Ariana Grande Falls In Love

With Jordan out, TC and his wife Megan discuss the recent stories about Ariana Grande.

Episode Transcript

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Welcome into Gearbak Culture Hours ninety sevenone the Freak and TC Fleming listeners who've
heard several of the last few Rootsprograms when the George and George Richardson has
been dealing with a kitten stone verypainful medical episode, and I'm sorry to
report that he is very much dealingwith it right now. He had an

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operation on Friday to make it easierfor the stone to pass. Doctors were
optimistic than unless he was some sortof freak, that they'd be able to
go in and retrieve it. Andthey tried. They learned that he was
indeed exactly the sort of freak theyhad feared. I don't feel like hippo

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laws allowed me to get more specificthan that, but I can let you
know he's in a lot of pain, but he loves you all very much
and wishes he could be here inhis spot. It's my wife, Megan
Fleming Cortinus, Megan Cortinas Fleming.Yes, that's my name. That's my
name. She changed her middle nameto Cortinas. Yeah, confusingly so Louise

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is so boring and people don't believeI'm half Mexican. So yeah, for
a long time your middle name wasLouise, and you all for a while
you wouldn't tell me what your middlename was because you were so embarrassed by
it, which is hard to imagine. Like I thought it was Hitler.
Yeah, I don't know why.Seems pretty neutral. It mainly just felt

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like a bargaining chip I get holdover your heads. Okay, but yeah,
changed that to Quartinus. And thenimmediately h said you feel like you
betrayed your aunt Louise and that thiswas a mistake. I don't think I
ever said that. You absolutely did. I don't host the time since you

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changed the name, you were likethis. I wish it was you had
a relative, you know what I'mtalking about. They didn't pick Louise out
of nowhere. Yeah that's my mom. Your mom's name is not Louise,
that's her middle name. Yes,okay, these are the things for learning
on air right now. No,you had her, she hadn't it.
Yeah, sure, let's move on. Yeah sure me, she hadn't it.

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Whatever. We've also got j Jalong for the ride. We appreciate
it. Hey, how's your Saturdaybeen so far? Yeah? These?
Uh? Can I can I pullback the curtain far enough? To ask
if mark Stein comes in, haveyou been hanging out with mark Stein all
day? Or is that just recorded? I do hang out with mark Stein,
but today he wasn't here. Okay, okay, okay, yeah,

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he wasn't here today. But Ido. But you do generally, Yeah,
like you, uh, whenever friendscomes on, you guys watch it
together. We're best friends. Yeah, make some popcorn. Yeah, I
sit right here, he says,right where you saying, can you watch
it right there on that screen?Nice a moment, Yeah, cool,
Yeah, he's nice. He's theguy, good guy. Yeah. Anything

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you have to comment on JJ overthe next two hours, feel free to
pop in. We're talking about it'sjust a bunch of pop culture topics,
gossip type topics. And I'm underthe impression that you stay somewhat abreast of
these matters, right, Yeah,I'm I usually keep my hand in the
streets or in my ears industries andyou know what's going on. Yeah,

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And the big thing we're doing iscounting down to Jake Paul Nateds. We're
your official Jake Paul Nateds Countdown show. Maybe just see you get ready?
What what is Jake Paul Nates toyou? What do you think though he
was a YouTuber and then became afighter, but like everyone hates him,
but he's actually kind of good.That's all right, that's pretty accurate.

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Yeah, you're right there. Yeah, I think it was Nate a fighter.
I'm guessing. I don't go.Yeah, I got other stuff to
worry about. I think j Jare you uh up on the UFC?
Can you back up my UFC analysis? I'm not that involved in it.
Like I I'm trying to figure out. I can't remember when, like when

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did Jake Paul really jump into this? Like I thought it was a joke
at first? Yeah, yeah,I and everything, and now he's like
legit talking trash and I think actualfighters. I think this is like the
most advanced actual fighter he's fought,because I serious, Yeah, yeah,
like I thought he like I thinkhe's passed his prime a bit, but

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like was the peak of the mountainrecently? Like that he and Connor like
he's kind of on the Connor McGregortimeline kind is he kind of like on
his way out in a way.I mean, I think you know,
it's like he's so good you don'twant to like say anything bad about what
like everyone gets old. You know, Shack got old and he's Shack.

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Yeah. Uh so you know,no one thinks that like it's it's too
bad or whatever. You know,like he had a good career. I
think NATed has accomplished a lot ofamazing things. But now now he's fighting
Jake Paul And I don't think hewould have fought Jake Paul if he's peak
Nate Das, But I don't know. Yeah, it's a little like performer
at six Flags, you know,the best concert going on, kind of
like not they see but yeah,the pavilion at you know, across from

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the Mini mind train they are atthe AAC though. Okay, yeah,
I didn't even know that fight wasgoing to be here Dallas. It's exciting,
right, yeah, that's actually yeah, it was really exciting. Yeah,
I was fired up. It's whenever'sat the blink. When two concert
they were advertising that's their target audience. I think they were just letting you
know, anything that was coming outany bros. A pretty wide range of
acts they had coming to the AmericanAirline Center. Yeah, and uh those

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were but two. Yeah, theywere also promoting it at Disney on Ice
that I'm talking about I'm talking aboutgetting the kids early in a What was
your connection to Disney on Ice.I'm just kidd I know they were.
They were advertising Disney on Ice whenwe were there. I'd like to take

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our kids to Disney on Ice sometime. Yeah, be nice. I just
you know, not not knowing thesedays. If like it has to be
a cartoon or it has to belike I think in person on skates would
be impressive to her. But likeseeing the Barbie movie and they leave Barbie
Land go to the real world,and she's just like, yeah, I
think I'm done. Yeah, Idon't want to get it. I don't

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want to pay eighty bustle enough.I think that it's a lot more gonna
hold your attention if someone's figure skatingin front of you, I hope.
So we'll find out she saw theBarbie movie. Yes she did. It's
clearly not four kids, right,Well I wouldn't. I mean, I
think I just I could tell youit wasn't for her. I don't think.

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Yeah, maybe like ten not orten Yeah, for sure. I
think Also it was like if theyhad stayed in the Barbie Land longer,
she would have been in because thatwas the cool stuff, but then it
was like we're talking about the patriarchy, like I don't care if but one
day, yeah, one day,you bill, you listen up. She
was hyper fixated on the trailer.That's why she had to go it is

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because she's she loved the trailers somuch, and in that with the part
where they take away her high heeland her foot is still locked in that
position. Something about that the joke. I think every yeah, every girl
like since like Chrissy Teagan was doingit online because they were this is so
cool. So then she was likeI need high heels and I'm like,

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yeah, yeah, no, wedon't wear high heels. I think Hollywood
has an obsession with Marbot Robbie's feet. Probably she did beg to like do
that, but not have a stuntfor that, because she's like, that's
the classic part. I want myfeet for that. She does all of
her footwork like Silicide Squad and shetook the keys off the guys. Oh

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yeah yeah those are but people don'tunderstand, like the director had said,
James Gunna was like, people don'trealize that that's actually Marbot Robbie doing the
whole feet coming up and unlocking becauseyou can't see her face. And then
obviously, once upon a time inHollywood, feet were up and doesn't like
Quentin tarantine, I have a finishor something like that. Yeah, I
guess yeah, there's there's a womanhad an experience with him that she then

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wrote about online. And then afterthat, you know, people started noticing
that it is so frequently in hismovies. And Quentin lives in Austin,
you know, And I listened toTom Sigura and Bert Kreischer's podcast Two Bears,
One Cave and whatever one of them'sout, sometimes they'll just have someone
else. If it's Tom that's theone who's there, then he'll usually just
have someone else who also lives inAustin, because Tom lives in Austin.

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So Quentin came on the podcast,and as for the final question, he's
like, you know, final matter. Uh, I've noticed, you know
a lot of people have noticed thatthey're such frequent scenes in your movies where
it's a you know, long closeup of women's feet. And I just
wanted to say thank you. Ijust appreciate it. No one else is
putting together stuff that was like,never forget that Quentin Tarantino wrote a scene

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where Tequila goes down and Saalmahayak's footand the actor drinks it, and then
he put himself in the movie toplay that role. It was just very
clear that it was like, becausewe should do this, and he's like,
you know what, I'm the onlyguy who can who could play this
part. I think I think Ineed to stand beside George Clooney. I
can't explain this to anyone else.You guys don't get it. So Megan

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just to uh, you know,this is your your maiden show, having
this large role. You were youwere here to talk about shen Yan.
Yes, the first time. Ithought maybe introducing you to the audience would
be helpful. Why don't you tellthe people about your history? What's your
background? I don't even know whatthat means. Where were you born?
I was born in Dallas, Texasat Baylor Hospital down the street. Where'd

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you grow up? Cedar Hill andthen Flower Mound, Texas? So what
was Cedar Hill? Like? Ialways want to know it? Cedar Hill
was like I feel like a vastover and over it. I still don't
feel like i'd get it. Yeah, it it was it was different times.
It was like when the times werechanging. I don't know, I
don't really know how to describe itwith the without rose colored lens on.

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Yeah, it wasn't that great.Towards the end, it was getting pretty
rough out there. Yeah. Ijust the thing that always stands out to
me is there was a time whereit was revealed that you know, this
is a while ago. I feellike you've made great stride since then.
I don't say this to expose youor anything, just to you know,
have an illustrative example that you werehaving a little bit of trouble, like

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totally nailing the multiplication tables every time, and I was like, what's that?
What's going on here? And youwere like, yeah, the kids
in my math class were screaming thewhole class constantly. They were standing on
the tables. They were like,we were playing beats with the pencils.
You know, that was a bigthing. Everyone tried to like beat each

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other a lot. You know,it was pretty like it was. It
reminds me of like in Mean Girls, when everyone's kind of going wild and
like the teacher was a thirty yearold dude who like didn't know how to
talk to kids. So he justlike, all right, settle down.
It's very crisp, and Glover ismister Tabor. Yeah, was my six
or seventh grade math teacher, andhe did not control the room or the

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students. So I kind of justerased all that from my mind. So
yeah, two times two is four. I do know that. Yeah,
No, I I feel like you'veyou've you've got them downpad. It just
takes me back to that, toto nom whenever you're like quizzing me on
like multiplication tables, and it's likethat he's toast of our whole lives.

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Don't make me go back. Andthat's that's what I'm like, But like,
what do we have a calculator?Like that's why do I need to
know this? Why do I needto show my word the multiplication tables?
Like you're I guess you need don'treally? Well, my thing isn't this
is big education trying to talk toyou. We don't need to know it.
We have a calculator and like ata not a job fair, but

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like a ten agency you had todo like for accounting, like I did
some accounting work, you'd have todo work without a calculator and I'm like,
what business in their right mind wouldhave anyone do these numbers without a
calculator. It's just it's a conveniencething if you look, if you take
the time to learn them now youcan be lazy or later. It's tight.
I guess I haven't really run intoproblems with multiplication since I didn't learn

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it. So yeah, not thatI didn't learn it, but you know,
is that the end of your introducingyour background? Yeah, you kind
of let you didn't really let meknow what to present. I mean,
what do you want to know?You asked me, I'm an open book.
What's your favorite movie? You reallyshould have prepped me for this because
I've got a couple of different genres. I mean definitely like Rushmore, Twister

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the Top two very different movies.But I've got a thing for Jason Schwartzman,
Bill Pullman, and Paxton mainly Paxtonyet Pullms just kind of got the
dirty, hairy voice and Independence Dayand like the quoft hair. But Paxiston
he has the little gap in histeeth and he was in Weird Science.

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Yeah, you never saw that one, never felt a strong need to catch
up. Yeah, I think you'regood. Yeah, what the What would
you take on a desert island trip? Probably a helicopter to get off of
the island. Is that okay?Or I have to stay there? If

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I'm having to stay there, Imean obviously like internet connection and a device
and a couple of doctor peppers andI should be good. Do you think
Harry Truman made the right call droppingthe bomb on the Japanese and World War
Two? No comment? You reallydon't have any thoughts? No, man,
let's hear your thoughts. It's yourshow. I probably wouldn't have done

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it, but I have a kindof a hard time with being too critical
given the situation. What do youmean? No, just critical in general?
I mean, you know I'm fair, Yeah you're nothing if but if
not fair, I just you know, like I'd struggle with it because you
don't want to just say like ifyou're at warrior at a blank you got

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a blank slate and you can doanything you want. Yeah, there's still
are rules. I know that.That's what most people say. They aren't
rule. But like you're a warlike they came and bombed us, and
then like you're I guess you canhave like a CounterPunch. That's too swift.
But it feels like you should havesome latitude to punch back and someone
that punched you, you know,Yeah, I agree, But I don't

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think those women and children deserve todie and that incendiary blast. Yeah,
that's true, and I don't thinkit was especially important to the war aims.
I think that they would have surrenderedwhen they did without the bombs,
which I don't think is a majorityof you in this country. But I
think if you look at the facts, it's a much bigger deal that Russia
was closing in on them, orthat the Soviet what I wanted to get

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in some pop culture. Okay,go ahead, pass what do you got.
I don't know how much time dowe have before we got a break,
but that's your job. Oh tenminutes. Great, Who do you
want to discuss? What's what's goingon in the in the world of hot
gossip? Well it's a little oldat this point, but Ariana Grande was

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a big topic recently. Oh yeah, that's that's been one that's been close
to my mind, just because there'sbeen such a disdain for her by some
people in my family. I actuallytend to like, No, I won't
I don't know who you're talking about. Is he your mom or your sister?
It's my mom. Uh No,I think there was always this.

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I never heard of Arianna Grande untilshe came out with like some of her
music. I wasn't like a Nickelodeonfan. It's a little bit. What
show was she on? Oh mygod, I don't know JJD you know,
No, it's like The Victor Victorious. Yeah, I don't remember the
plot of it even, but Iknow that she had like really really red
hair and like actually damaged her hairin the process of dyeing it. That's

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why she always wears those up dudeswith like long ponytails, because her actual
hair is ruined. Really, Yes, I mean I think it can,
but I think there might have beenlike splotches that just can't be replaced.
I mean, I would think shecould get some type of like medical procedure
to like put hair back on,but I think with the like with extensions

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and things like that, I thinkshe just figures she'll just put a wig
on. So was she the biggestDisney star or was she like kind of
middling And she just happens to bea good singer, And so that's really
kind of made her fame. Ithink that's that's what it is. I
don't think that she was like likeI like Selena Gomez was a star on
Disney as well, and so itis Demi Lavado. Yeah, but obviously

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they kind of branched out, butI think some of them like weren't even
like the leads on their show.Yea was not the lead. Yeah,
it's like she was kind of likethe dumb like the dumb friend I've seen.
I've seen some of the stuff withthe Dan Snyder. Yeah, with
the Dan Snyder stuff that came outof like inappropriate scenes that she had been
asked to do and like just verysexually. Oh yeah. And I think

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at one point it was like somelike her character should be clarifying about Tarantino,
you know, like maybe it doesn'tfeel to me like what he's doing
is that wrong or is like clearlyover a line, you know, like
you can do feet stuff, youcan't do it with kids. That'd be
my point. No. I thinkthere was definitely one where she was like

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trying to suck on her own feet, but it was like a funny thing
but clearly written in there by theguy being like I want to get a
girl to do this. Yeah.No, we condemned Dan Snyder and the
strongest possible language on this show.Yeah, absolutely, But yeah no,
So I think she pretty much justtook off. But there's as far as
the history that what my mom hassuch a big thing against was it was

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probs to be pretty critical of popstars in the first place. Yeah,
it was the donut eating incident.This is like ten years it's just like
ten years ago that, Yeah,she's My mom was just like, that
is just disrespectful. Somebody's got tosell that, like, you know,
and I'm thinking, yeah, someonepaid you know, ten dollars more because
she licked it. She's doing thema favor. Uh No. But it

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was very much like a oh,she's so disrespectful. I'm like, she's
just a dumb kid. Like that'skind of what all this amounts to.
I think she's probably another child starthat hasn't had like a full on good
childhood to then be able to makegood decisions once, you know, put
in the real world. Yeah,I don't know. I don't I don't

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think any of them have a goodchildhood. I think that some of them
are able to overcome the bad childhoodthat they had. But yeah, I
don't know it just the nature ofthat sort of thing. It doesn't really
give you an opportunity to develop likeyourself and like find out who you are,
Like you're just like you shouldn't behaving to deal with adults telling you
what to do to that degree,you know, like it robs you of

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your chance to like sort of growthose muscles on your own. Yeah,
and I think also hindering your abilityto like not be a people pleaser,
Like you're going to be a peoplepleaser, because you're trying to please,
Yeah, please the adult that's takingcare of you, and then also please
the adult that your adult is tellingyou, you know, even if you
don't agree with them. So likenot really having a mindset one way or

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the other that she has control over, you know, what she does and
doesn't do. So seeing a donutand being like, I'm gonna lick it.
No one's going to tell me notto. Like it's probably pretty big
deal for her. But whereas ourkids use a donut and licks it and
we're like, oh what, youknow, we gotta eat this donut.
Now we gotta buy it, Like, I don't know there's just different.
I think there's different perspectives to lookat it from that, But this does
not excuse for for what we mightget into as far as her relationships that

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have you know since coming gone ourkid JJ, it only eats the frosting
on donuts. Oh really Yeah,you give her the donut, she'll like
bite off the chocolate frosting on thetop and then just hand you back a
slobbery donut. Yeah. So yeah, the chocolate's all off. She's not
gotten to where she'll I've gotten thelittle donut holes. It's less waste because

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she'll at least eat half of thedonut at the top of the donut hole.
But you know, it's a I'mjust like the whole thing's good,
like, not just the chocolate.And like, I don't get kids like
obsession with sprinkles. I don't thinksprinkles actually taste good. They're pretty,
they're pretty. I love the colors, but like when I'm eating them,
they feel like they're getting stuck inmy teeth. I'm like, maybe they're
their teeth are different than they're cool. Yeah, but they don't taste that

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great. So yeah, Arianna inthe news recently because she's a she's dating
someone who's not her husband. That'strue. And he's got a wife too,
Yeah, that's not his girlfriend.And he also just had like I
say, just had, but likeI think his kid is turning one in
August, which is now so withits pretty recently. Yeah, and I

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think the main thing is so Ithink Dalton Gomez is her ex husband.
Boy, if you'd been suggesting divorcebefore the first birthday of our child,
I think that that would hurt him. That would hurt my feelings a lot.
Yeah, that's what's weird is thatthey like him spit So it's Ethan
Slater is the gentleman who she islike co stars. Yeah, I never

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heard of him, but he islike in the SpongeBob musical. Like we're
supposed to like keep up on who'swho's a frontline in the musical If it's
like not Katherine McFee and waitress likeI don't really know, sounds like out
of touch East Coast stuff. Man. Oh, real American. I don't
get caught up in that, buthere we are. It's it's to be
talked about. Yeah, No,I don't like that he's in the story.
I'd prefer it was. I don'treally like the Osman either, though,

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Yeah, I remember this is whatYeah, this is what's weird is
that it was a couple of monthsago I was telling you. I was
like, yeah, it's really weirdthat Arianna kind of got a guy that's
like not in the limelight. Sheseems like she's doing good, and you're
kind of like, who is thisguy? And I was like, Oh,
his name's Dalton Gomez, and Ithink I read it and it was
like a realtor to the stars,and you're like that means nothing, Like
everyone's a realtor, and like eitheryou're a star and you have money and

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you can pay him a lot,or you just have a lot of money
and you know you're just a Joeschmoe. Like that doesn't right. But
then whenever these reports started coming out, they're like, oh, yeah,
they're getting a divorce because you know, they were married during COVID, so
he wasn't used to her, youknow, schedule and the paparazzi. I'm
like, it's Ariana Grande, Likewhat do you expect You're going to get

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married to her and just be like, yeah, we just like to sit
at home and watch you know,the Chase on ABC or NBC whatever,
good show. It is a goodshow. But I think that that was
probably like not a false sense ofwhat the relationship was. But once again
go into the people pleaser aspect ofArianna's growing up that when she's around someone,

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if there, if it's the rightperson that's showing her the affection,
she can kind of mold herself intowhatever they would like. This is kind
of speaking a lot into like Idon't I wasn't there, I wasn't to
fly on the wall, but justyou know, on what you read.
But yeah, then like she kindof was hanging out with this sky Ethan
Slater, the her co star,who was married to his high school sweethearts.

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So they've been married for four yearsbut together since high school. And
so just now how she no?And so she no, and so she
since has had a kid in Augustas of like may he wishes her like,
you know, to my best friendand the best mother in the world,
Happy Mother's Day. And you know, Arianna has to like the post.

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But the biggest kind of bombshell thatcame out of this was the wife
was like, uh, just kindof go and scorched earth and was just
like, you know, Arianna isnot a girl's girl. She came over
to my house multiple times and wouldhold my child and talk about how much
she wanted to have a kid too, and just very weird like details that
like shouldn't you know you could justsay like she came over and you know

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she was very friendly with me andmy husband while also dating my husband,
or you know, there's there's apparentlyno overlap. But yeah, and you
know, I guess some of thisseems like it's welcoming a bit of a
scrutiny. But on the other hand, it's like if you do encounter a
situation where you're with someone but likeit's not you know, going the way

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that you wanted to, and youmeet someone else, like your options available
at that point, you know,like do all the breaking up and everything
before you get together. That's ait's a pretty good way to handle it,
you know, like what you know, it's a tough situation to be
in. Your There's no options thatare gonna make you look just like pure

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clean, right because it's still it'sstill kind of gives the thought that you
guys were having conversations you probably shouldn'thave that pushed you in the direction to
end the relationship with your other person. Yeah, whether or not it was
like them like both of the themtalking about each other. They could have
just been talking about their situation andthey probably should have been handling it with
the spouse and so breaking that levelof trust. It's kind of like at

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that point, I think she theymay have been separated since January, but
then this guy just filed for divorced, like July sixth, so it's very
very recent, and it kind ofseems to coincide with a storyline of like,
oh, well they've been broken upfor a while, but you know,
we kind of we can read betweenthe lines here. One of the
quotes I saw about Arianna and herhusband said, Ariana and Dalton both realized

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they were very different people and quietlyseparated earlier this year. That language always
just makes me feel insane. Hey, you realized they were very different people?
Okay, I would hope. Sothis whole phenomenon of celebrity breakups that
are then discussed in the press,and like the specific language that has grown
up around like talking about these things, like you know, any any break

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up, Like I don't even know, like the people involved really understand what's
going on precisely, you know,like it's it's all. It's never one
thing, there's a million things,and like it's like your brain is a
complicated place. It takes quite abit of like uh, you know,
learning and growing and whatever to geta handle on what exactly is going on

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in your mind. And you've giventime, and I don't think anyone ever
gets it perfect. And so whateverwe're talking about people who are to us
strangers, you know, like you'refamiliar with their songs, but like you
don't really know her. If youever hung out with her for like an
evening, there would definitely be somethingthat happened, and you'd be like,
oh, that's surprising. I didn'tthink she was like, yeah, you
still wouldn't know that. You stillwouldn't know him after a couple of months.
I would think they probably keep theyprobably have that persona and and so

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the idea that you're going to readan article where one of their friends has
come up with, like has satdown to the pr person to craft a
sentence that's supposed to land and leavethat understanding what happened, that's insane.
There's no way that that job canbe accomplished, and so you just they
just say, you know, theyboth realized they were very different people,

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okay, ye like and that theydon't like people that don't get along with
each other or people who don't havethe same core values. Like it is
very just like, yeah, we'revery different people. This isn't gonna work.
And that's where I'm like, whywouldn't you just like not get engaged
so quickly? Like that's kind ofhow you figure it out. But you
know, who am I? Andyou just know that there's such a wide

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range of how breakups can happen,you know, like sometimes it is just
kind of like, hey, youknow, I'm not really feeling this,
and I can tell you aren't either, So let's just yeah, I was
trying to think and in my lifetime, you know, violence, Yeah,
I was trying to think in mylifetime, and people who've broken up,
it's never it's never been both people. There's always one side that's more aggrieved

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or feels more aggrieved, and sothat's where it's like I'm always trying to
guess which one is which, andtypically it's the person who actually files for
divorce, like in the celebrities case. Yeah, usually I would think,
and so then you kind of justdo your own assumptions of like, Okay,
well it was the guy, soshe could have been cheating on him,
or he didn't mike her schedule,she was too big for her bridges
or whatever the you know term you'regoing to give it. I mean,

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you know, Maddie Healy got introuble a lot for saying this, But
I do suspect that there is somethingsomewhat emasculating about being in that position.
Yeah, I guess it's certainly notthe roles that our society has prepared us
for. Now are those roles thewisest than like, you know, it
would it be good for us ifwe evolved past that maybe, But that's
my thing about like if you ifyou're saying that, but then you're also

(28:33):
saying you're going to marry Arianna Grande, and you've seen Arianna Grande before,
like you kind of know, likethat's not there. We're different people get
married. Well, yeah, sheis going to be a completely different person
than you because like she has thiswhole other lifestyle that that's not who she
is, but it is part ofit, and so to be like,
you know what, her schedule wasjust so demanding. It's like, oh,

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I'm sorry she actually had to,you know, live out her passion
and go do what she actually wantsto do. Yeah, that bother you,
bro. Yeah, it just itseems like she's kind of edging towards
behavior that's more risk taking and morelike, uh, kind of following what

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she wants to do rather than whatpeople would think that she maybe should do.
I think that she's gotten a certainamount of you, like, the
kinds of people who like that seemto have liked that she did that that.
I don't feel like that sentence makesany sense. Yeah, but I
was gonna say I always wish thatI would take a lot more risk,
and so whenever I see someone elsewho's not me doing it, I'm like,

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dang, must be nice. Youdon't even care these people are just
bashing you in the papers. You'rejust living your life. That's that's a
part that it's like it. Ithink it's terrible if if she was like
a home wrecker. I don't reallythink it's just her, you know what
I mean, Like, she's notthe only one in that relationship, and
like, once again, we don'tknow what was agreed upon her or talked
about, like what she knew ifif the guy had said they were broken

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up and whatever. But a lotof high school romances would have flamed out
by that point, you know.Yeah, I mean, and that's what
I'm saying is that I don't thinkthat it should all be, you know,
put at one person's feet. Ithink there's a lot of different things
involved. But for her to beable to kind of I would think,
say, like, I'm going togo after what I feel like I want
and everyone else can suck it.Like, yeah, we got a bunch

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more similar stories to that one.Yeah, yeah, so let's let's talk
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