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With award season in full swing, she's going to join
me to reveal how Hollywood's elite is preparing their skin
for the red carpet and high definition screens. In our
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certified cosmetic surgeon and OBGYN, doctor Daisy Aim peels back
the layers on social media's impact on self image, with
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surging by twenty five percent among people under thirty. So
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The shocking truth about beating yourself up? Is it making
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All right, let's talk about something we all do but shouldn't,
beating ourselves up. You miss a deadline, forget an appointment,
or make a mistake, and what happens? The inner critic
goes wild. I'm such an idiot, I'll never get this right.
Sounds familiar. Well, here's a shocker. Self criticism doesn't make
you better, It actually makes you worse. Science proves that
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harsh self talk increases stress, weakens the immune system, and
leads to burnout. The idea that being tough on yourself
fuels motivation total myth. Instead, research shows that self compassion
treating yourself the way you treat a friend, boosts mental
and physical health. It lowers stress hormones, reduces inflammation, and
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significantly cuts down anxiety and depression.
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And here's why.
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When we criticize ourselves, our brain thinks we're under attack,
flooding the body with cortisol and adrenaline. Over time, that
kind of stress damages our well being. But self compassion
that activates the brain's caring system. It helps us learn,
grow and bounce back without the health costs of self judgment.
So next time you mess up, pause, acknowledge your effort,
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and ask what would.
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compassion isn't self indulgence. It's science backed self care, and
in today's world, that's not just a luxury, it's a necessity.
Be kind to yourself. It's not just good advice, it's
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I'm your host Zen.
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Sam's up next in the Going Deep segment, brought to
you by CO two Lift in our expert on the
microphone series.
Speaker 4 (06:10):
Today, We're welcoming back.
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Doctor tes Mauricio, the multi awarded founder and CEO of
M Beauty Clinic in San Diego and Beverly Hills, also
known as America's favorite dermatologist. She's an internationally recognized Dierm
cosmetic surgeon, regenat of medicine and women's health pioneer, and
has been trusted for over twenty years by her patients
including Cardi b Paul abdul Kim and Chloyd Kardashian, Julian Lennon,
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Corey Feldman, and Michelle Stafford.
Speaker 4 (06:38):
That's just to name a few.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
The list goes on and on, and as we're in
the depths of award season, she's going to join me
today to chat all about how her celebrity clients are
preparing their skin to look their best.
Speaker 4 (06:49):
For the red carpet and the TV screen.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
Welcoming down to the show is the amazing doctor tes Mauricio.
Speaker 4 (06:55):
Welcome, superstar. Hi sm So excited to have you back,
my friend.
Speaker 5 (07:00):
Thank you, thanks for having me back. It was an
amazing interview that we did last time. We went through
a lot of information. I'm so happy to be back.
Love to have you on the Expert on the Microphone series.
We only have the best of the best, so let's
dive right in. From the Oscars to the Grammys to
the Emmys.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
You've got a very long list of high profile patients
who attend these events and want to look their best
as they hit every red carpet in stage. Based on
your experience, what are some of the top skincare concerns
your celebrity clients have leading up to award season and
what are the must have treatments that you recommend so
they can achieve that radiant, camera ready glow.
Speaker 5 (07:37):
Well, I think number one is glow and hydration, especially
as we come up on the same day or the
day before. And CO two Lift is really the go
to product, and you know, we give boxes to all
of our celebrity patients because they love it. It's definitely gives
you that instant glow, instant hydration, instant calming of the skin.
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And then of course, you know, we can do some
hydrating facials like hydrofacial and infuse the skin with hyaluronic acid.
And then now we have incredible products like exosomes and
even polydoxyribonucleotide or polynucleotide to really instantly improve the skin.
We can lightly microneedle lead in the skin and it
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can give you my celebrity patients that glow. And then
of course because of the stress and heavy makeup that
they have to where breakouts and acne control is really key.
So having a friendly dermatologist, you know, to go to
to get that cortisone shot is very very important, but
also calming the skin and so all of my acne
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patients I talk to them about the CO two lift mask.
That's part of our protocol to really instantly bring down inflammation.
And then again, you know, all of the treatments that
are used for acne can sometimes cause irritation and drying
and CO two lift can help with that. And then
everybody is all about skin tightening, firming, lifting, and again
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non surgically, there's incredible technologies like soft wave, which is
ultrasound radio frequency. Micro needling is still very very popular.
You know, you have to get it done by expert hands,
but we have the candel and Rower device that we
do that, and then we can infuse the skin then
with prp exosomes polynucleotides to decrease down time and give
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them that ultimate optimal improvement. And then of course fine
lines and wrinkles, you know, we do maybe a little
baby boatox or duvo, very very natural looking, and then
treat some of the discolorations sun damage. Depending on the
timeframe that we have, we can do a little bit
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of laser treatments with froxil vidins and then the O
that's all.
Speaker 4 (09:59):
I got to a lot of stuff in the toolbox.
Speaker 3 (10:01):
Yes, but I want to know from your perspective, doctor tests,
how far in advance do your celebrity clients typically start
preparing their skin for these awards events? And do you
help them minimize I mean, do you specifically is it
you that's helping them minimize their downtime? For example, with
products XEO two lift, what are they're preventative measures?
Speaker 5 (10:21):
Well, you know, if we're talking about skin tightening or
lifting firming, then we need more time and so treatments
like softwave, ultrasound, radio frequency micro need link collagen is
being produced, so we want a little bit more time.
So if they can plan even three months before at
least four to six weeks before, then we can achieve that.
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But you know, it really depends and we can customize
the treatment plan depending on the time that they have.
But there's a lot that can be done even like
weeks before, two weeks before, we can still be doing
treatments to brighten the skin to hydrate to treat those
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fine lines. But really the recommended time to come in
is about four to six weeks. That's the time if
we're going to do something like baby botox or something
like that RF micro needling, we can make sure that
there's no more inflammation and the skin and they are
getting that result that they want. During the awards season,
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I love it.
Speaker 4 (11:25):
So let's talk about inflammation and puffiness.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
Now, say a patient has done everything they can to
prep their skin in the office with you, but they
wake up and are dealing with redness, puffiness, or breakout
on the day of a big event.
Speaker 4 (11:37):
What do you recommend to combat this the day of.
Speaker 5 (11:40):
Well, this is why we give all of the patients
a box of CO two left mask because it is
an incredible rescue for any type of inflammation, dryness, redness,
even breakouts. And if you do end up with a
breakout on the day of and you can get to
a dermatologist's office, you know we really can help with
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LED lights as well. There's some non invasive energy based
treatments that can be done to calm down the inflammation
on the skin. And if it is like a day before,
we actually can inject cortizon and those breakouts and they
can instantly shrink and be smaller, easier to cover with makeup.
Speaker 4 (12:23):
Wow, that's great advice. I love all of those hacks.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
Now, you're a trusted source in the dermatology and cosmetic
world for over two decades, I'm sure you've.
Speaker 4 (12:32):
Seen it all, both the good and the bad.
Speaker 3 (12:34):
What's one skincare mistake you see people making before a
big event that they should absolutely avoid.
Speaker 5 (12:41):
A big no no is trying anything new days before
you know your big event, and that is trying any peels, facials, lasers,
you know, anything that's injected in the skin as well,
because you just never know. You can have irritation, you
can have sensitivity, you can have a break out, and
so if you are going to try something new, you
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want to give yourself at least two weeks, even four weeks,
so that you can make sure that if you do
have these types of irritation, inflammation, or even like an allergy,
that your dermatologists can address to them by the time
mature event, everything was already calm.
Speaker 4 (13:21):
Wow.
Speaker 6 (13:22):
The big mistake that I've made is a couple of
days before and you said it right there, don't do
it a couple of days before. I've had some mishaps happen,
if you will, and it was disastrous. But from the
faces of Cardi b to Paul Abdul, I mean, you
work with a diverse range of all skin types and
skin tones, and skincare isn't often a one size fits
all approach. So how do you create a treatment plan
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and personalize your methods to meet each client's needs to
ensure that they look flawless exactly.
Speaker 5 (13:50):
Well, we talked about our time machine procedure last time.
This is our signature combination treatment that is completely customizable,
and so the idea is really you know, getting to
and evaluating your patient, whether there's celebrities or not, and
then looking at their timeline, looking at what they're trying
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to achieve, and then putting together a plan of action,
and that may involve energy, that may involve injectables, but
you know, in all of those cases, we now have
incredible technologies like the CO two lift mask, exosomes, growth
factors from platelet rich plasma or PRFM as well, and
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now there's polynucleotides as well to calm down the skin
and also decrease down time, which is very important for
celebrities and also optimize their results.
Speaker 3 (14:43):
And lastly, are there any new emerging technologies or treatments
you're excited about that that are going to be game
changing for Awards season prep?
Speaker 5 (14:51):
Well, I think everybody's talking about, you know, the salmon
sperm facials and what that is about, but it is
really entering the market and we're getting great results. We
use it just topically in Korea. They also injected it's
not yet approved in the United States to inject. This
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is polynucleotide or poly deoxyribal nucleotide salmon DNA that has
been shown to really decrease inflammation, help with wound healing
and regeneration, and we're getting great results with that and
calming down the skin decreasing downtime after we do treatments
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like lasers, radio frequency micro needling, and we can also
micro needle that in the skin to really boost called
information glow hydration, and we can use it in combination
of everything that we're using right now.
Speaker 3 (15:49):
Wow, thank you for all that information. You have a
lot of stuff in your toolbox. I wish that you
were here, Lost area, there's more I know. I wish
you were here locally so I could get to you.
But you are quite the season professional, and I'm so
excited that you came back on to share all this
amazing knowledge with us.
Speaker 4 (16:04):
Thank you so much.
Speaker 3 (16:05):
Zen. That was our Going Deep segment brought to you
by Co two Lift, and that was the incredible Doctor
Tess Maricio, also known as America's favorite dermatologists.
Speaker 4 (16:14):
Definitely head to.
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Mbautyclinic dot com to learn more about her practice in
San Diego and Beverly Hills, and of course check her
out on the Gram at doctor Tess Mauricio and you
can also check out her.
Speaker 4 (16:26):
Clinic at m Beauty Clinic.
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Welcome back, beautiful Tri State Area.
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You're listening to a moment of Zen right here on
seven to ten wo R, the voice of New york iHeartRadio.
I'm your host Zen Sam's Tonight on the Polished Beauty segment,
we have our contributor, Triple Board certified cosmetic surgeon and
OBGYN doctor Daisy Aim, and together we're peeling back the
layers of social media, self image and the mental toll
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of curated perfection. She's seen firsthand how digital trends impact
esthetic choices and self esteem. We're chatting filtered reality, how
social media is rewiring our self image and mental health.
There's a science of self image, Navigating authenticity and approval
in the digital age matters.
Speaker 4 (17:47):
Let's talk numbers.
Speaker 3 (17:48):
Ninety percent of young women use filters on their photos,
and one in three teenage girls say social media makes
them feel worse about their appearance. A study from Harvard
University found that every like or on social media activates
dopamine receptors in the brain, the same ones triggered by
gambling or drug use. Even more shocking, procedures like facial
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contouring and lip enhancements have surged by twenty five percent
among people under thirty years old, often inspired by unrealistic,
filtered beauty standards. But beyond beauty, what about identity? Who
are we online versus who we really are?
Speaker 8 (18:24):
How do we.
Speaker 3 (18:24):
Balance authenticity with the overwhelming desire for approval? Here to
break it all down for us is doctor Nina Ellis
Hervey with us Tonight, a tenored professor, licensed clinical and
school psychologist, and the powerhouse behind Beautiful Brown Baby Doll,
a platform with over a million followers.
Speaker 4 (18:42):
Her work explores self.
Speaker 3 (18:43):
Esteem, personal presentation, and the intersection of mental health and
social media. So excited to dive right in, Welcome to
the show, superstars, Doctor Nina and doctor Daisy.
Speaker 9 (18:53):
Hello, both of you. Thank you for having meal on.
I appreciate you.
Speaker 3 (18:58):
So excited to have you on on very very important topic,
social media and self perception now, doctor Nina.
Speaker 4 (19:06):
Social media has created an.
Speaker 3 (19:07):
Environment where people curate their online personas, showing only their
best moments right. The term insta worthy has become part
of everyday language, and studies show that many people feel
pressure to be authentic while also fearing they aren't perfect enough.
From your research, how does this constant self curation affect
our mental health and self perception?
Speaker 9 (19:29):
We are all embedded with feelings, beliefs, and thoughts from
childhood that tell us who we are, and some of
us have lower self esteem and higher self esteem. Some
of us have something called higher or external locus of
control or internal locus of control, which is where a
lot of my research comes from. And a lot of
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times the voices from outside us have more to do
with what happens in the course of our lives. Now,
some of us have a little more willpower than others
and will withstand a lot of those things that are
thought about us beauty standards, thought processes, and other things
that people would like for us to do. And it's
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more difficult for most of us to withstand a lot
of that. So when people tell us we need to
look a certain way or do things a certain way,
or we would look better in that outfit or with
that look, we usually go with the grain so we
don't stand out, and those that do stand out are
often criticized, so then you're kind of pushed back into
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that mode of what others think that you should be.
Speaker 4 (20:34):
So it is quite high. It's most people.
Speaker 9 (20:37):
That even we think have the highest self esteem, have
a big difficulty with not going against the grain, especially
when it comes to how you look on the outside
and how you present.
Speaker 4 (20:47):
That's such a powerful perception. It really makes your question
whether we're using social media for self.
Speaker 3 (20:52):
Expression or if it's suddenly chipping away at our confidence.
Speaker 10 (20:56):
Right Yeah, And I think that's a very true Sydney
you make because with social media, what you may think
someone is very confident and how's it together, but when
you have to meet them in person, you're surprised to
see a complete different persona. So I wanted to know,
do you how do you think social media is for
shipping beauty ideals and what impact does that have on
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self wartho?
Speaker 9 (21:20):
The Internet is truly I mean social media period has
really shaped what we believe we should look like. We
can take pictures and change them into what we think
is better or worse. We really compare ourselves to others
because we have a constant feed feedback loop.
Speaker 4 (21:40):
Right, So we're.
Speaker 9 (21:41):
Thinking, this picture got more likes, so people must have
liked how I looked here, So let me curate my
look and my timeline to look like this. And what
we find ourselves falling into is we then again do
not stand out. We don't have our own authentic or
unique look, and so we take from what everybody else's
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thinking is our best face, and we're putting that forward
more often than not, even when it may not jail
with who you are and what you are. And some
of us, again from childhood, thought we were you know,
beautiful or or those types of things, and then social
media came in.
Speaker 4 (22:19):
And we were like, oh, we're not.
Speaker 9 (22:21):
We're asymmetrical here, or our eyes a little higher, or
not realizing that those are the human parts that sometimes
make us more attractive. So we've kind of taken on
a stamp of this is what you have to look like,
and we map it out based on that instead of
our own unique perspective.
Speaker 4 (22:39):
And look, it's an important perspective.
Speaker 3 (22:42):
What you just said, and that line between digital enhancement
and reality has become so blurred to your point that
people are chasing perfection that doesn't actually exist.
Speaker 4 (22:51):
And we hear so much about FOMA, which is what
I want to talk about. Social media and the fear
of missing out. So the fear of missing out.
Speaker 3 (22:58):
Research shows that nearly said seventy percent of social media
users experience FOMO and it's linked to increased anxiety and depression.
How does constantly comparing our behind the scene moments to
everyone else's highlight reels impact our self esteem?
Speaker 4 (23:14):
Doctor Nina, It's stressful, stressful.
Speaker 9 (23:19):
First off, we have life altogether, right, Life comes with
its ups and downs. It throws things at you anyway,
right that are going to affect your health, your self esteem,
your self worth. But then imagine constantly all day as
most people do, looking up and down the timeline where
all those things are unreal or we can change what
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that reality looks like. That is going to cause grave
stress in the body, in the mind, in how you
position yourself. You're always in constantly overly overly picking at
yourself and that just causes stress overall. So then over
time that develops into depression, which can be get anxisnxiety
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and cause you to feel even less than than your
counterparts or others or peers or people who don't even
know you're comparing yourself to them, because I really do
believe a lot of us, those of us that do
have that standalone confidence, we really don't compare ourselves to
other people, and it takes time to get there. And
so the look that we're portraying is just something that
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we thought was beautiful, and meanwhile someone is looking at
it and trying to reproduce it, and when they can't
get there, they're stressed and it really weighs on their
mind and mental well being.
Speaker 3 (24:32):
We're living in a cycle of compare, despair, repeat, without
even realizing it.
Speaker 4 (24:37):
Absolutely. You know, in the medical world, we have what
body dysmorphia.
Speaker 10 (24:42):
That's a terminology we know, we recognize, but now with
this digital age, it's now called snapchat dysmorphia. What does
that tells us about body image issues in the digital age?
Speaker 9 (24:56):
I mean, I hate to say that that tells us
that it is more manufactured.
Speaker 4 (25:00):
Right, So it's not something that has naturally developed.
Speaker 9 (25:04):
It's not like we have, you know, over time, really
developed into human beings that.
Speaker 4 (25:12):
Look at ourselves naturally. In that way, we have shaped
the way we look at ourselves.
Speaker 9 (25:19):
Instead of celebrating differences, instead of being okay with how
we perceive ourselves or how others perceive us. Naturally, we
try to fit into a mold, and that mold online
is based on filters. Right, I need the smooth skin filter,
or I need that high definition only to change it.
Speaker 4 (25:42):
To make it look more ais So.
Speaker 9 (25:46):
Now, what we're finding is that people are using the
Internet to really come up with a fantasy of what
they want to look like as opposed to who they
really do. And I thought it was interesting that you
mentioned sometimes you see people and then you figure out
they don't have the confidence and self esteem. But also
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what happens is they set themselves up a failure too,
because when you meet them, they don't look like themselves.
And that may not be the worst thing. That might
be just surprising and shocking to those who experience them offline.
Speaker 4 (26:22):
Shocking but so real.
Speaker 3 (26:23):
Right, let's talk about the dopamine rush, because a study
from the University of California found that every social media
like or comment releases small amounts of dopamine, reinforcing addictive behaviors.
Speaker 4 (26:34):
I found this absolutely fascinating to read, doctor Nina.
Speaker 3 (26:38):
What happens psychologically when people rely on social media for
validation and how can they set boundaries to protect their
mental well being.
Speaker 9 (26:45):
Anytime they get alike, anytime they get a positive comment,
even a negative comment, okay, they're gonna be continually looking
for that high and looking for a way to replace
that last feeling that they had. And it's almost like
a physical addiction, right, or biological addiction, because you're constantly
chasing something that makes you feel good or feel better.
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And so a lot of times when I'm seeing people
that way, or working with different students, clients, mentees, patients,
different people that come in, what we try to do
is sort through what their idea of reality is. And
a lot of times people can't even tell you what
that is. They don't know anymore, and because they've sought
that high for so long that that's become their reality.
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So a lot of times I like for people to
go on a social media diet.
Speaker 4 (27:34):
Taking that social media diet and.
Speaker 9 (27:36):
Stepping back will help you to kind of filter what's
out there and what's real and what's not.
Speaker 4 (27:43):
And it also gives you a better basis and foundation.
Speaker 9 (27:46):
In reality, so that when you come back to a
place that is more manufactured, you can start to say,
you know, that's not me, that doesn't work with me.
That doesn't work with my look, that doesn't work with
who I am. If I want to wear lipstick today,
I will, but I don't have to in order to
take a picture of myself. And that just brings you,
snaps you back into where you should be and snaps
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you back into reality.
Speaker 4 (28:10):
Wow. Such an eye opener. Social media.
Speaker 3 (28:13):
It just proved what you just said, proves that social
media is in fact rewiring our brains, training us to
crave digital approval.
Speaker 4 (28:22):
And it's frightening.
Speaker 3 (28:24):
I want to know where do you see the future
of self image in this rapidly involving digital landscape, because
it's here to stay, It's not going anywhere.
Speaker 9 (28:33):
Yes, I see where do I see self image going?
One thing that I am starting to see happen that
wasn't there when I first came onto the social media
landscape was a lot of the professional voices, and I
think more and when I say professional, I'm not downing
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the lived experience of other people, but I think there
has to be balanced. I think there should be that,
but there should all be the professional cryptelling that allows
others to know or where they can go for the
real scientific background and the information and the research.
Speaker 4 (29:09):
But also the lived experience.
Speaker 9 (29:11):
So why I see this going is that now I'm
seeing more professionals, more people in various areas and disciplines
come with the actual expertise and years behind them and
the knowledge in order to be able to talk to
certain popular topics or to be able to lend advice
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or information within you know, within constraints and within what
they should But I think I'm starting to see that,
and so my faith in social media in the future
as it moves forward is that we will have a
balance of those voices, that people's self image will be
more positively affected by the voices that aren't just echo
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chambers that are just people who want to hear a
certain type of topic and only that and also spreading misinformation.
So I think we're going to have more of a
balance as time goes on, more you know, regulations, hopefully
that will come about more ethical behaviors based on our
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respective disciplines that will allow others to be able to
have some kouth about the things that they put out there.
Speaker 4 (30:27):
Yeah. Wow, Well we are at the end of our
incredible discussion.
Speaker 3 (30:31):
This has been such a thought provoking conversation, really just
putting things into perspective and reshifting my thought process because
I did learn so much from you. So thank you
so much for being our expert on the microphone today,
doctor Nina.
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Thank you for having me. Thank you for both of
you adding your expertise here too as well.
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Well, that's a wrap on the Polish Beauty segment.
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And if today's conversation resonated with you, ask yourself, are
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the Scandals segment brought to you by ABK law.
Speaker 8 (32:56):
Now.
Speaker 3 (32:56):
Today's show is a fascinating one, the high stakes legal
battles shaping public perception. We're going to dive into three
explosive legal battles that not only highlight the power struggles
in Hollywood, fitness, and in music, but also shed light
on the broader implications of defamation, intellectual property rights, and
the price of reputation in the digital age.
Speaker 4 (33:17):
Let's look at the bigger picture.
Speaker 3 (33:18):
A twenty twenty three Pew Research Center study found that
fifty seven percent of Americans believe celebrities face.
Speaker 4 (33:24):
A different legal system than the average person.
Speaker 3 (33:27):
Meanwhile, Harvard Business Review reported that defamation lawsuits among high
profile individuals have surged by thirty five.
Speaker 4 (33:34):
Percent in the last decade.
Speaker 3 (33:35):
The question remains, does celebrity status help or hurt in
the courtroom? Are we seeing a shift in how high
profile cases are being handled? To break all this down,
I'm joined by Imran Ansari, one of the country's top
legal minds. Imran is a partner at ABK Law, a
court TV legal analyst, and a litigator with extensive experience
in high profile cases. He's here to help us unpack
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the legal strategies, risks, and potential outcome of these cases.
Welcome to the show, Superstar.
Speaker 8 (34:03):
Thanks for having me.
Speaker 4 (34:03):
Then, okay, let's.
Speaker 3 (34:05):
Dive right into Justin Baldoni versus Blake Lively and Ryan Reynolds,
a case that exposes the darker side of Hollywood power dynamics.
What started as a professional dispute over the film adaptation
of It Ends with Us has now escalated into a
four hundred million dollar legal battle involving defamation, harassment, and
(34:26):
even civil extortion. Blake Lively is alleging that Baldoni attempted
to undermine her role in the project and engaged in
harassing behavior, while Baldoni in turn claims that Lively and
Reynolds have engaged in defamation and civil extortion to damage
his reputation and career. And this isn't the first time
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Hollywood has seen a legal battle of this nature. Johnny
Depp's defamation case against Amberhard was a prime example of
how these lawsuits can be as much about public perception
as they are about legal facts.
Speaker 4 (34:59):
So, Imron, let's chat the burden of proof in these cases.
Speaker 3 (35:03):
Defamation lawsuits in Hollywood seem to be as much about
power as they are about reputation. What specific hurdles does
Baldoni face improving defamation and how does this case compare
to pass Hollywood lawsuits.
Speaker 12 (35:17):
Baldoni has the burden of proof here as the plaintiff
in his defamation lawsuit.
Speaker 8 (35:23):
What does that mean?
Speaker 12 (35:25):
He has to prove his case by the preponderance of
the evidence, So it's a lesser burden than a criminal case,
which is beyond a reasonable doubt. And he has to
prove that the statements that Blake Lively Ryan Reynolds made.
Speaker 8 (35:40):
About him are false.
Speaker 12 (35:43):
He has the burden he has to prove that those
statements were false. Now, what is the defense for Lively
in Reynolds. Well, truth is the absolute defense to a
case of defamation or a claim of defamation. So if
they're able to prove or at least show in court
that the statements were true, and Baldoni is not able
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to prove that they were in fact false. Well, then
his claim is going to the wayside. But if he
does prove that these statements were false and caused him
damages reputational harm, then he's going to be able to prevail.
Speaker 3 (36:20):
Interesting, So let's talk civil versus criminal harassment in these disputes.
If Lively's claims of harassment gained traction, could this shift
from a civil matter to a criminal case?
Speaker 4 (36:30):
I mean, what's the legal threshold for that transition.
Speaker 12 (36:33):
Well, the allegations in this case really lend itself to
these civil context You have individuals on a movie set
who are working together. There's sort of an employer employee relationship,
or at least I should say a working relationship between
these individuals, and it's within the sort of context of employment. Right,
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they're making a movie, they're acting, So it lends itself
more to a civil harassment claim that would be brought
in a civil lawsuit like it has been in civil court. Now,
criminal harassment really goes beyond the sort of employment aspect
of things and rises to the level of criminality.
Speaker 8 (37:16):
That's not to say that there are cases where there.
Speaker 12 (37:20):
Is a claim of harassment in the civil context, which
also has a parallel case pending in a criminal prosecution
if that harassment, such as sexual harassment, you know, was
the subject of charges brought by a prosecutorial agency. But
in the context with Lively Baldoni, it really lends itself
(37:42):
to what it is, and that's a civil lawsuit based
on harassment.
Speaker 4 (37:45):
Got it? That makes sense.
Speaker 3 (37:47):
Now, let's move on to Tracy Anderson versus Megan Rupe,
the legal battle that raises a fundamental question about intellectual
property rates in the wellness industry. Anderson is a celebrity
trainer known for working with Madonna and Gwyneth Paltrow. Sued
group in twenty twenty two for copyright infringement, breach of contract,
and false advertising. The case took a turn when the
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two parties settled the breach of contract claim, but Anderson
continues to pursue copyright infringement charges. Now, with the rise
of influencer driven fitness programs, we're seeing more cases like this.
But can a workout method really be considered intellectual property?
Speaker 2 (38:24):
Yeah?
Speaker 12 (38:24):
So if they're able to prove that this particular exercise
regiment is something that is so distinct from, say, just
routine exercises, and I believe that she did have some
problems with that claim and it was dismissed, and I
believe it's on appeal. But the if there, you know,
someone is able to prove that an exercise regiment is
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so unique and distinct that it's copyrightable, then it could
be something that is actionable if someone else infringes on
that copyright infringes on the intellectual property of another. So
that's what you see here in the claim. Of course,
you know there was that breach of contract aspect of
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it that was settled between the parties. But it gets
a little more nuanced when you are claiming that you
had a piece of artwork or hear an exercise regimen
that was so unique, that was so true to you
and your creativity, and you created it.
Speaker 8 (39:25):
It's your intellectual property, it's your copyright.
Speaker 12 (39:28):
Gets a little more tricky in this aspect than say
another area of copyright infringement such as music or you know,
a piece of art and things like that. So it's
going to be interesting to see how this plays out
ultimately in the appellate you know phase, because you see,
like you mentioned zen on TikTok on social media, all
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sorts of dance routines exercises and things like that. And
where will the law actually provide protection if someone is
saying that, hey, I invented that, I made that up
and now you're out there doing the same thing.
Speaker 4 (40:07):
Right, Yeah, makes sense.
Speaker 3 (40:08):
I mean it's a very slippery slope because you know
someone's going to argue that can a fitness routine.
Speaker 4 (40:13):
Even be copyrighted? Right?
Speaker 3 (40:14):
But the legal standings are what they are, and I
guess that's why we have litigators like you to go
in the courtroom and really get the results, right. I mean,
you have to really smart about the way you present
this stuff. So let's talk about the rise of IP
lawsuits in the fitness industry. So, with social media allowing
trainers to brand themselves like globally, are we entering an
(40:35):
era where IP lawsuits like this will become like just common?
I mean, should fitness entrepreneurs start thinking about legal protection earlier?
Speaker 5 (40:43):
Yeah?
Speaker 12 (40:43):
Well, you know, you certainly should seek the protection if
you have a product like that or a service, a
fitness service like that you're marketing to others. But in
this world of AI, you know the Internet, social media,
and you know people putting content out there which you
could probably see one thing on someone's social media page,
(41:07):
and then it gets duplicated, it goes viral, and it
starts replicating itself. The law is going to have to
adapt to that technology, to those new social, social and
societal norms, uh, to really uh give the parameters out
there of copyright law. What is actionable under copyright law,
what is protected?
Speaker 8 (41:29):
Uh and what is not?
Speaker 12 (41:30):
What is fair game? Especially with Ai. AI is a
realm uh that is so unprecedented in our courts. Uh,
It's going to be very interesting to see how the
law deals with that. When you have you know, infringement
on people's likeness, uh, you know, people creating uh you know,
full uh content where you think it's a certain individual,
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but it's actually Ai.
Speaker 8 (41:55):
And we just saw that actually with the.
Speaker 12 (41:58):
The Kanye you know recently with the Kanye swastika shirt.
You know, there was this video out there which had
like the middle finger at Kanye, and you know, they
had a whole salow of celebrities in there. But my
understanding was that those celebrities didn't actually sit for that.
Speaker 8 (42:17):
It was Ali, right.
Speaker 12 (42:18):
So you're going to see things like that replicate itself,
and sometimes the celebrity or the person who is now
like this is being made in AI will give consent
to that. But I am sure that there's going to
be the majority of instances of AI being used where
the individual did not give consent. And now the courts
are going to have to grapple with lawsuits and how
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the law adapts to that technology.
Speaker 3 (42:42):
Okay, let's talk about Sean Diddy Combs's latest legal battle,
a one hundred million dollars defamation lawsuit that he filed
against the makers of a recent documentary about him. I
believe he was NBC that released the documentary. He continues
all the while to face allegations of sexual assault. He's
currently in a New York awaiting a federal criminal trial
on sex trafficking and racketeering charges, which he denies. He's
(43:06):
also claiming that the allegations are completely false and deeply
damaging to his reputation and business ventures, all while in jail. Now,
my question is, Imran, how are courts treating this defamation
case differently than traditional media defamation lawsuits. Is the burden
of proof shifting in this new landscape? And more importantly,
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p Ditty Colmbs claims that this has hurt his business deals.
How is the court going to assess financial damages in
this defamation case. Does economic loss actually strengthen Diddy's case?
Speaker 12 (43:41):
Well, there's certain protections for allegations that are made in
the court and in legal documents like complaints and motions,
and that's called.
Speaker 8 (43:52):
The litigation privilege.
Speaker 12 (43:53):
So you're you're an individual is able to make claims
even if they're on their they're salacious against someone or
they're not complimenting, and they could be even damaging to
someone's reputation if they brought it in a lawsuit in
good faith.
Speaker 4 (44:12):
You know.
Speaker 12 (44:12):
Otherwise, people wouldn't bring lawsuits and say bad things about
the other side, which typically a lawsuit does, because then
they would be dissuaded from doing so because they would
be afraid to be sued for defamation. Now there are
parameters about what you can say and what extent you
can really comment on the litigation or you know, allegations.
(44:34):
And I think what's happening here is sometimes the best
defense is an offense. I can't I'm not saying it's
necessarily a successful tactic, but that is what we possibly
see here, is that his attorneys are saying these allegations
are out there and they're gonna bring defamation suits and
sort of punch back and fight back in that arena,
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if you will. While Diddy also faces a slew of
criminal charge arges and as you mentioned, Zen is locked
up in the NDC in Brooklyn Federal Correctional Facilities, So
you know you're going to see I think you know,
we've been talking about this on the show today. Then
the rise of defamation cases as you have more content
(45:20):
out there, and I'm going back to the content of
publications in the media, but also on social media, where
you have now so many people out there publishing, right,
So to fame someone, you have to publish the statement,
whether that's being told to someone, whether that's being posted
somewhere or published a newspaper or on TV.
Speaker 8 (45:42):
And with you know, you.
Speaker 12 (45:44):
Have so many people now who are putting content and media,
I should say out there that it's going to open
up the realm of defamation cases or potential defamation cases
because people are commenting and saying things about others in
such a high volume.
Speaker 8 (46:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (46:00):
Yeah, I mean we've seen similar cases before Elon Musk's
defamation lawsuit against the Twitter user for example, right, or
even Cardi B's I think it was like a four
million dollar victory against a YouTuber for spreading false rumors.
So you know, it's definitely to your point, defamation in
the age of social media has to really be rethought.
Speaker 4 (46:19):
Right.
Speaker 3 (46:19):
How are courts treating social media defamation cases differently than
the traditional media ones. Is the burden of proof shifting
in this new landscape?
Speaker 12 (46:27):
Well, the burdens there, but there is certain parameters and
protections at least for let's say X or.
Speaker 8 (46:36):
Instagram or Meta.
Speaker 12 (46:38):
You know, those companies cannot be sued for the content
that is posted by a user. Now there's a federal
statute that protects the companies from say, if you know,
a random user of X starts posting defamatory content against
another person, the company can't be sued. And normally, and
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typically those are the deep pockets, and the plaintiff would
want to sue a deep pocket for a defamation claim,
whether it's a TV station or network, whether it's say
a newspaper for the defamatory content, or publishing the defamatory
content along with just along with the person who made
the statement itself. So on social media, you can still
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sue someone for defamation, but you're gonna be suing that individual.
And often it's not that easy to even find out
the identity of someone who is posting content which may
be defamatory because often users are somewhat anonymous or using
you know, different profile names that are not their actual
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legal name. So there's a whole realm of issues and
hurdles that someone has to face if they see defamatory
content on social media and want to sue for it.
Speaker 3 (47:59):
Yeah, I'm glad you said that. So now tying it
all together, the power of reputation. Looking at these cases
side by side, one thing is definitely clear.
Speaker 4 (48:06):
Reputation is everything.
Speaker 3 (48:07):
Whether you're a Hollywood actor, a fitness mogul, or a
music icon, your public image is a form of currency.
And there was a Harvard Business Review a study that
found that reputation related lawsuits cost companies and individuals an average.
Speaker 4 (48:20):
Of twenty five percent of their annual revenue.
Speaker 3 (48:23):
Puts the money right in your pocket, Imron, So let's
discuss celebrities and defamation lawsuits right this growing trend. I
know that we've seen it happen, but there's a pr
strategy behind these high profile lawsuits.
Speaker 4 (48:36):
I believe some lawsuits.
Speaker 3 (48:37):
Seem to be more about changing the public narrative than
actually winning in court.
Speaker 4 (48:43):
You know this better than anyone else. How often are
lawsuits filed primarily for PR reasons? And how does this
strategy actually play out?
Speaker 12 (48:51):
Yes, Zen, I actually just taught a course at Florida
State University School of Law remotely because I'm here in
New York called Media and the Law litigating high profile
cases in the court of law and the court of
public opinion. And a big topic that I taught my
students in that course was the use of litigation in
the PR context. Right, So, you have a high net
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worth person, a high profile individual out there, and let's
just say they have been sued or they're facing criminal charges.
There may be a desire to somehow punch back in
the public narrative and file a lawsuits as a defamation
lawsuit to signify to the public that you know, this
(49:36):
is not the truth at least this is what their
position is, and they're fighting back in the court of
law to sort of restore their name. Uh, there's you know,
there's a lot of considerations in litigation with the public
relations aspect of things. You could file a complaint where
you allege things in the complaint, knowing that the media
(49:57):
will take a look at it, and that you are
going to be getting your narrative out there in the
public domain. You may be interacting with the press about
the litigation, uh and providing statements to you know, the
press or media about the litigation, and you have pr
concerns along with the legal concerns. And now, one of
(50:20):
the aspects I taught my students was it's a fine
line that you have to to make sure that you're
ethical on the legal side. But it's completely appropriate and
often used by litigants, especially high profile litigants, to use
the courts of law when you're already in the court
of law in a strategic way in a pr aspect.
Speaker 8 (50:42):
And I think we see that over.
Speaker 12 (50:43):
And over again, just in recent cases that we've been
talking about, right, we've talked about Doning Lively excuse me,
and Ryan Reynolds, also with Diddy, and you know, you're
seeing these competing competing but also on parallel tracks where
you're litigating in the court of law, but you're also
in the court of public opinion and trying to sway
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the narrative in your favorite there.
Speaker 3 (51:06):
Yeah, yeah, no, it's really a game of chess, and
that's really all it is.
Speaker 4 (51:10):
It's like checkmate.
Speaker 3 (51:10):
You got to just be one step ahead, and I
know that that's what you're amazing at doing.
Speaker 4 (51:14):
Thank you so much. Your insight is invaluable. I love
having you on.
Speaker 3 (51:18):
I mean, these cases prove that in today's world, the
court of public opinion is just as powerful as the
court of law.
Speaker 8 (51:24):
Right, yes it is.
Speaker 4 (51:25):
Well, thank you so much for coming on, my friend.
Speaker 3 (51:27):
A big thank you to ABK Law, and of course
to Imran on Sary, partner at ABK Law, and Court
TV's legal analyst Stuned.
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Sam's up next in the Going Deep segment, brought to
you by CO two Lift in our expert on the
microphone series.
Speaker 4 (06:10):
Today, We're welcoming back.
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Doctor tes Mauricio, the multi awarded founder and CEO of
M Beauty Clinic in San Diego and Beverly Hills, also
known as America's favorite dermatologist. She's an internationally recognized Dierm
cosmetic surgeon, regenat of medicine and women's health pioneer, and
has been trusted for over twenty years by her patients
including Cardi b Paul abdul Kim and Chloyd Kardashian, Julian Lennon,
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Corey Feldman, and Michelle Stafford.
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That's just to name a few.
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The list goes on and on, and as we're in
the depths of award season, she's going to join me
today to chat all about how her celebrity clients are
preparing their skin to look their best.
Speaker 4 (06:49):
For the red carpet and the TV screen.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
Welcoming down to the show is the amazing doctor tes Mauricio.
Speaker 4 (06:55):
Welcome, superstar. Hi sm So excited to have you back,
my friend.
Speaker 5 (07:00):
Thank you, thanks for having me back. It was an
amazing interview that we did last time. We went through
a lot of information. I'm so happy to be back.
Love to have you on the Expert on the Microphone series.
We only have the best of the best, so let's
dive right in. From the Oscars to the Grammys to
the Emmys.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
You've got a very long list of high profile patients
who attend these events and want to look their best
as they hit every red carpet in stage. Based on
your experience, what are some of the top skincare concerns
your celebrity clients have leading up to award season and
what are the must have treatments that you recommend so
they can achieve that radiant, camera ready glow.
Speaker 5 (07:37):
Well, I think number one is glow and hydration, especially
as we come up on the same day or the
day before. And CO two Lift is really the go
to product, and you know, we give boxes to all
of our celebrity patients because they love it. It's definitely gives
you that instant glow, instant hydration, instant calming of the skin.
(08:01):
And then of course, you know, we can do some
hydrating facials like hydrofacial and infuse the skin with hyaluronic acid.
And then now we have incredible products like exosomes and
even polydoxyribonucleotide or polynucleotide to really instantly improve the skin.
We can lightly microneedle lead in the skin and it
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can give you my celebrity patients that glow. And then
of course because of the stress and heavy makeup that
they have to where breakouts and acne control is really key.
So having a friendly dermatologist, you know, to go to
to get that cortisone shot is very very important, but
also calming the skin and so all of my acne
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patients I talk to them about the CO two lift mask.
That's part of our protocol to really instantly bring down inflammation.
And then again, you know, all of the treatments that
are used for acne can sometimes cause irritation and drying
and CO two lift can help with that. And then
everybody is all about skin tightening, firming, lifting, and again
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non surgically, there's incredible technologies like soft wave, which is
ultrasound radio frequency. Micro needling is still very very popular.
You know, you have to get it done by expert hands,
but we have the candel and Rower device that we
do that, and then we can infuse the skin then
with prp exosomes polynucleotides to decrease down time and give
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them that ultimate optimal improvement. And then of course fine
lines and wrinkles, you know, we do maybe a little
baby boatox or duvo, very very natural looking, and then
treat some of the discolorations sun damage. Depending on the
timeframe that we have, we can do a little bit
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of laser treatments with froxil vidins and then the O
that's all.
Speaker 4 (09:59):
I got to a lot of stuff in the toolbox.
Speaker 3 (10:01):
Yes, but I want to know from your perspective, doctor tests,
how far in advance do your celebrity clients typically start
preparing their skin for these awards events? And do you
help them minimize I mean, do you specifically is it
you that's helping them minimize their downtime? For example, with
products XEO two lift, what are they're preventative measures?
Speaker 5 (10:21):
Well, you know, if we're talking about skin tightening or
lifting firming, then we need more time and so treatments
like softwave, ultrasound, radio frequency micro need link collagen is
being produced, so we want a little bit more time.
So if they can plan even three months before at
least four to six weeks before, then we can achieve that.
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But you know, it really depends and we can customize
the treatment plan depending on the time that they have.
But there's a lot that can be done even like
weeks before, two weeks before, we can still be doing
treatments to brighten the skin to hydrate to treat those
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fine lines. But really the recommended time to come in
is about four to six weeks. That's the time if
we're going to do something like baby botox or something
like that RF micro needling, we can make sure that
there's no more inflammation and the skin and they are
getting that result that they want. During the awards season,
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I love it.
Speaker 4 (11:25):
So let's talk about inflammation and puffiness.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
Now, say a patient has done everything they can to
prep their skin in the office with you, but they
wake up and are dealing with redness, puffiness, or breakout
on the day of a big event.
Speaker 4 (11:37):
What do you recommend to combat this the day of.
Speaker 5 (11:40):
Well, this is why we give all of the patients
a box of CO two left mask because it is
an incredible rescue for any type of inflammation, dryness, redness,
even breakouts. And if you do end up with a
breakout on the day of and you can get to
a dermatologist's office, you know we really can help with
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LED lights as well. There's some non invasive energy based
treatments that can be done to calm down the inflammation
on the skin. And if it is like a day before,
we actually can inject cortizon and those breakouts and they
can instantly shrink and be smaller, easier to cover with makeup.
Speaker 4 (12:23):
Wow, that's great advice. I love all of those hacks.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
Now, you're a trusted source in the dermatology and cosmetic
world for over two decades, I'm sure you've.
Speaker 4 (12:32):
Seen it all, both the good and the bad.
Speaker 3 (12:34):
What's one skincare mistake you see people making before a
big event that they should absolutely avoid.
Speaker 5 (12:41):
A big no no is trying anything new days before
you know your big event, and that is trying any peels, facials, lasers,
you know, anything that's injected in the skin as well,
because you just never know. You can have irritation, you
can have sensitivity, you can have a break out, and
so if you are going to try something new, you
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want to give yourself at least two weeks, even four weeks,
so that you can make sure that if you do
have these types of irritation, inflammation, or even like an allergy,
that your dermatologists can address to them by the time
mature event, everything was already calm.
Speaker 4 (13:21):
Wow.
Speaker 6 (13:22):
The big mistake that I've made is a couple of
days before and you said it right there, don't do
it a couple of days before. I've had some mishaps happen,
if you will, and it was disastrous. But from the
faces of Cardi b to Paul Abdul, I mean, you
work with a diverse range of all skin types and
skin tones, and skincare isn't often a one size fits
all approach. So how do you create a treatment plan
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and personalize your methods to meet each client's needs to
ensure that they look flawless exactly.
Speaker 5 (13:50):
Well, we talked about our time machine procedure last time.
This is our signature combination treatment that is completely customizable,
and so the idea is really you know, getting to
and evaluating your patient, whether there's celebrities or not, and
then looking at their timeline, looking at what they're trying
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to achieve, and then putting together a plan of action,
and that may involve energy, that may involve injectables, but
you know, in all of those cases, we now have
incredible technologies like the CO two lift mask, exosomes, growth
factors from platelet rich plasma or PRFM as well, and
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now there's polynucleotides as well to calm down the skin
and also decrease down time, which is very important for
celebrities and also optimize their results.
Speaker 3 (14:43):
And lastly, are there any new emerging technologies or treatments
you're excited about that that are going to be game
changing for Awards season prep?
Speaker 5 (14:51):
Well, I think everybody's talking about, you know, the salmon
sperm facials and what that is about, but it is
really entering the market and we're getting great results. We
use it just topically in Korea. They also injected it's
not yet approved in the United States to inject. This
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is polynucleotide or poly deoxyribal nucleotide salmon DNA that has
been shown to really decrease inflammation, help with wound healing
and regeneration, and we're getting great results with that and
calming down the skin decreasing downtime after we do treatments
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like lasers, radio frequency micro needling, and we can also
micro needle that in the skin to really boost called
information glow hydration, and we can use it in combination
of everything that we're using right now.
Speaker 3 (15:49):
Wow, thank you for all that information. You have a
lot of stuff in your toolbox. I wish that you
were here, Lost area, there's more I know. I wish
you were here locally so I could get to you.
But you are quite the season professional, and I'm so
excited that you came back on to share all this
amazing knowledge with us.
Speaker 4 (16:04):
Thank you so much.
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Zen. That was our Going Deep segment brought to you
by Co two Lift, and that was the incredible Doctor
Tess Maricio, also known as America's favorite dermatologists.
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Definitely head to.
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Mbautyclinic dot com to learn more about her practice in
San Diego and Beverly Hills, and of course check her
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can also check out her.
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Clinic at m Beauty Clinic.
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Welcome back, beautiful Tri State Area.
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You're listening to a moment of Zen right here on
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I'm your host Zen Sam's Tonight on the Polished Beauty segment,
we have our contributor, Triple Board certified cosmetic surgeon and
OBGYN doctor Daisy Aim, and together we're peeling back the
layers of social media, self image and the mental toll
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of curated perfection. She's seen firsthand how digital trends impact
esthetic choices and self esteem. We're chatting filtered reality, how
social media is rewiring our self image and mental health.
There's a science of self image, Navigating authenticity and approval
in the digital age matters.
Speaker 4 (17:47):
Let's talk numbers.
Speaker 3 (17:48):
Ninety percent of young women use filters on their photos,
and one in three teenage girls say social media makes
them feel worse about their appearance. A study from Harvard
University found that every like or on social media activates
dopamine receptors in the brain, the same ones triggered by
gambling or drug use. Even more shocking, procedures like facial
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contouring and lip enhancements have surged by twenty five percent
among people under thirty years old, often inspired by unrealistic,
filtered beauty standards. But beyond beauty, what about identity? Who
are we online versus who we really are?
Speaker 8 (18:24):
How do we.
Speaker 3 (18:24):
Balance authenticity with the overwhelming desire for approval? Here to
break it all down for us is doctor Nina Ellis
Hervey with us Tonight, a tenored professor, licensed clinical and
school psychologist, and the powerhouse behind Beautiful Brown Baby Doll,
a platform with over a million followers.
Speaker 4 (18:42):
Her work explores self.
Speaker 3 (18:43):
Esteem, personal presentation, and the intersection of mental health and
social media. So excited to dive right in, Welcome to
the show, superstars, Doctor Nina and doctor Daisy.
Speaker 9 (18:53):
Hello, both of you. Thank you for having meal on.
I appreciate you.
Speaker 3 (18:58):
So excited to have you on on very very important topic,
social media and self perception now, doctor Nina.
Speaker 4 (19:06):
Social media has created an.
Speaker 3 (19:07):
Environment where people curate their online personas, showing only their
best moments right. The term insta worthy has become part
of everyday language, and studies show that many people feel
pressure to be authentic while also fearing they aren't perfect enough.
From your research, how does this constant self curation affect
our mental health and self perception?
Speaker 9 (19:29):
We are all embedded with feelings, beliefs, and thoughts from
childhood that tell us who we are, and some of
us have lower self esteem and higher self esteem. Some
of us have something called higher or external locus of
control or internal locus of control, which is where a
lot of my research comes from. And a lot of
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times the voices from outside us have more to do
with what happens in the course of our lives. Now,
some of us have a little more willpower than others
and will withstand a lot of those things that are
thought about us beauty standards, thought processes, and other things
that people would like for us to do. And it's
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more difficult for most of us to withstand a lot
of that. So when people tell us we need to
look a certain way or do things a certain way,
or we would look better in that outfit or with
that look, we usually go with the grain so we
don't stand out, and those that do stand out are
often criticized, so then you're kind of pushed back into
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that mode of what others think that you should be.
Speaker 4 (20:34):
So it is quite high. It's most people.
Speaker 9 (20:37):
That even we think have the highest self esteem, have
a big difficulty with not going against the grain, especially
when it comes to how you look on the outside
and how you present.
Speaker 4 (20:47):
That's such a powerful perception. It really makes your question
whether we're using social media for self.
Speaker 3 (20:52):
Expression or if it's suddenly chipping away at our confidence.
Speaker 10 (20:56):
Right Yeah, And I think that's a very true Sydney
you make because with social media, what you may think
someone is very confident and how's it together, but when
you have to meet them in person, you're surprised to
see a complete different persona. So I wanted to know,
do you how do you think social media is for
shipping beauty ideals and what impact does that have on
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self wartho?
Speaker 9 (21:20):
The Internet is truly I mean social media period has
really shaped what we believe we should look like. We
can take pictures and change them into what we think
is better or worse. We really compare ourselves to others
because we have a constant feed feedback loop.
Speaker 4 (21:40):
Right, So we're.
Speaker 9 (21:41):
Thinking, this picture got more likes, so people must have
liked how I looked here, So let me curate my
look and my timeline to look like this. And what
we find ourselves falling into is we then again do
not stand out. We don't have our own authentic or
unique look, and so we take from what everybody else's
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thinking is our best face, and we're putting that forward
more often than not, even when it may not jail
with who you are and what you are. And some
of us, again from childhood, thought we were you know,
beautiful or or those types of things, and then social
media came in.
Speaker 4 (22:19):
And we were like, oh, we're not.
Speaker 9 (22:21):
We're asymmetrical here, or our eyes a little higher, or
not realizing that those are the human parts that sometimes
make us more attractive. So we've kind of taken on
a stamp of this is what you have to look like,
and we map it out based on that instead of
our own unique perspective.
Speaker 4 (22:39):
And look, it's an important perspective.
Speaker 3 (22:42):
What you just said, and that line between digital enhancement
and reality has become so blurred to your point that
people are chasing perfection that doesn't actually exist.
Speaker 4 (22:51):
And we hear so much about FOMA, which is what
I want to talk about. Social media and the fear
of missing out. So the fear of missing out.
Speaker 3 (22:58):
Research shows that nearly said seventy percent of social media
users experience FOMO and it's linked to increased anxiety and depression.
How does constantly comparing our behind the scene moments to
everyone else's highlight reels impact our self esteem?
Speaker 4 (23:14):
Doctor Nina, It's stressful, stressful.
Speaker 9 (23:19):
First off, we have life altogether, right, Life comes with
its ups and downs. It throws things at you anyway,
right that are going to affect your health, your self esteem,
your self worth. But then imagine constantly all day as
most people do, looking up and down the timeline where
all those things are unreal or we can change what
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that reality looks like. That is going to cause grave
stress in the body, in the mind, in how you
position yourself. You're always in constantly overly overly picking at
yourself and that just causes stress overall. So then over
time that develops into depression, which can be get anxisnxiety
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and cause you to feel even less than than your
counterparts or others or peers or people who don't even
know you're comparing yourself to them, because I really do
believe a lot of us, those of us that do
have that standalone confidence, we really don't compare ourselves to
other people, and it takes time to get there. And
so the look that we're portraying is just something that
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we thought was beautiful, and meanwhile someone is looking at
it and trying to reproduce it, and when they can't
get there, they're stressed and it really weighs on their
mind and mental well being.
Speaker 3 (24:32):
We're living in a cycle of compare, despair, repeat, without
even realizing it.
Speaker 4 (24:37):
Absolutely. You know, in the medical world, we have what
body dysmorphia.
Speaker 10 (24:42):
That's a terminology we know, we recognize, but now with
this digital age, it's now called snapchat dysmorphia. What does
that tells us about body image issues in the digital age?
Speaker 9 (24:56):
I mean, I hate to say that that tells us
that it is more manufactured.
Speaker 4 (25:00):
Right, So it's not something that has naturally developed.
Speaker 9 (25:04):
It's not like we have, you know, over time, really
developed into human beings that.
Speaker 4 (25:12):
Look at ourselves naturally. In that way, we have shaped
the way we look at ourselves.
Speaker 9 (25:19):
Instead of celebrating differences, instead of being okay with how
we perceive ourselves or how others perceive us. Naturally, we
try to fit into a mold, and that mold online
is based on filters. Right, I need the smooth skin filter,
or I need that high definition only to change it.
Speaker 4 (25:42):
To make it look more ais So.
Speaker 9 (25:46):
Now, what we're finding is that people are using the
Internet to really come up with a fantasy of what
they want to look like as opposed to who they
really do. And I thought it was interesting that you
mentioned sometimes you see people and then you figure out
they don't have the confidence and self esteem. But also
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what happens is they set themselves up a failure too,
because when you meet them, they don't look like themselves.
And that may not be the worst thing. That might
be just surprising and shocking to those who experience them offline.
Speaker 4 (26:22):
Shocking but so real.
Speaker 3 (26:23):
Right, let's talk about the dopamine rush, because a study
from the University of California found that every social media
like or comment releases small amounts of dopamine, reinforcing addictive behaviors.
Speaker 4 (26:34):
I found this absolutely fascinating to read, doctor Nina.
Speaker 3 (26:38):
What happens psychologically when people rely on social media for
validation and how can they set boundaries to protect their
mental well being.
Speaker 9 (26:45):
Anytime they get alike, anytime they get a positive comment,
even a negative comment, okay, they're gonna be continually looking
for that high and looking for a way to replace
that last feeling that they had. And it's almost like
a physical addiction, right, or biological addiction, because you're constantly
chasing something that makes you feel good or feel better.
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And so a lot of times when I'm seeing people
that way, or working with different students, clients, mentees, patients,
different people that come in, what we try to do
is sort through what their idea of reality is. And
a lot of times people can't even tell you what
that is. They don't know anymore, and because they've sought
that high for so long that that's become their reality.
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So a lot of times I like for people to
go on a social media diet.
Speaker 4 (27:34):
Taking that social media diet and.
Speaker 9 (27:36):
Stepping back will help you to kind of filter what's
out there and what's real and what's not.
Speaker 4 (27:43):
And it also gives you a better basis and foundation.
Speaker 9 (27:46):
In reality, so that when you come back to a
place that is more manufactured, you can start to say,
you know, that's not me, that doesn't work with me.
That doesn't work with my look, that doesn't work with
who I am. If I want to wear lipstick today,
I will, but I don't have to in order to
take a picture of myself. And that just brings you,
snaps you back into where you should be and snaps
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you back into reality.
Speaker 4 (28:10):
Wow. Such an eye opener. Social media.
Speaker 3 (28:13):
It just proved what you just said, proves that social
media is in fact rewiring our brains, training us to
crave digital approval.
Speaker 4 (28:22):
And it's frightening.
Speaker 3 (28:24):
I want to know where do you see the future
of self image in this rapidly involving digital landscape, because
it's here to stay, It's not going anywhere.
Speaker 9 (28:33):
Yes, I see where do I see self image going?
One thing that I am starting to see happen that
wasn't there when I first came onto the social media
landscape was a lot of the professional voices, and I
think more and when I say professional, I'm not downing
(28:54):
the lived experience of other people, but I think there
has to be balanced. I think there should be that,
but there should all be the professional cryptelling that allows
others to know or where they can go for the
real scientific background and the information and the research.
Speaker 4 (29:09):
But also the lived experience.
Speaker 9 (29:11):
So why I see this going is that now I'm
seeing more professionals, more people in various areas and disciplines
come with the actual expertise and years behind them and
the knowledge in order to be able to talk to
certain popular topics or to be able to lend advice
(29:36):
or information within you know, within constraints and within what
they should But I think I'm starting to see that,
and so my faith in social media in the future
as it moves forward is that we will have a
balance of those voices, that people's self image will be
more positively affected by the voices that aren't just echo
(29:58):
chambers that are just people who want to hear a
certain type of topic and only that and also spreading misinformation.
So I think we're going to have more of a
balance as time goes on, more you know, regulations, hopefully
that will come about more ethical behaviors based on our
(30:18):
respective disciplines that will allow others to be able to
have some kouth about the things that they put out there.
Speaker 4 (30:27):
Yeah. Wow, Well we are at the end of our
incredible discussion.
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I did learn so much from you. So thank you
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the Scandals segment brought to you by ABK law.
Speaker 8 (32:56):
Now.
Speaker 3 (32:56):
Today's show is a fascinating one, the high stakes legal
battles shaping public perception. We're going to dive into three
explosive legal battles that not only highlight the power struggles
in Hollywood, fitness, and in music, but also shed light
on the broader implications of defamation, intellectual property rights, and
the price of reputation in the digital age.
Speaker 4 (33:17):
Let's look at the bigger picture.
Speaker 3 (33:18):
A twenty twenty three Pew Research Center study found that
fifty seven percent of Americans believe celebrities face.
Speaker 4 (33:24):
A different legal system than the average person.
Speaker 3 (33:27):
Meanwhile, Harvard Business Review reported that defamation lawsuits among high
profile individuals have surged by thirty five.
Speaker 4 (33:34):
Percent in the last decade.
Speaker 3 (33:35):
The question remains, does celebrity status help or hurt in
the courtroom? Are we seeing a shift in how high
profile cases are being handled? To break all this down,
I'm joined by Imran Ansari, one of the country's top
legal minds. Imran is a partner at ABK Law, a
court TV legal analyst, and a litigator with extensive experience
in high profile cases. He's here to help us unpack
(33:57):
the legal strategies, risks, and potential outcome of these cases.
Welcome to the show, Superstar.
Speaker 8 (34:03):
Thanks for having me.
Speaker 4 (34:03):
Then, okay, let's.
Speaker 3 (34:05):
Dive right into Justin Baldoni versus Blake Lively and Ryan Reynolds,
a case that exposes the darker side of Hollywood power dynamics.
What started as a professional dispute over the film adaptation
of It Ends with Us has now escalated into a
four hundred million dollar legal battle involving defamation, harassment, and
(34:26):
even civil extortion. Blake Lively is alleging that Baldoni attempted
to undermine her role in the project and engaged in
harassing behavior, while Baldoni in turn claims that Lively and
Reynolds have engaged in defamation and civil extortion to damage
his reputation and career. And this isn't the first time
(34:46):
Hollywood has seen a legal battle of this nature. Johnny
Depp's defamation case against Amberhard was a prime example of
how these lawsuits can be as much about public perception
as they are about legal facts.
Speaker 4 (34:59):
So, Imron, let's chat the burden of proof in these cases.
Speaker 3 (35:03):
Defamation lawsuits in Hollywood seem to be as much about
power as they are about reputation. What specific hurdles does
Baldoni face improving defamation and how does this case compare
to pass Hollywood lawsuits.
Speaker 12 (35:17):
Baldoni has the burden of proof here as the plaintiff
in his defamation lawsuit.
Speaker 8 (35:23):
What does that mean?
Speaker 12 (35:25):
He has to prove his case by the preponderance of
the evidence, So it's a lesser burden than a criminal case,
which is beyond a reasonable doubt. And he has to
prove that the statements that Blake Lively Ryan Reynolds made.
Speaker 8 (35:40):
About him are false.
Speaker 12 (35:43):
He has the burden he has to prove that those
statements were false. Now, what is the defense for Lively
in Reynolds. Well, truth is the absolute defense to a
case of defamation or a claim of defamation. So if
they're able to prove or at least show in court
that the statements were true, and Baldoni is not able
(36:06):
to prove that they were in fact false. Well, then
his claim is going to the wayside. But if he
does prove that these statements were false and caused him
damages reputational harm, then he's going to be able to prevail.
Speaker 3 (36:20):
Interesting, So let's talk civil versus criminal harassment in these disputes.
If Lively's claims of harassment gained traction, could this shift
from a civil matter to a criminal case?
Speaker 4 (36:30):
I mean, what's the legal threshold for that transition.
Speaker 12 (36:33):
Well, the allegations in this case really lend itself to
these civil context You have individuals on a movie set
who are working together. There's sort of an employer employee relationship,
or at least I should say a working relationship between
these individuals, and it's within the sort of context of employment. Right,
(36:55):
they're making a movie, they're acting, So it lends itself
more to a civil harassment claim that would be brought
in a civil lawsuit like it has been in civil court. Now,
criminal harassment really goes beyond the sort of employment aspect
of things and rises to the level of criminality.
Speaker 8 (37:16):
That's not to say that there are cases where there.
Speaker 12 (37:20):
Is a claim of harassment in the civil context, which
also has a parallel case pending in a criminal prosecution
if that harassment, such as sexual harassment, you know, was
the subject of charges brought by a prosecutorial agency. But
in the context with Lively Baldoni, it really lends itself
(37:42):
to what it is, and that's a civil lawsuit based
on harassment.
Speaker 4 (37:45):
Got it? That makes sense.
Speaker 3 (37:47):
Now, let's move on to Tracy Anderson versus Megan Rupe,
the legal battle that raises a fundamental question about intellectual
property rates in the wellness industry. Anderson is a celebrity
trainer known for working with Madonna and Gwyneth Paltrow. Sued
group in twenty twenty two for copyright infringement, breach of contract,
and false advertising. The case took a turn when the
(38:09):
two parties settled the breach of contract claim, but Anderson
continues to pursue copyright infringement charges. Now, with the rise
of influencer driven fitness programs, we're seeing more cases like this.
But can a workout method really be considered intellectual property?
Speaker 2 (38:24):
Yeah?
Speaker 12 (38:24):
So if they're able to prove that this particular exercise
regiment is something that is so distinct from, say, just
routine exercises, and I believe that she did have some
problems with that claim and it was dismissed, and I
believe it's on appeal. But the if there, you know,
someone is able to prove that an exercise regiment is
(38:47):
so unique and distinct that it's copyrightable, then it could
be something that is actionable if someone else infringes on
that copyright infringes on the intellectual property of another. So
that's what you see here in the claim. Of course,
you know there was that breach of contract aspect of
(39:07):
it that was settled between the parties. But it gets
a little more nuanced when you are claiming that you
had a piece of artwork or hear an exercise regimen
that was so unique, that was so true to you
and your creativity, and you created it.
Speaker 8 (39:25):
It's your intellectual property, it's your copyright.
Speaker 12 (39:28):
Gets a little more tricky in this aspect than say
another area of copyright infringement such as music or you know,
a piece of art and things like that. So it's
going to be interesting to see how this plays out
ultimately in the appellate you know phase, because you see,
like you mentioned zen on TikTok on social media, all
(39:51):
sorts of dance routines exercises and things like that. And
where will the law actually provide protection if someone is
saying that, hey, I invented that, I made that up
and now you're out there doing the same thing.
Speaker 4 (40:07):
Right, Yeah, makes sense.
Speaker 3 (40:08):
I mean it's a very slippery slope because you know
someone's going to argue that can a fitness routine.
Speaker 4 (40:13):
Even be copyrighted? Right?
Speaker 3 (40:14):
But the legal standings are what they are, and I
guess that's why we have litigators like you to go
in the courtroom and really get the results, right. I mean,
you have to really smart about the way you present
this stuff. So let's talk about the rise of IP
lawsuits in the fitness industry. So, with social media allowing
trainers to brand themselves like globally, are we entering an
(40:35):
era where IP lawsuits like this will become like just common?
I mean, should fitness entrepreneurs start thinking about legal protection earlier?
Speaker 5 (40:43):
Yeah?
Speaker 12 (40:43):
Well, you know, you certainly should seek the protection if
you have a product like that or a service, a
fitness service like that you're marketing to others. But in
this world of AI, you know the Internet, social media,
and you know people putting content out there which you
could probably see one thing on someone's social media page,
(41:07):
and then it gets duplicated, it goes viral, and it
starts replicating itself. The law is going to have to
adapt to that technology, to those new social, social and
societal norms, uh, to really uh give the parameters out
there of copyright law. What is actionable under copyright law,
what is protected?
Speaker 8 (41:29):
Uh and what is not?
Speaker 12 (41:30):
What is fair game? Especially with Ai. AI is a
realm uh that is so unprecedented in our courts. Uh,
It's going to be very interesting to see how the
law deals with that. When you have you know, infringement
on people's likeness, uh, you know, people creating uh you know,
full uh content where you think it's a certain individual,
(41:54):
but it's actually Ai.
Speaker 8 (41:55):
And we just saw that actually with the.
Speaker 12 (41:58):
The Kanye you know recently with the Kanye swastika shirt.
You know, there was this video out there which had
like the middle finger at Kanye, and you know, they
had a whole salow of celebrities in there. But my
understanding was that those celebrities didn't actually sit for that.
Speaker 8 (42:17):
It was Ali, right.
Speaker 12 (42:18):
So you're going to see things like that replicate itself,
and sometimes the celebrity or the person who is now
like this is being made in AI will give consent
to that. But I am sure that there's going to
be the majority of instances of AI being used where
the individual did not give consent. And now the courts
are going to have to grapple with lawsuits and how
(42:40):
the law adapts to that technology.
Speaker 3 (42:42):
Okay, let's talk about Sean Diddy Combs's latest legal battle,
a one hundred million dollars defamation lawsuit that he filed
against the makers of a recent documentary about him. I
believe he was NBC that released the documentary. He continues
all the while to face allegations of sexual assault. He's
currently in a New York awaiting a federal criminal trial
on sex trafficking and racketeering charges, which he denies. He's
(43:06):
also claiming that the allegations are completely false and deeply
damaging to his reputation and business ventures, all while in jail. Now,
my question is, Imran, how are courts treating this defamation
case differently than traditional media defamation lawsuits. Is the burden
of proof shifting in this new landscape? And more importantly,
(43:28):
p Ditty Colmbs claims that this has hurt his business deals.
How is the court going to assess financial damages in
this defamation case. Does economic loss actually strengthen Diddy's case?
Speaker 12 (43:41):
Well, there's certain protections for allegations that are made in
the court and in legal documents like complaints and motions,
and that's called.
Speaker 8 (43:52):
The litigation privilege.
Speaker 12 (43:53):
So you're you're an individual is able to make claims
even if they're on their they're salacious against someone or
they're not complimenting, and they could be even damaging to
someone's reputation if they brought it in a lawsuit in
good faith.
Speaker 4 (44:12):
You know.
Speaker 12 (44:12):
Otherwise, people wouldn't bring lawsuits and say bad things about
the other side, which typically a lawsuit does, because then
they would be dissuaded from doing so because they would
be afraid to be sued for defamation. Now there are
parameters about what you can say and what extent you
can really comment on the litigation or you know, allegations.
(44:34):
And I think what's happening here is sometimes the best
defense is an offense. I can't I'm not saying it's
necessarily a successful tactic, but that is what we possibly
see here, is that his attorneys are saying these allegations
are out there and they're gonna bring defamation suits and
sort of punch back and fight back in that arena,
(44:55):
if you will. While Diddy also faces a slew of
criminal charge arges and as you mentioned, Zen is locked
up in the NDC in Brooklyn Federal Correctional Facilities, So
you know you're going to see I think you know,
we've been talking about this on the show today. Then
the rise of defamation cases as you have more content
(45:20):
out there, and I'm going back to the content of
publications in the media, but also on social media, where
you have now so many people out there publishing, right,
So to fame someone, you have to publish the statement,
whether that's being told to someone, whether that's being posted
somewhere or published a newspaper or on TV.
Speaker 8 (45:42):
And with you know, you.
Speaker 12 (45:44):
Have so many people now who are putting content and media,
I should say out there that it's going to open
up the realm of defamation cases or potential defamation cases
because people are commenting and saying things about others in
such a high volume.
Speaker 8 (46:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (46:00):
Yeah, I mean we've seen similar cases before Elon Musk's
defamation lawsuit against the Twitter user for example, right, or
even Cardi B's I think it was like a four
million dollar victory against a YouTuber for spreading false rumors.
So you know, it's definitely to your point, defamation in
the age of social media has to really be rethought.
Speaker 4 (46:19):
Right.
Speaker 3 (46:19):
How are courts treating social media defamation cases differently than
the traditional media ones. Is the burden of proof shifting
in this new landscape?
Speaker 12 (46:27):
Well, the burdens there, but there is certain parameters and
protections at least for let's say X or.
Speaker 8 (46:36):
Instagram or Meta.
Speaker 12 (46:38):
You know, those companies cannot be sued for the content
that is posted by a user. Now there's a federal
statute that protects the companies from say, if you know,
a random user of X starts posting defamatory content against
another person, the company can't be sued. And normally, and
(47:01):
typically those are the deep pockets, and the plaintiff would
want to sue a deep pocket for a defamation claim,
whether it's a TV station or network, whether it's say
a newspaper for the defamatory content, or publishing the defamatory
content along with just along with the person who made
the statement itself. So on social media, you can still
(47:25):
sue someone for defamation, but you're gonna be suing that individual.
And often it's not that easy to even find out
the identity of someone who is posting content which may
be defamatory because often users are somewhat anonymous or using
you know, different profile names that are not their actual
(47:48):
legal name. So there's a whole realm of issues and
hurdles that someone has to face if they see defamatory
content on social media and want to sue for it.
Speaker 3 (47:59):
Yeah, I'm glad you said that. So now tying it
all together, the power of reputation. Looking at these cases
side by side, one thing is definitely clear.
Speaker 4 (48:06):
Reputation is everything.
Speaker 3 (48:07):
Whether you're a Hollywood actor, a fitness mogul, or a
music icon, your public image is a form of currency.
And there was a Harvard Business Review a study that
found that reputation related lawsuits cost companies and individuals an average.
Speaker 4 (48:20):
Of twenty five percent of their annual revenue.
Speaker 3 (48:23):
Puts the money right in your pocket, Imron, So let's
discuss celebrities and defamation lawsuits right this growing trend. I
know that we've seen it happen, but there's a pr
strategy behind these high profile lawsuits.
Speaker 4 (48:36):
I believe some lawsuits.
Speaker 3 (48:37):
Seem to be more about changing the public narrative than
actually winning in court.
Speaker 4 (48:43):
You know this better than anyone else. How often are
lawsuits filed primarily for PR reasons? And how does this
strategy actually play out?
Speaker 12 (48:51):
Yes, Zen, I actually just taught a course at Florida
State University School of Law remotely because I'm here in
New York called Media and the Law litigating high profile
cases in the court of law and the court of
public opinion. And a big topic that I taught my
students in that course was the use of litigation in
the PR context. Right, So, you have a high net
(49:14):
worth person, a high profile individual out there, and let's
just say they have been sued or they're facing criminal charges.
There may be a desire to somehow punch back in
the public narrative and file a lawsuits as a defamation
lawsuit to signify to the public that you know, this
(49:36):
is not the truth at least this is what their
position is, and they're fighting back in the court of
law to sort of restore their name. Uh, there's you know,
there's a lot of considerations in litigation with the public
relations aspect of things. You could file a complaint where
you allege things in the complaint, knowing that the media
(49:57):
will take a look at it, and that you are
going to be getting your narrative out there in the
public domain. You may be interacting with the press about
the litigation, uh and providing statements to you know, the
press or media about the litigation, and you have pr
concerns along with the legal concerns. And now, one of
(50:20):
the aspects I taught my students was it's a fine
line that you have to to make sure that you're
ethical on the legal side. But it's completely appropriate and
often used by litigants, especially high profile litigants, to use
the courts of law when you're already in the court
of law in a strategic way in a pr aspect.
Speaker 8 (50:42):
And I think we see that over.
Speaker 12 (50:43):
And over again, just in recent cases that we've been
talking about, right, we've talked about Doning Lively excuse me,
and Ryan Reynolds, also with Diddy, and you know, you're
seeing these competing competing but also on parallel tracks where
you're litigating in the court of law, but you're also
in the court of public opinion and trying to sway
(51:04):
the narrative in your favorite there.
Speaker 3 (51:06):
Yeah, yeah, no, it's really a game of chess, and
that's really all it is.
Speaker 4 (51:10):
It's like checkmate.
Speaker 3 (51:10):
You got to just be one step ahead, and I
know that that's what you're amazing at doing.
Speaker 4 (51:14):
Thank you so much. Your insight is invaluable. I love
having you on.
Speaker 3 (51:18):
I mean, these cases prove that in today's world, the
court of public opinion is just as powerful as the
court of law.
Speaker 8 (51:24):
Right, yes it is.
Speaker 4 (51:25):
Well, thank you so much for coming on, my friend.
Speaker 3 (51:27):
A big thank you to ABK Law, and of course
to Imran on Sary, partner at ABK Law, and Court
TV's legal analyst Stuned.
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