Metallica - Part 1

Jordan and TC discuss their respective experiences going to see Metallica play live.

Episode Transcript

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Welcome into dirt bag culture hour.Is it TC fleming? This is how
I always sound. How are youfeeling? TC? Nothing worth the marking
on. I feel great. Iknow it don't sound good, groups,
but I feel great. Did yousay groups? Yeah? Yeah? Is
that a thing? Is that athing? I don't know? Yeah,

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it was a long time ago.Someone who had recently left surgery left groups
a voicemail, oh, saying Iknow, I know, I don't sound
great, buddy, but I feelgreat. Oh, I recently left surgery.
Satellite moupful. It feels recent tosay that I recently left surgery.
It's been a couple. Are youdoing I guess I'm okay. We're together

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again, together at last. Sothe first time I've seen usance you've had
surgery. Does it look different yourpenis? I guess I think that's what
hads. That's what you had surgeryon, right, sort of yeah,
which doesn't make a lot of senseto me, but I guess that's the

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only way you can get in there. There's only one way in, only
one way out. They told me. There's no way. That's true.
They could cut open the kidney longways. It wasn't in the kidney.
It could cut that open to leftthe kidney and then there's nowhere it was.
They could cut it open the otherway, not according to them,
maybe so, I mean, Imean like in general, they want to

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like have the minimal amount of invasivenesspossible, like a lot of times,
you know, doesn't seem like that, buddy, tell me how the last
few weeks have been. You couldjust chop it off and dig it out.
You can't do that. I guessthey could have gone in through my
shoulder too, if they wanted todo it wasn't a thing that they like
took seriously. Is like a goodidea. But whenever they're telling you like

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there's only one option, that meanslike there's only one option that makes sense.
Yeah, yeah, like it's onelogical option. Could have gone in
through my shoulder, Yeah, maybecould have done anything, laparoscopic belly surgery
to get to my kids, shota laser at it from space. They're
telling me that I'm going to haveto really, you know, stay on
top of this because which I don'tknow what that means. Every time I

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have back pain, Do I needto rush to a you need to pay
them? Yeah? Yeah? DoI need to rush to the emergency room
every time I have a mild amountof back pain, because otherwise if it
leaves I had a kidney stone.My name is Jordan. This is third
back culture hour. And if Ihave a kidney stone that leaves the kidney,

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then they probably have to do thisagain, like the dig it out
through the front, yeah, inthe in the and I had to do
that twice. It's kind of thereason I missed two weeks. Well,
I missed three, but the firstone was to try to dig it out
going up through the the junk right, and they couldn't get to it.

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Man. They said, my,all of my things were too narrow,
and it's just not where you wantto be. No, And so they
said, we have to try againnext week, but we have a loose
opening. We got a week flappingin the wind. Yeah nothing. Yeah,
I think I like to know thatit's high and tight in there a
little bit, But no, Idon't think so, not not for this,
not for this particular charade. Andso they had they said, hey,

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give it a week and we'll goback and try again. But we
have to leave something inside of youto make your opening less narrow. You
gonna wedge it open. Have youfound the like? Did it stay like?
Are you just enjoying a free flownow? I mean the permanently wedge

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it open. The flow has alwaysbeen good and strong, but no last
over time, it has, ithas. It's one of the smallest five
percent of openings, is what Iknow. But that does not leading to
a free and easy flow. Itis because the prisoner of your own experience.
No, it's something different. It'suh, I don't know how to
describe it exactly or what's analogous tothis. But if you send if you're

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send water through something that's narrow,that can expand a lot easier with a
lot less pain. So the flowwas okay, but it's the fact that
it's something bigger than that that's solid. They I don't know they described to
me, But I was on allsorts of pain medicine at the time.
I don't have a high degree trustin the medical establishment. I don't really

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I don't really trusts well. Idon't know if this was a misleading,
but it certainly was something that wasunpleasant. Yeah, no, it doesn't
sound and it remained unpleasant throughout,and it remained unpleasant after it was over,
you still feel kind of weird,right, Yeah, I still feel
weird. But at least I canlive. At least I can go further

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than the kitchen. But I almostI almost went to my complex as gym
yesterday. That's how good I feel. Here's the real question to determine where
your health is. Do you havea kidney stone in your throat? No?
Oh? Have you been to theBombay water Park? No, I'm

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scared to you, and I don'tthink it's back. It sucks. I
can I considered it. It's it'stragic. Actually, because we discussed before
that. I bought season passes toa place where I could ride a Bombay
style slide, which is one ofthose intense extreme slides that's almost a vertical

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drop. And I was going tojust standing on something. Yeah, you
stand on a platform. There's somesort of fake countdown, you know,
they say they're going to count downfrom three. They open the door on
two. Oh boy, one ofthose things they get you and they drop
you right. And I was mywife and I got season passes to this

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water park so we could just dothat, like you know, try weekly
or maybe almost daily, just formof meditation, a form of meditation,
just as a way to feel somethingright. And not soon after I bought
that season pass, did this wholeordeal start happening. Do you think it
was related? It could have been. Did the water like impact I can

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y? Yeah, yeah, yeah, once you get to the bottom.
You know, the name of theslide is like super Wedgy or something,
So that's affecting the whole area downthere. Yeah, but I'm hesitant to
say it's that, and it's moreinsistent to say that it was a move.
It was an unnecessary apartment move.Yeah, and that's that's my story.

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I'm sticking to it. Yeah,you know what I mean here,
there's a reason. Yeah, I'mfeeling mostly better. I hope TC's feeling
better. It seems like you're feelingbetter. I feel great, and you've
had something but close. TC fanshave heard the progression over the course of
the last week, and yeah,they'll note that this is this is better

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than Monday, and it's better thanI think. Monday was the year I
published the podcast of It's Just PantherSure with former Stanford tackle Ben Muth,
a good friend of mine. Yeah, I love talking college football with Yeah,
I'm eager to listen to that episodeto get me all rounded up.
We're we're competing with college football currently. Yeah, you're right, that's the

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whole deal. But we're glad thatyou guys heard the college football and then
we're like, maybe it's not streaming. Maybe they're back culture hours on the
stream. Yeah, the station supportsUNT, but since UNT appears to be
competing with us for our time slot, I'm I'm more of a cowman myself.

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Let's see those Golden Bears just outthere romping. Man. I got
a question for you, and what'sknowing how smooth my brain is? I
might have asked you this before.I might have even asked you this before
on the radio show. But whyif it's why if when talking about the
academic institution do we refer to itas Berkeley, and when talking about it

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from an athletic standpoint, do werefer to it as CAW. I mean
it's like a I mean all ofit's you know, convention, right,
it's norms. But like it's ifif it's similar to if we referred to
UT as Austin sometimes, like itis sometimes called UT Austin. Yeah,

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sure, but it's always called Cow. It's on the helmet, but it's
always called Berkeley otherwise. Never mean, I've never heard it called Cow when
they're referring to, like, Idon't know, riots in the sixties.
I've never heard it called Cal whenthey're referring to so called Cal Berkeley.
Technological standpoint, I feel like themost common way to refer to it,

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and the way you're talking about itis as Cal Berkeley. I hear it
as Berkeley. I've somewhat I mean, like, uh, are you saying
you at least I remember talking toa Berkeley law graduate who said, I
went to law school with Cal Berkeley. Yeah. Sure, but I'm trying
to remember times. I mean,you probably just talk about it a lot
more than I do. Cal doesn'tcome up that frequently in my life.

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No, but can you acknowledge thatit is a thing more so than most
under other university. Yeah. Yeah, the conventions around it are not the
exact same as the conventions around otherschool. Okay, even if you call
it Cal Berkeley as an academic institution, no one ever calls it Cal Berkeley
when talking about it from an athleticstandpoint. I've never heard it called Cal

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Berkeley. I mean like if yeah, I'll see that point. That's yeah,
I am, because I'm constantly capableof anything counter arguments, but i
will dodge that. The ones inmy head are pedantic. Yeah, good,
good, good. It's fun.It's fun to try to bring such

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arguments to you because I know thatthey'll you know, I'll be able to
see the other point. Yeah.I can do this forever. Yeah,
I just don't think it's fun forother people at a certain point. Yeah.
And you just think about that sometimes. Uh. My favorite recent Cal
tweet was because I I'm since I'mfriends with Ben, Ben went to as

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I mentioned, Stanford who his arrivalof Cal Berkeley, and he will frequently
feature the funniest people on the internetwho are making fun of caw at any
given time and whatever Ted died,oh man, someone was like Kazynski born
and whatever. Another cowman who neversaw them win the Rose Bowl. I

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remember seeing that. As a matterof fact, he up there. It's
all the past twelve has left reallyis jokes. Yeah, he went to
Harvard, which I believe figures inprominently into his origin story in my mind.
Are you familiar with all that?Uh? In what context? I

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think I am. I think Iam. I've at least have watched the
documentary he and some of his classmateswere subject to we're unwitting elements in like
a social experiment, right correct?Correct? Like he was he went to
Harvard at like sixteen. Yeah,and they never told the people in this
dorm like, hey, this iswhat we're doing. Yeah. Correct,

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But they're basically like, what ifwe treat these guys, like what if
you know, at what point doesthe human mind break under pressure? Is
there can we find that? Isthere any group of freshmen right right?
Is there any he broke guys?He broke man. That's the quickest pipeline
to get to living in a cabinin Montana that I've ever heard. Is

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there any connection do we know betweenthe MK Ultra program and the kinds of
things that he had? It waspart of MK, It was part of
that. Yeah, the adolescence inthe study in the as a you know,
it's a cow fan. I've justthe last couple of years has been

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an odyssey mentally for me of justwandering through you know, the various like
I don't even know how to categorize, but yeah, so I don't know,
I'm I've read a lot about mkultra. Yeah, and uh,
the first thing you learn is it'sa very sprawling program, and like what
what it takes to get called mkultra is a pretty low bar, you

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know, like yeah, like it'sjust more or less funding, you know.
Yeah, like they're just kind ofgiving money to various things and then
they're like all right, we needto report act. But it's not like
there's like one guy like Sydney Gottliebwas that of the program. It's like
a crazy person. Yeah, it'snot like Sydney's at Harvard. Only do

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people who have never heard of mkultra, which is probably which is most
of the bottles people. Yeah,so it's not like Sydney was sitting there
at Harvard like overseeing, you know, like yes, do this to Tad.
It's just like, you know,there's a grant program. They give
him some money. You gotta tellthem like how it's going every once in

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a while. That's it, youknow, it's not that big a deal.
That's just academia. It's as faras I know, the most benign
way of looking at it is it'sjust guys who are interested in the human
mind and how it works, andif anyone's doing some like avant garde like
testing with the edges of that are, they're like, yeah, we're interested,
we'll help you out with that.I met someone recently with the name

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it's their initials but MKH, andlike they struck me as the type of
person who might not have heard ofhimk Ultra, And so I didn't say
anything, but I just you know, thought to myself, God bless their
soul. Yeah, you have togo through life being named for something that
every once in a while they're goingto run across it, an insane person

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like me, and just only thinkthat they might have been named for a
PSI up CIA yeah program, likebecause it is such a sprawling thing,
you can tie like a lot ofthings into it. But like, I
don't know, I don't know reallythe point at which you ought to and
I like I think there is therewere a group of people making concerted efforts,

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you know, so like I don'twant to just like wave it away.
Is like there wasn't any like legacyor residue of what they were doing.
I think there certainly was, Andso I'm really I'm just like curious
about how to categorize all of it, because if you look at the time
of operation, it's you know,from the beginning of the fifties to in

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the seventies, Congress started really askingsharper questions what the intelligence community was doing.
And at that point they burned allof the files. They did.
They were destroyed. No one's everbeen able to recreate. Like all the
people who knew what were in thefiles were the ones burning them, and
they didn't say a word. Forthe rest of the lives. They're all
dead now, You're never gonna knowwhat happened. That's so, you know,

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that's that's why we're left with somany of these questions of like,
you know, how does these thingsintersect. But it is interesting the number
of people who went on to playimportant roles that were touched tangentially by a
t Kezinski being one. You know, I'm fairly inclined to believe that Charles
Manson wandered into it at some point. I was just about to bring that
up. I feel like we canget a little darker here on the stream.

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But Ken Kesey, the man thathas supplied the grateful dead with all
of their ascid he first encountered acidas part of the program. He also
wrote the movie One Flew Over theCuckoo's Nest. That's about the book that
became the movie One Floor of theCuco's Nest. There's a lot of this
stuff people rise or not even theorize. It's kind of well known that Charlie
Manson before he moved to LA whenhe was in San Francisco around the Hayde

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Ashbury area, had a parole officerwho was who was replaced, and the
person who came in and became hisprole officer was very much, I believe
a CIA analyst. Yeah, moreor less. Uh Sirhan. Sirhan who
killed RFK allegedly. There's some amountof evidence that he was at a hospital

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where MK Ultra was being conducted.There's a lot more like weird stuff going
on with him. Yeah, Oswald, no connection whatsoever. Jack Ruby,
whenever he was examined like whatever thelike. You know, they had to
see like if Jack Ruby's mentally fitto stand trial, right, yeah?
Right. The guy that came into examine him, Jolly West, one

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of the most people involved with theprogram. And I don't know, you
know, here's where it starts doundingreally nuts, but like whatever, it's
the truth. Jolly West dost JackRuby with enough ascid that Jack Ruby never
spoke straight again the rest of hislife. Yeah, it's pretty incredible.
They don't they look it up ifyou don't believe me. Yeah, they
don't talk about that. I don'tgonna prove it to you. Where did

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Jack Ruby spend his days in prison? You know? I mean I think
that most of the time he wasI don't I don't know. I know
a lot of his confinement was inhospitals. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
yeah, yeah. People I e. A pedestrian will learn that Jack Ruby
just had health issues, they'll say, for most of his life. Following

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the Kennedy ordeal. Yeah yeah,I wonder if the guy that you know
sat like that. He was normalbefore he talked to him, and then
was never normal again after he talkedto him. One of that guy had
anything to do with it. Idon't know. He had just wired money
to some of his dancers and hisemployee in Tarrn County. That was the

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thing he did just before shooting Oswald. So that's kind of cool. Shout
out for it worth. Yeah,I think we're I haven for loose women.
Apparently, listen, relax. Someof our some of our most loyal
listeners are women of Terran County.Yeah. I feel like we're just going

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to become the mk Ultra JFK showof note. No, we're gonna become
the Metallica show. Well that's athat's a great way to try, you
know. I feel like the songone thematically is basically MK Ultra in a
seven minute song. Yeah, theyget at it Sanitarium too. Yeah.

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I heard both of those last Sunday. They Yeah, Okay, I was
interested because so we both. Isaw a Metallica when they came to Dallas.
Thank you very much. The iHeartRadio Dallas. Nice dude, that's
all. You know. We canlet him in on the secret now that
the show's gone. We were justpushing. I was just hoping for months

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since we started the radio show thatmaybe they'd let us have tickets to the
Metallica Dallas Takeover. And sure enoughthey did, and I was out of
town. We couldn't even cover ittogether. But you you made up for
it because you were out of downin Los Angeles and they visited Los Angeles
the following week. I love howthat stuff works out. Amazing. My
third trip to Sophi and less thana year, so this had the rank

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at worst number two. Yeah.I think the National Championship game was last
place. Yeah, confident about that. It might not have been as bad
if there had there not been monsoonconditions immediately following the game. Just the
rain of bulldogs, dude, andyeah, rain of bulldogs, dude,
and stay in. My poor fatherwho was having some difficulties with his knee.

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We were caught in the monsoon andlost in the parking. So it's
just kind of standing and you know, a torrential downpour reminiscent of like the
rain scene in Forrest Gump in Vietnam. Me and my dad. But then
like a lone ranger in the night, my sister's boyfriend swooped in and found

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us. Somehow we were rescued.Dude, the waters were rising. Yes,
that was my That was three.That ranked three on my SOFI visits.
It's it's a shame they even givea bronze medal out because I have
to say it's bronze medal, butit's I'm just gonna skill again and then
you can knock it off. I'mjust gonna refer to it as last place

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TC. You called it. I'mnot Ben Muth, and this isn't a
college football spectacular and we are talkingabout Metallica, but I'd be remiss to
say that TC. Why not yousort of called it last year? You
said that the sky is the limit, there is no ceiling, and the
sunny Comby was such an incredible highrethat we who knows r ap sunny Cumby.

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You said that, Sonny, that'sThat's how much of a horm frog
I am? Is that the realsunny to me is sunny Cumby. You
said that there there was, youknow, the sky was the limit with
sunny Dikes, and sure enough itwas. Yeah, you know, I
mean, like, I appreciate thatyou do so consistently credit with me with
with that, but it doesn't evenstand out to me because I'm right so

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frequently. Yeah, it's just youknow, yeah, from my entire family,
who were like, who's this guy? Maybe it's your new friends saying
that TCUs got a chance with thisSMU coach. Well, you know,
they said they said a lot ofunkind things about my prediction, and I

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just wondered if they had remembered thosewhenever they saw true my prediction game they
did. It came up even evenrecently, it came up at so far
in general, I mean, youknow, like no no coaching hires a
slam dunk. You know, boy, look at Scott Frost. Yeah,
how how could that have ever gonewrong? And it went so wrong,

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very poorly, dude, so bad. But that's the profile of guy that
I like. I like people wholike, if you want someone to do
something that they've never done before,maybe they'll do it. But boy,
I don't like betting on it.But you know, competing for the conference
and putting up you know, seasonswhere you finish ranked and you get double

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digit wins, like as a headcoach, that's something that Sunny Dikes had
done before. Like you know,I mean every coach used to be a
coordinator, and sometimes you can getit right immediately, but I like to
let the other smaller schools sort outwhich coordinators are good, yeah, and
then just poach from them to figurelike, because then you know, it's

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it's not just a good coordinator,it's a good head coach. And so
if you're a Power five program,you know, I mean, I don't
know. You know, like TCUis never gonna be able to hire Urban
Meyers, so maybe you do wantto try and hire him whenever. He's
a coordinator somewhere right, they mightif they would have won last year,
but if if they continue, they'rewinning ways. But if you're in a

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position once you do have someone onyour list that has done, they're already
on their resume. Are the thingsthat you hope for them to do.
That's the kind of guy that Ilove hiring. And if he just you
know, did what he did atSMU. At TCU consistently people think he
was great, you know, postdouble digit wins all the time, being

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the top twenty five most of thetime, challenge for the conference title.
That's great. Yeah, I'm notarguing there. I just didn't know how
it would work. Usually, whatI'm looking for in my in my coach
is someone who went from peewee dropouttwo, you know, strong personality on
the sideline. That's a very insidejoke. I was given a book as

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a gift that Jordan was really fixatingon before the show. There's like some
might be my friend Philip gave itto me, and I think he knows
the guy's dad, But a guywrote a book about like basically like,
I haven't read the book yet,but I think it's just like he was

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Pete Carroll's assistant, so I thinkit was like, you know, here's
some cool stuff I saw while Iwas by Pete. But like, you
never want to pitch, You wantto give the most maximalist pitch you can.
So on the cover of the bookit says, from Peewee dropout to
the NFL sidelines. You know,I don't know's it seems like how it

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might work. I haven't read thebook yet. I hope that it includes
a long chapter on Pete Carroll grillingthat general about whether or not nine to
eleven was an inside job. That'sthe most amazing NFL story of my lifetime
is that you shed a little lighton that. I know, I know
that much. I know that thathappened. I don't know anything past that.

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I mean, every cinema NFL team, at some point in the year,
probably several times, has people whoserved in the military that are a
fan of that team show up andit's like, you know, we appreciate
you boys defending us. How abouta walk through the team facility. Maybe
you can meet some of our bigguys. And you don't hear about most

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of those because they're very banal andnothing much happens on them. No,
no, no, but that's beenreported on the fact that one time Pete
Carroll had one of those, andthe person that he was talking to had
some operational involvement in, uh,you know, things around the September eleventh

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attacks. He had some responsibility forkeeping the nation secure at that time,
and I think Pete had some pointedquestions about Building seven. Yeah, that's
where I would go to. Imean, you'd be remissing not to you,
like I was reading the other day. God whatever, you know,
if I don't go, if Ididn't lose people buy the MK Ultra thing,
then then they'll hang with me forthis. Don't worry, we're gonna

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tie it all together soon. Bfifty two hit the side of the Empire
State Building. That's true. Iwas blown away back. I'm trying to
remember why I was reading about this. It was because whoever, like whatever
it knocked out a couple of floors, and then someone bought the office space

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and those floors at a discount,and then renovated. It's they just needed
mild renovation. I mean, youknow, they rebuilt it whatever. Well,
you know, when you buy awashing machine from nineteen fifty one,
it lasted a lot longer than oneyou buy from two thousand and one.
Yeah, I think so it mightbe a planned obsolescence thing that the World
Trade Center had in mind. Well, this was the Empire State Building.

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Yeah, that's what I'm saying.Okay, oh yeah, I get it
now, Yeah, all right,but I did not initially understand you,
but now I do. But yeah, so it was it was related to
whenever I was investigating the dark historyof Wall Street, one of the people
that went on to be like DrexelBurnham Lambert people, there's a dark history

(27:22):
to Wall Street. It's not thereis paved in gold. And I've had
a lot of free time over thelast couple of years, and I've found
out some secrets that would stun theAmerican public. But so I'm reading up
about this Wall Street firm who likeone of their biggest like breaks was that
they had this Empire State Building floorthat they were able to get on the

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cheap because of B fifty two crashedinto it and I just said, how
interesting a plane crashed into a skyscraper. It didn't just fall down? What
are the odds? Like? Noone stops to think that? Are we
just like surrounded by death traps allthe time? Any plane hit any building

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downtown, the building would have nochoice, but just no one thought about
this. In fact, people alot of people thought about it. They
made sure it wouldn't happen. Sowhy did it? So? If you
if a plane gets a direct hiton the Empire State Building like this B
fifty two did and it didn't falldown, then explain to me why a
plane Why a building that's just nextto a building that got hit by a

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plane also falls Isn't that the kindof engineering like giant mishapp that we'd all
be like, boy, we gottafigure out what went on there. Pete
Carroll agrees with me the general aboutit. Preipherbal building. I don't know.
I'll just never forget in one ofthose documentaries that I watched in a

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hotel room that was on a burnDVD. God that's been in two thousand
seven, I'll never forget that.There would be nice if you were on
tour with Ben watching Loose Change andthe like whatever. I was, Yeah,
great, Yeah, that's what I'mtalking about, like the Hilton and
Florence. Yeah, it was aman. I can remember. It was
somewhere in Europe because someone gave Simmyand my drum tech a DVD and he

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was worried that the like the RedBook cataloging on the DVD wouldn't work in
his laptop. Yeah, but itworked. So it was an Italian made
I'm pretty sure it was an Italianmade nine to eleven documentary in which there
was what they know about it?Well, I don't know. They've they've

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built some of the great structures oftime. No, no, not them,
not the Romans. So they're notItalians. I've been on the Italians.
They're not building anything. I don'tknow that that thing Mussolini built for
himself that I thought must have beena thousand year old when I first saw
it, and then someone's like,nah, that was erected during World War

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Two. They can take credit forthat. They get that one, although
they hate that one. Yeah,the wedding cake. Excuse me, they're
not it. They're not big intotaking down statues over there, though.
I was about to ask, likewhy haven't they removed that Mussolini temple?
But there they remember their history.That's how they say it. Yeah,

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you don't like to forget their darkhistory. How many things in neuro do
they have up? How many thingsin Europe do they have up? Nero?
Oh? Yeah, I would sayworst leader than Mussolini. Nero is
a bad dude. He liked aparty though partying was partying was fine.
Yeah, Caligula probably worse than Mussolini. Ita lyast got a competitive list.

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You go to most places. You'relike, well, it's pretty clear cut.
Hell, Benedict, dude, hewouldn't he had to quit. I
have a pope, Benedict Magnet.I've been meaning to bring to you,
thank you. I have a coupleof things that have to do at the
Catholic Church, and I want togive them all to you that I got
at the Vatican gift shop. Likethat. Benedict not a leader of Italy.

(31:11):
You're yeah, correct, okay,but based there no based in a
city state inside of Italy. Isnot Italy? Yeah, I guess not.
It's kind of like Cannadale. Itis the filming sexas it's not part
of It's not really part of TexasMission impossible three. But yeah, so

(31:32):
we went to see Metallica. Iwent to see Metallica in Dallas. There's
something I wanted to tell you aboutrelated to that, Hopefully I remembered over
the course of the show, likehow it was No, I was,
I was just the you mentioned earlierthat they played a sanitarium in one.
Yeah. I was interested in thewhether or not they had the exact same

(31:53):
set list Friday set because yeah,Friday's no repeat weekend. But did those
no pete setlists carry over from cityto city? Yeah, and the answer
is no, I've already learned fromthe one bit of information you gave me.
No kidden because they played sanitarium Friday, Okay, they were switching it
up. Yeah. Did they playInner Sandman on Sunday? I think you

(32:15):
know that they did one on Sunday? Yeah, I guess the Inner Sandman.
That would make sense because there probablyis still a fair amount, uh
you know, contingent in the audienceof people who go to concerts who are
looking for the big hit, andso you're probably going to save the big
hit till the end. Yeah,just like if it was a one night

(32:36):
affair. Yeah, but general likethey were doing that across the set list,
like Friday was for the fan theheads. Yeah, although there were
some things that didn't happen Sunday thatI thought would happen Sunday because they were
like bigger hits, Like I mean, they didn't want they didn't want to

(32:58):
do nothing like they did. Didn'twant someone coming to a Metallica show and
I'm playing for two hours and it'stwo hours of deep cuts. They did.
They didn't do that, but theystacked most of them the Sunday.
They couldn't even do it if theywanted to. They have so many hits,
That's right. I wanted to hearsad but true. They played that
Friday, but I wasn't disappointed thatI didn't get it. I'd say,

(33:19):
for me, the highlight Friday becauseI got anywhere at Rome. Great.
They played fuel Friday. They playedas Friday. Yeah, but I mean
they played for two hours, andI would say the first hour was the
most notable song was Creeping Death.Yeah, and everything else was like Years
one for the real fans, Yeah, which I don't know, you know,

(33:39):
like I knew going Like I wasstunned a lot of the coverage on
the station was surprised over no repeatsweekend. If you saw the poster,
it was like that was as bigas letters as Metallica. No repeats.
They said it on every commercial thatwas on the station. Yeah, out
of the sneak up on you someline spots, which is fine, you

(34:01):
know, not everyone has to knowall the things. I know, I'm
okay. Yeah, my sister knewit was a no repeat weekend. Yeah,
come on, come on, sheloved it. She killed it.
And uh so you know, II it's cool, right, Like I
want hardcore Metallica fans to get servedand be able to have this experience.

(34:27):
And so, I you know,I was just marinating that and I just
knew. I knew going in Fridaythat it made sense to me that's probably
how it would be. It wassuch a revelation because like we've been talking
since we got this show, yesabout like, hey, Metallica is coming
out a vet that the former rockstation could get us tickets. Yeah,
and uh, you know, wereally dragged our feet. We I mean

(34:50):
we dragged our feet to the pointwhere like you never asked anyone, you
were just like going out And Imean like it was a hastily playing trip.
You know. It's like, well, it's three weeks away from the
thing that we've been planning to goto for seven months now. Actually I'm
gonna be gone, so we're justnever gonna ask. And I was like,
yeah, I didn't get No,I'm not no, no, no

(35:14):
no, I'm just teasing, justteasing for later. But so uh so
I did. I just was like, you know, you might as well
take a shot, like, youknow, Jordan's not going to be there,
but I would still like to goto this thing. I'm sure that
I can find a friend who wouldlike to see Metallica for free. How
did the process go? I justI texted our our board Apeo nice.

(35:37):
I just have one text Ao.I figured that it's not like he's probably
not the guy that's like doing it, but he knows the guy who is
yeah, and I don't. Yeah, so he did. He got it
through the proper channels, and uh, that dude like you know, touch
base, Joe, shout out,Joe, shout out, Joe, thanks

(35:58):
Joe. Uh he touch base waslike, you know, I'm looking be
hitting you up for the Kid RockShow next year, and he like,
uh, I mean it was theday of the first show at like three
pm. It was like, what'syour email? No kidding, Yeah,
came down like that, and thenthe tickets. So like I've been telling

(36:20):
my wife like I might do thisthing, but like probably not, Like
yeah, you know, they don'tcare about whether or not the guy with
the weekend show gets stuff like youknow, a yeah, but you should
see some of the people that getinto those shows comped. Yeah. Well,
you know, I mean like theydid care in the end, you
know, they came through. Ideeply appreciate it. But yeah. So

(36:44):
so then it's like, all right, he's sending me something they're playing twice.
I wonder which night he's giving methe tickets to and where the tickets
are. And whenever it came throughthat I was on the front row of
the like two hundred level. Ohman, perfect place to view a concert.

(37:05):
I'm like, that's great. Uhso which night? The answer is
both incredible, dude to find thatout, like you know, yeah,
five hours before the show stead youfind that out and then you have to
start getting ready to leave? Yeahyeah, yeah. First I had the
frantically text to find someone who wantsto see this thing tonight. Bet not
hard and they're like, all right, let me leave work four hours at

(37:30):
a time right now, No problem. But you know this is my buddy
Greg. Thank you Greg for goingwith had a great time and uh so,
yeah, so I had not spenda lot of time contemplating how the
set list would go since I waspretty iffy, I mean my willingness to

(37:50):
spend money, like because I don'tyou know, I would have paid uh
forty dollars, you know, butlike that's not going to get you in,
not at all, not even close. So like whatever, whatever the
like minimum threshold to be in thebuilding, I did not have that allocated
for this. So it's like eitherI'm gonna go for free or I'm not
gonna go. So I'm not spendinga lot of time being like, you

(38:14):
know, planning out this experience.But yeah, whatever it's. Whenever it
is first presented to me, I'mlike, yeah, I figure it'll be,
you know, stuff for the realheads, Friday, stuff for the
big people's, the regular people.Sunday we had it's so far. We
went on Sunday and we had seatsin the pretty low and the two hundred

(38:37):
section as well. And I gatheredit was front of house and it was
because we were in an end zone, and I would have thought that maybe
like, yeah, we were inthe end zone. Yeah, facing A.
We were on the sky mirror side. Nice. Nice is that these
is that the eastern side of thestadium sky mirrors on the east side right

(38:59):
six Flaxie. Yes, yeah,we were on the south side of so
far south end zone. And Ithought the stage, because it was in
the round, that it would haveyou know, sat profile, so that
front of house would have been youknow, like fifty yard line ish on

(39:19):
one of the sidelines. And sincethat's you know, how you sort of
played every side and it being inthe round, of course, you know,
there was no specifically specific front.But being in the end zone that
we were in, I noticed ourselvesbeing above the sound booth. So it's
like, oh, we are atfront of house. So the end zone
was we were right behind the soundbooth. And then okay, cool.

(39:40):
So you could see that the shapeof the stage was and the way it
like sort of formed that was thefront and I was like, oh,
this is incredible, we're actually kindof in the front. Well, what's
amazing is that you know they wereplaying in the round. It was just
a circular runway was the stage.And what's so cool about it is that
about every ten feet or so inthe perimeter of the stage was a microphone

(40:06):
for James. Yeah, so hecould kind of go everywhere. I'm assuming
they pretty much go everywhere wherever theywant to roam around the stage during the
show, and the only thing theyhave to watch out for is to not
be standing over there when the fireshoots off. But other than that,
they pretty much have free rein.Yeah, they certainly included the fire,
but it wasn't every song or anything. Yeah, it was like two songs.

(40:30):
Yeah, it didn't happen until later. Yeah, and I think it
happened during fight Fire with Fire,but I don't even remember if it did
or not. I don't think itdid, actually, now that I'm thinking
about it. It was a littlebit earlier in the set list. But
there were four drum sets that wouldrise up from below the stage, four

(40:50):
identical drum sets, so that theband could kind of play to the four
corners of the stadium. Yeah,it was. It was an amazing experience
for me going on Friday and Sundaybecause uh, fun, little personal journey
Friday. Anytime I have this opportunity, I like to have one show where
I'm feeling loose and conversational and oneshow where I can pay a little more

(41:15):
attention to detail totally, and soFriday was the loose and conversational show,
and I had no idea how anythingwas working, Like two songs after Lars
has changed drum, because I'll belike, oh, he's over there now.

(41:36):
My sister and I joked that likewhen they would take the ninety seconds
or two and a half minutes betweensongs, that it was just a team
of people underneath the stage running asfast as they could with that drum set
over to the other part of thestage and setting it up. Yeah,
that didn't happen at all. Ithink Lars Alric has the ability to have

(41:57):
four drum sets at any given time. Yeah, I know that I had
two identical ones at one time.Dude, it was It was pretty cool
because despite it being a stadium,Metallica has never been a band that plays
two tracks. They've never been aband that plays to click a click track.
I don't think it's possible. Imean, at some point Lars probably

(42:21):
had that ability to or maybe hestill does a little bit, but he's
definitely a drummer who likes to playwith times, sometimes sometimes more on purpose
than other times. And yeah,so so when they'll do like really fast
thrash beats, you know, thekind of the half note tempo will slow
down a little bit because he's playingdouble time, so and then when it

(42:45):
comes back to like straight ahead,it'll get a little faster. So,
which is an awesome thing about Metallica. They've played with that drummer the entire
time, so they at this point, Robbie Trio has been in the band
over twenty years. He is theirlongest serving basis that's right, and everyone
else has been a part of theband, and in a way that they

(43:05):
just play organically, so we evenwhen large pushes or pulls, the bands
right there with them. It wasreally spectacular about that is that it allows
a huge stadium show to still dothe Metallica thing, which is try to
always make it feel like a clubshow. I've heard them say things like
that. I know that they hadtheir they've they've spent a lot of time

(43:27):
in arenas, but like a lotof bands, they're they're really fond of
the days that they got to spendin clubs. So they're playing in a
massive stadium with you know, eightyfive thousand people are so but there's no
risers, and you know, RobKirk and Lars are all just like standing
right by the high hat, youknow what I mean, They're all just
standing right by the drum kit likeyou would in a small club. Yeah,

(43:50):
at times they would spread out acrossthe whole circle. But yeah,
there were also times where they're youknow, in danger of bumping each other's
elbows as they're playing their Yeah,it's pretty great, very cool. The
shows, at least the show Isaw started out that way. Yeah,
and that's probably they're getting their bearingsa little bit. You know, the
night has to the night has tostart. You have to ease into things.

(44:12):
So if you're physically staying closer toyour bandmates, there's a little bit
of electricity that's happening. Magnetism deathmagnetism really that can allow you to,
uh, you know, to toshred a little harder. And you had
you seen them before, I've seenthem once before, and I saw a
two night no repeat set. Wow, their first I mean, we could

(44:35):
we could look this up. Butif it was not their first shows back
after the pandemic or the lockdown orwhatever you want to call it, it
was one of their first couple ofshows that had happened, and that was
two years ago in Sacramento, andI gotta tell you seeing them Sunday was
amazing. And I'll a Metallica shows. A Metallica show, as Doughty our

(44:57):
buddy likes to say it, they'rejust always great, always going to be
good. But what I saw inSacramento a couple of years ago, it
was like in their version of CentralPark, Hyde Park or whatever it is.
It's a city park that I fivegoes over and it's it's sprawls.
So there was I think it's calledthe Aftershock Festival in Sacramento and they you

(45:23):
know, it was like a lotof hard rock, a lot of hip
hop, but their headliners that particularyear were two was two Nights of Metallica,
and it was their first show back, like I mentioned, since the
pandemic, and they were playing likethey were g D twenty years old.
Like it was different, Like evenLars was like so so like you know,

(45:51):
fulfilled and fulfilling and he's always stokedand they're always excited. Then they
always throw out picks for ten minutesafter a show, and this, that
and the other. But they werelike it was different. They played they
were playing like they were kids.And this wasn't a show that was in
the round. It was a citypark and it was a flat stage,

(46:12):
like festival style stage, so itjust was kind of a different experience.
And you know, they're probably fiftythousand people in that park, but it
still felt more intimate. And wehad these like VIP kind of seats that
were up on a hill just sortof side stage, so we could see
them just like you know, forMetallica, it was a smaller show and

(46:34):
that that was that was pretty special. And what I just saw it so
far was incredible. But I don'tthink anything could top that per se.
Yeah, I was, you know, they I mean as I've never seen
them before the side of this,uh and you know, I'm I'm certainly
have an awareness of their music.I would say I'm a fan, but

(46:57):
I you know, not like uhknow, every song you know, like
can give you the history of likeoh well yeah they usually play this here
or whatever, you know, right, I would say the Ale. Yeah,
oh no, I don't. Ifeel like the only band that I'm
like that. The only band thatI've seen probably double digit times would be

(47:17):
Wilco that's the only time. OrPearl Jam. Also, I could be
like this is I've only seen themtwice, but I'm very familiar with what
they do live and like, no, whether or not this is the departure
from the normals at list or notthings like that. Yeah, it's pretty
much just those which you know meansthat I'm a white in his mid thirties,

(47:38):
but uh, you know, soI could be in your forties.
It could range. That's right,That's right. And uh I definitely had
like a feel for like what theirenergy is and like what their ethos is
as people and as a band.But experiencing up close was it was very

(47:59):
nice, Like, uh, they'rejust they you know. It's it's somewhat
menacing music at times. Yeah,but they seem to like the one thing
that really comes through and their shows, I believe is that they're excited to
be around, like the kinds ofpeople who like their music. You know.

(48:22):
At one point he was kind ofthe Metallic family. Yeah, yeah,
yeah, uh you know, likeat Bow shows, he you know,
James would do like is this yourfirst show, and someone would clap
and it's a welcome to the Metallicafamily. Yeah, for sure. And
another point he said, you know, I think this kind of gets the
heart of it a little more oflike, uh basically like you know,

(48:44):
we're all here because we all don'tfit in, so we can all not
fit in together. Yeah, andthat like you know, it's a common
kind of thing, you know,like they're not the first group in history
that is uh identified as such androck and roll Yeah, at times visually
the edges of rock and roll,but they do it very earnestly in a

(49:06):
way that it feels pretty genuine,like I you know, especially like knowing
something about all of them, butJames especially, you know, like his
mom died when he was a teenager. His dad was a bad guy who
treated him very poorly. Yeah,and you have to imagine that, like,
you know, he having some somesomething he could call family, like

(49:29):
you calling it the Metallica families prettyon the nose, yeah, of like
this is a guy who probably didn'tfeel like he had his family right,
and so it probably does feel likea giant blessing to him. Oh man,
just yeah, yeah, as anadded bonus, you're a billionaire now
too. Yeah. Yeah. Butyou know, there's always been that of
joke. There's always since nineteen eightyone, there's always been that kind of

(49:54):
you know, like smelly kid inthe back of the class and a Metallica
T shirt. Yeah, in theseventh grade. Yeah, and there still
remains that kid today. Imagine beingthe first one, yeah, you know,
and that's what they So he talksabout being an outsider and what that
must have been like to be ina time where like punk was coming up

(50:15):
and metal had existed, you know, the Iron Maiden, Sabbath, things
like that. But for them,you know, they're considered one of the
Big five, and they're the originatorsof thrash music where they kind of combine
punk rock and metal, two ofprobably the most like outside ostracizing types of
music in the early eighties in theBay Area. They clearly are doing things

(50:37):
that are original, right, yeah, like right, you know, they
have their influences, but more sothe Rost groups, you could say that
they're they're doing their thing. They'repushing the vanguard. You know, like
how many groups are just them youknow, are just ripping off them right
completely. Everything changed after them,you know, and they're listed with Exodus,

(50:58):
Testament, Megadeth. I believe Sepulturamaybe Anthrax is like the first one
the things that kind of changed it, you know, outside of it being
like this like you know, kindof British lad you know, leather type
of deal. It brought the punkrockers into the metal world, you know,
and so everything did change after Metallica. So the fact that they are

(51:22):
like you know, the it's it'sthat personality type that everybody knows from high
school, kind of the goofy chuckleykid that gets in trouble, who's probably
drinking beer in the bed of atruck after school. They're like, that's
kind of like point zero, patientzero origin story of where that comes from.
So to see those guys now andyou know, we'll get into it

(51:43):
some. But then you know,like some of them sell bosc yats and
some of them are professional ear professionalsurfers and things like that. It's like,
yeah, money, money changes youand all this and all and all
that and power changes you and havingthe ability to rock a stadium is it
definitely is definitely something very unique,but there's still like these smiley dudes,

(52:07):
like I said, we'll spend tenminutes after the show with the house lights
on pumping up the audience, orthe way Lars jumps up after every song
and it's stoked you know that.Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah. Their
whole thing is like it is.It's very corny, like it's very earnest.
It's not cool at all. LikeI would say that it came you

(52:28):
know, maybe there's a point intheir career. I guess they're definitely is
a point in their career where theywere cool. I can't I wasn't alive
for that, you know, likethey're not cool at all, but like
yeah, that's you know, that'sthe people define its cool. I think
it makes them considerably more approachable absolutely, Like it just it doesn't feel like
you have to satisfy something. Imean, like I don't know, there's

(52:51):
a certain amount of like, uhyou know, like it's it's uh,
it's definitely like there's a certain kindof Metallica nerd. Yeah absolutely, Okay,
I'm not part of that club,so like in that way, it's
unapproachable. Yeah yeah, yeah,absolutely them themselves. Just it doesn't feel
like you have to pass a bunchof tests. You know, they're just

(53:14):
like, you know, it's sotight, you like the music. Like
it just feels like if you metthem that they'd be like, it's so
tight, yeah, the music,and they would mean it right, and
they are approachable. They were hangingout with our Buddies last weekend in between
the two in between the two nightsof their shows at at and T Stadium,
they're at three Links. Yeah,they're at our friends bar hanging out
with our friends band, you know, because they're James's son and Robbie's son.

(53:39):
Their two bands are on tour andOur Buddies and Van Damn was the
other band that played on that andthey played two shows with them, and
Robbie true Hillo I think, youknow, insisted that our buddy who's the
bass player and Van dam take hisnumber because he loved his bass rigs so
much and he wanted to ask questionsabout it. It's great, you know.

(54:00):
The I've I've long heard tale ofMetallica like catching the Sword at a
club in Austin and then asking thesword to open for them. So I'm
really keeping my fingers crossed that like, yeah, Robbie Will, Robert Trullio
will remember that kick ass band tobe played in Dallas, and then they

(54:21):
are they are they. I'm hereto I'm ready and here to say it
that Van Damn is ready to playin arenas. They're so tight and loud
and big and awesome, so maybethat'll happen. But yeah, Metallica is
pretty affable and they're approachable, andyou know, I don't know what Lars
might have been at, like thetop secret Michelin restaurant in Dallas that night,

(54:44):
but that's still just a cool thingto do when you have a lot
of money. Yeah. Yeah,Now, the the experience Friday, you
know, like I said, Iwas, I was trying to really experience
the music, you know, andI took some helpful fungal supplements. Nice.
Yeah, doctor recommended Low Trauman.Yeah, Low Truman. It takes

(55:05):
some Low Trauman. It's such thatthere was points where I didn't really feel
like I was in the arena.I felt like I was experiencing I was
inside of the sound as a wavemyself cool man, and uh whenever bro
whenever the concert. Yeah, thatwas where I was like, the drums
are moving. I had different theoriesof how, and then it was just

(55:31):
so funny to show up Sunday andbe like, oh, it's really easy
to figure out how. Yeah,you just lower them down. And I
was like, yeah, I've beenin moving right, I've been in those
situations where you have to ask yourselfthose questions. I thought I couldn't answer
any questions. I thought I recognizedthe drummer for the Black Keys, and

(55:53):
I thought he was playing good.I was under influence of the same supplements.
One time. I thought the rummerfor the Black Keys was guesting and
playing guitar with LCD sound system.It just turns out those guys kind of
look alike. Yeah, that's great. Yeah. Then a really special aspect
of that experience was concert ends.You know, I'm I'm like barely moving,

(56:19):
so I'm just kind of hanging outtalking with my buddy, and like
one of the AT and T Stadiumemployees is like, let's go, we're
trying to clean. Not just tome, there was some people, but
I was like, Okay, Iguess I'll try. And Metallica puts that
spirit out there because they stick around. Did they do it for both shows?
They stick around after the shows ohyeah, pass out picks for like

(56:40):
ten minutes and stuff. That's amazing. I was gonna speak back to the
approachableness of Metallica. We both mentionedthat they seem pretty approachable. They seem
kind of corny, nerdy, ernest, whatever you want to call it.
But also they have this chapter,which we'll get to probably in the next
segment, that they have this chapterin their history where they're seen as like

(57:00):
elite and evil and and I justwant to pitch the idea that I think
it's just a misstep by some nerdsrather than maybe like the evil and elite,
you know, the napster chapter iskind of what I'm speaking to.
I think they're just like, man, that sucks. That's not fair.
Man, We've got to make money, you know, Like I mean,

(57:21):
you know, it speaks to whatlike, you know, no one has
a more suspicion of pr people thanme. But kidding, you know,
they have their place, like justnone of those people understood how they're like
somewhat understandable. Yeah, reactions weregoing to land. Yeah, sure of
course didn't get presented in a waythat was like, you know, right

(57:42):
faithful to what they were trying toget across and that was very predictable.
Yeah, sort of like every timeyou two gets a new manager. Yeah,
we've discovered on the show. Yeah. But uh so after the lady
tells us to clear out, wethen you know, we'd we'd taken a
lift to there, which I don'tknow if we have time in the next
segment, but I'd love to tellyou. Yeah, but uh so we

(58:06):
take it a lift there. Sowe're trying to get a lift back.
But like, after standing and staringat a street for like at least ten
minutes, we realized there's no carsallowed to go down. That's so we're
just trying to get to somewhere wherewe can acquire a lift. And it
seems Sunshine Lounge. No, thatwould have been nice. No, we

(58:28):
just I mean, like I justdidn't have that much of like planning capacity
yet. So just the parking lotin front of us, the one across
some sky mirror. We're just like, all right, we'll walk through there,
and uh, you reached the endof there, and like I just
kind of wondered if we'd be likestuck in the back of parking lot,
surrounded by fences or whatever. Butno, there is a beautiful little bridge

(58:50):
over a nice little idyllic river scene. And whenever you emerge on the other
side of that bridge, you're rightat the foot of Troy's at Texas Lot.
And let me tell you, walkingthrough Texas live fungused out. Yeah,
it's something else, man, it'sa it's a fun little thing that
Arlington's done there. I'd like tocongratulate them on it. There are a

(59:14):
lot of televisions in there, man, a lot of TV's, and all
of them are playing on a loopTroy Aikman's eight beer commercial. I swear
to god, I saw I'm notkidding that all. Yeah, yeah,
no, we we gotta go toTroy's. But yeah, no, no,

(59:36):
no, no, I just waitedfor the car. We ended up
getting off books one that was exciting. Just walked up to a random guy
that would like an uber thing onhis car. We paid you sixty bucks
and think you back to my house. Yeah, I don't know how much
it man. Yeah, but yeah, so we got more Metallicate talk about
we got Jordan had an exciting littlething. I don't even know that we're
really taking a break here. Butthis is the end of this segment.

(59:58):
The Next one's coming up,