Are You Afraid Of Death?

Filling in for Jordan, Kevin Turner answers some personal questions.

Episode Transcript

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How do they Radio listener TC Fleminghere on ninety seven one the Freak you're
listening to the dirt Bag Culture Hour. Jordan George Richardson, as he has
been for the last several weeks,is dealing with a kidney stone. Doctors
have told him this is going tobe done real soon. We're optimistic about

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the idea that he may do radionext week, but he's certainly not this
week. That's why we got KevinTurner on board. Kevin, it's a
pleasure to have you. I'm soglad to be here. And is this
and I don't want to bring upany hippo laws or anything, but is
this the first time the doctors toldhim that it would be real soon?
Because it feels like we're over amonth of him. They've been telling him

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to be real soon since the dayhe came in, which is two months.
It's probably one month the summer ofthe stone. Yeah, yeah,
man, a lot of unresolved thingsis floating throughout the summer. That's been
the experience for me. It's beena summer of waiting. Yeah. Yeah.
I think it's uh, probably inthe worst stages right now. I

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don't know if you've ever had astint in your business. I'd never have.
I didn't even really conceptualize that somepeople could. But he does.
And he says that it feels likeglass all the time. Yes, I've
only been through this from Afar withBen Rogers, who he said, the
doctors. I was like, thisis the biggest kidney stone I've ever seen.

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But he got him crushed up.And then you know, he brought
it to work and shut it toyou and the and they're smaller here,
they're small in person. That's nice. The ice when you blow it up
on an X ray. Yeah,I mean, you know, small terms
of relative size, sure, butlike you know, much larger than you
would want traveling down that area.I would assume I was assuming. Everyone

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says, I like, if youhad to hear of one pleasant he's a
kidney stone story, they did,like everyone tells you their kidney stone story
was so bad. But like hearingJordan's, I have to think that,
like it's not like most people,like I think they're usually wrapped up in
like a week. Yeah, thisis prolonged for sure, So I I
he's got to be in the uniqueposition of every anytime someone hears about kidney

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stuns, they've had one, They'relike, oh, yeah, I know,
And I think that he's in alegitimate position to be like, no,
I don't think you understand it all. I remember the day that he
did the Son of Stand show.Yeah, yeah, he had the stone
in then. Yeah, but therewas like discussion of all maybe able to
come out before the show, andthat feels like last year to me.

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It was a long time ago.It was a long time ago, man,
Yeah, and it's not out nowbecause you start doing some jumping jacks
or something trying to get it moving, what do you do? I don't
even I don't think he move atall. I think that going to the
fridge is more challenging than anything thatI've been through. And you have to
have water. Gotta have water,that's it probably, yeah, anything else,

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it's like a calcium build up,right, yeah, yeah, yeah,
yeah yeah. I had a friendwhenever this came up, Jordan and
I are hanging out with one ofour mutual friends, and he had a
quote coworker a lady who didn't reallylike candy or chewing gum or anything that
so like her kind of like aidea of a good time was to munch

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on a calcium, like a chocolateflavored calcium thing, you know, like
for people who have a deficiency.Yeah. Yeah, This lady, just
in the prime of her life,was informed that she had a massive kidney
stune because all that calciums just hangingout in the kidney building up. For

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the most part, I think thatladies don't have to worry about this.
Yeah, I know you and you'revery few stories of women having a kidney
stone. They are more susceptible tothe kidney infection. The drink cokes,
no soda. No, I don't. I try not to, but sometimes

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I just feel like I need it. It's my it's my drug now and
my thirties kind of turning into anold man. But like that's the one
thing I was taste now as Iget a little feel off of it,
and I know that's probably gonna dome in at some point when it comes
to kidney stones. Although I dothink I drink on water, which is

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supposed to help. Yeah. Yeah, your tea and lemonade are bad for
it. Yeah, and I think, oh, I didn't know lemonade was
bad. I think that's tough.But if you're very scared of them.
Now low calcium lemonade, then maybeyou're good. I don't know if they
make specifically low calcium lemonade. Itfeels like orange juice could be dangerous.

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I think it's like everything else thoughwhere it's mainly your genetic Yeah, hand
the you're fiddling with two percent,you know, like you could you could
get a two percent better chance ifyou cut out all the lemonade. That
doesn't sound like a fair trade.Yeah, I'd rather drink some lemonade live
my life, for sure. Andthen you've already got Jordan's advice that you

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can lean on when you end up. Yeah, and I don't that kidneys
downes. I don't think advice couldmake this better. It sounds like it's
just terrible no matter what happens.So, yeah, we were in the
middle of discussing you. I've gotsome questions for you about you, maybe
your views on things. Sure,are you afraid of death? I'm not

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afraid of death. I don't wantto die, but I don't know want
those people who was like afraid ofdeath. In fact, I make the
joke that makes like people uncomfortable orit makes Mike my girlfriend uncomfortable sometimes,
like if I went, like itwouldn't be that big of a deal,
Like I wouldn't want to ever seemy parents sad. It's kind of true
of everyone though, you know.I'm kind of yeah, but not like

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even a big deal to me,Like yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Like I'm just I'm I've I feellike i've it was gonna happen at
some point, folks, just notthat big a deal. I'm also the
weird guy that doesn't really care aboutgoing and seeing the rest of the world.
Like I've never been to Europe oranything, and I know that I
probably the whole world probably should.I don't have any desire to do that.

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Europe's pretty tight, dude. Ijust don't want to be on a
plane that long. It's not thatlong, but it feels like it.
It is, though, Like it'slike eight hours, right something like that.
I think here it's usually like ten. Here to Paris is like ten
or Frankfurt. It wouldn't bother meif I lived the rest of my life
and never saw, you know,the other continents. I believe you You've

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had thirty five years and have ittaken them up on it? So and
certainly run into lots of people whofeel this way. And you know,
I wouldn't say that like your life'sin't complete without it or something, but
I will say I'm confident you wouldhave a good time. Yeah, oh
no, I would find a wayto have a good time. I think
I would need to. Oh andby the way, I'm not like actively

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trying not to go either, butit's it's not the kind of thing that's
probably gonna fall into your lab.Maybe you could have gotten on that Cowboys
trip. Yeah, well I neverwas able to get on the Cowboys trip
back in the old days. Whyis that, Well, I just never.
I don't know. If i've youwere on the flagship station, I
would assume they got a couple spots. Not really. Oh, I remember

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the dynamics. I know why youdidn't get to go. What was the
dynamics? Just you have One guywas like, this is my deal.
Yeah he took that. I sawhim every time. It wasn't like a
different person from your station. Theguy famous for drawing a picture of yeah
colleague's wife. Yeah, yeah,yeah, yeah. He was just on

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the plane taking up y'all seat picturesof other people on the plane. Every
time. He guy definitely thinks heknows everything. I'm not. I'm not
trying to pass judgment one way orthe other. Although you know, if
if I if I liked going onthe Cowboys trips a lot, and if
that was that opportunity was gone becausethere was one guy was like, actually

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this is what I do. Idon't think I'd take well to that yet,
but what would I do? Youknow, I'm not. I don't
make the decisions, not for sure. Yeah, I don't think. I
don't really remember actively trying to go, but I remember, like it's great
imber being offered to do like thepre and post game show and being like,
okay, now how much is it? And then they would tell you

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the number and I would go,I'm not giving up my Sunday for that.
And part of it is Kevin,there's definitely more life than money.
You probably could have met Jerry.Yeah what I mean? I met Jerry
Wants and that was, you know, not that big of a deal,
and he didn't know who I was. I had a beer with Jerry Wants
on the Combine bus. Really yeah, how many people when you say had

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a beer with Jerry? Uh Soit was me, and it was Jeff
Kavanaugh. You can hear two tosix Monday through Friday with Julie and Mike
Riner and groups and David Moore,Okay, Clarence Hill. So the rule
was one person per media outlet,although I think John Mashouda was on there.

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Well, then how were you andKavanaugh both there? Because I had
an NFL network hat on. Ihad a rob Low hat that they were
get handing out at the combine nice, and I just put it on and
just went on and no one saidanything like that, and Jerry wasn't handling
it. But at the end ofit, Jeff goes, hey, Jerry,
you gotta get any beer? AndJerry goes to his bus and pulls

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out a six pack of Miller LightNice. And then as we open up
the door, here comes Stephen andWill McClay like right about to come in.
It is what are you guys doingon there? It was pretty crazy.
It's kind of surreal. And itwasn't like Jerry remembers me or knows
who I am. We never knewthat. Yeah, I don't think he
knows anyone that's around him, LikeI'm just looking at my like as we're

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talking about the last segment my mentaldecline at thirty six. And you know,
like, I'm sure that people whomake better life decisions than me can
keep their brain in better shape.But I'm positive he makes worse life decisions
than me, no doubt, youcan't. I mean whatever, I don't
want to. I mean, atleast in the last fifty years. The
impressions that I've gotten from reading someof Don van NATO's right over the last

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couple of years leave me with theidea that he might, you know,
be consuming alcohol fairly frequently. Yeah, and I think that would have a
deleterious effect on your ability to rememberthings. And if I were his age
and had been making those decisions,I don't think that there's any way that
I would like the idea of thathe's remembering you, like he's lucky if

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he remembers his kids brother. Doyou think he will? And he clearly
knows. I mean, there couldbe more, you know, like we've
got the one that he It's sostrange to me that he just avoided that
one too, Like the girl likehe lives in the same town as and
he just didn't go. He justnever went and met her, like all

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he had to do. Probably,we mean that might have been hard like
that. That could be like Iinitially see that as like an emotional distance,
but it also could be the opposite. It could be like this would
hurt too much. It's not thathe's not thinking about it at all.
It's that like in order to himto put it out of his mind,
have any hope of putting it outof his mind and like going about his

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life, he has to just youknow, I don't know. I don't
know. It looks cold in away, but it could be the opposite.
That's an interesting perspective I've never thoughtabout, and I appreciate that because
I think that's where I'd be,Like that would I mean, I think
that if I had any progeny otherthan the one that I live with,
and I would make an attempt tobe in their lives as much possible,

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because I think it's great. Ilove being a dad. I want everything
to do with But I don't know, I could see how it would be.
It would just be too too much, you know, if if you
couldn't have any kind of like realimpact in the live I don't know,
stuff situation excuse me, could Jerryname bless, you could Jerry name fifteen

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current Cowboys on the fifty three manroster first and last name, Yes,
okay, what's the cutoff? Thentwenty he gets every starter and I think
some of the key backups first andlast name. First, the last name

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is tough. I bet there's alot of them that name. That curse
is good for us hooker. Yeah, yeah, that's well. I'd love
to take that test. I mean, this is gambling. He talks to

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he talks in public all the time. How do you think it would go
if you just said, Jerry nameas many players on your roster as you
can, first and last name.I mean, I would hope that there's
a Vegas line on this. Idon't think he would try. I don't
think that you'd get a real fairattempt to edit out of that. I
think you'd be get a dart inyour neck from whatever pr person's Does he

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know Tony Pollard's first name? Yeah, yeah, Tony Pollard for sure.
There's probably plenty of instances of himsaying Tony Tony Pollard. Yeah, boy,
I think it's under fifteen. Ido that's I think you'd get the
fifteen easy. God, I wishwe could. I mean, I can

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see him just he called Brett Maherone time, Brett Mayorwitch. That's the
kicker. Dude, who knows thekicker's name. Oh, I guess he's
also called Bono Buno. So yeah, there's a lot of that's a tough
one to square. That's That's thekind of thing where like as my memory
gets worse like it used to be, that I just couldn't imagine a world

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where now I'm like ten years.In ten years, I won't know how
to say I won't remember how topronounce things like basic stuff. I don't
know, dude, I used.I don't laugh at him anymore. I
guess I have been laughing quite abit in our discussion here, but I
don't know. It's it's serious stuffnow. The things I'm laughing at it

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always happened a long time ago.Yeah, yeah, but no, I
don't fear death. You don't feardeath. I fear in jail more than
death. Yeah, that makes senseto me. Do you do you think
that it's possible that you fear deathand that it's in such a background capacity.
It's like the water, like youknow, you're the fish and it's

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the water, and so you don'treally know how much you fear death.
Yeah, I think you. Ithink most people, well, that's that's
dumb for me to say that.I think for some you probably don't know
how much you fear death until youare bedridden like Jordan, or you know,

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until you go through something terrible likethe large percentage of us that are
going to have cancer. You know, that's just the facts of life,
and that's that's that's a real slapin the face. I'd like to have,
you know, I see a certainallure of the immediate hit by a

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bus death, but just immersible.There's a lot of things where I'm like,
you know, it's not a goodlong term decision, so I'm not
going to do that. But ifI had like a month, I could
just do all those things. AndI think that if you're like cancer written
and like, you probably don't havethe energy to get out and do those

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things. Yeah, but the doctorswill just give you strong opiates like as
a matter of course, and youknow that sounds nice. I would like
to time capsule some of these,you know, because like these these answers,
if I answered these at twenty five, thirty five, and forty five.

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Gotta be different, right, Yeah. Yeah, so filter you're out
there, living, changing and growing, it'd be weird if they weren't different.
It would be a disappointment. Yeah, that would suck. Do you
do you lie to yourself? Doyou think what do you think you lie
to yourself about? M I thinkI lied to myself about how much sleep

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I get. That's a pretty lightone. It's pretty light. I lie
to myself that I'm gonna be okayhealth wise because I currently don't have a
primary care physician, and I've beentelling myself for months any to go do
that? Whatever? What are youmy child about a primary care physician?

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Yeah? Right, who needs that? Apparently? I probably do the dentist
thing. I didn't go to thedentist until a few months ago because I
heard Danny do a segment on iton the Old Downbeat, which is in
the afternoon. But he's like,didn't go the dentist in seven years?
I was like, that's me.I haven't been since I was my mid
twenties. Yeah, the audience maybe aware. I have had a similar

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experience. How was it? Itwas a disaster terrible. Yeah, did
you go to doctor Ted? No, no, I need I want to
go to doctor Ted. Not becausemy dnet, the one that did all
the stuff. Apparently extracting a largeamount of money out of me was not

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enough for them to stay afloat.They went under. Oh no, yeah,
and they took your money first.Yeah, they did. God,
at least stay afloat if you're gonnarip someone off. I don't know if
they rippy off. I it's entirelyconceivable that I needed all those things.
I mean I went in because likemy two thirds, you know which they
were like, No, I'd hadmy wisdom teeth taken out that I had

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That happen when I was uh,you know, in my young twenties.
But no, no, I hadlike they did a root canal that day
the day I showed up. Daymight have been the next day. That's
not great. And I mean Ithink there was like seventeen cavities. Did
you feel it? No good?That? Well? I wish they would

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they didn't do gas. I wouldhave loved gas. Yeah, it's injections
in the year gums whose hell?I hated it. Yeah, I had
a couple of feelings last time doctorTed, I didn't fill them, that's
all right, I didn't feel them. I feel and feel I'm from Aldy,
so yeah, my words, youare going to sound the same.

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Phil Mickelson can sometimes we feel Nicholson. Yeah, it's accents. Touf's weird,
right, Like you can do anything, Like it's all it's all a
series of choice. You guys weretalking about this in the context of singing,
and like just how you pronounce vowelsor how you pronounce any word or
a letter. Uh, it's alljust the choice that you can make a

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different choice. And like it isthe convention that whenever people are singing,
they make choices consistent with the AmericanI don't even know it's like the American
accent. I think that we alljust have a shared like way of pronouncing
words whenever we're singing that like youknow, it's yeah. I made an
honest attempt, right, really thesummer before I went to college to try

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to start snapping out of how countryI sounded. Yeah, because it's just
where I grew up. It wasvery sound like a hic. I remember
Eric Nadale talking about trying to getrid of his New York accent. When
he came down here. Yeah.Yeah, that's something I always like remembered
and tried to incorporate and not thatthis isn't my normal voice now it is,

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but I like worked hard to almostspeed up the way I was talking
so there wasn't such a drawl.I know what you're saying about like normal
voice, but it's all a construct, you know, like you were just
trying, like the way you learnednow to talk initially that you're identifying as
your normal voice. That was justthe first time you were peer pressured into
talking that way. Yeah, right, you know, like so if you

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got peer pressured in talking a differentway later, it's not any more or
less authentic. Yeah, it's somethingyou Danny was talking about when he goes
to Knox City. Though he'll comeback, it is crazy to me the
short term, he'll come back andhave more of a country thinking. I've
noticed that when I get back fromyou know, you go see my parents

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for a weekend, just two hoursaway. It's not that far away,
and I will come back and Isound different. Yeah, And I have
a strong tendency that I I don'tlike this about myself, but I've I
guess I just have to come topeace with it. If I'm hanging out
with someone like pretty frequently, it'snot like for like a couple hours,
I won't end up talking like youby the end of this podcast. But

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if I hang out with someone alot, I'll talk like them whether I
want to or not. Yeah,uh, like, because you know,
whenever I was in the high school, you know we'd have this would come
up a lot. Anyways, wecan talk more about accents next. Uh
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