dude,
Kurt Mitchell that drove us here.

Speaker 2 (19:35):
I wrote this on the way over because he wrote
this whole thing and he was contacted by someone in
the case to like help solve it, which is pretty
fucking I want someone to please do that for us,
but also solve it yourself and then just say that
we did it, all right?

Speaker 1 (19:54):
Can I keep selling?

Speaker 3 (19:55):
No?

Speaker 1 (19:56):
You had to jump in? Okay.

Speaker 2 (19:57):
On July first, nineteen eighty two, two fishermen who were
looking for a good spots of fish and Boulder Canyon
discovered not a mannequin, the decaying body of a young
woman who was covered only by a towel. She had
eleven knife wounds in her chest and two in her neck.

(20:18):
There was a back Her backpack was nearby and police
were able to identify her based on that as Susan
Susie Becker.

Speaker 1 (20:25):
Susie is her nickname. She's twenty years old.

Speaker 2 (20:29):
Susie was last seen on the morning of June twentieth,
nineteen eighty two. So like a little less than a
month before. She was raised Catholic. She liked to listen to.

Speaker 4 (20:40):
Music.

Speaker 1 (20:41):
Yeah, but.

Speaker 3 (20:43):
In music, let's call it.

Speaker 2 (20:44):
What you got rastafarian. So I'm not gonna be able
to pronounce that reggae, No rastafarian. I can pronounce it's
the Wharton Naia Bingie.

Speaker 1 (20:54):
If anyone can do it, it's you guys, Boulder. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (20:59):
I think she was kind of like a hippie, free spirity,
like there we have Oh, we have a photo of her.

Speaker 3 (21:04):
Can you put up the photo of her? Please?

Speaker 1 (21:05):
There you go.

Speaker 2 (21:07):
Yeah, she was like a sweet little baby angel, hippiees,
free spirit.

Speaker 3 (21:14):
Okay, so I think she.

Speaker 2 (21:16):
Take it back down. Now, let's not bomb everyone up
too much. Not then, well, how about let's bomb everyone
out now. Then a week after Susie's body was discovered.
A second body was found nearby, ninety four year old
Orma Smith.

Speaker 3 (21:32):
And you can put her picture up.

Speaker 1 (21:33):
A retired librarian who am missing days earlier.

Speaker 3 (21:38):
Look at her.

Speaker 2 (21:38):
That's everyone's grandma from the seventies. A retired librarian she
had gone missing days earlier, was discovered face down in
a stream in big Elk's Meadow big Elk Meadows near
SD Park.

Speaker 3 (21:56):
Near L Depot.

Speaker 1 (21:57):
Is that it is? That it one big sound, s
says Park Joe.

Speaker 4 (22:04):
What are you doing? Just keep going?

Speaker 2 (22:06):
Thank you you?

Speaker 3 (22:08):
On July what what?

Speaker 2 (22:13):
There's a lot of essays on July ninth, nineteen eighty two.
So two bodies in like eight days. If I can
do the math, mom okay. Investigator's got a break in
the case on July fifteenth, nineteen eighty two, when a
fifty year old man named John Argue It says it's
agrew agrew, agrew a grew.

Speaker 1 (22:36):
They don't know.

Speaker 2 (22:37):
I know, and I usually don't listen. So a man
threatened man. This guy John threatened a twenty six year
old University of Colorado student with a knife, but she
had escaped and he was caught minutes later. So I
think like she was like fuck you, and like neighbors
must have been like, let's get him. I'm guessing he

(22:58):
was caught minutes later and rested. John was on parole.
He had moved to Colorado in nineteen eighty two after
getting out of prison. In nineteen sixty six, John had
been convicted of fatally stabbing his fourteen year old sister
in law, Susan Marino.

Speaker 3 (23:16):
Sounds like a dick.

Speaker 2 (23:18):
He he had dumbed his sister in law's body in
a stream in Illinois and had been sentenced to prison
for a term of twenty to fifty years. Guess how
many he got too, You're all wrong, But he was
released on good behavior after sixteen years because he was

(23:38):
a good guy in prison. John turned out to be
the orma of the ninety four year old librarian's neighbor
and a close acquaintance of hers. She was a super
friendly woman and she would often let John come in
and use her phone to make calls, and he drove
her around town on Errand's.

Speaker 1 (23:58):
He drove her around town on air. It's like they were.

Speaker 2 (24:03):
He obviously became the main subject and they when they
learned also that he would go hiking in Boulder Canyon,
so where the bodies were found. So John refused to
feat to authorities, and prosecutors determined there wasn't enough evidence
to file charges against him in either Susie or Orma's murders,
but the attempted kidnapping charges were filed in the case

(24:24):
of the co ed who escaped, and he was convicted
of attempted abduction. He remained in prison until nineteen eighty
nine and then twenty one years later twenty one.

Speaker 1 (24:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (24:35):
John's niece, Cora Amy Amy, who lives in Jollette, Illinois, Juliet, Jolie,
I'm Joliet, Illinois, became terrified of her, of her uncle
because he had told her that he had killed an
old woman in Colorado, just just chatting. I bet they

(24:56):
were drunk, right, How old was she?

Speaker 1 (25:00):
Were they? She was she was grown up? I think,
oh yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (25:05):
So she got terrified of him because he said this,
and he seemed to regret telling her that.

Speaker 1 (25:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (25:13):
The morning after, You're the morning.

Speaker 1 (25:15):
After, like, oh what did I say that? John?

Speaker 2 (25:17):
Did I tell Megan she should get her lip wax?
Probably no one to tell people, or.

Speaker 1 (25:22):
It was like the moment after where he's like, I
killed this old womp oh dang it.

Speaker 2 (25:32):
So she he started to just like stand outside her
apartment at all hours of the night and threaten her.
So she got a straining order against him, and he
she said, he had said to her, you know how
to kill someone and get away with it just because
just become their friend. And then anything police get they
can't use against you because you're their friend.

Speaker 1 (25:52):
And it was okay for you to be there.

Speaker 3 (25:54):
It's like you were.

Speaker 1 (25:56):
It's faulty logic, yeah, it's become confusing. A couple of
rules there, or a couple moral fucking basics, yeah, like
don't kill your friends. Yeah, he what did he watch
growing up? Because just fucking just Barney, just constant Barney. Yeah,

(26:17):
a lot.

Speaker 2 (26:19):
So she called crime reporter Kirk Mitchell, the dude whose
article I got this from the Denver Posts, and she
asked if he would be interested in ranning a cold
case blog about the unsolved murder case of her aunt.
So she gave him all this information about him and
how he had killed his sister in law all these
years ago and kind of was like, here's all this information.

(26:40):
Can you believe this person is not in prison. Clearly
he maybe he did these things. And it was twenty
one years later. So because of this, they reopened the case,
and she called the Lamier County Sheriff's office.

Speaker 1 (26:53):
Laimur Larimer, it's obviously Larimer, Larimer.

Speaker 2 (26:58):
What's nice about having a smaller crowd is that you
can hear what they're screaming at you, which I appreciate
because now I actually fix these I mean.

Speaker 1 (27:08):
That we should have done a dry run through, yeah,
with pronunciations only.

Speaker 2 (27:12):
Why then we wouldn't be this podcast anymore, she told
investigators at her uncle's murder confession, and they had always
thought he was a subject in all these other crimes,
so they reopened the investigation. Awesome, way to go, Kurt Mitchell.
I feel like I feel like he's kind of a
hero in this. You know that he fuck.

Speaker 1 (27:32):
Yeah, Okay.

Speaker 3 (27:33):
Investigators learned that.

Speaker 2 (27:36):
John had several purses and personal items that had belonged
to him to women, but his family had already thrown
all the way all the items away.

Speaker 1 (27:46):
So I mean, I think they were just like, you
went to prison, let's get rid of all this.

Speaker 4 (27:50):
Well, let's get rid of his purses.

Speaker 1 (27:51):
Yeah, they were just like everyone gets rid of people's
purses when they go to prison. He won't use them
when he gets out, they'll be out of style. Yeah,
they're thinking to themselves totally okay.

Speaker 2 (28:03):
So DNA extracted from cigarettes that had picked up near
Smith's body. Thank god, they fucking save them. I definitively
connected John to her death, but before authorities had.

Speaker 1 (28:14):
A viable case. He died of an overdose of medications.
What kind of medication?

Speaker 2 (28:21):
Medications? Just some medication? Pick them oxygen and oxygen tank
I did oxygen take hand heroin? Oh my god, I'm screwed.

Speaker 1 (28:32):
Why would you combine like that? Doesn't make sense.

Speaker 2 (28:39):
When it was ruled an accidental death. So Larimer County
authorities officially closed Smith's case though The Sweet Angel in
twenty ten.

Speaker 1 (28:52):
But they're rule. They're reviewing murders committed.

Speaker 2 (28:55):
In Illinois in the fifties and sixties before John Grew
was convicted of murder, and they're looking at murders in
Colorado between January of eighty two until he was arrested
in August of eighty two, as well as murders near Juliet, Illinois,
from the time he was released from prison eighty nine.

Speaker 1 (29:14):
His Becker's murder.

Speaker 2 (29:16):
Public announcement was made that the case was closed, so
he never got They had a suspect he did it,
but he never got brought to justice and.

Speaker 1 (29:27):
Uh that's a bummer. But at least he's dead. And yeah,
now sean A grew he self medicated himself off this planet,
Thank you Jesus.

Speaker 4 (29:41):
Yeah, yeah, that's crazy.

Speaker 1 (29:43):
So they think he did other murders before he had
to have Yeah, yeah, that's that's him. Hold on, yeah,
oh hello, that's Stephen, like one hundred I'm sorry. If
you part that hair and grow it out on one
side and put some nice curls into it and put

(30:04):
a cat in his hands and it's over.

Speaker 2 (30:07):
Constantly be smiling and constantly be nice and people.

Speaker 1 (30:10):
So nice and never touch knives and not want to
hurt harm one thing. Yeah, that's him dead, dead match.

Speaker 3 (30:17):
Oh yeah, So if you.

Speaker 2 (30:22):
If anyone, I feel like they just need to go
back and look at his like phone book and be like,
these were his friends, Let's call him and see if
they're still alive.

Speaker 1 (30:30):
Yeah, to just start on the phone tree totally. You're like, hey,
here's the thing. Did that ever come at you with
a knife or anything? Well he was going first, because
now you're just.

Speaker 4 (30:47):
You know, right, here's my thing.

Speaker 1 (30:51):
Of all the stories that I looked up, I picked
one that actually took place in Denver because it's a
story that has all the things that I I love
and this.

Speaker 4 (31:01):
Is my podcast.

Speaker 1 (31:02):
So I'd like to tell you all a story you
probably know because it didn't happen too far away.

Speaker 3 (31:11):
Thirty six minutes.

Speaker 1 (31:13):
It's the Spider Man of Denver. I don't know. It's fun. Yeah,
I want to make a joke about the guy that
starred in Spider Man, but there's been so many that
it would everyone would be like, that's not real Spider Man.

Speaker 4 (31:33):
Toby, what's his name?

Speaker 1 (31:35):
All right? Denver, nineteen forty one. Phil Peters, a seventy
three year old railroad auditor, lives in a modest home
at thirty three thirty five West Montcreef Place with his
wife in Denver, Colorado. On October third, she breaks her
hip and is hospitalized. So since Phil is going to
be home alone, his very lovely, nice neighbor tells him

(31:58):
that while she's in the hospital he can come over
for dinner at her house every night, you know, So,
so he does it. He comes over to her house
every night for two weeks until she's like, can I
just don't know how much more I can talk to
him about the weather. I don't like trains that much.

(32:18):
So so the night of October seventeenth, Phil doesn't show
up for dinner, and she gets really worried, so because
he's seventy three, and so she goes over to the
house to check if he's okay, and all the lights
are out and the front door's locked, and when she knocks,
he doesn't come to the door, and that makes her

(32:40):
more worried because she doesn't think he has anywhere else
to go. So she gets a bunch of neighbors together
and says, I'm worried about Phil. I'm afraid he phil
down inside the house or something. I just made that up.
Let's write the scene. Phil is such a good friend
and he loves my cooking, she said to her name

(33:00):
she really just the reality is she just cleared a
bar some milk.

Speaker 2 (33:03):
Yeah, she was like, guys, guys, gather around. I need
to get into Bill's house so I can get some milk.

Speaker 1 (33:08):
Yeah, I'm trying to make a pie. And Phil owes
me big time. He's eating beef's droking off at my
house every fucking night for two weeks. Hot dish.

Speaker 4 (33:18):
Okay. So the neighbors go all around the house.

Speaker 1 (33:21):
They split up in my mind, and they go all
around the house checking doors and windows. They're all locked.
This house was locked up tight. There's they can't get in.
So a girl finds a loose window screen and pulls
it open. They figure out a way to jimmy the
window up. They basically break into the house. She climbs

(33:41):
into the window. They wait, beat four five, also made up.

Speaker 3 (33:48):
They wait screaming.

Speaker 1 (33:50):
They hear screaming. It turns out that she came upon
the murdered body of Phil Peters. He was half dressed,
he was horribly beaten. He had more than twelve wounds
in his skull.

Speaker 2 (34:05):
I feel so bad that I was like, Okay, he's
gonna come over for her hot.

Speaker 3 (34:08):
Dish and kill her. That's what I thought.

Speaker 1 (34:11):
Phil was the man that sounds like, don't come over.

Speaker 2 (34:13):
Where's she gonna talk about fucking weather until he murders her.

Speaker 3 (34:16):
Now I feel really bad.

Speaker 1 (34:17):
Ye'h, Sorry, Phil, it's okay. I just got a message
from Phil. He says it's fine. It actually used to
happen to him a lot. Okay, he was really creepy.
They find the police find his watch and cash on
the dresser, so they rule out robbery as the motive.

(34:41):
But they also realize, and they're told and check and
see that this house is locked up tight, including the
chain being across the front door, which means that there
is a chance that the perpetrator is still in house.
No no, no, no, no no no. Now. In my
movie version of this, they all realiz at the same time,
the neighbors and the cops. They're in a circle and

(35:04):
they're like, well, if that.

Speaker 2 (35:06):
Right, car, so like someone go in there and see.

Speaker 1 (35:11):
Soone should go in. Here's my gun. The cops like
to the girl that went through the window, honey, go upstairs.
See if there's a man hiding our nightstick. Yeah. So
the cops start searching the house and uh they they
scour it. They look every single place for somebody that
could have just murdered Phil Peters that's hiding in the house.

(35:34):
How creepy would that be? Now, But they can't find anything.
The whole place is emptied, No one is in there.
The only thing that they find that's even like of
interest is like a trap door for an attic, but
it's so small that there's no way a person kaya
get up there. So they're like, all right, well, we
don't know what happens. Well, I mean whatever. So, uh,

(35:58):
they're baffled, and the case comes to a standstill. Now, meanwhile,
Missus Peters, whose name I never learned, because who gives
a shit of what the wife's name is. She's joking,
that's not what I'm saying. It's I literally checked like
seven articles and she was always Missus Peters. It was
nineteen forty. Let's all be grateful that we live in
twenty seventeen. So yeah, so, uh, Missus Peters has been

(36:26):
in the hospital with a broken hip. Hey honey, we
have her husband. Yeah. A nurse is like, I have
some news. Now open your mouth and put a pill
in it. Let just take this pill. We don't know
what your name is, but open your mouth. And yes,
nobody knew what her name was, Missus Peters.

Speaker 3 (36:44):
Her name was Missus.

Speaker 2 (36:45):
They were like Jude shity not Jude sounds right.

Speaker 4 (36:52):
So she has to go home now.

Speaker 1 (36:55):
In the amount of time between the murder and Missus
Peters still being in the hospital, the neighborhood hood starts
to get kind of freaked out because neighbors start hearing
noises in the house, and then the cops come and
they check the whole house and there's nothing there.

Speaker 2 (37:13):
Let's also forget about that thing again in this ceiling goodbye,
Oh good call, good call, bookmark that one.

Speaker 1 (37:24):
Then there's a group of kids walking by when one morning,
once snowing morning was live live and they look up
and they see a ghoulish face looking out the window
at them. Oh, don't ever look up.

Speaker 3 (37:43):
Children should never look up.

Speaker 1 (37:45):
Well, down't always. So they uh again call the police.

Speaker 4 (37:52):
The police go in search the hire house and nobody's there.

Speaker 1 (37:56):
So so then basically the neighborhood starts talking that the
Peters house is haunted by Phil Peters, who got murdered
inside the house.

Speaker 4 (38:04):
He's still in there's.

Speaker 1 (38:05):
Got to be it.

Speaker 2 (38:05):
His body's so oh you mean that it was winter,
you mean the ghost got it.

Speaker 1 (38:14):
The cops are like, we're just gonna leave him here
for a while.

Speaker 4 (38:18):
Figures some shit out.

Speaker 1 (38:21):
So by the time missus Peters returns, Gladys Peters returned
to the home. Glad I didn't. That has a nice
flow to it. Gladys Peters. I think that's it. By
the time she gets back the whole, she knows on
the that the whole neighborhood thinks her house is haunted,
but so she uh stays there. I actually think the

(38:44):
real thing that happened is she was there and in
this one article I read, it said, uh, while she
was in the house, she was startled and she fell and.

Speaker 4 (38:53):
Rebroke her leg.

Speaker 1 (38:56):
Oh yeah, fucking Gladys, she's had it hard. Oh man,
I want to like the startled thing. I was just like,
startled by what a face in the window.

Speaker 3 (39:08):
So she doesn't like they probably shouldn't have head.

Speaker 1 (39:11):
Hey, there's a ghost of your husband in the house.

Speaker 3 (39:13):
See you later. Go ahead in there.

Speaker 1 (39:15):
Then everything thinks she does.

Speaker 4 (39:17):
She's like, ooh, up from.

Speaker 2 (39:20):
The ship out of an old woman with a fucking
broken hae.

Speaker 1 (39:23):
Yeah, how about back then they didn't care. They were like,
we don't care what your name is, and we don't
care about your hip at all. So she hires a
nurse to stay with her, and two of them start
hearing noises. The nurse is like no, the nurse is like,
I mean it sounds what. So at night they both

(39:46):
are hearing. The nurse thinks there's something in the walls.
They're hearing something in the walls, and at first they
think it was like what everyone says when you hear noises.

Speaker 4 (39:57):
The house is settling.

Speaker 1 (39:58):
Bullshit, Like it's four hundred rats, that's the first thing.
I think. It's bees, it's so many bees living inside
your home. Or it's a murderer.

Speaker 2 (40:11):
It's what everyone in this audience would think, right, And
I bet they're correct.

Speaker 1 (40:15):
I mean, we'll see, we'll see page two. So, uh sorry,
I had to find a spot. Okay, fuck, here we go.

(40:37):
The nurse gets up one night because she hears a noise. Uh,
stay in bed. She walks out of her room and
down and she sees on the backstairs a thin, filthy
wretch and when she came upon it, it chattered its

(40:58):
teeth at her. Ah, how do you even do the apps?
Can you see that all caps? It shattered its teeth?
How do you do that? Horrible? It's nice with your
teeth because you have nice teeth, but I have good

(41:20):
ghost teeth. Ah.

Speaker 2 (41:22):
Oh, short and scary picture then, like they're all pointed.

Speaker 1 (41:26):
Yeah, shaved down. Oh, okay, it's for the movie. It's
for the movie.

Speaker 4 (41:34):
So I wrote this.

Speaker 1 (41:36):
And right after letting the police know what she saw
that night, she pieced out as far as she was
too humanly possible, so she said. She was like, no,
thank you so much. She left and Missus Peters, Maureen Peters,
is by herself, so a kindly neighbor, perhaps the same

(41:59):
one dinner for every fucking body, comes over and she's like,
I'll stay with you.

Speaker 3 (42:03):
No, take her out of the home and take her
to your house.

Speaker 1 (42:06):
They're like, it's like every it's like every Haunted House
movie where it's like, you know what, we're gonna make
this work. They always do that. Go to a hotel.
They're like, I know, we saw a child with like
all black eyes trying to give us a message, but
let's make it work. Yeah, but maybe I won't.

Speaker 3 (42:22):
Maybe I won't see that.

Speaker 2 (42:24):
Yeah, like wheel her over in her gurney to.

Speaker 1 (42:27):
Your house where you like to cook and sleep there.
Maybe take her against her will in her gurney where
she's strapped down.

Speaker 2 (42:36):
Yeah, missus Peters not an individual but a wife.

Speaker 4 (42:41):
Only right, I don't know that.

Speaker 1 (42:43):
Everyone's just like I'll cook beaty boot, okay, so sleepover.
Here's the nice neighbor and Missus Peters like, come on,
goes aren't real. Several nights later, the neighbor here something
rattling around in the kitchen.

Speaker 3 (43:02):
Like, are you surprised?

Speaker 1 (43:04):
Is she surprised at this point? Well? No, In fact,
she's quite brave, because she gets up and she runs
to the kitchen without turning on any lights.

Speaker 2 (43:15):
Yeah, yeah, could please tell me she has four knives
in her hand, Like, that's the only way I'd be
impressed by that.

Speaker 1 (43:22):
She's just like she has scissor hands.

Speaker 3 (43:26):
She slept with knives taped to her hand.

Speaker 1 (43:30):
It's the only thing that was going to make a difference.

Speaker 2 (43:32):
I hope she didn't have an itch on her face
at any point.

Speaker 1 (43:37):
Uh. When she gets to the kitchen, she sees a
ghost standing at the foot of the stairs. She said,
it was a filthy wraith like thing that vanished when
she screamed.

Speaker 3 (43:52):
Vanished because he ran to the side.

Speaker 4 (43:55):
But I don't just actually just in a nice side.

Speaker 3 (43:58):
Step, she said, vanish. But yeah, he just side he.

Speaker 4 (44:01):
Crab walked out of there.

Speaker 3 (44:04):
Yeah yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (44:07):
Uh. And then I wrote long story short. Missus Peters
went to live with her son in western Colorado, so
that was it that last one? Was it? They gave up?
They're like, fuck, this noise all over the place.

Speaker 3 (44:19):
ID have told him that from the beginning.

Speaker 2 (44:22):
So that's from the point where do you find a
dead body in the house, don't sleep there anymore?

Speaker 1 (44:27):
Yeah, it's true, but I think back then it was
like you buy your house and you pay off your mortgage,
and then you're retired and then you and your husband
that used to work at the railroad yard or whatever.
Who's not dead but one. Okay, God, I'm just trying.

Speaker 4 (44:45):
I'm just trying to talk you through it.

Speaker 3 (44:46):
Sorry, I'm mad. I mean, I'm clearly.

Speaker 1 (44:48):
I just wanted you to see the logic of staying
where multiple times people have spotted ghosts and heard terrible things.
Uh huh, keep having We're terrible things happen. I'll stay
living there. I guess I've only lived in like apartments
in my life, so I don't get like having an
attachment to a house in anyway like change it great, Okay,

(45:11):
we do. We don't know why people make the decisions
they make, but this is what happened.

Speaker 4 (45:15):
So finally, now.

Speaker 1 (45:15):
The house is just sitting empty. Okay, there's but because
of the rumors of the paranormal or something going on there.
The cops stake the house out every once in a while.
So one night on July thirtieth, nineteen forty two, ooh, that.

Speaker 2 (45:31):
Sounds fun, right, stake out in the forties.

Speaker 4 (45:34):
Take out in the forties.

Speaker 1 (45:35):
Imagine the coats and the smoking with the.

Speaker 3 (45:38):
Sunflower seed piling up.

Speaker 1 (45:39):
Thing fucking big old, a huge car, a car that's
three times the size of any car now.

Speaker 2 (45:46):
A slurpy size of like popcorn thing, size of hot
black coffee.

Speaker 4 (45:51):
Yes, but it's not popcorn in it.

Speaker 1 (45:55):
Yeah, that's how I used to do it. Coffee at Starbucks.

Speaker 2 (45:59):
Can I have a grande black popcorn copy extra butter,
extra butter.

Speaker 1 (46:05):
That's gonna be a thing. Okay. So as they're sitting
there watching the house, the mailman comes walking up the
street light of day, normal day on July thirtieth, nineteen
forty two. And as the mailman walks up, one of
the cops who's looking still looking at the house. He
doesn't give a shit about the mailman.

Speaker 4 (46:26):
He's still looking at the house. He sees the.

Speaker 1 (46:29):
Curtains pop open and a face lookout, and right as
it happens, he nudges the other cop, and the other
cop turns to look as the curtains close, so they're
both like it's fucking on, like Donkey Kong. They get
out of the cop car. At what point? At what
point does that first cop change the pants that he peeed?

(46:50):
All I can picture is the face of that face
that comes up really fast and goes away in the
extra cists. That's all I'm seeing when I think about
this face really fast.

Speaker 2 (47:05):
So but this time with like flowered curtains, lace forties curtains,
maybe even a Paisley Paisley print, or just a faded linen.

Speaker 4 (47:17):
In the film.

Speaker 1 (47:18):
Now, the two cops get out and run to the
house while walking on sunshine plays because it's my film,
and they get oh, they whistle. They whistle. Their cop
whistles for assistance, which is precious. And then can you
do it? What can you whistle? I want to hear it. Well,

(47:40):
they have whistles. But when I have whistle, think you
I get it. No, I asked her, and I can't whistle.
So when the audience is like, wait, I can whistle,
they have a whistle, I get oh, got it? I
get it now.

Speaker 4 (47:58):
Maybe they had whistles too.

Speaker 1 (47:59):
They're like, this is from nineteen forty two, asshole. I
bought it on eBay.

Speaker 3 (48:04):
It's the one from the murder.

Speaker 1 (48:07):
They go into the house, immediately hit with the wall
of odor. It has like an animal smell inside the house,
a supposedly empty house for three months. They start They
head upstairs and they start searching. And as they're, you know,
walking down the hallway scared. Maybe they're new ones.

Speaker 2 (48:27):
Old one's young's about to have a baby.

Speaker 3 (48:30):
Like as much so that a.

Speaker 1 (48:31):
Baby about to have a baby, This one's about to retire.
It's too old for this shit. You've seen it, you
love it. As they pass a doorway, one of them,
I like to think it's the one who didn't see
the face, So it's even one of them. Yeah, pass
the doorway, sees a closet door shut, so he goes in.

(48:54):
He opens the closet door, and he looks up and
there's that trap door open with some dirty, dirty feet
hanging out of it. Right, they told them to open
that door, told them, and they didn't listen. I forgive

(49:15):
you for not doing I mean, not that it matters.

Speaker 3 (49:17):
They forgive you for.

Speaker 4 (49:18):
Not doing a bolo Okay.

Speaker 1 (49:21):
So this cop jumps up and tries to catch a foot.
Don't touch it, ew, dirty, dirty, dirty, dirty, dirty feet.
He instead catches a pant leg and it tears off
in his hand, and it's like super tattered, shitty cinegrades.

Speaker 3 (49:40):
It's like tired shitty pants.

Speaker 1 (49:42):
I mean, get out of here shitty pants. That's the new,
the new style tired pants. Yeah. He jumps up again,
both of his hands catch onto one of those feet,
and he fucking yanks it down out of the attic.
I know it feels like a victory.

Speaker 3 (50:04):
Oh oh, that means it's not.

Speaker 1 (50:07):
And down comes Oh my god, oh my god, Am
I good? A filthy, emaciated man in very tattered clothing
named Theodore Comi's who immediately passes out onto the floor.

Speaker 3 (50:20):
Bullshit, that's like playing bed.

Speaker 4 (50:22):
Oh you think he's faking it?

Speaker 1 (50:23):
Yeah, well we could. We could play with that in
the film, where you're not sure if he's really lost.

Speaker 2 (50:28):
Consciousness, keeps opening one eye.

Speaker 1 (50:33):
He's like a little kid pretending to sleep where his
eyes are moving around too much under his lids. Yeah good,
I like this, Someone writes, Steveen, are you writing down
our stamy script? Okay? So uh he this man is
in his mid sixties, he's five foot ten any weighs

(50:53):
one hundred and thirty seven pounds.

Speaker 4 (50:55):
Whoa quite thin?

Speaker 1 (50:58):
Yeah. Uh so the whole of this trap door, they say,
was a little bit less than three times the size
of a cigar box. So it's like dank, dank, dank
however you would imagine. So this ish no, I think
like cigar bocks, like done a little big right? Uh yeah,

(51:20):
well then you go right, then you have to go
don't go wide.

Speaker 3 (51:24):
They're not end to end, are they.

Speaker 1 (51:26):
It's a square. You're right, I get it. Here's the thing.
It's very small.

Speaker 3 (51:31):
Listen, I don't know math.

Speaker 1 (51:35):
I don't know cigars.

Speaker 3 (51:36):
I don't know cigars. Those are my two only things.

Speaker 1 (51:39):
I don't know. Shit, sorry, I should have brief do
It's a fucking.

Speaker 3 (51:43):
Tiny hole, teeny tiny.

Speaker 1 (51:45):
Uh. So they go up, it was so they go
up and they're like, we can't They can't even get
up into the attic. The hole is so small because
they're normal sized men. Do we have any pictures yet?
Which is do we have pictures? Oh? Maybe?

Speaker 4 (52:00):
Could I throw a picture up?

Speaker 1 (52:01):
Let's see what happens? Is got him there? He is,
I'll cleaned up. That's the cleaned up. That's the ghost.
He looks like a bummer. He's just really dry and sarcastic. Yeah,
he's in a band, really angry eyes. He actually looks

(52:21):
like what Mimi looks like most of the time, just
grumpy as fuck. Men from me. Okay, So they look
up into this attic. It's got a single light bulb
hanging from a wire. He's got a bed that's made
of an ironing board. Okay, massochist, Oh no, no, no, massacre.
He's got like a little bedding. He's got a bunch
of megal torn up magazines everywhere. Just said magazines in

(52:44):
my movie. Those are straight up triple X porn magazine. Yeah,
he's not looking through like Boy's Life or.

Speaker 2 (52:51):
Whatever, or what's the what's one of the like nineteen
forties like movie Star.

Speaker 1 (52:55):
It's not that you will call it movie Star because
we won't be able to clear anything else for the urd.
Totally right, totally okay. And it smells so bad. He's
been in there, hasn't he, Because he's been shitting and
pissing up there.

Speaker 3 (53:09):
There's a toilet downstairs, but.

Speaker 2 (53:11):
The flush Okay, So what the flush?

Speaker 1 (53:16):
No, of course you did it. Why would you say that,
what the flush? No, it's not like that's a that's
a mean Uh Okay. So they have to take into
the hospital because he is so thin they think he's
going to die. When he's released from the hospital, he's
brought into the police station for questioning. So he tells
them the story. Keid So as a child, he's suffered

(53:38):
from such bad health that doctors told his parents he
wouldn't live to see his eighteenth birthday. And for some
reason they told him that. Uh yeah, They're like, don't
get attached any kid.

Speaker 3 (53:51):
Don't tell your kids that they're gonna die.

Speaker 1 (53:53):
They're like, don't sweat the small stuff, and we really
mean that, like really or the big stuff. Try not
to sweat. It's bad for you. So so he quit school,
which I would to. Somehow he learns to play the mandolin,

(54:15):
which is actually kind of perfect. He is in the
Mandolin Club in Denver, which I'm sure a lot of
you are in also, and that's how he met Phil
Peters thirty years prior. Wow. Yeah, So he was a
very sickly kind of young man that didn't do that
much and you know, had a hard time breathing. It

(54:37):
was like, baby, so's murder, murder. Your response is O
baby in minds I rolled my eyes. He can't breathe.
Calm down, Calm down with your sickness. Uh. He. When
he got older, he at one point worked in ad sales.

(54:57):
He was also a bookkeeper at the Denver Brass Work.
Ax sales. Yeah, ex body spray sales. It was they
invented it in nineteen thirty nine. Ad sales. You said
it just smelled like cigarettes back then add vertising sales.
But his poor health prevented him from ever establishing a career,

(55:19):
and so he basically spent most of his adult life
as a transient. So by the fall of nineteen forty one,
thirty years later, he had just been had been out
like on the road, traveling around, and he'd been doing
it for so long and just getting sicker and sicker
because he was spending winters outdoors. Do we know what

(55:40):
he had?

Speaker 4 (55:42):
Just like just shitty lungs.

Speaker 1 (55:46):
In the In my movie, the doctor will flip open
a like a thing and be like, we're so sorry, Theodore,
You've got a case of shit long and then he'll cry.

Speaker 3 (56:00):
That technically just fucking suck.

Speaker 4 (56:03):
Yeah, I mean there's no there's no upside, no cure.
So he was back in.

Speaker 1 (56:10):
The Denver area around October nineteen forty one, and he
knew he could not survive another winter outdoors. So he thought, oh,
maybe if I go to Phil Peter's house, he will
help me out. But when he got to the house,
nobody was home and the front door was open because
Mildred had He was with Mildred in the hospital.

Speaker 4 (56:28):
That's right, what there's is it?

Speaker 1 (56:33):
Gardian Alden late, I have some wishes. So he opens
the door and he's like, I'm just gonna steal some food. Yeahuse,
I'm fucking starving. Yeah, five ten and I weigh one
thirty seven. Yeah, so that's like what I wear. Nope,

(56:55):
that's what I weigh oxygen, but I'm have shorter than that.
You're five shorter, so that would be real thin. It
would be tough. Yeah, but you could go into attics
whenever you want it. It's true upside. So so he
said he went in, he stole some food and then

(57:16):
realize this was this opportunity. So he started looking around
the house and he saw that trap door and he
was like, this could be the way that I don't
have to be outdoors for the rest of this winter.

Speaker 2 (57:28):
Or you could have waited for Phil to get home
and im like, hey, buddy, I really need a place
to say.

Speaker 1 (57:33):
Yeah. I mean you could, but maybe Phil was just
like half a deck. Maybe Phil was just like he
was like kind, but he would hold it over you,
so he'd be like, sure you can, you can stay
and have a banana, and then you need to then
just stairs. Yeah, just okay, we won't put it in

(57:56):
the movie. Fuck, people have spoken.

Speaker 2 (57:59):
Okay, who plays Phil?

Speaker 1 (58:03):
Good? I love this, I love this. Let's work with
this one for a minute. I mean, off the cuff,
I wanted to say Bill Pullman is he but he's older?

Speaker 3 (58:12):
Isn't he an older man?

Speaker 1 (58:13):
I think he's older than Bill Pullman and I think Phil.
I think Phil's in his seventies, right, so let's right,
he was seventy. Then we're doing Tommy Lee Jones as Phil. Yeah,
that's good, right, Okay, it's real. It's gritty, and I
just like him. One time in La we were driving

(58:35):
up I think it was You're looking at me like
I'm gonna just starting naming streets. Well, I mean that
would that would be the fun thing. Queana, let's feel
us what area it was, Pantamonic? I think it was
Dohani where the Four Seasons is. Yeah, yeah, and we're
driving up it and there's a little bit of traffic

(58:56):
and the Four Seasons Hotel, which just very fancy as
you well know, is right there where lots of celebrities
go to just hang out. And as we were stopped
in traffic, I looked him. There's a black Mercedes and
the window rolls down. It's fucking Tommy Lee Jones and
I went like this and he was like, he gave
me the old second sailor salute.

Speaker 3 (59:20):
That's a good one.

Speaker 2 (59:21):
And even in La you guys think like, we don't
see a lot of good ones.

Speaker 1 (59:25):
No, there's very few, few, few good ones. Yeah, there's
you'll see some people from the CW. They're beautiful. They're
very beautiful. Yeah, and similar, but a TLJ you're not
going to get that every day. It was fucking magic.

Speaker 2 (59:43):
I saw Simon Cowell what but out the window of
the car I was and I was in the passenger's
side seat and I saw him. He was he pulled
up next to us with his window rolled down. But
unfortunately I didn't see him before I had belched loudly.

Speaker 1 (01:00:01):
Out the car.

Speaker 2 (01:00:02):
Window right as fucking Simon Cow's holds up and is
like whatever, like a you know a car that Masa.

Speaker 3 (01:00:08):
I don't know Masara who people drive.

Speaker 4 (01:00:10):
Everybody drives Maserati's.

Speaker 1 (01:00:13):
Corbet. I don't out you know. Did he love it?

Speaker 3 (01:00:17):
I just hid.

Speaker 1 (01:00:18):
He's like a little pitchy, A little pitchy. Yeah, he
ignored me. Well then I just will say juicy, We'll
just keep doing this. One time on Laurel Canyon, I'm
up to trying to take a left on the Ventura,
you know, and it's where all the studios are. It's
literally called Studio City. And as I you know, it's

(01:00:41):
very nerve racking to make left hand turns in Los
Angeles and I just moved there like probably two years before.
It's very scary. You have to you have to really,
you have to attack the intersection. You have to take
your space. Pissed at you behind you.

Speaker 4 (01:00:53):
You can't win. You always do it wrong.

Speaker 1 (01:00:54):
It's bad. So I'm out there really trying to like it,
take my place in the world of this intersection. Well,
who comes up in a light blue jag. But mister
Clint Eastwood.

Speaker 2 (01:01:07):
Karen, you get all the cat gruff, older one, I get.

Speaker 1 (01:01:10):
This fucking man. And he was because the sun was
shining in his eyes, so he was like, oh, he
looked like he was doing a Clint Eastwood impression the
whole time. It was fucking so rad.

Speaker 4 (01:01:24):
It was so rad.

Speaker 3 (01:01:26):
Billy Bob Thornton.

Speaker 2 (01:01:27):
Okay, yes, the gruff, fucking I'm just yetting saying his name.

Speaker 3 (01:01:32):
No, I saw him once, what about?

Speaker 2 (01:01:34):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:01:34):
Yeah, I walked right into him.

Speaker 1 (01:01:35):
We were at a book.

Speaker 2 (01:01:36):
Remember when there's borders on Losiana Wall you guys, remember
remember I was walking around around the corner right into someone.

Speaker 1 (01:01:46):
Oh I'm so sorry, ma'am.

Speaker 3 (01:01:49):
He was so polite.

Speaker 2 (01:01:50):
And then Angelina just gives me the sink guy as
she walks by.

Speaker 1 (01:01:53):
Are you they were in borders?

Speaker 2 (01:01:54):
Yeah, like, oh, you tried to walk into my husband?

Speaker 1 (01:01:58):
Yeah you did. I did not?

Speaker 4 (01:02:00):
Did you?

Speaker 1 (01:02:00):
I did not?

Speaker 2 (01:02:01):
And there's a vile of your blood.

Speaker 3 (01:02:05):
That's disgusting what that is?

Speaker 1 (01:02:08):
So goes against everything they were doing at that period
of time.

Speaker 2 (01:02:13):
Yeah, if they wanted a book on does keep your
marriage sane?

Speaker 1 (01:02:17):
Or they're just getting like one of those like map
books about Hiking's like, don't tell anyone we.

Speaker 4 (01:02:23):
Bought this.

Speaker 1 (01:02:25):
Lastly most beautiful woman I've ever fucking seen in my like,
in person in my life. I mean, next left, don't.

Speaker 2 (01:02:30):
Clap, next level. Just that was all I took away,
Not anyways, where were we?

Speaker 1 (01:02:35):
Oh, oh, Angelia Juliet I thought you were building up
to who that person was. No, noo, could it be?

Speaker 2 (01:02:41):
She was so beautiful also like five three though, Oh really, okay,
I'm sorry I thought she was tall.

Speaker 1 (01:02:47):
I know they make it seem that way. There's not.

Speaker 4 (01:02:49):
They're all very small.

Speaker 3 (01:02:50):
They're tiny human beings.

Speaker 1 (01:02:51):
When you go there. If you if you run into
a celebrity, you go to Los Angeles, you run in
celebrity or you will think they're in grammar school at first.

Speaker 4 (01:03:00):
It'll like a Lissa Milano, same deal.

Speaker 1 (01:03:03):
She was the first celebrity I saw in LA and
it immediately made me want to quit what I was doing,
because I was just like, oh, you have to be
four foot eight and ruyan head.

Speaker 4 (01:03:13):
Sixty seven pounds.

Speaker 1 (01:03:14):
Yeah. The only reason we're not famous.

Speaker 4 (01:03:17):
Guys, I have a huge head, and we're persisting. We're
persisting all right.

Speaker 1 (01:03:24):
Back to the film that everyone's been talking about it Sundance. Okay,
So when he's being interviewed by the cops, he basically
says he never meant to harm Fill, but once he
was in there, he like his thing was he's for

(01:03:46):
the first so he altogether he was up in that
attic for nine months, living inside those people's house for
nine months. And at first he would just stay really
really still, and if he heard anybody down stairs, he
would just freeze and stay still all day. But when
it was still Fill in the house, after a little while,

(01:04:08):
he got bored, and he said he would sneak down.
At first, he would sneak down at night and eat scraps.

Speaker 4 (01:04:14):
He would eat out of the garbage.

Speaker 1 (01:04:16):
He needs to stick his finger in the jelly jar
and eat it. Go back upstairs. Who eats jelly raw? Like?
I mean, it was the forties though, that's true. We'll
establish that at the beginning that everybody eats jelly all
the time.

Speaker 4 (01:04:29):
I fucking love it.

Speaker 1 (01:04:31):
Preserve the spoon. Yeah, that's dessert at that lady's house. Okay,
everyone gets this spoonful of jelly and off to bed.
Can I play the lady who cooks for him? Of course?
But the lady that cooks dinner. Yeah, but you have
to read for it. Okay, No, that's how it is
down there. It's show business.

Speaker 2 (01:04:51):
Yea. Look I love you, I want you to be
part of it. But the exacts, I mean, it's my choice.

Speaker 4 (01:04:57):
There's so many line producer has.

Speaker 1 (01:04:59):
To see the perform.

Speaker 2 (01:05:00):
Okay, guys, let's focus not there is everyone dying right now?

Speaker 1 (01:05:06):
Now we're good, okay, Okay, So but then he gets bored, right,
So then what he does is he starts sneaking down
when Phil is still in the house and shadowing him
as he walks around the house.

Speaker 3 (01:05:21):
Everything up until then.

Speaker 2 (01:05:22):
Was like, oh, okay, that sucks. But now I'm like, oh,
you're fucking crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:05:26):
Yes, because he said, uh, the quote is that he
didn't want to hurt him. Shit, I'm not gonna be
able to find it because I've I've gone so far
into my show business fantasy that I have no idea
where I am in this document make up a line.
He well, that's right, this is my movie.

Speaker 3 (01:05:48):
I know what the fuck you want.

Speaker 1 (01:05:50):
He basically said, uh, there it is there, it is.
Are you sure about that? Yeah? No, I'm just reading
to myself. Now what a great story. This is this
is fucking crazy, so we should.

Speaker 3 (01:06:07):
Just stop breading to the audience.

Speaker 1 (01:06:08):
He said. Then I got bolder and I used to
shadow him from room to room.

Speaker 4 (01:06:13):
It was sort of a game. Gave me a thrill.

Speaker 1 (01:06:16):
It was the first time in my life I'd ever
had anyone at my mercy. It's not a game.

Speaker 2 (01:06:23):
It's also not at your mercy because he's choosing to
watch fucking Ed Sullivan or whatever.

Speaker 1 (01:06:28):
Yeah, he's living his life. He doesn't know you're there. Yeah,
that's that's so Theodore. But then here's the rest of
that quote. I didn't want to hurt him. It was miserable,
hot in the summer, and my feet froze dead in
the winter in that attic.

Speaker 4 (01:06:46):
But it was all part of the price.

Speaker 1 (01:06:48):
I was willing to pay.

Speaker 4 (01:06:49):
I guess you can.

Speaker 1 (01:06:50):
I can't tell you why I stuck it out. I
guess because I was in a world all my own.
I used to go down and look out the window
and watch the postman go by. Nobody's written to me
in twenty five years. Whenever I saw people on the street,
I hated them, and I'd go back to my attic.

Speaker 2 (01:07:08):
I relate Nobody's written to me. No for me, He
had gotten one letter. If only Phil was like, oh
this is for you, ched.

Speaker 1 (01:07:18):
Even just a bill or something. No, no, he was
just mad about mail. Everyone's got their reasons, you know.
And then he said about the night of the murder,
everything would have been all right and Phil Peters would
have been alive today if he hadn't caught me robbing
the icebox. His fucking thought that you broke in and yeah,
murdered him. Phil was asking for it. It was him

(01:07:39):
or me. I thought he'd gone out, but he was
taking a nap. I hit him with the stove shaker,
which I've looked it up so many I cannot figure
out what a stove shaker is.

Speaker 4 (01:07:50):
It's like a grate or something.

Speaker 1 (01:07:51):
You should shake the stove with it. In my movie,
it's just going to it's going to be like a
huge like an iron statue.

Speaker 2 (01:07:59):
Okay, well, I like the kitchen angle, though maybe maybe
it could be a cast iron skillet. Okay, I'm not listen.
I'm like, suddenly it's my movie too. But this is
all you know.

Speaker 4 (01:08:13):
I want to work with you, Okay, I will go.

Speaker 1 (01:08:16):
I want to collaborate.

Speaker 3 (01:08:17):
All right, let's keep it.

Speaker 1 (01:08:19):
I think skillet. I don't know how, but.

Speaker 2 (01:08:27):
What about the hot dish tray that he had gotten
from me next door?

Speaker 1 (01:08:33):
It comes back around. She makes cast roles in a
cast iron square that weighs two hundred pounds. Please return
this when you're done, Phil.

Speaker 4 (01:08:42):
And don't break a bone.

Speaker 1 (01:08:44):
Oh Bill, So I hit him with the stove cast
iron skillet when he tried to run for help.

Speaker 4 (01:08:51):
When it was over, I ran to the attic.

Speaker 1 (01:08:53):
I was sitting on the trap door when you were
pounding on it from below the night you found him.
So they actually like went and were like, what's this?
And then we're like, oh, we can't open it, and
probably so then that means it doesn't matter, all.

Speaker 2 (01:09:07):
Right, guys follow through? Just everyone life lesson follow through?
Follow through spit.

Speaker 1 (01:09:13):
So he Theodore companies. Do we have any more pictures?
Steven sent him? You might not. There there we go.
What is it?

Speaker 3 (01:09:23):
I don't Oh it's a strapped doorhouse.

Speaker 1 (01:09:25):
Oh yeah, this is the attic.

Speaker 3 (01:09:27):
Look at that guy's forties hair.

Speaker 1 (01:09:29):
A great, there's the there's the light on the on
the wire. That guy's grace. He isn'tdapper Danne in his hair.

Speaker 4 (01:09:35):
Here's some this is some p.

Speaker 1 (01:09:39):
There's his ironing board bed over there, man, and uh wow,
that's depressing. Okay. He confessed and he was convicted and
sentenced to life prison in the Colorado State Penitentiary. What
if I pronounce Colorado wrong. He went in on a

(01:10:00):
I'mber eighteenth, nineteen forty two, and he remained there for
twenty three years and eventually became the prison librarian. All right,
I mean he died in the prison hospital on May sixteenth,
nineteen sixty seven, and the local press dubbed him the
spider Man of Monk Creep Place, which was the street

(01:10:20):
he lived on, because when Detective Fred Zarna looked into
the attic, which is probably that guy with the red hair,
he said, a man would have to be a spider
to stand it so long up in that place. Here's
your story, everybody.

Speaker 4 (01:10:38):
That was fun.

Speaker 1 (01:10:40):
It was nice.

Speaker 3 (01:10:41):
I cannot tell you how glad I am.

Speaker 2 (01:10:44):
I don't have to follow that, yeah right, yeah right.

Speaker 1 (01:10:48):
It was great. You got to go into those old
creepy ones.

Speaker 2 (01:10:51):
I know, I never did the old creepy ones. I'm
always like, here's a new one. I'll bum you the
fuck out because.

Speaker 3 (01:10:58):
It's reason you're one of your probably to this person.

Speaker 1 (01:11:00):
I'm super real. Yeah you're gonna hate it.

Speaker 3 (01:11:03):
Yeah, all right.

Speaker 4 (01:11:04):
Should we do a hometown murder?

Speaker 1 (01:11:05):
Let's do it. Let's do it.

Speaker 2 (01:11:10):
Hold on, I feel like we have to pick the person,
not who's raising their hand, but who everyone around them
is pointing at.

Speaker 1 (01:11:16):
What's up.

Speaker 2 (01:11:17):
We should pick the person, not who's raising their hand,
but who all their friends are going because they're like
this fucking girl.

Speaker 1 (01:11:22):
Okay, you're not her? No, no, no, no. That's so
they've had enough. I'm not they've had enough time. She
doesn't let me.

Speaker 4 (01:11:36):
Let's do you in the white shirt.

Speaker 1 (01:11:41):
It's just become a rule that I don't get to pick.
Is Vince on the side there he is. You have
to go this way.

Speaker 3 (01:11:53):
Just she said, just turn it on.

Speaker 1 (01:11:56):
I don't know. Just use the microphone the way it's
suppose to be used.

Speaker 3 (01:12:01):
Vince is here.

Speaker 2 (01:12:08):
I swear to gosh, there's no on switch on that thing.

Speaker 1 (01:12:11):
We are not just that.

Speaker 3 (01:12:15):
Hi, those we did it.

Speaker 1 (01:12:20):
Our shirt.

Speaker 3 (01:12:22):
Her shirt says the husband did it?

Speaker 1 (01:12:26):
Can I have that? You can't read?

Speaker 3 (01:12:28):
Yeah, you can't read.

Speaker 5 (01:12:30):
I have been using my college skills to cram uh huh,
but I filled most of the tests.

Speaker 1 (01:12:35):
When I did that. But maybe I can.

Speaker 3 (01:12:37):
Just remember it.

Speaker 4 (01:12:38):
Just talk it out, you'll be fine.

Speaker 1 (01:12:39):
Wait. What's your name? My name is Megan.

Speaker 2 (01:12:43):
Late at Stephen last name.

Speaker 1 (01:12:46):
No, you don't get up. No one gets to yell
at Stephen. Yeah, that's our job. Where are you from?
I am from Ogden, Utah.

Speaker 2 (01:12:56):
Right.

Speaker 5 (01:12:57):
I trecked here with my cousin, Kara Elizabeth it is.
She's been a fan from the beginning and saying, you
have got to listen to this podcast.

Speaker 1 (01:13:05):
Good job, it's our thing. Thank you.

Speaker 5 (01:13:08):
We owe you twenty Between ebola and my favorite murder.

Speaker 1 (01:13:13):
We're the weird ones in our Mormon family. You have
a bola? You have a bola. Don't we like it?

Speaker 4 (01:13:19):
Disease?

Speaker 5 (01:13:20):
Yeah, we like to read about it and then pretend like,
what does it does?

Speaker 1 (01:13:23):
It just deteriorate? It's bad shit.

Speaker 3 (01:13:26):
I love it.

Speaker 1 (01:13:26):
Your eyes will bleed. Okay, well listen. If you survived
ten days, you're in the clare right, Okay, all right,
tell this story.

Speaker 5 (01:13:33):
Okay, So Ogden, Utah is this is the really big
time murder in Ogden.

Speaker 1 (01:13:40):
I'm going to brush over it because it's pretty grizzly.

Speaker 3 (01:13:43):
Great, if you want to know more.

Speaker 1 (01:13:45):
You're here, We'll give you some links at the end.

Speaker 5 (01:13:48):
My mother went to high school with the survivor of
the High Five murders.

Speaker 1 (01:13:52):
Oh hi, I like it so fucked up it is.

Speaker 5 (01:13:56):
I've never heard of this. I hi, friend High five
murders to do it. In April twenty fourth, nineteen seventy.

Speaker 1 (01:14:05):
I crammed and to my let's fuck up a mother
who listen to the later date. I took a cookie today,
but that was that was a news book that was
at noon.

Speaker 5 (01:14:20):
We have great video of me worried that Karen's gonna
yell at me.

Speaker 4 (01:14:23):
Just don't slow, That's.

Speaker 1 (01:14:25):
All I'm talking. Yeah, you got it?

Speaker 5 (01:14:26):
Okay, Oki is so nineteen seventy four. Yeah, we've got
I believe. Her name is Shelly Ainsley. She's eighteen years old.
She works with Stanley Walker. They are in the hi
fi shop that sells speakers, music, you know, total nineteen
seventy fourth thing going on.

Speaker 4 (01:14:44):
It's closing time.

Speaker 5 (01:14:46):
Little sixteen year old Courtney Nay's bit walks in and says, hey,
thanks for letting me park in the parking lot while
I had to run some errands. He's down there talking
with these guys. And that's when these three bastards come
in and uh trying to kill these people. They tie
them up. They dumped draino down their ears.

Speaker 1 (01:15:06):
What hut even and mouth.

Speaker 5 (01:15:10):
Down their mouths and ears they're just the second that
it touches their mouths, they're burned, my.

Speaker 1 (01:15:15):
Stirred, and but they're sorry just right away, right away. Okay.

Speaker 5 (01:15:20):
It's initially the guy that did it said that they
wanted some good stuff, sneakers and things. But then as
they're in there and they've tied them up, he's like, hey,
wait a minute, I got something in the car.

Speaker 1 (01:15:32):
So clearly he's got an idea what he wants. Yeah,
there's a little bit of pre planning.

Speaker 5 (01:15:36):
Keep torturing, so you know, your eighteen year old doesn't
come home from work, your sixteen year old doesn't come
home from running errands. So of course their parents come
to find them and see where are my children? Carol
Naisbit comes to find her sixteen year old son, goes
down in the basement, she is tied, uh, given draino

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and shot.

Speaker 4 (01:15:59):
Same thing happens her. Yes, then I got Orrin Walker.

Speaker 5 (01:16:04):
He comes to find he wants to find his son
Stanley who never came home from work. He comes down there. Uh,
they tie him up and they kick a pen and
I want this part.

Speaker 1 (01:16:16):
Into his ear. You saying, yeah, okay, this part I
want Courtney keep going. You can't pause Courtney's beat. You
were through it, Courtney's beat. In the end.

Speaker 5 (01:16:27):
Uh, these men decide they're going to just shoot everybody.
Everybody dies except for Courtney needsbit.

Speaker 1 (01:16:37):
Now.

Speaker 5 (01:16:37):
This is some bad shit, clearly, But after weeks of
investigation they find the three guys that did it. They
are put to death. Yeah, they are executed, except for
the getaway driver who was out amongst dust. And I've
tried to facebook the ship out of this guy, but
I can't find him.

Speaker 1 (01:16:56):
They didn't know anything. All in the military. They were
They all worked on Hill Air Force Base.

Speaker 4 (01:17:02):
What the fuck?

Speaker 5 (01:17:03):
Which is you know, the central part of Utah? I
mean it's and they were stationed there. They said they
needed money. Their pay sucked as military, and we do
know our military.

Speaker 1 (01:17:12):
Needs to be supported a little bit more. Yes, child
of a serviceman.

Speaker 5 (01:17:16):
But anyway, Uh, Courtney has lifelong ailments from this. Yeah,
he gets married, he has children, He graduates from college,
He lived a full life, and he died last year.
But I do think it was pretty damn amazing. He
still went to high school, he still accomplished things, and
of course became an advocate for victims drinks.

Speaker 1 (01:17:38):
WHOA, that's amazing.

Speaker 5 (01:17:41):
That's old town's old town girl.

Speaker 1 (01:17:45):
You went there. I'm proud of you, Ali. Oh my god.
Yeah wait now take a second, take it in take
a second. Yeah now, yeah, real, look at your girl.
This is hard to do. It's very hard, especially with
that story when you're high and that story. Yeah. Fully,

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but no, I know, I know. No, do you have
a do you have a song you want to sing?
If you want my buck? Okay, thank you.

Speaker 3 (01:18:19):
I need this shirt. I need that shirt.

Speaker 1 (01:18:22):
Thank you so much. Thank you, cousin. You're amazing. Yes,
that's how we do it.

Speaker 3 (01:18:31):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:18:32):
Well. I bet the odds of finding somebody in this
audience that's not high well, would be very very low.

Speaker 3 (01:18:39):
Yeah, oh sure, very low.

Speaker 1 (01:18:42):
Yeah. These days, I bet people just get up in
the morning and they're just like a boot boom boom.

Speaker 2 (01:18:48):
My our uber driver yesterday is an amazing like hippie
chick who probably goes to Burning Man.

Speaker 3 (01:18:54):
We're talking about it.

Speaker 2 (01:18:54):
She works at dispensary, and she was like, yeah, I
have friends who wake up in the morning and have
a fucking weed butter on their toast.

Speaker 1 (01:19:01):
Yeah, and I'm just like, have toasted and smokes weed though, no,
you fucking eat it. And then it like comes on
slow and then all of a sudden, you're like just
walking around at work and you're like, fuck, don't stop smiling,
don't stop smiling. Everything's hill Jess Bechell. Someone asked the
question just say yes, sit at your desk, put on

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your headphones. I didn't realize I had that song in
Mantil right now. That's gorgeous.

Speaker 2 (01:19:30):
They know that was They know that's your new your
next song that might be like how to deal with
being high?

Speaker 1 (01:19:37):
Can you I did that one already, can you? You
have to write it down for me after we're done, Steven, You.

Speaker 2 (01:19:43):
Guys, uh, this is very fucking awesome. This is the
first weekend of our twenty seventeen fall tour.

Speaker 1 (01:19:50):
We are kicking it out on the start night Too
Night Too Colorado, Colorado. What a great fucking place to
start a for Seriously, Yeah, it's like it's very touching,
it's very lovely. How much support we get from you,
guys and love. We really appreciate it and we very

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much want you to stay sexy and Joe. Bye you guys,
Thank you,