Luigi

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Yeah, yes, okay. So yesterday was National Corruption Day, No
International Anti Corruption Day? Oh okay, yeah, opposite. Subtle difference there,
I understand. Okay, So today after International Anti Corruption Day,
what do you do the day later? Maybe today is
Global pull a prank on your mailman Day? No, it's

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Human Rights Day, okay? Or Nobel Prize Day. Nobel Prize Day,
you know the Nobel Prize Luigi Manngoni or I said
he was taken to court, took his took his mugshot.
We know a lot more about him now than we
did when we got here yesterday. I tell you what,

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Holy cow, have you read some of this stuff? Best
at pickup lines, according to the Gilman School yearbook, not
only valedictorian, but best at pickup lines, revealed by his
classmates all dudes. By the way, who would know more
about if you were good at pickup lines? Women or dudes?
So at an all dude school, he was best at
pickup lines, That's what they thought. Yeah, would they know?

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How would they know? Well? I don't know, did did they?
I'm sure I came up with some clever ones there.
These are smart people. They're paying forty thousand dollars a
year to go to that school. He entered Gilman School
in the sixth grade, so he was actually there for
seven years at forty grand a year. Could you imagine

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going to a school where you would pay forty thousand
dollars a year in sixth grade? I mean, that is
not how much money per year do you think public
education costs like the state of Nebraska or the state
of Iowa. That's crazy, right, too much, that's all I know. Yeah,
but it's got to be less than forty thousand dollars,

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maybe a couple thousand dollars in like food and like
teacher pay, but you have you know, however, many hundreds
of kids probably in most large schools. This guy went
to an all boys school from sixth grade all the
way through graduation. He was do you think now I'm
just gonna be talking out of school? Do you think
that there's something to the fact that and obviously this

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is a recent event for him to kind of lose
his mind, But I don't like, would you go to
an all boys school if I gave you full ride
scholarship you didn't have to pay for it at all?
The school academically sounds like it is the Bee's knees.
You're gonna learn all sorts of stuff in this all
boys school, and you don't have to worry about the money.
But it's an all boys school and you're locked in.

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You're not gonna go to school with a single female.
What say you? Yeah or nay? Would you want to
do that or would you not want to do that? Sure?
Why not? Free school and you're gonna get a good education. Yeah,
you're gonna be set up and you won't have that distraction.
I don't know the social aspect social socially, I just
feel like I would be that would set me behind
quite a bit. You think I would have had a
lot less to worry about. I'll be honest with you, exactly.

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Focus on your studies, make some great friendships. There's plenty
of time outside at school hours. He entered the school
in the sixth grade and went by the aliases of Pepperoni, Okay,
squeege yeah, in thirty degrees. Sure you act like these
are normal nicknames, all of them now, Pepperoni, I could
buy that's a funny nickname for a guy who's Italian.
Forgive me, I find that funny. I would have called

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him pepperoni every day. But squeege, that's a cool nickname. Squeege.
Why not as in like a squeegee. I don't know
the source of it. In the yearbook. I found this
so fascinating. This is this is a snapshot into a valedictorian. Right,
if you're the valedictorian in the yearbook at your school
that you pay forty thousand dollars a year to go to.

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You've been with these same guys pretty much since sixth grade, right,
I mean, you're gonna have a lot of great relationships.
Is this a peak like you? It doesn't get better
than that for a guy like this. You go and
then you go into the big pond that would be
an Ivy League school. There's a lot of people like
you there. I feel like this is like the perfect
snapshot at probably the high point of this guy's life.

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He described his experience is illuminating. He thanked both mom
and dad for dealing with me the past eighteen years.
So even he thought that he was a little bit
of a rabble rouser troublemaker, even though his family has
not made the indication that he did anything other than
a great kid, including the neighbors who know them as
a great family, and they had great memories with the kid.
They had a ton of money, by the way, like
the family's rich, and you would think they would be

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if they can afford to send their kid forty thousand
dollars a year for school. A former classmate said he
was nice to everyone, very normal guy, nice kid, a
smart kid, kind of quiet. He was into gaming, played soccer.
He was nothing out of the ordinary. We'd hang out
with friends, he did normal high school stuff. Now this
is all eight years ago, and a lot can change,

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and we know the back surgery thing seems to be
the thing that kind of sent this guy over the edge.
But does this change? Does this change how you see things?
Does this change? Right? Like, this is not a person
that was born and he didn't. It wasn't like he
was sequestered from regular people. It wasn't like he didn't
have a great family life. It wasn't like he didn't

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have any money growing up. It wasn't like he was
missing anything as far as socially in his life. This
adds some credence to the fact that he felt personally
wrong by something that occurred to him with this back
surgery and any fallout potentially payments of this thing. And
he seemingly after he left Maryland never really went back
to live. I mean, he was in Philadelphia at Penn

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for six years working on a master's, got his master's,
bachelor's and a master's. The guy was good at school.
Seemingly went to San Francisco is the last time that
we know for sure that he was there. All of
his social media said that he ended up in Honolulu.
Although I found this out. Did you know this? His
family reported him missing to San Francisco authorities in mid November,

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So I'm guessing they were trying to reach out to
him or get a hold of him, and they couldn't,
and they seemed to think that San Francisco was the
spot to find them. You know what I mean? Is
that not a little bit quirky, a little bit out
of the ordinary that the family would have reported him
missing across the country from where they live just before
the Thanksgiving holiday. Sounds like he was going through a metamorphosis,

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something was going on there after that back surgery. They
say he just was not found. And his cousin actually
serves in politics in the state of Maryland as well.
There's all sorts of interesting things that happen. We'll talk
more about his walk in because he was yelling things
as he was yelling things as he was interered a court.

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We'll tell you kind of the most that we know
over the last two hour or so. Try to figure
out what to make of this entire thing. Got plenty
of other things to talk about as well. Just stick around,
It's going to be a lot of fun here on
news radio eleven ten Kfab and Maurice Songer on news
Radio eleven ten Kfab. The defense attorney said Old Luigi

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here Mangioni did not say a word during the hearing,
or he told him not to say a word. He's like,
don't say a word. Somebody overheard that because he sucked
in and was screaming stuff when he was pulled into
the uh when he was pulled in to uh the courtroom.
They think that this guy is I don't know the

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Hawaii thing, right man. Jioni has friends said he arrived
in Hawaii around two years ago and left somewhere in
the second half of twenty twenty four, and people hadn't
heard from him for a long time, for months, and
I guess you know, My biggest thing with this is
this outburst. Is this to like, potentially, I don't know,

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intimidate future jurors. Could you imagine having to be a
juror in this? And what are we finding out right?
Like do we need a jury for this? Is this
something you would need a jury for? Don't we know
he did it? Or do we have to go through
this entire thing? He's on camera. I know we have
a process here, but would you want to be a
juror in this situation? Because you know who's getting threatened

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right now? I'll tune a pencilvanny of police for arresting
this guy. Huh, because we have I saw a poll
on X. You know you know X. You know that
you know the X. Guess what? I saw a poll?
You know how many people think this guy is a hero.
He's out of the running because of what he did.

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I'm sorry, it doesn't matter what your thoughts are. And
I don't think the healthcare industry does everything in a
savory way either, But you don't do what he did
and ever become a hero. I agree, I agree, but
I gotta tell you that, I mean the amount of
people that are online on X, which is generally more

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conservative these days, it's still a healthy majority that voted,
tens of thousands of them that he is a hero.
I don't get it. It's crazy to me that we're
thinking that this guy who in cold blood shoots down
a guy who's a CEO. Yes, it's hard to feel
bad for somebody that seemingly does not live a lifestyle
at all related to you. And he's in charge of

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a company that is actually generally put in what's the
best way to put this, They deny healthcare claims for
a lot of people. It creates bad situations and information
for Americans all over the place. I get it, Okay,
I don't know anybody who celebrates insurance companies for that matter. Okay,

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but killing a guy doesn't make you a hero, no way.
That is ridiculous. Anyway, he said stuff like it is
tough to tell. I didn't want to play the video
because you're not going to hear anything. But he says
something's completely out of touch and an insult to the
intelligence of the American people. And this is as you know,
multiple police officers are you know, pushing him through the courtroom.

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But as he's shouting in all this stuff, he's in
the defense hearing. He doesn't say anything as he's in
there because his lawyer, his attorney, his name Thomas Dickey,
basically said, dare this is my guy and then uh.
He had a bunch of masks in the backpack that

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they found right and they were They asked him, like
the defense attorney, what's with the with the masks or
is this to conceal your identity and his Uh? The
lawyer Thomas Dickey said, some people still have the COVID fear.
The guy who three D printed a pistol that could
shoot nine milimeter bullets with a silencer and has been

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living in places like Hawaii and flying to San Francisco
and what not, still has the COVID fear. We're led
to believe he's just doing what a lawyer does. I
know he's not concealing his identity. Please right. Also, man
Joni looked back at the reporters covering the event and
mumbled to himself several times. I don't know what that's
supposed to mean. But he didn't say anything out loud.

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He did it, didn't He he had to have there's
a lot of facts that support that hypothesis. Would you
want to be a juror on this? Could you even
because we know too much? Is there anybody that could
do this? And like, I have no idea what we're
talking about here, and I know him just as much
as the other half win out there, you know, I
don't see why not. The lawyer also said that they're

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going to fight extradition to New York. Shocker there, so
I guess we'll see. I don't get it, man, it's
crazy to me. I just I'm he was denied bail yesterday,
of course because they don't want to lose this guy.
Let him go again, and who knows where he'll end up.
But it's pretty wild. You got thoughts on the latest
of what we're learning about here? You can fire away

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a phone call four oh two five five eight eleven ten.
Four h two five five eight eleven ten. I have
no idea. A hero to a majority of people on
social media, this guy who killed a guy unbelievable we're
talking about here. Four h two five five eight eleven ten,
News Radio eleven ten, KFA B and Maurice Sunner. The
Lakers would work with Lebron if he requests a trade,

(11:59):
including with Braun James. What as it like? Like it
sounds like because they're struggling right now. If Lebron wants
to be traded somewhere, they would work with him to
figure it out, and that includes maybe sending Browny wherever
Lebron is going. Wow, I mean they had such a
good start to the season. Yeah, but it's not going good.
Does this change how you feel about Lebron? No? Did

(12:20):
you already feel like he I think he's one of
the greats. He's not the greatest in my mind, but
couldn't agree more. You know, he is this he does.
He's had more when you when you look at the
list of the best of the best, he's certainly had
a lot more movement throughout his career than others than most. Yeah,
I mean most of the guys who we consider the

(12:41):
greatest of all time? Jordan, do we count Washington. That's
a little bit of a strange situation. It wasn't like
he demanded to get out of Chicago. He retired and
then signed with a team that he was a part
owner of. Right, that's not the same thing. And then
like Kobe one team, yeah, Russell team, Kareem two teams

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will Chamberlain two teams, Bird one team, Magic, one team, Yep,
Duncan one team, Isaiah Thomas one team, a Keema Lajawan.
Technically two teams, but he was an old man when
he got shipped out. Patrick Ewings the same thing. Yeah,
two teams, technically three teams. He went to Orlando as well, Oh,
he did. At He was an old man by the

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time he was out of New York, though it was
a mutual parting of them at Smith going to the Cardinals.
That's like, yeah, it doesn't matter right exactly. Lebron has
shifted multiple times and basically created this whole situation to
begin with Lakers thirteen and eleven right now and three
and seven in the last ten and there's growing murmurs
that that's something that could end up happening, is that

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he might get traded and I'll take a little Bron
away them. I don't get it, man, it's ridiculous. Oh anyway,
all right, So did you watch Making a Murderer, very
popular Netflix show. Yeah, it's been quite a while. I
don't really remember all of it anymore, but I did
watch the original first season of Making a Murder Area. Oh,

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what were your thoughts. This was at the time, I
mean a very popular Netflix. Yeah, there were two people
who got charged. The main character guy who got charged,
I can't remember his name, Stepen Avery. Okay, Steven Avery.
I was very on the fence with Steven Avery. There
was a lot of suspects, There was a lot of
suspicious things going around the way he was convicted, but

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I was very on the fence. Now his I think
it was his nephew, Brendan Dassy. That's heartbreaking. That's heartbreaking,
And the most heartbreaking part of that whole documentary to
me is when they're talking with Brendan, and it really does,
at least from my vantage point sitting there as a viewer,
felt like those detectives went in there with a mission
to break him down and get what they wanted to hear.

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And he had some intellectual challenges Brendan and I mean
they both did, if you want to be fair, but
he was like, what seventeen or eighteen, right, and he's younger.
And the heartbreaking part is when he's being interrogated by
those two detectives, he doesn't understand the gravity of the
situation because he asks them, when do I get to
leave because WrestleMania is on tonight. I wanted to make

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sure to go get home and watch it, like that's
what heartbreaking. Well, no, I think the worst part of
that whole thing is it's difficult. It's difficult because I
don't want to put myself in the position of an interrogator.
But the thing that kind of ruins the show in
a way, And you should watch it. If you haven't
watched it, go watch it because I still on Netflix.
There's two seasons. Second season is a different animal, but

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the first season is it's told very much like this
guy was wrongfully convicted and everything they show, for the
most part, now they give you the background. This guy
is a troubled guy. He was a trouble maker. There
were some definite weird things that he was doing. This
was not a well off family. The entire family was
creating trouble in Manitowaca County, Wisconsin. And the thing was

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he was wrongfully convicted of a different crime, served like
seven seen years before finally being released. Remember that that's
how the documentary series begins, is they're showing him getting
released the first time, right. Well, that leaves you to
believe that if he can be wrongfully convicted once, maybe
he could be wrongfully convicted again if the wrong people

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wanted to see him go to jail, and so they
used this Teresa Holbach death and set him up. Now,
there is a podcast that's also very good, which you
can find on the free iHeartRadio app called Rebutting a
Murder and it goes through every single episode, episode of episodes.
So you watch. The idea is you watch the episode
and then listen to the podcast, and that's a guy

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who was a reporter and covering that trial every step
of the way in Wisconsin, and the stuff that is
brought up on the documentary. He will like correct some things.
He will say this was something that was not fully
given context to in the TV show, to try to
balance out some of the spin that you're getting and
the way they tell the documentary. But if you're a
fan of true crime, I would say, what a or

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a plus level work here by the people who made
this documentary. I mean is it is truly enthralling and
riveting documentary work involving true crime. And as they go
through every episode with these different pieces of evidence, you
can't help but think you're asking yourself the questions, Oh,
did did this guy do it? Did the kid do it?

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Did they have something to like? And I don't want
to go through all of it. The reason I bring
it up an appeals court has it to potentially grant
this a new trial, to grant him a new trial,
Stephen Avery. So essentially a Washara County judge, Guy Dutcher,
was ordered onto the case after a Manitoawat County judge
recused himself. And this is being reported out out of Watomo, Wisconsin,

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and a new judge on this case says that this week,
essentially they're waiting on a decision on appeal by even
Avery's attorney over a lower court's decision which denies him
a new trial. So potentially what could happen is this
new judge and the appeals court could say, yeah, we
have some evidence that makes us believe we should bring

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this back up for a new trial. Now Stephen Avery's
up to sixty two years old. Now, all right, the
conviction of this was years and years ago. Do you
remember how long ago this was? Two thousand and five
was the murder two thousand and six he was being prosecuted.
So Brendon Dassey is thirty five years old. Now he

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has the possibility of parole. In twenty forty eight, the
kid and getting the kid was partially like you needed
to have that and his confession to get to Steven
Avery and be able to lock him up to So
the TV show it doesn't really tell the entire story
from a fair perspective. And apparently there's one I haven't watched,

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but there was a new a new documentary series called
Convicting a Murderer which Candice Owens put together, and I
don't know, I haven't watched that. That's apparently on the
Daily Wire, but it basically is an answer to all
of this stuff, and it was made last year. But
I feel like there's a lot of questions about this

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entire case and it's very fascinating, And I don't know
how you could bring this back up to trial and
have a legitimate jury. You're telling me in Wisconsin people
don't have like know every single thing about this case.
How you're going to find twelve people that know nothing. Realistically,
you're not going to It's hard. Like they made multiple
documentaries about this. It's all over the place. It's like
it's incredibly famous. I don't know it's weird stuff. Anyway,

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ten KFAB. If you do a crime, or you're a
part of a crime, or you're near a crime, or
you're accused of a crime, I don't think you know,

(20:04):
we don't know all of the facts. And I'm kind
of tying this into the Luigi Mangioni situation, but I
think the bigger overarching point here is how important is
media perception or the amount of media that we have
right now to these types of cases like the potential
Stephen Avery retrial. If that happens to the trial of

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this Luigi Mangioni, that absolutely is going to take place.
How much do you think the media factors into I
mean Daniel Penny as well, just the coverage of that.
And you can go back to kind of oj Simpson.
I think that was the first true crime kind of
thing where people were enthralled by the reality of that,
right would you say that kind of spawned reality television

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in a way. The OJ Simpson thing, I mean, the
car chase. I mean people were absolutely riveted by that.
It absolutely created court TV. Sure yeah, because I mean
every day in the courtroom was there for something else,
and they had video in the courtroom, right, like you
could see actual video of the things that were happening
in there. Maybe you could take court TV was a
precursor to reality television. And it's not just reality TV

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like Celebrity Rehab or you know, the Surreal Life or
The Hills or whatever you want to talk about. This
is like stuff that actually matters. People's lives are on
the line here in multiple ways. I saw this Facebook
post and maybe, and this is my ignorance, and I'm
not trying to pretend like I know everything that's going
on here, but I saw something about the von Mauer

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shooting in two thousand and seven. Do you remember that?
I absolutely do? And I saw this. It was apparently
December fifth was the anniversary, and I just saw this
pop up on my Facebook. I knew nothing about this
until then, and I just kind of started looking into it,
like what was the fall out of that? Do you
remember you would have been a teenager at the time,
but like, well, not quite. I was. I was early

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college age. What year was it, two thousand and seven, Yeah,
December of seven. It was very scary. It was one
of those where you heard it on the news and
I can only imagine I in fact, I'm quite certain
I just remember driving in my car. I must have
been listening to KFAB because I heard the news and
flipped it over to the to the news station in

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my car, and that would have been KFAB And you know,
calling loved ones and relatives making sure that they weren't
shopping that store. I mean, and it's just heartbreaking for
the lives lost and the lives affected. It was an awful,
awful day, and it was you know, I know a
lot of people who went you know, everyone who went

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through that feels the same. So I was reading the
comments and I just like, that's just the anecdotes, the
personal anecdotes, right, But and this is a person that
didn't survive the actual event itself, you know, so there
wasn't like a trial or anything like that. But I
just couldn't imagine. I just could not imagine how a

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public perception of something that was done, and it is
so heinous right, and like trying to understand that in
some situation, there is a world where this person would
have gone to trial for this, and how with all
that emotion locally and all the coverage locally, how could
you possibly even have a fair trial for you know

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what these lawyers have to do, because it's pretty so
obvious that there are so many different types of crimes
that it seems like, let's just throw this person in
jail or get rid of them somehow they shouldn't be
in society. Yet we have a justice system that has
to go to work. But I don't know. If you
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