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Speaker 1 (00:01):
All right, alright, alright, still East Coast bringing juice to
this right now here. Just had to watch the commanders
have a nice little dub against the Chicago pairs. Uh,
we'll get into that in the sect. Mike, good to
have you back as a co host. Want you to
produce our guests.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Man, love to be on man, I love to see you, Frank,
thanks Mike, Jake. Man. So right now we're to bring
up my boy man the Ghee. Man.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
I can't say enough. Just like him, you know, my
real rookie you know, came as a linebacker. We have
really similar things. We'll get into, but yeah, man, just
say what's up to the people?
Speaker 1 (00:34):
Man, what's up?
Speaker 4 (00:35):
Man? I appreciate you hell for having me and let's
get it man, jam McGinn the building.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
Hey, you look good in.
Speaker 5 (00:39):
That hat, Bro, I appreciate no, Diddy, you look good
at make sure we might throw that on the website.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
Bro, that's some good on you too, like he's on
you too good. No, no, no, no no, he make
sure you get some headshots.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
Of dam too.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
Okay, all right, thanks shake, Hey McGee, let's talk about this.
So where are you from? Over Delaware? That's right?
Speaker 4 (00:59):
Talk earlier.
Speaker 5 (01:00):
Yes, Sarah, I don't like that though, So Dover Delaware,
let's just start the same way. Where's that rank in
the top ten states of high school recruits. It's out
of seventeen. It's out of the top ten seventeen.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
Keep going.
Speaker 4 (01:14):
It's probably we're very underrecruited, very underrecruited.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Under recruited, oh for sure.
Speaker 4 (01:23):
Now, like when it was my like my class, it
was more my class, it was more it was more
like it was more hard to really make it out.
But nowadays, like you got a lot of people, like
a couple of kids going to South Carolina getting recruited big,
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big time, like four star recruits and stuff. But around
my time, I was a three star recruit and I
was like the second highest.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
Rated player in the state. Yeah, so.
Speaker 4 (01:56):
We had Marshawn Lloyd that was I think he was
the first, but he had went to Maryland and transferred
to the Damatha So like, I feel like I was
the only one for so because there's less there's less
competition at the elite level.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
And yeah, it was it a culture shock.
Speaker 5 (02:12):
Then, going from old's back track, was it harder to
get recruited because of the lack of competition.
Speaker 4 (02:19):
Uh yeah, the lack of competition and the state is
so small, it's not a lot of teams there, so
like and we're not playing any big time teams, like
I think the Middletown that's the school in Delaware they
played IMG so that was like the biggest game, like
they like piped it up so big Middletown, Like it
was crazy.
Speaker 5 (02:39):
I always thought, for some reason, I don't know, I
thought this is like a little kids where if I
wanted to go win a state championship, I'd go to
Rhode Island and win a state championship every dayh.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
High schools in Rhode Island be a lot seven.
Speaker 4 (02:53):
Yeah, I haven't heard anybody from Rhoe Island. Like in
the NFL, I don't know anybody from Rhode Island.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
So what brought you to Temple though? Was it like
the only spa or was it like what made you
go to Temple.
Speaker 4 (03:05):
I want to say it's not the only spot I
got recruited, but I'll say it was the best opportunity
to come in. You know, at the time, they had
a coach, Jeff Collins, he was the head coach at
the time. They had a good record. You know, but
I think the main thing that made me come to
Temple was the culture. It was that brotherhood that were
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that we're striving to have here at the at the Commanders,
And I think that that played a big part of
me coming to Temple. And I felt like it was
good for me to really get out of Delaware, not
stay in Delaware because the other three offers that I
had was ud University of Delaware, Morgan State, and uh
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Delaware State University. So those three schools, Temple was the
best school that we had that year. My freshman year.
We had four players drafted that year. Oh yeah, okay, wow,
so I was You're on a high.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
You were on a high.
Speaker 4 (04:01):
Yeh, So I was the first player draft in like
four years from Temple.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
Nice congratulation, crazy, that's great. That's big time man.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
Delaware State. One thing, the ones who played Hawaii this year. Yeah,
Fresno State.
Speaker 5 (04:11):
We play Hawaii every other year, right and from Fresno
to Hawaii is a five hour flight, Okay. And what
you know, if you play in the Mountain West and
you play Hawaii every year, you go play at Hawaii,
it's a trap game because the flight they usually put.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
You in a nice hotel on the let you leave,
don't let you leave. Turn your window. And I've never
been to Hawaii like recreationally, so so I'm out there
and I'm it's like prison, almost, bro, and you're there
to play foot William.
Speaker 5 (04:43):
Nobody goes to the games and we we just got
to play in uh A Loha Stadium for yeah, which
is where they used to have the Pro Bowl out,
So they have a big NFL stadium with nobody in it.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
Now they got rid of it, juice, Yeah, they got
rid of it, and now they play it like this
high school. It was where we practiced for the Hawaii Bowl.
Speaker 5 (05:01):
No way, Yes, that's where they play it now, which
is I'm not kidding's a high school stadium.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
Not throwing the shade. But with that being said, it
is really hard to go play there because and you
kick off at eight pm. They do that on purpose.
So eight pm in Hawaii is it's crazy, but it's
it's eleven in Fresno, eleven in Cali.
Speaker 5 (05:22):
So when I saw Delaware State, usually you go on
a Thursday to get acclimated to the time and all that. Well,
I don't have my fact checker on me right now.
But Delaware to Hawaii is a long ways like.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
Probably like three thousand miles or something. Fourteen. No, that's
too much.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
No, I think it's ten us.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
No, it's a I looked up. It was an eleven
hour flight. I want to say, Okay, there you go.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
So basically ten hour.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
That is crazy.
Speaker 5 (05:50):
In the football game, Mike, they missed their flight, they
missed the flame, they didn't.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
Get to go a day early.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
How do you miss a flight if it's a private.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
Bus broke down? What do they call it? The yes?
Speaker 2 (06:08):
Okay, also the uber.
Speaker 5 (06:14):
But also just for the team, why didn't the pilot
just wait, hey, we'll just go in an hour?
Speaker 1 (06:19):
In effect, have so many unanswered questions. I just see
it on Twitter.
Speaker 5 (06:25):
I sometimes do these, you know, it's lockinghead videos for
I go on a little rant about some bullet and
I'm like, yo, bro.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
Insane.
Speaker 5 (06:33):
And for people who don't know the Hawaii situation. When
I'm betting on games and I see a team that
never played out Hawaii and they're.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
Like, oh, yeah, you know, they're the Hawaii's. Maybe they're
not that good this year, I'm like, they're gonna get
culture shocked right now, and they might get punched in
the mouth off like Hawaii used to be nice. Hawaii
is They're a constant track.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
Always they're they're definitely they always knock off, like the
Top Mountain West like Hawaii, Nevada, like they're.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
Should be playing.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
Well that's why this week, you know we're gonna we're
gonna watch State. Yeah, we're watching but.
Speaker 5 (07:07):
Yeah, anyways, sorry to get off topic there or the other,
but with Temple Temple, tell me about timp Okay, so
were you guys winning your conference and all that that.
Speaker 1 (07:15):
Period of time too as well?
Speaker 4 (07:16):
What na that my freshman year we didn't win the conference?
We I don't think we The last time we won
the conference was like twenty sixteen. I think that's when
they had Dionne Dawkins for the Bills.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
Tyler matic Kevid I think he's on the Sailors right now.
Speaker 4 (07:32):
They had a lot of people, some dudes, Hassan Reddick
like hey, yeah, people, Yeah, it's crazy, Like Temple Temple
is like a known school, Like a lot of scouts
come there during like fall training and like like right
now in this time and like it's crazy to think
about because like now the program is not really how
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it used to be right, because like I, that's like
the culture. It was a culture shift once Collins left
and once once we got a new coach, Coach Carrie.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
I feel like a lot of things changed.
Speaker 5 (08:10):
You know.
Speaker 4 (08:10):
I had the opportunity to leave, but I didn't. I
ended up staying because I just wanted to play with
my brothers. That's all I thought about. Like I was
thinking about nil and think about like transferring and getting
money from other people.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
I just wanted to play with my brothers, and that's
all I wanted to do.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
I think. Okay, so the biggest thing we keep talking
about is culture.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
When I first came to the league in twenty twenty COVID,
everyone asked me, what's the biggest difference. The biggest difference
in the NFL and where I was at was like
I went to work, I went home, I went to
the draw, I went to the games. I thought to Frank.
I would call Frank on my drive home, like y'all
just played a football game. I'm on traffic, stuck in
traffic going home, like there was no like, you know,
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it wasn't really that much brotherhood. I don't think it's
it's not it's not a shock to those guys.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
It was COVID.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
So like, talk to us about how your transition is
with the Commanders to college football, because I feel like
it's we're doing a really good job at it. But
I don't think there's any NFL team that can match
college like the culture.
Speaker 5 (09:13):
Maybe maybe like prime Bill Belichick when they were like
had the Patriot Way. Like we've interviewed dudes who were
there in that era of the Patriot Way, and dudes,
certain guys didn't want to play for the Patriots because
he treated it like a college cultural almost Okay, fall
camp in college, right, yeah, I'm summer ball in college,
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like winter conditioning right like that, like right at the
same time, I mean they did have a dynasty, right,
Like you.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
Don't go through that in the NFL.
Speaker 4 (09:42):
Like you don't go through fall camp, the hard, hard
days of fall camp two a days. You don't go
through winter training in the NFL. So like just going
through that with your brothers and having your brothers to
lean on. I feel like that's the difference between the
NFL and college like college like like Bama. Like when
we was talking about Obama, Nick Saban, like that culture,
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it was crazy, like everybody knew that if you went
to Bama.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
Was probably get drafted.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
Drafted, you was gonna win win a lot of games.
Speaker 4 (10:14):
Yes, you was gonna win a lot of games at
Bama just because how they did things. And we always
knew that as like Bama the powerhouse, there was always
number one. Like my dream school was Bama. I wanted
to go to Bama. That didn't work out, but I
went to Temple and it was at the moment at
the time, it was a lot of brotherhood.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
There's a lot of culture that I could that I
could like have my focus on. So like.
Speaker 4 (10:41):
I wasn't really going out there to play for the money.
I was going out there to play with my brothers
at the end of the day. And I feel like
that's the main thing for like the NFL to college
is that is that culture, that brotherhood that a lot
of teams are missing. But I feel like Dan Quinn
is doing a great job of emphasizing that brotherhood and
that culture and really.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
Bringing it back to the Washington commanders well, taking us
like keeping us on the culture track. Talk to us
about the single digit numbers at Temple. Yeah, single digit
numbers at Temple.
Speaker 4 (11:13):
That's like the highest tradition you can earn at Temple,
you know, being recognized by your peers as a leader
on and off the field, the toughest of the tough
just going out there every day and giving it your
all no matter the circumstances. You know, we could be
up by forty, we'll get down by forty and you know,
you still have that same mentality all the time. And
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I feel like, you know, when I was at Temple,
I got voted single digit two times in a row,
twenty twenty two, twenty twenty three, and it was it
was a blessing to be looked at by my peers
as one of those individuals, one of those single digits.
Because when I was going, when I was a freshman,
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you know, we had Sean Bradley, We had Chappelle Russell,
he was with us for a little bit. We had
guys like that in my LB room. So like just
learning from them was crazy, you know, And I feel
like I feel like I learned a lot from them.
And so is it something where I wasn't familiar with that?
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So is it something like could they take away your
single digit or technically that doesn't happen. Nah, Technically that technically,
technically that doesn't happen, but I think it happened sometime
like last year they took away from my single digit.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
But you have to uphold that standard. You have to
uphold the standard like that.
Speaker 4 (12:39):
That like when you get like sworn in basically like
you're basically like on the phone with all the past
single digits and like you're basically like, yeah, you're getting
sworn in type of thing.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
See yeah for so for I mean take us through it.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
So for a lot of guys, like you know, we're
West Coast guys, you know, like we're not really familiar
with Temple. Like I was three in college. I think
I liked them number three like it's black. I'm a
single number Temple, Like it's a whole different like in situation,
like what's take us through that? Like people who don't
know so like the single digits.
Speaker 4 (13:10):
Man, it's crazy because like like I said, you're looked
at as your peers, as like one of the leaders,
like the toughest guys. You know, you'll never quit that
type of thing, like greatness doesn't quit. That was like
our model back then, like my freshman year. But like
it's like I don't I don't know how to explain it.
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Like it's just like, uh, what's the word. I can't
I can't really think about it, Like it ain't just
for the looks, like it means yeah, like it means something.
It's like it's very important over there, Like that's like
the highest of the highest tradition and like only a
few people get to really be called a single digit
and it's a blessing to even be called that because
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you know, just to be looked at your peers as
one of the one of the leaders on the team,
you know, handle the adversity. Like me, I was the spokesperson.
Like we lost a lot when I was there. I
was the spokesperson for the losses. So like going out there,
you know, I just had to like encourage us and
things like that.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
But like it was tough.
Speaker 4 (14:15):
I ain't gonna lie, it was tough going through that,
like just losing, lose and losing. Like I think we
went three and nine after I think we went three
and nine from twenty twenty to two thousand my last
year there, so like four years.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
It's really easy to lead when everything is good.
Speaker 5 (14:36):
Yeah, it's really easy when you're all undefeated, you're a
one lost, two loss team and after the game you're saying, look,
let's keep doing it boys, right, It's it's it's simple,
it's easy. Right, It's hard to lead when it's hard.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
It's hard, true leaders to keep everybody together. It's hard,
true leaders, got you know you're you're hurting cattle.
Speaker 5 (15:01):
Having to check people, I think is one of the
most uncomfortable things you have to do, especially at the
college level, because in high school you're the dog and
you could check people and be like, I'm better than you.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
Yeah, so listen to me.
Speaker 5 (15:18):
Basically, right in college you can't really take that exact
same approach, like very few people can't. And the greats
are the great because of that, right, Like like the
the tom Brady's of the world, they could go and say, listen.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
To me, I'm Tom Brady, right, he had that ability
to say that. Natcha Mahomes has earned that role where
it's like you could bring any anybody from any position
in there.
Speaker 5 (15:42):
Ye, listen to me, like I Win, so listen to me,
because this is what it takes. And I just think
it's very difficult to be able to be a leader.
Win does hit the fan. That's that's that's a very
hard thing to do. So who are some leaders that
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you've idolized in your life that you kind of took
a page from their book and applied to yourself.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
Oh, that's all right.
Speaker 4 (16:12):
Like growing up a Ravens fan, because I was actually
born in Towsand Maryland, I was a big Ravens fan.
Speaker 5 (16:19):
You know.
Speaker 4 (16:19):
I was looking at leaders like Ed Reed and ray Lewis,
two of the best leaders all the time, and like
they played a big part and my development as leader.
And also I want to say my coach, Coach Drayton,
the one that got there after Coach Carry left in
twenty twenty two, he played a big part in my
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development as a leader because he wanted me to get
out my comfort zone.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
That was the main thing with him.
Speaker 4 (16:46):
He wanted he's seen that how everybody reacted to me
as like the leader that like that guy that everybody
can lean on. And he wanted me to really step
outside of my comfort zone and be and become a leader.
So yeah, I would say.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
Well take us through.
Speaker 3 (17:04):
Okay, so Temple, you guys aren't doing very well, but
you're doing very well.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
We're not.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
You were being recruited, right, like you had some people,
you had some buzz runner name you. Yeah, how did
your teammates, impeer react to that?
Speaker 1 (17:24):
As far as he was staying and not jumping, shoot,
not even that.
Speaker 3 (17:27):
Like just as far as like some people in situations
that I was a part of, like some people weren't always.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
Happy that I was having success. You know what I'm saying, Like,
how was that over there? I feel like, did you
feel that?
Speaker 4 (17:42):
I feel like everybody felt like everybody was happy that
I had the success because it was also bringing like
eyes towards them too, because like scouts, like recent bull
scout was at the game, like East West Trian Bowl
was at the game, and they're also like they're looking
at me, but to also see it like if somebody
else make a play, they're also looking at them too
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for the next for the next Senior Bowl or the
next Reces Bowl. Like I have I have scouts come
talk to me about Duane Black and he's a d
N on our team and he's going crazy right now.
So like just like that notoriety that's bringing to the
other people is what it's all about.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
My other teams you never had, you never faced any
of that, Like you know, no.
Speaker 4 (18:27):
Yeah, nobody, nobody ever, Like it was never like any
bad blood. Like everybody was happy for me, Like everybody,
uh congratulated me when I got drafted that sort of thing,
or the like I got invited to your Senior Bowl.
I got invited to the East West Trian Bowl, but
I ended up turning my bicep like second the last game,
so I didn't play in any of those.
Speaker 5 (18:47):
So it was just not so having the goal originally
aiming towards an Alabama time. Yeah, in the era of nil,
were you approached by these schools and offered a bag
at some point?
Speaker 4 (18:59):
Oh yeah, how I don't want to say this school name, but.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
It was school blank, school blank. How they approach you.
They dangled this carrot in.
Speaker 4 (19:06):
Front of your face, right yeah, like d M vanish Mode,
DM DM vanish Mode.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
No talk about it because we we and I we
left and started. Oh yeah yeah two two true. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
It was crazy.
Speaker 4 (19:25):
It was crazy. Like I had a coach d M
me and Vanish Mode. He said, get Hop on a
FaceTime call with him. Talk to him a little bit.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
You don't want any tracks.
Speaker 4 (19:35):
So what I'm saying, Hop on a FaceTime called me
ended up doing a FaceTime called put me on the
phone with the head coach. He's like, yeah, we can
offer you six hundred thousand to come here. And I'm
assuming that's more than you were making at Temple way more.
I didn't make anything at Temple. Yeah, I can't make
anything at No, no, no. And you gotta that's you
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gotta look in the mirror as a man.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
Yeah and honest.
Speaker 5 (20:02):
And it's gonna lead to my next question here eventually.
But like you see guys now in college football playing six, seven, eight, nine.
Speaker 4 (20:14):
Years or some days, the Miami type, the Miami Titan,
get crazy.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
I played, I played against them here. Crazy. But I
wish him the best. But I'm saying people are playing
college football longer because six hundred grand as a senior
in college, he is more money than Peace Squad check right.
Speaker 4 (20:38):
I feel like one hundred ms in college I was staying.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
But and like look at it, like, okay, let's bring
up Colorado dudes right now.
Speaker 5 (20:47):
Like, yeah, I don't know what Sanders actually is making,
but like his evaluation, oh yeah yeah, like in four
plus new his evaluation is like four or five six.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
Man, he's making website alright.
Speaker 4 (20:58):
More than that, he's probably making more than that. More
than that, so I was watching TV. I seen them
on a Microsoft Oh he.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
Misspracticed to go to a fashion show in Paris. Was crazy,
different categories. We'll get into that. But why did you
not bite on the cheese? Because I think that tells
a lot about your character. Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (21:17):
That's why when I went to the draft, a lot
of scouts asked me why didn't you leave? Like every
scout asked me, why didn't you leave? Why didn't you leave?
My same answer was I just wanted to play with
my brothers. You know, I didn't really care about the
money at the time. But I feel like a lot
of people get caught up in the money. At the
end of the day, I was trying to make it
to the league. I feel like a lot of people
get caught up nowadays worrying about the money of the
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NIL and forget about the main purpose of why they're
playing football, is that to.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
Get to that bigger level of the NFL.
Speaker 3 (21:45):
Well that's even a bigger point though, Like you didn't
feel like you'd have a better chance to make the
NFL went to a bigger school.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
I mean, yeah, but like you got to think about it.
Speaker 4 (21:54):
The scouts were also they were still coming to Temple,
so like it wasn't like we were just out there.
If we were just out the equation, he I think
about transferring boom boom, But we weren't out the equation
like teams. We had multiple like scouts coming every day
asking about me, asking about one of my other linebackers,
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asking about the tight end, like shout out to them,
like they're doing great, but like it was crazy like
they they still showed up every day to watch this
play even though we weren't doing that good.
Speaker 3 (22:28):
So you said that you tore your bice up, getting
into like what what was going through you like mentally,
Like did you think you were going to drop in
the draft? Like do you think like, oh, I can't go,
I can't perform in these these things? Like what was
going through your mind when you tore your bicep?
Speaker 4 (22:44):
I was angry, Bro, I was really angry, bro. Like
I was like like the first couple of days, Bro,
Like when it first happened, Bro, I was like, I'm
like like, damn, I'm about to miss I'm about to
miss the biggest moment moment of my life.
Speaker 1 (22:58):
Bro, and like just to think about it, like.
Speaker 4 (23:04):
It was crazy. Bro, I ain't gonna lie like I
was thinking. I was, like, I was just think about
it the other day for real. It's like how everything
played out, like me missing the Singer Bowl, me missing
the East West Shrine Bowl, training for the training for
the combine, like I didn't even know if I was
gonna do the combine.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
Yeah, and just being.
Speaker 4 (23:23):
Able to have that resilience and just keep fighting. You know,
I ended up making making it back in time for
the combine. I ran a four or five five.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
I did good.
Speaker 4 (23:33):
Of course I wanted to run a four to four,
but you know, uh, God had of the godhead of
the plans, So did that? Jumped a good forty Uh,
drills look good, and I you know, I just I
just tried my best and that was that's all I.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
Said at the end of the day. No, I mean
it speaks volumes to your character for sure. Like I
think it's much easier said than done.
Speaker 5 (24:01):
Yeah, you already talked about the carrot that was dangling
in front of your face that didn't you didn't invite
on And if I'm an NFL scout.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
Which I'm not, but the similar to similar to recruiting,
you're you're you're recruiting.
Speaker 5 (24:17):
Yes, stars and athletes and guys who do good at
camps and have good highlight tapes. But one of the
hardest things is recruiting people's character of are they going
to be an asset to your team? Are they a
cancer in the locker room? And I think I always
use the example of like O line, Okay, because in
high school, if you're a big dude, you're good at
O line.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
Yeah, bring in.
Speaker 5 (24:40):
If you out a school like Temple, I feel like
you could relate sort of to present state in this
sense where you're not a top twenty five program guaranteed
every year, like you got to string together some wins
to get into that.
Speaker 1 (24:53):
Right. So when you're an O line, when you bring
in ten ten olignment that are all six five, three hundred,
whatever the hell it is, right, they're usually coming a
little lightly. Why is it nine of them are not
good alignment? Right? They're they're squishy, or they don't have
that mindset, or they can't get the playbook.
Speaker 5 (25:14):
It's it's like all you know as a recruiting coordinator
for bringing in O line is this guy six five
three hundred and he blocks high school dudes pretty good,
but some dudes don't have what it takes and it's
really a lottery. But when you have this huge attribute,
this huge bullet point of like, like you said, guys
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are asking why did you not leave? Like, I think
God does have a plan and obviously it's it is
going to work in fruition for yourself and whatnot, but
it is much easier said than done, and like it
does lead to me saying to your experience of you know,
if you run a four or five at Fresno State
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and jump through the roof and have a thousand yards
receive whatever the hell it is at President State, and
then you do the same thing at Alabama, they're viewing
you differently.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
Yeah, millions of dollars differently.
Speaker 5 (26:10):
That's difference between being a first rounder and a maybe
sixth rounder maybe steal as an undrafted So glad we
got that.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
Guy, hard worker, blah blah blah blah.
Speaker 5 (26:22):
Like when you don't come from this top, top tier
program necessarily not saying Temple is not our friends of states,
not they are, but now we play Alabama and ball out,
you're gonna get drafted.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
Yeah, you're not, and I just did.
Speaker 2 (26:35):
I just did a draft little thing like.
Speaker 1 (26:37):
My ack, a mock draft. Yeah. Yeah, No, I'm saying
like it's it's tough, it's hard.
Speaker 5 (26:43):
So staying at Temple, you also bet on yourself saying
I didn't go to a bigger name school.
Speaker 4 (26:48):
It's gonna be harder to get drafted at where they're
gonna look at the character.
Speaker 1 (26:52):
They're gonna look at the character. Yeah, what I'm saying.
And that was the main thing.
Speaker 4 (26:54):
That's like a lot of a lot of players nowadays
get the misconception of like you have to have a
good character, you have to have a high character, like
you have to be a high character person to for
teams to really want to if they're really trying to
build a culture, that type of culture like high character guys,
because usually high character guys stay in the lead the longest.
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Guys that really care about what they do, Guys that
care about what other people do and how they treat
other people Like that's the type of character that gms
and owners want to bring in to their to their environment.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
Do you think character can get you drafted over skill
or or or forty times?
Speaker 2 (27:36):
But that's hard.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
But a guy Okay, let's let's let's do a scenario.
Let's do a scenario. Let's do a scenario.
Speaker 5 (27:41):
Okay, okay, guy runs the four to three, Yeah, jumps
the house had a good had a thousand yards receiving.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
Okay, that's guy. A guy b runs a four to four,
had six hundred yards receiving. But he's captain the dude.
Speaker 5 (27:57):
The leader coaches rave about him, he's loyal, he does
all these things.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
They're going to take him, are they?
Speaker 4 (28:05):
Though?
Speaker 2 (28:06):
I think I think it comes down to what we
talked about, the school.
Speaker 4 (28:10):
You do that, you do that, you out school, the
competition to who is who is he playing against.
Speaker 3 (28:16):
Exactly what I'm saying, they're going to compare to SEC
as NFL ready. That's that's kind of like that's kind
of like the misconception NFL ready. If you play in
the SEC, Yeah, you know, you're a development guy playing
like the G five.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
So that's kind of like, you know, like the SEC
is the closest thing to the NFL.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
Yeah, And I and like I'm being realistically it is
you know what I'm saying, Like you gotta be honest
with you.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
I think Sip explained it really well when we talked
to him about it.
Speaker 4 (28:44):
But I think what the difference like SEC and G five,
Like the main difference is the trenches.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
Yeah, that's always.
Speaker 4 (28:54):
It's the D O line D line, the size of them,
like they're like in the SEC they're huge, yeah, but
in G five you might have like one or two
that's huge. But everybody else is like high lode, regular size.
Like that's what I'm saying. But the skilled players, everybody
is good, Like like G five skill players could be at.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
Yeah they could. They could do in the SEC, yeah
for sure.
Speaker 3 (29:17):
So and that that's that's something that I mean, it's
it's all you know, you see guys now and it's
even more apparent now because people transfer now. You know,
you see all these guys all he came from this school,
he came from that school. And it's like, oh okay,
like that's regular trenches. I mean, you'll be in the
league long enough, you'll hear it. I Mean you hear
coach talkaball all the time. The game is one in
the trenches.
Speaker 5 (29:37):
So in today's era now where guys are transferring like crazy, right,
because I'll turn on a college football game and it'll
highlight a player and it'll be like he's in his
fifth season.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
He played two years here, one year here, one year here,
now he's here.
Speaker 5 (29:51):
Ezy. I'm wondering, and I don't think we're there yet.
We're scouts and gms have to analyze this and say,
do we want a guy who keeps jumping ship?
Speaker 4 (30:02):
Scouts don't want to see that. But is it a
difference maker?
Speaker 1 (30:06):
I don't know yet.
Speaker 3 (30:08):
I want to say it is, but then you look
at the result and these guys are still getting drafted.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (30:14):
I So, you know, I think like, if you're a
junior in high school listening to this and you're gonna
commit to a school, are you going into it saying
I'm gonna commit here, I'm gonna play four years here.
Are you gonna say I'm a freshman and I'm not
getting the love that they promised me and changing.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
So if you're if you did, let's say you were
blessed enough to jump from school to school to school
to school and start and become the dude and get drafted.
Speaker 5 (30:41):
Well, now you get to the NFL and you can't
just press the eject button and go to another We
are you gonna go to Canada.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
I just my whole thing about it is you're a community.
Speaker 3 (30:52):
When you're coming up into the league, they always tell you, like, oh,
less than one percent make it to the league, Like
you know, it's gonna be really tough for you to
to the league. Like I know you want to be
in the NFL, but like, what's a realistic job? You know,
what's the realistic career for you? I mean if you
hear that your whole life and someone offers you half
a million dollars to go to school, like I might
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not make the league anyways, I might as well go
collect this bag.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
Well I can't you know that that. That's that's my
only argument with it.
Speaker 3 (31:19):
It's like what about the kids who come from those
hard upbringings, who, you know, I might just be projected
as a special team player, who maybe I'll be on
practice squad. I can make more money if I just
go to this school. I can transfer to that school.
So that's kind of where I go back and forth
with it, where it's like I get it, Like I
understand it, man. I mean we were there, we didn't
have anything else, So like I understand, like you know, grind,
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you know, go through those times. You know, it's an
ability to character get to hear, But like I also
feel for that kid, Like what about that kid who
maybe he's not good enough to make it to the league.
You know, you never know, but you know what I'm saying,
Maybe he's not projected to make it to the league,
but he's gonna make a million dollars in college. You know, Like,
how do you keep that kid for transferring? And that's
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kind of like that's kind of where I feel to
both sides of it.
Speaker 1 (32:06):
Yeah, there's some good.
Speaker 5 (32:08):
I mean, quarterbacks the position you could highlight the most
obviously because it's one dude. You look at some guys
where like they were backups at Wisconsin and now they
transferred to an Illinois and they're bawling and they're they're
not projected to get drafted out of the top you know,
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four rounds, and it's like, yeah they are. They're making
a million dollars at a Big ten school to be
their quarterback. That probably is a good business decision for
them realistically. But at the same time, what if you
go and you just can beat out Boise State. I
know we don't like saying that word, but like Boise
State brought in a five star, five star quarterback who
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is a backup at USC. Okay, yeah this year that
there's a five star quarterback for USC. He transferred to
Boise You hear five star it's got start right, yeah, yeah,
back out for sure, got beat out, beat out, got
beat out by a dude who I don't I don't
know how many stars he had. And they're winning, They're
projected to go to the playoff and all this. I
hope they have to run through the dogs to get
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there in the Mountain worsch Championship for usual. But like
we'll cross that visual we need to. But I'm saying
like they they don't. Grass isn't always greener like it.
Speaker 1 (33:23):
It's trying to find path and you know that's the
that's the price of doing business.
Speaker 3 (33:30):
I feel like right now I want to transition. Like
you know, you're a rookie. You know my rookie shoutout.
We give you a lot of joking around. It's always left.
But as I've been talking to you and getting to
know you and hamp and everybody, like I've been hearing like, man,
you you've been through a lot of adversity. Man, you
tore your peck. That's the league and you know you're
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in there, and then you messed up your nee. Like
you know what I'm saying, Like, what what has got
you through that? Like in college? What has got you
through the What's what's how do you keep going? Because
I mean you show up every day, show up every
day ready to go, just like hamp and not. I mean,
like I said, I got nothing but love for both
of you too. And it's just like I want to know,
like for the people out there who who are in
situations where they're in similar situations where like they're injured
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or they're hurt, or they missed big events. You know,
I think they think it's over the world's ending. What
got you through those moments? You got to remember why?
That's I feel like that's the main thing. You got
to remember why, Like why are you playing football?
Speaker 4 (34:26):
For me, I love the game. I honestly love the game.
And like I didn't have a plan B Like a
lot of people have say get a plan and B
like you don't know if you're gonna make it in
the league, that type of thing. Well, but for me,
it was football, football, football. Since a young age, football
pop Warner middle school, high school, college, NFL.
Speaker 1 (34:51):
That's that was my plan. I didn't have a plan B.
Speaker 4 (34:54):
Like, of course I got my degree at Temple, but
like all I care about was football, and I feel
like that was my main thing, my why. That was
my wife, to play for myself and my family name
on the back of my jersey. And I feel like
that's what got me through a lot of time, like
a hard a lot of hard times throughout college and
throughout the like the knee injury, like just to make
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it back on the field, like prove people wrong, that
type of thing. So like to the kids that's coming
up and going through a lot of adversity, bro, just
remember me a why. And I feel like you once
you fall back on that, y'll you'll like push through it.
Speaker 2 (35:32):
Anything else.
Speaker 3 (35:33):
Yeah, just wrapping up, I mean, man, you gotta talk
to stud man.
Speaker 2 (35:38):
We went through the most wild game.
Speaker 3 (35:40):
Your first NFL game, man, Just like like this is
your this is this is his first NFL real live
action game.
Speaker 4 (35:46):
Man.
Speaker 2 (35:46):
Just I mean, while we're wrapping up, man, you gotta
talk talk us through it, Take.
Speaker 1 (35:50):
Us through it. Bro.
Speaker 4 (35:52):
It was crazy, like starting the game off, you know,
getting in there, what do we start off, kickoff, kick off,
We started, we started off on kickoff, Like it was crazy,
Me and Mike running down, Uh, it was. It was crazy, man,
Just like going through that moment, like I was in
a preseason game, it wasn't that many fans in the
(36:13):
in the arena or the stadium, but like here, like
it was packed and like that you could feel the
atmosphere like we're five and two before the game five
and two, Like coming into it like it was crazy.
Just going through that type of atmosphere and having that
type of love in that environment was just like crazy.
Speaker 1 (36:34):
Like Mike came up, Like I talked to Mike before
every game like.
Speaker 4 (36:37):
Dap ub like let's go have a day blah blah blah,
Like even when I wasn't playing, so just it was
routine to do that when I was playing, so like
coming into it like it was crazy.
Speaker 1 (36:47):
Like just just having fun that was the main thing,
to go out there and have fun.
Speaker 4 (36:51):
And you know after like I ain't gonna lie I honestly,
like I know you you're not supposed to think about
it like that, but like the game on stop to
the cockake zero zero and but like in certain situations
you think about like, damn, Like, we just gave him
the game. But after that, after I ain't gonna After that,
(37:12):
I ran out on I was on the sideline. Bro.
Speaker 1 (37:15):
I ran out on the field and jumped in the stands. Bro.
Speaker 4 (37:18):
That was that was like, that was probably the most
craziest game I've ever been a part of, Bro, the
one that Yeah, shout out to j D five and
know what, man, they made it happen.
Speaker 2 (37:28):
Man, first his first NFL ever?
Speaker 1 (37:32):
Was your first game?
Speaker 2 (37:32):
First game?
Speaker 1 (37:33):
Yeah, I played on one.
Speaker 4 (37:34):
I played against the Jets for like two drives because
I tore my meniscus first play.
Speaker 5 (37:39):
I tore live regular season and if you're first playing preseason,
you tore your miniscus, yes, and then you came back
in today.
Speaker 1 (37:46):
So today and I want to recap for the audience,
and like I want to go out tonight. Yeah tomorrow.
We had time to We had time.
Speaker 2 (37:53):
Give me a little time.
Speaker 1 (37:55):
Wash the commanders five and two.
Speaker 5 (37:57):
Congratulations by the way, everyone, six sixteen.
Speaker 1 (38:01):
I'm a big I'm a I'm a comedy fan.
Speaker 4 (38:03):
Bro.
Speaker 1 (38:04):
I got I get her. Yeah, you got the beanie.
And I say they spend two hundred dollars out of
the stadium too. But that's nice. Go check out d
m V crab Cakes out there, bro, It's for It
was a good recommend. The crab Legs. They have a two.
Speaker 5 (38:17):
It's like little egg rolls, crab Legs, a little little
dip delicious. And then the lady, her name was like
Benita or something, which Bonita is Spanish for beautiful. Yeah,
it was like a ninety five year old black lady.
So I was like, might a been nicknamed? She's like,
you should get the case to do it too, And
I'm like, it's twenty six dollars, bro.
Speaker 2 (38:38):
She's like six dollars.
Speaker 5 (38:39):
Like do you come to these games often? I said, probably,
not coming back for a little bit. She was get
the case it's so good, and I'm like, I get
the case of Delicious. All that to be said the
six and two Commanders Bears tonight. It's a big game,
big game, big game. Uh, you got should have been
(39:00):
up forty to nothing. Didn't happen the goal line stop.
Speaker 1 (39:04):
Mike was in on it. Yeah, my guy might might
have caught. He was on a hippo.
Speaker 2 (39:09):
I think it was.
Speaker 5 (39:09):
I think they said, hey, they got I said, they said,
we got the agile cat and we got to do
some Mike came in downhill, great fourth round stop.
Speaker 1 (39:17):
But Caleb came down and scored, and things weren't looking good.
Right thing you said, let's be real, Let's be let's
be real. Everybody like the winds knocked out of you.
I took a red eye to get here today. Bro
was in a freso stay game. I haven't slept dying. Great,
Yeah you hear my voice. Yeah, I slept two hours
(39:37):
of Atlanta airport. It had five guys at four fifty
five am this morning. Disgusting, Bro greedy as well. Look
at the side of your hat it says stay gritty
on winning culture.
Speaker 5 (39:48):
Anyways, six and two washing the commanders, twenty seconds left,
people leaving.
Speaker 1 (39:53):
Yeah, Jesus take the wheel. What was the completion?
Speaker 2 (39:59):
Is that we do Zach first and Terry get outside
with sec seconds left.
Speaker 3 (40:05):
We're on the forty nine er on line. I know
our chance of winning was liked zero zero zero zero.
Speaker 1 (40:11):
It's because they couldn't put the word. They couldn't put
one hundred on it, because you can't put a hundred
on right that way, Bro, that whole play took at
least twenty seconds.
Speaker 5 (40:20):
I think it took a minute and a half, bro
if I thought he was gonna get sacked, and I
was like, oh, and then I said he was holding
it both for I saw.
Speaker 1 (40:25):
It Austin Eckler a flag I saw. I saw Austin Eckler.
When when jd rolled out Ostenacer turned around and he's
ready to He's ready to go Oklahoma. Joe ready to
go Oklahoma. Droll against anyth line. Mean that's coming. He
threw that, and I'm like, honestly, I had a little
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hope in my heart. I thought someone was going to
go up and snatch it. I thought I had a
little gut feeling. I was like, it feels feels good
right now, feels good right now. I didn't. I was
on the opposite end zone. My depth was off a
little bit. Bro. He caught everyone, and I didn't talk
to anybody. I was with the families and all that.
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I didn't talk to anybody the whole game besides Kim.
Speaker 5 (41:12):
And you know, I'm being social. Bought whoever your backup
center is. I bought his dad a beer, Like you know,
I'm making friends.
Speaker 1 (41:20):
But after that catches it, everyone's looking around, like because
we wanted to see was our flag? It was he
in they call passed because they was calling.
Speaker 2 (41:29):
Some end of the game.
Speaker 1 (41:30):
Right catches that credown. I asked, I said, can we
rush the field? Can you rush the field in the
NFL game?
Speaker 2 (41:37):
You get arrested for that for everybody watching, do not
rush the field.
Speaker 5 (41:40):
I'm just saying I was prepared and run because if
there was a rush of the field moment for a
regular season game, that was that was.
Speaker 1 (41:47):
I mean, they wouldn't be able to arrest everybody do.
Speaker 5 (41:51):
If everybody just up the field would have hit a
point with the head security guy would have set over
the headset.
Speaker 1 (41:57):
It would have just let it go, like just let
him go.
Speaker 2 (41:59):
Just I would have went. Everyone would have followed you.
It would have been I'm not a good leader.
Speaker 3 (42:04):
I'm telling you, like, I'm glad you didn't get arrested
because I would have to take you out of jail.
Speaker 2 (42:08):
But other than that, you know, yeah, kind of.
Speaker 1 (42:13):
So you see him catch it, what's your first thing
I did. It's hot.
Speaker 4 (42:18):
I looked back at like where JD was to see
if there was a flag. See, that's like the first reaction.
Speaker 2 (42:26):
You realized long not to have a flag I'm.
Speaker 1 (42:29):
Looking at the ball in the air. I see him
catch it.
Speaker 4 (42:32):
I'm like, oh, I turned back, I look no flag.
I ran on the field, ran on the field, start
hugging everybody. Anybody seen hugging everybody.
Speaker 2 (42:41):
Then I ran.
Speaker 4 (42:42):
I'm like, yo, I ain't never jump in his hands
before jumped in the stands. Jump was a sense hugging
fans like.
Speaker 1 (42:50):
It was crazy. It was a crazy moment.
Speaker 3 (42:52):
Son.
Speaker 2 (42:52):
I won't forget thirty seconds, bro, I see it.
Speaker 4 (42:55):
It's okay with me like this, I'm a it was crazy,
like that was probably the most like I remember that moment.
Speaker 1 (43:03):
Forever the rest of my ill remember that moment. Yeah,
it was crazy. Everyone knows about this game. It was
like both and I'm like.
Speaker 4 (43:08):
Dude, got my money's worth one hundred percent, hundred percent, yeah,
one hundred percent.
Speaker 1 (43:15):
Hey, I appreciate you. I appreciate you.
Speaker 2 (43:17):
I appreciate both of you. My request, man, y'all showed up. Bro,
y'all show love, ma, that's the love.
Speaker 4 (43:22):
Appreciate all these boys on the GRAM, all these boys
on the graand Jordan McGee six, Sir
All right, alright, alright, still East Coast bringing juice to
this right now here. Just had to watch the commanders
have a nice little dub against the Chicago pairs. Uh,
we'll get into that in the sect. Mike, good to
have you back as a co host. Want you to
produce our guests.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Man, love to be on man, I love to see you, Frank,
thanks Mike, Jake. Man. So right now we're to bring
up my boy man the Ghee. Man.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
I can't say enough. Just like him, you know, my
real rookie you know, came as a linebacker. We have
really similar things. We'll get into, but yeah, man, just
say what's up to the people?
Speaker 1 (00:34):
Man, what's up?
Speaker 4 (00:35):
Man? I appreciate you hell for having me and let's
get it man, jam McGinn the building.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
Hey, you look good in.
Speaker 5 (00:39):
That hat, Bro, I appreciate no, Diddy, you look good
at make sure we might throw that on the website.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
Bro, that's some good on you too, like he's on
you too good. No, no, no, no no, he make
sure you get some headshots.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
Of dam too.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
Okay, all right, thanks shake, Hey McGee, let's talk about this.
So where are you from? Over Delaware? That's right?
Speaker 4 (00:59):
Talk earlier.
Speaker 5 (01:00):
Yes, Sarah, I don't like that though, So Dover Delaware,
let's just start the same way. Where's that rank in
the top ten states of high school recruits. It's out
of seventeen. It's out of the top ten seventeen.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
Keep going.
Speaker 4 (01:14):
It's probably we're very underrecruited, very underrecruited.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Under recruited, oh for sure.
Speaker 4 (01:23):
Now, like when it was my like my class, it
was more my class, it was more it was more
like it was more hard to really make it out.
But nowadays, like you got a lot of people, like
a couple of kids going to South Carolina getting recruited big,
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big time, like four star recruits and stuff. But around
my time, I was a three star recruit and I
was like the second highest.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
Rated player in the state. Yeah, so.
Speaker 4 (01:56):
We had Marshawn Lloyd that was I think he was
the first, but he had went to Maryland and transferred
to the Damatha So like, I feel like I was
the only one for so because there's less there's less
competition at the elite level.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
And yeah, it was it a culture shock.
Speaker 5 (02:12):
Then, going from old's back track, was it harder to
get recruited because of the lack of competition.
Speaker 4 (02:19):
Uh yeah, the lack of competition and the state is
so small, it's not a lot of teams there, so
like and we're not playing any big time teams, like
I think the Middletown that's the school in Delaware they
played IMG so that was like the biggest game, like
they like piped it up so big Middletown, Like it
was crazy.
Speaker 5 (02:39):
I always thought, for some reason, I don't know, I
thought this is like a little kids where if I
wanted to go win a state championship, I'd go to
Rhode Island and win a state championship every dayh.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
High schools in Rhode Island be a lot seven.
Speaker 4 (02:53):
Yeah, I haven't heard anybody from Rhoe Island. Like in
the NFL, I don't know anybody from Rhode Island.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
So what brought you to Temple though? Was it like
the only spa or was it like what made you
go to Temple.
Speaker 4 (03:05):
I want to say it's not the only spot I
got recruited, but I'll say it was the best opportunity
to come in. You know, at the time, they had
a coach, Jeff Collins, he was the head coach at
the time. They had a good record. You know, but
I think the main thing that made me come to
Temple was the culture. It was that brotherhood that were
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that we're striving to have here at the at the Commanders,
And I think that that played a big part of
me coming to Temple. And I felt like it was
good for me to really get out of Delaware, not
stay in Delaware because the other three offers that I
had was ud University of Delaware, Morgan State, and uh
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Delaware State University. So those three schools, Temple was the
best school that we had that year. My freshman year.
We had four players drafted that year. Oh yeah, okay, wow,
so I was You're on a high.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
You were on a high.
Speaker 4 (04:01):
Yeh, So I was the first player draft in like
four years from Temple.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
Nice congratulation, crazy, that's great. That's big time man.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
Delaware State. One thing, the ones who played Hawaii this year. Yeah,
Fresno State.
Speaker 5 (04:11):
We play Hawaii every other year, right and from Fresno
to Hawaii is a five hour flight, Okay. And what
you know, if you play in the Mountain West and
you play Hawaii every year, you go play at Hawaii,
it's a trap game because the flight they usually put.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
You in a nice hotel on the let you leave,
don't let you leave. Turn your window. And I've never
been to Hawaii like recreationally, so so I'm out there
and I'm it's like prison, almost, bro, and you're there
to play foot William.
Speaker 5 (04:43):
Nobody goes to the games and we we just got
to play in uh A Loha Stadium for yeah, which
is where they used to have the Pro Bowl out,
So they have a big NFL stadium with nobody in it.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
Now they got rid of it, juice, Yeah, they got
rid of it, and now they play it like this
high school. It was where we practiced for the Hawaii Bowl.
Speaker 5 (05:01):
No way, Yes, that's where they play it now, which
is I'm not kidding's a high school stadium.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
Not throwing the shade. But with that being said, it
is really hard to go play there because and you
kick off at eight pm. They do that on purpose.
So eight pm in Hawaii is it's crazy, but it's
it's eleven in Fresno, eleven in Cali.
Speaker 5 (05:22):
So when I saw Delaware State, usually you go on
a Thursday to get acclimated to the time and all that. Well,
I don't have my fact checker on me right now.
But Delaware to Hawaii is a long ways like.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
Probably like three thousand miles or something. Fourteen. No, that's
too much.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
No, I think it's ten us.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
No, it's a I looked up. It was an eleven
hour flight. I want to say, Okay, there you go.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
So basically ten hour.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
That is crazy.
Speaker 5 (05:50):
In the football game, Mike, they missed their flight, they
missed the flame, they didn't.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
Get to go a day early.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
How do you miss a flight if it's a private.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
Bus broke down? What do they call it? The yes?
Speaker 2 (06:08):
Okay, also the uber.
Speaker 5 (06:14):
But also just for the team, why didn't the pilot
just wait, hey, we'll just go in an hour?
Speaker 1 (06:19):
In effect, have so many unanswered questions. I just see
it on Twitter.
Speaker 5 (06:25):
I sometimes do these, you know, it's lockinghead videos for
I go on a little rant about some bullet and
I'm like, yo, bro.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
Insane.
Speaker 5 (06:33):
And for people who don't know the Hawaii situation. When
I'm betting on games and I see a team that
never played out Hawaii and they're.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
Like, oh, yeah, you know, they're the Hawaii's. Maybe they're
not that good this year, I'm like, they're gonna get
culture shocked right now, and they might get punched in
the mouth off like Hawaii used to be nice. Hawaii
is They're a constant track.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
Always they're they're definitely they always knock off, like the
Top Mountain West like Hawaii, Nevada, like they're.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
Should be playing.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
Well that's why this week, you know we're gonna we're
gonna watch State. Yeah, we're watching but.
Speaker 5 (07:07):
Yeah, anyways, sorry to get off topic there or the other,
but with Temple Temple, tell me about timp Okay, so
were you guys winning your conference and all that that.
Speaker 1 (07:15):
Period of time too as well?
Speaker 4 (07:16):
What na that my freshman year we didn't win the conference?
We I don't think we The last time we won
the conference was like twenty sixteen. I think that's when
they had Dionne Dawkins for the Bills.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
Tyler matic Kevid I think he's on the Sailors right now.
Speaker 4 (07:32):
They had a lot of people, some dudes, Hassan Reddick
like hey, yeah, people, Yeah, it's crazy, Like Temple Temple
is like a known school, Like a lot of scouts
come there during like fall training and like like right
now in this time and like it's crazy to think
about because like now the program is not really how
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it used to be right, because like I, that's like
the culture. It was a culture shift once Collins left
and once once we got a new coach, Coach Carrie.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
I feel like a lot of things changed.
Speaker 5 (08:10):
You know.
Speaker 4 (08:10):
I had the opportunity to leave, but I didn't. I
ended up staying because I just wanted to play with
my brothers. That's all I thought about. Like I was
thinking about nil and think about like transferring and getting
money from other people.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
I just wanted to play with my brothers, and that's
all I wanted to do.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
I think. Okay, so the biggest thing we keep talking
about is culture.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
When I first came to the league in twenty twenty COVID,
everyone asked me, what's the biggest difference. The biggest difference
in the NFL and where I was at was like
I went to work, I went home, I went to
the draw, I went to the games. I thought to Frank.
I would call Frank on my drive home, like y'all
just played a football game. I'm on traffic, stuck in
traffic going home, like there was no like, you know,
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it wasn't really that much brotherhood. I don't think it's
it's not it's not a shock to those guys.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
It was COVID.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
So like, talk to us about how your transition is
with the Commanders to college football, because I feel like
it's we're doing a really good job at it. But
I don't think there's any NFL team that can match
college like the culture.
Speaker 5 (09:13):
Maybe maybe like prime Bill Belichick when they were like
had the Patriot Way. Like we've interviewed dudes who were
there in that era of the Patriot Way, and dudes,
certain guys didn't want to play for the Patriots because
he treated it like a college cultural almost Okay, fall
camp in college, right, yeah, I'm summer ball in college,
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like winter conditioning right like that, like right at the
same time, I mean they did have a dynasty, right,
Like you.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
Don't go through that in the NFL.
Speaker 4 (09:42):
Like you don't go through fall camp, the hard, hard
days of fall camp two a days. You don't go
through winter training in the NFL. So like just going
through that with your brothers and having your brothers to
lean on. I feel like that's the difference between the
NFL and college like college like like Bama. Like when
we was talking about Obama, Nick Saban, like that culture,
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it was crazy, like everybody knew that if you went
to Bama.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
Was probably get drafted.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
Drafted, you was gonna win win a lot of games.
Speaker 4 (10:14):
Yes, you was gonna win a lot of games at
Bama just because how they did things. And we always
knew that as like Bama the powerhouse, there was always
number one. Like my dream school was Bama. I wanted
to go to Bama. That didn't work out, but I
went to Temple and it was at the moment at
the time, it was a lot of brotherhood.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
There's a lot of culture that I could that I
could like have my focus on. So like.
Speaker 4 (10:41):
I wasn't really going out there to play for the money.
I was going out there to play with my brothers
at the end of the day. And I feel like
that's the main thing for like the NFL to college
is that is that culture, that brotherhood that a lot
of teams are missing. But I feel like Dan Quinn
is doing a great job of emphasizing that brotherhood and
that culture and really.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
Bringing it back to the Washington commanders well, taking us
like keeping us on the culture track. Talk to us
about the single digit numbers at Temple. Yeah, single digit
numbers at Temple.
Speaker 4 (11:13):
That's like the highest tradition you can earn at Temple,
you know, being recognized by your peers as a leader
on and off the field, the toughest of the tough
just going out there every day and giving it your
all no matter the circumstances. You know, we could be
up by forty, we'll get down by forty and you know,
you still have that same mentality all the time. And
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I feel like, you know, when I was at Temple,
I got voted single digit two times in a row,
twenty twenty two, twenty twenty three, and it was it
was a blessing to be looked at by my peers
as one of those individuals, one of those single digits.
Because when I was going, when I was a freshman,
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you know, we had Sean Bradley, We had Chappelle Russell,
he was with us for a little bit. We had
guys like that in my LB room. So like just
learning from them was crazy, you know, And I feel
like I feel like I learned a lot from them.
And so is it something where I wasn't familiar with that?
(12:18):
So is it something like could they take away your
single digit or technically that doesn't happen. Nah, Technically that technically,
technically that doesn't happen, but I think it happened sometime
like last year they took away from my single digit.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
But you have to uphold that standard. You have to
uphold the standard like that.
Speaker 4 (12:39):
That like when you get like sworn in basically like
you're basically like on the phone with all the past
single digits and like you're basically like, yeah, you're getting
sworn in type of thing.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
See yeah for so for I mean take us through it.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
So for a lot of guys, like you know, we're
West Coast guys, you know, like we're not really familiar
with Temple. Like I was three in college. I think
I liked them number three like it's black. I'm a
single number Temple, Like it's a whole different like in situation,
like what's take us through that? Like people who don't
know so like the single digits.
Speaker 4 (13:10):
Man, it's crazy because like like I said, you're looked
at as your peers, as like one of the leaders,
like the toughest guys. You know, you'll never quit that
type of thing, like greatness doesn't quit. That was like
our model back then, like my freshman year. But like
it's like I don't I don't know how to explain it.
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Like it's just like, uh, what's the word. I can't
I can't really think about it, Like it ain't just
for the looks, like it means yeah, like it means something.
It's like it's very important over there, Like that's like
the highest of the highest tradition and like only a
few people get to really be called a single digit
and it's a blessing to even be called that because
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you know, just to be looked at your peers as
one of the one of the leaders on the team,
you know, handle the adversity. Like me, I was the spokesperson.
Like we lost a lot when I was there. I
was the spokesperson for the losses. So like going out there,
you know, I just had to like encourage us and
things like that.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
But like it was tough.
Speaker 4 (14:15):
I ain't gonna lie, it was tough going through that,
like just losing, lose and losing. Like I think we
went three and nine after I think we went three
and nine from twenty twenty to two thousand my last
year there, so like four years.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
It's really easy to lead when everything is good.
Speaker 5 (14:36):
Yeah, it's really easy when you're all undefeated, you're a
one lost, two loss team and after the game you're saying, look,
let's keep doing it boys, right, It's it's it's simple,
it's easy. Right, It's hard to lead when it's hard.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
It's hard, true leaders to keep everybody together. It's hard,
true leaders, got you know you're you're hurting cattle.
Speaker 5 (15:01):
Having to check people, I think is one of the
most uncomfortable things you have to do, especially at the
college level, because in high school you're the dog and
you could check people and be like, I'm better than you.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
Yeah, so listen to me.
Speaker 5 (15:18):
Basically, right in college you can't really take that exact
same approach, like very few people can't. And the greats
are the great because of that, right, Like like the
the tom Brady's of the world, they could go and say, listen.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
To me, I'm Tom Brady, right, he had that ability
to say that. Natcha Mahomes has earned that role where
it's like you could bring any anybody from any position
in there.
Speaker 5 (15:42):
Ye, listen to me, like I Win, so listen to me,
because this is what it takes. And I just think
it's very difficult to be able to be a leader.
Win does hit the fan. That's that's that's a very
hard thing to do. So who are some leaders that
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you've idolized in your life that you kind of took
a page from their book and applied to yourself.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
Oh, that's all right.
Speaker 4 (16:12):
Like growing up a Ravens fan, because I was actually
born in Towsand Maryland, I was a big Ravens fan.
Speaker 5 (16:19):
You know.
Speaker 4 (16:19):
I was looking at leaders like Ed Reed and ray Lewis,
two of the best leaders all the time, and like
they played a big part and my development as leader.
And also I want to say my coach, Coach Drayton,
the one that got there after Coach Carry left in
twenty twenty two, he played a big part in my
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development as a leader because he wanted me to get
out my comfort zone.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
That was the main thing with him.
Speaker 4 (16:46):
He wanted he's seen that how everybody reacted to me
as like the leader that like that guy that everybody
can lean on. And he wanted me to really step
outside of my comfort zone and be and become a leader.
So yeah, I would say.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
Well take us through.
Speaker 3 (17:04):
Okay, so Temple, you guys aren't doing very well, but
you're doing very well.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
We're not.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
You were being recruited, right, like you had some people,
you had some buzz runner name you. Yeah, how did
your teammates, impeer react to that?
Speaker 1 (17:24):
As far as he was staying and not jumping, shoot,
not even that.
Speaker 3 (17:27):
Like just as far as like some people in situations
that I was a part of, like some people weren't always.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
Happy that I was having success. You know what I'm saying, Like,
how was that over there? I feel like, did you
feel that?
Speaker 4 (17:42):
I feel like everybody felt like everybody was happy that
I had the success because it was also bringing like
eyes towards them too, because like scouts, like recent bull
scout was at the game, like East West Trian Bowl
was at the game, and they're also like they're looking
at me, but to also see it like if somebody
else make a play, they're also looking at them too
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for the next for the next Senior Bowl or the
next Reces Bowl. Like I have I have scouts come
talk to me about Duane Black and he's a d
N on our team and he's going crazy right now.
So like just like that notoriety that's bringing to the
other people is what it's all about.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
My other teams you never had, you never faced any
of that, Like you know, no.
Speaker 4 (18:27):
Yeah, nobody, nobody ever, Like it was never like any
bad blood. Like everybody was happy for me, Like everybody,
uh congratulated me when I got drafted that sort of thing,
or the like I got invited to your Senior Bowl.
I got invited to the East West Trian Bowl, but
I ended up turning my bicep like second the last game,
so I didn't play in any of those.
Speaker 5 (18:47):
So it was just not so having the goal originally
aiming towards an Alabama time. Yeah, in the era of nil,
were you approached by these schools and offered a bag
at some point?
Speaker 4 (18:59):
Oh yeah, how I don't want to say this school name, but.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
It was school blank, school blank. How they approach you.
They dangled this carrot in.
Speaker 4 (19:06):
Front of your face, right yeah, like d M vanish Mode,
DM DM vanish Mode.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
No talk about it because we we and I we
left and started. Oh yeah yeah two two true. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
It was crazy.
Speaker 4 (19:25):
It was crazy. Like I had a coach d M
me and Vanish Mode. He said, get Hop on a
FaceTime call with him. Talk to him a little bit.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
You don't want any tracks.
Speaker 4 (19:35):
So what I'm saying, Hop on a FaceTime called me
ended up doing a FaceTime called put me on the
phone with the head coach. He's like, yeah, we can
offer you six hundred thousand to come here. And I'm
assuming that's more than you were making at Temple way more.
I didn't make anything at Temple. Yeah, I can't make
anything at No, no, no. And you gotta that's you
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gotta look in the mirror as a man.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
Yeah and honest.
Speaker 5 (20:02):
And it's gonna lead to my next question here eventually.
But like you see guys now in college football playing six, seven, eight, nine.
Speaker 4 (20:14):
Years or some days, the Miami type, the Miami Titan,
get crazy.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
I played, I played against them here. Crazy. But I
wish him the best. But I'm saying people are playing
college football longer because six hundred grand as a senior
in college, he is more money than Peace Squad check right.
Speaker 4 (20:38):
I feel like one hundred ms in college I was staying.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
But and like look at it, like, okay, let's bring
up Colorado dudes right now.
Speaker 5 (20:47):
Like, yeah, I don't know what Sanders actually is making,
but like his evaluation, oh yeah yeah, like in four
plus new his evaluation is like four or five six.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
Man, he's making website alright.
Speaker 4 (20:58):
More than that, he's probably making more than that. More
than that, so I was watching TV. I seen them
on a Microsoft Oh he.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
Misspracticed to go to a fashion show in Paris. Was crazy,
different categories. We'll get into that. But why did you
not bite on the cheese? Because I think that tells
a lot about your character. Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (21:17):
That's why when I went to the draft, a lot
of scouts asked me why didn't you leave? Like every
scout asked me, why didn't you leave? Why didn't you leave?
My same answer was I just wanted to play with
my brothers. You know, I didn't really care about the
money at the time. But I feel like a lot
of people get caught up in the money. At the
end of the day, I was trying to make it
to the league. I feel like a lot of people
get caught up nowadays worrying about the money of the
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NIL and forget about the main purpose of why they're
playing football, is that to.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
Get to that bigger level of the NFL.
Speaker 3 (21:45):
Well that's even a bigger point though, Like you didn't
feel like you'd have a better chance to make the
NFL went to a bigger school.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
I mean, yeah, but like you got to think about it.
Speaker 4 (21:54):
The scouts were also they were still coming to Temple,
so like it wasn't like we were just out there.
If we were just out the equation, he I think
about transferring boom boom, But we weren't out the equation
like teams. We had multiple like scouts coming every day
asking about me, asking about one of my other linebackers,
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asking about the tight end, like shout out to them,
like they're doing great, but like it was crazy like
they they still showed up every day to watch this
play even though we weren't doing that good.
Speaker 3 (22:28):
So you said that you tore your bice up, getting
into like what what was going through you like mentally,
Like did you think you were going to drop in
the draft? Like do you think like, oh, I can't go,
I can't perform in these these things? Like what was
going through your mind when you tore your bicep?
Speaker 4 (22:44):
I was angry, Bro, I was really angry, bro. Like
I was like like the first couple of days, Bro,
Like when it first happened, Bro, I was like, I'm
like like, damn, I'm about to miss I'm about to
miss the biggest moment moment of my life.
Speaker 1 (22:58):
Bro, and like just to think about it, like.
Speaker 4 (23:04):
It was crazy. Bro, I ain't gonna lie like I
was thinking. I was, like, I was just think about
it the other day for real. It's like how everything
played out, like me missing the Singer Bowl, me missing
the East West Shrine Bowl, training for the training for
the combine, like I didn't even know if I was
gonna do the combine.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
Yeah, and just being.
Speaker 4 (23:23):
Able to have that resilience and just keep fighting. You know,
I ended up making making it back in time for
the combine. I ran a four or five five.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
I did good.
Speaker 4 (23:33):
Of course I wanted to run a four to four,
but you know, uh, God had of the godhead of
the plans, So did that? Jumped a good forty Uh,
drills look good, and I you know, I just I
just tried my best and that was that's all I.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
Said at the end of the day. No, I mean
it speaks volumes to your character for sure. Like I
think it's much easier said than done.
Speaker 5 (24:01):
Yeah, you already talked about the carrot that was dangling
in front of your face that didn't you didn't invite
on And if I'm an NFL scout.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
Which I'm not, but the similar to similar to recruiting,
you're you're you're recruiting.
Speaker 5 (24:17):
Yes, stars and athletes and guys who do good at
camps and have good highlight tapes. But one of the
hardest things is recruiting people's character of are they going
to be an asset to your team? Are they a
cancer in the locker room? And I think I always
use the example of like O line, Okay, because in
high school, if you're a big dude, you're good at
O line.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
Yeah, bring in.
Speaker 5 (24:40):
If you out a school like Temple, I feel like
you could relate sort of to present state in this
sense where you're not a top twenty five program guaranteed
every year, like you got to string together some wins
to get into that.
Speaker 1 (24:53):
Right. So when you're an O line, when you bring
in ten ten olignment that are all six five, three hundred,
whatever the hell it is, right, they're usually coming a
little lightly. Why is it nine of them are not
good alignment? Right? They're they're squishy, or they don't have
that mindset, or they can't get the playbook.
Speaker 5 (25:14):
It's it's like all you know as a recruiting coordinator
for bringing in O line is this guy six five
three hundred and he blocks high school dudes pretty good,
but some dudes don't have what it takes and it's
really a lottery. But when you have this huge attribute,
this huge bullet point of like, like you said, guys
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are asking why did you not leave? Like, I think
God does have a plan and obviously it's it is
going to work in fruition for yourself and whatnot, but
it is much easier said than done, and like it
does lead to me saying to your experience of you know,
if you run a four or five at Fresno State
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and jump through the roof and have a thousand yards
receive whatever the hell it is at President State, and
then you do the same thing at Alabama, they're viewing
you differently.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
Yeah, millions of dollars differently.
Speaker 5 (26:10):
That's difference between being a first rounder and a maybe
sixth rounder maybe steal as an undrafted So glad we
got that.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
Guy, hard worker, blah blah blah blah.
Speaker 5 (26:22):
Like when you don't come from this top, top tier
program necessarily not saying Temple is not our friends of states,
not they are, but now we play Alabama and ball out,
you're gonna get drafted.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
Yeah, you're not, and I just did.
Speaker 2 (26:35):
I just did a draft little thing like.
Speaker 1 (26:37):
My ack, a mock draft. Yeah. Yeah, No, I'm saying
like it's it's tough, it's hard.
Speaker 5 (26:43):
So staying at Temple, you also bet on yourself saying
I didn't go to a bigger name school.
Speaker 4 (26:48):
It's gonna be harder to get drafted at where they're
gonna look at the character.
Speaker 1 (26:52):
They're gonna look at the character. Yeah, what I'm saying.
And that was the main thing.
Speaker 4 (26:54):
That's like a lot of a lot of players nowadays
get the misconception of like you have to have a
good character, you have to have a high character, like
you have to be a high character person to for
teams to really want to if they're really trying to
build a culture, that type of culture like high character guys,
because usually high character guys stay in the lead the longest.
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Guys that really care about what they do, Guys that
care about what other people do and how they treat
other people Like that's the type of character that gms
and owners want to bring in to their to their environment.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
Do you think character can get you drafted over skill
or or or forty times?
Speaker 2 (27:36):
But that's hard.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
But a guy Okay, let's let's let's do a scenario.
Let's do a scenario. Let's do a scenario.
Speaker 5 (27:41):
Okay, okay, guy runs the four to three, Yeah, jumps
the house had a good had a thousand yards receiving.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
Okay, that's guy. A guy b runs a four to four,
had six hundred yards receiving. But he's captain the dude.
Speaker 5 (27:57):
The leader coaches rave about him, he's loyal, he does
all these things.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
They're going to take him, are they?
Speaker 4 (28:05):
Though?
Speaker 2 (28:06):
I think I think it comes down to what we
talked about, the school.
Speaker 4 (28:10):
You do that, you do that, you out school, the
competition to who is who is he playing against.
Speaker 3 (28:16):
Exactly what I'm saying, they're going to compare to SEC
as NFL ready. That's that's kind of like that's kind
of like the misconception NFL ready. If you play in
the SEC, Yeah, you know, you're a development guy playing
like the G five.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
So that's kind of like, you know, like the SEC
is the closest thing to the NFL.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
Yeah, And I and like I'm being realistically it is
you know what I'm saying, Like you gotta be honest
with you.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
I think Sip explained it really well when we talked
to him about it.
Speaker 4 (28:44):
But I think what the difference like SEC and G five,
Like the main difference is the trenches.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
Yeah, that's always.
Speaker 4 (28:54):
It's the D O line D line, the size of them,
like they're like in the SEC they're huge, yeah, but
in G five you might have like one or two
that's huge. But everybody else is like high lode, regular size.
Like that's what I'm saying. But the skilled players, everybody
is good, Like like G five skill players could be at.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
Yeah they could. They could do in the SEC, yeah
for sure.
Speaker 3 (29:17):
So and that that's that's something that I mean, it's
it's all you know, you see guys now and it's
even more apparent now because people transfer now. You know,
you see all these guys all he came from this school,
he came from that school. And it's like, oh okay,
like that's regular trenches. I mean, you'll be in the
league long enough, you'll hear it. I Mean you hear
coach talkaball all the time. The game is one in
the trenches.
Speaker 5 (29:37):
So in today's era now where guys are transferring like crazy, right,
because I'll turn on a college football game and it'll
highlight a player and it'll be like he's in his
fifth season.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
He played two years here, one year here, one year here,
now he's here.
Speaker 5 (29:51):
Ezy. I'm wondering, and I don't think we're there yet.
We're scouts and gms have to analyze this and say,
do we want a guy who keeps jumping ship?
Speaker 4 (30:02):
Scouts don't want to see that. But is it a
difference maker?
Speaker 1 (30:06):
I don't know yet.
Speaker 3 (30:08):
I want to say it is, but then you look
at the result and these guys are still getting drafted.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (30:14):
I So, you know, I think like, if you're a
junior in high school listening to this and you're gonna
commit to a school, are you going into it saying
I'm gonna commit here, I'm gonna play four years here.
Are you gonna say I'm a freshman and I'm not
getting the love that they promised me and changing.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
So if you're if you did, let's say you were
blessed enough to jump from school to school to school
to school and start and become the dude and get drafted.
Speaker 5 (30:41):
Well, now you get to the NFL and you can't
just press the eject button and go to another We
are you gonna go to Canada.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
I just my whole thing about it is you're a community.
Speaker 3 (30:52):
When you're coming up into the league, they always tell you, like, oh,
less than one percent make it to the league, Like
you know, it's gonna be really tough for you to
to the league. Like I know you want to be
in the NFL, but like, what's a realistic job? You know,
what's the realistic career for you? I mean if you
hear that your whole life and someone offers you half
a million dollars to go to school, like I might
(31:13):
not make the league anyways, I might as well go
collect this bag.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
Well I can't you know that that. That's that's my
only argument with it.
Speaker 3 (31:19):
It's like what about the kids who come from those
hard upbringings, who, you know, I might just be projected
as a special team player, who maybe I'll be on
practice squad. I can make more money if I just
go to this school. I can transfer to that school.
So that's kind of where I go back and forth
with it, where it's like I get it, Like I
understand it, man. I mean we were there, we didn't
have anything else, So like I understand, like you know, grind,
(31:41):
you know, go through those times. You know, it's an
ability to character get to hear, But like I also
feel for that kid, Like what about that kid who
maybe he's not good enough to make it to the league.
You know, you never know, but you know what I'm saying,
Maybe he's not projected to make it to the league,
but he's gonna make a million dollars in college. You know, Like,
how do you keep that kid for transferring? And that's
(32:04):
kind of like that's kind of where I feel to
both sides of it.
Speaker 1 (32:06):
Yeah, there's some good.
Speaker 5 (32:08):
I mean, quarterbacks the position you could highlight the most
obviously because it's one dude. You look at some guys
where like they were backups at Wisconsin and now they
transferred to an Illinois and they're bawling and they're they're
not projected to get drafted out of the top you know,
(32:28):
four rounds, and it's like, yeah they are. They're making
a million dollars at a Big ten school to be
their quarterback. That probably is a good business decision for
them realistically. But at the same time, what if you
go and you just can beat out Boise State. I
know we don't like saying that word, but like Boise
State brought in a five star, five star quarterback who
(32:51):
is a backup at USC. Okay, yeah this year that
there's a five star quarterback for USC. He transferred to
Boise You hear five star it's got start right, yeah, yeah,
back out for sure, got beat out, beat out, got
beat out by a dude who I don't I don't
know how many stars he had. And they're winning, They're
projected to go to the playoff and all this. I
hope they have to run through the dogs to get
(33:13):
there in the Mountain worsch Championship for usual. But like
we'll cross that visual we need to. But I'm saying
like they they don't. Grass isn't always greener like it.
Speaker 1 (33:23):
It's trying to find path and you know that's the
that's the price of doing business.
Speaker 3 (33:30):
I feel like right now I want to transition. Like
you know, you're a rookie. You know my rookie shoutout.
We give you a lot of joking around. It's always left.
But as I've been talking to you and getting to
know you and hamp and everybody, like I've been hearing like, man,
you you've been through a lot of adversity. Man, you
tore your peck. That's the league and you know you're
(33:50):
in there, and then you messed up your nee. Like
you know what I'm saying, Like, what what has got
you through that? Like in college? What has got you
through the What's what's how do you keep going? Because
I mean you show up every day, show up every
day ready to go, just like hamp and not. I mean,
like I said, I got nothing but love for both
of you too. And it's just like I want to know,
like for the people out there who who are in
situations where they're in similar situations where like they're injured
(34:14):
or they're hurt, or they missed big events. You know,
I think they think it's over the world's ending. What
got you through those moments? You got to remember why?
That's I feel like that's the main thing. You got
to remember why, Like why are you playing football?
Speaker 4 (34:26):
For me, I love the game. I honestly love the game.
And like I didn't have a plan B Like a
lot of people have say get a plan and B
like you don't know if you're gonna make it in
the league, that type of thing. Well, but for me,
it was football, football, football. Since a young age, football
pop Warner middle school, high school, college, NFL.
Speaker 1 (34:51):
That's that was my plan. I didn't have a plan B.
Speaker 4 (34:54):
Like, of course I got my degree at Temple, but
like all I care about was football, and I feel
like that was my main thing, my why. That was
my wife, to play for myself and my family name
on the back of my jersey. And I feel like
that's what got me through a lot of time, like
a hard a lot of hard times throughout college and
throughout the like the knee injury, like just to make
(35:17):
it back on the field, like prove people wrong, that
type of thing. So like to the kids that's coming
up and going through a lot of adversity, bro, just
remember me a why. And I feel like you once
you fall back on that, y'll you'll like push through it.
Speaker 2 (35:32):
Anything else.
Speaker 3 (35:33):
Yeah, just wrapping up, I mean, man, you gotta talk
to stud man.
Speaker 2 (35:38):
We went through the most wild game.
Speaker 3 (35:40):
Your first NFL game, man, Just like like this is
your this is this is his first NFL real live
action game.
Speaker 4 (35:46):
Man.
Speaker 2 (35:46):
Just I mean, while we're wrapping up, man, you gotta
talk talk us through it, Take.
Speaker 1 (35:50):
Us through it. Bro.
Speaker 4 (35:52):
It was crazy, like starting the game off, you know,
getting in there, what do we start off, kickoff, kick off,
We started, we started off on kickoff, Like it was crazy,
Me and Mike running down, Uh, it was. It was crazy, man,
Just like going through that moment, like I was in
a preseason game, it wasn't that many fans in the
(36:13):
in the arena or the stadium, but like here, like
it was packed and like that you could feel the
atmosphere like we're five and two before the game five
and two, Like coming into it like it was crazy.
Just going through that type of atmosphere and having that
type of love in that environment was just like crazy.
Speaker 1 (36:34):
Like Mike came up, Like I talked to Mike before
every game like.
Speaker 4 (36:37):
Dap ub like let's go have a day blah blah blah,
Like even when I wasn't playing, so just it was
routine to do that when I was playing, so like
coming into it like it was crazy.
Speaker 1 (36:47):
Like just just having fun that was the main thing,
to go out there and have fun.
Speaker 4 (36:51):
And you know after like I ain't gonna lie I honestly,
like I know you you're not supposed to think about
it like that, but like the game on stop to
the cockake zero zero and but like in certain situations
you think about like, damn, Like, we just gave him
the game. But after that, after I ain't gonna After that,
(37:12):
I ran out on I was on the sideline. Bro.
Speaker 1 (37:15):
I ran out on the field and jumped in the stands. Bro.
Speaker 4 (37:18):
That was that was like, that was probably the most
craziest game I've ever been a part of, Bro, the
one that Yeah, shout out to j D five and
know what, man, they made it happen.
Speaker 2 (37:28):
Man, first his first NFL ever?
Speaker 1 (37:32):
Was your first game?
Speaker 2 (37:32):
First game?
Speaker 1 (37:33):
Yeah, I played on one.
Speaker 4 (37:34):
I played against the Jets for like two drives because
I tore my meniscus first play.
Speaker 5 (37:39):
I tore live regular season and if you're first playing preseason,
you tore your miniscus, yes, and then you came back
in today.
Speaker 1 (37:46):
So today and I want to recap for the audience,
and like I want to go out tonight. Yeah tomorrow.
We had time to We had time.
Speaker 2 (37:53):
Give me a little time.
Speaker 1 (37:55):
Wash the commanders five and two.
Speaker 5 (37:57):
Congratulations by the way, everyone, six sixteen.
Speaker 1 (38:01):
I'm a big I'm a I'm a comedy fan.
Speaker 4 (38:03):
Bro.
Speaker 1 (38:04):
I got I get her. Yeah, you got the beanie.
And I say they spend two hundred dollars out of
the stadium too. But that's nice. Go check out d
m V crab Cakes out there, bro, It's for It
was a good recommend. The crab Legs. They have a two.
Speaker 5 (38:17):
It's like little egg rolls, crab Legs, a little little
dip delicious. And then the lady, her name was like
Benita or something, which Bonita is Spanish for beautiful. Yeah,
it was like a ninety five year old black lady.
So I was like, might a been nicknamed? She's like,
you should get the case to do it too, And
I'm like, it's twenty six dollars, bro.
Speaker 2 (38:38):
She's like six dollars.
Speaker 5 (38:39):
Like do you come to these games often? I said, probably,
not coming back for a little bit. She was get
the case it's so good, and I'm like, I get
the case of Delicious. All that to be said the
six and two Commanders Bears tonight. It's a big game,
big game, big game. Uh, you got should have been
(39:00):
up forty to nothing. Didn't happen the goal line stop.
Speaker 1 (39:04):
Mike was in on it. Yeah, my guy might might
have caught. He was on a hippo.
Speaker 2 (39:09):
I think it was.
Speaker 5 (39:09):
I think they said, hey, they got I said, they said,
we got the agile cat and we got to do
some Mike came in downhill, great fourth round stop.
Speaker 1 (39:17):
But Caleb came down and scored, and things weren't looking good.
Right thing you said, let's be real, Let's be let's
be real. Everybody like the winds knocked out of you.
I took a red eye to get here today. Bro
was in a freso stay game. I haven't slept dying. Great,
Yeah you hear my voice. Yeah, I slept two hours
(39:37):
of Atlanta airport. It had five guys at four fifty
five am this morning. Disgusting, Bro greedy as well. Look
at the side of your hat it says stay gritty
on winning culture.
Speaker 5 (39:48):
Anyways, six and two washing the commanders, twenty seconds left,
people leaving.
Speaker 1 (39:53):
Yeah, Jesus take the wheel. What was the completion?
Speaker 2 (39:59):
Is that we do Zach first and Terry get outside
with sec seconds left.
Speaker 3 (40:05):
We're on the forty nine er on line. I know
our chance of winning was liked zero zero zero zero.
Speaker 1 (40:11):
It's because they couldn't put the word. They couldn't put
one hundred on it, because you can't put a hundred
on right that way, Bro, that whole play took at
least twenty seconds.
Speaker 5 (40:20):
I think it took a minute and a half, bro
if I thought he was gonna get sacked, and I
was like, oh, and then I said he was holding
it both for I saw.
Speaker 1 (40:25):
It Austin Eckler a flag I saw. I saw Austin Eckler.
When when jd rolled out Ostenacer turned around and he's
ready to He's ready to go Oklahoma. Joe ready to
go Oklahoma. Droll against anyth line. Mean that's coming. He
threw that, and I'm like, honestly, I had a little
(40:46):
hope in my heart. I thought someone was going to
go up and snatch it. I thought I had a
little gut feeling. I was like, it feels feels good
right now, feels good right now. I didn't. I was
on the opposite end zone. My depth was off a
little bit. Bro. He caught everyone, and I didn't talk
to anybody. I was with the families and all that.
(41:08):
I didn't talk to anybody the whole game besides Kim.
Speaker 5 (41:12):
And you know, I'm being social. Bought whoever your backup
center is. I bought his dad a beer, Like you know,
I'm making friends.
Speaker 1 (41:20):
But after that catches it, everyone's looking around, like because
we wanted to see was our flag? It was he
in they call passed because they was calling.
Speaker 2 (41:29):
Some end of the game.
Speaker 1 (41:30):
Right catches that credown. I asked, I said, can we
rush the field? Can you rush the field in the
NFL game?
Speaker 2 (41:37):
You get arrested for that for everybody watching, do not
rush the field.
Speaker 5 (41:40):
I'm just saying I was prepared and run because if
there was a rush of the field moment for a
regular season game, that was that was.
Speaker 1 (41:47):
I mean, they wouldn't be able to arrest everybody do.
Speaker 5 (41:51):
If everybody just up the field would have hit a
point with the head security guy would have set over
the headset.
Speaker 1 (41:57):
It would have just let it go, like just let
him go.
Speaker 2 (41:59):
Just I would have went. Everyone would have followed you.
It would have been I'm not a good leader.
Speaker 3 (42:04):
I'm telling you, like, I'm glad you didn't get arrested
because I would have to take you out of jail.
Speaker 2 (42:08):
But other than that, you know, yeah, kind of.
Speaker 1 (42:13):
So you see him catch it, what's your first thing
I did. It's hot.
Speaker 4 (42:18):
I looked back at like where JD was to see
if there was a flag. See, that's like the first reaction.
Speaker 2 (42:26):
You realized long not to have a flag I'm.
Speaker 1 (42:29):
Looking at the ball in the air. I see him
catch it.
Speaker 4 (42:32):
I'm like, oh, I turned back, I look no flag.
I ran on the field, ran on the field, start
hugging everybody. Anybody seen hugging everybody.
Speaker 2 (42:41):
Then I ran.
Speaker 4 (42:42):
I'm like, yo, I ain't never jump in his hands
before jumped in the stands. Jump was a sense hugging
fans like.
Speaker 1 (42:50):
It was crazy. It was a crazy moment.
Speaker 3 (42:52):
Son.
Speaker 2 (42:52):
I won't forget thirty seconds, bro, I see it.
Speaker 4 (42:55):
It's okay with me like this, I'm a it was crazy,
like that was probably the most like I remember that moment.
Speaker 1 (43:03):
Forever the rest of my ill remember that moment. Yeah,
it was crazy. Everyone knows about this game. It was
like both and I'm like.
Speaker 4 (43:08):
Dude, got my money's worth one hundred percent, hundred percent, yeah,
one hundred percent.
Speaker 1 (43:15):
Hey, I appreciate you. I appreciate you.
Speaker 2 (43:17):
I appreciate both of you. My request, man, y'all showed up. Bro,
y'all show love, ma, that's the love.
Speaker 4 (43:22):
Appreciate all these boys on the GRAM, all these boys
on the graand Jordan McGee six, Sir
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