MFM The Top 3: #3 - Episode 105 - Proclensity

The votes are in! Here's #3 of your top three favorite episodes: Karen and Georgia cover the murder of Christa Worthington and the case of Typhoid Mary.

Original airdate: 01/25/2018

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:14):
Wake up. Hello, good morning, good morning. I'm welcome to
your favorite morning talk show, my favorite murder, the morning
talk show that screams in your face to wake it down.
Get down, get up, get up, get down, get back down,
get back up again. And then you're like, what what
do they want from me?

Speaker 2 (00:34):
We want just we want just a couple crunches, easy, yeah, simple,
just to wake you up, fun, fun and easy.

Speaker 1 (00:44):
Get the blood going. Yeah, burpies could fucking start purping.
What if burpies were not an exercise but just belching,
I would be a fucking Olympian. You absolutely would. You'd
be internationally known.

Speaker 2 (01:05):
Are burpies the ones where you jump up and go
down into a push up and jump up? Because I
was thinking of her keys, which is a cheerleading jump
oh god, where you kind of look like a check
You're turn your body into like a check mark check.

Speaker 1 (01:20):
And I was going to be like work. It's such like, oh,
you mean your legs go forward?

Speaker 2 (01:26):
Check one leg straight out and then the other leg
comes up in your knee comes to your chest.

Speaker 1 (01:31):
I don't say that that's just back problems for your life.
It's like this but in the air, Okay, take it
from me everyone at home. I'm way up in the air.
She she just showed me one in the middle of
the living room. Was also, what am I talking about?

Speaker 2 (01:45):
I don't fucking know what a hurkey is.

Speaker 1 (01:48):
Like, you're a cheerleader.

Speaker 2 (01:50):
It's like I'm trying to get people to email us
about things.

Speaker 1 (01:54):
I was a cheerleader, by the way, I was.

Speaker 2 (01:57):
A song leader junior year of high school. God, those
are the ones that like did routine. Well, we were
a small school, so we only had a certain amount
of people anyway, but you know, we did dancer teams.

Speaker 1 (02:07):
Janet Jackson's Control. It's all about control. It's all about control.
That's the only one I remember.

Speaker 2 (02:15):
Just that we had, you know, gloves that were white
on the inside and blue on the outside.

Speaker 1 (02:19):
You're like blowing my mind.

Speaker 2 (02:21):
So then you do a lot of this and you
just switch it like a clown, white like a mine,
but white blue, white blue, white blue.

Speaker 1 (02:31):
One is this one is the way? So it's white blue,
that's right.

Speaker 2 (02:33):
Then change it up and then boom and then change
it yeah five six eight and uh, change it.

Speaker 1 (02:41):
And then this is my favorite murder. Put your gloves
up by your face. Are they whiter? Are they blue? Okay?

Speaker 2 (02:49):
This is one of my favorite parts about having this
podcast is I get random texts from my beautiful friends
who listen to it, who take the time to listen
to it. Oh wow, and then but there they sometimes
can be months behind. So the other day, my beautiful
friend Sam Pancake that's his real name, who is who
plays Dorothy in the Live Golden Girls that I told

(03:11):
you about?

Speaker 1 (03:12):
I love, I have the mug. Thank you for being
a cun that you got me.

Speaker 2 (03:16):
It's to let Casita del Campo. They started a new
run of it. You really should go. But he sent
me a text and all it said was fingers and faces,
and it.

Speaker 1 (03:25):
Made me laugh. So fingers and faces the best beauty
shop name, the best worst beauty shop name of all
time I ever heard of? Just cut to the basics,
fingers and faces from the Live Orlan Show. And I'm
sitting there and reading my whatever one of us is

(03:46):
ringing murder, and I just see in the audience, whatever
fucking production had happened the night before. Maybe it was
who could it have been? Let's say someone like not
too big, not too small, but so you've heard of them.
Maybe let's it could have been you know what it
could have been at Like, who's the You might as
well be walking on the sun. Smash now, thank you human?

(04:09):
Maybe a slash mell.

Speaker 2 (04:12):
You might as well be walking on the sun for
all the good it'll do you.

Speaker 1 (04:16):
You might as well might as well. One sad fucking
confetti piece that had been sitting there since the night
before slowly falls into this lovely lady's lap in the
front row. That's right. I was just like, it's like
she was blessed or she's dead. I don't know. I mean,
it could have been the death confetti. It could have
been the death cone, could have been so many things. Dottie,

(04:39):
what's is Donnie ranging papers upstairs? Doddy's digging? Uh, it's
an inanimate object. Gotti, You go for it. You've been
sedentary all day. The Joy okay, the Joy of Kittens,
The Joy of Kittens, Joy fuxex, The Joy of Kittens.

Speaker 2 (04:57):
That's the illustrated book you need to be reading, you know,
The Joy of Sex.

Speaker 1 (05:01):
I have an old Copyaknanda to use books, and I
was like, well, I'm absolutely buying us. Does I mean,
but did anybody write in it? I don't know, do
they write in it. I mean, that's what.

Speaker 2 (05:09):
That's the first thing I look for, is like somebody
folded up a piece of paper and stuck it inside
like this with Gary.

Speaker 1 (05:15):
Maybe Gary will love you to ask.

Speaker 2 (05:17):
Gary to please do this. All I know is that
we got me and my friend Katie Nuburger, who.

Speaker 1 (05:21):
Lived down the street.

Speaker 2 (05:22):
She's the one whose family had lamas and they had
the old abandoned house on their.

Speaker 1 (05:26):
Property with the bills in the wall. Yeah, I believe.

Speaker 2 (05:30):
I'm almost positive it was at her house that we
look through that book because her mom was also a nurse,
and it was so we were starting to look at
it like ooh, and the illustrations are so technical and
like anatomical that we got bummed out very quickly.

Speaker 1 (05:47):
It's not interesting. Maybe we should just go swimming instead.
It's like, and I said this last week, I talked
about Reductress and they're hilarious T shirts. But they have
one that's like you know when you see like a
cow and it shows you the cuts of beef. There's
one that's a vagina and it says the cuts of vagina. No,
it was just like the cuts. It's just in that

(06:08):
style that's hilarious.

Speaker 2 (06:10):
I just saw one of theirs on Twitter and it
said girl who promised not to tell anybody only told
two people.

Speaker 1 (06:17):
And then it's the picture is so funny because it's.

Speaker 2 (06:20):
A girl whose face is right next to a bunch
of flowers, like she's all smiling, all proud.

Speaker 1 (06:24):
That's me. What about? What about bitch? This bitch brought
loose leaf tea to a fucking food donation. But it's
just like some fun you can tell this bitch is
like some hippie bitch. She doesn't wear makeup because she's gorgeous,
not because she Yeah, yeah, this bit loose leaf tea.
Uh what about Where did I come from? Do you
remember that book? Oh? Yeah, dude with the fucking guy

(06:45):
who looks like George Costanza and his wife actually looks
like George Costanza's parents, and it's showing them having a baby,
and my mind was blown.

Speaker 2 (06:56):
Well, what about the part There is a part where
they're explaining to their child about and it's like they
basically say they rub on each other really fast or something,
And I just remember staring Steven's gonna have in a respect.

Speaker 1 (07:08):
You can't talk daring ex Stephens.

Speaker 2 (07:11):
Stie, Well, I'll tell you it's fat little cartoons rub
against each other. It was very like I remember staring
it and just being like, it can't be this.

Speaker 1 (07:24):
Yeah, sex isn't just friction, right, it can't be this
just this little man. Oh, he was very confusing. That's
a confusing time, the.

Speaker 2 (07:32):
Eighties, the eighties and that age, and like before you know,
and then what you think you know, and then when
you find out.

Speaker 1 (07:39):
And how funny it is, but you still can't get
rid of the things you thought you knew. So it
is still a little that. And the thing I thought
I knew is God can see me, and it's wrong.
God can see you, but he's into it. Well, my sorry, blasphemy.
Is that what they're teaching in the temple? God? Damn it? Shit,
I'm going to Hell? Is there Hell? I'm going there.

(08:00):
You don't think there's hell? Goodbye, goodbye, ol, there's something
bye Hell, goodbye house. See you deuce as hell? Geees out, motherfucker.
What do you have that's sweet to talk?

Speaker 2 (08:13):
Let's see besides friction frictional sex since describing.

Speaker 1 (08:18):
Sex cartoons from the seventies, Well, this is a great
email we got, Hi, ladies. This is from Aaron.

Speaker 2 (08:25):
Hi, ladies, I was at the second Balbo Theater show
back in October. That's San Diego, right, and was happy
to get a chance to listen to that first show
that was recently posted.

Speaker 1 (08:34):
Oh it's not fun.

Speaker 2 (08:36):
Of course, I do immediately google the Betty Broaderck murder house.
It's right down the street from me and up for sale.
Some great realtors spin too quote a home rich in history.

Speaker 1 (08:48):
Shut up as you have to tell right.

Speaker 2 (08:52):
It says have two point five million dollars laying around.

Speaker 1 (08:55):
Two point five million dollars live in San Diego house.

Speaker 2 (08:58):
Yeah, and then she she listed it. I could say
the address right because it's an empty house.

Speaker 1 (09:03):
Yeah, I mean, like or just so it street.

Speaker 2 (09:06):
It's on It's on Cyprus Avenue. Oh, where Van Morrison lives.

Speaker 1 (09:12):
That's a good cut. Yeah. Wow, that's kind of hilarious.
Would you move into a place if like murders had
happened there? Would you care? Like would you take have
paws and ask your girlfriends over drinks? Or like would
you be cool with it? I think it just depends
on the house.

Speaker 2 (09:27):
Like, if it I think you'd have I would have
to go in and like feel it out. But if
it was some really old house, yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (09:35):
Say like in the eighties or nineties, even there was
a murder, even the two thousands heard of them. I
want it, you know what.

Speaker 2 (09:41):
I'm being cavalier right now because I want to say
I would, But I just thought of the first night
in that house, and I would just be out of
my mind.

Speaker 1 (09:49):
I feel like I would be fine, but I bet
I wouldn't you heard? Yeah, But I don't care. I
don't hear that, do you? I mean, but if you
alone in the house, I mean anything, I feel like
Vince would be more creeped out than I would. And
I would pretend that I was saying no to the
house on his behalf, but really because I was breaking outs.
But I couldn't admit it because I have a murder podcast. Yes,

(10:10):
that's right. You have to use him as a human shield,
and you can always and he can use me. That's right.

Speaker 2 (10:15):
He wants when he wrestling and can't talk about it. Right,
He's really painted himself into a wrestling corner. He asks
to love it for the rest of his life.

Speaker 1 (10:22):
He There is no fucking doubt in my mind that
that person Vince April the love of my life will
love wrestling for the rest of his life. He's going
to two shows in the next two days, is he really? Yeah,
it's there's no worry. You know what's really hilarious.

Speaker 2 (10:37):
So many people that I follow on Twitter love wrestling
that I feel like I have a good historical back
log knowledge of.

Speaker 1 (10:45):
I mean, people post stuff should start their own wrestling podcast. Yeah,
you know what I will.

Speaker 2 (10:50):
I'm going to call it my favorite wrestling podcast. I
went home after our last recording and watched The End
of the Fucking World.

Speaker 1 (10:58):
Dude on Netflix.

Speaker 2 (10:59):
It's such a good you have to watch it. It's
everything Georgia said it was and more. It's I binged
it all at once.

Speaker 1 (11:06):
I forgot to mention that thing. So I was saying,
Wes Anderson, Harold and Maud, my friend Dahmer almost oh yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (11:12):
It's just so gorgeous. It's really well done. It's just
those Brits. They know how to do some storytelling and
it's character humor. Yes, oh it's so good. But those
kids are such good actors. I'm amazing such I I
never want to watch teens do anything, and now he's
teens were the exception they were, so.

Speaker 1 (11:33):
It's such a good show. I watch it at the
end of the fucking world. Must see that kid whose
dad was like, my son's missing, and the cops were like,
he's probably a runaway. And then I was like, fuck
that shit, and hired a fucking helicopter and found his
kids crashed in a car in a ravine, no live.
Thirty hours later. Shit, so like a couple of his
kids were trapped in the No, it was just his

(11:53):
son by himself. Yeah, oh my fat The helicopter searched, search,
found the kid crashed in a fuck been still three
hours later, He's like, holy shit, kid's not a fucking runaway.

Speaker 2 (12:04):
I thought you were going to mention the alive still alive.
The kid was found alive. Yes, he survived. I thought
you were going to talk about the three kids that
escaped the house in Riverside County Jesus that were twelve
like children between the ages of nine and twenty seven,
chain to.

Speaker 1 (12:22):
A wall, like fourteen kids. Yes, and they're so emaciated
they couldn't tell how old they were in Riverside.

Speaker 2 (12:29):
And also the my friend Karen Anderson's the one who
told me to look at it and she goes. The
data is so upsetting. It looks like Jeff Danielson dumb,
dumb and dart no. And he totally has the weirdest bangs,
like page boy haircut. It's very disturbing.

Speaker 1 (12:46):
My parents look very problematic. Yeah, and have proven to
be right. Those poor children like to be able to
still in prison a twenty seven year old means you've
had some fucking lifelong conditioning of this poor kid.

Speaker 2 (13:01):
I'll tell you that when a kid knocked on their door,
I bet you this is my theory. A kid going
around trying to sell like magazines or something and knocked
on that door. Whoever opened that door, whatever the smell was,
that kid was like, sorry, I forgot something on my
bike and ran away.

Speaker 1 (13:19):
Like don't don't you think.

Speaker 2 (13:21):
A house like that, it would just be like like
one weird candle in the in the back roud and
everything else is dark.

Speaker 1 (13:27):
How many? Yeah? Or did they have the perfect veneer
and like no one could tell? Yeah, probably not. You
gotta lose I mean you can't. You got to lose
that veneer after a few kids, after the eleventh child
just changed the wall.

Speaker 2 (13:41):
Yeah, Jesus Christ, Okay, all right, you're first this week,
I guess I am yeah, is that correct?

Speaker 1 (13:51):
This week? Okay, okay, So.

Speaker 2 (13:54):
I have been on my couch. I sprained my rale
on Sunday.

Speaker 1 (14:00):
Tell everyone, I saw the bruise. It's fucked up.

Speaker 2 (14:03):
It's I rolled my ankle. I've already sprained both my
ankles twice. This is not I don't find talking about
medical problems interesting at all. But this was kind of
great because I was walking my dog's with my friend.
He said, hey, did they redo that house? I look
over my shoulder like it's a ginaa commercial, walking the

(14:24):
dog one direction but looking backwards, and I'm like, we
have madhouse over there, and just step like on the
edge of the cement where the cement meets the grass,
roll my ankle.

Speaker 1 (14:35):
Listen to it snap.

Speaker 2 (14:37):
My friend Don, who was behind me, said it turned
it at a ninety degree angle. Oh, and then I
went down. He said it looked like I looked like
a stunt woman. I went like, I went down like
hand hip leg, like in a perfect line. He really
liked it, but I knew immediately that it was bad. Yeah,
and so I just got up and went in and.

Speaker 1 (14:58):
Kept like couch goodbye. Yeah. Yes, I elevated iced whatever.

Speaker 2 (15:03):
So tonight is the first night I have gone out
and like driven, Oh no, it was fine. If it's
if I keep it like you know, yeah, wrapped instead.

Speaker 1 (15:13):
So you've had a long time to study.

Speaker 2 (15:15):
I'm just get really caught up and telling that whole story.
I'm like, oh, yeah, that's right. I'm trying to talk
about this. So I've been laying in front on the couch.
Now I'm talking about that as if.

Speaker 1 (15:23):
Kind of a dream. What it's kind of a dream? Well,
also I do it.

Speaker 2 (15:27):
Anyway, what I realized is this sprained ankle just made
me go you have to stop living. Like your ankle
is sprained at the time, you have to stop it.
So once your ankle is not sprained, start living. They
leave the house, go ahead and walk somewhere.

Speaker 1 (15:44):
You know what. I guarantee they'll be springed ankles in
the future where you're going to be Like, I wish
I had lived my life outside of this. Yes, I
always would know that I'd be back here at some point.
You enjoying a sprained ankle.

Speaker 2 (15:55):
The couches forever, you might as well go get up
and move around while you can. I feel like my
body because I'm so indignant and I'm so like defiance
disorder based. Yeah, I feel like my body has to
sprain my ankle like every eight months just to be
like up off the couch now.

Speaker 1 (16:12):
Or get you really sick, to be like, wouldn't you
love to not be here right now in that fucking couch.

Speaker 2 (16:16):
Stop living like you're sick and all of your joints
don't work. Okay, But since I was okay, there is
a Netflix movie called Murder on the Cape. I don't
know if you've seen it. It of course immediately came
up when it went onto Netflix.

Speaker 1 (16:33):
In my suggestion netflick knows.

Speaker 2 (16:35):
Us what's amazing about it? Because I was and I
think you and I talked about this a little bit,
but I got really addicted to those Hallmark Christmas movies yeah,
over Christmas, because my sister kept putting them on as a.

Speaker 1 (16:47):
Joke, but then we'd watch them for real.

Speaker 2 (16:48):
I love that, and it was away Christmas is for
it is right because it's you get like some hot chocolate,
we're all sitting on.

Speaker 1 (16:56):
The couch and then it's just make fun of TV.
It's blather.

Speaker 2 (16:59):
Yeah, it's it's a guy in a huge sweater pretending
he works at a Christmas tree farm really and it's
always then it's like, oh, she's really smart and type A.
But she had to come to this small town to
do something. It's okay. So I see Murder on the
Cape and I'm like, that doesn't look like an actual

(17:19):
movie and it doesn't look good, and I'm like, and also,
I wonder which murder on which cape? This is?

Speaker 1 (17:26):
It checked all your boxes, right, but what's the thing?
It hurked all your bad.

Speaker 2 (17:29):
It hurkeyed right into all my boxes. But so I
looked it up online first before I actually I didn't
want to watch it cold.

Speaker 1 (17:37):
I didn't want to waste my time.

Speaker 2 (17:38):
And the first thing that came up was an article
on Decider, the website Decider called, and the headline was,
Murder on the Cape is a bonker's crime story based
on a true story. So they had already watched it
and reviewed it and were like, this thing is like
the room basically. So I stopped reading that article because
I didn't want to, like, in case I had some

(18:00):
of the same thoughts. I want to say that I
just read the headline and then at the beginning of
the description, I was like, Okay, I'm.

Speaker 1 (18:07):
There plagiarizing this. Yes, the word bonkers. Bonkers is my favorite.
It's so funny. My friend Eric Dodurian on Twitter changed
his name to Linda K. Bonkers, and I lack every
time I see it. Okay, So this and I highly
recommend that you do your substance of choice, and that

(18:30):
can be the Bible, it can be a glass of water.

Speaker 2 (18:33):
But but do something to get yourself in the mood
to accept what the television.

Speaker 1 (18:38):
Is giving you. You could pour a glass of water
on the Bible. That could be your.

Speaker 2 (18:41):
Thing, and then light it on fire. But what you
should do is get some why.

Speaker 1 (18:47):
Wine, wine or ginger ale and southern comfort.

Speaker 2 (18:51):
Okay, how about some Malibu coconut liqueur and u Fanta okay, line, okay,
got it, pantal lime and some and then a twistle lemon.

Speaker 1 (19:06):
Whatever it needs. Karen's just talking about her deathbed wish.
That's seriously make me a grasshopper.

Speaker 2 (19:15):
I almost had when when the Hawaiian nuclear strike thing
came to was like, I mean, I might as well
just it's really bad.

Speaker 1 (19:25):
But anyway point being, we I mean, we all get
it right.

Speaker 2 (19:30):
Yeah, I'm going to be back on that or off
that wagon the second I have a valid governmental reason.

Speaker 1 (19:37):
The minute it happens, I'm gonna come over and be like, Hey,
what you're doing with one of those huge bottles of champagne. Well,
I'm not going to bring it. I'm gonna let you
because I don't want to enable you.

Speaker 2 (19:48):
Oh, you're just gonna discover me. Okay, Hi, just wanted
to check in on you, and then you're gonna be like,
that's weird. I guess I have a champagne too. It's
going to be a champagne party.

Speaker 1 (19:58):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (19:58):
So on the Cape, the made for Netflix movie is
quite something and I highly recommend you watch it. It
is very much like The Room meets a It's almost
for me. I would actually say more it's not so
bad as The Room. But there are definitely actors where
you say, did you like acting before your friend decided

(20:22):
to make this movie or is this something that was
like you wanted to do that this weekend along with
your friend who decided to make this one. There's a
lot of people making big choices, taken huge swings, really
going for it. There's a lot I can I could
see in my mind's eye these actors going hey, hey,

(20:44):
Chuck or whoever the director is, I'm really going to
go for it this time.

Speaker 1 (20:48):
They're like, this is what acting is. Ready, Yeah, I'm.

Speaker 2 (20:51):
Gonna kick my leg and do a dance for some
reason that doesn't actually connect with what my character is
doing in the scene.

Speaker 1 (20:56):
Good, So that's cool. The lead guy.

Speaker 2 (21:02):
I feel like I saw somewhere that somebody in this
movie was.

Speaker 1 (21:07):
In a soap opera sometime. Oh, that makes sense.

Speaker 2 (21:09):
I didn't recognize anybody. And the story, the way the
Murder on the Cape story is told is very much
against the victim. In my opinion, it's very much making
her look like she tricked him in like and then
I thought, oh, I should actually look this up and
see if there's somebody that was in the real case
that is connected with writing this movie, because it's just

(21:33):
just median quality enough, so pretty much anyone could have
written it.

Speaker 1 (21:37):
Fucking conspiracy theory on the Cape. I mean, you never know,
you have to watch it.

Speaker 2 (21:41):
But she it's like she tricked him into sleeping with her,
and then she tricked him into getting her pregnant, and
then she and then like blurring, Yeah, there's it's a
it's a very problematic presentation. So then I looked up
the actual story because I'm like, that's alay, sounds familiar,
but it does not look familiar in Murder on the Cape.

(22:03):
And granted that they open it up by saying this
is based on a true story, but I don't think
they claim it is exact.

Speaker 1 (22:10):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (22:10):
So here's the real story, okay, and then you can
hear this story, process it and the horror of it.
Then like, clear your palette and then go back and
watch that thing as its own separate thing.

Speaker 1 (22:23):
Pour your glass of water on the Bible and then
go watch it. Click, turn that TV on. Okay.

Speaker 2 (22:29):
So this all takes place in a town called Truro, Massachusetts,
which I reminded myself just it's like you're saying.

Speaker 1 (22:37):
Truro, yeah, the tea, So it's true, t true, t
r u Are Oh, I believe whatever. That's not it Truro.
That's not a word, the word, is it? Okay.

Speaker 2 (22:52):
So it's nineteen ninety seven and this is a tiny
fishing village basically at the very top of Cape Cod
and it's busy in the summer obviously with the vacationers,
but then in the winter it's dead and it's really cold,
except for all the fishermen and the families that live there, obviously,
And a woman named Krystal Worthington moves there in nineteen

(23:15):
ninety seven. She was very successful at the time, forty
year old fashion writer. She's written for El Harper's Women's
War Daily, The New York Times. She's also co authored
books on fashion. She's a successful writer, and she had
been writing internationally. She'd been doing stuff in Europe and

(23:36):
basically living a very high stress kind of high fashion lifestyle,
and so she wanted to get away from that and
go up to the Cape. So her family she came
from a very prominent family, and her family owned a
lot of different.

Speaker 1 (23:50):
Houses and places in Truro.

Speaker 2 (23:55):
When she moved there, she moved into a pink bungalow
that was right next to the harbor master's shack, and
uh a couple months later she moved out of that
and into a larger house that her family owned, a
really beautiful cottage. Me. Yeah, it's I mean, I looking

(24:16):
at these places in that there's a forty eight hours
that one of the main ones I watched is a
forty hours eight hours all about it, and they just
keep showing clips of like a ship just kind of
going around like along the coastline, and like, you know,
an icebreaker.

Speaker 1 (24:33):
It's just like awesome looking. However, two weeks till you're
bored out of your fucking mind. I mean, twenty bucks.
You know you got to have your Netflix. Got maybe
like some crossword boss you no Wi Fi is body
out there? Yeah, that's true. That would make you nuts, right,
you'd get you'd be getting on that jitney back into town.
A couple a bunch of times.

Speaker 2 (24:53):
They're jitney from messages I've never heard before, so I
couldn't tell you. Jitney is a word I learned from
my New York friends. They jump onto it to take
It's like a little bus that drives strictly to like
the Hampton's or something, oh, from Manhattan or some like summer.

Speaker 1 (25:09):
It's the summertime, Jitney. You go out to the beach,
all right?

Speaker 2 (25:17):
So on January sixth, two thousand and two, twenty to
five in the afternoon, a guy named Tim Arnold, who
is Krista Winnington's neighbor on the other side of the woods,
drops by her house to return a flashlight, and inside

(25:38):
he finds her dead body. She's been stabbed on the
left side of the chest and she's on the kitchen floor.
Her two year old daughter, Ava is there next to her,
clutching her, so yeah, she's been with the body for

(26:00):
for a while. Tim grabs up at Ava and runs out,
calls nine one one police come. They find that Chris
has been stabbed through the chest. The knife missed her heart,
it pierced her lung, and she bled out on the
kitchen floor. This murder is the first murder that Truro

(26:20):
has seen in thirty years, so like, nothing happens in
this tiny town anyway, and like nothing like this, so
of course everyone's freaking out, and you know they later on,
the defense lawyer will claim that the amts were sloppy and.

Speaker 1 (26:39):
Compromise the crime scene.

Speaker 2 (26:41):
They did throw a blanket over Christa's body when they
got there to cover her up. She'd been raped, and
luckily the police did find DNA on her body that
they ended up sending to the lab, so they knew
that there was somebody else's DNA on the body in
the lie could be a good lead. Unfortunately, the lab

(27:03):
is insanely backed up. It was nineteen ninety seven, So
this was like, you know. So they start talking to
the people in Chris's life. They talked to Tim Arnold,
the neighbor. They find out he wasn't just her neighbor,
he was also her ex boyfriend. They dated for about
a year. He says he has nothing to do with
her death. Then, in talking to her friends, they find

(27:28):
out that Ava's father is a married man who was
born and raised in Truro and his name is Tony Jacket.

Speaker 1 (27:38):
What the fuck? Why do we keep getting these names? Jesus?

Speaker 2 (27:43):
Now, it does have two teas, But I mean, that's
right on par with Jimmy Buttons in terms of a noun.

Speaker 1 (27:49):
Name Buttons, Jacket, there's an onion. I mean it just
as if this was writing, it would be lazy. But
it's not. It's just how it happens.

Speaker 2 (28:00):
It turns out Tony Jacket he's lived in Druor all
his life. I'm only going to call him Tony Jacket
the whole time. And he has six kids, he's married.
But and this is in the forty eight hours, and
by his own account, he saw Krista when she moved
into that pink bungalow right by the Harbormaster Shack because
he was working there as the fishing warden in the

(28:22):
forty eight hours. He calls himself the fishing Warden. An
article I found on ABC news dot Com referred to him,
and I'm not joking as the shellfish Constable. No, I
don't know if that writer for ABC news dot com
was bored and just being funny or.

Speaker 1 (28:41):
Just reading cartoons like a cartoon or pitching an idea
for SpongeBob SquarePants episode.

Speaker 2 (28:48):
Yes where the Shellfish Constable rolls into town are the same.

Speaker 1 (28:51):
But if that's a cartoon, ma'am it totally is.

Speaker 2 (28:57):
In the movie, the Netflix film Murder on the Cape,
the character that plays Tony Jacket's character is very ashamed
to be the Shellfish Constable and he's he was, i
think a contractor and he couldn't get work and so
this was his way of like because they were they're
you know, having financial the families out and financial problems.

Speaker 1 (29:17):
He has six.

Speaker 2 (29:17):
Kids, so he had to you know, take the job. Anyway,
as he's working as a shellfish Constable, he sees Krista,
this beautiful very you know, very fashionable, very you know,
all the pictures of her she's just a gorgeous woman
and he's immediately they immediately hit it off and are
attracted to each other.

Speaker 1 (29:37):
And she's like this high society. He's just like gruffs,
smell a kind of hot local.

Speaker 2 (29:41):
Probably, Yes, he's very He looks like he should have
been like a third string character in the Sopranos. He
has like big lips and squinty eyes and like combed
back hair, very kind of like mambo Italiano.

Speaker 1 (29:59):
I can't explain it, got it, and I'm not against it.
I'll say that, not judge, like get yours, get your
sea constable.

Speaker 2 (30:07):
Around your shellfish constable Italian peace.

Speaker 1 (30:13):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (30:14):
So she when they first get together, Christa tells Tony
she can't have kids. She's been told she can't have kids.
They have their affair for a year. They end up
breaking up. In the film Murder on the Cape, they
make it look like she won't leave him alone and
is like always trying to be in his business and
finding him at the grocery store and stuff, where I'm like,

(30:37):
prove that. It seems like she had plenty of dudes
in her life and it wasn't a desperate.

Speaker 1 (30:42):
From Lettuce Where else is she gonna go. And it's
a tiny, truly tiny town. Right, guy, run into my
fucking ex at the grocery store and this is fucking
Los Angeles for real. Maybe he's talking me. I actually
don't run into my ex.

Speaker 2 (30:56):
I have never run into anyone I didn't want to
run into in this town, I swear. And I have
to knock on wood now, knock on Why would I
ever say that out loud? No, I just want like
open the nightmare door.

Speaker 1 (31:09):
Basically, Oh, next week's gonna be fun. I'm gonna talk
about who you run into.

Speaker 2 (31:14):
Yeah. Yeah, Oh, I better start wearing so much mass
scaring the makeup, constant, constant makeup.

Speaker 1 (31:21):
It'll be so different. Okay.

Speaker 2 (31:24):
Uh. Basically, she comes to him and says I'm pregnant
and it's your baby, and he's like, you told me
you couldn't have babies. And then she's like, well, it's
miracle and that's why I'm keeping it. I don't care
what you say, and I don't you don't need to
be a part of it. Yeah, and he is, he
said in the forty eight hours, he was like, I
was dumbfounded, and he kind of thought she tricked him,

(31:46):
but she goes on and has her life and starts
to raise her bait her daughter Ava herself, but at
some point she asked Tony not only to pay child support,
but she wants him to tell his wife that he
has a daughter.

Speaker 1 (32:03):
So Tony actually ends up.

Speaker 2 (32:05):
Tony Jacket ends up telling his wife of like, how
many years of six kids and years that he had
an affair.

Speaker 1 (32:12):
And now he has this daughter. Jackets, the jackets, the
jackets come off.

Speaker 2 (32:19):
The jackets had to come off that night, so so
basically his wife Susan of course is very upset at
first and live it at him, but then it basically
they all. She ends up meeting Christa and Krista comes
over for dinner and brings the baby and they.

Speaker 1 (32:37):
Start to make it work. Susan. Susan herself tells the
story in the Forty eight Hours. Women are the best people.

Speaker 2 (32:44):
Women are just like, this is a kid that is
not gonna like have her life be.

Speaker 1 (32:48):
Bad because of fucking jackets over here, because of Captain Jacket,
I fucking married oh man, so so and she says
she actually liked her and basically amazing, I know.

Speaker 2 (33:05):
But also Susan provides Tony's alibi he was home with
her the night of Christa's death.

Speaker 1 (33:12):
Okay, so the police are like, it's all a little weird.

Speaker 2 (33:16):
Yeah, But then they also discover Christa was having issues
with her seventy seventy two year old father.

Speaker 1 (33:24):
They were, you.

Speaker 2 (33:24):
Know, as I said, like this prominent family, and apparently
the seventy two year old father now had a twenty
nine year old girlfriend. Her name is Elizabeth Porter. She
had been a sex worker, and she had been a
heroin addict and now she had gotten her life together
and she was dating the love of her life.

Speaker 1 (33:44):
Seventy two year old dad. You're embarrassing me.

Speaker 2 (33:47):
And Christa was like, you are spending too much money
on this woman. And then they cut in the forty
eight hours. They fucking do a hard cut to this woman,
Elizabeth Porter, walking down like a courtroom thing, and she goes.

Speaker 1 (34:01):
Y'all like to take pictures, I mean, don't yet.

Speaker 2 (34:03):
And she has like this insane cigarette voice, and she's
just yelling at all the cameras at once. Oh holy God,
not handling her shit at all.

Speaker 1 (34:12):
So he wasn't like, no, I've met this classy dame
and listen, I'm not talking shit on her being a
sex worker or a Hameron addict. Date sex worker and
Harry and addict, But a twenty nine year old and
a seventy two together year old don't belong together.

Speaker 2 (34:24):
I mean, you don't know any of the same references. No,
you don't use any of the same emojis, no, or
hair products or gifts or anything. You don't listen to
the same podcasts.

Speaker 1 (34:37):
I mean, overall, the rule is don't date someone younger
than your children. Yead. I'm madly dad for being a
fucking creepyzoid.

Speaker 2 (34:45):
But I mean I know a lot of people that
have had that happen where they're like, and now my stepmom's.

Speaker 1 (34:50):
More than me. That's just like an obvious no.

Speaker 2 (34:53):
I know, I shouldn't say a lot of people. I
know one person. Great, if you knew a lot of people,
who would be so impressed. These are the ways I
constantly lie. It just comes out as a lot of
people and I'm like, just the one.

Speaker 1 (35:05):
But you're not hurting anyone because I'm like cool, tell me.

Speaker 2 (35:10):
But so that was actually they were like, well this
this could actually be if she because she was complaining
to her father and basically saying, stop spending money, cut
her off. So then and you know, so it does
become and it sounded like it was this thing where
this is almost like a vacation town. It's the elite,

(35:30):
the people with the money in the town, and then
the people who make the town.

Speaker 1 (35:33):
Go right, and they all kind of hate each other.

Speaker 2 (35:35):
I mean, you could it all could get real, you know, Yeah,
who nurses them?

Speaker 1 (35:41):
So the police are just like, it can be anybody.
So they're thinking Dad's girlfriend hired someone to kill her maybe.

Speaker 2 (35:48):
Or they're just looking at that girlfriend that she doesn't
have the best background and she would have reason to
get rid of her to be like, yeah, I want
to keep my money source open.

Speaker 1 (35:58):
God my dad is poor, because otherwise it does solve
a lot of it. Yeah, no one's gonna date, no
twenty nine year it's going to date unless you're in
love with him and they have my fucking blessing, and
that's nice. I know it would be nice, but I'm
happy made.

Speaker 2 (36:12):
Okay, So they got the police. There's so much going
on now and there's so many suspects. The police go
to the FBI to get help and to get a
profile drawn up. The profile that the FBI gives them
doesn't help them.

Speaker 1 (36:27):
It does.

Speaker 2 (36:27):
They don't have anybody that matches it. Finally, a year
after Chris's murder, Laberseelts come back and they find out
the DNA that they found on her body doesn't match
any of these suspects. So none of these ex boyfriends, nobody,
and they're like, what the fuck?

Speaker 1 (36:46):
So they have to start all over again.

Speaker 2 (36:49):
So what they decide to do is ask for the
DNA of every man who lives intro.

Speaker 1 (36:55):
Holy shit.

Speaker 2 (36:56):
And there's a reporter in this forty hours who was
like the reporter from day one who was told his
whole story. Yeah, and he was like, well then that
was just crazy. And then just you clearly they have
nothing and they're just like trying to do whatever.

Speaker 1 (37:10):
But how many men? How many men are we talking?
I don't know offhand, all right.

Speaker 2 (37:15):
I normally I would have lied, but I com I say,
let's just go ahead with fifteen thousand, because it's fun
and it's a it's a good number.

Speaker 1 (37:25):
It's a really small town.

Speaker 2 (37:27):
Let's say two hundred, okay, let's say between two and
one hundred and nine thousand.

Speaker 1 (37:33):
Great, okay.

Speaker 2 (37:34):
So two and a half years later, the DA Michael
O'Keefe announces they've.

Speaker 1 (37:39):
Gotten a match back from the DNA and some idiot
killer gave them their DNA.

Speaker 2 (37:44):
Well, yes, and it leads to the arrest of a
suspect named Christopher McGowan. He is her garbage man, so
police first bring him for questioning. The police say, do
you know Krystal Worthington. He says, no, I just know
she's a stop on my on my garbage route, but
I've never met her and I don't know her. And

(38:07):
they say, okay, well we found your DNA on her body.
Now what do you have to say, and he says, well,
actually I went to her house on Thursday, which is
the day that he picks up the garbage at her house,
and then I went inside and we had consensual sex.

(38:29):
And then he says he went back Friday, had sex
with her, then beat her, but his friend Jeremy Fraser
was there.

Speaker 1 (38:38):
His friend Jeremy Fraser started.

Speaker 2 (38:40):
Beating her up and then he left, and Jeremy Fraser
is the one that stayed.

Speaker 1 (38:44):
And killed her.

Speaker 2 (38:44):
What well, the police are like, well, that's a great
story except for Jeremy fra Your friend, Jeremy Fraser, your
good friend that you're setting up for this water. None
of his DNA is anywhere in the house, and he
there's no way to prove that he was ever anywhere there,
Oh my god. And so then basically, after a six
hour interrogation, he signs a waiver that says he doesn't

(39:05):
want a lawyer, and then he confesses to the murder.

Speaker 1 (39:10):
So this guy does the same guy, Christopher McGowan, the
garbage man. So basically the prosecution. So the trial starts.

Speaker 2 (39:18):
The prochues and tells everybody that Christopher McGowen went out
with his friend Jeremy Frasier and they got drunk and
then at one am he drives up to her house,
rapes her and kills her. But Christopher McGowan's defense attorney
is a guy named Bob George. He claims Christa had
consensual sex with him gowen on Thursday, the day he

(39:41):
brought he picked up the garbage, then he left, and
that her murder took place somewhere between Thursday and then
when her body was found on Sunday, and that hit
his client had.

Speaker 1 (39:54):
Nothing to do with it, God damn it.

Speaker 2 (39:57):
He also suggested that Christopher McGowan and Christa Worthington could
have been having a consensual affair for a while, and
that it was just the elitists of this town that
didn't believe that a white woman who is this fancy
fashion writer could be having a consensual affair with a
black man who is the garbage man. He also submitted

(40:21):
that McGowan's IQ was in the low seventies, and so
that's why he waived the right for the lawyer.

Speaker 1 (40:29):
He didn't have. He had no chance once he was
in the police.

Speaker 2 (40:32):
But he basically said, but then, you know, so he's
basically saying his IQ is really low, so he was
tricked into all of this and he's just basically the
perfect patsy. Well, then the prosecution comes back and says
he's smart enough to have lied to say he didn't
know her.

Speaker 1 (40:50):
You know, there's like a lot of evasion tactics or whatever.

Speaker 2 (40:52):
So he clearly it is not just because he didn't
score well on that IQ test doesn't mean that he
isn't tricky and doing whatever you want. The defense also
alleges that the crime scene was totally contaminated by sloppy
EMTs because those amts came in and put a blanket
on Chris's body when they first saw her, and so

(41:13):
the DNA who knows who's DNA was on that blanket. Whatever,
They kind of just keep introducing reasons to doubt. So
Christa had an ex boyfriend who lived in Manhattan who
was in this forty eight hours who says if Krista
was having an affair with the garbage man, because he

(41:34):
had visited her two weeks before her murder, and he said,
that would have been the first thing she said when
I walked in the door, because she would have loved
that story. She would have been very proud of it. Yeah,
if she was having some kind of like you know,
it's not May December, but it's like the wrong side
of the tracks affair, she was the kind of person
I would love to talk about that. So up until

(41:57):
two weeks before her murder, that wasn't happening. So he
basically kind of it was interesting when he talked about that,
where it's like you can totally.

Speaker 1 (42:06):
See that basically. The trial goes on November sixteenth, two
thousand and six. He's found guilty.

Speaker 2 (42:13):
Christopher McGowan has found guilty of first degree murder with
extreme atrocity aggravated rape and aggravated armed burglary, and after
the verdict is read, Christopher McGowan makes a statement to
the court where he says, quote, I never meant for
this to ever take place, and then after he says
that he claims to still be innocent.

Speaker 1 (42:35):
Wow, which is a really weird way to say it.
If you're innocent.

Speaker 2 (42:40):
He is serving three concurrent life terms in prison without
the possibility of parole.

Speaker 1 (42:45):
So after all of that, the verdict comes down.

Speaker 2 (42:48):
In January of two thousand and eight, several jurors came
forward and claimed that there was a racial bias in
the jury room during the deliberations, So all twelve jurors
got called back to court by the judge and they
all were questioned over those claims, and their testimony revealed
that there was racial tension in the jury room. So

(43:09):
because of that, Christopher mc gowan's lawyer used that information
as grounds to file an emotion for a retrial, but
that was struck down, as have all three appeals that
McGowan's defense attorneys have filed on his behalf since he
got sentenced. And then in twenty twelve, the defense attorney,

(43:30):
Bob George, was convicted of money laundering and he himself
served three years in prison.

Speaker 1 (43:36):
What yes, so the very much. I mean, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (43:45):
There's a lot of things that get introduced in this case,
in this forty eight hours that that defense attorney Bob George,
he actually did a really good job of introducing all
these possible doubts this case. But at the end of
the day, it's DNA, yeah, and his was the only

(44:06):
DNA on her body, and she was raped and.

Speaker 1 (44:09):
Murdered, and she was raped and murdered, which would have
meant there would have been someone else's DNA there, right, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (44:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (44:17):
And it's funny because that forty eight hours is kind
of old.

Speaker 2 (44:19):
And they it's interesting how it feels like they keep
pointing to this idea that she quote had a lot
of boyfriends, that that seemed to be at play in
the way people kind of like judged.

Speaker 1 (44:31):
This, yeah, that, and like she had an affair with
a married man, where it's like, yeah.

Speaker 2 (44:37):
She was not to be trusted, so yeah, yeah, or
there was I don't know, it's it's I didn't like I.

Speaker 1 (44:44):
Didn't like it. And the movie did that too. The
movie was crazy.

Speaker 2 (44:48):
The movie was all about fucking Tony Jackets, the will
the character that was representing him, and like how tough
his life was and how these all these women were
making his life really tough.

Speaker 1 (44:59):
And there's poor fucking baby.

Speaker 2 (45:01):
You have to see you have to see it. It's
pretty amazing. And there's also the casting is fucking fascinating.
The woman who plays Tony Jackett's wife. A couple times
I was like, is that Bridget Everett, you know the
comic bridge, because it looked like her and it was
this kind of like everything had a it was right

(45:22):
on the verge of being campy.

Speaker 1 (45:23):
Yeah, and then would just come back every time too boring.
When they made the movie, did they know who the
killer was and then they showed that's what happened?

Speaker 2 (45:32):
Yes, although I'm pretty sure I fell asleep before the
end of the movie because how can.

Speaker 1 (45:37):
You have victim blame throughout a movie and then it
turns out it's just some fucking other guy psycho murderer? Yes,
you know what I mean, which has it wouldn't matter
if she was let's say, promiscuous or not. I'm not
saying she was, but it wouldn't fucking matter. It doesn't
matter anyway, Like that thing that happened. Happened.

Speaker 2 (45:54):
That's the case that needs to get sold. I mean,
it's crazy. Yeah, I think at the end of this
thing it's there. They leave it super vague.

Speaker 1 (46:04):
Maybe he didn't, right, No, he did.

Speaker 2 (46:07):
Yeah, But I recommend everyone go because it's this bizarre
crossroads of It's almost like every bad reenactment you've ever
seen if all the reactors had lines where it's like,
you know what, play with this scene and figure out
what happened with you guys.

Speaker 1 (46:21):
I want to see crazy Susan Jackets gets her group back,
or she leaves her fucking her husband goes to an island.
Is it Susan, it's Susan Jackets, It is now Susan Jacket.
It's crazy. But the little girl.

Speaker 2 (46:37):
The good news is the little girl went to live
with the person that that Krista Worthington chose to be
her good to be the guardian, which.

Speaker 1 (46:51):
Is a good friend of hers.

Speaker 2 (46:53):
But Tony Jackets and Susan have visited her and now
she's like, uh, in college and she's doing great.

Speaker 1 (47:00):
Honey, Yeah, fly you're you're a bird. Fly, I don't know,
spread your wings, you know. That's my words of encouragement.
I bet that'll work. Spread your you know, spread your
wings and stuff. Wow, crazy, I mean, it's almost like
a good thing that your ankle got twisted.

Speaker 2 (47:20):
When I go ahead and say, so, what's a good
thing that I watched TV twenty four hours a day.

Speaker 1 (47:25):
Finally something good came out of it? All right, my murder? Okay,
So you know I'm obsessed with fucking infectious diseases and
plagues and flu epidemics. Oh you know I love all
this shit, right sure, that's my passion illness. Uh huh

(47:47):
like end of days shit, great level stuff. Okay, and
right now the flu, right now, in mid January twenty eighteen,
the flu is already an epidemic this year, which is fun.
I just got a shot, did you get show? Oh good?
I think it's irritated and I'm gonna die. But anyways,

(48:10):
well at least you won't have the fluid you die exactly.
So on that note, because it's so fun, I thought
I would, do you know, our good friend Typhoid Mary Nice.
Here we go in the summer of nineteen oh six

(48:31):
on Long Island's Oyster Bay. Have you been there? I haven't.
I think they take one of those little trains a
jitney to get there, right, I don't know, nineteen o
six a jitny? Did they have cars? It was made
of straw, don't know, maybe a horse jitney. So Long
Island's Oyster Bay is the tony playground of New York's

(48:54):
rich and famous Teddy fucking Roosevelt, none other than had
his summer white house there. Oh, all fucking rich people. Sure,
and everyone freaks the fuck out when, in a span
of just one week, six of the eleven people in
the home of wealthy banker. Also he's the banker to
the Vanderbilts. Even Charles Warren's household comes down with typhoid

(49:17):
fever while they're there on vacation. Typhoid is a bacterial
infection let me tell you about it, due to salmonilla typhee.
And it's viewed back then as a disease of the
crowded slums and tenements, which we'd love to talk about. Yes,
in New York, it's associated with poverty, the lack of
basic sanitation. Immigrants assume to live in disease ridden, crowded

(49:40):
housing our scapegoats of typhoid. So when a rich fucking
family gets it, it's bananas. Typhoid is one of the
twentieth centuries most terrifying killers because an infection could spread
through a house before anyone knew what was going on.
The first week, the infection seems almost you know, like
just regular food. Then there's the fever or some abdominal cramping,

(50:03):
but nothing really crazy to show that it's typhoid. And
then during the second week, fever goes crazy, the patient
becomes delirious, blood clots form under the skin, the entire
abdomen becomes distended. Ooh. The third week inflammation of the
fucking brain and intestinal hemorrhaging, intestinal hemorrhaging, and the death
rate of those infected is anywhere between one in ten

(50:27):
and three and ten. So it's really easily spread by
eating or drinking food or water contaminated with the feces
of infected persons. They so think about that. In the
nineteen hundred, literally nineteen hundreds, you know, when they didn't
like wash their hands and stuff, and like water wasn't
you know, cleaned and shit, and they all lived in

(50:48):
like houses and stuff that were all you.

Speaker 2 (50:52):
Know, Yeah that I mean that was back still when
people get up and just pee in a bowl under
the bed right right, just like slash it back under,
probably throw it out the window.

Speaker 1 (51:00):
Sure, where is that when they threw stuff out the window,
throw the baby.

Speaker 2 (51:04):
Out with them?

Speaker 1 (51:04):
Probably? Man, I bet, I bet they did. Let's say yes,
But I like the idea that people would do it
in rich houses, scad They didn't. So that's the thing, Okay,
Like they did it. So it was really weird that
this typhoid was an outbreak in a rich house. So
people were That's why on Oyster Bay they were like,
this is a fucking something's wrong. Not here, not in

(51:26):
my family, not in my backyard right, not in the
tony playground of the rich and famous. Hell no, no.
But in nineteen hundred it killed thirty five thousand Americans.
There's no cure, antibiotics didn't exist, and a vaccine was
not yet available. So scary. So the Charles Warren's landlord

(51:47):
was freaking out that the family outbreak would prevent him
from leasing his summer house again. He thought they were
burned it to the fucking ground because of typhoid. So
he was like, fuck the shit. He hires freelance sanitary
engineer George Soper.

Speaker 2 (52:00):
A freelance sanitary engineer, doctor George Sofer, okay, which is like,
you sound fun at parties.

Speaker 1 (52:06):
You sound like you have a made up job. Uh,
it's called a janitor. No. No, He's like he investigates
sources of typhoid fever outbreaks to determine the cause. Like
he's the dude who hous like doctor house, He's fucking house.
He's like, come over to my house, figure out what
happened here? Okay, Like why is everyone sick? He's the

(52:29):
dude who figures it out? Like, what was his name again?
George Soper, doctor George Soper. Okay. So he's like, he's like,
what's his name? The detective Colombo Sherlock Calms. You can
leave that pardon. He's like the Columbo Sherlock Holms of diseases.

Speaker 2 (52:51):
Okay, okay, of I was gonna say diarrhea, what spen?

Speaker 1 (52:56):
We don't use that word. No, please do use that word.
So everything, So super tests everything, he's like super excited
about gross stuff. She apparently he tests the house plumbing,
local shellfish company. Everything comes up negative for typhoid. But
then he looks into the cook who had worked for
the Warrens weeks before the outbreak and discovered that a
female Irish cook who fit the description of a cook

(53:21):
who had worked in other households where typhoid had broke
out broke out, no, broken into the pass that she
had worked there right before everyone fell ill of typhoid,
and had also just cooked for the Warrens.

Speaker 2 (53:35):
So I don't know why you to hire an Irish cook.

Speaker 1 (53:41):
We can't fucking cook like red potatoes. Yeah, but I
think that back then they liked the simplicity of it all.
Oh man, such a bummer. I mean, I fucking amazing
to me. That's all I want is pot roast and
red potatoes. Are you serious with some horse ratish?

Speaker 2 (53:59):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (53:59):
What about yellow with fruit cocktail floating inside of it?
Fruit cocktail? Yes? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (54:04):
And then of course my grandma special what did she
put on it? Thousand Island dressing?

Speaker 1 (54:09):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (54:10):
Hard stop, that's uh an iceberg lettuce?

Speaker 1 (54:14):
No, that's Irish cooking. My friends, do you know what
I want? I want iceberg lettuce one thousand island and
I want jellow with fruit cocktail. I don't want them
to meet each other.

Speaker 2 (54:21):
Well, sorry, my grandma says, you have to, and that's
my job to make it happen.

Speaker 1 (54:26):
And you have to finish it, you do, I mean
fair enough.

Speaker 2 (54:32):
She forced us to eat spinach as tiny babies, and
very few of us have ever broken a bone spinach.

Speaker 1 (54:39):
But you fucking twist her ankle. All that got down
time I roll it, but it don't break. Grandma, Okay, grandma,
he was Okay. So he can't find her because she
left after the after every outbreak begins. She fucking laters
out of there and doesn't give a fording address. Soaper
learns of an active outbreak and a penthouse on Park

(54:59):
Avenue where two of the household servants were hospitalized and
the young daughter of the family had died of typhoid.
Oh no, and she and he discovers. Sober discovers that
the family cook was the same woman who had cooked
for the other families. It's forty year old Irish immigrant
Mary Mallin. Oh, Mary, wash her hands. Mary, there, I go,

(55:20):
oh doing Mary? What does she say?

Speaker 2 (55:23):
And she says, Ah, I just need to start the
soup with my hand real quick.

Speaker 1 (55:27):
I can't do it. No, you're gonna do it. This
whole fucking story, we need it. Okay. Sober starts stocking
Mary Mallin and tells her, and he tells her she's
transmitting disease and death by her job. But he sounds
very bad at like telling people things and explaining in
a calm, like you know, self possessed manner to an

(55:48):
Irish immigrant, probably because he had some prejudices against Irish people.
So do you think he was like too nervous to
tell her He was like screaming. I think he was
screaming in her face this thing of transmitting disease and death,
and she's this like iris shimmers, like what are you
talking about? Ah ah, So he didn't explain to her
how she, as a woman who was perfectly healthy, could

(56:10):
be infecting others with typhoid. He attempted to get and
then and then he goes on to attempt to get
samples of Mary's feces urine and blood. I think just
by yelling in her face that he needs samples of
her feces urine and blood, Jesus Mary and Joseph Man
get away from me. Yeah. Not surprisingly, this just pissed
Mary off, and one time she chased him away with
a large kitchen fork when he tried to come get

(56:31):
her face. Get out here. That's my irish. Get out
of here, Get out of it, Get out of the kitchen.
Now you always have to start way high and then
go down really low. Okay. Since Mary refused to give samples,
he decided to compile a five year history of her employment.
He found that of the eight families that had hired

(56:51):
Mary Mallin as a cook, members of seven of those
families claimed to have contracted typhoid fever, even though Mary
had never shown signs of the ailment. And with this
Soper becomes the first author to describe a healthy carrier
of salvanilla ti fee in the United States. So the
person who can carry it never get ill by it,
but pass it on to other people. She's basically immune

(57:13):
to this thing she has, but she has is giving
it to everybody else. And part of her argument is like, well,
I'm fucking fine, it can't be me getting it to anyone, right,
So also, and let me use my whole arm as
and I just want to stir this fucking stew. I
just want to touch the bottom of the pan right
with my fingernail. I put this under my fingernails and

(57:34):
put it into the stew. What's the big deal is
the problem? My fingernail ladle right without washing my hands. Okay,
let me tell you about Mary. Mary Mallin was born
in September of eighteen sixty nine in Cooks County, Cookston County,
ty Tyrone, Cookston, let's call it, a small village in

(57:55):
the north of Ireland that was among one of Ireland's
poorest areas. She immigrated to United States in eighteen eighty
three at the age of fifteen. Her aunt and uncle,
who she had been living with, died, so she was
living in swaller squalid housing in the Lower East Side
fending for herself. She found work as a domestic servant,
and apparently her proclensity in the kitchen led her to

(58:19):
be a cook, so she was somehow what in the kitchen?
I don't know. I've copied and pasted a word that
I never used. Proclensity, propensity, cleansity, proclensity. That's a word.
I don't think it is shit. Hold on, I refuse
I covered and pasted it. Oh no, no, no, no,
no no.

Speaker 2 (58:38):
It sounded so good and I was gonna it kind
of was like the combination of propensity and declension.

Speaker 1 (58:43):
But I'm almost positive when your search proclesity did not
match any sarch talk with her propensity? Is that right? Well,
I'm never copying and pasting from Wikipedia again.

Speaker 2 (58:57):
Odd, So it's not there's no, it's propensity or that's
like it the.

Speaker 1 (59:02):
Correction, the correct Oh yeah, maybe they just the correct
word is propensity. Fuck all right, I'm not adding that
out because this is who I am. I'm in a
fucking show. Sometimes we get words wrong. It's okay, my
pro cleanston in the kitchen. It sounds like pro clemston.

(59:24):
Sounds like a like for men who are losing their hair.

Speaker 2 (59:27):
Yeah, shampoo, take mint pro clenston every night, right, Okay.

Speaker 1 (59:32):
In nineteen hundred, she worked in Mammaronic New York, heard
of it, nope, where within two weeks of her employment,
residents developed typhoid fever. In nineteen oh one, she moved
to Manhattan, were members of the family whom she worked
for developed fevers and diarrhea. That's a bummer to happen
at the same time. Yeah, that's horrible.

Speaker 2 (59:50):
You don't know what's happening and you have diarrhea. Right,
she's a laundress died there.

Speaker 1 (59:55):
Oh no, there's name. They don't mention anywhere, which is
like listen, she's someone too, that's right. And then Mary
Mellin goes on to work for a lawyer. She left
after seven of the eight people in that household became ill.
She fucking laters. Did she keep leaving though? I don't know?
She thinks she's so innocent. Well, it's so it's hard

(01:00:15):
to tell, because it's like, did she leave because everyone
got sick and so the house stood still and they
didn't need anyone? Or what did she know you need
help the most? It's true, chicken soup doesn't cook itself. Yeah,
that's to stir itself. Jesus Christ.

Speaker 2 (01:00:31):
Okay, chicken soup can't stir itself without an arm, and
it can't walk upstairs exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:00:37):
So okay. So then in nineteen oh six, she goes
to Oyster Bay and within two weeks ten of the
eleven family members are hospitalized with typhoid. Changes job again,
same thing happens, cooks for the Warren, same thing happens.
The bobbity blah Okay. Doctors theorized that Mary Mallan likely
passed typhoid germs by failing to vigorously scrub her hands

(01:01:02):
before handling food. Usually the elevated temperatures of cooking food
would have killed all the germs and bacteria and shit.
But then they found out that Mary Mallin's like most
popular dish, her specialty was ice cream that she cut
up raw peaches into and froze so nothing had gotten cooked.

(01:01:25):
Oh can you imagine those wet fucking peaches with her
little like cutting knife under and all the nail under
her nail stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:01:32):
As she's cutting peaches, she's also cutting a little bit
of her finger along with ye oh god, she had
a real pro quansity for cutting up her own flesh.

Speaker 1 (01:01:45):
I can't believe I got that word. Okay, the New
York Health, the New York City Health Department. Finally they
try to get her to chill the fuck out, and
she won't. Finally they sent position won't. She's like, fuck
you and everyone must cook. She's like an angry, an

(01:02:05):
angry woman.

Speaker 2 (01:02:06):
She had to fight for her like her life, livelihood.
You didn't have anybody, nobody.

Speaker 1 (01:02:12):
It reminds so I just started watching Alias Grace, which
you had talked about liking, and it reminds me of
like she came over on a ship in that fucking
in that nature of absolute bullshit. Yeah, she's like, fuck you,
I'm working to like live my own life.

Speaker 2 (01:02:27):
I mean it's those The ship journey alone was so
upsetting for most people coming to this country, traumatizing, just horrifying.
And then they show up and then it's like, I
hope you have a job.

Speaker 1 (01:02:38):
Yeah, good luck with that. Yeah. Also, you don't wash
your hands enough. Yeah that's what are you're talking about?
You know what that reminds me of real quick.

Speaker 2 (01:02:45):
Yeah, when I lived in Scotland, there was a commercial
that was on like UK TV, and it was are
you a washer.

Speaker 1 (01:02:53):
Or a walker?

Speaker 2 (01:02:54):
And it was just a ca It was pretend camera,
like hidden camera in a bathroom to see if people
walked up, checked their face.

Speaker 1 (01:03:01):
And walked away, or washed their hands and walked away.

Speaker 2 (01:03:03):
And since that commercial, I think before that, I was
very like, nah, who cares one way or the other?

Speaker 1 (01:03:09):
I know if I need to wash my hands lot.

Speaker 2 (01:03:11):
Since that commercial, I've oh, I washed my hands every
single time.

Speaker 1 (01:03:14):
You just can't trust doorknobs, You just can't trust door handles.
You just should wash your hands as much as possible,
and I do. I mean, you don't go out of
your fucking mind. I do, but like, do your best.
Don't be a walker, That's all I'm saying. My dad
every he won't sit down and will go to lunch anywhere.

(01:03:35):
He had just gone out of his car. He hasn't
touched anything. He won't. He's kind of has OCD though,
but he'll go wash his hands before like every time.
You can't even start talking to him. Oh wow, wash
his hands.

Speaker 2 (01:03:45):
I wonder if that's like, if his parents are really
strict about that, like before eating.

Speaker 1 (01:03:49):
Yeah, maybe it's a good idea.

Speaker 2 (01:03:51):
Every once in a while, I'll look at my hands,
especially when I was wearing cheap jeans. Oh no, there's
nothing worse than having dirty hands as an adult at
like a meal.

Speaker 1 (01:04:01):
Putting a food thing into your mouth and being like,
when was the last time I washed my hands? That's
my fucking thing of like, And then there's only so
many times you can go, well, I'm strengthening my immune system. Well,
most of the time you're not. You're just putting someone
else's fucking urine hands in your fucking mouth and from
the doorknob.

Speaker 2 (01:04:21):
We'd all have much stronger immune systems if that really
was right.

Speaker 1 (01:04:24):
I have a bit of an OCD about washing hands. Well,
you're Marty's daughter. I'm Marty's daughter, thrown through a hard
stark doesn't let her hands, doesn't mess, does not mess. Okay,
So New York Sitales sends in physicians Sarah Josephine Baker
to talk to Mary.

Speaker 2 (01:04:42):
So the singer, Yeah, right, almost, it would be amazing
at night.

Speaker 1 (01:04:47):
She was just amazing, Dan Hands. That's not good. Baker
said that by the time she was she said quote,
by that time, she was convinced that the law was
only persecuting her when she had done nothing wrong. So
Mary was like hardcore fuck you. Yeah, we're like that. Yeah,
Baker's so this chick, Sarah Josephine Baker her own father

(01:05:10):
and brother had died of typhoid when she was young,
and so she had felt pressure to support her mother
and sister financially. So at sixteen years old, she decided
on a career in medicine. Wow, this and this is
like the early nineteen hundreds, ladies two hundred. This chick
is a bad ass motherfucker in her own right, and
people should fucking study her, et cetera for feminist reasons.
She's fucking awesome. So she goes to find Mary mallin

(01:05:34):
and with her help, the New York City Health Department
takes Mary into custody in nineteen oh seven and places
were into forced confinement inside a bungalow on sixteen acre
North Brother Island off the Bronc Shore. So if you
live in had lived in Manhattan, or been in Manhattan,
you see a fucking island over there off the shore

(01:05:55):
that you can see. It's almost like Alcatraz in San Francisco, right,
So all the only companion she has, And tell me
if this doesn't sound amazing, She's in confinement. All she
has is a fox terrier and you're like, living the life?
Can I please? So wait, I think I'm in that
confinement right now. You put yourself in Mary Mallan's fucking confinement.

Speaker 2 (01:06:16):
We're all all Irish women are doomed to live the
life of Mary Mallan.

Speaker 1 (01:06:22):
It just repeats itself. Damn it. Okay, So it's at
So they on this Brother Island was the Riverside Hospital,
which is where she's at. It's founded in the eighteen
fifties as a smallpox hospital to treat and isolate victims
of that disease. So they just fucking put them on
this tiny island outside of Manhattan and you can see
Manhattan and you're like, oh, well and I want that,
and they're like, no, you're sick, too bad. It eventually

(01:06:46):
expands to other quarantineable diseases like leprosy and venereal diseases,
so they just like, later people onto that island, did
they really?

Speaker 2 (01:06:54):
Yeah, so you get you get some venereal disease, and
then yeah, it's a good So like goes to stay
here and tell you're, oh, in the same room with
all the other people with venarial diseases.

Speaker 1 (01:07:04):
Yeah, that sounds kind of a party. I mean, those
are the people that party. Yeah. A lot of great
personalities in that room. I bet. I mean, I'm sure. Okay.
With her force confinement Mary Mallan, everyone the media goes
fucking nuts because this woman has been spreading this disease
and killing people with it. So Minia goes nuts. Eventually,

(01:07:26):
in nineteen oh eight in the Journal of American Medical Association,
she is nicknamed typhoid Mary. That's where she gets her name.

Speaker 2 (01:07:33):
So the professionals really they yeah, they were doing top
notch journalism, right, job everybody.

Speaker 1 (01:07:42):
So it turns out Mary Mallin is immune to the
disease herself. She's the first person in the United States
identified as an asymptomatic carrier of the pathogen, which is
pretty fucking cool. Well in custody, Mary mallan typhoid Mary,
let's call her, admits to poor hygiene. She's like, yeah,
what a motherfuckers?

Speaker 2 (01:08:00):
Oh say irish Ah, I can't say that's all you
just say, who cares Jesus Mary and Joseph those other
things to worry about exactly those people starving in my country.

Speaker 1 (01:08:18):
She said she did not understand the purpose of hand
washing because she did not pose a risk. Girl, you're
the cook. You're the cook. You pose a risk. It
doesn't matter how healthy you are. They authorities are like,
let's get rid of your gall bladder because that's where
they believe the typhoid bacteria resided in. And she was
like fuck, no, fuck you, I don't even have the disease.

(01:08:41):
And she wasn't willing to cease working as a cook too,
so like, we'll let you go, just don't work as
a cook, and she's like nope, I no, won't wash
my hands. Go fuck yourself.

Speaker 2 (01:08:49):
Fight fight fight, fight, fight, Harry fight. We're so angry,
it doesn't make sense. Irish women. Irish women fight, fight, fight,
And then a herky purkey she uh is.

Speaker 1 (01:09:04):
Forced to give one hundred and sixty three samples of
various bodily substances to the doctors there, one hundred and
twenty of which tested positive for the bacteria she was
teeming with this disease to the hilt to the guilt,
to the guilt, to the gills. So Mary stays there
for three years until test results from a private laboratory. Yes,

(01:09:26):
I said that came up negative for typhoid. And with
this information, in nineteen oh nine, Mary sues the health
department for her freedom. But everyone's like, where'd she get
the money to sue the health department? And then it's
like a secret thing that maybe William Randolph Hurs was like, well,
giving the money if you give me like an interview,
so like he was like springing people, so genius, yeah,

(01:09:46):
so smart. But the New York Supreme Court's like, go
fuck yourself.

Speaker 2 (01:09:49):
No.

Speaker 1 (01:09:50):
But then in nineteen ten there's a new health commissioner.
He lets her go if she promises never to work
as a cook again. And she's like Okay, great, She's
like fine. I didn't like that much anyway. Yeah, So
in February of nineteen ten, Mary agreed that she was
quote prepared to change her occupation and would give assurance

(01:10:10):
by Affi David that she would, upon her release, take
such hygienic precautions as would protect those with whom she
came in contact from infection. I meaning, wash her fucking hands.
I'll wash my fucking hands.

Speaker 2 (01:10:22):
No, I just I felt like I wanted to defend.
But there's it's indefensible. Go ahead, Nike.

Speaker 1 (01:10:28):
Some people don't think. Some people think that her being
locked up is indefensible. No, she killed a ton of
people because she refused to watch.

Speaker 2 (01:10:36):
She wouldn't It's like she wouldn't give in anything where
it's like, okay, well, if you're the cook, you have.

Speaker 1 (01:10:42):
To admit handwashing is kind of key.

Speaker 2 (01:10:44):
I realized it was. That was kind of a new
idea back then. But still, well, the thing is.

Speaker 1 (01:10:49):
So she thought they were all out to get her
and all this shit. You're like, decades later, they're like, well,
if she had typhoid her whole life, maybe it fucked
her brain up a little bit and she was paranoid
and crazy. Ooh yeah, but wait, it gets worse. Okay, okay,
so they let her out, they lose track of her. Goodbye,
bad idea. Cut to five years later, in nineteen fifteen,

(01:11:11):
a typhoid outbreak happens at Manhattan's Sloan Maternity Hospital, struck
twenty five workers and killed two of those workers. When Soaper,
our friend, George Soaper, is back, he looks into the
outbreak and he's like, this looks fucking familiar. Oh no.
She traces it back to the cook, who's an irishwoman
named Mary Brown. This time she changed her name. She

(01:11:33):
sounded a good man. Nope, she changed her name so
she could become a cook. Like she was doing it.
Now she's responsible for it. Ack, you know what I mean? Yeah,
now it's criminal. I think it's Mary mallin blah blah.
It turns out she changed her name and during her
years of release, she had cooked in hotels, restaurants and institutions. Wow,

(01:11:56):
so she was like, she'd gone to they'd given her
a job as a laundress. Make no fucking money. It's
really hard work. Doesn't smell good, doesn't smell good. She
was like, fuck the shit and went to cook. Wherever
she worked, there were outbreaks of typhoid. However, she changed
jobs so frequently so she had eluded the blame. She's
captured and again confined a North Brother Island, where she
continued to refuse to acknowledge that she had any connection

(01:12:19):
between herself and the typhoid cases. Well, at that.

Speaker 2 (01:12:23):
Point, it's so stacked up against her, yeah, that she
might as well just do that, because she's so guilty
that the second she breaks, it's over.

Speaker 1 (01:12:32):
Yeah, exactly. So after the second, the second apprehension, she
spends the next twenty three years of her life as
a prisoner in forest isolation. Hundreds, if not thousands, of
asymptomatic carriers who had been identified, were allowed to walk
the streets of New York Freeley, but Typhoid Mary lived
alone in exile, partly do because the public were fucking

(01:12:55):
pissed at her, because she wouldn't stay on the kitchen,
like if she had just not gone back to cooking.

Speaker 2 (01:12:59):
Yes, that second time around, exactly, she I mean I didn't.
It's sad that she lived in isolation. Yeah, but you,
why are you being so stubborn?

Speaker 1 (01:13:09):
Yeah, calm down.

Speaker 2 (01:13:11):
Karen, Oh, oh, Karen's just my face just starts to
fall apart.

Speaker 1 (01:13:18):
I don't want to do it. It just comes out
with me. Your typhoid tears just started running out. The
thing so bad, stay at the kitchen. On November eleventh,
nineteen thirty eight, Mary Mallan dies of pneumonia at age
sixty nine, still in captivity. An autopsy found evidence of

(01:13:39):
live toyfoid typhoid bacteria and her gallbladder. So they were right, Yeah,
they were right. Her bodies cremated and her ashes were
buried at Saint Raymond's cemetery in the Bronx. So, Mary Mallan,
it's thought that she infected fifty one people and three
of those illnesses resulted in death, and that's base on

(01:14:01):
George Soper's you know, looking into it. But she used
so many aliases that it's thought that the true death
toll could have been way fucking higher. Some estimated that
she had made have caused fifty fatalities, which I just
saw that in a random article, so I don't know
if that's even true. Historians say she cantaminated at least
one hundred and twenty two people and killed five, which

(01:14:21):
sounds a little more likely so crazy though, Yeah So.
Throughout the twentieth century, typhoid fever steadily declines due to
introduction of vaccinations and improvements in public sanitation and hygienes
aka wash her fucking hands, and today typhoid fever is
considered a rare condition among developed Countries' raid is approximately

(01:14:43):
five cases per million per year. As her fucking Brother
Island and Riverside Hospital, real quick, this fucking island of
disease off the Manhattan sounds amazing, sounds amazing. The island
has been abandoned since nineteen sixty three, after it was
a detention. It has lasted attention facility for juvenile drug
offenders in nineteen sixty three. How badly do you wish

(01:15:05):
you could go and just sit on the wall and
like stare at people there.

Speaker 2 (01:15:07):
Are you know, there's some black light posters in that
building that.

Speaker 1 (01:15:10):
You know, there's some people out there who have stories of.

Speaker 2 (01:15:13):
Like they were like, yeah, because you know my mom
working in the mental she worked at a hospital called
Langley Porter in San Francisco.

Speaker 1 (01:15:21):
Huh, it's up on the hill.

Speaker 2 (01:15:22):
Yeah, And and people in the sixties used to send
their kids they got caught smoking pot one time, they
sent their kids to the mental hospital christ So she
said there were in the like mental late sixties, all
these kids. There was like an influx of kids are
like they're incorrigible in their drug addicts where they had

(01:15:43):
only done like smoked one joint or just like.

Speaker 1 (01:15:46):
We're saying no to things exactly. It was like they
were housed with people who are legitimately in need of
mental mental health health issues. And I'm sure those kids
were like, well, I'm never doing anything bad again.

Speaker 2 (01:15:58):
Yes, the shit that they saw like yeah, yeah, or
they were like I don't know. She just said it
was really sad and bummed her out a lot. It's
clearly complicated. Yeah, so these kids got sent there in
nineteen sixty three. Finally it closed. It's now uninhabited and
designated as a bird sanctuary. But wait, it's illegal for
anyone to go on the island without permission from the city.

(01:16:21):
All the buildings, though, still fucking stand, and these photographers
sometimes go on there and take photos and you can
see a bunch of the photos. We should put them
up on Instagram of these gorgeous like brick buildings that
are falling into disrepair and you can see the rooms
where Mary Mallin was fucking housed, and you can see
the typhoid a wing, and you can see the fucking crematorium,
and it's like, it's insanely gorgeous. I am asking any

(01:16:44):
murderino who works for the City of Manhattan.

Speaker 1 (01:16:47):
Please let me and Karen come see the fucking island.

Speaker 2 (01:16:51):
Come and get a disease of our own for ourselves.

Speaker 1 (01:16:54):
And since it's like under you know under Watch, and
you it's really hard to get on there. Everything is
still there, so like people haven't graffiti and people haven't
stolen ship from the island. That's amazing. You need to
see the photos. Everything is covered in wildlife. It's gorgeous. Oh,
I want to see that. It's amazing.

Speaker 2 (01:17:13):
It sounds like the island they threatened to send or
that they promised to send doctor Lector to in Silence
of Lambs. That ends up to be that they were
like fakesies. When she recites that thing, you are allowed
to walk on the beach every day.

Speaker 1 (01:17:27):
Whatever, I want to read that. It's so good. Do
it again. You will be allowed one you will be.

Speaker 2 (01:17:34):
Allowed one walk one day a year. Well, you can
walk freely on the beach with armed guards or whatever.

Speaker 1 (01:17:42):
Snipers. Oh, I don't know. I don't knows fake either.

Speaker 2 (01:17:46):
I know my friend, my friend Amy, who you met
when we were in uh Wisconsin.

Speaker 1 (01:17:55):
Huh.

Speaker 2 (01:17:55):
She she has sounds lams memorized. I've watched it with
her and she'll just say the line real quick before.
It's my favorite thing in the world.

Speaker 1 (01:18:04):
I love it. You will be allowed to walk. She'd
be able to do that speech right off the dump.
It's so good. I love all these dumbs. Okay, it's
a legal bobbody blah. But you could still see the building,
the room where Typhoid Mary spent the last twenty three
years of her life. What was she doing there?

Speaker 2 (01:18:23):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (01:18:23):
Man, she was bummed. But it's just like there's varying
accounts where it's like some say she was like actually
helping out there and like a maid, and some say
that she was just like in seclusion and they abandoned
her and used her as like a look at Typhoid Mary,
you know when people would come to the island. Yeah,
that kind of thing. So you don't really know. I
hope there was a fox terrier. I don't know. Yeah,

(01:18:44):
And then I also want to mention. There's a podcast
if you're into this shit that like I am. There's
a podcast that's kind of new. It's hosted by two
these two young ladies who are grad students in disease ecology. Oh,
it's called this podcast will You And it's just about
infectious diseases from history, and every episode is that. And

(01:19:05):
these these two girls are named they're both named Aaron
are like, it's just an awesome podcast. This podcast great. Yeah,
so this podcast will kill you love it.

Speaker 2 (01:19:15):
I like to imagine that typhoid Mary sat in seclusion
in her room on that island and fantasize of all
the different things she'd like to put her hand in.
Then like she'd be like corn chowder or whatever, and
then just like mashed potatoes, and then both fantasies just
like both bare arms go all the way in.

Speaker 1 (01:19:35):
And like she cleans her fingernails in the chowder. Yes,
I wonder if she like requested like cooking magazines and
like red recipes and was like stick stick your arm completely,
and she'd be like this looks good, but you know
what needs my arm, my arm, my fingernail clippings. And
it's not funny people it's disgusting. It's terrible. But isn't

(01:19:58):
that amazing.

Speaker 2 (01:19:59):
It's a incredible Also, the idea this, did you watch
The Nick when it was on?

Speaker 1 (01:20:04):
Yeah, and they have an uh there's an episode involving her.
I watched the little the little scene where they they
and yes.

Speaker 2 (01:20:12):
Where they confront her. Yeah, it's that was such a
good show. And they did that around were she was great.
But they did that where they would take those things
out of history and be like this is what where
you don't have any sense, like things before modern medicine
and modern stuff. It's just the weirdest idea where they'd
be like somebody coming in they'd be like, welp, we

(01:20:33):
tried to stick a tube in their arm and.

Speaker 1 (01:20:34):
Then they died like the end. Or it's just it
was so crazy precarious. The Nick is such a great show.
I love that show. Yeah, if you're into that kind
of thing, you should definitely watch it. It was great.

Speaker 2 (01:20:45):
Also, if you've ever taken cocaine to the point where
it was a problem for you, I warn sugar warning
huge cocaine trigger warning for.

Speaker 1 (01:20:53):
The nick opium too. You're like, I could be a
doctor in New Coke all the time. No, maybe you're
in opium duns too. Trigger warning.

Speaker 2 (01:21:03):
You love to lay back with a bunch of people
dressed in a traditional Chinese.

Speaker 1 (01:21:08):
Garb, Yeah, then this will be hard for you to
get through. It's gonna make you not But if you
love surgery without gloves or anesthesia, this is a show
for you. What a show? Or Clive Owen, right, that
was great, thank you? That was fun. I love to learn.
I loved I loved teaching. I love saying words wrong.
I loved. I love to learn. I love to lie.

(01:21:32):
I love to make up new words. I love to
just have fun with it. Just say ship that. And
you know, don't have any uh proclinsity for caring.

Speaker 2 (01:21:41):
I mean I have a real proclensity to just say
what I want, and I think we all do. There's
a freedom in that, in these proclensities we all have.

Speaker 1 (01:21:50):
In this preclensiest time, there's a freedom. It's so. The
funniest thing about Typhoid Murray.

Speaker 2 (01:21:56):
Is she she had a real problem with cunsiliness.

Speaker 1 (01:22:01):
Shit, No, I love it. It was a fucking valiant effort.

Speaker 2 (01:22:06):
I tried, but you could see me, You can see
me making that U turn for miles away.

Speaker 1 (01:22:10):
Would you have made that attempt two years ago before
this podcast? Absolutely no, not at all.

Speaker 2 (01:22:15):
So I real bias against puns, as you know, and
so I applaud you, and uh no, I think it's
the effect that that you have on my life.

Speaker 1 (01:22:23):
I'm making you stupider. You're breaking down those pun walls.
I am stupidering you hard, you know, real hard. Uh.
What just makes you happy?

Speaker 2 (01:22:37):
Let's see falling down and snapping my ankle loudly in
front of my neighbors.

Speaker 1 (01:22:42):
Oh no, I kind of have one, Yeah, go ahead, Okay.
The thing that makes me happy this week is this
book that I'm listening to, thank you audible. Uh. It's
sci fi fantasy, and it's one of those books that
makes me that someone thought of this narrative and thought
of this like, uh, you know idea makes me happy

(01:23:03):
that humans, that certain humans exist, you know, it's like
so fucking joyous that like people can think of these
things and write these books. And it's gorgeous and I
love it. It's called The Child it's called Children of
Time by Adrian Tchaikovsky, and it's sci fi fantasy. The
book is really fun to listen to. It's fucking weird shit.
It's like posthuman space stuff with their spiders. I've never

(01:23:27):
in my life thought I would ever have sympathy to spiders,
but I do. It's like such a good book and
it's making me really happy to exist then a lot
of like they're the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, you know,
like that that's the last book that's done that for me,
which has made me like so happy that Douglas Adams existed.
And it's like your big theories and thoughts and feelings. Yeah,

(01:23:51):
I'm like, wow, someone thought of that. Our brains are
bigger than you know, in these Preclensiss times where everything
feels kind of proclemsed right, and I know I'm not
going to write that fucking book, so I appreciate that
Adrian Chaikovsky has. Yeah, so I really sat down and
put it out. Yeah, so that's making me happy. I agreed. Agreed.

(01:24:11):
What's yours? Okay? Mine is?

Speaker 2 (01:24:13):
This is This was a tweet that I received two
days ago. You did too, from a woman named Molly
on uh hold on, oh sorry, Haunted train.

Speaker 1 (01:24:25):
That's so fucking woud.

Speaker 2 (01:24:32):
It's me Chernick on Twitter, and she wrote to us
and said, don't be alarmed if there's a body down
there in quotes, and then that the headline of the
article that she sent it, so sent us says, sinkhole
reveals hidden room below family's garage. And then there's a
picture of shelving that they can see through the hole,

(01:24:52):
and on the shelf there's toys, but it's also all
dark and creepy, and it's like this article. So it
happened in Idaho Falls, Idaho. This family apparently when they like,
there's like an inch of cements and then the sinkhole happened.

(01:25:13):
And basically there had been a hidden room underneath their
house and it's in a place where they's normally not sellers.
So they're like, they think it's possible that could have
been like a bomb shelter, but probably not. And a
bunch of stuff that's down there has been down there
for like forty.

Speaker 1 (01:25:33):
Or fifty years. That is how I couldn't find how
long it was. It's like forty to fifty years. I
don't think that they were like letters and shit, Yes,
but they thought's the crazy. Let me see if I
can get a year.

Speaker 2 (01:25:44):
They Oh, the home was built in the fifties and
it was built as a basement home. Then someone came
in the seventies and remodeled it and added the second story.

Speaker 1 (01:25:54):
So I've been in the seventies. Someone put it down there.

Speaker 2 (01:25:57):
Yeah, but they say it's definitely not a bomb shelter
and that it's sketchy. And the insurance provider and the
engineer are the ones that said, don't be alarmed if
you find a body down there.

Speaker 1 (01:26:11):
That's amazing. Don't be alarmed.

Speaker 2 (01:26:15):
Yeah, find a body because they're basically going down there
and looking through it. It's it's just like that picture
of the old kind of water, moldy letters and stuff.
It's just the creepiest story of all times. So I'm
very as I think, you know, but I'm not sure
if everybody knows. But I'm obsessed with sinkholes. Sinkholes are

(01:26:38):
truly my passion. Anytime. I was never more livid. Remember
the sinkhole that came up off of Laurel Canyon. I
was up in Pedalumma and I saw it on the news,
and I was livid because.

Speaker 1 (01:26:52):
You couldn't go meet it in person. Yeah, I would
have eaten great. I would have walked right down there.
I would have paid top dollar for that meet and great.
I been like, Hi, where did you come from? What's
your deal? What's happening down there?

Speaker 2 (01:27:03):
Is it a are you a hidden river or are
you something entirely different? So amazing, Yeah, sinkhole and hidden room?

Speaker 1 (01:27:11):
Come on, my favorite sinkhole. That's amazing. There's for you.
It's a sinkhole and a hidden room.

Speaker 2 (01:27:18):
And because the best part about usually sinkholes fill back
up with water, because that's why they're there in the
first place. Is like the water table got too close,
bloody block got you. It's made up, but but it's
a water involved you know, that's why. Sure, it's erosion,
but it's underneath. Okay, anyhow, there's no water in this

(01:27:39):
in that cellar. It's like they can go down and
look into it. I know, it's not like it got
flooded immediately or filled a silt.

Speaker 1 (01:27:46):
No, I want to go.

Speaker 2 (01:27:48):
I want to go down there.

Speaker 1 (01:27:49):
Let's go. It's like an amusement park. Let's go.

Speaker 2 (01:27:51):
Idaho is not that far away.

Speaker 1 (01:27:55):
Thanks for listening, everyone.

Speaker 2 (01:27:56):
Yeah, that was a fun one that there's all kinds
of crazy easy shit in that one.

Speaker 1 (01:28:01):
Take it, run with it. Do your thing thing, do
a fucking hurky hurk at the end of.

Speaker 2 (01:28:07):
It, do a hurky. I'm if it's please. If you're
going to correct me on the hurcy positioning.

Speaker 1 (01:28:12):
Don't do it. Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:28:14):
You have to be a professional cheerleader. That's I'll only
take emails from professional cheerlead.

Speaker 1 (01:28:18):
And you have to send a video of you doing
a hurk.

Speaker 2 (01:28:21):
We need the correct hurk, and then we'll play the
audio of the visual of the video.

Speaker 1 (01:28:26):
Then breaking your bag. Hurky, hurky. Thanks for listening. Friends,
stay sexy and don't get murdered. Goodbye, bye Elvis. Do
you want a cookie?

Speaker 2 (01:28:39):
Well?

Speaker 1 (01:28:39):
Cookie? Oh the little one.