11-20-24 KOA Sports Hour 2

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome back.

Speaker 2 (00:00):
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the program, the one and only color Analyst for your
Denver Broncos Rick Lewis.

Speaker 1 (00:46):
Rick, my friend, how are you hey?

Speaker 3 (00:49):
I want to say hi to the great Nick Ferguson,
and also Hi to the great Ryan Edwards, right, don't
call yourself short like that.

Speaker 2 (00:55):
The well, you know, I appreciate it. So far people
coming up to me have said very nice things. Again,
a nice departure from what's going on in the text
line right now. But we digress, We digress. So hey, listen,
we're having a fun conversation in the first hour because
we're talking about Bonis winning AFC Offensive Player of the Week,
and the question came up recently about why are we

(01:19):
buying into Bonnicks, Like, why is it different this time
versus other quarterbacks that have come through here, Drew Locke,
for example, who had a pretty good rookie season as well.
Why are you maybe buying into Bonnicks a little bit more?

Speaker 3 (01:33):
Well, it's not just me and you and Broncos Country.
It seems like everybody has given bone Nicks as flowers
right now. And we've seen so many quarterbacks through this
revolving door over the last eight or nine years since
Peyton Manning left it. I think not only are we
hungry for the right guy, we're pretty tired of what

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we've seen and it's wearing Broncos Country out. You know,
I don't I can't remember how many different starting quarterbacks
we've had since Dayton Manning. You probably have that number
of Ryan because you collect those type of metrics, but
it's been a lot. And you mentioned Drew Lock. I
was never sold on Drew Lock. He's got a killer arm,

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got a great arm, but to me, Drew Locks has
never had the head, and a big part of playing
quarterback in the league. You can have all the arm
talent in the league, but if you don't have that head,
that quarterback head that can process and think through things
very quickly, you're just not going to be a very
good football player. And and you know, I like Drew Lock.

(02:43):
He's a nice kid. Here he is in New York
Giants and they benched their starting quarterback Daniel Jones, and
they're not playing Drew Lock. So I think we pretty
much got it right with him. Bow Knicks has been different.
I think from day one. You know, bow Knicks came
then as a plug and play NFL quarterback out of Oregon.

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He looked good in training camp, he looked good in preseason,
started this season a little bit rough in those first
couple of games, as most people expected. That's how it
is for rookie quarterbacks, but man does he figure things
out quickly. And really the last four or five six weeks,
bo Nicks is playing like a top ten or top

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twelve quarterback in the league right now. And the metrics
will tell you that. Ryan, you know that better than anybody.
He looks to be a pretty special quarterback for the
Denver Broncos. And he's still going to get better. We're
just ten games into his career.

Speaker 4 (03:43):
Yeah, Rick, we don't know exactly where the ciling is
for bow and he has definitely performed well up.

Speaker 5 (03:50):
To this point.

Speaker 4 (03:51):
I mean, you get a chance, along with Dave Logan
to see him every single week in game live game action.

Speaker 5 (04:00):
What moment of what game.

Speaker 4 (04:01):
Was it that you saw on a particular play and
you said, you know what, there's something special about this kid,
and I'm glad that the Broncos had him as a quarterback.

Speaker 3 (04:12):
We'll go back a couple of weeks to the Kansas
City game Nick when he drove the team down the
field in the fourth quarter at crunch time and hit
that big throw to Courtland Sutton to set them up
in field goal position in the game that they should
have won. That showed me a lot, and I think
that's pretty much when he came of age. Was in

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that game, and I told you guys this, you know,
walking around Arrowhead Stadium at halftime listening to the local
media there, they were just gushing over Bonicks, and not
only Bonnicks, but this football team. You know, let's not
forget this football team is getting better every week too.
They've been good on the defensive side of the ball
from the beginning, but they're still getting better too as

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we make it through the season. So that was the one,
the one throw, and I guess that drive that really
told me, Okay, we got our guy. And then you
watch him last week. I think that throw to Devon
Veley over the middle, he thread the needle between three
defenders and that's a special throw right there. And I

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do have a bit of an advantage because I talk
to Jake Plumber every week and Jake Plumber has been
telling me that this kid has special on talent. Don't
sell him short, don't listen to what the scout said
when he came out of Oregon. He said, this kid
can make all the throws. So I've been looking at him,
you know, maybe a little differently than most people and

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as you said, Nick, we get a chance to see
him up close and personal every week, and you've done
the same. He looks special to me. And it's not
just his physical ability, it's that head. That processor that
he's got in his head looks to be really special,
you know, kind of like with Peyton Manning. And I'm
not comparing him to Peyton Manny, but Peyton Manning had

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that head and they have the on talent that a
lot of quarterbacks have in the NFL, but Peyton Manning,
one of the greatest quarterbacks of all time. In that
head was a big reason.

Speaker 1 (06:08):
I mean, it's a very large head for what it's worth.
And so yes, I understand we sr.

Speaker 2 (06:14):
Gicheatic forehead, but again, you know, stored a lot of
very good information up there and made him a Hall
of Fame quarterback.

Speaker 1 (06:21):
Fourteen quarterbacks.

Speaker 2 (06:22):
Bonix is the fourteenth starting quarterback since Peyton Manning retired
in case, in case that's interesting to anybody. We're gonna
get into this in just a little bit, Rick, But
the running backs, the rotation, it seems like every single week,
and even when Sean Payne was asked about it today,
he said, that's the six million dollar question, because he

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really he really doesn't know, and I mean maybe they
know a little bit more internally. Is this something where
you feel like the Broncos to sort of settle in
on something there as far as who's the quote unquote
lead back or do you like the fact that, hey,
every single week teams have to kind of prepare for
any one of these guys to be the the big
bell cow back.

Speaker 3 (07:02):
Yeah, there's something too that there's some benefits to that.
And I need to apologize once again to Javonte Williams.
Every time I write this guy off, he comes back
and has a big game. So this is the second
time he's done that. So once again, I am sorry Javonte.
But maybe maybe I'm motivating him in some way, or

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certainly somebody's motivating him. And I think he's getting pushed
by Audric Estime right now. And a few weeks back
it was Tyler Badey and then we saw Javonte look
like the old Javante again. What it feels like to
me is he's going to rotate all these backs and
it's kind of a typical Sean Payton thing anyway that

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he likes to play, you know, two, three, running backs
and rotate him in and it kind of feels like
he's going to go with the hot hand from week
to week, and Gavonty started off last week hot and
they stuck with him. I was shot when Javonte started
the game because I thought it was going to be
an adric estimate day. In fact, Ryan we talked about

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the pregame. I think everybody pretty much assumed that, and
then it turned out to be a good day for Chavante.
So I can't even predict anymore. And it maybe that's
a good thing. It kind of keeps the other teams,
the opposing team's defenses under toes a bit.

Speaker 4 (08:22):
All on Sunday we saw probably the best brand of
football from the Broncos on all three phases, and I
know Coach Payton talked about that after the game. Do
you think that this is kind of the beginning of
the Broncos really finding their path and being able to do.

Speaker 5 (08:41):
This more consistently.

Speaker 4 (08:42):
Because the reason I say that because one week we
have the offense doing something, but the majority of the
week's is always the defense. But for the first time
we saw collectively all three phases. How much more can
we expect? Like this from this team.

Speaker 3 (08:57):
Yeah, I agree. The defense, it's just been stellar over
the last couple of weeks, and they're also getting better,
not just Bonnicks, they're getting better from week to week.
That's front seven of the Broncos defense is special. And
you've got two corners in the back end that are
both lockdown corners and Riley Moss and PS two. So yeah,

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I think the Broncos look like they could go on
a run here down the stretch. I certainly hope that's
the case. They've got several winnable games to play. They
got the Raiders coming up this week, of course, which
is a winnable game, but it's a rivalry game. You
can't sell anybody shorts in this league. They have to
show up. They have to take care of business against

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the Raiders team that's reeling. You know, they're probably going
to fire their head coach at the end of the year.
They just replace their offensive coordinator. They're a mess, although
they do have some talent on both sides of the
ball on that football team. But I feel like this
team's about to go on a run, and man, I'm
all for it. Man, it's been a long time coming

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for me. And everybody else out there in Broncos.

Speaker 2 (10:07):
Country perfectly said my friend, I can't wait to talk
to you on Sunday. Oh, by the way, you guys
the show coming up on Friday, tell everybody about it.

Speaker 3 (10:15):
Yeah, man, I just stepped out of rehearsal to talk
to you guys. Buffalo Rose Friday night, we placed seven
to nine. It's a benefit for the Alzheimer's Association. All
the profits go to the Alzheimer's Association. In our own
Steve Atwater Hall of Famer super Bowl Champ is going
to be the VIP that night. He'll be out there
hanging out. And tickets are still available. Although all the

(10:39):
tables and reserve seats have been sold, they're selling general admission,
so you can walk up at the door and get
a general admission ticket. I look forward to seeing everybody
out there Friday nights.

Speaker 1 (10:51):
Hey, good luck to ASU this week. And my friend all.

Speaker 6 (10:54):
Right, yeah, man, BYU I tell you why, Yes you
beat By? That puts Cu in the driver's seat and
ASU right there next to him for the Big twelve Championship.

Speaker 1 (11:08):
That's exactly what we're just talking about.

Speaker 2 (11:10):
So appreciate you, man, Thank you for giving us a
few minutes out of your rehearsal time, and I can't
wait to talk to you on Sunday, my friend.

Speaker 1 (11:16):
Thank you.

Speaker 3 (11:17):
Shame here Ryan, We'll see.

Speaker 1 (11:19):
You Nick Sea all right the best. Rick lewis color
analyst for you dev Broncos.

Speaker 3 (11:24):
And I need to apologize once again to Javonte Williams.
Every time I write this guy off, he comes back
and has a big game. So this is the second
time he's done that.

Speaker 7 (11:35):
They run out left side, Javonte steps to a big goal.
Javonte runs over a defender inside the five. They pushed
the pile tot to the goal line. Touchdown, Denver. I
get by from a little help from my friends.

Speaker 2 (11:50):
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Speaker 1 (12:19):
All right, Nick, I know that this is something you did.

Speaker 2 (12:21):
Want to talk a little bit about the running backs,
and you know, we'll have a vote nex in the
next sevement because they had a really great point about
how they're on offense by committee right now. So generally speaking,
we'd love to have Derrick Henry. You'd love to have
a Sakwon Barkley, a Joe Mixon, right. I mean, I
think maybe that's a conversation for the off season, but
at least for right now. Is there some value to

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the fact that the Broncos are a bi committee offense
in a lot of ways?

Speaker 4 (12:46):
Well, yeah, there's some value to that because it shows
that you have a lot of guys that can contribute
in several different ways, and it's very important to have
complimentary pieces. And as it were, takes into the running backs.
You want to make sure that you have a stable
of guys. I do recall when I played here with

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the Broncos. You know, we had a stable of running backs,
and I did was that it didn't make a difference
who you put at running back. Someone was going over
a thousand yards, and I remember my time here, Clint
Porters went over a thousand yards twice, so much so
he went to the table once and he tried to
go back to the table again, and Mike said, hold on,

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little fellow. Hey, we're gonna ship you out of here
to Washington for champ Bailey.

Speaker 5 (13:33):
But I'll tell you this.

Speaker 4 (13:35):
While I like the fact of having multiple players that
you can distribute at any time, I'm not a huge
fan of the constant rotation.

Speaker 5 (13:44):
And the reason I say that is because, from in
my opinion, you're.

Speaker 4 (13:49):
Not allowing the running backs Ille Javonte Williams. I know
how much you like Javonte based on some of the
things that you said.

Speaker 2 (13:57):
Oh, what do you mean our sycastic? I like y Javonte.

Speaker 5 (14:01):
Oh, I'm sorry, I can plenty. Did I accuse you
of something?

Speaker 1 (14:04):
I mean there's a tone there? What was the tone?

Speaker 5 (14:07):
I don't know what tone that you're referring to.

Speaker 4 (14:09):
I mean, do you want to want to talk something?
I don't you want to frush something out?

Speaker 1 (14:12):
No, I want to understand what the tone was there?

Speaker 4 (14:14):
Well, okay, well, being transparent, I don't really feel as
though you, like many others, may.

Speaker 5 (14:21):
Be in this market outside the market.

Speaker 4 (14:24):
Really validate and appreciate Javonte Williams for who he is.
Even the great Rick Lewis even said that he was wrong.

Speaker 1 (14:33):
Well, he said that.

Speaker 2 (14:34):
I didn't say that because I haven't been wrong about
Javonte Williams when he.

Speaker 5 (14:37):
Was the starter.

Speaker 4 (14:37):
For Well, first of all, it's not as though it's
in your nature to admit when you are wrong.

Speaker 5 (14:42):
You said it earlier today, that's not something that you do.

Speaker 4 (14:45):
So I don't say continue, yes, but I don't like
the fact that they're not allowed to get into somewhat
of a group. And as I was looking at this,
I said, well, you know, I've never played running back,
so let me reach out to guys I in this
scheme and see what they thought. And talking to some
of those guys, they say the way that Mike would

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handle it, to say, Tatum Bell was in and he
was doing well, he's going to finish that possession the
next possession, Mike Anderson would get that possession if it
was a Clint Porters. Bobby Turner wanted him in every
single play because he knew what he was capable of.
So what I gathered from those guys when they sit back,
and they watched the Blancos game. They feel a little

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comfortable because they don't feel as though either back is
giving enough opportunity to establish a rhythm.

Speaker 2 (15:34):
Well, that actually we agree on and I actually have
been a big proponent of that. Most of the time
when I'm talking to the running backs, I'm asking them
that exact question, like, Hey, do you kind of wish
you were in a little bit more because you get
a chance to build a bit more rhythm. Especially early
on in the season, that was a big problem for
me because it seemed like, well, Javontu would would get
one run and then they pull him out and pull
Javon jalel in, and it was like.

Speaker 1 (15:55):
We're constantly rotating.

Speaker 2 (15:56):
And I know that was a big problem you and
been talked about on BCT as well. Well, let's come
back to this conversation, because I think there's a lot
more to us sort of stuss out with that again.
We're live here at King Supers Colorado and Yale. Come
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Kiawa Bowen deep drop in the pocket. Protection is great,
he gets a check down. This is estimate.

Speaker 7 (16:14):
Here comes a rookie running back jumps over the top
of a defender, gets up, signals first down. Here comes
Jaliel and Jaleel with a spurt of quickness. We'll get
a first down. Spot him at the twenty yard line.
That's a gain of ten. On third and eight at
Javonti with a catch, steps out of a tackle, runs
to another tackle. He's got a first down as he's
knocked down inside the Atlanta twenty yard line. Javonte Williams

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very difficult to get off his feet when he gets
a full head of steam.

Speaker 2 (16:43):
Talking about the running backs here a little bit as
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Speaker 1 (17:12):
So we're gonna hear from BONICKXS in just a second.

Speaker 2 (17:14):
Who was a AFC Offensive Player of the Week. But
some kind of fine and final thoughts here, Okay, if
it is up to you, Nick Ferguson, Yes, and you.

Speaker 1 (17:21):
Went through the litany of examples.

Speaker 2 (17:23):
When you are here at the Broncos and Mike Shanahan
and how just every single running back they plugged in
seemed to have success, and that you're absolutely right. We
have not seen that yet though from this team, that
every single running back that gets a chance to play.
There has been some moments where Javonte's had some nice
moments in the season. Audrica thought had a couple of
nice moments.

Speaker 1 (17:41):
Versus the Chiefs.

Speaker 2 (17:43):
Jalil hasn't really caught on, which is a little surprised
because he was kind of the guy that we talked
about all off season looking like the most explosive back.
But if it's up to Nick Ferguson, if say, Sean
Payton and the coaching staff are listening right now, and
you could tell them which running back you'd like to
see the most going for, who would it be, Well.

Speaker 4 (18:02):
Ryan, that's a load of question because that all depends
on how effective there are here. They're being in the
position they're being placed in because if you say, okay, well,
last game, Davante started off the game and he was
performing well. So this week will give Aardric Estime an
opportunity to start things up. If in the first drive

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he is not really finding his footing, on that next possession,
you give the ball to Javonte, then you ride with
the hot hand. And that's the way that I've learned
this thing from being around both Mike and Kyle. This
is why you need to have a bevy of running backs.
It's not like that when I was a kid and
Emma Smith was the bell cow back. That doesn't exist

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anymore in the league where you just all your offense
is based around one particular guy.

Speaker 5 (18:50):
And this is why I go back to it's.

Speaker 4 (18:52):
Great to have estimate Javonte Williams now Marvin Mihams being
put out there as a running back and Jealel mclough
to be able to toss different guys with different still
skill sets at opposing defensive units.

Speaker 5 (19:05):
But I still go back.

Speaker 4 (19:06):
To this, and this would be my message if in
your example, I was talking directly to the Broncos coaching staff,
Hey put one guy there and let's see how he's
doing on his particular drive. If he's doing well, you
go with him. And I like the idea when I
was here, Mike would give different possessions to different guys
to see, Okay, well what kind of plays we can
run with that guy. And when you look at this backfield,

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there's a multitude of guys who can tote the ruck,
and I believe that they would be successful no matter
who was to start a running back. But that goes
back to understanding who the back is and what plays
they actually I guess produce the most.

Speaker 5 (19:46):
But to me, that's that's kind of what I would
lean on.

Speaker 2 (19:48):
That's the most answer non answer I've ever received in
my entire life.

Speaker 5 (19:52):
No kause you can't runt hold on.

Speaker 4 (19:54):
You just can't say, Okay, well I'm gonna go with
this guy. Because, like you said, we've seen Davonte have
his mo We've seen object Estimate in spote duty going
back to the Kansas City game have his moment. So
we know all of these backs are here for a
particular reason. They have a unique skill set, so they're
not helping your team if they're on the sideline, so

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you have to at least put them in at some point.
But make sure when you think about the rotations, how
many plays are you giving each one of those backs
to establish some type.

Speaker 5 (20:24):
Of a rhythm.

Speaker 1 (20:24):
Why I don't think they have that plan.

Speaker 5 (20:26):
Well, then you need to change the plan. I mean,
come on now.

Speaker 4 (20:30):
And if you're saying that that is not the plan,
it's one of the reasons why people were saying, well,
Javonte doesn't have great vision, Well, he can't get in
the rhythm because he goes in for five plays.

Speaker 5 (20:41):
Then you take him out Kansas City game, one.

Speaker 1 (20:45):
Touch, one carn for one yard.

Speaker 5 (20:48):
How can you get in the rhythm with that?

Speaker 1 (20:49):
Well you can't, You simply can't.

Speaker 2 (20:52):
But then I guess your argument at that point is
the Broncos somehow just ignored the fact that they didn't
let their best running back touch the ball more.

Speaker 5 (21:00):
Well, I'm glad you said that. I'm glad you brought
that up.

Speaker 4 (21:03):
But I'm gonna give you someone else's words, not mine,
And I'm gonna talk about what Sean Payton said when
he was talking about Devon Bayley. Why isn't he flourishing
more in the offense? And he said, and I quote,
that's what that's on us. So if he's saying that
he recognized that is the case with Devon Bayley. Do
you not think that he may recognize it there as well?

Speaker 2 (21:24):
I mean, I think they recognize it. It's it's to
say they recognize it and to and then to see
the actions. That's that's the conversation. That's more about.

Speaker 5 (21:33):
Well, that's far beyond me. I can't do anything about that.

Speaker 2 (21:35):
Well, I didn't say you can, except for the fact
that you're speaking directly to the coaching staff.

Speaker 4 (21:39):
Well, for your example, for your big finely with that.
For your example, you have a.

Speaker 1 (21:47):
Direct voice to the coaching staff. We don't.

Speaker 2 (21:49):
And so that's why I'm asking if you would just
pass along whatever notes you can.

Speaker 5 (21:54):
You want me to doal someone on my phone right now,
I'm just saying I'm not gonna do that. I'm not
gonna do that.

Speaker 4 (22:00):
I'm going to trust them, the coaches, to do what
they do. We're gonna I'm gonna trust them to do
what they do. But if it's only my recommendation, based
on who I've been around and how many guys I've
seen have success, is to establish a rhythm, give them
ten to fifteenth place.

Speaker 5 (22:19):
Ay Ryan Edwards, you're gonna start the game right when
you go out there.

Speaker 4 (22:23):
Depending on what you do with your first fifteen carriage,
we're determined how many more carries you received after that.

Speaker 5 (22:28):
Now, if we.

Speaker 4 (22:29):
Move down the field on your possession, the next that
second possession, boom you in there. You're in there like swimwear.

Speaker 2 (22:35):
And if you get one and you get one and
if you get one carry, you threw me off.

Speaker 1 (22:39):
If you get one carry for one yard, you're out.

Speaker 5 (22:42):
No, that's that's a bad way to look at it.

Speaker 1 (22:44):
That's what happened.

Speaker 5 (22:45):
One carry for one yard.

Speaker 4 (22:47):
I haven't even broke a sweat yet, and then you
take me out. Now I'm on the sideline second guessing
my ability. And then when will you come back to
me after someone find.

Speaker 1 (22:56):
Was involved the next game.

Speaker 5 (22:57):
No, you can't do that.

Speaker 1 (23:01):
They will crush what they did.

Speaker 4 (23:03):
But here's what happened though, Yes, you're right, that's what
they did. But what did Javonte do? He didn't falter,
he didn't fall back. He was you know what when
when often pushed him into the end zone, what did
he do?

Speaker 5 (23:14):
What did he do? He demonstrated he was like, this.

Speaker 1 (23:16):
Is my house.

Speaker 5 (23:17):
I live in the end zone.

Speaker 1 (23:18):
I'm here I'm here.

Speaker 5 (23:20):
That's what he did.

Speaker 2 (23:21):
Take notice, here's bon Nicks talking about the offense being
by committee right now.

Speaker 8 (23:27):
Yeah, it's, uh, it's kind of by committee right now
at this point. It's, uh, you know, wherever the play
is designed for the ball to go to, that's kind
of the next guy up making a play. And that's
how we all feel where we have a you know,
very you know, selfless team, selfless offense.

Speaker 5 (23:43):
We don't really care where the ball goes.

Speaker 8 (23:45):
We just want to score touchdowns and find ways to
move the ball.

Speaker 1 (23:47):
So whenever you.

Speaker 8 (23:48):
Got guys on your team that are like that, not selfish,
and you know, they don't really care about you know,
personal you know, stats or whatnot. They just want to
worry about the team and team wins. That's that's when
you're you're doing the right thing.

Speaker 2 (24:00):
So one hand, and I I mean, that's a perfect
answer from Bo. But on the one hand, I'll say,
we will say, oh what, that sounds like a good idea,
right on, offense by committee.

Speaker 1 (24:09):
You keep opposing defenses, guessing who's going to have the
big day, right, I mean, that's not a bad thing.
But then I say, on the other hand, that's what.

Speaker 2 (24:15):
Teams that don't have elite talent often want to say
if you had, well, say even just the last team,
we face the Atlanta Falcons, Right, the Alant Falcons have
great players all over the place, right, I mean between
Kyle Pitts and Drake London and Darnell Moody, I mean,
that's a pretty decent receiving cores. You've got really talented
running backs in the backfield. So it's one thing to say, well,

(24:37):
we can be by committee because you don't.

Speaker 1 (24:38):
Really have alpha's that way.

Speaker 2 (24:42):
Simultaneously, yeah, maybe he makes a point at least for
this team.

Speaker 1 (24:45):
Right now, there's some value in that.

Speaker 4 (24:47):
Well, there is a value in there, but once again,
you have to capitalize and take advantage of value.

Speaker 5 (24:53):
If you look at the game Sunday.

Speaker 4 (24:54):
Against the Falcons, I mean there were seven explosive plays.
That's showing you that bo is having distribution. Obviously, you'll
go to guy, you're number one receivers, call a sudden,
So you want to make sure that he's featured in
this offense. And let's be totally honest, that hasn't really
been the case all season long, but it helps to
know that you can go to Veley you can go

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to other guys when you need to, because from a
defensive perspective, you want to make sure you go into
every game where the defensive coordinator is like, well, we
don't know who's gonna have the hot hand today, so
we're gonna have to try to defend everything.

Speaker 5 (25:28):
And I know this from a defender.

Speaker 4 (25:30):
You try to defend and stop everything, you're gonna end
up stopping nothing. So that is where the gift is
for the Broncos. But you're right, they don't have a
lot of those top tier players. And this is not
a slide on the players because no, no, this team
is very young. You're gonna have a lot of those
players who are gonna come into their own, but they
getting very valuable playing time at this moment.

Speaker 2 (25:52):
So we're on the same page about that because I
think people think that is a bit of a pejorative, right,
They think it's a negative thing about this receiving brow.
I think it's just young and you don't really know
what Troy Franklin Devon Bailey are going to be right.
I mean, we sit here and there's a projection they
haven't entered the league and taken.

Speaker 1 (26:09):
It by storm.

Speaker 2 (26:10):
Maybe like Brian Thomas as a rookie high so far
with Jacksonville or Times Marvin Harrison junior. Those guys were
highly touted guys and there was an expectation based on
where they were drafted that they would hit the ground running.

Speaker 1 (26:21):
Well.

Speaker 2 (26:21):
These guys didn't have that expectation placed on them because
they weren't first round picks.

Speaker 1 (26:26):
But that's a good thing in this case because.

Speaker 2 (26:27):
They're allowed to sort of develop and they're allowed to build,
especially in an offense that's still trying to find his footing.

Speaker 4 (26:32):
Well, even though a lot of these guys are not
first round picks, you have to believe that they made.

Speaker 5 (26:38):
The team for a particular reason.

Speaker 4 (26:40):
Someone saw something unique and in each individual player to say, well,
they're bringing something to the table. So I like to
look at it, say, Okay, if you identify as certain
players and they have a unique skill set, you deployed
that skill set.

Speaker 5 (26:53):
You squeeze all the limit into all the juices out.

Speaker 4 (26:56):
And we're starting to see that with Marvin Mims being
in ways that we hadn't seen before.

Speaker 5 (27:03):
And I guess we're all I know.

Speaker 4 (27:04):
I am like, oh, well, this, how let's see how
well this actually plays? Out, but I'm glad that he's
more involved because earlier on in the season he wasn't
involved at all.

Speaker 2 (27:13):
So speaking of Arvin mem Sean Payte was asked about
him like right off the beginning of the press conference,
because he's one of the stories, right and he has
to be one of the stories.

Speaker 1 (27:20):
And here's what he said.

Speaker 9 (27:22):
I told him, you're not you know, you're You're still
meeting with the receivers.

Speaker 1 (27:25):
He's just he's.

Speaker 9 (27:26):
Got some some elements, some natural running skills that you
see in the return game. And then look, there's some
challenges when he enters the game, for instance, with a
tight end and another tight end and two other receivers.

(27:46):
You might say, oh two, you know, three receivers, two
tight ends, and we might be or so that there's
some things that you got to make sure you know
what you're trying to do personnel wise, so you're not surprised.
But I think naturally there's some things he does running
with the football, and then obviously as a receiver, it's

(28:09):
just trying to find trying to find ways to highlight
the things that he does well.

Speaker 2 (28:16):
I thought it was funny the way that Sean Payton
talked about it there for a moment ago. You were
talking about he's got a lot of natural running ability,
and I was like, oh ya, so is Debo Samuel.
Once again, somebody actually texted is like Ryan trying to
get Marvin Mimms broken in half.

Speaker 1 (28:29):
That is not what I'm naming for.

Speaker 2 (28:32):
I just like the fact that you can add that
wrinkle to the offense.

Speaker 1 (28:36):
And hey, listen, one.

Speaker 2 (28:37):
Thing I also really loving is it's not just Martin
Mims running across the formation over and over and over
again and maybe once in a while getting the jet
sweeper once in a while getting the end a round.

Speaker 1 (28:47):
It's not just that. And for me, I'm just excited
about that development.

Speaker 4 (28:51):
I'm excited about that development, but it's not something that
you can go to all the time because once again,
Marvin Mims wants to play and however he can get
on the field, he's gonna do whatever he's asked to do.
But he's not built like a Deebo Samuel, and listening
to what coach just said, he was just like, well,

(29:12):
when you look at Marvin's ability to do the things
that he's done with the ball in his hands, from
a special teams standpoint, I understand it. So now you're
trying to put him in space and you trying to
create favorable numbers from an offensive standpoint, where you give
it to Marvin just like a part return. Now he's
able to see where the defenders are. Now he can

(29:33):
make a move using his vision. But I still go
back to this and I say, well, why was it
that Marvin Mims was selected by this team? That was
one of the reasons, But one of the other reason,
more important reasons, was his ability to get vertical with
his speed.

Speaker 5 (29:50):
So for me, multiple plays with him.

Speaker 4 (29:53):
Behind the line of scrimmage, I'm thinking as a demon.
As a coordinator, I'm okay with that because now all
I need to do is make sure that my guys
can run, they can see, and they fit it up
really well. But if Marvin is going vertical, now you
can get that isolation one on one.

Speaker 5 (30:08):
And there were some times this season.

Speaker 4 (30:10):
Where Marvin was able to get behind the defense, but
both both he and bo were not able to connect quick.

Speaker 2 (30:16):
Text here on the ka common spur health text line
five six six nine zero. I don't understand what Nick
has against Audric estime, both backs are dealing with the
same conditions of inconsistency of personnel, the same offensive line,
the same quarterback handing in the ball. Estimate has looked
better with finding the creases than Javonte, who finds less consistently.

Speaker 4 (30:36):
Well, I don't know who that Texter is, but that
tells me right away that they're not really listening to
what I'm saying. They're not picking up on what I'm
putting down. I didn't put down Audric estimated. What I
said was based on the premise of the teams I
played on.

Speaker 5 (30:49):
On the Chenahan, we had a bevy of running backs.

Speaker 4 (30:52):
The idea is to give those backs enough carries to
establish a rhythm.

Speaker 2 (30:58):
Texter just text, Yeah, Well, listen, man, I don't think
you were being overtly negative about andre estimate. I think
that there's a maybe a bit of a preference for
a guy, right, No.

Speaker 5 (31:12):
No, Ryan is not a thing of a preference.

Speaker 2 (31:16):
Now, I think you're not answering the question. Well, I
literally asked you specifically who you wanted in there.

Speaker 4 (31:21):
Well, once again, like I told you, it all depends
on how that guy is running with the carries that
he's receiving. If a guy's not doing great and you
give him gave him eight carries, then you may have
to make a switch. I think that that's a logical way.
But what you're trying to do, you're trying to pin
me down. That's right where you can say, well you
wanted this guy if you not wanted that guy, just

(31:42):
like the text was just like, well Nick chose estimate.

Speaker 5 (31:44):
That's not what the hell I said.

Speaker 4 (31:47):
This is a class and can you listen and clean
the wax out of your ears?

Speaker 1 (31:51):
Just just answer the question.

Speaker 5 (31:53):
That's it, it all, it all.

Speaker 1 (31:56):
You know what? How about this week?

Speaker 5 (31:57):
No no, no noes?

Speaker 1 (31:58):
This week?

Speaker 5 (31:59):
This week?

Speaker 1 (32:00):
Who do you want to see this week?

Speaker 4 (32:02):
I would like to see the running as far as
the order javonte, Who gets.

Speaker 1 (32:07):
All touches, who gets the most pick?

Speaker 4 (32:10):
That all depends on how what you're doing with it
with the carriers you have.

Speaker 5 (32:13):
You just can't go if you go.

Speaker 4 (32:14):
Into a game and just say well I'm going to
give one guy thirty five carries and I'm going to
give the other guy one carry.

Speaker 5 (32:20):
What are you.

Speaker 4 (32:21):
Actually doing to your your your offense and your running game.
You're giving the defense the upper hand. The idea is
that you go with the hot hand. Whomever you put
in whether if you start the game with Julim McLoughlin,
Well you say, well, we're gonna dedicate ten carries to
him right off the bat, and we're gonna judge him
and that possession how well he's doing.

Speaker 5 (32:41):
If he's doing well, you stick with it. If he's not,
you go to the next guy.

Speaker 1 (32:47):
That's exactly what.

Speaker 2 (32:48):
It is, Thank you, Dame Totter totter, And on the
text slide, sounds like Nick wants to have his cake
and eat it too, and again that has to be
a certain kind of cake or he'll return it.

Speaker 1 (32:58):
Just understand, I'm feeling the gap for you.

Speaker 5 (33:00):
Yes, yes, keep.

Speaker 2 (33:02):
In mind, keep in mind regardless of what anybody else
thinks about the cake, because it is it is nicked
world and it's ultimately his.

Speaker 5 (33:09):
You know what, we can look at running backs just
like cake. If you don't return, I return you. How
about that?

Speaker 4 (33:16):
Yes, if you if you don't give me production and
form of yards per carry or taste, I'm going to
return you to the sideline.

Speaker 5 (33:24):
How about that? How about that?

Speaker 4 (33:26):
For a definitive answer, I mean, yeah, you're speachless now, yeah,
you're speakingless on.

Speaker 2 (33:34):
Well, you just think you made a great point, and
I don't know if you really did love, but I
love how animated you are about it. So nothing else
you made a You made a very animated point that
I enjoyed you.

Speaker 5 (33:46):
I'm glad you enjoyed it, because so.

Speaker 1 (33:47):
Did I having a good time with that.

Speaker 4 (33:49):
I'm having a good time. So so so let me
return the flow to you. What would you do same scenario?
Who's how are you handling the running back situation?

Speaker 2 (34:00):
I'd say if you want to continue with the running
back by committee and or just working with the hot hand,
Javonte's got to be the guy this week, and it
is going to be case by case by week. But
the thing is is going into this week, Javonte was
the better running.

Speaker 1 (34:13):
Back this last week.

Speaker 2 (34:15):
He's proven to be consistent enough, especially in past pro,
that I always want to have him part of it
no matter what. And by the fact is he should
play a lot of snaps against Kan State Chiefs in
pass pro. He was back there, he just wasn't touching
the ball.

Speaker 1 (34:27):
They trust him back there, so I trust him back there.

Speaker 2 (34:29):
So that's an actual answer to the question versus whatever
the hell that was that you just did?

Speaker 4 (34:34):
What Meg, you don't have to accept my answer. I'm
fine with that because I know, just like some of
the Texters, not everyone listens to everything that is said.
I get it selective hearing. I believe that's what they
call it.

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