Rewind with Karen & Georgia - Episode 38: Sidebar Nation - My Favorite Murder with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark

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Speaker 1 (00:06):
Nay, Hello, and welcome to Rewind with Karen and Georgia.

Speaker 2 (00:19):
To Rewind, it's Wednesday, and that means we're recapping one
of our old episodes with all new commentary, with case updates,
perhaps some vision on our past and some lessons for
the future.

Speaker 1 (00:31):
Hey, today we're rewinding to episode thirty eight, which we
named Sidebar Nation.

Speaker 2 (00:37):
So please listen now as we take you back to
October thirteenth, twenty sixteen. You remember you went as Harley
Quinn for Halloween.

Speaker 1 (00:44):
Mac you looked great.

Speaker 2 (00:46):
Oh that's so cute and scary.

Speaker 1 (00:48):
So scary. Let's listen to the intro of episode thirty eight. Hey, Stephen,
do you want to turn off the that thing? I
just realized it was loud?

Speaker 3 (01:00):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:01):
Oh my gosh, it's breaking down. We're keeping this in right,
Oh dear, you just turned it higher. You lost your
fucking mime? All right, right, everybody, here we go.

Speaker 2 (01:12):
Welcome to my favorite Murder episode thirty eight. I Feel
a hurricane episode.

Speaker 1 (01:20):
Hi, Hi, we have Stephen back. Stephen was gone last week, Steven,
welcome back.

Speaker 4 (01:27):
Thank you.

Speaker 3 (01:27):
Thanks for watching my cats while I was out of town.

Speaker 4 (01:30):
They kept me busy, but I love them.

Speaker 2 (01:31):
Yes, save it for the cat podcast for casts everyone.

Speaker 1 (01:37):
I have a story to tell about being on a
town speaking of Oh this is my favorite murder by
the way, did we say that far?

Speaker 3 (01:42):
I don't know. You're Karen, I'm Georgia.

Speaker 2 (01:44):
That's right, that's right. I mean we're back in our
normal seats, which to me makes all the difference.

Speaker 1 (01:49):
You came in tonight and like sat in my seat
and then I was like, are we gonna We're not
doing this right?

Speaker 3 (01:55):
And I was like, no, yeah, no, absolutely not.

Speaker 2 (01:57):
So wait Georgia went to San Francisco for Was it
for unique sweet?

Speaker 3 (02:02):
No, it's just for like a real life, normal trip
of it.

Speaker 2 (02:06):
Yeah, Oh my god, how was it so jelly on
your Argentina? Right now? This goddamn town so bad? Oh
it was nice? Can I tell you honestly, yes, I
like staying home. You do a lot like as a
staycation as opposed to going somewhere for the vacation.

Speaker 3 (02:23):
I'm not Yeah, I like being home.

Speaker 1 (02:27):
I hear you.

Speaker 5 (02:27):
You know.

Speaker 1 (02:27):
I like that excuse to like eat and drink whatever
i want when I'm out of town. But like, I
also like hanging out of home. Did you guys drive
or fly, they flew. I feel like at this point
in my life, I'm guess i'd like gotten to this
place where like, I'm not going to fly to San Francisco.
I'm not going to fly to Vegas. I'm in a
valet park most most of the time. You mean drive, right,
you were saying fly, Yes, that's what I mean. You're

(02:48):
you're gonna do the most convenient thing because you're an adult.
I'm gonna like that to me was like when I
realized that I could now afford valet parking and like
not even not I could afford it for a long time,
but I was like, fuck you, I'm not paying, you know,
like to like pay you to eat at your place.

Speaker 2 (03:03):
But that's not it. It's you're paying for the convenience
of pulling up and walking away from your car.

Speaker 1 (03:08):
And not being in a dangerous neighborhood walking down the
street right anyways, Uh yeah, San Francisco. And then I'm
walking down Hate Street, that great street, that great street
Hate with Vince during the day. We're like doing touristy things,
and I hear someone scream at me from a moving
car and I go to Vince, what was that?

Speaker 3 (03:29):
He said?

Speaker 1 (03:30):
She said my favorite.

Speaker 2 (03:31):
Murder what yes, as she drove by.

Speaker 1 (03:38):
Know, I lost my mind and I went, I like
waved my hands in the like I went, I totally
like lost my mind.

Speaker 2 (03:48):
That's awesome.

Speaker 1 (03:49):
I know I didn't play it cool when I wasn't
being cool because it was.

Speaker 2 (03:51):
Like cools for fools. Care.

Speaker 1 (03:56):
Yeah, it was exciting.

Speaker 2 (03:58):
Oh my god, I'm smiling so much. First of all,
I used to live. Were you in the Upper Height
where like all the shops.

Speaker 3 (04:02):
Are We were in the Upper Hay.

Speaker 2 (04:03):
Yeah, yeah, that's where. That's my old neighborhood from when
I used to live there before the dot com boom,
when you could live in the Upper Height.

Speaker 3 (04:09):
As a young poor person. Dangerous there it was.

Speaker 2 (04:12):
It wasn't back well you know what though that back
then I craved dangerous. Yeah, I get it. I lived
in Koreatown for a little while. Yeah you know. Uh,
so that it's like even more touching. I just love that.
But I think also that's I love that someone recognized
you from like it must have. It had to have
been a block away.

Speaker 1 (04:30):
Yeah, well they were driving by, and it's like, okay,
I mean Vince is like a tall dude with like
blonde shaved head and like always wears a flannel and
I'm like a short, you know, Like, and I had
been posting on my Instagram that I was in town.
Oh I like probably were like knew that I was.
There's a follower, there's this person, but it still was
like and I didn't get it at first.

Speaker 3 (04:50):
And then I was like what, yeah, what Vince? What'd
you say?

Speaker 2 (04:52):
She's like rememurder but they're like get out of town.
N oh wait, yeah.

Speaker 3 (04:59):
That's I was a much to how fuck you? And
I realized it was a good thing.

Speaker 2 (05:03):
You go kick their bumper. Georgia Waite, I love that.
I went to see Jimmy Pardo and Matt bell Knapp
have of course the very famous podcast Never Not Funny,
and our friend April Richardson was on it the other night,
so I went with her because we're two old crones
that go everywhere together, and because she was the guest

(05:25):
and it was over at Flappers and during the show,
Jimmy referenced to me and did it in his very
Jimmy Parter way of going, oh, sure, start a podcast
and then you're number one, we've been here for ten
years whatever, which is the highest compliment from a comedian.

Speaker 1 (05:43):
Like putting you down by complimenting you by putting you
down exactly.

Speaker 2 (05:47):
That's the only way they can do it. Today. It's
very hard for us as stand up comedians to really
express ourselves. But it was a lovely shout out, really
is what it was. And afterwards, when we went to leave,
two different girls came up and were like, I'm a
murder reno. It's the funniest thing when people say it
that way too, like I'm mmerts it's me, I'm a

(06:08):
mur reno, just like, Hi, oh, that's really fun.

Speaker 1 (06:11):
There's another girl who messed it, who like put a
message on my Instagram photo and was like, I saw
you on the bart train in San Francisco and I
recognized you and I looked at her photo and.

Speaker 3 (06:21):
I was like, oh my god.

Speaker 1 (06:22):
I was She's like I was too scared to say anything,
and I was like, I was staring at you because
your hair was so cute. Why what was her hair like?
Her hair was like a pixie cut, and I was
looking at her being like, fuck, I wish I could
pull that off. That girl pulls it off really well.
What pixie like a boy a boy cut? Like like
tinker Bell. Yeah, Tinkerbill has a bun. Oh shit, I'm
thinking tinker Bell from Hook.

Speaker 2 (06:44):
Oh. Julia rob in the nineties, Julie roberts in a wig.
I've always wanted that hair too.

Speaker 3 (06:53):
Well, Like Julie Robertson in a wig, shelicked a door.

Speaker 2 (06:56):
She was rocking boy hair. Yeah, you have to be
so pretty to be to pull off that hair.

Speaker 1 (07:01):
Yeah. I was like, fuck shit, and I've done I've
done that hair and been like, oh my god, what
did I do?

Speaker 2 (07:05):
Dude? In high school, I did the ghost haircut.

Speaker 3 (07:08):
It's the ghost haircut.

Speaker 2 (07:09):
It's a bowl cut. It's like a it's a big
round Demi Moore and ghost bowl cut.

Speaker 3 (07:15):
Did you go in and be like, give me the Ghost?

Speaker 2 (07:17):
I think it may have been before Ghost no Bragg,
and I know that I had also sunned my hair,
so I basically had orange hair in a bowl cut.
I looked like I had. It was kind of like
as if I was trying to look like a Japanese
rock star. Is what I look like but not, but
then everything else male Japanese rock star. It was like, basically,
what are you doing? Is what?

Speaker 1 (07:38):
Is what I looked like? I mean, we have so
many throwback Thursday photos that just horror. Never see the light, horrify.

Speaker 3 (07:46):
No.

Speaker 2 (07:47):
Last week on the show I work on, it was
my episode and in the middle of it the director
of the episode, who is this super badass Peter Atensio
who directed Keanu the can Peel movie? Who am all
of Camp Pee, all of can Peel? He's done a
ton of shit. I think he did The Last Man
on Earth. Yeah, he's done a bunch of stuff. He's

(08:07):
the shit right now. He walks up to me and goes,
you know my friend Georgia, and I was like, what
is happening? And he directed your Nuggetini video.

Speaker 3 (08:15):
He did that.

Speaker 1 (08:16):
We were just friends with him, and he was like, hey,
I'll do this like for like for free as a.

Speaker 3 (08:20):
Friend did that in my grandma's kitchen.

Speaker 1 (08:23):
And then from that we got a web series with
Cooking Channel and he directed those two and like.

Speaker 2 (08:28):
No way, he's just like a buddy of ours. That's
so awesome. And now he's like this huge Now he's
the shit. And everybody on my episode, which was very involved,
and like.

Speaker 3 (08:37):
Should we plug the show early?

Speaker 2 (08:39):
I don't think we can't. I mean, like I don't. Yeah,
and I think we should wait until I always think
I'm going to get so I get it. I want
to sue people, and I want to get to But
that was an awesome connection. And then I told you
this already, but I won't tell other people. While I
was leaving. Is that kind of thing where this is
like a real TV show I've worked on. Obviously I
worked in TV while, but this is like an exciting

(09:01):
show that I really love and believe in and think
is great. And it feels like other people that are
working on it feel that way too, which is normally
when you work with crew people and stuff, they're all
like checking their watch, like I need to get out
of here. But everybody in this whole crew is so good.
They're really good at what they do. It's amazing to watch.
These are obviously kind of a list or people in

(09:22):
all these different departments. And when we went to leave,
everyone was kind of thanking each other saying goodbye or whatever,
and it was like, you know, midnight on Friday. It sucked.
So I went to leave and then I as I
saw the prop master, so I went to say thank
you to him, and as we were shaking hands, he
was like, great to work with you, and then he goes,
don't get murdered and walked away. Can tell me I

(09:42):
didn't know. I thought I called you. Oh yeah, I
didn't know.

Speaker 1 (09:48):
Shit, maybe it was my sister.

Speaker 3 (09:51):
That's where I become.

Speaker 2 (09:53):
I'm kind of losing my mind right now. I'm so
fucking tired. I'm so tired. I feel like I have
fifty emails and I'm not doing I feel like I'm
I have nineteen plates spinning, I'm dropping all of them.

Speaker 3 (10:05):
Everything's still everything's working out. I know. Like the other
day we were like both freaking out.

Speaker 1 (10:10):
Of it, like social media on this and it's like, well,
it's not it's not gonna implode if we don't retweet
someone's Everything's okay. You're getting you're on your job and
you're doing your big job. Yes, everything else is still
working out.

Speaker 2 (10:24):
We're okay, right, We're fine, Like we're good. This is
like anxiety like at work. Yes, well, it's just a lot.
I mean it's just look, no complaints. That's the worst
thing in the world to complain about. But anyway, but
it's it's nice. There's some fun things happening. I guess
that the fun thing about that story is I'm sitting
there going like, oh, everyone's so awesome or whatever, and

(10:45):
then like when someone comes up, Yeah, it's such an
intimate thing.

Speaker 3 (10:48):
Yeah, d thing, I'm good.

Speaker 2 (10:53):
What if I just immediately I started asking him for
compliments the second after he told me not to get.

Speaker 1 (10:57):
You sound like me. Oh, we sold out the Chicago
Podcast Festival show that we're sailing Chicago, check CA, go
check cat. I don't know how I can think. I
don't know, nine hundred fifty people, is it? That's too
many people? Yeah, we gotta let's cut that in half
for sure. Okay, they'll call the guy tomorrow. You can
put that wall up.

Speaker 3 (11:17):
What's you know?

Speaker 2 (11:18):
Like, yeah, we'll hang the improv curtains. Like only half
the room sold out. We just we'll bring our own big,
huge black curtain.

Speaker 1 (11:25):
But they'll be the rest of the people will be
behind that curtain. We just we can't see though. Yeah,
I'm trying. Your sister's coming, I'm trying to bring my mom.

Speaker 2 (11:32):
We're It's so exciting because my these are the people
that never paid attention to anything I did until I
was about twenty.

Speaker 1 (11:41):
Seven, and now you're a big deal and all of.

Speaker 2 (11:43):
A sudden, but I think Adrian and Audrey were the
first who started. And these are basically our childhood friends.
Get from way back, Pedaloma, Pedaloma, hardcore, what's up? And
we have a we have a text thread that's been
going for like a year where we're just constantly sent
each other terrible cat photos and whatever.

Speaker 3 (12:04):
Remind me to send you the rock and roll ALF gift.

Speaker 1 (12:07):
Rock and roll Alf. Okay, sorry, go on.

Speaker 2 (12:10):
Oh, someone at work mentioned the other day do you
know Elf ended with him being taken away by the government.
Is that the truth?

Speaker 1 (12:16):
There was someone you're giving a nod from Dustin? I mean,
is it true?

Speaker 3 (12:23):
Same thing?

Speaker 4 (12:23):
It's very true.

Speaker 3 (12:24):
You're young enough to like have absorbed that.

Speaker 4 (12:28):
Somebody talked about it recently.

Speaker 2 (12:29):
You briefly run it down. How is that?

Speaker 1 (12:31):
How?

Speaker 4 (12:33):
I don't know. I just heard that that's how it ended.
So somebody's lying to me, and you.

Speaker 1 (12:37):
Can I be honest. That motherfucker ate cats. So I
don't give a shit what happened. Okay, fuck Olf?

Speaker 2 (12:43):
Maybe it was cats dressed up in government clothes. Oh,
this is fan fiction.

Speaker 1 (12:49):
You have to write where were we? Oh you'r shisterio. Friends,
they're gonna Oh.

Speaker 2 (12:54):
So then in this text they I one of them
said you're going to go to the Chicago to do
your podcast, and I was like yeah.

Speaker 1 (13:01):
Oh.

Speaker 2 (13:02):
They were mad that they didn't. They weren't here for
our first whole.

Speaker 1 (13:05):
Because they even bite my mom, even those down the street.

Speaker 3 (13:07):
From her house. And now I'm like, I'm gonna fly
her to Chicago.

Speaker 2 (13:11):
You're gonna do a little makeup work. Yeah, but anyway,
they got excited and then they're like, we could go,
we can afford to go, we can fly out. And
then they basically made the plans on the text read
and I was just laying on my couch like all
bitchy and tired and like it was of course ten
o'clock at night, and I was like, I don't want
to take my muscar off. And then my sister and

(13:32):
my old friends just start making this plan in front
of me to come and be there for when we
do Chicago. We're gonna cry. It made me cry at
the time, and then I was like, you guys, I'm crying,
and they just didn't even pay attention.

Speaker 3 (13:43):
They were such a hard ass. You cry so easily,
I will.

Speaker 2 (13:47):
Well, especially these days like the other day, I had
a brief passing thought in the room, and then I
pretend I had to pretend to sneeze so that you
would understand why my eyes were the way they were.

Speaker 3 (13:58):
You're the most hard ass, and then you just can
lose it.

Speaker 2 (14:01):
That's how it always is, if you if someone's a
real hard us, they're the biggest softy, right, that makes sense.
We have to put our duke's way up because we
have we're like the a prickly pair with the gooey center.

Speaker 3 (14:13):
Oh that sounds I'm hungry.

Speaker 2 (14:18):
You just bite into a prickly pair. Why is this gooey? Okay,
I have a thank you. We have a several thank you.

Speaker 1 (14:24):
So at our live show in Los Angeles at the
La Podfast we afterwards like a bunch of people just
like handed us shit and like didn't even want money.

Speaker 2 (14:32):
For it, walked away and did there's no cards, we
don't no names.

Speaker 1 (14:35):
They didn't want anything for it, which is like bananas.

Speaker 2 (14:37):
Oh it's the way to do it.

Speaker 1 (14:38):
Actually, so the respective I agree, like it's legit. Just
add a card because some of it we don't know
who it's from. Yeah, we do want to know your name. Okay,
So this someone just handed me this like these this
gift bag with two cat toys in it that Elvis
and me have fucking lost their shit over.

Speaker 2 (14:56):
Elvis was laying on one of them like a pillow.

Speaker 1 (14:59):
Yeah, there's these little it's ones a goldfish and one's
an elephant, and they're filled with catnip and and it's
it's called Becho Family b e c O and you
can get them at I think it's Little Dear b
e c O Pets b e c O pet dot com.
And there are these like adorable and it looks like

(15:20):
natural and like not bad for you cat toys. And
they've held out, which usually when catnip toys they chewt on,
they fall apart immediately, and they've like fought each other
over them. So thankfully they gave us two. But thank
that's so awesome. They're so sweet. I'm gonna post a
photo of Elvis and me me fighting over them on
on their Instagram.

Speaker 2 (15:39):
And we got the We got mugs from the corner's office.
I like to think the corner brought them him or herself,
but we don't really know.

Speaker 1 (15:49):
I feel like I wish the person had given us
a card. I feel like they probably bought those at
the Museum of Death. Oh yeah, you know what I mean,
they seem like something that you could buy at the
Museum of Death.

Speaker 2 (15:58):
I just like it because in the morning it's a nice,
nice tall mug and then it's a skeleton with us
with a Sherlock Holmes hat on and I think he's
smoking a pipe.

Speaker 1 (16:06):
Mine mine was a chalk out line a body chalk
out line.

Speaker 3 (16:10):
Nice with that on it.

Speaker 2 (16:11):
They're really good quality mugs, so thank you whoever was
the gift giver.

Speaker 1 (16:17):
In that scenario, you could probably bash someone over the
hat with it and it wouldn't even break.

Speaker 2 (16:20):
There might wait, what it might be a little knife
in the bottom. I was trying to riff. Stephen also
showed me his toe bag, which is actually really don't
even seen it. Look at this thing. It's the original
logo and it's my favorite Murder logo tote bag. And
it's like it's good. It's like a book bag. It

(16:42):
reminds me of like my fourth grade book bag. Steven
any comments thoughts on it.

Speaker 4 (16:47):
I mean it holds the gear that records this.

Speaker 3 (16:48):
Podcast Sally shit meta, dude, It's in good hands.

Speaker 1 (16:51):
This is holistic listen, go to the farmer's market with
a shirt with a tote bag that says fuck politeness, yeah,
and tell everyone to fuck off and get some sale berries.

Speaker 3 (17:02):
What are saleberries?

Speaker 2 (17:04):
Well, they'll give you a discount because they love our
bonds like on sale berries. Yeah, I thought there was
a barry. I didn't know about saleberries. You know, they
taste like say it, sail it. I can't, I can't.
I'm so tight Ti.

Speaker 1 (17:22):
Karen freaking a diet ginger at what's happening.

Speaker 2 (17:26):
That's the other thing too, I haven't had anything I
like to eat in six months. So look amazing. You
look miserable and amazing. I'm miserably amazing. Thank you. It's
just so much.

Speaker 1 (17:39):
Also, we're in the la oh whatever. All right, anyways,
let's move on to this. Yeah, there's so much going on.

Speaker 2 (17:44):
Let's take a quick what oh. I was just gonna say, Uh,
somebody was telling my friend Nick, who listens high Nick
Bernstein who listens to us and is a big fan
and as a big podcast person in general kind of
like listens to all of them. He was talking about
I can't remember what he's talking about specifically, but then

(18:06):
I was I just mentioned the skippers and the people
who actually message us to complain. Uh, and I said,
I basically said, there are some people who are just like,
come on, get to the murder. And he could not
stop laughing at that sentence. He's like, that's your poll quote.
That has to be your poll quote. Get to the murder.
And I was like, oh, you know what, You're right,
that's exactly right. Oh my god, Like this is the

(18:28):
pup set up before. This is the podcast. This is
the podcast. To quote Jimmy Pardo, listen or don't, and
we're back.

Speaker 1 (18:40):
I still remember it was the first time I ever
got yelled at stay sexy, like.

Speaker 2 (18:45):
Out of a car. Yeah, in the upper hate.

Speaker 1 (18:47):
Y'all remember it forever, right in front of the McDonald's there.
It was so I remember jumping up and down. It
was so exciting.

Speaker 2 (18:55):
I think the first time anyone recognized me. I was
getting my nails done.

Speaker 1 (18:58):
I remember that.

Speaker 2 (18:59):
It was super quiet, and the girl walked up and
she's like, I'm really sorry, I just I love the
show and ran away and I was like, stuck getting
my nails, and so I was like, bye, Oh my god,
so funny.

Speaker 1 (19:10):
It was so fun. This is the beginning of that time,
which was like the fucking best.

Speaker 2 (19:13):
It was hilarious to us and just like hearing us
have that conversation where we're still just like, this is
what's happening. Can you believe it?

Speaker 1 (19:21):
Yeah? So can you believe nine hundred and fifty seats
that it was actually a lot? I am actually like,
holy shit, like we do more now, or we've done
more in the past, but that is sizable for like
what our second show. Yes, fucking awesome. Yeah, it was
really good.

Speaker 2 (19:35):
Well, we had the numbers and that's all that matters, right,
So if you could please just now that we've listened
to that top of show, okay, can you just give
us the behind the scenes background on the Nuggatini and
really just like a little bit of like where it
came from, where it got you what that kind of
like Internet of virality felt like, just give us an example.

Speaker 1 (19:57):
Okay, Well, yeah, the Mcnuggatini changed my life completely. My
friend Ali Ward and I created it in a bar
because we were going out late every night and we
wanted dinner, drink, and dessert in one cup. We were like,
I don't want to stop for dinner. I want a drink.
I need a drink. I want to dessert, and so
we just and we love McNuggets, and so we created
this ridiculous drink. It's a martini glass. You rim it

(20:19):
in McDonald's barbecue sauce. Yes, you put vodka and chocolate
shake together and pour it into the forward into the
cup and then you garnish it with a McNugget and
so you drink it. You have to get through the
barbecue sauce. You have to drink through the barbecue sauce,
rim to a block shake, and then when you're done,
you swipe the McNugget around the rim. There's a mcnuggatiny

(20:42):
video highly recommend, which was made by Peter Atensio.

Speaker 2 (20:45):
Right.

Speaker 1 (20:45):
It came your director later.

Speaker 2 (20:47):
Director of the episode of TV I did, starring Tim Robinson.

Speaker 1 (20:51):
That's from last episode. That's from last episode. Yeah, so
that that changed my life completely.

Speaker 2 (20:56):
Like, it's so funny because I've heard you talk about
it for a long time. I've actually never watched the video.
I didn't know it was chocolate shake, so I just
was assuming it was a martini with a McNugget in it.

Speaker 1 (21:06):
No, it's dinner, dessert and a cocktail.

Speaker 2 (21:08):
Ow so much grosser than I ever imagined, I know.

Speaker 1 (21:10):
And then Ali and I were on Messenger. I was
at my boring desk job and we both were like, Hey,
did you get a weird message on Facebook from someone
claiming to work for food Network? And like, yeah, like
it's got to be fake, right, Nope. It was someone
being like, do you want to make more cocktail videos?
And my entire fucking life changed.

Speaker 2 (21:28):
You're like, did you stand up from that desk and
walk out? Like without a work computer?

Speaker 1 (21:33):
Kind of? I kind of bailed on that job pretty hard,
pretty soon.

Speaker 2 (21:36):
Yeah. I would hope you would.

Speaker 1 (21:38):
My whole goal was like, Okay, I'm going to try
this and see if I can never have to work
a desk job again. And that's literally all I've been
trying to do for the past fourteen years is just
working hard enough to not have to go back to
a desk job.

Speaker 2 (21:50):
Same that minds the gap. I mean, the music's great,
but I can't go back.

Speaker 1 (21:55):
Oh I feel you. Okay, let's get into our stories.
Here's Karen covering the nineteen eighty more of Sister Margaret
and Paul.

Speaker 5 (22:08):
And what if my eye fell up? It does have
this weird nerve pain in my left eye.

Speaker 1 (22:18):
I'm actually really bummed because one of my like murders
on my future list is the eyeball killer. Like, what
if I did that tonight and it just so happened.

Speaker 2 (22:26):
If that happened, that would be like what was that
Time Life book series where they're like a mother in
Ohio's has pain in her hand at the same time
that her daughters gets stabbed in the hand.

Speaker 1 (22:38):
I loved those. Yeah, what was the one?

Speaker 2 (22:42):
Those were Mysteries of the Unknown or something like that.

Speaker 1 (22:45):
It was definitely that was one of them. It wasn't.
It was like there was that, there was unsolved mysteries.
There was like the like New Generation of Twilight Zone. Yeah,
that was super scary and the movie also in the eighties. Yeah,
they just basically wanted to scar us and scare the
ship out of us and then they end up making
the coolest people. That's right.

Speaker 2 (23:04):
Any generation's really being like a take it. But also
I wish was it called Mysteries of the Unknown. It
was called Time Life book series, Time Life Books Presents.
Come on, we got this that the.

Speaker 1 (23:17):
Paranormal or something you're right about just gonna And there
was also like like tombs that they would open in
Egypt and they like contain things.

Speaker 2 (23:28):
I fucking love egypt tombs. Yeah, I loved.

Speaker 4 (23:34):
Dude.

Speaker 1 (23:35):
Do you know that there's a there's a okay, global
warming is causing uh, these glaciers to mouth yes in
the Alps, Yes, And you know what they're finding underneath them?
What they're finding the bodies of World War One soldiers
that died in a crazy.

Speaker 3 (23:49):
Battle up at the top.

Speaker 1 (23:51):
Yeah that is I love that.

Speaker 3 (23:53):
I know archaeology is like that.

Speaker 2 (24:00):
But also what if that happens and they it's they
start finding stuff that like they didn't know was there.
That's why I thought you were gonna go there the Pyramids,
and so I thought, like those World.

Speaker 1 (24:10):
War one soul just had iPhones. They all have found it. No,
not Mysteries of the Criminal Mind.

Speaker 2 (24:21):
Sn damn it.

Speaker 1 (24:22):
I was going I was going to give your podcast
a shout out, but now you don't deserve the per
cast doesn't deserve it.

Speaker 2 (24:29):
You know what you can do to make up for this?
Buy me this book.

Speaker 1 (24:32):
What is it called?

Speaker 2 (24:33):
It's timeless?

Speaker 4 (24:34):
Well, because I'm like the criminal mind, I think.

Speaker 2 (24:37):
Kindest mysteries of the unknown. I think I might be right.
It had like a I think you're right. The picture
was like a pyramid with lightning or something on the front.

Speaker 3 (24:46):
And then I'll remember all those ones.

Speaker 1 (24:47):
If like you can see like in the dollar bill,
you can see someone's head and it's like.

Speaker 2 (24:54):
Mystic Places, Mystery, there's a whole series.

Speaker 3 (24:58):
Yes, that's it. There is there.

Speaker 2 (24:59):
It is well done. Look and with that, Stephen immediately
wins us back over to his favor.

Speaker 1 (25:05):
Listen to the per cast. That's three rs per cast
cast Stephen Ray Morris.

Speaker 4 (25:10):
I'm having the best time right now.

Speaker 2 (25:14):
So are you, Stephen? Should we start in?

Speaker 3 (25:19):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (25:19):
I think your first. Is it murder time? I'm also
first because I could just.

Speaker 3 (25:23):
Keep going like this.

Speaker 1 (25:24):
By the way, I know where we.

Speaker 2 (25:26):
Just never talk about murder. We just kind of go
hysterical orfer really talk about murder, but not really but
not really ever get to anything specific. This week Time
Life series presents a murder that I'm positive I'm I
must have found on either through somebody who tweeted it

(25:46):
at us or somebody on the Facebook page. But it's
really good because as being an ex Catholic or I
guess a lapsed Catholic, I mean, I haven't turned my
back on the church. The last couple of experiences I've
had at the church in my hometown were great, Like, oh,
because you went with your niece. Yep, my niece goes
to Catholic school, goes to the same school I went to,

(26:08):
and the church the way they do things is really
different than the way it was done in the eighties.
It was likely, which is one hundred years ago.

Speaker 1 (26:17):
You have to be mean and enough to make you
pay attention, like love God or something.

Speaker 2 (26:24):
These days it's totally like we're all just here to
support each other. I'm like, what are these words? They
change the words. There's a lot of hand holding and shit,
my god, stuff that was never even It wasn't done
when I was growing girl.

Speaker 3 (26:37):
Today's Jewish holiday and I didn't fuck him too.

Speaker 2 (26:40):
Shit, what is it? PM?

Speaker 1 (26:41):
It's a young Kapoor and I absolutely did nothing.

Speaker 3 (26:44):
Don't ask me the meaning of it.

Speaker 2 (26:46):
Okay, it's about atonement, I think, right.

Speaker 1 (26:49):
Yes, I am a terrible I'm the jewishest non Jew
that's ever lived.

Speaker 2 (26:55):
That's really true. You play good Jews, yeah, but you
don't do any of the like no homework part. No.
I think it's enjoyable. And I also think it's what
in Los Angeles, I would say, it's like what ninety
eight percent of people are doing.

Speaker 1 (27:09):
Let's make this about me. I'm sorry, keep going, just
get to the murder. Yeah, okay, I'm sorry.

Speaker 2 (27:14):
No, I'm not yealing.

Speaker 3 (27:14):
Oh no, I know you're right, you're.

Speaker 2 (27:17):
So. But I say all this because my uh my
murder this week is about a priest named Gerald Robinson. Now,
normally I love a serial killer. I love a process killer.
I love somebody who maybe one of his eyes got
poked out and he's upset. And oh, there was a

(27:38):
really good TED talk somebody posted on the Facebook page.
Sorry sidebar, there's a really good TED talk where a
guy talks about how people become like the mind of
a serial killer, and he talks about violence, experiencing violence
at a young age and head trauma. Fuck yeah he does,
and that I love that.

Speaker 3 (27:58):
So anyway, this episode's called side Barnation.

Speaker 2 (28:01):
This is become a citizen of side Barnation. Don't fight
us anymore. We know you like murder.

Speaker 1 (28:07):
Wo everybody does join the religion of Sidebarnation.

Speaker 2 (28:10):
Because it's fun to have add.

Speaker 1 (28:12):
Well, hold hands and we'll talk about it and there
will be crying.

Speaker 2 (28:18):
So normally, one off murders do not interest me. Sure
there has to be insane, extenuating circumstances for me to
be like, oh, because I have that feeling like, well,
that's just the thing that happens. Somebody loses their shit
and all of a sudden attacks another person, or somebody
pushes someone over and they hit.

Speaker 1 (28:36):
We're very fragile, delicate people like that happens. But this
is like, but you like the shit that's.

Speaker 2 (28:42):
Like planned, right, I like the stuff that's from a movie.
That's what actually happened in real life.

Speaker 1 (28:49):
See, I think I'm the opposite where I'm fascinated by
the like you you did these things without even realizing
you were going to murder someone, or like you were
going to this was going to happen.

Speaker 2 (28:58):
This thing was building up inside I do.

Speaker 1 (29:00):
That's no, like it wasn't even building up. It just
this fucking snap decision you made ended up in these circumstances,
and you had and you murdered someone without even fucking
under Like if you could go back and be like
I was murdering this person and I did. I just
wanted to. I just wanted to show them how angry
I was, or I just wanted to. I just reacted
in a way that I'm not because I'm not good
at controlling my anger. Yeah, I wouldn't have done them,

(29:23):
but I did them.

Speaker 2 (29:25):
Like that's why I like one off. Okay, that makes sense. Well,
then you, Georgia, this one is dedicated to you. Think
you'll this one's going out to Georgia tonight. Hey, Georgia,
Karen just wants you to know. I'm the lady from
Coast Local Jokes, Get Local work, all right. This is
Priest Gerald Robinson. So this is fucked. It's a one off,

(29:47):
but it's crazy fucked. It has all these elements to
it where I'm like, I couldn't find Let's let's be honest, Karen,
he didn't find. I'm sure that it's possible to find
all the super detailed parts the correction corner. Next week,
many of you will, Yes, this will go on and on,
but I'll just give you what I know. So on

(30:12):
April fifth, nineteen eighty, what a time good music TV.

Speaker 3 (30:19):
I had of them.

Speaker 2 (30:20):
There was so much great stuff happening in our culture.
But in Toledo, Ohio, at the Toledo Mercy Hospital in
the sacristy of the chapel, which is up where they
keep the body of Christ Amen. I believe. I think
that's where, like up near the altar. I think that's
the sacristy, or maybe the sacristy is backstage. Happy yamakapor everyone.

(30:46):
They find A fellow nun finds the body of sister
Margaret and Paul, and she had been stabbed thirty one times.

Speaker 3 (30:54):
Holy, that's a lot.

Speaker 2 (30:55):
She well, she had. She had initially been attacked from behind.
She was hard of he so her killer snuck up
on her, took a piece of cloth, wrapped it around
her neck, and choked her so hard that he broke
two bones in her neck. Then she was placed on
the floor. While she was dying, she was covered with
an altar cloth, and then she was stabbed nine times

(31:17):
over the heart in an inverted cross shade. That's right.
And then the cloth was removed and she was stabbed
in a chest, neck and face twenty two more times.
What the fuck?

Speaker 3 (31:31):
Why take the cloth off?

Speaker 1 (31:32):
That doesn't make any sense, I mean.

Speaker 2 (31:34):
Then the killer smudged blood on her forehead as if
he was anointing her with that blood, which is so
creepy to me, the Catholic. Then he pulled her dress
above her chest cool. Then he pulled her girdle and
hose down and pulled pulled her legs apart, and they

(31:57):
say he penetrated her with either the murder weapon across
ory finger.

Speaker 3 (32:06):
Hate the murder web. I hate that detail and murders.

Speaker 2 (32:10):
It's yeah, that's it's that's hideous. Yeah, and it's also
especially in this case, the police were like, well, this
was a person, This was a person who intimately knew
Catholic ritual and who was trying to degrade this woman
in front of God and degrade the church. If she
had lived one more day, which was uh, if she

(32:34):
had lived one more day, she would have been seventy
two years old. And I believe the next day was
what I was thinking there just then, is the next
day was Easter, so she was born on tiny So
four days later they have her funeral and father Gerald
Robinson presides over the funeral. He was the hospital the

(32:57):
chaplain of the hospital chapel and she was the caretaker
of the hospital chapel.

Speaker 3 (33:02):
I remember his name from when you introduced the story.

Speaker 2 (33:04):
Do you remember maybe I shouldn't have done that, but
this would be more of a revealed. Look if I
had days and days to do this shit and I
was unemployed and stuff, Oh oh, the presentation I would
give you.

Speaker 1 (33:15):
Wait, then you're making me feel bad because I have
days and days I'm unemployed.

Speaker 3 (33:19):
Oh yet I don't care.

Speaker 2 (33:21):
Well, then we're both doing great. Two weeks later, Father
Robinson is brought in for questioning because they put it
together that if it's somebody who knows Catholic ritual and
it's somebody who's trying to demean her, they work together
and she is known as a task masters in these
It's so funny because these articles are clearly from a

(33:43):
while ago, where they're just right up top. They're talking
about what a bit she is, where I'm don is
a fucking cunt, what a bitch? And it's like, first
of all, he murdered her, so I think he's the
bigger cunt. Ultimately.

Speaker 1 (33:59):
Sorry, sorry, the headline is sorry.

Speaker 2 (34:02):
The i'm is tiny? Is it like font eight and
everything else is a font thirty two?

Speaker 1 (34:07):
Can we get that she has Amanda amanda dot com.

Speaker 3 (34:10):
I mean at Instagram?

Speaker 2 (34:12):
Uh yeah, so, but they talked about that she was
she was a tough old bird and maybe that made
him mad and maybe he couldn't handle that or didn't
like it, or took it for years and years and years.
But uh, they tried so hard to take it. Oh,
and then that he was a man of the Lord,

(34:33):
so I guess he just had to kill instead. So
he's brought in for questioning. But he told the police
in nineteen eighty when he's brought in for questioning, that
somebody else had confessed to the murder. Oh, but he couldn't.
He didn't know who it was, and he couldn't say
anything else because of the bond.

Speaker 3 (34:48):
That's smart.

Speaker 2 (34:50):
They gave him two polygraph tests which were inconclusive, and
then uh they let him go and with in the
year he's transferred to a different fuck area.

Speaker 1 (35:03):
How convenient.

Speaker 2 (35:05):
Well twenty three years later, Ah, so this is the
coldest of cold cases. Yeah, it's a ritual murder of
a nun in a chapel.

Speaker 1 (35:15):
It wasn't just like a passionate murder, like the fact
that he did the upside down cross.

Speaker 3 (35:20):
And then and then annoying did the smudge.

Speaker 2 (35:23):
Yes, that's evil, it's super evil. And what's weird to
me is this and This is the part where I
do want to get into this more and learn more
about it. I bet you there's a book about this,
because this was during the time during Satanic panic. Oh, right,
in the eighties went like the mc martin daycare thing
where all of a sudden, this weird thing and maybe

(35:45):
this was before it and so it didn't touch that
in the way that it would have other places. But
in the eighties there's a fascinating there's definitely books about it.
Last Podcast on the Left did an episode about it
of Satanic panic, where all of a sudden, people were
being accused, accused of a ritual serial murder of like

(36:06):
occult groups and Satanic groups and killing children and sacrificing
children and raping children, and this whole thing.

Speaker 3 (36:12):
That they like legitimately leave in satan.

Speaker 1 (36:15):
That there were you know, album like music albums that
you could play backwards that were telling people to kill
children in it.

Speaker 3 (36:22):
It was just like this, It was a whole thing thing.

Speaker 2 (36:24):
It was like a cultural phenomenon, much like the evil
clown phenomenon we're all experiencing now.

Speaker 1 (36:30):
Which I think is hilarious. It's the greatest. It's like,
it makes me happy in my heart, and I don't
think that they're actually trying to hurt anyone.

Speaker 2 (36:38):
Like I think there's I would say there's ninety seven
percent of it is bored high school teen boys who
find old Halloween costumes and they're like, now we have
something to do. But there was that one story where
there was someone that there was a clown on the
edge of a forest trying to offer children candy.

Speaker 1 (36:54):
Yeah, but what point is that built up by like terrified,
fucking you know parents who are like, he tried to
lumer my kid and the kid was like, yeah, totally.
I just don't believe it that that's even true.

Speaker 2 (37:06):
I would love to know. I think it's hilarious. There's
I say, at the center of all this, there's one
evil clown and everybody else is just bandwagoning on his shit.

Speaker 1 (37:15):
Yeah, and they're like, don't fuck our shit up, man,
this is like good for us. But one of them
is going to get shot by some fucking angry soccer dad.

Speaker 2 (37:22):
Well, then it's going to ruin It'll be over. No,
that's going to ruin it for all the rest all of.

Speaker 3 (37:26):
Us who want to laugh at this because it's hilarious.

Speaker 2 (37:29):
They were actually doing that in Kern County like two
years ago, and people were taking video of it, and
it was it's because Kern County is up north of
Los Angeles and it's basically the forest. It's the bottom
of the wilderness, yeas, and it's the creepy there. People
would drive by and there just be a guy with
a clown dress as a clown, but like an evil
clown holding balloons. I love just standing around by the

(37:51):
road out in the forest area. I feel like if
I saw that, I would crack up. I would scream.
I would laugh, but I would laugh out of out
of fear, but in the way of like I wouldn't
be able to control myself.

Speaker 1 (38:03):
You'd scream sneeze, Yeah, you would, which, by the way,
people are pissed at us versus talking about screams sneezers.

Speaker 2 (38:09):
Scream sneezers are pissed. Oh really, well, I've been pissed
at you guys for a really long time. And also
we talked about it in a way where you could
see it coming, and we spoke in normal tones. We
didn't all of a sudden scream at the top of
our lungs out of the blue for seemingly no reason,
so who cares what they? Anyway, back to this murderous

(38:30):
priest go on all right? Twenty three years later, a
woman tells the Toledo Catholic Diocese diocese that she suffered
years of ritual sex abuse by a diocesan I don't
know if I'm pronouncing it right, and religious order of
priests during her childhood, and she named Gerald Robinson in particular.

Speaker 3 (38:54):
Mother.

Speaker 2 (38:55):
Now, these those accu accusations were never substantiated because because
would she lie, well a why would she lie? Be it?
It's it takes me straight to the Lincoln Credit Union
thing of that that pedophile rings happen. They are crazy
and upsetting, and nobody wants to admit it, but it

(39:18):
has happened. They do happen.

Speaker 3 (39:19):
Definitely.

Speaker 2 (39:20):
Whether that is happening because people want to dedicate their
life to Satan, I don't know or think so.

Speaker 1 (39:27):
And if they and if that's what they say, it's
an excuse for bad behavior.

Speaker 2 (39:32):
Right, they're not religious people.

Speaker 1 (39:33):
No, And you know, with her with it being unsubstantiace,
I'm unsubstantiated. The intimidation that you must receive when you
give have any allegation of this going on is so
intense that why would you then move forward with trying
to substantiate it?

Speaker 2 (39:53):
Yes, exactly, why would you put yourself in the hot water?

Speaker 3 (39:56):
You'd be like, you know what, fuck this, I'm moving on.

Speaker 2 (39:59):
Yeah now, oh uh, I will just say this, for
even keelsness sake. There is a possibility that the reason
that she would make an accusation like that and it
would be unfounded and untrue is because she had mental
health issues. Okay, that's the possibility. In no way am
I accusing her of I don't even know who this
person is. There's no name, and that's of course the

(40:21):
first thing that gets thrown back at a person like
that that then negates a victim's story, right, So I
am in no way doing that.

Speaker 1 (40:29):
The other thing is maybe she does have mental health
issues and also isn't lying.

Speaker 3 (40:33):
Yeah, you know what I mean, Maybe her mental.

Speaker 1 (40:34):
Health issues are because she's stem work through this thing
for her, you know what I mean? Like, yes, insane
people are still fucking saying some things that are like
the truth.

Speaker 2 (40:43):
Yes, their experience, Yeah, you know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (40:46):
It's just so frustrating.

Speaker 2 (40:47):
Yes, And the idea that things don't get substantiated doesn't mean,
it's that they didn't happen. It's that the police cannot
find proof twenty years later.

Speaker 1 (40:57):
Or don't want to find proof because maybe there's there
all fucking involved conspiracies to the room. And my favorite
murder is cracking the fucking case right now with it.

Speaker 2 (41:09):
By post postulating, postulating, by repeatedly postulating, vaguely, hard core,
vague postulating.

Speaker 1 (41:16):
That's that's our tackles, that's the new shirt, that's our hook,
hard core vague postulating.

Speaker 2 (41:23):
Okay, but then, uh, the authorities in December of the
same year, so like six months later, they receive a
letter about the woman's allegations and they reopen the investigation
into Sister Margaret Ann's death. So basically, somebody, somebody at
the Catholic diocese heard this woman's story and believed her

(41:46):
enough or felt enough about it to send a letter
to the cops to say, I think this needs to
be looked into in some way, and they did, and
that's why that Sister Margaret AND's death got the case
got reopened. And the name that they find is father
Gerald Robinson. That's the they there's a there's a man

(42:06):
named in this crazy quote unquote crazy story of ritual
pull up, priest molestation. And then when they go to
open this twenty year old murder case, he's the he's
the one guy that works there. Yeah, and he's there.
So then they start looking into it and they start

(42:27):
they look at I think, I'm not sure exactly how
they hooked this up, but I love this. There was
a very light indentation on that altarcloth that got put
on her that had a little picture of the US capital,
and it was the medallion on a letter opener that
they found on his desk. Oh my god. And then

(42:50):
they took that letter opener and they put it and
compared it to her wounds.

Speaker 3 (42:55):
It didn't match.

Speaker 2 (42:56):
Right, it matched. Not only did it match, it mad
like a key in a lock ship. So then they
go and talk to him, and it's said that when
they brought him in for questioning again, this is you know,
in now in two thousand, two thousand and four.

Speaker 3 (43:18):
I think.

Speaker 2 (43:20):
He's he's brought in for questioning. They talked to him
a little bit, he denies everything, and when they when
he leaves, the camera catches him. He's whispering to himself
and saying things like panic word, you know, like he's
clearly praying. He's saying, like, Holy Jesus, and it's little
things that you they can't pick up the whole thing,

(43:42):
but it's I can't watch it.

Speaker 3 (43:47):
That's crazy, I know.

Speaker 2 (43:48):
So basically it's a it's a bit of a Robert
dirsty where he doesn't realize he's still being filmed and
he's alone. Freaking the fuck out.

Speaker 3 (43:58):
Now, freak out, freak the out to yourself everyone.

Speaker 2 (44:02):
Yeah, exactly. Just stare straight ahead, try to keep your
eyes open as wide. It's do not blink. Don't blink,
no matter what. But I feel like that's the thing
of if you were looking if you were looked at
for a murder, and uh, you were not guilty of
that murder, and then they brought you back in twenty
years later. There's no need to pray in a panicked

(44:25):
manner after the cops leave. I mean, you might be
upset or whatever, but you don't what are you freaking
out about? Yeah? I demand to know.

Speaker 1 (44:34):
You want to tell me.

Speaker 2 (44:36):
So essentially they figure out that father Robinson was angry
about sister Paul's domineering ways, that they had worked together
for a long time, and uh that that that he
basically snapped. Also the fact they were having Easter services
at that chapel, so maybe something specific happened, or like

(44:59):
the pressure was building, or they had to work together
more than often, more than usual.

Speaker 4 (45:03):
I mean.

Speaker 2 (45:06):
To me, though, the level of overkilled, Oh my god,
building up so crazy. And it also indicates it's like,
if you're a priest, I mean, I understand that you
would be very familiar with things like inverted crosses to stab.
To stab an inverted cross into an old woman's heart,

(45:30):
uh is pretty fucking extreme.

Speaker 1 (45:32):
But was it? What if he was stabbing her from
her head that like, maybe it wasn't inverted in his mind.

Speaker 2 (45:40):
I'm saying, no, it's the shape of an inverted cross.

Speaker 3 (45:43):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (45:44):
They think one of the theories is that he was
trying to make it look like some outside total creep.

Speaker 1 (45:50):
Which means he thought about it beforehand.

Speaker 2 (45:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (45:53):
Like that's what's crazy, is like those little aspects of
like that he means.

Speaker 3 (45:58):
He thought about it beforehand.

Speaker 1 (45:59):
Yeah, So that doesn't sound like someone who's first and
only it was his first and only killed. No, it
really doesn't. No, it doesn't.

Speaker 2 (46:07):
I mean for things that I've read, it absolutely doesn't
because if you kill someone, if you snap and kill
someone and stab them a bunch of times, but don't
you don't have the presence of mind to do shapes,
shapes and design designs and shapes.

Speaker 1 (46:24):
The thing on the forehead, also putting the cloth on
and then taking it off like you would do one
or the other.

Speaker 2 (46:30):
It means something, yes, and it has meaning to you. Yeah,
and it is a ritual to you.

Speaker 1 (46:36):
Yeah, this priest like he can't see her while she's
still alive, but he's fine seeing her and stabbing her
when she's dead, you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (46:45):
But he it was the cloth was on when he
did the inverted cross.

Speaker 1 (46:49):
Yeah, so she was probably alive during that, and then
she was dead, and so he could take it off
and kill her and stab her more, which is crazy.

Speaker 2 (46:56):
Yes, then he knows he's stabbing a dead body and
then a twenty two times takes.

Speaker 1 (47:01):
Her clothing off. It's like, oh, you know, like if
you just wanted to kill her, then just do that.
But then going through this like to make it look sexual,
and like people who try to make it look sexual
so that they think that someone else are still doing
this fucking crazy sexual thing. Yes, that's right.

Speaker 2 (47:17):
Right, yes, it's there's all there's so many questions that
I have and uh and I'm the one that looked
up the story.

Speaker 3 (47:31):
Thank god.

Speaker 1 (47:33):
That's no, no, no, I mean these are questions that like
only he can answer, right, you know, these are not
questions that we can.

Speaker 2 (47:39):
Yeah, I mean, because they didn't. He he filed appeals,
he pled not guilty, he filed appeals. The jury convicted
him in like six hours. He was convicted of They
reduced the charge from aggravated murder to just regular murder.
But then he just was. He just was in jail

(47:59):
for the rest of his life and died there. And
they convicted him on my birthday in two thousand and six.

Speaker 1 (48:05):
Happy birthday?

Speaker 3 (48:07):
Was that a good birthday for you?

Speaker 2 (48:09):
Let's see? I swear to God like these last I
would say eight birthdays I have almost no memory of.

Speaker 3 (48:15):
That's probably good.

Speaker 2 (48:16):
I mean, it's all the same. When you get to
my age, girls, guys, when you get to my age, I'm.

Speaker 1 (48:23):
Taking off out of you right now because Alice is
like sitting next to just listening to you intently.

Speaker 2 (48:27):
He's my good friend. Yeah, so that's that. Do have
any makeup on?

Speaker 5 (48:33):
You?

Speaker 3 (48:34):
Look great?

Speaker 2 (48:34):
I have workface priest Gerald Robinson. Probably not in heaven
right now, might be in purgatory. Good chances in hell
most likely. Oh, Jews don't believe in hell. Oh well,
depends how much Jew you ask. He's he's you know
where he is for all the Jews out there. He's

(48:54):
waiting at line in line at the cheesecake factory and
he cannot get seated.

Speaker 1 (49:00):
Sounds anti semitic. I just can't figure out. How is
it racist? No, I don't care, No, no, I don't care. No,
I dream it on anti semitic. All Right, that was good.
That's fucked up.

Speaker 3 (49:15):
It is good. That was fucked up. So it was good.

Speaker 1 (49:16):
Okay, good, Okay, we're back happy Yong Kapoor?

Speaker 2 (49:23):
Hey, everybody unhappy? Perm when that is relevant?

Speaker 1 (49:27):
Okay? Do you have any updates, Karen?

Speaker 2 (49:29):
There are no updates on this case. It's one of
those that's old. It's done. It's just the kind of
thing that gets reported on. I do have information that's
equally as important. I know what the sacristy of a
chapel is now, and it is what I thought it was.
It's the dressing room of the church. It's the backstage
area room. Yeah, I think I called it the backstage,

(49:50):
backstage where all the vestments and the sacred items and
the liturgical supplies are stored, and when where the priests
get ready before church.

Speaker 1 (49:58):
Basically, me, me, me, me, me, like God gonna.

Speaker 2 (50:01):
I love New York. I need New York. I love
I need unique New York. Also, I want to talk
about this and thank you Alice Nagosti for including this
piece of information. We talked about this clown panic that
actually happened during twenty sixteen. That's right, very real.

Speaker 1 (50:16):
Just a person standing on a corner in a clown
costume at night.

Speaker 2 (50:19):
Right, holding an act. That's the part that sucks. There
was an element to it that was very intentionally threatening,
and once one it was like it would happen in
one state and then it would start happening in other.

Speaker 1 (50:29):
So someone was like some teenager was like, great idea,
and I would go do it.

Speaker 2 (50:33):
Themselves because it would go on the news and then
there would show the video of like someone in a
car passing a clown holding an axe, just standing on
the side.

Speaker 1 (50:40):
Of the road. Now do you think that's legal, Like
without the axe, fucking fine whatever, loitering, but with the
axe Is that like threatening someone's life. I don't know,
the deadly weapon kind of.

Speaker 2 (50:51):
Is it about like how high up you're holding that
us right an angle right?

Speaker 1 (50:55):
Are you a smiling clown? Are you a crying clown?

Speaker 2 (50:57):
Are you just picking your nails with that axe? No
big deal, trying to get some broccoli out of your
tee and you're fine.

Speaker 6 (51:03):
So let me just tell you a little bit about
this very real evil.

Speaker 2 (51:06):
Clown panic of twenty sixteen. So the president of the
World Clown Association, Randy Christensen, actually had to come out
and condemn this trend, noting the negative effects on legitimate
clown performers and related businesses. He said, we're full of
people that love children, bring smiles, and want to help
people laugh and bring comic relief. The people dressing up

(51:29):
are trying to scare people. No professional clown would ever
take part in anything like that. At this time. McDonald's
even limited Ronald McDonald appearances at any kind of live event.

Speaker 6 (51:40):
That's how scared people were of clown when you.

Speaker 1 (51:42):
Have influence over at McDonald's, like good, good job.

Speaker 2 (51:46):
Good job. And then it came back briefly in twenty
seventeen because chapter one came right, which is kind of hilarious,
and then it just went away. And then it just
went away.

Speaker 1 (51:55):
So weird.

Speaker 2 (51:56):
What were they distracting us from? Oh this is how
it's all working people.

Speaker 1 (52:00):
It was behind the mask.

Speaker 2 (52:01):
That's a circus. Stop eating your bread. Okay, now it's
time for Georgia's story about the Gage Park stabbings.

Speaker 1 (52:14):
So all right, since we're going to be at the
Chicago Podcast Festival, I wanted to give the big ups
to Chicago by doing Chicago murder.

Speaker 3 (52:24):
No, what is it?

Speaker 2 (52:26):
The Torso murders. No, oh wait, no, that's Ohio. That's
what I want to apologize for. It.

Speaker 3 (52:31):
To Indianapolis.

Speaker 2 (52:32):
Oh, they were hurt, I know, but they.

Speaker 1 (52:34):
Were so funny about it that it makes you want
to go there. I know last week I said the
I never want to go to Indianapolis and everyone was
just like, yeah, we get it. They were like really
cool about it, and oh they sound cool. I go
to Indianapol.

Speaker 2 (52:45):
But also, to me, when you said that, you clearly
were just pulling a city name out of your It
wasn't like you've been there and you're all bone No, I.

Speaker 1 (52:52):
Mean, realistically, it's Cincinnati. One of every episode. I just
named the city in this.

Speaker 3 (52:58):
The entire country.

Speaker 2 (53:00):
You just but always keep it in that area, like
that very contained area in the Midwest.

Speaker 3 (53:05):
That realistically we're never going to go to.

Speaker 2 (53:07):
We are so going to go on a train tour
that is Indianapolis.

Speaker 3 (53:11):
Let's go to the places. Georgia is kind of me.

Speaker 2 (53:16):
Up to Peoria, Illinois, but then right back down Pittsburgh
here on that list, Pittsburgh, PA, Pittsburgh Parties. Yeah, Pittsburgh's
good time, is it? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (53:28):
Okay, yeah, we'll be there.

Speaker 2 (53:30):
Come on. I've done some colleges, I've stayed at some
of the best days in around this country. I can
tell you a thank you so much. I saw the
highway and the bye way, the throughway. Can I go please? Okay,
I'm kidding.

Speaker 1 (53:52):
So this is I don't want to I want to
stop laughing while I say what this.

Speaker 2 (53:55):
Is a good idea.

Speaker 3 (53:58):
This is the gauge park stabs.

Speaker 1 (54:01):
Yeah, exactly, stabbings, plural stabbings, multiple What city did you say, Chicago?
So February fourth, twenty sixteen, that's recent shit, that's right
after we started this podcast.

Speaker 3 (54:15):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (54:17):
Police are called to perform a well being check at
the Martinez family home, which is Engaged Park, which is
a quiet, working class neighborhood in the southwest side of Chicago.
No one from the family had been seen since February second,
two days before, and a coworker of one of the
family members had been to the police, like what's up.

(54:39):
So the police go and the doors to the Martinez
family house are locked and there's no signs of fourth century.
But once the police get inside, they discover the bodies
of the entire Martinez family. How many people, Well, are
you ready for this? So Noe Martinez Senior, he's sixty two.
He's found just inside the front door with blood all

(55:01):
over his head and arms, and he had had ten
stab wounds to the chest. Noe's wife, fifty eight year
old Rosario Rosaro Martinez, was found inside the back porch,
stepped forty five times in her head, neck, chest, abbedom
and including more than two dozen times in her head
head stab wounds. Fan, I can't fucking deal with these.

(55:24):
Those are like you gotta like stab hard. That's rage, Yeah,
that's crazy rage.

Speaker 3 (55:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (55:32):
Their daughter, thirty two year old Maria Martinez, had died
of four gunshot wounds to the head fuck. And their
son Noe Martinez Junior, who's thirty eight, was found next
to his sister. They were both in an upstairs bedroom.
He had sixteen blunt force injuries to his head and
another thirteen stab wounds to add So here's a real

(55:55):
sad part.

Speaker 3 (55:55):
I mean, that's a bummer.

Speaker 1 (55:56):
But the sons of Maria Alexis Cruz, who was ten,
was discovered in the basement, and he had eleven stab
wounds to the torso and sixteen defensive wounds to his
arms and hands. And then thirteen year old Leonardo Cruz
is found in the front porch with eleven stab wounds
to the head's shoulder and chest. Who So it was

(56:21):
believed that all six were killed within about a three
hour period.

Speaker 2 (56:25):
And the doors of Nightmare, Yeah, the.

Speaker 1 (56:27):
Doors are locked. You know, no one's been heard from
since the second. Oh, the family dog, Poloosa, which is
Spanish for fuzzy, was found alive inside, covered in blood,
invisibly shaken. Oh that poor dog.

Speaker 2 (56:42):
I mean, Jesus Christy.

Speaker 1 (56:45):
And this is like a few fucking like less than
a year ago in Chicago, like a nice family. So
police originally thought it was a murder suicide but the
autopsy proved otherwise, and there were three types of knives
used and none of them were there, so they were like,

(57:05):
clearly this and a gun. Then a month after the
family was killed, they still hadn't found anyone, and people
were like freaking out that there was some crazy killer
on the loose. So the police kind of started looking
into the theory that maybe the killer or killers had
it was like a hit and they had hit the
wrong home because the family had no ties to drugs

(57:25):
and you know, nothing criminal at all. So they were
starting to think that maybe because all the houses looked
similar in that area, that they that these criminals had
hit the wrong home, which is fucking terrifying. Also, the
cops said it's possible they targeted the wrong home for
whatever reasons they were trying to get into a residence there.
The family was targeted, but whether it was domestic related

(57:48):
or possibly a Mexican cartel remains unclear. They said, let's see, okay,
So those were the initial theories. Then eventually they started
thinking that the family had been specifically targeted because Maria Martinez,
who they thought was the main target, had been shot
rather than stabbed.

Speaker 3 (58:07):
So they're like that's fucking weird.

Speaker 1 (58:09):
So around three months later, while the whole neighborhoods freaking out,
the detectives get a tip that the twenty two year
old nephew of Maria's ex ex husband had shown out
the day after with noticeable injuries. His name is Diego Eurebe,
and detectives get a DNA sample of him from him
a few weeks later. His DNA matched the blood under

(58:32):
Maria's fingernails, and phone records also placed Diego Eurebay in
the area when the murders occurred. Twenty two year old
fucking nephew, What the fuck?

Speaker 3 (58:43):
Yeah? Yeah.

Speaker 1 (58:46):
So on May nineteenth, twenty sixteen, the Chicago Police announced
first degree murder charges against Eureba, saying he had killed
all six of them, including the two children, in a
robbery that had turned into a massacre, although it seems
like he had wanted to kill them in addition to
rob them.

Speaker 2 (59:02):
Yeah, you don't know, that's you don't kill six people.
You don't kill two fucking children, I know, because it's
like a robbery gone wrong.

Speaker 1 (59:11):
No, and his girlfriend, Jeffeth Ramos, who was nineteen, was
also charged. So it seems like Martinez, who was close
to the boys and close to the family. They let
him into the house because they knew him, and he
was there a lot. And he had gotten into an

(59:31):
argument with Maria upstairs and had shot her first, and
then her brother Noie Junior goes upstairs after hearing the shots,
and he beats him to douth with death with the gun.

Speaker 3 (59:45):
Then the mom.

Speaker 1 (59:46):
Wrote Rossarah Martinez goes upstairs. She gets killed next. And
then he found the boys and he made them get
cash and xbox and other valuables from very streams in
the house after he had killed these fucking his fa
their family, and then he took the boys to the
Alexis to the basement, stabs him to death and murders

(01:00:10):
the other boy while he begs.

Speaker 3 (01:00:12):
For his life.

Speaker 2 (01:00:13):
He's a fucking animal.

Speaker 3 (01:00:14):
Yeah, and he's admitting, like they admitted to all of this.

Speaker 2 (01:00:17):
Oh my god.

Speaker 1 (01:00:18):
And then he waits for the grandfather to get home
and kills him on the porch. So they reba a
rebaan Ramos made off with an xbox, about five hundred
and fifty in cash and jewelry, and then they pawned
for about one hundred fifty bucks and they said it
was because they needed money for milk and diapers for

(01:00:40):
their son, as well as a car, and so she's
not being she They don't think she actually killed anyone,
but they think she was a quote active participant, So
she was there like fucking cheering him off, holding people down. Yeah, probably,
but they both confess. They're both charged with first degree murder,

(01:01:00):
held without bail. But so they said they needed it
for money. But apparently there was tension between Uribe and
Maria Martinez because when Maria divorced to Reba's uncle, he
had a quote lot of anger over how she had
treated him. But another family member said that the uncle
was super controlling of Maria and didn't allow her to

(01:01:20):
take showers, put on makeup, or leave the house without
his permission.

Speaker 3 (01:01:24):
So he hates her.

Speaker 1 (01:01:26):
But meanwhile she's in this crazy controlling relationship and finally
gets out of it. So yeah, they're being charged with
first degree murder. All the victims are going to be
buried in Mexico. The Mexican Consulate of Chicago is assisting
and moving the bodies back to Mexico. That's fucking Chicago
in February, and I'd never heard of it.

Speaker 2 (01:01:47):
I've never heard of that. That's huge. Also, it's fascinating
you kill six people of your family, Yeah, and you
have the foresight to like lock the door when you leave,
So it like that tiny detail is so confusing that
you that they would assume all these weird things.

Speaker 1 (01:02:08):
Oh my god. But the word do you tell to
me too, is that that he waited for the grandfather
to come home because he wanted there to be a
couple of days in between the bodies being found. And
he knew that if he just laughed about killing that grandfather,
who was probably home every night, Yeah, then he would
come home to these bodies and it would be a

(01:02:29):
quicker fucking discovery.

Speaker 3 (01:02:31):
I mean, so he waits for him, kills him and
locks the doors.

Speaker 2 (01:02:35):
Also, what brand of psycho are you when you can
kill all those people? Like? I mean, it's just it's
upsetting to hear about it much less he did it
and then like took a break and then did a
little bit more so that he could fucking have what, Yeah,
five hundred dollars.

Speaker 1 (01:02:55):
It doesn't make it clearly, isn't about that, because it
doesn't make any sense. You can rob the family without
murdering them all. But I think he went over there
with the intention of killing them so he could rob them,
which if he kills her first by shooting her, and
then you would think he would stab her because he's
so angry with her, and then shoot the others.

Speaker 2 (01:03:16):
Wait did they say anything about drugs?

Speaker 1 (01:03:19):
There was no drugs involved. What the neither of them
Neither of them had a record. The girlfriend had been
arrested once for shoplifting or something like minor shoplifting. Wow,
but it's just yeah, it's like you don't even you
don't even rob strangers.

Speaker 3 (01:03:36):
You rob these two kids that you used to go
over and play.

Speaker 1 (01:03:39):
Video games with and befriended that were younger than you,
and you can kill them.

Speaker 3 (01:03:45):
Like that's psychopath, that's to me.

Speaker 1 (01:03:47):
Yeah, it's like it's just these crazy circumstances that you
become this or are always a psychopath and nobody knows
about it.

Speaker 2 (01:03:55):
Yes, exactly. That family's like, come on in. Oh it's
cousin Ricky. His name is Yeah. Oh yeah, we're gonna
do good things. We need a good things moment. Really,
we need like a good Themes theme song so we

(01:04:16):
can both lay down for a minute. Podcast.

Speaker 1 (01:04:23):
I guess my good thing is being yelled outside. Well,
being in San Francisco was so much fun.

Speaker 2 (01:04:28):
Wait did it rain while you were up there?

Speaker 1 (01:04:30):
No, it was Gordon. It was actually too hot. I'm hilarious.
It was like ninety something.

Speaker 2 (01:04:35):
Oh shit, but people must have been naked when when
the sun comes out and it's like seventy eight and
so just go. People are like my shorts, like it's
the funniest thing in the world.

Speaker 1 (01:04:45):
The first thing we did was get Falaffels from truly
Mediterranean and sit in what's that.

Speaker 2 (01:04:51):
Park called the Is it the one that's up near
the Hate?

Speaker 3 (01:04:56):
Yeah? Yeah, no, not Golden Gate Park anyways.

Speaker 2 (01:05:00):
No, no, no, but there's a part there's a small
park that's like if you go down towards the lower Hate.

Speaker 3 (01:05:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:05:06):
It was just full of like college kids and not
no clothes and like everyone was getting high and it
was just like super sweet. Yeah, yeah, so fun. So
I think that the highlight of my week was that.
I think that was my first time like getting yelled
at by a stranger about.

Speaker 3 (01:05:22):
The podcast that's the best. Yeah, it was really nice
out of car. I know, thank you to whoever that was.
What was How about your the best moment of your week? Karen.

Speaker 2 (01:05:32):
I mean, I have to say the going to watch
Never Not Funny Live was awesome because those guys are
so hilarious and it was and Eadie mcclug was there.
She was just there to watch the show. She's legendary
from you maate. Nowhere's the school secretary from Ferris Bueller's
Day Off. Yeah right, just dude, God, she's so cute.

(01:05:54):
She's been in over a thousand movies. They were looking
at her IMDb and and so she yes, and she
got up to walk to the stage because they heard
she was there. And then they invited her up to
say hi, and she couldn't see because she was up
in the back and it was super dark. So I
went and got grabbed your hands and walked her up.
And that's when Jimmy gave us the show.

Speaker 3 (01:06:15):
Did he give us a shadow or just say something
about it?

Speaker 2 (01:06:18):
No, he doesn't. You know, he's like he talks like
he's you know, like he's always talks like he's a
professional radio man. So he actually was like Karen gil
Garrett from my favorite verd of podcast, And then he
started pretending he was mad about it, riffing on you.
It was really awesome, that's so sweet. Yeah, that was good.
But it also made me happy because like, after a
long day of work, sometimes going to a comedy show
is like the best thing in the world instead of

(01:06:40):
just going home and being like I'm tired, I'm going
to try to watch some show that I will fall
asleep no matter what in five minutes. Going and watching
my friends be hilarious and say the best things and
riff shit it like it's it's life affirmings.

Speaker 1 (01:06:56):
Plus, I know that you're a quick makeup in the
car person, and I feel like sometimes being forced to
put makeup on makes you feel better, you know what
I mean?

Speaker 3 (01:07:04):
Yes, Like that's what I do.

Speaker 1 (01:07:05):
And then like when I go work at cafes during
the day now, I make myself like I have a
eyelash extensions.

Speaker 3 (01:07:11):
I make myself put on.

Speaker 1 (01:07:12):
Makeup because I will immediately have a better day, like
feel better about myself.

Speaker 2 (01:07:15):
Yes, there was for like five years when I was
in my what I like to call now the hermit phase,
and which is infuriating because anytime I did a podcast
or anything, I would remember when I got there. Oh
I'm gonna they're gonna make me take a fucking picture.
At that I always forgot. Yeah, for a long time,
I just wouldn't. I'd be like, what for who cares?
Like Whome's gonna see me? It doesn't matter. Yeah, and

(01:07:37):
uh and then just recently, yeah, just to just to
go and be somewhere and just kind of feel like
I'm out and I'm in the world and I'm of
the world. Putting on some fucking a nice liquid eyeliner and.

Speaker 3 (01:07:49):
A nice rosy like like tint, lip tint.

Speaker 2 (01:07:53):
A lip tint that will stay for a couple hours. Yeah,
keep you young and fresh looking. Yeah. Yeah, it's a good.

Speaker 1 (01:07:59):
Uh, Glossier, can we get another ad please, Glossier?

Speaker 2 (01:08:02):
How about you represent us as we represent you. Oh
God damn day long, chilling, chilling, chilling, chilling it chilling
chilling mind in our business. Thanks for listening to my
favorite murder. We love you for loving murder like we do.

Speaker 3 (01:08:21):
You guys are the best. Thank you, Murderings.

Speaker 2 (01:08:24):
Thank you for your support, and uh, stay sexy.

Speaker 1 (01:08:28):
Don't get murdered. Elvis, you want cookie?

Speaker 2 (01:08:31):
Cookie?

Speaker 1 (01:08:32):
Want cookie?

Speaker 3 (01:08:33):
Elvis, you want a cookie cookie?

Speaker 1 (01:08:35):
Come on, cookie boy, Elvis. Mary yay, Oh he's fucking
like pay me bitches.

Speaker 2 (01:08:43):
Bye, Okay, we are back. Do you have updates on
this case?

Speaker 1 (01:08:52):
I have a few updates. When I covered this case,
the murders had taken place earlier that same year, so
the trial hadn't happened yet. So in November twenty twenty two,
a jury found Diego or Abe guilty of six counts
of murder. He was sentenced to life in prison and
provided no further explanation for why he targeted the poor
members of his own family for robbery and murder, which

(01:09:15):
is just so confounding. Jo fith Ramos. Or Raby's girlfriend
ended up testifying against him, and she made a deal
with prosecutors for a lesser charge of armed robbery and
the hope that she would one day be able to
be with her son, who was barely a taper at
the time.

Speaker 2 (01:09:30):
Like, what a waste of heartbreaking.

Speaker 1 (01:09:32):
Yeah. In December twenty twenty two, she was sentenced to
twenty five years in prison. That's the end, man, Well,
we should put the photo of you. It's so cute
of you and Elvis.

Speaker 2 (01:09:45):
Oh, me and Elvis is really best friends.

Speaker 1 (01:09:47):
You've got this like welp look on your face.

Speaker 6 (01:09:50):
Yeah, that's me being like uh oh, do I have
another job?

Speaker 2 (01:09:53):
To go to Now. I love that.

Speaker 1 (01:09:55):
Let's we're going to post it on Instagram, so check
that out.

Speaker 2 (01:10:00):
That's the real crossover of when I started to realize
you can't ever not wear a makeup, Oh you can't.

Speaker 1 (01:10:05):
No cute and the long hair Elvis looks a little
like disappointed Elvis is.

Speaker 2 (01:10:10):
Here's what I loved about Elvis and his company. That's
he would just come and be like, I'll be near
you now, I'll give you the present, my presence, and
you could feel it. But he wouldn't. It's like he
doesn't really want you to pet him.

Speaker 1 (01:10:21):
No, I don't know your lap I don't need to
pet me, and like I just want to be part
of this.

Speaker 6 (01:10:25):
Yeah, he really was such a part of it for
so long, like good boy.

Speaker 2 (01:10:29):
All right, So I like that episode. Yeah those are good.
So it's originally titled Sidebarnation. It's just because we can't
stop going off topic, off topic, off topic.

Speaker 1 (01:10:40):
The whole podcast should be called Sidebarnation.

Speaker 2 (01:10:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:10:42):
Actually, there should be like a what's it called spin off?

Speaker 2 (01:10:45):
It'll be a spinoff where where two young women play
us lip sync it two drag queens lip sync it.
Call it Sidebarnation.

Speaker 1 (01:10:51):
I'd love that. But if we were naming it today,
maybe we would call it the Hurricane episode, just because
of everything happening quickly at the top of the episode.

Speaker 2 (01:11:00):
Yeah, there's a bunch of action. Or we could call
it cools for Fools, which Georgia tried to tell the
story of what happened to her in front of McDonald's
and saying that she tried to play it cool but
couldn't play it cool. You were jumping up and down.

Speaker 1 (01:11:13):
I'll never play it cool. That's just not me.

Speaker 2 (01:11:16):
No cools for fools, baby.

Speaker 1 (01:11:17):
Yeah. Well, thank you guys, you're cool. Thanks for listening
to rewind.

Speaker 2 (01:11:21):
Yeah, thanks for being here with us and continuing on.
We do this every week on Wednesdays, just looking at
old shows and I don't know, I guess we're just
podcasting forever.

Speaker 6 (01:11:32):
So join us please and stay sexy and.

Speaker 1 (01:11:35):
Don't get murdered. Goodbye, Elvis. Do you want to cook?

Speaker 2 (01:11:40):
Key

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