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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (00:00):
Rick Lewis will be in with us on a football
Friday as we get ready for the Super Bowl. Looking
forward to that Broncos country tonight. Coming up here at
the top of the hour. In the meantime, if you
want to interact with the program five six six nine zero.
A lot of people chiming in on our conversation about
NFL Honors that's coming up tonight. I believe this is
seven o'clock is when you can watch it on Fox.
But yeah, a lot of people chiming in with their
different thoughts. I think some people said, why are we
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not talking a little more sincerely about Sakuon Barkley is
the MVP?
Speaker 1 (00:27):
You know?
Speaker 2 (00:27):
Once again, I think there's a little bit of the
this is what we think is going to happen versus
maybe what we want to happen. Right, we all want
bo Nicks to win Offensive Rookie of the Year. I
think there's just an argument for that. What we think
is going to happen is Jayden Daniels, Right, Taquon Barkley.
I'd love to see Saquon Barkley win MVP, and honestly,
if the Eagles would have let him run in that
last game and he broke the rushing record, I think
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the argument would be extremely strong, despite how great Lamar
Jackson and Josh Allen played, and despite the fact that
he usually goes to a quarterback.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
I think there would have been a really good argument
for him.
Speaker 3 (00:59):
Yeah, would have had to have broken the record. The
problem is that we fall into the stereotype, right, or
we fall into what we've seen in the past. This
award usually goes to a quarterback. Unfortunately, I'm not saying
that minimizes what Saquon Barkley did at all, because dude
was sensation all this past year. And if he got
the nod tonight for MVP, I'd say, a great job,
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heck of a job.
Speaker 4 (01:23):
Right, and you earned it. And you know, the next.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
Set of guys that are growing up looking up the
Saquon that's the number, right, You're trying to surpass that,
and how do I get the two thousand yards to
be the MVP. But just history says that the quarterback's
favored in that category, I.
Speaker 5 (01:39):
Would say I would add to what Orlando said. I mean,
living here in Denver and calling Broncos games, I'm gonna
pull for the Broncos. So I'm hoping Patser Tan is
going to win the Defensive Player of the Year. I
think he will. I'm hoping the bow Nicks wins the
Offensive Player of the Year.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
I don't.
Speaker 5 (01:56):
I don't. I think he'll finish second, but I hope
he wins. Other than that, I really don't care. Everybody
else's had great seasons. You can make a case for
Lamar Jackson, you can make a case for Josh Allen,
for Saquon Barkley. There's not anybody up there that is
on the list on any particular award that hasn't had
a great season. All the coaching of the Year candidates
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did a great job this year. That's why They're's why
they're mentioned. So I don't have a dog in the
fight at all, unless it's sort of pulling for the
hometown guys. So Saquon is deserving, no doubt about that.
But I just don't think he'll win.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
This was a cool thing that Paul Himbo from ESPN
put out yesterday about Saquon Barkley. He's the fifty fourth
player to score twenty touchdowns from scrimmage in a season,
including the playoffs. Of the fifty four, though he's the
only one who's average score exceeded thirty yards per score
thirty two point five nineteen eighty four, Mark Clayton with
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twenty nine nineteen eighty nine, Jerry Rice with twenty eight
point seven, Gail Series with twenty seven point four in
nineteen sixty five, and Saques it's the top of that list.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
Does the shocks that total touchdowns? It is a twenty
touchdowns from scrimmage? So yes, so is it from scrimmage?
Speaker 5 (03:13):
Yeah, staras did Dad because Stairs was a return guy too.
What year is that? Sixty five? Sixty five? Okay? Gil
Stairs was one of my favorite kids growing up. A
favorite player is growing up as a kid. I want
to say in sixty five he had multiple touchdowns as
a return guy.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
But you're saying those do not factor in that total, doesn't,
I mean from scrimmage? So I'm going so.
Speaker 5 (03:37):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, Well, I mean Saque's a home run here.
Kansas City's been working on this. You know for two weeks.
Steve Spagnola is getting about two hours sleep a night,
and he's he's got number twenty six. You know, when
he and his wife play bingo in that hour time
they have on a Friday night before the Super Bowl.
Nobody's going to holler at twenty six and then holler bingo.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
Doesn't surprise.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
Yeah, but it doesn't surprise me at all because you
look at that Philadelphia Eagles offense and what it takes
to run the football in the National Football League and
having an athletic quarterback like Jaalen Hurts with his playfakes
and carrying out the fake, and and then you got
aj Brown that will go on the front side, and
they got the safety or push crack and steal off
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linebackers at the second level gets through that first line
of defense and good luck secondary. What I would I
would love to see what defensive back we think in
the National Football League and you can say, hey, you're
gonna get Saquon. This is exactly how this thing is
going to block it out. And you got to come
downhill and fill in that D gap. You got to
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come and you got to make that tackle one on one.
How many do you think you get out of five
on maybe one? The way that young man runs, So
you know, if you the Eagles offensive coordinator, you're trying
to get him the ball and get That's how you're
designing it. How do you get him on a safety?
And if you could get him through the safety, that's
why that number is so huge of thirty yards plus
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because now it's off to the races.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
Bananas.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
I wanted to come back to some of the sound
yesterday with kay Adams of Sean Payton, and it was
funny because at the very beginning of the interview, you know,
there's sort of chit chatting, and then she brings up
something that I had kind of forgotten about from last year.
Do you remember when Gorse she interviewed him last year
on Radio Row and she asked him about falling in
love with the quarterback, like you want to fall in
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love with the quarterback? And that was kind of the
big discussion and we talked about it quite a bit
on the show. Okay, well, who would that be If
you're falling in love with the quarterback you're picking twelfth.
I mean, there's going to be you know, you can't
fall in love with Jadan Daniels a twelve because he's
not going to be there or Kayleb Williams, right, So
it's got to be somebody else. So she asked him
about that process, like, hey, we're a year later, and
you fell in love with bo Nix.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
And here's what he said, I.
Speaker 6 (05:55):
Would say in a great spot, and it's a credit
to It's credit to him.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
Here's one of the biggest challenges in our.
Speaker 7 (06:04):
Business is the the the narrative maybe of the scouting
bus that's already begun, mock drafts and all of that,
and so.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
All of the things that you read or we read
and heard.
Speaker 6 (06:21):
About this player, so many of them were inaccurate. He's
wasn't going to be trade taken till this point.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
He only throws the underneath ball.
Speaker 6 (06:32):
I think he finished third in the NFL with twenty
plus yard completions. He's extremely athletic, he's six to two.
So you have to have enough conviction to tune out
the noise. And that was easier to do twenty years ago.
But as soon as this Internet came and in a
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good way, in an entertaining way, along came with it
man a lot of white no and so we felt
real strong.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
After his workout.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
I thought that was I mean again, he's talking about
the Remember last year you start with the train, kept saying,
everybody gets on the train and they think they know
what we're supposed to do and we got to kind
of block all that out.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
Of how he's blaming the internet, that's outstanding.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
But yeah, I mean that's the thing like there was,
and I include myself in this, there were a lot
of people that didn't think Boenix was going the first
round and you had to block that out, and he
was right.
Speaker 5 (07:30):
I think I think he was just being completely forthright
in that comment with Kay Adams. With respect to I
think it's a lot tougher now than it was twenty
twenty five years ago because you have a preponderance of people.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
Talk show hosts, podcast crafts.
Speaker 5 (07:51):
I mean, how many how many people actually do mock
drafts nowadays, and you know, you know why they do
that because there is an appetite for that, because that's
how big the NFL is. So yeah, I think Sean's
right in that regard. And I think again we've talked
about it a lot. I mean, I think they fell
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in love with Boneck, especially after the workout.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
After they submitted to him.
Speaker 5 (08:16):
At five pm one afternoon and the next meeting was
scheduled at nine am the next morning. They intentionally submitted
more information than they thought he would be able to
process just to see how far he could get to it,
and he pleasantly surprised him.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
Because he got to all of it.
Speaker 5 (08:35):
So for a guy like Peyton, who is about as
much of the processing and the cerebral part of playing
the position as he is about the physical part of it,
that's like, you know, an elixir. That's like saying, wait,
what you can do all that and you can throw
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it and you're better athletes. I mean, so that I mean,
it was pretty easy I think for Sean to fall
in love with BONI.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
Yeah, these coaches get so creative with how they approach
you and get you ready. Like when I was coming
out in twenty eleven, the Cleveland Browns came down to
Miami to work me out, and I sat there in
a room and we talked football. Right, we were just
talking football and my past year at the University of Miami.
We're watching my film and then coach warmat the offensive
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line coach then started talking about Cleveland stuff, and then
we went back to my stuff at the University. UM
then we went outside and did a workout. Then he
brought me back up on the board and then we
started talking about Cleveland stuff and how much of that
information that I could retain and remember and then hey,
draw this play up that I already taught you and
installed to you.
Speaker 8 (09:45):
Right.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
So there's different ways to get a good beat on guys.
But there's so many different guys out here right now
that create a false narrative. One of the big narratives
around bow Nicks was about the deep ball that he
doesn't throw it. Well, if you go back and watch
Oregon's offense, right, they got one guy going deep and
you got a bunch.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
Of underneath roads.
Speaker 4 (10:03):
Well, if the guy is.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
Double teamed or he has safety over the top, you
should not throw that. If they're the quarterback, you probably
should throw the ball underneath. So it's a lot of
it's just sipping through that you know what in this
world and really getting your own opinion. And I think
Sean Payton does that better than anybody, right, And trust
your process, trust your opinion. There's a reason like doing
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this job sitting here in radio, I like to watch
football games on mute to create my own opinion of
a guy. That's just how I do think. So a
lot can be learned. But the thing that you know
about bo Nicks is that he's a competitor. You could
have seen that on film. You could see on film
that he was a little bit more athletic, and we
benefited because of all the other things that we did
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not know about. But Sean Payton found out behind closed doors,
and as you should when you're getting ready to make
somebody facing your organization.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
By the way, Dave, he did retell that story about
the giving them the five PM, give him all the
information COMEGA nine. He retold the story about the backpack
and how they emptied out the backpack, and it was
all football stuff.
Speaker 4 (11:06):
I mean, he talked.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
It was like a twenty minute interview. He's probably been
six of it just on Bononix. Here are some other stuff.
I thought this was actually pretty good.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
He talked about his arm strength here, which is again
called in the question in the pre draft process.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
Well, his arm.
Speaker 6 (11:20):
Strength was fantastic. He was the most accurate passer in
the history of college football. He's got he's got like
size eleven hands, so he's never fumbled at orion and
never fumbled knock on wood for us. He doesn't take sacks.
I think he finished fifty guys that take sacks, or
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a lot of them. It's hard to overcut. That's like
a penalty loss of down. And players that take sacks
in college generally take him.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
In the NFL.
Speaker 6 (11:50):
When we started looking at his like negative play differential,
it was first in the class.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
He was first in the class. Third down.
Speaker 6 (11:56):
We took out all the short throws first in the class,
and the two men first, and there were all these
things pointing to.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
This guy's going to be real successful. Tell you what,
Like I said, it went on and on and on.
Speaker 5 (12:11):
So again, everything Sean said was true. And I think
part of what Sean likes about this it might be
down the list of things that he likes about this situation.
He's found himself a franchise quarterback. He's smart as hell.
He doesn't have to worry about all of his terminology
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being too much for bo because Boe can process that.
He can give him anything he can throw at mid range.
He's got enough arm strength. Thus the Cincinnati game is
an example. Through the ball in the air sixty eight yards.
And also on that list, everything that I just said
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makes Sean right, and people, no matter what us him,
everybody we'd like to be right.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
And you know what, there were a lot of.
Speaker 5 (13:05):
People that gave Sean Payton and the Broncos kind of
a lower grade.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
You know, C minus or yeah. Bo Nicks is not
ever going to be a mess.
Speaker 5 (13:15):
That guy, right, And so I think Sean got to
the playoffs, has good team success, you know, have a
chance to get better next year. But also he can
look at all of those people and say, I tried
to tell you this. Am I right? Or am I wrong?
Bo takes a snap, playfakes, rolls to his right. Bo
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looks downfield, throws a deep ball downfield. He's got Mims.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
Bed Fax a catch cuts up Denver.
Speaker 8 (13:46):
What a fro by bo Knicks fifty one yards. Marvin
Mims beat the two safeties Jordan Battle and Geno Stone.
Nicks threw it from about the forty Mims caught it
eight yards deep in the end zone. That ball was
in the air sixty eight yards.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
Was an unbelievable throw. He let that go. I'm like wow,
I thought, would he let it goes? No way? The
ball is gonna get there, and it just kept going.
Speaker 3 (14:17):
The arm strength is there, the arm talent's there. What
we all never accounted for was that from the neck up.
But Sean Payton did right, And I think that that's
what's so important, because there you could have took a
different approach when you leave college to playbook one hundred pages.
When you play in a college football game, you might
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see four blitzes the whole entire game. When you get
to the National Football League, you'll see four different blitzeres
on four different plays.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
Right.
Speaker 3 (14:45):
So, and that playbook there's now five hundred pages. So
the fact that Sean Payton threw everything at him and
he knew that he could throw it at him early
on into the process. In the offseason, I think that
that's when Sean Peyton realized that man, okay, we have
somebody here.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
He's retaining this information.
Speaker 3 (15:04):
My first rookie year in the league, I didn't have
an off season. Chris Cooper told me what to do
week twelve, like in the regular season, was we were
breaking the huddle, he'd.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
Say, hey, oh, you got this.
Speaker 3 (15:16):
He'd look back at Tea Bow tell them if we
were good or not, and had to know his assignment
as well. And then after that he got pissed off
at me. He is like, I'm not babysitting you know, Marian.
You know I'm taking the training wheels off you got
to figure it out on your own. But I was
week thirteen right. And now you look at a guy
like bow Nicks in a playbook that has so much
words that everything means something where guys are going to struggle,
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and Bo has to get those guys in the right page.
Sean Payton to hit it out the park with his
scouting and really identifying bow Knicks's strengths and I don't
even know what exactly the weaknesses are after one year
in the NFFLO.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
But you know, you brought up a point Dave about
about being right, and I think it's a valuable one
because he had to be right about not just Bo Nicks,
but they about the plan to move on from Russ
Like that had to be right too, absolutely because if
they tank this year, like whether bon Nicks hits or not,
but if you just if you go out there and
you're what all these punnets said and you're a five
win team and it looks like a disaster and Sean
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looks like he's lost his touch. There's a lot of
legacy online and we use that word a lot, Like
on Draft night, we said this is a legacy pick.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
This is Sean Payton, saying this is the direction we're going.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
We're going boldly into the future, and I'm taking my
very first first round quarterback. But he had to be
right about that, he had to be right about the
decision to move on from Russell Wilson, and honestly, for
Sean Payton, I think he ended up being right about both.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
I do too.
Speaker 5 (16:35):
And I think it's human nature to in really competitive
situations to remind people, especially people that da did you
or were very verbal or basically said you don't know
what you're doing, or what's this guy doing? Or he
hadn't been a you know, yeah, okay, he had Drew
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Brees New Orleans. What's he done without Drew Brees? And
so copetitive people in the league is full of and
whether players are coaches, competitive people carry little I've said
this before, little chips on their shoulders.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
That word again, the little little little chips.
Speaker 5 (17:12):
And if it's not a legitimate chip, they make they
make it up. They make up a little little chip.
And it's this on their shoulder. And you can talk
yourself into over a nice steak and a glass of cabernet,
you can talk yourself into you know what this guy
or that guy never believed in me. They never thought
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I could do it, and I'm fixing. I'm fixing the show.
And then once you do it, then it's like, now,
now what you gonna say about that?
Speaker 1 (17:45):
Everybody has a little bit of that.
Speaker 5 (17:47):
You try to, you know, you try to keep it
below the surface because you don't want to be an
arrogant heord. But everybody has that, so Sean has Sean
has the right to crow about it.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
And I mean, he's got his quarterback.
Speaker 5 (18:02):
I'm listen, it's February now and vacation time coming up.
But I'm excited about getting this thing going next year.
And really it's too early to be excited about it,
no doubt.
Speaker 3 (18:14):
But it would also would have been an easy thing
to bring back Russ right. Would have been easy to
not take a quarterback. It would have been easy to
make those decisions. Now you got that coach that has
that little chip on the shoulder, that wants to do
the hard things right.
Speaker 5 (18:30):
And I think the top of his head figuratively speaking,
maybe little literally, the top of Sean's head might have
blown off like a cookie jar when you're looking for
fig newtons.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
I mean, how many times does he talk about the sacks. Oh,
it just he brings it up at every single time.
I mean even in that statement right there right he
was talking about how he's basically a penalty of loss
of down.
Speaker 1 (18:51):
Yeah, he's like, that's how I do.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
And you know what he's kind of right, especially when
you're an offense that is is maybe struggling to find
their way or yards and position of the change is
so important.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
How many times during that last season.
Speaker 5 (19:04):
From an offensive coaches standpoint a creator and Sean Payton
is that uh, And he's been really good. He's been
an elite play creator and caller I think for most,
if not all, of his career. When you have that
guy and you hire him for a lot of money
in his second opportunity as a head coach, and whether
whether fair or not fair, he feels like I can
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come up with all of this stuff and then we
don't execute it.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
May I give you?
Speaker 5 (19:34):
I give you basically the answers to the test and
we're on a you know, we're on a different test.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
So I think I think that first year for.
Speaker 5 (19:45):
Sean Payton drove him almost insane, like him, not like him, agree, whatever,
But I think just that interaction drove him almost out
of his mind.
Speaker 3 (19:57):
Now when you're the creator that offensive minded guy, and
now you have a guy that will take a ton
of sacks. That whole entire play sheet that you got there,
you know, yeah, just you got the whole sheet. Now, oh,
we just took a sack. I could only look at
like a sixteenth of that sheet, like this is all
my opportunities. I got like five plays that I could
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run right here because of just what happened. So to
identify a guy like like bo and for him to
you know, you got.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
To put credit on both too, and.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
Just his competitive nature and not wanting to take sacks
and how he handled hisself as well.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
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We'll be right back on Ka, Dave, you're gonna be
off tomorrow. I wanted to get your thoughts on the
big game. We got the Chiefs, she got the Eagles.
Now I did see somewhere and I think this is
right that Kansas City now only favored by one yep,
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not one and a half.
Speaker 1 (20:59):
But again, one doesn't necessarily I.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
Mean, it's more or less to pick up which in
a lot of ways. And you guys talked about this
very early in the process. I think last week the
numbers weird. The numbers a little weird. It feels like
they want you to bound the Eagles a little bit there.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
See. I think it's weird. But I look at it
the other way.
Speaker 5 (21:15):
Okay, I would have and I said earlier this week,
you know, I would have made the Chiefs about a
three point favorite because I just think, you know, the
Eagles can be ahead. And you know, if Kansas City
is down ten points with five and a half to go,
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they're still, in my book, very much in the game.
If the Eagles are down ten points with five and
a half to go, I think they have problems, real problems.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
Now.
Speaker 5 (21:46):
That said that, numbers come down, and from from my perspective,
just looking strictly at the number, everything that I see
with my eyes tells me I'm not betting against Patrick
Mahomes period. I've just seen it too many times. But
the number, and I'm a numbers I love numbers. The number,
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the number coming down gives me reason for pause. With
respect to of sort of how I analyze the game.
So I think this, I think it's going to be
a hell of a game. The game, to me, is
gonna come down to one thing for both teams. I
think for the Eagles the game comes down to Jalen Hurts.
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I think early in this game is going to be
difficult for the Eagles to get the running game going.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
I think the.
Speaker 5 (22:34):
Chiefs are going to basically dare Jalen Hurts to throw
the ball on first down, and I mean, I think
it's gonna be an eight man box. Both those corners
are going to be on top of a J. Brown
and DeVante Smith. I think I think Goddard could be
a big, big weapon at tight end, but Jalen Hurts
is going to have to be accurate with the ball.
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He's gonna have to make some plays with his legs,
and he's the I think for Hertz is he's got
to not hold the ball and take sex.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
They are dead in the water.
Speaker 5 (23:09):
If on first down you have a sack for twelve yards,
they're not constructed. That offense is not constructed to overcome
a second and twenty two. Very few are the Chiefs
would have a chance again because a fifteen playing quarterback
and the play calling of Andy Reid.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
So I think it's going to be tough early to
run it.
Speaker 5 (23:28):
I think Saquon from the chief standpoint, I think the
danger for them defensively is not to be uber aggressive
with that running game. Even though that's Steve Spagnolo's kind
of mo. He loves to pressure, He pressures as the
game goes on.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
He loves to pressure late. But if the danger of
that is.
Speaker 5 (23:51):
You pressure and missing a tackle, even on an unblocked defender,
then Saquan's out the gate. So part of me thinks
from a defensive you know game plan. Early in that game,
you see the Chiefs and their four man front. You
see them playing two safety, high safety, creeping down a
little bit late, and you know, just playing the run game.
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Let's see how we do against this Eagles run game.
If the Eagles start to run the ball, you'll see
Spagnola in an eight man front, and.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
I think it'll be tough sledding.
Speaker 5 (24:20):
That said, in a long winded answer to your question,
I would lean Philadelphia plus one only because the number
doesn't make sense to me.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
It just doesn't make sense.
Speaker 5 (24:33):
It feels like they're begging me to bet Kansas City.
To me, the number should be three, and the number
started at two and a half, went to two, went
to one and a half, and now it is one.
That's that's diicy to me, raises a red flag. And
so my thought is you take the Eagles plus one
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in the game.
Speaker 3 (25:00):
But I'll tell you this, so it sounds to me
like you're talking about situational football day, Like Jalen Hursts
is going to have to be perfect when it comes
to situational for p.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (25:12):
Like, so you know, we all know the cliches that
the game comes down to inches and does a guy
make plays? Does guy not make plays? But when Jalen
Hurds gets there to the line of scrimmage and he's
in a bad play, what does he do? Can you
get everybody on the same page and say two words
at the line of scrimmage now to go expose the defense.
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I think when you are an aggressive defense, you live
by the sword, you die by the sword. I could
see Casey doing exactly what Dave said. Hey, let's load
up the box and not allow Saquan to hurt us.
Let's force Jalen Hurts to find success in order for
this offense to get going. So when you do that,
if it's first down, do you force a thrower? Do
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you say, hey, you know what, let's burn this one.
If the type, if the coverage is too tight, that's
where it has to be the difference. That's where Jaellen
Hurts has to be perfect. I don't think it's a
situation where it's Hey, Jailen, we're gonna win because of you.
It's got to be hey, we're gonna win because of Saquon.
But in moments now, and there's the start of a game,
how do we get a defense to back off? How
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do we get a little bit more breathe and room
for our offense to operate. Jalen's going to have to
be special and be the outlier to allow that to happen.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
And if you dug that, you know, I.
Speaker 3 (26:29):
Think the Eagles take care of business, and they're able
to take care of business. But at some point in
that football game, you got to go into it with
the mindset of, hey, this is our our series right
now where we're gonna bleed the clock. We're gonna we're
getting into bleed mode. And doesn't necessarily have to happen
in the fourth quarter when we're in four minute in
your up or anything like that. No, it could be
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the second quarter. But we're going to allow this offensive
line to insert their dominance. We're gonna get guys in
six hundred against three hundred. We're gonna, you know, find
Chris Jones and run right at him, run duo right
at him. Allow those guys to get physical with them
because you can't just sit back.
Speaker 4 (27:09):
There on your heels when you're playing against case.
Speaker 3 (27:11):
You've never been able to do it with Patrick Mahomes
on offense, and this year, the way that Steve Spagnola's
calling that defense, you can't do it offensively. So you've
got to constantly find ways to put pressure on this team.
And I think it's all gas, no breaks. But can
we get some screens?
Speaker 4 (27:28):
You know?
Speaker 3 (27:29):
That is what I'm waiting to also see Philadelphia do,
and I think that this game would be perfect for it.
Speaker 4 (27:35):
You know, how do we get that, you know, that slow.
Speaker 3 (27:38):
Developing screen out and could get Saquon leaking into the
middle of the field and dump into them.
Speaker 4 (27:44):
Because if you.
Speaker 3 (27:44):
Get past that, that first line of defense you talked
about it the touchdowns that he's scored and how many
how they've been over twenty plus yards. It could be
that type of game, but can Jalen Hurts make it
that type of game with his recognition at the line
of scrimmage.
Speaker 5 (27:59):
Can't can't take bad place, you can't take sacks, Throw
the ball away second and ten. You know, then you're
you at least have a chance if you get behind
the sticks against them. They're passing offense to the Eagles.
Is not set up to be a team even on
third and you know, if if Mahomes gets into a
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third and ten, if you're room for the Eagles, you're
still holding on You're like, oh god.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
Oh my god, I can't walk.
Speaker 5 (28:29):
If Wiles get in third and ten, they're in trouble,
they're in trouble. So they they have to be really
good on first and second down, and yet they have
to take some chances because the box I think will
be heavy on first and side.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
I thought it was interesting that Sean said in his
interview with kay Adam because she asked him, like what
he thinks about the game, and he talked about the
kicking game. He said, people don't talk about it, but
it's a big factor well, you know, special teams is
gonna matter in this game.
Speaker 5 (28:54):
But he also said did he lean either way because
I would lean Kansas City.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
He did lean Kansas City on that is Dave Tobe. Okay,
but he said that he thinks it's going to be
a low scoring game.
Speaker 1 (29:05):
I agree.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
I like the under, yeah so, and I think the
over under forty eight and a half right.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
Now, okay, so let's come down in a little bit.
So that for me favors the Chiefs.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
If it's a lower scoring game, even though you're getting
You're thinking the Eagles be able to run the ball
about it maybe be good for them. It feels like
the way the Chiefs are winning this season, specifically, a
lower scoring game would be better for them.
Speaker 5 (29:29):
The best part of the Chiefs to me is the
defense and Pat Mahomes the defense is the strongest part
of the kan say this is the best defense I
think that Patrick Mahomes has played with in his entire career.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
Leading into a Super Bowl, yeah, no doubt.
Speaker 3 (29:48):
And if it's a low scoring game, the problem with
that and I said that problem because obviously I'm rooting
for the team not named Kansas City Chiefs, right, So
the problem with that is Patrick Mahomes is so perfect
in what is needed on that last drive. We've seen
it so often in his career. It's every single time,
whether it's he's gonna okay, this is the time where
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I got to throw it over the middle, this is
the time where I got to use the sidelines, this
is the time when I got to use my legs.
Like He's so good at those situational moments. Where Casey
has been great this year not because of Patrick Mahomes
and the offensive firepower that we've been accustomed to seeing
over the last couple of years. The defense is held
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up and now you have a guy that operates and
has been a field general better than a lot of
people have been in their whole entire career. So you
have that, you have a chance. I hope it's not
so low scoring. Tho.
Speaker 4 (30:42):
They've been so good this year.
Speaker 3 (30:45):
So hopefully Philadelphia could get some things going and run
this thing through Saquan Man.
Speaker 2 (30:50):
We'll see Benjamin Albright Brock's country and I come up
at the top of the our hyghbend.
Speaker 1 (30:54):
How's we go?
Speaker 2 (30:56):
H So, yeah, we were just sort of talking about
the game. Dave is leaning Eagles plus one just because
of the number today, right now, in this very moment,
Ben Kansas City, all of it, just all in.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
All in, just push it all.
Speaker 3 (31:11):
In because you've been burned too many times in the past,
or like you just love that or put it out.
Speaker 9 (31:18):
That's genuinely what I bet. I already bet it. So Yeah,
I took Kansas City minus one or one and a half.
I guess it was so I didn't get I paid
an extra half point relative toy.
Speaker 5 (31:27):
Line is now I remind myself of what I said,
you can go broke bed against Patrick j Yeah, you know,
and you sit there in the fourth quarter, like I said,
and the Chiefs and it's going to be Dan.
Speaker 4 (31:40):
See.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
I knew it. I just knew it, and I talked
myself out of it.
Speaker 3 (31:44):
I'm sure there's been some people this year that, especially
this year, yeah, betting against Kansas City. I'm just thinking
that they're supposed to have it down here.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
It's it's a tough deal.
Speaker 2 (31:54):
I love the point you made, By the way, the
fourth quarter is a great analogy.
Speaker 1 (31:57):
If the Chiefs are up by ten fourth quarter.
Speaker 5 (32:01):
Five minutes to go, you know, it's not an ideal
position to be in. But you still feel like, you
know what I got fifteen? They can score ten points here.
If the Eagles are down ten with five minutes to
go and you bet the Eagles, you're your your stomach.
Speaker 1 (32:17):
That's exactly what it feels like. It says about why
is the number going? Ben and I just looked at
these numbers.
Speaker 5 (32:25):
Everything we've said here makes sense to me in terms
of Kansas City. So why is the number gone from
two and a half to two to one and a
half to one.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
It's not like those people are idiots. I don't have
an explanation for. We just looked at the percentages too,
and it's it's heavily tilted that.
Speaker 5 (32:41):
Direct lots of people betting the Eagles. I mean, it's
how do.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
You explain it?
Speaker 9 (32:49):
I don't even know if it's a collective fatigue or
if people genuinely believe that that the Eagles are going
to put it to Kansas City.
Speaker 1 (32:56):
And I mean it's it's possible they genuinely believe that.
Speaker 3 (33:00):
I believe that they will leaves about Saquon Bark Here's
what I if you bet the Eagles, here's here's why.
Speaker 5 (33:08):
I mean, here's how I think you can You could
rationalize with that real quickly. If you look at the
last two Super Bowls, that the that the Chiefs have won,
if you bet the forty nine ers, I think people
could make the overtime game, could make the case easily
that San Francisco had every opportunity to win that game.
Speaker 1 (33:28):
They did right twice, Yes, twice.
Speaker 5 (33:32):
So that I mean, if there's one thing and then
I'm done on the super Bowl. If you look at
Patrick Gohome, so I think again, I've said he's probably
gonna go down as the best I've ever seen. But
in the Super Bowl, in Super Bowl play, he's had
eight touchdown passes and five picks.
Speaker 1 (33:50):
I have no idea why, but those are his numbers.
Is passer taking to win a night? I think so?
The better seem to think. So I had to. I
had to take it on Nick Benito mid season. I
was kind of like, I'm gonna I'm gonna use your phrase,
tear it up. Yeah, that was a good season. I
was like, I'm gonna pull us off. I'm gonna pull
us off. And then he looked like he was the
hot candidate. What's coming on VCT.
Speaker 9 (34:12):
We've got a big show to night, Ryan Michaels has
one year anniversary on the show, so he's got.
Speaker 1 (34:16):
Some some fun stuff for us, and uh, looking.
Speaker 9 (34:18):
Forward, we got a short show tonight because we get
the bust prime time cout oft eight o'clock.
Speaker 1 (34:21):
And you got Rick Lewis as well as I understand.
Speaker 2 (34:22):
All right, Rick's gonna joins to the show tomorrow, Orlando.
Speaker 1 (34:24):
This is a lot of fun as always. Man, Thank
you man, thanks for having me. Appreciate it, though appreciate it, Grant,
great job, BCT.
Speaker 3 (34:30):
Next
Tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (00:00):
Rick Lewis will be in with us on a football
Friday as we get ready for the Super Bowl. Looking
forward to that Broncos country tonight. Coming up here at
the top of the hour. In the meantime, if you
want to interact with the program five six six nine zero.
A lot of people chiming in on our conversation about
NFL Honors that's coming up tonight. I believe this is
seven o'clock is when you can watch it on Fox.
But yeah, a lot of people chiming in with their
different thoughts. I think some people said, why are we
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not talking a little more sincerely about Sakuon Barkley is
the MVP?
Speaker 1 (00:27):
You know?
Speaker 2 (00:27):
Once again, I think there's a little bit of the
this is what we think is going to happen versus
maybe what we want to happen. Right, we all want
bo Nicks to win Offensive Rookie of the Year. I
think there's just an argument for that. What we think
is going to happen is Jayden Daniels, Right, Taquon Barkley.
I'd love to see Saquon Barkley win MVP, and honestly,
if the Eagles would have let him run in that
last game and he broke the rushing record, I think
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the argument would be extremely strong, despite how great Lamar
Jackson and Josh Allen played, and despite the fact that
he usually goes to a quarterback.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
I think there would have been a really good argument
for him.
Speaker 3 (00:59):
Yeah, would have had to have broken the record. The
problem is that we fall into the stereotype, right, or
we fall into what we've seen in the past. This
award usually goes to a quarterback. Unfortunately, I'm not saying
that minimizes what Saquon Barkley did at all, because dude
was sensation all this past year. And if he got
the nod tonight for MVP, I'd say, a great job,
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heck of a job.
Speaker 4 (01:23):
Right, and you earned it. And you know, the next.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
Set of guys that are growing up looking up the
Saquon that's the number, right, You're trying to surpass that,
and how do I get the two thousand yards to
be the MVP. But just history says that the quarterback's
favored in that category, I.
Speaker 5 (01:39):
Would say I would add to what Orlando said. I mean,
living here in Denver and calling Broncos games, I'm gonna
pull for the Broncos. So I'm hoping Patser Tan is
going to win the Defensive Player of the Year. I
think he will. I'm hoping the bow Nicks wins the
Offensive Player of the Year.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
I don't.
Speaker 5 (01:56):
I don't. I think he'll finish second, but I hope
he wins. Other than that, I really don't care. Everybody
else's had great seasons. You can make a case for
Lamar Jackson, you can make a case for Josh Allen,
for Saquon Barkley. There's not anybody up there that is
on the list on any particular award that hasn't had
a great season. All the coaching of the Year candidates
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did a great job this year. That's why They're's why
they're mentioned. So I don't have a dog in the
fight at all, unless it's sort of pulling for the
hometown guys. So Saquon is deserving, no doubt about that.
But I just don't think he'll win.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
This was a cool thing that Paul Himbo from ESPN
put out yesterday about Saquon Barkley. He's the fifty fourth
player to score twenty touchdowns from scrimmage in a season,
including the playoffs. Of the fifty four, though he's the
only one who's average score exceeded thirty yards per score
thirty two point five nineteen eighty four, Mark Clayton with
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twenty nine nineteen eighty nine, Jerry Rice with twenty eight
point seven, Gail Series with twenty seven point four in
nineteen sixty five, and Saques it's the top of that list.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
Does the shocks that total touchdowns? It is a twenty
touchdowns from scrimmage? So yes, so is it from scrimmage?
Speaker 5 (03:13):
Yeah, staras did Dad because Stairs was a return guy too.
What year is that? Sixty five? Sixty five? Okay? Gil
Stairs was one of my favorite kids growing up. A
favorite player is growing up as a kid. I want
to say in sixty five he had multiple touchdowns as
a return guy.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
But you're saying those do not factor in that total, doesn't,
I mean from scrimmage? So I'm going so.
Speaker 5 (03:37):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, Well, I mean Saque's a home run here.
Kansas City's been working on this. You know for two weeks.
Steve Spagnola is getting about two hours sleep a night,
and he's he's got number twenty six. You know, when
he and his wife play bingo in that hour time
they have on a Friday night before the Super Bowl.
Nobody's going to holler at twenty six and then holler bingo.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
Doesn't surprise.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
Yeah, but it doesn't surprise me at all because you
look at that Philadelphia Eagles offense and what it takes
to run the football in the National Football League and
having an athletic quarterback like Jaalen Hurts with his playfakes
and carrying out the fake, and and then you got
aj Brown that will go on the front side, and
they got the safety or push crack and steal off
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linebackers at the second level gets through that first line
of defense and good luck secondary. What I would I
would love to see what defensive back we think in
the National Football League and you can say, hey, you're
gonna get Saquon. This is exactly how this thing is
going to block it out. And you got to come
downhill and fill in that D gap. You got to
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come and you got to make that tackle one on one.
How many do you think you get out of five
on maybe one? The way that young man runs, So
you know, if you the Eagles offensive coordinator, you're trying
to get him the ball and get That's how you're
designing it. How do you get him on a safety?
And if you could get him through the safety, that's
why that number is so huge of thirty yards plus
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because now it's off to the races.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
Bananas.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
I wanted to come back to some of the sound
yesterday with kay Adams of Sean Payton, and it was
funny because at the very beginning of the interview, you know,
there's sort of chit chatting, and then she brings up
something that I had kind of forgotten about from last year.
Do you remember when Gorse she interviewed him last year
on Radio Row and she asked him about falling in
love with the quarterback, like you want to fall in
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love with the quarterback? And that was kind of the
big discussion and we talked about it quite a bit
on the show. Okay, well, who would that be If
you're falling in love with the quarterback you're picking twelfth.
I mean, there's going to be you know, you can't
fall in love with Jadan Daniels a twelve because he's
not going to be there or Kayleb Williams, right, So
it's got to be somebody else. So she asked him
about that process, like, hey, we're a year later, and
you fell in love with bo Nix.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
And here's what he said, I.
Speaker 6 (05:55):
Would say in a great spot, and it's a credit
to It's credit to him.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
Here's one of the biggest challenges in our.
Speaker 7 (06:04):
Business is the the the narrative maybe of the scouting
bus that's already begun, mock drafts and all of that,
and so.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
All of the things that you read or we read
and heard.
Speaker 6 (06:21):
About this player, so many of them were inaccurate. He's
wasn't going to be trade taken till this point.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
He only throws the underneath ball.
Speaker 6 (06:32):
I think he finished third in the NFL with twenty
plus yard completions. He's extremely athletic, he's six to two.
So you have to have enough conviction to tune out
the noise. And that was easier to do twenty years ago.
But as soon as this Internet came and in a
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good way, in an entertaining way, along came with it
man a lot of white no and so we felt
real strong.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
After his workout.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
I thought that was I mean again, he's talking about
the Remember last year you start with the train, kept saying,
everybody gets on the train and they think they know
what we're supposed to do and we got to kind
of block all that out.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
Of how he's blaming the internet, that's outstanding.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
But yeah, I mean that's the thing like there was,
and I include myself in this, there were a lot
of people that didn't think Boenix was going the first
round and you had to block that out, and he
was right.
Speaker 5 (07:30):
I think I think he was just being completely forthright
in that comment with Kay Adams. With respect to I
think it's a lot tougher now than it was twenty
twenty five years ago because you have a preponderance of people.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
Talk show hosts, podcast crafts.
Speaker 5 (07:51):
I mean, how many how many people actually do mock
drafts nowadays, and you know, you know why they do
that because there is an appetite for that, because that's
how big the NFL is. So yeah, I think Sean's
right in that regard. And I think again we've talked
about it a lot. I mean, I think they fell
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in love with Boneck, especially after the workout.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
After they submitted to him.
Speaker 5 (08:16):
At five pm one afternoon and the next meeting was
scheduled at nine am the next morning. They intentionally submitted
more information than they thought he would be able to
process just to see how far he could get to it,
and he pleasantly surprised him.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
Because he got to all of it.
Speaker 5 (08:35):
So for a guy like Peyton, who is about as
much of the processing and the cerebral part of playing
the position as he is about the physical part of it,
that's like, you know, an elixir. That's like saying, wait,
what you can do all that and you can throw
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it and you're better athletes. I mean, so that I mean,
it was pretty easy I think for Sean to fall
in love with BONI.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
Yeah, these coaches get so creative with how they approach
you and get you ready. Like when I was coming
out in twenty eleven, the Cleveland Browns came down to
Miami to work me out, and I sat there in
a room and we talked football. Right, we were just
talking football and my past year at the University of Miami.
We're watching my film and then coach warmat the offensive
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line coach then started talking about Cleveland stuff, and then
we went back to my stuff at the University. UM
then we went outside and did a workout. Then he
brought me back up on the board and then we
started talking about Cleveland stuff and how much of that
information that I could retain and remember and then hey,
draw this play up that I already taught you and
installed to you.
Speaker 8 (09:45):
Right.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
So there's different ways to get a good beat on guys.
But there's so many different guys out here right now
that create a false narrative. One of the big narratives
around bow Nicks was about the deep ball that he
doesn't throw it. Well, if you go back and watch
Oregon's offense, right, they got one guy going deep and
you got a bunch.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
Of underneath roads.
Speaker 4 (10:03):
Well, if the guy is.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
Double teamed or he has safety over the top, you
should not throw that. If they're the quarterback, you probably
should throw the ball underneath. So it's a lot of
it's just sipping through that you know what in this
world and really getting your own opinion. And I think
Sean Payton does that better than anybody, right, And trust
your process, trust your opinion. There's a reason like doing
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this job sitting here in radio, I like to watch
football games on mute to create my own opinion of
a guy. That's just how I do think. So a
lot can be learned. But the thing that you know
about bo Nicks is that he's a competitor. You could
have seen that on film. You could see on film
that he was a little bit more athletic, and we
benefited because of all the other things that we did
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not know about. But Sean Payton found out behind closed doors,
and as you should when you're getting ready to make
somebody facing your organization.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
By the way, Dave, he did retell that story about
the giving them the five PM, give him all the
information COMEGA nine. He retold the story about the backpack
and how they emptied out the backpack, and it was
all football stuff.
Speaker 4 (11:06):
I mean, he talked.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
It was like a twenty minute interview. He's probably been
six of it just on Bononix. Here are some other stuff.
I thought this was actually pretty good.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
He talked about his arm strength here, which is again
called in the question in the pre draft process.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
Well, his arm.
Speaker 6 (11:20):
Strength was fantastic. He was the most accurate passer in
the history of college football. He's got he's got like
size eleven hands, so he's never fumbled at orion and
never fumbled knock on wood for us. He doesn't take sacks.
I think he finished fifty guys that take sacks, or
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a lot of them. It's hard to overcut. That's like
a penalty loss of down. And players that take sacks
in college generally take him.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
In the NFL.
Speaker 6 (11:50):
When we started looking at his like negative play differential,
it was first in the class.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
He was first in the class. Third down.
Speaker 6 (11:56):
We took out all the short throws first in the class,
and the two men first, and there were all these
things pointing to.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
This guy's going to be real successful. Tell you what,
Like I said, it went on and on and on.
Speaker 5 (12:11):
So again, everything Sean said was true. And I think
part of what Sean likes about this it might be
down the list of things that he likes about this situation.
He's found himself a franchise quarterback. He's smart as hell.
He doesn't have to worry about all of his terminology
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being too much for bo because Boe can process that.
He can give him anything he can throw at mid range.
He's got enough arm strength. Thus the Cincinnati game is
an example. Through the ball in the air sixty eight yards.
And also on that list, everything that I just said
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makes Sean right, and people, no matter what us him,
everybody we'd like to be right.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
And you know what, there were a lot of.
Speaker 5 (13:05):
People that gave Sean Payton and the Broncos kind of
a lower grade.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
You know, C minus or yeah. Bo Nicks is not
ever going to be a mess.
Speaker 5 (13:15):
That guy, right, And so I think Sean got to
the playoffs, has good team success, you know, have a
chance to get better next year. But also he can
look at all of those people and say, I tried
to tell you this. Am I right? Or am I wrong?
Bo takes a snap, playfakes, rolls to his right. Bo
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looks downfield, throws a deep ball downfield. He's got Mims.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
Bed Fax a catch cuts up Denver.
Speaker 8 (13:46):
What a fro by bo Knicks fifty one yards. Marvin
Mims beat the two safeties Jordan Battle and Geno Stone.
Nicks threw it from about the forty Mims caught it
eight yards deep in the end zone. That ball was
in the air sixty eight yards.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
Was an unbelievable throw. He let that go. I'm like wow,
I thought, would he let it goes? No way? The
ball is gonna get there, and it just kept going.
Speaker 3 (14:17):
The arm strength is there, the arm talent's there. What
we all never accounted for was that from the neck up.
But Sean Payton did right, And I think that that's
what's so important, because there you could have took a
different approach when you leave college to playbook one hundred pages.
When you play in a college football game, you might
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see four blitzes the whole entire game. When you get
to the National Football League, you'll see four different blitzeres
on four different plays.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
Right.
Speaker 3 (14:45):
So, and that playbook there's now five hundred pages. So
the fact that Sean Payton threw everything at him and
he knew that he could throw it at him early
on into the process. In the offseason, I think that
that's when Sean Peyton realized that man, okay, we have
somebody here.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
He's retaining this information.
Speaker 3 (15:04):
My first rookie year in the league, I didn't have
an off season. Chris Cooper told me what to do
week twelve, like in the regular season, was we were
breaking the huddle, he'd.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
Say, hey, oh, you got this.
Speaker 3 (15:16):
He'd look back at Tea Bow tell them if we
were good or not, and had to know his assignment
as well. And then after that he got pissed off
at me. He is like, I'm not babysitting you know, Marian.
You know I'm taking the training wheels off you got
to figure it out on your own. But I was
week thirteen right. And now you look at a guy
like bow Nicks in a playbook that has so much
words that everything means something where guys are going to struggle,
(15:38):
and Bo has to get those guys in the right page.
Sean Payton to hit it out the park with his
scouting and really identifying bow Knicks's strengths and I don't
even know what exactly the weaknesses are after one year
in the NFFLO.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
But you know, you brought up a point Dave about
about being right, and I think it's a valuable one
because he had to be right about not just Bo Nicks,
but they about the plan to move on from Russ
Like that had to be right too, absolutely because if
they tank this year, like whether bon Nicks hits or not,
but if you just if you go out there and
you're what all these punnets said and you're a five
win team and it looks like a disaster and Sean
(16:14):
looks like he's lost his touch. There's a lot of
legacy online and we use that word a lot, Like
on Draft night, we said this is a legacy pick.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
This is Sean Payton, saying this is the direction we're going.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
We're going boldly into the future, and I'm taking my
very first first round quarterback. But he had to be
right about that, he had to be right about the
decision to move on from Russell Wilson, and honestly, for
Sean Payton, I think he ended up being right about both.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
I do too.
Speaker 5 (16:35):
And I think it's human nature to in really competitive
situations to remind people, especially people that da did you
or were very verbal or basically said you don't know
what you're doing, or what's this guy doing? Or he
hadn't been a you know, yeah, okay, he had Drew
(16:56):
Brees New Orleans. What's he done without Drew Brees? And
so copetitive people in the league is full of and
whether players are coaches, competitive people carry little I've said
this before, little chips on their shoulders.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
That word again, the little little little chips.
Speaker 5 (17:12):
And if it's not a legitimate chip, they make they
make it up. They make up a little little chip.
And it's this on their shoulder. And you can talk
yourself into over a nice steak and a glass of cabernet,
you can talk yourself into you know what this guy
or that guy never believed in me. They never thought
(17:35):
I could do it, and I'm fixing. I'm fixing the show.
And then once you do it, then it's like, now,
now what you gonna say about that?
Speaker 1 (17:45):
Everybody has a little bit of that.
Speaker 5 (17:47):
You try to, you know, you try to keep it
below the surface because you don't want to be an
arrogant heord. But everybody has that, so Sean has Sean
has the right to crow about it.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
And I mean, he's got his quarterback.
Speaker 5 (18:02):
I'm listen, it's February now and vacation time coming up.
But I'm excited about getting this thing going next year.
And really it's too early to be excited about it,
no doubt.
Speaker 3 (18:14):
But it would also would have been an easy thing
to bring back Russ right. Would have been easy to
not take a quarterback. It would have been easy to
make those decisions. Now you got that coach that has
that little chip on the shoulder, that wants to do
the hard things right.
Speaker 5 (18:30):
And I think the top of his head figuratively speaking,
maybe little literally, the top of Sean's head might have
blown off like a cookie jar when you're looking for
fig newtons.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
I mean, how many times does he talk about the sacks. Oh,
it just he brings it up at every single time.
I mean even in that statement right there right he
was talking about how he's basically a penalty of loss
of down.
Speaker 1 (18:51):
Yeah, he's like, that's how I do.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
And you know what he's kind of right, especially when
you're an offense that is is maybe struggling to find
their way or yards and position of the change is
so important.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
How many times during that last season.
Speaker 5 (19:04):
From an offensive coaches standpoint a creator and Sean Payton
is that uh, And he's been really good. He's been
an elite play creator and caller I think for most,
if not all, of his career. When you have that
guy and you hire him for a lot of money
in his second opportunity as a head coach, and whether
whether fair or not fair, he feels like I can
(19:29):
come up with all of this stuff and then we
don't execute it.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
May I give you?
Speaker 5 (19:34):
I give you basically the answers to the test and
we're on a you know, we're on a different test.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
So I think I think that first year for.
Speaker 5 (19:45):
Sean Payton drove him almost insane, like him, not like him, agree, whatever,
But I think just that interaction drove him almost out
of his mind.
Speaker 3 (19:57):
Now when you're the creator that offensive minded guy, and
now you have a guy that will take a ton
of sacks. That whole entire play sheet that you got there,
you know, yeah, just you got the whole sheet. Now, oh,
we just took a sack. I could only look at
like a sixteenth of that sheet, like this is all
my opportunities. I got like five plays that I could
(20:18):
run right here because of just what happened. So to
identify a guy like like bo and for him to
you know, you got.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
To put credit on both too, and.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
Just his competitive nature and not wanting to take sacks
and how he handled hisself as well.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
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We'll be right back on Ka, Dave, you're gonna be
off tomorrow. I wanted to get your thoughts on the
big game. We got the Chiefs, she got the Eagles.
Now I did see somewhere and I think this is
right that Kansas City now only favored by one yep,
(20:57):
not one and a half.
Speaker 1 (20:59):
But again, one doesn't necessarily I.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
Mean, it's more or less to pick up which in
a lot of ways. And you guys talked about this
very early in the process. I think last week the
numbers weird. The numbers a little weird. It feels like
they want you to bound the Eagles a little bit there.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
See. I think it's weird. But I look at it
the other way.
Speaker 5 (21:15):
Okay, I would have and I said earlier this week,
you know, I would have made the Chiefs about a
three point favorite because I just think, you know, the
Eagles can be ahead. And you know, if Kansas City
is down ten points with five and a half to go,
(21:36):
they're still, in my book, very much in the game.
If the Eagles are down ten points with five and
a half to go, I think they have problems, real problems.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
Now.
Speaker 5 (21:46):
That said that, numbers come down, and from from my perspective,
just looking strictly at the number, everything that I see
with my eyes tells me I'm not betting against Patrick
Mahomes period. I've just seen it too many times. But
the number, and I'm a numbers I love numbers. The number,
(22:08):
the number coming down gives me reason for pause. With
respect to of sort of how I analyze the game.
So I think this, I think it's going to be
a hell of a game. The game, to me, is
gonna come down to one thing for both teams. I
think for the Eagles the game comes down to Jalen Hurts.
(22:28):
I think early in this game is going to be
difficult for the Eagles to get the running game going.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
I think the.
Speaker 5 (22:34):
Chiefs are going to basically dare Jalen Hurts to throw
the ball on first down, and I mean, I think
it's gonna be an eight man box. Both those corners
are going to be on top of a J. Brown
and DeVante Smith. I think I think Goddard could be
a big, big weapon at tight end, but Jalen Hurts
is going to have to be accurate with the ball.
(22:55):
He's gonna have to make some plays with his legs,
and he's the I think for Hertz is he's got
to not hold the ball and take sex.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
They are dead in the water.
Speaker 5 (23:09):
If on first down you have a sack for twelve yards,
they're not constructed. That offense is not constructed to overcome
a second and twenty two. Very few are the Chiefs
would have a chance again because a fifteen playing quarterback
and the play calling of Andy Reid.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
So I think it's going to be tough early to
run it.
Speaker 5 (23:28):
I think Saquon from the chief standpoint, I think the
danger for them defensively is not to be uber aggressive
with that running game. Even though that's Steve Spagnolo's kind
of mo. He loves to pressure, He pressures as the
game goes on.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
He loves to pressure late. But if the danger of
that is.
Speaker 5 (23:51):
You pressure and missing a tackle, even on an unblocked defender,
then Saquan's out the gate. So part of me thinks
from a defensive you know game plan. Early in that game,
you see the Chiefs and their four man front. You
see them playing two safety, high safety, creeping down a
little bit late, and you know, just playing the run game.
(24:12):
Let's see how we do against this Eagles run game.
If the Eagles start to run the ball, you'll see
Spagnola in an eight man front, and.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
I think it'll be tough sledding.
Speaker 5 (24:20):
That said, in a long winded answer to your question,
I would lean Philadelphia plus one only because the number
doesn't make sense to me.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
It just doesn't make sense.
Speaker 5 (24:33):
It feels like they're begging me to bet Kansas City.
To me, the number should be three, and the number
started at two and a half, went to two, went
to one and a half, and now it is one.
That's that's diicy to me, raises a red flag. And
so my thought is you take the Eagles plus one
(24:57):
in the game.
Speaker 3 (25:00):
But I'll tell you this, so it sounds to me
like you're talking about situational football day, Like Jalen Hursts
is going to have to be perfect when it comes
to situational for p.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (25:12):
Like, so you know, we all know the cliches that
the game comes down to inches and does a guy
make plays? Does guy not make plays? But when Jalen
Hurds gets there to the line of scrimmage and he's
in a bad play, what does he do? Can you
get everybody on the same page and say two words
at the line of scrimmage now to go expose the defense.
(25:34):
I think when you are an aggressive defense, you live
by the sword, you die by the sword. I could
see Casey doing exactly what Dave said. Hey, let's load
up the box and not allow Saquan to hurt us.
Let's force Jalen Hurts to find success in order for
this offense to get going. So when you do that,
if it's first down, do you force a thrower? Do
(25:56):
you say, hey, you know what, let's burn this one.
If the type, if the coverage is too tight, that's
where it has to be the difference. That's where Jaellen
Hurts has to be perfect. I don't think it's a
situation where it's Hey, Jailen, we're gonna win because of you.
It's got to be hey, we're gonna win because of Saquon.
But in moments now, and there's the start of a game,
how do we get a defense to back off? How
(26:17):
do we get a little bit more breathe and room
for our offense to operate. Jalen's going to have to
be special and be the outlier to allow that to happen.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
And if you dug that, you know, I.
Speaker 3 (26:29):
Think the Eagles take care of business, and they're able
to take care of business. But at some point in
that football game, you got to go into it with
the mindset of, hey, this is our our series right
now where we're gonna bleed the clock. We're gonna we're
getting into bleed mode. And doesn't necessarily have to happen
in the fourth quarter when we're in four minute in
your up or anything like that. No, it could be
(26:51):
the second quarter. But we're going to allow this offensive
line to insert their dominance. We're gonna get guys in
six hundred against three hundred. We're gonna, you know, find
Chris Jones and run right at him, run duo right
at him. Allow those guys to get physical with them
because you can't just sit back.
Speaker 4 (27:09):
There on your heels when you're playing against case.
Speaker 3 (27:11):
You've never been able to do it with Patrick Mahomes
on offense, and this year, the way that Steve Spagnola's
calling that defense, you can't do it offensively. So you've
got to constantly find ways to put pressure on this team.
And I think it's all gas, no breaks. But can
we get some screens?
Speaker 4 (27:28):
You know?
Speaker 3 (27:29):
That is what I'm waiting to also see Philadelphia do,
and I think that this game would be perfect for it.
Speaker 4 (27:35):
You know, how do we get that, you know, that slow.
Speaker 3 (27:38):
Developing screen out and could get Saquon leaking into the
middle of the field and dump into them.
Speaker 4 (27:44):
Because if you.
Speaker 3 (27:44):
Get past that, that first line of defense you talked
about it the touchdowns that he's scored and how many
how they've been over twenty plus yards. It could be
that type of game, but can Jalen Hurts make it
that type of game with his recognition at the line
of scrimmage.
Speaker 5 (27:59):
Can't can't take bad place, you can't take sacks, Throw
the ball away second and ten. You know, then you're
you at least have a chance if you get behind
the sticks against them. They're passing offense to the Eagles.
Is not set up to be a team even on
third and you know, if if Mahomes gets into a
(28:20):
third and ten, if you're room for the Eagles, you're
still holding on You're like, oh god.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
Oh my god, I can't walk.
Speaker 5 (28:29):
If Wiles get in third and ten, they're in trouble,
they're in trouble. So they they have to be really
good on first and second down, and yet they have
to take some chances because the box I think will
be heavy on first and side.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
I thought it was interesting that Sean said in his
interview with kay Adam because she asked him, like what
he thinks about the game, and he talked about the
kicking game. He said, people don't talk about it, but
it's a big factor well, you know, special teams is
gonna matter in this game.
Speaker 5 (28:54):
But he also said did he lean either way because
I would lean Kansas City.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
He did lean Kansas City on that is Dave Tobe. Okay,
but he said that he thinks it's going to be
a low scoring game.
Speaker 1 (29:05):
I agree.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
I like the under, yeah so, and I think the
over under forty eight and a half right.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
Now, okay, so let's come down in a little bit.
So that for me favors the Chiefs.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
If it's a lower scoring game, even though you're getting
You're thinking the Eagles be able to run the ball
about it maybe be good for them. It feels like
the way the Chiefs are winning this season, specifically, a
lower scoring game would be better for them.
Speaker 5 (29:29):
The best part of the Chiefs to me is the
defense and Pat Mahomes the defense is the strongest part
of the kan say this is the best defense I
think that Patrick Mahomes has played with in his entire career.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
Leading into a Super Bowl, yeah, no doubt.
Speaker 3 (29:48):
And if it's a low scoring game, the problem with
that and I said that problem because obviously I'm rooting
for the team not named Kansas City Chiefs, right, So
the problem with that is Patrick Mahomes is so perfect
in what is needed on that last drive. We've seen
it so often in his career. It's every single time,
whether it's he's gonna okay, this is the time where
(30:10):
I got to throw it over the middle, this is
the time where I got to use the sidelines, this
is the time when I got to use my legs.
Like He's so good at those situational moments. Where Casey
has been great this year not because of Patrick Mahomes
and the offensive firepower that we've been accustomed to seeing
over the last couple of years. The defense is held
(30:30):
up and now you have a guy that operates and
has been a field general better than a lot of
people have been in their whole entire career. So you
have that, you have a chance. I hope it's not
so low scoring. Tho.
Speaker 4 (30:42):
They've been so good this year.
Speaker 3 (30:45):
So hopefully Philadelphia could get some things going and run
this thing through Saquan Man.
Speaker 2 (30:50):
We'll see Benjamin Albright Brock's country and I come up
at the top of the our hyghbend.
Speaker 1 (30:54):
How's we go?
Speaker 2 (30:56):
H So, yeah, we were just sort of talking about
the game. Dave is leaning Eagles plus one just because
of the number today, right now, in this very moment,
Ben Kansas City, all of it, just all in.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
All in, just push it all.
Speaker 3 (31:11):
In because you've been burned too many times in the past,
or like you just love that or put it out.
Speaker 9 (31:18):
That's genuinely what I bet. I already bet it. So Yeah,
I took Kansas City minus one or one and a half.
I guess it was so I didn't get I paid
an extra half point relative toy.
Speaker 5 (31:27):
Line is now I remind myself of what I said,
you can go broke bed against Patrick j Yeah, you know,
and you sit there in the fourth quarter, like I said,
and the Chiefs and it's going to be Dan.
Speaker 4 (31:40):
See.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
I knew it. I just knew it, and I talked
myself out of it.
Speaker 3 (31:44):
I'm sure there's been some people this year that, especially
this year, yeah, betting against Kansas City. I'm just thinking
that they're supposed to have it down here.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
It's it's a tough deal.
Speaker 2 (31:54):
I love the point you made, By the way, the
fourth quarter is a great analogy.
Speaker 1 (31:57):
If the Chiefs are up by ten fourth quarter.
Speaker 5 (32:01):
Five minutes to go, you know, it's not an ideal
position to be in. But you still feel like, you
know what I got fifteen? They can score ten points here.
If the Eagles are down ten with five minutes to
go and you bet the Eagles, you're your your stomach.
Speaker 1 (32:17):
That's exactly what it feels like. It says about why
is the number going? Ben and I just looked at
these numbers.
Speaker 5 (32:25):
Everything we've said here makes sense to me in terms
of Kansas City. So why is the number gone from
two and a half to two to one and a
half to one.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
It's not like those people are idiots. I don't have
an explanation for. We just looked at the percentages too,
and it's it's heavily tilted that.
Speaker 5 (32:41):
Direct lots of people betting the Eagles. I mean, it's
how do.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
You explain it?
Speaker 9 (32:49):
I don't even know if it's a collective fatigue or
if people genuinely believe that that the Eagles are going
to put it to Kansas City.
Speaker 1 (32:56):
And I mean it's it's possible they genuinely believe that.
Speaker 3 (33:00):
I believe that they will leaves about Saquon Bark Here's
what I if you bet the Eagles, here's here's why.
Speaker 5 (33:08):
I mean, here's how I think you can You could
rationalize with that real quickly. If you look at the
last two Super Bowls, that the that the Chiefs have won,
if you bet the forty nine ers, I think people
could make the overtime game, could make the case easily
that San Francisco had every opportunity to win that game.
Speaker 1 (33:28):
They did right twice, Yes, twice.
Speaker 5 (33:32):
So that I mean, if there's one thing and then
I'm done on the super Bowl. If you look at
Patrick Gohome, so I think again, I've said he's probably
gonna go down as the best I've ever seen. But
in the Super Bowl, in Super Bowl play, he's had
eight touchdown passes and five picks.
Speaker 1 (33:50):
I have no idea why, but those are his numbers.
Is passer taking to win a night? I think so?
The better seem to think. So I had to. I
had to take it on Nick Benito mid season. I
was kind of like, I'm gonna I'm gonna use your phrase,
tear it up. Yeah, that was a good season. I
was like, I'm gonna pull us off. I'm gonna pull
us off. And then he looked like he was the
hot candidate. What's coming on VCT.
Speaker 9 (34:12):
We've got a big show to night, Ryan Michaels has
one year anniversary on the show, so he's got.
Speaker 1 (34:16):
Some some fun stuff for us, and uh, looking.
Speaker 9 (34:18):
Forward, we got a short show tonight because we get
the bust prime time cout oft eight o'clock.
Speaker 1 (34:21):
And you got Rick Lewis as well as I understand.
Speaker 2 (34:22):
All right, Rick's gonna joins to the show tomorrow, Orlando.
Speaker 1 (34:24):
This is a lot of fun as always. Man, Thank
you man, thanks for having me. Appreciate it, though appreciate it, Grant,
great job, BCT.
Speaker 3 (34:30):
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