On today’s episode of Keeping Ashland Health, Dr. Ashley and the Boss discuss the dangers of Adderall as outlined by Rick Fee. Additionally, David shows off his nerdiness by reviewing a conversation with Courtney Harding & Bob Whitaker. Also discussed is a new Book about Activism and Changing the culture of Mental Health entitled “Drop the Disorder + Do Something”. Finally, Dr. Ashley and the Boss spotlight Stanley Frankart and his presentation at this year’s RSVP Conference.
(Record Date: March 18, 2025)
(Record Date: March 18, 2025)
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Welcome.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
You're listening to the Keeping Ashland Healthy podcast, a podcast
production of the Mental Health and Recovery Board of Ashland County, Ohio.
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Speaker 3 (00:13):
Back to another episode Keeping Ashland Healthy with doctor Ashley
Ackerman and.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
David Ross, the Boss. Well, thank you. I appreciate that.
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somebody in if they prefer that. So, uh, today, Doctor Ashley,
we've got a few articles. We are just about a
week out from our big RSVP conference over at au
and the Convocation Center are sixteenth annual. So exciting, Yes, man,
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I mean we that's almost as old as you are.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
Can you believe that.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
We have this conference we have been doing for a
long time. We have got another fabulous lineup. In one
of the agenda topics for today will be the last
of our speakers. We've tried to highlight all of our
speakers before the conference, so we're down to our last
speaker that we wanted to kind of highlight, promote and discuss.
We'll get to that but before the antactor. Actually, we've
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got some articles that I think people will find interesting.
We're always trying to be cutting edge on the Keeping
Ashland Healthy podcast, So let's kick it off with an
article that was written for Mad in America a week
or so ago, and this was an interview and it
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was called Dad, some Thing's not Right Richard Fee on
the dangers of adderall. Now, what a lot of folks
probably don't know is Richard passed away from He died
by suicide, but he was had some complications due to
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his adderall prescription, and his father and mother have really
started a foundation, the Richard Fee Foundation, in honor of him.
But also to again try to make sense of his
death and that loss and try to manage some of
the emotions they've experienced from anger to just you know
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some I think sadness and grief over the loss of
their son who was relatively young. I wonder, Yeah, he
was younger and really had, like a lot of young
people had, you know, just starting his life, doing well
in college, and just so many, so many opportunities that
he was just getting into and you know, a young
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life cut short, which is always tragic. Yeah, So what
was interesting And again for listeners, don't worry. We put
all the hyperlinks and the information so you can listen
to or read about these articles in full in the
episode description after today's broadcast. But you know, the father,
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Rick Fee, was interviewed by our very own keynote speaker
Brooks Seam. So Brooke does a fair amount of interviews
on various broad podcasts herself. So this dad something that's
not right. Conversation is between Brooke and Rick, who again
lost his son Richard. And really a lot of people
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don't know, but I think someone in our audience will
know somebody that is on one or more psychiatric medications
and it's not always smooth sailing. You know what I
mean by that, Doctor Ashley, is it's not uncommon at
all for us to all experience, you know, effects of
the psychiatric drugs that folks take, and some of those
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effects are significant and severe. And one of the things
we're trying to raise awareness of is that we want
to make sure that anybody who's prescribing or you know, taking,
you know, there's what we call form consent, that there's
a lot of information shared from the very beginning about
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the pros and cons of a given medication or the
possibilities of interactive effects between one or more medications, and
that folks really have as much information prior to starting,
you know, the medication so they can make that good
decision about yes, I'm gonna try this, And and that
involves understanding what some of those sometimes called side effects,
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other people just call them drug effects, because all drugs
have effects. Whether it's my caffeine, if it's alcohol we
just had Saint Patti's Day, if it's any type of substance,
there's effects, and so.
Speaker 4 (06:39):
Folks, some of those can be pretty serious.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
Yeah, Now, one of the things I folks asked me
about this and I usually just direct folks to if
you watch any television, it's hard to get through an
hour's worth of any kind of broadcast TV without at
least one ad for psychiatric medications. And again, I just
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ask folks to pay attention to how much time is
spent on talking about the medication and its benefits, and
then how much of the commercial is spent, usually in
a very very very very rapid voice explaining all the
potential negative side effects. But my fear is because it's
so fast and there's so many things, I think there's
a tendency to just tune that out.
Speaker 4 (07:26):
I think so too, or like there's like in my family,
I've heard jokes about it too. Oh okay, definitely don't
want to take that medicine, you know, because it's like
you know, es usually.
Speaker 3 (07:36):
A rogue'es gal. It's like the worst possible symptoms ever. Yeah,
And I think I don't know, Yeah, I think there's
different reactions. I've talked to so many different people, But
more often some people like you will say, we're like, well,
why would I take that? That sounds horrible, that sounds
worse than what I'm struggling with. Right, But then I
think some other folks are so desperate that they just
kind of tune that out.
Speaker 4 (07:57):
Yeah, I think so too. And a lot of times
if you've ever been prescribed in medication by a doctor,
but like usually they'll hand you the packet of stuff
with all of the warnings on it, but like they
don't always have a conversation about those things. I don't
always read the thing, you know. I'm guilty of that myself.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
Sure, so you know, yeah, so, I mean this interview
is powerful, but it's also I you know, I want
folks to understand too, that Rick, you know, is still
grieving the loss of his son. It's not been that many,
you know, years since he's lost his son. So if
you know somebody that's maybe lost a son, or a daughter,
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a husband, wife, anybody to suicide. I just want folks
to know that before they listen, that you know, it
can be emotional to hear, you know, about his passing,
and but it might be helpful.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
My hope is and I know.
Speaker 3 (08:52):
The reason they did the interview was that they would
be helpful because we do lose people, even to suicide,
and that suicide my involve at least some of the
feelings that they're having because of the medications or the
flip side, and why we're having our conference this here
at RSVP. If somebody has just recently stopped taking a
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prescribed medication, maybe they didn't talk to their doctor about
how to tight trade off or to taper off. They
just did it on their own, or maybe they are
doing it under the care of a physician, but the
physician doesn't really know how to ty trade off a
given medication or one or more medications, because quite frankly,
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there's not been enough education in our view on that,
and that's why that's going to be a topic that
we're going to feature this year's our SVP about what
we know what we don't know about tight trading off
psychiatric bets.
Speaker 4 (09:47):
Yeah, I think it's a really important topic, and especially
we're hearing a lot of people using adderall now, a
lot of young people especially. There's even like a Netflix
special about I believe they're use in college.
Speaker 3 (09:59):
You know, I thought this was timely because you know,
the article will get into it. But there's a ton
of scripts being written for adderall right now, and as
you say, it's different age groups, but it's very common.
So let me doctor actually bear with me. I just
thought this quote was really important because this was Rick.
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Towards the end of the interview, Brooke basically asked him,
you know, what do you want people listening.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
To this podcast parents to know?
Speaker 3 (10:29):
You know, based on your experiences, and he said, quote,
for parents who are in the middle of this, whether
it's adderall or any other psychiatric drug, you know, reach
out to anybody that they think may help. It may
be someone influential in the person's life who is going
through this and might be able to get through to them.
Perhaps a close friend, mentor or coach. Anyone they believe
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could help. It could be another doctor, or it might
not be. What matters is finding someone who can make headway.
And what he's referencing there is sometimes even folks are
on these medications, they're still in distress, they're still struggling,
and you don't want to limit them. You want them
to get help. And if you can't do that, or
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you don't feel like you can connect with the person,
find somebody who can find that, Like he says, close friend, men,
or coach, anybody that they believe could be helpful to them.
And then families just need to recognize this and reach
out to whoever they can. Anyone is welcome to reach
out to us at the foundation that they set up,
and we will do everything in our power to connect
them with the right people. And they've already done this
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countless times before, he says, So, I.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
Think it was a hopeful podcast.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
Difficult subject matter obviously, whenever you're dealing with suicide and
losing a son or a daughter, it's very emotional. But
I'm recommending it to our audience that they might find
a value and it's not overly long.
Speaker 4 (11:50):
Yeah, and an important message for sure. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (11:53):
Well, our next piece, Doctor Ashley is around exploding myths
about schizophrenia. An interview with Courtney Harding. Now, doctor Harding
spoke at RSVP many years ago. I know she's a
bit of a legend in the field of counseling, psychology, psychiatry.
She was the principal investigator for the Vermont Longitudinal Study. Now,
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doctor Ashley, this is why I don't get invited to
parties because I'm a nerd. I know what the Vermont
Longitudinal Study is. I would say most of our audience
would say, what is he talking about?
Speaker 1 (12:31):
You know? So I get it.
Speaker 3 (12:33):
Yes, you probably have never heard of the Vermont Longitudinal Study,
and I don't blame you for that.
Speaker 4 (12:39):
That's why it's on the podcast.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
That's right.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
Please don't judge me for knowing about this. But doctor
Hardy wrote up a paper based on her research, and
it was very important and very influential because she was
one of the very first voices back in the seventies
and eighties to publish a paper that basically said, individual again,
this is whole historic, doctor Ashley, because she was writing
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about a time in the fifties and sixties where we
talk about deinstitutionalization in the United States when there are
a lot of folks that were in the hospital psychiatric
hospital system in our country. In that after some acts
were over signed around the Kennedy administration, it was all
about how can we move folks out of the state
psychiatric systems into communities. How can we stand up community
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systems of care so that they can see folks in
a community setting versus a psychiatric hospital setting, improve their
quality of life, functioning.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
Et cetera.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
So she started to study the folks that left the
hospital and moved into these communities, and particularly she wanted
to focus in on folks with the schizophreniat diagnosis, because
again then, like today, that diagnosis is often seen as
like the most severe.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
I think her thinking was, how.
Speaker 3 (13:55):
Would these most complicated and severe individuals fair in the community.
Is the institutionalization working basically is what she was trying
to ascertain, and lo and behold, she found out some
very important things. She was she noted big picture that
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the improvements that she observed, and it's called the longitudinal
study because she studied the same group or cohort cohort
group over time, so multiple interviews, so it wasn't just
a one and done, so she would go back year
after her and her researchers would go back year after
year and reinterview the same groups of folks to see
what's changed, how are they doing? And some of the
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things I wanted to read to the audience that I
thought were critical and this isn't obviously we'll link to
the study. There was one hundred and sixty eight people
in the interview. You know, eighty three percent at several
times were not in the hospital, so most of them
were living successfully out in the community. Sixty six percent
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moderately close to very close relationships. Again that that was
contrary to the thinking at the time and to this day,
the idea that folks with the severe diagnoses can be
successful not being in the hospital, living in the community,
forming close or very close relationships.
Speaker 4 (15:18):
I said, one hundred and two people were either married
with out or divorced, and that's yeah, you're right, that's
not something people think of with schizophrena often.
Speaker 3 (15:25):
Seventy six percent of them were meeting with friends every
week or two, so again that connection was there, Social
support was there. A lot of the folks were employed
forty seven percent, which is again goes against cuts against
the grain folks with this diagnosis.
Speaker 4 (15:41):
Stereotypes about people diagnosis.
Speaker 1 (15:44):
Yeah, seventy.
Speaker 3 (15:47):
Displayed slighter, no symptoms again amazing. Seventy nine percent were
meeting their own needs, and seventy six percent led moderate
to very full live. That's based on their report. And
then one of the clinchers was doctor Ashley, Well.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
How they do all this? You know?
Speaker 3 (16:08):
And only twenty five percent of them stayed on medications. Yeah,
so seventy five percent of it weren't even on medication.
So again that was you have to go back a
little bit in times in the seventies and eighties, that
was like, oh, hut.
Speaker 4 (16:22):
You know now because people thought what you need medication
to be functioning as.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
Especially with this diagnosis, you couldn't positive. So for the audience,
you know, you know, we we try to stress in
Ashland County that we're not a no medication county or board.
We just want to think deeply about the use of medications.
And we have a principle that we talk about a
lot called medication optimization, which means and this is all
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articulated in a document that it's available on our website
Ashley MHRB dot org, our human community, which talks about
just a real logical use of medications again delayed starting them,
used as few as possible, the lowest doses as possible,
for the shortest amount of time as possible, et cetera.
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And because what we find is there's an over reliance.
And even back then, we had evidence, even during deinstitutionalization,
that folks, even that were considered the most severe didn't
necessarily need psychiatric drugs for the rest of their lives.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
To be successful.
Speaker 3 (17:26):
And so Courtney's study, you might not be surprised Doctor
Ashley was buried, so it did not get the kind
of attention or traction that it should have.
Speaker 4 (17:40):
Why do you think that.
Speaker 3 (17:41):
You know, doctor Ashley, you're baiting me, You're tempting me
to say things that will get me in trouble. It
was not the message that a lot of folks wanted
to promote at the time, Particularly during the eighties and nineties,
we really saw the advent of psychiatric medications and their popularity,
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and you know, Prozac when it hit in the commercials,
et cetera.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
Things were just off and running.
Speaker 3 (18:06):
So the idea that folks with these severe conditions didn't
actually need psychiatric medications, or a large number of them
wouldn't need that to be successful, wasn't a narrative that
was embraced by a lot of folks. So but the
importance of the Vermont study is it did show that
from the very get go. I think what we all
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knew is counselors and social workers and other folks that
help folks with these conditions that they really were conditions
of living, problems of emotional severe emotional distress. But with
enough supports that didn't necessarily include psychiatric medications, folks could
live full, meaningful lives without it. And it's a shame,
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but we moved away but now we're moving back towards
what we knew could work.
Speaker 4 (18:58):
We talked a little bit a lot on our last podcast,
asked about Pat Wisser and recovered. Remember that that's just
another example of how people maybe don't sometimes expect people
with severe mental health troubles to recover, but that this
study really showed that that is possible people do and recovery.
Speaker 3 (19:16):
Yeah, I think people like Pat point back to the study.
It's not that people didn't pay attention to the Vermont study.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
It's just the.
Speaker 3 (19:24):
People that paid attention were oftentimes folks that were in
the system, people like Pat, and they would point to
it and say, listen, you know, recovery is possible. I'm
recovered and just like a lot of these people in
the study identified as recovered versus in recovery for the
rest of their lives. So you're right, and one of
the things I wanted to point out. Doctor Hardy was
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asked by Bob Whittaker, who also spoke at the OURSVP
consonants twice. He was doing the interview of doctor Hardy.
Bob Whitiker asked, final question, is our current paradigm of
care that sizes continual anti psychotics use, worsening overall recovery
rates for patients diagnosis schizophrenia, and robbing many of a
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chance at a robust Recovery interesting question, Doctor Harding says, well, bomb,
as I said earlier, all the completely and most significantly
improved people in the Chicago and Vermont studies because again
her study was replicated, we're off meds. Isn't there a
lesson to be learned here? So you know this is yeah,
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mic drop right, so and that is how they ended
their interview. So I think there really is significant evidence
that all along what we've been promoting here at the
board has been true. And what I mean by that
is there's a lot of folks that are struggling, maybe
given a diagnostic label or two, that can do very
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well without psychiatric medications for the rest of their lives
and they don't need to think of it in terms
of I've got this diagnosis, therefore this is the only
hope I have is to take these one or more
drugs for the rest of my life. It's just not true,
but it never has been.
Speaker 4 (21:11):
I love this as another very hopeful messa.
Speaker 3 (21:13):
Yes, I think, yes, yeah, I hope that's what the
audience gets through all of our podcasts, Doctor Ashley is
we're all about raising hope, but we do that through
awareness and education and some of these things we dip
into the past because that's important to me. I don't
want people thinking that we just started coming up with
this in the last couple of years, that the board
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just pulled us. No, We've based this on research that's
fifty or sixty years old. We've always known a lot
of these things. It's just, like I said, hasn't been
given the kind of platform. I think maybe that it
should be given. And now I am more hopeful doctor Ashley,
that these kinds of alternatives are getting more air and
maybe that's because of the rise of more new media,
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alternative media. You and I are doing a podcast which
we didn't even think of four or five years ago
as something that boards would do. But now we're able
to get information out to the community fairly quickly, and
so we're excited.
Speaker 4 (22:08):
Yeah, it's awesome.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
Yeah. Third article.
Speaker 3 (22:12):
We always like to if there's a new book on
the horizon, I always like to draw attention to it.
And again, these are typically books that we think make
the points that we try to make on the keeping
Ashland a healthy podcast and the board supports and the
book I wanted to draw everyone's attention was called Drop
the Disorder and Do Something activism to change the culture
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of mental health. And the author here is Joe Watson,
who's the psychotherapist, supervisor.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
Trainer and activist. And it's actually.
Speaker 3 (22:44):
Kind of a follow up to another book that she
wrote which was called Drop the Disorder back in twenty nineteen.
What's interesting about this book, She's collected forty contributors to
this book, and I'll read from what the description official description,
forty contributors who are challenging the culture of psychiatric diagnoses
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and disorder. They include all kinds of high profile names,
including our very own RSVP speakers, Bob Whitaker and doctor
Joanna Moncrief among others. So again, all these different folks
are talking about how they are trying to do something
to change the system, just like you and I are doing,
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Doctor Ashley, And they break up the book into these
four categories. Part one is around rewriting the narrative. Transforming
practice would be part two. Part three is our art
as activism. And some of our listeners may know the
last year's RSVP conference, Doctor Ashley was on art and
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music and how we can use that more in helping.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
People in their recovery.
Speaker 3 (23:49):
Yeah, I'll never forget that. That picture you drew was horrible,
but you know, I really appreciated your efforts.
Speaker 4 (23:56):
Not about the album, it's about the process.
Speaker 3 (24:00):
And then Parvour was activist journey, so very practical. So
our listeners who are interested like us in different ways,
folks are going about changing the system. I think they
can get inspiration, ideas, encouragement and support from one or
more of these forty stories. You think about that. So
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these are all folks that are doing something to change
the system. And I guess I find that encouraging, doctor Ashley,
because you and I are in the board and the
work we're doing in Ashton County. We're not alone. It
sometimes feels that way, but there are a lot of
folks throughout the United States and the world that are
really trying to change the paradigm and be more focused
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on recovery, trauma, medication optimization.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
And it's very hopeful.
Speaker 4 (24:48):
I think so too. I can't wait to read that. Actually,
I hadn't heard of that before.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
I don't know if it's out in the states.
Speaker 3 (24:52):
I know some of the things get released in England
before they get but yes, I think it should be
here soon. Again, the author is Joe Watson, the name
of the book, Drop the Disorder and Do Something activism
to change culture of mental health, change the culture of
mental health. And again all these things will be hyperlinked
in our episode description. Now, this last one you were
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going to take the lead on because we wanted to
feature our last speaker at RSVP this year that we
haven't had a chance to highlight.
Speaker 4 (25:23):
Yeah, So we want to talk a little bit about
Stanley Franks. Stanley, he is a Certified Peer Recovery Support
Specialist CPRSS.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
We always have an acronym, yeah, doctor.
Speaker 4 (25:36):
And he's going to be presenting on peer support. His
presentations titled Peer Support and Evidence Based look into the
Importance of Peer Support. So I think Stanley has a
really unique perspective. I'm going to share a little.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
Yeah, his story. Can you share a little.
Speaker 4 (25:52):
A little bit about his bio here. So at sixteen,
Stanley found himself facing a life sentence in prison. According
to stan he believe that by God's mercy and God's grace,
what started as a life sentence ended up being a
ten year sentence where Stanley was given a new life.
Stanley is now a husband and father. He founded a
peer run nonprofit organization called Young Christian Professionals, serving those
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who find themselves on similar journeys of re entry through safe, stable, supportive,
peer led and faith based support in their re entry.
And then I mean, he's done a ton of stuff,
So I could list all of that, but I think
his story is a little bit different, and he it
seems like he focuses on helping people have been in
prison re enter the community.
Speaker 3 (26:39):
And one of the things that he came to our
attention because folks here in Ashland County that are working
as peers were trained by him. So he's been contracted
with by the Department Mental Health and Addiction Services to
train people that want to be a peer supporter.
Speaker 4 (26:56):
Yeah, I think that's great. So in the planning of
the RSVP conference, I think it's kind of unique that
we have people who are peer supporters in the community
and consumers of services involved in the planning process of
the conference.
Speaker 1 (27:09):
Yeah, that's critical.
Speaker 4 (27:10):
And we talked about peer support with them how important
it is, and they really emphasize wanting to have this
as a topic at the conference this year. Yep, so
that came from them.
Speaker 3 (27:20):
Now it did, and I'll just say again, we'll mention
this in the in the episode description. But the state
of Ohio is focused on standing up, developing, increasing the
number of peer supporters in the state. And because it's
still a very young new discipline. You know, the credentialing process,
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the licensing process, the education process, the certification, all these
different ideas on how to stand it up, how to
how to supervise it, how do you go about setting
billing codes, what you know, the job descriptions, if you will,
What was the license, your certification allow these professionals to do.
How do we incorporate them into the existing community behavioral
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health system or other systems that they might interact with.
All of that is still in process. Stanley, I think
is going to to be able to share a little
bit about what that looks like in Ohio. But it
is part in terms of what I see, doctor Ashley,
it's going to be with us here in Ohio for
a while. We've got workforce challenges in the state of
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Ohio when it comes to behavioral health, mental health, and
substance use workers. I think the peer support workers. Again,
these are individuals that have had life experience, life experiences
with mental health and or our substance use. They're in
recovery or recovered, and they they really want to give
back and they want to basically harness utilize that personal
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experience in helping others in an appropriate way. And they
learn that through again the certification licensure process, through training
from people like Stanley, who I think leverages a lot
of his own experiences in the work he does.
Speaker 4 (28:58):
I think that makes sense too. If you're talking to
someone who's been through a situation you've been through, it
can actually be helpful in a different way, like a
deeper level of understanding of that. And I think that's
why peer support is especially helpful for a lot of people.
Speaker 1 (29:13):
No, I think that's well said.
Speaker 3 (29:15):
So again, Stanley is one of several we think just
wonderful speakers that are coming this year at RSVP. Again,
it's if you haven't signed up yet, you probably can't
get in person, but you can still probably get in
to see the zoom because that's unlimited doctor Ashley. And
we only had about one hundred seats in person, and
I think most of those have sold out, but if
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you are still interested, there's probably still time if you well,
I don't know by the time you hear this time
this drops, Doctor Ashley, it might be too late. It'll
be kind of close and try you can try, yeah
and again. It'll be www dot Ashland, MHRB dot org
if you'd like to register for the conference, and like
I said, because we are offering zoom, you could probably
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do that.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
We're allowing people to sign up even day before.
Speaker 4 (29:58):
Yeah, so it's only ten bucks for the Zoom.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
Ten bucks.
Speaker 3 (30:02):
You can barely get a cup of soup for that.
So yeah, things are growing up, you know, prices, but eggs,
eggs are dropping.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
I think I'm hoping, you know, because I like my eggs.
Speaker 3 (30:13):
Well, Doctor Ashley. I appreciate your input in your reflections
as always, uh for our audience, you know, please, we
hope to see you out and about. Doctor Ashley and
I will be at r s v P. We will
sign things.
Speaker 4 (30:28):
Yeah, we'll see at RSVP.
Speaker 1 (30:30):
You're if you're there, hit us up. We will sign.
If you bring merch, we're gonna have merch at the conference.
Speaker 3 (30:36):
If you want a Doctor Ashley and the Boss keeping
Ashley and healthy mug we might have a few there.
Brooks seam our keynote speaker. We'll definitely have her books there.
If you don't already have that, there'll be an opportunity
for you to purchase Brooks book. We're just so thrilled
about the conference. We just love the partnership with AU
at convo. We will be recording the conference as well,
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so we'll give details later on about how folks might
be able to access that if they weren't able to
make it, either in person or zoom so Dodger actually,
any final words before we leave the audience.
Speaker 4 (31:13):
Thanks for listening, and we hope to see you next
week at the conference.
Speaker 1 (31:17):
Yes, thank you very much.
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somebody in if they prefer that. So, uh, today, Doctor Ashley,
we've got a few articles. We are just about a
week out from our big RSVP conference over at au
and the Convocation Center are sixteenth annual. So exciting, Yes, man,
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I mean we that's almost as old as you are.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
Can you believe that.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
We have this conference we have been doing for a
long time. We have got another fabulous lineup. In one
of the agenda topics for today will be the last
of our speakers. We've tried to highlight all of our
speakers before the conference, so we're down to our last
speaker that we wanted to kind of highlight, promote and discuss.
We'll get to that but before the antactor. Actually, we've
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got some articles that I think people will find interesting.
We're always trying to be cutting edge on the Keeping
Ashland Healthy podcast, So let's kick it off with an
article that was written for Mad in America a week
or so ago, and this was an interview and it
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was called Dad, some Thing's not Right Richard Fee on
the dangers of adderall. Now, what a lot of folks
probably don't know is Richard passed away from He died
by suicide, but he was had some complications due to
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his adderall prescription, and his father and mother have really
started a foundation, the Richard Fee Foundation, in honor of him.
But also to again try to make sense of his
death and that loss and try to manage some of
the emotions they've experienced from anger to just you know
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some I think sadness and grief over the loss of
their son who was relatively young. I wonder, Yeah, he
was younger and really had, like a lot of young
people had, you know, just starting his life, doing well
in college, and just so many, so many opportunities that
he was just getting into and you know, a young
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life cut short, which is always tragic. Yeah, So what
was interesting And again for listeners, don't worry. We put
all the hyperlinks and the information so you can listen
to or read about these articles in full in the
episode description after today's broadcast. But you know, the father,
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Rick Fee, was interviewed by our very own keynote speaker
Brooks Seam. So Brooke does a fair amount of interviews
on various broad podcasts herself. So this dad something that's
not right. Conversation is between Brooke and Rick, who again
lost his son Richard. And really a lot of people
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don't know, but I think someone in our audience will
know somebody that is on one or more psychiatric medications
and it's not always smooth sailing. You know what I
mean by that, Doctor Ashley, is it's not uncommon at
all for us to all experience, you know, effects of
the psychiatric drugs that folks take, and some of those
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effects are significant and severe. And one of the things
we're trying to raise awareness of is that we want
to make sure that anybody who's prescribing or you know, taking,
you know, there's what we call form consent, that there's
a lot of information shared from the very beginning about
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the pros and cons of a given medication or the
possibilities of interactive effects between one or more medications, and
that folks really have as much information prior to starting,
you know, the medication so they can make that good
decision about yes, I'm gonna try this, And and that
involves understanding what some of those sometimes called side effects,
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other people just call them drug effects, because all drugs
have effects. Whether it's my caffeine, if it's alcohol we
just had Saint Patti's Day, if it's any type of substance,
there's effects, and so.
Speaker 4 (06:39):
Folks, some of those can be pretty serious.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
Yeah, Now, one of the things I folks asked me
about this and I usually just direct folks to if
you watch any television, it's hard to get through an
hour's worth of any kind of broadcast TV without at
least one ad for psychiatric medications. And again, I just
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ask folks to pay attention to how much time is
spent on talking about the medication and its benefits, and
then how much of the commercial is spent, usually in
a very very very very rapid voice explaining all the
potential negative side effects. But my fear is because it's
so fast and there's so many things, I think there's
a tendency to just tune that out.
Speaker 4 (07:26):
I think so too, or like there's like in my family,
I've heard jokes about it too. Oh okay, definitely don't
want to take that medicine, you know, because it's like
you know, es usually.
Speaker 3 (07:36):
A rogue'es gal. It's like the worst possible symptoms ever. Yeah,
And I think I don't know, Yeah, I think there's
different reactions. I've talked to so many different people, But
more often some people like you will say, we're like, well,
why would I take that? That sounds horrible, that sounds
worse than what I'm struggling with. Right, But then I
think some other folks are so desperate that they just
kind of tune that out.
Speaker 4 (07:57):
Yeah, I think so too. And a lot of times
if you've ever been prescribed in medication by a doctor,
but like usually they'll hand you the packet of stuff
with all of the warnings on it, but like they
don't always have a conversation about those things. I don't
always read the thing, you know. I'm guilty of that myself.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
Sure, so you know, yeah, so, I mean this interview
is powerful, but it's also I you know, I want
folks to understand too, that Rick, you know, is still
grieving the loss of his son. It's not been that many,
you know, years since he's lost his son. So if
you know somebody that's maybe lost a son, or a daughter,
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a husband, wife, anybody to suicide. I just want folks
to know that before they listen, that you know, it
can be emotional to hear, you know, about his passing,
and but it might be helpful.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
My hope is and I know.
Speaker 3 (08:52):
The reason they did the interview was that they would
be helpful because we do lose people, even to suicide,
and that suicide my involve at least some of the
feelings that they're having because of the medications or the
flip side, and why we're having our conference this here
at RSVP. If somebody has just recently stopped taking a
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prescribed medication, maybe they didn't talk to their doctor about
how to tight trade off or to taper off. They
just did it on their own, or maybe they are
doing it under the care of a physician, but the
physician doesn't really know how to ty trade off a
given medication or one or more medications, because quite frankly,
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there's not been enough education in our view on that,
and that's why that's going to be a topic that
we're going to feature this year's our SVP about what
we know what we don't know about tight trading off
psychiatric bets.
Speaker 4 (09:47):
Yeah, I think it's a really important topic, and especially
we're hearing a lot of people using adderall now, a
lot of young people especially. There's even like a Netflix
special about I believe they're use in college.
Speaker 3 (09:59):
You know, I thought this was timely because you know,
the article will get into it. But there's a ton
of scripts being written for adderall right now, and as
you say, it's different age groups, but it's very common.
So let me doctor actually bear with me. I just
thought this quote was really important because this was Rick.
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Towards the end of the interview, Brooke basically asked him,
you know, what do you want people listening.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
To this podcast parents to know?
Speaker 3 (10:29):
You know, based on your experiences, and he said, quote,
for parents who are in the middle of this, whether
it's adderall or any other psychiatric drug, you know, reach
out to anybody that they think may help. It may
be someone influential in the person's life who is going
through this and might be able to get through to them.
Perhaps a close friend, mentor or coach. Anyone they believe
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could help. It could be another doctor, or it might
not be. What matters is finding someone who can make headway.
And what he's referencing there is sometimes even folks are
on these medications, they're still in distress, they're still struggling,
and you don't want to limit them. You want them
to get help. And if you can't do that, or
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you don't feel like you can connect with the person,
find somebody who can find that, Like he says, close friend, men,
or coach, anybody that they believe could be helpful to them.
And then families just need to recognize this and reach
out to whoever they can. Anyone is welcome to reach
out to us at the foundation that they set up,
and we will do everything in our power to connect
them with the right people. And they've already done this
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countless times before, he says, So, I.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
Think it was a hopeful podcast.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
Difficult subject matter obviously, whenever you're dealing with suicide and
losing a son or a daughter, it's very emotional. But
I'm recommending it to our audience that they might find
a value and it's not overly long.
Speaker 4 (11:50):
Yeah, and an important message for sure. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (11:53):
Well, our next piece, Doctor Ashley is around exploding myths
about schizophrenia. An interview with Courtney Harding. Now, doctor Harding
spoke at RSVP many years ago. I know she's a
bit of a legend in the field of counseling, psychology, psychiatry.
She was the principal investigator for the Vermont Longitudinal Study. Now,
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doctor Ashley, this is why I don't get invited to
parties because I'm a nerd. I know what the Vermont
Longitudinal Study is. I would say most of our audience
would say, what is he talking about?
Speaker 1 (12:31):
You know? So I get it.
Speaker 3 (12:33):
Yes, you probably have never heard of the Vermont Longitudinal Study,
and I don't blame you for that.
Speaker 4 (12:39):
That's why it's on the podcast.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
That's right.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
Please don't judge me for knowing about this. But doctor
Hardy wrote up a paper based on her research, and
it was very important and very influential because she was
one of the very first voices back in the seventies
and eighties to publish a paper that basically said, individual again,
this is whole historic, doctor Ashley, because she was writing
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about a time in the fifties and sixties where we
talk about deinstitutionalization in the United States when there are
a lot of folks that were in the hospital psychiatric
hospital system in our country. In that after some acts
were over signed around the Kennedy administration, it was all
about how can we move folks out of the state
psychiatric systems into communities. How can we stand up community
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systems of care so that they can see folks in
a community setting versus a psychiatric hospital setting, improve their
quality of life, functioning.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
Et cetera.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
So she started to study the folks that left the
hospital and moved into these communities, and particularly she wanted
to focus in on folks with the schizophreniat diagnosis, because
again then, like today, that diagnosis is often seen as
like the most severe.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
I think her thinking was, how.
Speaker 3 (13:55):
Would these most complicated and severe individuals fair in the community.
Is the institutionalization working basically is what she was trying
to ascertain, and lo and behold, she found out some
very important things. She was she noted big picture that
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the improvements that she observed, and it's called the longitudinal
study because she studied the same group or cohort cohort
group over time, so multiple interviews, so it wasn't just
a one and done, so she would go back year
after her and her researchers would go back year after
year and reinterview the same groups of folks to see
what's changed, how are they doing? And some of the
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things I wanted to read to the audience that I
thought were critical and this isn't obviously we'll link to
the study. There was one hundred and sixty eight people
in the interview. You know, eighty three percent at several
times were not in the hospital, so most of them
were living successfully out in the community. Sixty six percent
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moderately close to very close relationships. Again that that was
contrary to the thinking at the time and to this day,
the idea that folks with the severe diagnoses can be
successful not being in the hospital, living in the community,
forming close or very close relationships.
Speaker 4 (15:18):
I said, one hundred and two people were either married
with out or divorced, and that's yeah, you're right, that's
not something people think of with schizophrena often.
Speaker 3 (15:25):
Seventy six percent of them were meeting with friends every
week or two, so again that connection was there, Social
support was there. A lot of the folks were employed
forty seven percent, which is again goes against cuts against
the grain folks with this diagnosis.
Speaker 4 (15:41):
Stereotypes about people diagnosis.
Speaker 1 (15:44):
Yeah, seventy.
Speaker 3 (15:47):
Displayed slighter, no symptoms again amazing. Seventy nine percent were
meeting their own needs, and seventy six percent led moderate
to very full live. That's based on their report. And
then one of the clinchers was doctor Ashley, Well.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
How they do all this? You know?
Speaker 3 (16:08):
And only twenty five percent of them stayed on medications. Yeah,
so seventy five percent of it weren't even on medication.
So again that was you have to go back a
little bit in times in the seventies and eighties, that
was like, oh, hut.
Speaker 4 (16:22):
You know now because people thought what you need medication
to be functioning as.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
Especially with this diagnosis, you couldn't positive. So for the audience,
you know, you know, we we try to stress in
Ashland County that we're not a no medication county or board.
We just want to think deeply about the use of medications.
And we have a principle that we talk about a
lot called medication optimization, which means and this is all
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articulated in a document that it's available on our website
Ashley MHRB dot org, our human community, which talks about
just a real logical use of medications again delayed starting them,
used as few as possible, the lowest doses as possible,
for the shortest amount of time as possible, et cetera.
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And because what we find is there's an over reliance.
And even back then, we had evidence, even during deinstitutionalization,
that folks, even that were considered the most severe didn't
necessarily need psychiatric drugs for the rest of their lives.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
To be successful.
Speaker 3 (17:26):
And so Courtney's study, you might not be surprised Doctor
Ashley was buried, so it did not get the kind
of attention or traction that it should have.
Speaker 4 (17:40):
Why do you think that.
Speaker 3 (17:41):
You know, doctor Ashley, you're baiting me, You're tempting me
to say things that will get me in trouble. It
was not the message that a lot of folks wanted
to promote at the time, Particularly during the eighties and nineties,
we really saw the advent of psychiatric medications and their popularity,
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and you know, Prozac when it hit in the commercials,
et cetera.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
Things were just off and running.
Speaker 3 (18:06):
So the idea that folks with these severe conditions didn't
actually need psychiatric medications, or a large number of them
wouldn't need that to be successful, wasn't a narrative that
was embraced by a lot of folks. So but the
importance of the Vermont study is it did show that
from the very get go. I think what we all
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knew is counselors and social workers and other folks that
help folks with these conditions that they really were conditions
of living, problems of emotional severe emotional distress. But with
enough supports that didn't necessarily include psychiatric medications, folks could
live full, meaningful lives without it. And it's a shame,
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but we moved away but now we're moving back towards
what we knew could work.
Speaker 4 (18:58):
We talked a little bit a lot on our last podcast,
asked about Pat Wisser and recovered. Remember that that's just
another example of how people maybe don't sometimes expect people
with severe mental health troubles to recover, but that this
study really showed that that is possible people do and recovery.
Speaker 3 (19:16):
Yeah, I think people like Pat point back to the study.
It's not that people didn't pay attention to the Vermont study.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
It's just the.
Speaker 3 (19:24):
People that paid attention were oftentimes folks that were in
the system, people like Pat, and they would point to
it and say, listen, you know, recovery is possible. I'm
recovered and just like a lot of these people in
the study identified as recovered versus in recovery for the
rest of their lives. So you're right, and one of
the things I wanted to point out. Doctor Hardy was
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asked by Bob Whittaker, who also spoke at the OURSVP
consonants twice. He was doing the interview of doctor Hardy.
Bob Whitiker asked, final question, is our current paradigm of
care that sizes continual anti psychotics use, worsening overall recovery
rates for patients diagnosis schizophrenia, and robbing many of a
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chance at a robust Recovery interesting question, Doctor Harding says, well, bomb,
as I said earlier, all the completely and most significantly
improved people in the Chicago and Vermont studies because again
her study was replicated, we're off meds. Isn't there a
lesson to be learned here? So you know this is yeah,
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mic drop right, so and that is how they ended
their interview. So I think there really is significant evidence
that all along what we've been promoting here at the
board has been true. And what I mean by that
is there's a lot of folks that are struggling, maybe
given a diagnostic label or two, that can do very
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well without psychiatric medications for the rest of their lives
and they don't need to think of it in terms
of I've got this diagnosis, therefore this is the only
hope I have is to take these one or more
drugs for the rest of my life. It's just not true,
but it never has been.
Speaker 4 (21:11):
I love this as another very hopeful messa.
Speaker 3 (21:13):
Yes, I think, yes, yeah, I hope that's what the
audience gets through all of our podcasts, Doctor Ashley is
we're all about raising hope, but we do that through
awareness and education and some of these things we dip
into the past because that's important to me. I don't
want people thinking that we just started coming up with
this in the last couple of years, that the board
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just pulled us. No, We've based this on research that's
fifty or sixty years old. We've always known a lot
of these things. It's just, like I said, hasn't been
given the kind of platform. I think maybe that it
should be given. And now I am more hopeful doctor Ashley,
that these kinds of alternatives are getting more air and
maybe that's because of the rise of more new media,
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alternative media. You and I are doing a podcast which
we didn't even think of four or five years ago
as something that boards would do. But now we're able
to get information out to the community fairly quickly, and
so we're excited.
Speaker 4 (22:08):
Yeah, it's awesome.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
Yeah. Third article.
Speaker 3 (22:12):
We always like to if there's a new book on
the horizon, I always like to draw attention to it.
And again, these are typically books that we think make
the points that we try to make on the keeping
Ashland a healthy podcast and the board supports and the
book I wanted to draw everyone's attention was called Drop
the Disorder and Do Something activism to change the culture
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of mental health. And the author here is Joe Watson,
who's the psychotherapist, supervisor.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
Trainer and activist. And it's actually.
Speaker 3 (22:44):
Kind of a follow up to another book that she
wrote which was called Drop the Disorder back in twenty nineteen.
What's interesting about this book, She's collected forty contributors to
this book, and I'll read from what the description official description,
forty contributors who are challenging the culture of psychiatric diagnoses
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and disorder. They include all kinds of high profile names,
including our very own RSVP speakers, Bob Whitaker and doctor
Joanna Moncrief among others. So again, all these different folks
are talking about how they are trying to do something
to change the system, just like you and I are doing,
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Doctor Ashley, And they break up the book into these
four categories. Part one is around rewriting the narrative. Transforming
practice would be part two. Part three is our art
as activism. And some of our listeners may know the
last year's RSVP conference, Doctor Ashley was on art and
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music and how we can use that more in helping.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
People in their recovery.
Speaker 3 (23:49):
Yeah, I'll never forget that. That picture you drew was horrible,
but you know, I really appreciated your efforts.
Speaker 4 (23:56):
Not about the album, it's about the process.
Speaker 3 (24:00):
And then Parvour was activist journey, so very practical. So
our listeners who are interested like us in different ways,
folks are going about changing the system. I think they
can get inspiration, ideas, encouragement and support from one or
more of these forty stories. You think about that. So
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these are all folks that are doing something to change
the system. And I guess I find that encouraging, doctor Ashley,
because you and I are in the board and the
work we're doing in Ashton County. We're not alone. It
sometimes feels that way, but there are a lot of
folks throughout the United States and the world that are
really trying to change the paradigm and be more focused
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on recovery, trauma, medication optimization.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
And it's very hopeful.
Speaker 4 (24:48):
I think so too. I can't wait to read that. Actually,
I hadn't heard of that before.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
I don't know if it's out in the states.
Speaker 3 (24:52):
I know some of the things get released in England
before they get but yes, I think it should be
here soon. Again, the author is Joe Watson, the name
of the book, Drop the Disorder and Do Something activism
to change culture of mental health, change the culture of
mental health. And again all these things will be hyperlinked
in our episode description. Now, this last one you were
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going to take the lead on because we wanted to
feature our last speaker at RSVP this year that we
haven't had a chance to highlight.
Speaker 4 (25:23):
Yeah, So we want to talk a little bit about
Stanley Franks. Stanley, he is a Certified Peer Recovery Support
Specialist CPRSS.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
We always have an acronym, yeah, doctor.
Speaker 4 (25:36):
And he's going to be presenting on peer support. His
presentations titled Peer Support and Evidence Based look into the
Importance of Peer Support. So I think Stanley has a
really unique perspective. I'm going to share a little.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
Yeah, his story. Can you share a little.
Speaker 4 (25:52):
A little bit about his bio here. So at sixteen,
Stanley found himself facing a life sentence in prison. According
to stan he believe that by God's mercy and God's grace,
what started as a life sentence ended up being a
ten year sentence where Stanley was given a new life.
Stanley is now a husband and father. He founded a
peer run nonprofit organization called Young Christian Professionals, serving those
(26:15):
who find themselves on similar journeys of re entry through safe, stable, supportive,
peer led and faith based support in their re entry.
And then I mean, he's done a ton of stuff,
So I could list all of that, but I think
his story is a little bit different, and he it
seems like he focuses on helping people have been in
prison re enter the community.
Speaker 3 (26:39):
And one of the things that he came to our
attention because folks here in Ashland County that are working
as peers were trained by him. So he's been contracted
with by the Department Mental Health and Addiction Services to
train people that want to be a peer supporter.
Speaker 4 (26:56):
Yeah, I think that's great. So in the planning of
the RSVP conference, I think it's kind of unique that
we have people who are peer supporters in the community
and consumers of services involved in the planning process of
the conference.
Speaker 1 (27:09):
Yeah, that's critical.
Speaker 4 (27:10):
And we talked about peer support with them how important
it is, and they really emphasize wanting to have this
as a topic at the conference this year. Yep, so
that came from them.
Speaker 3 (27:20):
Now it did, and I'll just say again, we'll mention
this in the in the episode description. But the state
of Ohio is focused on standing up, developing, increasing the
number of peer supporters in the state. And because it's
still a very young new discipline. You know, the credentialing process,
(27:43):
the licensing process, the education process, the certification, all these
different ideas on how to stand it up, how to
how to supervise it, how do you go about setting
billing codes, what you know, the job descriptions, if you will,
What was the license, your certification allow these professionals to do.
How do we incorporate them into the existing community behavioral
(28:03):
health system or other systems that they might interact with.
All of that is still in process. Stanley, I think
is going to to be able to share a little
bit about what that looks like in Ohio. But it
is part in terms of what I see, doctor Ashley,
it's going to be with us here in Ohio for
a while. We've got workforce challenges in the state of
(28:24):
Ohio when it comes to behavioral health, mental health, and
substance use workers. I think the peer support workers. Again,
these are individuals that have had life experience, life experiences
with mental health and or our substance use. They're in
recovery or recovered, and they they really want to give
back and they want to basically harness utilize that personal
(28:44):
experience in helping others in an appropriate way. And they
learn that through again the certification licensure process, through training
from people like Stanley, who I think leverages a lot
of his own experiences in the work he does.
Speaker 4 (28:58):
I think that makes sense too. If you're talking to
someone who's been through a situation you've been through, it
can actually be helpful in a different way, like a
deeper level of understanding of that. And I think that's
why peer support is especially helpful for a lot of people.
Speaker 1 (29:13):
No, I think that's well said.
Speaker 3 (29:15):
So again, Stanley is one of several we think just
wonderful speakers that are coming this year at RSVP. Again,
it's if you haven't signed up yet, you probably can't
get in person, but you can still probably get in
to see the zoom because that's unlimited doctor Ashley. And
we only had about one hundred seats in person, and
I think most of those have sold out, but if
(29:35):
you are still interested, there's probably still time if you well,
I don't know by the time you hear this time
this drops, Doctor Ashley, it might be too late. It'll
be kind of close and try you can try, yeah
and again. It'll be www dot Ashland, MHRB dot org
if you'd like to register for the conference, and like
I said, because we are offering zoom, you could probably
(29:56):
do that.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
We're allowing people to sign up even day before.
Speaker 4 (29:58):
Yeah, so it's only ten bucks for the Zoom.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
Ten bucks.
Speaker 3 (30:02):
You can barely get a cup of soup for that.
So yeah, things are growing up, you know, prices, but eggs,
eggs are dropping.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
I think I'm hoping, you know, because I like my eggs.
Speaker 3 (30:13):
Well, Doctor Ashley. I appreciate your input in your reflections
as always, uh for our audience, you know, please, we
hope to see you out and about. Doctor Ashley and
I will be at r s v P. We will
sign things.
Speaker 4 (30:28):
Yeah, we'll see at RSVP.
Speaker 1 (30:30):
You're if you're there, hit us up. We will sign.
If you bring merch, we're gonna have merch at the conference.
Speaker 3 (30:36):
If you want a Doctor Ashley and the Boss keeping
Ashley and healthy mug we might have a few there.
Brooks seam our keynote speaker. We'll definitely have her books there.
If you don't already have that, there'll be an opportunity
for you to purchase Brooks book. We're just so thrilled
about the conference. We just love the partnership with AU
at convo. We will be recording the conference as well,
(31:00):
so we'll give details later on about how folks might
be able to access that if they weren't able to
make it, either in person or zoom so Dodger actually,
any final words before we leave the audience.
Speaker 4 (31:13):
Thanks for listening, and we hope to see you next
week at the conference.
Speaker 1 (31:17):
Yes, thank you very much.
Speaker 2 (31:19):
Thank you for listening to another episode of the Keeping
Ashland Healthy podcast. The podcast is a production of the
Mental Health and Recovery Board of Ashland County, Ohio. You
can reach the board by calling four one nine two
eight one three one three nine. Please remember that the
board funds a local twenty four to seven crisis line
through Applese Community Mental Health Center. It can be reached
by calling four one nine two eight nine sixty one
(31:42):
one one. That's four one nine two eight nine sixty
one one, one until next time, Please join us in
keeping Ashland healthy.
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