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Speaker 1 (00:00):
That's the color analyst of the Denver Broncos. He believes,
and he wear the diaper. Jody is down on the
Kwai commasburd Health Hotline the One and only the Best.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
Rick Lewis is X and be in studio with us tomorrow. Rick,
my friend, how are you?
Speaker 3 (00:12):
Hey? You know it's the new year, guys, it's twenty
twenty five. Are we still going to go with the
diaper thing?
Speaker 4 (00:18):
If I had to wear the diaper, I would do it.
Speaker 5 (00:20):
Yeah. Yeah, that's Grant Smith right there.
Speaker 4 (00:23):
I think the diaper thing, Rick. I hate to tell
you this. I think it lives forever.
Speaker 5 (00:32):
I might love you apparently.
Speaker 3 (00:35):
Yeah that's what it seems. Yeah, good to be on
with you, guys. I'm still searching for Rick James House.
I want to find Rick James House.
Speaker 4 (00:44):
You're also searching for Lake Erie.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
Yeah, God, let.
Speaker 5 (00:51):
Me live that one down. No, man, you don't.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
You don't want to disappoint Dave Logan because he gives
you that.
Speaker 6 (00:57):
Well Rick, Rick is so coach Logan.
Speaker 7 (00:59):
I mean no, he's He's like, you know, we're gonna
we can't find a place to eat because everything's shut
in downtown Buffalo. He goes, hey, I saw Lake Erie
from my hotel window, and it's like six blocks down
this way. Let's go for a walk. So it's me
and Susie and AJ and Rick. We're like, all right, now,
keep in mind it's probably twenty five degrees. We're like, okay,
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you know, let's get let's get a walk on. So
we started walking down and fellas we're walking, We're walking
for like forty minutes.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
Oh my gosh, you know, just enjoying some of this company.
Speaker 7 (01:32):
And then all of a sudden, Susie goes, Rick, I
don't think we're going the right way, and then we
find it out that indeed we're going away from Lake Erie.
Speaker 6 (01:44):
It was just like a Sarah Palin I could see
Russia from my house kind of that.
Speaker 4 (01:47):
You know, I'm not going to go quite that far
with my partner, but it.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
Was that a loqueductor? Was it actually lake Erie?
Speaker 5 (01:54):
Listen?
Speaker 4 (01:54):
We were tired by the time we got back. I'm
just going to say that.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
Oh it was all fun. That car splashed off it.
Speaker 4 (02:04):
At the corner right through the store.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
It's some ice and snow everywhere. We're standing at the
corner waiting to cross. This is after walking about two
and a half miles and this car comes by.
Speaker 8 (02:14):
It just just dust me with with water and I
ended up it got a soaker, which I haven't had
since I was a kid back in Detroit. I had
to walk all the way back to the hotel in
shame because we couldn't find Lake Erie with a wet
sock and wet shoe.
Speaker 4 (02:30):
He was drenched.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
No, it was funny, cry laughing right now, that's amazing.
Speaker 4 (02:39):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
You know these stories don't always make the air. You know,
we were doing the broadcast.
Speaker 7 (02:43):
For sure, I said, listen, whatever, I get the opportunity.
We're talking about this for sure, and Memoirs would do something,
you know, that'd be something I would do. Like it's
screwed up, Like, hey, we'll walk down here, we'll go
about six blocks and it's Lake Erie.
Speaker 4 (02:59):
We can see it.
Speaker 7 (02:59):
And I even said at the time, I mean, is
I've seen Lake Carry I played there for like nine
years up the road, and isn't the lake frozen at
this time?
Speaker 8 (03:07):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (03:07):
Yeah, yeah, it's frozen. You know, we'll be able to
see it and it'll be cool.
Speaker 7 (03:12):
So it's like, all right, hey, listen, it's a little exercise.
Why don't we just go ahead and do it until
we find out we're walking the wrong direction.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
For forty minutes, I went back to my room in shame,
and I took a picture of Lake.
Speaker 5 (03:23):
Carrie from my whole showroom.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
I chexted at to Day and said, oh, you took
that picture out of Time bagage.
Speaker 4 (03:30):
I said, it's in nineteen sixty seven cover of Time magazine.
Speaker 5 (03:36):
Yeah, never let me forget that one.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
Well, that's fantastic. Well, Rick again, looking forward to more
of those stories. Ky, what's the unpack all that tomorrow?
That's that's fantastic. Can't wait for You're in the being studio. Hey,
cursory thoughts man, you know, end of the season. We
just were playing some sound from the end of season
press conference just a little bit ago.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
How are you feeling a couple of days removed.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
It was a brutal loss, but again, big picture, there's
some some positive certainly.
Speaker 5 (04:00):
Yeah, it was a really.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
Fun season, I'd say the best out of the eight
years that.
Speaker 5 (04:06):
I've been doing this.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
And disappointing ending obviously, I was expecting them to be
more competitive. Now the game was close, you know, late
into the third quarter. But when will watch missed that
field goal late in the first half. My heart kind
of sunk a little bit because it felt like, Okay,
it's going to be one of those kind of games,
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and it turned out that's what it was. And I
wasn't expecting Buffalo to blow them out, but it got
pretty ugly there in the fourth quarter, and so it
was disappointing. It was a disappointing ending. But looking back
on the season retrospectively at tea a couple of days
to look at it, I think they overachieved. I feel
like they were an overachieving team for several reasons. They
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got way better quarterback play than I think anybody was expecting.
And when you consider they want ten games, went to
the postseason with a rookie quarterback and they started the
season zero to two, I don't think anybody had that
on their Bengo card. You know, they never had a
tight end that you know, could be productive in the
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passing game, never really had a running back that was
productive in the running game. They didn't have one one
hundred yard rusher all season long. They were the only
team of the league not to do that. Some problems
I think at inside lippenbacker safety Riley Moss gets hurt,
which made things a little tricky down the stretch. But
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looking at that, I think ten wins and playing in
Buffalo on a road game, they overachieved this season. In
all of that being said, I think this will make
them a better football team for twenty twenty five, twenty
twenty six.
Speaker 7 (05:54):
So let's just say that everything you just mentioned is true,
and now you can pick one position to fortify next
year with the first round draft choice. And we really
haven't even started breaking the draft down and all that,
but you can pick one position to really solidify the
spots that you mentioned.
Speaker 4 (06:16):
Which spot would it be?
Speaker 3 (06:18):
You know what, a lot of mock drafts are saying,
the Broncos will take a gent from Boise State. You
know when I see that end up kind of salivating.
Speaker 5 (06:29):
A little bit.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
I think I would go running back if you could
get him, And I think they probably got a decent
shot at that, because you know, they want to.
Speaker 5 (06:39):
Run the ball. They would love to be able to
run the ball.
Speaker 3 (06:41):
We talk about that every single week, you know, you
and me, Dave, and you and me Ryan, and then
it just never happens. And it felt like they built
this team to be able to run the ball this
year with a rookie quarterback and all the money they
spent on offensive line and they just could never do it.
I feel like that would be a good spot if
they could get a running back that they love, so
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I would probably go there in the first round.
Speaker 6 (07:07):
Rick Well, first of all, I got a text from
the Pro Football Hall of Fame. They want to know
when they could expect the ricklus diaper to put up
on the on the display there. But now, hey, what's
your most enduring memory from the season. What are you
going to take away from the season and from the
as you go with this offseason. What are you going
to remember most about this year other.
Speaker 4 (07:26):
Than are walk in Buffalo?
Speaker 5 (07:29):
You know what?
Speaker 3 (07:29):
The Buffalo trip was really fun, honestly.
Speaker 5 (07:33):
You know, I never would have thought.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
I'd be excited about going to Buffalo in January, but
I really like the road games. There's something special.
Speaker 5 (07:41):
About the road games to me.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
You know, you feel like you're going behind enemy lines
with your guys, right with your crew, and to me,
it's just a really cool feeling. And then given the
opportunity to do that in the postseason, it's just it
was a really fun couple of days in Buffalo, you know,
and Age used to tell me all the time and
he'd say, man.
Speaker 5 (08:02):
I hope you get a chance.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
To call a playoff game or two, because it's just different.
It hits different and there's a lot more juice. And
I could feel.
Speaker 5 (08:10):
It, you know.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
I felt it the week building up to it. I
felt it on the plane going out.
Speaker 5 (08:17):
You know. We had a lot of fun there.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
In Buffalo, as you guys maybe talked about earlier in
the week, and it just felt a lot different pulling
into that stadium in the bus, knowing we were playing
the Buffalo Bills in a wildcard football game. So I
would say, looking back, that was a major highlight for
me for sure.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
Very cool.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
Well, Rick, obviously we'll have a chance to dive in
a little bit deeper tomorrow on the show. You can
be on with us at three o'clock all the way six.
Appreciate the time as always, my friend. Fantastic work this season,
and again we'll get you Google Maps one of these
days so you can help with directions where you guys
are walking.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
That was the only time in eight years I tried
to lead the walking tour.
Speaker 5 (08:57):
Okay, usually it's aj Allen Jackson.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
We does it one time I go out on a limb.
There's a total failure, and Dave's never going to let
me live it down.
Speaker 5 (09:08):
I'm just telling you.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
It is a fact. They have apps. They have apps
for this. That's all I'm saying. They have apps for
this thing. Man. Tomorrow, all right, We'll see you guys
tomorrow for the best.
Speaker 7 (09:19):
You know what the magical number eighty four is. I
talked to you about it briefly, okay in the pregame show. Okay,
on the broadcast with the Broncos and the Bills. Eighty
four eighty four? What was a represent for it represents
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a mindset?
Speaker 1 (09:41):
Do you want to share with that? Man, I'm trying
to lead you to it, Young Ryan, I'll have to
think about that. Can I have the break to ponder?
Speaker 4 (09:50):
Take your time?
Speaker 2 (09:50):
Okay?
Speaker 4 (09:50):
These breaks are an eternity.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
Okay, this hour's just when a thousand dollars coming over
the next five minutes.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
Thanks this tan Brick Dental group.
Speaker 4 (10:05):
Push it a little bit, but strong direction.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
Wrong direction?
Speaker 4 (10:08):
All right?
Speaker 2 (10:08):
Tell me the eighty fourth thing, man.
Speaker 4 (10:10):
What conclusion did you come to?
Speaker 2 (10:11):
Because sharp the Brady four, I.
Speaker 4 (10:14):
Don't think about that.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
That's all.
Speaker 7 (10:17):
I can't get that out of the number. We'll get
it out of your head, right, the number eighty four.
Just so, we ride the first bus every day of
a game on the road, and that bus normally for
a one pm kick, depending on how far the stadium is,
and the stadium was about fifteen minutes. Bus leaves at
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nine nine am, into the stadium by nine fifteen. So
here's your clue. Here's your hint. From the time I
got on the bus until the time we pulled down
under the tunnel to get off to go through security check,
the number that pops into my mind was eighty four.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
So it wasn't eighty four minutes to get there, right.
Speaker 4 (11:03):
Okay, it's a fifteen minute bus drive.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
Fifteen minute.
Speaker 6 (11:06):
I mean everything I want to say here is some
algebraic nerd stuff.
Speaker 4 (11:09):
So, and that would be different than.
Speaker 6 (11:12):
Any other day, not not even slightly. I didn't think
anybody want.
Speaker 7 (11:16):
To talk about like so, so the state I'll give
you one of the Hurlitz automosis theory. The stadium for
the Bills is a little bit like the Packers in
that it just pops up almost in the middle of
a neighborhood. I mean, you got you got people turning
their their driveways into like a park here for like
LAbau thirty bucks and fifty bucks, and it's like, okay,
kind of cool, but it's it's That was the number
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of Falangies that I counted from the time we pulled
into the neighborhood until the time we're wait eight, we
got flipped off and we're we're in the I mean
eighty four time. And I'm not making it up. I
actually counted. Oh yeah, and.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
We got double Filangie.
Speaker 4 (12:01):
That's two. That's not one because it's one person. Oh it.
Speaker 7 (12:06):
They love the Bills and they can't stay stay at
whoever the Bills are playing.
Speaker 4 (12:13):
Eighty four birds we got.
Speaker 6 (12:15):
You might be able top that next year because we
got a road game at Philly. We might be able
top that next year.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
Yeah, I'm sure, but but but here's the difference in Philly.
Speaker 4 (12:22):
Eighty is not right stadiums right downtown.
Speaker 7 (12:25):
Yeah, right, So you've got people they're not I mean,
we had like probably three or four blocks that were
lined at nine am, nine fifteen with Bills fans in
Jerseys sitting there waiting on the bus.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
I mean when you jump through tables as a celebration
for your team.
Speaker 4 (12:44):
Maybe you hit dr that thing.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
Yeah, that's a good question.
Speaker 4 (12:48):
Buffalo actually start that the table is the breaking table.
Speaker 6 (12:51):
Yeah, that's a Buffalo thing. Yeah, that is absolutely Buffalo thing.
Speaker 5 (12:54):
You know.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
You hit your head too many times doing that four
tables by the way, but by the way, maybe it's
it's a good thing from the economy standpoint because.
Speaker 6 (13:02):
There's manufacturing and the roof.
Speaker 7 (13:07):
We did go on Saturday night, like five o'clock. I
took an uber about fifteen minutes and the Buffalo radio
crew of the guy had this sideline.
Speaker 4 (13:16):
Yep, yes, great, great guy.
Speaker 7 (13:18):
He set up for us to go to this local
restaurant and it was so typical Buffalo but really cool.
I mean, had a cheers feel to it and the
absolute best pizza that I've ever had. And I kid
you not, and I'm I'm a pizza aficionado. They brought
this out and it's like, oh my goodness. Family owned,
mom and dad. Mom was working. The Sun, Sun was there.
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We talked to the Sun. Just a cool, really cool setting.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
That's amazing. Yeah, that's cool.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
And that is one thing and Rick and I've talked
off off the record of ties about to some of
the trips and he tells me all the time and
he's like, man, we tried this restaurant as the best.
You I mean, you got to come out with us
in the road. I'm like, I work here, this is like.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
This is domain. I have experience with that.
Speaker 6 (14:02):
I went out with you guys to the LA preseason
game a couple of years ago, and man Aj goes
how to find some food joints.
Speaker 7 (14:08):
I will say that I got to go somewhere and
it doesn't have to be like the most expensive. I
mean the seven of us there were seven on the crew.
Jesse went our engineer and Doc who was our statistician.
He showed up the seven of us, eight wings, three
different kinds of wings, pizza and whatever, and got out
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for under two hundred No way for two hundred dollars.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
It was good too.
Speaker 4 (14:36):
That's really good, really good pizza.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
Well that was amazing.
Speaker 1 (14:40):
Well, I can't wait till I get into some more
stories with Rick Lewis tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
Hey will come back.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
I got to get to this stuff from Sean Payton
talking about the Joker position. We talked a little bit
about it yesterday, but he has some interesting perspective on
it today certainly makes me think they're going pretty heavy
after that position here in the offseason. One will remind you, guys,
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Because is that is that common? I mean, I guess
it's not. In the eighty four seems like excessive, what
I'm saying. When you guys are traveling to no opposing
stage Airhead Stadium for example, Oh, you get a few.
Speaker 4 (15:23):
An Arrowhead, but there's not as much time Arrowhead because
Arrowhead literally is right off of seventy one.
Speaker 7 (15:30):
It's off the highway, okay, And so you once you
get off the highway and start to you enter the
stadium premise, then you have you have a bunch of
tailgaters at Arrowhead, okay, and they'll they'll tell.
Speaker 4 (15:41):
You how much they love you.
Speaker 7 (15:42):
But this was just unique because we had again we
had about six blocks on the bus to where people
are lined.
Speaker 4 (15:51):
They literally lined the streets that we were, you know,
turning on and just letting us have it.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
I want to ask you a question, and I completely understand.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
If you don't want to answer it, but you know,
in the exercise of radio would be cooled.
Speaker 6 (16:09):
No, how many did he flip back off? How many times?
Speaker 1 (16:12):
Do you know what is the most obnoxious fan base
from visiting for a visiting team as far as your
view of it, you mean when we traveled, yes with Broncos. Yes,
I would say, when the Raiders were in Oakland at
the Oakland Alameda County Coliseum, it was.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
It was spirited.
Speaker 7 (16:39):
I wish you could see the look on your It's funny.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
Because it's so true.
Speaker 6 (16:43):
But then after the game they were the coolest people ever.
Speaker 4 (16:51):
When the Raiders.
Speaker 7 (16:52):
This true story, when the Raiders played in l A, right,
we got dropped off one time where we should not
have been dropped off, and we had to walk from
like deep in the parking lot all the way to
the gate that allowed us as media heathens to go.
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And so I'm walking and this is back early early
when I was doing the Broncos and I was working
with Larry Zimmer, the great Larry Zimmer.
Speaker 4 (17:24):
And so we're we're walking and true story, like.
Speaker 7 (17:31):
We get approached by a couple or I can't remember
two or three interesting looking fellas, and they wanted to know, Amen,
it's in the bag. Well, first of all, it's not
a bag. It's a briefcase, knucklehead. So, I mean that
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was but you know, you don't want to. I mean,
you get to pick and choose the times in your
life that you're going.
Speaker 4 (17:59):
To dig in and say.
Speaker 7 (18:01):
This is not for you, right, And I just kept walking,
you know, and just said, ah, a bunch of stuff
that you know, But no, no, that was that was
not That was not the time to do it. So
the Raiders have always had kind of the oh gosh,
eclectic sort of yeah you know yahoos that followed them.
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They haven't had a lot to really revel in the
last the last few years.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
Well now they're in Vegas. I mean, yeah, FI spot
for him. Why is that.
Speaker 7 (18:36):
Because you got a bunch of you got a bunch
of Have you seen some of the stuff the Raiders stands?
Speaker 4 (18:40):
Where you see my man that paints his.
Speaker 7 (18:42):
Fans, I mean he fits right in and they does
look at a place you got.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
To show it the Yeah, the casino. Okay, that's that's fair.
Speaker 4 (18:51):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
I always think that when teams transplant to a new city,
you're gonna get a weird mix of of the fan
base because there's some fans that will make the travel
and there's some that are going to like start out
and say I'm now a Raiders fan because this is
in my city.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
Yeah yeah, yeah, But that's not like the diehard.
Speaker 7 (19:10):
It's not as intimidating as the County Coliseum. I mean
they would literally would throw I mean I remember doing
a TV show, I think it was the Thron's a
polo at the time, and they're throwing you know, batteries,
They're throwing stuff at us. I'm thinking, we're not even
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playing here.
Speaker 4 (19:32):
What are we? What are we doing here?
Speaker 1 (19:33):
So are they worse in than Eagles or Patriots fans?
I mean that's what I've never I've never thought we've played.
We've I am played.
Speaker 7 (19:41):
I mean I played in New England, but as a broadcaster,
the Broncos have played back there a number of times.
Speaker 4 (19:46):
I've never felt like those fans.
Speaker 7 (19:48):
Were, you know, so far past the line that you
were fearful of going in where Philadelphia has some you know,
I mean, they're creative in terms of how they want
to abuse you.
Speaker 4 (20:02):
Verbally for the most part.
Speaker 7 (20:05):
Right, I saw I saw something on social media today
where this dumb fass.
Speaker 4 (20:10):
Fan did he get fired?
Speaker 7 (20:12):
I mean, what's wrong with you calling there was a
couple wearing Green Bay gear and.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
He's just he's just over the top.
Speaker 7 (20:20):
He's lucky that the husband had some restraint to him.
He should he should have and could have been punched
right in the pie hole, like shut up. But yeah,
but I've never you know, I never.
Speaker 4 (20:34):
You don't really feel unsafe with Philadelphia.
Speaker 7 (20:36):
They're just uh, they got a little East Coast thing going,
and they're they're wired a little differently.
Speaker 6 (20:41):
Yeah, I got fired from his job, which is called
BCT Consulting.
Speaker 4 (20:43):
No relation, by the way.
Speaker 7 (20:51):
Got you you gotta be stuck on stupid you guys
sitting there filming and you're talking right into the right
into the camera, and he just kept.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
Going yeah, and he just kept you're you're right.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
And some people said, hey, if that was me, I
I mean saying that to my wife or and there
was this case was his fiance. Yeah, we can't repeat
what he said because it's obviously grotesque, but there are
a lot of people that said, hey, that guy, the
fiance probably should should have or could have come after
that guy.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
I was like, I don't know if I could have
held back.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
And you need to hold that, Okay, I should hold Yah,
you need to know.
Speaker 4 (21:25):
I'm just kidding.
Speaker 7 (21:26):
No, I think you would have been well within uh
your rights as a husband to react in a way
that would not have been.
Speaker 6 (21:34):
Oh yeah, I've had have been my wife. You know,
I'm standing up there like, buddy, you need to you
need to shut your mouth or I'm gonna flip your.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
Off switch like it's you know, it was bad, but again,
the internet does what the internet does.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
And that dude lost his job.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
He got completely docks and yeah he's yeah, he's in
the stadium for life and lost his job. So a
couple of things here. One of you was Sean Payton.
I told you I had a great staff for you, Dave,
and I knew that you were. You've been waiting for.
Speaker 7 (21:58):
Patiently, you know, I've I've not wanted to bring it up,
and I'm really excited.
Speaker 4 (22:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
So this was on the the Broncos Running Game. This
was on Nate Tye's podcast that he does on Yahoo
with Matt Harmon, and Matt Harmon brought this really interesting
stat about the Broncos rushing attack on the podcast, Yes, Dray,
And here's what it was.
Speaker 9 (22:15):
When I look across the league and I don't think
we're going to get another, you know, Baltimore Philadelphia situation
where we have like a great ecosystem and then you
drop like a Hall of Fame talent and you go
to the moon you weaponize it. But that's what I'm
obsessed of, trying to find the next version of that.
I think the Broncos could be that type of team
because again, close your ears, Broncos fans, but if you
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just isolate their running back runs, they're thirteenth in success
right this year. So don't you know, bo Nick's the
scrambling that's all taken out of it just running back runs.
The thing is they actually don't have any good backs.
And I'm with you on that one, Broncos fans. They
don't have a good back, like they don't have one guy.
That was just the thing this year. But the collection
of players did produce a solid run game, and again
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the is in the pudding here that that has nothing
to do with the backs. On those running back runs,
Denver ranked eleventh in yards before contact per rush by
the running backs and twenty eighth in yards after contact.
So like we get a gheto that. Right there, we
hit a real deal running back in here. I think
this could be a fantastic run game.
Speaker 3 (23:19):
So to his.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
Point, and that is that, by the way, that was
Matt Harmon.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
Harmon from ncis, oh my god, you had the same
You made the same joke show like quarterback Mark Harmon.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
Matt funny funny storyboutt Harmon.
Speaker 6 (23:32):
Matt Harmon's first radio interview was with me, there you go, okay,
so I can make that joke.
Speaker 4 (23:36):
Go ahead, right great?
Speaker 1 (23:37):
Anyways, eleventh in yards before contact, twenty eighth in yards
after contact.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
What does that say to you, Dave.
Speaker 7 (23:43):
Well, I think that's probably an accurate stat His first
stat was confusing to me because he talked about they
really don't have a good running back, and yet there
was the thirteenth Yeah, running back instasy efficiency. I see
that to me is I can I can rab my
head orund on the eleventh before contact twenty eighth after
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because that means your offensive line was doing a pretty
good job and your your running backs really were not
efficient after contact, which in this league you have to
be the but the the overall they're thirteenth in running
back efficiency.
Speaker 4 (24:17):
I'm thinking, what is that? What's it based on?
Speaker 1 (24:21):
Well, I can give a little bit of a background
on that. So again that's EPA, right, and I know
you're one your fact.
Speaker 4 (24:28):
So we're going way down the rabbit hole.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
We're getting a Yeah, I almost want you to ignore
that part of it and really focus on the yards
after Comma, I want you.
Speaker 4 (24:36):
I want you to focus on that part of it
and answer the question.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
The backstory there is.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
In November, Nate Tice and this is again into the
rabbit hole Twitter for a moment. In a moment, he
tweeted out a video where he was breaking down the
Broncos and talking about how they had a good run game.
Like he said, Hey, there are certain things that they
need to clean up on the offense side of the ball,
but they have a really good run game and I
think that's going to help Albo Nicks.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
And then there was a lot of Broncos fans, I.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
Guess they'll put it that way to watch games who
watch games and said I don't think that this is
a really really good run game. I would agree with them,
And so they went after him because it felt like
a sort of a national media member who didn't really
watch close enough.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
That was just going off of a stat right, and
so that's what he did.
Speaker 4 (25:19):
So so, so what is the thirteenth in the league?
Speaker 2 (25:22):
It's just an a. So he's talking about efficiency metrics?
Speaker 1 (25:25):
Does that mean well either just the overall the rushing
attack is the one the reason why the Broncos offensive
line buages so well.
Speaker 7 (25:32):
Based on So, either you don't know or I can't
understand what the hell you're saying.
Speaker 4 (25:37):
What does what goes mean? What goes into.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
Coming out with that?
Speaker 6 (25:41):
Yes, measure, it's a measure of how many yards they
gain on a given snap, and it changes snap to snap.
They basically sixty percent of the yards needed to keep
you ahead of the chains. It's a bit arbitrary, but
that's the general way.
Speaker 4 (25:53):
To put that.
Speaker 6 (25:53):
So if you were to get you don't know either. No,
I mean I can get into the bath on this
if you want to. And I mean I don't think
anybody was an algebra as them.
Speaker 4 (26:00):
Heckle and jack O. Here what are we doing?
Speaker 7 (26:03):
I mean thirteen, I have no idea what that means.
If he is if mister Harmon is saying that I
get the stat about eleventh before contact, twenty eighth after, okay,
because that's fairly easy.
Speaker 4 (26:19):
To understand for a more unlike me. The thirteenth in efficiency.
Speaker 7 (26:24):
I don't know, but I called every single game and
they were not a good running team, and especially when
they had to run, right, they had prior to the
postseason game.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
In seventeen regular season.
Speaker 7 (26:40):
Games, all right, they had twenty runs for the season
of twenty yards or more. Bo Nicks, excuse me, bo
Knicks had Let me take that back. They had ten
runs of twenty yards or more and bow Knicks had
six of them.
Speaker 4 (27:00):
What are we talking about? So and not one back
had more than one.
Speaker 7 (27:05):
So I just don't I mean all these numbers, these
the analytics. I'm a believer in some of them, and
then there's others. When you scratch your hitt and say, okay,
I have no idea what you're talking.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
About, the number changes. But so here's what it is.
Speaker 6 (27:18):
It's the number of times the running back gets forty
percent of the yards needed for a first down on
first down, sixty percent of the yards needed on second down,
and all of the yards needed on third down. It's
I don't want to get to the mouth on why
that is, but that's what it is. I don't necessarily
like that formula per se, but people use it to
indicate efficiency as and how much a running back is
able to get the chunk of yards needed or get
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you forward into that house to think about what you
just said. Well, I mean, stop, I agree with you,
but I'm.
Speaker 4 (27:45):
Trying to stop the seventhing about how this would not
make sense. Right.
Speaker 7 (27:48):
So it's the number of times a running back in
first down gets forty percent of what he needs on
a first down.
Speaker 6 (27:52):
Carry, which would be four yards most time.
Speaker 4 (27:54):
Okay.
Speaker 7 (27:55):
Then on second down, the runner has to get sixty
percent of the six yards, which is three point six yards.
Speaker 6 (28:01):
Well, but it's not necessarily it's sixty percent of the
remaining yards. So it could be you know, it's just
viewed through the lens of second and whatever.
Speaker 4 (28:09):
So second it could be second one, it could be fifteen.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
Yeah, it could be second case warm up with nine yards.
Speaker 6 (28:14):
Right, So that's what they that's what this So they
came up with classifier.
Speaker 7 (28:20):
Okay, So again, so then you go to Baltimore and
you look at Derrick Henry and let's say it's second
and fifteen and they turn around, handed off to him
and he gets eight yards.
Speaker 6 (28:32):
That then that doesn't fall under the success that's not
a successful run.
Speaker 4 (28:38):
No further questions, you're on. I rest my case.
Speaker 6 (28:41):
I'm absolutely what they do is they use this stat
over the course of a season and the percentage of
times that you did get a success you know, a
success rate kind of thing. I don't necessarily agree with this.
I'm just trying to explain the formula so people can
wrap their head around what it is they're talking about.
And we've talked about it before that it can be
a bit of a flawed metric, you think, Okay, I mean.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
Has the highest success rate in the.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
Which is obvious because yeah, they get you watch football,
and here.
Speaker 4 (29:09):
Here's what I would say. I mean, if you really
know the game, all you got to do is watch
the game.
Speaker 7 (29:14):
Watch the game. Now here's where I think analytics are important.
I think coaches make decisions on whether or not it
is in their best interest from a percentage standpoint to
go for something, maybe on a fourth down.
Speaker 4 (29:29):
I don't think it's always right.
Speaker 7 (29:31):
I think the gut of the coach has to come
into play.
Speaker 4 (29:35):
More so, than it does. Uh.
Speaker 7 (29:38):
You know, I want to hear from analytic people, but
when it when it comes down to it, on that
fourth down call, it's it's based on what you've seen
in the game. How well have you been able to
run it? Have you thought your offensive line is controlled
their defensive line up front? You feel like I can
get a good push? Who's the back?
Speaker 3 (29:56):
All those.
Speaker 7 (29:59):
Where the game is it? Are we behind a are
we ahead? So all those things. But that's to me,
that's why you pay head coaches twenty million dollars a year, dude.
And if I'm Greg Pinner or any other owner, I'm
looking at my coach and saying, hey, that's why I
paid you. I don't want to hear at the end
of the game that the analytics guy said do this
and I did that and it didn't work. No, no, no,
(30:20):
I'm not paying the analytics guy twenty million. I'm paying
you twenty million, and I want you. There's a reason
I hired you, and I pay you because I want
your expertise.
Speaker 4 (30:31):
That's what I'm paying for studies.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
You know, sixty the time it works every time therefficiency.
Speaker 6 (30:39):
I said, is there a better matchup than this? Weekend's
Meathead versus Meathead and Dan Campbell and Dan Quinn, guys
who always goes I.
Speaker 4 (30:47):
Love though, I'll be I'll be honest about it.
Speaker 7 (30:51):
I kind of I kind of love it now, you know,
as much as I love Dan Campbell. Detroit fans last
year the NFC Championship game, you could make a case,
and a strong one that by doing what he did,
he cost his team a chance to win that game.
Oh yeah, I mean, period, as long as he's ready
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to own that.
Speaker 4 (31:12):
And he did, and he did, and the.
Speaker 7 (31:14):
Ford family is ready to say we love this guy,
we hire him for his aggressiveness. I mean, I'm all
for it, because he took a lot of grief in
his initial press conference, and I you know, I'm not
the only one, but I remember saying I don't hate that.
Speaker 4 (31:29):
I don't. I know.
Speaker 7 (31:30):
It was maybe not as polished a message as you
would like, but I kind of like, like, hey man,
we're gonna do whatever it takes to win here.
Speaker 4 (31:39):
Period.
Speaker 5 (31:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
I love the it was the ankle biter or whatever
it was.
Speaker 5 (31:44):
Yeah it was.
Speaker 6 (31:44):
Yeah, I love that.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
Back to the original point of this, before we went
down the rabbit hole on EPA, because I didn't.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
I didn't think about that when we got the sound.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
What I wanted to hear from you was your thoughts
on the fact that the offensive line per those numbers
yards after contact, they been doing their job, and just
to think and because because his point is a valid one,
what it would mean if you got a running back
in there that was able to take advantage of it.
I think that would make a huge difference. And that's
how close they are in that respect. Because the offensive
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line is going to be is going to be here.
Speaker 7 (32:15):
You would think so, yes, you would think so, and
the quarterback is going to be more comfortable. But I
think you have to have I mean to me, you've
got to have two of them. I don't know who
they are. Haven't started working on the draft yet. There
are some people I listened to that already working on
the draft. I haven't, but I think you have to
have two backs, and you got to have you know,
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have to necessarily have a bell cow. You can go
with whoever's hot in the game, but you gotta have
two guys. And when it's all said and done, give
you a twenty between twenty and twenty five carries, if
not more, and are good.
Speaker 4 (32:50):
Enough in past protection.
Speaker 7 (32:51):
Maybe one's a little bit better, so he maybe you
play him a third down.
Speaker 4 (32:55):
You can mix and match.
Speaker 7 (32:56):
What I don't think you can do moving forward is
what the Broncos have done this year. You know you're
in for a play, you're in for a play, you're in.
I just think that speaks and you do what you
got to do to try to win games. But I
think it spoke to the staff looking at that running
back room and just saying, we we got to do
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it this way. We just don't have confidence that if
we don't do it this way, none of them are
going to be able to play three downs or two
or three straight series and for us to be a
productive team.
Speaker 6 (33:28):
I hope that's the case, but given Sean Payton's history,
that may not be. I mean, you go back and
you look, and it was even when he had mark
Ingram and Pierre Thomas and.
Speaker 4 (33:35):
He didn't ta him out every single week, he would.
Speaker 6 (33:37):
Rotate him through Kamara. Was the closest they ever came
to a bell catle. And he's still platoons. He's still
split fifty to fifty for the first.
Speaker 4 (33:45):
I'm not against fifty to fifty split.
Speaker 2 (33:47):
No, but I'm talking about when.
Speaker 6 (33:48):
He had mark ingram And and Pierre Thomas, Latavious Murray
and Darren Sproilt, and he was rotating, you know, and
you would sit there, Pierre would be ripping off two three,
you know, five six yards of carry, and then he'd
pull him out and put Ingram in for two yards.
Nobody ever felt like they got in a rythm.
Speaker 7 (34:02):
I just don't think you can rotate backs virtually every
play in the NFL position.
Speaker 4 (34:11):
That just means you don't To me, that just means
you don't love your backs.
Speaker 1 (34:14):
Well, Sean was asked about that today if he thought
they needed to go with the bell cow back, and
can you agree with you, Dave, let's start with that one.
Speaker 4 (34:22):
I don't know that we ever found that right.
Speaker 10 (34:24):
You know that I understand the committee I'm used to
having too. We're gonna have more than just one back.
We're gonna, we're gonna we're gonna stack that position group.
It's too hard in our league to play with just one.
Rarely does a team do it. Occasionally it happens, and
certainly we'll have a chance to evaluate when we get
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to the off season evaluation process like where we feel
like we're at with each position certainly that that's an
important position.
Speaker 5 (34:55):
Yeah, I'm not.
Speaker 10 (34:55):
Ready to do today to give you our must needs
and wants. You know that we're two weeks away, and
and even two weeks from now, I'm still not going
to give them to you, all right, But we'll go
through that process and we'll look closely at what we
think we still need, what we have to have, and
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then what we want to have That only comes after
evaluating our own roster.
Speaker 4 (35:23):
We're just not there yet, he has today.
Speaker 6 (35:26):
I sort of agree with his premise, and I definitely
agree with your premise that have to you know, you
need more than one guy. But then you look at
the teams in the playoffs this year, right, what do
you mean?
Speaker 2 (35:36):
Look well, look at the teams.
Speaker 6 (35:37):
That are still left in the playoffs right now, and
look at it. Whether or not they have a bell
cow back. I mean, everybody's got.
Speaker 7 (35:43):
You don't don't subscribe or ascribe the term to me.
I've never said bell cow you need two guys you
and then you go with the hot hand, but you
but they got to play, They got to get lathered
and play more than a play.
Speaker 6 (35:56):
Right, But you look at the look at the teams
that are left Buffalo, I mean that's Cook, right, Baltimore.
Speaker 4 (36:02):
Wait a minute, Wait a minute, I'm gonna challenge you
even gosh, I mean I'm gonna challenge you Cook. They
played three backs?
Speaker 6 (36:09):
What Ray Ray Davison for a carry?
Speaker 5 (36:11):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (36:12):
Well, I mean Ray Ray Davis played more than one play.
We have one carry?
Speaker 8 (36:17):
Ye?
Speaker 7 (36:18):
He got hurt, Yeah, he got he got concussed. I
thought Ty Johnson was in the game. I'd have to
go back and look at the snaps. I mean, clearly
James Cook is their guy, right, and clearly we don't.
Speaker 4 (36:30):
Have a James Cook.
Speaker 7 (36:32):
But the second guy who wound up catching what what
really was the game deciding touchdown, he played quite a bit.
So I think if you got two, hey, if you
if they can find one, that is the guy, I'm
all for it. And the second guy gets limited reps,
but he's able to come in spell him, go get
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some gatorade, what have you. But I just don't think
with the with as much as they rotated, I just
don't think that's a winning formula that is easily sustainable.
Speaker 6 (37:03):
I'm one hundred percent with you, and I'm with you
on the split it. I'm just saying, like you have
Derek Henry, any other guy, Justice Hill, but it's it's
most of these in Detroit.
Speaker 2 (37:10):
Uh well he went down it all. It's been all Gibbs.
Speaker 6 (37:13):
Yeah, but that's but in a perfect world, they you know,
they split it one too. You got Pacheco, you got
Mixing in Houston, you've got Squon and.
Speaker 4 (37:22):
Philly well you know went for more than two thousand
tyron in l A.
Speaker 6 (37:28):
I mean, most these guys have seventy percent times heare guys, Well, that's.
Speaker 4 (37:31):
Okay, I'm seventy percent is fine.
Speaker 7 (37:33):
I think if you're second back is a guy that
gives you thirty percent of the snaps any given week,
you're good, right.
Speaker 4 (37:40):
I just again, I just can't.
Speaker 7 (37:43):
Yeah, you know, I don't think it does the backs
any any service. Find out who can play, and if
they can't play, then you know your job is to
go out and try to find somebody to replace him
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Speaker 2 (00:08):
Rick Lewis is X and be in studio with us tomorrow. Rick,
my friend, how are you?
Speaker 3 (00:12):
Hey? You know it's the new year, guys, it's twenty
twenty five. Are we still going to go with the
diaper thing?
Speaker 4 (00:18):
If I had to wear the diaper, I would do it.
Speaker 5 (00:20):
Yeah. Yeah, that's Grant Smith right there.
Speaker 4 (00:23):
I think the diaper thing, Rick. I hate to tell
you this. I think it lives forever.
Speaker 5 (00:32):
I might love you apparently.
Speaker 3 (00:35):
Yeah that's what it seems. Yeah, good to be on
with you, guys. I'm still searching for Rick James House.
I want to find Rick James House.
Speaker 4 (00:44):
You're also searching for Lake Erie.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
Yeah, God, let.
Speaker 5 (00:51):
Me live that one down. No, man, you don't.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
You don't want to disappoint Dave Logan because he gives
you that.
Speaker 6 (00:57):
Well Rick, Rick is so coach Logan.
Speaker 7 (00:59):
I mean no, he's He's like, you know, we're gonna
we can't find a place to eat because everything's shut
in downtown Buffalo. He goes, hey, I saw Lake Erie
from my hotel window, and it's like six blocks down
this way. Let's go for a walk. So it's me
and Susie and AJ and Rick. We're like, all right, now,
keep in mind it's probably twenty five degrees. We're like, okay,
(01:22):
you know, let's get let's get a walk on. So
we started walking down and fellas we're walking, We're walking
for like forty minutes.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
Oh my gosh, you know, just enjoying some of this company.
Speaker 7 (01:32):
And then all of a sudden, Susie goes, Rick, I
don't think we're going the right way, and then we
find it out that indeed we're going away from Lake Erie.
Speaker 6 (01:44):
It was just like a Sarah Palin I could see
Russia from my house kind of that.
Speaker 4 (01:47):
You know, I'm not going to go quite that far
with my partner, but it.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
Was that a loqueductor? Was it actually lake Erie?
Speaker 5 (01:54):
Listen?
Speaker 4 (01:54):
We were tired by the time we got back. I'm
just going to say that.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
Oh it was all fun. That car splashed off it.
Speaker 4 (02:04):
At the corner right through the store.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
It's some ice and snow everywhere. We're standing at the
corner waiting to cross. This is after walking about two
and a half miles and this car comes by.
Speaker 8 (02:14):
It just just dust me with with water and I
ended up it got a soaker, which I haven't had
since I was a kid back in Detroit. I had
to walk all the way back to the hotel in
shame because we couldn't find Lake Erie with a wet
sock and wet shoe.
Speaker 4 (02:30):
He was drenched.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
No, it was funny, cry laughing right now, that's amazing.
Speaker 4 (02:39):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
You know these stories don't always make the air. You know,
we were doing the broadcast.
Speaker 7 (02:43):
For sure, I said, listen, whatever, I get the opportunity.
We're talking about this for sure, and Memoirs would do something,
you know, that'd be something I would do. Like it's
screwed up, Like, hey, we'll walk down here, we'll go
about six blocks and it's Lake Erie.
Speaker 4 (02:59):
We can see it.
Speaker 7 (02:59):
And I even said at the time, I mean, is
I've seen Lake Carry I played there for like nine
years up the road, and isn't the lake frozen at
this time?
Speaker 8 (03:07):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (03:07):
Yeah, yeah, it's frozen. You know, we'll be able to
see it and it'll be cool.
Speaker 7 (03:12):
So it's like, all right, hey, listen, it's a little exercise.
Why don't we just go ahead and do it until
we find out we're walking the wrong direction.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
For forty minutes, I went back to my room in shame,
and I took a picture of Lake.
Speaker 5 (03:23):
Carrie from my whole showroom.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
I chexted at to Day and said, oh, you took
that picture out of Time bagage.
Speaker 4 (03:30):
I said, it's in nineteen sixty seven cover of Time magazine.
Speaker 5 (03:36):
Yeah, never let me forget that one.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
Well, that's fantastic. Well, Rick again, looking forward to more
of those stories. Ky, what's the unpack all that tomorrow?
That's that's fantastic. Can't wait for You're in the being studio. Hey,
cursory thoughts man, you know, end of the season. We
just were playing some sound from the end of season
press conference just a little bit ago.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
How are you feeling a couple of days removed.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
It was a brutal loss, but again, big picture, there's
some some positive certainly.
Speaker 5 (04:00):
Yeah, it was a really.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
Fun season, I'd say the best out of the eight
years that.
Speaker 5 (04:06):
I've been doing this.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
And disappointing ending obviously, I was expecting them to be
more competitive. Now the game was close, you know, late
into the third quarter. But when will watch missed that
field goal late in the first half. My heart kind
of sunk a little bit because it felt like, Okay,
it's going to be one of those kind of games,
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and it turned out that's what it was. And I
wasn't expecting Buffalo to blow them out, but it got
pretty ugly there in the fourth quarter, and so it
was disappointing. It was a disappointing ending. But looking back
on the season retrospectively at tea a couple of days
to look at it, I think they overachieved. I feel
like they were an overachieving team for several reasons. They
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got way better quarterback play than I think anybody was expecting.
And when you consider they want ten games, went to
the postseason with a rookie quarterback and they started the
season zero to two, I don't think anybody had that
on their Bengo card. You know, they never had a
tight end that you know, could be productive in the
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passing game, never really had a running back that was
productive in the running game. They didn't have one one
hundred yard rusher all season long. They were the only
team of the league not to do that. Some problems
I think at inside lippenbacker safety Riley Moss gets hurt,
which made things a little tricky down the stretch. But
(05:38):
looking at that, I think ten wins and playing in
Buffalo on a road game, they overachieved this season. In
all of that being said, I think this will make
them a better football team for twenty twenty five, twenty
twenty six.
Speaker 7 (05:54):
So let's just say that everything you just mentioned is true,
and now you can pick one position to fortify next
year with the first round draft choice. And we really
haven't even started breaking the draft down and all that,
but you can pick one position to really solidify the
spots that you mentioned.
Speaker 4 (06:16):
Which spot would it be?
Speaker 3 (06:18):
You know what, a lot of mock drafts are saying,
the Broncos will take a gent from Boise State. You
know when I see that end up kind of salivating.
Speaker 5 (06:29):
A little bit.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
I think I would go running back if you could
get him, And I think they probably got a decent
shot at that, because you know, they want to.
Speaker 5 (06:39):
Run the ball. They would love to be able to
run the ball.
Speaker 3 (06:41):
We talk about that every single week, you know, you
and me, Dave, and you and me Ryan, and then
it just never happens. And it felt like they built
this team to be able to run the ball this
year with a rookie quarterback and all the money they
spent on offensive line and they just could never do it.
I feel like that would be a good spot if
they could get a running back that they love, so
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I would probably go there in the first round.
Speaker 6 (07:07):
Rick Well, first of all, I got a text from
the Pro Football Hall of Fame. They want to know
when they could expect the ricklus diaper to put up
on the on the display there. But now, hey, what's
your most enduring memory from the season. What are you
going to take away from the season and from the
as you go with this offseason. What are you going
to remember most about this year other.
Speaker 4 (07:26):
Than are walk in Buffalo?
Speaker 5 (07:29):
You know what?
Speaker 3 (07:29):
The Buffalo trip was really fun, honestly.
Speaker 5 (07:33):
You know, I never would have thought.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
I'd be excited about going to Buffalo in January, but
I really like the road games. There's something special.
Speaker 5 (07:41):
About the road games to me.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
You know, you feel like you're going behind enemy lines
with your guys, right with your crew, and to me,
it's just a really cool feeling. And then given the
opportunity to do that in the postseason, it's just it
was a really fun couple of days in Buffalo, you know,
and Age used to tell me all the time and
he'd say, man.
Speaker 5 (08:02):
I hope you get a chance.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
To call a playoff game or two, because it's just different.
It hits different and there's a lot more juice. And
I could feel.
Speaker 5 (08:10):
It, you know.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
I felt it the week building up to it. I
felt it on the plane going out.
Speaker 5 (08:17):
You know. We had a lot of fun there.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
In Buffalo, as you guys maybe talked about earlier in
the week, and it just felt a lot different pulling
into that stadium in the bus, knowing we were playing
the Buffalo Bills in a wildcard football game. So I
would say, looking back, that was a major highlight for
me for sure.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
Very cool.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
Well, Rick, obviously we'll have a chance to dive in
a little bit deeper tomorrow on the show. You can
be on with us at three o'clock all the way six.
Appreciate the time as always, my friend. Fantastic work this season,
and again we'll get you Google Maps one of these
days so you can help with directions where you guys
are walking.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
That was the only time in eight years I tried
to lead the walking tour.
Speaker 5 (08:57):
Okay, usually it's aj Allen Jackson.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
We does it one time I go out on a limb.
There's a total failure, and Dave's never going to let
me live it down.
Speaker 5 (09:08):
I'm just telling you.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
It is a fact. They have apps. They have apps
for this. That's all I'm saying. They have apps for
this thing. Man. Tomorrow, all right, We'll see you guys
tomorrow for the best.
Speaker 7 (09:19):
You know what the magical number eighty four is. I
talked to you about it briefly, okay in the pregame show. Okay,
on the broadcast with the Broncos and the Bills. Eighty
four eighty four? What was a represent for it represents
(09:39):
a mindset?
Speaker 1 (09:41):
Do you want to share with that? Man, I'm trying
to lead you to it, Young Ryan, I'll have to
think about that. Can I have the break to ponder?
Speaker 4 (09:50):
Take your time?
Speaker 2 (09:50):
Okay?
Speaker 4 (09:50):
These breaks are an eternity.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
Okay, this hour's just when a thousand dollars coming over
the next five minutes.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
Thanks this tan Brick Dental group.
Speaker 4 (10:05):
Push it a little bit, but strong direction.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
Wrong direction?
Speaker 4 (10:08):
All right?
Speaker 2 (10:08):
Tell me the eighty fourth thing, man.
Speaker 4 (10:10):
What conclusion did you come to?
Speaker 2 (10:11):
Because sharp the Brady four, I.
Speaker 4 (10:14):
Don't think about that.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
That's all.
Speaker 7 (10:17):
I can't get that out of the number. We'll get
it out of your head, right, the number eighty four.
Just so, we ride the first bus every day of
a game on the road, and that bus normally for
a one pm kick, depending on how far the stadium is,
and the stadium was about fifteen minutes. Bus leaves at
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nine nine am, into the stadium by nine fifteen. So
here's your clue. Here's your hint. From the time I
got on the bus until the time we pulled down
under the tunnel to get off to go through security check,
the number that pops into my mind was eighty four.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
So it wasn't eighty four minutes to get there, right.
Speaker 4 (11:03):
Okay, it's a fifteen minute bus drive.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
Fifteen minute.
Speaker 6 (11:06):
I mean everything I want to say here is some
algebraic nerd stuff.
Speaker 4 (11:09):
So, and that would be different than.
Speaker 6 (11:12):
Any other day, not not even slightly. I didn't think
anybody want.
Speaker 7 (11:16):
To talk about like so, so the state I'll give
you one of the Hurlitz automosis theory. The stadium for
the Bills is a little bit like the Packers in
that it just pops up almost in the middle of
a neighborhood. I mean, you got you got people turning
their their driveways into like a park here for like
LAbau thirty bucks and fifty bucks, and it's like, okay,
kind of cool, but it's it's That was the number
(11:39):
of Falangies that I counted from the time we pulled
into the neighborhood until the time we're wait eight, we
got flipped off and we're we're in the I mean
eighty four time. And I'm not making it up. I
actually counted. Oh yeah, and.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
We got double Filangie.
Speaker 4 (12:01):
That's two. That's not one because it's one person. Oh it.
Speaker 7 (12:06):
They love the Bills and they can't stay stay at
whoever the Bills are playing.
Speaker 4 (12:13):
Eighty four birds we got.
Speaker 6 (12:15):
You might be able top that next year because we
got a road game at Philly. We might be able
top that next year.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
Yeah, I'm sure, but but but here's the difference in Philly.
Speaker 4 (12:22):
Eighty is not right stadiums right downtown.
Speaker 7 (12:25):
Yeah, right, So you've got people they're not I mean,
we had like probably three or four blocks that were
lined at nine am, nine fifteen with Bills fans in
Jerseys sitting there waiting on the bus.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
I mean when you jump through tables as a celebration
for your team.
Speaker 4 (12:44):
Maybe you hit dr that thing.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
Yeah, that's a good question.
Speaker 4 (12:48):
Buffalo actually start that the table is the breaking table.
Speaker 6 (12:51):
Yeah, that's a Buffalo thing. Yeah, that is absolutely Buffalo thing.
Speaker 5 (12:54):
You know.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
You hit your head too many times doing that four
tables by the way, but by the way, maybe it's
it's a good thing from the economy standpoint because.
Speaker 6 (13:02):
There's manufacturing and the roof.
Speaker 7 (13:07):
We did go on Saturday night, like five o'clock. I
took an uber about fifteen minutes and the Buffalo radio
crew of the guy had this sideline.
Speaker 4 (13:16):
Yep, yes, great, great guy.
Speaker 7 (13:18):
He set up for us to go to this local
restaurant and it was so typical Buffalo but really cool.
I mean, had a cheers feel to it and the
absolute best pizza that I've ever had. And I kid
you not, and I'm I'm a pizza aficionado. They brought
this out and it's like, oh my goodness. Family owned,
mom and dad. Mom was working. The Sun, Sun was there.
(13:40):
We talked to the Sun. Just a cool, really cool setting.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
That's amazing. Yeah, that's cool.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
And that is one thing and Rick and I've talked
off off the record of ties about to some of
the trips and he tells me all the time and
he's like, man, we tried this restaurant as the best.
You I mean, you got to come out with us
in the road. I'm like, I work here, this is like.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
This is domain. I have experience with that.
Speaker 6 (14:02):
I went out with you guys to the LA preseason
game a couple of years ago, and man Aj goes
how to find some food joints.
Speaker 7 (14:08):
I will say that I got to go somewhere and
it doesn't have to be like the most expensive. I
mean the seven of us there were seven on the crew.
Jesse went our engineer and Doc who was our statistician.
He showed up the seven of us, eight wings, three
different kinds of wings, pizza and whatever, and got out
(14:31):
for under two hundred No way for two hundred dollars.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
It was good too.
Speaker 4 (14:36):
That's really good, really good pizza.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
Well that was amazing.
Speaker 1 (14:40):
Well, I can't wait till I get into some more
stories with Rick Lewis tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
Hey will come back.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
I got to get to this stuff from Sean Payton
talking about the Joker position. We talked a little bit
about it yesterday, but he has some interesting perspective on
it today certainly makes me think they're going pretty heavy
after that position here in the offseason. One will remind you, guys,
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(15:12):
Because is that is that common? I mean, I guess
it's not. In the eighty four seems like excessive, what
I'm saying. When you guys are traveling to no opposing
stage Airhead Stadium for example, Oh, you get a few.
Speaker 4 (15:23):
An Arrowhead, but there's not as much time Arrowhead because
Arrowhead literally is right off of seventy one.
Speaker 7 (15:30):
It's off the highway, okay, And so you once you
get off the highway and start to you enter the
stadium premise, then you have you have a bunch of
tailgaters at Arrowhead, okay, and they'll they'll tell.
Speaker 4 (15:41):
You how much they love you.
Speaker 7 (15:42):
But this was just unique because we had again we
had about six blocks on the bus to where people
are lined.
Speaker 4 (15:51):
They literally lined the streets that we were, you know,
turning on and just letting us have it.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
I want to ask you a question, and I completely understand.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
If you don't want to answer it, but you know,
in the exercise of radio would be cooled.
Speaker 6 (16:09):
No, how many did he flip back off? How many times?
Speaker 1 (16:12):
Do you know what is the most obnoxious fan base
from visiting for a visiting team as far as your
view of it, you mean when we traveled, yes with Broncos. Yes,
I would say, when the Raiders were in Oakland at
the Oakland Alameda County Coliseum, it was.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
It was spirited.
Speaker 7 (16:39):
I wish you could see the look on your It's funny.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
Because it's so true.
Speaker 6 (16:43):
But then after the game they were the coolest people ever.
Speaker 4 (16:51):
When the Raiders.
Speaker 7 (16:52):
This true story, when the Raiders played in l A, right,
we got dropped off one time where we should not
have been dropped off, and we had to walk from
like deep in the parking lot all the way to
the gate that allowed us as media heathens to go.
(17:16):
And so I'm walking and this is back early early
when I was doing the Broncos and I was working
with Larry Zimmer, the great Larry Zimmer.
Speaker 4 (17:24):
And so we're we're walking and true story, like.
Speaker 7 (17:31):
We get approached by a couple or I can't remember
two or three interesting looking fellas, and they wanted to know, Amen,
it's in the bag. Well, first of all, it's not
a bag. It's a briefcase, knucklehead. So, I mean that
(17:52):
was but you know, you don't want to. I mean,
you get to pick and choose the times in your
life that you're going.
Speaker 4 (17:59):
To dig in and say.
Speaker 7 (18:01):
This is not for you, right, And I just kept walking,
you know, and just said, ah, a bunch of stuff
that you know, But no, no, that was that was
not That was not the time to do it. So
the Raiders have always had kind of the oh gosh,
eclectic sort of yeah you know yahoos that followed them.
(18:25):
They haven't had a lot to really revel in the
last the last few years.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
Well now they're in Vegas. I mean, yeah, FI spot
for him. Why is that.
Speaker 7 (18:36):
Because you got a bunch of you got a bunch
of Have you seen some of the stuff the Raiders stands?
Speaker 4 (18:40):
Where you see my man that paints his.
Speaker 7 (18:42):
Fans, I mean he fits right in and they does
look at a place you got.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
To show it the Yeah, the casino. Okay, that's that's fair.
Speaker 4 (18:51):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
I always think that when teams transplant to a new city,
you're gonna get a weird mix of of the fan
base because there's some fans that will make the travel
and there's some that are going to like start out
and say I'm now a Raiders fan because this is
in my city.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
Yeah yeah, yeah, But that's not like the diehard.
Speaker 7 (19:10):
It's not as intimidating as the County Coliseum. I mean
they would literally would throw I mean I remember doing
a TV show, I think it was the Thron's a
polo at the time, and they're throwing you know, batteries,
They're throwing stuff at us. I'm thinking, we're not even
(19:31):
playing here.
Speaker 4 (19:32):
What are we? What are we doing here?
Speaker 1 (19:33):
So are they worse in than Eagles or Patriots fans?
I mean that's what I've never I've never thought we've played.
We've I am played.
Speaker 7 (19:41):
I mean I played in New England, but as a broadcaster,
the Broncos have played back there a number of times.
Speaker 4 (19:46):
I've never felt like those fans.
Speaker 7 (19:48):
Were, you know, so far past the line that you
were fearful of going in where Philadelphia has some you know,
I mean, they're creative in terms of how they want
to abuse you.
Speaker 4 (20:02):
Verbally for the most part.
Speaker 7 (20:05):
Right, I saw I saw something on social media today
where this dumb fass.
Speaker 4 (20:10):
Fan did he get fired?
Speaker 7 (20:12):
I mean, what's wrong with you calling there was a
couple wearing Green Bay gear and.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
He's just he's just over the top.
Speaker 7 (20:20):
He's lucky that the husband had some restraint to him.
He should he should have and could have been punched
right in the pie hole, like shut up. But yeah,
but I've never you know, I never.
Speaker 4 (20:34):
You don't really feel unsafe with Philadelphia.
Speaker 7 (20:36):
They're just uh, they got a little East Coast thing going,
and they're they're wired a little differently.
Speaker 6 (20:41):
Yeah, I got fired from his job, which is called
BCT Consulting.
Speaker 4 (20:43):
No relation, by the way.
Speaker 7 (20:51):
Got you you gotta be stuck on stupid you guys
sitting there filming and you're talking right into the right
into the camera, and he just kept.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
Going yeah, and he just kept you're you're right.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
And some people said, hey, if that was me, I
I mean saying that to my wife or and there
was this case was his fiance. Yeah, we can't repeat
what he said because it's obviously grotesque, but there are
a lot of people that said, hey, that guy, the
fiance probably should should have or could have come after
that guy.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
I was like, I don't know if I could have
held back.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
And you need to hold that, Okay, I should hold Yah,
you need to know.
Speaker 4 (21:25):
I'm just kidding.
Speaker 7 (21:26):
No, I think you would have been well within uh
your rights as a husband to react in a way
that would not have been.
Speaker 6 (21:34):
Oh yeah, I've had have been my wife. You know,
I'm standing up there like, buddy, you need to you
need to shut your mouth or I'm gonna flip your.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
Off switch like it's you know, it was bad, but again,
the internet does what the internet does.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
And that dude lost his job.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
He got completely docks and yeah he's yeah, he's in
the stadium for life and lost his job. So a
couple of things here. One of you was Sean Payton.
I told you I had a great staff for you, Dave,
and I knew that you were. You've been waiting for.
Speaker 7 (21:58):
Patiently, you know, I've I've not wanted to bring it up,
and I'm really excited.
Speaker 4 (22:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
So this was on the the Broncos Running Game. This
was on Nate Tye's podcast that he does on Yahoo
with Matt Harmon, and Matt Harmon brought this really interesting
stat about the Broncos rushing attack on the podcast, Yes, Dray,
And here's what it was.
Speaker 9 (22:15):
When I look across the league and I don't think
we're going to get another, you know, Baltimore Philadelphia situation
where we have like a great ecosystem and then you
drop like a Hall of Fame talent and you go
to the moon you weaponize it. But that's what I'm
obsessed of, trying to find the next version of that.
I think the Broncos could be that type of team
because again, close your ears, Broncos fans, but if you
(22:37):
just isolate their running back runs, they're thirteenth in success
right this year. So don't you know, bo Nick's the
scrambling that's all taken out of it just running back runs.
The thing is they actually don't have any good backs.
And I'm with you on that one, Broncos fans. They
don't have a good back, like they don't have one guy.
That was just the thing this year. But the collection
of players did produce a solid run game, and again
(22:59):
the is in the pudding here that that has nothing
to do with the backs. On those running back runs,
Denver ranked eleventh in yards before contact per rush by
the running backs and twenty eighth in yards after contact.
So like we get a gheto that. Right there, we
hit a real deal running back in here. I think
this could be a fantastic run game.
Speaker 3 (23:19):
So to his.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
Point, and that is that, by the way, that was
Matt Harmon.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
Harmon from ncis, oh my god, you had the same
You made the same joke show like quarterback Mark Harmon.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
Matt funny funny storyboutt Harmon.
Speaker 6 (23:32):
Matt Harmon's first radio interview was with me, there you go, okay,
so I can make that joke.
Speaker 4 (23:36):
Go ahead, right great?
Speaker 1 (23:37):
Anyways, eleventh in yards before contact, twenty eighth in yards
after contact.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
What does that say to you, Dave.
Speaker 7 (23:43):
Well, I think that's probably an accurate stat His first
stat was confusing to me because he talked about they
really don't have a good running back, and yet there
was the thirteenth Yeah, running back instasy efficiency. I see
that to me is I can I can rab my
head orund on the eleventh before contact twenty eighth after
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because that means your offensive line was doing a pretty
good job and your your running backs really were not
efficient after contact, which in this league you have to
be the but the the overall they're thirteenth in running
back efficiency.
Speaker 4 (24:17):
I'm thinking, what is that? What's it based on?
Speaker 1 (24:21):
Well, I can give a little bit of a background
on that. So again that's EPA, right, and I know
you're one your fact.
Speaker 4 (24:28):
So we're going way down the rabbit hole.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
We're getting a Yeah, I almost want you to ignore
that part of it and really focus on the yards
after Comma, I want you.
Speaker 4 (24:36):
I want you to focus on that part of it
and answer the question.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
The backstory there is.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
In November, Nate Tice and this is again into the
rabbit hole Twitter for a moment. In a moment, he
tweeted out a video where he was breaking down the
Broncos and talking about how they had a good run game.
Like he said, Hey, there are certain things that they
need to clean up on the offense side of the ball,
but they have a really good run game and I
think that's going to help Albo Nicks.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
And then there was a lot of Broncos fans, I.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
Guess they'll put it that way to watch games who
watch games and said I don't think that this is
a really really good run game. I would agree with them,
And so they went after him because it felt like
a sort of a national media member who didn't really
watch close enough.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
That was just going off of a stat right, and
so that's what he did.
Speaker 4 (25:19):
So so, so what is the thirteenth in the league?
Speaker 2 (25:22):
It's just an a. So he's talking about efficiency metrics?
Speaker 1 (25:25):
Does that mean well either just the overall the rushing
attack is the one the reason why the Broncos offensive
line buages so well.
Speaker 7 (25:32):
Based on So, either you don't know or I can't
understand what the hell you're saying.
Speaker 4 (25:37):
What does what goes mean? What goes into.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
Coming out with that?
Speaker 6 (25:41):
Yes, measure, it's a measure of how many yards they
gain on a given snap, and it changes snap to snap.
They basically sixty percent of the yards needed to keep
you ahead of the chains. It's a bit arbitrary, but
that's the general way.
Speaker 4 (25:53):
To put that.
Speaker 6 (25:53):
So if you were to get you don't know either. No,
I mean I can get into the bath on this
if you want to. And I mean I don't think
anybody was an algebra as them.
Speaker 4 (26:00):
Heckle and jack O. Here what are we doing?
Speaker 7 (26:03):
I mean thirteen, I have no idea what that means.
If he is if mister Harmon is saying that I
get the stat about eleventh before contact, twenty eighth after, okay,
because that's fairly easy.
Speaker 4 (26:19):
To understand for a more unlike me. The thirteenth in efficiency.
Speaker 7 (26:24):
I don't know, but I called every single game and
they were not a good running team, and especially when
they had to run, right, they had prior to the
postseason game.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
In seventeen regular season.
Speaker 7 (26:40):
Games, all right, they had twenty runs for the season
of twenty yards or more. Bo Nicks, excuse me, bo
Knicks had Let me take that back. They had ten
runs of twenty yards or more and bow Knicks had
six of them.
Speaker 4 (27:00):
What are we talking about? So and not one back
had more than one.
Speaker 7 (27:05):
So I just don't I mean all these numbers, these
the analytics. I'm a believer in some of them, and
then there's others. When you scratch your hitt and say, okay,
I have no idea what you're talking.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
About, the number changes. But so here's what it is.
Speaker 6 (27:18):
It's the number of times the running back gets forty
percent of the yards needed for a first down on
first down, sixty percent of the yards needed on second down,
and all of the yards needed on third down. It's
I don't want to get to the mouth on why
that is, but that's what it is. I don't necessarily
like that formula per se, but people use it to
indicate efficiency as and how much a running back is
able to get the chunk of yards needed or get
(27:38):
you forward into that house to think about what you
just said. Well, I mean, stop, I agree with you,
but I'm.
Speaker 4 (27:45):
Trying to stop the seventhing about how this would not
make sense. Right.
Speaker 7 (27:48):
So it's the number of times a running back in
first down gets forty percent of what he needs on
a first down.
Speaker 6 (27:52):
Carry, which would be four yards most time.
Speaker 4 (27:54):
Okay.
Speaker 7 (27:55):
Then on second down, the runner has to get sixty
percent of the six yards, which is three point six yards.
Speaker 6 (28:01):
Well, but it's not necessarily it's sixty percent of the
remaining yards. So it could be you know, it's just
viewed through the lens of second and whatever.
Speaker 4 (28:09):
So second it could be second one, it could be fifteen.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
Yeah, it could be second case warm up with nine yards.
Speaker 6 (28:14):
Right, So that's what they that's what this So they
came up with classifier.
Speaker 7 (28:20):
Okay, So again, so then you go to Baltimore and
you look at Derrick Henry and let's say it's second
and fifteen and they turn around, handed off to him
and he gets eight yards.
Speaker 6 (28:32):
That then that doesn't fall under the success that's not
a successful run.
Speaker 4 (28:38):
No further questions, you're on. I rest my case.
Speaker 6 (28:41):
I'm absolutely what they do is they use this stat
over the course of a season and the percentage of
times that you did get a success you know, a
success rate kind of thing. I don't necessarily agree with this.
I'm just trying to explain the formula so people can
wrap their head around what it is they're talking about.
And we've talked about it before that it can be
a bit of a flawed metric, you think, Okay, I mean.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
Has the highest success rate in the.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
Which is obvious because yeah, they get you watch football,
and here.
Speaker 4 (29:09):
Here's what I would say. I mean, if you really
know the game, all you got to do is watch
the game.
Speaker 7 (29:14):
Watch the game. Now here's where I think analytics are important.
I think coaches make decisions on whether or not it
is in their best interest from a percentage standpoint to
go for something, maybe on a fourth down.
Speaker 4 (29:29):
I don't think it's always right.
Speaker 7 (29:31):
I think the gut of the coach has to come
into play.
Speaker 4 (29:35):
More so, than it does. Uh.
Speaker 7 (29:38):
You know, I want to hear from analytic people, but
when it when it comes down to it, on that
fourth down call, it's it's based on what you've seen
in the game. How well have you been able to
run it? Have you thought your offensive line is controlled
their defensive line up front? You feel like I can
get a good push? Who's the back?
Speaker 3 (29:56):
All those.
Speaker 7 (29:59):
Where the game is it? Are we behind a are
we ahead? So all those things. But that's to me,
that's why you pay head coaches twenty million dollars a year, dude.
And if I'm Greg Pinner or any other owner, I'm
looking at my coach and saying, hey, that's why I
paid you. I don't want to hear at the end
of the game that the analytics guy said do this
and I did that and it didn't work. No, no, no,
(30:20):
I'm not paying the analytics guy twenty million. I'm paying
you twenty million, and I want you. There's a reason
I hired you, and I pay you because I want
your expertise.
Speaker 4 (30:31):
That's what I'm paying for studies.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
You know, sixty the time it works every time therefficiency.
Speaker 6 (30:39):
I said, is there a better matchup than this? Weekend's
Meathead versus Meathead and Dan Campbell and Dan Quinn, guys
who always goes I.
Speaker 4 (30:47):
Love though, I'll be I'll be honest about it.
Speaker 7 (30:51):
I kind of I kind of love it now, you know,
as much as I love Dan Campbell. Detroit fans last
year the NFC Championship game, you could make a case,
and a strong one that by doing what he did,
he cost his team a chance to win that game.
Oh yeah, I mean, period, as long as he's ready
(31:11):
to own that.
Speaker 4 (31:12):
And he did, and he did, and the.
Speaker 7 (31:14):
Ford family is ready to say we love this guy,
we hire him for his aggressiveness. I mean, I'm all
for it, because he took a lot of grief in
his initial press conference, and I you know, I'm not
the only one, but I remember saying I don't hate that.
Speaker 4 (31:29):
I don't. I know.
Speaker 7 (31:30):
It was maybe not as polished a message as you
would like, but I kind of like, like, hey man,
we're gonna do whatever it takes to win here.
Speaker 4 (31:39):
Period.
Speaker 5 (31:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
I love the it was the ankle biter or whatever
it was.
Speaker 5 (31:44):
Yeah it was.
Speaker 6 (31:44):
Yeah, I love that.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
Back to the original point of this, before we went
down the rabbit hole on EPA, because I didn't.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
I didn't think about that when we got the sound.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
What I wanted to hear from you was your thoughts
on the fact that the offensive line per those numbers
yards after contact, they been doing their job, and just
to think and because because his point is a valid one,
what it would mean if you got a running back
in there that was able to take advantage of it.
I think that would make a huge difference. And that's
how close they are in that respect. Because the offensive
(32:13):
line is going to be is going to be here.
Speaker 7 (32:15):
You would think so, yes, you would think so, and
the quarterback is going to be more comfortable. But I
think you have to have I mean to me, you've
got to have two of them. I don't know who
they are. Haven't started working on the draft yet. There
are some people I listened to that already working on
the draft. I haven't, but I think you have to
have two backs, and you got to have you know,
(32:36):
have to necessarily have a bell cow. You can go
with whoever's hot in the game, but you gotta have
two guys. And when it's all said and done, give
you a twenty between twenty and twenty five carries, if
not more, and are good.
Speaker 4 (32:50):
Enough in past protection.
Speaker 7 (32:51):
Maybe one's a little bit better, so he maybe you
play him a third down.
Speaker 4 (32:55):
You can mix and match.
Speaker 7 (32:56):
What I don't think you can do moving forward is
what the Broncos have done this year. You know you're
in for a play, you're in for a play, you're in.
I just think that speaks and you do what you
got to do to try to win games. But I
think it spoke to the staff looking at that running
back room and just saying, we we got to do
(33:17):
it this way. We just don't have confidence that if
we don't do it this way, none of them are
going to be able to play three downs or two
or three straight series and for us to be a
productive team.
Speaker 6 (33:28):
I hope that's the case, but given Sean Payton's history,
that may not be. I mean, you go back and
you look, and it was even when he had mark
Ingram and Pierre Thomas and.
Speaker 4 (33:35):
He didn't ta him out every single week, he would.
Speaker 6 (33:37):
Rotate him through Kamara. Was the closest they ever came
to a bell catle. And he's still platoons. He's still
split fifty to fifty for the first.
Speaker 4 (33:45):
I'm not against fifty to fifty split.
Speaker 2 (33:47):
No, but I'm talking about when.
Speaker 6 (33:48):
He had mark ingram And and Pierre Thomas, Latavious Murray
and Darren Sproilt, and he was rotating, you know, and
you would sit there, Pierre would be ripping off two three,
you know, five six yards of carry, and then he'd
pull him out and put Ingram in for two yards.
Nobody ever felt like they got in a rythm.
Speaker 7 (34:02):
I just don't think you can rotate backs virtually every
play in the NFL position.
Speaker 4 (34:11):
That just means you don't To me, that just means
you don't love your backs.
Speaker 1 (34:14):
Well, Sean was asked about that today if he thought
they needed to go with the bell cow back, and
can you agree with you, Dave, let's start with that one.
Speaker 4 (34:22):
I don't know that we ever found that right.
Speaker 10 (34:24):
You know that I understand the committee I'm used to
having too. We're gonna have more than just one back.
We're gonna, we're gonna we're gonna stack that position group.
It's too hard in our league to play with just one.
Rarely does a team do it. Occasionally it happens, and
certainly we'll have a chance to evaluate when we get
(34:46):
to the off season evaluation process like where we feel
like we're at with each position certainly that that's an
important position.
Speaker 5 (34:55):
Yeah, I'm not.
Speaker 10 (34:55):
Ready to do today to give you our must needs
and wants. You know that we're two weeks away, and
and even two weeks from now, I'm still not going
to give them to you, all right, But we'll go
through that process and we'll look closely at what we
think we still need, what we have to have, and
(35:17):
then what we want to have That only comes after
evaluating our own roster.
Speaker 4 (35:23):
We're just not there yet, he has today.
Speaker 6 (35:26):
I sort of agree with his premise, and I definitely
agree with your premise that have to you know, you
need more than one guy. But then you look at
the teams in the playoffs this year, right, what do
you mean?
Speaker 2 (35:36):
Look well, look at the teams.
Speaker 6 (35:37):
That are still left in the playoffs right now, and
look at it. Whether or not they have a bell
cow back. I mean, everybody's got.
Speaker 7 (35:43):
You don't don't subscribe or ascribe the term to me.
I've never said bell cow you need two guys you
and then you go with the hot hand, but you
but they got to play, They got to get lathered
and play more than a play.
Speaker 6 (35:56):
Right, But you look at the look at the teams
that are left Buffalo, I mean that's Cook, right, Baltimore.
Speaker 4 (36:02):
Wait a minute, Wait a minute, I'm gonna challenge you
even gosh, I mean I'm gonna challenge you Cook. They
played three backs?
Speaker 6 (36:09):
What Ray Ray Davison for a carry?
Speaker 5 (36:11):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (36:12):
Well, I mean Ray Ray Davis played more than one play.
We have one carry?
Speaker 8 (36:17):
Ye?
Speaker 7 (36:18):
He got hurt, Yeah, he got he got concussed. I
thought Ty Johnson was in the game. I'd have to
go back and look at the snaps. I mean, clearly
James Cook is their guy, right, and clearly we don't.
Speaker 4 (36:30):
Have a James Cook.
Speaker 7 (36:32):
But the second guy who wound up catching what what
really was the game deciding touchdown, he played quite a bit.
So I think if you got two, hey, if you
if they can find one, that is the guy, I'm
all for it. And the second guy gets limited reps,
but he's able to come in spell him, go get
(36:52):
some gatorade, what have you. But I just don't think
with the with as much as they rotated, I just
don't think that's a winning formula that is easily sustainable.
Speaker 6 (37:03):
I'm one hundred percent with you, and I'm with you
on the split it. I'm just saying, like you have
Derek Henry, any other guy, Justice Hill, but it's it's
most of these in Detroit.
Speaker 2 (37:10):
Uh well he went down it all. It's been all Gibbs.
Speaker 6 (37:13):
Yeah, but that's but in a perfect world, they you know,
they split it one too. You got Pacheco, you got
Mixing in Houston, you've got Squon and.
Speaker 4 (37:22):
Philly well you know went for more than two thousand
tyron in l A.
Speaker 6 (37:28):
I mean, most these guys have seventy percent times heare guys, Well, that's.
Speaker 4 (37:31):
Okay, I'm seventy percent is fine.
Speaker 7 (37:33):
I think if you're second back is a guy that
gives you thirty percent of the snaps any given week,
you're good, right.
Speaker 4 (37:40):
I just again, I just can't.
Speaker 7 (37:43):
Yeah, you know, I don't think it does the backs
any any service. Find out who can play, and if
they can't play, then you know your job is to
go out and try to find somebody to replace him
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