September 26, 2016 • 31 mins
Hey! Didn’t see you there. It’s a My Favorite Murder minisode. This week Karen and Georgia read your hometown murders that include the spooky 'Bermuda Triangle Of Murder’ in the Wisconsin town of Kenosha, House Hunters: Quadruple Homicide Edition, a prep school Slender Man murder, and more.
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Speaker 1 (00:15):
Karen, Oh, hello, I didn't see you there. I was
putting my mic up in kind of rock and roll.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
I know, and you're touching it, and it really likes
if you're like touching the face of a lover with
your hands side.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
This mic is my lover. I'm gonna kiss you? Can
I kiss you?
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Can?
Speaker 3 (00:31):
I kiss you?
Speaker 1 (00:32):
I'm just a girl standing in front of a mic.
It's just trying to tell my mic that I love it.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
How's it going?
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Hey, good, Welcome to everyone to my favorite murder Mini Souff.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
What do you mean you just kind of were talking
like this a little bit. I realized that I'm talking
to everyone. Oh you got a little self conscious probably,
I think.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
Yeah, my normal voice and and I like talking voice
are not the same thing.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
Yes, I find when I listened back to these episodes,
my self loathing is only growing exponentially, and so I
have decided to try to stop doing.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
That, shating yourself or listening. Yeah, it's just too much.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
I don't need to listen to my own recorded voice
bullshitting for hours at a time.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
Well, you're not bullshitting, But I also do think as
two people who have a lot of self criticism, yes,
and over and over and over.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
You know what's the.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
Thing hyper critical? Yeah, that we don't. We probably both,
even though every time I listen, I'm.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
Like, we're fucking gray.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
It's definitely I'm left with a fun feeling at the end.
But I do spend a lot of time going like
last episode of the full episode, I cleared my throat
fifteen times in a row, like a person with an
obsessive convulsive disorder, so much so that it scared me
while I was listening to it that you has some
wrong with your throat or that or brain like whatever
(02:02):
it is, that there's something wrong like a tick. Yes, exactly,
like a weird math teacher. And I just the whole
idea of that was, uh, you set me off.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
For the week. Let's stop listening, let's stop record. No, yeah,
let's dein is that listening? Care?
Speaker 1 (02:19):
So that was actually me projecting onto you because I
was like, why are you doing your voice like that?
But really that's me trying to talk about my own
self consciousness.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
And like noticing things and thinking about them too much.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
And turning up the X ray vision where it's just like,
now leave it alone.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
We're not listening anymore. Who gives a shit? I mean,
you can give a shit, but.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
You're wrong, but like an about yourself, give a shit
knowing that you are wrong and flawed.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
Probably probably more okay than you think. Yeah, and maybe
it's just a little bit self obsessed. And who gives
a shit? Is that? I mean it that way?
Speaker 2 (02:57):
No, we really are and it's fine, okay, do this thing. Yeah,
let's read some hometown murders.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
Now we're in LA. This is what you're supposed to
be like here. So this is this is a minniesot.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
Do you guys send us all your hometown murders which
we love to my favorite murder at Gmail. And this
is we've started doing mini episodes so we can just
read them to you so.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
That you someday will hear your own back at you. Yeah, Karen,
you want to go first? Sure?
Speaker 1 (03:21):
Because I really like this one because the subject line
is Kenosha's Bermuda Triangle of Murder.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
Oh, Kenosha, Wisconsin.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
I have my friend Bradford lives somewhere near there, or
grew up somewhere near there.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
Didn't even know it was a place. What's that?
Speaker 2 (03:34):
Didn't even know it was a place? Yeah, Wisconsin, so
listen to this.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
Hi. Please oh in parenthesy.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
This thing kicks off with a parenthetical that says, HI,
please call me Nick.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
If you read aloud, do not use last.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
Name, which is a great reminder, Nick, because I would
have been gone straight into all of your details. I'm
new to the podcast. My cousin told me about it,
and I'm totally hooked. I live in Wisconsin, and I
always felt super weird about being fascinated by Jeffrey Dahmer.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
Now I know I'm a murderingo. Yay, that's nice.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
I was raised in Kenosha, Wisconsin, and I was told
this story about this awful area in town. Kenosha's Murder
Alley is an unpaved strip of land running south from
sixty fourth Street between twenty twentieth and twenty first Avenues,
two blocks away. The downtown business district bustles with activity,
but residents along the alley live with daily apprehension that
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is more akin to an excursion through the twilight zone.
There's something strange out there in that alley. Coroner Thomas
Dwarf told the press in February nineteen eighty one, sort
of a Bermuda triangle of murder. I'd say, holy shit,
what seems to be going on is unexplainable. This is
all the quote Lieutenant Rudy Blots, that's the best name
(04:54):
I've ever heard. Rudy Blots of the Kenosha Police Department
was equally direct, branding the alley a jinx or something.
The happenings quote unquote include a string of seven grizzly
homicides between nineteen sixty seven and nineteen eighty one, their
savagery baffling locals who remark on Kenosha's relative freedom from
(05:15):
a violent crime. Three of these cases have been solved
unrelated to one another.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
Oh my god, they're all unrelated.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
Three of them have been unrelated, but the grim geographical
coincidence has authorities shaking their heads in confusion. The first
alley murder occurred on February ninth, nineteen sixty seven, when
seventeen year old Mary Caldenberg left her home on sixty
four Street to purchase a bottle of pop from the
corner drug store. Four days later, officers discovered her corpse
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in the back of a nineteen forty eight hearse perked
at the City Auto Pound, a mile from her house.
Fully clothed except for her shoes, which were removed and
placed near the body. Mary had been stabbed twelve times
in the neck, chest, forehead, and bass. The case remains unsolved.
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Eleven years later, on January thirty of nineteen seventy eight,
Gerald Burnett, fifty two, was found sprawled in a snowbank
near his home at the mouth of the alley. He
had been beaten to death with a tire iron, killed
in what police described as a robbery. Suspect Stephen Goss
has been convicted and imprisoned for the crime. On May
twenty seventh, nineteen seventy nine, eighty year old Herman Bosman
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was found beaten to death in his burning home on
the alley's east side. Authorities speculate that the fire was
set to destroy evidence of the murder, which remains unsolved
at this writing. A month later, on June twenty third,
Alice Alsner, age eighteen, was unearthed in a rose garden
adjoining the alley. A jury convicted the property owner, twenty
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three year old Thomas Holt, of raping the victim and
strangling her with her own brazier. Holt was sentenced to
die on January twenty sixth, nineteen eighty one, news of
a triple murder rock the neighborhood's fragile peace. Victims Alice Eaton,
John Amon, and Raphael Pertrucci were found dead in Eaton's
home adjoining the alley. Her grandson, Robert McRoberts, was arrested
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and charged with the slayings. Science fiction, mere coincidence. Whichever
local officers and residents along the alley keep their personal
opinions to themselves, agreeing only that quote, there's something going
on out there, keep up the podcast, Stay sexy, don't
get murdered? Nick whoa picture so bad? That's crazy. It's
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so crazy, and you know it's bad news. When the
cop and the corners like, we don't know, it's crazy.
It's a mystery.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
It's on the Twilight Zone. Yeah, that's freaky. Instead of
like we're going to take care of this, it's not.
It's like it's explainable. Feel like nobody panic. They're just like,
we don't fucking know what's going on. Yeah, that's that's
I love that one. That's that's good. That's good news.
Speaker 3 (07:54):
What do you guys? Thank you for sending that? Nick? Yes? Nick,
well done?
Speaker 2 (07:59):
Okay is called I wanted to buy this house and
tell dot dot dot disclosure quadruple homicide.
Speaker 3 (08:08):
Fuck.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
Okay, this is from Charlene. Okay, just gonna jump right
into it. I first heard of my hometown murder a
few years ago when I was house hunting. The town
is Gaston, Oregon, no bigger than six hundred people, and
just on the outskirts of this town is a small
community called Laurelwood. This is where the house I was
interested in was and where I later found out a
quadruple murder took place. The parents my parents told me
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the story and no, I did not buy the house.
It was nineteen seventy seven that my parents were in
their teenage years. My dad worked at the local gas
station where one day dozens of bikers came in to
fill up. They were members of the Hell's Angels of California.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
I've heard of them.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
A week or so later, a quadruple murder took place
in Laurelwood. The victims were a young mother, Margot Compton,
her two six year old twin girls, and a family friend,
Gary Sessler. Vicessler's fiance was the first to happen upon
the scene. She found her fiance still alive, laying on
the ground holding the telephone, gurgling in his own blood.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
Oh god.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
He died shortly after she found him, and she left
to go get help. The police arrived and they found
Gary Cisler, Margot Compton, and her twins all dead from
gunshot wounds. The twins were wearing matching stripe swimsuits and
clutching matching teddy wears. Oh that's horrible, lying face down.
They had each been shot behind the ears.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
Why.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
It was later found out that Margot Compton had moved
into the small town from the California Bay Area to
escape her life of working in a brothel run by
the Hell's Angel. She had recently testified against a Hell's
Angel member for crimes involving prostitution rings.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
That's not good.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
That Angel's member, otis Buck Garrett, was convicted, and while
in jail, he hired a hit man named Robert bug
Eye Bob McClure to find and kill Margo. Bug Eye
Bob came for It looks like it if the kills
were so successful, bug Eyebob would be initiated into Hell's Angels.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
Do you want to kill two children or do you
want to be in Hell's Angels.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
Well, I need friends and I love motorcycles. So yeah,
I guess I'll kill two children just by it.
Speaker 3 (10:13):
Like, just join the CD of the Month club. Just
grow your beard and listen to zz Top. You're a loser.
I just said that about I know. Should we even
be reading again. I don't think there's strong these days.
I don't think they're violent. I'm sorry, folks, I'm sorry
for being rude. Hell's Yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
He was accompanied by a fellow hitman named Benjamin Psycho Silva,
who made the trip to Oregon to carry out the murders. Also,
the contract was not only to kill Margo, but to
make her watch her two girls be shot. That first Gary,
the family French, just happened to be in the wrong
place at the wrong time. This case went in Saltontail
nineteen ninety four only because bug Eye Bob, while in
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prison for who knows what, bragged of fellow inmates of
his killings. Eventually, him and Buck were convicted and given
four life sentences. Psycho Silva was not charged because he
was already in prison on death row for kidnapping, raping,
and killing two college kids in the eighties. Oh and
On a side note, I just googled Psycho Silva and
his murder conviction was reversed in two thousand and five.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
Whoa fuck, We're going to be murdered. Wow? I can't
find any updates after that. What the fuck?
Speaker 2 (11:16):
Maybe you guys can do some research and follow up
on this for a possible my favorite murder theme, No,
could be duh, he is the killer, but conviction reversed.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
Yeah, so he's still out there. Let's tell everyone that
I can't help it.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
Say in an Oprah voice, you got off on a technicality,
and you got off on a technicality. That's my favorite
hometown murder. Thanks for talking, Emma's for murder, Charlene. Shit,
that's a good one. Oh fucked up, ma'am.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
Is there anybody that tries to join the Hell's Angels?
Name like responsible Jim?
Speaker 3 (11:51):
That's all I could think of. They call him. They
call him Jim the nice guy, the whispering man. Oh Jim,
the kind of women, the male feminist.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
Jim the male feminist wants to join our game, our motorcycle.
Speaker 3 (12:09):
Jim the feminazi smith wants to He'll get in your
face about social issues. He makes a mean, hot dish.
Oh that's rough.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
I know that back in the seventies, Hall's Angels were scary.
It would be like they would just come to a
town and everyone would be kind. I mean, that's what
all those Charles Bronson movies are about. Yeah, he's like
the lone sheriff and then there's just like fifty motorcycle
gang members there to raise hell.
Speaker 3 (12:34):
Yeah, I just don't think they're like that anymore.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
Well, then mask came out and you saw the softer
side with Cher and her boyfriend sam Neil.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
Sam. Wow, it's not Sam Neil. That guy's British. I
don't know anything about it. I thought Stephen was making
a sam Neil face at me. He's just enjoying the podcast.
I'll read it.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
More.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
This one, yeah, one more. This one's from Genie and
the subject line is an all girls' prep school, a
seven foot killer and a loyal dog. Whoa girl, Genie,
you nailed it speaking my language.
Speaker 3 (13:09):
Hi, ladies.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
First of all, I love you both, and I can
totally tell your voices of war.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
Thank you. Good job, Genie.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
I know you get a lot of these, so hopefully
my subject line caught your interest because this one's a doozy.
Speaker 3 (13:21):
It did good job.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
I went to an all girls' prep school named the
Madeira School for.
Speaker 3 (13:27):
A school for high school for it can't be right?
Did they teach you right? It was everybody majored in redundancy.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
Sorry.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
We love you, we love you, we love you.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
From the moment I got there, I heard stories about
the fourteen year old girl who was murdered in the wood,
so naturally I did some research. She's a lifelong murdering
now first and foremost to campus is on three hundred
and seventy six acres of land, with the main campus
using about five percent of it. The unused portion is
basically all woods. That here's your movie.
Speaker 3 (14:00):
We're in.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
This is scene one, right, Yeah, FOG's rolling in all forest,
all girls, all girls, and.
Speaker 3 (14:07):
A monster and dog.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
And then like, can there be like a strict teacher
who in the end turns out to be the one
that saves them all? Yes, like a Snape, a snap Snape,
but a lady totally you were thinking of a lady Snape.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
Yeah, missus Snape Snape's girlfriend anyways. On October twenty ninth,
nineteen seventy three, fourteen year old Natalia her name was
Tasha parentheses. Semler was tortured and murdered by twenty three
year old John Gilraith in the woods on campus. Oh No, Tasha,
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who was a small five foot one ninety pound girl,
was walking from the school's chapel till lunch so daytime,
but never made it to the dining hall. Later that day,
her family thought it was strange when she didn't come
home from school, and her parents so it was you
didn't stay there, and it was like you'd go home,
so you'd go to school in the woods and then
come home.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
So it wasn't a boarding school. It was like a
it was just four girls.
Speaker 1 (14:59):
Yeah, later that to your family thought it was her
and she didn't come home from school. Her parents called
the head mistress, her friends, etc. Missus Snape, but they
didn't panic. They called missus Snape on her red phone
on her desk, but didn't panic since bad things rarely
happened in Northern Virginia at the time.
Speaker 3 (15:16):
Yeah, it was the seventies.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
As dinner time came and went and they started to
worry and called the police, who didn't think much of
it and kind of wrote it off right away. Yeah,
teenager being rebellious. They didn't start investigating until several hours later,
and we all know that typically the first few hours
that a person is missing are the most critical.
Speaker 3 (15:36):
Duh the police. That was in the email.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
The police arrived on campus at around nine pm. She
was missing since before lunch. Hello, also in the email.
They found her bike and backpack near the woods, but
it had rained heavily, making it very difficult for dogs
to track her sense, so instead of looking any further,
they called the search off because that's totally normal. Parents
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obviously weren't ready to give up, so the following morning,
around six am, Tasha's father.
Speaker 3 (16:05):
Went to the campus with her beloved.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
Golden retriever Tilly. Within minutes of arriving, Tilly Found's body.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
Tilly did it? Tilly found her? Till you think Chili
was so scarred from that?
Speaker 1 (16:19):
Yes, I hear a scarred golden retriever.
Speaker 3 (16:25):
Worse, We have to we have to stop recording. Oh no, Tilly.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
Tasha's body was found beaten, bruce, scraped, and naked from
the waist down by her father and tomb.
Speaker 3 (16:39):
This is two worse people who could find her.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
Her hands were tied so tightly by blanket scraps that
they were black from lack of circulation.
Speaker 3 (16:47):
She was tied to a tree. Oh, this is awful.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
They also found a gag stuffed in her mouth. Should
puncture wounds on our back and chest, apparently from a screwdriver.
The wounds, along with multiples and bruises on her face,
indicated she had been forced to endure prolonged tortures.
Speaker 3 (17:04):
Horrible.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
She bled profusely died from shock exposure and fatigue after
being outside and tortured for over ten hours in thirty
degree weather.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
So they would have found her, Yes, it looks like it.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (17:19):
Holy.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
Reports indicated that she had not been raped, but that
there were open wounds on her ankles from trying to
escape the ties. She was just four hundred feet behind
the chapel.
Speaker 3 (17:30):
Oh my god.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
John Gilraith was almost seven feet tall, what the fuck?
And two hundred pounds Oh no, and had been convicted
of seven sex related incidents prior to attacking Tasha.
Speaker 3 (17:43):
How many does it take? Sounds like eight.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
He also previously abducted and molested another fourteen year old
girl from Madera for over two hours. Originally, he was
sentenced over fifty years in prison for this last crime,
but was released with the sentence suspended on the condition
that he go to a mental institution. Not even a
year later, he was given out patient status.
Speaker 3 (18:05):
What the fuck.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
On the twenty ninth of October, he returned to Madara
to prove that he had suppressed his irresistible impulses to
attack girls. After Tasha's murder, John Gilraith was convicted and
sentenced to fifty years.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
Tasha's parents tested by fifty that means he could get
out still.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
Nope, because he died in December of two thousand and nine.
Speaker 3 (18:26):
That's so recent. And she says she's not sure if
he died in jail or what. But he's gone.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
Stay sexy, don't get murdered, and also make sure your
pets know you're sent just in case.
Speaker 3 (18:36):
Okay, By Genie, MEMI would you find me?
Speaker 2 (18:40):
She's like after my naps, She's like, I don't even
know where I am half the time.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
That was, Oh my god, crazy bummer, intense, but also
awesome and how awful it was.
Speaker 3 (18:50):
That's a crazy story that we have been. Would never
have heard.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
Seven feet My father's six foot four and he is
a very large man.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
Two hundred pounds is like big. No, I guess not
that big for someone seven feet doll's. Actually he's like
a raith. He's like a big skinny monster in the
woods in the wood scary.
Speaker 3 (19:08):
All right, you got one, you got a can you
deal with it?
Speaker 2 (19:13):
No?
Speaker 3 (19:14):
I have another murder story that was Yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
It seems like this theme has really painted us into
a corner in terms of.
Speaker 3 (19:22):
Should we change the name of the podcast about rainbows
or something that Yes, it's called rainbow Time with Karen
and Georgia.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
We should start like an after the podcast where we
just talk about the best things that have ever happened.
Speaker 3 (19:33):
That's actually a great idea.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
We at the end of us, we're gonna we're gonna
tell each other one thing that made us really.
Speaker 3 (19:39):
Happy this week. Okay, good, all right, until I'm gonna
cry silently away from my mic.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
This is just called Hometown Murder by Kelly Hi. I
recently discovered your podcast and need list of sam obsess.
You ladies are my murder soul sisters. I live in Lakewood, Colorado,
where I grew up. When I was about six years old,
a little boy, are you ready for this?
Speaker 3 (19:58):
Yeah? Here we go?
Speaker 2 (19:59):
Was brutal and murdered in the Green Belt where we
used to spend endless summer days playing swimming, catching snakes, etc.
Jacob McKnight was the same age as me and went
to a neighboring elementary school. My brother knew his older brother.
They played sports and stuff. Anyways, Jacob was tagging along
with his older brother and his friends one day down
at the green Belt. The story goes they were giving
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him a hard time and he was younger, you know
the deal, older brother being a dick and whatnot. They
ended up leaving him behind as and took off on
their bikes. A man approached Jacob allegedly this dude Chin
Chi Nn and offered to help him get home. He
took him to the seven eleven on the corner and,
according to surveillance videos, bought him a slurpe before taking
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him back across the streets at the green Belt, where
he raped and stabbed him like a hundred times.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
He stashed his body under this fallen tree, where it
was later discovered a few years after that, the family
burned the tree. I remember driving by it and seeing
it up in plames with a small crowd gathered around it.
The bench was made a memorialized Acob and was later vandalized.
They never solved the case. It remains cold to this day.
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WHOA Anyway, this still haunts me to this day. I
have a little boy of my own now, and they
can tell you he will never ride his bike alone
or with friends until he's like thirty seven.
Speaker 3 (21:18):
Oh, how fucked up is his brother? Yes, that's the
first thing I thought of.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
Yeah, it's those the decisions you makes a kid that
you should not be having to make.
Speaker 3 (21:27):
Yeah, because you shouldn't be out by yourself. No, And
it's good that.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
I it's good that people are helicopter parents now because
when you're out on your own and you're eight and
your brother's six, you're going to make the wrong decision
totally always.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
You don't, I mean unless it's hit home as it
was when we got old, like in the later like
in the eighties and so like stranger d injury. Yeah,
don't talk to strangers, Like, don't if someone says they
know your parent, they don't know your parents.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
We didn't.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
They didn't know that before like what eighty five or something. No,
I mean like pockets of people knew it.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
But yeah, yeah, and the whole it was like, no,
just walk around if people try to offer you a ride,
you know.
Speaker 3 (22:04):
Just play it as it lays and figure out.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
Adults are authority figures and you need to say yes
sir and yes ma'am and do what adults tell you
to do.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
That's the one thing I have to say. I'm so
grateful that my mom. My mom had two alcoholic parents
and she was an only child, so she basically raised herself,
and so she was super from a very early age,
made sure my sister and I both understood adults were
not authority figures and we didn't have to listen to
adults and if anyone ever made us feel uncomfortable, like
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she laid the groundwork of all that stuff super early.
She was also a psychiatric nurse, but she had she
like being a person who had to like fend for
herself essentially in all of life.
Speaker 3 (22:47):
She experienced and was like that, you don't need to
do this.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
If an if adult ever yells at you or raises
their voice, you leave, you call me. You like that,
you don't have to take shit from people, especially adults.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
Yeah, I always liked I think wrote recently somewhere on faceboo,
I'm sorry, I'm not getting you any credit. Or I
saw this somewhere that someone that a parent says to
their kid, there is no reason for an adult to ask.
Speaker 3 (23:10):
A child for help.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
Yes, so if a guy comes to ask you to
help him find his dog, or to help look for
any something or he needs, there's.
Speaker 3 (23:19):
Children do not get asked for help by adults.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
No, So don't ever fall for that or nor mom
needs you, let me come, let me help you, you know,
let me take you to her.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
I like that we're saying this as if his six
year olds are listening to listen to your mommy would never.
Speaker 3 (23:35):
Yeah, so kids get rapped all the time.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
Oh no, so dark, it's so dark. But I like,
I think of my nephew and I'm like, he would
never be alone. No, he would know what those times
are over. It's kind of a beautiful thing.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
Yeah, those times are over where it's like, yeah, people
realize there's plenty of very sick people in this world,
and you have to like, your kids aren't just to
be turned loose into the field.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
But it's so crazy, because do you think about, like
if I saw a six year old walking alone down
the street, I would be like, get in the fucking car,
like you can't be walking alone. But then they're always like,
don't get in the car.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
And then they would pull a gun on you because
they'd be like, ma'am, it simply isn't done, and then
you go to prison. Did I ever tell you that
story of when I was driving in Silver Lake and
I was driving it was nighttime alonger with the Park
Boulevard kind of behind Hyperion.
Speaker 3 (24:26):
Dark could stark over there dark, yeah, not a lot
of street lights.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
And I saw a little kid, he probably was like
nine years old, running up the street and he as
I was driving, it was kind of slow because it
was like there's a bunch of stop sign. Yeah, he
looked into the car and was looking into the car.
So I stopped and rolled the window and I go,
are you okay? And then he stopped running and goes,
oh yeah sorry, and then like ran up a driveway.
But I think he maybe thought it was like his
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friend mom or I don't know what it was, but
there was this four second period of time where I'm like,
this child is being pursued and I need to get him.
Speaker 3 (25:01):
Karen, thanks, thank you very much. A great person. And
then you're beautiful you have a button nose. Look at
small's nos that isn't goddamn button. I want to sew
that on that coat. It is. It should be on
a Teddy Bear's jacket.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
It is just And how do you get past tsa
with those sharp cheekbones kind of they let you on
an airplane with those weapons of mass destruction.
Speaker 3 (25:30):
That's where we ended. We ended on it up. Now
we did it. What made you happy this week? Oh uh?
Speaker 2 (25:36):
I think all the all the messages from people who
have had the back and psiatic problems that I had. Yeah,
last episode yep, or the episode before they everyone was
so nice and offered so many solutions and were so
It was just like this really nice outpourting of people
who were cool.
Speaker 3 (25:51):
That's very cool. It's very very It made me feel
like I was in a community. You are, I am.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
It's very cool people who are like genuinely cancerned and
want to go, oh I have a trick for that,
or I can solve this one.
Speaker 3 (26:03):
I've experienced this thing. It secks.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
Here's here's a solution. Yeah, not like not I mentioned no,
it all. It was just like I want you to
not feel like shit. Yeah, it was great. There was
a couple of things I read.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
There were contradictory information though, where I was starting to
a bit dressed out for you.
Speaker 3 (26:18):
No, no, no, no, I like, don't I sit, don't heat it?
Speaker 2 (26:20):
Oh, every single one was I wanted to write down
like it was just But there were doctors and people
who were writing in they were like, don't do this
to that, and I said, I listen to them. But yeah,
there was a lot of contradictory shit, and so I
kind of just did all of it smart. Didn't feel better.
Speaker 1 (26:35):
I get really nervous when I see, like when someone
writes in like I'm actually a doctor, I'm actually a lawyer.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
Yeah, I'm just like, ooh sorry, please don't look over here.
Speaker 3 (26:45):
I don't trust doctors and lawyers anywhere. For you're listening
to this shit? Why are you filling your head?
Speaker 2 (26:51):
But does that something? We don't want people like you.
We want people who are in ne neial jobs, who
are bored.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
Your go to your charity events, goost in around and
your tuxedos, big doctors.
Speaker 2 (27:02):
Oh, I don't want you. Oh what happened? What's the
best thing that happened to you this week? Or a
good thing, you know what.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
To be totally honest, there was a thing that happened
at work that it was just a tiny moment between
me and another writer, and I felt bad at how
I reacted in the moment. I wish that I'd just
been neutral the whole time. But I had like a
little someone kind of sass me, and I sas them back,
someone who's I consider a good friend, and.
Speaker 3 (27:31):
Your sass is hurt.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
Sometimes Yeah, I can be super uh yeah, you're good
at it, you know, well it comes out and it's
like I was raised to sass at Defcom five and
most people are barely at like a point too, and
our and our fucking self esteems are like a yeah, negative.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
We're all just these fragile eggs come on. So it
was a moment that passed and it wasn't that big
of a deal. And then when I but when I
woke up the next morning, I was like, I need
to say something, I need to do something that I
was irresponsible.
Speaker 3 (28:01):
I felt just bad. And the next night he.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
Apologized to all of us in front of everybody, and
it was one of the bravest, coolest, most mature, Like
I can't tell you how it went from me going like, oh,
I have this bad feeling and maybe I just need
to ignore my bad feeling to like, oh, I work
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with true adults and fully developed people.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
So he felt guilty about the incident as well, Yes
and so.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
And actually didn't like just set it at the table
where it happened.
Speaker 3 (28:37):
Man, that is vulnerable as fuck.
Speaker 1 (28:39):
It's vulnerable. It's very strong, and it's incredibly mature. And
I just I swear to God, like when we left,
we walked out together and I just said that meant
the world to me. That like that was amazing and
I felt terrible and you know whatever, but it was.
It's that kind of thing of when you see other
people act good, then it gives you permission to.
Speaker 3 (28:59):
Do the same thing.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
Definitely, And I feel like that's that's leadership, Like that's
he did a thing that was such a leadership move
that I couldn't. I just respect so much where it's
like it's so hard when you do something. Even if
he had never said a word about it, no one,
none of us would have It was not a big deal.
Speaker 3 (29:17):
It truly wasn't a big deal. It was fully tonal.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
It doesn't matter the thing happened it matters so much.
It's not a negati. There's not like a negative. It's like, uh,
what's the word. Yeah, it was neutral, but he then
elevated it to this better point.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
Yes, we're just to express like, yeah, I wish I
hadn't done that or whatever, which I was just I
don't know. I love your lives being vulnerable.
Speaker 2 (29:41):
It makes it makes your interactions and your connections with
people so much more meaningful.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
And immediately apologize if you think you're in the wrong.
Speaker 3 (29:48):
Just do it.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
It will feel so much better, like that idea. And
I'm it's a great irony that I'm the one saying
this right now because this is the hardest thing in
the world for me. But to be able to just
drop your story and drop your act and just go, oh,
I'm really sorry I did that, or I'm really I
you know, like to say what you really feel, as
opposed to standing behind an argument that actually doesn't matter,
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Like in ten years you would have never remembered the argument,
but you remember.
Speaker 3 (30:15):
How awful you felt.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
Yeah, And it was that kind of like it wasn't
just like an apology. It was like a moment that
elevated all of us.
Speaker 3 (30:22):
It was beautiful. It's wonderful. I'm happy for you. Thanks.
That was kind of private, but I didn't say anybody's name. Yeah,
and we don't know what happened. And I know it's
a heat just because you said him. But and hey, man,
that's his business, you know. Oh? Am I wrong? Am? I?
Are you wrong? Are we wrong?
Speaker 1 (30:38):
Not?
Speaker 3 (30:41):
Hey, we're not. Hey, thanks for listening. We're never wrong. Hey, nope,
we're doing it right again. There we go. Yay, thank you.
Speaker 2 (30:49):
Listen to the minisode. Go to my favorite murder all
over the internet. Find us and stay sexy. Don't get murdered.
Speaker 3 (30:57):
Ella, you want a meaning, ny I was a minim.
Speaker 1 (31:03):
I was a no, no, no, you know no.
Speaker 3 (31:07):
I'm good tonight. I
Karen, Oh, hello, I didn't see you there. I was
putting my mic up in kind of rock and roll.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
I know, and you're touching it, and it really likes
if you're like touching the face of a lover with
your hands side.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
This mic is my lover. I'm gonna kiss you? Can
I kiss you?
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Can?
Speaker 3 (00:31):
I kiss you?
Speaker 1 (00:32):
I'm just a girl standing in front of a mic.
It's just trying to tell my mic that I love it.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
How's it going?
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Hey, good, Welcome to everyone to my favorite murder Mini Souff.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
What do you mean you just kind of were talking
like this a little bit. I realized that I'm talking
to everyone. Oh you got a little self conscious probably,
I think.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
Yeah, my normal voice and and I like talking voice
are not the same thing.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
Yes, I find when I listened back to these episodes,
my self loathing is only growing exponentially, and so I
have decided to try to stop doing.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
That, shating yourself or listening. Yeah, it's just too much.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
I don't need to listen to my own recorded voice
bullshitting for hours at a time.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
Well, you're not bullshitting, But I also do think as
two people who have a lot of self criticism, yes,
and over and over and over.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
You know what's the.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
Thing hyper critical? Yeah, that we don't. We probably both,
even though every time I listen, I'm.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
Like, we're fucking gray.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
It's definitely I'm left with a fun feeling at the end.
But I do spend a lot of time going like
last episode of the full episode, I cleared my throat
fifteen times in a row, like a person with an
obsessive convulsive disorder, so much so that it scared me
while I was listening to it that you has some
wrong with your throat or that or brain like whatever
(02:02):
it is, that there's something wrong like a tick. Yes, exactly,
like a weird math teacher. And I just the whole
idea of that was, uh, you set me off.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
For the week. Let's stop listening, let's stop record. No, yeah,
let's dein is that listening? Care?
Speaker 1 (02:19):
So that was actually me projecting onto you because I
was like, why are you doing your voice like that?
But really that's me trying to talk about my own
self consciousness.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
And like noticing things and thinking about them too much.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
And turning up the X ray vision where it's just like,
now leave it alone.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
We're not listening anymore. Who gives a shit? I mean,
you can give a shit, but.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
You're wrong, but like an about yourself, give a shit
knowing that you are wrong and flawed.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
Probably probably more okay than you think. Yeah, and maybe
it's just a little bit self obsessed. And who gives
a shit? Is that? I mean it that way?
Speaker 2 (02:57):
No, we really are and it's fine, okay, do this thing. Yeah,
let's read some hometown murders.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
Now we're in LA. This is what you're supposed to
be like here. So this is this is a minniesot.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
Do you guys send us all your hometown murders which
we love to my favorite murder at Gmail. And this
is we've started doing mini episodes so we can just
read them to you so.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
That you someday will hear your own back at you. Yeah, Karen,
you want to go first? Sure?
Speaker 1 (03:21):
Because I really like this one because the subject line
is Kenosha's Bermuda Triangle of Murder.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
Oh, Kenosha, Wisconsin.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
I have my friend Bradford lives somewhere near there, or
grew up somewhere near there.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
Didn't even know it was a place. What's that?
Speaker 2 (03:34):
Didn't even know it was a place? Yeah, Wisconsin, so
listen to this.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
Hi. Please oh in parenthesy.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
This thing kicks off with a parenthetical that says, HI,
please call me Nick.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
If you read aloud, do not use last.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
Name, which is a great reminder, Nick, because I would
have been gone straight into all of your details. I'm
new to the podcast. My cousin told me about it,
and I'm totally hooked. I live in Wisconsin, and I
always felt super weird about being fascinated by Jeffrey Dahmer.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
Now I know I'm a murderingo. Yay, that's nice.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
I was raised in Kenosha, Wisconsin, and I was told
this story about this awful area in town. Kenosha's Murder
Alley is an unpaved strip of land running south from
sixty fourth Street between twenty twentieth and twenty first Avenues,
two blocks away. The downtown business district bustles with activity,
but residents along the alley live with daily apprehension that
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is more akin to an excursion through the twilight zone.
There's something strange out there in that alley. Coroner Thomas
Dwarf told the press in February nineteen eighty one, sort
of a Bermuda triangle of murder. I'd say, holy shit,
what seems to be going on is unexplainable. This is
all the quote Lieutenant Rudy Blots, that's the best name
(04:54):
I've ever heard. Rudy Blots of the Kenosha Police Department
was equally direct, branding the alley a jinx or something.
The happenings quote unquote include a string of seven grizzly
homicides between nineteen sixty seven and nineteen eighty one, their
savagery baffling locals who remark on Kenosha's relative freedom from
(05:15):
a violent crime. Three of these cases have been solved
unrelated to one another.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
Oh my god, they're all unrelated.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
Three of them have been unrelated, but the grim geographical
coincidence has authorities shaking their heads in confusion. The first
alley murder occurred on February ninth, nineteen sixty seven, when
seventeen year old Mary Caldenberg left her home on sixty
four Street to purchase a bottle of pop from the
corner drug store. Four days later, officers discovered her corpse
(05:43):
in the back of a nineteen forty eight hearse perked
at the City Auto Pound, a mile from her house.
Fully clothed except for her shoes, which were removed and
placed near the body. Mary had been stabbed twelve times
in the neck, chest, forehead, and bass. The case remains unsolved.
(06:04):
Eleven years later, on January thirty of nineteen seventy eight,
Gerald Burnett, fifty two, was found sprawled in a snowbank
near his home at the mouth of the alley. He
had been beaten to death with a tire iron, killed
in what police described as a robbery. Suspect Stephen Goss
has been convicted and imprisoned for the crime. On May
twenty seventh, nineteen seventy nine, eighty year old Herman Bosman
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was found beaten to death in his burning home on
the alley's east side. Authorities speculate that the fire was
set to destroy evidence of the murder, which remains unsolved
at this writing. A month later, on June twenty third,
Alice Alsner, age eighteen, was unearthed in a rose garden
adjoining the alley. A jury convicted the property owner, twenty
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three year old Thomas Holt, of raping the victim and
strangling her with her own brazier. Holt was sentenced to
die on January twenty sixth, nineteen eighty one, news of
a triple murder rock the neighborhood's fragile peace. Victims Alice Eaton,
John Amon, and Raphael Pertrucci were found dead in Eaton's
home adjoining the alley. Her grandson, Robert McRoberts, was arrested
(07:13):
and charged with the slayings. Science fiction, mere coincidence. Whichever
local officers and residents along the alley keep their personal
opinions to themselves, agreeing only that quote, there's something going
on out there, keep up the podcast, Stay sexy, don't
get murdered? Nick whoa picture so bad? That's crazy. It's
(07:33):
so crazy, and you know it's bad news. When the
cop and the corners like, we don't know, it's crazy.
It's a mystery.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
It's on the Twilight Zone. Yeah, that's freaky. Instead of
like we're going to take care of this, it's not.
It's like it's explainable. Feel like nobody panic. They're just like,
we don't fucking know what's going on. Yeah, that's that's
I love that one. That's that's good. That's good news.
Speaker 3 (07:54):
What do you guys? Thank you for sending that? Nick? Yes? Nick,
well done?
Speaker 2 (07:59):
Okay is called I wanted to buy this house and
tell dot dot dot disclosure quadruple homicide.
Speaker 3 (08:08):
Fuck.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
Okay, this is from Charlene. Okay, just gonna jump right
into it. I first heard of my hometown murder a
few years ago when I was house hunting. The town
is Gaston, Oregon, no bigger than six hundred people, and
just on the outskirts of this town is a small
community called Laurelwood. This is where the house I was
interested in was and where I later found out a
quadruple murder took place. The parents my parents told me
(08:32):
the story and no, I did not buy the house.
It was nineteen seventy seven that my parents were in
their teenage years. My dad worked at the local gas
station where one day dozens of bikers came in to
fill up. They were members of the Hell's Angels of California.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
I've heard of them.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
A week or so later, a quadruple murder took place
in Laurelwood. The victims were a young mother, Margot Compton,
her two six year old twin girls, and a family friend,
Gary Sessler. Vicessler's fiance was the first to happen upon
the scene. She found her fiance still alive, laying on
the ground holding the telephone, gurgling in his own blood.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
Oh god.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
He died shortly after she found him, and she left
to go get help. The police arrived and they found
Gary Cisler, Margot Compton, and her twins all dead from
gunshot wounds. The twins were wearing matching stripe swimsuits and
clutching matching teddy wears. Oh that's horrible, lying face down.
They had each been shot behind the ears.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
Why.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
It was later found out that Margot Compton had moved
into the small town from the California Bay Area to
escape her life of working in a brothel run by
the Hell's Angel. She had recently testified against a Hell's
Angel member for crimes involving prostitution rings.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
That's not good.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
That Angel's member, otis Buck Garrett, was convicted, and while
in jail, he hired a hit man named Robert bug
Eye Bob McClure to find and kill Margo. Bug Eye
Bob came for It looks like it if the kills
were so successful, bug Eyebob would be initiated into Hell's Angels.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
Do you want to kill two children or do you
want to be in Hell's Angels.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
Well, I need friends and I love motorcycles. So yeah,
I guess I'll kill two children just by it.
Speaker 3 (10:13):
Like, just join the CD of the Month club. Just
grow your beard and listen to zz Top. You're a loser.
I just said that about I know. Should we even
be reading again. I don't think there's strong these days.
I don't think they're violent. I'm sorry, folks, I'm sorry
for being rude. Hell's Yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
He was accompanied by a fellow hitman named Benjamin Psycho Silva,
who made the trip to Oregon to carry out the murders. Also,
the contract was not only to kill Margo, but to
make her watch her two girls be shot. That first Gary,
the family French, just happened to be in the wrong
place at the wrong time. This case went in Saltontail
nineteen ninety four only because bug Eye Bob, while in
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prison for who knows what, bragged of fellow inmates of
his killings. Eventually, him and Buck were convicted and given
four life sentences. Psycho Silva was not charged because he
was already in prison on death row for kidnapping, raping,
and killing two college kids in the eighties. Oh and
On a side note, I just googled Psycho Silva and
his murder conviction was reversed in two thousand and five.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
Whoa fuck, We're going to be murdered. Wow? I can't
find any updates after that. What the fuck?
Speaker 2 (11:16):
Maybe you guys can do some research and follow up
on this for a possible my favorite murder theme, No,
could be duh, he is the killer, but conviction reversed.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
Yeah, so he's still out there. Let's tell everyone that
I can't help it.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
Say in an Oprah voice, you got off on a technicality,
and you got off on a technicality. That's my favorite
hometown murder. Thanks for talking, Emma's for murder, Charlene. Shit,
that's a good one. Oh fucked up, ma'am.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
Is there anybody that tries to join the Hell's Angels?
Name like responsible Jim?
Speaker 3 (11:51):
That's all I could think of. They call him. They
call him Jim the nice guy, the whispering man. Oh Jim,
the kind of women, the male feminist.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
Jim the male feminist wants to join our game, our motorcycle.
Speaker 3 (12:09):
Jim the feminazi smith wants to He'll get in your
face about social issues. He makes a mean, hot dish.
Oh that's rough.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
I know that back in the seventies, Hall's Angels were scary.
It would be like they would just come to a
town and everyone would be kind. I mean, that's what
all those Charles Bronson movies are about. Yeah, he's like
the lone sheriff and then there's just like fifty motorcycle
gang members there to raise hell.
Speaker 3 (12:34):
Yeah, I just don't think they're like that anymore.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
Well, then mask came out and you saw the softer
side with Cher and her boyfriend sam Neil.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
Sam. Wow, it's not Sam Neil. That guy's British. I
don't know anything about it. I thought Stephen was making
a sam Neil face at me. He's just enjoying the podcast.
I'll read it.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
More.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
This one, yeah, one more. This one's from Genie and
the subject line is an all girls' prep school, a
seven foot killer and a loyal dog. Whoa girl, Genie,
you nailed it speaking my language.
Speaker 3 (13:09):
Hi, ladies.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
First of all, I love you both, and I can
totally tell your voices of war.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
Thank you. Good job, Genie.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
I know you get a lot of these, so hopefully
my subject line caught your interest because this one's a doozy.
Speaker 3 (13:21):
It did good job.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
I went to an all girls' prep school named the
Madeira School for.
Speaker 3 (13:27):
A school for high school for it can't be right?
Did they teach you right? It was everybody majored in redundancy.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
Sorry.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
We love you, we love you, we love you.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
From the moment I got there, I heard stories about
the fourteen year old girl who was murdered in the wood,
so naturally I did some research. She's a lifelong murdering
now first and foremost to campus is on three hundred
and seventy six acres of land, with the main campus
using about five percent of it. The unused portion is
basically all woods. That here's your movie.
Speaker 3 (14:00):
We're in.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
This is scene one, right, Yeah, FOG's rolling in all forest,
all girls, all girls, and.
Speaker 3 (14:07):
A monster and dog.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
And then like, can there be like a strict teacher
who in the end turns out to be the one
that saves them all? Yes, like a Snape, a snap Snape,
but a lady totally you were thinking of a lady Snape.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
Yeah, missus Snape Snape's girlfriend anyways. On October twenty ninth,
nineteen seventy three, fourteen year old Natalia her name was
Tasha parentheses. Semler was tortured and murdered by twenty three
year old John Gilraith in the woods on campus. Oh No, Tasha,
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who was a small five foot one ninety pound girl,
was walking from the school's chapel till lunch so daytime,
but never made it to the dining hall. Later that day,
her family thought it was strange when she didn't come
home from school, and her parents so it was you
didn't stay there, and it was like you'd go home,
so you'd go to school in the woods and then
come home.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
So it wasn't a boarding school. It was like a
it was just four girls.
Speaker 1 (14:59):
Yeah, later that to your family thought it was her
and she didn't come home from school. Her parents called
the head mistress, her friends, etc. Missus Snape, but they
didn't panic. They called missus Snape on her red phone
on her desk, but didn't panic since bad things rarely
happened in Northern Virginia at the time.
Speaker 3 (15:16):
Yeah, it was the seventies.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
As dinner time came and went and they started to
worry and called the police, who didn't think much of
it and kind of wrote it off right away. Yeah,
teenager being rebellious. They didn't start investigating until several hours later,
and we all know that typically the first few hours
that a person is missing are the most critical.
Speaker 3 (15:36):
Duh the police. That was in the email.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
The police arrived on campus at around nine pm. She
was missing since before lunch. Hello, also in the email.
They found her bike and backpack near the woods, but
it had rained heavily, making it very difficult for dogs
to track her sense, so instead of looking any further,
they called the search off because that's totally normal. Parents
(16:00):
obviously weren't ready to give up, so the following morning,
around six am, Tasha's father.
Speaker 3 (16:05):
Went to the campus with her beloved.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
Golden retriever Tilly. Within minutes of arriving, Tilly Found's body.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
Tilly did it? Tilly found her? Till you think Chili
was so scarred from that?
Speaker 1 (16:19):
Yes, I hear a scarred golden retriever.
Speaker 3 (16:25):
Worse, We have to we have to stop recording. Oh no, Tilly.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
Tasha's body was found beaten, bruce, scraped, and naked from
the waist down by her father and tomb.
Speaker 3 (16:39):
This is two worse people who could find her.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
Her hands were tied so tightly by blanket scraps that
they were black from lack of circulation.
Speaker 3 (16:47):
She was tied to a tree. Oh, this is awful.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
They also found a gag stuffed in her mouth. Should
puncture wounds on our back and chest, apparently from a screwdriver.
The wounds, along with multiples and bruises on her face,
indicated she had been forced to endure prolonged tortures.
Speaker 3 (17:04):
Horrible.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
She bled profusely died from shock exposure and fatigue after
being outside and tortured for over ten hours in thirty
degree weather.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
So they would have found her, Yes, it looks like it.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (17:19):
Holy.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
Reports indicated that she had not been raped, but that
there were open wounds on her ankles from trying to
escape the ties. She was just four hundred feet behind
the chapel.
Speaker 3 (17:30):
Oh my god.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
John Gilraith was almost seven feet tall, what the fuck?
And two hundred pounds Oh no, and had been convicted
of seven sex related incidents prior to attacking Tasha.
Speaker 3 (17:43):
How many does it take? Sounds like eight.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
He also previously abducted and molested another fourteen year old
girl from Madera for over two hours. Originally, he was
sentenced over fifty years in prison for this last crime,
but was released with the sentence suspended on the condition
that he go to a mental institution. Not even a
year later, he was given out patient status.
Speaker 3 (18:05):
What the fuck.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
On the twenty ninth of October, he returned to Madara
to prove that he had suppressed his irresistible impulses to
attack girls. After Tasha's murder, John Gilraith was convicted and
sentenced to fifty years.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
Tasha's parents tested by fifty that means he could get
out still.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
Nope, because he died in December of two thousand and nine.
Speaker 3 (18:26):
That's so recent. And she says she's not sure if
he died in jail or what. But he's gone.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
Stay sexy, don't get murdered, and also make sure your
pets know you're sent just in case.
Speaker 3 (18:36):
Okay, By Genie, MEMI would you find me?
Speaker 2 (18:40):
She's like after my naps, She's like, I don't even
know where I am half the time.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
That was, Oh my god, crazy bummer, intense, but also
awesome and how awful it was.
Speaker 3 (18:50):
That's a crazy story that we have been. Would never
have heard.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
Seven feet My father's six foot four and he is
a very large man.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
Two hundred pounds is like big. No, I guess not
that big for someone seven feet doll's. Actually he's like
a raith. He's like a big skinny monster in the
woods in the wood scary.
Speaker 3 (19:08):
All right, you got one, you got a can you
deal with it?
Speaker 2 (19:13):
No?
Speaker 3 (19:14):
I have another murder story that was Yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
It seems like this theme has really painted us into
a corner in terms of.
Speaker 3 (19:22):
Should we change the name of the podcast about rainbows
or something that Yes, it's called rainbow Time with Karen
and Georgia.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
We should start like an after the podcast where we
just talk about the best things that have ever happened.
Speaker 3 (19:33):
That's actually a great idea.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
We at the end of us, we're gonna we're gonna
tell each other one thing that made us really.
Speaker 3 (19:39):
Happy this week. Okay, good, all right, until I'm gonna
cry silently away from my mic.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
This is just called Hometown Murder by Kelly Hi. I
recently discovered your podcast and need list of sam obsess.
You ladies are my murder soul sisters. I live in Lakewood, Colorado,
where I grew up. When I was about six years old,
a little boy, are you ready for this?
Speaker 3 (19:58):
Yeah? Here we go?
Speaker 2 (19:59):
Was brutal and murdered in the Green Belt where we
used to spend endless summer days playing swimming, catching snakes, etc.
Jacob McKnight was the same age as me and went
to a neighboring elementary school. My brother knew his older brother.
They played sports and stuff. Anyways, Jacob was tagging along
with his older brother and his friends one day down
at the green Belt. The story goes they were giving
(20:20):
him a hard time and he was younger, you know
the deal, older brother being a dick and whatnot. They
ended up leaving him behind as and took off on
their bikes. A man approached Jacob allegedly this dude Chin
Chi Nn and offered to help him get home. He
took him to the seven eleven on the corner and,
according to surveillance videos, bought him a slurpe before taking
(20:41):
him back across the streets at the green Belt, where
he raped and stabbed him like a hundred times.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
He stashed his body under this fallen tree, where it
was later discovered a few years after that, the family
burned the tree. I remember driving by it and seeing
it up in plames with a small crowd gathered around it.
The bench was made a memorialized Acob and was later vandalized.
They never solved the case. It remains cold to this day.
(21:07):
WHOA Anyway, this still haunts me to this day. I
have a little boy of my own now, and they
can tell you he will never ride his bike alone
or with friends until he's like thirty seven.
Speaker 3 (21:18):
Oh, how fucked up is his brother? Yes, that's the
first thing I thought of.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
Yeah, it's those the decisions you makes a kid that
you should not be having to make.
Speaker 3 (21:27):
Yeah, because you shouldn't be out by yourself. No, And
it's good that.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
I it's good that people are helicopter parents now because
when you're out on your own and you're eight and
your brother's six, you're going to make the wrong decision
totally always.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
You don't, I mean unless it's hit home as it
was when we got old, like in the later like
in the eighties and so like stranger d injury. Yeah,
don't talk to strangers, Like, don't if someone says they
know your parent, they don't know your parents.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
We didn't.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
They didn't know that before like what eighty five or something. No,
I mean like pockets of people knew it.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
But yeah, yeah, and the whole it was like, no,
just walk around if people try to offer you a ride,
you know.
Speaker 3 (22:04):
Just play it as it lays and figure out.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
Adults are authority figures and you need to say yes
sir and yes ma'am and do what adults tell you
to do.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
That's the one thing I have to say. I'm so
grateful that my mom. My mom had two alcoholic parents
and she was an only child, so she basically raised herself,
and so she was super from a very early age,
made sure my sister and I both understood adults were
not authority figures and we didn't have to listen to
adults and if anyone ever made us feel uncomfortable, like
(22:33):
she laid the groundwork of all that stuff super early.
She was also a psychiatric nurse, but she had she
like being a person who had to like fend for
herself essentially in all of life.
Speaker 3 (22:47):
She experienced and was like that, you don't need to
do this.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
If an if adult ever yells at you or raises
their voice, you leave, you call me. You like that,
you don't have to take shit from people, especially adults.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
Yeah, I always liked I think wrote recently somewhere on faceboo,
I'm sorry, I'm not getting you any credit. Or I
saw this somewhere that someone that a parent says to
their kid, there is no reason for an adult to ask.
Speaker 3 (23:10):
A child for help.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
Yes, so if a guy comes to ask you to
help him find his dog, or to help look for
any something or he needs, there's.
Speaker 3 (23:19):
Children do not get asked for help by adults.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
No, So don't ever fall for that or nor mom
needs you, let me come, let me help you, you know,
let me take you to her.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
I like that we're saying this as if his six
year olds are listening to listen to your mommy would never.
Speaker 3 (23:35):
Yeah, so kids get rapped all the time.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
Oh no, so dark, it's so dark. But I like,
I think of my nephew and I'm like, he would
never be alone. No, he would know what those times
are over. It's kind of a beautiful thing.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
Yeah, those times are over where it's like, yeah, people
realize there's plenty of very sick people in this world,
and you have to like, your kids aren't just to
be turned loose into the field.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
But it's so crazy, because do you think about, like
if I saw a six year old walking alone down
the street, I would be like, get in the fucking car,
like you can't be walking alone. But then they're always like,
don't get in the car.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
And then they would pull a gun on you because
they'd be like, ma'am, it simply isn't done, and then
you go to prison. Did I ever tell you that
story of when I was driving in Silver Lake and
I was driving it was nighttime alonger with the Park
Boulevard kind of behind Hyperion.
Speaker 3 (24:26):
Dark could stark over there dark, yeah, not a lot
of street lights.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
And I saw a little kid, he probably was like
nine years old, running up the street and he as
I was driving, it was kind of slow because it
was like there's a bunch of stop sign. Yeah, he
looked into the car and was looking into the car.
So I stopped and rolled the window and I go,
are you okay? And then he stopped running and goes,
oh yeah sorry, and then like ran up a driveway.
But I think he maybe thought it was like his
(24:51):
friend mom or I don't know what it was, but
there was this four second period of time where I'm like,
this child is being pursued and I need to get him.
Speaker 3 (25:01):
Karen, thanks, thank you very much. A great person. And
then you're beautiful you have a button nose. Look at
small's nos that isn't goddamn button. I want to sew
that on that coat. It is. It should be on
a Teddy Bear's jacket.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
It is just And how do you get past tsa
with those sharp cheekbones kind of they let you on
an airplane with those weapons of mass destruction.
Speaker 3 (25:30):
That's where we ended. We ended on it up. Now
we did it. What made you happy this week? Oh uh?
Speaker 2 (25:36):
I think all the all the messages from people who
have had the back and psiatic problems that I had. Yeah,
last episode yep, or the episode before they everyone was
so nice and offered so many solutions and were so
It was just like this really nice outpourting of people
who were cool.
Speaker 3 (25:51):
That's very cool. It's very very It made me feel
like I was in a community. You are, I am.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
It's very cool people who are like genuinely cancerned and
want to go, oh I have a trick for that,
or I can solve this one.
Speaker 3 (26:03):
I've experienced this thing. It secks.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
Here's here's a solution. Yeah, not like not I mentioned no,
it all. It was just like I want you to
not feel like shit. Yeah, it was great. There was
a couple of things I read.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
There were contradictory information though, where I was starting to
a bit dressed out for you.
Speaker 3 (26:18):
No, no, no, no, I like, don't I sit, don't heat it?
Speaker 2 (26:20):
Oh, every single one was I wanted to write down
like it was just But there were doctors and people
who were writing in they were like, don't do this
to that, and I said, I listen to them. But yeah,
there was a lot of contradictory shit, and so I
kind of just did all of it smart. Didn't feel better.
Speaker 1 (26:35):
I get really nervous when I see, like when someone
writes in like I'm actually a doctor, I'm actually a lawyer.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
Yeah, I'm just like, ooh sorry, please don't look over here.
Speaker 3 (26:45):
I don't trust doctors and lawyers anywhere. For you're listening
to this shit? Why are you filling your head?
Speaker 2 (26:51):
But does that something? We don't want people like you.
We want people who are in ne neial jobs, who
are bored.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
Your go to your charity events, goost in around and
your tuxedos, big doctors.
Speaker 2 (27:02):
Oh, I don't want you. Oh what happened? What's the
best thing that happened to you this week? Or a
good thing, you know what.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
To be totally honest, there was a thing that happened
at work that it was just a tiny moment between
me and another writer, and I felt bad at how
I reacted in the moment. I wish that I'd just
been neutral the whole time. But I had like a
little someone kind of sass me, and I sas them back,
someone who's I consider a good friend, and.
Speaker 3 (27:31):
Your sass is hurt.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
Sometimes Yeah, I can be super uh yeah, you're good
at it, you know, well it comes out and it's
like I was raised to sass at Defcom five and
most people are barely at like a point too, and
our and our fucking self esteems are like a yeah, negative.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
We're all just these fragile eggs come on. So it
was a moment that passed and it wasn't that big
of a deal. And then when I but when I
woke up the next morning, I was like, I need
to say something, I need to do something that I
was irresponsible.
Speaker 3 (28:01):
I felt just bad. And the next night he.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
Apologized to all of us in front of everybody, and
it was one of the bravest, coolest, most mature, Like
I can't tell you how it went from me going like, oh,
I have this bad feeling and maybe I just need
to ignore my bad feeling to like, oh, I work
(28:25):
with true adults and fully developed people.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
So he felt guilty about the incident as well, Yes
and so.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
And actually didn't like just set it at the table
where it happened.
Speaker 3 (28:37):
Man, that is vulnerable as fuck.
Speaker 1 (28:39):
It's vulnerable. It's very strong, and it's incredibly mature. And
I just I swear to God, like when we left,
we walked out together and I just said that meant
the world to me. That like that was amazing and
I felt terrible and you know whatever, but it was.
It's that kind of thing of when you see other
people act good, then it gives you permission to.
Speaker 3 (28:59):
Do the same thing.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
Definitely, And I feel like that's that's leadership, Like that's
he did a thing that was such a leadership move
that I couldn't. I just respect so much where it's
like it's so hard when you do something. Even if
he had never said a word about it, no one,
none of us would have It was not a big deal.
Speaker 3 (29:17):
It truly wasn't a big deal. It was fully tonal.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
It doesn't matter the thing happened it matters so much.
It's not a negati. There's not like a negative. It's like, uh,
what's the word. Yeah, it was neutral, but he then
elevated it to this better point.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
Yes, we're just to express like, yeah, I wish I
hadn't done that or whatever, which I was just I
don't know. I love your lives being vulnerable.
Speaker 2 (29:41):
It makes it makes your interactions and your connections with
people so much more meaningful.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
And immediately apologize if you think you're in the wrong.
Speaker 3 (29:48):
Just do it.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
It will feel so much better, like that idea. And
I'm it's a great irony that I'm the one saying
this right now because this is the hardest thing in
the world for me. But to be able to just
drop your story and drop your act and just go, oh,
I'm really sorry I did that, or I'm really I
you know, like to say what you really feel, as
opposed to standing behind an argument that actually doesn't matter,
(30:11):
Like in ten years you would have never remembered the argument,
but you remember.
Speaker 3 (30:15):
How awful you felt.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
Yeah, And it was that kind of like it wasn't
just like an apology. It was like a moment that
elevated all of us.
Speaker 3 (30:22):
It was beautiful. It's wonderful. I'm happy for you. Thanks.
That was kind of private, but I didn't say anybody's name. Yeah,
and we don't know what happened. And I know it's
a heat just because you said him. But and hey, man,
that's his business, you know. Oh? Am I wrong? Am? I?
Are you wrong? Are we wrong?
Speaker 1 (30:38):
Not?
Speaker 3 (30:41):
Hey, we're not. Hey, thanks for listening. We're never wrong. Hey, nope,
we're doing it right again. There we go. Yay, thank you.
Speaker 2 (30:49):
Listen to the minisode. Go to my favorite murder all
over the internet. Find us and stay sexy. Don't get murdered.
Speaker 3 (30:57):
Ella, you want a meaning, ny I was a minim.
Speaker 1 (31:03):
I was a no, no, no, you know no.
Speaker 3 (31:07):
I'm good tonight. I
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Karen Kilgariff
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