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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Rockies Baseball coming up here tonight cover shirts at seven
point thirty. The Rockies are still in Los Angeles. They're
gonna take on the Dodgers. We get to the Chris
Bryant stuff that brought broke yesterday. In just a little bit,
you guys have been texting all afternoon reacting to the well,
not only Dave Logan's rant, which again is tremendous and
you find on demand here in just a little bit
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at kwaclorado dot com, but also the news that Shador
Sanders as well as Travis Hunter's numbers are gonna be
retired at the spring game on Saturday.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
I wanted to read a few of those.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
Texts because there's some interesting questions and points that were
brought up here about an hour ago when we were
doing this.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
But I want to follow up first and a couple
of things here.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
We were just talking about it, and they're showing up
on ESPN the Giants holding a private workout for Shador Sanders,
sort of a last minute announced private workout. You said,
if John Mara, the owner of the Giants, decided to
go ahead and draft Shadoor Sanders, basically overriding the GM
and the coach isn't in a lot of ways a
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mistake that he's acknowledging simultaneously of even keeping those guys,
because we sat there from the very beginning. Hey, if
they're going to be drafting and adding in free agency
to keep their jobs, it's human nature, right. Well, if
the owner comes in and says, yeah, I know you
are Jameis Winston and you had Russell Wilson, but I
want I want a future at the quarterback position, well why.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
Are you keeping your coach in GM? Then why did
you even do this?
Speaker 3 (01:33):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (01:33):
I see your point, But here's I mean. First of all,
to be clear, NFL owners have the right to do
anything because they signed the checks so they can. And
some are more likely to get involved in things like
that and some are some are not as likely. I
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think the good news for Broncos fans in particular, your
ownership group now is a strong ownership group, and I
think has complete control of the organization. And yet they
also understand and acknowledge that you hire people, put them
in place, and let them work. Now, if those people
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don't ultimately do a good job, then it's you know,
you're the one that gets to decide whether they.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
Stay or not.
Speaker 4 (02:22):
But I don't think you'll see here in Denver. I
don't think you'll see Greg Pitter walk into the draft
room any given year and override Sean Payton and George
Payton exactly. I just don't see it happening. So therefore,
back to the Giants situation. So the Giants, I mean,
there was much speculation last year that the Giants, based
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on the kind of year they had, wouldn't keep the
GM nor the head coach. Brian Dave All the head coach,
and Joe Shane the GM. But the Marra family, I
think it's John Wellington was the dad. So I think
it's John Marra who owns the Giants. He uh, And
it wasn't too far after the season, made a statement, Hey,
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we're both are going to come back for the twenty
twenty five season.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
We're excited, la la la. With that move.
Speaker 4 (03:14):
For then, hypothetically, we don't know this is happening for
John Merra to override to supersede both the GM and
the head coach, and if they've made their decision not
to draft Shodoor Sanders and John Merhrack comes in and says, hey,
wait a minute, we are drafting Shadoor Sanders. Does he
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have the right to do that? He absolutely does. He
owns the team, he writes the checks. But if you're
going to do that and then the team falters, you
have the right to fire both those guys. But you
basically just cut the legs out of both those guys
you know in the draft. So why didn't you fire
him last year and bring your own guys in and
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then tell them, Hey, this is what I want to
do at the quarterback position.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
And to take that even further, is he going to
come that at some point in the season and say.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
Hey, I want you to play your door.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
Is he going to lean on the coaching staff and
the GM and say, you know what, I don't like
what I'm seeing from Russ I don't really care to
see Jamis push your door in again.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
They have every right to do so, every right to
do so.
Speaker 4 (04:19):
And if you're out of I mean I would say
this if you're out of playoff contention. So like I
don't know Week five for the Giants, No, I think
they'll be better this year. But if you're out of
playoff contention and you have four games left, they have
a right to say, hey, let's take a look at
the rookie quarterback. The only thing that owners sometimes don't
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really have a good sense of is what does this
do to the locker room? And coaches have a much
better feel for it. Gms, I think, also have a
better feel. But you got guys there, even at that point,
that are interested in playing good football. Maybe they've got
you know, maybe they've got clauses in their contract. Maybe
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maybe they're just really prideful. They want to You're playing
Dallas a couple of times last five weeks. You want
to beat the Cowboys, right, But if you make that
change a quarterback for seemingly no reason other than I
want to see how the young kid plays, you know,
there are times that it doesn't set very well or
sit very well in the locker room.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
That's exactly what I was thinking about, is for the
locker room.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
How it would feel if all of a sudden you're like, Okay, well,
I understand the owner's writing the checks, but we're supposed
to be following the directive of our coach, of our
you know, the g in the front office, all these
kinds of things.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
That's the plan here.
Speaker 4 (05:37):
I think it's one of the reasons that that Sean Payton,
whether you call him reluctant or reticent or I mean,
when bo Nix was drafted, we all thought like, okay,
he's drafted.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
Him to be the guy.
Speaker 4 (05:51):
But when he came to camp, everybody will check the
depth chart, and he was third third of the depth chart,
you know, and some.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
People made a big deal about that.
Speaker 4 (05:59):
But I think it was Peyton's way of letting the
locker room know that, hey, he's got to earn it
just like everybody else. Now, ultimately they made the decision,
but I think the locker room was able to see
bo Nicks in meetings, in practice, how he conducted himself,
and so Peyton got buy in from the veterroom players like, Okay,
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this young cat, we can see that, we can see
him being the Week one starter.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
A lot of reaction on the kay comspiritalt text line
five six six nine zero to our earlier conversation your rant,
especially this question came up a few times though, Dave.
When it comes to Shador Sanders having his number two retired,
should the athletic director overrule this.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
Decision too late?
Speaker 3 (06:50):
That's what it.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
Feels like to me, like even with the public outcry,
via the frustration from alumni, from just people in Denver,
SEU fans, all of it.
Speaker 4 (07:00):
It's too late. I mean, I think so. And again,
I mean, we talked about Rick George in the first hour.
I think Rick Rick would be the guy that that
could have stepped in and said, listen this, I disagree
with this.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
Here's why.
Speaker 4 (07:19):
But he's in a tough position because he wants to
keep his head coach happy and those who surround him happy.
And so and I think Rick will Rick's contract ends
in I believe June of twenty twenty six. And I
think from I mean, for most people I talk to,
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they feel like and he may have even said it publicly.
I don't know that that'll be it for him. So
do you really want to I mean, do you really
you know, you want to try to break that cult,
so to speak, over the last twelve months of your
ad career at the University of Colorado. I mean you
you hired him, you hired prime And you know what,
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He's done a great job in terms of making the
University of Colorado's football team relevant. Again, he really has,
and I have said that so many times on the air,
But it's okay. It's okay if you disagree with things
and you voice your opinion about him, especially if you
have a vested interest in that program, it's okay.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
That doesn't mean that that I can't get with the buffs.
Speaker 4 (08:28):
When they come out and open up against whoever they
open up with and root form, that doesn't mean that
at all.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
I just think they jumped the gun.
Speaker 4 (08:35):
I do think Travis Hunters jersey should be retired because
he won the friggin Heisman Trophy.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
Would you do it immediately like they're doing it.
Speaker 4 (08:41):
I have no problem with them doing it immediately. He
won the Heisman Trophy. It's been done one other time
in the history of the football program. I was not
on the same page with respect to shador Abony's jersey retired.
Speaker 3 (08:55):
I said it, and I stand by it.
Speaker 4 (08:58):
You know what I said it, and I think there
are players who are deserving of that kind of attention.
I listed them, starting with our former partner, Alfred Williams,
in no significant order of importance. Dion Figures War number two.
I think was the best quarterback to ever play at
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the university. Now that's a subjective opinion. Didn't lose a game,
in the Big Eight Conference, lost five games in two
years twenty seven to five and one, I believe, and
played in two National Championship games. Best option quarterback again
a subjective comment. Best option quarterback I ever saw, including
the great ones at Oklahoma and Nebraska. Cornel Stewart deserves
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mentioned with his fabulous career. Michael Westbrook was a generational
talent picked fourth overall in the draft.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
Daniel Graham the enemy, Yeah, eb so yeah.
Speaker 4 (09:55):
There have been other great players that, for whatever reason,
we never talk about retiring their jersey, Guys that played two, three,
four years. Most of the guys that I just mentioned,
most of those guys played all four years at the university.
I so, no, I do not think it was a
smart decision retiring Shuder's jersey, and I stand by that.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
Is there a possibility here?
Speaker 1 (10:21):
And again, I'm I'm just sort of trying to think
outside the box now that we're living in this world
where this situation exists and the vitrial, the frustration that
has come down of it. Is there a scenario where
there's a bit of a reframe, because I do think
that they do need to acknowledge and honor these former
buffs that there's got to be a way to do that,
and somebody text Ninja moment ago and saying bye. By
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inducting him or by retiring this number, they're cheapening the process.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
I think that's a little strong, But I say, i'd say,
is there a way to because there's only four people day,
there's there's four in Cus.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
Yeah, I think I think there.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
Would be should you open it up?
Speaker 4 (11:01):
Well, I mean I think because I mean, I've had
this conversation with former players over the years. This conversation
took place before Prime got here about the lack of
numbers retired and mel Tucker unretired three of the four
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that were retired, right, Yeah, he didn't make the call.
I mean, he made the call, that's what he wanted
to do, But others had to literally make the call,
like to Byron Wizardwhite's son. And I don't know, I mean,
how do you think that conversation started? Hey?
Speaker 3 (11:42):
Hey, you ben?
Speaker 2 (11:43):
Hey? Yeah, I hope you said how you doing first?
Speaker 4 (11:46):
You know, I mean he he he led the nation
in rushing. I believe he led the nation to scoring.
He was CU's first All American football player and oh,
by the way, he became a Supreme Court justice, and
I believe served on the bench for over thirty years.
I don't know, seems like a pretty worthy, you know,
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do to have these jersey retired? And then Mel Tucker
unretired it. And then I believe when Carl Durell took.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
Over, he retired again.
Speaker 4 (12:20):
Yes, and now I think it's been un re retired,
which is not even a word.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
So I don't know, man, I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (12:30):
Uh yeah, I think there are guys that are worthy
of having the numbers retired. I understand you only have
so many numbers. I understand that, but I think there
are guys and I think you set the bar so high.
It doesn't mean the shador hadn't been a great player,
because he has. He's got a lot of records up there.
I mean, he took an ass whooping for two years.
He's tough as anybody out there, right, Hope he has
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a great NFL career, But two year stint thirteen and twelve. Oh,
I'm not in favor of retiring his jersey in front
of a lot of guys that I just mentioned. No, sorry,
doesn't make me a hater, doesn't make me anything. Other
than somebody who voices his opinion on a radio show.
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Take it or don't take it?
Speaker 2 (13:17):
Well, no, I think that what you're saying is kind
of the pulse of it.
Speaker 3 (13:22):
I don't know, no, but.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
But I the only thing again I said it, the
FIRS shower. The only thing that I can think of
here for coach Prime besides sort of feeding ego.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
Let's take that out of it for just a second.
Is this a recruiting thing, right?
Speaker 1 (13:35):
I mean the fact that you threw this together at
the last second, that you announced it yesterday, and it's
gonna happen on Saturday, not even in a real game, right,
this is like, hey, homecoming weekend. Guess what, see you fans,
We're gonna do this really special event thing. We're gonna
have Travis in, We're gonna have We're gonna do it,
this whole thing that we're gonna We're gonna celebrate these guys.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
You know, like the.
Speaker 4 (13:54):
Recruiting thing for kids that are currently where Well, listen,
you've got to always recruit your own guys.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
You're always recruiting your own guys. And you know how
he's having people in the field.
Speaker 4 (14:07):
Here's what the middle aged white guy would say, this
is a big enough recruiting tool.
Speaker 3 (14:12):
Come to see you.
Speaker 4 (14:14):
We've got we we we're gonna be on national TV
all the time. All right, We've got a staff full
of NFL Hall of Fame players. You want to get
to the league, we know how exactly to get to
the league, and we'll get there in a short period
of time. And oh, by the way, pregame is going
to be off the chain.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
Right.
Speaker 4 (14:32):
You like Lil Weezy, you like Lil Wayne, you like
I mean, who jay Z was jay Z there? I
don't think Snoop was there for sure?
Speaker 3 (14:42):
You like the Rock?
Speaker 4 (14:44):
All right, So I get all the recruiting thing. But again,
here's my thing. There was a program in place before
Prime got there. And I just get the feeling, and
I get the red ass because of it that there
are a few people up there that don't want to
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acknowledge that that we again subjective the feeling. I get
that they feel like we put CU football.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
On the map.
Speaker 4 (15:15):
No, man, no, I'm pushing back on that in a
big way. No, you didn't you If you said we
resurrected the program, I'm in absolutely we brought the program
back to being relevant.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
Sign me up.
Speaker 4 (15:30):
That's true too, I agree, But you didn't put the
program on the map.
Speaker 3 (15:35):
The program was put on the.
Speaker 4 (15:37):
Map by a lot of great players, great players that
played way before you. And we've named a few of them,
all right, But but I just don't. I don't think
they do. I don't think they have given the proper
respect to former players. And I'm talking about great players,
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college Football Hall of Fame players, first Team All American players,
Thorp Award winner players, but GUS Award winning players, those
guys and guys before them.
Speaker 3 (16:11):
I don't think. I don't.
Speaker 4 (16:12):
I think this shows disrespect to them, and I don't
like it, and I don't, you know what, I'm old
enough now I don't have to like it. And if
they would like, if they don't like me in bolder,
then you know again, I don't care. I'm pretty easy
to find. You got something to say to me, I'm
I'm the easiest guy in town to find.
Speaker 3 (16:31):
Come come, come in with that. I'm here for it.
You know.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
It sort of speaks to the heart of it, doesn't it,
Because because this is something you and Al both have
talked about for years now, a couple of years that
they've been here yes, they are not connected to the
alumni base.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
They are not connected to the players.
Speaker 3 (16:47):
And if they check.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
With checked in with you, guys.
Speaker 4 (16:50):
I mean we we had we had Prime on the show.
I can't remember if you were doing the show with us. Okay,
So the three of us had Prime on the show
and it was great. I mean he was fine. So
only time we've had him on the show, that's a
ok I mean, that's all right. He hadn't been really,
I mean, whatever, he wants to isolate himself, and he
does it differently, not mad at him whatever, that's okay.
You got to let guys be themselves. And when when
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somebody is not like you the picture you have in
your mind on how he should be, you can't all
of a sudden become a hater because it's different that
that's not where I'm at. I'm okay with a different
part of it, right, But there's a way. And if
I were to counsel him, which I never ever would
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get a chance to, I would tell him that, dude,
that there have been and I'm not talking about me,
there have been two handfuls maybe more. I'm talking about
great players here, guys that could have played anywhere at
Florida State, at the you, at Oklahoma, at any place
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in the country. They chose to come to see you,
and they got four years, most of them, of blood,
sweat and tears and equity in that program. So you know,
honor them every single chance you get.
Speaker 3 (18:15):
To recognize them.
Speaker 4 (18:17):
All Right, when Al was doing the show, he went
up there was some function. I don't go to the
functions anymore because I'm not trying to.
Speaker 3 (18:26):
Be the old guy that gets the red ass about it.
I'm just not right.
Speaker 4 (18:29):
I'll just you know, sit home and have whatever uh
whatever ahead. So but you know what, nobody nobody approached him. Yes,
nobody on the staff, nobody what are we doing? What
are we doing? This is a first team All American,
but just award winner, National Champion, National Champion, College Football,
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College Football Hall of.
Speaker 3 (18:55):
Fame, first round draft choice.
Speaker 4 (18:57):
Hey, I would make him like, feel comfortable and welcome
to come up any single time you want to. I'd say, listen,
this office here may have my name on it, but
your name might as well be on it. Anytime you're
in Boulder, you want to stop by, you want to
come to practice, you want to walk right in my office.
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I want you to feel comfortable in doing so, and
that that opportunity, that invitation should have been extended to
two handfuls of great players, because you know why, then
they all get behind you, they all because every one
of them us want that university to be a winner,
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want the football program to be a winner. But that's
not what they've done. And I'm here just to tell
the truth. And then by retiring Shadour's number, it's just
like it's like a slap that you reach down and
it's right on the fifth Oh, the little bitty booger
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on the outside of your foot.
Speaker 3 (20:03):
That's how low your hand is.
Speaker 4 (20:04):
And then you swing out of your shoes and you
cuff somebody right in the face. That's what this feels
like to a lot of former players. So it is
what it is. I'm gonna wake up tomorrow, hopefully and
move on and be just fine. We'll spend two minutes
thinking about it, but I thought about it yesterday because
my phone last night was blowing up with former buffs.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
So that's that when we taking a break on this mug.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
Is just a second.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
I just want to echo one point you brought up there,
because this all could have been different if that alumni
base was part of the process, not necessarily like hey,
you guys, I want all of your opinions on this thing,
but if even just a temperature check or an awareness of, hey,
this is how this might be received, Like because you
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know what, if you're seeing you, this is the opposite
of what you want. What you want is you want
the alumni base. Here's what out there, fully vocal, we
love this, move here, we love this pre.
Speaker 4 (21:05):
I disagree, and I mean this sincerely. They do not care.
They don't care. They don't care about the alumni. Listen,
I've been vocal on this show today. They don't give
a rats ass what comes out of my pie hole.
They don't. That's okay, that's okay. Well it may be
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maybe maybe not, I don't know, but that's okay. What
I have told is what I believe to be certainly
my truth and the truth for a number of former
players that wore the black and gold. These are guys.
These are guys who ran out behind the buffalo. These
are These are not guys that currently run out behind
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the buffalo. These are guys who have been here and invested.
As I said in that program, So it's nothing against
as I said in the three o'clock hours, nothing against Shadure,
nothing personal here with me. There's no hate for him personally.
I don't like the move, although I don't think Shadure.
I don't think it was his idea. I don't think
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he went to his dad and said, hey, what do
you think about retirement. I just don't think that happened.
I don't know the young guy. I wish him well
in the NFL. I hope he represents and does just
a great, great job. But damn man, just because you
don't like a move, or you happen to question, you know,
what the hell's going on up there? That didn't mean
you're a hater. Doesn't mean I hate Prime, doesn't mean
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I hate the CU program. I don't and I don't.
But it also means that I feel strong enough about
this to bring it up and say no, I do
not agree with that, and I'm not going to agree
with that.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
Period playing games are getting underway here in just amount
of moments we got to they're Orlanto Magic that is
the first game up. I got to pull up my
box score here, Orlanto versus Atlanta, and then tonight it's
the late game Golden State Memphis. That's the one that
I'm most excited about. So I think Golden State's gonna win,
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but you want Memphis. It would well in my concocted scenario,
it would. It would benefit Nuggets because Memphis wins Golden State,
then wins the second playoff yes or play in game
on Friday, and then they open at OKAC on Sunday.
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And I'm just here to tell you, okay, see would
be big, big, favorite, number one seed, Ryan's favorite team.
Speaker 3 (23:32):
You door poster in Ryan's bedroom.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
But see, that's why you're reading. It's not even because
you want good basketball. It's because you want to needle me.
I just yeah, there's there's there's a simbolist of truth this.
Speaker 4 (23:45):
So but I do think Golden State would present a
lot of problems for OKAC.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
No disagreement on that, No disagreement on that. I just
think it's funny your rooting interest is not like you know,
this would be.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
Such a good matchup. And hey, Jimmy Butler.
Speaker 4 (23:57):
Inside I think it would help the Nuggets, you know,
but it would also be really fun to I think
the Nuggets match up better against Golden State than they
do against Okase, much better. But I'm not like you, Okay,
I'm not so fearful of both the Timberwolves and the
thunder who else? Oh, and the Lakers. They look like
they're getting their back together. How about Memphis? Are you
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worried about Memphis with job? Should they get out of
the plane now all of a sudden? Oh god, now
we got to play Memphis for seven games? What's wrong
with you? You feel better out? Yes?
Speaker 2 (24:29):
Okay, you know what I said this yesterday. So I
said this to Dick.
Speaker 1 (24:36):
I said after the three wins with their new coaching
staff or their new head coach, I'm revitalized on the Nuggets.
I feel better than I have in a while about
their energy, about the way they're playing basketball right now
and heading into this matchup against the Clippers.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
Look at you a whole new run.
Speaker 3 (24:56):
Look at you, yes, look at you young.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
I want to ask you about Chris Bryant, as he
went on the ten day, I el honestly, it feels
like it's going to be much longer than that.
Speaker 4 (25:08):
By the way, I have to interrupt you and I
apologize from the two one, three, five oh nine media
crying about an issue they started.
Speaker 3 (25:15):
So I just I just texted you badly. But that's
that's how How did how did? How did I start this?
Speaker 2 (25:22):
That's not it.
Speaker 4 (25:23):
That's not it, And I probably am crying about it
because I I think it's wrong. But anyway, all right,
Chris Bryant, Well.
Speaker 1 (25:30):
But you you've put in, as you said, many years
of blood, sweat and tears.
Speaker 4 (25:37):
There's this guys that have gone virtually unnoticed with respect
to Jersey retirement. Yes, that are more deserving period. I mean,
it's the truth the way it is.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
That is truth. Yeah, this is an a media created thing.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
Me.
Speaker 4 (25:52):
You can't you can't erase the history of that program,
and you can't assume that there was no history until
you got here two years ago. You've done a great job.
They're relevant again. People talking about love it. But there
were some very good years prior to that. It just
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didn't happen in the immediacy before you got here. There
were some horrible years, down years. You've brought them back
to relevance, but you did not put SEU football on
the map.
Speaker 3 (26:24):
And that's what this move feels like.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
I think it would be different. And this is just
my opinion on this.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
I think it would be different if say I was
ranting about this decision versus you ranting about this decision,
like me as a media member who covers Cu did
not go to that university, ranting about that decision, versus
somebody that went to the university is still connected to
the university and having the opinions to do so, that
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would be more of it. To the Texture's point, that
would be me.
Speaker 4 (26:56):
My texture. My texture texted back and said, I told
you y'all. Let's see. I told you all to calm
down his ego. Okay, I told you the media we're
overstating the Sanders effect. And then his last text was
I'm about to walk into.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
I don't know what that is. I don't even want
to say walk into something, so.
Speaker 4 (27:23):
Please don't reply for another five minutes. I couldn't read
what it was.
Speaker 2 (27:28):
I just want to say it.
Speaker 4 (27:30):
Well, no, I'll say it. Hell, I've said everything else today.
You know, probably get me whacked. If if if I
was in the Sopranos Ma we were, my character would
be whacked in the next episode.
Speaker 3 (27:44):
What happened to him? He's in the.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
Trunk, sleep with the fish.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
I want to ask you quickly before we hit traffic
about Chris Bryant. It's not to say that he's already
started the season struggling.
Speaker 2 (27:57):
He's now on the aisle with a back injury.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
What is next like in your opinion, what should what's
your Rockies fans and more? I guess more specifically, what
is the what are the Rockies hoping will come out
of Chris Bryan's not only this year, but maybe even
to the future.
Speaker 4 (28:14):
Another thing I can think of is they're hoping for
some sort of miraculous medical situation to wear his back issues.
Speaker 3 (28:27):
And I'm not minimizing back issues.
Speaker 4 (28:29):
If you've ever had back issues, I mean they can
be pretty debilitating, and I mean you can put a
lot of work into it and still it not go well.
Speaker 3 (28:40):
I mean that said, however, I mean it has been
just a horrible, horrible signing by the Rockies or Chris Bryant.
Speaker 4 (28:51):
I mean it's he's a twenty I think seven million
dollars per year guy this year, and I'm quite sure
I don't know him. We've we've had him on the
show before. Seems like a nice fella, but I mean
it's it's professional sports. You're making twenty seven million dollars
he can't can't deliver because of all of the I mean,
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he has been hurt. I don't even have the numbers
in front of me, but I know the lion's share
of potential games played in his short Rockies career he's
he's been unable to play. So it's it's it's a
there's no other way to look at it other than
an unmitigated disaster. In terms of that signing, he played forty.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
Two games in twenty twenty two, played eighty in twenty
twenty three, thirty seven last year, and he's played eleven
so far this year.
Speaker 4 (29:43):
One fifty nine plus eleven, played one seventy. He's played
one hundred and seventy games in four years.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
Well three and yeah, change, yes, Well, this is this
is the thing.
Speaker 1 (29:54):
I think you almost have to let go of expectation
at this point, right, And that's so tough to say
about a guy you're twenty seven million, But I'm saying
this is a Rockies organization, which they can't do that.
They can't do that unless they just out and out
let go and release him. But I think for fans,
you could, you could a fame and yeah, because you
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can't eat the money. Yeah, right, I mean, that's that's it, right,
because I don't I don't know what else you could say.
Because we came into the season we're listening to about Black.
We talked about Black right before the season. We talked
to asked him about Chris Bryant and and he, along
with Dick Montfort, they both said they have high expectations
of what he's being able to do.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
They managing him off all off season.
Speaker 4 (30:33):
I thought, I did, we should go back and listen
to that, because my interpretation of that.
Speaker 3 (30:42):
Was that he was.
Speaker 4 (30:45):
He wanted to be like optimistic, but he also was
luke warm in terms of a you know, I sort
of read that like, I'm not sure what we're going
to get. It hasn't been good in the spring, you know,
the swing has not been.
Speaker 3 (31:02):
I thought, he really.
Speaker 4 (31:03):
I mean I remember that interview thinking, oh boy, that
is not that is not a huge endorsement ring endorse No, no.
Speaker 2 (31:12):
Yeah, you're probably right. I guess I had to re
listen to that.
Speaker 1 (31:14):
I remember him talking because I heard the sound when
he was on the Jim Rome Show. But Black was yeah,
and he said on that show that they were very
optimistic about him because they had spent all off season
sort of managing the way that.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
His health was going. They were going to approach his
health knowing that he's had all these issues.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
Yeah, but I just think you at this point, for
Rockies fans, there almost seems to be a let go, like,
you know what, maybe you get him back, maybe you don't,
But the expectations have to be about his low And honestly,
I'm not telling you something you don't already know.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
In your heart. Right well, you already know well.
Speaker 4 (31:47):
The way they're playing, I think, I mean even the
most ardent, the most optimistic Rockies fan has to look
at the start. I mean they're three and thirteen. They
played the Dodgers tonight and the Dodgers tomorrow. I mean,
you have to just be overwhelmed with the kind of start.
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It's the worst start in franchise history for a team
that the last two seasons has lost over one hundred
one hundred games. So what they needed to do, obviously
was get off to a better start and generate a
little bit of enthusiasm for a young team.
Speaker 2 (32:24):
Hi, Ben, how's it going. It's going?
Speaker 3 (32:26):
Well.
Speaker 1 (32:27):
We were obviously getting fired up bout the playing games tonight.
Speaker 2 (32:30):
So some other fired up things going on earlier in
the show.
Speaker 1 (32:32):
Hey man, there's another way in Yeah, Dave. Dave has
been called Hi drecaris logan over here. The way he's
breathing hot fire. It was tremendous. And then I'd say,
just a little people behind the curtain for a second.
So we were coming into the five o'clock segment and
we were going to come back to this topic and
he's like, you know, I it did a lot of
ranting in the first hour. You know, I'm not sure,
and boy, we just got going and he got right
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back to it.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
It was so great.
Speaker 1 (32:55):
And I'm just sitting over here eating popcorn and I
hate popcorn, but in this case, it's worth it just
to sit down.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
Yeah, you can watch it. You and the anti popcorn
agenda pop vers disgusting.
Speaker 3 (33:04):
We'll get them off your stuff.
Speaker 2 (33:06):
Awful stuff. Anyways, that's tonight.
Speaker 4 (33:08):
By the way, the Clippers are favored over the Nuggets.
They are in the series.
Speaker 1 (33:14):
Yeah, and I want to say that ESPN like predominantly
pick the Clippers.
Speaker 4 (33:17):
Well, I mean that's no surprise, that's true because they
give the Nuggets no credit. But the betting line is
the Clippers that are minus one twenty five.
Speaker 3 (33:25):
I noticed that. What's that?
Speaker 2 (33:27):
Me and my degenerate self did notice that?
Speaker 3 (33:30):
I like the Nuggets. I do too.
Speaker 1 (33:32):
Yeah, you like the Nuggets to rotate the big stew
there and gives you much problems because they don't really
have much big depth after that?
Speaker 2 (33:38):
What Nuggets and what five?
Speaker 3 (33:41):
Really?
Speaker 1 (33:41):
Yeah, you're bullish? Yeah, gentlemen, they're playing. They're playing with
a good energy right now.
Speaker 3 (33:47):
You know. I think it's good for him.
Speaker 2 (33:48):
I think they're playing with the again.
Speaker 1 (33:50):
I think they match up well again they I don't
think that LA has enough height to be able to
compete if the if the Nuggets can get good minutes
out of you know, ten minutes out of Jordan, eight
to ten minutes out of Jordan and uh and and
get the bigs through there.
Speaker 2 (34:03):
So I just I just don't think that l A
can compete inside.
Speaker 4 (34:08):
Well.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
For me, I I kind of laid it out in
the first segment, will spend some more time than the
week goes on. But I I the way I look
at it is LA will like to attack the Nuggets
from the perimeter, like because that's that's really their weakness.
Speaker 2 (34:21):
That they don't. They don't have good perimeter defense.
Speaker 1 (34:23):
So if they can get they can get hot there
from beyond the arc, that's gonna be a problem for
the Nuggets.
Speaker 2 (34:26):
But I agree.
Speaker 1 (34:27):
I mean that there are some matchups here, and certainly
better matchups than it would have been for the Timberwolves,
as much as Dave's gonna give me a hard time
about that. And although on the other side of that, Dave,
I don't know, being on the other side of the
bracket wouldn't have been so bad.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
I don't know. Just saying go here you.
Speaker 1 (34:44):
Go, because you think you get Houston in the next round,
right then you play.
Speaker 4 (34:48):
Your self in confidence and put one step in front
of the other.
Speaker 2 (34:54):
I just say, on the other side of the bracket
means you get Houston. You don't use the dryer on
your bedding.
Speaker 3 (34:58):
Man.
Speaker 4 (34:59):
I mean, you know what good then was in the army, right, Yes,
I've got relatives in the Marines. If you if here's
the thing, If like you're at the base camp and
the decision is made to take the hill, you're taking
the hill in the morning, you you cannot at that
point say you know, I'm not sure that's the right idea.
Speaker 3 (35:22):
I don't know, I just maybe can.
Speaker 4 (35:24):
We talk about this for a minute tomorrow
Speaker 2 (35:39):
PCT coming on next
Rockies Baseball coming up here tonight cover shirts at seven
point thirty. The Rockies are still in Los Angeles. They're
gonna take on the Dodgers. We get to the Chris
Bryant stuff that brought broke yesterday. In just a little bit,
you guys have been texting all afternoon reacting to the well,
not only Dave Logan's rant, which again is tremendous and
you find on demand here in just a little bit
(00:21):
at kwaclorado dot com, but also the news that Shador
Sanders as well as Travis Hunter's numbers are gonna be
retired at the spring game on Saturday.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
I wanted to read a few of those.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
Texts because there's some interesting questions and points that were
brought up here about an hour ago when we were
doing this.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
But I want to follow up first and a couple
of things here.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
We were just talking about it, and they're showing up
on ESPN the Giants holding a private workout for Shador Sanders,
sort of a last minute announced private workout. You said,
if John Mara, the owner of the Giants, decided to
go ahead and draft Shadoor Sanders, basically overriding the GM
and the coach isn't in a lot of ways a
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mistake that he's acknowledging simultaneously of even keeping those guys,
because we sat there from the very beginning. Hey, if
they're going to be drafting and adding in free agency
to keep their jobs, it's human nature, right. Well, if
the owner comes in and says, yeah, I know you
are Jameis Winston and you had Russell Wilson, but I
want I want a future at the quarterback position, well why.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
Are you keeping your coach in GM? Then why did
you even do this?
Speaker 3 (01:33):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (01:33):
I see your point, But here's I mean. First of all,
to be clear, NFL owners have the right to do
anything because they signed the checks so they can. And
some are more likely to get involved in things like
that and some are some are not as likely. I
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think the good news for Broncos fans in particular, your
ownership group now is a strong ownership group, and I
think has complete control of the organization. And yet they
also understand and acknowledge that you hire people, put them
in place, and let them work. Now, if those people
(02:15):
don't ultimately do a good job, then it's you know,
you're the one that gets to decide whether they.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
Stay or not.
Speaker 4 (02:22):
But I don't think you'll see here in Denver. I
don't think you'll see Greg Pitter walk into the draft
room any given year and override Sean Payton and George
Payton exactly. I just don't see it happening. So therefore,
back to the Giants situation. So the Giants, I mean,
there was much speculation last year that the Giants, based
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on the kind of year they had, wouldn't keep the
GM nor the head coach. Brian Dave All the head coach,
and Joe Shane the GM. But the Marra family, I
think it's John Wellington was the dad. So I think
it's John Marra who owns the Giants. He uh, And
it wasn't too far after the season, made a statement, Hey,
(03:04):
we're both are going to come back for the twenty
twenty five season.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
We're excited, la la la. With that move.
Speaker 4 (03:14):
For then, hypothetically, we don't know this is happening for
John Merra to override to supersede both the GM and
the head coach, and if they've made their decision not
to draft Shodoor Sanders and John Merhrack comes in and says, hey,
wait a minute, we are drafting Shadoor Sanders. Does he
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have the right to do that? He absolutely does. He
owns the team, he writes the checks. But if you're
going to do that and then the team falters, you
have the right to fire both those guys. But you
basically just cut the legs out of both those guys
you know in the draft. So why didn't you fire
him last year and bring your own guys in and
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then tell them, Hey, this is what I want to
do at the quarterback position.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
And to take that even further, is he going to
come that at some point in the season and say.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
Hey, I want you to play your door.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
Is he going to lean on the coaching staff and
the GM and say, you know what, I don't like
what I'm seeing from Russ I don't really care to
see Jamis push your door in again.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
They have every right to do so, every right to
do so.
Speaker 4 (04:19):
And if you're out of I mean I would say
this if you're out of playoff contention. So like I
don't know Week five for the Giants, No, I think
they'll be better this year. But if you're out of
playoff contention and you have four games left, they have
a right to say, hey, let's take a look at
the rookie quarterback. The only thing that owners sometimes don't
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really have a good sense of is what does this
do to the locker room? And coaches have a much
better feel for it. Gms, I think, also have a
better feel. But you got guys there, even at that point,
that are interested in playing good football. Maybe they've got
you know, maybe they've got clauses in their contract. Maybe
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maybe they're just really prideful. They want to You're playing
Dallas a couple of times last five weeks. You want
to beat the Cowboys, right, But if you make that
change a quarterback for seemingly no reason other than I
want to see how the young kid plays, you know,
there are times that it doesn't set very well or
sit very well in the locker room.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
That's exactly what I was thinking about, is for the
locker room.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
How it would feel if all of a sudden you're like, Okay, well,
I understand the owner's writing the checks, but we're supposed
to be following the directive of our coach, of our
you know, the g in the front office, all these
kinds of things.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
That's the plan here.
Speaker 4 (05:37):
I think it's one of the reasons that that Sean Payton,
whether you call him reluctant or reticent or I mean,
when bo Nix was drafted, we all thought like, okay,
he's drafted.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
Him to be the guy.
Speaker 4 (05:51):
But when he came to camp, everybody will check the
depth chart, and he was third third of the depth chart,
you know, and some.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
People made a big deal about that.
Speaker 4 (05:59):
But I think it was Peyton's way of letting the
locker room know that, hey, he's got to earn it
just like everybody else. Now, ultimately they made the decision,
but I think the locker room was able to see
bo Nicks in meetings, in practice, how he conducted himself,
and so Peyton got buy in from the veterroom players like, Okay,
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this young cat, we can see that, we can see
him being the Week one starter.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
A lot of reaction on the kay comspiritalt text line
five six six nine zero to our earlier conversation your rant,
especially this question came up a few times though, Dave.
When it comes to Shador Sanders having his number two retired,
should the athletic director overrule this.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
Decision too late?
Speaker 3 (06:50):
That's what it.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
Feels like to me, like even with the public outcry,
via the frustration from alumni, from just people in Denver,
SEU fans, all of it.
Speaker 4 (07:00):
It's too late. I mean, I think so. And again,
I mean, we talked about Rick George in the first hour.
I think Rick Rick would be the guy that that
could have stepped in and said, listen this, I disagree
with this.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
Here's why.
Speaker 4 (07:19):
But he's in a tough position because he wants to
keep his head coach happy and those who surround him happy.
And so and I think Rick will Rick's contract ends
in I believe June of twenty twenty six. And I
think from I mean, for most people I talk to,
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they feel like and he may have even said it publicly.
I don't know that that'll be it for him. So
do you really want to I mean, do you really
you know, you want to try to break that cult,
so to speak, over the last twelve months of your
ad career at the University of Colorado. I mean you
you hired him, you hired prime And you know what,
(08:02):
He's done a great job in terms of making the
University of Colorado's football team relevant. Again, he really has,
and I have said that so many times on the air,
But it's okay. It's okay if you disagree with things
and you voice your opinion about him, especially if you
have a vested interest in that program, it's okay.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
That doesn't mean that that I can't get with the buffs.
Speaker 4 (08:28):
When they come out and open up against whoever they
open up with and root form, that doesn't mean that
at all.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
I just think they jumped the gun.
Speaker 4 (08:35):
I do think Travis Hunters jersey should be retired because
he won the friggin Heisman Trophy.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
Would you do it immediately like they're doing it.
Speaker 4 (08:41):
I have no problem with them doing it immediately. He
won the Heisman Trophy. It's been done one other time
in the history of the football program. I was not
on the same page with respect to shador Abony's jersey retired.
Speaker 3 (08:55):
I said it, and I stand by it.
Speaker 4 (08:58):
You know what I said it, and I think there
are players who are deserving of that kind of attention.
I listed them, starting with our former partner, Alfred Williams,
in no significant order of importance. Dion Figures War number two.
I think was the best quarterback to ever play at
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the university. Now that's a subjective opinion. Didn't lose a game,
in the Big Eight Conference, lost five games in two
years twenty seven to five and one, I believe, and
played in two National Championship games. Best option quarterback again
a subjective comment. Best option quarterback I ever saw, including
the great ones at Oklahoma and Nebraska. Cornel Stewart deserves
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mentioned with his fabulous career. Michael Westbrook was a generational
talent picked fourth overall in the draft.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
Daniel Graham the enemy, Yeah, eb so yeah.
Speaker 4 (09:55):
There have been other great players that, for whatever reason,
we never talk about retiring their jersey, Guys that played two, three,
four years. Most of the guys that I just mentioned,
most of those guys played all four years at the university.
I so, no, I do not think it was a
smart decision retiring Shuder's jersey, and I stand by that.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
Is there a possibility here?
Speaker 1 (10:21):
And again, I'm I'm just sort of trying to think
outside the box now that we're living in this world
where this situation exists and the vitrial, the frustration that
has come down of it. Is there a scenario where
there's a bit of a reframe, because I do think
that they do need to acknowledge and honor these former
buffs that there's got to be a way to do that,
and somebody text Ninja moment ago and saying bye. By
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inducting him or by retiring this number, they're cheapening the process.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
I think that's a little strong, But I say, i'd say,
is there a way to because there's only four people day,
there's there's four in Cus.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
Yeah, I think I think there.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
Would be should you open it up?
Speaker 4 (11:01):
Well, I mean I think because I mean, I've had
this conversation with former players over the years. This conversation
took place before Prime got here about the lack of
numbers retired and mel Tucker unretired three of the four
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that were retired, right, Yeah, he didn't make the call.
I mean, he made the call, that's what he wanted
to do, But others had to literally make the call,
like to Byron Wizardwhite's son. And I don't know, I mean,
how do you think that conversation started? Hey?
Speaker 3 (11:42):
Hey, you ben?
Speaker 2 (11:43):
Hey? Yeah, I hope you said how you doing first?
Speaker 4 (11:46):
You know, I mean he he he led the nation
in rushing. I believe he led the nation to scoring.
He was CU's first All American football player and oh,
by the way, he became a Supreme Court justice, and
I believe served on the bench for over thirty years.
I don't know, seems like a pretty worthy, you know,
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do to have these jersey retired? And then Mel Tucker
unretired it. And then I believe when Carl Durell took.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
Over, he retired again.
Speaker 4 (12:20):
Yes, and now I think it's been un re retired,
which is not even a word.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
So I don't know, man, I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (12:30):
Uh yeah, I think there are guys that are worthy
of having the numbers retired. I understand you only have
so many numbers. I understand that, but I think there
are guys and I think you set the bar so high.
It doesn't mean the shador hadn't been a great player,
because he has. He's got a lot of records up there.
I mean, he took an ass whooping for two years.
He's tough as anybody out there, right, Hope he has
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a great NFL career, But two year stint thirteen and twelve. Oh,
I'm not in favor of retiring his jersey in front
of a lot of guys that I just mentioned. No, sorry,
doesn't make me a hater, doesn't make me anything. Other
than somebody who voices his opinion on a radio show.
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Take it or don't take it?
Speaker 2 (13:17):
Well, no, I think that what you're saying is kind
of the pulse of it.
Speaker 3 (13:22):
I don't know, no, but.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
But I the only thing again I said it, the
FIRS shower. The only thing that I can think of
here for coach Prime besides sort of feeding ego.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
Let's take that out of it for just a second.
Is this a recruiting thing, right?
Speaker 1 (13:35):
I mean the fact that you threw this together at
the last second, that you announced it yesterday, and it's
gonna happen on Saturday, not even in a real game, right,
this is like, hey, homecoming weekend. Guess what, see you fans,
We're gonna do this really special event thing. We're gonna
have Travis in, We're gonna have We're gonna do it,
this whole thing that we're gonna We're gonna celebrate these guys.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
You know, like the.
Speaker 4 (13:54):
Recruiting thing for kids that are currently where Well, listen,
you've got to always recruit your own guys.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
You're always recruiting your own guys. And you know how
he's having people in the field.
Speaker 4 (14:07):
Here's what the middle aged white guy would say, this
is a big enough recruiting tool.
Speaker 3 (14:12):
Come to see you.
Speaker 4 (14:14):
We've got we we we're gonna be on national TV
all the time. All right, We've got a staff full
of NFL Hall of Fame players. You want to get
to the league, we know how exactly to get to
the league, and we'll get there in a short period
of time. And oh, by the way, pregame is going
to be off the chain.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
Right.
Speaker 4 (14:32):
You like Lil Weezy, you like Lil Wayne, you like
I mean, who jay Z was jay Z there? I
don't think Snoop was there for sure?
Speaker 3 (14:42):
You like the Rock?
Speaker 4 (14:44):
All right, So I get all the recruiting thing. But again,
here's my thing. There was a program in place before
Prime got there. And I just get the feeling, and
I get the red ass because of it that there
are a few people up there that don't want to
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acknowledge that that we again subjective the feeling. I get
that they feel like we put CU football.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
On the map.
Speaker 4 (15:15):
No, man, no, I'm pushing back on that in a
big way. No, you didn't you If you said we
resurrected the program, I'm in absolutely we brought the program
back to being relevant.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
Sign me up.
Speaker 4 (15:30):
That's true too, I agree, But you didn't put the
program on the map.
Speaker 3 (15:35):
The program was put on the.
Speaker 4 (15:37):
Map by a lot of great players, great players that
played way before you. And we've named a few of them,
all right, But but I just don't. I don't think
they do. I don't think they have given the proper
respect to former players. And I'm talking about great players,
(15:58):
college Football Hall of Fame players, first Team All American players,
Thorp Award winner players, but GUS Award winning players, those
guys and guys before them.
Speaker 3 (16:11):
I don't think. I don't.
Speaker 4 (16:12):
I think this shows disrespect to them, and I don't
like it, and I don't, you know what, I'm old
enough now I don't have to like it. And if
they would like, if they don't like me in bolder,
then you know again, I don't care. I'm pretty easy
to find. You got something to say to me, I'm
I'm the easiest guy in town to find.
Speaker 3 (16:31):
Come come, come in with that. I'm here for it.
You know.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
It sort of speaks to the heart of it, doesn't it,
Because because this is something you and Al both have
talked about for years now, a couple of years that
they've been here yes, they are not connected to the
alumni base.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
They are not connected to the players.
Speaker 3 (16:47):
And if they check.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
With checked in with you, guys.
Speaker 4 (16:50):
I mean we we had we had Prime on the show.
I can't remember if you were doing the show with us. Okay,
So the three of us had Prime on the show
and it was great. I mean he was fine. So
only time we've had him on the show, that's a
ok I mean, that's all right. He hadn't been really,
I mean, whatever, he wants to isolate himself, and he
does it differently, not mad at him whatever, that's okay.
You got to let guys be themselves. And when when
(17:12):
somebody is not like you the picture you have in
your mind on how he should be, you can't all
of a sudden become a hater because it's different that
that's not where I'm at. I'm okay with a different
part of it, right, But there's a way. And if
I were to counsel him, which I never ever would
(17:33):
get a chance to, I would tell him that, dude,
that there have been and I'm not talking about me,
there have been two handfuls maybe more. I'm talking about
great players here, guys that could have played anywhere at
Florida State, at the you, at Oklahoma, at any place
(17:55):
in the country. They chose to come to see you,
and they got four years, most of them, of blood,
sweat and tears and equity in that program. So you know,
honor them every single chance you get.
Speaker 3 (18:15):
To recognize them.
Speaker 4 (18:17):
All Right, when Al was doing the show, he went
up there was some function. I don't go to the
functions anymore because I'm not trying to.
Speaker 3 (18:26):
Be the old guy that gets the red ass about it.
I'm just not right.
Speaker 4 (18:29):
I'll just you know, sit home and have whatever uh
whatever ahead. So but you know what, nobody nobody approached him. Yes,
nobody on the staff, nobody what are we doing? What
are we doing? This is a first team All American,
but just award winner, National Champion, National Champion, College Football,
(18:54):
College Football Hall of.
Speaker 3 (18:55):
Fame, first round draft choice.
Speaker 4 (18:57):
Hey, I would make him like, feel comfortable and welcome
to come up any single time you want to. I'd say, listen,
this office here may have my name on it, but
your name might as well be on it. Anytime you're
in Boulder, you want to stop by, you want to
come to practice, you want to walk right in my office.
(19:19):
I want you to feel comfortable in doing so, and
that that opportunity, that invitation should have been extended to
two handfuls of great players, because you know why, then
they all get behind you, they all because every one
of them us want that university to be a winner,
(19:41):
want the football program to be a winner. But that's
not what they've done. And I'm here just to tell
the truth. And then by retiring Shadour's number, it's just
like it's like a slap that you reach down and
it's right on the fifth Oh, the little bitty booger
(20:01):
on the outside of your foot.
Speaker 3 (20:03):
That's how low your hand is.
Speaker 4 (20:04):
And then you swing out of your shoes and you
cuff somebody right in the face. That's what this feels
like to a lot of former players. So it is
what it is. I'm gonna wake up tomorrow, hopefully and
move on and be just fine. We'll spend two minutes
thinking about it, but I thought about it yesterday because
my phone last night was blowing up with former buffs.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
So that's that when we taking a break on this mug.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
Is just a second.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
I just want to echo one point you brought up there,
because this all could have been different if that alumni
base was part of the process, not necessarily like hey,
you guys, I want all of your opinions on this thing,
but if even just a temperature check or an awareness of, hey,
this is how this might be received, Like because you
(20:53):
know what, if you're seeing you, this is the opposite
of what you want. What you want is you want
the alumni base. Here's what out there, fully vocal, we
love this, move here, we love this pre.
Speaker 4 (21:05):
I disagree, and I mean this sincerely. They do not care.
They don't care. They don't care about the alumni. Listen,
I've been vocal on this show today. They don't give
a rats ass what comes out of my pie hole.
They don't. That's okay, that's okay. Well it may be
(21:28):
maybe maybe not, I don't know, but that's okay. What
I have told is what I believe to be certainly
my truth and the truth for a number of former
players that wore the black and gold. These are guys.
These are guys who ran out behind the buffalo. These
are These are not guys that currently run out behind
(21:51):
the buffalo. These are guys who have been here and invested.
As I said in that program, So it's nothing against
as I said in the three o'clock hours, nothing against Shadure,
nothing personal here with me. There's no hate for him personally.
I don't like the move, although I don't think Shadure.
I don't think it was his idea. I don't think
(22:12):
he went to his dad and said, hey, what do
you think about retirement. I just don't think that happened.
I don't know the young guy. I wish him well
in the NFL. I hope he represents and does just
a great, great job. But damn man, just because you
don't like a move, or you happen to question, you know,
what the hell's going on up there? That didn't mean
you're a hater. Doesn't mean I hate Prime, doesn't mean
(22:32):
I hate the CU program. I don't and I don't.
But it also means that I feel strong enough about
this to bring it up and say no, I do
not agree with that, and I'm not going to agree
with that.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
Period playing games are getting underway here in just amount
of moments we got to they're Orlanto Magic that is
the first game up. I got to pull up my
box score here, Orlanto versus Atlanta, and then tonight it's
the late game Golden State Memphis. That's the one that
I'm most excited about. So I think Golden State's gonna win,
(23:05):
but you want Memphis. It would well in my concocted scenario,
it would. It would benefit Nuggets because Memphis wins Golden State,
then wins the second playoff yes or play in game
on Friday, and then they open at OKAC on Sunday.
(23:26):
And I'm just here to tell you, okay, see would
be big, big, favorite, number one seed, Ryan's favorite team.
Speaker 3 (23:32):
You door poster in Ryan's bedroom.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
But see, that's why you're reading. It's not even because
you want good basketball. It's because you want to needle me.
I just yeah, there's there's there's a simbolist of truth this.
Speaker 4 (23:45):
So but I do think Golden State would present a
lot of problems for OKAC.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
No disagreement on that, No disagreement on that. I just
think it's funny your rooting interest is not like you know,
this would be.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
Such a good matchup. And hey, Jimmy Butler.
Speaker 4 (23:57):
Inside I think it would help the Nuggets, you know,
but it would also be really fun to I think
the Nuggets match up better against Golden State than they
do against Okase, much better. But I'm not like you, Okay,
I'm not so fearful of both the Timberwolves and the
thunder who else? Oh, and the Lakers. They look like
they're getting their back together. How about Memphis? Are you
(24:19):
worried about Memphis with job? Should they get out of
the plane now all of a sudden? Oh god, now
we got to play Memphis for seven games? What's wrong
with you? You feel better out? Yes?
Speaker 2 (24:29):
Okay, you know what I said this yesterday. So I
said this to Dick.
Speaker 1 (24:36):
I said after the three wins with their new coaching
staff or their new head coach, I'm revitalized on the Nuggets.
I feel better than I have in a while about
their energy, about the way they're playing basketball right now
and heading into this matchup against the Clippers.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
Look at you a whole new run.
Speaker 3 (24:56):
Look at you, yes, look at you young.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
I want to ask you about Chris Bryant, as he
went on the ten day, I el honestly, it feels
like it's going to be much longer than that.
Speaker 4 (25:08):
By the way, I have to interrupt you and I
apologize from the two one, three, five oh nine media
crying about an issue they started.
Speaker 3 (25:15):
So I just I just texted you badly. But that's
that's how How did how did? How did I start this?
Speaker 2 (25:22):
That's not it.
Speaker 4 (25:23):
That's not it, And I probably am crying about it
because I I think it's wrong. But anyway, all right,
Chris Bryant, Well.
Speaker 1 (25:30):
But you you've put in, as you said, many years
of blood, sweat and tears.
Speaker 4 (25:37):
There's this guys that have gone virtually unnoticed with respect
to Jersey retirement. Yes, that are more deserving period. I mean,
it's the truth the way it is.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
That is truth. Yeah, this is an a media created thing.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
Me.
Speaker 4 (25:52):
You can't you can't erase the history of that program,
and you can't assume that there was no history until
you got here two years ago. You've done a great job.
They're relevant again. People talking about love it. But there
were some very good years prior to that. It just
(26:12):
didn't happen in the immediacy before you got here. There
were some horrible years, down years. You've brought them back
to relevance, but you did not put SEU football on
the map.
Speaker 3 (26:24):
And that's what this move feels like.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
I think it would be different. And this is just
my opinion on this.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
I think it would be different if say I was
ranting about this decision versus you ranting about this decision,
like me as a media member who covers Cu did
not go to that university, ranting about that decision, versus
somebody that went to the university is still connected to
the university and having the opinions to do so, that
(26:52):
would be more of it. To the Texture's point, that
would be me.
Speaker 4 (26:56):
My texture. My texture texted back and said, I told
you y'all. Let's see. I told you all to calm
down his ego. Okay, I told you the media we're
overstating the Sanders effect. And then his last text was
I'm about to walk into.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
I don't know what that is. I don't even want
to say walk into something, so.
Speaker 4 (27:23):
Please don't reply for another five minutes. I couldn't read
what it was.
Speaker 2 (27:28):
I just want to say it.
Speaker 4 (27:30):
Well, no, I'll say it. Hell, I've said everything else today.
You know, probably get me whacked. If if if I
was in the Sopranos Ma we were, my character would
be whacked in the next episode.
Speaker 3 (27:44):
What happened to him? He's in the.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
Trunk, sleep with the fish.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
I want to ask you quickly before we hit traffic
about Chris Bryant. It's not to say that he's already
started the season struggling.
Speaker 2 (27:57):
He's now on the aisle with a back injury.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
What is next like in your opinion, what should what's
your Rockies fans and more? I guess more specifically, what
is the what are the Rockies hoping will come out
of Chris Bryan's not only this year, but maybe even
to the future.
Speaker 4 (28:14):
Another thing I can think of is they're hoping for
some sort of miraculous medical situation to wear his back issues.
Speaker 3 (28:27):
And I'm not minimizing back issues.
Speaker 4 (28:29):
If you've ever had back issues, I mean they can
be pretty debilitating, and I mean you can put a
lot of work into it and still it not go well.
Speaker 3 (28:40):
I mean that said, however, I mean it has been
just a horrible, horrible signing by the Rockies or Chris Bryant.
Speaker 4 (28:51):
I mean it's he's a twenty I think seven million
dollars per year guy this year, and I'm quite sure
I don't know him. We've we've had him on the
show before. Seems like a nice fella, but I mean
it's it's professional sports. You're making twenty seven million dollars
he can't can't deliver because of all of the I mean,
(29:14):
he has been hurt. I don't even have the numbers
in front of me, but I know the lion's share
of potential games played in his short Rockies career he's
he's been unable to play. So it's it's it's a
there's no other way to look at it other than
an unmitigated disaster. In terms of that signing, he played forty.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
Two games in twenty twenty two, played eighty in twenty
twenty three, thirty seven last year, and he's played eleven
so far this year.
Speaker 4 (29:43):
One fifty nine plus eleven, played one seventy. He's played
one hundred and seventy games in four years.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
Well three and yeah, change, yes, Well, this is this
is the thing.
Speaker 1 (29:54):
I think you almost have to let go of expectation
at this point, right, And that's so tough to say
about a guy you're twenty seven million, But I'm saying
this is a Rockies organization, which they can't do that.
They can't do that unless they just out and out
let go and release him. But I think for fans,
you could, you could a fame and yeah, because you
(30:15):
can't eat the money. Yeah, right, I mean, that's that's it, right,
because I don't I don't know what else you could say.
Because we came into the season we're listening to about Black.
We talked about Black right before the season. We talked
to asked him about Chris Bryant and and he, along
with Dick Montfort, they both said they have high expectations
of what he's being able to do.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
They managing him off all off season.
Speaker 4 (30:33):
I thought, I did, we should go back and listen
to that, because my interpretation of that.
Speaker 3 (30:42):
Was that he was.
Speaker 4 (30:45):
He wanted to be like optimistic, but he also was
luke warm in terms of a you know, I sort
of read that like, I'm not sure what we're going
to get. It hasn't been good in the spring, you know,
the swing has not been.
Speaker 3 (31:02):
I thought, he really.
Speaker 4 (31:03):
I mean I remember that interview thinking, oh boy, that
is not that is not a huge endorsement ring endorse No, no.
Speaker 2 (31:12):
Yeah, you're probably right. I guess I had to re
listen to that.
Speaker 1 (31:14):
I remember him talking because I heard the sound when
he was on the Jim Rome Show. But Black was yeah,
and he said on that show that they were very
optimistic about him because they had spent all off season
sort of managing the way that.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
His health was going. They were going to approach his
health knowing that he's had all these issues.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
Yeah, but I just think you at this point, for
Rockies fans, there almost seems to be a let go, like,
you know what, maybe you get him back, maybe you don't,
But the expectations have to be about his low And honestly,
I'm not telling you something you don't already know.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
In your heart. Right well, you already know well.
Speaker 4 (31:47):
The way they're playing, I think, I mean even the
most ardent, the most optimistic Rockies fan has to look
at the start. I mean they're three and thirteen. They
played the Dodgers tonight and the Dodgers tomorrow. I mean,
you have to just be overwhelmed with the kind of start.
(32:09):
It's the worst start in franchise history for a team
that the last two seasons has lost over one hundred
one hundred games. So what they needed to do, obviously
was get off to a better start and generate a
little bit of enthusiasm for a young team.
Speaker 2 (32:24):
Hi, Ben, how's it going. It's going?
Speaker 3 (32:26):
Well.
Speaker 1 (32:27):
We were obviously getting fired up bout the playing games tonight.
Speaker 2 (32:30):
So some other fired up things going on earlier in
the show.
Speaker 1 (32:32):
Hey man, there's another way in Yeah, Dave. Dave has
been called Hi drecaris logan over here. The way he's
breathing hot fire. It was tremendous. And then I'd say,
just a little people behind the curtain for a second.
So we were coming into the five o'clock segment and
we were going to come back to this topic and
he's like, you know, I it did a lot of
ranting in the first hour. You know, I'm not sure,
and boy, we just got going and he got right
(32:53):
back to it.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
It was so great.
Speaker 1 (32:55):
And I'm just sitting over here eating popcorn and I
hate popcorn, but in this case, it's worth it just
to sit down.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
Yeah, you can watch it. You and the anti popcorn
agenda pop vers disgusting.
Speaker 3 (33:04):
We'll get them off your stuff.
Speaker 2 (33:06):
Awful stuff. Anyways, that's tonight.
Speaker 4 (33:08):
By the way, the Clippers are favored over the Nuggets.
They are in the series.
Speaker 1 (33:14):
Yeah, and I want to say that ESPN like predominantly
pick the Clippers.
Speaker 4 (33:17):
Well, I mean that's no surprise, that's true because they
give the Nuggets no credit. But the betting line is
the Clippers that are minus one twenty five.
Speaker 3 (33:25):
I noticed that. What's that?
Speaker 2 (33:27):
Me and my degenerate self did notice that?
Speaker 3 (33:30):
I like the Nuggets. I do too.
Speaker 1 (33:32):
Yeah, you like the Nuggets to rotate the big stew
there and gives you much problems because they don't really
have much big depth after that?
Speaker 2 (33:38):
What Nuggets and what five?
Speaker 3 (33:41):
Really?
Speaker 1 (33:41):
Yeah, you're bullish? Yeah, gentlemen, they're playing. They're playing with
a good energy right now.
Speaker 3 (33:47):
You know. I think it's good for him.
Speaker 2 (33:48):
I think they're playing with the again.
Speaker 1 (33:50):
I think they match up well again they I don't
think that LA has enough height to be able to
compete if the if the Nuggets can get good minutes
out of you know, ten minutes out of Jordan, eight
to ten minutes out of Jordan and uh and and
get the bigs through there.
Speaker 2 (34:03):
So I just I just don't think that l A
can compete inside.
Speaker 4 (34:08):
Well.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
For me, I I kind of laid it out in
the first segment, will spend some more time than the
week goes on. But I I the way I look
at it is LA will like to attack the Nuggets
from the perimeter, like because that's that's really their weakness.
Speaker 2 (34:21):
That they don't. They don't have good perimeter defense.
Speaker 1 (34:23):
So if they can get they can get hot there
from beyond the arc, that's gonna be a problem for
the Nuggets.
Speaker 2 (34:26):
But I agree.
Speaker 1 (34:27):
I mean that there are some matchups here, and certainly
better matchups than it would have been for the Timberwolves,
as much as Dave's gonna give me a hard time
about that. And although on the other side of that, Dave,
I don't know, being on the other side of the
bracket wouldn't have been so bad.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
I don't know. Just saying go here you.
Speaker 1 (34:44):
Go, because you think you get Houston in the next round,
right then you play.
Speaker 4 (34:48):
Your self in confidence and put one step in front
of the other.
Speaker 2 (34:54):
I just say, on the other side of the bracket
means you get Houston. You don't use the dryer on
your bedding.
Speaker 3 (34:58):
Man.
Speaker 4 (34:59):
I mean, you know what good then was in the army, right, Yes,
I've got relatives in the Marines. If you if here's
the thing, If like you're at the base camp and
the decision is made to take the hill, you're taking
the hill in the morning, you you cannot at that
point say you know, I'm not sure that's the right idea.
Speaker 3 (35:22):
I don't know, I just maybe can.
Speaker 4 (35:24):
We talk about this for a minute tomorrow
Speaker 2 (35:39):
PCT coming on next
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